New McLaren F1 Is Not A McLaren, Doug Goes Carspotting In His Countach, WRXs Ranked! THISCARPOD! 74

Summary

THIS CAR POD! with Doug DeMuro & Friends!

Episode 74 – "New McLaren F1 Is Not A McLaren, Doug Goes Carspotting In His Countach, WRXs Ranked!"

Date: August 22, 2025
Hosts: Doug DeMuro, Kenan, Filippo

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Overview

This episode dives deep into the latest developments in the automotive world, featuring hot debates on restomods and one-off supercars, candid takes on subscription-based car features, exclusive Monterey Car Week stories (including epic carspotting in Doug’s Lamborghini Countach), fresh market insights on enthusiast cars, and the fiery ranking of Subaru WRX generations. The trio’s signature sense of humor, inside industry knowledge, and unfiltered opinions make this a rich listen for car geeks and casual enthusiasts alike.

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Main Discussion Points & Insights

1. The "New McLaren F1"—Gordon Murray GMA S1 LM

• [01:35–04:47]
  • Kenan introduces the Gordon Murray Automotive (GMA) S1 LM, built in a batch of five, essentially a “five-off” inspired by the legendary McLaren F1, which Gordon Murray himself designed.
  • Shares mechanical details: Larger Cosworth V12 (now 4.3L, 690+ hp), 3-seat layout, reminiscent LM-script badging.
  • All five are rumored to be sold to the same individual for $15 million each (totaling roughly $60 million).
    Doug: “Throw one in for free. The point remains. There’s now a new McLaren F1 center seat.” [03:21]
  • The crew banters about restomods, with Doug noting the explosion of such projects: "There's now a restomod for everything... This is after Singer, after Icon – Gordon Murray's restomodded his own thing." [02:25]
  • Mixed feelings on the ethics of making such a close F1 “remake” outside the McLaren brand, but general consensus: it’s a very cool car.

2. Roush-ified Nissan Frontier: Underwhelming or Just Enough?

• [05:01–08:10]
  • Filippo unveils the news: Roush has tuned the Nissan Frontier (dubbed Pro 4XR), but power remains flat at 310 hp (3.8L V6).
  • Suspension upgrades include Öhlins components and a 2-inch lift, but no forced induction or significant performance jump.
  • Doug's take: “Nissan has already extracted every inch of horsepower out of whatever motor powers the Frontier... Impossible to improve upon the engineering prowess from when they designed this powertrain in 2007.” [05:52]
  • Lighthearted reminiscence about days when Toyota sold TRD superchargers at the dealer; wish Nissan would do the same.

3. Volkswagen’s Subscription-Based Horsepower in the UK

• [08:17–14:30]
  • Filippo reports VW is offering a monthly (or lifetime) subscription for more horsepower in the ID.3 EV (an extra 27 hp for £16.50/month or £649 for “eternity”).
  • Spirited debate: is this nickel-and-diming, or rational pay-for-what-you-use?
    Doug: “Would you pay 20 bucks to have 25 more horses?” [10:32]
    Kenan: “I just want all the power all the time.” [12:06]
  • Broader concern: does this open the floodgates to more unwanted car feature subscriptions (mirrors, heated seats, etc.)?

4. Ford’s Off-Road Supercar Ambitions

• [15:44–20:22]
  • Filippo recounts Ford CEO Jim Farley’s stated interest in building a “Dakar-competitive,” ~$300k off-road supercar.
  • Doug’s dream: “What I want—modernize the ’05-’06 GT, lift it 7 inches, four-wheel drive, bull bar and three overhead roof lights, double the horsepower—commit more!” [18:15]
  • Skepticism on sales, but excitement about future collectible status for such one-offs.

5. Cadillac Curated: Ultra-Bespoke Paint & Interiors

• [20:24–23:56]
  • Doug introduces “Curated by Cadillac”: bespoke paint (e.g., Gulf Blue) and interior for the CT5-V Blackwing at a cost of ~$58,000 over the $100,000 base car.
  • Comparison to Porsche’s “paint-to-sample” – the hosts speculate these will become future collectibles (“the split-window of the modern era”).
  • Only a handful will exist; rarity likely to drive value decades into the future.

6. Monterey Car Week Carspotting: Chaos, Law & Countach Adventures

• [25:36–42:48]
  • Doug, Filippo, and Kenan provide an insider’s wrap-up:
    • Police only targeted egregiously loud or modified cars; classic/rare supercars like Doug’s Countach went unbothered.
    • Doug: “The police pulled over the right people. I saw nary an unmodified car get pulled over.”
    • Epic car-spotter moments: insane parking lots, spotting a Pajero Evo alongside a Countach, Gumpert Apollo cameos, and the fever-dream atmosphere.
    • Doug’s Countach did 200+ miles without complaint: “It continues to be a reliable car… Just had to let the starter cool off a couple times after traffic.” [38:09]
    • Highlights: Kenan crossing 250,000 miles in his M5; plethora of F50 Ferraris; best free activity is sitting roadside during the Tour day to see all the cars drive by.

7. Press Car Review: Rivian R1S Quad-Motor

• [43:47–48:24]
  • Filippo shares his 1,400-mile road trip in a new Rivian R1S (quad-motor, 1,025hp): “My favorite new regular car interior—stunning blue and brown natural wood. Not quite Range Rover plush, but more my vibe.”
  • Adaptive cruise only works on mapped highways (a gripe), but overall EV road trip experience was painless: “For road trips, just a little more stop time, but you get used to it.” [47:14]
  • All hosts agree: the R1S is an astoundingly well-rounded vehicle.

8. Market Report – Enthusiast Car Highlights

• [48:36–58:41]
  • E61 M5 Touring Build: Meticulous E61 M5 wagon (manual swapped, every factory option sourced, even rare M-specific foam) pulled $80k.
    Kenan: “He even got the styrofoam… took three months to track down.” [49:59]
  • Gulf Blue E63 AMG Wagon: One-off color, sold for $135k and appreciating, showing strength in the rare-wagon market.
  • Gallardo Bargains: Early Gallardos with low mileage now $95k-100k.
    Doug: “It’s not necessarily beautiful, but it’s so exotic… It’s starting to look like an old-school Lambo, which is kinda cool.” [55:53]
  • Wider reflection: well-built, rare color or “enthusiast-spec” versions command premiums and are strong future collectibles.

9. Porsche GT4 Market Musings

• [59:43–64:23]
  • Filippo perplexed by 9-year-old, 30k-mi 2016 GT4 (PTS “Gray Black”, with carbon buckets) selling for $108,500—above original MSRP.
  • Doug explains: “Porsche people… The only way to distinguish is by options, colors, stitching. That’s how you flex at events.” [62:07]
  • Buckets and rare paint drive value, regardless of mileage.

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Quotes & Timestamp Highlights

• On the GMA S1 LM (not McLaren F1):

  • Doug: “Throw one in for free. The point remains. There’s now a new McLaren F1 center seat.” [03:21]
  • Kenan: “It’s called the S1LM. If you say it fast enough… F1. S1. F1. S1.” [03:59]

• On subscription-based car features:

  • Filippo: “You pay from November to March and then you don’t.” [11:14]
  • Doug: “Do you think at some point Ford will allow you to pay for towing as a subscription?” [09:55]

• On Monterey police:

  • Doug: “The police pulled over the right people. I saw nary an unmodified car get pulled over.” [26:14]

• Rivian R1S review:

  • Filippo: “Legitimately, the interior might be my favorite new regular car interior… Performance is insane.” [44:24]

• Lamborghini Gallardo’s future:

  • Doug: “It’s not necessarily beautiful, but it’s so exotic… It’s starting to look like an old-school Lambo.” [55:53]

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WRX Generations: The Definitive THISCARPOD™ Ranking

(Segment starts ~[82:34])

• The Big Debate:
  • All agree: The 3rd gen ("worst WRX") is at the bottom overall (though the STI hatch version is beloved).
  • 2nd Generation (2002–2007) crowned the winner: Doug: “The second gen… changed the world.” [87:13]
  • 1st gen revered for its pioneering AWD turbo setup; the current-gen praised for its driving feel; 4th gen "right behind" the top picks.
  • Unable to fully rank, as all have distinct merits: Doug: “The best is a four-way tie between the first, second, fourth, and fifth…” [91:00]

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Noteworthy/Lighthearted Moments

• Doug’s barefoot Countach driving myth:
  Addressed yet again: “Feet too big for the pedal box—if I wear shoes, I’ll hit both pedals. It’s just how it is for me.” [75:13]
• Harry Metcalfe Fanboying:
  Doug’s personal hero moment: “He doesn’t need to do a YouTube channel for money. He just does it for fun, and it’s great…” [33:10]
• Hardcore nerd stuff:
  • License plate histories, intricacies of M5 wagon VIN conversions, and Porsche option code etiquette.
  • Filippo’s $1 Kia Spectra: “Edmunds thought it was worth negative $37, but I swear it was worth a dollar.” [73:23]
• Closing:
  Doug: “Goodbye, everyone. It’s the greatest podcast we’ve ever done.” [91:09]

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Episode Flow & Timestamps

• Main News & Opinions: [01:35–23:56]
• Car Week Wrap & Carspotting: [25:36–42:48]
• Rivian R1S Review: [43:47–48:24]
• Market Report: [48:36–64:23]
• Audience Q&A & License Plate Lore: [65:12–73:47]
• WRX Ranking Debate: [82:34–91:09]

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If you love candid car talk, enthusiast nerd-outs, and want the skinny on what’s hot in the collector car world—don’t miss this ep!

(For deeper dives, timestamps above can guide you to your favorite segments.)

Transcript

[Filippo]

Vivies para viajar con tus amigos Vivimos.

[Doug]

Para frecer paquetes de huelo yo tel pormenos expedia Bibi mos paraviajar Paquetes expedia Vivies paradis frutar de la musica contodos tu centidos Vivimos parabrindarte Paquetes experiencias pormenos Expedia Vivimos parabiajar. Hello and welcome to this car pod.

[Kenan]

I'm Kenan.

[Filippo]

I'm Felipe and we've rejoined.

[Doug]

We're back here together in the office. Although we were back here together last last week when we did a podcast with RJ Scaringe, the founder and chief executive of Rivian and Flippa's older brother.

[Filippo]

Yeah, apparently we look alike.

[Kenan]

I mean, there's a lot of similarities.

[Filippo]

There were also comments that he's my younger brother, which is a little rude because notably younger, it turns out we did that pod.

[Doug]

Go watch it if you haven't yet. But on this pod, we begin with.

[Filippo]

Wait, can I say one other news? Last week we were all at Monterey Car Week and a lot of people came up and said hi to Doug, to Ken and to myself. Thank you for saying hi. And just for like, I got more on that later.

[Doug]

We'll cover it later. Move on to the news. And the first news story is.

[Kenan]

Yes. Something that was revealed at the Quill. This is the GMAS1LM. This is the Gordon Mary Academy, as you so call it. Well, they have a. They have a subsect of their academy called Gordon Mary Special Vehicles, which is going to be building one off projects. And that is exactly what this is.

[Doug]

Well, not really.

[Kenan]

Now some people. Well, not exactly, considering they're going to build five of them.

[Doug]

It's a five off.

[Kenan]

It's a five off, but there's no word in English. We'll call it a 5 off, I guess, but, you know. So this car, it's quite special, but underneath uses a lot of the stuff from the T50. It uses a larger version of the Cosworth V12, goes up to 4.3 liters, makes over 690 horsepower. But it has a lot in common with another car that Gordon Murray worked on and that would be the McLaren F1. It looks not identical, but dang close.

[Doug]

Modern reinterpretation of Clarence 1. We were in Quail and there's now a restomod for everything. There was a Ferrari 400 Restomod. There was a 928 Restomod. There's those Lancia Stratos, Resto mods. This is after the success of Icon and Singer. Right. Icon with the Land Cruiser, Singer with the Porsche. Everybody's coming to do restomods. Gordon Murray. Gordon Murray Academy has done a restomod of his own vehicle.

[Kenan]

Right. Pretty impressive, Bolt.

[Doug]

Some would say they're building five of these. They're all being sold to the same individual.

[Kenan]

Same individual, allegedly for around $15 million a car.

[Doug]

15 million a car. So the thinking is that GMA, in order to raise some funds, worked with this guy. He gave him 60 mil. 60 million. And he got some cars out of it, which probably didn't cost anywhere near 60 million to build since it's largely the same as the T50.75.

[Filippo]

I apologize. I did it for four. My bad. Wow, Flippo, I was relying on you. I know.

[Kenan]

Flippa's wife was a math teacher.

[Doug]

Something.

[Filippo]

You buy four, you throw one in for free.

[Doug]

Throw one in for free. The point remains. That may be what happened. But regardless, there's now a new McLaren F1 center seat.

[Kenan]

Yes. Three seats, just like the McLaren F1. I mean, it's got a lot in common. Even the script for LM looks a lot like the McLaren F1LM script. Now, I can't imagine McLaren is too happy about this, that this car looks so similar and was done by the guy who designed it. But nonetheless, it is cool. Some of us feel like this is probably what the T50 should have looked like all along. But nonetheless, nonetheless, it was cool to see it there at the Quail. I liked it personally.

[Doug]

So it's called the S1.

[Filippo]

Yeah. Surprise.

[Kenan]

Like the Invicta S1LM. So if you say. If you say it fast enough. F1. Sm. F1. S1.

[Doug]

F1.

[Kenan]

S1.

[Doug]

F1. S1.

[Filippo]

S1.

[Doug]

F1. How do British people say S? Did they. Do they say, like, zed? Is there something for S?

[Filippo]

No.

[Doug]

Like said.

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[Doug]

Okay. Well, there you go. So we have a new McLaren F1, and we're very excited about the concept of it.

[Filippo]

I will say I, I, I, I saw it revealed. Was there, walked by. I, that was the extent to which I thought about it.

[Doug]

I think it looked cool as I.

[Kenan]

Think, to be honest, I think that's how Filipo viewed most cars at Quill.

[Doug]

I think it looked cool as hell. I'm not a McLaren one guy or McLaren guy or a Gordon Murray guy. My view is GMA, GMC. I don't know.

[Filippo]

Good morning, America.

[Doug]

Good morning, America. Wow.

[Filippo]

But that's the first. That's All I think about same.

[Doug]

But this particular car is very, very, very, very cool.

[Filippo]

It is. It is.

[Kenan]

It is. I have uneasy feelings about, but I generally like it.

[Doug]

We were watching t 50s drive around there at the Monterey Car Week.

[Kenan]

Yeah. We saw someone grind second gear.

[Doug]

Saw second get grinded. So there you go. Okay, next news story, please. Ah, this is a good one.

[Filippo]

Poor news. Story of the week.

[Doug]

Who's taking this? Filippo?

[Filippo]

Certainly me. All right, you're familiar with the Nissan Frontier?

[Doug]

The Frontier, America's favorite pickup truck.

[Filippo]

You're familiar with Roush, the tuning company.

[Doug]

Gerald Roush. Yeah.

[Filippo]

They're.

[Doug]

They. They go.

[Filippo]

They do.

[Doug]

They tune mustangs. They get 700 horsepower out of Mustangs.

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[Doug]

You're telling me there's a Frontier? There's a.

[Filippo]

There's a Roush Frontier.

[Doug]

This is the news we're looking for.

[Filippo]

Instead of it being called the Pro 4X as the regular Frontier Pro edition off road edition is. It's a Pro 4X R. Cool.

[Doug]

Okay.

[Filippo]

And you know what it gives you?

[Doug]

What does it give you?

[Filippo]

Exact same power.

[Doug]

Big power.

[Filippo]

It does give you some actual things. It gives you Ohlin's suspension components, a 2 inch lift, some external gas reservoirs.

[Doug]

You know what I think?

[Filippo]

But no other changes.

[Doug]

I was reading about this earlier. You know what I think? And I'm going to posit this to you and you can decide what you.

[Filippo]

Want to do with it.

[Doug]

Okay. The reason there's not more power is because Nissan has already extracted every inch of horsepower out of whatever motor powers the Frontier. Some sort of ancient V6, probably. And I think that. And I think that it's impossible to improve upon the engineering prowess that they did when designing this powertrain back in 2007.

[Kenan]

That heat engine is as tight on its efficiency curve as it could possibly get.

[Doug]

Gordon Murray, he couldn't. If you let Gordon Murray loose under the hood of this car, even he couldn't get three more horsepower out of it.

[Kenan]

Hell, I mean, he had to gust. I mean, this engine was small. Four liters went to 4.3. That's easy. That's a layup.

[Filippo]

This thing. This is 3.8 liters.

[Doug]

This is a 3.8 liter.

[Filippo]

I can't think of what else it's shared with. Nothing. I think. What.

[Doug]

What power does the New Frontier have?

[Filippo]

The New Frontier has 310 horsepower.

[Doug]

310. That's what I'm telling you. Now, you would think rampaging 310 horse out of a 3.8 liter V6.

[Filippo]

I'm sure rash was thinking, hey, you know, we often supercharge and turbocharged vehicles and here's the one that's naturally aspirated. We can't possibly do anything with that.

[Doug]

It would be cool to see a frontier with a blower on it. I, and I'm sure many of the audience will remember there used to be an Extero with a blower on it from the fact horse and it brought the horsepower from 180 to 210.

[Filippo]

Hey, think about it this way. That's like 27% or 17%. Excuse me.

[Kenan]

Pretty big jump.

[Doug]

Yeah. And, and, and it would have been nice to do something here like bring this horsepower from 310 to 3. 325.

[Filippo]

Yeah, that would have been nice.

[Kenan]

Well, the, the Ohlin stuff sounds kind of legit, but the rest of it seems kind.

[Doug]

Can you buy this at dealers?

[Filippo]

You will be able to. So it's not a dealer installed option. It is truly a, from my understanding, something that Nissan will sell.

[Doug]

But it's something going to be offered by Nissan.

[Filippo]

The Pro 4XR, the Roush ve. Right.

[Kenan]

Nissan, a company continuing to struggle. Ah, this will fix it.

[Filippo]

Well, to be fair.

[Doug]

And then they, they let you put on the blower. Oh, remember when Toyota used to offer TRD superchargers from the dealer?

[Filippo]

Of course.

[Doug]

That would have been cool.

[Kenan]

That would have been cool.

[Filippo]

Doesn't it? Maybe they still do.

[Doug]

People did it. When I lived in Atlanta, there was a guy in my street who had a fourth, a third gen four Runner, which is truly God's chariot. With a, with a trd.

[Filippo]

God's work truck.

[Doug]

That's right. God's two car garage.

[Filippo]

No, no, no.

[Kenan]

The Cross Cabriolet. Forget about that. The ones in there.

[Doug]

Okay, Frontier. Obviously the major news story of the week. But we'll move on to some other lesser news stories. Like for example Volkswagen.

[Kenan]

This must be Filippo. Volkswagen guy.

[Filippo]

Correct. There is a news story out of the UK this week.

[Doug]

The uk?

[Filippo]

The uk which part?

[Kenan]

Wales.

[Filippo]

I actually do assume there's a UK wide situation, but maybe the whole Britain.

[Doug]

And Northern Ireland, they're all.

[Filippo]

I haven't independently confirmed, but I think so. Yes. They are now in one of their models in the ID3 I believe, allowing you to pay for extra horsepower every single month.

[Kenan]

As a subscription.

[Filippo]

As a subscription service. So you can buy an ID3. It has 201 horsepower, but.

[Doug]

Damn. But hot hatch.

[Filippo]

But if you pay £16.50amonth, maybe it is actually just not.

[Doug]

Yeah. What do they give you?

[Filippo]

They give you an extra 27 horsepower.

[Doug]

Whoa.

[Filippo]

For 16 pounds or you can. Which is 165 a year. There's like a discount if you do.

[Doug]

That's a bargain.

[Filippo]

Or £649 for eternity. And it stays with the car.

[Doug]

Okay, I want to say a couple things about this. First off, that's 20 bucks a month. And can you turn off, like, think about this. Okay. You got a month where you're gonna go hard. You. You up the horse.

[Filippo]

Exactly.

[Kenan]

You're going to Donington, increase your power for a little bit.

[Filippo]

Next month, dial it back down 50% more. Basically.

[Kenan]

I don't like this.

[Doug]

$650 perpetually makes sense. I mean, that's what athletic manufacturers have always done. You pay more for more power for a performance package.

[Kenan]

I don't like this.

[Filippo]

I support this fully. Think about how often people buy cars that they don't need. They buy an F250 because one time a year they go towing. They buy the bigger engine because sometimes they want performance.

[Doug]

Do you think that at some point Ford will allow you to pay for towing as a subscription?

[Filippo]

Yes. The world is already.

[Doug]

That's the analogy he made.

[Kenan]

Right. Didn't really take a lot to connect, though.

[Filippo]

OK. You are commuting around your small British town near 200 horsepower, which, by the way, is two times the horsepower that the gas equivalent probably has. The Polo has 100 horsepower. Yeah. You already have two times that. You don't really need the extra 27 horsepower, but sometimes you're going to go to that HDPE event, you're going to do some autocross. You want it, you'll pay for that month.

[Doug]

Yeah.

[Kenan]

I mean, it's just not that much horsepower for the money.

[Doug]

Yeah, but it's not that much money. It's $20. It's $20. Would you pay 20 bucks to have to have, what was it, 25 more horses?

[Filippo]

27. Yeah.

[Doug]

In your ethernet five.

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[Doug]

You would. Don't even think. Come on.

[Kenan]

Probably not every month.

[Doug]

Exactly. Exactly. You could make that choice.

[Kenan]

I think I just would do the upgrade and that would be it.

[Filippo]

You would do the upgrades on.

[Doug]

Well, that's awesome.

[Kenan]

I just always want them max.

[Doug]

That's available also. So you could do that if you want.

[Filippo]

I will say the general response is what you're saying, which is they could have just offered more power.

[Doug]

Yeah.

[Filippo]

But they could have just offered less power, too. And now here's in between, I think.

[Kenan]

From the subscription services, I'm more irritated that, like, Toyota does it for heated seats. Like, that's kind.

[Filippo]

Kind of BMW. Yeah.

[Kenan]

And BMW. Yeah. I don't. That's irritating. Like, I know that the car can do like, that's, that's a comfort, the whole car.

[Filippo]

You pay from November to March and then you don't.

[Doug]

Yeah.

[Filippo]

Do people.

[Doug]

Could you do that? I can't imagine it's. It really allows you to turn it off and on at that.

[Filippo]

Can you imagine you are like really like fighting for your life, driving with somebody else. You're getting carjacked. You want the extra 27 horsepower. Can you like go on the app, request it and it just happens or you're really cold one morning, you want heated seats.

[Doug]

It's.

[Kenan]

Yeah, it's just like it gets.

[Doug]

Probably requires an over the. Like an update overnight.

[Filippo]

I don't find this objectionable.

[Kenan]

I don't like it.

[Doug]

Subscription based stuff people find objectionable in cars because we've known for years a car is something that you buy and have. They are offering the ability to do the extra power for a lump sum, which is just normal and better than.

[Filippo]

What Tesla does with like supercharging and stuff.

[Doug]

It is an interesting thing, especially if you can turn on and off at a. You don't think 20 bucks you can just. Yep. I want more power today.

[Kenan]

I just, I just want it all the time. Well, I'd pay for the Fed. Oh. And that's what I would do. I don't see the purpose of having it month to month. Like, I just would want it all the time. Why would I want less? Like get the best. I just don't understand that.

[Doug]

But I think that the fear really is that it opens the door to more automakers doing more subscription, charging more money.

[Kenan]

That's my problem, I think, is. I think that's the issue. It's like, what else is going to become a subscription service for you? Like maybe having a second mirror. As a European maybe if you pay.

[Filippo]

The subscription service, you get a passenger side door mirror.

[Doug]

That's right.

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[Kenan]

And if you don't, the next month they come take it away.

[Doug]

It is, it is an interesting concept that could benefit the consumer, though surely it won't because it's being done by greedy corporations. But when you do think about it, like there are people who wouldn't need a passenger mirror or who wouldn't need some stuff that cars have. Like you get in a car, right. And there's stuff that in our Mercedes Benz station wagon, we have that Mercedes assist where you say, hey, Mercedes, never used it, never will use it.

[Filippo]

Right.

[Doug]

If I could have that be a subscription Feature. Right, Right. And you only pay per month for it.

[Filippo]

You just wouldn't. Yeah, I wouldn't.

[Kenan]

The trouble is, I suspect they'll. It'll be like the packages will become subscriptions. So they'll put stuff in that you don't. Yeah, one thing in that you actually want. It'll cost a lot when you get a bunch of stuff you don't want.

[Doug]

Maybe I hate packages, but it is an interesting concept. Right? Like. Like in theory there is stuff like, hey, maybe I don't want a power tailgate. Like, I bet he wouldn't. I bet he wouldn't. If it was five bucks a month to have a power tailgate, I bet.

[Filippo]

There is no shot I would pay for any of these. Yeah. It becomes a real question. I was driving Rivian R1s around and you can buy like a package that gives you access to like a Spotify app and Apple music app. I don't think I would.

[Doug]

Well, you can still play Spotify through Bluetooth.

[Filippo]

Yeah, yeah.

[Doug]

Or you can put the app in the car.

[Filippo]

I don't think I would pay for that.

[Doug]

You could see subscription based features actually becoming beneficial for all those people. Like, I don't need all this crap. Well, if, then maybe you get sold a base car and you subscribe to everything and then you choose like, I don't want any of this stuff. They will never do that. Automakers will never do that.

[Filippo]

Would I pay for adaptive cruise? Yeah, but maybe only if I'm going on a road trip.

[Kenan]

Yeah, I can see certain. Yeah, I can see certain features like that. But power, like, I think it's all the power.

[Filippo]

It will be bad for the consumer. But I'm not like intrinsically objecting to it.

[Kenan]

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[Doug]

All right, we got to move on to the next story, which is a fantastic one.

[Filippo]

This is.

[Doug]

Can you talk about this? I haven't read about this, but I'm so excited to hear about it.

[Filippo]

So Ford has a CEO. His name is Jim Farley.

[Doug]

Jim Farley.

[Filippo]

Yeah. I went to high school with his niece and nephew.

[Kenan]

He mentions it every time. Jim, that is a fact.

[Filippo]

Probably that's his.

[Kenan]

That's his flex on it.

[Filippo]

Yep, that's my flex on it. Jim Farley, if you listen to.

[Kenan]

Is that something in the Midwest? Absolutely.

[Doug]

Everybody in the Midwest went to high school as somebody's niece.

[Filippo]

Yeah. Also, it might be his, like, cousin's knee.

[Doug]

All right.

[Filippo]

Jim Farley said in an interview this week, literally two days ago, that he is thinking about building a, like, Dakar competitive vehicle. A very expensive off Road, like $300,000 off road sports vehicle.

[Kenan]

Supercar, specifically.

[Filippo]

Yeah. An off road supercar, he said, kind of building on the Mustang gtd. Something that is, like purely focused on the car. He had a quote where he said, I want to win the car way more than I want to win Formula one.

[Kenan]

Well, I think that, I mean, he.

[Filippo]

Has an option to win.

[Kenan]

I mean, don't get me wrong, Dakar is an incredibly prestigious race and it's unbelievably difficult to win a little different than win a Formula one season as a constructor.

[Filippo]

So maybe this is the better approach.

[Kenan]

But I mean, Ford does take part in Dakar already.

[Filippo]

They want to go all in, Dude.

[Doug]

If they did.

[Kenan]

If they did like a 929 version.

[Doug]

A 929, the problem is it'll be Mustang based.

[Kenan]

Yeah.

[Doug]

But if they did a Street, a $300,000 off road supercar, I'm interested. I was interested in Sterrato and I'm just as interested in this.

[Filippo]

The goal was a th000 horsepower, partially electric, fully digital or digitally enabled.

[Doug]

It's over.

[Filippo]

It's interesting. He basically said, I've been thinking about this and then alluded to the fact that when he's thinking this deeply about a project. Generally it happens.

[Doug]

What a yawn. They were so close. No, that's not make a lifted Ford over gt.

[Filippo]

Can you do me a favor? Can you pull up a Local Motors? That's what I thought. I'm thinking.

[Doug]

Yeah. No Local Motors. You can go. You can go to our site.

[Filippo]

Yeah, we've had a few.

[Doug]

We've sold many. We've sold more. We have one.

[Filippo]

We sold three.

[Doug]

That one. That little puppy. I drove that puppy around. Big Bear, that puppy.

[Filippo]

This is what comes to mind for me for some reason.

[Doug]

Not this one. Yeah, this is a dream, dude. Civic tail lights.

[Filippo]

Yeah, I think they'd probably do it without the Civic tail lights. They'd obviously use Ford Fiesta taillights. Could be brand correct. But this is what I'm picturing. Just with a thousand horsepower and done.

[Doug]

A little better would be nice. Dude, it would be so cool. I would love an off road. Here's what I want. Here's what. Here's what I want. I'm going to tell you what I want. My going to build it.

[Filippo]

Oh my goodness.

[Doug]

054 GT.

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[Doug]

Modernized. Just a little.

[Filippo]

Digital screens everywhere.

[Doug]

Yeah, digital screens.

[Filippo]

LED lighting the edges that work would be nice. Turn signals that work would be nice.

[Doug]

All that stuff works in my car.

[Kenan]

Well, work is a relative term. I mean this is straight down at 6 o' clock is empty on the gas gauge and straight up at 12 o' clock is full. Someone say it's 90 degrees off.

[Doug]

It's a little more complicated than that. Now.

[Filippo]

The turn signal makes a noise like not like a beep noise.

[Doug]

That's how cars work. No, that's a servo. He doesn't know anything about servos.

[Kenan]

What servo are you actuating for your daylight? So that's a look, the point is.

[Doug]

This, all right.05 Ford GT, which is the greatest Ford ever built. Okay, lift it.

[Filippo]

Yep. Like seven inches.

[Doug]

Four wheel drive, bull bar or three overhead roof lights like a Sterling and double the horsepower. Like commit more to it. Like the sterrato. As cool as it is, does not have enough ground clearance, does not have good enough tires, does not have enough off road capability.

[Filippo]

Ye.

[Doug]

Give me an 054 GT with off road capability and that is. And sell it to me for 300. That's a car that sells for 810 years.

[Filippo]

Jim, you listen?

[Doug]

Probably not. He's probably not listening. Although I gotta tell you, both of you, I was absolutely astonished in Monterey at the number of industry people who came up to me and told me to listen to this podcast. Absolutely. And legit people. So maybe thanks for listening.

[Filippo]

God knows why you are for great advice like that.

[Doug]

I do think that this would be legitimate.

[Filippo]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Kenan]

I really hope they build it. I think it would be cool.

[Doug]

I have a suspicion it won't sell. You know, the Storedo had a really hard time finding buyers for Serato. I don't think there's actually that much of an interest in this off road supercar thing Dakar does. Okay. The Porsche, however, 20 years, this would be another one of those Fords that. That becomes valuable in the future.

[Filippo]

Do you remember the Mach E rally? It still exists. I don't know the.

[Doug]

Well, I remember there was an intent to make it like a real off road, sporty Mach E and then they toned it down and created it.

[Filippo]

Looks cool. I've seen one. I saw it last week.

[Doug]

I don't pay attention. Yeah, I only look at the Mach E premium.

[Filippo]

Oh, nice.

[Doug]

Okay, give us our next news story. Which is the best one of all? Cadillac. Cadillac's come out with something called curated, named after John Temarion's business. Lamborghini has the Lamborghini. John Temerion. Now Cadillac has the Cadillac curated. Yeah, everybody's getting in the John Temarion game.

[Filippo]

So can't blame them.

[Doug]

Curated by. No, you can't blame them. The man sources cars. Anyway, Curated. Curated by Cadillac. With this blurry picture, they're gonna offer one off or like paint a sample colors for the CT5V Blackwing, your dream car. And the way it's gonna work is that car apparently costs a hundred thousand dollars without a special color.

[Filippo]

Yep.

[Doug]

For something like $58,000, you can get a special color. He left. I'm going to tell you something. The Gulf Blue CT5V Blackwing in 30 years is a 600 car.

[Filippo]

That's a. That's a holy thing. I mean, my goodness.

[Doug]

No, dude. What's clear split window worth? This is the split window of the modern era. Thule split.

[Kenan]

You know what the difference was? That the window is split in that one. This one's just a color. So can you do the interior as well or just the exterior?

[Doug]

They're doing interior stuff too. You can do a lot of stuff.

[Filippo]

It's also hand painted. I think they did a hand for some reason.

[Doug]

The 20th anniversary version of this car was hand painted, which I think is wild. Like, I don't want that. They made 2021. What of? You know, probably a V. Yeah, I think because it came out in 04.

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[Doug]

And it's 24.

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[Kenan]

A lot of math today. A lot of basic.

[Doug]

I think this is cool as hell. The price is obviously significant, but they. It says down here extremely limited availability.

[Filippo]

They're only gonna limit the man only.

[Doug]

If that's probably true. It's like the Celestique.

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[Doug]

Limited availability, limited demand works.

[Filippo]

It works.

[Doug]

It's unlike Aston Martin where there's, there's, there's significant availability in limited demand.

[Filippo]

Right.

[Doug]

But extremely limited availability. And what's going to happen here is only a few people are going to do this, but those black wings are going to be the ones that are going to be preserved like GNXs. Plastic's still on them. And in 50 years they're going to be selling at auction cars and bids, of course, for real money. I'm serious.

[Filippo]

You think the issue is that people get to choose the color?

[Doug]

Yeah.

[Filippo]

And they're going to choose just like Porsche people do. They're going to choose a slightly different shade of black.

[Doug]

That's right. And so as a result, I think the few that are chosen in really good colors are going to really be worth money.

[Filippo]

Maybe there are.

[Doug]

There's a large selection of colors.

[Filippo]

How much is Porsche paint to sample? Like 12 these days.

[Doug]

It's like crazy money. And it depends on whether you choose a heritage color or your own color or a non heritage color or a slightly heritage color or all the Porsche guys and all this stuff.

[Filippo]

I love the CT5V truly Blackwing do. I love it at $160,000.

[Doug]

I think that you're missing the point here. I think that this car, I think the CT5V Blackwing, very well preserved, very special ones. The special editions, this. They will go down in time.

[Filippo]

Interesting.

[Doug]

You look at what the CTSV wagons are doing on the used market. I think this car, I truly believe this car 40 years down the line has a very special place in the car enthusiast. I agree.

[Kenan]

I truly believe that manual ones, if you do this to it in general, I think, yeah, I think there's a very good positive.

[Doug]

It's a modern classic.

[Kenan]

This is a future classic.

[Doug]

People always ask me what modern cars are going to appreciate. I don't know if this one's going to blow up appreciate like an F40 did. But this car will be appreciated on the used market. The used market will desire this car. It will never depreciate to nothing. It is a special car, especially with three pedals.

[Filippo]

Do you think that John Denischen is sad? He didn't think about it when he moved Cadillac to Brooklyn.

[Doug]

What happened to him. By the way, I was talking to somebody this week about him. Is he still, like, around?

[Filippo]

Good question.

[Doug]

Johan Danishen. Here's. Let me tell you.

[Filippo]

Oh, yeah, Johan.

[Doug]

Let me tell you all a little story about this man. This man, absolute genius at Audi. He shows up and Audi has the following products. I'm not making this up. They have the 80 and the 90, same car. Then they have the 100 and the 200 different cars. He says, I got an idea. Let's call him a 4, a 6, a 8. Absolute brilliance. The Audi brand is turned around. Audi is a saved. It is the greatest, probably the greatest turnaround in modern automotive history. Then they bring him over to Infiniti. You remember this? Infiniti says, we're going to do it. We're going to get this guy. And so he renames the entire Infiniti line. Q40, Q60. Instead of a turnaround, he does turnaround Infiniti. It goes from moderately successful to absolutely awful. So then they bring him to Cadillac.

[Filippo]

Two years he was there. Yeah.

[Doug]

Then they bring him to Cadillac and he does the same thing. He renames all the cars. They had CTs, ATs. He renames them CT4, CT5, CT6, XT5. And Cadillac's doing okay, I guess.

[Filippo]

He then. Well, he also moved them to New York City.

[Doug]

Moved New York City, and they're back in Detroit.

[Filippo]

He then worked as the chief operating officer for Volkswagen Group North America. He went back then, was the president and CEO of ARRI Americas.

[Doug]

Let me tell you something. That that move to New York was the smartest thing anybody ever did for Cadillac. And they wouldn't let it stick because Detroit people in Detroit don't understand why a brand like this maybe should be based in New York.

[Filippo]

Let me tell you something else about his LinkedIn. Currently, he is currently the chairman of the board of the Chattanooga Area Regional Transportation Authority.

[Kenan]

Oh, that's a surprise.

[Doug]

I hope he lives in chat. All right, is that all our news stories? Because we got other stuff to talk about. We got to talk about a lot of other stuff in the Talk Car segment. The Talk Car segment brought to you by black T shirts.

[Kenan]

Oh, I'm wearing one, Henley.

[Doug]

We all are. Okay, the talk cars segment. In this segment, we talk about cars. Now, the first thing I want to talk about, we were at Monterey Car Week. Now, if you went to Monterey Car Week, you'll be excited to hear about this. If you didn't, you're tired of it. You don't want to hear any more talk Of Monterey car week. But I'm about to give you the definitive rap.

[Filippo]

Oh, wow.

[Kenan]

My goodness. This is it.

[Doug]

I want to start by saying the following. I don't even think this is a hot take, but I'm gonna say it. The police presence was strong and from my view, the police pulled over the right people.

[Filippo]

I didn't see, I saw very few people.

[Doug]

I saw nary an unmodified car get pulled over. And I saw many cars with windshield sticker graphics that they were part of. Some run, some race, some event get pulled over frequently with neons doing burnouts off the sound.

[Kenan]

Now, you know, I drove a lot. I drove my own car there and back. You took the countach, people drove around in the rivan? Yeah, I didn't get have one issue with the, didn't have a single issue with the cops.

[Doug]

Interesting. It is interesting. Now on Instagram, I noticed there were a couple people who crashed their cars. There is a video going around of a GT3Rs doing donuts in an intersection, crashing into a Tacoma. And there is a video of a Audi R8 that slid into something.

[Kenan]

I talked to the guy genuinely moments before that happened, I was pulling out somewhere and he was playing and he recognized me.

[Doug]

Both of those cars crashed. The GT3S was modded with one of those heinous rear wheel. Both of those cars. If you had asked me at the start of car week, are these cars going to crash this week, I would have said yeah. Because the R8 had decals and graphics.

[Kenan]

Yeah.

[Doug]

So my point is, I don't know what training they give the police there in Monterey and the California Highway Patrol who participated, But I suspect it's something along the lines of if it has a wind windshield banner or yellow headlights or rims or. Yeah, that's the one. You stay away from the countaches, the, or the E39 or the stock car.

[Kenan]

You can issue parking tickets to them, but everything else. Yeah.

[Filippo]

The Carmel by the Sea police pulled over a fair number of heavily modified cars for sound. They would be driving up and down the main street revving obnoxiously loudly. And that feels appropriate too.

[Doug]

I, I, I don't, I, I like the event and, and I, the police presence was significant. I was worried about the whole thing because we've been driving around a lot and we st cars, but the police clearly focused on that. There was no front plates. I mean, maybe they did use that as a proxy to pull over some of those people, but there was no front plate stuff.

[Filippo]

There was no people. Okay.

[Doug]

Some of the M3s with the lowered and the. And the scraping and the carbon fiber accessories.

[Kenan]

Cover yourself. Yeah, they. They.

[Doug]

That's what I mean.

[Kenan]

Yeah, they used my. View the front plate pullover thing. That's precisely what it's used for. It's a proxy.

[Doug]

But they didn't. But there was none of that stuff going on. Like, it was clear. They were. They were taught to, like, target a certain.

[Filippo]

To me, like, they were relatively deliberate to only go after at least what I saw. Like infractions that were very clear at that moment. And concerning sound was the big one in Carmel, truly, that I saw much more so than.

[Doug]

Or just doing dumb stuff. Like there were people, even with all the cops. Like there were so many cops, even with all the cops. There were people doing burnouts and donuts and intersections. I'm like, astonished that people are trying to. And then. And then they go on social media and complain about the police presence. So anyway, I think the police did a good job.

[Filippo]

I will say I saw a lot of cars driving around with no plates at all, or just European plates.

[Doug]

But that's what I mean. Police are like, they're not gonna pull over a T50 on British plates. That's not what they're trying to do.

[Filippo]

No, they're trying to keep it safe.

[Doug]

They're trying to keep it safe and keep the residents happy with the noise stuff. But it's a balance because the local businesses. Someone. I had an article written about me, an article written about car spotting in which I was quoted in the newspaper in Monterey. And I bumped into the reporter when I was there, and he told me that the businesses in Monterey make 10% of their annual revenue during a week alone. So it's kind of a fine line. Like, the cops obviously have to restore the order that the people, especially in Carmel, feel that way. But the businesses are there. Like, you can't chase all these people away because this is really important to our.

[Filippo]

So keep it relatively quiet, keep it relatively safe. And then. Yeah, call that over.

[Doug]

It's kind of actually probably a difficult fine line for them to walk. Yeah, I've been using delete me for years now, and I'm still just as grateful for it today as I was the day I signed up. They've been a great supporter of my channel and my privacy. The first time I saw my personal info online, my name, old phone number addresses, even family details, it was on dozens of sites. As someone who's pretty visible online, I've had to deal with weird stuff, Random emails, odd messages People digging too deeply. That's why I take privacy seriously and why Delete Me is a core part of how I protect myself and my family. Deleteme is a subscription service that removes your personal information from hundreds of data broker sites. You give them your info once and they go to work, sending personalized reports every few months to show exactly what they've removed. They keep monitoring so it doesn't come right back. Take control of your data and keep your private life private by signing up for Delete Me now with a special discount, our listeners today get 20% off your delete me plan when you go to joindeleteme.com demuro and use promo code demuro at checkout. The only way to get 20% off is to go to joindeleteme.com demuro and enter code demuro at checkout. Support this car pod and your privacy. That's joindeleteme.com demuro code demuro. Okay, show us the pictures. We have some pictures. This is me staying next to signal Yellow. Filippo, do you want to tell us the story?

[Filippo]

I, I, Doug, one time, years, years ago, saw a signal yellow.

[Doug]

This has nothing to do with it. Signal yellow is the next Carrera GT off the assembly line after my career.

[Filippo]

Is that the one?

[Doug]

So my career GT that one.

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[Doug]

And then the very next car was signal yellow.

[Filippo]

I didn't realize that.

[Doug]

Which was built for Mike Valentine, the radar detector guy. And I've never personally seen the car, but there I am standing next to the next one, next car. If you imagine you're In Leipzig, it's 2005, you're on the production line. There's signal yellow coming down the line. And there's my car right in front of it.

[Filippo]

Yep.

[Kenan]

The way that goes, is that real talked? Make sure you mark it off. You know, I don't think they're too concerned. Oh, this one is a garish color. I like signal yellow.

[Filippo]

What's the normal yellow?

[Doug]

The normal yellow is called Fance yellow.

[Kenan]

Ah, yeah, Fance.

[Doug]

And signal yellow is one of one. They only made one signal yellow car and Mike Valentine ordered it new from his Porsche dealer in northeast Ohio. Kennan and him were personal friends.

[Kenan]

Is that Porsche North?

[Doug]

I don't remember.

[Kenan]

Beechwood probably.

[Doug]

I don't think Beechwood existed back then, but they've been around for a long.

[Kenan]

They've been around since 993, so I would imagine.

[Doug]

But his plaque number is 911 and my plaque number is 543. And I'm going to tell you, Porsche people Something about your little plaque numbers. Rich people can deviate them. Okay, so this was not the 911th car. It was the 544th car. But Rich people can choose their own plague numbers, and I did that job once. Anyway, so there you go.

[Filippo]

What number did you choose for what car? For whom? Who?

[Doug]

Oh, people would all the time request for 918. We were so desperate to sell them, we gave plaque number. Anybody who wanted any plaque number is, like, done. We didn't duplicate them. I assume for the right money, maybe they would have. But the plaque numbers are not actually in order on any of the cars. Okay, move on to the next picture. There's me and my personal hero, Harry. I met Harry Metcalf, the greatest automotive YouTuber.

[Filippo]

Wow.

[Kenan]

Yep.

[Filippo]

I've never seen a Harry Metcalf video.

[Doug]

What?

[Kenan]

Are you serious?

[Filippo]

100? No. You're talking less YouTube content than you might expect.

[Doug]

No, you watch YouTube, but I watch Harry.

[Kenan]

He also has a farm channel. You can learn about farming.

[Filippo]

But he.

[Kenan]

He goes to Europe and he drives around. I mean, he.

[Filippo]

Like, I go to Europe and I drive around. Okay.

[Kenan]

Yeah. You don't do it in a Countach or a Testarossa.

[Doug]

He does.

[Kenan]

He brought an outboard motor back from his boat, Nantibe. In a Countach or in a Testarossa in wintertime time.

[Doug]

I get a thumbs up from Harry a month ago. Right.

[Kenan]

He's the best.

[Doug]

And he sends me a message on Instagram. He says, hey, Doug, are you going to be at Monterey? Like, I'm going to be there. I'm like, oh, my God. I'm not. I'm not even making a joke here. Like, I. I literally think that Harry is, like, the most legit dude because he makes a YouTube channel. He doesn't really need to, I don't think, financially. He just kind of does it just for the fun of it. And it actually ends up being a great YouTube channel because he has so much knowledge of the industry from his many years. Evo magazine and working for car makers and working in the industry in general. I'm so excited. He sends me this message, hey, I'm gonna be here. Will you be here? I'm like, oh, my God, of course. But, you know, and I happened to bump into it before Quail started. So it was just kind of me and him for a second. Then Ed Bullion walked up, and Ed's got a picture of the three of us. But then the real highlight with Harry is we're staying in downtown Monterey and Carmel. They arrest people for like looking at people. Wrong. In Monterey you could do burnouts all day long. Like, this is a picture of my car. But go back to Harry. We want to look at Harry. We could do burnouts all day long in Monterey. And it was like accepted and condoned. And who do we see? And it's like 22 year old kids yelling, rev it. Rev it. As people are driving by. And who do we see walking down the street?

[Kenan]

Hey, Metcalf and his wife. And they just. Admittedly, I didn't get to meet him. I was too. It was the wrong time because I didn't want to be associated with all the revving going on. But he was there and I assumed he and his wife were just walking through. But no, they stood there for probably.

[Doug]

20 minutes and watched. They watched all the Camaros and stuff. Rev it. Harry's killing it.

[Kenan]

Because it just doesn't. I can't imagine that happens in the UK that often. You get to experience something that insane. It was very American.

[Doug]

So Harry is a personal hero of mine and I got to meet him.

[Filippo]

That's so nice.

[Doug]

Yeah. Okay, give us our next picture here.

[Kenan]

It was a K.

[Doug]

Can I tell you something about this picture? This was in a parking lot.

[Filippo]

Yeah, yeah. At the Quail. Yeah.

[Doug]

This isn't some picture I took. Okay. This was in a parking lot.

[Filippo]

Who took the picture?

[Doug]

You're missing the point, Filippo.

[Filippo]

Yeah. Okay. The Quail parking lot, first of all, doesn't count.

[Doug]

You could walk into a parking lot.

[Filippo]

Which is actually a golf course, and.

[Doug]

See a Pajero Evo and a. I know.

[Filippo]

What a photo.

[Doug]

No Wing Countach.

[Filippo]

What a photo. Love this photo. And then a fourth gen in the background.

[Doug]

Yeah, nice. Fourth gen.

[Filippo]

There you go. What a photo.

[Kenan]

The parking lots in general, in and around the events are amazing themselves, but the parking lots are just as crazy. Most of the time you see wild stuff.

[Filippo]

I was walking around Carmel the first evening I was there and just parked in like a alley next to a restaurant. Like, you walk around the corner, there's a tree. Then you walk past it and there's a utopia.

[Doug]

It's parked there.

[Kenan]

Well, you have a video that's on the Cartoon Business Channel right now that talks about, like, how to do it for free. And that's one of the best things. Just walking through the street.

[Filippo]

There's cars everywhere.

[Doug]

The best thing about the week is free and go to the next picture because this is the other thing I wanted to talk about. I broke. Brought up to Monterey Car Week. My Lamborghini, my old Lamborghini, it's behind us now. And my old Lamborghini and that's what I tell people that's there and, and I brought it up there and I didn't know what to expect. I hadn't driven it in three months. That's true.

[Filippo]

Wow.

[Doug]

And so it hadn't. It's been sitting in this garage for three months and I had no idea what to expect. But it was being shown at the Quail a motorsports gathering of course. And so, and so I brought it up there and it was amazing to drive it around but. And I'm going to post. I had a post coming. I'm waiting on some photos but I don't know. I want to talk about how special it was. So wonderful. The last time I was in Monterey for car week was many years ago, almost a decade ago. And at that time I was one of the car spotter kids with a digital camera like a physical digital camera. And like walking around, driving around with this car and seeing the response of all the car spotter kids to this was so cool. It was truly one of the high. Certainly aside from hanging out with you guys all week, it was the highlight of my week week driving this car and like being one of the people that the car like I would have flipped if I was a car spotter kid back then seeing Countach drive around and so I always made sure to park it like very conspicuously in Carmelo and in Monterey so that like you could see it on the street, you know. And it was a really cool experience being able to drive with this car and all the other crazy cars around.

[Kenan]

With it and well, which I, yeah I, I can understand like being in the car and seeing or being behind it and seeing people's reaction to it especially when this and our friend crazy Nick was driving his Merc was outstanding.

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[Kenan]

And I have to say the Countach did really well.

[Doug]

200 miles didn't have a single issue. It continues to be a reliable car.

[Filippo]

Did it start up every time?

[Doug]

Pretty good. The it after sitting in bumper to bumper traffic for an enormous amount of time. There were a couple issues where the, the starter wouldn't crank because we think the starter motor got too hot. But I let it sit for five more minutes and it started right up like I didn't, I didn't get stranded. I didn't have any issues. We just thought it cool down a bit. Little bit.

[Kenan]

At the end of the day it is a 42 year old.

[Doug]

That only happened twice. And you know I bet you that's like ongoing. I bet that's always been an issue. I just don't know because I don't drive it like that. Like we sat as much as I did enjoy driving it around. There were three times or four times where I sat in heavy bumper to bumper traffic in it. And that is not as fun. No, no, don't say.

[Filippo]

Although you could be in front of an F50.

[Doug]

Yeah, there were times.

[Kenan]

Yes. Well, speaking of what. Yes. F50 was the theme. They were quail was honoring the F50. It turned 30 just like me this year. And so there were a lot of them. I think 17 in total.

[Doug]

Something I saw 19 f 50s.

[Filippo]

Wow.

[Kenan]

Okay.

[Doug]

Took the Vince.

[Kenan]

Count the auction cars. That's what it is.

[Doug]

Count the auction.

[Kenan]

Okay. Yes. But just seeing them around like here I am behind a straight piped one which is probably other than hanging out with you guys, my favorite experience of car where I was behind this straight pipe one leaving the Quail and we finally turned out on the main road and he just laid into it. And to hear that sound like be behind it for three gear changes at full throttle was crazy.

[Doug]

Yeah.

[Kenan]

But that's the thing. You just never know like what special stuff. Oh, there's a picture of you and I. You never know what special stuff you're going to run into.

[Doug]

And that was like the best part about this week. And I still feel this way after having gone now. It's been 10 years since I went and now I went back. Is the random stuff you see cruising around.

[Kenan]

Yeah.

[Doug]

It is so cool. And I truly believe. I know you posted this video about what to do if you don't want to spend money up there. But the very best thing to do if you're a car spotter kid and you just want to see cars get a chair and post up on Route 1. Wednesday, Thursday, Friday and Saturday. Everybody eventually does a drive down the coast. And I did two of them and I saw a dark blue Enzo cruisin. We saw Chiron F50 Huayra other Chiron MC12, multiple MC12s just cruising down Highway 1. If you just post up on Highway 1, you gotta go early because the real people especially want to get the photos go out really early. See every single cool car just sit with a folding chair on Highway 1.

[Kenan]

The the best day of the week to do it is for the Tour de Gon where the cars that are going to be in the actual.

[Doug]

Which is Thursday.

[Kenan]

Which. Yeah. Which is on Thursday. They to get. They get extra points for going and actually driving the car on this event. And so to do that and then to see the modern stuff and is just spectacular. There's nothing else like it.

[Filippo]

But even on Saturday afternoon I set out on Highway 1 eating it. I was like eating lunch and just figured I would go out there. And even that Saturday afternoon there were cars, insane cars driving by.

[Doug]

It was just insane. I mean there was no end to the crazy stuff. At one point we're sitting there in a Gumpert Apollo and a CLK DTM drive by. I don't think I saw those cars the rest of the week, but they were, they were there in some capacity.

[Kenan]

What a combination.

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[Kenan]

Gumpallo I'd never seen before in my whole life. So that was special for me.

[Doug]

I got a picture of you taking a picture of a Gumpert Apollo with my Countach in the background.

[Filippo]

Whoa.

[Doug]

It's really hard.

[Kenan]

Like a fever dream.

[Filippo]

It is.

[Kenan]

The only way to describe car week.

[Doug]

Is like a fever dream. And by the end of it.

[Kenan]

You'Re hoping that fever breaks. To be honest, you just like, it's like constantly eating really rich food. You're just like, I just, I just want something simple. Just give me chicken and rice.

[Filippo]

Right?

[Doug]

Yeah, it was, it was a lot. It's especially a lot for me. A lot of people come up to me. It, it, it, it was a lot. But we had a good time.

[Kenan]

Y last thing I want to say about Monarch, Just a personal note for myself. The mighty M5 broke 250,000 miles on the drive up to Monterey. Quarter of a million miles. I know I get made fun of a lot, but all like for how much I've spent on it. But there's just very few, almost 25 year old cars. You can turn the key that 250,000 miles I drove up back, not one issue, not one dash warning light, nothing. Flawless car was absolutely flawless.

[Doug]

250,000 miles.

[Kenan]

250,000 miles.

[Doug]

And you did it must have been about 1,1200 miles.

[Kenan]

Yeah, I think I crossed 2,051,000 miles like moments after returning.

[Doug]

So it was lot.

[Kenan]

Wow, it's a lot of miles.

[Filippo]

How many miles did you do total?

[Kenan]

It was like 1700 I think or something like that.

[Doug]

You know, Nick's car threw his cel for being overheated. Well, Countach handled it. Something to think about.

[Filippo]

The Kash may not have a beautiful.

[Kenan]

The servicing of George Evans.

[Doug]

You know, it was cool to see all the other countaches. I pulled up Wednesday afternoon having not seen a sports car in three months.

[Kenan]

Oh, you really did Dive into the deep end.

[Filippo]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Doug]

And I pulled up and I parked in Carmel, and another countach was right next to me. And I'm like, damn. Okay, here's what we're doing.

[Kenan]

Welcome to car week.

[Filippo]

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[Doug]

Okay, we got to move on. Filippo drove a Rivian R1S.

[Filippo]

Yes, I drove an Rivian R1S quad motor up to the quail, Took car week in general and then drove it back home. I did 1400 miles in it, which is a given. The car had 500 miles and I got it. It felt like a lot.

[Doug]

Right?

[Filippo]

It's exceptional. You're going to get it as a press card in a couple months once they release rad tuner, which makes it very customizable and the like tank turn thing to do a full review. But it's such a good vehicle. Neither of you rode with me.

[Doug]

No.

[Filippo]

But 1025 horsepower and 1200 pound feet of torque is a lot.

[Kenan]

You heard this website called cars and Bids?

[Filippo]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Kenan]

You know, you could consider I could.

[Filippo]

Buy one getting one. I will say a couple legitimately. The interior might be my favorite new like regular car interior. Mine, the one that I had and all their R1s quad motor press cars are like a beautiful like blue with like a light brown natural wood. And it is stunningly pretty. The interior is gorgeous. The car is. I'm gonna give the one minute summary of my review here. A little truck, more Truck like than you expect. The ride is not range over quality.

[Doug]

Yep.

[Filippo]

But it is pretty good.

[Doug]

Nor is the interior.

[Filippo]

No. But the interior stylistically matches more my style more and so I'm okay with materials being a little bit worse. And I don't think they're bad to be clear. Just a little bit.

[Doug]

Not quite surprising to hear someone it's the nicest interior like this. This is the nicest interior.

[Filippo]

Like it's nice with the natural wood and the light blue leather. It's truly gorgeous.

[Doug]

Yeah.

[Filippo]

Nicely finished all around performance insane. Of course you can scare every single passenger. I waited till they weren't expecting it till they were like looking at their phones. But it's. It's a pleasurable experience and that's otherwise it's like normal car. 22 1/2 seconds 060 time is probably 4 seconds faster than that M5 at this point.

[Doug]

Yep.

[Filippo]

Driver assistance good. But they only allow adaptive. You would hate this. Adaptive crew is great. And it's. There's eye tracking or just steering wheel touch but only on mapped highways. And when you're not on a map. Highways.

[Doug]

What's wrong with. With that? They got the five mapped.

[Filippo]

There's a lot of roads.

[Doug]

They got the five, the 405 and the 73 mapped. I'm all good.

[Filippo]

They. They do but there's a lot of roads on the way to Carmel that are highways but not mapped. And so it's just adaptive cruise without lane keep or without lane centering. And that just feels a little silly like every Corolla at this point. Every.

[Doug]

Yeah. If they're doing eye tracking or touch they shouldn't offer it. They shouldn't need it. Only on mapped roads.

[Filippo]

Agreed.

[Doug]

The reason that Cadillac curated by Cadillac makes it on mapped roads only is that the car drives itself on those roads.

[Filippo]

Right. So I was a little surprised by that. $122,000 MSRP feels lofty but also kind of understandable for a car that does fundamentally everything do insane off roading. It can do 2 1/2 seconds 060 totally carry your family. Totally.

[Doug]

What's a fulls size costume?

[Filippo]

A full size ranger with notably than that 160. Yeah.

[Doug]

Damn.

[Filippo]

And also by the I did look this up. I was comparing it for myself to a v8 defender. Cuz the Defender is only a couple inches shorter than an R1S with the spare tire included. It gets about the like it has half the horsepower for about the same cost. So you're in like the same ball there.

[Kenan]

Now I understand it's not a new one.

[Doug]

There's a reason they're so popular. All my neighbors have them.

[Kenan]

They're great. They.

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[Kenan]

You consider getting a used one for later? I mean, because I understand you're not gonna pay $122,000 for a new car.

[Filippo]

But like it made it 65.

[Kenan]

I mean, desirable. I mean come on.

[Filippo]

100%. It made it much more desirable. I don't spend money on cars. But it made it much more desirable. For sure. 2026 is what you want though, because it now has the NACS port for the Tesla supercharger. That's all I used the entire trip. It was fantastic. So 2026 is when that's standard instead of an adaptation after. But it did make me reconsider my stance on evs generally. I didn't think that an EV would fit my life. We take a lot of road trips. We travel a lot. This was relatively painless. You stop for longer. Like instead of stopping to just get gas and like maybe use the restroom, you stop and like, you like get coffee. But after 20 minutes you've had enough range to get you to a good distance. Yeah. So all in all, better. Better electric experience than I expected. And I like the R1s a lot more than I thought.

[Doug]

I think it's one of the great all round vehicles ever to exist.

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[Doug]

Take that.

[Filippo]

Yep. I legitimately agree with that. I'm gonna post a post on cars in its community. That's a much more intensive review. I wrote it last night and it's 1200 words accidentally. So go cut that down a little bit.

[Doug]

How beautiful.

[Kenan]

And I'm entering into a journal.

[Filippo]

How beautiful. You know, I'm just trying to copy Doug.

[Doug]

How beautiful.

[Kenan]

Damn.

[Filippo]

Uses many a hyphen. Em dashes.

[Doug]

I'm glad that you enjoyed the R1s experience. I think it's really cool. Cool. And I think I'm very excited to check out the new one myself. And I just. I really do think it's like one of the best all round vehicles can do anything.

[Filippo]

Yeah. Truly.

[Doug]

Okay, we got to talk. Market report. Market report. Market report. Market report. And the market report is brought to you by Green Cars and Bids. Cars and Bids.

[Kenan]

That's right.

[Doug]

You want cars? You want bids? You go to cars and bids.com and you'll find both.

[Filippo]

Whoa.

[Doug]

Okay. The first thing I want to talk about with the market report is the E61. You want to pull it up? We didn't talk about this before.

[Filippo]

No. Cuz it was. It was in the last week.

[Kenan]

Yeah.

[Doug]

This crazy.

[Filippo]

Yeah. All right, so somebody built an E61 M5 touring build. They took an E61. Five series. The five series. The E65 series. Five series. And they made it a full E61 and five build. Ken and I saw it in person.

[Kenan]

Yes. Not only that, when you say a full build, you're not kidding. It's also a manual transmission. They did the.

[Filippo]

Oh, yeah, sorry.

[Doug]

Which is important.

[Kenan]

But in addition to having the M5 powertrain, it had everything, and I mean everything. The guy gave this car every option except for two. He couldn't get, like, adaptive cruise to work, and he couldn't get the. I think it was the adjusting seats to work, but everything else, like, it works on this car. And he. He was so detailed. He even got the styrofoam that, like, holds in the M mobility kit, which is like if you get a flat tire. Which took him three months to track that down because it's no longer available from BMW. But it was a really nice build. He showed me pict of him laying out the wiring harnesses to build everything. I mean, the guy went the full distance, and this car got all the money.

[Doug]

It's $79,999.80G's for a 535i xDrive, according to your local DMV.

[Kenan]

Right? Exactly. Now, the thing. The thing is, of course, the 61M5 will eventually become legal to import to the US but not for a really long time. You still have to wait pretty good amount of time. So if you wanted to skip the line and have one, well.

[Doug]

And regardless, there was never a manual line.

[Kenan]

You have to do the mayo. You have to send a D39 source, do the manual conversion anyway. But it is an amazing build.

[Doug]

I've always wondered if this could be done.

[Kenan]

Not easy.

[Doug]

I assumed it really couldn't be done because the E61 M5 was so different from a body perspective than the regular five series. I mean, there's a lot of body work that has to go into these cars in order to change them. It's obviously the wheels, but the fender was different. And the front, like, there's. So I don't know how many panels are shared, but I bet it's not all that many.

[Kenan]

Well, yeah, he said getting this one is the hardest. Getting the rear bumper now is, like.

[Doug]

Basically impossible for a wagon.

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[Kenan]

Really hard to get that.

[Doug]

I mean, unbelievable build, and it pulls 80 grand. As we've said so many times, a really good build brings all the money, not just an engine. Swap. But if you do like a really good build and especially like enthusiast bell ringing. The wagon, the manual. I've talked many times about getting an E61 M5, which I won't do do.

[Kenan]

Because I've scared him away right now.

[Doug]

Scared me away. He scared me away.

[Filippo]

Wow.

[Kenan]

It's a hard car. It's a really difficult car to live with compared to the cars that he has that require a lot of effort already. He determined not.

[Doug]

I'm not going to put you Sequoia. I got to take that into the dealer.

[Filippo]

The worst.

[Doug]

I got to take that into the dealer for service.

[Kenan]

Now imagine if you took this into the dealer.

[Doug]

I'm busy.

[Filippo]

It's far.

[Doug]

Do they do anything for that?

[Filippo]

Yeah, they have solutions.

[Doug]

But do they like. Will they come and grab that for me or.

[Filippo]

You would have to ask Toyota, but probably.

[Doug]

You think so.

[Filippo]

Genesis used to. They give you an iPad and then you went on the iPad.

[Doug]

And the brands are different. This is the problem with getting a Toyota.

[Filippo]

Right.

[Doug]

Okay. This is incredible.

[Filippo]

Yeah. And all the money.

[Doug]

Enthusiast bend. Let's talk about the E63 because I think that this also proves another point which is, is that even though there are not. There's not a large market for these cars, the an E61 M5 Touring, or in this case a Golf Blue E63 wagon, there is a market that's big enough that they can get real money. So this car we sold for $135,000. This is a factory Gulf Blue AMG EC.

[Filippo]

Surely the only one.

[Doug]

The owner of this car, who I'm in contact with on Instagram, he replaced it with a Singer. Okay, what do you think?

[Kenan]

Okay, what do you think?

[Doug]

What does someone who has one of these replace it with?

[Kenan]

I feel like if you like wagons, you end up replacing IT with an Rs6 Avant Stirato, sir. Genuinely.

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[Doug]

He replaced it with Strato.

[Filippo]

Well, that's cool.

[Kenan]

Did the kids graduate or something?

[Doug]

You know, he barely drove this. I mean, it only has like 6,600 miles on it or something. Which I think was. It's a tough call, right, With a car like this because it's probably a one of one color or maybe one of two or three. You can't really use it like you. You. You gotta kind of be careful because this is the value specialness is in its like preservations. If you want to have one, you just buy a white one and just use the hell out of it.

[Filippo]

What's stunning to me is we sold the same car in 2021.

[Doug]

What did we sell it for?

[Filippo]

We sold it for $125,000. Wow. We had 3,000 miles at the time. At that point it was newer. There wasn't yet the run up in E63 values. Or maybe there have just been a facelift with 21. The facelift was left here. I was like, clearly. I think I thought at the time, this is the moment of sell. This is the closest you're ever going to get to MSRP on this. There's still demand.

[Doug]

What was MSRP?

[Filippo]

150, I think. Yeah. 158 car is so cool. But like now it's, it's just appreciating the auto. Continue to.

[Doug]

The automakers are right that there's not a huge interest in wagons that cost as much money that are, you know, they're wrong. But there's a very small sliver of people who really are willing to pay. Like the 25th anniversary Rs6s. Those blue ones. Those brought tons of money new. They still do. So do the new GTs, the orange and black. So does this car. So does that M5 wagon we were just talking about. Like there is a sliver of people who just want the coolest wagon and this is that. And I bet you this sits in the garage for the rest of its life next to other supercars. Whoever owns it next. Or next. Or next. Like this is the car you have if you have quite a fleet and you want to kind of a really, really cool daily.

[Filippo]

And I do think automakers are realizing that. I mean they, they see the E63 whacking wagon selling equal to the sedan, right?

[Doug]

Well, the wagon outsells the sedan. I guess my point is less about the wagon in general and more about like this special color and like people willing to pay just like elevated money like for that E61 M5. There are people out there who will do it.

[Filippo]

The same people that are buying. Those are the people that are willing to spend real money on paint. A sample for a specific color911 or maybe if Cadillac is very, very, very lucky, be curated by cat.

[Kenan]

Very limited availability.

[Doug]

Pull up the Gallardo, please. You see this Gallardo sale, of course.

[Kenan]

Yeah, this. Oh, what a bargain.

[Doug]

Gallardos.

[Kenan]

I feel like, I feel like it's.

[Doug]

Sold for what, 95.

[Kenan]

Yeah, I feel like it's a. Such a great value for what it is.

[Doug]

Gallardos are such bargains.

[Kenan]

Yeah, it's such a bargain. 18,000 miles and an.08. The the first generation Gardos. The later cars got some improvements over the early ones. The early ones are known for being a little fragile. Not the case so much with the 08s.

[Doug]

But this still had a 5.2 or a 5.0.

[Kenan]

This is a 5.0. So it still had the even or even firing order. So it's got that sound that is just like, incredible. And look at it.

[Doug]

I'd put the Cassiopeias on it. Even though these may have been OE wheels.

[Kenan]

These are OE wheels. I believe Cassiopeias are my preference as well. But I still think for the money, you get such an exotic car, a.

[Doug]

Tremendous driving experience, 95, and then you sell it five years later for 95. They don't seem like they're coming down anymore.

[Kenan]

No. Nor do they seem that unreliable.

[Doug]

Especially the early Gallardo. Just looks to me so. So exotic.

[Kenan]

I know.

[Doug]

And it's not necessarily beautiful, but it's so exotic. It has this, like, real exotic car presence to it that for some reason a Huracan doesn't quite have as much. It's starting to look. I hate to say it, it's dating, but it's starting to look like a vintage Lambo. Like, it's starting to look like an old school, really.

[Filippo]

Please point to the ways in which it looks like an old school.

[Doug]

Getting some of the old look to it. Like the newer cars have. They clearly are newer. This one is getting left behind in terms of its design. But that's kind of a cool thing. Thing like it is starting to look like an old Lamborghini. This car only came out two years after the Diablo went out of production.

[Kenan]

I'm stunned at how much I like these cars. We had that silver one in the office for a little while that you did a video with, and I went and drove that.

[Doug]

A nice early Gallardo is a really special car. I will say the number of nice early Gyarados left is about 4. This looks like one of them.

[Kenan]

Limited, Very limited available availability.

[Doug]

But they got cheap. They were automatics. They fell into the wrong hands. It's honestly not unlike Countach. They fell into the wrong hands. And people have done heinous stuff to early Gallardos and they got mild, they got hit. They got all this other stuff. Heavily modified.

[Kenan]

Yeah, that's true. But again, this is not an outlier.

[Doug]

78.5 for that one.

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[Doug]

With the chrome Cassiopeias. Look at that one.

[Kenan]

Yeah. This was like one of the nice. It's so well preserved.

[Doug]

I would only want yellow with Cassiopeias. But this is a cool looking car. You don't think. Click on. You don't think. That looks like an old Lambo flippo. When you look at this like this is not a modern car anymore. It's like clearly starting to age. It's blockier, it's boxier.

[Kenan]

21 years ago.

[Filippo]

Can I get clear? Do you mean it looks similar to older Lamb?

[Doug]

No. Look like itself is starting to age into a point where pretty soon we're going to be talking about this as a. As an. As like an old school Lambo. People already say that about mercy and it's the same era.

[Filippo]

Gallardo was what, 04 to 12?

[Kenan]

Yeah, yeah. Something to think about. But I. I really love those cars. I'd love to have one at some stage. I just think that in like yellow is a bit much for me admittedly. But silver is something I like.

[Doug]

The pre LP cars got in.

[Kenan]

The Super Legera is so cool.

[Filippo]

Yeah, man. Even the nicest one, it was two years ago.

[Kenan]

But well, they're a tremendous bargain.

[Doug]

Especially compared to scooter super Lambos in general. Dude, let's all buy Lambos.

[Kenan]

There's the quote of the day.

[Doug]

Lambo.

[Filippo]

I've literally never coveted a Lambo.

[Doug]

Really? Not even a Uroco?

[Filippo]

No. Wow.

[Doug]

This car. What annoys me about you.

[Filippo]

Elmo too.

[Doug]

Maybe this car is the best your country has ever done.

[Filippo]

Wow.

[Doug]

We'll call a war. Ferrari. But like your country.

[Filippo]

Have you heard of The Fiat Panda 4x4?

[Doug]

Italy is known for its prowess in creating these emotional, special, eye catching, head turning loud. That's Japan.

[Filippo]

No, it's.

[Doug]

You're missing the point. You don't have any country pride. You don't think about Ferruccio. You don't think about Modena.

[Filippo]

No.

[Doug]

You don't think about Enzo.

[Filippo]

Well, you got to think about Enzo.

[Kenan]

That's true. You do.

[Doug]

You don't sit back at any point and say to yourself, I, I am love Italy. I wave the flag. Il commendatore.

[Filippo]

You must understand me so fundamentally as a human. No, I've never been super into gay artists.

[Doug]

Gallardos. But you've never been super into any Lambo at any point. Not even a Spada.

[Filippo]

The hatchback spot is cool, but I'm not super into any of them. Jeez, that's about a school.

[Doug]

You don't have any pride for what your country has given the world. When you ask people about Italian products.

[Filippo]

Yeah. You got to assume the Ferrari and.

[Doug]

La, they think about food and they think about cars. Right? Like that's, that's it, right? Or maybe art from decades ago, like the 1400s.

[Filippo]

Who doesn't, man?

[Doug]

Oh, God. He's got nothing.

[Kenan]

That's a lost cause.

[Doug]

Filippo, interestingly, is Interested in the GT4. Pull up the GT4, then we'll go on to the questions.

[Filippo]

I do want to have a GT4.

[Doug]

German than Italian. Most Germans I met hated Italian.

[Kenan]

Maybe he's Swiss in the end.

[Doug]

At the end.

[Kenan]

Oh, maybe it's that cross section.

[Filippo]

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[Doug]

Dude, it's a PTS car. You didn't tell us this either. It's a, it's a nine year old carbon bucket.

[Filippo]

It's a nine year old GT4. Are they all still over MSRP after 30?

[Doug]

No, they are not all, but this is a painted sample car with carbon buckets.

[Filippo]

Great. That's where it is counterfeit. The MSRP MSRP is higher.

[Doug]

This just shows you don't understand gray, black.

[Filippo]

Yeah, but literally paint the sample gray, black.

[Doug]

Well, that I agree with you. That is, it is. I just say it to me that Porsche people are willing to pay big money for, for a paint to sample in the same color that you could just order. I just don't get why, why would.

[Filippo]

You spend an extra 10, 13 grand compared to a car that has.

[Doug]

Because it has carbon buckets and it's paint to sample in the. Let me explain you something about the Porsche world. Okay. I'm just going to tell you this and I want you to understand. Yeah, because I don't. I'm not a Porsche person myself, but I spent a lot of time. Yeah, but I own the one that proves like that car has no options. None of them did. Like, those cars were built for people who wanted to drive and wanted an emotional experience. These cars are built for people who want to talk about what options they have.

[Filippo]

Right.

[Doug]

And I want to be really clear about this. This is, this is how Porsche people operate. I'm going to give you the fundamental secret of Porsche of people. The cars are all pretty much the same.

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[Doug]

And so the only real way, they're great, they're great, but they're all pretty much the same. And so the only way to distinguish between the cars is talking about stuff like carbon bucket seats and colors and things like that and, and special stitching and special this and special that. And so like, whereas in the Ferrari world, like the difference between an F50 and a488 and a430, these are massive difference differences. The 911 world, the mid engine world, the differences are made up in these little tiny things that kind of only the people know about when they go to the event.

[Kenan]

And they're really only two ways then to differentiate your cars. Either to order these options from the factory or to modify it. Now most Porsche people are intelligent, want to retain value of their car and so they don't modify them. They tend to order the stuff from the factory. And so that's why like pts and buckets, like that's, you can, there's like four things you can say about this car that are like.

[Filippo]

Yeah, it's like the Same, but gray, black, 1pts, 30,000 miles. I just don't. It should not be over MSRP.

[Doug]

I totally disagree. I think the market declare.

[Filippo]

No, I agree with.

[Doug]

And also the other, the other thing that's important to keep in mind about these cars. Cuz go back to that GT4 landing page that you had up even beyond like this is a non paid sample car.

[Filippo]

Retain their value.

[Doug]

Well, they retain their value. They're special. Even though I'm not a porsche guy, a 981 GT4 is a really damn good car.

[Kenan]

Excellent.

[Doug]

There are very few cars I have ever driven in my entire life, entire life that drive as well as a 981 GT4. And so they retain their value because they're just. They deserve to damn good cars and they didn't make that many of them and they're gonna come out with an electric one soon.

[Kenan]

Well that's also why the values are.

[Filippo]

Go back to the one with 95,000 miles.

[Kenan]

Ish.

[Filippo]

Sorry. The one that sold for $95,500 had half the miles. Had a 101 sticker.

[Kenan]

Yeah, it's.

[Doug]

So that sold a little bit below.

[Filippo]

M. Scroll down, let's see.

[Kenan]

So we got. Yeah, let's take a look. Just the options you have the carbon.

[Filippo]

Fiber interior, the full bucket, full mileage.

[Doug]

I want, I want to look at the listing myself.

[Kenan]

14,007.

[Doug]

It. It's not PTS, dude. What did it sell for?

[Filippo]

95.

[Kenan]

95.

[Filippo]

So five grand below MSRP. The other one sold twice the miles.

[Doug]

And sold for over a back of the other car. And the other car is PTS, which is 10 grand. Gray, black, dude. But compared to MSRP, you get to go to Porsche Porsche events and be like this isn't just black, it's gray black. It's pts. Gray, black. I have pts.

[Kenan]

And you get some license that incorporates pts in.

[Doug]

Totally pts. GT4.

[Kenan]

Right.

[Doug]

Somebody out there with that plate's going to be like he's making fun of me. Yes, I am. Okay, we need to move on to questions now. Questions come to us from our viewers. You can ask us a question. You go to CarsAndBids.com that's the sponsor of the podcast. You go to CarsAndBids.Com you click on the community tab and there will be a post there that says ask us questions Then you can ask us questions. Okay, first question comes from one U S. It looks like Luis but with a one. Why do you not have Saturday auctions? He says Saturday auctions for special cars. But there's a Question generally, why do you have Saturday auctions? Filippo does something with the operations of the company. Filippo, explain to us why we don't have Saturday. I think that what his title is.

[Kenan]

I think director of operations, head of operations.

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[Doug]

Damn. He is killing.

[Filippo]

Yeah. I. Turns out outside of our content, I sometimes have a job. In the future, we may have Saturday auctions. There are two big reasons. I have some concerns about weekends, frankly.

[Doug]

Damn. What are your. What are your concerns about weekends?

[Filippo]

Like, I. I'm not. I need to do a more thorough review now that there's more data.

[Doug]

Filippo is so serious that he is concerned about weekend.

[Kenan]

About.

[Doug]

We do not work.

[Filippo]

I do a little bit more research on the data trends because early on when some of our competitors started to do weekend auctions, there's a general understanding that those underperformed people are a little bit more maybe away from their phones, away from their computers on weekends, maybe not as villable to bed. We also. There may be a time when we decide we are hosting enough auctions that to draw enough attention to each of them. This is very behind the scenes, but each of them, we will want to do weekend auctions too. And we will do that once that's necessary and once we're confident that we can ensure that there's enough people in the room, that there's enough demand that weekend auctions are additive rather than. Than detracting from the other auction experience.

[Doug]

There's also a personnel issue component to it. If you're going to run weekend auctions. Like, we have to have people who are kind of hanging out there watching the auctions.

[Filippo]

And we do already have weekend employees. If you're a seller on Carson Beds, you'll get support on the weekend, too.

[Doug]

More of it. And so we just don't. I don't think we're ready for it.

[Filippo]

It's not necessary yet.

[Doug]

And I'm not sure. Yeah, yeah, it's not necessary yet. Okay, next question from Mighty Must. Can you go back to the question tab? The questions Questions. Yeah, click on that. From Mighty Musk. Doug, can you explain this license plate? I've lived in Maryland most of my life, and this is the first time I've ever seen those license plates. Do you know what this is? You lived in Maryland?

[Filippo]

I don't know.

[Doug]

You've never seen this before?

[Filippo]

No. All right.

[Doug]

This is one of the greatest stories in the history of license plates.

[Filippo]

Oh, my God. It must be a decent story.

[Doug]

Fifteen years ago, it became a thing for states to come out with retro versions of their license plates. And actually, California, as in so many things, California was one of the real trend leaders in this with the black plate, which has been on sale for a long time and has inspired almost every other state now to create a black plate of its own. And I know there will be persnickety people who say other states had black plates first. Not really California, really. Pennsylvania had the DARE plates, but they long ago went away. And they're only beloved by. Anyway, the point is there's been a history. There's now become this thing of retro license plates. Okay, so Maryland's very first license plate, and by the way, another state that has really leans into its license plate called culture is Delaware. And so in 2009, Delaware came out with the centennial plate. Okay. Where they celebrated 100 years of the license plate. And you can Google this, you could get a. Just type in Delaware centennial plate. Yeah, Delaware centennialized plate right there. And so for one year they offered this. And on the bottom it literally said centennial plate. It was very stupid, obviously. Very literal, really stupid.

[Filippo]

You see those around?

[Doug]

Okay, so not to be outdone, Delaware's next door state neighbor, Maryland, decides the following year they're going to come out with a centennial plate. But the problem is Maryland is Maryland. And so what they do is they take their original license plate, which came out in 1910, and it was yellow, and they just make a yellow version of their existing license plate and write 1910 vintage at the bottom. And then they start it all with VR. And as you can see by this one, no one actually got this license plate. This is number 67. I've never seen a number higher than one. It was only offered for one year. Thank God.

[Filippo]

I like it.

[Doug]

And then it went.

[Filippo]

Especially given what the other standard Maryland plate now looks like.

[Doug]

You don't like the regular Maryland list with the flag on the bottom? It's very popular in this within Maryland. People love their flag.

[Filippo]

The people of Maryland love their flag. Yeah, unfortunately, it's one of the most hideous flags.

[Doug]

Well, regardless story, it is a retro lice plate to commemorate the original 1910 Maryland license plate. And it is, but it was done horribly, like so many things are in Maryland. No offense, of course, to our. To our many viewers in the old lines.

[Filippo]

I lived in Maryland. I lived in Baltimore for three years. And luckily I moved there before the new license plate came out. So I still had the old one. The War of 1812 one.

[Doug]

Oh, the War of 1812 one. Because, you know, the OGS had the black and white one.

[Filippo]

Yeah, I was thinking you weren't OG moved there in 2016.

[Doug]

All right, you can pull that thing graphic back up. We'll move on to the next question. Next question from brand vnc. How often do you guys get cars with reserves that just make no sense and you know they'll never meet? Are any brand slash car owners more guilty of it than others? People submit cars every single day with reserves that are ridiculous. We don't generally run auctions with those. Like, we will try to talk the person down. We will try to talk the person out of their ridiculous reserve.

[Kenan]

Show them comps.

[Doug]

Show them comps. We will explain. Yeah, if we cannot get the person to a reasonable number, we won't run. I mean it's not, it's not worth our time because we pay people to write our listings. So every time you see a car listed on the site, it has cost money for our business. And so like we're not going to run A, a C5 with an $80,000 reserve just to have another car on the site.

[Filippo]

There are times when we just don't know. There are some cars where it's like that. Golf Blue G63 is a good example. There's no other special color E63AMG wagons in existence. Yeah, we were the only people to have auction one, period. So like they're, you might take a risk like you don't really know.

[Doug]

Yeah. And so reserves that make no sense. Sometimes we'll run a car with a reserve that's crazy. If it's a crazy car and we have no idea what it's going to do, we'd rather run it and try. But it's only worth it if it's going to be a really crazy car that like people are going to get excited about, click on, et cetera. That might bring us some, some attention. Otherwise it doesn't make sense for us to just run a stupid car. And the question is, are, are there any brand slash owners that are more guilty of it? For the first two and a half years of cars and bids, I did basically all the reserve setting myself and I, I remember at the time there were, but it's been now two and a half years since then.

[Filippo]

There's crazy people in every, there's crazy people on every brand.

[Kenan]

It is who you expect. Generally there are a lot of Corvette.

[Filippo]

People who, no, they're reasonable.

[Kenan]

They're Porsche people who were.

[Doug]

I don't remember Corvette people being bad. I, I, I remember it just sort of general. I do find that that modded, like a modded American Cars do often the people don't really understand. It's like the first sports car they had that they modded. They don't get why the mods don't have the value. I think that happens.

[Kenan]

Someone through a proxy asked me what the Ethereum item 5 was worth. It was red and had a red interior but also had a red painted like plenum and that mods and 180,000 miles.

[Doug]

Do you think it's worth.

[Kenan]

They wanted to feel like it was worth like almost 50 grand. I'm like, no, but it's like you might think that but it's like if you look at the comp.

[Filippo]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Kenan]

The other thing is like using classic.com or using our site and going through. You can kind of see where stuff falls and get a good idea.

[Doug]

I think there's less of an issue with this than there used to be.

[Kenan]

I think so much more data. Stuff is more defined and like there's good information out there to make a. So we are armed with good information. We're not trying to like rip people off or anything. It's like here's realistically what your car is worth.

[Filippo]

We have an entire team that is dedicated to looking at market values and advising and their goal is not. Let's give you the lowest reserve number possible. Their goal is. Here are a bunch of. We are experts in this. Our literal jobs. Yeah. Is to look at all the data. Here's what we think it's worth. Yeah. And then we can have a conversation. Right.

[Kenan]

So yes, it does happen.

[Filippo]

Oh man. Doesn't happen. Yes.

[Doug]

But they usually don't see the site.

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[Doug]

Next question from Aiden Wiesel. Question for Canon and Filippo. Doug has already made a video on the worst cars he has ever owned. What are the worst cars you guys have ever bought?

[Filippo]

I've. I. I once bought a Kia Spectra for a dollar. Not a good car.

[Doug]

That was definitely worth a dollar.

[Filippo]

It's a good story.

[Kenan]

You should tell that story a little more.

[Filippo]

Edmunds thought it was worth negative 37 but I swear it was worth $1.

[Doug]

At least.

[Filippo]

I haven't bought that many bad, bad cars.

[Doug]

That's.

[Filippo]

I had an ND Me. Excuse me. An NB Miata that I was a tough one. My Fiat is a little tougher now but I never bought a really, really bad car.

[Doug]

You never bought a great caution.

[Kenan]

I'm trying to think. I had a. I mean I've owned mostly BMWs but my E46 330xi was very rusty. So much so I got to Work one day and the part of the rear wheel arch had just flaked off.

[Doug]

It is worth pointing out though that Canon and Filippo between them have not owned that many cars. We're very cautious, unlike some of the other folks like Nick. If he came on here, he'd probably have better, better answers. Had like 20 cars probably. But like.

[Filippo]

Right.

[Kenan]

But I commit, I buy you guys.

[Doug]

You've probably had like four cars. Five.

[Kenan]

Five.

[Doug]

I think it's probably about the same with you.

[Filippo]

Right? So I've had like seven, eight, nine, ten. Somewhere in there.

[Doug]

Yeah, like five.

[Filippo]

Gotta count.

[Kenan]

Not that many.

[Doug]

I don't know why he's saying 7, 8, 9, 10.

[Filippo]

I gotta count. I don't remember.

[Doug]

He's got three of them right now, I guess. But before that.

[Filippo]

Right. I own three cars right now.

[Doug]

Okay.

[Filippo]

You gotta mind.

[Doug]

Yeah. You gotta sell it. Fiat. Next question from cthomp71. Question for Doug. Saw a video on social media where it spotted you in your countach and as you stepped out, you weren't wearing shoes. Why do you do this? Oh my God. I've gotten this question now so many times that it's difficult for me to live. I replied to that video and I replied like 4 hours after it was posted and it was just not enough. And the video had gotten seen zillions of times. I've now been asked this question four separate times since that video went up. Even though I replied, I also when we. When I first announced the countach, I talked about it in that video. I've talked about it on social media in a bunch of different places. But here we are still replying.

[Filippo]

The answer is one last time.

[Doug]

No, it's not going to be the last time. I guarantee a year from now there will be a new crop of people who come up and that'd be some other video of me getting in the Kunta. No shoes on the link.

[Kenan]

This is your delorean thing. This is annoys you about why you don't have any shoes on.

[Doug]

Oh man, I have. I had a guy walk up to it yesterday, asked me about it. I was like borderline rude. I was like, look at the comments. My feet are too big to fit in the pedal box. The pedal box of these cars is tight. It's a tube frame. Some of the tubes must go right under there. Pedal box is really tight. So I can't wear shoes and drive the car. At least my shoe size, which is 14. And so if I try to do that, I will press the accelerator and the brake at the same Time. I'll press the brake and the clutch at the same time. It keeps. It can't be done for me. So I wear the car bare feet, which honestly is. I drive the car barefeet, which honestly is fine. Like, I don't find it to be difficult at all, actually. People were like, oh my God, he got out and then he stepped in the dirt.

[Filippo]

It's like if, if you're the owner of a driving shoe company, maybe reach out, maybe Doug will accept a sponsorship.

[Doug]

I don't think the driving shoes would help. I, I think that if you could get something really that perfectly fits my foot. But even, even without shoes, it's. It's kind of tight in there, right?

[Kenan]

I mean, I'm my. I wear ten and a halfs. And even so like I moved the car on and off of the transporter and I took my shoes off because I can't. Same thing. I just, I can't. It is really tight in there. Even for normal sized humans. It's a. It is a really. It's just. It was designed first and engineered second.

[Doug]

I'll tell you something. Sitting in bumper to bumper with no shoes on, hard because that pedal is.

[Kenan]

Digging right near your foot, right in.

[Doug]

Your foot and the clutch is heavy. And. And like I would get into situations where like we're at a stoplight and like eight cars get through and I would just sit. And like I'm gonna sit nine car lengths back and just like when the light turns green, then I'll go. But like, I cannot continue to move up three cars at a time. It got. It got hard. But you have to do it that way. There's no other option. So that's the answer to that. And with regards to one time someone tagged me in a post and was like you, he got in to preserve the leather with no shoes on.

[Filippo]

No.

[Doug]

I don't. I like use the car. We took the car down at dirt road. I probably did a mile of dirt road driving in the car. I don't participate in preservation. I participated, of course.

[Kenan]

It was the Chuck Spielman preservation.

[Doug]

Ironic. Okay, next question from Boost Bear 720. Do you think the Jaguar F Type will ever become a takeover vehicle like the G35 G37?

[Filippo]

Interesting.

[Doug]

What are some cars that you see coming? Takeover vehicles in the future? No, I don't outside tell you why. To me, the takeover vehicles, there's two really. It's the Charger Challenger and it's the G35 G37. And like the Z, it's on Z.

[Filippo]

The last generation M4 Camaros too. Last generation M4 is that.

[Doug]

Dude, when I watch takeover videos, which is all the time, seriously, I don't see M4s there.

[Filippo]

They're around.

[Doug]

You're watching. You probably watch high end takeovers like I do, right?

[Kenan]

I'm like flip watches the Beverly Hills takeover.

[Doug]

Yeah. Like I'm like St. Louis, Baltimore. Like legit fours are getting.

[Filippo]

Getting cheap. Cheap legitimately. And I think that those are the next ones.

[Doug]

My view is that the reason that the certain cars get big in takeovers is because they are cheap speed. And I think the F type doesn't quite have as much power as it needs. And I think it will never become cheap enough.

[Filippo]

I don't know about that.

[Doug]

With a rear wheel drive, I just. Rear wheel drive V8 ones.

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[Doug]

When they finally do become that cheap, they're not going to be cheap in the sense that they're cheap to own. Whereas a G37, you can buy one for six, put no money into it, swing it around a few times, bump into a grand marquee and a couple of people who are filming and drive off.

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[Doug]

Yeah.

[Kenan]

And that's what Harry was hoping to see.

[Doug]

Parts are available for. To replay repair if you want to repair if.

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[Doug]

Like you see a G with a bumper off that car was in a takeover accident. You know what I mean?

[Filippo]

Interesting.

[Doug]

Yeah.

[Filippo]

I saw a G35 coupe the other day in front of me driven by an 80 year old.

[Kenan]

Thank you for that tidbit.

[Doug]

What's the next. I was on the road trip today and I saw it. I was by your house, I saw a Panamera. Right.

[Filippo]

Congratulations.

[Doug]

And I'm in the. I'm in the courage and I'm like, all right. And it was a first gen Panamera, you know, the big boy. And I pull up next to it and is the oldest woman I have ever seen in my life driving with her handicap placard on the.

[Filippo]

Of course.

[Doug]

And she's sitting on like all sorts of stuff to get her like up.

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[Doug]

Okay, last two questions.

[Filippo]

Should have gotten the carbon buckets from Corvette guy 10.

[Doug]

Yeah, she shut up. Question for Filippo. With the ZR1X and now the new CX concepts, what do you think the future of the Corvette will look like? Filippo, as a Corvette man, I believe this question is for you. Corvette has always been fast, affordable American sports car. But do you now think they will go EV or more expensive?

[Filippo]

So Chevrolet revealed a CX concept which you could interpret to being C10 or just circumstances, something. Right. I don't expect the next generation or two generations to be notably distinct from what they're doing right now. Mid engine was new for C8. I expected to continue that. I expect to continue with gas. But Corvette has always been about what is the best way for us to compete with European supercars in a more affordable way. Not only a cheap way, but a more affordable way. And I don't know how you do that 10, 15 years from now without going electric. I think you, if your goal is how do we compete. Compete on performance. You will have to go hybrid and. Or electric and they're already going hybrid. So yes, I think I'll go hybrid and I think they'll kind of keep adapting to whatever.

[Doug]

Will it get more expensive?

[Filippo]

Inflation adjusted Corvette prices are down.

[Doug]

I agree. I don't think it'll get more expensive now. People now lament how expensive it is. But if you adjust for inflation, it costs the same as the C4, same as the C5.

[Filippo]

So I don't expect that, but it.

[Doug]

Will be a lot.

[Filippo]

I wouldn't, I'd be shocked if it wasn't at some point electric or heavily hybrid with some electric top end ones.

[Kenan]

Yeah, I mean you could look at it that way, that maybe the way they go, they compete with the European manufacturers, offer more of an experience with a gasoline engine. There, there are things that.

[Filippo]

But they've never been about the experience. They've always been about sheer performance.

[Kenan]

Things are going to change like the experience of a sports car and what you want versus the performance of a sports car. I mean Mata Remot's kind of proved that.

[Filippo]

Yeah, he's still.

[Doug]

Yeah, but, but nonetheless I agree that hybridization is just of course, like.

[Kenan]

But I, I do. It'll be interesting to see how they permutate things going forward, especially for American consumers that want.

[Doug]

Also, how do you follow up on the C8?

[Kenan]

I mean it's so good and the cars they're coming out with now are.

[Filippo]

Can make it attractive, I guess, but that's hard.

[Doug]

They make it attractive. The C8 suffers from the trunk space issue.

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[Doug]

But if you have the required space issue, it would look better. However, I don't think it looks bad.

[Filippo]

To be clear, I still think the.

[Doug]

C8 is the best looking Corvette aside from this. Or is the best Corvette aside From the C, C2 the best Corvette? Not best looking.

[Filippo]

Yeah, no, for sure.

[Doug]

Kenan and I are C3 guys in terms of looks.

[Filippo]

I think the C3 and C7 are the best looking Corvettes.

[Doug]

I'm a C2 I will say here's.

[Filippo]

Here's what they're going to do.

[Doug]

Here's they're going to do C5, C6 and C7 were all kind of derivatives of each other. That's what they'll do with C8, C8, C9 and C10 are going to look pretty similar.

[Filippo]

I think they've already shown that they're willing to have production runs go longer where we're five years into it and just had the mid cycle refresh. The C7 went from 2014 to 2019. So that entire run was five years. We've had five or two. C8 I think seven has a short.

[Doug]

Run but yeah, I think they'll stretch it out.

[Filippo]

Yeah. And then C9 I think will be equivalent to C8. I mean better proved but like same structure. C10, who knows.

[Doug]

Okay, last question from BMAN. Good. Hey Doug, what is your favorite generation of WRX and what is your favorite rally inspired street car? I don't know about favorite rallying inspired Streetcar. Evo Delta, Delta Integrale, Evo followed by the regular Evo.

[Filippo]

How. Not the R5 Turbo?

[Doug]

No, Delta Integrale or Evo Evo 6. One of the two. Really? Yeah. No, not the R5 Turbo.

[Filippo]

Really.

[Doug]

However, what is your favorite generation WRX? Now there's a question. There's.

[Filippo]

We're going to get the hottest take of the day. I don't want to rank. No, no, no. Just.

[Doug]

Yeah, let's rank them.

[Filippo]

Just go for favorite.

[Doug]

Let's rank them just for favorite. We all agree the worst wrx. Let me pull up the list.

[Filippo]

Yeah, we need a list of WRXs.

[Doug]

The worst WRX was the 3rd gen.

[Filippo]

So the.

[Doug]

Worst.

[Filippo]

No, no, there's a lot of good WRX. Let me think about this third.

[Doug]

There's five. There's five. Okay, there's five WRXs. Okay, but that.

[Filippo]

That has the second best hatch.

[Doug]

Yes, the hatch. So that's the hard part about the third gen.

[Filippo]

Right.

[Doug]

The best hatch was the third gen.

[Filippo]

The. The second gen was kind of a wagon in that house.

[Doug]

But they didn't do. Oh, it's part.

[Filippo]

We did not say us.

[Kenan]

The third gen hatch looks so good. It's.

[Filippo]

The third gen hatch is a great looking auto.

[Doug]

I think the 3rd gen hatch is ugly. But it was. It was a fantastically good car and it was very special.

[Filippo]

What are we ranking here?

[Doug]

Both because it's part of it.

[Filippo]

No, the current gen doesn't have an sti. Well, what do you do?

[Doug]

Well, it's just part of it. It's just you say WRX, you think about the STI, you think about the type RN, you think about the 22B. It's all part of it.

[Filippo]

2022. You don't.

[Kenan]

You're going to say the new one is your favorite.

[Filippo]

Yeah, that's what I was ready for. But now that he's saying STIs are.

[Doug]

Required, third gen is the worst. Third gen is the worst. And I say that with a heavy heart because I love the third gen STI hatch. The third gen st. Here's a hot take for you. The third gen STI hatch model might be my favorite wrx but the generation of overall WRX is bad. A regular non STI third gen WRX sedan is a tough car.

[Filippo]

What about first gen? I'm not a huge first gen guy.

[Doug]

The 92 to 02?

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[Doug]

Are you kidding?

[Filippo]

Well, ninth gen 2000.

[Doug]

Seminal. It changed the world. That car changed the world. That might be my number one. Oh, to this day when I see clean pull up a clean second gen chain. To this day when I see a clean, clean early WRX on cars and bits.

[Filippo]

Second, you can use the year filter.

[Doug]

When I see a clean early. So like up to. Up to like.

[Filippo]

Yeah, no, no, you can start on 1900. It's okay.

[Kenan]

Yeah, but it's gonna give me all the Evo sixes and everything before.

[Doug]

That's fine. 2000. Yeah.

[Filippo]

There you go.

[Doug]

Oh yeah, sure.

[Filippo]

If you have the really nicest version.

[Doug]

This was bit to 20. Dude. This is a 20 car. I thought about buying this.

[Filippo]

That's what the, the market feels about the first gen wrx.

[Doug]

It is such. But it's seminal. It's a. It's a such special car.

[Filippo]

The second gen is a little bit more seminal.

[Doug]

The second gen was. Was very special for the US market.

[Filippo]

For the US which is where. I'm sorry, where do we live?

[Doug]

I know but now these are here. Look at this one. Oh. Seven grand, right? The market. Nice rx.

[Filippo]

They're interesting or notable or cool. I agree that they're cool.

[Doug]

I grew up with this car. I mean we didn't have one but.

[Filippo]

When I grew up in Denver, this.

[Doug]

Was the coolest car you could imagine. Yeah, this dude's in Colorado and he blacked out. He blocked out one of the letters Sometimes. Sometimes. Okay, go back to the thing. Go back to the thing.

[Filippo]

All right.

[Doug]

So third gen's the worst.

[Filippo]

Second just second gen best. Wow. Second gen best. Second gen best. Wow.

[Doug]

Second gen best. Yeah.

[Filippo]

I mean.

[Doug]

Yes. Oh my God.

[Filippo]

You agree this is the best part.

[Doug]

Of this is too hard to rank.

[Filippo]

You agree with that?

[Doug]

There are three generations that I want to rank as the best. The second gen, the first gen, the second gen, the first gen and the new one. And I got to tell you, the previous body, the one that just ended the 2014 through Forever 21, that's like right behind them.

[Filippo]

Yeah, they're all good.

[Doug]

I love that car.

[Filippo]

The va.

[Doug]

The va. I love that, that car. I like the new one a little better. But the VA had an sti.

[Filippo]

Yeah but if the STI VA was a little.

[Doug]

If we're comparing WRX to wrx, I like the new one more than the.

[Filippo]

Va. Yeah, the new one has grown on me. A surprising.

[Doug]

It also just drives fantastically. It's phenomenal how it drives.

[Filippo]

But second gen, second gen is the top. We can all agree. We can all agree.

[Doug]

2Nd gen change the world.

[Filippo]

It's changed the world. 2nd gen change the world.

[Doug]

Like it showed up in the States and was like Japan pulled their sports cars out of the. Let me tell me tell you something. In 97, 98, the supra left, the RX7 left, the 3000 GT left. We thought it was all over. We thought it was all done. And then Honda stuck around with the Integra for that era like the late 90s, early 2000s, the Integra type R was like the last gasp of the Japanese sports car, the NSX, which wasn't selling. And then in 02, I never will forget when the 04 STI came out, I never will forget that the STI was there, the EVO was there, the WRX was there. And there were rumors that there was going to be a gtr, a Skyline GTR at that time coming to the States and it was like, oh my God, the Japanese sports car is back. This car changed the world. And the, the in terms of like perform. There's a generation who grew up on this with this and modding this car and, and, and 100% learning about cars from this car. Yeah, this is when I'm crashing.

[Filippo]

This is still what I think.

[Doug]

Yeah, I think of, I think of an O2 bug. Ey.

[Filippo]

Yeah, I think sure I did. Yeah.

[Doug]

Blue Bug ey. Pull up, pull up a nice blue bug eye. When I was in high school, I can't tell you how much I wanted.

[Kenan]

A nice type in blue Bug.

[Doug]

No, no, scroll down a little. You'll pull one up.

[Kenan]

Oh, it's a nice one.

[Filippo]

Or they're Good. Look at that. 06 not like, no, I don't want.

[Doug]

I don't want to hawk and I don't want a block.

[Filippo]

You want.

[Doug]

I want a bug.

[Filippo]

You want a bug.

[Doug]

That one. Oh, there, there, there, there, there, there. That car. I wanted this car more than any. It was rusty. I wanted this car more than any other car when I was in high school.

[Filippo]

Remember?

[Doug]

Dude, I don't know. I. I was looking at it the other day, I was like, maybe you should have bought this thing.

[Filippo]

What a good car though. Without a wing is a wild look at 227.

[Doug]

They were sold without a wing. That's OE. There was like a premium package that included a wing as an option. And so some of them didn't have a wing. And the sedan was the way to go because the hatch didn't have the flared fenders. I don't know what your answer is. I can't do it. I can't rank the W. Well, you.

[Kenan]

Just can't do is hard. If you say they're all first is third, I'd say if you say that.

[Doug]

You'Re excluding the newie and the firsty. The first.

[Filippo]

The first one doesn't do anything for me.

[Doug]

Oh, it's so. It's so seminal.

[Filippo]

The.

[Doug]

The.

[Filippo]

The first one is like an early Lancer Evo. Like you know it existed, but they're all kind of the same.

[Doug]

No, there's some with big wins.

[Filippo]

Yeah, true of an evo3 too. Somehow there's 13 trillion evo numbers.

[Kenan]

But it's a shame I can't. That's my. I mean, that's my favorite.

[Filippo]

You drove one and did not enjoy it. Okay, right.

[Doug]

We gotta finish this.

[Filippo]

So it goes.

[Doug]

The third is the worst.

[Filippo]

Ah, third.

[Doug]

The best is a four way tie between the first, second, fourth and fifth.

[Filippo]

Can we just make it a five way tie?

[Doug]

No, the third deserves to be shamed. Although the third has that hatchback, which is the best of it all.

[Filippo]

Yeah, I agree.

[Doug]

So what do you do? What do you do?

[Filippo]

Buy one of each.

[Doug]

I do like the fourth less than the. The new.

[Filippo]

Yeah, I agree with that.

[Doug]

But the fourth had. The fourth had the S209.

[Filippo]

That was a special car, but I. It never did anything for me specifically.

[Doug]

You don't know cars.

[Filippo]

One of my neighbors, there's a little side story. So somebody in my neighborhood has a. A WRX sti blue va, last gen. And then her significant other, they have a couple kids, has a Prius, a blue Prius. And I find that fascinating because how do you as a family have a Prius and then a late model VAW.

[Kenan]

Because she wants to drive a cool car and he doesn't care.

[Doug]

I know. I get that.

[Filippo]

But, like, that's how I. I want to have two cool cars and I will make my significant other drive a cool.

[Doug]

Okay, second gen first.

[Filippo]

Thank you.

[Doug]

Then new.

[Filippo]

I need him to get time to get there.

[Doug]

Then fourth, then first, then third.

[Filippo]

Okay.

[Doug]

Goodbye, everyone. It's the greatest podcast we've ever done.

[Kenan]

Ridiculous.

[Doug]

Ken, any parting thoughts?

[Kenan]

No, I like the. The WRX is great. I don't really have anything to add.

[Doug]

Thank you, everyone. Good night.

[Filippo]

Goodbye.