Subaru STI Returns! New $3 Million Dollar Rolls-Royce, Forbidden GM EV1 Auction?

Summary

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THIS CAR POD!

Episode: Subaru STI Returns! New $3 Million Dollar Rolls-Royce, Forbidden GM EV1 Auction?

Hosts: Doug DeMuro, Kenan, Nick
Date: October 31, 2025

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Overview

In this lively Halloween episode, Doug DeMuro and his co-hosts Kenan and Nick dive into a week packed with breaking automotive news, spirited debates, and personal anecdotes. Main topics include the preview of a new Subaru STI concept, the ultra-exclusive $3 million Rolls-Royce Phantom Centenary, a rare GM EV1 surfacing in a public auction, and the enduring appeal (and pitfalls) of unique, enthusiast cars. The guys also recount their recent adventures—car shows, F1 races, and buying or selling dream machines—while answering thoughtful listener questions about the car world’s past, present, and future.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Subaru STI Concept Car Return

[00:32–05:11]

• Subaru previewed a new STI concept at the Tokyo Motor Show; features include box fenders, rear arch treatment, a giant wing, manual transmission, and a hatchback body (“This is the STI that we've all wanted for many, many, many years.” —Doug, [03:38])
• Subaru’s decision not to sell hatchbacks or wagons in the US market since 2011 is called into question, especially given the success of the GR Corolla and resurgence of wagons.
• Discussion on Subaru’s hesitation: targeting family-oriented markets over enthusiasts.
• All wish for Subaru to fully revive the STI as a performance halo car.

Notable Quote:

"Subaru, if you're listening, do it, bring it here." —Kenan, [03:38]

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2. GM’s “Eyes-Off” Super Cruise

[05:51–08:36]

• Announcement of General Motors’ upcoming “eyes-off” Super Cruise hands-free driving system; depicted by a driver watching TV with no hands or eyes on the road.
• Legal and liability hurdles discussed, with speculation GM’s mapping of roads and limited operational areas helps address these.
• Anticipation for hands-free freeway driving and potential impact for long-distance drivers.

Notable Quote:

“If GM does it... it would be really big for long haul drivers.” —Doug, [08:16]

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3. Market Trends: Who’s Buying Giant Luxury EVs?

[08:43–10:12]

• Escalade IQ’s surprising popularity contrasted to the Hummer EV.
• Hosts humorously debate the real target market for giant electric luxury SUVs—are they bought for status, utility, or something else entirely?
• Side conversation about Range Rovers as the secret dream car of many Americans.

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4. Infiniti’s Return to Sedans

[10:19–11:44]

• Infiniti announces a new sedan, despite recent cancellations of better-selling SUV models.
• All hosts are skeptical about the business logic, with predictions about Infiniti’s struggling future.

Notable Quote:

“I have a theory that Infiniti will not make it... we may not see 2030.” —Doug, [11:35]

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5. GM EV1 Auctioned to Public

[13:47–18:53]

• The legendary 1990s GM EV1 electric car (which GM leased and later repossessed and crushed) surfaces at a Georgia auction, sells for $104,000.
• Discussion about how this is the first EV1 to enter private hands in decades and potential contractual or legal issues for the buyer.
• Hosts pitch YouTube restoration ideas, discuss the car’s quirks (e.g., keypad start, hand-drawn owner’s manual).
• Pondering its collector value, urging someone to restore and share the car with the enthusiast community.

Notable Moment:

“Wouldn’t this be the best way to start a YouTube channel ever?” —Nick, [16:10]

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6. Toyota’s Cowboy Hat Holder Concept

[19:21–20:52]

• SEMA concept truck with a dashboard cowboy hat holder draws admiration and nostalgia.
• Anecdote: Nick recalls teenage mischief in his grandpa’s old F-150; joke on American truck culture and brand patriotism.
• Hosts amused by clever, uniquely ‘American’ features, but agree it’ll probably remain a concept.

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7. Ferrari Patents Side-Exit Exhaust for V12

[21:02–23:31]

• Ferrari files a patent for a front-engine, V12, side-exit exhaust setup, likely aimed at future Icona series cars.
• The crew speculates what model it might debut on, and whether it’ll be a true enthusiast’s Ferrari or just a design exercise.

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8. Rolls-Royce Phantom Centenary Edition: $3 Million Opulence

[23:51–26:43]

• Rolls-Royce marks the Phantom’s 100th anniversary with an ultra-exclusive, $3M edition—25 cars only, featuring “77 stitched motifs” and golden Spirit of Ecstasy.
• Hosts critique the “tasteless” interior styling, though admit the exterior is beautiful.

Notable Quote:

“It’s one of the ugliest interiors I’ve ever seen.” —Kenan, [26:02]

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9. Listener Q&A

[63:55–71:54]

• Why no Miata? Kenan prefers big-engine cars; Nick simply lacks garage space.
• On 1990s/2000s golden era: Spirited discussion—are the cars from this era objectively best, or is it nostalgia? Doug and Kenan argue for the unique analog/modern balance, Nick notes generational bias but agrees on their enduring appeal.

Notable Quote:

“I think the mid-2000s was sort of the 60s on steroids. It was like all those 60s cars that were amazing but now modern and great.” —Doug, [69:20]

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Memorable Personal Segments

The SLR Arrives, the Murciélago Departs

[31:35–34:54]

• Nick reveals his newly bought Mercedes SLR has surpassed his expectations, calling it “a religious experience.” ([33:41])
• Touches on the recent sale of his manual-converted Murciélago, now en route to Denver.

Notable Quote:

“My life will be measured in pre-SLR and post-SLR.” —Nick, [33:55]

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Radwood Recap

[38:40–42:23]

• Nick shares his experience at the Radwood car show (80s/90s vehicles)—emphasizing the eclectic range and community spirit, plus the joy (and humility) of parking a Fiat Multipla between the porta-potties and a Testarossa.
• Laments not winning an award this year; agrees with Doug that survivor and quirky cars now hold unique appeal over traditional supercars at such events.

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Formula 1 in Mexico City

[42:47–47:40]

• Kenan recounts visiting the Mexican Grand Prix for a friend’s bachelor party, with highlights including seeing incredible street cars, a rare blue Carbon Ferrari F50, and a LaFerrari Aperta in the driver parade, as well as soaking in local auto enthusiasm.

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Quirky Car Sightings & Personal Rants

[47:44–53:09]

• Doug spotlights oddball finds: a Mercedes GLK with a sticker… of itself, and a rare short-wheelbase heavy-duty Yukon Denali (never made by GM but created for government/armored use).
• Nick and Kenan discuss the humble but capable Audi A2, and the challenges of owning a problematic Bentley.

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Mercedes R63 AMG Deep-Dive (Market Segment)

[55:02–58:30]

• Debate over the value and rarity of the R63 AMG minivan: only 113 were sold in North America, with pristine examples seldom on the market.
• Nick is tempted to buy, noting its “ultimate Multipla” vibe, but hesitates due to timing and funds.

Notable Quote:

“This is like the opposite of my Bentley. It’s too nice for me.” —Nick, [56:09]

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The Case for E55 AMG & High-Mileage Ferraris

[58:30–63:42]

• Doug praises the W210 E55 AMG as an affordable, reliable, future classic; still undervalued in today’s market.
• Kenan highlights a high-mileage euro 512TR Ferrari up for sale—remarking on its rarity and appeal for drivers who believe “miles are meant to be added.”

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Additional Notable Quotes

• “Manual transmission. I’m seeing people in GR Corollas that don’t look like enthusiasts.” —Nick, [05:20]
• “You drive a Sequoia with camouflage Fender. So we don’t need to…” —Nick (ribbing Doug about American car tastes), [11:59]
• “Would Papa have quit his cowboy hat?” —Doug (on the cowboy hat holder), [19:54]
• “Why not—so I don’t know. I think I’m very curious to see if this car ever comes into existence. And if it does it’ll be cool. Ferrari’s SLR.” —Kenan, [23:24]
• “Congrats Ferrari for inventing side exhausts. We’re very proud of you.” —Nick, [23:31]
• “Every magazine tester disagrees with that and so do I... [E55 vs E39 M5].” —Kenan, [60:02]
• “Pretty cool. Please, someone get this back on the road. Sell it on cars...” —Doug (on the EV1), [18:05]

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Timestamps: Important Segments

• Subaru STI Concept / WRX Hatchback Debate: [00:32–05:11]
• GM Eyes-Off Super Cruise: [05:51–08:36]
• Escalade IQ & SUV Trends: [08:43–10:12]
• Infiniti’s Directionless Future: [10:19–11:44]
• GM EV1 Auction: [13:47–18:53]
• Toyota Cowboy Hat Holder Concept: [19:21–20:52]
• Ferrari Side-Exit Exhaust Patent: [21:02–23:31]
• Rolls-Royce $3M Centenary Phantom: [23:51–26:43]
• Personal Car Adventures (Merc SLR, Murciélago Sale): [31:35–34:54]
• Radwood Show Recap: [38:40–42:23]
• Formula 1 Mexico City: [42:47–47:40]
• Market Reports (R63, E55, Ferrari 512TR): [55:02–63:42]
• Listener Questions (Miata, Golden Era, etc.): [63:55–71:54]

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Tone and Style

True to the THIS CAR POD! formula, this episode blends Doug’s curiosity and quirky expertise with Nick and Kenan’s quick wit and differing auto perspectives. The group’s banter flows between heartfelt nostalgia, sharp analysis, and plenty of irreverent in-jokes, all suffused with automotive passion.

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For new listeners:
Whether you're here for the hot takes on car market trends, the hidden stories behind enthusiast icons, or just for hilarious stories of car-guy mishaps and dreams, this episode offers insight and entertainment in equal measure.

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Transcript

[A]

Hello and welcome to this car pod.

[B]

I'm Kenan.

[C]

I'm Doug.

[A]

And I'm Nick.

[C]

Whoa. And Kenan is dressed up today. Yes.

[B]

It's Halloween.

[C]

It's Halloween, everybody.

[B]

I'm wearing my Senna costume and Kennen is Senna today.

[C]

His personal hero. But he's finished the race and he's changed into his hat.

[B]

That's one of the great ironies. He was very fast. I'm very slow.

[C]

True. Okay, we have a lot to discuss today. It's Halloween. We have a spooky podcast.

[A]

I want tricks.

[C]

No, I'm kidding. We have a normal podcast. Give us the first news. This is the biggest news story of the week, unquestionably. Subaru in Japan in Tokyo has previewed a new STI concept car. Did you see this?

[B]

That's interesting because they said they weren't going to make an STI version of the current wrx.

[C]

Correct. I think that that was said and it certainly has been true so far. Right. The new WRX came out in 21. At the end of 21 is when I reviewed it and it has been a pretty. I love the new wrx, but it's been a bit of a letdown in the sense that they didn't do a hatchback, they didn't do a wagon, and they didn't do an sti.

[B]

True.

[C]

This is all of those.

[A]

It's got the box fenders. I love that rear arch treatment there. Giant wing. It's in the correct color for a.

[C]

Wrx and it is a manual transmission and a hatchback. Now, at this same auto show, Subaru also previewed an electric hatchbacky concept car thing and they said this is the future of our STI brand. But I think I speak for all of us when I say that I hope that this is the future of the STI brand.

[A]

The only thing electric in the this car is going to be the vape pen. Like we do not need an ev.

[C]

I have to say I have been a little bit disappointed with Subaru's decision here. For one thing, not to do the hatchback. Subaru did the hatchback the last in 2011, 2012. It wasn't a huge seller and they said, okay, we're done. We're just going to do sedans. That's what the American market wants, which I think there was a time when that was true. However, since then, Audi RS6 has come back as a hatchback. The E63 wagon now outsells the sedan. The GR Corolla has shown up and been A big success since Subaru made this decision. The Focus and the Fiesta ST both came and went and they were quite popular. Those cars got ditched for reasons beyond the success of the performance model. And I think that there's a real business case for going back to the hatchback situation.

[B]

Some would say they could dominate an unfulfilled niche right now. So it's a very good time to bring it back.

[C]

I mean, I don't think it's not entirely unfulfilled because we have the GR Corolla, we have the Golf R, but this would be good competition of those cars. Now it can't have this wing.

[B]

No, it can't, but it will later on anyway. People will take inspiration from this on ebay, put these on the menu.

[C]

That's true. It can't come out of the factory like this. Even though we, we know this is what people are going to do. I got to tell you, it's also the hatchback thing is important too because Subaru, a lot of Americans don't realize this, but Subaru does sell the new WRX in virtually every other overseas market as a hatchback. And it's called either the Levorg or the WRX Sportsback or various things. I even looked it up. I was looking it up. Today they sell it in Chile and Peru.

[B]

Chile gets it, but we don't.

[C]

They just made the product planning decision. All Americans don't like hatches. Right as the hatch was, it was like the Xterra. It was like right as the hatch started to take off, they were like, we're done.

[B]

They always have like a five year latency. They're just behind like knowing exactly what.

[A]

It is that they don't think there's demand or is it a regulatory or otherwise compliance related part?

[C]

No, I mean they sell the Crosstrek which is a lifted version. So like there's. What's the issue with you already make the powertrain. I'm not even necessarily asking for an sti, although it'd be cool, obviously this car. But even a WRX wagon, I think going back to that would be really cool. Those are my favorite WRXs from the old days. But this is incredible. I mean this really is the STI that we've all wanted for many, many, many years. It's been five years since there was an sti. Yep.

[B]

So Subaru, if you're listening, do it, bring it here.

[C]

It'd be cool. I think it'd be cool. I think it would succeed. I Subaru abandoned sti. I have A suspicion, because that's not what they wanted their brand to be. In the US they were going after the Forester and the Outback and the families and the dog people and Costco shoppers. But, like, let's do this.

[A]

Like it.

[C]

They're so well known for it, and it's so beloved. And apparently this has a flat four, a turbo flat four.

[A]

And it is a good example of like a Halo car. So when people do get the boring foresters and Imprezas, they can at least think, oh, it's a performance car. It's used for rallies. Like, it seems silly to like, have such an obvious halo and not.

[C]

I agree, they have an obvious halo. STI has been the Halo for so many years. It was such a big deal, and then they just kind of left it. And what's even weirder is now they're previewing a concept version. It's like, okay, are you abandoning this or are you going to do it?

[A]

If I were them, I'd be doing like 22Bs and like going all in on that. But if we're not going to get that. And STI is a no.

[C]

There was the S209, which was like a $70,000 Impreza. It's so weird to me that they preview this as a concept. It doesn't really seem concep a production car.

[B]

Maybe they knew they were going to do this all along and they were like waiting for the later model years of maybe to like get people excited about.

[C]

But it's been years. I mean, you would think they would have done that like the year after or the next year or something like that.

[B]

It's kind of falls in the end of the product cycle thing, if that's really what they're going.

[C]

Typically, STIs have not been that, though. The. The O2 WRX was the first WRX in the States and they had an STI by.04. And that was the very beginning where they weren't even sure if the WRX would be a hit. And they came to just two years later with a sti. This would be five years later.

[A]

I love this.

[B]

Different people, different product strategies. But I really hope that they build it. I hope it comes.

[A]

And we need the box fenders.

[C]

I hope so too. I think the fenders are really cool. Maybe they're seeing what GR Corolla can do or has done and they're interested in being a part of that. Manual transmission.

[B]

Manual transmission.

[A]

I'm seeing people in GR Corollas that don't look like enthusiasts.

[C]

Can I posit that? That's because it's probably not a GR Corolla, but you've mistaken a Corolla, regular.

[A]

Corolla hat, the three exhausts and the little gazoo racing thing. I know my Toyota. I'm a Toyota truck guy.

[C]

Sure. And I think you're a Toyota truck guy. In what way?

[A]

I admire a land cruise from a distance.

[C]

You know, there's a short going around right now of you saying that people who buy Tacomas hate America.

[A]

They do. I mean, no.

[C]

Give us the next.

[A]

It's very unclear. Let me just tell you what. They don't have cowboy holders in their dashboards.

[C]

But we haven't talked about that yet. I know, but okay, the next big news story. I think one of the biggest news story of the week. General Motors announced this week that an eyes off version of Super Cruise is coming. That's a huge deal.

[B]

That's a very big deal.

[C]

Super Cruise of course is their self driving or they want to say driver assist, but at this point we can start calling it self driving, I think. And the video previewing this or the photo, there's a woman watching TV as her Escalade IQ drives down the street. And I love Super Cruise and I think it works wonderfully. And I think that the big drawback is that you have to always be looking forward. Have you guys used any of these systems? No, the ones that are eye monitoring. If you look down at your phone for even two seconds, it's like Bing. And it's like, well, the whole point of this is so that I can be on my phone.

[A]

Right.

[C]

If we're being honest, isn't that why we're trying to do driver assist?

[A]

Like if we're being. You would think.

[B]

You would think, yeah.

[C]

Yes.

[B]

For most people, yes, I would say that's it.

[C]

The fact that this is a possibility, they say in a couple more years. 28, that's really appealing.

[B]

Are there no regulatory hurdles around this that they had to clear?

[C]

My assumption is that the primary regulatory hurdle is that they have to then accept liability case of accidents, which seems scary. But remember how Super Cruise works? It only works on mapped roads. So it doesn't. You can't just turn it on. It only works on roads that they themselves have mapped out. And so with that in mind, they probably have a pretty good knowledge of. Hey, because it's really only freeways and some higher speed like State highways and U.S. highways open, more open highways. It's not like you can just do it in the city. GM Won't take liability for that, I assume. But if you're on the five, they know how it turns. You know, this is not new. Nothing is new about these freeways. Right.

[B]

And it's more predictable what's going to happen. As opposed to streets where there are kids running around in soccer, soccer balls or squirrels or whatever.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

I mean, working in advertising, I can only imagine how many people had to sign off on this image. Specifically demonstrating no eye contact, no hand on the wheel, watching tv. Like they knew GM is not like willy nilly about this. So.

[C]

Yeah, that's a good point. Just showing this picture is like them saying, we're gonna do this. And the lawyers were probably.

[B]

But they're like, the lawyers like, make sure the phone's far away from. We don't quite want to make that joke.

[A]

Heaven forbid you're on a phone while you're watching a movie.

[B]

Well, you're the guy who's talking on the phone in the movie theater. That's who it is.

[C]

No, I am very encouraged as a guy who does a lot of long distance driving on the freeway. I'm very encouraged by this and I think it could be really, really cool. And if, if GM does it. And Mercedes Benz has also talked that said that they might do something like this in the future. It would be really big for long haul drivers.

[B]

Definitely.

[C]

Nick could pop into his Escalade iql.

[A]

And wouldn't that be nice?

[C]

No. You know, I was in Washington D.C. this week. You know what the best part was? Didn't see a single Escalade iql. They're all over here.

[A]

Yeah, they really are.

[C]

They're all over. And it is just such a ridiculous vehicle.

[A]

You know, it's funny because everyone thought the Hummer EV SUV would take off. And you never see those, but you're seeing the IQ everywhere. So it's like, okay, they had the right concept, but everyone wanted the Escalade, not Hummer.

[C]

I don't get who buys them. Because liberals don't want a Cadillac Escalade and Republicans don't want an electric car. So who is this crossover that. Not only that, it's the most in your face of all of that? It is. It weighs 10,000 pounds and it costs $100,000 and it's the biggest car on the road.

[B]

It's yet again that Orange county crossover. It's like, it works. We live in Southern California. It worked. It plays here.

[A]

Yeah. I still think my theory that I posited to the group thread that everyone deep down wants a full Size Range Rover. People just aren't willing to accept it. And so an IQ is a falling short vehicle. It's not dumb. I wanted the full size range, dude, have you been. I got an Escalade because I didn't want to be too flashy or what have you.

[B]

Doug wants to be too flashy.

[C]

You're trying to create a Cayman GT 4. Nucleus theory with the new range. I'm gonna tell you something, dude.

[A]

The new range is everything.

[C]

It's just not that it's a lovely automobile.

[A]

And the Cadillac deville tail lights, the long vertical slits, perfect.

[C]

It's fine. It's fine. I just. Some of us. Look, some of us, we drive Toyota Sequoia, built in Texas. We love America. And some of us want our European fancy Euro America.

[A]

I think what you're trying to say is some of us are willing to admit we went the Range Rover. The rest of us are liars.

[C]

No, dude, I've had two ranges I will not get.

[A]

Those are not the. An L3 22 is not.

[C]

It was when I had it.

[A]

Yes, but we've come a long way.

[C]

Give us the next news story. I don't know. This is. We're on a tangent. Oh. 2006 Infiniti G35 sedan. This is a G35 breaking news.

[A]

Takeover. I assume that's what the story is. Yes.

[C]

No. Believe it or not, Infiniti has announced that they are returning with a sedan.

[A]

Wow.

[C]

Which is unbelievable because they just recently canceled their midsize suv, which is kind of like the whole thing. Right.

[B]

So they're deciding to cancel a platform that could potentially be popular with one that definitely won't be.

[A]

Hey, Cannon. Raise your hand if you didn't know that Infiniti didn't already make a sedan.

[C]

Currently Infiniti stopped doing the Q50 after the 24 model year. Although I'm sure there are still some left.

[A]

Yeah, right. They're gettable.

[C]

But the remaining cars in Infiniti's lineup are now only the QX60, which is a midsize 3 row SUV, and the QX80 which is a full size 3 row SUV. They've even canceled the QX50, which is their kind of small midsize, that was like X3 competitor. And the X3 and GLC and Q5 are probably the biggest sellers for those brands. And Infiniti doesn't even have a rival. And they're saying instead of putting research effort into that, we're going to go after a sedan.

[A]

Infiniti's not in a Good spot. I mean, do they just like live.

[B]

Under a rock or in a bunker? They don't know what else is going on.

[A]

Nissan's the parent company. Nissan's in dire strait. Infiniti is kind of like their sub brand. So if the main company's not getting enough R and D, imagine what like being a subsidiary.

[C]

I have a theory that Infiniti will not make it and we'll go under here in the next. Like we may not see 2030.

[B]

Yeah, I think that seems highly likely.

[A]

It's up there with the everyone wants a full size Range Rover theory and that it's probably true. No one can prove it, but it's probably true.

[C]

There is no part of me. I had a Defender, I bought it brand new. There is no part of me that sits here thinking, damn, I wish I had a full size.

[A]

You drive a Sequoia with camouflage Fender. So we don't need to.

[C]

I can't live in my community. Yeah, I cannot have a full size Ranger.

[A]

I bet there's one on every block.

[C]

There is.

[A]

Absolutely.

[C]

I cannot drive a full size Ranger.

[A]

I'm gonna go. I don't live in the whole leisurely drive. Later.

[C]

Nick has two properties, both at the beach and I'm not able to participate.

[B]

In any of that.

[A]

Right.

[B]

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[C]

Okay, move on to the next news story. The GM EV1.

[A]

Did you see this?

[B]

Yes, I saw this.

[A]

Yeah, Rich Rebuilds posted it, and I was really hoping he would have gotten it, but it brought in serious money.

[C]

So GM EV1 was General Motors electric car in the 90s. And the way these cars worked, they were only leased to consumers. And then when the leases were up, General Motors bought them back or took them back. They didn't allow people to renew the leases and they crushed most of them. It was the subject of this big documentary, which of course, the documentary Electric Car is Dead. Of course, now EVs are everywhere. So it's not as secret and special and, ooh, conspiracy as it once was. But a few of the EV ones were given donated to universities, and there are universities all around the country that have them in various states of disrepair. Because it was cool for the universities and their engineering students to check out at the time in 1999. But now the technology's old. Nobody cares anymore. EVs are everywhere. And in fact, they have a lot. Some of the universities, they're just sitting in parking lots. Like people approach them and see them and they pass around on social media occasionally with flat tires in this state. And so I think this car was at a university. And it has now been auctioned at some sort of auto auction in Georgia. And it sold for over $100,000, $104,000.

[B]

Memory service, which for these universities that have them sitting around, well, it was an easy way to get some.

[C]

Well, the problem was the universities all had to sign an agreement with GM that they would never sell the car. And so I wouldn't be surprised if the new owner of this car finds himself in a little bit of trouble. Probably GM doesn't care anymore.

[B]

I can't imagine.

[A]

Remember when you weren't allowed to sell a cybertruck and everyone was afraid to do that and it was like a serious thing and you'd be like, oh, do we accept it?

[B]

Hummer EV was my favorite because like you said, what am I gonna do, gmc?

[C]

Like, what are they going to do, stop you from buying a Yukon? Trust me, it's not going to happen.

[B]

But. But I mean, I guess there probably ways around. They probably gift it to someone else and that party can then sell it.

[C]

The universities were not allowed to dispose them at all, which is why they're. They're in kind of derelict state at universities across the country. And I assume that this one was at a university that failed, like that went bankrupt or something. And that probably is the only way that it happened. So there's nobody left for GM to go after. Go after at the university. But this will be the first EV1 in private hands since the time period. The only drawback is, does anybody care?

[A]

It doesn't seem like I. From what? I haven't been able to figure out who won it yet. And that may come out by the time this is posted, but wouldn't this be the best way to start a YouTube channel ever? Because you get the restoration of, like, the interior with all the garbage in it and, like, the exterior. And then you also get to see, like, how it ran, take it apart, like, engineering. Explain, like someone like that. That could really go into the battery.

[C]

You could do some great collabs. Yeah, engineering explained. You could do Larry.

[A]

Larry's gonna do it.

[C]

Rich rebels you for a. Yeah, yeah, for sure.

[A]

Maybe a little tavarish in there too.

[C]

You know, here's an interesting fact I have to this day. An original EV1 owner's manual. Really? Yeah.

[A]

Cool.

[C]

I was on eBay in 2000. It was before I moved to California, 2016, late at night, and it popped up somehow in my algorithm. And I bought it. It was like 30 bucks and I bought it in two seconds. And I've had it ever since.

[A]

I would love to see your ebay algorithm. License plates, owner's manuals, weird stuff.

[C]

One thing a lot of people don't know about this car is that I learned in the owner's manual, it had a keypad to start it. There were not keys. So they're gonna have to do an.

[A]

Lsr, Like a security code or something.

[C]

You typed in a code?

[A]

How many attempts do you get before it locks you out, I wonder?

[C]

It's explained. That exact thing is explained in the owner's manual. The owner's manual is great. It's got all these hand drawn Images of the EV1 and a person jumping out of the way or whatever owner's manuals have.

[A]

It doesn't look that terrible. And it kind of looks like a Gen 1 Viper from that particular angle.

[B]

Yeah, there's a lot of Gen 1.

[A]

Viper in a bad way.

[B]

Yeah, like a smushed, melted sort of way.

[C]

My presumption is this was on bill of sale. It said it had to be sold to a Georgia resident, which was odd. And the windshield's broken, which I. Yeah, you're not. Unless you broke when I was When I was a student in Atlanta, there was one at Georgia Tech's campus that was just sitting in a parking garage. Unloved. You break under the.

[A]

It kind of looks like.

[C]

Just take it.

[A]

Plexiglass or something. Which you could easily make.

[C]

It does kind of look like it's fixable.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Yeah. Pretty cool.

[A]

Please, someone get this back on the road. Sell it on car.

[C]

Someone will. I mean to spend over 100 grand. It's a museum. It's possibly GM themselves. It'd be cool if Jay was like, I'm sure he wasn't bidding on a random auto auction.

[B]

My third account.

[C]

GM would never go after Leno. You know, like if he bought.

[A]

That's true.

[C]

And he'd be into it.

[A]

The bidding list would be really interesting Rolodex to have.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Yes, it would be.

[C]

Yeah. Would have been cool. Kenneth, why didn't you drop the 100 grand on it?

[B]

Well, you know, it's not really a 109.

[A]

And then I think there was. Well, the buyer fees were another 13. So you're really in 120.

[B]

Nice value.

[C]

Good value for a car that hasn't run in 25 years. And even then when it ran it had 100 mile range and like 90 horsepower.

[B]

Right. You could have that or a 575. I think I'd pick the 575. But nonetheless, that is much cooler than a 575. Love to see it run.

[A]

I'd take the 575.

[C]

Yeah. I don't know. It'd be cool to see an EV1 like doing its thing.

[A]

As you and I are learning with the A2 and multiplus. Sometimes having.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Sometimes catching this is not worth the risk.

[C]

And multiplied. Yeah.

[B]

Oh, oh. Circle back to that one.

[C]

Quite as exciting as we thought, huh?

[A]

Driving it to Long beach both ways over the weekend. I'm good for a little while.

[C]

Yeah, that's the thing. And that's why I'm never doing it again. Okay, next new story. Nick. Oh, this must be Yee haw.

[A]

This is mine. There is a. This is just a concept. It's probably not going to happen. Although it should at a real American truck company. Not Toyota has a. Toyota builds the.

[C]

Trucks with non union labor. It doesn't get any more American than that. It doesn't get any more red blooded.

[A]

Conservative than that SEMA concept. So it's probably not going to happen. They did the dude. It is a throwback to an old TV show or something. No one really cares. However, there is a cowboy hat Holder on the dashboard. I think it's brilliant, even if it's just a little theater.

[C]

Would Papa have quit his cowboy hat?

[A]

Papa had a 94F150 and I used to sneak out in the middle of the night, me and my cousin Andrew, and we go do donuts in the cornfields and then return it. I remember one time we got carried away and we had to basically zip tie the bumper back on and then just pray to God none of our parents noticed the next day.

[C]

So did he never notice? Nope.

[A]

When it was a Ford, did you.

[C]

Still go out and do the donuts after?

[A]

Yeah, he had a lot of cars, so that was. That was just the one no one cared about.

[B]

God, you've lived such a story now.

[A]

The man had two Cadillac Elantes.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

So you think I'm the crazy one. In my family, someone had two weeks.

[C]

Where it started it. Cowboy hat holder. So this is a concept only. Nick, this isn't going to.

[A]

I know. Although it honestly looks no different than like a cell phone holder here. Like this shouldn't be that hard to retrofit. I'm sure there is a startup on Alibaba or Amazon that's already.

[B]

Stetson's going to bring one out. You know, it'll be an accessory.

[A]

My hat's a Stetson. It would look good like that, right?

[C]

Okay.

[A]

You could put your little child's helmet on it too.

[B]

It's Senna's helmet, for God's sake.

[C]

His literal helmet. He wore the. Yeah, wearing it when he crashed must.

[A]

Not have worked very well.

[C]

Oh, my God. What's our next news story, please?

[B]

All right. Ah, yes, this one's for me. So although this looks like a random drawing, this is very important. Ferrari recently filed a patent. Now, last week we talked about how Porsche was filing that patent for the W18 engine, which is very cool.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Ferrari, not to be outdone, also filed a patent. But this one is very interesting because it's about side exit exhaust, front engine, side exit exhaust. Now, I looked a little bit more at the patent and what's interesting is in a different picture they have very clearly it's for a V12. There are two rows of six cylinders and it all dumps out at the side. Now one can only imagine that this will be for something in the Icona series. But that said, yeah, automobile manufacturers file patents all the time. Doesn't necessarily mean they're going to make a car. But if you had to bet on it, it seems like a front engine V12 with side exit exhaust. Like an SLR.

[A]

I was going to say.

[C]

Do you know anything?

[A]

Mine's a V8.

[C]

You ever had a car with side exit exhaust?

[A]

I sure have. The Viper side exit. I mean there's plenty of cars.

[B]

Well yeah. But this is in front of. Front of like.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

There are cars like that. But there must be something specific about the routing or like how it's done with emissions.

[C]

Does it bother you that we both have V8 Mercedes convertibles with side exit exhaust?

[A]

I do want to get a picture with the SLR and the G500 together.

[C]

Yeah. It's sort of like the stepchildren.

[A]

What year is yours?

[C]

99.

[A]

All right. Mine a little newer.

[B]

That's such a Swiss picture. SLR and a G cab.

[A]

That feels very. And the.

[C]

Too. This is really cool and I am excited to see what turns out from it.

[B]

I am too. And I think this. This made me think of something deeper too. It's like cuz we've kind of lost Ferrari. We feel like Ferrari's lost the plot with the supercar thing. You know 288 through the Enzo makes sense. The la Ferrari. That all makes sense. And now it's gotten kind of weird with the murky.

[A]

Yep.

[B]

I think that the Icona series is now the most desirable cars that they make altogether.

[C]

Well sort of. The SP1 and 2 aren't desirable at all. So you have this weird issue. Few.

[B]

But if maybe. Yes.

[C]

Right.

[A]

I suppose I desire them.

[B]

They're kind of the same car.

[C]

Do you.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

You know what it is?

[A]

Yeah. No. The I. I like the one seater one version especially.

[B]

I like the SP1 and SP2.

[A]

To be clear.

[B]

I think in any V12 car with no windshield is insane.

[A]

I don't know if it belongs in that lineage but I drove it.

[C]

I thought the coolest thing I've ever driven. But not that's not got to wear one of these. But it's not like the Daytona SP3 is like legit.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah. The. And if this, this whatever this ends up being. If it's a. I don't know why they feel the need to have front exit exhaust, side exit exhaust.

[C]

We'll find out.

[B]

Why not. So I don't know. I think I'm very curious to see if this car ever comes into existence. And if it does it'll be cool. Ferrari's slr.

[A]

Congratulations Ferrari for inventing side exhausts. We're very proud of you.

[B]

The Italian would tell you we haven't. It's exit at the front decide this is what we make here.

[C]

Yes, they did have in the 50s, some cars that had like pipes coming off the mud.

[B]

Well, they were race cars.

[C]

You just, you know, maybe that's what this happened.

[B]

Straight to atmosphere.

[C]

Okay, give us our next news story.

[B]

Ah, yes, Rolls Royce. So this is the centenary edition, or the centenary edition. Rolls Royce Phantom. Now, they've done this before. They've done centenaries for Rolls Royce as a company. This is for the Phantom nameplate specifically.

[A]

Cool.

[B]

And Rolls Royce has gone to exceptional lengths to make this car something very opulent. So they're only going to build 25 of these to celebrate 100 years of the Phantom Y. And they've done a lot to the interior, not all of which I would call tasteful. This is what they feel.

[C]

Is that like a silver cloud on the seats?

[B]

Yes. So they.

[C]

Is that an early, like an 05 Phantom?

[B]

So there are 77 different hand stitch motifs in this and it's all supposed.

[C]

To have 77 in.

[B]

In this once.

[A]

Yes.

[C]

It's not. You choose between 77.

[A]

No, no, 76 wasn't enough. They said our buyers demand more stilled.

[B]

77 into this creation, which is. You remember the McLaren with the seats that look like someone crashed themselves being that bad.

[C]

Street art.

[B]

But it does not end there. There are also these separate panels that have like 45 different separate components. There's one on the dashboard that's like this. These ones are maps of their favorite driving roads, which when I think, when I think aggressive driving roads, what I want is a car that weighs more than a planet and has dinner plate wheels.

[A]

Wow.

[C]

But their favorite driving roads.

[B]

That's correct. It said specifically, they're geographical maps with winding routes and sweeping landscapes, floral elements and depictions for their experimental motor cars. They're the ones that Rolls Royce deemed the most significant formative on their journey.

[C]

For the fan, I will say it looks cool as hell. The exterior, they're only going to make 25.

[A]

The exterior is beautiful.

[B]

Well, yeah, but you know, the spread of Ecstasy is made out of 24 karat gold. It truly tasteless car. But the most tasteless thing about it is they said that these cars will for approximately 3 million each.

[C]

3 mil.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

Which is a lot more than a normal Phantom.

[C]

So you could have that or a ratty F50. Yep.

[B]

So, yeah. And you get to stare at this.

[C]

Well, you. Thankfully you don't have to stare at it because you're in the front, which hopefully doesn't look.

[B]

No, no, it's a Phantom. You're being driven, you're in the back. You're stuck staring at this crap, man. So I don't know. It's one of the ugliest interiors I've ever seen.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But, you know. But hey, good for Rolls Royce.

[C]

Glad they were able to distill it down to just 76, 77 motifs. Right.

[B]

Well, hey, for. For 75 million dol bring in.

[A]

Sure.

[C]

Whatever.

[A]

Imagine you get just like a tiny tear in that upholstery. Yeah. Can you patch that up? Right. Got to start over, Right? Yeah.

[C]

You.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

But you could add some more motifs.

[A]

It's like when you've got your whole arm with a tattoo sleeve. Like, you just keep adding more. Stuck with that till it's all black. That would be the move is just to fill the rest in.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Just like dump some black paint on it and you have black seat.

[B]

These seats look like they're out of a bus, though. The base cushion looks like that. And that looks like it's out of some.

[C]

I was going to say art deco bathroom looks like a 90s city.

[B]

It really does.

[C]

And then the regulatory seat belts are so funny. Okay. Is that the end of the news?

[B]

That's the end of the news.

[C]

Thank God. We have to move on to the talk car segment, which is huge this week because we have an actual spot. You know how I always say the talk car segment is sponsored by Brought.

[B]

To you by giraffe shirt.

[C]

We have an actual sponsor this week, and it's Peloti, and they make driving shoes such as these. And they are actually legitimately cool. They look good. Nick actually wears them.

[A]

These were not sponsored, which I'm, you know, bummed about. Yeah. Though they've been eaten by me, my dog. But I bought them when I got the Murcielago converted to stick so that I could shift my gears and modulate and heel toe a little bit better with the little round things.

[C]

That's the thing. They have roll control heels, which actually help you heel toe. It helps like smoother pedal transitions to help you heel toe. We're going to drive this weekend. I'm going to wear these on the drive. I'm very excited for it.

[A]

You know, what's surprising about them is I was like, oh, 200 bucks for like a pair of driving shoes. I don't know. But they're actually really comfortable as normal shoes. Like, despite having a flat bottom bottom like your. Your heels don't hurt. So I wear them all around.

[C]

But do you save them for your driving experience?

[A]

No, I'm as my dog chewed up sole show. Like, I'm Wearing them as normal shoes.

[C]

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[A]

Do I get that in a rears?

[C]

No.

[A]

Can you give me like 30 bucks?

[C]

You bought them anyway.

[A]

I know.

[B]

Sounds like you're due for a new pair.

[C]

They sent me these for free. How you feeling?

[A]

Give you 30 bucks.

[C]

We got a lot to talk about in the talk car segment. This is our most talkative.

[A]

Yeah, we do.

[C]

Talk car segment. In the history of talk car segments. Okay, I think the number one thing we got to talk about is. Well, wait, let me quickly. Let me do a very quick. The countach. I posted on Instagram that it broke down. It was fixed instantly, no big deal. And everybody's like, you were just saying it was reliable. Still is.

[B]

What was?

[C]

You want me to find out for you?

[B]

I'd love to. I believe it was something with the distributor.

[C]

I was driving. The distributor was the drive gear on the distributor was stripped. They replaced the drive gear, reset the engine timing. They were able to do this. The car broke down over the weekend and by Monday it was all good. I'm gonna do a whole video about it on my channel.

[B]

Okay, great. I love that.

[C]

But that's the basics and it was no big deal. And I wanna say this.

[A]

A whole video on a 24 hour turnaround fix.

[C]

Well, that's why it's my fun.

[A]

Sounds great.

[C]

Everybody's like, oh, oh, you were just saying it was reliable and now it jinxed it as far as I'm concerned. If you're trying to daily ish a 43 year old supercar to have one breakdown and the fix is like this. 4 hours of labor. I still feel it's pretty reliable, right?

[B]

It is. And ultimately two and a half years. It also kind of underscores like how basic that car actually is. It's not like modern supercars where we figured out would take a team of engineers.

[C]

There's all these fears about this car, but like it's just an old car now. There's some stuff that's real. You address that stuff on your schedule when you're supposed to maintenance. But you know, repairs and stuff.

[B]

At the end of the day, it's not that crazy.

[A]

Especially a carbureted car. Like same with my dad's 67 Mustang, like distributor cap, take it off, make sure it's not corroded. Like clean them and put it back like it's.

[B]

Fix that thing with a screwdriver and a hose pipe, couple of gold ones.

[C]

And Nick has done it before. I have. He and Papa went out there.

[A]

We did.

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[C]

We gotta talk about the SLR you've announced on your channel.

[A]

The slr? I'm no longer embargoing myself. I watched last week's in part because Hoovy broke my embargo. So.

[C]

Yeah, what was that? I watched last week's podcast and you weren't really hiding much. No, the car was sitting behind.

[A]

I just didn't want to distract from the Murcielago while the auction was still live. And also I wanted to have a video to go along with it before I really talked about it. Both of those are true. So the Murcielago. We'll just quickly touch on that since it wasn't. It was partially discussed on the podcast, but got $290,000. The buyer is paid it actually just got picked up like an hour ago by the shipper.

[C]

It's going to Denver.

[A]

Going to Denver. Denver. An enthusiast bodied who has a 355 GTS, a McLaren 650, like a Super cool guy. Him and I have been like chatting. He's very much of our. He's like, I create a three ring binder for every car and like, so I've sent him all my service records.

[C]

When I was a child in Denver, seeing this would have changed my life.

[A]

You know what's even crazier? There's a guy five minutes from his house that has a Grigio on Terrace Murcielago roadster that was also converted by Machina Moto.

[C]

You're kidding me.

[A]

Five minutes away. So they're gonna have like twin cars, basically. Wow. So that car sold. I was thrilled with the outcome and now I can like focus on the SLR now that that's like off my plate mentally. And I cannot tell you how much I love the slr.

[C]

I'm so thrilled to hear that because there's so much BS about the SLR out there from people who have never even been near one, people who've never even seen one in their lives. And you've now driven one for quite some time.

[A]

It really, it surprised me. I. I mean, having never driven one before buying it and it arriving, you expect a Mercedes. I was expecting an SL 500, a grandpa car. I was expecting it to be like soft, floaty, quiet, compliant, like very usable, but like, maybe boring. This car feels so much faster than the Mercy. It just like makes you giggle and squeal like a squirrel girl. Like, I scared my wife, like literally the first drive. She's like, please stop doing this, this. And she's written in the Murcia Lago plenty, like, like she was as surprised as I was at just how fast and raw and analog it was.

[C]

At one point, Nick texted, we have a group thread, me and Ken and a few other people. And Nick said, my life will be measured in pre. I'm trying to find these. My life will be measured in pre slr. From now on, going forward, my life will be measured in pre SLR and post slr.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

And you said something like, this is the greatest experience I've ever had. Or something like that.

[A]

It feels like a religious experience to me. I'm. I'm just, I'm getting like four miles per gallon. Cause it's just like. Then like, I just like giggle, giggle, giggle. Like I'm just doing that over and over again, like, I'm a boy who discovered his first.

[C]

What?

[B]

What?

[A]

Nick, Finish the bug toy car.

[C]

I'm so pumped for you. I think this is so great. I think the SLR is undervalued. I think it is cool as hell to dive. It's sitting over there. I think it is so cool to look at.

[A]

It's very special to look at. But what I appreciated over the weekend. So it was my birthday, My wife and I went out on a date. We went to pickleball. No one looked at me. Yeah, right. Like I am used to. Between the multipla, the Mercy, even the Bentley. I'm used to getting stared at every time I go somewhere. And not a soul ever even looked twice. And so, to me, that's wonderful because I can go places kind of anonymously. But at the same time, like, if you're an enthusiast, you look at it and you're like, holy crap, that is neat.

[C]

It is a supercar that you can, like, really, truly use. It is a very usable car.

[B]

They're kind of experiencing what he experienced with the Carrera gt and that only the people who know, the people you'd actually want to have conversations with, as opposed to, what do you do for a living? And that sort of thing. Those people notice it, and everybody else just thinks.

[C]

The drawback of the Courier gt, though, is it's so much more fragile. And I think one of the cool things about the SLR is you can use it. Like the approach angles, the departure angles. It's like a normal car.

[A]

It doesn't have axle lift, which is the only bummer relative to the Mercy. I might have scraped the front bumper down just a touch.

[C]

That said, what's under there, like the Countach is no problem to scrape. You just paint it.

[A]

Every so often. There's a. I mean, there's a little overhang of the bumper and then under trace from that. Yeah, but. And I just got a little bit of the bumper, but it's going to Kevin for paint protection film tomorrow.

[C]

Oh, good. It doesn't have PPF at all.

[A]

No. And it's only got 4800 miles. Like, the paint's pristine.

[C]

I also think you just bought the perfect one because it had had this electrical incident. Incident. We're not calling it a fire. There were no flames.

[B]

Just like Vietnam was a conflict.

[A]

A minor short like I've had in.

[C]

My Bentley three times because it had this incident. You know, it's priced at a level where it should be a higher mileage car at price that Point. So you can really enjoy the miles without kind of worrying about. Even though it's a super low mileage.

[B]

Car and ultimately the condition is excellent because it hasn't been driven.

[C]

The silver is beautiful.

[A]

Nicest car I've ever had.

[B]

The lights are nice.

[A]

Hoovy took good care of it, despite his reputation for being a hoopty guy. Like. Like, it needs nothing. It came with the Fleetwood Mac CD in the trunk. Like, I'm thrilled.

[C]

Hoovy and April out. Listen to Fleetwood Mac. Yeah.

[A]

Steely Dan. He blames the previous owner, which was Wayne Carini and Dennis Collins. However, somewhere along that lineage had some boomerish taste to music, which I don't mind. Steely Dan's not so bad, but, yeah, you know, next time around, listen. I assume that's what you listen to.

[B]

You're correct. It is.

[A]

I checked it out. I didn't hate it.

[B]

Steely Dan is on the soundtrack of my life.

[A]

All right.

[C]

Oh, my God. Two guys from Ohio talking about Steely Dan. How lovely.

[A]

I am so thrilled, though. And it is funny because you and I have joked that, hey, on the podcast, we say what we're looking to buy, then the cars kind of find us. And that's what happened with the SLR. And I hope that happens with you and your 993.

[C]

Folks. I'm ready to get a 993 Turbo. I'm ready to get an Arena Red 993 Turbo. I was on the 993 forums the other day, and somebody posted all proudly. They had just bought a 993 Turbo. They had just begun living, you know what?

[B]

The dream, the Fantasy, it's pre 993 Turbo, Doug. And there will eventually be post 993 Turbo.

[A]

I went to Radwood over the weekend, and you ruined it for me because there was one for sale with the for sale sign at 200,000 miles. Literally everyone came up to me and said, hey, Nick. Or whatever. They said, hey, did you see the993? You should text Doug. You should text Doug. I'm like, I have. He's seen it. He's not interested. It's too many. Miles. Miles, please, like, introduce yourself something else. No, actually, legitimately, though, it's amazing. And people were really nice.

[C]

GMEV1. You know, the number of people who sent me the GME V1. When you get to. When you get to, like, be, like, a figure, which you're now, as far as I'm concerned, the number of people you could. If an SLR is in the news.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

You're gonna get hundreds of people. Everybody that you've ever met or heard about is gonna send you and be like, here's something. And you're gonna to have to politely reply.

[B]

Unlike the third podcast we ever did or whatever. I mentioned the Volkswagen Golf, like W12. I. Yeah, hundreds and hundreds of people send me.

[A]

It is help.

[B]

Instagram, post office.

[A]

It is. Like when I said I'm looking for a multiple, a lot of people did reach out and give me some legitimate leads on it. So it is good. It just. It's a lot.

[B]

Yeah, I. It's. I love it. I'm very happy people think of. Think of us.

[C]

Okay, tell me about the 1990s car show that you went to over the weekend.

[B]

1980S and 90s.

[C]

80S and 90s.

[A]

It was actually really, really fun. What I learned about Radwood is we go to a lot of like, cars and coffees and there's Ferrari 458s everywhere. And you kind of get like numb to just seeing supercar after supercar after supercar. Radwood brings out the best kind of enthusiasts and the best kind of cars. I mean, there was everything from like a 1980s Ram pickup that was just like survivor bone stock to like lowriders with graphics and body drops. And there was also some nice cars. Like the Petersen brought out an EB110, a 959. The multipla was there, parked between the porta potties and a test Testarossa, which.

[B]

Where it belongs.

[A]

I love it. And Art, the director, it's like a.

[C]

It's like a. Yep.

[B]

It's a graph. It's like the ascendancy, the multiple of the testrosa.

[A]

I think it was intentional and I love it. Like, so everyone there has a sense of humor. The people there are so nice. It felt like a more diverse crowd and a like, very, very positive way. Like, people are just into different. Like one person came up to me goes, you mentioned on the pod in Acura Vigor and then put on the. The screen a legend. And they were like, that really bothered me. And I'm like, that is the type of person that goes to Radwood. You know, like, I. That is a real enthusiast and I loved it.

[C]

For whoever that was, that bothers me too. The Vigor, as we all know, was.

[A]

A five cylinder, like an Audi.

[C]

We've had some five cylinders. We have.

[A]

We have, yeah. Double dap.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

So, yeah, it was. It was a thrill. I did not win anything, which I.

[C]

Was going to say, you didn't Win. The last time you were at Radwood, you. You won.

[A]

I did, I did. I was hoping for it to beat. I think I needed, like, graphics and a little bit more 90s flare. Although I wore neon green hammer pants, a pink ball cap. Like, I tried really hard.

[C]

I agree with your assessment of Redwood. I think Redwood is a super fun event. I've only won to one because I.

[A]

They're all. This one was way better than the. The last one that you got.

[C]

The one I went to was when you showed your XP8, your saline explorer. And you won with the best SUV, right?

[A]

Yeah. Radus.

[C]

Radus SUV. And it was a killer. My Countach won Radus car at Radwood 2018 or something.

[A]

There was a 40th anniversary there.

[C]

Covenant 40th anniversary.

[A]

2020 5th anniversary.

[C]

He's still in Mercy.

[B]

I know he's a Mercy guy at.

[C]

Heart, but it is such a fun show. And I'll tell you something, as a guy who like really lived through that era and is into those and has driven all the supercars, the stuff that's more appealing to me now is like the Survivor Caravans and Acura Vigors and things like that.

[B]

Everybody took care of an F40. So few people took care of those cars. And that's just. I would. It really catches your eye when you see a clean one.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. And there was everything. There was like, just.

[C]

And that's what I remember going to the one that you and me went to when he was showing his car, like, clean, like Mazda 626. Like stuff that just shouldn't have been saved.

[B]

Remember two things about that. That. And on the way there, we saw a 355 broken down on the frame. You said. You said to me, are you sure you want to buy a 355?

[C]

I did.

[B]

Anyway.

[C]

It wasn't even Redwood related. It was on the 73. It was like two hours before Redwood.

[B]

They were headed. I think I know where.

[C]

You think so?

[B]

Yeah, absolutely. They would have gotten there about the same time. I think it was.

[C]

It was Orange County.

[B]

Yeah. It also is Orange County.

[A]

I was pleased. The multipa. Despite it being like a lot of time in that. That car. It does freeway speeds fine. Like it.

[C]

Yeah, it.

[A]

It got me there and back without issue or drama, which it is not a lot of folks there. Like, the one guy was like, I had a broken foot. I drove down from like Seattle or somewhere crazy. And I realized mid drive, the cruise control didn't work. You know, like, people really sacrificed to get their cars there. And I'm like, yeah, it was like a hour and a half leisurely drive in the morning.

[C]

And the multiple are so cool. They must have been, it must have been a huge hit. Yeah.

[A]

You know, a lot of people came up super excited.

[C]

People who knew about. They've been watching or they're just. Just people who are like who are you and why.

[A]

I think both. Yeah. I mean a few people came up to me like craz and I'm not used to being recognized or called crazy by strangers but like get used to it. That was really fun. And then other people are just like what on earth is this thing? And then you get to explain it. And I just hung out around the car most of the time watching people engage with the car and be impressed by the car. And it made my day. Like I had such a fun time.

[C]

It looked cool. I'm sad I couldn't go. I was out of town. I love Radwood. I love going to Radwood and if they ever did one in San Diego.

[A]

I know it would change my life.

[C]

They think SoCal is LA. What about I US?

[A]

It is, it is just far enough. Especially since you, you can't leave early so you, if you're showing your car, you're committed the whole day. So I left at like 7:30am and I think I got home at 6.

[C]

Yeah, that's the problem.

[A]

It's a long day.

[C]

Speaking of the whole day, Kenan has an experience that he did. Kenan went to Mexico City this week for the Formula one race.

[B]

Yes, as I mentioned, I went to see, see the Grand Prix from our friend Kevin's bachelor party. And you couldn't be there cuz you're out of town. You couldn't be there cuz it was your birthday day. But it was awesome. We had a great time. Mexico City is an amazing place and the car enthusiasts in Mexico City are wild. Like there's some great stuff there. A lot of it is hidden admittedly, but like there's some amazing cars there. We, we just went and got dinner at like this buddy that was just like around and we were talking to the like a. It was an expedition, an Eddie Bauer expedition drove by Nice. And like we were all freaking out over that and they like knew we were car people so they like brought their phones up and like showing us cars and it was like they're flipping through and like McLaren Fong, whatever. And then E39.5 and I lost my mind, which I, I was thrilled about. But we went to the race and the Race was so much fun. In case you don't know.

[C]

The.

[B]

The circuit cuts through an old baseball stadium. So it's like the actual track goes through the middle which is really cool. And it's very hard on the cars cuz you're at high elevation. So brakes are. Cooling is a problem in general. So they run like special engine covers with like just huge slices in them. The race itself wasn't super super.

[C]

I saw a track Marshall almost got hit. Were you there for that?

[B]

No, that was a different corner. But that was crazy. And that was like the FAA is investigating that and how that happened. It was a wild race.

[C]

A lot happened.

[B]

But the coolest thing I think that you two would appreciate at the beginning was the driver parade. This happened like there a number of manufacturers, you know, obviously make cars as well in addition to race cars. So they put the drivers in equivalents of what those cars are for. McLaren, they had an MP412C Spider for some reason.

[C]

Because it was local.

[B]

Because it was local. But you know what else was local? An F50 and a LaFerrari Epic Perta. And so Lewis Hamilton and Charlotte Claire were in a. The blue carbon F50 which everybody was freaking out about like oh, it's the rare blue carbon. It's like, well, it's modified. The car started out its life red, but it was nonetheless. It's like we, we didn't know it was going to be there. We just saw this F50 on the track. I was like, oh my God.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

And then they got it and just like sat on the engine cover and I saw that. I was shocked by that because yeah.

[C]

I've held how those driver terrains go.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And the la Ferrari apparent too because the Ferrari engine powers some of some of their cars. Like they're, they're, they're Dr. Drivers in those too. But like it was just like so cool to see this car trouble you.

[C]

That the highlight of the Formula one race was when a streetcar drove around the track.

[B]

Well, and as an F1, a real F1 engine, something you can.

[C]

Yeah, like just like my career.

[A]

My highlight of that photo was Max Verstappen just behind the F50 in a Ford Mustang base model that looked like he went to Hertz and they're like, oh, for $10 more you can get a convertible.

[B]

I don't know.

[A]

Why did they not try it all.

[C]

Use local people's cars.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yes. And admitted, I mean not all of the manufacturers then make those cars. There are like end engine manufacturers. Like your SLR could have been. Could be a Formula 1.

[A]

Be a lot cooler than a V6 Mustang.

[C]

Cadillac is running. They're going to have people on.

[B]

Well, that was the other thing. The number. Yeah, because Sergio Perez, the Mexican driver, is going to drive for Cadillac next year. The number of like Cadillac hats and things you saw with tents, which is cool. I'm excited to see another team on the grid.

[C]

2.

[B]

Technically, Audi is going to replace Sauber, but. But nonetheless, it was like, yeah, the race was exciting for me and that a Ferrari finished second, which is kind of sad. That's what we have to celebrate. But that's their, you know, first podium of the year, which is kind of sad. Is that true or. It's not their first podium of the year, but it's like. It was looking like they were going to. Like we're going to have a Lewis Hamilton. Two like Charlotte Clerk and Lewis Hamilton. Unfortunately, Hamilton ran a penalty 10 seconds, didn't end up on the podium, but.

[C]

Nonetheless, nothing like penalty.

[B]

But they didn't win, which was sad. Landon Norris won the race, but we were really hoping Ferrari would win. But nonetheless, they at least were standing on the top steps.

[C]

I'm proud of you. I'm glad you like Mexico City. I think Mexico City is one of the coolest places. My personal view on take on the car scene in Mexico City was not as positive as yours, though I did enjoy the smattering of Dodge Neons from all generations.

[B]

I enjoyed that too. Saw a neon SRT4, which is very cool.

[A]

Wow. Yeah.

[B]

Real in Mexico City.

[C]

But I deeply love Mexico City and it sounds like a cool place to go see a Formula one race.

[B]

Oh, really cool. And I highly recommend that if anybody get. If you're a Formula one fan, you've.

[A]

Never been to a.

[B]

To a race, find one that is accessible to you. I highly encourage you to look at going to foreign countries. It's expensive to get there, but once you are, the tickets aren't so bad. But it's so cool to see the cars and hear the cars and smell them and the whole thing. In person, it's a much different experience and everyone should do it. If you can.

[C]

You've been to a Formula One race?

[A]

I went to Vegas for FP1 and that was the year that then someone ran over a manhole and they shut it all down. So forth. I saw like a lap of a free practice one, but that's it.

[B]

But you got to meet David Coulthard, didn't you?

[A]

Yeah, no, yeah. We were like VIP with the whole trip next Year.

[C]

Let's you and me go to Vegas together. Just the two of us.

[A]

Can we wrestle?

[B]

There's still time.

[C]

Okay. This year, anyway, Formula One, Canon Son F50. That's the highlight of the Formula One experience.

[A]

That's a good weekend.

[B]

It's pretty good. And we celebrated, Kevin. That's what really counts.

[C]

I got two talk cars, things I want to talk about. Can you pull up the slides, please?

[B]

Yes.

[C]

That's a Mercedes GLK I've seen, by the way. These talk car segments are only for the viewers. These two will not care about either one. I'm doing these only for. For you watching at home. This is a Mercedes Benz GLK. I was in Washington, D.C. all week. Not a lot of cool cars there. So, Anyway, Mercedes Benz GLK, normal GLK, regular model, base model, GLK350. Except. Except, look a little closer, Canon. There's a picture of the GLK on the glk.

[B]

Well, that's suspicious.

[C]

You ever see that before?

[A]

I have, because you texted it to me two days ago and I didn't care then.

[C]

I'll tell you something.

[A]

I still don't care.

[C]

Now, if you're a car enthusiast, you still don't put a picture of your car on your car.

[B]

No, because I remember what it looks like.

[C]

But if you have a glk, you especially don't put a picture of your car on your car.

[B]

But it makes me wonder. We had that gok with the V8 swap. The guy did the manual.

[C]

Oh, you think that's this?

[B]

Well, this guy might be an enthusiast. Maybe.

[C]

It says there's no enthusiast who owns a glk. There's not one. There was one. I don't know how you'd get one of these decals.

[B]

You have the. You have some crazy shirts of cars that are very obscure. You're right, though. I don't know what's going. I'd love to know the story.

[C]

If you have a glk, how do you care enough to put a GLK sticker on your glk?

[A]

Doug is the kind of guy that really love it.

[C]

Would put a GLK sticker on a glk, but I would never have a GLK in the first place. I promise you, 90% of people who have GLKs don't know what they're driving.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Period.

[B]

I love the glk.

[A]

That was just what was in stock.

[C]

Or, like, what their parents bought them as a used car. Because this is a $7,000 used car. Now, please bring up the next slide, which is this. Now, Nick, are you aware of why this is special. Special.

[A]

The wheels imply that it is a heavy duty version.

[C]

The wheel, very good. That's very good.

[A]

That's all I know.

[C]

This is a guy who grew up with horses.

[A]

Those windows also look to be like.

[C]

Bulletproof or if you spend any time in Washington D.C. you will see armored heavy duty Yukons in Suburbans. They're common. However, this one is particularly interesting and you'd have to have quite an eye to notice. And there'll be nine viewers who are going to be like, yes, yeah, they never made GM at any point in the history of the Suburban, never made a short wheelbase heavy duty. But this is a short wheelbase heavy duty. And not only that, but it's a Denali. So some big wig is getting driven around in a non existent short wheelbase heavy duty and in a Denali. Our tax dollars aren't going to put these people in base models anymore. They want luxury. This is a crazy car. If you're into these heavy duty GM SUV SUV's and there is a group of people who are really into them, this is a really unusual vehicle.

[A]

It looks weird being that short.

[B]

It does look very weird.

[A]

Heavy duty shouldn't be that short.

[C]

The eight lug wheels, it's crazy. Obviously it's also bulletproof. But a lot of, a lot of these big SUVs in D.C. are bulletproof. But this is a really unusual car to see a shorty heavy duty and to see a Yukon being used or for a Denali being used for this purpose.

[A]

You know what? They're not using Toyota Sequoia. You know why? Why? Why? Because they want an American car.

[C]

You know, the Sequoia. That's actually an interesting point. The Sequoia is built in the United States and so it would qualify for the Buy American Act. They should be using Sequoias.

[A]

I think it's great that they're using Denali's big fan.

[C]

They're driving. You're cool with the fact that they're driving around in ventilated rear seats.

[A]

I mean, it's not like it's an iq, there's levels. It's not a Range Rover full size, which is what they really wanted. And they settled with the Denali solid column.

[C]

What do you think Papa would say about his tax dollars going to buy these people luxury products?

[A]

He would say, at least it's not a Cadillac.

[B]

At least it's not a Cadillac.

[C]

It is never a Cadillac.

[B]

That is, I have driven thousands of Cadillacs.

[C]

Well, hundreds, but it's the same thing. Denali is an Escalade Yeah, but this is a cool car. If you're into this stuff, please leave a comment and make sure and let me know that I'm not the only one. Our talk car segment is done. Oh, unless you want to talk about. About the A2.

[B]

So the Audi A2. So I was here late at the office the other night cleaning the M5, getting it dialed in and I went to leave and it was very misty and I don't like to. I had just spent hours making the car perfect and I was like, oh, I could drive whatever. But then I noticed that the Audi A2 was looking lonely in the car. So I grabbed. I was also like, you know what? It needs to be driven. Cuz you're not really driving it and.

[A]

Neither is anybody else.

[C]

No, not really. I filmed one video with it and I haven't touched it since then. But to all those who believe that it's my car.

[A]

Right?

[B]

So I went. It's. It's the company's car. So I went and drove it with those embarrassing plates that you got. And it's a perfectly acceptable, boring car. I really love the shifter. The clutch is not very good. It's well made, it's well thought out. And I thought it was actually kind of enjoyable. It was fun driving a little car for the first time in a long time. And it's very odd. It's. It has some odd things. When you downshift, it won't let you do full throttle to like blip it like limits how much you can do. You can only do like a third throttle. It's like.

[C]

Doesn't want you to hit. Too crazy.

[B]

Too bad they didn't have you. Gets. That's crazy.

[C]

Maybe it's just that slow to rev.

[B]

No, well, that too. But I actually really enjoy driving it. And it is. Nobody notices it.

[C]

Like no. Yeah, for sure. Everyone enjoys driving it the first time. Yep.

[B]

Maybe if it's misty again, I'll drive it a second time.

[C]

Not worth it.

[B]

Not worth it. But I enjoyed it. Needs windshield wipers and alignment, but outside of that, it's.

[A]

It drives much nicer than the model Multipla. However, the Multipla is weird enough that it at least evokes like joy and surprise by people versus the A2 is just like forgettable.

[C]

I am curious about that because it sounds like you're kind of implying that.

[A]

I mean, I'm daily driving it. So unlike. And I have had some people actually stop in traffic in a turn lane and be like, oh my gosh, I've Been wanting to see that. So like it's fun to daily it for that perspective. But like the Bentley is like if I'm taking my kids sometimes somewhere like that has 600 foot pound of torque and is like actually fun to drive. The multiple is like it's 100 horsepower diesel.

[C]

What's the latest on the Bentley, Nick? Is it running?

[A]

It's on its third mechanic in three months. They texted today. It's been there a week saying they're going to start work on it today.

[C]

This is why I never want to own an ornage.

[A]

It's going to be sold as soon as I can get it fixed, which may never happen.

[B]

He might just be stuck with this.

[A]

It is as bad as everyone.

[B]

Well, you bought a bad one also I understand a new one, a nicer one would maybe eventually get this point and you worked on it with the battery plugged in.

[C]

Will you admit now that maybe going the Doug root sometimes and buying a nicer one so you don't have to do all this BS maybe is a good idea.

[A]

But this one was purple. There'll be no get purple, no reserve. It was a deal.

[C]

It was a deal because it was trash. And it hasn't run right since you bought it a year ago.

[A]

It ran well for a couple months until Sean borrowed it.

[C]

Dude, you're going to get destroyed.

[A]

I'm going to get destroyed. I thankfully walked away with the mercy with a little spending change in my pocket. It's all going to cancel out the Arnoj.

[B]

If you had just spent up the equivalent amount that you spent on a nice Arnage, you wouldn't.

[A]

I agree. But then what would be the fun in that?

[B]

A functional car.

[A]

I could go buy a Denali and whoa, whoop dee doo.

[C]

I agree with you that it's more enjoyable for the content to have a car that has some foibles. But your Arnouj has not been running right in a year.

[A]

I've driven it like twice in the last two months. Both times are to or from a mechanic. So yeah, it's a little tiresome.

[C]

Okay, we gotta move on to the market report which we don't have much time for because the questions this week are very good. Let's talk market report and specifically Nick, start us off with the R63.

[A]

Since I got the SLR all of two weeks ago, I've been obsessed with the idea of getting an R63. What I have found is why?

[C]

Because you want like to be a.

[A]

Mercedes, the ultimate two car combo, but ideally like silver. But what I found is there were not many R63s to begin with. So often there's none for sale or there's like a one for sale. Most of them are miled up meaning well over 100,000 miles. A lot of them are modified because like it was mostly owned by enthusiasts at this point. A lot of them are wrecked as well because they were not preserved. You drove them. So usually it's 6,100 thousand miles plus an accident on the carfax, some mods that are questionable. This has none of that. It's what, 60 some thousand miles? It is no accidents. They did the headline bolts. It is beautiful. Yes. So like this is a. I won't say once in a lifetime opportunity, but it's one where. Find me another one. Find me another one this nice. So I want to buy one. But it's also. This is like the opposite of my Bentley. It's too nice for me, the SLR.

[C]

Owner to afford to use this though.

[A]

Oh, and it's got three rows. I mean this, this solves every problem I have in life in this.

[C]

Are you going to bid?

[A]

I. I'm just going to comment and pull a filippo here really because this is.

[C]

It's a pretty. That's a.

[B]

Is a Filipo.

[A]

I should bet on it.

[C]

Well, why not? Nick, you're about to sell the Bentley. In theory, yeah.

[A]

I mean I really need to sell the Bentley first.

[C]

Yeah. But these never come up like you said. So I looked it up. They sold 113 in North America and they only two other good things about it. They only made about 200 globally. So it's super rare and it was built in Alabama. So papa would be happy.

[A]

Papa would be very proud. The important part too is. I forgot there was an important part to it though.

[C]

You're not interested in this?

[A]

No, I'm very interested in it. I think it will set a new high water mark for the R63 because it is so clean compared to a lot of the other ones that have sold.

[C]

I wish it had the original wheels. These are GL63 wheels which probably fit the R63 a little better. However, I really love finding a set of these is like, I mean there's only 200 of these cars. So it does basically. Right.

[B]

But also, I mean this one we sold last year, Nick, and this was 35 and had 140,000 miles.

[C]

So like you're right, they often get miled up. The one that I did a video video on which was years ago, it was this like Ukrainian dude in Philly and it had a rebuilt title and a ton of miles but it was like an R63 was what I could find.

[A]

It also feels like this is the ultimate multipla. Like it's kind of the same shape and ugliness as a multipla but with the 6.2 liter V8, you know like how awesome.

[C]

I agree. I will tell you having driven one one of the few people in the world who has. Yeah it's not a dynamic masterpiece.

[B]

It's just a minivan with a big engine.

[A]

That's probably why people mod them is is to try to make it a little bit more engaging like an RS6 where it's.

[C]

I do think it's cool as hell.

[B]

Oh it's so cool. I've only ever seen two my entire life.

[C]

I've seen a very very similar.

[A]

A lot of them that I've seen across the web sell + or/40 which is still a lot of. I mean it's a lot for this era. 6.2AMG otherwise a lot of the.

[C]

An E class, an E63 sedan is.

[A]

Like a 15 car and an R320 or whatever is like a $5,000 car.

[C]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

But I think this one will do much better than that just given how well kept it it was and people that aren't as stupid as me buying a. A beat up Bentley that that will pay an extra for that.

[C]

On the subject of Mercedes Benz, I want you to bid on this car legit. I think you really should. This will hold its value like crazy. The head bolts are done. You're going to regret not buying this car if you don't buy it.

[A]

I am going to regret not buying it.

[C]

Will another one will not come up for over a year.

[B]

Think about how cool we can look at car we rolling deep in this thing.

[C]

It's so cool.

[A]

Mercedes themselves brought one to car week last year. Remember it was a red one. So of those 200 Mercedes corporate of America America owns at least one of.

[C]

Them and it's 200 globally. It's only 113 for North America.

[A]

Yeah. And some of them are probably 112 for the rest of us.

[C]

And apparently seven of those were in Canada and Alabama. Bill non union.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Okay, I Want to talk E55 real quick. We just sold a really nice. You can just type E. We just sold a really nice. This one a 2001 E55 01 is a face scroll down. It was like 60,000 miles. 70,000 miles. Very low for this powertrain that's like barely getting broken in. It was so facelift cars were 0102, only 17 grand. This car is still a bargain. Yeah, I owned one of these. It is the car that I most think about that I sold. It is not my yellow Defender which was so associated with me. It is this car. I loved my 210,055, especially one that hasn't been miled up, which is getting harder and harder to find. And especially not a pre facelift car which just wasn't as nice. Nice inside or out. This is a really nice car, really good miles, and it's only 17 grand. It's fun to drive, it's reliable, it's fast, it's better than an E39 M5. There's a lot of great things about it.

[B]

Every magazine tester on the period disagrees with that and so do I.

[C]

But it is for 17 though.

[B]

But that's the thing. E39 M5 values have gone.

[C]

What would a 72,000mile nice E39 M5 sell for 35?

[B]

Probably more than that. Maybe for Inferno 1. It's kind of. But yeah, yeah, I mean, I agree. I think the T10 is one of the most compelling cars Mercedes Benz made. I think they are dramatically undervalued and they shouldn't be.

[C]

And they're getting harder to find in nice shape and they've come up like I bought basically this exact same car in Atlanta 12 years ago for 12 grand. They've come up barely, but not much.

[A]

Inflation has kept pace with that.

[C]

So look at the interior too. These interiors hold up like shocking. Well, I, I don't necessarily know that they hold up in terms of design and style, but the materials are high quality, they're really nice, and they generally don't get a lot of the cracks and stuff that you see in the 124s and even some of the later cars. I love this.

[B]

This one's worn but not crazy. But I, I, it just looks the side Prof. Look at those.

[C]

Yeah, great. I truly this car drives great too. It is a great powertrain that just, just feels smooth. Smooth and powerful at all parts of the rev range. There's no waiting for a turbo to spool. There's no peaky BS like in certain other brands, cars from this era.

[B]

I love these cars. My Grandfather had a 210 420.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

GD we called him for granddad.

[C]

GD.

[B]

He had an E420 for the longest time and I always looked at the 55 and I was like oh man, I wish he got the 55 but I love the 210. They're so solidly made and I just adore those cars.

[C]

I think it's incredibly cool. I can't believe there's still only this much money. I thought they were going to take off and that that was going to be that. And they never really.

[B]

The transmission is not inspiring. I think that's not.

[C]

But I would daily the hell out of this car. Like it's not a car I would take on back roads. But if you're looking for like a fun daily, it is reliable, it is holding its value, it holds up well. It's not that expensive to own compared to a lot of other AMG cars. It is a very reasonable car for this money. I think it's. If you got 20 grand and you wanted to fund your daily buy that or a Z06 Kenan, you got to give us your market report. 512 TR.

[B]

Oh yes. We have a very cool 512 Testosa site now. I always, always love the 512 TR. I think the, the improvements they did to this car dramatically changed the. The test of platform. They got r. They like lowered the engine cuz they got rid of the subframe that sits in so it handled much better. They've added magnesium wheels, much better suspension geometry. Revisit styling a little bit. Much better car than looks better interior is better. It just is better Y But the interesting thing about this one is that it is a Euro and it has miles on it. Quite a few miles. 120,000 kilometers. Good for the guy who drove this thing which is nuts on one of these cars because think about how many times that engine has been in and out and in and out of that engine vapor. Probably quite a lot.

[C]

This car, despite the plates which are from Vienna on Austria. It is in the US it is on a US title.

[B]

It's in Washington, I believe. Washington State.

[C]

What a crazy thing.

[B]

What a crazy thing. No comps, no. Chris Harris's 512 TR has a ton of miles on it too. I think those pop like 150,000 kilometers or something. And he drives it a lot. That great video of him sliding around south of France like. But I, I think this is such a compelling, such a compelling car. I'm really curious where it ends up because 512trs are really valuable cars like in the. In the three hundreds regularly.

[C]

But almost all of them have very.

[B]

No miles and are US cars. So I'm very curious to see where this One ends up. But it's really appealing to someone who likes to drive cars like me.

[C]

I agree. I am very curious to see also. It's at 105. It just. It just goes listed.

[B]

Yep. I. I love. I Love him. Ferraris. My 355 had a lot of miles on it, too. So very curious to see where it ends up. God, it looks good.

[A]

It does look good.

[C]

On to the questions. Questions, questions, questions. The questions are this week are sponsored by Pelot. Now, they're not actually, but you know what? God love them for sponsoring.

[B]

God love.

[C]

So in addition to sponsoring the Talk car segment, we're going to give them a little bonus. They're sponsoring the question segment.

[A]

2 size 11.

[B]

Grazie mille. Size 11. Makes sense.

[A]

Gotta eat.

[C]

You know, what would you do with yours?

[A]

I'd wear them.

[C]

What would you do with the existing ones that were chewed by the dog?

[A]

Well, I'd just get a different color.

[C]

Okay, so you already even have the shoe. This would just be supplemental, really.

[A]

Yeah. Some people have more than one pair of shoes.

[C]

Yeah, true. Okay. There's great questions this week, and we don't have as much time for it as I wish we did. First question from Ford Prefect. Question for Kenan. Kenan, as much as you like the NA Miata, why not just go ahead and get one? The purchase price is low. It isn't going to lose value. It'll keep miles off the M5. You'll have a great time driving it. It's cheap to own, and Emily is sure to love it.

[B]

All very good points. I think the. The reason I. The reason is that it is I like cars with very big engines. It's the kind of type of car that I like. My M5 has a large engine. Other cars I'm looking at have very large engines. The Dodge Viper has a large. It's just. I like lots of torque and power. And admittedly, that's the complete opposite end of the spectrum of what an NA is. I. The other thing is that, like, I can kind of own an NA whenever there. It'll always be around, and I. I want something that's a little bit more esoteric and. And immediately to me, like something that I. I just like lust after a little bit more. I love the Miata. I suspect I will own one and maybe an S2002 at some point. For now, I'm kind of focused on. I just want something crazy.

[C]

That's all. Reasonable. That is a reasonable response. Nick, why don't you have an NA Miata?

[A]

I Don't have room.

[C]

Doesn't have room for an enemy.

[A]

I've got like six cars right now. I'm.

[C]

That's how you know you have a problem if you don't. If you don't even have room for an na. Yeah, there's issues, right, that.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I. I would like to at least experience something out of more. And I think if I ever started tracking more, that would be my easy first choice. Just like a good track toy. But.

[B]

Well, I mean, yeah, those.

[A]

The person asking the question is correct that you do want to buy that now. Like when you do have kids and dogs and stuff like that suddenly becomes a lot more limiting versus if you're just a single dude and you're driving an A2 because it's misting out. A Miata might be a decent choice.

[C]

Of course, he says this since he's had kids. The other day, a Murcielago and an slr.

[A]

Right.

[B]

He had way less cars before he had kids.

[C]

Yeah. I don't know what he's talking about. I will say he's talking about getting a track car. Remember this dude? Money shifted and dropped a motor and he's over here. I want a track car. Be careful.

[A]

You money shipped the Miata. It's like a $300 repair. They got those engines at Pep Boys, you know.

[C]

Next question from Charlie XC90 question for everyone. You are all relatively similar ages and I notice you tend to think the peak air from the car was the 90s and into the 2000s due to them being the perfect balance of modern and analog. Do you think you would retain this opinion if you had been born earlier or later? Yes, that is objective of truth.

[B]

I understand where they're coming from, but I, I having thought I'm lucky enough to have experienced cars from the 60s and 70s and earlier. And there it is a. It is a really finite period of time where they became really. It was the perfect cross section of everything. And I just.

[C]

Reliable, reliable, good and yet not hybridized.

[B]

Automatic, not too big.

[A]

Oh, you're arguing that you would still be interested in the 2000s era?

[B]

Absolutely. I think objectively looking at the entire history of the automobile, I think it was a really golden time that people don't appreciate enough.

[C]

I think the 60s were also.

[B]

The 60s were also because of regulation for design. And they were.

[C]

Design is unbelievable.

[B]

But you can argue that cars in the 1960s weren't exactly what you call reliable compared to modern cars later.

[C]

And that's the benefit that the mid-2000s cars have. And the Reason that we don't like newer, which I think is really the implication of the question, what if you were younger, would you be into the 2010s? Probably. You don't know any better. That's, that's what youth is. However, the best cars came out of the mid 2000s.

[A]

I, I agree with you all in the premise that those were the best cars. To me too. No again, Papa rest in peace. He was in the 30s, town cars and such, because that was like of the era. My dad and his generation is super into muscle cars in the 60s. I, I do think that there is like a outlier decade that it's, it's usually when you were in high school it was those cards, plus or minus. So like those. And I do think like, okay, that will happen again. But like I, I think it is a function of when, when and where you were born.

[B]

I see. That's what we're arguing is that it actually, it isn't in this case.

[A]

Like I'm, I'm counterarguing.

[C]

I, I, I understand and I, and I get that argument and I think it's totally reasonable.

[B]

Yeah, I think it's wrong.

[C]

I think it's wrong.

[B]

I think that, think that the mid.

[C]

2000 had this thing that nothing else in the history of the car had previously ever had. In the 60s they would have thought they had it too, because it was as reliable and as fast as cars become. But we now have the benefit of hindsight. We know what happened after that, which is the 60s. You look at the 60s and you'd say these were the best cars. The 70s cars were terrible. Even most of the 80s were pretty bad. And so you'd say the 60s were this amazing time, but we're now 20 years removed from this mid 2000s period. And I wouldn't say that the things that make us love the mid 2000s cars have gotten better in terms of cars. The analog has been lost, the screens have taken over, the electronics have taken over, automatics have taken over, hybrids have taken over. And to me that kind of goes back to suggest that this mid-2000s was sort of the 60s on steroids. It was like all those 60s cars that were amazing but now modern and great, you know.

[B]

Really? Really. I was driving an E28 M5 recently and a video be coming out about that shortly. I'll talk about it more later on. But I was, There was a period of time where like you got to the 60s and then the 70s cars got bad. It was like, if you look at it as like a curve, right Y and then you went up every and then from there every successive car got better and better and better. The next one was going to be better than the one that came before it. But that really did hit a plateau and I and that's kind of where.

[C]

I think we are now opinion now if he's going to argue that. Well, if you're a teenager now, you think the Revuelto is the coolest thing ever made.

[B]

And it is cool. Every generation has their pinup Lamborghini. That is true. But I think for someone to actually go and drive and use these cars, I think you'd be more blown away by the experience of some of the oldest.

[C]

I do think from a driver's perspective it's hard to ignore that the cars more recently have become more sanitized, more plug in hybrid, more automatic. And the mid 2000s cars gave you a similar like fast with but still had all those benefits. And I think that's where they where.

[A]

They really hit two things here. One, we need to start our own event that's like Radwood but only for 2000 to 2009 give or take.

[C]

Pretty awesome.

[A]

They cut off their era at 99 which is like right when things started to get good.

[C]

But I think that's part of the point of Radwood. Like the point of Radwood is if.

[A]

You got an SF90 we are sending you away.

[B]

We're.com would if you were around from.

[A]

The dot com bubble to Lehman Brothers going away, you are welcome.

[C]

I think the point of Radwood in part though is to celebrate kind of the two unloved decades.

[A]

I agree but I'm just saying if there was a show that was only like 2000 to 200904 rich I would travel great distances.

[C]

It wouldn't be cool enough yet though. There's too many of those cars still like around as trap. Maybe we need another 10 years.

[B]

They also bend it a little bit. Like the 39 came out in the late 90s and so they include those usually.

[A]

But don't you also think Lehman Brothers going away ruined the party? All the collateralized dead off obligations and so on not happen.

[C]

Right.

[A]

Because that was when the Mercy SV came out. This SLR722 and other icons of that era.

[B]

Yep, the SLR722 think of it every day.

[A]

Exactly. So had that not happened in an alternate universe and we would have just kept iterating from there.

[C]

Maybe the CEO killed. Maybe there was always going to be an environmental component and Honestly, I think automatic transmissions were always going to start showing up because the cars had gotten so fast.

[A]

Yeah. You know what you kind of regret in hindsight too is that the single clutch like E Gear style cars didn't extend longer because those are swappable. And had we just stick stuck with.

[C]

E Gear for we have complained so.

[A]

Much, we could have manual Aventadors. Manual.

[C]

Let's end on.

[A]

Oh yeah, you clear?

[C]

Let's end on this. The Aventador is theoretically swappable. It is.

[A]

I don't know why that doesn't exist yet, but since there's way more of those than there are of mercy Diablo and Countach combined.

[C]

I'll tell you why though. It's because there's no sense better console, right.

[A]

Oh, but we could fabricate one of them.

[C]

We could fabricate.

[A]

We can make it. You can put it like the CGT and just replace the. The Audi MMI screen.

[B]

I'm telling you, I realized that I.

[C]

Don'T need that anymore.

[B]

I realized that the the event of our production was greater than all of the V12s combined that came before it. But I do think there is something very special about that car. If you could convert that, that would be one of the coolest cars on the road.

[A]

That's the corollary to my Range Rover full size. Everyone also wants an Aventador. Deep down they don't admit it, but they want one. I look at that, look at that picture.

[C]

It looks cool. But I'd rather have a Countach. But of course, but okla legit. This car is swappable.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

And someone someday is going to do it.

[B]

I'm not going to get on it.

[A]

I'm a buyer.

[C]

Yeah, because that mid-2000s, I mean this was actually the last.

[A]

I wonder what the holdup is if it's also like a tcu.

[C]

I think entirely the center console software.

[B]

And the center console.

[C]

I don't think the software has that much to do with it. Your car is like speaking of all of your experience swapping cars because what I learned from your auction is it's just a manual transmission that they automate. That's the same thing. It's so different.

[B]

Well yes, but there was a manual that pre existed in his car and the software for the computer can recognize that.

[C]

Well yeah, but you get in there with a couple of BP's.

[B]

Yeah. Just like how you thought you would program the site yourself back in the early days.

[C]

You saw Kamisa this weekend on Instagram with his Radio Shack Voltmeter. He gets in there with his Radio Shack Voltmeter. He reprograms an event that.

[B]

And then he's there.

[C]

I legitimately think that an even harder component of this is the center console situation more than the transmission. I bet they'd figure it out.

[B]

And Metal's mo.

[A]

Someone will figure it out, and that'll be amazing.

[C]

Yeah. Okay, we have to end here because Kenan has to take off his racing suit.

[B]

Yeah. I'm stunned that I. It's cold.

[A]

You look good in it, though, I must say.

[B]

Thanks. The colors are great.

[C]

Absolute pleasure. Thank you so much, Nick. Thank you for coming. Thank you for gracing us with. With an slr.

[A]

I. I feel good about that. I am very sad. I can't believe that the Murcielago getting picked up was five minutes before we started filming. Like, it. It started me a little sad.

[C]

What an end, you know?

[A]

But it was. It's. It's an end of a really great era with the mercy. I'm going to miss that.

[C]

But meanwhile, Ken's taking off the jacket. He just. He just did. Well, it's.

[B]

It's flame retardant.

[C]

It's hot. He just did the Kazakhstan GP and he needs to. Is that one of them?

[B]

No. But the Phoenix Grand Prix and I did drive at the Phoenix Grand Prix or something.

[A]

Arizona.

[C]

Yes.

[A]

Yeah. Wow.

[C]

That's a real thing. That's where the courier GTs V10 went, wasn't it?

[B]

Yep. The Footwork V10.

[C]

That's right. Okay, we're done here. Goodbye, everyone.

[A]

Bye.

[B]

Bye.