The $30,000 Fun Sports Car Era is Over. Has China Already Won the Future of Cars? Ferrari V8s Ranked!

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Podcast Summary: THIS CAR POD! with Doug DeMuro & Friends!
Episode: The $30,000 Fun Sports Car Era is Over. Has China Already Won the Future of Cars? Ferrari V8s Ranked!
Release Date: February 21, 2025

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Introduction

In this episode of THIS CAR POD! with Doug DeMuro & Friends!, host Doug DeMuro and his friends delve into the evolving landscape of the automotive industry. The episode, titled "The $30,000 Fun Sports Car Era is Over. Has China Already Won the Future of Cars? Ferrari V8s Ranked!", explores the decline of affordable sports cars, the rise of Chinese automotive dominance, and offers a detailed ranking of Ferrari's V8 models. The discussion is enriched with expert insights, lively debates, and audience interactions, making it a comprehensive listen for automotive enthusiasts and casual listeners alike.

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1. News Section

a. Dodge's Sports Car Strategy

The episode kicks off with a discussion about Dodge's potential entry into the affordable sports car market.

• Filippo [00:12]: "Dodge's CEO said in an interview last week that he thought there was a market for an entry level sub 30 K sports car. He also said there was a market for a high end sports car by Dodge."

The friends debate the viability of this strategy, comparing it to Mazda's long-standing Miata.

• Kenan [02:20]: "The Miata has 35 years of reputation. It has tremendous dynamics, which I'm not sure Dodge can match."

Doug remains skeptical about Dodge's ability to capture the market profitably.

• Filippo [02:55]: "I honestly have a hard time believing they could really actually hit that price point and still be profitable."

b. Chevrolet Camaro's Uncertain Future

The conversation shifts to the Chevrolet Camaro, discussing its sales struggles and the potential discontinuation of future models.

• Filippo [04:06]: "The next generation Camaro is badly beaten but not dead. Their contract with the factory workers requires them to build a car in Canada, but sales haven't met expectations."

They ponder whether the Camaro might follow the Mustang's path towards electric vehicles.

• Kenan [05:01]: "It'd be a shame if it leaves, but it wouldn't surprise me at all."

c. Volkswagen and Audi's EV Strategy

Doug and his friends analyze Volkswagen and Audi's cautious approach towards electric vehicles (EVs), contrasting it with China's aggressive EV market.

• Filippo [07:01]: "Volkswagen and Audi are going to be sticking with gasoline powered cars, pushing EV development down the road due to sales decreases—Volkswagen declined by 2.7% and Audi by 7.8% last year."

They express concerns over Chinese EV dominance if Western automakers delay their EV transition.

• Filippo [09:12]: "If we let capitalism sort this out, China wins this game. Their EVs are way ahead and way cheaper."

d. BMW Neue Klasse EV Innovations

The discussion moves to BMW's Neue Klasse EV, highlighting its innovative features and the mixed reactions from enthusiasts.

• Kenan [13:40]: "The BMW Neue Klasse EV has light-up wheels and advanced regenerative braking. People are saying it could become the new M3."

However, they critique the overuse of technology and aesthetic choices.

• Filippo [16:07]: "The wheels look like a carnival ride. It seems like they're making fun of their customers."

e. Yugo's Attempted Comeback

The friends briefly touch upon the rumored comeback of the Yugo, ultimately dismissing it as unrealistic.

• Filippo [18:48]: "A Yugo revival seems more like a sketch than a serious production plan."

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2. Talk Cars Segment

a. Lamborghini Stado in Lake Tahoe

A significant portion of the episode is dedicated to the viral story of a Lamborghini Stado reportedly getting stuck in Lake Tahoe.

• Filippo [19:49]: "Every person I've met sent me a picture of a Lamborghini Stado in Lake Tahoe. People were shocked to see a high-performance car in such conditions."

The friends defend the Stado's off-road capabilities, pointing out its lightweight build.

• Filippo [22:07]: "The Stado is built for this. It's a light car."

b. Filippo's Personal Car Challenges

Filippo shares his recent experience of his station wagon being hit while parked, leading to ongoing repairs.

• Filippo [22:47]: "A few weeks ago, my station wagon got hit while it was parked outside my house. There are a few finishing touches I'm unhappy with that they're going to fix."

The discussion revolves around the balance between maintaining an older vehicle versus upgrading to a newer model.

• Kenan [25:03]: "These cars start to get old. Should I still be picky about bodywork on a car that nobody will ever care because it's worth nothing?"

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3. Market Report

a. Audi S4 Sales Success

The market report highlights the successful sale of an Audi S4, emphasizing the growing appreciation for sports sedans with manual transmissions.

• Filippo [38:17]: "We sold a B8S4 Audi S4 with a manual for a strong number, reflecting renewed interest in driver-focused sports sedans."

The friends note the rarity and desirability of stick-shift models in the current market.

• Kenan [39:35]: "Manuals are cool, but they're not sporty. However, the B8S4 with a stick is a prime example of a desirable model."

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4. Questions Segment

a. Ranking Ferrari V8 Models

Audience question: "Can you rank the mid-engine V8 Ferrari cars from least to most favorite?"

The trio engages in a lively debate, ultimately presenting their rankings:

1. Ferrari 430

   • Kenan [55:54]: "430 is the best because the stick was available... it's an F1 car in essence."

2. Ferrari 458

   • Filippo [55:55]: "458 had a stick, making it more desirable than the F8."

3. Ferrari 355

   • Filippo [57:05]: "355 is awesome and provides an excellent driving experience."

4. Ferrari F8

   • Doug [55:58]: "F8 doesn't excite me as much as the others."

5. Ferrari 488

   • Filippo [58:22]: "488 feels like a normal car, lacking thrill."

6. Ferrari 348

   • Kenan [58:32]: "348 is striking but unreliable, making it less favorable."

b. Baseline Cars for Snapshots

Audience question: "What car do you consider special enough to take out your phone and snap a picture?"

• Filippo [60:39]: "I take pictures of everything, especially unique cars like the Panda 4x4."

• Kenan [60:32]: "I often take pictures if it's important to someone I know, like a friend with a rare Panda 4x4."

• Doug [62:22]: "Cars that stand out aesthetically or have a unique presence, like the Gran Turismo or Aston Martin, are perfect for snapshots."

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5. Conclusion

The episode wraps up with reflections on the chaotic yet insightful discussions, highlighting the camaraderie and diverse perspectives of the hosts.

• Filippo [62:29]: "This was the most chaotic podcast yet, but the best we've ever done."

• Kenan [62:35]: "Thank you to Filippo and Doug for making it a great episode."

• Doug [62:37]: "Goodbye, everyone."

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Notable Quotes Highlighted

• Filippo [00:31]: "I was surprised to see this wasn't a publicly announced thing... Stellantis is trying to make a splash."

• Filippo [07:12]: "They saw sales decreases of 2 points... Audi declined by 7.8%."

• Kenan [16:07]: "The wheels look like a carnival ride. It seems like they're making fun of their customers."

• Filippo [09:12]: "If we let capitalism sort this out, China wins this game. Their EVs are way ahead and way cheaper."

• Filippo [22:07]: "The Stado is built for this. It's a light car."

• Filippo [38:17]: "We sold a B8S4 Audi S4 with a manual for a strong number..."

• Filippo [58:22]: "488 feels like a normal car, lacking thrill."

• Filippo [62:29]: "This was the most chaotic podcast yet, but the best we've ever done."

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Conclusion

This episode of THIS CAR POD! with Doug DeMuro & Friends! offers a comprehensive exploration of current automotive trends, market dynamics, and passionate discussions on car models. From Dodge's ambitious plans to China's EV surge and the nuanced rankings of Ferrari V8s, listeners gain valuable insights into the future of the car industry. The engaging dialogue, coupled with real-world experiences and audience interactions, makes this episode a must-listen for anyone interested in the ever-evolving world of automobiles.

Transcript

[A]

Foreign.

[B]

Welcome to this car pod.

[C]

I'm Kenan.

[B]

I'm Filippo and it's time for the news. Let's start with Dodge.

[A]

Yes. Dodge's CEO said in an interview last week that he thought there was a market for an entry level sub 30 Kish sports car. He also said there was a market for a high end sports car by Dodge.

[B]

Right. Which we all could understand what that would be.

[A]

Yeah. But V10 cheap Dodge sports car.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

I was surprised to see this wasn't like a publicly announced thing. It was in an interview and he was like, oh, I can see a market for it. I can't. I think that Stellantis though is in a situation where they're kind of out from under old leadership and new leadership is trying to either win back old people or make a wave, make a splash.

[A]

You know how a kid home alone for the first time just eats ice cream? The boring accountant parents are going gone. You, you want V8 again and you want.

[B]

And last we reported that they said V8s are coming back. And today we're reporting this. I. There is a market, by the way, this is a concept car from Dodge 2007 Dodge Demon. I think this could come today. And you know who would buy?

[A]

No one. There's kind of a market.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Like Mazda has created a market.

[B]

But The Miata has 35 years of reputation. It has tremendous dynamics, which I'm not sure. Chrysler and, and even then the Miata sales are not what they used to be. And this current generation Miata has been on sale for 10 years.

[A]

Excellent point.

[B]

Without a redesign. Because it's not, probably not cost effective to redesign. Every other sports car that comes out is paired up.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You know, the BRZ and the FRS and the et cetera, et cetera, the Supra and the Right.

[A]

And the next Supra will apparently be a collaboration with Mazda. Apparently. Or something like that.

[B]

They should call Dodge. I hear Dodge.

[A]

They should call Dodge. I get why they're saying some of these things. Right. If you're the CEO, like you want to rebuild your brand with enthusiasts especially because those are the publications that are covering you as a brand that only sells chargers. And so you want to kind of throw them a bone here and there. I also see why it could be successful not in sales, but in imaging. Maybe. But who buys that?

[C]

It won't. That's the thing. He just wouldn't.

[A]

Who want the. The Solstice in the sky didn't sell well.

[B]

No.

[C]

I want Dodge to build one sports car and you Alluded to it before. It has a V10 and a manual and it's named after another snake. That's what I want them to build.

[B]

They tried, you know, and they, they tried, you know, they, they had that car and then they, they canceled it and then they brought it back and that second time they tried to. Didn't do well.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

And so I have a hard time believing honestly in this day and age that a man. Like a sports car at this price point is like a really. A big. I would like it to be. It'd be cool. I don't see the FRS as like a massive seller, whatever it's called.

[C]

Now you know what it sounds like to me? A great used car. That's what it sounds like. It doesn't sound like something that enthusiasts will want to buy new necessarily.

[B]

Well, at that price point I think it would. But I honestly have a hard time believing they could really actually hit that price point and still be profitable and still selling any sort of volume. I mean, this is, you know, this is a company that's not exactly doing the best.

[A]

Remember the Crossfire? We have a Crossfire parked behind the X3.

[B]

Yeah, Crossfire was relatively successful. The price point was relatively successful. They sold, they sold few. No, they sold a ton. I wrote it down. They sold like 100,000. What? 200,000. All right, well, remember, it was a global car.

[A]

What?

[B]

They sold them in Europe.

[A]

Every single part of this got more insane.

[B]

No, they sold the Crossfire globally. It was a global car. They were, they were, they were sold in Europe and everybody.

[A]

So could this then.

[B]

76,000 crossfires over a decade. Over five years. Wow. Pretty good.

[A]

So maybe there is a market.

[B]

There are right hand drive crossfires.

[A]

Some would argue that there are right.

[B]

Hand drive SRT6 crossfires, but only 284 of them.

[A]

Some would argue the Dodge should build, I don't know, any cars, any SUVs, any. Any.

[B]

Anything would make more sense to platform share and try to figure out better ways to do this.

[A]

And I'll take those.

[B]

Maybe even merge with Mercedes Benz. Okay, give us our next news. Anyway, this is positive possibility. We'll see what happens. I have a hard time believing it.

[C]

As do I.

[B]

Next story. Camaro, Chevy Camaro.

[A]

An affordable car.

[B]

GM authority, which is a authority on GM products as it were reported. And I was reading between the lines on their reporting. The reporting is that the next generation Camaro is badly beaten but not dead. However, when I read the quotes in vehicle, it sounds like it's dead. Their contract with the with the factory workers requires them to build a car in Canada. The it doesn't sound like it's gonna they see a business case for the next generation. They have said that this generation. They have either said or leaked that this generation hasn't necessarily sold like they were hoping it would. We already are hearing Mustang sales are not really great. We heard yesterday Z sales are not really great. And amazing. Dodge is sitting here going yeah right. Maybe we'll do two sports cars.

[A]

Once again FCA maybe not the best business decisions.

[B]

Shame. It'd be a shame if it goes away. The Mustang became an electric crossover. Perhaps the Camaro will meet a similar fate.

[A]

Would it be a shame if it left?

[B]

Maybe not. I mean the Camaro has. They've given us a great run with the current Camaro which has been redesigned but the same basic shape since it came out in 09 and that was a great period. Like 09 to now has been several amazing Camaro models. Some amazing high performance versions, fantastic powertrains.

[C]

011Le is one of the most impressive car.

[B]

There have been some great cars to come out of this Camaro lineup and and if the market doesn't want it right now, maybe it goes away and maybe it comes back at some point in the future like the Z always did. Be sad but it wouldn't surprise me at all.

[A]

Are we worried about what's going to happen to the like enthusiast class at Herz or at Enterprise or any rental car center. Cuz right now it's Mustangs and Camaros exclusively.

[B]

What is the problem? What do they go to Mach E. Still a Mustang. Get a sir, you get a Mustang.

[A]

Brilliant.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

You love that. You love, love leaning into that Mustang Mach E controversy.

[B]

Maybe they'll sell. They'll.

[A]

They'll rent out do $30,000 enthusiast car.

[B]

Right. That's what it would be anyway. So we'll see on next gen Camaro but I am not holding my breath on sports cars. It's actually funny because in the last couple pods we've talked about how the EV is kind of not really as certain as it once was and gas cars are making a comeback and V8s are making a comeback but the gas.

[C]

Cars that are sticking around aren't the ones we necessarily want.

[B]

No.

[C]

That's an interesting predictor.

[A]

The second gen Camaro came out in 15.

[B]

Yeah. But the redesigned retro one came out in 09. That's what I was saying.

[A]

Ten years.

[B]

Yeah. They got a long.

[A]

Maybe it's a little dated but I don't Think our redesign would help?

[B]

It's definitely time to think about the next thing. Although the Challenger did well and it came out in 08, here's a question. Why did they never do a convertible Challenger?

[C]

I don't know. I've seen the conversions and they look.

[B]

The conversions look good. They did convertibles back in the day. It was obvious. Ford and Chevy both had convertibles of their cars. The car then was in production for 16 years. It's not like they couldn't have made the money.

[C]

You know why? Because it's a purest precision.

[A]

They didn't want the extra weight.

[B]

Weight and the rigidity issue.

[C]

No, that's right. Yeah. Structural rigidity.

[B]

All right, give us the next news story please. Ooh, Volkswagen.

[C]

Yes. So Volkswagen has said. Volkswagen and Audi both have said that like a lot of manufacturers we've discussed recently, they are going to be sticking with gasoline powered cars. Kel Suprise.

[B]

But what does that mean?

[C]

So it means that they're not, they will be doing EVs but they're kind of pushing a lot of that development down the road to release those models. They saw sales decreases of 2 points. Volkswagen saw sales decreases of 2.7% last year. Audi was even more sharp. They declined by 7.8%. So they, they're feeling it too that people just aren't buying their cars.

[B]

I remember when the federal government as a penalty made Volkswagen make electric cars. Yes. And electrify America mind the turntables because they killed people. And then, and then they, the government said all right, you got to make electric cars now, but sort of to work. That's how I remember it.

[C]

That's pretty much how it went. But to get around that, basically what they're doing is they're going to be investing more money into facelifts of current models that exist. They're not going to be developing new intern combustion models necessarily, but they're going to kind of push this down the road a little bit and see what happens.

[B]

It sounds like more of a wait and see plan than a. We're sure it's going to happen. And I think that that's probably the right idea.

[C]

I think that is the right idea. I suspect because every, I mean Lamborghini pushed, they said they're going to, they pushed it down the road, but they did push it down the road. They, they know that's where it's going. But I think.

[B]

And we all know that's coming this a 93.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

What a cool car. Here's the thing.

[A]

Driving around Europe Last summer you see trillions of ID3s, some ID4s, a bunch of ID buzzes, short ones, all with German plates, but nonetheless, like they've had success. This is a case where like Europe, which is where they're based, has adopted these cars pretty nicely, but nowhere else has. And in the US they only sell the ID4 and ID Buzz. They said they're not bringing the ID7 here.

[B]

Asia doesn't buy these or not.

[A]

Volkswagen maybe through some joint partnership.

[B]

You know, I got to tell you, one of the comments we always get, we always get incredibly nasty comments whenever we talk about electric cars that don't. They get that electric cars are. They suck and we want gas. Let it economy sorted out. Let capitalism sort it out is what they often say. If capitalism were to sort this out, China would win. China would just straight win. If we want China to win, then we go have China win. I mean, that's how we want it to be. I don't know. In my America, we try to win. I'm serious, like, I'm not trying to be Trump, but like in my America we win. In my America, the America that I've known and that I've seen over the last 200 years, like, you try to win, you try to be at the forefront of technology and everything else, man.

[C]

200 years. Christ, you look good for 200 years.

[B]

Heck yeah. Yeah. But the point I'm making is like, if we let capitalism sort this out, China wins this game. All these automakers. And by the way, is an ID4 is built in the States, right?

[A]

94 is built in all these automakers.

[B]

Are pulling out of these, pulling back on these EVs. If that's the way we want to go, then that's the way we want to go. But the Chinese EVs, I've driven them, they're way ahead. They're way ahead and they're way cheaper. And China is going to walk around and start selling these cars in the other markets and start gobbling up market share in all those places too. And pretty soon our auto industry is going to be Ford selling cars to Americans.

[A]

Can we talk about how beautiful this photo is? There's 283s. You're not going to take no other electric card in this shot.

[B]

He's afraid of the no other electric.

[A]

Card in this shot whatsoever, except for these two, which is fascinating. People Just further, they're going to go from an EA8 to an EA4, quadruple eight to just keep going with their engine naming structure.

[B]

That's all he wants to.

[A]

That's all I want to talk about. I'm not wrong about that. No, you're not wrong about this.

[B]

Come on, admit that. That's. There's an interesting story there, which is that if. If we continue to pull back on EVs, which is what's happening, and if we don't incentivize EVs, which might be the right move, it's certainly what the. What the consumers seem to want right now. But if we do that, China is not in that situation. And they are making these cars better and selling them better. And every week we report on a new automaker that is pushing back their ev.

[A]

I think the other thing that often gets missed in this is that we have, over the years, the US And Europe and other countries have heavily incentivized a lot of different things that we have kind of forgotten. The reason that diesels were so big in Europe is that diesel was heavily subsidized.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Or incentivized. Right. There were incentives to manufacturers building them. Diesel was a little bit subsidized by the U.S. government or by the.

[B]

But for many years, those were successful products that European companies built, but with some benefits.

[A]

And when they were first starting, I'm quite confident the US Government subsidized cars by building highways. There's like a lot of things where we kind of accepted. Accept it in retrospect, where now we're having that conversation with EVs and looking back at it, will we think if we keep going down that road of subsidizing them, I think we'll just view that as normal because it kind of is in the bigger scheme.

[B]

Right.

[A]

It's an interesting question.

[B]

But if we don't, then EVs will probably walk away because Americans are not particularly interested in. Without subsidies. And then maybe.

[A]

And then technology advances.

[B]

You go to Mexico, you go to Latin America, the Chinese cars are already there. They're already selling them there. They're going to continue to. You go to Southern Europe, they're already there.

[A]

Technology advances, though, on electric motors, on batteries, and that will also make an impact.

[B]

Yeah, but the question is, when we eventually adopt it, when we have to, will China have already succeeded? You know what I'm saying?

[A]

And they will have charging stations and better technology and. Yes, 100.

[B]

And that's the fear. That's the fear with, with walking this back. That's the fear with the government walking it back. And that's. That's why we can't just necessarily just let capitalism sort it out when we have the conversation, because capitalism may sort it out in a way that is not favorable for us. And our government has the. This isn't pure capitalism. Our government has the ability to kind of put their finger on the scales of.

[A]

Of what.

[B]

Actually, this is not where I thought.

[A]

This conversation would go.

[B]

I'm surprised to hear myself saying this, too, but I've been thinking about this more and more over the last few weeks. And when you hear about when I drive these Chinese cars, I'm astonished. They shouldn't have sent them to us. Now we know how good they are. Now we're like, crap, we got to catch up.

[A]

Maybe they're.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I mean, Ford CEO a few months ago had an interview where he said that he drove the Xiaomi SU7.

[B]

He's been driving it around, and it's.

[A]

Like, this is better than what we're building.

[B]

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[C]

Nice transition there. Very smooth. Speaking of EVs, this is the BMW Neue Klasse A FAU or EV. What's interesting about this is that there is a.

[A]

Is it the trunk lid? Because.

[C]

Yeah, there's a video. That kit.

[B]

Now it's got a horn.

[C]

They proposed this shape earlier. This is not the first time we've seen it, but now it moves. It has actual engineering that has been done to make it.

[A]

Congratulations. A car shown by a real manufacturer eventually gets built.

[C]

Maybe not. But the thing is, people are saying that this will become the new M3. That's what a lot of people are saying. That's what the rumors are heavily, heavily circulating. But there is a video that came out of it driving, which you get to see these wheels in action, which are very cool. They put a lot of effort into the regenerative braking.

[A]

Oh wow.

[C]

It's a lot smoother and it's, yeah, it's, it's something. But the big thing was they made the wheels light up, which is, you.

[B]

Know, I gotta be honest, I had the new M5 last week and people complain so much. BMW has embraced technology more than any other legacy automaker. It's so amazing. They've got everything, tech, you know, the climate vents. In order to make them a full blow or not blow, you have little screens that you tap. Each vent has a screen and people look at BMW like that. Enthusiasts. The people who want, who have, who have E90s are like BMW, screw them.

[A]

People that have tried to tell their mother how to open a venture.

[B]

But BMW is saying is our customer base has always been young people who get it and it still is.

[A]

That's why they went for headlights to look like Kia Optima from two generations.

[C]

Our producer said this and I kind of agree. Which is more annoying, this or a burble to my way? Rather have this than purple.

[B]

The wheels are bad. But like maybe this is the future. I don't know. But I know BMW is leading us there. We got a new X3 behind us right now that's leading us into the future. But I just took that to the DMV and let me tell you something, it looked like the future in that parking lot.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

A lot of honda Odysseys with 3 year old expired plates up there. Heavy body dick.

[C]

I once had to take my 355 to that DMV to register. Yeah. Boy, was it. It was quite a sight there. There was a lot of people very interested.

[B]

I bet some cool stuff shows up at the dmv if you, if you like waited long enough.

[A]

Right now when you look, when you see a grill lit up at night.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

As the current BMWs do. As every Mercedes seems to now with the star.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

As I saw like a Lexus have yesterday.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

What do you think?

[C]

I go every time I.

[A]

When you see a wheel like that, drive it around. What do you think?

[B]

I think that they're making fun of their customers. It seems like they're making fun of their customers. It seems like, oh, you're a lease shopper. Who's, who's Trying to. Oh yeah. How about this for you? How about this little carnival ride.

[C]

People thought that. Remember when Audi did the headlights like on the R8? They thought that was tacky.

[B]

I don't think anybody ever thought that.

[C]

People thought that regardless. 839, same thing. This is a bit much for me to start.

[A]

It won't come to production, of course.

[B]

Give us our last news story.

[C]

Really? Not a production car. You don't think this. That's a production car.

[A]

The. The US won't allow laser headlights. You think they're going to start allowing wheel lights?

[C]

I don't think they have any dictation.

[B]

The US allows laser headlights. They don't. The auto high beams, they have to either be on or off. They can't.

[A]

Do they allow laser headlights?

[B]

Yeah, there were BMWs with laser headlights but they stopped offering it because they decided it wasn't cost effective.

[A]

Because you can do the cool things.

[B]

Well, you can do the cool things but it's. It's more expensive and it doesn't really benefit what the US doesn't allow. The greatest feature I ever seen in my life. I've drove a Mercedes in Italy like this. You get the high beams on.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

It turns on the high beams but then a car is coming and instead of turning them off, it blocks out the high beams. Only where that car is in the. The beam sweep. So you still get the full effect of the high beams. But the Dr. Brilliant isn't. It's incredible. It's obviously safer, but our regulations are far behind. Disappointingly, you want to thankfully dive into.

[C]

That political point that he's making that everything's fine.

[B]

We gotta delete. Right. What does Trump say about regular? I don't know. We gotta. This though, I think is gonna come.

[C]

I wouldn't be surprised to be honest with you. But to be clear, there's a lot more to it than this. They've done a lot of work in terms of. Through the real engineering. There's a lot of. This car creates an incredible amount of downforce. It's 2,645 pounds of downforce.

[A]

That's different than the pounds of downforce.

[B]

May. That's why on the back.

[A]

I understand that is why it has that.

[C]

Which also has a lot of vents through it and stuff. It's also. Why do they have four car. Sorry.

[B]

Why do they have a people and four people in this car?

[C]

Because four seater, four doors.

[B]

We're trying to show that off.

[C]

Yes. Right. Yes. You see, we put four people in the no Classe. It's much. It's a very impressive car. It makes 13,000 foot pounds of torque. They did claim that, by the way. They said 18,000 Newton meters of what to put to the road, which we looked into. That's some gearing technicality. Whether they say it's 18,000 Newton meters.

[B]

They multiply the gear of the electric motors by the. I don't remember.

[A]

And like the number of wheels maybe. Because if wheels have a motor, because.

[C]

I'll tell you what, that equates to 13,276 foot pounds of torque. Sure doesn't seem realistic to me. But nonetheless, if this does become what the M3 will be, great. I still don't know because BMW did say they want to make six cylinders and eight cylinder engines still, so who knows.

[B]

But an electric version of an i3 i3M. Yeah, it's something like that. I think it looks cool. And they keep showing it to us. So they're. They're going to do it.

[C]

Yeah, I'm kind of into it, to be honest.

[A]

The wheels are a bit 3m.

[B]

Give us the i3m as he works this out. Give us the next news story. Ah, yes, you go. Here's some very excited people around a Yugo.

[C]

I go.

[A]

Because everybody needs a Yugo.

[B]

You go. Noted Eastern European car company that failed is apparently going to come back and build a new car. That was the report this week. We looked into it and it seemed like a guy drew one.

[A]

A guy from Serbia, I believe drew one. It looks great. It looks like a combination like a GTI and an Ionic 5 and a YOLO. Look.

[B]

No real production plans.

[A]

The description was such a dude got an interview and said, I want to do these things.

[C]

I want to draw. I draw a Hugo for you. It is a new car now, right?

[B]

The headline is Hugo is coming back. Reality is, man draws car on paper wishes he had a factory.

[A]

Although apparently they're gonna do a.

[B]

An engineering.

[A]

Yeah, they're gonna do a tour of the world in the old Yugos to somehow advertise the new Yugo.

[B]

I saw that. Good luck. All right, let's move on to our Talk Cars segment, which of course is sponsored by Filippo. Of course. Personally Filippo, an employee of Cars.

[C]

Filippo avoiding politics at all costs.

[B]

Okay, let's talk about the Lake Tahoe Strado. Can you pull it up, please?

[C]

Yes.

[B]

You know what I'm talking about, right?

[C]

I do.

[B]

This week, every person that I've ever met sent me a picture of this. There was a Lamborghini Storrado in Lake Tahoe. Go to images. Let's pull. Oh, there it is.

[C]

There it is.

[B]

Darcy blows. There was a. Some guy got a bad photo of a Storato that had clearly slid off in Lake Tahoe. I don't even know that it stuck, but that was the implication. Yes. Everybody posted it everywhere and it was a big deal. And I got sent this picture by everybody being like, I can't believe people are taking a Lambo to Lake Tahoe. And I had to be like, folks, folks, that's what it's for. This is a. This is a off road car. And you know what happened every time I literally 10 people who I barely speak to in my entire. 10 people sent me this. Really said this. I replied, was like, that's an off road version. And like nine of them didn't reply after that. They were like. They must have been like, he's clearly an idiot. Like, it's not an off road car, but it is people.

[C]

No, you're the idiot. My friend Ben, who lives in New Hampshire sent me a picture of Estrado in the snow and this came out the next day and went, that's nothing. Look at this.

[B]

The stirrado can handle this. I'm not even entirely convinced that it's stuck here. Nah, that's the implication was that it was stuck. And it might be, but there's also a Crosstrek sitting in front of it that's off the road.

[C]

And an 18 wheeler.

[B]

Yeah, that's more likely to get stuck that.

[C]

Yeah, I think it'll be fun.

[B]

My point is the Stado is built for this.

[A]

More built for than. Than a LMO2.

[B]

But it is hard to explain this to regular people. People see an orange Lambo and the Stado is such a weird. That's why it's cool.

[A]

That's why it's the cool hurricane.

[B]

No, I've got a Lambo but it's for off roading. What do you mean for off roading? What are you talking about? What do you mean for off roading? It's got seven inches.

[A]

You don't know though.

[B]

What do you got? Personally zero. You walk right on.

[A]

That is. That is two inches more ish than my station wagon has. But is that true?

[B]

Think about that.

[A]

Five point something. 5.4 but less than an outback by like an inch or two.

[B]

The point is. So this por serado is now shamed everywhere. Even though it it. I would have taken four. I would have taken my serato to the. I probably would put chains on it or true winter Tires. Maybe it has them.

[C]

Well, chains. Do you think they have, like, a. A rating for chains for how fast you can go?

[B]

There are parts of Lake Tahoe where they require chains.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Oh, because studs. It can't have.

[B]

You could probably do. If you had. If you had metal studs, they'd probably allow that. Maybe winter tires. But there are. There are. There are snowy roads in Lake Tahoe there. We still to this day require chains. Yep. I would put. Yeah, yeah, of course. I'd put chains on them. No big deal.

[A]

That looks so cool in the snow. Imagine driving that around, man.

[C]

But also, kudos to this person for actually using it. I feel bad they have to suffer the embarrassment of seemingly being stuck in all over the Internet, but good for them for actually driving the ship.

[B]

I'm so sad that they got shamed when they did what they were supposed to, honestly.

[C]

Screw it. You got stuck. Fine. Get out of it. Keep going. That's what it's for.

[B]

It's a light car.

[A]

They can push it.

[C]

Yeah, it is a light car.

[B]

Interesting.

[C]

That's right.

[B]

Okay, give us our next talk car segment. Filippo. All right.

[A]

A few weeks ago, a month ago, my station wagon got hit while it was parked outside my house.

[B]

Okay. And I see. Okay. I'm worried about where this is going to go.

[A]

It got fixed at a good body shop. They've been generally good.

[B]

Generally good.

[A]

I went to pick it up. My wife offered to go pick it up. I was like, no, I have a feeling I'm gonna be a little pickier than you are. And there are a few things that I'm not happy with that they're very kindly gonna fix.

[B]

There's a color match issue.

[A]

No, the color match is actually okay. But there's a few finishing things where I'm just unhappy with how it looks.

[B]

There's trim. There's some panels that didn't like some trims.

[A]

There's like, a body, like a side skirt that got broken in the process that they're gonna both.

[B]

This car's been hit multiple times. This car's gonna hinder your ownership twice ever.

[A]

Both of them are my ownership. Yes. And it's worth maybe $15,000.

[B]

Right. What do you that.

[C]

But, like, every day he turns more into me.

[B]

What. What are you picking up? Tell us specifically.

[A]

That's the debate.

[B]

Like, what is specific. Do you have pictures?

[A]

I don't have pictures with it. There's a side skirt that got broken in the process. There's a few spots where the bumper, like, they need to redo the liner to actually hook it up correctly. It's a little bit mismounted. All things that don't really matter in 115,000 mile, $15,000 car that gets driven every day.

[B]

Right.

[A]

At the same time, here are components that were all replaced and repainted by a very professional body shop. And so my expectations are high. Ish. Because they're doing the work that they should do it.

[C]

Well, I don't.

[A]

Are my standards unreasonable?

[B]

No, but like, a little bit. When it comes to parts that age, like, what do you. Now it's gone again. You got another two weeks.

[A]

No, I mean, they're going to do it all in one day. A couple of weeks.

[B]

Sure, A couple more weeks.

[A]

But. And I will say, I want to be very clear, it was quite a nice conversation where I said, hey, like, I know that these don't really matter, but what can we do? And they were quite kind of.

[C]

Let me ask you a question. Now, it's been gone for a while.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Does that mean you're thinking of maybe it permanently being gone out of your.

[B]

Life for a while?

[A]

We were driving it all week because I have family visiting. And we were going. Six people in the car because it's made for that. It's got seven seats, seven seatbelts.

[C]

You're where rental cars exist.

[A]

And I like the wagon. But. Yeah, it's. The more I drive our gti, which is basically a new car, the more it becomes very evident that that station wagon is 11 years old and has done 150,000 miles.

[B]

Yeah, that's.

[A]

And so now. Yeah, you're thinking about a newer body.

[B]

You're thinking about mine.

[A]

I can't afford that.

[B]

What do you mean? The 17s aren't that expensive.

[A]

I don't want. That's not.

[B]

You only want an all Terrain.

[A]

I kind of do prefer the all Terrain. I. I don't know. I don't know.

[B]

They got him.

[A]

They can't justify a different car. But I'm thinking about it because it's feeling more worn.

[B]

It is. It is. These cars start to get old. They start to feel old. And that's just like, should I still.

[A]

Be picky about bodywork on a car where nobody will ever care because it's worth nothing?

[B]

You would be picky.

[C]

Well, obviously. But you're right that, like, the job should be done. Well, if. Yeah. No offense, but even you looked at and you're like, this is not right. It must be pretty bad.

[A]

One of the downsides of working at cars and bids for the last four and A half years is that you get really good at. That's pointing at flaws.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

You get quite good at looking at a photo and being like that doesn't match or this looks wrong. And unfortunately I've internalized those skills.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

You wouldn't care about any of this.

[B]

I wouldn't care. Especially on a car like that. In fact, the benefit of a car like that is that you can not.

[A]

But like, it just got fixed.

[B]

That car's worth 12 and you're.

[A]

No, it's worth 15 to 17.

[B]

Okay. We were 12 in six weeks. The fun of that car is that you can drive it and really not worry that much about it. That's how I worry.

[A]

That's how I treat all my cars.

[C]

Damaged on his. He also wasn't involved with either of these incidents that happened. Just to saying. But you are. Yeah, I. Look, I understand what you're saying. I don't think it's unreasonable. But like, it should probably go.

[B]

Well, I don't know that it should go. I disagree with that. I think the car has enormous amount of utility. A $15,000 car that is practical and runs and drives and that's a car you keep. The depreciation curve is really minimal. It's a reliable car. You put a lot of money into it. It's safe. Just have it and use it.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I drove your Abarth here today though, which is interesting to me because you have. Yeah, you have that car. You have your new gti. I thought we were selling the Abartha.

[A]

Barth is going to be sold soon.

[B]

Okay, next topic. Go to the site real quick. I want to talk about a car that neither of you have ever heard of. Type in A8. You ever heard of the Audi A8?

[A]

I have every generation.

[B]

Check out this one. Click on that. You know what's special about this one? Take a look.

[A]

It seems like a nice one. It's been one owner for the last 26 years.

[B]

What's special about this one went on.

[A]

The last 26 years.

[B]

When the D2 Audi A8 came out in 1997, it was offered in two versions. There was the 4.2 Quattro, as we all know. And there was a 3.7 four wheel drive.

[A]

What?

[B]

This is a front wheel drive Audi A8 from an early model year, first mod thing. Now the 3, 7 you never saw and you. It's. This one's in New York. You especially never saw them in the Northeast.

[A]

Why would you buy.

[B]

When I was a kid in Colorado, I never actually laid eyes on one I went to Atlanta for college years after finding out about it and finally saw one. The giveaways are there's no Quattro badge in the front grille. And if you go to the exterior, there should have been a 3.7 badge. What someone did on this car is they tried to disguise. I mean, they're not trying to cover it up, but they're like embarrassed about the. So they took out the 3.7 badge, which didn't say Quattro underneath, it just said 3.7. And they switched out the wheels for S wheels. But I always thought that the base wheels were actually kind of charming.

[C]

I had no.

[B]

This is a front wheel drive Audi A. To this day, the A8 platform is a front wheel drive platform, but obviously they don't sell a front wheel drive version. And this is a front wheel drive Audi A8 with the 3.7. It's not a 4.2 car. There were two motor options, which also nobody knows. Who knows?

[A]

You're joking. How did I never know that?

[C]

Maybe it's more reliable.

[A]

How much power? 230 horsepower.

[B]

It wasn't big power, it was incredibly rare. It was like probably 5% of sales. Obviously, in retrospect, they shouldn't have even offered it. And in subsequent generations they didn't. Right. But in this generation, and I think only for the first couple of years, there was a front wheel drive Audi A8. We got one on the side right now.

[A]

230 horsepower, 235.5foot of torque, first of all, from a V8 is how. And secondly, who, to be fair, for a while, Mercedes Benz with the S class offered a small six cylinder.

[B]

There wasn't. Well, yeah, over the years, I mean, in the W126, there's a lot of them had six cylinders. Well, no S class.

[A]

There was a 320. That was.

[B]

So there was an S 320. And so that's probably why Audi did it. They were like, well, they're selling a base model, we'll try a base model too.

[A]

Wow, I never knew that.

[B]

It's also worth pointing out, by the way, the 97 Audis, let's go to the interior photo. The 97 Audis didn't have Tiptronic, they only had a straight gearbox. In 98, they switched to tiptronic and so the 97s, the A8, came out in 97. The only way you could get a non tiptronic A8 was if you got a 97 one.

[C]

Sadly, they didn't want. Oh, there we go.

[B]

Unusual the A4 came out in 96 and so there were two years of no tiptronic. But this is, this is a really, really, really, really uncommon car. I don't consider it to be more valuable, but.

[A]

No, but it's.

[B]

I saw it come through and I, I saw that. I saw, actually saw it in the thing in the Audi 8.3.7. I thought to myself that must be wrong. I haven't seen one of these in so long. There it is.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Is smaller than the driver mirror, like substantially. Yeah, it looks pretty tight.

[B]

I can't believe this car was in the Northeast Massachusetts windows.

[A]

I know it's crazy, but with one owner. 99, why did you buy this and.

[B]

Not a four wheel drive? It was probably five grand more for a four wheel drive and the bigger.

[A]

Motor with every lights and tail lights different or is that just 99?

[B]

I don't think so. I think this is a pre facelift car and they facelift it like 98.99 something.

[A]

So they faced it a year later.

[B]

D2s are rare to begin with.

[C]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[B]

It wasn't, it wasn't long before they facelifted it because the orange side marker was a. Was also on the A4s in 96, 97 and 96 Euro looking a class.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But this is a US car sold new in the US. Wow. Pull up the other interesting euro.

[A]

Please go to the R5 Turbo A8.

[B]

R5.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Look at that.

[A]

I don't have anything to say. Just like look at her.

[B]

Have you ever driven one of these? No, I never have either. What an obscure.

[C]

What if you said yes.

[B]

No, but I drove a Cleo. The Cleo was dangerous.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

The Clio is so light up front.

[A]

Yeah. What do you think?

[B]

This must be even sketchy.

[A]

So sketchy in a good way.

[B]

Look at that.

[A]

Like, like the rear so wide.

[C]

That is.

[A]

The engine is in the back. For reasons.

[B]

The whole concept of this car is ridiculous out of its mind.

[C]

And these bring massive money.

[B]

They're rare. I mean, you know, it's funny because the regular R5 was just a trashy little European hatchback. And then there's this, the turbo, which was like a legit Turbo 2. Turbo 2.

[A]

This is the most legit car that we've ever sold or Canon has ever.

[C]

Okay, I'm not even wrong. I have seen them in person. There's. There's one there.

[B]

You know what this is?

[C]

He's a.

[B]

He likes his little European hatchbacks. And this was kind of the final form of the European Hatchback. And he likes his obscure cars. And this, like, it does everything Filippo.

[C]

Needs it to do, except that it's French.

[A]

I'm okay with that.

[C]

He loves.

[B]

You know what's weird about this car is the hood is in the trunk. Yep. Oh, it's. I want to be clear. The hood isn't the trunk like in the Lotus Elise. The hood is the trunk. Trunk. No, there is a trunk.

[A]

It's like a spacious trunk. If you go to one of those.

[B]

Chairs, the hood is. That's the other thing. What's weird, the hood is carpeted. Not a lot of cars you have a carpeted hood. But in this car, you do have a carpeted hood.

[C]

Not many hatchbacks do you have a frunk.

[B]

Huh? Look at.

[A]

Like, that's not. If you go to one with that close. That's not a tiny hatchback.

[B]

Top part opens up in. In the. In the Clio, there was a carpeted part and then there was a part under it as well.

[C]

That is. That is so ridiculous.

[A]

What do you think is with that hump?

[B]

Like, I like such exhaust.

[A]

This is such 1980s French exhaust.

[C]

For sure. Yeah.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You're lucky they carpeted it, man.

[C]

Yeah, exactly.

[B]

What a cool.

[A]

This closes the day this podcast comes out. And it's such a cool car.

[B]

Canon, give us your experience with the M5.

[C]

Yes. So Doug had on Tesla. He alluded to the G90 M5.

[B]

That's what they call it.

[C]

New. Yes. And this car. So, you know, a lot of talk about how much it weighs. Everybody talks about that it weighs more than the solar system and that it is not an M5. And, you know, it doesn't weigh more.

[B]

Than the Charger ev, which I think is my new benchmark.

[C]

Yeah. But American cars can be heavy. German car, it's like. It's an M5. It's supposed to be like. But lighter.

[B]

3V is mine.

[C]

Anyway, so.

[A]

Also a high water mark. Low water mark. I don't know.

[C]

So I drove this car. Perfectly acceptable. I have, like, it's. It is monstrously powerful. I mean, it's just. The torque was insane. Like on the highway, you just breathe on it and just.

[A]

Reports are that it's slower 0 to 60 in quarter mile than the last one.

[B]

Yeah, it was really fast.

[C]

He said it. And I'll say it again, all performance cars are the same. Fast. They might be off by a tenth or even a half. You don't notice it in the real world.

[B]

In reality, your Fiat's not a performance car. Let me tell you something. Let Me tell you what this comes from.

[A]

I want to know more about that.

[B]

In fact, let me tell you where this comes from. Everybody argues over 0 to 60 times in the 10th of a second. Race cars are all the same. They're all the same. I used to drag race. I used to do quarter mile drag racing. For years and years. I did quarter mile drag race. Probably been to the drag strip 100 times. You know what I learned? Every car is as fast as every other car. I'm not screwed with you. You'd get two cars that were like should be pretty far apart. They would end the race like a third of a second apart. And that was kind. And it was like okay, that one was faster. But in real world applications that doesn't matter anyway.

[C]

So the point I'm making about the M5 is that it does everything an M5 is supposed to do. It's very comfortable on the highway. It handles surprisingly well. It hides its weight very nicely. I found on tight roads it didn't feel that out of place. It felt like pretty manageable. It's very comfortable. It's nicely put together. I have to admit the lights and the screens are a bit much. It's really bright and kind of irritating inside the car.

[A]

Can you turn that down?

[C]

That's the, the modern way. And the M5 is as Harry Metcalf put it is it's the emblematic of how cars are now that M5 is, is a modern M5.

[B]

Plus I would say that BMW sells cars to like young, well kept, dark haired guys who cheat on their wives. Rich. Do you agree? The M5s anyway and so specific. But it's kind of right. Right. Like I think like that's who buys new M5s. Right. Come up. Am I wrong?

[A]

No.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

Never owned a new one.

[B]

And so I would argue that like the screens and the tech is even part of it too. Like they're on the forefront. These young guys who buy the car want like the latest and greatest stuff we've expressed.

[C]

If you're a manager, you're coming up. You buy the M3 but the boss buys the M5. That was always kind of the.

[B]

But it is like a tech cheat on the wife.

[C]

Well I'm not putting that my M5 brethren. But it is a very competent car. Is it necessarily what I want from M5? Not necessarily. It's like I do.

[B]

But you're not.

[C]

But I'm not demo.

[A]

Right.

[C]

Exactly. I'm not the cheating demographic. That's I suppose but a very impressive car nonetheless. The Torque. I'll be thinking about the torque for a long time.

[B]

I think it's impressive. I think also the type of people who buy that car, everybody online complains. Guys with modernity 90s complain. But the type of people who buy that car, they like that. They like everything new and modern. The design is modern and aggressive, the design is fresh and new and cool, etc. Etc. And I think that's what people are looking for.

[C]

I'm even kind of coming around in the way it looks. It doesn't bother me. I don't love it, but it's like it's fine, you know, it's just.

[B]

I like how it looks. I think it's cool.

[C]

I think it's fun.

[B]

I think the new five in general is a really attractive car. And I think in 20 years people are going to come around to that point. I'm just 20 years early as often.

[A]

As it's the case.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

But a good car. Thank you for letting me drive it.

[B]

Yeah, I'm glad you did drive it. You've now driven every generation of the M5.

[A]

I was here.

[C]

That's not true.

[B]

Which one haven't you driven?

[C]

I haven't driven original E28.

[B]

No way.

[C]

I haven't. Haven't driven E34, but I've driven everything.

[A]

You drove E34, M540, right?

[B]

You haven't driven an E34?

[C]

No.

[B]

Well, it's a let down compared to your car. So I actually, I'll tell you, I loved the E28 though. I drove an E28 in Altadena the day before. That guy bought the winning lottery ticket.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

You know the guy?

[C]

Yeah. In Alta.

[B]

It was actually the day of. Wow. I was driving you. He was buying a lottery ticket at the shop and save. I was. I actually broke down in that M5 while I was filming it.

[A]

It.

[B]

So you know who had the better day?

[C]

You're both winners.

[A]

You had a real M5 experience and he won a lottery ticket and now.

[B]

He'S got a lot of M5 experiences because he's bought all these cars. Was this Edwin Castro? Was that his name? Wasn't it?

[C]

I think it's something like that.

[B]

Edwin Castro. Yeah. You don't know this story.

[A]

Can we move on?

[B]

He bought like every Porsche.

[C]

Yeah. He went to like. Remember when they auctioned all those white like Porsche? He went there and like bought loads of them.

[B]

He bought every Porsche. He went to the dealer, said, I want all the kayaks. They said, I don't know. They said, oh, all of them.

[A]

And of course, we now respect him heavily.

[B]

Some people do. Some people only respect people if they have money or. And that's the only reason to respect people.

[A]

A lot of Porsches.

[B]

Okay, next up, market report. Time for the market report brought to you by carsandbids.com, oh com right dot com. Sorry. You got anything else to say about cars and bids?

[A]

Yeah. You can buy or sell your dream car on cars and bids.

[B]

You can sell your dream cars.

[A]

It would be tragic. Maybe you're ready for a new dream. You can sell your dream car and then buy your new dream car like.

[B]

You dreamed the 500 Abarth. And now you're selling it.

[A]

I will sell it. And I. And I now dream of the car I bought on the site, which is a gti.

[B]

Was that a dream or more of a nightmare?

[A]

Which one?

[B]

Okay. The apartheid.

[A]

No, it's been great.

[B]

It's a gti, I guess, since you.

[A]

Mentioned it, it's been great.

[B]

All right, market report. Filippo, what do you got for us?

[A]

All right, this past week we sold a B8S4. That's an Audi S4.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

It was a really nice right stick, red interior, sport differential.

[C]

It also went 8.5.

[A]

Yeah. It also went for what I thought, based on looking at some comps, was a really strong number.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And makes me wonder if people are finally recognizing that, like, here is a really great driver. Sports sedans.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

For a long time, the Audi sports cars especially, they're like the ones based on regular cars, have not gotten much love. They're just depreciating German luxury cars. Cars. But maybe the special ones are starting to get appreciation in the same way that an M3 or a C63 does. And here's one with a stick that did really well.

[B]

Yeah. This is an unusual situation, though. This car is sport differential from the factory and it had a manual. Yeah, I agree with you. The B8s are possibly in the right situation, getting a little bit of recognition. But this particular car was a really desirable one. It had pretty low miles. 62,000 miles is low. A lot of these cars get driven hard and the sticks are rare. The sticks are rare.

[A]

And ba and a half is a special rare.

[B]

But if you're going to get one, this is one to have. It's also a pretty cleanly modified car already titled in California. It's got some nice. If you're interested in mods. Got some nice one. I agree with you. The number was strong for this car and the comments.

[A]

Agreed. But also it makes Sense.

[B]

But it is a. Find another type car. B8S 4S with a stick are not around.

[A]

It gives me hope that people. I think they're really cool cars. I think they're a great, actual fun sports sedan. That was a little underappreciated. It gives me hope that people are recognizing them.

[B]

The B5, B6 and B7 S4 has never really been beloved by the Marquette.

[A]

Nope.

[B]

We got a B6 here in the office actually behind this X3. I don't know if you can see the X3. It's camouflaged. It's stealth. And we got a B6 S4 back there. And it's so good. I have fallen in love with the B6 Audi S4.

[C]

I always wanted one.

[B]

Have you driven that one yet?

[C]

No. I gotta find a video to make drive the car.

[B]

It's your car. But be sixier.

[C]

Which is to say worse. But. But you know, the engine's mounted in front of the front wheels, which is not great. And it's not. And the engine grenades.

[B]

But it's so cool. Well, yeah. So it blows up. I mean whose engine doesn't?

[C]

You know, I've always liked them. I always thought they were. There is a group of people who appreciate them. And when I see a B5S4, I am like, I have incredible respect for the person who owns that because to go through that pain for that cool car is really impressive. And to see a nice one now is unheard of. And the same thing sort of applies to the B6. The B7S4 is awesome. But the B7RS4 exists and so everybody would rather have that. And it's a really, really special car.

[B]

Plus the timing chain issues didn't affect the B7. And in my. It's much in my experience, my mind, if you're not living on the edge like the B6 is like any moment you could start that car and need a motor, then what are you really doing? Okay, next one is manual. Kyan, can you pull up this manual? Kayan?

[A]

That was wild.

[B]

Talk about cars that bring money. Kenan's been looking for a Cayenne. Yeah, I'm still.

[C]

Still on it.

[B]

Ken's been looking for a kind. It's this one here. And, and. And we've been looking at turbos and they're like 20.

[C]

Yeah, yeah, you can get a D. The they're hard to find with great off 20, 25, but yeah, 20, 25, 30 in that range.

[B]

This manual comes up a six cylinder. Black, black. Pretty basic car. Convenience package. Pretty Basic car and it sells for 33. Five with miles. It wasn't. It was like 87,000 to go back.

[A]

A pain.

[C]

To keep that in perspective, we just sold a turbo s. Yeah. For 32.

[B]

It's the same model year by. This is actually a newer car. What, what is the mileage on the turbo S?

[C]

Turbo S, 93, same mile.

[B]

So for, for the same money you could have a turbo s. This is 550 horsepower and I'm sure it has crazy options because they all did. Or you could have a six cylinder stick base car. Nicki Minaj, same money.

[A]

Or a four year newer GTS.

[C]

No, we ignore that. It's got a V6.

[B]

That's a good point actually. But that's a facelift car. That's the 10% less.

[C]

Yeah, yeah, V6. Anyway, this is a V6.

[B]

So if you've already gotten yourself in a V6 mindset, you could have. I mean this is just, it's crazy what these manuals go for.

[C]

I would. Someone I think I'd rather have. I mean the manual is cool, but it's like I've been told they're not.

[B]

Very good to drive.

[C]

Like you don't.

[B]

Of course not.

[A]

They're not sporty manuals, but it's still a manual and it's cool.

[B]

I mean in the Porsche world. Listen, listen. The, the, the cars, the, the, the 911s and boxers that are turquoise over turquoise are ugly, but they're big money because they're cool. And it's the same here. Yeah, it's not the best to drive. He's, he's tuned me out.

[C]

Well, I want to see that boxster. We, we SOL sold more than one.

[B]

Yeah, he's gonna check 100. He's gonna go through 150 listings. My point is, in the Porsche world, people don't care as much about whether it's actually good and more about whether the, the perception of it being interesting.

[A]

And it is interesting.

[B]

That's what sells in the Porsche world. This sold for 19 gram. It's a base Boxster with miles, but it was green. It was turquoise on turquoise with a turquoise parking brake handle. And you ain't gonna find that again. Again. I.

[A]

The manual kins always bring money. We, during the peak of COVID we sold some for really quite astronomical numbers.

[C]

Yeah, no, I mean look it, it is an incredibly cool car. Would I take a turbo S over it?

[A]

You know what's surprising though?

[B]

Well, you say duh, but I think that a lot of people would disagree Turbo S is just a car that like a rich dude buys and it depreciates and whatever. Emmanuel kind is like a special car. I mean, who bought the manuals new? Yeah, it was, it was crazy people. I remember it. I was there. It was crazy people.

[C]

I. I want an automobile. I want to. I want 5. 550 horsepower and that's comfort. That's what I want.

[B]

It depends what you want out of your Cayenne. You want a car that is a usable, practical luxury SUV that you can drive fast. This person wants a car they can throw around the corners and do you, you know, drop a gear?

[A]

They don't care about that. They want to just shift gears. They want to do something with their hands. They want to sit with their hands. Can I. Okay, I do have a question. Zoom back out. Because manual second gen Cayenne, which is what we'll call it, are way more desirable than gtss from the first gen. Scroll back up. We have a gts, a first gen GTS live right now with. With a stick. Because of. In the first gen Cayenne, the GTS was the only one available with a stick. And that's not true.

[B]

There was a six on there. Yeah.

[A]

You will never see them.

[B]

They're very rare.

[A]

Even rare.

[B]

They are not. They are not viewed with the same belovedness as the second.

[A]

Why in my mind, a VA powered Cayenne with a stick should be more. And sporty, pretentious, should be more desirable than the V6 second gen. Yeah. And they're. They're desirable.

[B]

These still bring money. Low mile ones of these still bring money. About same money. I think the prices are, are too close.

[A]

Very similar.

[B]

Yeah. Because. Especially because the, the V8, even though it was the first gen, had a lot more power too. Is 420 horse versus 300.

[A]

We have seven Cayennes live right now.

[B]

Seven Cayennes, dude. This is Cayenne Clearinghouse. And you know what? I don't even mind. Cayennes are great and they're great deals and they're great cars to buy. We bought one. We did.

[C]

Yep.

[A]

We're gonna sell it soon.

[C]

We're gonna sell it very soon.

[B]

Okay, it's time for the questions. The questions are brought to you by Kenan Kennen. He answers your questions.

[C]

I do.

[B]

The questions this week were interesting. Okay. Oh, first let me tell you how to do them. You go to carsandbids.com, you know the website. You click on the community tab and then there's a post there that says like, hey, let's answer your questions. Filippo, you see this? Look at that. That is your dream.

[A]

They're off the market. How sad.

[B]

That is your dream. Anyway, there's a post with the questions. That's where you answer your question. Now, this week we got a bunch of questions. The best questions were not the top ones. I'm gonna breeze through a couple toppies and then we're gonna go on to do it. There's a Grady for you coming.

[C]

Oh, man. I'm braced for impact.

[B]

Oh, quick question from Mr. B. Sean B. Doug. I really missed the more Doug videos. Like the Vegas hotel room tour, et cetera. Can you open a Google spreadsheet with the unlisted video links? Yeah, I guess. I don't know. Can we do that? He looked at me. He doesn't like me. It's like 5:00. He's. He's done. Maybe. I don't know. Find the link somewhere else. Which ones do you like best?

[A]

We'll open those right now. I will say they're all private for a bunch of like, channel related.

[B]

They're listed on. They.

[A]

It doesn't matter. We have to do a bunch of things to. To have the channels work the way we wanted them to. We can consider.

[B]

We'll talk about.

[C]

I do the, the house tours and the, the hotel room tour. I'm particularly fond of because that was when I started at cars and Bids. You called me when you were driving there and then driving back. That was reviewed that day.

[B]

That was true.

[C]

I remember that call. And then Covid happened.

[B]

I was on the Vegas strip.

[A]

Wow.

[C]

Yeah. Had to have a million dollar line of credit to have that hotel room.

[B]

Next question. Also from Mr. Bichon B. Doug, you say the company is no longer yours. Since you sold it, I assume you still have a considerable amount of shares. What about a decision where the higher ups make decisions you disagree with out of your control? How would you handle it? The ownership structure is weird because, yeah, I do have a lot of shares and I'm also like the face. Like, look at me.

[A]

Yeah, that's your face.

[B]

So it's weird that I'm a minority, but also like the person. Well, get out of beard and so. But the thing about it is, I'm not a business person. Everybody blames me for everything that happens on Cars and Bits, but like, I don't know what the hell's going on. I make YouTube videos as a professional passion. It's what I do. When. When the investors came and said, hey, we're gonna. We're gonna Buy this thing. I was like, oh my God, thank God somebody's gonna do this because I can't anymore. I really, really, truly mean that. There are decisions that are made here every day that I'm in awe of that I like wouldn't have done myself and that I'm surprised by. And some of them don't work and some of them do work. But regardless, like I wouldn't have taken this to where it is now. And so I try to lay my. I try to leave my hands off for the executives and the investors to govern. And that's kind of that. Next question From Big Ultima Hater 6. Which car offers the most exotic and beautiful looks for the money? In other words, which car provides the best looks per dollar value?

[C]

I have thoughts on that one.

[B]

Vantage V8 Vantage.

[C]

V8 Vantage is very good. You mean sports cars specifically or anything?

[B]

Anything. You're talking Cayenne now.

[C]

No, the Cayenne's a very good looking car. You won't like this. Oh, you won't like this either.

[A]

You're going to say Gran Turismo.

[B]

No, it'll be ether 9m5.

[C]

The Fisker Karma in my mind is an extraordinarily attractive car. And they're pretty inexpensive. This one was a nice one, sold for 366 but you can get them for 17. The problem that I have, I think they're really pretty.

[B]

When I see one, I think like orphaned brand, laughable car. Barely keeping it on the road like this is the delorean of the modern era. Now deloreans are cool now. But there was a long time where people thought.

[C]

When I look at it, see, I remember in 2012 I came to San Diego for the very first time and Fisker was a brand that existed. They had a showroom in San Diego. And I went and pictures in the Fisker showroom.

[B]

But if I saw spectacular. So they're cool at the time, right?

[C]

But as they've aged, I still think they're cool. And they had the plug in hybrid idea. It was a good idea. It was just. It was a little bit ahead of its time because now it's the new.

[A]

Well and it used the GM ecotech.

[B]

Engine right now a great Chevy co, Chevy Cobalt power.

[C]

But I think they are especially that rear haunch. I just think it is extraordinarily striking car.

[A]

Is it a beautiful car? I don't know.

[C]

I think it's beautiful. But V advantage color? Well, they put. So they put glass in their paint as their metallic which is why it's so poppy.

[B]

The. I agree that this car is pretty cool, but I don't think it's the most. Aston Martin.

[C]

Is an Aston Martin another one you'll disagree with. But the.

[B]

Yeah, the.

[C]

Probably one of those old rolls hoses like a. Like a.

[B]

Like one of. Like one.

[A]

Is that a beautiful car? It's a.

[C]

Like a stately car.

[A]

Is it a beautiful.

[B]

Well, it says exotic and beautiful. I was filming that today and everybody's staring at me and I'm like.

[A]

The same is true if you're driving a G wagon.

[C]

Well, if beautiful and exhausting, which are what you want, this is a good one. Gran Turismo is one. You hate the way it looks, but you're wrong.

[B]

I think it's ugly, but I do think it looks exotic. And people.

[A]

People are exotic. Okay, look at that.

[C]

I agree that is a beautiful car. And for $15,000, I mean that more value than the Aston.

[B]

Yeah, I agree.

[A]

Yeah, that is an exotic looking car. Even if it's Aston's better.

[C]

I would heart take the Aston over this, but nonetheless, that is a. That is a. A beautiful car. Our producer had somebody, one of his friends who's a non car person saw a Gran Turismo modded one with like lip broken off and like took a selfie.

[B]

Cu.

[C]

She's like, it's a Maserati. It's like normal car people still have that or normal non car people still have that reaction.

[B]

Okay, I agree with all those. Do you have Jaguar xk? Yeah, that's a good one. It is beautiful. It. People think it's expensive. It is not.

[A]

Yep.

[B]

Yeah, those are.

[A]

That's a $13,000.

[C]

Thirteen thousand.

[B]

That is a beautiful car.

[A]

Gorgeous car.

[B]

Oh, wow.

[A]

I didn't realize it was that.

[B]

Oh yeah.

[A]

That cheap.

[B]

I think you're going for 10.

[A]

I mean I.

[B]

But get an 07. 5. 07. I bet they're 10. But here's an 07. 15. Keep going.

[A]

Just go for cheapest price.

[B]

No, no.

[A]

Lowest price.

[C]

Oh yeah. Lowest prices.

[A]

Well, not lowest prices. 10 go.

[B]

Well, the cheapest ones are 10, 11, 12.

[C]

Wow. That is an. I did not know they were that cheap.

[A]

Beautiful car for that crazy.

[B]

You know, in 07 they had the antenna. You remember this?

[A]

No.

[B]

Click on that one. 07. 07. Jack hadn't figured out how to do the antenna yet. Oh, you're right, they did. So in only 07 they had. Wow, an antenna. Off the bat.

[A]

My 1.

[B]

Which screwed up the whole look of the car. Beautiful design. They didn't figure out how to like bury the antenna in the windshield like everybody else or put the aerial on the center.

[C]

I can't.

[B]

You want one of these? How good or bad are they? I don't know. They get.

[A]

They're not sports cars, but like they get miled up.

[B]

We get them submitted. How many miles this thing have. They get submitted with some miles. But don't they have that AJ V8 that's problematic. That was in all the Range rovers probably. Although it's 07. It doesn't. It has the V8. That was in my Range Rover. That was really reliable.

[A]

110,000 miles in your next car. Interesting.

[C]

That is appealing.

[A]

Yep.

[B]

Okay, here are some great ones. There's some great questions this week. Some of the very best. Don't look at them. Don't look at them ahead of time.

[A]

I apologize.

[B]

Be surprised. From Ranger 22445. Can you share the YouTube analytics for the grand national video? After the Kendrick Lamar song released, he actually the super bowl halftime. Because Kendrick Lamar has already been all grand nationally. He had an album entitled GNX where the GNX was on the COVID We. Okay, I looked and you want to know something? No effect. There was a slight effect. So it went from maybe 800 views per hour to like a TH000. Not huge. But you know what I noticed if you look at them in December, it spiked to like 22,000 views. Perhaps.

[A]

Maybe that's when the album. Album.

[B]

Maybe the album gave out that. What the hell? So like the spike for the super bowl was like this to this. But the spike in December was like way up here. Who's looking at grand national content back.

[A]

At plus we should have titled that video gnx even though it wasn't a gnx.

[B]

Just to get the click. Just to get the clicks. Just to get the clicks. That's so true.

[A]

Honestly, I'm going to add GNX to the search for terms. No, I won't actually.

[B]

Okay. From. Oh, yes, yes. Kenan, this one's for you and all of us except him. Can you rank the mid engine V8 Ferrari cars from least to most favorite? Favorite. Okay.

[C]

Okay. So we're assuming is the 308 GT4 included?

[B]

No, I think yes.

[C]

308 through 8 through F8.

[B]

Oh, okay.

[C]

Well, he said V8.

[B]

Well, yeah, no, but the tuna. Okay, fine. You don't have to put the Tuna 6 in purity. It's the. Okay, fine.

[C]

Well, but it takes that eight cylinders. He wants to know. He doesn't think that it qualifies.

[B]

That's a good point. So 308, 328. I'm gonna write them down here. So we.

[A]

Yep.

[C]

3, 4, 8, 308, 328 F. 355.

[B]

348, 355, 364, 30 F. 430, 458, 488, 488 and F8.

[C]

Okay, so I've driven.

[B]

We agree the worst is the 348, which is not a negative on the 348, but it's the worst option. I will track these for you.

[C]

I don't know if it's quite the. I mean, because like a two valve 308, like the one, the GTSI that you, you drove, that car was amazing. Yeah, but it's.

[B]

You're gonna throw the 308 under the bus. That wedgie car.

[C]

That's the problem. Because the QV is amazing. The Vertores Inn is great and the GTSI is fun.

[B]

I think 348 goes first because it was worst. It was unreliable, it was not particularly attractive. The interior's not great, it's not fast.

[C]

It has attributes that are good.

[B]

It does steering. It has great steering.

[C]

Best of way better than the 355.

[B]

It's pretty quick, thick.

[C]

It's good looking. I think it's eight. I think it's, it's of its time. I think it looks really, It's.

[B]

But the 308 looks better.

[C]

308 is prettier. 348 is more striking, I think.

[B]

Oh, that's crazy. The wedge.308. The 308's a wedge.

[C]

The 348 is a wedge.

[A]

I can tell them apart.

[B]

If he saw those two cars, he didn't know what he's looking at. He'd look at the 38 and be like, oh, a countach. I'm telling you.

[A]

So your least favorite is.

[C]

No, I think that I love the way 348, like a late one, an early one.

[B]

We agree 308 and 348 are the worst two, right?

[C]

Yes. Oh, I'm not going to count the 208. The 208 Turbo.

[B]

No, I'm not going to count of the 208. Okay, so 308 and 348 are the worst 2, right?

[A]

I. I'm doing the opposite.

[C]

I don't know.

[A]

I. I got this for you, Doug.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

So I, if you're going to go, I don't, I don't like the 488 at all. To be honest with you, the 488 feels like a normal car that you would just use. It is. There's nothing exciting about it. There's nothing. It's not thrilling. It's. It's. It's.

[B]

What do we think?

[C]

458 looks better.

[B]

What do we think's the best?

[C]

355. I don't.

[B]

Looks the best.

[A]

Because this is.

[C]

That's a question. No, I mean, but then the problem is like. You mean because, like, the 360 favorite. The challenge stradale exists. But if I compare a challenge to rally to a 308.

[B]

No, I think just the base car has to be like the normal.

[C]

The base car.

[B]

Yeah, like, because we could. We could also put the 360. The windshield list. 360 that they gave to Luke as a wedding present. And that would win. Obviously. It'd be number one one there.

[A]

Also your. Your favorite. What is your favorite? I think we. We may have to move on, but what's your favorite?

[B]

The windshield.

[A]

The windshield of the nor.

[B]

No, we're not going to move on. We're going to get to this. I'm okay. I'll tell you the. I'm going. Look at them right now. I'm going to tell you. Here's the order. Number one as worst or best.

[C]

Best.

[B]

4. 30.

[A]

430 is the best.

[C]

Better than the 451.

[B]

Number two. 458 had a stick. Dude, it had a stick.

[C]

Well, you. The 4. 5 base car.

[B]

Well, I don't know. Generally it had a stick. 430.

[C]

Generally 7% of them have sticks. They're like 12 in the world.

[B]

Number one.

[C]

That is 430.

[B]

Because the stick was available. No, I'm talking about the car in general. 430.

[A]

Yes.

[C]

In general. They were F1s. It's an F1 car.

[B]

Number two. It's an F1 car. No, but it's a. It's 430. Number two. Four, five, eight.

[A]

Yeah. Okay.

[B]

Number three. 355.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Number four. F8.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

Jeez. Number five. 360. Number six. 328. Number 748. Number eight. 308. Number nine. 348. Boom. I did it, dude. It's hard. They're all good.

[C]

They are. That is true. They are all good. I don't like. I don't like the F8. I don't like.

[B]

Fine. So give us your list or best to work first. Bam it up.

[C]

It's really hard to think that's really?

[A]

Look, dude, there are nine cars. Just go for it.

[B]

This is hypothetical again, Kenan.

[C]

I know, but it's really hard. I think. I think that. I still think the F355 reigns supreme. Like it is more of a Ferrari driving experience than the other ones. Like the 355 is exciting.

[A]

And the car you decided to sell after owning it for nine months.

[C]

Because guess what? After all of that pain, I still want one.

[B]

355 you over 430 and 458. 355 over 430.

[C]

Let me ask you a question. They both parked in a parking lot. Which one would you go look at?

[B]

I would look at a 355. It's the most beautiful. There's no question. Except maybe 450. It's the most beautiful.

[C]

I guess the question was the. My favorite. My favorite favorite is a question.

[B]

Yeah. At least most favorite favorite. But it should be best.

[C]

I ranked it by F.355 is my favorite. I think that the.

[B]

You gotta go 430. 430. 458. Just say 408. Choose an order of those two.

[A]

He's gonna say like 348 now. No. Because it was a precursor to 355.

[C]

All the wedge cars I like way more than the stuff that came later.

[B]

But I do 328 should be up there. Then I. Because that's the one.

[C]

I think three two, eight is probably third. But I think that. I think I would probably. I think the. I think the 430s would probably be second. I would rather have that than a 458 tab. Probably the 328. 308. They are kind. They are.

[A]

I can put next to each other. Great.

[C]

The. Then I would say probably the 458 after that.

[B]

Oh, wow. The port 363 over 458.

[C]

What?

[B]

Get the 308 over the 458.

[C]

I'd way rather have a. I. I think I To own. I'd way rather have a 3. 380.

[A]

You're going to go for a Mondial next fit the category.

[C]

But the horn goes beep. And it. It's just. And they were all basically manuals. 100 of them are manuals. Not 7%. Your 430s. Yeah. But then. Yeah. I think the. Yeah. 458. Then.

[B]

Then you're stuck on F8. 488. 360 and 348.

[C]

I think you're not gonna like this. But it's probably say 360 and then 4. Then F8, then no. Then 48. No. Yeah, F8, then 48 at the bottom.

[B]

Well, then 348. Oh.

[C]

Then 348 at the bottom.

[A]

3348 at the bottom.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

You guys are aligned on. I barely put it above two things you're aligned to. The 348 is the worst.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And that is it.

[B]

No, we're aligned on some more than that. 360 is in basically the same spot for both of us. Kind of mid pack.430 is near the top for both of us. And I love 355. Mine. 355 is number three for me. Number one for you. I love it too. I think it's great.

[C]

I think. Yep.

[B]

That's a tough one. They're all good. It's. It's different from 9 11s where it'd be very easy. Okay, next question from AWGR. This is our last good one. Our last question, and it's a very good one. You leave that up for the rest of us.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Thank you.

[A]

Agreed.

[B]

What car do you consider to be the baseline for special enough to take out your phone and snap a picture? I recently saw a Stado on the road, and as an adult man, I felt silly for snapping a pick. But there are definitely cars. I would. Where is your line? First off, I would snap a pic of every Stado. I snap a pick of everything. I took a pic yesterday. What was it?

[A]

You don't send me these.

[B]

I gotta send it to you. It was something. Oh, it was an xm and I was in the Courage GT with a template, and I wanted to be like.

[A]

Last time I saw an xm, which is also a template, I took a picture. Then it's you.

[B]

I'm.

[A]

I'm offended.

[B]

Well, I apologize. I send. I think if I see a Dodge Stealth. I saw SVT Contour and I was in the CR GT and I took a picture. Nobody in our group chat, by the way, seemed to care about my SVT Contour site.

[C]

I'll be honest. Blue, right. Pass. It didn't even two wanted horse. I. I do like it.

[A]

Talked about the S. I agree that one was a little borderline. But I will often take a picture or ask my wife to take a picture and she'll be like, why is that special? Like, I. I'm not going to bother explaining why this right. Buick Skylark is special.

[B]

Right. Oh, if you saw a Skylark.

[A]

Right.

[B]

Y. I had a buddy when it.

[A]

My that's all to say that my line is low.

[B]

No, no, the 90s one.

[A]

Yeah, right.

[C]

He would think that the original one was a 20s car. Fleet has a cut off for all old cars like built in the before 1981 or built in the 20s.

[A]

So my line is real low and peculiar. So I can't answer the question.

[C]

I take, I, I will take a picture of a car if I know it's important to somebody who I know. Like a friend of mine. Like if you. That I would do like for you. I might not. I, I, I don't know if I'd take a picture of an Abarth for you.

[B]

Cuz I wouldn't hope that you do any.

[C]

But if I saw like a, if I saw, I don't know if I saw someone imported a Panda and I saw. I would take a p. Concord Italiano. I took the picture of that panda 4x4.

[A]

Yeah, you better leave that tone number.

[C]

Next time because I knew he'd like it.

[B]

I shoot every. I take pictures of everything. I've. I love seeing the vehicles stuff in context. Yeah. I'm a press photographer and I take pictures of everything and I really enjoy seeing the pictures. I love sending the pictures. I take pictures for the right people and that's that. Are you okay? We will move on. That's the end of our segment today unless Kenan has any parting thoughts for us. Ken355.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Gorgeous car.

[C]

That's Rosso Barchetta them.

[B]

You got any thoughts for us?

[A]

Panda 4x4.

[B]

Panda 4x4 is your thought.

[A]

My thought is Panda 4x4 squared. Now that I think about it for. Somebody's done one. I have no doubt.

[B]

Dude, that would be legit. Yeah. There are guys in Italy right now wearing suspenders and no shirt who have one of those. You know what I'm talking about.

[C]

Feels a little racy.

[A]

Porto.

[B]

No, these are the hill folk. FIO knows exactly what I'm talking about.

[A]

I didn't say no.

[B]

Look at that. That. Oh, wow.

[C]

That's useful. Felipe.

[A]

No.

[C]

All right, we'll overlay it.

[B]

Okay, everyone, thank you so much for watching, for participating, honestly, for sending us your questions. We were excellent this week.

[C]

The most chaotic podcast yet.

[B]

It was the best podcast we've ever done. Thanks primarily to Filippo and Kenan.

[C]

Thank you. And to you, Doug.

[B]

Goodbye, everyone.

[C]

Goodbye, Sa.