Spy Shots of New Ferrari are Ugly! Audi RS5 Wagon Revealed! Big Trouble for Scout?

Summary

THIS CAR POD! with Doug DeMuro & Friends

Episode Title: Spy Shots of New Ferrari are Ugly! Audi RS5 Wagon Revealed! Big Trouble for Scout?
Date: February 20, 2026
Host: Doug DeMuro
Contributors: Filippo, Kenan

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Episode Overview

This episode dives deep into the latest breaking automotive news, from regulatory changes and controversial new car designs to electric vehicle market turbulence. Doug and his co-hosts Filippo and Kenan offer their expertise and banter on topics including the repeal of start-stop credits in the US, the revelation of the new Audi RS5 Avant/Wagon, strong reactions to spy shots of Ferrari's new electric “Lucha,” delays for the eagerly anticipated Scout EV, and a look at niche and collector market trends. The hosts also discuss their own car projects, recent auctions, and take on a lively audience Q&A.

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Major Discussion Points & Insights

1. US Start-Stop Credit Repeal & Cultural Backlash

(Starts at 01:09)

• The White House video announcing the removal of automaker credits for start-stop technology prompts mixed reactions:
  • Doug: "People don't like it, and I think that this is a response to the people not liking it." (03:07)
  • General consensus: Most people dislike start-stop. Kenan is not bothered, Filippo is indifferent, Doug jokes that Filippo welcomes “government overreach.”
  • Europe is considering making start-stop systems non-defeatable, but hosts see the US market diverging.
  • Manufacturers are expected to drop the feature except in hybrid/mild hybrid models.
  • Notable banter about “beefing up” starter motors and ongoing confusion about how the credits and regulations will develop.

Notable Quote:
Doug: “If you can get a few years out of not beefing up your starter motor, take a button away. There’s no beef. You could go chicken.” (05:44)

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2. Audi RS5 Avant (Wagon) Leak & Enthusiasm

(Starts at 05:59)

• Audi’s embargoed RS5 Avant images leak; Doug is excited to finally discuss specifics:
  • Comparable in size to the BMW M3 Touring—smaller and lighter than the big E63/M5/RS6 wagons.
  • Plug-in hybrid 2.9L turbo V6, possibly producing 630hp.
  • Filippo and Doug debate whether it is a “true wagon” (it is!) and lament that these practical designs are rare.
  • Real excitement about the US finally getting more performance wagons in a reasonable size.
  • Kenan quips that Doug wants a “1.5-liter” wagon.

Notable Quotes:
Doug: "I said if they brought the M3 touring to the States, I would buy one... This is that but cooler." (06:44)
Filippo: “I think there’s a lot of people like a sport wagon. Yeah, I think that’s right.” (10:14)

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3. Ferrari ‘Lucha’ Spy Shots – “Ugly!” Debate

(Starts at 11:12)

• First spy shots of Ferrari’s new electric “Lucha” provoke strong reactions:
  • Designed by Jony Ive (ex-Apple).
  • Doug: “This is the ugliest…” (11:15)
  • The design is divisive, likened (unfavorably) to the Nissan Stagea “bread van” and Alfa Romeo SZ.
  • Debate over foreign designers on Italian cars (Brits shouldn’t, per Doug!).
  • Johnny Ive himself admits to being “anxious about the reveal.”
  • The panel is worried about radical simplicity and how the EV platform will affect Ferrari tradition.
  • Kenan: “People are going to want to pile on this car to hate it because it’s an electric Ferrari.”

Memorable Banter:
Doug: “If the designer is saying that he’s worried about it…” (14:35)
Kenan: “Try opening a window instead.” (22:07)

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4. Scout Delayed – Bad Signs or Typical EV Woes?

(Starts at 18:23)

• Scout, VW’s US-targeted rugged EV offshoot, delays its truck/SUV launch by a year.
  • They claim the delay is purely technical, not market-driven—but hosts are skeptical.
  • Most pre-orders are for the “range extender” variant; Doug jokes: “Oh good, that’s what I want for my full-size truck, a three-cylinder.”
  • VW’s “existing financial obligations” called out as a likely real reason; hosts point to both market and technical headwinds for EV upstarts.
  • Discussion about the challenges of building new factories (South Carolina plant) and Scout’s chance of repeating Rivian’s early success.

Key Insight:
“Every single company has delayed their launch of the first.” (Kenan, 20:47)

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5. Tesla Cyber Cab & Robotaxis—Too Many Crashes?

(Starts at 22:27)

• Tesla has built its first Cyber Cab robo-taxi concept in Austin; regular production is months off.
  • Kenan notes robo-taxis crash four times as often as human-driven vehicles.
  • Only Waymo is financially stable in the sector—most others are "on the verge of bankruptcy."
  • Doug’s dark amusement: “I think they’re heinous and I want more of that... It’s going to revolutionize the taxi industry.”
  • Filippo: “Body shops are going to be thrilled.”

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6. Audi TT Electric Coupé & Porsche’s Cautious Plans

(Starts at 24:51)

• Audi is committed to an electric coupe (the “C Sport”) based on the electric Cayman platform—even if Porsche bails.
  • Recognition that the TT’s legacy is not as sacred, so an EV is less controversial.
  • Doug: “Is this the coolest looking thing you’ve ever seen?”
    Filippo: “It’s up there.” (25:58)
  • Discussion cements the ongoing shift to EV coupes and speculation on Italian vs. German design philosophies.

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7. Car Projects & Collector Market Trends

“Talk Car” segment starts at 34:35

• Filippo’s inherited 1972 F250 pickup—now running with help from Dave at Iconic Automotive. Doug’s suggestions for a resto-mod EV swap are swiftly rejected.
• Doug obsesses over the Hennessey Ranger Velociraptor, a high-output Ford Ranger special.
• Discussion of rare and niche collector models:
  • Audi Q7 V12 TDI (diesel super-SUV, only in Europe)—Doug tells story of sighting one in Prague.
  • Jeff Koons BMW 8-Series art car (market report): panel verdict—lavishly executed, “would drive if affordable.”
  • Ferrari 599 price spikes; manual conversions may be contributing.

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8. Audience Q&A – Notable Responses

(Starts at 63:34)

• Most trouble with a dealer or press car provider: Doug shares an anecdote about manufacturer pressure to take down a review video—refuses unless the OEM calls him (66:03).
• If you could only drive one country’s cars forever: Most panelists land on Germany or Japan for range; Doug champions the US.
• Favorite cross-country stop: Doug’s annual tradition: staying at the “world’s largest Bass Pro Shops” hotel inside the Memphis Pyramid (69:54).
• Rank your interest in other transport modes:
  • Doug universally scores “zero” for everything but cars; Kenan/Filippo reveal some enthusiasm for trains and planes.
• What happened to automotive night vision systems?
  • Used to be a luxury feature (e.g., S-Class); faded due to cost, liability, and superseding tech like lidar, but remained very useful (77:09).
• “Intervention” car sale: Nick’s (offscreen) extensive, troublesome fleet is the clear answer.

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Other Memorable Quotes & Moments

• On Ferrari Lucha:
  Doug: “Somewhere lurking inside this block of marble, is an attractive car.” (12:30)
• On electric Ferraris:
  Doug: “The way to go electric if you’re Ferrari is to come out with an F40—but it’s electric. Like that’s how you don’t lose.” (15:56)
• On US car size “growth”:
  Doug: “Cars are not getting bigger… In the ‘50s and ‘60s cars were huge!” (83:24)
  Filippo: “You see in Europe and Japan, people still buy small cars—because that’s what you can drive.” (84:41)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• White House Start/Stop repeal & video: 01:09–05:56
• Audi RS5 Avant leak & specs: 05:59–11:11
• Ferrari Lucha electric spy shots: 11:12–18:19
• Scout EV delays: 18:23–24:51
• Tesla Cyber Cab & robo-taxis: 22:27–25:13
• Audi electric coupe / TT news: 25:13–34:35
• Car projects, Hennessey Ranger, collector models: 34:35–43:40
• Market report (Jeff Koons 8 Series, Ferrari 599, etc.): 53:38–62:38
• Q&A segment: 63:34–85:19

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Tone and Banter

• Style: Fast, irreverent, and often sardonic. Doug jests about government overreach and always steers topics back to enthusiasm for obscure wagons, beefed-up starter motors, and relics of weird automotive tech.
• Panel Dynamic: Filippo often plays “reasonable contrarian,” Kenan provides tech/scientific balance, with Doug anchoring the show’s blend of insight and comedy.
• Running Gags: “Government overreach,” “beefing up” starter motors, and whether Italian designers really have the Midas touch.

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Summary Takeaways

• There’s genuine excitement about the return of practical, high-performance wagons to the US.
• Widespread skepticism about the future of certain EV startups, and concerns that electric luxury/car launches are out of sync with current market realities.
• The automotive world is watching Ferrari’s design pivot with a mix of dread and fascination.
• The car hobby/market remains quirky, with cult interest in oddball collector models, and recurring nostalgia for “simpler” features like non-defeatable start-stop or night vision.
• The hosts’ Q&A segment delivers humor and random wisdom—everything from the joy of staying in a Bass Pro Shops Pyramid to the futility of tracking every vehicle type.

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For full experience, listen from 01:09 (after ads). Skip to 05:59 for RS5 discussion, 11:12 for Ferrari spy shots, and 34:35 for the highly entertaining talk car segment.

Transcript

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[Doug DeMuro]

Foreign. Hello and welcome to this car pod.

[Filippo]

I'm Felipe.

[Doug DeMuro]

There's a lot to talk about. Bring on our first news story. Oh, yes.

[Kenan]

Oh, yeah. Stop Start. So the White House recently put out a video related to this. So the Trump administration has said that they're going to be removing the credits for automakers to install Start Stop technology. They claim that it really upsets people and everybody's mad about people. Everybody's mad about it. They all hate it.

[Doug DeMuro]

People don't like it.

[Kenan]

People don't like it. Me, I'm actually not that bothered by it.

[Doug DeMuro]

Well, you. You've never driven a car that has.

[Kenan]

Yes, I have. I haven't owned one, but I've driven many.

[Doug DeMuro]

You in your life have never been around a car that owns.

[Kenan]

The first time it happened to me in an 812 super fast. I was a little surprised at that, I have to say.

[Filippo]

I will say I don't hate it.

[Doug DeMuro]

Well, you hate.

[Filippo]

I don't feel strongly about it.

[Doug DeMuro]

You're Filippo.

[Filippo]

I don't feel strongly about it in any way.

[Doug DeMuro]

We know that you don't hate. We also know that you like government overreach. The government reaches into your house. You're like, come on, government.

[Kenan]

All right, more.

[Doug DeMuro]

More reaching.

[Kenan]

Getting out of Filippo's house and reach some manufacturers.

[Doug DeMuro]

Have you seen the video?

[Kenan]

That's the big thing is that the

[Doug DeMuro]

White House has probably. No, we can't watch it.

[Filippo]

We have to watch the video. We can't watch it.

[Kenan]

Yes we can.

[Filippo]

We have to watch the video.

[Kenan]

We can't.

[Doug DeMuro]

There's a video where there's a couple of people we're not going to explain

[Kenan]

in a Prius and then there's a girl drinking clearly a Coca Cola. She's on that side of the car and then all of a sudden's on the other side and it's in some AI car that doesn't exist.

[Doug DeMuro]

You don't think that's aroma?

[Kenan]

No. And it says leaving auto stops start in the dust. I think you'll see they're making something hot again.

[Filippo]

I do have a few questions about the video.

[Doug DeMuro]

Well I don't want to talk about them.

[Filippo]

Cool.

[Kenan]

While making America hot again.

[Doug DeMuro]

If we talk about the comments are going to be just littered with this crap. We, we didn't dick to the.

[Filippo]

I'm going to keep it correlated. Okay, first of all it starts with a first with a second gen Prius. We start with a third gen Prius and then goes to a second gen Prius. And also the Prius to my knowledge does not have a start stop on off button.

[Doug DeMuro]

No, I don't think it does. That's a third gen Prius the whole time.

[Filippo]

Nope. The interior in that shot is actually also a second gen Prius.

[Doug DeMuro]

No.

[Filippo]

And then we just wait. Just wait.

[Doug DeMuro]

It's almost.

[Filippo]

And then, and then, and then wait look. Wait wait wait look. Oh yeah.

[Doug DeMuro]

That's definitely the same color.

[Filippo]

And that is the car portion of

[Doug DeMuro]

this that we can talk about the auto start stop. People don't like it and I think that this is a response to the people not liking it. Yep.

[Filippo]

There is some benefit that it has emissions.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah. I've heard that Europe is going to make it non defeatable or maybe they already have.

[Filippo]

That's Europe.

[Doug DeMuro]

We don't.

[Filippo]

We don't.

[Kenan]

I read like the statement Motor Trend did a great thing of talking to a bunch of manufacturers about what they think.

[Doug DeMuro]

What are they going to do.

[Kenan]

Some were like it just depends on the market. Ford was like kind of.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah, yeah.

[Kenan]

I mean it's. It's kind of what you'd expect from the various manufacturers.

[Doug DeMuro]

People don't like it. I mean it routinely I hear from people that they don't like it.

[Kenan]

My thing with it always was it just seems like it's stressful in the starter motor. Cold weather, it's stressful on the engines. Like it seems like it's savings are not that great.

[Filippo]

Manufacturers believe it or not do have engineers and they figured out how to make it out of beef up starter motors and.

[Doug DeMuro]

Or only late for whatever this comes.

[Kenan]

But didn't BMW just have a recall

[Doug DeMuro]

in the starter motors? The word beef is every single time beef is used.

[Kenan]

Beef is just.

[Doug DeMuro]

They beef it up. Why can't you say enhanced every time the starter motor does come in with

[Filippo]

all the starter motor?

[Kenan]

Because enhanced just sounds so delicate. Beef is like what's for dinner.

[Filippo]

And also it will only work when you're not in most cars, when you're not using AC on high. When you're like when the load on the engine. When the engine is warmed up. It doesn't really matter though. They're going to cut the credits for it. Who really cares?

[Doug DeMuro]

And automake. What do you mean, who cares? A lot of people are going to love this. And you no longer have to be one of the people who are warm at this light. You can now be one of the

[Filippo]

people that are way out, that are hot.

[Doug DeMuro]

Hot. That's the weird part. And cool mean the same thing.

[Kenan]

Keeping cool while making America hot again.

[Filippo]

You know, I don't get it. But that's okay.

[Doug DeMuro]

Okay, it was.

[Kenan]

It's bizarre.

[Doug DeMuro]

But the point they were making, which you are obfuscating intentionally because you love that government. The point they were making is that people don't like this and they are getting rid of it. And now it will be good.

[Filippo]

They're removing incentives that manufacturers have been pursuing.

[Doug DeMuro]

You're trying to imply that some manufacturers will not get rid of it. Of course, I don't agree with that. I think they're going to get rid of it.

[Filippo]

You, for for example, you have a mild hybrid in your E Class wagon.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah.

[Filippo]

The main benefit is that the engine can shut off more easily as you're approaching a stop sign and then maybe give a little bit of power.

[Doug DeMuro]

The main benefit is that my hybrid system runs accessories such as the little lights on the climate control buttons. What?

[Filippo]

Some manufacturers, especially the ones that have hybrids, that have mild hybrids, I suspect will keep doing it. Keep those features go.

[Doug DeMuro]

They'll probably do it for cars where they figure the people won't care. But like trucks and Ferrari. Yeah, sure. They'll probably drop it. Sure. I mean, it adds. You have to beef up the starter motor. For God's sake.

[Filippo]

You have to imagine that they expect that the credits will come back for it and. Or that emissions requirements will come back eventually. And so I don't.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah. But if you can get a few years out of not beefing up your starter motor, you take a button away. There's no beef. You could go chicken and poultry or chick Fil A. What's our next news story? This is interesting. We'll see what happens.

[Kenan]

Interesting and bizarre and rude to people

[Filippo]

that don't praise us.

[Doug DeMuro]

This is a big deal. I want to talk a little bit about this. A couple of weeks ago I get in my inbox there. You know my inbox? Sure. I get a note, hey, this is happening. This RS5 Avant. And they send us little embargoed information. Well, it leaked. Not by me. But now that the leak is here, I got an email from Audi today saying please stick to the embargo, folks. It's out there. I ain't sticking it on embargo.

[Filippo]

This is not the footer that you received. This is the photo that we pulled from one of the websites.

[Doug DeMuro]

I actually never even looked at the photo to be perfectly honest. But this is. But this is because they always give you like a silhouette. That's what they give the journalists while the real stuff's out there. This is cool as hell.

[Filippo]

What do we know about it? That we know know about it?

[Doug DeMuro]

We know apparently a lot. I was surprised because I had always said if they brought the M3 touring to the States, I would buy one. I said that for a long time and didn't do it. This is that but cooler. It's the same size because the M5 Touring instead came which is this Giganto normal Masso thing. It's like a transform former. It's like. What's the fella's name? The Trans.

[Filippo]

Like. Like the things that you like the boxes that you see outside of apartment. Like.

[Doug DeMuro]

No, no, no. Like. Like. Like Optimus Prime. Like. Like the shallow buff like Optimus Prime. And so it's huge. It's huge.

[Filippo]

Transform.

[Doug DeMuro]

It may. It's. There's got to be some explanation for

[Filippo]

the weight and knocks down. I've never seen the movies. I don't know.

[Doug DeMuro]

It's ready. Yeah, it's ready to fight for you if it needs to. There's. There's a component built in there. It's in the transmission tunnel. Anyway, this is not that. This is the smaller. So this is M3 sized and it's a plug in hybrid and it's going to have some amount of power. The rumor mill says a plug in hybrid 2.9 liter turbo V6, which I think is so sad because that's the motor they use in the RS cars already. I don't like that engine. It doesn't have quick response from zero. It's pretty quick.

[Filippo]

In the mid range, a plug in hybrid might actually be perfect.

[Doug DeMuro]

It might, it might improve it. But I just think you have to

[Filippo]

download torque of the left maybe, maybe you have to start, stop.

[Doug DeMuro]

Audi's throttle tip in has just never been what I've been looking for. And I bet they're going to screw it up in this car too. But I make, I'm ready to give it a shot. Except in the V8s. The V8s are great. That, that turbo V8 is amazing. It's not really an Audi motor. 600 supposedly 630 horsepower.

[Filippo]

Wow.

[Doug DeMuro]

That's real.

[Filippo]

And a wagon. And it looks like a pretty slopey wagon, but that's okay.

[Doug DeMuro]

No, it's a real wagon. There's no slopiness to it. Because you're thinking because they call it the A5, it's going to be sloppy. No, it's a straight wagon. You're going to like it.

[Filippo]

1 My complaints with Audi wagons in the last few generations that they've been a little too slopey for.

[Doug DeMuro]

But it's not like I want my

[Filippo]

wagon to be practical.

[Doug DeMuro]

What I'm, what I'm telling you though is this isn't an rc.

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[Doug DeMuro]

This isn't like a slow thing.

[Filippo]

This is not a hatchback.

[Doug DeMuro]

This is like a true wagon.

[Kenan]

I don't know, that roof does go down quite a bit.

[Doug DeMuro]

But that's what all that's what he's saying. But this will be very cool. You know what he wants, honestly? He wants a 1998 Volvo V70.

[Filippo]

Yeah. Or a 210 wagon.

[Doug DeMuro]

He doesn't even care that it has extra power. And you know what he wants in that V70? A giant sunroof so the government can come in and reach for him.

[Filippo]

I actually do want less power in my wagon.

[Doug DeMuro]

He wants less power. He is the person in that, that Prius video.

[Filippo]

I want an E220 so bad. Regardless. This is incredibly cool. I love wagons.

[Doug DeMuro]

Much powerful. I love wagons.

[Filippo]

I think Audi wagons generally look phenomenal.

[Doug DeMuro]

630 horsepower. That's real.

[Kenan]

Number real.

[Filippo]

Yep.

[Doug DeMuro]

God. Can't get him excited about power. 630 horsepower.

[Kenan]

That's real. That's real.

[Doug DeMuro]

The really cool thing about this in my opinion, because there's also another body style that I paid attention to and no one cares about that. But. And this is the cool one. And the thing that I think is really exciting, truly really exciting is that it's the small size we have gotten already now. The AMG E63, the M5 Touring and the Audi RS6. So the big size wagons have come, but they have massive power and massive weight and massive expense. Obviously this will still be expensive. It's probably an 85 car, but like, finally we have a C63 sized or a M3 sized.

[Filippo]

Do we know that it's coming to the US? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm thrilled. Like, there's clearly been a return to wagons and I think there's a large clientele of people like Kenan and myself. Well, Ken doesn't like wagons, but I do. I don't have kids. I don't need the space of a full size station wagon. But I would want a station wagon.

[Doug DeMuro]

I think there's a lot of people like a sport wagon. Yeah, I think that's right. I think that's most of who bought the A4 all road back when it was still going on, you know, five, eight years ago.

[Filippo]

I'm pumped into it.

[Doug DeMuro]

I'm so pumped now. I did say that I would get the M3 wagon if it came to the States, as I made that statement five years ago. Life has changed a lot since then, folks. I'm not buying this car, but I hope that you buy it out there. We do, or you even.

[Filippo]

Yeah, that's not happening.

[Doug DeMuro]

But yeah, what if they did a Reggie, like a two liter turbo.

[Kenan]

He wants a 1.5.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah.

[Filippo]

But collectively smaller.

[Doug DeMuro]

But if they gave him 1.5, what is all this? 1.5 is. My God.

[Kenan]

That's a waste.

[Doug DeMuro]

I don't need a. I don't need a whole soda bottle.

[Filippo]

Can you turn off the mirror?

[Kenan]

True Europe.

[Filippo]

Nice, Nice. I do. I'm very excited. The wagon is coming. I'm very excited. That's out. It looks great.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah, it's not out. To be clear, the Audi's design is out.

[Filippo]

The image of it is out.

[Doug DeMuro]

All right, give us the next thing. I'm pumped.

[Filippo]

Truly.

[Doug DeMuro]

All right.

[Filippo]

This is maybe the Ferrari. Lucha, we talked about the interior of the Ferrari.

[Doug DeMuro]

Lucha, I gotta be honest. I saw this 10 minutes ago. This is the ugliest.

[Filippo]

The reason that we're talking about this week is there was an interview where Johnny, I've. Who designed interior. We talked about him last week.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yep.

[Filippo]

But also his firm designed the exterior too.

[Kenan]

He's clearly proud of it.

[Filippo]

And he has said that he's a little nervous about the reveal.

[Doug DeMuro]

What did he say exactly? Was it that. Is he American?

[Kenan]

No, he's English.

[Doug DeMuro]

Is he English?

[Filippo]

Yeah, he's American though.

[Kenan]

Yeah, he's English.

[Filippo]

You know, he's English.

[Kenan]

He lived in Couvertier. Work grappled as one of the great industrial designers.

[Doug DeMuro]

But he wants to make sure that everybody knows he's Italian. English American to an Italian. The English, the Americans, the Australians, you know, he's designed.

[Filippo]

He's described in Wicked. He is a Serb, by the way. He's a knight as a British American.

[Doug DeMuro]

Well, okay. But he's. Anyway, the point is he's nervous about the design of the car.

[Filippo]

He has said that he's anxious about revealing the car to the world. It's still clearly a Ferrari, but it's a different manifestation based on some of the beliefs around simplicity and the inherent beauty of something.

[Doug DeMuro]

If it. Here's my thought. I was just reading this weekend about Michelangelo sculpting David.

[Filippo]

Sure.

[Doug DeMuro]

And he sculpted David out of a solid block of marble.

[Filippo]

Sure.

[Doug DeMuro]

Chiseled away until only David slept.

[Kenan]

That's how you made them back then.

[Doug DeMuro]

Well, but my point is, what I'm hoping is that this car. I'm hoping that this car, somewhere lurking inside this block of marble, is an attractive car.

[Kenan]

This is what Dave would look like after he finished the head. Like one arm.

[Doug DeMuro]

This is grotesque. If this is even slightly close to what it will look like, it's grotesque and terrible. Little bread van. Little bread van.

[Kenan]

For those who are listening to audio, this is a camo.

[Doug DeMuro]

You want to describe it to audio? Honestly, it probably sounds better in audio.

[Kenan]

It's a car that's built for radio.

[Filippo]

We know that he has said that it will be big, apparently, and that there's no disconnection between the interior and the exterior. It was designed altogether. And we also know that one of the great. This is from Newson, who is the co designer at Lovejoy. One of the great inserre things is that this is an electric vehicle, the first electric Ferrari. So that has afforded us a degree of freedom that we perhaps would not have otherwise had literal physical freedom and creative freedom.

[Doug DeMuro]

That's probably true. They will lose that freedom after one design. If it's bad. Italians should design cars. All great cars have been designed by Italians, including the original Audi A5 that we were just talking about moments ago. They're still using that design 20 years later. You want to know why? Because an Italian design did. Meanwhile, this looks like a Nissan Stagia updated for the 21st century. Pull up a Stagia, please.

[Filippo]

I bet it will be very, very simple in their.

[Doug DeMuro]

Did you see that picture?

[Filippo]

In their general design, I think it will be very simple and a little rounded and kind of cool. I love the Seija, by the way. Very square.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah. This is your kind of thing. But this is what this looks like. It looks like just a complete squared

[Filippo]

off which I would be into.

[Doug DeMuro]

But I don't think it's Ferrari.

[Filippo]

I don't think it's a thing.

[Doug DeMuro]

When I think Ferrari. This isn't the design language that I'm thinking of. That's why I'm hoping that lurking within this they chisel away.

[Filippo]

We saw the interior and it's very rounded, very simplistic. Great use of material. And that's probably what's gonna be true for the exterior too. I bet it will look better than you were expecting.

[Doug DeMuro]

It has to.

[Filippo]

Yep.

[Doug DeMuro]

I nonetheless fear and I'm just gonna put this fear out there. If the designer is saying that he's worried about it, by the way.

[Filippo]

No, no. He just anxious about revealing it to the world.

[Doug DeMuro]

I remember the last time a British man designed an Italian car. Pull up the Alfa Romeo sz.

[Kenan]

That's a great point.

[Filippo]

Which I love conceptually but don't love eyesight wisely.

[Kenan]

I agree.

[Doug DeMuro]

This is what happens when the Italians ask the British. It should be the other way around. The British should be asking the Italians to design. The British should also leave the engineering to someone else. They should sit out the whole process. But this is.

[Kenan]

Should build cars. Jaguar. Glad you're listening. Sit out the whole process.

[Doug DeMuro]

Look at this.

[Kenan]

That is.

[Filippo]

It will be radical.

[Kenan]

I think it's so cool though.

[Doug DeMuro]

Filippo, you agree it's gonna look terrible.

[Filippo]

It's gonna look radical.

[Doug DeMuro]

You agree? Terrible.

[Kenan]

He's too diplomatic.

[Filippo]

It's gonna be radical.

[Doug DeMuro]

He's hoping people will sell him on cars and bids but talk bad about it. People are gonna be selling them on cars and bids for 100 grand. I.

[Filippo]

Well, that's what I would. Doesn't matter.

[Kenan]

Yeah, it's a two.

[Filippo]

What do you think a poro sangua is right now?

[Doug DeMuro]

No, they're still big money.

[Kenan]

They're still big money.

[Doug DeMuro]

They're cool. Imagine they're high three.

[Filippo]

It will be. There'll be a penance.

[Kenan]

Yeah, of course. Look, every. People are going to want to pile on this car to hate it because it's an electric Ferrari and that is new and different and admittedly I like gasoline engines in my Ferraris.

[Filippo]

Yeah, you don't want four door thousand horsepower Ferraris station wagon.

[Doug DeMuro]

Let me tell you something. Not really the way to make a. The way to go electric if you're Ferrari is to come out an F40. But it's electric. Like that's how you don't lose well,

[Filippo]

no, they're going to come out with this instead.

[Doug DeMuro]

Instead.

[Kenan]

I don't know if that's true. I mean, electric supercars like Rimas prove that people didn't.

[Doug DeMuro]

So what's the diff? What's. What's the alternative? Come out with an electric station wagon that looks like the 250bre.

[Kenan]

It looked exactly like the 250 bread.

[Doug DeMuro]

But that's my point. You go heritage. This is grotesque.

[Kenan]

I think this is.

[Filippo]

They added a bunch of. It won't look like this. This is obviously a spy.

[Doug DeMuro]

Enough spy shot camos in my life.

[Filippo]

You see in the rear, though, where like changes angle dramatically. That can't.

[Doug DeMuro]

I'll tell you what scares me. This line scares the hell out of me for two reasons.

[Filippo]

Number one, he's talking about from the C pillar to the D pillar.

[Doug DeMuro]

From the. Yeah, going the whole. It's basically the belt line. And it scares me because this could be faked and just cardboard that they have on there to fool people. This is a body line. This is what the car is going to look like. Okay. And you know what? It reminds me of the Alpha Sz. Do you think this British fellow who designed this car talked to his previous British guy?

[Filippo]

Keep in mind Joe Knapp and the.

[Kenan]

He's one of the great designers.

[Filippo]

One of the great designers, but also,

[Kenan]

I don't think when the iPhone4 came out, he was like, I'm apprehensive about revealing this to the world. He just did it and was like, this is a beautiful product.

[Filippo]

It was very wrong.

[Doug DeMuro]

It's like Francis Bourgeois. I'm going to give this the benefit of the doubt.

[Filippo]

Wow. Like Francis.

[Doug DeMuro]

I'm going to wait to see it come out.

[Filippo]

Yeah, May.

[Doug DeMuro]

This line scares the hell out of me.

[Filippo]

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[Doug DeMuro]

Move on to the next news story and get this off the screen. Thank God.

[Kenan]

Scout.

[Filippo]

So good looking truck.

[Doug DeMuro]

Scout, which is a very good looking vehicle. They announced today that they're delayed.

[Filippo]

Sad.

[Doug DeMuro]

They delayed another year. They said they're delayed until 28. And they claimed, and I think we believe them, they claimed it's because they're having problems with production and all that stuff. It has nothing to do with the current EV market.

[Filippo]

Hey, the cool thing about this is that they have the range extending engine. And based on some news a few months ago that we didn't talk about, I don't think something like over half of pre orders are for the range extended version.

[Doug DeMuro]

The only question that we have is, is the range ext engine a V8?

[Filippo]

No, I think it's a three cylinder or four cylinder.

[Doug DeMuro]

Oh good. That's what I want for my full size truck with knob tires.

[Filippo]

That's not what powers it.

[Doug DeMuro]

A three cylinder.

[Filippo]

That's not what powers it. That's what charges the battery.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah, but that presumably powers it if the battery runs out.

[Filippo]

No, imagine they claimed the Volt was, but what the Volt wasn't actually.

[Doug DeMuro]

No, but the Volt did what I wanted it to.

[Filippo]

They originally claimed that it never would.

[Doug DeMuro]

The Volt by the way, named after an Italian.

[Filippo]

What?

[Kenan]

That's true.

[Doug DeMuro]

Alessandro Volta.

[Filippo]

Oh yeah, fair.

[Doug DeMuro]

He's one of your countrymen's heroes. Now I'll tell you, having looked at the original Volta certainly wasn't designed by an Italian. Probably was designed by a British and British.

[Filippo]

I'm not surprised they're delayed. Why wouldn't they be, frankly?

[Doug DeMuro]

Well, in the claiming technical issues, you agree with me that it's related to the market conditions. Right.

[Filippo]

I bet that they feel okay being delayed as a result. But they also need to put out products because they need money.

[Doug DeMuro]

Well, isn't Volkswagen backing this whole thing?

[Filippo]

Volkswagen is backing Rivian as a part of the technology team behind it, despite the fact that this will be their biggest competitor. And they built a new factory in South Carolina, right?

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah, Scout did.

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[Doug DeMuro]

My thinking is, yeah, they are building a factory in South Carolina. There's still quite a bit more to go. Says the driver, which is probably part

[Filippo]

of the delay here.

[Doug DeMuro]

The delay is related to the fact that nobody wants an electric car right now. It says there were two reasons for the delay. I'm loving this combination of technical issues and existing financial obligations. Obligations. Well, it's Volkswagen. Volkswagen has some existing financial obligations. I'm still excited for this. Are you?

[Filippo]

I am generally quite excited about it.

[Kenan]

Yeah. I'm amped. It looks cool. Cool as hell. So, yeah, they're not apprehensive about the design. They're just apprehensive about building the thing.

[Doug DeMuro]

No, these are going to be hits. This is going to be a hit if it comes out.

[Kenan]

Especially here.

[Doug DeMuro]

28 coincides with the new presidential administration. So you wonder if maybe they're thinking I legitimately.

[Filippo]

Certainly the current climate and how many they could sell right now is going to be a part of it. But it is hard to get an upstart manufacturer. Every single company has delayed their launch of the first.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah. But Scout has a lot of excitement behind it.

[Filippo]

Better than this.

[Doug DeMuro]

We've also seen Rivian have huge success with without an already known brand name.

[Filippo]

Yeah, yeah. No, they should be trying to move a little faster here. But hey, it's going to do.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah, right. Maybe. Or maybe they're just like, you know what? We have existing financial obligations. We're going to wait on this because we don't think it's going to sell. What does that mean?

[Filippo]

They're running out of money.

[Doug DeMuro]

I'll you tell tell you. Volkswagen has no money. That's what it is. Porsche's dead. Remember when Volkswagen announced they would have to lay off people for the first time in their whole history.

[Filippo]

That was a shame.

[Doug DeMuro]

Things are tough. Volkswagen. Remember, here's what happened. And this is a year government overreach. Volkswagen was making those diesel cars that were killing people with asthma, Right?

[Filippo]

Yep. That would be okay now, by the way. They should bring that back.

[Doug DeMuro]

They should. And it was going great. And then they got found out, amazingly, by people at West Virginia University. They got found out.

[Filippo]

What do you mean by amazingly? Let's pull that apart.

[Doug DeMuro]

Well, because it's cold country, dude. Dude, it's coal country. And what was the result of that? They had to go electric. And what did they do when they went electric? They came out with the ID4, which is not well of it. And that van thing, which I love and unfortunately no one else does. And so they went electric because your government made them. And now they're screwed again. There's two in a row. They got screwed every door they open. There's a brick wall behind it.

[Kenan]

Try opening a window instead.

[Doug DeMuro]

So now they have existing financial obligations.

[Filippo]

Speaking of this and ID Buzz Force Auto reveals is who we love. Has an ID Buzz and did a great kind of behind the scenes tour of the Scout. And there's a bunch of really cool interior.

[Doug DeMuro]

I've done a behind the scenes tour of the Scout.

[Filippo]

Can't answer that.

[Doug DeMuro]

All right, move on to the next one, Forest.

[Filippo]

All right. Tesla announced the other day that they have built their first cyber cab. Yeah, the first ones out of the production line yesterday. Yeah.

[Doug DeMuro]

How's it going? How's Cyber Cab going?

[Filippo]

You know, they built one. They apparently are not going to start regular production for a few months, so they built one. And also they've been running a cyber taxi around Austin that's I think based on a model Y, the Cyber Cab, Model 3. With no steering wheel and some changes.

[Doug DeMuro]

Well, no rear doors.

[Filippo]

Yeah. Which is odd for a cat. But nevertheless, their, their current taxi division has crashes that are four times the rate of normal human drivers.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah, but.

[Filippo]

Which is tough.

[Doug DeMuro]

But first off, in four times rate of normal human drivers in Austin or just in general? Because in Austin they'd be crashing into people nationally. Nationally, this is the thing. Austin, they got a much.

[Filippo]

But the other company is Waymo Zoo. Some of the others less.

[Doug DeMuro]

Is Zoox a thing? People keep telling me about Zoox and I'm like, I only know, you know, what's the one that drives around with the blue Chinese vans here?

[Filippo]

That would be way more.

[Doug DeMuro]

What is zeekr?

[Filippo]

Zeekr is a company that makes those vans.

[Doug DeMuro]

I don't understand what's going on.

[Filippo]

We can tell Zoox may or may not be around. All of these companies, except for Waymo are on the verge of bankruptcy literally any moment. And so that might change by the time you listen.

[Doug DeMuro]

If you listen. 48 hours from now, I for one am excited for the robo taxis for a lot of reasons. Lessons.

[Filippo]

Oh, yeah. Can you name two?

[Doug DeMuro]

I think they're heinous and I want more of that.

[Filippo]

Yep.

[Doug DeMuro]

And it's going to revolutionize the taxi industry. Dude, these are going to get into four times crashes.

[Filippo]

Body shops are going to be thrilled.

[Doug DeMuro]

It's going to be great. There's going to be stories coming out of it.

[Filippo]

You already think about taxi drivers as questionable.

[Doug DeMuro]

Right. I was in one today. It was like, wow, okay.

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[Doug DeMuro]

And now it's. Now it's. Now it's being driven by a robot that's four times more likely to crash.

[Filippo]

Yeah, it's tough for Tesla tech on the some of them. They were not all Tesla's fault. Tesla reveals a lot less about the crashes than the other companies do. Yeah, but from what we can tell, they're not all Tesla's fault.

[Doug DeMuro]

Right.

[Filippo]

It's just bad luck.

[Doug DeMuro]

It was just bad luck.

[Kenan]

That tree shouldn't have been standing there.

[Filippo]

Yes, they are mostly property damage related. There were two that we know of where the cyber cab backed into something though that's good. Or the cyber taxi backed up is

[Doug DeMuro]

hard happened because it.

[Filippo]

I don't have an answer.

[Doug DeMuro]

Okay, fine. I'm excited for these things. Glad that took this many people to hand build one unit.

[Kenan]

I like the art and pictures version.

[Filippo]

There's definitely the guy holding a picture of I assume their child and that's interesting.

[Doug DeMuro]

Okay, next one. The child help build it. Ooh.

[Kenan]

Audi tt. So Audi recently announced in a little press thing that went out to everybody in the company that they are going to continue to build the concept C or the C Sport, which is their EVT replacement based on the platform for the electric Cayman. Now Porsche, of course, there's a lot of questions around if they're going to that at all and it seems like they're not going to, but Audi has said no, we will make this regardless.

[Doug DeMuro]

Audi literally this week came out and said regardless of what Porsche does, we're going to do it. Which kind of is an implication that Porsche ain't going to do it. Right. Like that's the kind of them saying, you know, we don't think there's going to be a Porsche but we're going to do it.

[Kenan]

The exact quote was delivery of the platform by Porsche is not in question.

[Doug DeMuro]

I do think that Audi has a lot more cover to build it. First off, this is an electric car. In my mind, this is what electric car looks like.

[Kenan]

Yes. Agreement, street.

[Filippo]

And also they can get away with it. Nobody cares.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah. The TT doesn't have some long gas powered car history.

[Kenan]

Right. There's not a dedicated group. Well, there are for the earlier TTs, but it's not like it is for port in general.

[Filippo]

They don't. They have a little bit more to do.

[Doug DeMuro]

So they're doing it regardless.

[Kenan]

So they're gonna, they're gonna do it regardless.

[Doug DeMuro]

Incredibly cool. Yep.

[Kenan]

It's going to come out allegedly in 2027. So we'll.

[Filippo]

It looks cool.

[Doug DeMuro]

Is this the coolest looking thing you've ever seen?

[Filippo]

It's up there.

[Doug DeMuro]

I bet an Italian designed it.

[Filippo]

Probably not.

[Kenan]

Maybe. Maybe.

[Doug DeMuro]

No.

[Filippo]

Cause it's the same from the original designer.

[Kenan]

This does look like something Johnny Ayers would design. If I had to, like, put a designer to it.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah, that's exactly right. Look, this is what the Ferrari should look like.

[Kenan]

Doug's Mac.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah, look at that. Yeah. Like, simple, clean sheet, matte gray.

[Filippo]

It is in Italian for this.

[Doug DeMuro]

Of course it is.

[Kenan]

Of course it is.

[Doug DeMuro]

I'm telling you.

[Filippo]

Massimo Frasciella.

[Doug DeMuro]

Let me tell you something. The automakers know. The smart automakers know. If you want a car designed, you go to an Italian. If you want a car built, cult, go to Germany. Except for the original, which Peter shared within warranty. Yeah, that's true.

[Kenan]

Well, that's all you care about.

[Doug DeMuro]

He was a German. Right. And now he's saying, at Kia.

[Filippo]

Right.

[Doug DeMuro]

Imagine what key would be doing if they had hired an Italian.

[Kenan]

Good question, Filippo. You know, get your resume right, they

[Doug DeMuro]

would have taken over the world.

[Filippo]

They already have it anyway.

[Doug DeMuro]

I'm pumped for this.

[Kenan]

I am, too.

[Doug DeMuro]

Obviously not going to look like this in reality.

[Filippo]

I mean, it's not that far off.

[Doug DeMuro]

Well, I don't see. You need bumpers.

[Filippo]

There's a bumper.

[Doug DeMuro]

The original TT is actually the car that proved you don't need bumpers. Right. It integrated them. It was the first car to integrate.

[Filippo]

It looks very cool.

[Kenan]

It does retain the flares.

[Doug DeMuro]

I think this thing is so cool. I do think the biggest part of this news story, though, is the fact that Audi is kind of. It's another tacit admission that Porsche is not building this car. Them coming out and saying, well, we're gonna do it. We're gonna do it. They're not gonna do it. Maybe. Yeah, right. Nobody thinks the Cayman and bikestory going on electric.

[Filippo]

No.

[Doug DeMuro]

Let me ask you this.

[Filippo]

Not for a while.

[Doug DeMuro]

If a gas one comes out, would you support them by buying it? You're a Porsche man.

[Filippo]

I didn't support them by buying a 718.

[Doug DeMuro]

I know, but that gas cars weren't in jeopardy then. Now they're in jeopardy. Aren't you? Don't you think it's time to step up and say, hey, we still want gas cars?

[Filippo]

No, I'm good.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah, because you like that government overreach. Me and Kenan are gonna. We're gonna jointly buy a Boxster.

[Kenan]

I don't know.

[Filippo]

Congratulations.

[Doug DeMuro]

Thanks.

[Kenan]

I guess. I guess that's what I'm doing.

[Filippo]

If they come out with the next generation one. Because right now, you can't buy a Boxster.

[Doug DeMuro]

They will come out with a one.

[Kenan]

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[Doug DeMuro]

Okay, next news story. What do we got?

[Kenan]

Yes, this Rolls Royce has done some weird stuff. I love when Rolls Royce does a custom thing and they built this car. This is called the Rolls Royce Phantom arabesque.

[Doug DeMuro]

Sure. This is like we're getting racist. Like we're getting close. Yeah.

[Kenan]

Particularly because it was built through Rolls Royce Motor car, their private office in Dubai. So it's a little. But the big, the weird thing about it is the hood. Now the hood, they have done, they've 3D or they've etched this with lasers. So they kind of took the idea. I think it was scravito is the Italian.

[Filippo]

It doesn't seem notable to me. I'll be honest. I've seen a lot of like wood etched with lasers. Seen a lot of like metal.

[Doug DeMuro]

Higher foot in life.

[Filippo]

Yes.

[Doug DeMuro]

This is a car, dude. I've, I've seen a lot of. I've seen a lot of electric lamps in my day. Now they're coming out with electric cars. Not notable.

[Filippo]

Took a piece of metal and etched Something into it. Congratulations.

[Doug DeMuro]

This is the Phantom Arabesque, which I think, honestly is. Is.

[Filippo]

It's questionable.

[Doug DeMuro]

It's really in there. It's like that's the kind of thing that a British person would say derisively in London about a car they saw driving around. That's Arabesque.

[Kenan]

Yes, I heard arabesque.

[Filippo]

It is, for what it's worth. Also the name of the style. It's like an ornamental style. General. Yes, but like, same way as, like, Italian.

[Kenan]

You know what I mean?

[Filippo]

But I agree that's also a little iffy.

[Kenan]

So the estimated cost of this thing is 800,000.

[Doug DeMuro]

Well, the whole car. Just the hood.

[Kenan]

The whole. You get a. You buy the hood and they throw in the car for free. It's like Ferrari.

[Doug DeMuro]

I love how it looks.

[Filippo]

I think it looks cool.

[Kenan]

I don't know if we start seeing.

[Doug DeMuro]

How do you clean it? I.

[Kenan]

That is a wonderful question.

[Filippo]

It's etched. There's still metal underneath it, but.

[Kenan]

Yes.

[Doug DeMuro]

Think about what that means, though, with

[Filippo]

a really small brush.

[Doug DeMuro]

It's a lot of work.

[Kenan]

It's a lot of work.

[Doug DeMuro]

You think people that buy the wor, you. You could PPF it, but even then you're still cleaning the crevices.

[Kenan]

You couldn't because there's a gap between the two parts of the. Like, what's sunken in there is lower.

[Filippo]

Really?

[Kenan]

It would get water in there. It looked like, you know, PPF with the fish. It's like that. It's just like a lot of what you remember. There's this guy who did PPF. I think it was AI. Maybe it wasn't, but he PPF'd over like water and had koi, like, in his car. There's an Instagram video. This is.

[Filippo]

Are you thinking of. Of the show where they pimped people's cars?

[Kenan]

No, it seems like that fish take in the car.

[Filippo]

That seems.

[Kenan]

This is a thing that made the rounds on Instagram. I think it was AI. But regardless, it traps stuff in there.

[Doug DeMuro]

We are never going to see the Phantom Arabesque because of this. What a shame. Because I was hoping this would come to Cars and coffee here in san.

[Kenan]

Especially for $800,000.

[Doug DeMuro]

I don't see a lot of new Phantoms or new ghosts, you know, that's a great point.

[Kenan]

I never. I do see Kully is a lot. Yeah, I see a lot of comments.

[Filippo]

Saw Phantom two days ago pulling into a country club.

[Doug DeMuro]

A Phantom 8.

[Filippo]

The new Phantom, whatever the current.

[Kenan]

It was an 04.

[Doug DeMuro]

I was an 04. It was probably a convertible.

[Kenan]

It was probably just the.

[Doug DeMuro]

It was, it was a silver shaft. I do think that one thing that Rolls Royce should do instead of etching the hoods is come out with a smaller suv.

[Filippo]

Yeah, they shouldn't actually do that. No names for that.

[Doug DeMuro]

I don't know like their names are insane.

[Filippo]

But like why do you think they should do this?

[Doug DeMuro]

Because the Ghost was like sold like 8x. The Phantom, it was a smaller sedan. But nobody wants sedans anymore. They got an SUV that's doing pretty well. Come out with a smaller suv. Suv.

[Filippo]

The Ghost is presumably the length of a suv smaller.

[Doug DeMuro]

It doesn't necessarily. I'm just less like a Range Rover Sport. You're. You're astonished that I've come up with this idea that nobody's ever thought that was a good idea. How about the Range Rover? The Range Rover Sport. Those two sell.

[Filippo]

Do you think that the brand wants to move down market?

[Doug DeMuro]

I think that when you. What do you mean they did it with the Ghost. Ghost?

[Kenan]

Yeah. This has been done already and it was successful.

[Filippo]

It's not like the Ghost was competing with the sea clown class.

[Doug DeMuro]

I didn't say should come out with a glc. I just said they come out with a smaller suv.

[Filippo]

Like a GL sized.

[Doug DeMuro]

No dude, this is obvious.

[Filippo]

The colon is like GLS size.

[Doug DeMuro]

The colon in though is $500,000.

[Kenan]

Come up with the X7 is the base.

[Filippo]

They're selling enough of them.

[Kenan]

They have the X5 that exists for the base for this thing. They should do this.

[Doug DeMuro]

Come on with one for 350 and

[Kenan]

then etch all the hoods.

[Filippo]

Isn't the Ghost still based on the 7 series? Yeah it is.

[Doug DeMuro]

So come. So I would basically what?

[Filippo]

Please Rollsroy come out with a 5 series science to and then an X5 size.

[Doug DeMuro]

No, I didn't say you're insane. This is an insane thing. I'm saying just do what they did with the Ghost in the SUV realm. They did.

[Filippo]

They should come out with a larger suv. No, no.

[Doug DeMuro]

The Cullinan is Phantom priced.

[Filippo]

It's like crazy but it's more size wise. Is Ghost size?

[Doug DeMuro]

Well okay, I'm talking about down market. A little like the Continental Flying Spur. Do you remember when they had the

[Filippo]

Arnaz Royce loves as a term. Let's go down market. Do you know, do you remember when

[Doug DeMuro]

they had the Aragorn? Do you remember when Bentley had the arnage and it was 300 grand and then they came out with the Flying Spur which was the same size 175 grand. Do you remember this? No.

[Filippo]

I don't care, but sure, keep going.

[Doug DeMuro]

Let me. I'm going to clue you on what happened. It was the greatest success story in the history of Bentley. Yeah. Going back 100 years to when the Bentley boys had cars with wheels bigger than the car itself.

[Filippo]

Here's a fun fact. The Ghost is larger, longer than a Cullinan.

[Doug DeMuro]

All right, we're moving on.

[Kenan]

Oh, man.

[Doug DeMuro]

We have any more news?

[Kenan]

No, that's the end of the. God.

[Doug DeMuro]

We gotta move on to the talk car segment. The talk car segment is brought to you by Ryan Lopez air conditioning, which still still doesn't work. What?

[Filippo]

I don't know.

[Doug DeMuro]

Filippo, tell us about the pickup.

[Filippo]

Yeah, the. The pickup, the F250 that we inherited got picked up by Dave, who I mentioned last week, who's been phenomenal.

[Doug DeMuro]

Filippo inherited a 70s F200 1972. Didn't run. I thought it was never gonna run.

[Filippo]

It is currently running. I got a video yesterday from. From Dave that says your truck is an absolute champ.

[Doug DeMuro]

They.

[Filippo]

They did. They flushed out the fuel tank.

[Doug DeMuro]

Tanks.

[Filippo]

They got some fresh gas. They unstuck the float bowl and the carb and it runs. There's some things that still need to happen, but.

[Doug DeMuro]

EV conversion?

[Filippo]

No, but it runs like there's. It still has some needs. Actually, Dave just texted me during.

[Doug DeMuro]

How old are the tires?

[Filippo]

The tires are going to be a problem. I have to look for new tires. They're old. They don't have date codes.

[Doug DeMuro]

Well, when you say. Yeah. What do date codes be?

[Kenan]

The pre exist date. The pre exist time itself.

[Filippo]

They're older and they've been in the sun.

[Doug DeMuro]

The tires are two years old. The date codes are on the inside of it. Doesn't matter.

[Kenan]

100%.

[Filippo]

Yeah, based on the amount of dry rot.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah, obviously. But they're not going to be a problem. What's a couple tires?

[Filippo]

Yeah, it won't be a problem. I just got to find them. But it's otherwise close to running. Dave actually just texted me saying that it looks really great. It needs a few things, but may

[Doug DeMuro]

I suggest a resto mod?

[Filippo]

No.

[Doug DeMuro]

May I suggest an electric swap?

[Filippo]

No.

[Doug DeMuro]

May I suggest.

[Filippo]

It's going to look exactly the way it looks right now, which is beautifully patinaed.

[Doug DeMuro]

I cannot picture that is.

[Filippo]

But then my wife and I. My wife who is a very meticulous person.

[Doug DeMuro]

You have a picture?

[Kenan]

He does.

[Doug DeMuro]

I've never seen it. Let me see it.

[Filippo]

You never seen a truck? I've sent you pictures of the truck.

[Doug DeMuro]

Oh my God.

[Filippo]

It's beautifully patinaed.

[Doug DeMuro]

You're gonna leave the American flag license plate on the front.

[Filippo]

We gotta put a California plate.

[Doug DeMuro]

Oh, of course. The government's gotta reach right in.

[Filippo]

I run plates on my cars. Yeah.

[Kenan]

Reach in and caress Filipo's hair.

[Filippo]

The interior needs some help, but my wife is very excited to get it all cleaned up and we'll replace walls.

[Kenan]

Cleaned.

[Doug DeMuro]

Cleaned up. Drive it around.

[Kenan]

Better known as reupholstered.

[Filippo]

Yeah. There's like a seat cover that's been there since the 80s.

[Doug DeMuro]

Why don't you put in like a recliner?

[Filippo]

Oh, like a Lazy Boy. Like, I don't think that that car is really made for that. The front seat does move forward and back, thankfully.

[Kenan]

Good. Does it?

[Filippo]

They don't.

[Kenan]

Does it move forward back when you want it to?

[Filippo]

Yeah, yeah. It's.

[Doug DeMuro]

It's a.

[Filippo]

But it's like it's going to. I just.

[Kenan]

What are you going to do with.

[Doug DeMuro]

Drive it. Drive it. Dude. It's going to be. Be here.

[Filippo]

I will drive to the office regularly.

[Doug DeMuro]

Sure.

[Kenan]

Like hell. It's going to be inside of here. That thing parks outside.

[Filippo]

No, that thing's not. I park my cars outside as is. Period.

[Doug DeMuro]

I'm pumped.

[Filippo]

It's going to live on my street. My neighbors might be annoyed by it, but it looks cool.

[Doug DeMuro]

One of your neighbors has a super duty.

[Filippo]

One of my neighbors sometimes has a dually lifted F2.

[Doug DeMuro]

I was at your side.

[Filippo]

Everybody parks along. It's a cul de sac. Everybody parks along the sidewalk. He just parks perpendicular to it.

[Doug DeMuro]

I was at your house the other day. A couple of your neighbors. One of your neighbors has Florida plates, and so they'll. They'll be okay with your truck too.

[Kenan]

So you got two.

[Filippo]

They will.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah. Well, I'm pumped, Filippo, and I can't. When is this coming here?

[Filippo]

I don't know, but I gotta call Dave after this. Shout out to Dave, who's been legitimately awesome.

[Doug DeMuro]

Do we have, like, an Instagram handle for Dave or anything? Do we have a name?

[Filippo]

Iconic automotive in.

[Doug DeMuro]

Iconic automotive in Prescott.

[Filippo]

Yep. Shout out to Dave, who's been legitimately awesome.

[Doug DeMuro]

I can't.

[Filippo]

I'm excited. I'm legitimately, like. I'm glad that it's running. It needs some time timing to. To be set.

[Kenan]

It needs some things, but needs some timing.

[Filippo]

Well, you replace. You gotta get.

[Kenan]

Yeah, I know, but that's pretty easy.

[Doug DeMuro]

Apparently Dave's got this iconic automotive over there in Prescott. Folks, if you're in Prescott, this is on Commerce Drive. Yep. Over in Prescott. If you're out there. Go check on Filippo's truck, for God's sake. Okay, let's move on. But I'm excited.

[Kenan]

Buy Dave a hot dog

[Filippo]

from that place down in Phoenix.

[Doug DeMuro]

I want to talk about. Since we're talking about Ford trucks, I'd like to talk about the Hennessey Ranger. Can you pull up the Hennessey Ranger? We sold it this week. Have you seen. Did you see this?

[Filippo]

No.

[Doug DeMuro]

Okay, type in Ranger.

[Filippo]

I've been out of the office.

[Doug DeMuro]

This truck exists.

[Filippo]

Oh, first gen US Ranger.

[Doug DeMuro]

So little known fact about Doug, I love the first gen Ranger. And by first gen I mean 2018.

[Filippo]

But like it's gone for a bit.

[Doug DeMuro]

It's gone for like 15 years. It. I didn't know that. I always loved it because it was. It's got a great power. Hennessey did a Hennessey of it. You can get. They didn't do a Raptor. This Ranger Hennessey did it. This has 370 horsepower.

[Filippo]

That's way too much power.

[Doug DeMuro]

And 450 pound feet, that's way too much power. This is like exactly what I've always wanted in life. I don't want those wheels, which. Those wheels are that government overreach Hennessy. Let me tell you. Come and take it.

[Filippo]

Hennessy apparently makes fake Beadlock wheels.

[Doug DeMuro]

Dude. Fake Beadlock. This is every single off road vehicle right now. You're not going to fault Hennessey for this. I am obsessed with this truck. I didn't know it existed. I thought Hennessy was only concerning himself with the big stuff like the Raptors. I want one of these. This is exactly the truck I want the right size, the right power. It's sold for 38 GS. Kenan, should we buy one of these? I don't know.

[Kenan]

I'm evidently I'm getting a new Cayman when it comes out.

[Doug DeMuro]

You got Boxer. You got to buy them used though because they. Now there's a Raptor of this right for 38.

[Kenan]

That is the next gen. That's pretty cool.

[Doug DeMuro]

For 30. I really want this. I had no idea this truck existed. Did you know it existed? No.

[Filippo]

Oh, that's very cool. Can I share some of the cars?

[Doug DeMuro]

That's the time I could have been driving around on a Ranger Velociraptor. I love this truck.

[Filippo]

We've apparently auctioned 45 Hennessy vehicles. Oh, they include that Ranger, a Corvette, a Challenger, a camaro of an F150. They do everything a range.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah, but you know what they don't A trx organize it by year. Can we do by year? Dolo mileage.

[Kenan]

Okay, that'll work.

[Doug DeMuro]

You know what they don't do anymore? Guess what is. What is the common denominator of all

[Filippo]

of the reasons they're no longer the Ford, like certified people.

[Doug DeMuro]

Right. They only do Ford.

[Filippo]

They only do four now.

[Doug DeMuro]

They only do Ford.

[Kenan]

I thought they stopped that partnership from 21.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah, there's a Chevy.

[Filippo]

Chevy.

[Doug DeMuro]

But like, look at all the new cars. They're basically all Ford, Ford, gmc. They told me when I went there that the newer Chrysler and GM cars are mainly like locked out for them, like electronically.

[Filippo]

Interesting.

[Doug DeMuro]

And so they primarily are doing Ford.

[Filippo]

We do have a Lincoln Navigator Hennessy there and a Dodge Durango SRT Hellcat Hennessy HPE1000.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah. There's clearly a few of the newer GMs and stuff, but not anything. Not like brand new and very few of them. It's almost all Fords.

[Filippo]

Hey, how much horsepower do you think the Hennessy HP HP 1000 Durango makes? 1,075.

[Kenan]

813.

[Doug DeMuro]

Well, a TH000 is maybe new meters.

[Filippo]

We don't know.

[Doug DeMuro]

Dude, I want that Ranger Raptor velociraptor so bad. I had no idea that existed. So cool. You don't think this is cool? That's cool. Why don't you. Let's pick one up together.

[Filippo]

I'm good.

[Doug DeMuro]

Okay. Don't. Wouldn't you rather have this than that Ford truck you're getting? No. Filippo, I'm excited about this. Has airbags.

[Filippo]

Well, I. I am worried about driving the truck around. My wife and I have had a lot of conversations about what will feel reasonably safe and what won't.

[Doug DeMuro]

Can I ask you a question? And I. I mean this with all the sincerity in my heart and I want a sincere answer because I'm being. I'm asking it gently. Are you going to drive it around with a piece of straw in your mouth? Mouth dangling from.

[Filippo]

Yeah. Every time I leave my house, I'm going to pick up a piece of grass, long grass from my yard, which is desert landscape. So that'll be hard. We'll see what I can do.

[Kenan]

I've driven your cars a number of occasions and every time I've gotten into it, there's grass in it and it's tuned to country. You're almost there.

[Filippo]

Nothing wrong with that.

[Kenan]

Almost there.

[Doug DeMuro]

That's right there. Nothing wrong with that.

[Kenan]

I ain't saying there.

[Doug DeMuro]

I love a little country. And I was listening the other day to SiriusXM this is car related. And you know, the country stations are up in the 50s.

[Filippo]

I know. They're so hard to get to.

[Doug DeMuro]

They screw you.

[Filippo]

It's really annoying.

[Doug DeMuro]

You got to go through like blues come on.

[Filippo]

Inexplicably, in the 911, SiriusXM is enabled for another month. For some reason they. They learn who has a vehicle that's transacted and they like re enable it.

[Doug DeMuro]

Oh, really?

[Filippo]

Yeah. And so I've been listening to it. Country is so hard to get to.

[Doug DeMuro]

It's so.

[Kenan]

You know, my Mercedes had gotten a letter from XM when I bought it because it has serious equipment.

[Doug DeMuro]

Did you put in? Did you let it? Did you let it happen?

[Kenan]

I decided not.

[Doug DeMuro]

It's good stuff, dude.

[Kenan]

Ariana Grande watercolors. Love watercolors.

[Filippo]

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[Doug DeMuro]

Okay, Kenan, you are doing SL65 things. Speaking of.

[Kenan]

Yes. I've got a bunch of videos that are coming out relatively soon. So.

[Filippo]

Kenan Rolson YouTube channel.

[Kenan]

That's right. It's yes, just my name. K E N N A N. I'll pop up.

[Doug DeMuro]

Go to the Kenan YouTube channel. Watch the videos.

[Kenan]

Thank you.

[Filippo]

Yes.

[Kenan]

This week I have one coming out of car spotting. My friend Kevin and I took a car spotting in La Jolla which, you know, really used all 604 horsepower to do 10. Yeah.

[Doug DeMuro]

Discovered by the way. 738 pound feet of torque. Do you know why?

[Kenan]

Because it's twice the Ethereum NM5.

[Doug DeMuro]

It's a thousand newton meters.

[Kenan]

Oh, yeah, that makes sense because I was.

[Doug DeMuro]

I got. I went down a Q7 V12 rabbit hole and it also has seven 38 pound feet of torque. And I was like, what a coincidence.

[Kenan]

Thousand newton meters makes sense. It's a lot, but I've got that coming. Nick and I are going to go drag racing soon to see who is faster.

[Filippo]

What if he's not? He won't.

[Doug DeMuro]

He's.

[Kenan]

I am so afraid. I'm so worried because Nick is so competitive.

[Doug DeMuro]

He's gonna fit.

[Kenan]

He's just gonna get really aggressive with it.

[Doug DeMuro]

And like, you know, I've had a great experience. It doesn't even matter which is faster. I've had a great experience with this car.

[Kenan]

Right, exactly. He's not gonna be concerned that his cost ten times as much as mine.

[Filippo]

And SLR is coming soon. No cars and beds.

[Doug DeMuro]

Don't worry.

[Kenan]

Yeah.

[Doug DeMuro]

I've been trying to get him out of it.

[Kenan]

Yeah. So. And then he and I are gonna switch cars to compare. Like, drive a little bit. Because I'm very curious. The SLR is like. He's very curious what the 65 is like. They're very, very different. Different cars. So we've got some good stuff. Come. They. They are. One's got V12 and one supercharged V8.

[Doug DeMuro]

I hate to say. To say it honestly, I've. I have driven both of them. Have. Have you driven his?

[Kenan]

I have not yet driven his slr.

[Doug DeMuro]

I've not driven them both. The SLR feels a lot more special. Your car is amazing. It's super cool, of course, but the slr, everything is bespoke and.

[Kenan]

Well, not everything.

[Doug DeMuro]

Well, like the doors go up in this crazy way and the controls for all this stuff is just bizarre. Well, you got door controls on the bottom and the door handle is mounted in the door sill.

[Kenan]

And I have that.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah. So his under a thing.

[Kenan]

His is under a cage.

[Filippo]

Yeah, that's different.

[Kenan]

Mine's uncaged.

[Doug DeMuro]

I think the SLR that doesn't matter is so.

[Kenan]

Oh, no, I. Look, I agree. And I'm. I'm mostly curious to see how much more athletic it feels because, like, that's what I would imagine. The SL, the reason they gave it a supercharged V8 was so. It was more immediate in its acceleration. The SL65 just goes and then you're off. But you do have some lag.

[Doug DeMuro]

It does feel Like a little bit.

[Kenan]

But nonetheless for 10 times the cost. I am curious about what it feels like. That's not what they cost new but what they cost now. So I'm.

[Filippo]

I'm.

[Kenan]

I'm excited to play with that car. And then I've got a couple things. I let a bunch of my friends drive. Not you because you're going to do a video on it eventually and you weren't around.

[Filippo]

Believable.

[Kenan]

I let a bunch of my friends drive the SL65. Some car people, some not.

[Filippo]

Did anybody crash?

[Kenan]

You'll have to watch to find out. But.

[Doug DeMuro]

But this is all leading up to

[Kenan]

what it's all leading up to. I have decided that I am going to be selling the car itself. I'm just like. The thing with the SL65 is I love the motor. The engine is a masterpiece. But the rest of the car is very good. It's just compared to my other car which is very refined and I use every day. It's not enough of a contrasting experience.

[Filippo]

Yeah. It's also in a very refined.

[Kenan]

A very refined, easy to use car. Yeah. But the thing with the SL65 is the M275 V12 is a masterpiece. And when you get on the highway it's incredible. But it get to legal speeds really fast and to enjoy it you have to go very quickly with it.

[Doug DeMuro]

Can I make a suggestion? If you want a different experience on the cars and bids there SLC 3, we have Lincoln Continental 1960. I don't think it's live yet but it will be when this is up. That the queen wrote in.

[Filippo]

What?

[Doug DeMuro]

Wow.

[Kenan]

So anyway, I am already considering like replacements for the car but I'm going to take my time and see what comes up. But I have loved the experience with it. It'll be. It goes sometime in March I think is when we're probably going to sell it. I've had pictures taken already and Stu. But it is. I love the car. It's just like. It's just. I want something more fuzzy and fizzy. And we were talking with Ryan Lopez today about like S2000. Something that's like really engaging. Which the S65 just is not. That's not its nature.

[Filippo]

Make a recommendation. We have an Arcimoto Deliverator live right now. Please pull that up for us.

[Doug DeMuro]

Do you know what this was before?

[Filippo]

No. All right. It's a deliberator.

[Kenan]

Well, that is more visceral.

[Doug DeMuro]

So we have.

[Filippo]

It's got three wheels.

[Doug DeMuro]

We have sold these.

[Filippo]

That's different.

[Doug DeMuro]

In open. Open passenger configuration. Form before and apparently there's a delivery version.

[Kenan]

Wow.

[Doug DeMuro]

There's a wagon that. They called it the delivery. I want to talk. Since we're talking cars, I do want to talk about the Q7 V12 TDI brief.

[Filippo]

Yeah, please.

[Doug DeMuro]

Do you know about this car?

[Filippo]

Of course.

[Doug DeMuro]

Can you pull up a picture? We've never sold one. The Audi Q here yet. Right. What's that?

[Filippo]

They're not legal here yet.

[Doug DeMuro]

Well, no, sorta. Sorta. I'm gonna explain that. V12. There you go.

[Kenan]

Yeah, yeah, I know of this car.

[Doug DeMuro]

So here's what happens happen. Audi came out with this car and if you, if you look at any of the pictures, you know how you tell it apart? It's got a massive front end. Yeah. This. This has been heavily enlarged, like to almost comical degree. The. The press photo, it doesn't seem quite as comical, but I'm telling you, I was looking at like. It's big, it's like silly.

[Filippo]

Right.

[Doug DeMuro]

Well, it turns out this is dead. I'm dead serious. It turns out that they offered this exterior package called V12 Optics Optic for all the diesel Q7.

[Kenan]

Really?

[Doug DeMuro]

Really. So you can get the look like exactly the same with V12 Optic. Really? So it's on mobile.de a competitive site. I don't know if they're competitive. Nope, Nope.

[Filippo]

Okay. They're in Europe.

[Doug DeMuro]

They're good. You're good. Mobile. I was on mobile and I typed in Q7 V12. Well, 12 cars come up. Or 18. 12 of them. Of the 18 are six cylinders. And V12 comes up in the search string because it has the V12 optic body kit. But here's the. The thing, they're all debadged, even the V12s. The Europeans debadge mostly. And so there's no way to know.

[Kenan]

Well, you just. Wow, that is fascinating.

[Doug DeMuro]

The greatest diesel car of all time.

[Filippo]

It's up there for sure.

[Kenan]

I can't believe they did a V12 diesel. That's just insane.

[Doug DeMuro]

There was a thought in this period that diesel was going to be the future and if you were going to be into performance cars, you had to figure out how to make diesel. So there was like a BMW 330D and a 335D.

[Kenan]

335D is awesome.

[Doug DeMuro]

And there was this. And remember they did like the M550D and the M X5 M50D.

[Kenan]

Chris Harris's video on that many years ago. Yeah.

[Doug DeMuro]

And the diesel cars ran at la and then they started killing people with asthma. So that had to stop.

[Filippo]

Can I just say the regular, like S line package looks pretty similar.

[Doug DeMuro]

No, this. This opening. I'm going to tell you something. I saw one of these.

[Filippo]

Look up the ones we sold.

[Doug DeMuro]

I saw one of these on the

[Filippo]

streets of Prague, just Q7.

[Doug DeMuro]

It was the greatest day of my life.

[Filippo]

I wanted one.

[Doug DeMuro]

I saw one.

[Kenan]

I.

[Filippo]

An optical rifle.

[Doug DeMuro]

No, it had the V12 TD in the back. Although that's what I would do if I had a. An optic.

[Kenan]

Rip that off. This one's 10.

[Filippo]

Maybe go to the 2014 one. That didn't sell.

[Doug DeMuro]

No, dude, this is. It's not even close. I mean, like.

[Kenan]

No, I'm telling you, it's Filippo.

[Doug DeMuro]

Like genuinely even close. Go back. Look. Look at this.

[Filippo]

No, I know it's quite larger, but they just broke it up.

[Doug DeMuro]

Listen, I'm going to just put it this way. Me and Kenan, who understand automotive subtleties. This isn't similar to you. I get it now. Do you want to import one of these?

[Filippo]

No.

[Doug DeMuro]

A little?

[Filippo]

No, not even a little.

[Doug DeMuro]

It's a. It's a diesel. You like this stuff?

[Filippo]

I don't need more power.

[Doug DeMuro]

V12 diesel.

[Kenan]

This might be one car we can actually all agree on. I like V12s. You like diesels. You've had an Audi RS2.

[Doug DeMuro]

I would get. I would get one of these. It terrifies me. They have some miles on them. Like there are 200, 000 miles.

[Filippo]

I don't think they're that problematic.

[Kenan]

This is very. I've some other YouTuber mentioned this car recently. This is so cool.

[Doug DeMuro]

Cool. I think about them all the time. Yes. I saw one randomly in Prague and it changed my life. I literally freaked out. Like, I just seen an XJ 220.

[Filippo]

I would have. 100%.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah.

[Filippo]

Never seen.

[Doug DeMuro]

Can't believe it happened. Okay, we have any more talk cars?

[Kenan]

Yes. I'm not going to be here next week. I was gone last week because I was skiing with my dad in Wyoming.

[Doug DeMuro]

Wyoming.

[Kenan]

I will be at Mota Miami this upcoming week, which I'm very excited about. I've gone to Amelia island every year for the last nine years and this time I want to try something different. So my friends and I are going to Moda, which will be very interesting. So if you see me around, come up and say hello.

[Doug DeMuro]

Come up and say hi to Kenan and ask. Ask him about his SL65.

[Kenan]

Yep.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yep.

[Kenan]

You're welcome to ask me about that or any other car for that matter,

[Doug DeMuro]

but what about the Q7 V12 TDI?

[Kenan]

Oh, I've got A lot of thoughts about that. I would. Absolutely. That's a serious car. Or the V12 optic package, as it turns out.

[Doug DeMuro]

Optic. With a K, by the way.

[Kenan]

I would expect with a Cadillac, but

[Doug DeMuro]

that's with a Q. Oh, yeah.

[Kenan]

Yes. I'm excited. I'm going doing car spotting.

[Doug DeMuro]

Beer.

[Kenan]

I'm going to go out in a Rolls Royce corn niche with my friend Gail. It's a friend of mine, Daniel, who has a bunch of cool cars. He's the guy who bought that. You remember the Diablo that fell off the truck?

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah.

[Kenan]

He owns that car.

[Doug DeMuro]

He bought it post for pre.

[Kenan]

Post, I believe. But it's been under huge restoration and all those things. So he's listening. So shout out to him. I owe him an Old Fashioned when I see him.

[Doug DeMuro]

You know that happened in Iowa.

[Kenan]

Yeah.

[Doug DeMuro]

Or Nebraska.

[Kenan]

Something like.

[Doug DeMuro]

Like, what do you do? You're in Iowa and you're. You're.

[Kenan]

Well, they put it back, came over. There are pictures of it. Like they had to get a forklift to go, then lift it back up.

[Filippo]

Even then they had one of those, though, so that's good.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah, it is. Well, I'm excited for you. Thank you.

[Kenan]

Good cars. I'll probably see John Tamarion. I'd imagine I'll see the real guy

[Doug DeMuro]

or a Lamborghini John Tamarion. Both.

[Filippo]

Yeah, both.

[Kenan]

If I can get a picture of him with it, it'd be like getting Balboni with a Balboni edition. I really want that picture.

[Doug DeMuro]

Get all four of them together. Temarian is with a Temerian and Balboni is with a Balbon.

[Filippo]

Perfect.

[Kenan]

Yeah, I'm. I'm excited to go. New show.

[Doug DeMuro]

It'll be.

[Kenan]

It'll be fun. And I've actually never been to Miami. I've never, like, hung out Miami, so it's great.

[Doug DeMuro]

And there's a lot of crazy cars.

[Kenan]

Yeah.

[Doug DeMuro]

You got something cool. You should see Miami. Well, the corn is pretty good.

[Kenan]

We did look around at Turo. There's some interesting stuff. We have an X7 for most of the guys. I'm going with, like, eight people, which.

[Doug DeMuro]

Oh, you need a big. You need a big, good car. May I make a suggestion?

[Kenan]

Well, if that don't hurt the screen. Oh, my God.

[Filippo]

Jeez.

[Kenan]

Oh, that's terrifying.

[Doug DeMuro]

Aren't screens, like, cheap now? I haven't bought a TV in, like, 30 years.

[Kenan]

30 years. You're still.

[Doug DeMuro]

You've still don't watch a huge box. All right, we got to move on to the market report. The market report is brought to you by Cars and bids folks. It's not just the cars. It's the bids.

[Filippo]

It's the bids and the ampersand.

[Doug DeMuro]

That's what makes it so special. Can you pull up this Jeff Koons eight series?

[Filippo]

We did a great video on the carbon dioxide.

[Doug DeMuro]

I want to talk about this for a second. I love this thing.

[Kenan]

I've seen it. I've seen it in person.

[Doug DeMuro]

I love it. And he's seen it and that's all he's willing to say. I truly love. I have also seen it in person. I think it's cool. I, I. You don't like it?

[Filippo]

I don't have a strong feeling about it.

[Doug DeMuro]

Really?

[Kenan]

Jeff K. This doesn't give you strong feelings of any kind?

[Filippo]

No.

[Kenan]

Well I always have. It's belongs to the Kennett collection. They have an un unbelievable collection of cars. This is definitely the most colorful.

[Doug DeMuro]

So cool.

[Filippo]

Jeff.

[Doug DeMuro]

KMW has an art car tradition.

[Kenan]

No, no.

[Filippo]

I, I'm, I'm into it.

[Doug DeMuro]

What are you into? What, what excites you? You don't get excited by anything. What?

[Filippo]

Renault Twingo. The multiple. I'm really sad I didn't talk more about the multiple.

[Doug DeMuro]

I'm sad that you bought Positively. You know I think the 997 is another example of you trying to buy a car that people like.

[Filippo]

I love the 9 7.

[Doug DeMuro]

But you love my car. You like the weird stuff.

[Filippo]

I love the my car.

[Doug DeMuro]

What would you get if left unfettered? We already had a multiply.

[Filippo]

I don't feel like I have been fettered. I, I buy the things I want. I would you you texted me the other day, we're like hey, why don't you own a Saab?

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah.

[Filippo]

And that's a good question.

[Kenan]

Yeah, my friend and I, Kevin were going, we were going through Facebook marketplace recently. Some cool sobs come. I was like I could really shake it down.

[Doug DeMuro]

Why do you have a 9000 arrow?

[Filippo]

Cuz I, I been more of a 900 kind of guy.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah but the 9000 arrow, that was the dream SOP.

[Filippo]

A 900 SVG would be cool.

[Doug DeMuro]

The 9000 arrow is the Ethereum 9M5 at the SAAB World.

[Filippo]

Do I own an Ether 9 5?

[Doug DeMuro]

Well but we all agree that it's an amazing car. Yeah, it's God, yeah.

[Filippo]

I should own a Saab 900. I legitimately love my 997 and this is cool and I'm excited to watch a video. I haven't yet but on the cars

[Doug DeMuro]

and Bids channel there's a video about it on the cars and Bids channel. And it's very. It's a very good video about what I consider to be a very special car. And it's got a spider man interior, which you will be never have.

[Filippo]

That is so.

[Kenan]

Oh, I forgot about this.

[Doug DeMuro]

It's not just spider man. The seats are spider man. But other panels are different colors.

[Filippo]

Other panels.

[Doug DeMuro]

Normally I legit think it's cool. I would love to have one. It's very expensive. I would get one if it were affordable and I would drive it. A market report. I want to discuss the 599Y.

[Kenan]

Yeah.

[Doug DeMuro]

You see this 599 sale?

[Kenan]

Yep.

[Doug DeMuro]

We've been talking on this pod and I don't think we've actually talked in the pod about it. Thank God we've. We've kept it under wraps. The 599s are bar organs. They've been selling for 120 grand.

[Kenan]

Yep.

[Doug DeMuro]

Well, that's over. This was a. This was. How many miles were on this one?

[Kenan]

I think it was a lot.

[Doug DeMuro]

This was a model car with 30,000 miles. So you would expect this to be kind of at the lower end. It actually got a lot of bidding and it sold for 152,000, which makes me nervous. I was thinking 599s would sit at 100, 120 forever and I could just pick one up willy nilly.

[Kenan]

Totally. It makes the one I drove in New Orleans belong to Chris Carbine. This car, like at 111, even with a salvage title, I figured that was kind of bottom of the market. But I mean, it's clear that there's a trend that is going this way. Even with ones with manual conversions, it's like days your cheap 599s might be over.

[Doug DeMuro]

What are you gonna do? You're getting squeezed here.

[Filippo]

I've never had an interest in a 599.

[Kenan]

He's getting squeezed.

[Doug DeMuro]

I do think 599s have been way too cheap for way too long. And I'm not surprised to see price coming up. Ultimately, this car is offers. It's beautiful. It offers like incredible power and performance.

[Kenan]

Enzo V12, like every 599 owner will tell you, Enzo V12. Although every V12 Ferrari since the Enzo, with the exception of the 575 and 612, have all had.

[Doug DeMuro]

612 has a different motor than the 595.

[Filippo]

I didn't know that there were two

[Doug DeMuro]

6L V12 Ferraris made at the same time with different 6L V12s.

[Filippo]

Why?

[Doug DeMuro]

It's like when Ford had a 3 liter pushrod V6 and a 3 liter dual over at Cam. V6.

[Kenan]

Really different V12s. Chain driven versus belts. I mean it was a whole thing.

[Filippo]

Next.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah. No, four seater. Four is never going to go up.

[Kenan]

They're really easy to change though because the engine doesn't come out for them. They're right there on the front.

[Doug DeMuro]

It's pretty easy. So look, I could do it. You and me could do it. Long weekend with a.

[Kenan]

Legitimately. You and I.

[Doug DeMuro]

With one of those tensioner tools.

[Kenan]

Yeah, I've got one. You and I could.

[Doug DeMuro]

We could do that. Boom.

[Filippo]

Buy a 612 and do it.

[Doug DeMuro]

I want a 612. Pull up 612.

[Filippo]

I love 612s values.

[Doug DeMuro]

I've been thinking more and more about 600. You see.

[Kenan]

Valueless.

[Filippo]

No, they're quite value values.

[Doug DeMuro]

I mean how. How unreliable is this car really? What's gonna. Where is this gonna come back to me?

[Kenan]

Such a suspension probably. I would imagine the transmissions are serviceable in these cars.

[Doug DeMuro]

I would do a stick swap.

[Kenan]

Even better. I don't know. It really hurts you. It's just as long as you like what you're okay with the way it looks. Which I personally am. I think they're very elegant cars.

[Doug DeMuro]

It's pretty cool. Yeah.

[Kenan]

And they're comfortable. You can legit. You can fit actual people in them. Yeah. Look at that. That's just. That's a long.

[Doug DeMuro]

Why don't I have this car for 80? I put it on this 993. It cost four times as much. This is what I want.

[Kenan]

Two times in my garage. Probably that's the. No. We measured it for yours once out of curiosity. It was like a foot.

[Filippo]

My garage is incredibly short.

[Doug DeMuro]

But I got problems too because my desk is there and I got that couch there for some reason. There's a couch in my garage.

[Filippo]

I think it must fit, right.

[Kenan]

I think it could fit.

[Doug DeMuro]

We got to figure that out.

[Kenan]

Let me ask you something.

[Doug DeMuro]

Something.

[Kenan]

Why does buying glasses always feel like applying for a mortgage? Seriously. You walk in, everything looks outdated. The pricing makes zero sense. And somehow you feel like you need a spreadsheet just to figure out what you're paying for. If you wear glasses like I do, you know exactly what I'm talking about. And even if you don't, I've had enough friends complain about it for years. That's why I'm obsessed with Warby Parker. They completely changed. Change the experience. Their virtual try on is actually insane. You just point your phone camera at your face and you can see what the frames look like on you in real time. Not the janky kind either. You can genuinely tell how they'll fit and look. And even producer Sean is loving his Warby Parker glasses. Look at him rocking those wonderful fitting frames on his big head. Clean frames, great color, premium feel. And he keeps getting compliments on them. You can tell they're not flimsy. They feel like legit, like Sean is. Prescription glasses start at 95 bucks. They've got contacts, eye exams, sunglasses all in one place. Plus over 300 retail stores if you want to go in person. And for every pair they sell, they'll give a pair to someone in need, which is really awesome. Warby Parker gives you quality and better looking prescription eyewear at a fraction of the going price. Our listeners get 15% off plus free shipping when you buy two or more pairs of prescription glasses at warbyparker.com cars that's 15 off when you buy two pairs at W-A-R-By parker.com cars after purchase, they'll ask you where you heard about them. Please support this car pod and tell them that we sent you.

[Doug DeMuro]

You want to talk about Farah's Vanquish?

[Kenan]

Yeah. So far is selling a Vanquish with us, which I think is one. It's not his Vanquish. To be clear. His dad had one that Ralph Lauren.

[Doug DeMuro]

Oh yeah.

[Kenan]

And then man, he did the man. It's not that one. It's one for one of his clients. And I think we al. There's also one here in the office. I think it is one of the most beautiful cars of all time.

[Doug DeMuro]

So it was like hit and rebuilt or something.

[Kenan]

Something along those lines. I'm not exactly.

[Doug DeMuro]

What is its color? It's a Ferrari.

[Kenan]

Ferrari color Grigio. Thank you, Filippo. As a sort of local Italian gatekeeping speaker, this car is, I just read

[Doug DeMuro]

what it says, beautiful. With a couple of upgrades, this car could be brand new. The tail lights are halogens. The door, nobody does door handles that look like that anymore. But like with a few upgrades on the outside, this car is so in

[Kenan]

the inside if, if you send it back to Aston.

[Doug DeMuro]

Actually I would do a lot of changes to the inside.

[Kenan]

They will, yeah, they do update the center console and stuff like that. But the exterior, the exterior is just spite the back of your hand. Beautiful.

[Doug DeMuro]

Look at that. That line on the door is such a, it's such a risky line and it works so well.

[Kenan]

Yeah, they really executed it well. You know the Johnny Ives. If you want to execute a You

[Doug DeMuro]

want to know how to design a

[Kenan]

car, this is how it's done.

[Filippo]

Similar belt line.

[Doug DeMuro]

No Italian involved with this car. Even though I truly think it's. No, this is.

[Kenan]

Ian Calland did this car. But it. I. And those wheels, that's a really risky

[Doug DeMuro]

line because that line can go real bad. Right. You're doing a vertical line in the middle of the back of the car. But what it did was it created this crazy rear shoulder that, like, work works beautifully.

[Kenan]

Yep. Couldn't agree. And just ludicrously expensive. The Vanquish was the last handmade Aston Martin before they switched away from that. But it does give that it's just like haunches. It's just my friend Jeff's dad had one of these, and when we paint corrected it for him, he came back from a day of surgery and looked at it, and he goes, that car just looks wider. It does look very wider.

[Doug DeMuro]

I truly think still to this day, one of the most beautiful cars. I really, really believe that. It's funny because all the Astons from this era looked the same, and this car looks the same as the other ones. But there are these subtle changes. Changes. The. The long sloping front. The vantage doesn't have that. And the big wide thing in the back. Physically, a wider car.

[Kenan]

And it's a long. The way it just pinches toward the front. It's just.

[Doug DeMuro]

You know what Kenan doesn't like?

[Kenan]

I like the fog lights. I like.

[Filippo]

He likes them.

[Kenan]

I have no problem.

[Filippo]

I will say it's fundamentally an interesting car.

[Doug DeMuro]

Right.

[Filippo]

This car is live with no Reserve, has 28, 000 miles. It had an accident that resulted in a salvage title when it had 3,700 miles. So it's been rebuilt. Has a clean title now, but it's been rebuilt and driven 25,000 miles.

[Doug DeMuro]

Since it's probably good.

[Filippo]

And also credit to Matt Farah of the smoking tire and a Westcote collector car storage for taking some great photos and loves interior. Hundreds of pages of service records.

[Doug DeMuro]

This interior. Keep going. It's really orange. And it looks amazing. It looks like that Volvo orange. Yeah. Not quite out of comma, but close in those pictures.

[Kenan]

It doesn't.

[Doug DeMuro]

But look at it in this. Yeah, it's oranger on the. On the. This screen is messed up. Probably people been hit. Yeah.

[Kenan]

Maybe if some chestnut and stop doing that. Also very subtle detail. You can see in some areas, like the paddles. Also have a little bit of leather that's on same color. You can see it right there.

[Filippo]

Same color sable or Chestnut instead of the other one.

[Doug DeMuro]

Okay, we got to move on to the questions, which were fantastic. This. We had to go deep, but I found some great ones. The questions are brought to you by Filippo and his shirt that looks like he got run over. Put it on.

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[Doug DeMuro]

Tire track sweater.

[Kenan]

Winter tire tracks.

[Doug DeMuro]

Filippo's tire track sweater, of course, is brought to us by Michel. Are they our sponsor?

[Kenan]

Not yet.

[Doug DeMuro]

Anyway, here's the deal. If you want to ask us questions, you go to the community tab, right? And there's a thing there that says cars and bids questions. And you go in there and you ask us questions. Yep. And they were good this week, and I'm going to read them to you now. First question from VN owner. What's the most trouble you've ever gotten into with a dealer or press car provider or a vehicle owner? I rarely get in any trouble, and I wasn't gonna put this question in because I almost never have any drama or issues. But I have a story that I want to tell, and I'm leave out the automaker for Filippo's fit. Filippo wants me to tell with the automaker, but I'm gonna leave out the automaker so that Filippo doesn't get mad at me for something they'll never stop me. Six, eight months ago, maybe it's two years, I don't know. I review a car from a dealership, not the automaker. I almost always now get them from the automaker. A review from the dealership and the automaker, and the video goes up. It's very praising of the car. Car's great. Still think the car is great. Very praising car. The video goes up, and the. The automaker contacts the dealer, and they said, this video has to come down. He didn't, you know, get the car through us, and you have to tell him to take the video down. And so the dealer calls me, and they said, hey, the company told us, you got to take the video. Video down. And I said, fine, no problem. I'll take the video down. Only one condition. The automaker has to call me. They're gonna call me direct. I want to hear it from their mouth that they're telling a journalist to take down content. And they didn't. And the video stayed up, but I wanted them to so bad because I knew if I got a call from a car company saying, yo, you gotta take a video down, the video that I would then make about such and such automaker told me to remove my video would so much better than the original video ever could have been. But they wouldn't do it. And I was sitting there like looking at my phone that week like come on, come on. But they never called. And then eventually the dealer called and they're like, yeah, they're just going to drop it. I was like, yeah, I kind of figured they might. Too bad. That's actually happened a few times. Believe it or not.

[Filippo]

Do believe it.

[Doug DeMuro]

And, and, and when I was early in this I'd be like, oh God, I'm so sorry, I'll take down the video. And now every time I respond to the same have him call me and the answer is never that the video comes down. Cuz I just want to have that conversation. Don't you want to hear that? You want to hear an automaker And

[Filippo]

I think they know that they can.

[Doug DeMuro]

Let's do it. Let's really do it. Any who it all worked out. Next question. Do you remember this?

[Kenan]

I don't. No.

[Doug DeMuro]

Next question from Yellow Wolf. If you could only drive one country's cars for the rest of your life, which country would you choose?

[Filippo]

Kenan has only ever driven one country.

[Doug DeMuro]

Germany.

[Kenan]

Kennedy owned a Ferrari.

[Doug DeMuro]

Living this. He's currently living this.

[Filippo]

So am I. I know you're a German. Outside of the Ford, thankfully.

[Doug DeMuro]

America.

[Kenan]

Wow, really? Career GT.

[Doug DeMuro]

Really? Life would be cheaper. Really?

[Filippo]

You own one American car. Okay, I've only ever owned like two or three.

[Doug DeMuro]

Oh my God. I've only ever owned two. Give me a break. I have the 2001 Ford Explorer Sport, 2004 Cadillac CTS V, 2011 Cadillac CTSV, 1995am General Hummer, 1997 Dodge Viper GTS, 2005 Ford GT7.

[Filippo]

Great.

[Doug DeMuro]

2005 Ford GT and, and 2024 Toyota Sakura. That car's built in Texas by non union labor and the only people who are driving it are hardcore Republicans.

[Filippo]

It's going to be sold in Japan soon.

[Doug DeMuro]

Really?

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[Doug DeMuro]

No way.

[Filippo]

I think Germany is kind of the most breath of options.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah. What about Italy?

[Filippo]

Germany's kind of the most breath of options.

[Doug DeMuro]

You don't think Italy's possible here? Italy? Italy's car is not for car sales

[Filippo]

sold in the U.S. no, no.

[Doug DeMuro]

That's not what it's asked. That's not how I'm reading it though.

[Filippo]

I'm reading Japan would also be a great option.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah, you could have a Toyota GT1.

[Kenan]

I hadn't considered.

[Doug DeMuro]

Everybody's like CLK GTR, CLK GTR. You know what the Toyota GT1 didn't do? It didn't fly right on the ground.

[Kenan]

Germany or Japan got a Porsche GT1.

[Doug DeMuro]

Man, I can't talk you into America or Italy.

[Filippo]

You could talk into America.

[Doug DeMuro]

Probably not Italy. Italy. Italy was talking to a bowl until about eight years ago. And then the Italian, like regular new. Exactly. Regular Italian cars took a dive. That wasn't always true. Like even in mid-2000s, a 159, a 157, there were good cars.

[Filippo]

The multiple.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah. But then things changed. Like 2012, 2013, the recession was tough. Yeah.

[Filippo]

It never really really killed Italy.

[Doug DeMuro]

Italy's cars are now a disaster. Like it's a rebadged Chrysler 350. And even the small hatchbacks are kind of gone. Yeah. Yeah.

[Filippo]

Sad.

[Doug DeMuro]

What a shame. We almost had the panda's back though, Evie. But back the what?

[Filippo]

The panda is back.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah, that's true. Okay, next question from nsoch24. You spend time on east and west coast, but you take a long drive every year back and forth. What is your favorite state in the middle and where do you like to stop along the way? We got the favorite state in the middle question the other day. I think I said Arkansas or Tennessee. Still love them. But where do I like to stop along the way? Folks, I'm going to tell you a little story here that Felipe Depot knows. I'm going to tell you the story about one of the places I stopped. In Memphis, Tennessee, which is a great city. That opinion is not shared by most people. In Memphis, Tennessee, there is a hotel, okay. And it's in a pyramid. And the pyramid used to be a basketball stadium.

[Filippo]

And it's currently.

[Doug DeMuro]

But it's now the world's largest Bass Pro Shops.

[Filippo]

Can't make this up.

[Doug DeMuro]

It's the world's largest Bass Pro Shops. And this pyramid is like a beacon over the world. And it's right on the other side of the Mississippi River. And when you're driving in from Arkansas, you're like, oh, thank God I'm in Tennessee. And you see the pyramid and it reminds you like the true pyramids of Giza, the Memphis. And so there is one called that. So anyway, it was a basketball stadium. Now it's a Bass Pro Shops. But there's a hotel in this Bass Pro. It's such a big Bass Pro Shops as a hotel, they're thinking, you might want to spend so much money at the Bass Pro Shops, you might need to stay over. I stay there every year. I have stayed there for years in a row now, one night every year. And the best part is you can choose. Click on that picture. You can choose your hotel room. If you want it to be outside looking at the city of Memphis. No, thank you. Or inside looking over the Bass Pro Shops. And so every year, me and Noodle, we sit on. The hotel rooms are actually log cabins. The hotel rooms are log cabins. You can kind of see them in the background over here. And me and Noodles sit on our log cabin patio. They have screened porches, even though they are inside a building. And. Yeah, there they are. And we sit on our log cabin and patio and we look out over the Bass Pro Shops. Now to my great sa. I had no idea. I didn't know there was a boat.

[Kenan]

There's a boat water feature inside.

[Doug DeMuro]

I must not have that view.

[Filippo]

There are six restaurants.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. There are a lot of restaurants. Now, to my great sadness, I drive so far that day. I'm usually coming from Albuquerque. I drive so far that I've never been able to be there when the Bass Pro Shops is open and I leave before it opens in the morning. So I've never actually seen the hustle and bustle that can come from this Bass Pro Shops. But I am very impressed.

[Filippo]

Underwater bowling. Because they do offer bowling at the Pyramid. I'm told there's underwater themed.

[Doug DeMuro]

I just. No idea. I got the first time I did this five, six years ago. I've been staying in this hotel for years. The first time I did it, I was so excited. The alligators. So I go out on my screened porch in my log cabin with Noodle and I'm so excited. And I listen and I open the door and the screen porch and I hear the sound of those floor buffer machines because it's closed. That sound went on all night, by the way. I wasn't even able to have my door open to hear the sweet sounds of.

[Filippo]

Couldn't have the AC from the back rop. In fact, the AC of your hotel room. Tragic.

[Doug DeMuro]

That's actually a great idea. This is a rare opportunity where you could leave the door open. You don't have to turn on the AC yourself. They'll AC you. There you go. Sad.

[Kenan]

They don't play like crickets or some sound at night.

[Doug DeMuro]

You know, that would be nice for us hotel guests.

[Kenan]

Yeah. Because there are a lot of people out there. They really should sit on the porch.

[Doug DeMuro]

By the way, how do they not

[Filippo]

have a water park? That's. That's my surprise.

[Doug DeMuro]

Well, it's in a. It's in a pyramid. It's a limited amount of space. It's a real thing. The problem is when you show up to this hotel really late at night, there's only a. The front desk is open. And then you go into an elevator. Like, the whole floor is closed. Like, I've never even been on the floor. I've just looked at it from my perch. Anyway, that's my favorite experience as I drive cross country every year. That's okay. This is hard to beat that. This next best shit's going to be rapid fire from EVs. And clutch pedals for all three of us can be rapid fire. Okay. We know that you guys love cars, et cetera. Rank your level of interest. I want a zero to ten ranking in the following vehicles. Boats. Zero.

[Kenan]

Zero.

[Filippo]

Four.

[Doug DeMuro]

Oh, nice. Trains. Zero.

[Kenan]

Oh, like eight.

[Filippo]

Two.

[Doug DeMuro]

Okay. Airplanes. Zero.

[Filippo]

Eight. Two.

[Doug DeMuro]

Oh, really? Really? You're really into planes?

[Kenan]

Oh, yeah. I mean, yeah. I keep track of everything I found. Love planes.

[Doug DeMuro]

Really?

[Filippo]

I mean, it's almost always one of two planes. It's going to be a pretty ride.

[Doug DeMuro]

Do you keep track of the buses you've been on?

[Kenan]

47. That's a great. It's. It's a quite an experience.

[Filippo]

I did ride a lot of 737s.

[Doug DeMuro]

I did ride on one of those planes that has.

[Kenan]

Depends on. Depends on which version.

[Doug DeMuro]

I rode on one of those planes that has two stories.

[Kenan]

Yeah, it was an A380.

[Doug DeMuro]

How does that work? They get two stories on this.

[Kenan]

I know, it's cool.

[Doug DeMuro]

Does it. Does it bother you that we didn't have flight figured out until 100 years ago and now planes have two stories? Stories.

[Kenan]

That's progress.

[Doug DeMuro]

Okay. Rockets. Zero.

[Kenan]

Yeah. Pretty low.

[Doug DeMuro]

Four. Oh, wow. Four is loady. One. He doesn't care about space. He don't care about anything.

[Filippo]

Fine.

[Kenan]

0.

[Filippo]

4.

[Doug DeMuro]

What did you say was high? Boat. You said boats.

[Filippo]

Boats. I gave a four.

[Doug DeMuro]

Okay.

[Filippo]

They're interesting.

[Doug DeMuro]

You didn't. But trains, airplanes, you both gave two. And rockets. You gave one.

[Filippo]

Airplanes. I'll go up to three.

[Kenan]

I would bring up boats, actually. Sailboats are really cool. And there's a cool boat called.

[Filippo]

And by the way, I want to be clear, I love trains as well. Mode of transportation.

[Doug DeMuro]

Okay. You're just interested in them.

[Filippo]

I'm not like, I don't care about.

[Kenan]

You know, I'm a Tylenol enthusiast, so I do like trains.

[Doug DeMuro]

Next question. Farm vehicles, like tractors and combines. Zero.

[Kenan]

Like. Yeah, like a three. When I was a kid, that was in five.

[Doug DeMuro]

Really? That's the most.

[Filippo]

He said they make America work.

[Doug DeMuro]

Okay.

[Kenan]

He lives in Wisconsin.

[Doug DeMuro]

Construction vehicles, which actually make America work. Like excavators and bulldozers. 0.

[Kenan]

2. I like that.

[Filippo]

The farmers are going to complain about that. Four.

[Doug DeMuro]

Four. The farmers are out there working the fields, dude.

[Filippo]

Five. Well, they listen to the podcast.

[Doug DeMuro]

That's true. Class six road vehicles like school buses and 18 wheelers.

[Kenan]

0, 06.

[Doug DeMuro]

His numbers are so non committal too. It's everybody. Three and six is where they all land. Hey, what's cars for you? Zero. No, no.

[Filippo]

Eight.

[Kenan]

Bicycles.

[Doug DeMuro]

All right. Motorcycles. Zero.

[Kenan]

Like a two, six

[Doug DeMuro]

things of like a five micro mobility vehicles, like bikes, scooters, one wheelers, skateboards, e scooters, that kind of thing. 0, 2, 8. Oh, yeah. Can you name a lot of scooter

[Filippo]

brands from like a conceptually. Sure. Piaggio makes scooters. I find the micro mobility space to be very interesting.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah, but you don't know anything about it.

[Filippo]

I know lot about bikes.

[Doug DeMuro]

What do you know about bikes?

[Filippo]

Bikes are one of the great modes of transportation worldwide.

[Kenan]

That is after the AI.

[Doug DeMuro]

So we're playing rockets.

[Filippo]

Who cares?

[Kenan]

Demonstrate knowledge.

[Doug DeMuro]

Rockets, who cares?

[Kenan]

Tell me about frames.

[Filippo]

And like, I don't go deep on like things like, you know.

[Doug DeMuro]

No, you don't.

[Filippo]

I'm not like a gadgets person.

[Kenan]

Surprisingly, a bicycle's a gadget.

[Doug DeMuro]

There are people that get into learned about you.

[Filippo]

Like, like our producer Sean knows exactly what kind of tennis racket he uses.

[Doug DeMuro]

Right.

[Filippo]

What, how the strings are tension. I don't care. I buy the one that's like generic. Generic. Give me the middle of the bell curve and that's fine. Yeah, I'm not an equipment person. Right.

[Doug DeMuro]

Same. Nonetheless. You said six or eight for some of these.

[Filippo]

I know that's what I was expecting in that rating.

[Doug DeMuro]

Okay, got it.

[Kenan]

I was expecting more.

[Doug DeMuro]

I'm not interested in any of that stuff. But now you know for all of us what our rankings are. I. I view the rest of those things. Boats, trains, planes. Like people view cars. It's like a nuisance that I have to use.

[Filippo]

Planes are just whatever people are like, oh, planes.

[Doug DeMuro]

What plane did you ride on? I once got on an airplane without knowing what airline I was on. And when they came on the announcements, I thought I was on the wrong thing because I had boarded thinking I was on United and it was Delta. And I checked my ticket. I was like, oh, no, no.

[Kenan]

You think you could have gotten on the plane if that were the case?

[Doug DeMuro]

Of course not. But I'm not paying attention this stuff. Yeah, that's true. Remember that stowaway who went to Europe?

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[Doug DeMuro]

Okay, here's a great question for Filippo.

[Filippo]

Oh, gosh.

[Doug DeMuro]

From W113SL. Whatever happened to automotive night vision systems? Do you remember this?

[Filippo]

Yeah, of course.

[Doug DeMuro]

They had night vision inside the S Class. Yeah. And the Cadillac, what happened to them? They got pedestrian safety. They got all this stuff. But couldn't night vision make a comeback? I actually believe it or not I had night vision in that E class station.

[Filippo]

Did you really?

[Doug DeMuro]

That white must have been the only.

[Filippo]

I know one filled with it and.

[Doug DeMuro]

But when we were driving it like up to Princeton at night right from Philly there's all these. You're on these country roads, deer everywhere. So useful. It was.

[Filippo]

So useful was it heads up display Dr.

[Doug DeMuro]

It was in your gauge cluster. But I would. You're not supposed to do this. But I would to the point where I would like half my time I'd be looking at the thing because it gave a heat signature and you were on roads. There's no cars coming. But the big fear is deer. What happened to those things? They were great.

[Kenan]

It is a good question. I don't know. Maybe that was. Maybe it was the liability. The lawyers said we can't have people staying at school.

[Doug DeMuro]

But they have navigation. There are still cars that have them. I was in an S A Maybach the other month that had them. But like it. I assumed it would proliferate like so many technologies from that era proliferate like LED brake lights and all this stuff.

[Filippo]

I wonder if they just never found a way to get it cheap enough and that like that technology proliferates because it gets cheap.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah.

[Filippo]

Like you figure out how to build it. You figure out how to build it more cheaply.

[Doug DeMuro]

I'm ready for night vision.

[Filippo]

I am too.

[Kenan]

Plus night vision has been around in like a lot of applications for forever military applications and like I mean you'd think it could like make it in the cars.

[Filippo]

I will say there are some things where like lidar doesn't. Doesn't matter if it's day or night. It's not camera driven. And so you're maybe there maybe come

[Doug DeMuro]

a time when night vision is actually made obsolete by.

[Filippo]

By newer technology already kind of is.

[Doug DeMuro]

Right.

[Filippo]

If you have a car with automatic emergency braking that uses lighter for it, you're Maybe it'll still break.

[Doug DeMuro]

It'd be nice to know.

[Filippo]

It would be.

[Doug DeMuro]

I like to know when a deer is going to come. Even if the car is going to do the braking for me. I want to know when a deer is coming.

[Filippo]

Right.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yes.

[Kenan]

Yeah.

[Filippo]

Cuz what if you want ventures of him that night?

[Doug DeMuro]

Okay. Two more questions. Two more questions from Andrew G. Bu. Infinity FX 50s. Yes. This is the performance SUV that no one talks about. Why is that?

[Filippo]

It wasn't very good.

[Doug DeMuro]

You ever driven one? Have you driven one?

[Filippo]

I've not, but I know enough.

[Doug DeMuro]

It's just motor. That's why nobody talks about it. It's not. It's not athletic. And the transmission's not good. Like, I think they're pretty cool. And on paper, I bet we've sold a couple of F. Put FX 50s. They had tons of power.

[Filippo]

All the power in the world.

[Kenan]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Filippo]

Turns out. 390 horsepower. Maybe not all the power.

[Doug DeMuro]

400 horsepower. 2009 was a big deal.

[Filippo]

And also they looked so sporty. They looked so good.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah. The FX45, when it came out, had 345 horsepower, which was a really big deal. It took the Cayenne S that same year to. To. To beat it out. The V8. The truth is, it's a powerful car. The acceleration times are good. It is just simply not an athletic car. It just doesn't drive sporty. It's simply fast. It's like a Model 3. It's like fast, but that's like all you get.

[Filippo]

It's kind of the same. You Remember the Infiniti Q50 Redline or Red Sport?

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah, Red Sport. The red Sport 400.

[Filippo]

Yeah. It was just fine. You know, they don't make that great of sporty cars.

[Doug DeMuro]

Okay, last question from Kenan's next car.

[Kenan]

Oh, wish I knew what it was.

[Doug DeMuro]

If the crew had to stage an intervention to force one member to sell a car in their current fleet for their own good, who is getting the call and which car is going?

[Filippo]

Nick.

[Doug DeMuro]

Does Nick count?

[Filippo]

Yep, yep, yep. P38.

[Doug DeMuro]

But like four of Nick cars before it even comes to anybody else. Nick's P38. The folks focus instantly.

[Filippo]

The focus is his wife.

[Doug DeMuro]

Don't forget Nick's focus instantly. It's D. Nick. What about one of the three of us? I think him and one of Heath.

[Filippo]

I just sold my Fiat last week.

[Doug DeMuro]

Either his GTI or the truck.

[Kenan]

The truck.

[Doug DeMuro]

Oh, the truck.

[Filippo]

The truck we're into.

[Kenan]

I know everybody wants to say it's me. And they should get rid of the E3. No, I don't post it. You'd be left with how much I love that car. And I just love the car.

[Filippo]

You and the I don't even know.

[Kenan]

Ford gt.

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[Doug DeMuro]

No way. Kidding.

[Filippo]

By the way, I looked it up. The 612 is 10 inches longer than your Ford GT10. You could fit it.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah, but then you have to. You have to think about it. I don't like to think. And one of the problems is the 4 GT parks behind my desk. And I'm always worried that I'm going to send a chair into a car.

[Filippo]

But one time you ran your car into your house. It's a concern.

[Doug DeMuro]

It was newly built.

[Filippo]

You didn't know it was there.

[Doug DeMuro]

The house hadn't been there before. You forgot.

[Kenan]

Shouldn't have been standing there.

[Doug DeMuro]

Totally forgot. And so I worry about the chair going into the car.

[Kenan]

It has parking sensors.

[Filippo]

No, but the chair doesn't.

[Doug DeMuro]

The chair.

[Kenan]

Oh the chair doesn't. That's true.

[Doug DeMuro]

It's on wheels.

[Filippo]

Good visibility though.

[Doug DeMuro]

A lot of folks put a non wheeled chair in that desk. Not me.

[Filippo]

Nick is the clear answer to this question.

[Kenan]

Yeah, Nick is the cuz. He's a degenerate and has. Yeah. All those cars.

[Doug DeMuro]

Should we do one more question? That's answer one more from H L E I H I E I 625 Doug, during the driving segment of your videos, have you ever seen a video that made you go oh my God and make you lose focus on what you're saying and doing? Believe it or not that has happened a few times. I was driving the Huayra in Newport beach down PCH and of Chiron was randomly was coming the other way. Wow, that was wild. I edited that part out I think but it happened this week. Two weeks ago I was driving something. Oh that green AMG GT 4 door S63 S GTS 4 door E Performance.

[Filippo]

Close enough.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yep. And I'm driving on the highway and a G63 6x6 is driving along next to me. And I literally was filming the video and I stopped the clip, took the phone, took a picture. I mean it's a six byte cars crazy. Yep. And then I went on continue. They didn't look at the 63e performance, 4 or G performance despite the fact

[Filippo]

that it was green or orange or whatever color it was. So it was a bright color.

[Doug DeMuro]

It was something bright.

[Filippo]

It's bright green.

[Kenan]

It's green. Hell magno, right?

[Filippo]

Yeah, I think so.

[Doug DeMuro]

Oh yeah. Okay, final question. With every generation from Jason Buckles with kind of. With every generation of car getting larger and larger, do you think cars will stop eventually growing in size or do you think eventually we will change infrastructure to accommodate larger cars? The widths are not getting bigger.

[Filippo]

That's not really true.

[Doug DeMuro]

Here's what I'm a little wider. I'm going to. I'm going to tell you all a story That I think you're going to, you're going to dispute. Cars are not getting bigger. Two things in the 50s, in the 60s cars were.

[Filippo]

Good point.

[Doug DeMuro]

You ever seen those cars?

[Filippo]

Fair point.

[Doug DeMuro]

They were huge.

[Filippo]

They're big now they're not.

[Doug DeMuro]

Here's the other thing that I've started to realize. As the automaker grows the car with each successive generation, the people who used to buy that car slide in and buy the like. The CR V is now the Pilot. If you're a family, you buy a CR V now, which it used to be, you buy a Pilot but the pilot's gotten big. And the CR V is now where the Pilot was. Size wise, two row, but yeah, it's two row. But like that's what people are buying. And this has happened with all of them. The RAV4 is now the family SUV, whereas it was the Highlander to the point where they're not getting rid of the Highlander. And this happened with Sequoia and Land Cruiser. Right. Land Cruiser got so big and so expensive, they eventually were like, there's not a market for this car anymore. And I actually think that the automakers will continue growing the cars and then slotting underneath BMW in the one series, right? Yeah. There was no one series until there was and now it's like the size of a three series. And so if you want a sporty BMW, that's what you get. And a five series is a big car.

[Kenan]

That's a good point.

[Doug DeMuro]

And that is the cars will never get big as a result.

[Filippo]

Interesting. I do think that like you see in countries that have a lot of historical infrastructure that they can't easily change. A lot of Europe, Japan, there is still very much a lot of demand for small cars because that's all that you can reasonably drive around. Right. And that's going to limit size increases. I think if you go to like a new suburb anywhere in America, lanes are really wide, parking spots are really wide. They want to accommodate that. So there'll be some continuous increase up. But you also still want to be able to drive through, through Oldtown, Philadelphia and this, the, that street's not going to get wider. And so if you want to do that, if you live there, you're going to need to go for smaller cars and that's going to.

[Doug DeMuro]

Isn't an old city.

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[Doug DeMuro]

Okay.

[Filippo]

That's not constrain.

[Doug DeMuro]

I think that widths are not growing. Isn't 80 inches like the max?

[Filippo]

No, widths are still growing a little bit.

[Doug DeMuro]

Like, like, like, like, like the ships through Panama. You know what I mean, right?

[Kenan]

Another good Wikipedia dive.

[Filippo]

I. I think that there will be some on the margins. They'll increase, but a lot of infrastructure

[Doug DeMuro]

is not going to change. I think the cars get bigger, they age out. People get into the smaller ones. Cars are getting smaller. The average size of car in the 60s, I guarantee you, was like two feet longer than the average size of a car. Today we are getting smaller and more efficient and everything's going to be just fine.

[Filippo]

And no more start, stop.

[Doug DeMuro]

And start stop is over. Goodbye, everyone.

[Filippo]

Hot and cold again.

[Kenan]

Goodbye.

[Filippo]

Goodbye,

[Doug DeMuro]

Sam.