New Lexus LFA is Disappointing. Ferrari Says No Manuals! Worst New Car on the Market?

Summary

THIS CAR POD! with Doug DeMuro & Friends

Episode: “New Lexus LFA is Disappointing. Ferrari Says No Manuals! Worst New Car on the Market?”
Date: December 12, 2025
Host: Doug DeMuro | Guests: Gary, Filippo, Kenan

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Main Theme / Purpose

This episode dives into major recent automotive news, focusing on Toyota & Lexus's next big sports cars (including the new "LFA" and the eagerly anticipated GR GT), shifting industry attitudes toward performance and manual transmissions (with Ferrari dropping the manual), Lotus’s SUV missteps, quirky import news, and in-depth car market musings. There’s also the classic THIS CAR POD blend of sharp skepticism, humorous sidebars, and audience Q&A.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

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1. Toyota/Lexus GR GT and "New LFA" – Excitement or Disappointment?

• Specs & Comparisons
  • The GR GT is speculated to have a 4.0L twin-turbo V8, "hot V" engine configuration, ~640 hp (01:18).
  • Expected pricing is “in the six figures,” possibly even $300,000 for the Toyota, with the Lexus version (projected to be EV-only) aimed at $350k or under (01:38, 04:59).
  • Compared to Mercedes-AMG GT, Aston Martin Vantage S, GTR, etc.
• Styling Feedback
  • Hosts are underwhelmed by the design, expecting "smoother" lines like the LC or Supra, but instead finding it boxy and angular (02:03–02:55).
  • Quote: “I was astonished when this was revealed. It looks purposeful, but I thought it would be a smoother design ... Supra has like a very smooth design language.” — Gary (02:03)
• Performance Commitment
  • Despite aesthetics, they're impressed Toyota is building real rear-drive, V8-powered sports cars, aligning it as Toyota's "Ford GT"—a mainstream brand with a supercar (03:16, 05:41).
  • Racing plans noted—there will be a GT3 customer racing variant (03:05).
• Market Doubts (Lexus EV variant)
  • “If they're going to do an EV Lexus one, there will be no interest in it. It will not sell and no one will care about it." — Doug (05:05)
• On Toyota's shift:
  • Hosts celebrate Toyota’s ability to make fun cars as a reward for “eating their vegetables” (08:50).
    • Quote: “They did their homework, they ate their vegetables and now they can have fun.” — Kenan (08:50)

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2. Toyota MR2 Revival – Could This Be the BEST New Sports Car?

• Trademark filings for "GR MR2" suggest a new mid-engine, 400hp turbo-four Toyota, possibly with a manual (06:23–07:11).
• Hopes the car fills a niche vacated by Lotus, Alfa 4C, Porsche Boxster, offering a true enthusiast alternative (06:58, 07:50).
• Emphasis on Toyota's commitment: all current sports models (Supra, GR86, GR Corolla) have manuals (08:02).
• Discussion whether they’d “buy anything else” if this hits the spec (06:58).
  • Quote: “Why do you buy a Lotus? Like you start to wonder why do you buy anything else? Yeah, that's very appealing if they do that.” — Kenan (06:58)

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3. Ferrari, Hamilton, and the “F44” Future Flop

• Ferrari has reportedly canceled/shelved the F44 (an homage to the F40) project with Lewis Hamilton due to a disappointing season and frosty relations (09:45–10:29).
• Hamilton’s lackluster season and mood at Ferrari cast doubt on future projects, even as the F1 rule changes approach (10:29–11:15).
• No Ferrari manual transmissions on horizon.
• Entertaining banter about the drivers’ ages and Lewis’s future at Ferrari (12:51–13:37).
  • Quote: “Nobody in the future of the entirety of Formula 1 who was alive while the Infiniti J30 was in production, will ever win championship ever again. Mark my words.” — Doug (13:42)

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4. Weird & Notable Import News

Fiat Topolino (17:00)

• Announced for US market, after political interest in cute kei cars (16:30–16:41).
• It's a tiny, low-range city EV (8 hp/47 miles WLTP), more a “neighborhood EV” than an actual car (17:43).
• Amusing speculation about regulation hurdles and the US safety/environment context—hosts semi-seriously call for deregulating imports (18:09–18:33).

INEOS Grenadier Game Viewer (19:06)

• Safari vehicle (long-wheelbase Grenadier) to be built in Botswana for VIP African safari fleets (19:09–20:08).
• The group argues Toyota 70-series remains king of the bush, with Ineos serving a niche luxury crowd only (20:22–20:36).

Lotus Eletre: $250,000 SUV Disaster? (22:34)

• Lotus’s electric SUV, made in China, now crosses $240k thanks to tariffs.
• Expecting plug-in-hybrid versions with up to 940hp.
• Market response is tepid: “Is this the least desirable $243,000 car?” — Doug (23:23)
• Quote: “Lotus took a risk and it really failed.” — Filippo (25:01)
• General sense Lotus’s move away from lightweight heritage to luxury EV SUVs is off-brand and will flop in the US due to tariff and lack of prestige (24:29).

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5. Design House Drama: Italdesign Sold to AI Company

• Audi/Lamborghini offloaded Italdesign to "UST", an Orange County-based AI conglomerate (26:33–28:22).
• Hosts lament one of history’s great design houses (original Golf, BMW M1, Lotus Esprit, DeLorean, etc.) being reduced to “AI errors.”
• Quote: “Italdesign: The history, the grand history ... They're now an AI company in Aliso Viejo.” — Doug (28:29)

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6. Car Market Report: Sales, Trends & Oddities

Hagerty “Bull Market” List Reflections (28:51)

• Discussing Hagerty’s annual list—a “Grammy for best new artist” where predictions don’t always pan out.
  • Carrera GT predicted to rise ("the greatest car ever made"), but hosts joke about spurious F1 engine claims (30:48).
• Debates over what makes a good value/classic.

Supra, Cybertruck, R35 GT-R

• Supra Mk4 fixed-roof, one-owner: Market still strong, comparison with NSX and other JDM legends, ironic post-Fast & Furious values (52:07–53:39).
• Cybertruck market slide: $61k (and sinking), predicted to hit $35k in 18 months: “This is the Hummer H2 of the modern era.” — Doug (55:02).
• R35 GT-R: Enduring desirability, holds value, culture/robustness, production stats (55:52–58:52).

Mega Cruiser, GTC4Lusso, Manual Cayenne

• Mega Cruiser: $115k for a rare civilian; market softer for high-roof/military variants. Cars & Bids “Mega Cruiser HQ”. (61:23–63:16)
• Ferrari GTC4Lusso: V12 model sells for $246k—outperforms similar cars on rival sites (63:24).
• Manual Cayenne: Wild over-market values, $125k green 6-speed followed by $70k result. Porsche anomaly now a Cars & Bids specialty (65:47–67:58).

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7. Ownership Stories and Car Updates

• Doug’s Countach: Recent breakdown; new clutch master fixed after a 150k (2025 money) service was found not to have replaced the part (34:35–35:32).
  • Quote: "It was 25 years ago. It was either original or even older." — Doug (35:18)
• 993 running issues: “3,000 miles in 60 days” led to some mechanical gremlins, but nothing major (36:52–37:13).
• Filippo’s stealth car acquisition: Hints at a high-likelihood purchase, plus inheriting a late 1970s F250 pickup—debates about how to tow/restore/smog it in California (39:43–43:53).
• Anecdotes: Towing tales, desert adventures, tales of laundry batteries, quirky car care methods.

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8. Listener Questions

Notable Moments

• Concept car auctions: Listener claims to have bought a Renault concept at the recent factory auction—discuss wild results, question authenticity, “Why do we not live in France?” jokes (69:20–71:19).
• RS6 V10 vs M5 V10: Why does the BMW get more love? The team argues it’s due to US availability, the allure of the manual, and how quirks—like gear selectors—impact perception (72:31–75:36).
• Doug Sember Video Backlog: Discussion of how long Doug has sat on videos for maximum December ad revenue, with jokes about the never-released Saturn SL footage (75:55–78:46).
• Forever Cars: Doug: “None of my cars are forever cars. They will all someday be sold... There is no such thing in my life as a forever car.” (79:49)
• G-Wagen Cabriolet Regrets: Doug bails on the new G-Cabrio idea: “I just know the level of real housewife that's going to own the convertible G wagon and I just cannot participate. I'm out.” (82:24)
• Motorcycles: Most hosts say they appreciate bikes but won’t touch them, mainly for safety/family reasons (83:03–84:45).
• Enthusiast Wagons: Listener asks about Aston Vanquish Zagato Shooting Brake. Doug says at $400k he won’t, but would jump in if it hits ~$225k, calls it one of the few automatics he’d ever consider as a 'fun' car (87:20).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On the new Lexus LFA:
  “If they're going to do an EV Lexus one, there will be no interest in it. It will not sell and no one will care about it.” — Doug (05:05)
• On Toyota’s resurgence:
  “They did their homework, they ate their vegetables and now they can have fun.” — Kenan (08:50)
• Cybertruck’s fate:
  “This is the Hummer H2 of the modern era.” — Doug (55:02)
• On forever cars:
  “None of my cars are forever cars. They will all someday be sold.” — Doug (79:49)
• On manual Cayenne madness:
  “In either scenario, this is a $25,000 car, but Porsche people are Porsche people, and they'll pay up.” — Doug (65:47)
• On letting go:
  “It simply loses the main thing that attracted me to it, which is the enjoyment factor.” — Doug, on possibly selling the Carrera GT someday (81:12)
• Design house melancholy:
  “Italdesign: The history, the grand history ... They're now an AI company in Aliso Viejo.” — Doug (28:29)
• Playful complaint:
  "I want to be clear, Filippo. We know stand. It's not for you." — Doug (36:26)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Toyota GR GT, specs & reactions: 01:04–03:41
• Lexus LFA EV & market prospects: 04:59–05:31
• Toyota MR2/GR speculation: 06:23–08:22
• Ferrari, Hamilton & F44 rumor: 09:45–12:11
• Lotus Eletre, market critique: 22:34–25:01
• Italdesign AI sale: 26:33–28:32
• Hagerty “Bull Market” list: 28:51–30:52
• Manual Cayenne price insanity: 65:47–67:58
• Listener owns Renault concept: 69:20–71:19
• RS6 V10 vs E60 M5 debate: 72:31–75:36
• Doug on ‘forever cars’ myth: 79:49–81:12
• G-Wagen Cabrio decision: 82:24
• Motorcycles and risk: 83:03–84:45
• Aston Martin Zagato Q: 86:29–88:05

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Summary Flow & Tone

The episode features the trademark sharp, playful banter between hosts, ranging from giddy enthusiasm (Toyota’s new sports cars) to biting skepticism (the fate of Lotus, Italdesign, and certain luxury SUVs), to self-aware collector confessions. It closes with a blend of heartfelt audience engagement, practical advice (and roastings), and plenty of winking car-nerd in-jokes. Fans of both automotive market oddities and “deep cut” car culture will be delighted.

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For those short on time:
If you want the core takes:

• Toyota is surprisingly carrying the fun/sports car torch as others give up.
• Supercar and luxury SUV markets are full of overreaches and downward spirals—Lotus, Lexus, Cadillac.
• Enthusiast cars with a quirk or rarity (manual Cayenne, Mega Cruiser, rare Ferraris) keep smashing expectations, especially on Cars & Bids.
• The allure of the “forever car” is romantic, but for these hosts, every car is for sale... given the right number.

And if you have a rare manual Cayenne or Mega Cruiser for sale—Doug & friends would really like to auction it!

Transcript

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[B]

Hello and welcome to this car pod. I'm Gary.

[A]

I'm Filippo.

[B]

And there's a lot to cover, starting with the biggest news story of the week. The GR GT, which has some sort of turbo hybrid. Yep.

[C]

Four liter, twin turbocharged V8.

[B]

It's a hot V. Do you know what that is?

[C]

Oh, I know what a hot V is.

[B]

It means the turbocharger is like inside of the engine or something.

[C]

It's not Felipe wearing a V neck, right? No. Okay.

[B]

640 horsepower, obviously. Tip only. Sadly, no one's talking price yet, including Lexus. Toyota. They won't tell us what it cost.

[A]

They said it would be over in the six figures is what they've hinted at.

[C]

We've seen speculation in the 200 range.

[B]

We know that. But I was thinking that this car would compete in terms of the Halo car against the AMG GT because it.

[A]

Looks like it has the same engine as it.

[B]

But from what I'm understanding, people are talking 300,000, which is a lot of money.

[A]

There's also the Lexus version, which is EV only. Right.

[B]

Is that true?

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Can we discuss the fact that this is not the most attractive of automobiles? I was astonished when this was revealed. It looks purposeful, but I thought it would be a smoother design. Like just sort of like a swoopy smooth. Like the LC is really cool. The Supra has like a very smooth design language.

[C]

I know, but think about it, really. I mean, like the lfa, the last supercar they did. Not exactly what you call smooth, but it. And these days, angular and aggressive is like the thing that people, every manufacturer does.

[B]

It's just not. I was just thinking it was going to be like a, like a teardroppy smooth kind of situation.

[C]

You're hoping for like an RX7.

[B]

But like that's what the Supra looks like. Like if you see a Supra, that is that car does not have a lot of ugly angles. And I'm honestly surprised. Now a lot of people insult a lot of new cars when they first see them.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

And that could be what's going on here. But I am a little bit surprised. I will. I'm very impressed with the powertrain, the whole situation. We're going to do a V8. That's awesome. So many people are getting away from.

[C]

That stuff and I'm glad they're going to do a GT3 version of it and take it racing as well. I think that's really important for their brand and it'll be cool.

[A]

And it's cool that the road going version is not just a homologation car. It's like a standalone road car based.

[B]

On it also is rear wheel drive and I think that that's important to mention too. You know it's funny because Toyota doesn't get a lot of credit for being like the performance brand, but they got supra, they got GR86 and here they come with a twin turbo V8 with rear wheel drive. How many people are still doing this?

[C]

I agree. Not only that though, like with the competition thing, they're also sponsoring Haas in Formula one, like a lot of manufacturers are. So like they're taking performance very seriously.

[B]

We have, and to prove that we have right here in the office the new RAV4GR Sport. Which folks, I gotta tell you, this car, it handles, it's got a wing, it's got. Can you tell me, can you, can you, can you tell me what do you think the GR upgrade, the non cosmetic GR upgrades are to this GR.

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Tune suspension, GR2 and suspension.

[B]

Can you name any others?

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It's a more powerful.

[B]

No, same power.

[A]

All right, I don't think I got.

[B]

Nothing then there are no more. It is just the suspension. But GR is generally serious with some exceptions such as this RAV4 which by the way has a $53,000 sticker.

[A]

I go back to the price of this. So it apparently will have about 641 horsepower. 3,800 pounds. Yep. They, at the press launch they asked the project manager asked people to kind of like think about other cars in that same like price point. PowerPoint. The AMG GT Pro is $200,000 and has 603 horsepower, weighs a little bit more. The vantage S has 671 horsepower, weighs the same as 235 base price.

[B]

Right.

[A]

It'll be in that category, do you think, which is high for Toyota?

[B]

200,000. I think it could sell. GTRs were in that range at the end and they weren't selling. But it was also a 15 year old car and it's still a desirable car as we'll talk about later in this podcast. But 300 it become. I don't know. It'll be interesting.

[A]

The goal apparently for the LFA or whatever they're calling the Lexus one, which is EV, is 350 or under.

[B]

I'll be honest, if they're going to do an EV Lexus one, there will be no interest in it. It will not sell and no one.

[A]

Will care about it.

[B]

The only one that people will care about is keep in mind, it's funny that they're even talking about that considering that they just canceled the hybrid version of the LC because no one was buying it in this segment. People want one thing, a big old engine and some big old power.

[A]

Yep.

[C]

But I think the LFA concept is just that, a concept. So I suspect they could change it to a hybrid drivetrain or whatever.

[A]

Or maybe they want to kind of push electrification. They want to have a halo car for that even before they have mainstream models.

[C]

I bet the market doesn't.

[A]

They might not care.

[B]

Very interested in this, obviously as a Ford GT owner.

[A]

Oh, nice.

[B]

Well, don't you think that this is sort of the Ford GT of Toyota's current lineup?

[A]

Let me think about that.

[B]

It's going to raise its position in the same place. Why not? Same horsepower. It's a similar idea. It's a mainstream brand that sells Camrys like Ford was selling Taurus back to.

[A]

The built in Camry.

[B]

You get my point? My car was built in the U.S.

[A]

Yeah, but that's not the case.

[C]

Is Steve Saline going to help build these cars?

[B]

I do always think it's cool when a mainstream brand because they don't have to do this.

[A]

Right.

[B]

They sell in RAV4 woodlands by the truckload that they are, they don't have to do this. This is cool. This will be cool. I'm excited to see it. And on that subject, the other big Toyota news this week is the Mr. 2, which is apparently imminent.

[A]

Yeah, they've redone the patents or trademarks or whatever for the name Mr.2. It'll be a GR Mr.2, apparently.

[B]

So in other words, and not a Toyota GR Mr.2 like the GR Corolla, et cetera. There is talk that it may possibly actually be sold under the GR brand. As like a new brand. As like the first car for this new brand. I will say the speculation is that this car will use a turbo four, two liter turbo four cylinder with 400 horsepower, mid mounted. If that's true and if it has three pedals, which is possible because they're not talking ev, you start to wonder.

[C]

Why do you buy a Lotus? Like you start to wonder why do you buy anything else? Yeah, that's very appealing if they do that.

[B]

It also looks cool. It doesn't look that cool, but it looks pretty cool.

[C]

You know, I don't know. In reference to these other like AI generated, it looks pretty cool.

[B]

This is, this is if this is real. 400 horse mid engine. Let's talk manual. No one's saying it, but let's talk. They're doing the grgt. Toyota is like in our hearts and minds. They got the whole line of TRD pros, including the vaunted and famed Sequoia. Like this is real stuff. This is really cool. Don't you like this?

[C]

I do like this. I could do without the one square. They didn't paint on the wheel that just other than that, I think it is really cool. It looks like a 4C in a lot of ways. I don't know.

[B]

But good.

[C]

But good. And a 296 and a little bit in there.

[A]

Yeah. Okay.

[B]

There's tremendous. There's a little Lotus in the front end.

[C]

This looks cool.

[B]

This thing is cool. If this came out truly with a 400 horse mid engine and a manual and a manual and a manual, which I think Toyota has learned because their other two sports cars, the Supra and the GR86, both have manuals.

[A]

And the JR Corolla came out as manual only. Manual only, manual only.

[B]

Now the GR Sport RAV4, they are not doing a three pedal version. Oh, they've decided. Unless the market really demands it.

[A]

What would be the market share for that? 0.00001. I don't know.

[C]

Someone would buy and then it'd be like the V6 clients on the site. 70, 80 grand, 20, 30 years.

[B]

It'll be an $85,000 car. Of course, developing a manual for nine people would probably be an $85,000 car. New. Anyway, I'm super pumped for what's coming out of Toyota right now. In an era where a lot of automakers are giving up on any sort of fun cars, especially cars with gas, power, ice engines, this thing is these two cars are like, whoa, wait a minute. Toyota. And part of the reason they're able to do this is because they sell so many hybrids and all these things. They can actually, cars like, they were.

[C]

Successful, they did their homework, they ate their vegetables and now they can have fun.

[B]

That's, that's exactly what it is. They're like the person who saved all this money and put it in index funds and return at 55. Meanwhile, Chrysler is out here running around with no idea. Not paying the Canadian government.

[A]

No, not paying the Canadian.

[C]

They're eating burgers, building vipers in the 90s and now they're screwed.

[B]

That's exactly right.

[A]

So true. They were screwed then too though. It makes you feel better.

[B]

Yeah, that's true. Chrysler has been a difficult story. If this thing comes out though, I am, I'm excited about the GR gt. Obviously it's going to be super cool, whatever, but that's going to be an unattainable, expensive. This is really cool. A mid engine car. Even if it's going to be 60, which I bet it will be.

[A]

I bet it will be.

[B]

Yep, that's pretty cool. Think about what's competing at 400 horsepower. You're talking about Boxster, you're talking about Lotus, the Prelude. At that price point. Yep, Yep, prelude with two options. You're at 60. All right, what's our next news story?

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Nothing to do.

[C]

So at the beginning of the year we talked about Lewis Hamilton going to Ferrari in this very famous picture of him now in front of the F40. And everybody's very excited. Well, we were also excited because Ferrari said they were potentially considering doing the idea of a supercar with him. The F44 was, you know, kind of the idea was going to be kind of an homage to the F40, not the thing that came out earlier. This year is going to be different. Well, Lewis hasn't had the best season in Formula one. It's actually the worst season of his career. And Ferrari there's been, if you've listened to any interviews with him, he is not hot about the team, the brand, anything. It's all gone quite poorly. And as a result Ferrari has reportedly shelved, canceled or at least shelved the F44 project. So they're not thrilled either, it seems.

[B]

How long is Hamilton going to stick around at Ferrari?

[C]

I don't know. There was something in Sebastian Vettel. This or it was Nico Rosberg said that he should not leave Ferrari yet, he should stick around for a little bit.

[B]

Well, maybe there's car trouble. You know, at the start of this year I predicted this would happen and you said no way.

[A]

It's Hamilton.

[B]

He's going to be great. He's too old. He's not going to succeed. Ferrari didn't wind down the tape. Someone. Someone hit us. Good comment.

[C]

You also notice that I said this year is not relevant. It will be next year that matters, which is what every Ferrari fan has said for the past 19 years now.

[B]

Dude, let's go on next year then. He's only getting older.

[C]

Next year's a big year. The entire formula changes. The cars are completely different. Drs goes. Goes away.

[B]

But the most important thing. Yeah, no more Drs, dude. The most important thing.

[C]

That's a huge deal in Formula one.

[B]

Cadillac is running, and they will win. America. America. Think about everything. This country's given you. That sweater. You couldn't wear that in Italy. It'd be taken seriously.

[A]

Yeah, it's true. Not south. The good news for Lewis is that he made $60 million this year, and so he's okay.

[B]

Is that true?

[C]

Something like that. They pay him a lot.

[B]

He paid 60 mil to lose and not get enough.

[C]

No, he won the only thing Ferrari won all year, which was a sprint race, which doesn't count for anything, but there are some points. But it was. I mean, man, Ferrari had another abysmal year, and he seems depressed. And it looked like it was taking.

[A]

A picture in the rain.

[C]

I mean, no, that's a. Well, the picture is badass.

[B]

Northern Italy.

[C]

Well, yeah.

[A]

Yeah. Plus, they took away his house.

[B]

They took away his house.

[C]

Oh, that's right. That's right. Our producer insists that Ferrari gave Lewis Hamilton Enzo's house.

[B]

They probably didn't take it away, but I bet you he ain't using.

[A]

Nope.

[B]

I bet you he ain't calling anybody, like, hey, come to stay in Enzo's house this week? I bet. I bet there's not a lot of that going.

[C]

Showed up in the rain after race, and they changed the locks.

[B]

So what happens next year in the Formula one? When does it start?

[C]

So it starts. First race is the first weekend of March.

[B]

March. It's coming around the corner.

[C]

The formula changes periodically, but this one is pretty big. The goal was they wanted to make the car, the racing, a lot tighter. So a lot of aerodynamic changes. Like I said, the drag reduction system. Drs goes away. So we seem to bite on that.

[B]

What a country with a poor human rights record is the first race.

[C]

Hmm.

[A]

I don't know.

[C]

Somewhere in the Middle East, Flippa's like, we got in the Middle East.

[B]

We gotta cut that.

[A]

Nope.

[B]

No.

[A]

I feel no such Need.

[C]

We're not going back to Russia. Filippo can't say anything bad about Russians.

[B]

Okay, so in March it starts. And that's when you believe this year, Lewis Hamilton turning 50 this year. This will be his year.

[C]

He's not turning 50 this year.

[B]

Okay, but how old is he? He is 40. Yeah, he'll be turning 41 before the start of the season here. Dude, I gotta be honest with you. The best drivers, like that fellow who has all the career GT and Monaco, what's his name? The one who's F40 got crashed by somebody.

[C]

Oh, Atlanta Norris, the current Formula one world champ.

[B]

Okay. He won. Congratulations. You know why he won? Because he's 12 years old. I'm not screwing with. He's 12 years old.

[C]

He is approximately 12 years old. Yeah, 26.

[B]

That's the same thing. That's the same thing.

[C]

We'll see. I, I would, I think dude was born in 99. I, I want to see Lewis Hamilton win eight championships. And it would be great to see him win with Ferrari. But admittedly, even as a die hard Ferrari fan, I just don't know how many more years I can take them losing. This is 18 seasons consecutively. They have switch to the team that.

[B]

Lando Norris is on because he seems to win a lot.

[C]

McLaren. Well, we'll see you later.

[B]

I'm going to tell you this, and I'm serious about this. Nobody in the future of the entirety of Formula 1 who was alive while the Infiniti J30 was in production, will ever win championship ever again. Mark my words. It'll never occur. Pull up a J30 if you want. No, nobody in the history.

[A]

I think we probably have auctioned at least one.

[C]

Let's see, have we.

[A]

There you go.

[B]

This car, if you were alive at the time of this car, you will not ever win a Formula One championship. Sorry, sorry.

[C]

Everybody born in 1995 or through 97.

[B]

That'S when it ended.

[A]

We agree with that. I will say F50 production year. Kenan, do you think that if he wins next year and he's still with Ferrari, they will build the F44?

[C]

I think if he. Yeah, if he's able to win a championship, absolutely. But that said also, Michael Schumacher won a lot of championships with Ferrari. There's no Michael Schumacher edition anything. Meanwhile, Fernando Alonso got the BS599 Schumacher Edition.

[B]

The whole company was a Schumacher edition for like 15 years.

[C]

Well, that's kind of, that's. I know what you're saying.

[B]

Wait, you know why he won't win though? He was born. He was alive during the day. Give us our next news story.

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[A]

All right, this is the file Topolino. It's a little mouse. That's what it's literally called.

[B]

Really? That's what it means.

[A]

Yeah. It is coming to the US So a couple weeks ago Donald Trump, the President went to Japan or somewhere was talking about Kei cars. It was a weird phrase.

[C]

Thank you for clarifying.

[A]

I thought I should know what he he that basically that that the JDMK cars were cute and smart and so fiat and you know FCA generally wanting to be on on the President's good side is bringing the Topolino to the.

[B]

U.S. so the Topolino is theoretically coming to the U.S. is it going to be coming with a rope that people out of club?

[A]

We don't know. We really don't know, but I can. The one that's sold in the, in the EU is an 8 horsepower, 5.5 kilowatt hour battery. Has zero range. It's 44 inches shorter. 43 inches shorter. Excuse me, than a 500E.

[B]

You know, I was looking.

[A]

That's cool. It's awesome.

[B]

I was looking at pictures. One of the press photos shows a plug. And you know what the plug is? It's a household.

[A]

Yeah. Because it's a small battery. It's like your phone.

[C]

It's European household.

[B]

Well, yeah, but it's 110.

[C]

Is that.

[B]

Presumably that's what it is in Europe really. It's a house. Dead serious. If you look up press photos of the plug, it comes out of like there ish. And it's just a household plug. I mean think about it. It.

[A]

It's a really small battery. Truly.

[B]

It's a tiny range.

[A]

47 miles in Europe, which means 30 in the U.S. yeah.

[B]

Because European miles are different than us.

[A]

The WLTP cycle that they use is much more generous than they do.

[C]

It's more compact.

[B]

So they decided the miles, 4,100ft. They're like, you know, we don't need Americans everything. They're so big over there.

[A]

It would probably be sold under the same low speed neighborhood electric vehicle regulations. Not as a car. Doesn't have to be license plated in most states.

[B]

Everyone is excited about Trump saying that he's into cake.

[A]

Yes, we are.

[B]

The truth is though, now Trump can't just say things. I mean, he can and he does. Often that doesn't mean hats, but it doesn't necessarily happen. In fact, often the stuff that he says does not happen. And in this case there's 10 zillion regulations that prohibit K cars, which by the way, are annoying. Let's remove all the regulations.

[A]

No regulations.

[B]

Let's do a free market, dude. No more chicken techs. Let's get those pickup trucks in.

[A]

I do like some of the safety regulations. I'm supportive.

[B]

The safety regulations would happen anyway. New Zealand, okay, has zero regulations because the market's not large enough to regulate. And guess what? All the cars in New Zealand, there's a lot of airbags and backpacks.

[A]

There's not enough because they. They're not going to make a separate car. Although Mexico also has relatively few, there are vehicles sold there where they remove the airbags for sale.

[B]

They do not remove. Every car in Mexico's got airbags.

[A]

Drive around, you'd be surprised. There are some massively decontented cars.

[B]

Everybody in Mexico is driving around with airbags except for the ones that they've. That they've.

[A]

Yep.

[B]

Okay, next. Next one, please. Oh, oh, a safari. And there's Baden Baden.

[A]

This is the INEOS Grenadier game viewer.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

INEOS announced this week that they're building the game viewer. It's being built in Botswana. So they're taking like a stretched grenadier, sending it to Botswana where they will build custom safari ready Grenadiers.

[C]

I mean, that is. Yeah, that's kind of where you want to build them. That's not a bad idea.

[B]

Desperate to sell cars that they've decided.

[C]

Okay, also, they are longer reserves in Botswana. That's their target audience.

[A]

They are longer than the normal one.

[B]

Have you seen a pickup truck on the road?

[A]

Yes, one. It was right next to the dealer without a test drive.

[B]

I've seen one. There's a guy on Nantucket to go and that's it. I haven't seen one in California.

[A]

They're expensive.

[B]

Have you seen a pickup? Do you know that there is a pickup?

[C]

No, I haven't seen one.

[A]

The quartermaster. Quartermaster.

[B]

I reviewed one. It was fun.

[A]

Yeah, it was great. But this is the game viewer. You'll see it if you go on safari at, like, a really nice place.

[B]

There is no place to buy a BMW turbocharged engine.

[C]

They are sticking to the 70 series. There must be, as they have for.

[A]

Three years, that the guys that run Ineos presumably have investments across, might have their own game.

[B]

They will sell them to game desserts that, I'm telling you, appeal to a very certain clientele. But even then, they'll have a fleet of Toyota's background for when these things cause problems.

[C]

As someone who has done this and has been on safari for several weeks in Botswana, I suspect that the 70 series will always.

[B]

You want an MD, you want differential, you want an MDX, Acura open MDX. Here's what you do.

[A]

You take an MDX, an Acura MDX, just for clarity. Yeah.

[B]

Yeah. You pull the roof off.

[A]

Which gen?

[B]

The 071. That was really ugly when it debuted, but has since.

[A]

We love it, we like it.

[B]

Has since sort of morphed into also still ugly, but in a different way. Do you know what I'm saying?

[A]

Yeah. 270 horsepower, 3.5.

[B]

Whatever you said it was a 3.7.

[A]

Oh, it was a 3.7. By that, you're right. I'm so sorry. 270 horsepower, 3.7.

[B]

Kenan, would you be proud to ride around looking at zebras in this. Do you think the zebras would be.

[C]

I prefer to drive my own truck. That's what we. And that's what I prefer to do. And I will always pick a landship.

[A]

Ship your M5 there and grab it. I mean, your own truck.

[C]

I set my own truck.

[A]

Yeah, well, rent it.

[C]

Did I stutter?

[B]

It's SL65. He dropped his Rentech tune on the hippos. I know what's coming.

[C]

Well, hell yeah. I mean, it's B58 under that hood. Someone's gonna tune the out of it.

[A]

I should note, by the way, that Ineos bought the people in Botswana that are doing this, that they're called engineers.

[B]

The British have already got a history of don't. God, watch your language here.

[A]

I think my language would probably approve for the reality on the ground.

[B]

There's a company that has a factory that makes vehicles.

[A]

Kavongo Engineering apparently used to convert Land Cruisers and Land Rover to fenders. And Ineos bought that company and it's making these.

[B]

Can I tell you something? If you go on street view in Africa, Sure. You know what cars you see?

[A]

Large continent.

[B]

You know what cars you see, right?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Don't you get. Not in populated Africa, but like West Africa. And like all the. You know what cars you see 100% of the time? American cars that are no longer used in America, that are sported. No, no, no. It's always true. Siennas and Corollas and Matrixes and cars that were sold new here in Nebraska and driven by some old lady and she has no idea that her old car is now in Ghana, you know, driving 14 people around.

[A]

Do you think that Pontiac Vibes are cheaper than Toyota Macers?

[B]

There's a ton of Vibes.

[A]

If you're like, do you think the price differential exists?

[B]

No, it's all in Africa. It's all about utility, and everybody in Africa knows the one.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

If you go on Africa street view, Ghana street view is wild. It's. You're like, wait a minute. That's my mom's old Sienna.

[C]

Yeah. Yep, that's true.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

What. What else we got? Any more news?

[A]

All right. This is a Lotus Elytra.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

It's famously an electric SUV that somehow costs $250,000 in the U.S. they are.

[B]

For sale in the U.S. can go ahead. Go ahead and finish the story.

[A]

It's been an EV only that has like 900 something horsepower. Doug maybe has a review with one. He has to be the only person that's ever seen one.

[B]

I reviewed A full electric.

[A]

Right. That's all that there has been up till today. When now apparently they're gonna start building a plug in hybrid. One that has a 2 liter 4 cylinder and apparently 940ish horsepower.

[B]

Great. That'll be more powerful. Lovely. Can you go to. Can you type in Lotus Eletra for sale?

[A]

That's crazy.

[B]

All right. Just for sale. It's treble for sale. Yeah, that's all. And then hit images.

[C]

Okay.

[B]

This car is local. This one. You can actually Click on it cars.com Big shout out, tap on that this car is local here at Aston Martin of San Diego. You can buy it today. It's on eletre for $243,000. Let me ask you this, is this the least desirable $243,000 car? Can you think of any? Probably some 356.

[C]

Yeah. Well, always.

[B]

There are 356s that inexplicably are worth 250 because they have one more horsepower than only to Jerry Seinfeld.

[C]

From a performance perspective, I can think of a worse ratio. Like the multi window. Like Volkswagen buses, though, it is a desirable car because they're cool.

[B]

I don't think those are 250 grand, though.

[C]

I think they are.

[B]

This is the worst 250. Certainly the worst 250,000 on a new car. So Lotus, is it the worst new car overall?

[A]

It's up there. Lotus had a tough situation where they were going to sell these for 100 something. 120, 130,000.

[B]

Where it was already going to be a depreciation disaster.

[A]

Massively. They were early to the full EV luxury SUV game. It's a somehow a 6,000 pound lotus, which doesn't make sense.

[C]

Simplify lightness. So Colin Chapman, they added a little bit too much.

[A]

But it was.

[B]

Colin Chapman envisioned this vehicle. He was creating the.

[A]

But then it was built. It's built in China and Therefore there's a 100% tariff on it.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

That made pricing a little tough. Yeah, well, that won't change with the gas one. I'm not sure the gas one's coming to the US because. Cause why would they bother? It is based on a different Zeekr Chinese EV or plug in hybrid. It's using the same powertrain.

[B]

Tough situation here.

[C]

But you know what?

[B]

Lotus took a risk and it really failed.

[A]

Really failed.

[C]

Sometimes your numbers come up and sometimes they don't.

[B]

I will say producing in China was a risk from the beginning. Tariffs were always a threat against China. Even Biden had them. The US market's never gonna like these things heavily. The Lotus brand presumably is not very strong in. Not like they're even recording sales there. Yeah, I know, but it's not like the Chinese are like ooh, Lotus. They don't know. They don't have any history with this brand. And even if they did, the history would be the same as everybody else's history, which is that the brand has largely been a failure for our entire lives.

[A]

But don't you kind of want an Amir?

[B]

No, I want that Mr. 2.

[C]

I'd like to drive one.

[A]

I'm curious.

[B]

I want that Mr. 2. If they do a stick of that Mr. 2 and it feels fast, 400 horsepower. Should I review it? Well. But not buy it. Yep, that's.

[C]

Yep, that sounds right.

[B]

We got any more news?

[A]

I got one more news story. Oh, so it's all designed.

[B]

This is my all time favorite car.

[C]

I'm sad that the picture for this wasn't the guy in the bicycle looking.

[B]

Who's looking at it like what the hell.

[A]

It's all designed. Famous for designing the Columbus of course, but also the first generation Golf, the BMW M1, a bunch of other cars that we know and love and other cars that are hideous. They've done both. That was founded by Jetsu Giugia. Audi and Lamborghini have owned them for a while. Audi or Lamborghini, all owned by Audi have sold the majority stake of it to a company called UST and on their website UST is like like the subline is we don't just use AI, we reimagine industries with it.

[B]

And they're located in like Santa Ana.

[A]

They'Re located in Orange County, California.

[B]

So ITEL Design is owned by a company that's headquarters is off the 7 off Jamboree Road off the 73. That's what we're at now. Atel Design. This is a company that gave us some of the all time most famous car. Giugiaro was working for these guys.

[C]

Well, there's good news about that. I mean they're an AI based company. Luckily most of it designs look like AI errors. So that's not too bad. But the other thing I guess is maybe this is. Maybe now's your chance. Maybe now they'll be willing to sell the Columbus.

[B]

Oh, that's such a good idea. And they're just off the road. All I gotta do is drive up to 73.

[C]

That's right.

[B]

And be like, yo, I know that you guys gave us some of the all time greatest cars in history, but can you Sell me this, right?

[C]

I value your heritage and I would like to own a piece of it.

[A]

We knew by the way we talked a few months ago that Audi was looking to sell at least a portion of a tel design. They're not using it.

[B]

I would offer them what this is worth too, honestly, like 50, $18,000. I would give them every penny of $18,000.

[A]

I will say this is one of my. So traditionally PR announcements have like where each company's from, like the location of the PR announcement and the PR announcement for this has Ingolstadt, Germany Montecallieri, Italy and Aliso Viejo, California.

[B]

Aliso Viejo popping in.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

Dude, I'm telling you something. The Lotus Esprit was in a town design. All of the original Hyundai's, the DeLorean, the Subaru SVX, one of your all time favorites. Yes. The original Golf Giugiaro was there. The 159, every Alpha, the Brera. And now. Yeah. And now here they are, the M1 like you said. And now here they are off Jamboree Road.

[A]

They're actually on at 5 Polaris Way.

[B]

I don't. No one knows where anything is.

[A]

They ride with the 73 off of Illuminati.

[B]

I'm going to tell you this and I'm not trying to be a jerk to Orange county but once, once you're inland Orange county there's no way to know where anything is. You have to have a GPS even if you live there and have lived there your whole life.

[A]

So true.

[B]

That's very true. Okay, that's our last news story. What a shame. A tel design. The history, the grand history.

[A]

Yep.

[B]

They're now an AI company in Aliso Viejo.

[A]

Yep.

[C]

How the mighty have fallen.

[B]

Then again, don't forget the courage UT was designed in a strip mall in Huntington Beach. The greatest car ever with a Formula one engine.

[C]

Never use.

[A]

I like the additional qualifications. Not the greatest car ever, just the greatest car ever that has a formula. Oh, it was.

[B]

I was trying to say the greatest car ever and it has a Formula one.

[C]

Okay, I got it comma.

[B]

By the way, you know what we're not talking about today and we should be on the news is that Hagerty released that list where they always say what cars are going to go up in value. Now this list is a little scary. It's like that Grammy for best new Artist because usually the cars they pick go down in value. Like the top 900, like the soft 900. A big pick of that which I'm.

[A]

A fan to Be clear, that would.

[B]

Have like a 50% decline after they picked it. Anywho, the crerer GT is in the list. What are your thoughts on that list there? Does it have anything else good?

[A]

I mean we can pull it up. We can, we can.

[B]

Do we do we go pull it up. Bull market list Hagerty, what's on there?

[A]

I seem to recall a bunch of other good stuff. The Alpha GTV is on there.

[C]

Producer would be thrilled.

[A]

The C6Z06 is on there. R33 Skyline GTR.

[B]

You know what truck that 454 SS pickup up. Those are cool.

[A]

That is real. Mark three Golf, Golf E6 GT5.

[C]

It's a car that is absolutely not going up.

[A]

NB Miata which I can't imagine does anything in value.

[B]

You know I will say I think that compare relative to the other cars on this list, the Carrera GT will go up on a percentage basis the most. You know these two will not at.

[C]

All actually I think the Carrera GT will go up in the value that it will cover.

[B]

The rest of his crew, they'll be.

[C]

Like we did it in the aggregate. They won't.

[B]

The Ram Charger ain't going up. You got to wonder though, you know, are they running out of cars to put on the list?

[A]

I mean the GTV values plummeted in the last year so maybe they'll just kind of tick back up to where.

[B]

Is that a Studebaker Hawk? What is that?

[A]

Nobody knows.

[B]

We don't get into the old I will say Hagerty, it's a continental mark 2.

[A]

Hagerty to their credit has an incredible amount of data and incredibly talented data people. So I imagine there's reason behind these choices.

[B]

There are many years where their list has been actually pretty successful. The cars have gone up but there are some years where it has in.

[A]

2021 what car was right.

[B]

Some of their picks actually.

[A]

No, we love the people.

[B]

Anyway, current he's on there. The greatest cover made and one of the things they wrote in the article was that it's the Formula one engine is probably a big reason why it's going to continue to rise.

[A]

Did they really?

[B]

No, no. And you want to know why?

[C]

Because they're not idiots. That's why.

[B]

You want to know why they didn't write that? Because. Because it I'm told it doesn't have a Formula one engine.

[A]

Wow.

[C]

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All right, we got to get into the talk car segment, which of course is sponsored by Canon's rentech tune.

[A]

Oh, yes.

[B]

Many badges are on this car to signify it.

[C]

Yep. Three. Two of them. I'm going to take off all three.

[B]

But the first big. The first big talk cars that I think we should talk about.

[C]

About.

[B]

Yeah. Is the Doug Sember arrival.

[A]

We should.

[B]

Doug Sember is back. We're hitting it hard this year.

[A]

We are.

[B]

We got the rivian new Rivian thing. The new rivian quad motor, which was cool. The 993 Turbo announcement. The Citron DS, the Hyundai crater, and then this week, the Cadillac Celestic. Did you watch my Celestic video?

[A]

I have yet to watch the video.

[B]

This is the only. If you're gonna watch it.

[A]

Oh, I will watch it. No, no, I will certainly watch it.

[B]

This is some good stuff. Show us the Celestic thing. You don't have to click on it. Look at that. This is good stuff stuff. This is an American Rolls Royce. Felipe.

[A]

I'm excited to watch this video.

[B]

The standard of the world has returned.

[A]

And how will it sell?

[B]

Poorly.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

And it's going to be a depreciation disaster, much like the lotus elite tree.

[A]

How much is a. Okay, so this feels Lincoln Continental coach door esque to me.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Where they did something different. Luxurious doors open backwards.

[B]

It's 400, though.

[A]

Right? But how much is like how much did a Continental coach door a drop? How much has it maintained value? No. Oh, this won't either.

[B]

No. This is going to be. It's going to be a tough resell. It's going to be a tough.

[A]

You want to share some of the other things you have coming up in December for the people to look forward to?

[B]

Yeah. What are they?

[A]

You've got a Singer review coming up.

[B]

Zinger. Not Singer.

[A]

Not Singer.

[B]

If you thought apologies be thrilled.

[A]

It ain't.

[B]

You don't have to sit through one of those. It's the Zinger, which we in the office call Scissenger because that's what it looks like. But it's Zinger. What it's actually called the Cadillac Voyager, the Cadillac Voyage and the new RAV4GR Sport.

[A]

Whoa.

[C]

I'm buckled in.

[B]

You know what? You know what? I also am realizing I totaled up. I did how much I spent on car repairs in 25. It didn't include the countach broke down after I made that video. I made that video December 1st. And then the Countach broke just.

[C]

It couldn't make it through the month.

[B]

Let's talk about that. That's my next talk cars. The Countach is back. Countach broke down last week.

[C]

Week.

[B]

And it's back. It broke down, I think on the way to the pod last week. And now it's back.

[A]

It's back.

[B]

It was Tuesday last week, so it's back eight days later. All good. Drives pristinely.

[C]

What happened from the shop to here?

[B]

The clutch master cylinder failed. And you know, it's interesting because I went back and looked. This car had a service in 2005 that was more than the value of the car.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

In 2005, it had a $75,000 service, which in today's money has got to be $150,000. And the car at that time was worth maybe 75.

[A]

That's how cheap they were.

[C]

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

[B]

Maybe less. And I went back and looked and you know what part was not replaced during that service? The master cylinder. The slave was. And the Slave hadn't failed. But I told them to just replace the slave anyway.

[C]

You should replace them in tandem. Anyway.

[B]

You should. But we replaced them together.

[C]

But wow. So it was original.

[B]

Either original or even older than that. I don't have any records before that service. It was 25 years ago.

[A]

Sure. Was either original or older, right? Yeah.

[C]

It came off a 350 GT.

[B]

Well, it was original or older than that. Being older than that. Service that I'm referencing, I don't know. It may be newer than original.

[C]

You know what? If they did that much work and didn't replace it, I. I'd put money on it being original, in which case it legitimately just didn't owe you anything. It's just an old component that's pressing years still going.

[A]

How did it feel with the new?

[C]

Made you feel any difference?

[B]

Oh, it did drive so well. It's. It's just the greatest. Now I will say on the way back here, I hit 64,000 kilometers, which is 39,800 miles. So I've. I'm this close to 40,000 miles in that car.

[C]

Big four.

[B]

40,000 miles. I bought the car. For those of you keeping track at home with 37,000 almost exactly. So 3,000 miles in the countach.

[A]

Not bad in a Countach.

[B]

How many miles you put on it on that Countach?

[A]

Yeah. 12.

[B]

Have you driven it?

[A]

No.

[B]

Damn. Why not?

[A]

I haven't had an opportunity to.

[C]

I've missed two opportunities to drive that car and I regret it every day.

[A]

Oh, I don't think about it.

[C]

I was sick for one and then I was out of town for the other. I know.

[B]

I want to be clear, Filippo.

[C]

We know stand. It's not for you.

[B]

The 993 has problems too.

[A]

What?

[B]

Oh, yeah, yeah. Very. Nothing major.

[A]

Still driving it every day with one of the four power seat controls.

[B]

We put. We got all four. We got two kids and two adults in the car. Everybody's driving around and it's great. But you know, the car hasn't been used like I'm using it in a long time. I've driven it 3,000 miles in 60 days.

[A]

That's crazy.

[B]

And 3,000 miles before that, it had been many years and so it's had some issues. It hasn't broken down or anything. But there's a warning light on that. The fan belt has failed. Fan belt's a big deal in that car because it's air cooled. It has not failed. I checked that. The sensor has failed, the glove box broke. There's little things. So it's going in as well for service.

[A]

But 20, 26, 26.

[C]

Pretty normal to. Like you said, you just got this car. There will be things that you have to.

[B]

You shake down. You discover some things. Also.

[A]

I've.

[B]

I was planning not to do an oil change until the spring, but I've driven it so much that now I kind of have to do it right away. But the reason I brought these things up is because this is car. This is owning cool, fun cars.

[C]

I agree.

[B]

Sometimes they break and you're on a rollback and the car goes in and you got to do a master and slave cylinder. Sometimes it's the glove box breaks. This is. If you want to have fun cars, cool cars. This is the kind of thing that happens.

[C]

Yes, I know. I've been doing this for a decade.

[B]

Filippo, on the other hand, my cars don't break down. Are you going to tell? Yeah, well, that's.

[C]

Yep. Take a guess.

[B]

What boring stuff can you tell us about the situation?

[A]

I'm in active negotiations on a car.

[B]

We're not going to say which. We're not going to talk about it.

[A]

Folks.

[B]

I know Kenan knows people off camera know the fellow he's negotiating with, whose name is Luke. He knows. But we're not going to share it with you until next week when Filippo drives the car through our podcast.

[A]

That would be incredible. Slowly. I don't want to damage it.

[C]

You feeling good that this is going to happen? Like a very high likelihood, too?

[A]

Yeah, it seems like a very high likelihood. I just don't want to be, like, scooped, you know, by Friday when this comes out, I better own the car. But we'll see.

[B]

I'm a little bit anxious about you driving an expensive car.

[C]

As am I.

[A]

Same.

[B]

You have not treated your other cars well.

[A]

I would have to treat this marginally nicer and a little more nice.

[C]

No, no, no, not marginally. I think you. I mean, like I am. I am also worried you won't be.

[B]

Able to devote your garage to woodworking projects anymore.

[A]

I know that is going to be a real issue. Do you remember? I don't remember.

[B]

Mounted the front plate to the GTI and didn't. And didn't clean the bugs off the bumper.

[C]

Yep, I remember that. You keep.

[A]

I washed it after.

[C]

Now. I washed it after when the.

[B]

When the front plate was already on.

[C]

I. You and I did a video a while ago about how to wash a car. I think that will come in. Will come in handy.

[B]

Do you know that when we went. We did this. We did some desert thing. You'll see it in a couple of weeks. And when we went out there, his battery has failed in this 500 a bar and he just starts it with a jump box every single time.

[A]

I want to be clear.

[B]

We filmed Riverside, so it was like on brand, but like, we filmed a.

[A]

Little series last week, which was very fun. I hadn't driven that Fiat in three weeks. I wasn't aware the battery failed because it had sat in my driveway undriven and now I will get a new battery.

[C]

You will need to have this car on like a battery tender if it's going to sit.

[A]

I plan on driving it quite regularly. We're going down to. So right now we own three cars. Three and a half cars. The Fiat 500 Bar Cabriolet, the Volkswagen GTI and our Mercedes station wagon. Yeah, we're gonna get rid of two of those and replace them with the car that I'm buying. So the GTI and the bathroom leaving. And this car that I'm buying will be the car that I drive around.

[B]

You know he's also getting a carbureted pickup truck.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Oh right.

[A]

I forgot about the car inherited from my late father in law is a 19 late 70s F2 50.

[C]

How long do you have to keep that thing?

[A]

Forever.

[B]

Forever.

[A]

For familial obligation requires forever.

[C]

Forever.

[B]

It'll be great.

[A]

My, my wife will. Will love it.

[C]

No she won't. She'll really hate it when it fouls up and like she needs.

[B]

Does it drive?

[A]

We don't know.

[B]

So the, the. You should even swap it Here.

[A]

Here's an issue. I'm told my late father in law was a mechanic. My brother in law helped him with some projects. I'm told that they had it running like six months ago. It has since sat outside.

[B]

What's what motors in it? 351 Cleveland.

[C]

Yeah, I hope so.

[A]

By all accounts it ran recently enough. It should be easy enough to get running. I suspect it'll need brakes, tires, some of the consumables. But that's easy.

[B]

Who's easy enough to get running? You're not going to get this thing running.

[A]

I don't know. We'll figure it out. I got to get it here.

[B]

How are you going to get it here?

[A]

I will have to figure that out. It currently knows.

[B]

May I suggest I will rent a U haul trailer. May I suggest using a Dodge power wagon?

[A]

I would love that.

[B]

They seem pretty heavy.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. I suspect that I will probably have to like rent a car that can has a towing capacity and a hit.

[B]

You're going to tow this thing 12 hours?

[A]

It's six hours.

[B]

Not with towing.

[A]

Ah, seven.

[B]

No, no, it's like nine.

[A]

It's going to be especially California towing speed limit 55.

[B]

Especially you towing like you're going to. Oh him in a gas station with a. With a trailer backing up.

[A]

Oh wait.

[B]

Why is it going left if I'm turning right?

[A]

I don't understand. I don't understand I have to regularly before. Quite capable.

[C]

You have not regularly.

[B]

When have you towed boats?

[A]

Last time we were out on the water six months ago.

[C]

Six months ago. Right around actually once.

[A]

No, I, I whatever water.

[B]

I tow boats.

[A]

Quite comfortable towing life. I do lead a fascinating life. Thank you. I'm quite comfortable towing. I just got to get it home. That's the hard part.

[C]

You're gonna have this.

[B]

What are you gonna do when it's home? You're not gonna.

[C]

It doesn't run.

[B]

What do you. Of course you can't put that at your house. I'm like, there are worse cars on my street.

[C]

There's that huge pickup truck.

[A]

Only sometimes. Thankfully. Only sometimes.

[C]

He's got to come over with a case. Hey, buddy.

[A]

That's the worst part. He'll want to talk about it. Yeah.

[C]

All right.

[B]

This is an episode 50. Yeah.

[A]

Ranger.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

XLT.

[C]

I mean it's a serious truck, but like I'm.

[A]

It's a great truck. I think we will legit.

[B]

I'll pull up. What this is like.

[A]

It's like a 77 something.

[B]

77F250 Ranger. Take that in. See, peo's going to be driving around some good.

[C]

Is it two tone?

[B]

Is it a beautiful.

[A]

It is actually a bu color, but it's primarily just patina and blue.

[B]

Are you going to get it like if you got.

[A]

No, it's staying like that.

[B]

Look at those mirrors.

[A]

More like that Carlisle auction one.

[B]

It.

[A]

It's going to stay like that, obviously. But it's Arizona.

[B]

That won't be an eyesore.

[A]

But look at Arizona.

[B]

Wait, what year? 77.

[A]

77. 78. I don't remember.

[B]

You realize that's smog? Yeah.

[C]

You have to pass.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

75 you got up there.

[B]

Interesting man. Finally, Montana.

[A]

It's based on the admissions requirements at the time. Right.

[B]

You will not.

[A]

You will not pass.

[B]

There's no way. There is not. I'm going to tell you if you ask the state legislatures and the state legislators and the chp, there is not a single car in California registered from 1976 to about 1988. They don't exist. They don't exist. They're not here.

[A]

Remain titled the narrative. We'll see. We'll find out to get that interesting point. Had a thought about smog. But I'm excited to have it in my life. Generally. Had a thought about smog.

[B]

Of course not.

[A]

This isn't a car I purchased. This is a car that has been been kindly given to me.

[B]

Well, the state of California doesn't Want this car. Okay. However, if you get those wheels on.

[A]

It, my wife excited though cuz it will be like a cool Illinois that.

[B]

Want them, I'll tell you that.

[C]

Yeah, buddy.

[B]

Yeah, it'll be a cool. This truck's too nice though. This guy doesn't take this into this mud. He backed it off a trailer, took the picture and now he's back.

[C]

Which is exactly how Felipe will use it.

[B]

I'm excited about trailer.

[C]

It does look good, I'll give you that.

[A]

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[B]

All right. What, what other news? What other cars stories? Kenan, you went to the the Southeast.

[C]

I did, yeah. I went to New Orleans to film with a Jaguar XK140. They'll be coming up on the site very soon.

[B]

Fastest car in the world. Just like my countach was, was.

[C]

It was the 120. Like, oh, I just, I'm stunned as I did research on this car. Like the, the records that it held, the 120, like from 1949 till 1953, it set our speed record every single year.

[A]

Really. Like the car just got. And the crazy broke in, went faster kind of.

[C]

But the, the thing, the one that blew my mind was it was in 53. They did they, they. In 52 they set a record. It was like over. It was like 130 miles an hour sustained for an hour. And the driver got out and said, wow, this car feels so good it could do it for a week. And they. The next year, they were like, you know, let's do that. And so they did. For a week. They averaged over 100 miles an hour for seven days and seven nights.

[B]

You're kidding.

[C]

Stopping to change the. I think they changed the wheels and the tires and they changed the drivers, obviously. And they were nursing a suspension problem, but they still did it.

[B]

You're kidding.

[C]

No. 17,000 miles in a week. You couldn't do that in the 1950s. I mean, that's pretty amazing.

[B]

You couldn't do that in a Jag today.

[C]

No. Mostly because they don't build cars. But it just like that. It was very cool to drive in it. And we were talking about how it's hard. Like, sometimes the challenge of using a car, living with a car, kind of is the appeal. And the cars from the 50s, I've never really been attracted to, but having driven it now, I get it. Like, I understand. It's funny. Like, you go around the corner, there's no bolsters on the seats. You got to hold yourself, like, with your elbow on the outside of the car. It looks so cool and it sounds awesome.

[B]

Big steering wheel.

[C]

Huge steering wheel and yeah. Thin rim, but it's got cutouts for your fingers and like your car trimming. Yeah, exactly. Yes, you are.

[A]

You just learned the word trim trimming. I want to ask you a question about this because you've used it a lot in the last week, but never before. Like, last Thursday.

[B]

I like a good trim. Dude.

[A]

Interesting. All right, sorry. Continue.

[C]

Anyway, so. Yeah, so that was fantastic. It was nice to be back in New Orleans, too. I love New Orleans. And then I went to St. Pete, Florida, driving McLaren MP4 12C Spider, which will be coming soon. Site too. Been very interested in those cars. I've only driven a 720s. I've never driven like, pull up, pull up.

[A]

Have we sold $70? Yeah, we sold both. You.

[B]

You can just type in MP4. There's not a lot of different models of MP4. That's true.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

70 to 180 to 110.

[C]

Yeah. And this one, it's a one owner Roadster. It's in. It's 13,000 miles on it. Whatever. I mean, owned by a fascinating guy, too. He's the chief strategist for Turner Motorsport and he has. He's won two drivers championships and. And 12 constructors championships with. Championships with. With Turner.

[B]

What'd you Think of the car.

[A]

Car.

[C]

Loved it. It feels way more exotic than I was expecting, especially given its price point. I mean, it feels more like a $300,000 car.

[B]

Better than Ferrari.

[C]

It was definitely faster, that's for sure. But it's. It had more torque. And I have to say, the Spider, you're much closer to the engine. So you get the sounds, you get the turbo sound. You get the great sound of the V8. I think that makes it feel more exotic, which was a criticism level at the car at the time. But I think they are tremendous value.

[B]

And if they stay reliable.

[C]

Reliable. The thing. Well, the thing is, like, there's a lot. The later ones did get more reliable. The really early ones where you had to slide to open the door, which is what Felipe would buy. Those ones are inexpensive for a reason, because they are a little bit.

[B]

Wait, the later ones, they switch that to a real door handle.

[C]

Yeah. There's a button and then. Yeah, so you just press the button.

[B]

In the early McLaren years.

[A]

Early and late 12.

[B]

Right, 12. I think in the early McLarens, you literally sort of.

[A]

You think I'm not familiar.

[C]

They did that. They did away with that immediately, you know.

[B]

You know, my parents when I was a kid had an MP412C. It was a VCR.

[A]

Nice.

[C]

Yes. The name is a bit tough.

[B]

Thank you. Thank you.

[C]

It was later called the 12C for a good reason, because the name is terrible.

[B]

But the car, 12C is pretty stupid also, especially since it doesn't have 12 cylinders right now. Yes.

[C]

Well, yeah, but then Dodici Chilindri is not exactly great.

[A]

No, it has a 12 cylinder.

[C]

Anything around 12C just doesn't really work. 4C kind of works. And 8C.

[B]

I agree these are cool cars. I agree they are values in today's market. I think they look really cool.

[C]

And the, the last point I want to make, they are also well supported now by third party places that service it when the car came out. Yes. MC Medics, like, there's a company that goes around and like come to you and service your car. Like, and they work, specialize in MP412C and like the early cars, which I think is cool. There are. There's a lot more support for this car now than there was when it came out. So you don't have to take it to a dealer. And I think that actually makes it substantially more compelling to own as enthusiasts have gotten into it more.

[B]

Are you compelled?

[A]

No, I don't buy automatic cars.

[C]

This is not for me. Don't buy automatic cars.

[A]

Yeah, I own one, admittedly, but it's a Mercedes.

[C]

We own the same number of automatics.

[A]

I own more manuals.

[B]

I need more power. We only buy autos for daily drive.

[A]

Yeah, that's it. And I did an F250. That 1%.

[B]

That's an auto. Yeah. Oh, two on the tree.

[A]

I think it's a three speed. Might be two.

[C]

It is. Man, you are not ready for this.

[B]

I can't believe you didn't think about it.

[A]

I'm going to Arizona tomorrow. Or we'll go listen this and I will go figure out first of all, is there a key? Because I'm not 100 key. Does it close to turning on? Is there a battery or anything like. I don't know anything about this truck. I will find out.

[B]

What do you think it's worth? 500. It's.

[A]

It's worth a lot of sentimentality to my. Very sentimental.

[C]

I'll tell you what it will be when it. Here's. You know why I didn't think about registration? Because you're never going to drive it. It's going to sit there.

[B]

Don't you think a nice way to let the memory live on is we destroy it like Sean, if.

[A]

I really thought you were gonna say bury it like Hoovy would.

[B]

No, it's too big. If. If given the opportunity, Sean would love to do something where we destroy this car. I know a guy who has a junkyard down in South.

[A]

Absolutely not doing that.

[B]

Okay. But. But imagine the memory. Like the memory is created in that moment. Right? Right.

[C]

I mean, yeah. If I get to shoot that thing with a 50.

[B]

No, we'd run over it. We'd run over it. You know what we. That's. It would be hard.

[C]

You know what we do?

[B]

We get one of those 07 MDXs. We get six of them and we just keep trying to run over the F250 until we're good.

[A]

We borrow.

[B]

This is like a $10,000 video too. Nothing is expensive.

[A]

My late father in law, Craig, had a huge lifted 05F250. Could drive over this other one, huh?

[B]

You didn't get that car though.

[A]

Would have been pretty into shooting it.

[B]

Who ended up getting the 05?

[A]

His son.

[B]

You got screwed.

[A]

Did not want a 800 horsepower turbo diesel.

[C]

You didn't want this either.

[B]

I did. I'm excited about this. We got to move on to our market report, which is. Which is sponsored of course by Kenan's Rentech.

[A]

Sponsored by Cars and Bids.

[B]

Oh, yeah, the market report sponsored by Cars and bids, folks. If you want to buy a car, if you want to sell a car, if you want to think about a car, go to cars and bids. That's where your greatest cars are. Can you pull up that Supra? We got a.

[C]

We had a nice mark for Supra.

[B]

This is a one owner. Did you know? Yes, this is a one.

[A]

It's in the subtitle.

[B]

Ignore the fact that it has a temporary license plate on it issued last week. This is a one owner car. No, seriously, this is incredibly cool. 60,000 mile. This is a fixed roof coupe. Filippo knows what I'm talking about because he's in the Corvette community.

[A]

That's right.

[B]

C5. This is a fixed roof coupe. This is the real deal, Kenan. Are you interested?

[C]

It is cool. It's nice to see one so stock.

[B]

So stock.

[C]

We get some very heavily modified ones submitted to us. We get a lot of very stock, cared for one ones as well.

[B]

There are still them out there.

[C]

They are still around. I mean, this one lives in a neighborhood that looks like this, which I think is great.

[B]

Let me ask you a question. What's one owner dude bought it.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Let me ask you. An expensive car in 1996.

[C]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

Let me ask you a question, Kenan. If you could have this or an nsx, what would you have?

[C]

Nsx.

[B]

What about this or any of the other Japanese sports cars? Would you rather have an FD? Would you?

[A]

I'd rather have this than a 3000 GT.

[C]

Well, duh, duh, duh.

[B]

300 ZX.

[A]

I will say it was a Midland T Texas and that presumably with oil.

[C]

Money at the time, actually thinking, yeah, because I would rather.

[B]

I would rather have this than an nsx.

[C]

Would you rather have this than a. Well, I guess Depends which GTR. Any GTR.

[B]

I'd rather have an R34 GTR. That is true, but left hand drive, converted.

[A]

The market would rather have a GTR or an nsx.

[B]

The market would not rather have an nsx.

[C]

Yeah, no, yeah, yeah.

[B]

I think he's right. If you had a 96 NSX with 60,000 miles, I think it sells for more than this car. One owner, 96 NSX with 60,000 miles it sells for.

[A]

It's in the same ballpark.

[B]

But they're in the ballpark. And remember, in this car, Paul Walker says, nice car. What does it cost? Or whatever.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

What's the retail on one of those?

[B]

What's the retail on one of those?

[C]

More than you can afford, pal. My, how those just two values have.

[B]

The irony, Filippo, of that is that the Supra is now worth more.

[A]

I understand.

[B]

So the Supra, even though he was told that it was more than you can afford Palm, is actually the more.

[A]

It took of 25 years.

[C]

Was that 3.5? Was it an F1?

[B]

I don't remember. Of course it was an F1. They were shooting in Hollywood. You think that guy could drive a stick? Okay, I want to talk Cybertruck first. I want to talk cybertruck first. We had a cybertruck sale. Or maybe it was a no sale, I don't know. For $61,000, folks, cybertrucks are knock, knockin, knocking on the 50s.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

I'm just putting it out there.

[A]

Other cybertrucks have reached the 50s.

[B]

I'm not saying it's a good deal. Deal. I'm not saying you should do it. I'm just saying this is a market report. I am simply reporting the truth. The cybertruck is knocking on the door of the 50s.

[A]

How much is this cybertruck?

[B]

This is a year old, by the way.

[A]

Current cybertruck offers from Tesla new.

[B]

Yeah, yeah. What do they offer for a Cybertruck?

[A]

729Amonth.

[B]

That's way too much. Way too much 50s, folks.

[C]

That's remarkable.

[B]

They'll be there soon. The beasts are still more. The beasts are still like 80. They won't be for long.

[C]

Wrong.

[B]

This is going to be a 35 car in 18 months. I'm not, I'm not.

[A]

And it's an incredibly capable 35,000 mile car.

[B]

I'm capable of what?

[A]

Speed. Irritating speed and turning in tight radiuses.

[B]

This is going to be 35 in 18 months, you mark my words. Call us up on the pod in December, in June or July of 27 and let's see what cybertruck is.

[C]

Can you imagine the demographic that's going to end up with these things is going to be crazy.

[B]

It's Hummer H2S. This is the Hummer H2 of the modern era.

[C]

Wow, that is such a great analogy.

[B]

This is the humorage too. It, it is, it is very striking and sells to a certain person and then it depreciates like crazy and it loses its strikingness and its luster and its excitement. I mean, you see these now and you feel a little sorry for the people driving them, right? I mean, they were cool. They were cool for a year.

[A]

Not cool.

[B]

They were cool.

[C]

It was cool to see it initially. I have to say I didn't like.

[B]

It when they came out There wasn't a person in the world who didn't text me. Like I just saw some sort of angled truck. I don't know what it was. Holy crap.

[A]

Notable and cool. Different.

[B]

Oh, they were. God, what a contrition. Refuses to admit what he actually agree.

[C]

I think that it was the first one I saw. Like I remember where I was the first time I saw and I was.

[A]

Like, do you really? Yeah.

[C]

Was that the balcony in my apartment complex looking at when they were Kennedy.

[B]

Assassination 911 and the first cybertruck. That's right.

[C]

Because I'm old enough to have seen the assassination.

[B]

Pull up the GTR, please.

[A]

Yeah, we sold GT the R35T folks spec for so much money.

[B]

The T spec was a very special car at the very end, but this sold for $163,000. And I just want to make a point here. GTRS never got to cheap. They never went down in value. They are still incredibly desirable and there is still a huge community of people who absolutely love these cars and really, really, really are. Are buying them and spending real money on them.

[A]

MSRP was 140.

[B]

140.

[A]

And presumably you got this at or below MSRP. Yeah.

[B]

So GTRs and go back to G type in R35 GTR or just R35. You what? We're going to have regular skylines. VQ, dude. I mean, these are still at.09 for 80. What was the sticker on that?

[A]

80. 80. Yeah.

[B]

Yeah, there's inflation, but you get the point.

[A]

They were so cheap early too.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

That is amazing. Do you think it's because, you know, they all look almost exactly the same.

[B]

The performance is still very good. It's because the performance is incredible. They are unbelievably tunable. They have turned out to be pretty robust in terms of reliability. The early cars were a little bit less so. But. But there's an enormous community around fixing any issues that come up and they just didn't make all that. That many. Even though the car was in production for 16 years, they just didn't make all that many. And it's funny because we all idolize the R34. But in the end, this car will remain a tremendously desirable, exciting car for years. Years. Years to come.

[A]

MSRP was sub 80.

[B]

Sub 80. 77, wasn't it?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

For.

[A]

For that year, it had gone up seven grand. From 08 to 09 it was 70. It was a $70,000 car when it came out. Wow.

[C]

Wow.

[A]

Still a $70,000 car for pretty much all of them.

[B]

These cars remain tremendously desirable, tremendously popular, well supported. Look at that. Black edition sells for 74 with 43,000 miles. That person bought that car, dailied it essentially and still got real money out.

[A]

It is interesting to see which special editions the market rewards. That Skyline edition which was just Bayside Blue and nothing else. Market isn't going to go that much over sticker for that.

[B]

Yeah, the market didn't hate that though. 143 is still a real number.

[A]

Yeah the T spec though seems like it's the might end up being one of the desirable specs.

[B]

I still very rare. I see a GTR on the street which shocks me. Yes this is to me this is still an exotic car and I have a suspicion the market will treat these like Supras and NSXs where we saw them a lot in the day in the period, in 20 years we're going to tell our kids we used to see those just driving around like you would think you'd see if you saw an nsx. Now you'd be like wow, like someone's driving if you saw a Mark IV. Now you'd be like I can't believe someone's just cruising around in that. In 20 years we're going to say that about these cars.

[C]

One is that I, I still, even I still don't feel like I ever saw them regularly. I never saw them. I mean you see them occasionally but it's, it's quite rare. Always noted it. Second thing is because of cars and coffee and where we live I think I see more R34 GTRS than R35s which is these are going to be.

[B]

In a way that the market continues to view not just the T spec but the market will continue to view this car as special forever. It was just a lot of power, reliable power, tunable power, huge culture around it, very special.

[C]

Change the game for sure.

[B]

If Faster than Furious was made today, Paul Walker would be driving one of these.

[A]

I think he is in one of the later movies too. 35 well his brother maybe they made 48,000 over the lifetime globally.

[B]

Globally which is a lot of cars.

[C]

It's low given the period I mean.

[B]

For like a.

[A]

Top of the lineup car, Halo car like that.

[B]

They made 20,000 original NSXs over a.

[A]

Very similar like two and a half times as many.

[B]

And they made 19,000 second gen NSXs.

[A]

I remember when in about 0809 I lived in Madison, Wisconsin and in like a normal neighborhood there was a GTR street parked and like at the time it was a notable car, but it was also a $70,000 car. Yeah, it wasn't that different from somebody buying a. No, totally top of the line.

[B]

And I still think to this day it is sort of like that. It's notable. But you know, there's a GTR. You're not taking a picture of it. In 20 years you'll be taking a picture of it. It's going to be special. It is special.

[A]

Has anybody manual swap gtrs? Is that a thing?

[B]

I don't think people want to do that. It's a really stout dual clutch. It is a really stout dual clutch. It handles a lot of power, like a lot. A lot of the early ones had some troubles, but it is a lot.

[C]

And so many of them are built for straight line speed. They just are numbers. They're numbered.

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[B]

I want to discuss. Three more things. Maybe in terms of market reports or high. It's a longer market report today. The Mega Cruiser. Can you pull up the Mega Cruiser? We sold a Mega.

[A]

We love the Mega.

[B]

Remember the Land Cruiser cruises Land The Mega Cruiser cruises.

[C]

Mega Mega.

[B]

We sold the mega cruiser for 115,000 United States. It was a civilian car up in Oregon, right hand drive. Not a lot of these come up and sell. No, bring the trailer. Trailer which is a Different auction platform. They had one. They had a high roof. I don't know if you saw this. They had a high roof civilian car. It really, really fell short of reserve is my guess. It was somewhere in the 80s. It was not as nice as this. It was a more special one because it had like a higher roof, like all the seating. But the market does not love these cars like it did when we had our first one. That left hand drive car that sold for over 300,000. Obviously this is not a left hand drive car. I think that would have helped the value.

[C]

Yeah, I think that has a major.

[B]

But still the mega cruiser type in Mega cruiser. Just so we don't get the Ram Mega cabs. The Mega Cruiser still does do pretty well. The market is still.

[A]

Especially the civilian cars are worth a.

[B]

Ton more than that. Military cars.

[A]

So cool.

[B]

Even with that level of wrap.

[A]

Why don't we own one as a group?

[B]

You can't get tires, you know. Let me tell you something. I'm interested.

[A]

I'm not interested.

[B]

If you find me a tire source.

[A]

Hmm.

[B]

Remember what the engine was used in the other Toyota.

[A]

Yeah. Bus. Yeah.

[B]

You don't know the name of the bus. The coaster. You don't know your Toyotas. That's your problem.

[A]

That is my problem. One of my many problems.

[B]

You don't know your Toyota. Rental car shuttles at the Tokyo airport.

[A]

Which I was on one by the.

[B]

Way like a month ago, driving around in a mega cruiser. Basically. Probably anyway. The Mega cruiser cruise is mega. I still think they're the coolest things in the world.

[A]

Since we were talking about bring the trailer. Our mega cruiser results beat the there day and day.

[B]

You got a. Folks, if you got a mega cruiser and you need to sell it, you come to cars and bids. We are your Mega Cruiser source. We have auctioned seven and I don't say we've sold seven because the one of them was twice and a couple of them didn't sell. But if you want to sell your.

[A]

Mega cruiser, you will get more money on our site just like you will for GTC for Luca.

[B]

Let's pull up that GTC4.

[C]

Yeah, that was quite.

[B]

You see that result?

[C]

Yes, I did.

[B]

We had a. We. We've sold a lot of Ferraris now.

[A]

We, we're.

[B]

We're big Ferrari sellers.

[C]

We're.

[B]

We're basically as good as Ferrari of Hawaii, if not better. And we have a GT4. Lusso. Go back to the thing. What did it sell for? It sold for 246,000 United States dollars. This was a V12 Lusso. So this is like the dream.

[A]

You notice we didn't say V12 V8T or as they were.

[B]

Is that what they were called? They were called T. Yeah.

[C]

And the only way we. We talked about this, the only way to know that it was different is that on the passenger side, on the, under the glove box here, where it says GT4C Lusso, it said GT4 Suzu. So t really only visual distinguishing thing between the two cars. You can't, you can't tell once you hear it start. That's it.

[B]

Really.

[C]

Yep. They. I don't know why they did that, I think, but I guess Ferrari. Ferrari didn't want to cheapen their models anyway.

[B]

246,000 United States dollars. Big result, by the way.

[A]

Bring a trailer that the day after the trailer.

[B]

I don't know.

[A]

The policy is bringing the trailer, find the trailer. Sold. An 8,000 mile 2018 GTC4 Lusso. So one that should theoretically be a G12. Yeah. Should theoretically be more desirable for 224. So notably lower than those results. Similar options.

[B]

We get all the money. If you're. Listen, if you're selling your V12 GTC for Lusso or Mega Cruiser, we're making a pitch to you. Or a few other cars for those people out there. Or similar car. Like. Or like just Eddy car. Oh, like an M3. Okay, so Mega Cruisers 911, there's 12 to 15 of you in the country. V12 GTC for Lussos. There's 100 of you. Or if you have any other car.

[A]

Yeah. There's millions of you.

[C]

Well sold, gentlemen. Well sold.

[B]

No, really. But if you got a mega and if you have a manual Cayenne. The last car I wanted to talk about was manual Cayenne. So a couple of months ago, we had this green manual Cayenne sell on the website, and it sold for 125,000 United States doll. And people were like, that's the fakest thing I ever saw. It wasn't. It was real. It happened. Proving that we sold one the other day for $70,000. Now a lot of people are going to say, wait a minute, Doug. If you sold one for 125,000 and then you sold one for 70,000, that seems like the 125 result is still inflated. But what you fail to Understand is the 70 result is also still inflated in either scenario. This is a $25,000 car, but Porsche people are Porsche people, and they'll pay up. And that was the point that I Made when the first one sold and was like, this is money laundering. It's fake. Well, here's another massive result for one of these cars, proving that if there is a certain contingent of people after a certain contingent of car, they will pay all the money for it, right?

[A]

Yep.

[C]

And if you follow this contingent, we.

[B]

Have another Jet Green live.

[A]

Right.

[B]

What's the mileage on this one?

[C]

88 too.

[B]

Because if you have one of these and you're seeing they're selling for 125,000 or 70,000, you're like, I think I want.

[A]

Also because the. The bring. The place where you might have to bring the trailer has not had the same level of results for these.

[C]

I'm not surprised.

[B]

Really hit and bring. We're the best place. If you have a manual green Cayenne, a Mega Cruiser or a V12 GTC4Lusso. There is no other place to sell it. Fact, we specialize. This is a pretty impressive car. Now I'm thinking about getting into this one because I feel like this is gonna throw for a little less, right?

[A]

125 to 70.

[B]

70. Okay. You start thinking about it like, this is probably gonna be fool me.

[A]

Once two data points make a trend.

[B]

You don't get fooled again.

[C]

You can't get fooled again.

[B]

Like in Tennessee. Saying in Tennessee.

[C]

I think they have it in Texas too.

[B]

The second sale, the green one, was pretty impressed at 70,000. And it does prove that there's a lot of market for this. I will say I was very charmed by the owner who posted only a couple of comments. He let the car stand on its own, which is fine. But he posted the very first comment on the auction was he went into the Porsche dealer in New York City or New York State in the Hamptons, I think here. Yeah. I went in the New York in Southampton, and I was sitting in the car, realized it was a manual. And I asked the salesman, is this real? And he said, yes. Didn't like that one. He ordered one Jet Green with an umber and cream leather interior. He ordered this car new from the factory. Factory. And all these years later, it paid off, he said. When I took ownership, he told me it was the last manual off the line. Leipzig. That wouldn't surprise me if it was true. It's probably never going to be able to be proven, but it is a 14, which was the final model year of this car. Pretty cool.

[C]

Very cool.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

By the way, the owner, the person that bought the first Jet green one, commented on that auction, all you dorks thought I Overpaid. I think he's happy with his purchase.

[B]

He should be happy with his purchase. Purchase. He got a slightly better spec car. This car is also very cool. The one that's come up, actually, each one has been successively a little bit worse. The first one was the best one. This.

[A]

You're the seller of the current one. Don't worry.

[B]

The third one, the current one, has the highest mileage and the lowest. The lowest option content. I still think it's super cool.

[A]

So cool.

[B]

And these are very special cars. And I'm super into, man. If you have a yellow one and if you don't sell it on cars and bids, you are nothing. You are Filippo's Chris Christmas sweater.

[A]

I will say the one that's currently live has soft ruffled seat centers.

[B]

Go to see it.

[A]

Let's see it. Just looking at the option.

[B]

Oh, wow.

[C]

They are ruffled.

[A]

What an option. Wow.

[B]

Kenan, you ever ruffle your seat centers? Why is this.

[A]

You worked at Porsche. You were responsible for this.

[B]

People did this stuff, dude. I don't know. What year is it? 14. I was not responsible for it. I left. By then I had quit to go start a website called Cars. The bids.

[A]

Bids.

[B]

The cars. Bring the. Okay, we gotta move on to questions.

[A]

You really do.

[B]

Sean hates me. Sean's like, can't you just. Can't you just advertise for your own business, Please? It benefits you. Why don't you just do it? That is what he's thinking.

[A]

That's what everybody listening is thinking, too.

[B]

Can you please just say what I wrote? Please? All right, we get questions. The questions today, this week are. You'll see in a second.

[C]

Whoa.

[B]

The questions this week are perfect. If you want to ask us a question, you go to carsandbids.com, you click on the community tab. There'll be a post there that says, ask us questions. Please ask us questions. I am now scrolling through every single question, trying to find the best ones. I spent 45 minutes on this and found the best questions. Some of them were deep, dude, deep. And the first one is definitely the best one.

[A]

Insane.

[B]

Go to the questions, please. First question comes from Faisal Alumayd. He says, hello, Doug Cannon and Filippo. Here it is. Pull up the page. Picture. I hope you're doing well. Wanted to say hello and share some exciting news. As a longtime viewer of the channel, I thought it'd be nice to let you know that I recently became the new owner of the Renault concept car, which was sold this Sunday at the Renault factory outside Paris. And he says a little bit more, he's going to take it to Dubai. So he says now I will say there's no proof he bought it. This is the, this is the picture from the auction court. Like it. That doesn't mean that this dude actually bought it. He may have just posted that. Like anybody could have gone in and taken this picture. We talked about this. The concept auction last last week. Renault sold a bunch of their concept cars, none of which were attractive or desirable. I all of them respectfully disagree. This one's had a 4 to €6,000 estimate and sold for €25,000.

[A]

Wow. Well, €21,000. $25,000.

[B]

I can't speak to the exact amount. Looking it up right now, radically higher than it should have been. However, I also would have paid that much. Kenan, do you have any regrets that we didn't end up with this car?

[C]

Tons, loads.

[A]

Can I?

[C]

It would be cool.

[B]

Looks like, like a bison. It just is a bison.

[C]

It just is a bison.

[A]

Can I share some other results from that auction? The Cleo six wheel pickup, 19,000 Euro. Way too much, way too little.

[C]

What about the one with all the doors? I want to know.

[B]

That sold for nothing.

[A]

I'll get good. The, the Kangu breakup concept for 24,000.

[B]

That was the other expensive one. Everything else kind of sold within the estimate which was nothing. Basically nothing. I got to find every car was estimated at like the cars were like 4 to 6,000 Euro and the scale models were like 1 to 2,000. The car, the difference between a car and a scale model at auction was pretty minimal.

[A]

The one with all the doors, the Renault 21 that had all the doors and another car mounted on the trunk sold for 1445.

[C]

Like I said, what a value you get. All those doors and an extra car.

[B]

That is going to go into a junkyard in France for parts. I promise you that is not an enthusiast. Did not buy that car and would not buy that car.

[A]

These are. So why do we not live in France currently, like actively live there just to buy these?

[B]

I could name you a hundred reasons.

[A]

The Renault Sports the Spyder prototype, which is the Sports Spider prototype, sells for €23,000.

[B]

A friend of a friend purchased the Renault Alaska, the pickup truck. Really going to try to import it to the US under show or display so you don't have to live in Paris in France to drive these cars. You can have the best of all worlds. You can drive the cars and not live in France. It's kind of the two. No offense by the Way, no offense to our French viewers out there.

[A]

No, we love you.

[B]

We love all, all seven of you in France. And I'll tell you something, if you live in France and if you have a mega cruiser, sell it on cars and bins.

[A]

You know, some of these sold for real money.

[C]

Si, ruple.

[A]

The F1 cars. One of them sold for about a million dollars.

[B]

Well, dude, it's an F1 car. It took Rubens Barrichello across the finish line in the 96 Phoenix Grand Prix with a courageous T strapped to the back.

[A]

Right. The most expensive was the 1997 Renault William FW19 Formula One car for 1.5 million.

[C]

Yeah, it's a serious car.

[A]

It's a serious car.

[B]

96 post courier GTR. So who cares?

[A]

The most expensive, like, real car is a Renault Maxi 5 Turbo prototype for 252,000.

[B]

Next question from UNOS Roadster. Hey, Doug and friends. I guess you guys are the friends. Nick's on the pot. It's just Doug and acquaintances.

[A]

Agreed.

[B]

The E60 M5 is lauded. Lauded. Appreciated for its V10 in a sedan. Why doesn't the C6 Audi RS6 get as much attention and has a more powerful V10, more reliable, same price. Totally agree. Nobody ever talks about that. BMW was like, oh, BMW put a V10 and M5. Yeah. Audi did it in like 10 cars. They took the Lamborghini engine, which everybody's like, it's not old, but it is. They took the Lamborghini engine and they put it in an Audi S6, an S8, an RS6.

[C]

You know why one E60 got with a manual in North America.

[A]

In North America.

[B]

Yeah. But mostly you couldn't. Mostly you couldn't. You could, but mostly you could.

[A]

I.

[C]

But people did.

[A]

Wait, wait, wait, wait. We can't say that it was lauded. Okay. Sure, it's. It's worth twice as much as a C5R6 in that. It's worth. It's not like it's like, appreciated by the market.

[B]

No, but people talk about the M5 like, oh, my God, they put a V10, the M5. But nobody ever talks about the fact that Audi did it in like a dozen cars and it was also in a Lamborghini.

[C]

Yeah. I think that's no offense to the Audi. I think the M5 badge is a little bit more historically notable, and that is why it's.

[B]

I also think the fact that the M5 was kind of spicier to own, to drive, to experience helped. Like the. When I think of that Rs6, I think of like an autobahn cruiser kind of. The M5 was a peaky, unreliable, temperamental, crazy thing in a way. The Audi just wasn't.

[C]

It just. Yeah, it had more flair like that.

[B]

The Audi almost hurts itself because it was relatively subtle. To me, I would rather have owned the Audi, but the Audi almost hurts itself because it was like better kind of.

[C]

Yeah. Just dynamically. I think at the time also, it just wasn't. I think E60 chassis. Amazing.

[B]

That's true also. That is certainly True.

[A]

Also.

[B]

The E60 was dynamically a better car. Sequential manual and manual were better than any torque converter.

[A]

That's.

[B]

Those are also.

[A]

Can I ask a real question?

[B]

Also it was never sold in the U.S. it's important to also keep in mind a lot of the enthusiasm for the E60 M5 comes out of the States because there was a stick and because there's a lot of following for that car. And we never did get that R6 in the States. We did get V10 Audis in the States, but they never had as much power as the M5.

[C]

That's right.

[A]

Right. Do you think that it would also help BMW that it had a different gear selector? The automatic M5 did not have the traditional.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Prndl gear selector the other a 60s had.

[B]

Yeah, it was. It was the.

[A]

The. The RS6 had a ton of power for torque. About the normal gear shifter. No.

[B]

I don't know if physical gear shifter any difference at all.

[A]

Don't you think it kind of does?

[B]

I do not think that.

[A]

Sportier. It was like a sportier.

[C]

I like this. This is what Filippo's focused on his thing now. To be clear, you could also get the standard E60 with SMG. You get the 535.

[B]

One of them.

[A]

Did anybody you in the States?

[C]

I've driven.

[B]

It happened in the States.

[C]

It was terrible.

[B]

I remember they offered the E46 with that, but I didn't know they offered the E6.

[C]

They offered the E6. They have a tradition of doing weird transmissions like that normal cars because you get a dual clutch from the E90 M3 in the 335 IS.

[B]

IS.

[C]

No idea why you could.

[B]

But yes, that's the cool thing about that car.

[C]

The E. Yeah.

[B]

And Then it had 335 IS badges on the fender.

[C]

That's right. And those unusual wheels. But like. But the. Yes, you could get smg. Maybe it was even in the 550 you could get smg, but very uncommon for obvious reasons.

[A]

I think it helped.

[C]

Anyway.

[B]

Next question from Stubbled CRT1. Hey, Doug, you've stated before that you saved the really good videos for Doug Sember for higher ad revenue. That's now, folks.

[A]

Right now.

[B]

Watch the videos.

[A]

Like, watch them like, in December, please.

[B]

Yeah, watch them in December.

[A]

If you.

[B]

If you're watching in January, I don't need those views.

[A]

We're joking.

[B]

Just curious how long you have sat on a Doug Sember video. Like, I film them way before and then kind of try to build out a good month. It's really mid. Mid November to the end of December because the ad rates start to get high late November, Black Friday, etc. When people are starting to spend money. I've sat on them for a long time, but never insane. Usually the car owner is like, yo, man, you posting this? Like, what's going on here? And so I eventually kind of am like, oh, sorry, I'll put it up. And then I do. But I think probably I've sat on him for six months. I got no problem with that.

[A]

Can we talk about two big errors?

[B]

Yeah, what you got?

[A]

All right, look up Doug's Ford F650 video, which went up just January 3rd years ago.

[B]

Oh, yeah, one of December 26th did it.

[A]

I thought that. I thought it was later than that.

[B]

No, that video was the greatest decision.

[C]

Sometimes it's hard to type.

[A]

What a good. That video, by the way, still delivers 17 million. Dude, the second big mistake. I seem to recall, years ago at this point, you filmed a Saturn S series, an SL one.

[B]

You're bringing this up.

[A]

I'm bringing it up. We need to talk about it. Finally.

[B]

Hey, Kenan's like, where is he? Where is he?

[A]

Watch.

[B]

We give it a second. I come out from behind it.

[A]

When's that video coming out, Doug?

[B]

I filmed a set. All right, let me tell you what happened. I'm going to explain it. Everybody asked me about this. I'm just going to explain it.

[A]

There is no video. Oh, there is no. Tell me that much.

[B]

I'm going to explain it. Here's what happened.

[A]

All right?

[B]

I, many years ago, type in Doug Demiro430 Scooteria. Many years ago, I filmed a video fellow. I went up, I think he was in Orange county of a 430scoot. And it was. And we sold it on the site, and it was an awesome car. And the dude was super nice, and he said, hey, man, by the way, if you want to come up and film my 430 scoot, that's great. But I also have an original Saturn SL you can film. And I was like, okay, so I filmed the 430scoot. It went up a few weeks later, sold it on the site like normal. And I was also like, why not film the Saturn SL too? So I filmed the Saturn SL also. There was that one. I filmed the Saturn SL also and it's just never gone up.

[C]

When was this?

[B]

This was end of 20. So I've been sitting on that video for three, three years.

[A]

Some of us love the Saturn SL.

[B]

I'll tell you this. You know, when I go away for the summer, I like put build up a lot of videos beforehand so I don't film over the summer. This summer that video made it on the schedule and I even recorded a voiceover for it for the end. It made it on the schedule, but then it got pushed.

[A]

I love the first gen Saturn sl.

[B]

It's a good video. It's a good video. It's a shame the video hasn't come out. Anyway. A good car.

[A]

Love the Saturn sl.

[C]

Do you feel like because you haven't released it now you're just like obligated to hold onto it?

[B]

It's become kind of a meme, like the F50.

[A]

That entire question was just for Die Hard Doug fans. You're welcome.

[B]

Because I've teased it here and there. It's shown up in like teaser shots.

[A]

There was an Instagram post in 2022.

[B]

That's right.

[A]

Still think about that post.

[B]

Next question from IanJ. Doug, I watched the smoking tire pod you were on and I heard you and Matt mention forever cars. Are any of your supercars forever cars willing to replace those cars in the future or sell them out? Rep, I want to be really clear on this. I answer this question every single time it comes up in the same way. And I want to be really clear. None of my cars are forever cars. They will all someday be sold. And I know that when I sell the Courier gt, I know someday people are going to be like, you said you'd never sell it. And I have never said that. And I do not believe that. I am not a collector. I do not want to accumulate these things forever. They will all someday be sold. It may be a long time in maybe 10 years, maybe 20 years. There is no such thing in my life as a forever car. It's at some point I will no longer get the pleasure out of driving it. I'll be old like Filippo is mentally, and I will no longer want to use these cars. There is no forever car in my world. They will all go eventually. Yes. Even the Carrera gt, which I love so much and I have such a history. Someday it will sell. So when I sell it, and you see all the comments you said you'd never sell, just remember I'm saying here that I will. And I've always maintained this position. Have I ever said anything different?

[C]

No.

[A]

Are you worried that, like Hoover, you'll remember that you owe a tax bill like April 14 and then sell them in a hurry?

[B]

No. I'm a W2 of 40, just as you are.

[C]

If you had to put money on which one you keep the longest in.

[B]

Totality, I honestly don't know.

[C]

I think it's the one that's behind me.

[B]

I vacillate.

[C]

You do? Yes, you do.

[B]

The career GT I really would like to own forever, but I have a suspicion that one day it will be simply too valuable for me to keep. I will. I am not as wealthy as a lot of my career GT compatriots. And like a lot of McLaren F1 owners are doing right now, the car they bought for 4 million is suddenly worth 30 million. Their net worth is 50 million. And they're sitting here thinking, this car is.

[C]

Yeah, I get it.

[B]

Like, this is insane. Like, I need to unload this thing. And I wouldn't be entirely surprised if that car. The courage, if that car. I don't think this is ever going to really appreciate crazily. If the courier GT ends up at 3, 4, 5 million, like the F50, et cetera, at some point, I will no longer enjoy using it. And it will make. I would just rather have the money. I have a suspicion, and the memories. I've already put 5,000 miles on the Courrero GT. I will probably put another 10,000 on 15. I don't know. And I will always be able to say, hey, I had this car, it was really cool. But at some dollar level, I just can no longer justify it. It simply loses the main thing that attracted me to it, which is the. The enjoyment factor.

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Yep.

[B]

I have a suspicion that one goes first.

[A]

You have had the 4 GT for seven years of this.

[B]

Seven and a half years. In the 4 GT got an early start.

[A]

Too bad it's going to be gone soon.

[B]

You think it's gone?

[A]

Well, I've seen you talk about the 993.

[B]

I know. I'm worried.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I haven't even considered selling the Ford GT, though. It's not even, like, been thought of yet. 4 GT is. My cost basis is zero. It's incredibly reliable and it's on an upswing. Like, there's no reason to sell it. It doesn't. And we have have endless space. Like there's literally no reason to get rid of it.

[C]

And like you talked about, one of the big reasons you have the993 is so your kids can ride around on it. But those rear seats are small and they will outgrow those seats and someday.

[B]

They'Ll be able to ride in the.

[C]

Ride in the big car. Exactly.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

And I think then, yes, hold the Ford GT for a while.

[B]

No, Ford GT definitely is a hold. I'm going to take it to cards and coffee.

[A]

Also, it's your most powerful car.

[B]

Yeah, it is. It's definitely the scariest. Next question from Nicknick. Not the regular Nick, the underscore. Hello, Doug, You've expressed interest in the new G wagon Cabriolet for some time now. You also said on last week's pod you're seriously considering buying it. My question is, do you really want to drive across country in that thing? No, I've decided I'm not going to do it. It's just. I just. I've been thinking about who's going to end up in that car and it's just not me. It's just not me.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

I'm going to keep the old one. Hopefully people will see it as kind of cool and vintage. I have a suspicion that when I'm driving around on the old one and the new one comes out, people are going to be like, oh, there's the Jeep, you know, like, like. Yeah, but I just. You're right. Underscore. Nick. I cannot. It's just not me. That car is not me. It just isn't. I just know the level of real housewife that's going to own the convertible G wagon and I just cannot participate. I'm out. You heard it here first. Next question from two shirts. Love you guys. Thank you, Kenner.

[C]

Thank you.

[A]

Oh, how sweet.

[C]

I only have one shirt today.

[B]

Have you ever considered you only find cars so exhilarating because you aren't into motorcycles? Would you be over willing open to learn to ride?

[A]

No, I know how to ride.

[B]

You ride bikes?

[C]

Bicycle?

[B]

No. You got a motorcycle license?

[A]

I don't, I don't have a motor license that has not historically stopped me on private roads.

[B]

Private roads? Yeah. Yeah. Is that right?

[C]

I like bikes. I like. I, I don't know much about them. My grandfather has a 1931 Indian 101B Scout which is a great pre war bike. He's had it since he was like 6, 16. He's 96 still have the family. My cousin finished a restoration on it. I've coasted it down the driveway once. I've never ridden it. I would like to, but, you know, I like those kind of bikes. But in California, I'm just too afraid to use a motorcycle. It's just too dangerous. Lane splitting is crazy in Nebraska.

[B]

He's like, I'm all over it.

[C]

I got wide open roads here. I. I don't know. I just. Motorcycles just aren't. I understand the appeal of a motorcycle. I'm too afraid to get involved with that.

[A]

Also know that except for Ken, that's also. We're not, like, going after speed. That's not our, like, style of driving. If we were, we would all own Huracan that are twin turbocharged or EVs or whatever. Right. Like, that is not what we're now. EVs five years ago. Huracans.

[B]

He would argue, though, that it's still super fun.

[A]

It is.

[C]

The experience of being exposed to my.

[B]

Argument is a safety one. Ever since I had kids, I stopped doing a lot of stuff, and I have zero interest in riding a motorcycle. Literally zero interest riding a motorcycle for that reason alone, even if I thought it was really cool.

[C]

What's the. You stopped doing. You're not doing. You're not tightrope walking.

[B]

I sold that yellow truck. You should see the stuff. I, like, don't take any risks anymore. I just. My children should have a father, and motorcycles are scary. They're legitimately dangerous. And all the motorcycle people in the world would be like, they're not that dangerous. And then some of them die.

[C]

Yeah, well, yeah, exactly. They're not allowed to argue anymore.

[B]

I just don't think that there's a reason to take the risk. There's too much to lose. I'm not willing to do it, no matter how fun they are. And I'm sure they are fun, but I'm in a stage in my life where fun and risk have kind of swapped and it's not really worth, like, I don't find the. It could be the funnest thing in the world. And to me, it isn't worth the risk anymore. There probably was a time where I maybe should have pursued that, but I didn't.

[C]

Also, your frame, like, be odd to see you on a motorcycle.

[B]

Filippo and I are Moto Guzzi enthusiasts.

[A]

We are. My father had one when I.

[C]

Of course.

[B]

All right, two more. We're doing two more. We're doing two more. We're doing two more. We're doing two more. Two More, two more, two more number from Mozzie Meister, Doug and friends. I have a question about the Sequoia. If Toyota had sold the GR Sport 300 Series Land Cruiser in the US even with the tariffs that you'd bought it. Yes. Without even the slightest question, I undoubtedly, period, would have bought that car. I wouldn't have bought the GR Sport because I think it's heinous, but I would have bought whatever the most off roady version of the Land cruiser is, period.

[A]

LX700H overtrail. You own one?

[B]

There wasn't that option when I bought the Sequoia, but there is now a 300 series and I'm kind of off it. I. I've driven the Sequoia more and more and I'm like into the Sequoia again. The Sequoia is the Land Cruiser of the modern era.

[A]

The LX600 existed when you buy the Land Cruiser.

[B]

Yeah, but it was a stupid hybrid and there was no off road version. Now it's real. Now there's like a good hybrid and there is an off road version and it has, it has crawl control and not be tires. Final question and this one is more for Kenan from Liam Sell. I was glad to hear you talk about the Aston Martin Vanquish as Agato shooting break on the Smoking Tire podcast. You want to pull it up? Let's see it. Let's see this. You know this car? Of course you do not. I absolutely never seen anything.

[A]

I know everything. Hatchback related.

[C]

Everything, Everything. What do you know about the A12 Competenciana?

[B]

I watched your review of it years ago and it's been on my list of dream cars ever since. Mine too. I always thought it was completely unobtainable, but as you pointed out, they're already selling for half, less than half of their original msrp. What do you think their price floor is and how much do you think they're worth it? I'll tell you this. They were 900 new, they're selling for 400. I don't ever have any interest in buying an automatic as a fun car. Like zero interest in it. Because if I want to have fun, I want to go out and have a whole experience. There's about three exceptions to that and this is one of them. If this car got into a price point, I think it's just so cool. Zagato did a station wagon of a V12 Aston Martin. It makes no sense. It's an M coupe, but done by Zagato and Aston Martin with a V12. It's absurd.

[C]

How about the GTC4 Lusso?

[A]

Right. But twice the price.

[B]

But this is. There's only 100 of these in the world and it's a Zagato special edition. There's probably only 20 of these.

[C]

I agree.

[B]

It's a very special edition. It's cool as hell. 400 is not my number though. But if you. If I could. If I could be interested in one of these, I. I would talk about one of these at about the 993 turbos, number 225, 250. I would talk about it for sure.

[C]

I wouldn't be surprised if it gets there.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You know, if I could get a 177 square steering wheel in it.

[C]

You get that?

[B]

Yes.

[C]

Which came in the Vanquish anyway.

[B]

As an option.

[C]

No, I think it was standard.

[B]

I wouldn't want to deviate from the build.

[C]

I'm.

[B]

This is. This is a historical car, Filippo. Historical.

[C]

I'm pretty confident.

[B]

Historical in its. Look at that steering with square fo. It's square.

[C]

Pretty sure that was. That's the standard steering.

[B]

I know what you're sitting there thinking. It isn't square, but I'm telling you, man, when you use it, it is square.

[C]

You don't have.

[B]

It looks like a circle, but it's deceptive. That's how they get you.

[C]

It's a square with round edges.

[A]

Like a PEO 208. Sure.

[B]

Excuse me. That's PEO. Is that what. He said that very often, the old peo.

[A]

I said that all.

[B]

Filippo, do you have any. Any final thoughts for us?

[A]

Come sell your car on cars and bids.

[B]

Cars and bids. It's the greatest website. If you have a Mega Cruiser or a vanquished Zagato shooting break, I promise you, if you have a vanquished Zagato shooting break, we'll get you every bit of what it's worth. $316,000.

[C]

Car's the bids.

[B]

Sell it there and that's that. Goodbye is one of our finest pot. Not our finest close. There was that great whistle and diesel Montana.

[A]

That one.

[B]

That's great. Go watch that one.

[A]

Good.

[B]

And have a good December, everybody. Goodbye.

[C]

Goodbye.

[B]

Don't clap.

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