Nissan is Back! New Skyline, Xterra and Juke! GT3 Convertible Is Here! THIS CAR POD! EP107

Summary

THIS CAR POD! EP107 — Nissan is Back! New Skyline, Xterra, and Juke! GT3 Convertible & More

Date: April 17, 2026
Host: Doug DeMuro
Guests: Kenan, Filippo
Podcast Theme: Deep-dive analysis of the latest automotive news with a strong focus on enthusiast vehicles, automotive market trends, and car culture — delivered with Doug & friends’ signature blend of expertise and playful banter.

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Overview of Episode

This episode covers a flurry of exciting auto news focusing on Nissan’s comeback with new models (Skyline, Xterra, Juke), the debut of the Porsche 911 GT3 SC (convertible), the new Chevrolet Corvette Grand Sport, and Rolls-Royce’s electrified coachbuilt “Nightingale.” The trio also answers outstanding fan questions, discusses the resurgence of Mercedes-Benz coupes and the Lotus Emira market, and sprinkles in stories from their own car escapades.

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Key Discussion Points

1. Porsche 911 GT3 SC Convertible (01:07–06:37)

• Reveal & Details: The first full convertible GT3 from Porsche, the 911 GT3S/C (Sport Cabriolet), is manual-only due to homologation requirements and enthusiast demand.
• Specs: 4.0L NA engine, 500hp, 340 lb-ft, no rear seats, manual exclusively.
• Market Position: Not a limited-run car; significantly cheaper than a similarly specced coupe.
• Enthusiast Reactions: Manual transmission restricts buyers to true enthusiasts — potential to be rare and valuable.
• Quote: “This is the first time they've done a convertible GT3...all of the enthusiasts who complained that the Spyder RS was Tiptronic-only — now we have a manual only, which is completely different.” — Doug (02:11)
• Anecdotes: Porsche program boss Andreas Preuninger’s love of convertibles (04:44). Surprise at the price being $20k–$30k less than coupe equivalents (04:46).
• Thoughts on Market: If the GT3 must one day go hybrid/turbo, Porsche will “make it great.” (06:37)

2. Nissan’s Comeback: Skyline, Xterra, Juke (06:57–20:00)

• Skyline Revival (06:57–11:34):
  • Back as the Infiniti Q50 in the US with rumored Nissan Z Nismo manual powertrain.
  • Possible GTR return hinted.
  • Manual’s comeback as a market credibility move — Doug credits Porsche’s manual advocacy for nudging others.
  • Quote: “Five years ago, if you had told me Infiniti was going to bring back the manual…I never would have guessed it…Thank you Porsche.” — Doug (08:47)
  • Original Skyline/G lineage explained; excitement over sedans with enthusiasts in mind.
• Xterra Return (12:36–16:13):
  • V6 and V6 hybrid only; rugged, boxy looks; built on new Frontier/Mitsubishi architecture.
  • Targeted competition: cited Toyota’s high-priced, four-cylinder 4Runner (13:03).
  • Timeline: Late 2028 for Xterra, 2027 for Q50/Skyline (14:14).
  • Excitement over the rugged SUV’s comeback and implications for Mitsubishi’s possible US return with Pajero/Montero.
• Juke Returns (19:06–20:30):
  • Third-generation Juke is more attractive; aligns with segment but maintains funky style.
  • Likely Europe-only, riding on Leaf’s electric platform — not expected to be US-bound.

3. Chevrolet Corvette Grand Sport C8 (20:39–24:28)

• Specs & Positioning:
  • New 6.7L V8 LS6 (535hp), wide body, track package option (109k with track perks), available as AWD hybrid (E-Ray Grand Sport).
  • Impressive 0–60 times (base Stingray: 2.9s).
  • Market analysis: C8 remains “the hottest car on the market” (22:11); Grand Sport is “the Corvette to have” — affordable, looks the part, delivers on day-to-day speed.
• Quote: “The C8 has come and it's the hottest car on the market…still the coolest damn thing in the world.” — Doug (22:09)
• Discussion: Affordability, configuration recommendations, and the car’s lasting appeal after six years on sale.

4. Rolls-Royce Nightingale: Coachbuilt Electric Spectacle (24:29–30:18)

• Overview:
  • First model in new “coachbuilt” series; 100 units, based on Spectre EV platform.
  • Specs: 18.9 feet long, 2-seat only, over 1 million USD, 10,000-star interior lighting referencing French Riviera “Le Rossignol” estate.
• Electrification in Luxury: Doug sees this as a big win for ultra-luxury design flexibility.
• Quote: “This is so cool looking…BMW, this is how you integrate a big grill.” — Kenan (25:21)
• Market note: Analogous to legendary but depreciation-prone Camargue; speculation on values for limited-edition coachbuilts.

5. Chrysler Pacifica Off-Road & Minivan Performance (30:18–32:25)

• Pacifica Off-Road Prototype: Enthusiasm for family-hauling off-roaders remains, but skepticism about automakers truly delivering “Hellcat minivans.”
• Industry Hesitation: Discussion around cost and perceived market size for high-performance minivans.

6. Lucid’s New CEO from the Elevator World (32:36–35:20)

• New CEO: Silvio Napoli, late of Schindler Group (elevators), appointed for manufacturing/operational rigor.
• Quote (Doug, satirical): “No one in the automotive industry wants this job. Elevators have wheels and belts…it’s close enough.” (34:01)
• Market Context: Lucid in dire need of sustainable leadership; new capital infusion from Saudis.

7. Community Stories & Updates (35:41–47:22)

• Doug’s “Incognito” DC Story (36:40–41:29): Recognized in a battered Kia Sportage; amuses about blending in and the car’s quirks/reliability.
• Kenan’s 986 Boxster S Sale (44:05–46:11): Showcases the value of detail and documentation; strong endorsement for Boxsters as fun bargains.
• Filippo’s Charity Lap for ABTA (46:54–47:56): Teases behind-the-scenes auction for One Lap of America VIP experience; events and meetups plugged.

8. Event Plugs & Announcements (49:03–52:40)

• Long Beach Grand Prix Avants Pit Stop: April 18th — fan meetup; use code for VIP entry.
• Velocity Invitational (Sonoma, end of May): First-ever live Cars & Bids auction, including Alfa TZ.
• Market Report sponsored by Cars & Bids: App exclusive, more features coming.

9. Market Report Highlights (53:16–61:27)

• Mercedes-Benz Coupes Surge (53:16–55:47):
  • S65, SL65, AMG GT values exceed expectations — coupes no longer quickly depreciate.
  • “Mercedes-Benz coupes are suddenly expensive. How did this happen, Kenan?” — Doug (56:33)
• SL65, AMG GT, SLS market comparisons
• Lotus Emira Value Holding (58:15–60:31):
  • Used Emiras remain near new prices. Supply/demand and enthusiast appeal versus Lotus’ uncertain future.
  • Amira’s Toyota V6 explained (61:07).
• Hyundai Equus Hidden Costs (62:56–65:10):
  • Maintenance disaster: $10k suspension service on an $18k car emphasizes “an expensive car may become cheap but remains expensive to repair.”

10. Q&A — Notable Questions & Banter (65:10–82:58)

• Fast & Furious: Modern Hero/Villain Car Casting (65:48–71:07):
  • Supra (A90), electric Charger, R35 GTR suggested as modern equivalents.
  • Classic car talk: WS6 Firebird lovefest.
• Most Unrewarding, Maintenance-Heavy Cars (72:00–74:44):
  • Jaguar XJS, Land Rover Range Rover P38, early Porsche 928 mentioned. Praise for 993 and GTS models.
• Least Luxurious “Luxury” Brand (77:52–80:11):
  • Consensus: Tesla — “luxury” in image, not experience.
• Fleet Sales & Why They Matter Less (81:34–83:58):
  • Fleet sales lack profit and consumer desirability; detailed industry context.

11. Listener Gifts & Fun (85:04–87:10)

• BMW Clock & Model Cars: Shoutouts to listeners Nick and David for thoughtful (and metal!) gifts. Playful banter on who gets which die-cast.

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• On convertible GT3s:
  “You have a 911. That’s valuable. You live in SoCal. You are literally the buyer.” — Doug (04:34)
• On Nissan’s comeback:
  “Nissan might—turn off the Nissan Death Watch!” — Doug (14:19)
• Chevy C8 Legacy:
  “The C8...still the coolest damn thing in the world.” — Doug (22:11)
• On Lucid’s New CEO:
  “Elevators have wheels and belts...it’s close enough.” — Doug (34:01, joking)
• On Mercedes Coupe Values:
  “In my history of life, what happens after a Mercedes-Benz coupe is sold new? It depreciates to zero. Well, that seems to not be the case anymore.” — Doug (53:16)
• On most disappointing luxury brand:
  “Tesla is the least luxurious luxury car brand. It’s luxurious in name alone.” — Doug (80:02)
• On Fast & Furious modern hero car:
  “Supra’s the hero car. The current best JDM sports car, I think.” — Doug (67:14)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

| Topic | Timestamp | |--------------------------------------------------------------|-------------| | Porsche 911 GT3S/C Debut | 01:07–06:37 | | Nissan Skyline, Xterra & Juke Comebacks | 06:57–20:30 | | Corvette Grand Sport Deep Dive | 20:39–24:28 | | Rolls-Royce Nightingale Coachbuilt & Coachbuilding Trend | 24:29–30:18 | | Chrysler Pacifica Off-road & Hellcat Minivan Wish | 30:18–32:25 | | Lucid CEO Appointment Banter | 32:36–35:20 | | Doug’s DC Kia Sportage “Incognito” Story | 36:40–41:29 | | Kenan’s Boxster S Sale Story | 44:05–46:11 | | Filippo’s Charity Lap/Event Plugs | 46:54–47:56 | | Events: Long Beach, Sonoma Velocity Invitational | 49:03–52:40 | | Market Report: Benz Coupes, Lotus Emira, Hyundai Equus Costs | 53:16–65:10 | | Q&A: Fast & Furious, Maintenance Nightmares, Luxury Brands | 65:10–82:58 | | Listener Gifts, Outro Banter | 85:04–87:10 |

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Tone & Format

• Conversational yet expert; playful sarcasm, in-jokes, digressions into personal anecdotes.
• Each story analyzed with both practical market knowledge and enthusiast passion.
• Regular callbacks: inside jokes about “Ryan Lopez,” “Producer Sean,” value of supporting manual transmissions, etc.

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For Listeners Who Missed the Episode

This episode delivers top-tier enthusiast and market coverage:

• Nissan’s resurrection with enthusiast-centric models, including a possible manual Skyline.
• Porsche’s game-changing GT3 convertible — a fast, pure enthusiast’s car sure to be collectible.
• The Corvette C8’s enduring stardom, Rolls-Royce’s stunning bespoke EV, and the SUV/minivan segment’s “what could be.”
• A lively, insightful market report seeing German and British performance icons (and underdogs like the Lotus Emira) maintain strong value.
• Entertaining stories and listener questions round out an info-rich, fun, and expert-packed listen.

Don’t miss the recurring theme:
Manual transmissions, “real” enthusiast cars, and the value in the details — whether restoring, buying, or dreaming!

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Transcript

[Doug DeMuro]

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[Filippo]

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[Kenan]

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[Doug DeMuro]

Hello and welcome to this car pod.

[Kenan]

I'm Kenan.

[Filippo]

I'm Filippo.

[Doug DeMuro]

I'm Doug. The regular crew is back and there's a lot to discuss. Let's start with the new GT3 convertible. Filippo, you hear about this?

[Filippo]

Yeah, the new S C. Correct.

[Kenan]

Not the SC together like the old one.

[Filippo]

That'd be weird.

[Doug DeMuro]

S dash C. It's 911 GT3S slash C. Right. Okay.

[Kenan]

They have to say the slash.

[Doug DeMuro]

So this is essentially a GT3 convertible. SC stands for sport cabriolet, as it always did. It has the same 4 liter from the GT3.500 horse, 340 pound feet. Something like that. Manual only.

[Filippo]

Yep.

[Doug DeMuro]

And what do you think?

[Kenan]

Well, you know why it's manual only? There's a reason why it's not just for, like, driving involvement. The reason is for homologation purposes. So they could build it on the same platform. The car had to weigh the same as the GT3 Touring. Now it weighs about the same as the GT3 Touring with PDK if it has a manual in the top.

[Doug DeMuro]

But what homologation.

[Kenan]

I mean, for like a mission. If it. There's some like. Yeah. So like. So in order to keep the NA engine and not have to redevelop the car, that is the reason it has a manual. Thank God. Of course. We're all happy it does.

[Doug DeMuro]

This is a big deal. This is the first time they've done a convertible GT3. They did. On the 991 chassis. They did the Speedster, but it was a limited production car. Presumably this will not be a limited production car.

[Filippo]

They have said it will not be

[Doug DeMuro]

all of the enthusiasts who complained that the Spyder RS was tiptronic. Only now we have a manual Only who is completely different.

[Filippo]

Carb. Car four.

[Doug DeMuro]

What do you mean car four? You.

[Filippo]

No, no, no, it's cool. In Southern California we'll see a ton of them. But like in the roadmap for Porsche of like we want to target this set of enthusiasts who in theory wants a very track ready convertible.

[Kenan]

Well, Andreas Preninger, ap, as you call him in your Porsche community says that he always loved convertibles. He had a993 Cabriolet. He likes the idea of being able to listen to the na engine and experience like the summer, blah blah, blah.

[Doug DeMuro]

I don't think Porsche Ferrari does this. They have a con portable versions of all of their high performance, high performance. The Pista and the Speciale and the 16m since the 16m on.

[Kenan]

Yeah.

[Doug DeMuro]

And I remember when the 16m came out I had his very question and then they sold them all and now those cars sell for a million bucks. So in a way it makes sense.

[Kenan]

Well, you don't. You know what I like about this is that it makes people kind of honest with how they're using. A lot of people buy the GT3 because they want the hardcore truck version. It's like they are too afraid to go to a truck day because an errant stone chip might devalue their car. This is kind of honest. It's like you're just cruising around.

[Doug DeMuro]

People will still not buy this car though. They still view themselves as like focused enthusiasts even though they're just laughable.

[Filippo]

People drive a man. They don't know how to drive a manual.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah, well that's true in a way. That's kind of an interesting component of this car because typically the convertibles are always the softer cars. They're more traditionally automatics, et cetera. This one is by necessity you have to be like a pretty legit enthusiast to that end. I wonder if they will actually sell fewer of these. The real enthusiasts are going to still buy those coupes, which has always been the case with Boxer Cayman. The real enthusiasts by the Cayman because we needed our rigidity even though they can't tell. And the people who just sort of want the look and all that can't buy this because it has a manual. And so it's kind of, it is going to be kind of a weird.

[Kenan]

It'll be a weird signal. I don't know what to make of it yet.

[Doug DeMuro]

It might end up being rare and valuable. Obviously.

[Kenan]

It very well may be. I will say I've watched every review of this car that's come out so and Chris Harris like Set up as, like, he drove it around VI and said, I. I can't tell dynamically the difference between this and the coupe. And admittedly, he was there with Weissock and Porsche, but it's like, I believe it. You know, it's like I do pretty much believe this. Like, they did. A lot of the strengthening is all done in carbon fiber. So again, weight was the big concern here.

[Filippo]

But body, stability, virginity's gone.

[Doug DeMuro]

This is exact for you. You have a 911. That's valuable. You have $100,000. $911. You live in Southern California. You have a manual transmission. You are literally the buyer.

[Filippo]

I will say we do have pricing on this.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah.

[Filippo]

And if you compare it to a similarly spec GT3, because there are some things that come standard on the convertible. It is, what, $20,000, $30,000 cheaper than a comparable GT3 coupe bargain car. It is kind of a bargain.

[Doug DeMuro]

Why don't you go pick one up then, bargain boy?

[Filippo]

I mean, it's a bargain at $300. Dread. Whatever, isn't it?

[Doug DeMuro]

275 base.

[Filippo]

Great.

[Doug DeMuro]

You can't. You can't participate in that. These are not going to leave the dealers under 400.

[Kenan]

No. Yeah.

[Filippo]

They'll be flipped for a while, too. I mean, it's cool.

[Doug DeMuro]

I think it's cool.

[Kenan]

I think it's cool. I really. I don't have as big a problem with it as I thought I would. Initially, conceptually, I was like. But then I thought more about the speed strands. Like, you know, there's an appeal for

[Doug DeMuro]

people who, like, I'm a convertible guy. This is what I would buy if I had any interest in a992, which I have this much.

[Filippo]

Right. That's a little bit zero. You love the ST, though.

[Doug DeMuro]

I was driving my 993 Twin Turbo yesterday, and I got up next to a992 GTS, which is like the one T hybrid. Yeah, T hybrid with the things in the front makes it look like fish gills. And I'm expecting, okay, we had 911, you know, and I don't ever like to the new 911 people, I never like to participate in, but I look over ancient woman driving this 919 GTS, look at her, and it's like, yeah, good for her. But at the same time, it's like she didn't care at all about my car. She had no. She had no idea I was even looking at her.

[Filippo]

And it's like she maybe couldn't see that far.

[Kenan]

Well, in Southern California, we're so biased by this. But, like, Porsches are often just bought as normal cars for a lot of people here. Like, we just want, like a fun

[Doug DeMuro]

sports car, but also to like.

[Kenan]

Rich. Yeah, but they're rich, so. Exactly.

[Doug DeMuro]

So many.

[Kenan]

Yeah.

[Filippo]

It's cool.

[Kenan]

The last point I'll make on this is like, I'm so glad that it has an NA engine. And AP was asked many times about this engine if Porsche is going to continue to do this. And he said, he said it will be more challenging going forward, but there's a very good chance we figure out a way to keep NA engines around for the GT3, which I think in a convertible we can appreciate the sound of it. It makes a lot of sense to celebrate that engine.

[Doug DeMuro]

So I will say I drove that GTS T hybrid and it was awesome. So, like, if it comes to a point where the GT3 has to accept turbocharging and hybrids and all that stuff, which you have to assume it will someday, Porsche is the company to make it great.

[Kenan]

I agree with that wholeheartedly.

[Filippo]

By the way. Worth mentioning for all the fathers listening who want to carry their kids around. Two seat only.

[Doug DeMuro]

Two seat only. No back seats. Next news story. The big one of the week. Nissan has announced the return of the Skyline. Folks, this is a massive deal because Nissan, previous to this, was failing. Oh, wow. Filippo doesn't even. He doesn't even.

[Filippo]

What's the point?

[Doug DeMuro]

And they are no longer failing because they are bringing back the Skyline and specifically they are bringing back the R34 GTR.

[Kenan]

Right. And they're very proud of how it is. They're clearly proud of how this one looks.

[Filippo]

I think we have a rear picture in the next slide. Yeah, yeah.

[Kenan]

My point stands.

[Filippo]

In the US it will be coming back as an Infiniti Q50. It's what they've said. It'll be cold here, which makes sense.

[Doug DeMuro]

And a couple weeks ago, they said that Infiniti would be returning with a, like, fun, fun sports sedan and even suggested it have a manual transmission.

[Filippo]

Correct. We talked about this last weekend. We expected to have the engine and transmission from the Nissan Z Nismo, which it has a stick now, and that's likely what this will have.

[Doug DeMuro]

If you thought that takeovers were not going to be able to be supplied with cars. The Camaro was go. The Charger is electric. If you thought takeovers were going to be done in 15 years when all the cars got destroyed. No, no, they're back.

[Filippo]

There was news, literally today of a large car show. I don't remember where that had banned all VQ engine products.

[Kenan]

Yeah. Which I like.

[Filippo]

Which is great.

[Kenan]

You know what? Yeah, I get it.

[Filippo]

Well, now they'll have to.

[Doug DeMuro]

They gotta do with that car show. You show up in an Infiniti G25. Do you remember that?

[Filippo]

Yeah, I do. There was a period where they did

[Doug DeMuro]

a G37, but they also did a G25, same car. It was like 2010, probably. Anyway, so this is great news. The Skyline's back. Presumably that means a GTR will come back.

[Filippo]

There has been talk of a GTR being a part of this. They've said, I think we are already working on the gtr, which is great.

[Doug DeMuro]

The Skyline has, for those who don't know, the Skyline has historically been the Infiniti G. Since the G came out in 03, the Skyline has been sold basically unchanged in the United States as a regular car, the Infiniti G35, then the G37, then the Q50. So returning it as a Q50 is not a big surprise, except the surprise that they are still investing in sedans. But, you know, this is a cool car, a sporty sedan. I was reading this and thinking, they're coming back with a manual transmission. Five years ago, if you had told me Infiniti was somebody going to bring back, I mean, I never would have guessed it. But all these companies, I think we owe a little bit of a debt of gratitude to Porsche, which I hate to say on this podcast, because Porsche has made it clear that manual transmissions is kind of a path to getting some credibility with enthusiasts. And Porsche almost dropped it all and instead kind of kept it going. There was that 911R and then they came out, the manual GT3s are back and all that. And enthusiasts have flocked to those cars. They are on long waiting lists, they sell enormous numbers, they have huge secondary markets. And it has kept Porsche cool. Even if people aren't buying a manual, even if people are just buying a Macan. The brand has in part stayed cool due to the manual. And I have a suspicion that that itself has in part made BMW and now Infiniti and a couple other brands who probably would have just let it go, think, hey, I mean, Aston basically themselves announced that, hey, Porsche's doing this. We're going to do it too, for on those manual vantages.

[Kenan]

Yeah, no, absolutely. It was. Thanks. All thanks to the 911R. That was the car, that was the signal that for everything you just discussed. So thank you, Porsche. Very happy if this does come out as a manual that's my kind of car.

[Doug DeMuro]

It came out as a manual gtr, like that would be back with the gtr, but it had three pedals. Now, that's the way to enthusiast carts. And Nissan especially realizes that because the Nismo Z, when it came out, was auto only. And there was a huge blowback. And after a while they changed it. Same with the Supra. And maybe we get a manual Skyline again like the R34 that Filippo covets.

[Filippo]

Are you worried about how it will look?

[Kenan]

The tail light design is interesting. I kind of like that. It's kind of Ferrari ish with the.

[Doug DeMuro]

Well, also.

[Filippo]

I'm sorry, Kenan, the Nissan people are going to murder you. Are you aware of what the C

[Kenan]

ditch GTR I am familiar with styling trait.

[Doug DeMuro]

2009 Chevy Impala. No. Also that I'm going to tell you. Or 2006 impala. I'm going to tell you this, and I mean this with all the sincerity in my heart. There's never been an unattractive Nissan Skyline. And so I'm not worried about how it's going to look. They're going to do fine. There's never been an unattractive gtr. There's never been an unattractive Skyline. The stagia, that's a different conversation.

[Filippo]

Oh, fighting words today.

[Doug DeMuro]

But the sky, well, it's just got a big butt.

[Filippo]

So practical.

[Doug DeMuro]

But the Skylines have never not looked good.

[Filippo]

That's fair. Also, in general, Infiniti sedans look good.

[Doug DeMuro]

Infiniti's in general. You know, we were up today. We were doing something. I can't say yet. I don't think secret. And one of the fellows who was there at this company we were at, I said, so what are you driving? And he said, I have an Infiniti FX50.

[Filippo]

And I'm like, yeah, I hope it really was a car.

[Doug DeMuro]

No, it wasn't. But when was the last time you were in a car conversation and someone dropped that?

[Kenan]

You know, I went on a date with a girl a little while ago, and that's what she had.

[Doug DeMuro]

50 or 37.

[Kenan]

She had a 50.

[Doug DeMuro]

She had a V8.

[Kenan]

She took me out. It was pretty beat, but yes.

[Doug DeMuro]

Was it Emily?

[Kenan]

It was not Emily.

[Doug DeMuro]

Emily's still.

[Kenan]

This was long ago.

[Doug DeMuro]

This was. Oh, this is pre Emily. Pre Emily, which I was surprised.

[Kenan]

So much so that I asked to walk her to her car. So not as a gentleman, but also so I could see. I wanted to see this.

[Filippo]

I remember when you told me 100%

[Doug DeMuro]

you got to ask her to Send us a picture so we can verify.

[Kenan]

This was a long video.

[Filippo]

I said it was an FS45, but I'll accept 50.

[Doug DeMuro]

I bet it was a badge job. I bet this girl badged her fx37.

[Kenan]

Definitely. That's exactly.

[Filippo]

That's something people do for sure.

[Doug DeMuro]

Okay. The other big Nissan story is that they're also returning with the Xterra, which I have been announcing on this podcast that they should have done and made a horrible mistake by not doing. You know, I. First I said that the Lincoln Bronco was coming, then I said that the new Xterra was coming. Do you have a little bit of

[Filippo]

this victory lap already? Months ago when they said they were coming out with this.

[Doug DeMuro]

I'm taking it again, baby.

[Kenan]

What else you got for us?

[Doug DeMuro]

What did they say about powertrains?

[Filippo]

All right, we know that It'll be a V6 and a V6 Hybrid will be the powertrains. No, four cylinder Xterra.

[Doug DeMuro]

Oh, wow. They're like sticking the knife in Toyota. Yeah, they're looking at Toyota having trouble selling $80,000 four cylinder TRD Pro 4 runners and they're like, you know, we're going to give the people what they want.

[Filippo]

By the way, whereas the Q50 I think will be coming out in 2027. This will be second half of 2028. Second half of 2020.

[Doug DeMuro]

We're in the first half of 26.

[Filippo]

Yeah, it's only, you know, so.

[Doug DeMuro]

Okay, great.

[Filippo]

Two and a half years.

[Doug DeMuro]

Hey, two and a half years.

[Filippo]

But by all they showed a few teaser images and like it looks like it'll be very boxy and rugged looking and angular and kind of cool.

[Doug DeMuro]

One interesting thing I read was that it's going to be on the next generation Frontier architecture, which is shared with Mitsubishi. New Frontier just came out, but it's, it wasn't ever new anymore. Yeah, yeah.

[Filippo]

The Frontier is an interesting story where for a year they used the old body style but an entirely new powertrain. And then the next year they revealed the new body.

[Doug DeMuro]

But even the new body there was a lot of carryover.

[Filippo]

The interior was a carryover at this point.

[Doug DeMuro]

What's that?

[Filippo]

This was years ago.

[Doug DeMuro]

It was a few years ago. And by the, by 28, which is now three more years in the future, the Frontier will feel even older. But if they do come back with a fully redesigned new good Frontier and a new Xterra, they got a Skyline and a manual gtr. Nissan is doing it again.

[Kenan]

Nissan might.

[Doug DeMuro]

We're going to turn off the Nissan Death Watch.

[Filippo]

And not yet. They got these cars got to come out.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah, they got to come out.

[Kenan]

20, 28.

[Doug DeMuro]

We got to get there. But they're going to be like a thirsty person in the desert.

[Filippo]

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[Doug DeMuro]

Who said that that was announced that it may come back to the U.S.

[Filippo]

mitsubishi CEO has kind of started to tease it.

[Doug DeMuro]

Mitsubishi has CEO. They still are around. It's not just like group of people.

[Kenan]

It's not just Mpichi heavy industries.

[Doug DeMuro]

It's like, wait, can you pull up the final Montero please? Pajero. Type in like 2020 Pajero. You know about this car, Felipe?

[Filippo]

I don't know that I do.

[Doug DeMuro]

You ever see them? They sell them in Mexico. Look at this. Pull up this. Pull up this.

[Kenan]

I feel like I've seen this.

[Doug DeMuro]

Look at this. Now this looks in the States. They sold beginning in like 2003. They had love this gen but there was a next gen and they sold it. And I remember I went to the Middle east, you know, and you land there and these are everywhere and you're like, damn. Really? This is still going.

[Filippo]

And by the way, how cool. We lost that in 2006 was a final year in the U.S. oh, this

[Doug DeMuro]

was the last generation. That's another, you know, that's another example of a car that died just as the market for cars like it were heating up.

[Filippo]

Yeah, such a cool car.

[Doug DeMuro]

XJ Cruiser, the Xterra. And this all went away and said Ford and, and Ford Raptor and Toyota 4Runner have this. Yep. Jeep Wrangler. It's yours. Now take the wheel. Not that they were selling a lot of these back then anyway. No, no, still it is cool and it has 243ps.

[Kenan]

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[Doug DeMuro]

Total scam.

[Kenan]

Then I switched to Harry' plus and honestly the first shave I was just annoyed I had waited so long. The handle is solid metal.

[Filippo]

Waited.

[Kenan]

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[Doug DeMuro]

The Last Nissan story is that they are coming out with a new juke

[Kenan]

better looking than the last one.

[Filippo]

Look, Duke, I love it.

[Doug DeMuro]

I loved the last one. I love the last one.

[Kenan]

By the way.

[Filippo]

It was not the one that was sold in the US There was a generation between.

[Doug DeMuro]

There was. Yeah, that's true. There.

[Kenan]

There has been a. I'm referring to usdm.

[Doug DeMuro]

We only talk USDM on this pot unless otherwise specified.

[Kenan]

Unless.

[Doug DeMuro]

If we're gonna talk wltp, we'll have that conversation.

[Kenan]

I think this is like this. It's funky.

[Doug DeMuro]

It fits in the mold of the juke.

[Kenan]

Yeah, it does.

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[Doug DeMuro]

I have to say, you know, this is one of my big things that car enthusiasts complained about, the juke. And that's why boring cars, like car enthusiast, like, there are so many boring cars. And Nissan comes out with a juke, which is cool and fun, and they're like, that's ugly. And then, so then they cancel it and come out with more boring cars. That's why we have the kicks now. But I'm driving around and the other day I saw Corolla cross and I'm reminded, boy, that segment is boring. Y. At least this. At least there's some fun.

[Kenan]

I also think now modern cars are so hideous that you could. You can kind of do any shape you want. And I think it works. I think that's like, like if I saw that driving down the road, I think that is cool and interesting and like, I don't want it.

[Doug DeMuro]

Imagine seeing it on 14 inch hubcaps and they're all going to be silver instead of this because they're rental cars.

[Kenan]

But that's exactly right.

[Filippo]

I don't believe it's coming to the US I think it might be Europe only.

[Kenan]

What a lot.

[Filippo]

And also same platform as the Leaf.

[Doug DeMuro]

Oh, it's going to be electric. How much wl2p do you think it'll

[Filippo]

have based on the Leaf? Not a ton. WLTP for those listening, is Europe's like EPA cycle for lusher cars.

[Doug DeMuro]

And it's a lie.

[Filippo]

It's a little inflated.

[Doug DeMuro]

Oh, I'm glad you say that. Okay, next news story is the new Chevy Corvette Grand Sport. This is the biggest. We announced the Grand Sport on this podcast a couple of weeks ago. We announced. I mean, Chevy announced and we talked about it. New Grand Sport's coming back. They finally announced all the details. It's going to have this new 6.7 liter V8 which is called the LS6.

[Filippo]

Every Corvette will, which I did not

[Doug DeMuro]

realize that motor is Also going into the Sting state. Sting, which is the base car. Yeah, it's 535 horsepower. The current Sting Sting is 495.

[Filippo]

By the way, the current Stingray as normal people call it. Are you aware that the current cigarette has a 2.9 seconds 0 to 60 times?

[Kenan]

No.

[Filippo]

And now we're adding 40 more horsepower. How is a regular Corvette that now costs $55,000 used? Yeah, a 2.9 second zero to suit.

[Doug DeMuro]

I'm telling you, mid engine.

[Kenan]

Because Tesla has democratized speed and every manufacturer an actual performance.

[Doug DeMuro]

This to me, this is one of the single greatest comeback stories in the history of the automobile, the C7. And I know you love it and I know we sell them on the site, so I'll be charitable. The C7 is a. Had taken the Corvette ethos and platform and existence to kind of its conclusion. It was great, but like it was still that group of people. The C8 has come and it's the hottest car on the market. You realize the C8 has now been out for six years. Six years. It came out in the spring of 20, right before COVID Six years the C8 has been on sale.

[Kenan]

That's crazy. It's gone by that quickly. Wow. Yeah, it is proliferating.

[Doug DeMuro]

It's still the coolest damn thing in the world. And they're still coming out with new variants that are still tremendously exciting. Like this is a cool car. The other thing with the Grand Sport was that they announced pricing which I don't have in front of me.

[Filippo]

Do you? I do. The Grand Sport will start at 88, 495, 88 after delivery.

[Doug DeMuro]

And there's an all wheel drive version which is an E Ray Grand Sport that's gonna be in the.

[Filippo]

Yep. And then you can also get a track ready package on the Grand Sport. The track performance package which has Grand Sport specific chassis tuning, quad exhaust, carbon ceramic brakes, carbon fiber aero, which is 109.

[Doug DeMuro]

With that fact, the Grand Sport's only 15 more than a base. Effectively the Grand Sport is a wide body with some other like upgrades. Kind of our cool little stripies who bought a C4 Grand Sport is Street Speed 717. Really? He's doing like a nationwide road trip in a C4 Grand Sport.

[Kenan]

So you want to swing by, say hello.

[Doug DeMuro]

He, he said, he said I'm going to bring it by San Diego. You want to review it? And I was like no, I'm going to wait for one to show up on the site probably because I'll buy It. But, But I'm so jealous of him. It's my favorite Corvette. Of all time.

[Kenan]

Of all time.

[Doug DeMuro]

Of all time.

[Kenan]

More than the C2.

[Doug DeMuro]

After the C2, since.

[Kenan]

That's what I thought.

[Doug DeMuro]

New Grand Sport. Filippo, you're a resident Corvette man. You're excited about this or no? Yeah. What do you mean no?

[Filippo]

No, I am legitimately excited about it.

[Doug DeMuro]

To me, this is the Corvette to have Grand Sport. All of it, ZR1 are awesome. But like they're not practically faster than this car. Like on a day to day use the car speed basis, you will never experience the difference. This looks like a Z06. It has the Z06 body. It has the cool stripeys. It's like a limited production cool car. But you're still not in a base Corvette. You're still in like something special. This is the one that end up with an.

[Filippo]

No, I will end up with an X.

[Doug DeMuro]

An X and all wheel drive.

[Filippo]

Well, a hybrid.

[Doug DeMuro]

A hybrid shoots for here.

[Filippo]

No, the hybrid is, that's what I'm shooting for.

[Doug DeMuro]

The hybrid. The, the, the, the story of the C8 that isn't told is that the best C8 that exists is the hybrids. But no one wants any part of them, right?

[Kenan]

No respect.

[Doug DeMuro]

They don't get enough respect. But they are four wheel drive, they launch incredibly fast. An eay is like as fast as a Z06, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So these are cool. I'm pumped. And it's not that expensive. Dude, the C8, absolute killer.

[Filippo]

It is a killer.

[Kenan]

Moving on to something a little bit. This is a completely different end of the automotive spectrum. This is the Rolls Royce Nightingale. Now a couple of weeks ago, this looks cool.

[Doug DeMuro]

Looks cool. Now get one of these. Or is this a one off?

[Kenan]

Well, this. No. They're going to build 100 of these. 30 of them have coming to the United States. The orders have already been fulfilled. So unfortunately you can't have one. But, but this is part of the Rolls Royce coach built collection that we talked about a couple of weeks ago. The first one they're rolling out. So it's, you know, based on the Spectre platform, it's going to have probably at least the same 577 horsepower and stuff like that. But the crazy thing to me is it's 18.9ft long and just like the new 911 GT3S. C seats two people.

[Doug DeMuro]

Oh, it's a two seater.

[Kenan]

Two seater.

[Doug DeMuro]

That's 228 inches long. That's longer than a Suburban.

[Kenan]

Yeah, it is.

[Doug DeMuro]

It's Electric.

[Kenan]

It's also as long as the Phantom. And it is electric.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yes, it's full electric.

[Kenan]

Yep. I mean I also.

[Doug DeMuro]

This is so cool looking.

[Kenan]

It is so cool. I also want to make the point BMW, this is how you integrate a big grill. The grill is three feet wide.

[Doug DeMuro]

Is it really?

[Kenan]

But it works perfectly.

[Doug DeMuro]

You know, Rolls Royce is benefiting greatly from electrification because they're able to make these different bodies of cars. They don't have to. They don't have to worry about, oh, this is a completely new model, new powertrain we got to go through. They do seem like they're just sort of iterating with from a design and style persp perspective off an existing chassis. That's going to go great for them. Because this is based on the Spectre, I assume, correct?

[Kenan]

Yes. And you hit the nail exactly on the head. And I would not be surprised if other luxury manufacturers, Bentley in particular, copies this idea because it makes a lot of sense. If you just have a skateboard, put whatever body you want on it.

[Filippo]

Right. They're actually seizing on the opportunity that EVs give because you don't need to place an engine, you don't need to route anything. You just have a battery with the motors and the wheels and you're done.

[Kenan]

Well, let's be honest, the luxury car experience is not really dependent on like this. True luxury car experience is not dependent on the engine. You want smoothness, quiet and power. But actually the less vibration makes it in the cabin, the better.

[Doug DeMuro]

I'm reading here that nightingale, the name of the vehicle is named for Le Rossignol, which means the Nightingale in French, and was a house on Henry Royce's winter property on the French Riviera. Are you aware of that? In addition, and this is my favorite thing, this is from the press release. There is a lighting treatment inside the car with 10,000 illuminated stars. And the dazzling of the lighting, like the, the rhythm of the lighting is inspired by the rhythm of a nightingale's song.

[Filippo]

They can't have the star liner cuz

[Kenan]

there's no fixed roof because the stars from God.

[Doug DeMuro]

Does this car not have any roof at all? There's no, there's no roof that rolls up. I haven't seen a picture with a roof with the roof on it. It's a Baretta.

[Kenan]

Can you imagine a Rolls Royce customer?

[Doug DeMuro]

This is cool though. This is damn cool.

[Kenan]

I like I said, I really hope that more luxury manufacturers do this. And I'm curious what the other cars that will end up in this Coachbilt collection end up looking like, you know, this is.

[Doug DeMuro]

I was ready to write rolls off about seven years ago, maybe nine. And they keep coming out with products that just are appealing. The Phantom 8 was cool. The Cullinan made it, continued the situation. He doesn't think there should be a lesser Cullinan. It's insane. But then they came out with Spectre, which is great. And now they've got these one offs that they come up with every so often that all seem to look pretty cool. And there was the boat tail which

[Kenan]

I'm obsessed with boat tails.

[Doug DeMuro]

But this is sort of.

[Kenan]

It is very.

[Doug DeMuro]

That.

[Kenan]

This is very Villa d'.

[Doug DeMuro]

Este.

[Kenan]

You can see it cruising around there. Yeah, but I think there are a

[Doug DeMuro]

lot of random rainstorms there. Yeah, it would be hard. It'd be hard.

[Kenan]

But I can see people wanting.

[Doug DeMuro]

They do have a parking garage at Vilades so you can park this.

[Kenan]

I parked in the park. One of the parking. Three parking garages.

[Filippo]

Can I ask a question? So obviously there's. There's a very long vehicle with nothing with the seats. Do you think there's a huge trunk? Like do you think that they made the trunk go all the way through to the rear of the. The front?

[Kenan]

I bet not.

[Filippo]

That'd be large. That'd be a lot of golf clubs out of body.

[Kenan]

Yeah. For just two people.

[Doug DeMuro]

Probably no trunk at all. Right.

[Filippo]

It is hand actually.

[Kenan]

I wonder like what's up front does that. I mean if it's electric, maybe it is like a. Like a boxer. There are two trunks.

[Doug DeMuro]

Probably not though.

[Kenan]

Probably not.

[Doug DeMuro]

That thing is cool. 100 units. Do we have any cost?

[Kenan]

No, they haven't really. They've been cagey about it. But everybody's assuming over a million, which

[Doug DeMuro]

would make over a million.

[Kenan]

They're only building 130 of them are coming.

[Doug DeMuro]

I just put it into AI and they're saying 6 million, which seems alike. A lot. Yeah.

[Kenan]

Well, hey, I'm never wrong.

[Doug DeMuro]

I'm ready to do. I'm ready to drop 250 on this card today.

[Kenan]

That's great.

[Doug DeMuro]

That's what he's going to appreciate to in 10 years. You think?

[Kenan]

I don't know. I don't know.

[Filippo]

These cards don't appreciate.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah. What about. Have you ever seen a Rolls Royce camarg? Pull that up.

[Kenan]

You're gonna need to spell that one for me there, buddy. Rolls Royce.

[Doug DeMuro]

A M A R G U E. This was the. The project Nightingale of its era. Yeah, that's it. You ever see one of these pull up images?

[Filippo]

But I also haven't seen him. Appreciate it.

[Doug DeMuro]

Tap on that. Ready over there. That one? Yeah, yeah, that one. This car, I'm not joking. This was like a half million $600,000 car in its era. And now, I mean if you can find someone to buy yours, you're lucky at like a $9200 used car value.

[Kenan]

You got a point. How many of these do they build?

[Doug DeMuro]

Camarg was built for 11 years and they only made 531.

[Filippo]

Demand limit massive.

[Doug DeMuro]

Not only was it hand built, it was built slowly. Now this car was. Was designed by an Italian and it sort of goes against my theory that Italians design be all beautiful cars.

[Kenan]

You know what, but they designed so many. We can give them the Karg. Yeah, horrible name too. My lord.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah, no, it was not a good situation.

[Kenan]

But this is cool. And maybe it becomes like. But for now I think that it is, I think it is just so cool. Wheel treatment. Long live Rolls Royce.

[Doug DeMuro]

Please. Oh, okay. I want to talk about this. This is a very important news story. Sean's all upset about it. The Chrysler Pacifica off road version, apparently they debuted at SEMA a few months ago, but they just showed it again at the New York Auto show. And I've always said that I want. What I want is an off roader, but that's also can carry a lot of people. And here this is. And I was thinking if they made this, this, this is exactly what I'm looking for. Except that it's a Stellantis product. So what I'm hoping is, this is what I'm hoping, that they take all of the stuff and give it to Toyota.

[Filippo]

But then it would, would it be reliable then?

[Doug DeMuro]

No, they don't want them to take the Pacifica, take all the off road equipment and everything and bring it over to Toyota. That's my thought of the day on this.

[Filippo]

Maybe the facelifted Pacifica, which is only facelifted in certain trims, will be more reliable.

[Doug DeMuro]

Do you think it's interesting that these automakers are teasing high performance minivans and teasing off road minivans, but no one's. Or teasing luxury minivans, but no one is really willing to step up to the plate on these things. They're like going a little down that road, the Sienna Woodland, but no one's really willing to give us the Hellcat van we want. You know what I'm saying?

[Filippo]

Because there's no. I'm not surprised. What's the question?

[Kenan]

I'm not sure.

[Filippo]

I'm not surprised.

[Doug DeMuro]

You don't think people would buy it.

[Filippo]

I don't. I think they would have to do a fair amount of engineering to fit a V8 period into a Pacifica. No other manufacturer that sells any of these has a V8.

[Kenan]

Well, you know, first of all, he just.

[Filippo]

It's worth noting all your. Honda doesn't have a V8, Toyota doesn't have a V8.

[Doug DeMuro]

They all tease it. They're teasing.

[Filippo]

Nobody's teasing it but Chrysler.

[Kenan]

But do you think.

[Doug DeMuro]

No, no. Toyota teased at off road Sienna at SEMA a couple years ago like a true build. And several of the brands have teased like performance minivans.

[Filippo]

Those exactly exists.

[Kenan]

Do you think they looked at the 63 reals and went, wow, that was a failure because they only built 300 of them or whatever. And like, okay, we're not going to do that.

[Doug DeMuro]

But the R63, I want to get a Hellcat Pacifica that is also an off roader.

[Filippo]

I mean that just sounds. That'd be cool.

[Kenan]

It sounds like you just go and give me. I want it all. I want it now.

[Doug DeMuro]

It's like a dream, honestly. I'll be done with news, hopefully. No, get out of here.

[Filippo]

We're not doing this. Can we talk about this? This though? All right. Lucid has a new CEO.

[Doug DeMuro]

Lucid has a new CEO, which has got to be their third CEO in 18 months.

[Filippo]

The last one was an interim. We're good. His name is Sylv. Excuse me. Silvio Napoli. He is currently. He is most recently in charge of the Schindler Group, which makes elevators.

[Kenan]

Oh, yes. Not lists.

[Filippo]

No, no. Elevators. Different porn.

[Doug DeMuro]

They got this.

[Filippo]

Yeah, but he's well known in the industry, in the elevator industry for really growing and modernizing that brand and making quite.

[Kenan]

How exciting.

[Filippo]

One of the top elevator.

[Doug DeMuro]

I don't want to. I don't want to. I looked into this story a little before. I don't want to toot the mantor too much. But he debuted while working for the Schindler elevator Group. The elevator that opens in the front and the back previous to this Van Paoli or whatever, all the elevators open front. And sometimes these buildings would be like. You know what would be nice if it could open the freight side could open to the back. And all the other elevator companies. It's like the minivans before the 96 Chrysler. They Mel said it's not possible.

[Kenan]

Paoli or whatever his name is, he

[Doug DeMuro]

came in and he said, we can do it.

[Kenan]

He said, you know what? Give them doors.

[Doug DeMuro]

Give them doors. And you know what else he did the glass elevator before him from Willy Wonka's were enclosed.

[Filippo]

Did you do the one from Willy Wonka that flies out?

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah.

[Kenan]

Well, the safety thing is a little

[Doug DeMuro]

too fun for the can.

[Kenan]

I'm glad he's going to bring.

[Doug DeMuro]

You're saying that they hired this guy because he has a reputation for. Right. Sizing. Well, can I tell you the actual reason they hired this guy? Because no one in the automotive industry wants this job. And they figured, hey, elevators have wheels and pulleys and belts. It's close enough.

[Filippo]

No, I mean, they've been pretty upfront that he doesn't have any auto industry experience directly.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah, but I'm sure they've been upfront.

[Filippo]

But. But he has a strong track record in manufacturing operational discipline and capital allocation. So.

[Doug DeMuro]

What a ridiculous. We are going to allocate half our money to the double doored elevator. No, the.

[Filippo]

The. Basically they needed somebody that they think can maybe bring some growth, but also drive profitability in a way that they are so unprecedented.

[Doug DeMuro]

Is this person going to live in California or is he going to live in Zurich?

[Filippo]

They live in Zurich for some amount of time until they have a visa that allows them to move to the US Unlike your bit here, none of that is made up. That is all factually accurate. He also gets two companies company cars and a million dollars in relocation expenses.

[Doug DeMuro]

A million in relocation low. And he's going to drive around in

[Kenan]

this minivan and with the license plate. Elevator.

[Doug DeMuro]

Elevator.

[Filippo]

No, I mean, I'm excited for Lucid in that they actually need somebody to drive the company in a way that is in any way sustainable. Part of this is an additional infusion of capital from the Saudis, but they got to at some point make money.

[Doug DeMuro]

Wasn't it Lucid who we were making fun of for releasing those car? Like teasing those new models and saying, this is for like the. The. The female.

[Filippo]

That is him.

[Doug DeMuro]

Okay.

[Filippo]

That is them.

[Doug DeMuro]

Well, this is going to go great. All right, I want to move on to the talk cars segment. The talk cars segment today is sponsored by Filippo's 997 Targa.

[Filippo]

Oh, thank you.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah. Filippo's 997Targa. It talks cars.

[Filippo]

Yeah, all day. I sat in four hours of traffic yesterday afternoon and it did great.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah, that's lots of cars. Is that part of your top cars?

[Filippo]

No, I don't want to relive it bad enough. At one point it was on through Kim Pendleton. Where you can. I can't there. There's no exit. But I did have. I was in traffic for so long. I stopped at the rest area. Yeah, Leaving the rest area took an additional 30 minutes.

[Doug DeMuro]

Well, why did you stop?

[Kenan]

Why you stop?

[Doug DeMuro]

It's insane.

[Filippo]

Sometimes you need to use a.

[Kenan]

You what? Sitting there, not doing something. You needed a break from that, so you pulled into the rest.

[Filippo]

You're in traffic for a long time. Use the restroom at some point. Also, I don't think it was slower than the other traffic, but it was.

[Kenan]

Felipe, let me tell you, we don't stop.

[Doug DeMuro]

We don't stop. If you're going somewhere, you go somewhere.

[Kenan]

I agree with this wholeheartedly, especially coming back from Los Angeles.

[Doug DeMuro]

You're lucky you got to fill Chung last night.

[Filippo]

I did.

[Doug DeMuro]

You almost missed Shout Out Phil Chung. I want to tell a little story here. All right. You ready? Story, yeah. Do you know what the story is? No, but you see it in the thing and you're curious.

[Filippo]

Doesn't give me any information, I'll tell you that.

[Doug DeMuro]

All right, I got a story.

[Kenan]

Buckle up.

[Doug DeMuro]

I was last week, I was in Washington, D.C. the nation's capital.

[Filippo]

Indeed.

[Doug DeMuro]

All right. All the buildings are there. They have the Lincoln Memorial, and they have all that other stuff.

[Filippo]

You see the ballroom?

[Doug DeMuro]

No. It's being erected, but I've been by where the previous part was destroyed, and now they've got a new big thing coming.

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[Doug DeMuro]

Anyway, I was in Washington, D.C. and my best friend lives there. My best friend, Melissa. Shout out.

[Filippo]

Melissa.

[Doug DeMuro]

Shout out. And in Washington, there, she drives a 2013 Kia Sportage. And because it's a Kia, it has been attempted to be stolen several times. And so it no longer has a driver side door handle, which was ripped off by an attempted thief. The keys all had to be rekeyed then. And there's one key for the door and one key for the ignition. Like a GM car from the 80s.

[Filippo]

It was true. My Kia Spectra, too.

[Doug DeMuro]

So. And this thing. I mean, this thing is rough. Like, it is the roughest. Like, it hasn't been washed in years. One time, a construction fence fell on it and then scraped down the side. So it looks like one of the X Men Wolverine, like, grabbed down the side of it. I mean, this is the roughest thing you're going to get. Okay. Plastic steering wheel, backup camera, because it's required by law. I mean, we're on that level. Right. This is like the most basic rough car.

[Filippo]

I am also friends with Melissa. Last time I was there, I replaced her tail light bulbs.

[Doug DeMuro]

I get in the car and it's. There's a Meineke oil change, and it says, get your next oil change in. In September of 25 at 104,000. And I look and it's March 26th and it's 108,000. And I'm like, oh, God, it's like 49 bucks to change oil on this piece of crap. Anyway, so I'm driving along, along and in their DC there, and I'm at a stoplight and a guy looks over in one of your station wagons and he's like. And I was thinking, Melissa and I had often joked about, you know, because I get recognized everywhere all the time, and especially at car. Like, with context clues, it's very easy to recognize. If I have a car meet, it's Doug. If I'm. If I'm walking around, you know, a neighborhood, maybe. Maybe that's Doug. If I'm driving a 2013 Kia Sporta in Washington, D.C. you're probably thinking, what? Wait a minute? And the guy actually recognized me. And he was like, I bought my station wagon because of you.

[Filippo]

Wow.

[Doug DeMuro]

He said, it's great. And I said, I really should be driving one of those right now. And then he drove off. And I thought to myself, this is what a great experience for this guy. He's going to wonder for the rest of his life why Doug Demuro was driving Kia sported with no door handle around D.C. yeah, like a really bad example of one.

[Kenan]

You'd always. Yeah, you'd always joked about, like, driving a normal. Like, not being recognized, something that you blend in. There's no car you can blend into. So I just looked over to you.

[Doug DeMuro]

I drive that Kia sportage in Washington, D.C. when I go to visit her twice, two, three times a year. I go to visit her for six years and no one has ever recognized me in the car. And I've always joked with her about, like, what if someone saw me get out of this thing? It'd be so embarrassing. And then this guy is there. Anyway, the sad part of the story. There's a sad ending. He found me on Instagram and sent me a dm. And then I sent him a DM and explained. And so now he won't go through the rest of life wondering. He actually has the explanation with his dm.

[Filippo]

Why were you driving us?

[Doug DeMuro]

He literally was like, someday I'd love to learn why. I'm glad you responded and didn't torture

[Kenan]

him because you could have just let him.

[Doug DeMuro]

Right? I could have just been like, I don't know what you're talking about. I don't want to talk about it.

[Filippo]

Testament to that Kia Sportage's reliability, because that car has been through something.

[Doug DeMuro]

Every time I go there, I'm like, I want to buy you a new car. I want to do that to you. Like, you deserve it. I'm, like, ready to it. Do do it, and. But every time I'm in it, I'm like, it's not quite bad enough.

[Filippo]

It's not.

[Doug DeMuro]

Even though you put club on the steering wheel, you know,

[Filippo]

well, you don't

[Doug DeMuro]

want that stolen from that. If you have a Kia Hyundai from that era, you have to use that

[Filippo]

for the base one that doesn't have the. It was never actually stolen, though, right?

[Doug DeMuro]

It was never stolen. So she.

[Filippo]

The club.

[Doug DeMuro]

Several groups attempted. The car was in Chicago before that, and there was a theft attempted there, I think.

[Kenan]

And now it looks so bad, no one goes anywhere near it.

[Doug DeMuro]

Well, you know, the thing that I'd like her to do and then I've tried to push her to do is. Is cover up the badges. Because, like, a soul, you know, is a Kia.

[Filippo]

But those little crossovers, the Korean market.

[Doug DeMuro]

No, she shouldn't do that. Like one of the tutor kids in a Genesis coupe. But, like, literally, a piece of black electrical tape over to badges, I think would stop any theft attempts. Because how do you know? You don't know. You know, you're driving around looking for a badge.

[Filippo]

Don't you want it to get stolen?

[Doug DeMuro]

I would.

[Filippo]

At some point, it transitions to, I actively want this car to be stolen.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah. We would park it, and she'd be like, let's put club on. And I'd be like, well, not. What if we didn't this time?

[Filippo]

It's okay. It's like when I used to park my Ford Focus at the edge of blocks in Baltimore, where there were frequently accidents and just hoping that somebody would hit it.

[Kenan]

And did it ever get hit?

[Filippo]

Sadly, no.

[Doug DeMuro]

No. We sold that Ford Focus on Craigslist.

[Filippo]

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[Doug DeMuro]

Okay, I want to move on to Kenan's. Talking about the 986, please.

[Kenan]

Yes. So I have some big news. So recently I sold my SL65 on the site. Did quite well. And since then I've had a bunch of my friends reach out and say, you know, congratulations, everybody's been very nice, including you guys, but I had a

[Doug DeMuro]

couple friends reach out and say, can

[Kenan]

you help me sell my car? So I've decided to help my friend Brian sell his. It's sitting behind Doug. He has a 986 Boxster S03 Boxster S6 speed manual.

[Doug DeMuro]

It's live right now.

[Kenan]

It's not live right now. But it will be very short. Sorry. When this podcast is out, it will be live. We're recording this the day before it goes live.

[Doug DeMuro]

Look at these pictures.

[Kenan]

But, yeah, so our resident photographer, Nick Stafford, took these photos, and my God, are they spectacular. But the car is wonderful too. Comes with an unbelievable amount of service documentation. Brian is so particular that his spreadsheet and documentation made me feel embarrassed. I actually went back to my M5 and revised with how I do things to make it a little bit tighter.

[Filippo]

Okay.

[Doug DeMuro]

So in other words, if you're getting a 986, this is the one.

[Kenan]

This is kind of the one. Yeah. It's lovely. And you should go check it out on the cars and the bids there.

[Doug DeMuro]

Canon is presenting a vehicle.

[Kenan]

Yes, I am doing all the presentation on. It's going through my account.

[Doug DeMuro]

Great. At presenting a vehicle. His sl, he did an amazing job. His Ferrari did an amazing job. Kenan knows how to present a car for sale on cars. Are you selling it under your username?

[Kenan]

Yes, it's going under my username. So I'm handling the whole thing. So if you ask questions, I'm the one who's handling all of that.

[Doug DeMuro]

Pull up that sl.

[Kenan]

Yeah.

[Doug DeMuro]

Oh, the SL again, how you present a vehicle.

[Filippo]

Yeah, you have to clean the license plate.

[Doug DeMuro]

Pull up Filippo's Fiat 500.

[Filippo]

Hey, Kenan, you want to help me sell it?

[Doug DeMuro]

Click on that and then pop down to the known flaws. Oh, boy. The curb rash is just.

[Kenan]

Well, you know, you always pick the side that has the most curb rash as the elite image there, Filippo.

[Doug DeMuro]

But yeah, he did pick the side that has the least curb rash.

[Filippo]

You don't know if it was worse than that.

[Kenan]

You know, this list feels like a little short.

[Filippo]

No, no, it's just very general.

[Doug DeMuro]

Very general.

[Kenan]

Yeah.

[Doug DeMuro]

The car is bad. You know what?

[Kenan]

We have a special caveat for really bad cars. That really underscores. People need to do their due diligence.

[Filippo]

Adding that myself because the red didn't.

[Doug DeMuro]

I thought about it, so. But Canon is. Canon is Boxster S. Canon represents cars. Well, I'm excited to see how that goes. Canon and excited to see what the Canon touch does.

[Kenan]

Me too. And it's a lovely car. I have a film out about it now. They did with our friend Sam. We compared it to the 981 Boxer Spider. I've got one more coming out where I talk about how much it costs to go through this because it has all doc to own. That'd be interesting because it has documentation back to the very first owner.

[Doug DeMuro]

It's got all we all agree that that 96 box dress is a pretty good bargain in today's world if you consider it as just a fun toss it around kind of.

[Kenan]

They are so much fun if you have no ego. Like I think that car, like if you're looking to spend that kind of like, you know, 20, 30 grand for like a really, really perfect one, it delivers the driving experience so, so well. It's just so balanced and fun.

[Doug DeMuro]

I love the trans, I love the shifter, I love the weight balance. It's so good.

[Kenan]

So good.

[Doug DeMuro]

Something for you to think about.

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[Doug DeMuro]

Okay. We you want to talk about? I what do you got?

[Filippo]

So it should be live right now as you guys are listening but we have a behind the scenes VIP experience experience alongside the American Brain Tumor association and One Lap of America. Brock Yates Tyrak One Lap of America. I will be. It's not, it's not an event yet. There's a charity auction with proceeds going to the ABTA where I will be at one of the final events of One lap of America.

[Doug DeMuro]

Filippo.

[Filippo]

And we'll get to do some parade laps and we'll get to do dinner. So check it out.

[Kenan]

Oh, yes, yes, yes. You're doing you because then last year we helped someone from Kobe sell their car, right?

[Filippo]

Correct. So last year I went on track in a Mini Cooper, had a little spin, little spin.

[Kenan]

We all recall the spin.

[Filippo]

And then he sold it on the other site. He this year is doing one lap of America again in a V70R spaceball.

[Doug DeMuro]

Oh, wow.

[Kenan]

Wow.

[Doug DeMuro]

That's more you car than ambitious.

[Filippo]

And I'm joining for one of the final stages and then we will actually. So please check out the charity auction and consider bidding and then we will actually also have a cars and coffee alongside tire action after the end of One lap of America. More to come on that.

[Doug DeMuro]

Do we know which one you're going to be at?

[Filippo]

I will be at Blackhawk Farms for that race.

[Doug DeMuro]

Which race is it? Where is that?

[Filippo]

It's in Illinois.

[Doug DeMuro]

Illinois.

[Filippo]

Right outside Chicago.

[Doug DeMuro]

Wow, look at you. You going Ryan Lopez.

[Filippo]

I haven't decided who I'm inviting but

[Doug DeMuro]

you agree Ryan Lopez's ancestral home.

[Filippo]

Should we, should we go to Chicago? Yeah, let's go. Let's go.

[Doug DeMuro]

Ryan Lopez is going with Felipe putting this up.

[Filippo]

Please do check out the charity auction obviously for a great cause and if you are in the the South Bend area, come to our cars and coffee

[Doug DeMuro]

or in, in the Midwest in general

[Filippo]

South Bend areas, anywhere.

[Doug DeMuro]

I'm sure as this gets closer we will Hype it up even more. We're going to hype this up like crazy. If you're in the Midwest, don't add it to your calendars yet. We will tell you.

[Filippo]

We will tell you when.

[Doug DeMuro]

And again and again. Okay, next up, we got to move on to the market report. The market report is sponsored to you by cars and bids. Cars and bids. It makes you remember why Facebook Marketplace is terrible.

[Kenan]

You know, there is something to that.

[Doug DeMuro]

I got a Facebook Marketplace story for next week.

[Filippo]

Yeah, Saving it. Smart. Let it fester a little bit.

[Doug DeMuro]

Okay.

[Filippo]

Can I mention two events before we dive into actual.

[Doug DeMuro]

Okay, fine.

[Filippo]

All right. Event number one. This very Saturday, tomorrow, when you're listening to this, we will be alongside Avant at the Avant pit stop at the Long Beach Grand Prix. If you are signing up, make sure to use code cars and bids underscore VS VIP so that they know that we sent you. I will be there personally.

[Doug DeMuro]

You're going to be in Long Beach?

[Filippo]

I will be in Long beach for this event.

[Doug DeMuro]

Are you bringing the pizza?

[Filippo]

Sean and Ryan? I have tasked with bringing the pizza.

[Doug DeMuro]

Producer Sean and Ryan Lopez will be there. Air conditioning.

[Kenan]

Ryan Lopez. They very pontiously say, you're. You're welcome.

[Doug DeMuro]

And it's not inside the race. So you can attend this without actually going to the race. Is that the deal?

[Filippo]

Yep. So check it out. Car events, you can learn more and make sure you use our.

[Doug DeMuro]

You get to meet Ryan Lopez and Sean and Producer. Sean and Producer. Sean.

[Kenan]

His first name is actually Producer.

[Filippo]

It's really weird. What's our other last name? The other thing?

[Doug DeMuro]

Tomorrow, people in Long beach, if you're in la, you do not have anything better to do, then go meet Filippo, Sean and Ryan at this avance Pit stop. Cars and bidsvip. You're going to get pizza. Ryan Lopez is going to bring you pizza. He looks so enthused.

[Filippo]

He will personally feed you a slice.

[Kenan]

He looks pretty ill. You, you're right there.

[Doug DeMuro]

Okay, what's our other event?

[Filippo]

The other event is at the end of May, we are partnering with Velocity Invitational, which is a huge car event at Sonoma Raceway. We're going to have our first ever live auction. So we're going to be bringing a bunch of cars to Velocity. We'll have cars there. I will be there, as will a bunch of other people from our team. And you can bid online, you can be there in person, check out the car and we'll help you bid there.

[Kenan]

So to be clear, it's not. You're not going to have a British auctioneer do it in person.

[Doug DeMuro]

No, instead, the cars are going to be live right there and is going to get up and go.

[Filippo]

The cars will speak for them themselves. It includes an Alfa Romeo tv.

[Doug DeMuro]

That car will speak for themselves.

[Filippo]

You like that?

[Doug DeMuro]

Filippo is so what is that Alfa Romeo actually called?

[Filippo]

Yeah, we'll have an Alfa Romeo TZ that Doug reviewed that will also be there. And we'll have a bunch of other really cool cars.

[Doug DeMuro]

This was the coolest thing I've ever driven in my entire life. What we should be auctioning is rides in the TZ1. It would change people's lives. People go in thinking, oh, I need to get a new car for my wife. And crossover Rav4. They'll come out thinking, I need to sell my house for a TZ1.

[Filippo]

That's what it's worth.

[Doug DeMuro]

Okay, so you can also get your own car.

[Filippo]

Yeah. So we do still have a couple of spots left for cars to be there in person. So there'll be a link in the description below. If you want to learn more, submit your car for that event. Reach out there.

[Doug DeMuro]

This is Sonoma.

[Filippo]

Also, come hang out. If you use code, our code, code this. When you check out for a ticket, you can also get 10% off. So I'm excited to see you there for our first ever large event that includes an auction. It's exciting.

[Doug DeMuro]

Have you ever been to Sonoma?

[Filippo]

No.

[Doug DeMuro]

This is a great experience. You're going to do some wine tasting. That's what I should.

[Kenan]

You should absolutely tack some time on

[Filippo]

and do that the week after this event. Like, I will come back from this event on, like, Monday and on Tuesday, I go to Italy for two weeks. So have you saved my wine?

[Doug DeMuro]

Well, you know what, can I make a suggestion? Go to Healdsburg. You don't need to go to Italy. Am I right? Healdsburg Shout out. Sean is like, yeah, I love Healdsburg. Spent a week there one night.

[Filippo]

All right.

[Doug DeMuro]

It's just Sean's. He keeps interjecting, you know, I know

[Kenan]

you wish you all could see us. He just keeps popping up from behind his computer screen. It is like a. It's like a groundhog on the prairie.

[Filippo]

So regard. All that said, I am incredibly excited about our event there. If you have a really cool, special car that you want to present alongside the Alpha Romeo TZ and a bunch of other really cool cars that we have lined up, let us know and just. We'll hopefully see you there. If you're in the Bay area or if to you want to travel.

[Doug DeMuro]

Okay. We got to move on now to the market report. The market report is brought to you by Kenan's wastefulness. Kenan uses plastic cup. I know. Do you believe glass? Do you believe this?

[Filippo]

They're left over from the vat.

[Doug DeMuro]

Filippo uses this glass cup from a. From a company that sponsored us many years ago.

[Filippo]

Yeah, I reuse, reduce, recycle.

[Doug DeMuro]

No, the market report.

[Kenan]

I lost my water bottle tonight.

[Filippo]

We have glass cups?

[Doug DeMuro]

Yes. The silver one.

[Kenan]

Yes.

[Doug DeMuro]

It's an icon of the pod. Where'd it go?

[Kenan]

I know. I'll have to get another one.

[Doug DeMuro]

The market report is actually sponsored, by the way, by Cars and Bids, which is this great website. What else do I say? Carsandbids.com Carsandbins.com there's an app. There's an app.

[Kenan]

It's a really good app for iPhone

[Filippo]

only, but Android's coming real soon.

[Doug DeMuro]

I want to talk about Mercedes Benz coupes, which are causing me some stress. Which one specifically, in my history of life, what happens after a Mercedes Benz coupe is sold new? Tell me.

[Filippo]

Depreciates by about 80.

[Doug DeMuro]

It depreciates to zero. Okay. What does a C140 cost? Nothing. Right? Well, that seems to not be the case anymore. Can you pull up the S65?

[Filippo]

Are they retaining value?

[Doug DeMuro]

Filippo, this.

[Filippo]

Wow.

[Doug DeMuro]

This is a 12 year old S65.

[Filippo]

Wow.

[Doug DeMuro]

Sold for $76,000.

[Filippo]

Wow.

[Doug DeMuro]

It's a low mileage car. It's nice, et cetera. I'm astonished at this number. Astonished. In addition, we just sold at AMG gt. Now this is the thing that's really upsetting to me. AMG GTs. We have talked a lot on this pod. They're getting cheaper. They're going to get cheap someday. There'll be bargains in the first 40s. They're not. They're just not. This is a pretty standard early AMGT. It's an S. I think all the 16s were S's. It's a low mile car, but otherwise it's a pretty standard early car. First model year, still selling for 70. We all hoped, we watched them go like this and we all hoped that someday these would be 36. And it's just not happening all that quickly.

[Filippo]

I kind of get it. The AG gt. I was up next to one on the highway other day. It looks so special and exotic in a way that for 50 grand is kind of a deal.

[Doug DeMuro]

Even this one at 51, how many miles were on this car?

[Kenan]

This car had 76.

[Doug DeMuro]

This car was a 76,000 mile Montana title car and it still pulls over 50.

[Filippo]

To be fair, that's 30 grand less than a similar 991 coupe. Yeah, that's a bargain for V8.

[Doug DeMuro]

It's relatively a bargain. It's relatively a bargain.

[Filippo]

But I agree, it's not a. I

[Doug DeMuro]

figured they would be 26 when in opinion. My, my. When I was a child growing up, a Mercedes Benz coupe of any variety. EME convertibles too. Honestly, SLs were cars that you knew in 6 years would be free to purchase. And the world is changing. The ground is shifting beneath our feet.

[Filippo]

We sold an SL65 for $60,000.

[Doug DeMuro]

You know, what's that? Honestly, we said the market.

[Kenan]

Yeah, we did.

[Doug DeMuro]

There is interest in these cars in a way that I feel like Mercedes Benz coupes haven't had interest in since the low grill cars of Ralph Lauren era. I'm serious. I really, really, truly think that. So it's like the opera windows and the pagodas, such a great example. This era is like there's some interest in the big body S65s, the coupes, the V12s and even the AMG GTs.

[Kenan]

It's so interesting because like with my car, when I sold it, people were. The thing that people kept mentioning me is like, I totally forgot about the SL65. And I think there is more of a. There's more interest in that era of cars. And it's like kind of, I think pushing those values up a little bit.

[Doug DeMuro]

There is.

[Kenan]

But ultimately like with the S65, it's like that's the same engine but modern interior.

[Doug DeMuro]

Modern.

[Kenan]

I mean it's just this car should

[Doug DeMuro]

have depreciated more than this. I'm shocked that it's still pulling this kind of money. There is real interest in these cars and I think people are seeing what's happening to the 0506 CL65s and they're thinking these cars deserve to stay relatively high. But how interesting is that the W220 or whatever the scoop version was the C220 or C221 or whatever it was. Those cars are really, really cheap. Really cheap in general, aside from the CL65, but.

[Filippo]

And even those aren't pricey.

[Doug DeMuro]

They're not crazy. But here we are in this world where Mercedes Benz coupes are suddenly expensive. How did this happen, Kenan?

[Kenan]

Because they're great cars. It's like, I think there's a lot of fear around the maintenance with these cars, which is not unjustified. But I think that they also offer something that's really neat. I mean the 65s in particular, they

[Doug DeMuro]

do Godly Power S63. Three of this exact car is a

[Kenan]

cheap car which is amaz, which that is. I just think the V. I mean the V12s are special. Like enthusiasts definitely seek those out. And as for the AMG gt, it's like that car still looks like a very expensive.

[Doug DeMuro]

What is this?

[Filippo]

It was a 200. I just looked $240,000 sticker.

[Doug DeMuro]

This is a 120. This sold for 124 months half off.

[Filippo]

To be fair, it took 8 years, 9 years to get to half off.

[Doug DeMuro]

That's 10 year old. What's a 10 year old 7 series like a 19 car. Because even a 10 year old base S class we're looking at S classes the other day on this pod were like 20 something.

[Filippo]

I know because they look good and they are special. The AMG GT I think deserves the kind of price stability.

[Doug DeMuro]

I agree it it it. The thing about the AMG GT was even as we were talking about oh, one day it'll be cheap, one day it'll be cheap. I'm thinking in my mind like 911's floor. This has to floor at some point.

[Filippo]

I think it's truly a very pretty car.

[Doug DeMuro]

It's a big V8. You know what's the only deal? SLS Roadsters are still 100. You can SLS Roadster for 100. Coaches are 240.

[Filippo]

Unfortunately, the Roadster doesn't look nearly as. No, it doesn't.

[Kenan]

But I'll tell you what, it, it drives.

[Filippo]

It drives great.

[Kenan]

It drives. So.

[Doug DeMuro]

Although honestly, from a pure driving perspective, I kind of maybe prefer the AMG GT.

[Filippo]

We sold the road for 83.

[Doug DeMuro]

They're cheap, I'm telling you.

[Filippo]

Dude.

[Doug DeMuro]

What? Where were you?

[Filippo]

Where was I?

[Doug DeMuro]

Where were you?

[Filippo]

I don't want one. But where was I?

[Kenan]

He was asleep at the wheel.

[Doug DeMuro]

Now another car that is doing well, something else I want to talk about. Market report.

[Filippo]

That's a special car for under $100,000.

[Doug DeMuro]

Lotus Emira. Yes, it is. And they are 100 all day long every SLS roadster. Nice ones, low ones.

[Filippo]

Why don't we talk about this? Why doesn't this come up? Lotus, you could buy a991 convertible or an SLS roadster.

[Kenan]

Yeah, you could.

[Doug DeMuro]

You could have the SLS roadster.

[Filippo]

I just don't want that.

[Doug DeMuro]

The problem with the SLS roadster is it just doesn't have the special feel. The SLR was this bespoke McLaren built really special thing. The SLS roadster, the coupe is cool but the roadster like what does it have? It's got the 6.2 that other AMGs have. It's a road like that's I think how the market views it. I'm not saying that's how I view it but that's how the market views it. Do you agree?

[Kenan]

Yes, I view them. It's wrong. It's. It's not quite the same engine and it also has the dual clutch which I.

[Doug DeMuro]

Which is a big jump it absolutely.

[Kenan]

But I agree like the doors don't do this.

[Doug DeMuro]

The doors don't do this. And also the when what's left after the you remove the doors isn't special enough for the market to value it at the level level. The coupes are 200 plus.

[Kenan]

You know same thing with the 300 SL there a great tradition.

[Doug DeMuro]

Although 300 SL roadsters the difference there is also 100 grand but. But it's 2 million.

[Kenan]

I think there's more of a gap than that. But yeah.

[Doug DeMuro]

Shocked by Amuras. But yeah, I wanted to bring this up too.

[Filippo]

Yes. They're just not coming down.

[Doug DeMuro]

Not coming down. This is another car. I thought by now we would start seeing depreciating. We're seeing first editions. That's now a two and a half year old car. First editions came out in 20. They were 24 models. They were selling when they first started showing up on our site they were selling for 95, 105 like in the that range. The most recent sales of these two that were 69294 Evoras have done this too. They've generally held value better than they should for a company that is perpetually out of running into bankruptcy. Perpetually can't make vehicles. You know, I don't understand why the Amira is. Is holding so well considering those variables for Fisker have made those cars worth $6,100. But yeah, it's good. That's a big part.

[Kenan]

That's really good. I think that's the.

[Filippo]

I've never. I really want to drive one. I haven't driven one.

[Doug DeMuro]

I'm going to get a press car coming. They have like some update and there's a four cylinder. I they're.

[Filippo]

I hope you don't have the four cylinder.

[Doug DeMuro]

Well I do. Did the V6 already so I'm a cur.

[Filippo]

We failed to sell two and one of them was a four cylinder.

[Doug DeMuro]

This is. This car is still bringing money now these are low mileage. They're not that old yet it does check back in three years. But you got to assume these are still, like, these are valuable cars.

[Filippo]

It makes some sense, right? Like, what's your comparison point? If you want a small coupe, you

[Kenan]

can get a keg.

[Filippo]

Well, you can't anymore, but you could get a Cayman. You have to get a GTS 4.0 GT4 to have a flat six manual.

[Doug DeMuro]

Well, this is a Toyota Camry V6.

[Filippo]

Even better.

[Doug DeMuro]

It's unusual, right? Like, yeah, a Cayman and I don't think they're 24 Caymans are selling for 93.

[Filippo]

5. 24 Caymans with the GTS 4.0 R.

[Doug DeMuro]

Think about that, though. That's the best short of a GT4. This has the engine from a Toyota

[Filippo]

GT4 is 90 and is manufactured by

[Doug DeMuro]

a company that may be going out of business business next week.

[Filippo]

Is that still the V6 it uses? Because that V6 hasn't been on a camera in years.

[Doug DeMuro]

Pull it up. I think it's the same 3.5 V6. It's still a Toyota V6 Supercharged 3.5. They still use it in something. They still use it in something. That has allowed the Amira to continue going. I remember talking about this when I reviewed it. You didn't watch.

[Filippo]

I did, but that was years ago.

[Doug DeMuro]

I also watched the video and have forgotten. So don't feel bad.

[Kenan]

You were there.

[Doug DeMuro]

Oh, it's in the Bolwell Nagari. Pull that up. Kenneth Boldwell. B O L W U E L L Nagari.

[Filippo]

There was, by the way, some Talk of the V6 going away and that might be help.

[Kenan]

I spelled it wrong.

[Filippo]

That's just a bull.

[Doug DeMuro]

No, not bold. Well, bull. Well, I can't believe you don't know how to tell this story. The bull.

[Kenan]

Oh, no, it's intestine. So no bal magari. Sorry, sorry. All this

[Doug DeMuro]

B O L W E L L L in the G. It pops right up.

[Kenan]

Oh, yeah. After the pharmacy health center and before car. And

[Doug DeMuro]

that's not even it.

[Kenan]

It's not this thing.

[Doug DeMuro]

So. So there you go. So that's why it's still in production. They, they, they have to supply the engine to the bull Nagari, which I think we all agree is a pretty well known vehicle. It's built, it's built right outside of Melbourne. And they said the Australian automotive industry was dead. They never saw the Bulwell Nagari.

[Kenan]

You've never seen a car like this. Now that's a proper motor car there.

[Filippo]

Can you say bowel nagari in that accent?

[Kenan]

Bowel nagari.

[Filippo]

There you go.

[Doug DeMuro]

Thank you.

[Filippo]

Appreciate that.

[Doug DeMuro]

Pretty good at the S28 exit. That's why they think it's acceptable.

[Kenan]

Dingo ho baby.

[Doug DeMuro]

Are there any other market reports this week?

[Kenan]

Oh, there's something I noticed so recently we sold a Hyundai Equus which great car a lot of people forget about. They are good cars. The the big body V8 like it's a good car.

[Doug DeMuro]

So this is I'm going to be clear. The Equus was the Hyundai's luxury sedan Before Genesis G90 this was a full size luxury sedan intended to be a competitor like Lexus LS sort of on the low end of the S Class. This is as good of one as you're going to find. It's not an ultimate which is the top trim but it has the big V8. One owner low mile. Right.

[Kenan]

And this one was sold by our friend Chris Carbon. Nice car. But I was going through this and I was looking at the service history because like you know, I think a Hyundai is going to be pretty reliable.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah.

[Kenan]

Well here's a service that was done for the suspension you noticed front right assembly $3,205. Left air strut $2,824. Suspension compressor $2,315 and a suspension valve, just a valve $1,065. The total for the suspension service 10,000. Wait, what did the solar and the car sold for 18G.

[Filippo]

Here's what happened. Hyundai never thought somebody would buy the that part. They have three in the world supply

[Doug DeMuro]

the I mean at the end of the day it's just proves the old adage an expensive car may become cheap but remains on the when you're repairing it.

[Kenan]

But I wouldn't even thought that this car would be so this is S class level expensive to take care warranty

[Filippo]

expired just a mere couple years ago. They must have been just outside of that.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah, that's so true. One owner.

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[Doug DeMuro]

Okay that is quite interesting. Isn't that wild folks? If you're going to buy an Equus and you're not not make sure the suspension's already been done.

[Filippo]

But you should consider it.

[Doug DeMuro]

You know ironically if we have one live right now, buy it, pay all the money.

[Kenan]

I remember suspension service would cost more than a significant number of them that we've sold.

[Doug DeMuro]

Boy, these I still think these cars are deals though. Even knowing that you could buy one for nine do the suspension you got that's not going to break again for another 15 years and you drive around coil spring it. Yeah coil spring It. I got a coil conversion on my Equus. Pull up, pull up, pull up. The interior of one of these. These are nice interior.

[Kenan]

It's a nice place to be.

[Doug DeMuro]

You drive around, you feel like you are the Korean consulate in Nashville, Tennessee.

[Kenan]

Well, my friend Ryan and I, when we used to go to car shows, we'd always want to sit in the echoes because it's so nice. We refer to it as the thinking man's Mercedes, which is like what a lot of people thought of it as. It's quite nice. It's a nice place to be.

[Doug DeMuro]

Okay. The questions this week were absolute fire. I've never seen questions.

[Filippo]

They were fire.

[Doug DeMuro]

They were so good. These questions make Ryan Low Lopez look like his air conditioning is working.

[Filippo]

Whoa.

[Doug DeMuro]

Remember, you too can ask us questions. You go to carsandbids.com, you click on the community tab, and there's a post that says, these are questions. Ask us questions. And then you ask. I want to start with the best question I've ever read on the whole pot. 140 million episodes from Dodge Calibur SRT4 Fanboy. Which, by the way, hell yeah. If the original Fast and Furious was made today instead of 2001, who would you cast as the hero and villain cars?

[Kenan]

Wow, that's a good question. Okay, I need to think for a moment.

[Doug DeMuro]

The cars, the two big hero cars from that movie were the Dodge Charger and the Supra, which we have in existence today. Yeah. So, I mean, the question's answered. Four cylinder Supra and a Dodge Charger electric. No problem.

[Filippo]

The Dodge Charger is one of the.

[Doug DeMuro]

Oh, sure, okay. It was the one that crashes at the. The. The thing blows up.

[Filippo]

Don't forget about the Jetta gli.

[Doug DeMuro]

Oh, yeah. There were a lot of cool cars and we could spend a lot of time going through it. And. And in the. In the. To be clear, the villain car was that S2000. Like the group of, like, black. Black Hondas. Like, it was Honda Civics and things like that. Right.

[Filippo]

So heroes, villains, blurry line.

[Doug DeMuro]

Okay, so they used Honda Civics to steal the tv. Oh, yeah. I guess that was our. The crew we liked.

[Filippo]

Right.

[Doug DeMuro]

They were doing the stealing. The S2000s weren't the S2 2000 was the crew we hated when race wars in the desert. Okay. Yeah, but you. The Supra still probably takes this. That Mark 5. Yeah. What else is there?

[Kenan]

Yeah.

[Filippo]

R35 Kylon.

[Kenan]

Really?

[Filippo]

Still for sale till literally last year.

[Doug DeMuro]

R35 GTR. Why didn't they use why did they use R34s in that movie? Just because it was. It was not possible. Probably it wasn't possible.

[Filippo]

There were some Motor X ones but barely because it came out in 2001. I assume they filmed in 99.

[Doug DeMuro]

Okay, so I think the Supra was the hero car then. The Supra to me is still like the current best JDM sports car, I think. I can't think of a better one. The Z is still out the three.

[Filippo]

The. The. The Z looks cooler than the Supra.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah, the Supra is the Supra and everybody's modding those. The culture around that car is like

[Filippo]

it was then engine that BMW motor B200 V8. Yep.

[Doug DeMuro]

Okay. The Supra's in it. The BRZ has to find a place that's probably the Jetta.

[Filippo]

The first gen BRZ though. Yeah.

[Doug DeMuro]

You now looks too friendly. They're willing to pay for product placement.

[Filippo]

Right? Right. You don't think a GTR R35.

[Doug DeMuro]

R35 GTR should be in the flick? For sure. Maybe as the villain car.

[Filippo]

Eclipse Sport Cross. Still available. Still available.

[Doug DeMuro]

Spillner shows up in.

[Filippo]

Okay, don't you saying like an M2 or an M3 4 would make their way in there at this point.

[Doug DeMuro]

That probably should. Like back in that era those weren't common tuner cars. But there, there's a lot of burble tunes. His community does that stuff. Here's the question though. The Charger was like a 30 year old car when that movie came out. So if you think back, that would be like a mid-90s car. Now that would be like the, the classic. Maybe that's the R34 Skyline or like a Super. An old 300 ZX. An old 3000 GT. Like that would be your classic if you were making the movie now, huh?

[Kenan]

Eventually. Yeah. Eventually. The cars that were in the movie, they have become the classic.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah, they're the classic.

[Filippo]

I'm fishing. A Lexus SC400.

[Doug DeMuro]

No, that. That wasn't enough.

[Filippo]

No, it's like the dad's car as

[Doug DeMuro]

a replacement for that Charger with.

[Filippo]

That's a car he worked on with dad. He wants a one uz.

[Doug DeMuro]

He was working on a one UZ with his dad. You know what they did? They, they went change the oil.

[Filippo]

All right.

[Doug DeMuro]

We're done for the year filter.

[Kenan]

They'll have to touch it for another couple years.

[Filippo]

Right. SVG Cobra.

[Doug DeMuro]

His dad was an accountant. That was just something they had to do every year they didn't bond over.

[Filippo]

I need to get it was a real car. If you're looking like mid-90s, what was SVT? Cobra.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah. Cobra would be the Charger Pry because in that era that was pre actual Charger and Challenger coming back. Those cars are still tuned.

[Filippo]

We were still in the Dodge event Ranger era. Turmy Cobra the coupe not the thing.

[Doug DeMuro]

It's almost a little too new.

[Kenan]

Yeah, yeah.

[Doug DeMuro]

Like an an actual SN95 Cobra. But it wasn't desirable.

[Kenan]

Right? Yeah.

[Doug DeMuro]

WS6 a lot of these cars were.

[Kenan]

Feels like it's just we have one somewhere.

[Doug DeMuro]

Driving a WS6 Bird. I took that car out.

[Filippo]

You can see it.

[Doug DeMuro]

You can see a little bit. We got a WS6 Firebird back here. I took that car out of one of them my whole life.

[Filippo]

Okay. It's a long one I assume.

[Doug DeMuro]

I took it out to do a video with and most a lot of the cars I do videos with and I'm like well that was. And I take the W. I'm worried.

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[Doug DeMuro]

Cuz I've wanted a W my whole life and that era of GM is known to be trash. Right. And I take the car out and the interior is trash of course. And I get in the car and I start it up and I'm like okay, we're going to. And then I drove it around. It was the greatest experience. I want one even more now than I did before I drove it.

[Kenan]

The shifter is surprisingly great and like the drive one's really good. Like I've. The first time I drove one was when I worked at exotic car dealership. We had an anniversary one come in. I know this is crazy but it

[Doug DeMuro]

had 40 miles on it.

[Kenan]

It was brand new and I took it for just a little rip because I just had to know same thing I've always. I've always seen him growing up in the Midwest.

[Doug DeMuro]

See the nostrils.

[Kenan]

Unbelievable how nicely that car drives. Like it drives. It drives so much better than it looks.

[Doug DeMuro]

It also drives like the muscle car I was hoping it would drive like the powertrain sounds raw. It has a raw feel to it. And yet the. The steering's not great but the clutch and shifter are great. It still felt fast. Modern day car fast.

[Kenan]

Yeah. Total.

[Doug DeMuro]

Well that would be the Charger from fast.

[Filippo]

I'm support.

[Doug DeMuro]

I love that we're in agreement on this legit. Still kind of want one.

[Kenan]

I think we've roped going in.

[Filippo]

I have no cons with.

[Doug DeMuro]

Okay, next question.

[Filippo]

Oh by the way, before people ask at the beginning he drove around in a lightning an FVT Lightning. He'd have a Ford Maverick.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah, he had a Maverick Lobo.

[Filippo]

I mean, don't you think? No, it's the coolest Ford pickup.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah, but he would be in a fast truck and the. Yeah, the Ford Maverick. He'd be in a Raptor. You know what he'd be in? He'd be in a Rivian.

[Kenan]

Oh, my.

[Filippo]

Do you think they would. Do you think they would talk about the fact that it's much harder to overnight parts from Japan now? Tariffs, tariffs, blockades.

[Doug DeMuro]

Be able to overnight parts from Japan now?

[Filippo]

Now we can't.

[Doug DeMuro]

Trump screwed us. Okay, here's the next question from alum.

[Filippo]

Wait, I gotta say this. I'm so sorry. If you want to go look at a bunch of the cars from the Fast and Furious movie, go to the Peterson. Let me.

[Doug DeMuro]

You tell you something. If they have that example, if there's something that Filippo can promote, folks, go to the Peterson and tell everyone you meet that Filippo sent you.

[Filippo]

You know what, please.

[Doug DeMuro]

He'll be so thrilled.

[Filippo]

I would be.

[Kenan]

And they'll go, who is Phil?

[Doug DeMuro]

I don't know. Okay, this is a great question from Alan Spreco. In your opinion, what is the worst car when it comes to being the most maintenance heavy, but simultaneously not getting any enjoyment of ownership in return? Because a lot of car. The maintenance heavy cars like the Countach, we do it because we love them and they're really enjoyable. And it's. What car is incredibly maintenance heavy but not enjoyable?

[Kenan]

Fisker Ocean, maybe.

[Doug DeMuro]

There were a lot of any Fisker product, but I was thinking about it and I started to think about our friend Nick and he's got that P38.

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[Doug DeMuro]

And that car is bad to own and bad to own Now. I don't think it's the worst. When I was thinking about it more, the XJ xjs. Oh, the Jaguar XJS has got to be number one. It's incredibly difficult to own with its. With its big old V12 and all of its issues. It looks like a Buick and yet it isn't really that enjoyable to use. It doesn't drive all that well. You're perpetually worried that you're going to damage it if you press the accelerator. But the P38 of NYX has got to be out there. Some British cars, I think a lot

[Kenan]

of British Leland vehicles of this era. Yeah, Yeah.

[Filippo]

I thought you were going to say the Crescent Pacifica.

[Doug DeMuro]

It's. No, that's actually probably also up there. Don't you think it's one of those two or Something similar.

[Kenan]

It is. I. I want. I've always wanted to like these car.

[Doug DeMuro]

You ever driven one?

[Kenan]

No. Well, yeah, I. Exactly. I have.

[Doug DeMuro]

I drove this one.

[Kenan]

Yeah, I remember. You know, I don't want to say this.

[Filippo]

Oh, no.

[Doug DeMuro]

Oh, wow.

[Kenan]

Porsche 928.

[Doug DeMuro]

928S.

[Kenan]

I think it's another good example. The early ones in particular, not the late ones. The late, like GTSs were late.

[Doug DeMuro]

928s are pretty good, pretty balanced, especially the manual. There are a lot of automatics and there are a lot of bad ones.

[Kenan]

Yeah, they are. And they are hard to take care of, is my understanding. The engines require a lot of work. Like D. Diagnostic stuff is hard.

[Doug DeMuro]

I just put all that money into my 993. Imagine if I dumped it into a $6200 used car.

[Kenan]

Yeah. I mean.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah, this is actually. This isn't an S with a stick, but if you pull up.

[Kenan]

I don't think it's an S, but.

[Doug DeMuro]

Oh, no, it just said. Oh, yeah, it did. It wasn't.

[Kenan]

But.

[Doug DeMuro]

But there are automatics that are like, a lot less desirable.

[Filippo]

They're rare on our site.

[Kenan]

Yeah, we don't accept many, although we have.

[Filippo]

Yeah, we know. We've posted some, to be clear.

[Doug DeMuro]

This is one.

[Kenan]

Yeah. So, yeah, that's a good.

[Doug DeMuro]

I think that's definitely $6,000 car.

[Kenan]

Yeah, I always. Again, it's another car I've wanted to like, but I just can't bring.

[Doug DeMuro]

I do still think about getting a GTS occasionally.

[Kenan]

GTS is cool. I can't even tell you.

[Doug DeMuro]

I promise. You know, one came to our cars and coffee with a manual transmission not that long ago. It was a crazy color combo, too, like a green interior or something. Horrible.

[Kenan]

Really?

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah.

[Kenan]

Yeah. That's a serious car. Those cars don't come up for auction very often, but they bring real money when they do.

[Doug DeMuro]

They are great to drive. Seriously great cars to drive. But it took them that long a car came out in like 77. It took them like 17 years to make one that somebody really wanted.

[Kenan]

Right. And even then they killed it shortly after this.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah. And then they killed it. Yeah, they pulled the General Motors.

[Kenan]

Oh, man. All right, hit us with another question.

[Doug DeMuro]

You got any better ones?

[Kenan]

Do you have any?

[Filippo]

No.

[Doug DeMuro]

You think those are the ones?

[Filippo]

Yeah, Yeah, I think that pretty clearly.

[Doug DeMuro]

Okay, next question from. Next question from Joe Silver. Dear Doug, by the way, before we do this question, I actually want to talk about the Fisker Oceans. I was in New York City.

[Filippo]

I've just seen many.

[Doug DeMuro]

I was there In New York City they're all taxis and I rode in one and the woman driving the Fisker Ocean told me the whole story. The company that bought them is leasing them to drive drivers per week.

[Filippo]

We do for like a lot of rideshare rentals. Yeah.

[Doug DeMuro]

And I can't remember, she said it cost me a thousand bucks every two weeks. Predatory, but okay. Well, it also allows them a lot of flexibility.

[Kenan]

Yeah.

[Doug DeMuro]

She says like if I don't want to drive, I just don't rent the car for those two weeks when I'm traveling. But she said it's like a thousand bucks every two weeks. But she said the company's already made the money back by far. The cars have not been that expensive to own. They've actually been pretty good customers. Like them, they work as Uber block blacks. They work for like black car companies. And she said it's like a, it's like a nice car and it's pretty fun. And she showed me she still has 500 launches left.

[Filippo]

And I was like, she doesn't use a similar.

[Doug DeMuro]

Do a launch, let's go.

[Filippo]

You think they check when she returns that car?

[Doug DeMuro]

She did tell me that it has horrible seasonality for its range. A lot of EVs get bad in the cold. But she said that one goes. She said she's seen as, as optimistic as like 380 miles or 400 miles. And when it's nice and down to 165 miles on the coldest, it's a two year old car.

[Filippo]

Yeah. I mean EVS like that are the perfect use case for taxis.

[Kenan]

Yeah.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah. Because I was 165 miles. She basically was like, I don't, I'm in Manhattan mostly.

[Filippo]

Right.

[Doug DeMuro]

Like you can't drive. No matter. She's like, I can drive 12 hour days and not end up driving anywhere near the rain.

[Filippo]

My recollection from when we had that very one in the office for a while is that the big. And from reading a lot of four forums about it, key fobs are a real problem. Yep. Key fob off didn't work. And like some like on startup tech. But if you're a taxi, you never turn the car.

[Doug DeMuro]

Keep in mind though also that that Fisker sold not only the vehicles but all of the parts and the software stuff to this company. And so I have a suspicion that this company maybe hired some people who maybe were able to work out some of the difficulties of that stuff.

[Filippo]

That's brilliant.

[Doug DeMuro]

In order to try to keep these things on the road. They still are pretty Modern and they look pretty nice and they're pretty new. I mean I. New York Comfort now has a ton of varied vehicles cuz Uber's. I mean I rode on a BZ4X just all sorts of different stuff and this is probably the best stuff also. Good lease.

[Kenan]

Yeah, they are really cool. I. I was. When this car came out I was so into it and was really hoping it would be successful. It's nice to hear they actually can be relatively reliable. I hadn't heard that before.

[Filippo]

Yeah, you could still buy one.

[Kenan]

I don't want one. I did see a doll. I did see one. A dog's head out the G. California. When California.

[Filippo]

There are two by Ken and I live near each other. There are two.

[Kenan]

There are some.

[Doug DeMuro]

Next question from evs and clutch pedals. This one's for you Filippo and I. I know the answer but I hope you know the answer.

[Filippo]

Okay.

[Doug DeMuro]

What are the most and least luxurious luxury car brands? We know the most. Rolls, Bentley, etc. What's the least luxurious luxury car brand?

[Filippo]

Infiniti.

[Doug DeMuro]

Can tell them the correct answer please. No.

[Kenan]

Infinity is up there. There. Lexus is good. I don't know.

[Filippo]

Have you been in an Infinity?

[Doug DeMuro]

The answer is Tesla. You consider Tesla. The greater culture considers Tesla to be

[Filippo]

a luxury brand because they started with the model.

[Doug DeMuro]

Whether or not you or I do, people think of Tesla. People like brag on social media about their Tesla and it's like that's more common than a Honda Accord at this point. Like they are everywhere.

[Filippo]

That's a good point.

[Doug DeMuro]

Ryan Lopez is literally an enthusiast and it's like being an enthusiast of the 2012 Honda Civic.

[Kenan]

Those exist too.

[Filippo]

Model Tesla. They're killing the Model S and Model X. So there's a Signature Edition. A Model X signature edition is $160,000 car.

[Doug DeMuro]

They'll sell nine, you know, but like they're clear.

[Filippo]

Like because they launched with the S. And then yes, I think they are

[Doug DeMuro]

a luxury brand because they're like futuristic. And so people like oh it's futuristic. But we had in the office we had a Model Y base model new brand new one that I reviewed that's going to go up I think next month maybe the of this month. That was the trashiest trash. We all drove it. We all agreed it was the worst car for a luxury car. It was. The NVH was so bad again. It was a base, base, base.

[Filippo]

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[Kenan]

you're going to take those things, I'd say Maserati.

[Doug DeMuro]

No.

[Filippo]

Because that's at least luxurious. Ish.

[Kenan]

Is it?

[Filippo]

Yeah, they have like leather on the

[Doug DeMuro]

MC20 is like a pretty.

[Kenan]

The MC20 is good but the Ghibli still sells.

[Filippo]

It's pretty nice inside though. Like, like the materials feel decent enough. It's quiet, it's composed.

[Doug DeMuro]

I think more than Tesla Ma. Like Tesla is the least luxurious luxury car brand. It is luxurious in name alone, not in actual practice.

[Filippo]

Yeah, agreed. You. I forgot about Tesla cuz they're not luxury in my mind.

[Doug DeMuro]

In my mind either. But the.

[Filippo]

The world consider.

[Doug DeMuro]

Oh, you had a Tesla. Whoa. And it's like any other car would be better than.

[Filippo]

I'll give you.

[Kenan]

If you get an Uber X it will probably be a Tesla. Pretty good chance.

[Filippo]

Oldsmobile.

[Doug DeMuro]

Oh how sweet.

[Filippo]

Actually no, they were pretty. A lot of luxurious.

[Doug DeMuro]

I only have time for one more question which is sad because they were so fire.

[Kenan]

We also have some gifts we have to get through.

[Filippo]

For example, the Toronado. I mean that's a luxury brand luxury car.

[Doug DeMuro]

Pull up. What? What is pull up that.

[Filippo]

That Alero. That was a nice one of the intrigues.

[Doug DeMuro]

Pull up the Sierra. Look at this. Look at this Cutlass Sierra.

[Filippo]

We all agree that Oldsmobile was the luxury luxury brand. The mid level luxury brand.

[Doug DeMuro]

But the luxury brand Buick and Oldsmobile. That's why. Yeah, that's why one of them had to go. It didn't make sense that they 5

[Filippo]

I will happily give Buick.

[Doug DeMuro]

Go back to that interior photo you were on. And. And we see, we see there's a third row. Go back to the. The Keep going. This one. Apply brake to shift from park.

[Filippo]

You got to remind the people.

[Doug DeMuro]

It's. It's. It's really nostalgic, isn't it?

[Kenan]

You gotta love that level of every

[Doug DeMuro]

GM product that shift from.

[Kenan]

But even just looking at that, I know how that feels.

[Doug DeMuro]

Oh yeah. You can feel that thing clunking together.

[Filippo]

Feels good.

[Doug DeMuro]

You can feel that thing clung. You feel like you're breaking on every time.

[Filippo]

But you know what? You also know.

[Kenan]

But it does have lurch because of the.

[Filippo]

You also know that the AC was cold.

[Kenan]

Oh very cold.

[Doug DeMuro]

Y. Yeah.

[Filippo]

Every GM product and shock that has

[Doug DeMuro]

a blue interior, not red, like they all did. Okay, last question. Last question. From Mac05. Oh, from Silent Salami. From Silent Salami. Did you Usually is when talking about car sales, you often disregard fleet sales. Why are they not important? A sale is still a sale, right? Fleet sales are profitless is why I disregard them. Almost every automaker. Fleet sales are complicated. Automakers have union contracts, labor with their factories, and they kind of have to make a certain number of cars per year or else they're paying people not to work, more or less. This isn't entirely hard and fast, but it's sort of how it works. In some cases, in order to make sure the automakers hit those numbers and get the cars sold and get the cars built that they have to build. They have fleet contracts and sell cars to fleets, and they basically don't make any money from that. And Honda has never made fleet sales. And as a result, Honda's Accord, which is probably more popular than the Toyota Camry or just as popular, has never even been close to the Toyota Camry, which sells in pretty significant numbers to fleets and rail car companies. That's a decision Toyota goes after. They sell those cars. I don't want to say for practice, but they definitely do not sell them for massive practice profits. That Oldsmobile Cutlass Sierra, I guarantee, was a fleet sale at one point. That was a rental car at the Houston Airport in 1987 or whatever. 96 got that car. I can't believe it.

[Kenan]

I can't believe that either.

[Doug DeMuro]

And so that's why we kind of disregard them. Like, it's like, okay, you sold that many cars, but a lot of people can sell cars to fleets. Rental car companies have significant demand for cars. And so just being able to sell 100,000 units every year. But you sold all of your Dodge Darts to Enterprise. That doesn't really suggest there is consumer demand for a vehicle. The company's not making money. The public is not interested in the cars. It is technically a sale. And on the sale chart, it counts. But that's one of the reasons why I always prefer, when possible, to look at actual financials from automakers rather than Buick just saying we're selling more cars than ever before. It's like, yeah, I see a lot of them with rental car plates. You know, we all know that the Florida sticker that says pm, we know it's a rental car.

[Filippo]

Good old permanent. I will also say we care a lot, especially on this podcast about consumers, consumer sentiment. Like, what are people choosing to spend their money on. How does that reflect how competitive that manufacturer's product is? Fleet sales are wholly unrelated to that. The enterprise is not buying that car because consumers are. Wow.

[Doug DeMuro]

In fact, I would argue the opposite. Right. Enterprise cannot buy the desirable cars in that segment because they're already sold. They're selling them. And so they buy the Dodge Dart because. Or the. Or the Cobalt at the end because those are available to them. It's quite the opposite.

[Filippo]

There is a little bit, one exception. You may have seen in the news a bunch that Lucid has an agreement with one of the self driving companies. Rivian has another one where they have some commitment. The reason that's in the news is that that indicates that that company can keep producing cars. They produce so few that committing 30,000 Lucids is like, oh wow, they need to now build 30,000 Lucids. And that's why it's in the news. And interesting because it's like they're so low on the production scale.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah, I guess it's still. That is a worthy news story, but I think it still indicates the same thing.

[Filippo]

Oh, 100%.

[Doug DeMuro]

You're not seeing Rivian sell. Although Rivians are Caltrans cars. I was in dc, there's Rivian's driving around is DC City of DC Built in America? Why not built in America?

[Filippo]

And also there's a bunch of like AI overlap things where they want to be partnered with the company doing Built in America.

[Doug DeMuro]

Okay, that's the end of our podcast today. Except we have one more thing to mention.

[Kenan]

Yes, this arrived. Someone actually reached out to me on the Instagrams and sent. They were going to send this to us and this is what they sent. This is from Nick. This is a BMW clock. This is evidently from a dealer at the time and it's supposed to look like a BMW gauge. So imagine it does. You're selling, you're selling Z8s.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah.

[Kenan]

And this is also. It's made out of metal and it's like.

[Doug DeMuro]

Oh my God.

[Kenan]

Yeah, it looks like plastic, like a lot of BMW metals of the time, but it's actually made of metal.

[Doug DeMuro]

Does it work? It does.

[Kenan]

I'll put a battery in it later. But it looks like a gauge.

[Doug DeMuro]

See this? Woo.

[Kenan]

Oh please. He sent it to me. He does this, he takes, he plays with things that aren't toys. But it also for you it says not only MPH on the gauge but also kph.

[Doug DeMuro]

Oh, it says KPH for Filipo for Felipe. Cuz that's what he's used to As a boy growing up in Italy.

[Kenan]

Definitely not.

[Filippo]

They say mph and then kmh.

[Kenan]

Yeah. Kilometers. Hour.

[Doug DeMuro]

Okay. I can't continue this, but I'm very excited.

[Kenan]

Thank you very much.

[Doug DeMuro]

Have anything else?

[Kenan]

We do, actually. We have quite a few. These.

[Filippo]

We have a lot of gifts.

[Kenan]

Yes. This comes from a viewer named David.

[Doug DeMuro]

Shout out.

[Kenan]

David sent us a box.

[Doug DeMuro]

Where's David located?

[Kenan]

David? I actually met him at the Texas Hill Country Rally.

[Doug DeMuro]

Plano. Plano, Texas is.

[Kenan]

So he sent us a bunch of cars. These two are for you specifically.

[Doug DeMuro]

A D. I don't know why. I have a 2 CV.

[Kenan]

I don't know why he said. He explicitly said every Italian car in here is for Filippo.

[Filippo]

Oh, I swear.

[Doug DeMuro]

Gets a duet.

[Kenan]

Yeah. He gets a Julia T. He the best.

[Filippo]

But 90 super.

[Kenan]

He gets a. He gets a mura sv and I. Julia.

[Doug DeMuro]

This is for Sean.

[Filippo]

Hey, Doug.

[Doug DeMuro]

Two Maserati two.

[Filippo]

But it's Italian, so I'm really sorry.

[Kenan]

He wanted. He wanted me to call this out for you specifically. Filipo.

[Doug DeMuro]

David. I saw.

[Filippo]

So cool.

[Doug DeMuro]

This one's for.

[Kenan]

And I get all the German cars. He gave all the German cars.

[Doug DeMuro]

Very nice. Wait, I want to.

[Filippo]

I've gotten you a Shamal before.

[Doug DeMuro]

I've seen this Shamal before.

[Kenan]

I think you get the Pantera. That's Italian. Technically.

[Doug DeMuro]

I'm taking the lemon. David. Absolutely. Absolute pleasure. Thank you for gifting our office with this. We'll keep going through them.

[Kenan]

They're acres of them.

[Doug DeMuro]

Wonderful podcast. Our third best ever. And maybe best now that I have an Elmo too. Goodbye, everyone.

[Kenan]

Goodbye.