The AI Online Car Auction Drama, an Ugly Ferrari Collection & Bugatti Repair

Summary

THIS CAR POD! with Doug DeMuro & Friends

Episode: The AI Online Car Auction Drama, an Ugly Ferrari Collection & Bugatti Repair

Date: January 23, 2026

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Episode Overview

This episode is a fast-paced, entertaining ride through the latest hot topics in the car world, blending in-depth analysis, industry gossip, and classic banter. Doug DeMuro, Filippo, and Kenan cover a recent AI-generated auction scandal, dissect the strange world of highly optioned Ferraris, debate the car market’s direction, and provide colorful takes on everything from Bugatti repairs to Chinese EVs and ultra-high-mileage collectibles. The crew also answers lively audience questions, often veering into hilarious tangents. Throughout, the show maintains its trademark blend of expertise, irreverence, and passion for all things automotive.

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Main Discussion Points & Insights

1. AI Car Auction Controversy (00:09–08:19)

• Background: An AI-generated Cadillac Deville appeared on Bring a Trailer, sparking uproar due to impossible features (dual shifters, cobblestone floor mats, mismatched design elements).
• Analysis:
  • The hosts acknowledge the growing challenge AI poses for online auction sites.
  • Doug emphasizes the importance of careful vetting and personal attention at Cars & Bids, contrasting their approach with what they perceive as Bring a Trailer’s high-volume, lower-touch model.
  • Debate ensues about the growing risks of subtle AI image manipulation (e.g., hiding dents).
  • Memorable Quote – Doug:
    "AI is going to be a problem for any auction site because people want to make their photo a little bit better..." (02:35)
  • Filippo’s candor:
    "Someday this will happen to Cars and Bids. Randy's up there right now going, I'm going to submit an AI Honda Prelude to Cars and Bids right now." (02:22)
  • Discussion on process, transparency, and community policing to mitigate such issues.

2. The ‘Ugliest’ Ferrari Auction Collection & Market Shifts (09:12–16:58)

• Story: Ferraris from the Bachmann Collection, left undriven and spec’d in bizarre ways, sell for huge sums at auction.
• Market Commentary:
  • Modern, limited-edition Ferraris outperformed expectations, selling for more than blue-chip classics like the 250 GTO.
  • The hosts debate if there’s a generational shift in collectible tastes away from 1960s icons toward late-model rarities.
  • Quote – Filippo (re the Ferrari 360 CS):
    "That 360, I'm telling you, is the ugliest thing I've ever seen." (11:20)
  • Kenan notes:
    "Money can't buy you taste – and this is proof." (11:35)
  • Discussion of auction house competition (Mecham, RM, Gooding, etc.) and the quirks of auction pricing.

3. Movie Cars: The Iron Man NSX Auction (17:29–19:51)

• News: Acura’s Tony Stark (Iron Man) NSX—an old NSX rebodied as the movie’s “prototype”—is coming up for charity auction on Cars & Bids.
• Doug’s excitement:
  "I love one offs. I love movie cars. I can't wait. We're going to sell this on Cars and Bids." (18:16)
• The panel discuss its provenance, high mileage, and collectible appeal.

4. Chinese EVs Entering Canada & Global Shifts (20:02–24:52)

• Main Point: Canada dramatically drops tariffs on Chinese-made cars (notably EVs), allowing limited units at low tariff rates.
• Macro Analysis:
  • China’s EV market is surging globally, while US EV growth lags.
  • The hosts argue the US risks falling behind by resisting EV imports and not investing enough in domestic EV production.
  • Filippo warns:
    "As we hold the world off from electric cars, we are going to fall behind..." (23:11)

5. New Model Spotlight: Volvo EX60 (25:34–28:07)

• Highlights:
  • All-electric Volvo crossover with up to 670 hp
  • Hosts marvel at the power escalation and discuss the absurdity and market motivations for such figures in family cars.
• Memorable Exchange:
  • Doug: "Volvo globally has speed limiters. So you can't drive Volvo more than 112mph." (27:05)
  • Filippo: "There's now a midsize...God only knows, the full size Volvo crossover has 1000, 1100 horsepower." (26:12)

6. V8 Enthusiasm: Mustang Dark Horse SC Announcement (28:12–31:57)

• News: Ford launches the supercharged Mustang Dark Horse SC.
• Analysis:
  • It’s essentially a GT500 without the Shelby name, expected to slot between 700 and 800 hp.
  • Sentimental longing for analog cars like the GT350, lamenting their disappearance.
• Quote – Kenan:
  "That Tremec 6 speed felt so good. And that flat plane crank Voodoo engine. Not reliable. I know, but like the sound was just..." (29:59)

7. Lamborghini Sales Records & CEO Praise (33:48–37:52)

• News: Lamborghini sets a new annual sales record (10,747 units, mostly Urus SUVs).
• Discussion:
  • Praise for CEO Stefan Winkelmann’s leadership and product strategy.
  • Numerically small year-on-year growth, but impressive given model cycles.
  • Kenan:
    "I'm happy for Lamborghini, to be quite frank with you. I think it's really cool. I think the appreciation of their older cars shows that there's more interest in this brand, which it deserves." (36:56)

8. Formula 1 Livery News: Audi’s Entry & Engine Musings (37:47–41:17)

• News: Audi unveils new F1 team livery; detailed discussion of the shifting team landscape.
• Skepticism:
  • The team expresses disappointment that Audi isn’t making its own engines yet; similar criticism for Cadillac.
  • Filippo’s wish for production car engines in F1 like the old days.

9. YouTuber Supercar Repairs: Bugatti & Legalities (42:22–45:08)

• Case: Matt Armstrong’s Bugatti rebuild; CEO Mate Rimac of Bugatti responds on social.
• Key Takeaways:
  • Supercar repairs are complicated, parts are often not interchangeable, and costs are astronomical.
  • Rimac can’t officially condone privateer repairs for safety/legal reasons but appreciates the enthusiasm.
• Filippo humorously relates:
  "But we all watch the Matt Armstrong videos. All of us have you watch him ... if I could sell Filippo for that property, I would." (43:50)

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Market Report, Quick Takes & Fans Q&A

10. Collectible Car Market: SLS AMG, Subaru STI, & More (55:11–60:46)

• SLS AMG with 67k+ miles sold for $160,500
  • Demonstrates the market’s strong appetite for well-used, well-maintained modern exotics.
• Subaru WRX STI Type RA with 13k miles sold for $40k—shows "modern classics" are appreciating.
  • Kenan: "A rare Subaru is one that's rare because it's not modified..." (58:56)
• The panel debates which modern enthusiast cars are "the next thing" for collectors.

11. Listener Questions & Banter (61:12–77:58)

• Prius Generations Ranked (62:05–65:35)
  • General agreement: 2nd gen (2004–09) is the most significant. Most modern Prius is a close second.
  • Doug: "This car changed the world. It showed us all that you didn't have to be some weirdo hippie... to drive a Prius." (64:07)
• “Most Republican Cars” Discussion (65:37–69:03)
  • Picks include Hummer H2, Sequoia TRD Pro, Ford Raptor, Tundra TRD Pro, Cybertruck, and E-class wagon ("in a different way").
  • Humorous but insightful riff on vehicles’ cultural signaling.
• Pre-1980 Cars on Cars & Bids (69:23–71:50)
  • Doug: "When you have a team that's incredibly good at knowing the market values of every car from 1981 to the present day, it takes a little bit of time to get really, really good at every other car from 1901 to 1980." (70:10)
• Color Spec Obsession (71:56–73:46)
  • Explored the line between reasonable color preference and Porsche-owner-level option mania.
• VR6 Debate (74:09–75:58)
  • Doug and Filippo argue the “VR6” is mainly marketing, not fundamentally different from other V6s.
• Cinematic Videos Behind-the-Scenes (76:00–78:55)
  • The team discusses the considerable work behind "cinematic" car videos.
  • Doug: "That night video of The NSX took 61 hours. Actually, I bet it took more than that..." (76:56)

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Notable Quotes & Moments (with Timestamps)

• Doug (on auction vigilance):
  "What we can do is be more forthright, be really vigilant, and then be really responsive..." (07:20)
• Filippo (on ugly Ferraris):
  "These cars are really special because they were undriven cars. They had zero miles on them ... and they were all also like incredibly high window sticker cars because every box had been checked in a crazy way." (09:55)
• Kenan (on market trends):
  "I do wonder if it starts to indicate that there's a shift in the market away from those cars, from blue chip cars from the 1960s..." (11:35)
• Doug (re: Carrera GT):
  "It doesn't look like one. It straight up is one." (15:30)
• Filippo (on Koenigsegg and Pagani):
  "Every Pagani, new Pagani and Koenigsegg buyer is sketch." (16:01)
• Kenan (about SLS market):
  "They drive the same dual clutches in the 458. It's modern car, fast. And the doors go like this." (56:15)
• Filippo (rationalizing a $25k Porsche repair):
  "As far as I'm concerned, this $25,000 service saved me like almost $400,000. I really owe those folks a debt of gratitude." (46:45)

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Episode Structure & Timestamps for Key Segments

| Segment | Start | End | |--------------------------------------------|----------|----------| | AI Auction Scandal | 00:09 | 08:19 | | Ferrari Collection/Market Discussion | 09:12 | 16:58 | | Iron Man NSX Auction | 17:29 | 19:51 | | Chinese EVs in Canada | 20:02 | 24:52 | | Volvo EX60 | 25:34 | 28:07 | | Mustang Dark Horse SC | 28:12 | 31:57 | | Lamborghini Sales Record | 33:48 | 37:52 | | F1 Livery and Engine Brands | 37:47 | 41:17 | | Bugatti Repair Drama | 42:22 | 45:08 | | Used SLS and Modern Classics Market | 55:11 | 60:46 | | Listener Q&A & Trivia | 61:12 | 77:58 |

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Tone & Language

The episode features lively, opinionated, and often hilarious banter. The hosts take deep dives into technical and market issues but always circle back to personal perspective, storytelling, and self-aware humor. They don’t shy away from poking fun at themselves, the car community, or each other. Industry critiques are thoughtful but never mean-spirited; satire blends with insight throughout.

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For listeners who missed the episode:

This summary covers all major topics, arguments, and standout moments—with quotes and context—so you’ll be up to speed and ready to join the conversation, debate a Ferrari spec, or laugh at the notion of cobblestone floor mats and dual shifters ruining an AI-generated Cadillac Deville.

Transcript

[Doug DeMuro]

Foreign.

[Filippo]

Hello and welcome to this car pod.

[Kenan]

I'm Kenan.

[Filippo]

I'm Filippo and there's a lot to talk about. Let's start with the news. Ah, yes. This. Bring the trailer. We, we. This is. We have to be careful about talking about this. We run. This is the Cars and Bids podcast. We run a competing business to bring the trailer and bring the trailer over the weekend last week, God knows when they ran an AI car for auction. It was a Cadillac deville. Okay. And it was the good deville, the one we all liked. You like the next gen. There were elements of this one, the next gen in this one. If you actually go through the photos. Some of the photos. So anyway, they ran this car and it turned out it was a little AI and some of the stuff in the auction, like for instance, there's two shifters here. Interestingly, they're completely different. How do you think you drive a dual shifter. AI generated dual shifter deville.

[Doug DeMuro]

I was just. There's a Pathfinder over there and there's a transfer case and a manual shifter. And they look similar.

[Filippo]

Yes.

[Kenan]

Interesting.

[Filippo]

That is. This is a deville with a mounted transfer case. We always lamented the fact that this deville was front wheel drive when it should have been rear wheel drive.

[Doug DeMuro]

They fix that.

[Filippo]

This fixes a four wheel drive.

[Doug DeMuro]

Right.

[Kenan]

And so when you're off roading, you get stuck in a mess, you just go, you go.

[Filippo]

You put it in low range.

[Kenan]

That's right.

[Filippo]

What else? We got these pictures.

[Kenan]

Yeah. So that one, of course, this is the one.

[Filippo]

That really rare option on this deville. Cobblestone floor mats. Now go to the auction. Do you have the auction pulled up?

[Kenan]

Yes, of course.

[Filippo]

Go back to the auction. Click on just some of the. Like this picture of the car. I was looking at it and I'm like, there's elements like this has the partial LED tails from the next gen deville. Like these wheels are like generic, but they're from a LeSabre kind of. They're not Deville ones. It really wasn't great. So this obviously generated an enormous amount of controversy. And I invite you to read the. Here's front and rear cobblestone floor mats, right?

[Kenan]

And in some pictures they're there and in others they're not.

[Filippo]

Now, AI man, it's easy to sit here and be critical of. Bring the trailer for focusing on volume too much, for not being as fastidious as they once were. We can talk about a lot of this stuff. Can I make a couple of however.

[Doug DeMuro]

That I actually care about?

[Filippo]

No, I want to say in all seriousness, this is. Someday this will happen to Carson. Randy's up there right now going, I'm going to submit an AI Honda Prelude to cars and vids right now.

[Doug DeMuro]

Catch it. It's an interesting situation. Obviously, AI is going to be a problem for any auction site because people want to make their photo a little bit better, or they don't know how to edit, or they don't know how to take good photos. They're like, okay, let me just run it through AI and do this.

[Filippo]

And I'm sure people have done it for cars that we've sold and maybe even we haven't caught.

[Doug DeMuro]

And if you're careful about it, if you're not changing something substantive about the car, the same way that when you're a photographer, you're editing the photo, you might be tweaking lighting, but you're not like airbrushing out flaws, right? Like A.I. you have to be really careful with how you're prompting it, what your output is. In my mind, we as an auction site can do a couple of things to prevent that. First, we can make really clear, as we already do to sellers, like, hey, don't do this. It's not like, don't use AI it will not be a good outcome. But the other thing is that we have purposely built a process that involves a lot of people looking at every single listing and working one on one with the seller. When you submit a car to Cars and Bids, we have a team of actual humans that are talking to you that we have an out. You get assigned an auction manager who's then working with you throughout the process. And they're actually truly looking at every single location.

[Filippo]

Is that over at Bring the trailer? They're not doing that. You think they're just like, boom, boom. I'll tell you what happened here. I think you want to know what happened. I'll tell you what happened.

[Doug DeMuro]

There's a lot of templating.

[Filippo]

This is an $8,000 used car. And bring the trailers kind of more into the volume side of things. Even though they have the flashy big cars, there's a lot of this volume. And the $8,000 car comes in and they're like, just, boom, get it up. And I think that one of the things that has hit me is that if you're selling a non zillion dollar supercar, we put a lot more energy and effort into those.

[Doug DeMuro]

And we really do have people that are like, your auction manager is going to look at every photo you upload. The Person that writes a listing, that is an expert at cars, at knowing cars, that cares about cars, that's doing this, sure, for money, but because they love cars, is going to look at the photos too. Will something get by a group of people? Probably. And I'm sure that there have been things maybe not to those levels of business. Like, I'm sure there have been mistakes that get by people because humans are humans and people make mistakes.

[Kenan]

I do like to think that whether someone who's looking at this as a car enthusiast or not, we see, we see cobblestone, you notice something ain't right, you know.

[Doug DeMuro]

Or if you see next generation deville.

[Filippo]

Tail lights, you're like, it's even too expensive. Everything is, I mean, even this picture.

[Kenan]

Well, even like the text on the license plate frame is incorrect.

[Filippo]

Like, it, it's, it's all. It's pretty bad. I will say obviously this happened because they are not maybe as looking as closely as we are. It's a luxury that we have. We're smaller. We, we. We are able to.

[Doug DeMuro]

And we've made a conscious decision.

[Filippo]

We are very focused on making sure that stuff goes upright. With that said, one thing that this does raise, beyond the ridiculousness of this auction, what stops someone from AI ing out a dentist, you know, that is hard to spot. It's easy to spot two column shifters and cobblestone floor mats. Or it should be easy. What happens though, seriously, like what happens for a dent or what happens for a bent wheel or you know what I'm saying? Like, that stuff is hard.

[Kenan]

It is hard. And I think as AI Gets even better, this will only become a larger problem.

[Filippo]

Right now, maybe it's not so hard.

[Kenan]

I think that one of the great benefits is also having the videos. It's like, it's harder to do it in that. And when AI does videos, it's just so blatantly obvious right now. It won't always be like that though. So, I mean, but the beauty is we have a very talented tech team who I'm sure will figure out solutions around this too and will remain vigilant on it as well.

[Doug DeMuro]

And it's very much whack a mole, right? Like anytime we talk a lot with our team of writers and editors, like, these are some signs you can look for in photos right now. A month from now that might be different. So there's certainly some amount of whack a mole, but we have a lot of people involved and we are also vetting sellers and kind of make sure that are they actually engaged Are they being transparent and forthcoming with information? And then you have a bunch of people in the comments that are looking through every photo with additional detail, with additional scrutiny on top of what our team has done.

[Filippo]

I wouldn't be at all surprised as we sit here laughing at this.

[Doug DeMuro]

No.

[Filippo]

If in a year they're laughing at us for something that we do, they have a podcast over there at Bring the Trail.

[Kenan]

Technically.

[Filippo]

Technically, yeah, they do. If they're laughing. This is a possibility. Now, one other interesting thing. If you think about it. In real estate, it's commonplace. It's just accepted. If you go on any real estate listing, there's AI.

[Kenan]

It got me on that V with a 250 GTO, which of course, I was just an idiot, but it also got me.

[Filippo]

It's like, pretty commonplace. And so the seller may not have even been thinking, oh, this is so bad. Like, I want to make this car. I want to present it in a nicer setting. Which isn't a terrible idea, but it does add some interesting complexity to the whole thing. I agree. The videos are helpful. Driving video, walk around video. Much harder to fake at this stage with AI And I think it'll be.

[Doug DeMuro]

Years before and when you are doing 50, 100 more. More photos. Likely there's some angle where that didn't get caught by AI where AI didn't feel that way. Right.

[Kenan]

Yeah. How many. How many photos?

[Doug DeMuro]

Like, it will be 56. Inevitably, this is going to be a problem for everybody. There's no world with where AI is where it's not a problem for everybody. But what we can do is be more forthright, be really vigilant, and then be really responsive. I mean, frankly, from like an auction operations standpoint, the initial response in this auction from bring the trailer was, oh, we're gonna go ask the seller for more photos. I'm like, maybe that's not gonna help you that much.

[Filippo]

They did cancel the auction, and there was a ton of flak in the comments, which they got in there and personally replied to, which is the cheesy and correct way to do it. And it's what I would do if faced with the same circumstance here and as sit here throwing stones in our glass house. One day, one of those stones will break our walls and or windows. I think that's what that analogy is. While we're throwing cobblestones, someday Randy's gonna call. There wasn't actually a vehicross. That was all AI. I gotcha.

[Doug DeMuro]

My summary of this is it's gonna be wrong for everybody. We're gonna be as vigilant and as human focused and as make sure that there's real people with eyeballs that care. And that's gonna be the most that we can do.

[Filippo]

But I also think if we had a. I remember one time a seller, right when a car was about to go live, a seller told us that it crashed. I guess he had probably sold it somewhere else. Remember this?

[Doug DeMuro]

I do.

[Filippo]

And we said, can we see a picture? We didn't really buy it. Oh, yeah. And the crash aied a crash. So obviously BS it was a photo.

[Kenan]

From the photo set. If you're gonna do it, at least, like, go outside.

[Filippo]

He had already st the photos in uncrashed.

[Kenan]

It was unbelievable.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah, people are gonna use.

[Filippo]

That's part of the problem, too. People don't understand. People are nuts. People are nuts. Look at him.

[Kenan]

Yeah, look at me. Look at him. Look at you.

[Doug DeMuro]

But you know what? We're nuts. But we are transparent sellers.

[Filippo]

Oh, that's cute. All right, let's move on to the next news story.

[Kenan]

All right, New next news story.

[Filippo]

Oh, yes. Some Ferrari sold that car, by the way, is u carvers in my life.

[Kenan]

The Ferrari 360. I mean, there are a couple of them in contention here.

[Filippo]

I don't mind the 599.

[Kenan]

You don't mind that?

[Filippo]

No, dude, I think it looks all right. But the.

[Doug DeMuro]

The.

[Filippo]

The red headlights on. Okay, here's. Let me tell you the story. Mecham, which is a different auction.

[Doug DeMuro]

I love the start to the podcast.

[Filippo]

Barrett Jackson is happening right now. Get off cars and bids. I try to say one thing a week that makes Sean upset with me during the pod because he didn't do anything.

[Doug DeMuro]

You're at like three for me today.

[Kenan]

Flipo's really.

[Filippo]

So mecham, which is another auction business and a lesser one. They.

[Doug DeMuro]

I mean, at least there's marketing in this.

[Filippo]

Cars like that they sold a couple of weeks ago last week. I don't know all these Ferraris, and they had been ordered by this fellow Bachmann, who died and never drove them. And I think he didn't want to drive them because they were all horrible. They're embarrassing. They had all been optioned in a way that was not tasteful is what I would say. The 360 CS is absolutely the worst. This is an SA Aperta. Yes. Geez. But these cars are really special because they were undriven cars. They had zero miles on them. They were. Almost all of them were the last of the set, like the last 599 GTO, the last 812, et cetera. And then they were all also like incredibly high window sticker cars because every box had been checked in a crazy way. And so they all got auctioned at once and they all sold for unbelievable amounts of money. Like that 360 sold for 40 billion doll billion.

[Kenan]

Just kind of. Kind of. It felt like that. But I don't know. I understand the desire to have very low mileage examples of very special cars. I understand the desire to have unique specs. When they are this atrocious, though, it is hard to believe that those cars brought the numbers that they did.

[Filippo]

I would drive that 599.

[Kenan]

I would not.

[Filippo]

I would drive it hard, too. And every time you made fun of me, I would be like, you know what I mean?

[Doug DeMuro]

Well, also from the inside. Oh, no, you can still see.

[Filippo]

No, the inside.

[Doug DeMuro]

The inside.

[Filippo]

A lot of these cars, the insides were worse. That360, I'm telling you, is the ugliest thing I've ever seen.

[Doug DeMuro]

I don't know. There's a lot of green on that.

[Kenan]

I do think something about this, though. I think it exemplifies a couple of things we've talked about for a long time specific to the Ferrari market.

[Doug DeMuro]

It's more market reporting that money can't buy you taste.

[Kenan]

Well, that's. That is a fact and this is proof. But it's more that I think that the 250 GTO, which also sold at the same auction, sold for a number way lower than everybody was expecting. And these all sold for way higher than everybody was expecting. I do wonder if it starts to indicate that there's a shift in the market away from those cars, from the blue chip cars from the 1960s, that this is now what people want, the modern limited edition Ferraris.

[Filippo]

David Lee bought that 250 GTO for 38 mil.

[Kenan]

Yeah.

[Filippo]

Now, it was a right hand drive car with a non original engine.

[Kenan]

Right.

[Filippo]

And in the 250GTO community of which I'm a part, we view that as kind of second rate. No, just kidding, David is legit now. But you make a point because the Enzo in this collection, which was also an undriven one of one thing, sold for 11 million, which seems strong to me because Enzo's, a couple years ago were three and a half.

[Doug DeMuro]

Some appreciation.

[Filippo]

It's significant appreciation. You screwed up.

[Doug DeMuro]

I did.

[Filippo]

I did. Instead of a home and living, you should have put all of your assets into buying an Enzo.

[Doug DeMuro]

And I could have got some portion of the way there.

[Kenan]

And that F50 that when we saw in Monterey last year that sold for five and a half I think something crazy. And then one sold for over three times that. It just like it doesn't make sense at all to anybody.

[Filippo]

Well, I don't know. These are one of one things. It's like that White collection, that Porsche White collection which was sold by RM by the way. We're going to hit all the auction sites today.

[Kenan]

Don't worry Gooding, we'll get there.

[Filippo]

Folks, the Hemmings, they still got one? Yeah, they're still doing that.

[Kenan]

You forgot Bonhams is Hemmings.

[Filippo]

Really?

[Doug DeMuro]

You also forgot about Broad Arrow.

[Filippo]

We can keep going, go to cars and bids though. Don't go to any of these.

[Doug DeMuro]

You want to go to national, we can go there too.

[Filippo]

We're better. The Porsche White collection, remember when those sold for crazy money?

[Kenan]

Yeah, I did.

[Filippo]

I mean the whole thing's crazy.

[Kenan]

I know but these were just such a jump in what feels like a really short period of time. I just wonder like the ultra high end, speaking about Ferrari specifically the ultra high end stuff is worth a ton of money already. That's why we saw, I've seen an appreciation for the next level thing which was a limited edition V12 cars and then the limited edition V8s below that. And this is indicative of all of those cars. So it's like really going.

[Filippo]

I'm going to say one thing that I, that I, that you mentioned before that others have mentioned at these physical collector car auctions things can be a little fishy. Not going to go any further than that. Not to say that that's what happened here but I've heard some stories and.

[Kenan]

I do know that MECAM definitely wants to make. I mean they want to break into the space because the other auction houses do sell these cars and Mecham is known for going habita habit a habitat and selling, you know, tea buckets. But they're not known for selling these sorts of cars. So it was a really interesting thing to witness.

[Doug DeMuro]

I really thought you were going to make a about like older cars in general being less appreciated. But there were two records for commit for 69 Camaros. A Baldwin Motion LS7 brought 1.1 million and a Yenko prototype of 1.8.

[Filippo]

Damn. Boomers are still paying 1.8 for Yenko. Apparently not for Yenko 67 Camaro which.

[Kenan]

Either either David Lee got a hell of a deal on his GTO or the vintage Ferrari market is that would be true.

[Filippo]

I don't understand that Hell of a deal thing. This was about the price that everybody was saying it would sell for. It was a right hand drive car with a non original engine. The last GTO that sold sold for only a little more than that. This. I, I don't. It seemed to me to be about the number.

[Kenan]

Auction estimates had it higher than that though Everybody, I think they were calling for 55, I think was the number that.

[Filippo]

Well, by who? Like by people like us who are idiots or by the auction house itself. I mean the seller cut it loose. So.

[Kenan]

Which. Yeah, it's the whole thing.

[Filippo]

I will say the thing that hit me when I'm watching this and I'm watching an 812 McDonald's sell for 60 billion. You know what car's undervalued? Carrera GT.

[Doug DeMuro]

Filippo, let's move on to the next book.

[Kenan]

Who knows? It's Scott. Still cork. Maybe one was. Maybe one will sell for $12 million.

[Filippo]

Carrera GT is an. I drove it here today. It was the greatest experience of my life. Still the greatest driving car ever made. And it's an absolute bargain. When you're. That car sells for 17 and looks like an abomination.

[Doug DeMuro]

It doesn't look like one. Straight up is one. Dude, do you think Ferrari said no to any of his ideas?

[Kenan]

Clearly.

[Filippo]

Clearly not.

[Kenan]

No. I want.

[Doug DeMuro]

Is this the moderated version?

[Filippo]

No.

[Doug DeMuro]

Dude.

[Filippo]

Let me tell you something. In today's world, Koenigsegg and Pagani have set the standard for being willing to say yes to any horrible idea that their new money, no taste under indictment buyer is willing to offer. I'm not screwing. I'm sorry to say it, but it's true. Every Pagani, new Pagani and Koenigsegg buyer is sketch.

[Doug DeMuro]

Right?

[Filippo]

They all are.

[Doug DeMuro]

Are we also gonna talk about Career gt?

[Filippo]

We can talk about those. It's the same kind of thing, but that's part of what this is like. Okay, so Ferrari and Porsche now with Sondroch, like, they're sitting here looking at this courier. Gts were all silver, basically. And they're sitting here like, okay, if Pagani is willing to say yes to any tasteless idiot who got money yesterday and has no clue what looks good but just wants to spend more money, then Porsche's got to be like, yeah, you want to put stripes on your Carrera GT and we'll pay a million dollars for it. Yeah, yeah, we'll do that for you. No prop.

[Doug DeMuro]

I want to be clear to all those tasteless idiots, we still do want you to sell your cars. And beds.

[Filippo]

Sell your tasteless wires on cars and bids. Not of the other auctions. There are no other auctions. All the other stuff we talked about earlier, figments of the imagining, wrong lies.

[Kenan]

None of it's real. But yeah, this is just a. I do think that's odd though. Like, I don't know, my uncle had some tailor made Ferraris built for him and they fought him like crazy on stuff. Yet they're willing to do that.

[Doug DeMuro]

But don't you wonder if originally he wanted something worse?

[Kenan]

No, he didn't. It was all very tasteful stuff. I can.

[Doug DeMuro]

No, no, not, not your.

[Kenan]

Oh, this.

[Doug DeMuro]

The Bachmann gentleman.

[Kenan]

Maybe.

[Filippo]

I don't. I don't know. It seems interesting that all these cars existed and it's. Boy is it interesting that someone paid all this money for them. But they're cool and someone did and real money exchanged hands. And now we have to sit back and remember that the greatest deal in the market is the Carrera gt. Next slide. Ah yes, the Carrera gt. No, I'm kidding.

[Doug DeMuro]

That's an accurate nsx. Very exciting news for our auction site. Cars and bids. Acura has said that they're selling the Tony Stark NSX from that Marvel movie that I've never seen.

[Filippo]

The Avengers.

[Doug DeMuro]

Sure. On Cars and Bits. It is a super, actually very cool prototype. I saw it in person at Road Atlanta a few months ago. It is a 1997 or 1991 NSX that's been rebodied to look like the N8, the newest one.

[Filippo]

But it's a cool one. Okay, look, here's the deal. It was in the avengers. Robert Downey Jr. Drove it and he also drove it to the premiere.

[Doug DeMuro]

Did he?

[Filippo]

That's cool under the skin. Apparently. I haven't been around the car.

[Doug DeMuro]

The interior is nsx but I am.

[Filippo]

Told that it is an older NSX made to look like a newer one. It is a convertible. They're going to auction on cars and bids. I am going to drive this car.

[Doug DeMuro]

I know it's cool.

[Filippo]

I love one offs. I love movie cars. I love concept cars. I am incredibly excited. I don't really get that excited for a lot of stuff when you come around my house. I do. But this. I can't wait. I can't wait. We're going to sell this on cars and bids.

[Doug DeMuro]

This is just auction for charity by the way.

[Filippo]

For charity? The whole thing? The whole amount.

[Kenan]

Wow.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah, that's my understanding. I will say it has miles. If you look at the Odo and some of the pictures or in person, it has 100 something thousand miles.

[Filippo]

Well, probably because they bought an NSX.

[Doug DeMuro]

I know, but it's so cool. Also, they should have done an NSX convertible NC1. Is that what that generation?

[Filippo]

I'll tell you this. I'll tell you this.

[Doug DeMuro]

What's the generation?

[Filippo]

I'll bet you they were thinking about doing a convertible and sales didn't allow it. Whenever there's a special sports car where they don't go convertible, it's either because sales didn't justify it, which is the case of the 054 GT and others.

[Doug DeMuro]

This car, GTX1, makes it different. Yeah.

[Filippo]

And. Or it's a Dodge Challenger where we don't know why they didn't do it. We're still trying to figure it out.

[Doug DeMuro]

I am very excited to watch your review of it. See what they changed besides the exterior and like, it'll be such a cool movie car to have.

[Filippo]

You know what another thing that this car has that you probably don't realize? Cobblestone floor mat.

[Doug DeMuro]

Maybe?

[Filippo]

Yeah, Cobblestone floor.

[Kenan]

AI.

[Doug DeMuro]

Robert Andrew droves the premiere.

[Filippo]

Yeah. Dude, I can't wait to drive this thing. Wait till I say. I don't know.

[Doug DeMuro]

What.

[Filippo]

I don't know when we're going to. Robert Downey Jr. Is a G dude. He can drive whatever he needs. He could drive a forklift if he had to. I don't know when the auction is. It's sometime.

[Doug DeMuro]

We're still working out a specific timing.

[Filippo]

Sometime later you're going to be able to buy this. But I may myself buy it. You think it's titleable? It's got a vin. No, I'm going to title it, move on to the next news.

[Doug DeMuro]

That's not going to happen.

[Filippo]

Ah, the BYD seal.

[Doug DeMuro]

You, sir, are going to talk about how Canada has massively lowered tariffs on Chinese.

[Filippo]

Okay. You remember how last week we talked about how nobody wants Chinese cars in America and there's some political stuff there going on. Well, guess what? Canada. Which the first and last letters are the same as China, so there's something there in Hong Kong.

[Kenan]

Also California and Cambodia.

[Doug DeMuro]

Ooh.

[Filippo]

Canada decided to allow the Chinese EVs to arrive. Previously, Canada had some massive tariff on Chinese cars like we did. It was like 100% or 200%, something insane. But they decided to allow. Now the weird thing is they allow Chinese cars to come into Canada tariffed at 6.1%, which is pretty low for vehicles. Apparently that's Canada's most favored nation tariff rate. So that's just sort of A normal tariff rate, but they're limiting the number. It's only 49,000 cars will be able to come into the country at that rate. And then presumably after that the tariff rate goes back up to what it was before. Which is sort of similar to policies that Trump has negotiated, like with the uk. There's a similar policy in the United States and uk. Some number of cars is tariffed at a certain rate and then higher than that, it's a lot more. So it's not going to be like an onslaught to the Canadian market. But there will be Chinese cars sold in Canada. There's already Chinese cars sold in Mexico. We see them every day.

[Doug DeMuro]

We do.

[Filippo]

I mentioned a couple weeks ago on the podcast how I saw an MG that reminded me of my grandpap. Of course it was a three row.

[Doug DeMuro]

Electric suv, just like he used to drive.

[Filippo]

Just like grandpappy and grandma would go down, get in the car, go down a country lane. You know, he would say, he would say, Dolores, he'd say get into the three row electric SUV with me.

[Doug DeMuro]

But I will say we often equate the Chinese cars with EVs. There are non EV cars sold in China and that presumably are sold outside of China by Chinese manufacturers. But really this is like an EV story. Fundamentally that's where China's growing the most. I will say Global EV sales were up 20% last year. 20.7 million EVs were sold in China and Europe. They skyrocketed. The percent in the US percent went down. I have a stat for you. In 2024, BYD, maker of the Seal, had 284 dealerships in Europe by the end of this year. By the end of 2026 they're targeting having 2000.

[Filippo]

What does it take to become a BYD dealership in Greece though? Like, what does it honestly take?

[Doug DeMuro]

Approximately 100 square feet of space. Yeah, that's about it.

[Filippo]

Fax machine.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah, like, but, but nevertheless, clearly they're going after massive expansion because they know they need to expand outside of China. Yeah. Canada presumably will be an interesting market for them even if they're capped on how many they can sell. And if you're the Canadian government, you're seeing a lot of tensions with the us which is slightly weird for historically a very peaceful border with a lot of trade. And also you have a populace that is pretty upset by rising costs, by inflation being priced out of things. And here's your opportunity to.

[Filippo]

Those last two things are really important to mention. Canada. And this is something I've been talking about on this pod forever, which is that as we hold the world off from electric cars, we are going to fall behind because the rest of the world wants to buy electric cars. And this is a tariff story too. In this same way, if you start these trade wars, it's great to be able to do that. You can be number one trade guy, Tradie Traderson, Trump himself, if you're the only one producing these goods. But Canada looks at this and says, maybe USA isn't as much of a friend as they used to be. Maybe USA is sort of a similar actor to China. Maybe USA is as trustable as China. Some European countries are certainly saying that right now after the whole Greenland situation. And so then they start to open up to China. And I guarantee you the 49,000 cars that they're allowing now becomes 69,000 in two years and 99,000 after that. And the next thing you know, Justin Trudeau is driving around in a BYD.

[Doug DeMuro]

Walrus with Katy Perry.

[Filippo]

Is that real?

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah.

[Filippo]

Justin Trudeau and Katy Perry, apparently.

[Kenan]

What a pretty amazing, bizarre.

[Doug DeMuro]

The global market has very much said that EVs in general are something they're very into. China EV sales last year were up 17%. Europe was up 33%. The rest of the world, if you remove the US and Europe, and China was up 48%.

[Filippo]

Wow.

[Doug DeMuro]

So the US is really the only detractor and we're still doing V8s.

[Filippo]

And we'll talk about on the pod how much we love that. But at the end of the day, we as a auto manufacturing nation are being harmed by all this and by.

[Doug DeMuro]

The way this connects to China and that the Chinese automakers are the ones making the most competitive global EVs and.

[Filippo]

That ends up mattering in 10 years. We're going to look back at these years and say, we made a mistake. We are. We just are. By not continuing to subsidize electric vehicle manufacturing and development in the United States, the EVs are going to come. In the rest of the world, we're going to be behind eventually. We're going to have to adopt it. And by then our American automakers will not be ready for battle because everybody continues to allow China in. And more and more they want to allow China in because they don't even trust the United States. Canada, if we had, if a year, two years ago, if we had stepped in and said, you will not, Canada would have been like, okay, fine, we're going to do. We're going to align with our great friend the United States.

[Doug DeMuro]

Which they had done until last week.

[Filippo]

Last week. It's an interesting situation. Give us our next news story. Which is related, right? Ah yes, it is related.

[Doug DeMuro]

The Volvo EX60. Yep. We're excited. Are we? Yeah, of course.

[Kenan]

I'll let you take this one.

[Doug DeMuro]

I'm going to give the quick thing. It's another electric Volvo. It looks pretty good as most Volvos do. It's going to be able to be ordered this spring. Still revealing final pricing somewhere between 55,000, 70,000.

[Filippo]

Okay. But hit us, hit us with the big news.

[Doug DeMuro]

There will be a version that has 670 horsepower.

[Filippo]

670 Volvo 670.

[Doug DeMuro]

Most powerful Volvo to this point has got to be like the T8 all of them which has 400 something.

[Kenan]

That is quite a leap.

[Doug DeMuro]

Electric cars, you know.

[Filippo]

Dude, this has what is, how much is that? 610.

[Kenan]

Yeah.

[Filippo]

There's now a midsize. This isn't even the full size. God only knows. The full size Volvo crossover has 10001100 horsepower.

[Doug DeMuro]

It will soon.

[Kenan]

Is there just a. Does it need it?

[Filippo]

Yeah, dude. Are you kidding? My wife had one of these non electric years ago and she would always come in from, from, from the store, you know, from the shops and she would always say to me we only have 350 horsepower. I need 670.

[Kenan]

It just, it all feels like, it just feels ridiculous. Like I just don't understand like I guess in performance cars I understand the point of having a lot of power. I just think it's, it's kind of just a marketable gimmick and like it's free. Yeah. And that's the only reason.

[Filippo]

And also others are doing it.

[Kenan]

Others are doing it.

[Filippo]

But I, I, when others do it you have to do it, you know.

[Kenan]

Like if you have that level of acceleration. Like are safety mandates like kind of up to date with what's going to happen if you Volvo accelerate with a missile down the road?

[Doug DeMuro]

Volvo globally has speed limiters. So you can't drive Volvo more than 112mph.

[Kenan]

No, but you can do 0 to 60 in 2 1/2 seconds.

[Doug DeMuro]

You go from 0 to 112 very quickly but then you're capped.

[Filippo]

One of the things I've Learned also about EVs because I encounter them on the roads and they never, they're always afraid to, they, they always want to like flex their muscle but they never want to, they're always afraid to lose the range. Like no one's actually going to floor it. In what like the Tesla people are like oh I'M all fast, but I charge this at a public charger and I, you know, every minute I sit there isn't. So I'm actually not going to go. That happens a lot.

[Kenan]

I got stuff to do today.

[Doug DeMuro]

I would like to share a couple of other things. By the way, that the most powerful one apparently. 3.8 seconds.

[Filippo]

Wait, you're going to share more stuff about the EX6? Yeah.

[Doug DeMuro]

Because I want you to explain to me their powertrain levels.

[Filippo]

Yeah, I know they're called like the.

[Doug DeMuro]

P6, the P10 and the P12.

[Filippo]

Volvo lost me when they went to be.

[Doug DeMuro]

Which I never understood last year.

[Filippo]

But what did that mean by.

[Doug DeMuro]

I think it was intended to be that they were all mild hybrid at that point.

[Filippo]

And of course, B is the internationally.

[Doug DeMuro]

Renowned for mild hybrid.

[Filippo]

My mistake. My mistake. Move on to the next news story. I won't talk about this anymore.

[Doug DeMuro]

Can we talk about V8?

[Filippo]

So this is real?

[Doug DeMuro]

This is real. Ford has announced the Mustang Dark Horse SC, which has a 5.2 liter supercharged V8. Yep. It's basically the new GT500, just without the Shelby name. They haven't announced that many specifics yet. Right. So we're kind of trying to infer between where the regular dark horse is and where the GCD is. And assuming they won't want to go too close to the GCD.

[Filippo]

Doesn't the GTD have the same 505 Supercharged V8, 5.2 liter Supercharged V8, doesn't it?

[Doug DeMuro]

Yep.

[Filippo]

So what?

[Doug DeMuro]

But we don't. We don't. So we suspect that The GTD has 815 horsepower. I would expect this to have less by some amount.

[Filippo]

What does a regular dark horse have? It's a lot.

[Doug DeMuro]

Not enough.

[Filippo]

Dark horse has 500. So this is. You think it'll be between 580.

[Doug DeMuro]

The old GT 500 had 700 something.

[Filippo]

Yeah, it was some crazy number.

[Kenan]

So it'll be slightly. I suspect slightly more than that, but less than.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah, it had 760 and 625 pounds of torque.

[Filippo]

GTD territory.

[Doug DeMuro]

But with that, I bet the differentiator will be a little bit of power than that crazy suspension and the wide body and some of the other. And the fact that's made in Canada. The wind.

[Filippo]

Excuse me. We don't talk about that. All Mustangs are American. The window into the suspension. Correct. Not just the suspension. The window into the suspension. Do you understand that?

[Doug DeMuro]

Yep. Does the GCD have a dual clutch, seven speed? It does.

[Filippo]

Right.

[Doug DeMuro]

Same transmission.

[Filippo]

Then some sort of tip situation.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah, same. Same transmission then as the old GT500.

[Filippo]

I do. This is cool as hell.

[Doug DeMuro]

It's very cool.

[Filippo]

Especially because we've all been missing. I will say I'm still kind of missing the GT350. I guess that's the dark horse itself, I guess.

[Doug DeMuro]

Which to be fair, it has the power of it.

[Filippo]

It has the power, but the GT350 was this like special little nugget.

[Kenan]

Well, yeah, it had that. I mean that Tremec 6 speed felt so good. And that flat plane crank. Voodoo engine. Not reliable. I know, but like the sound was just.

[Filippo]

Everything about it was great and it was special. And you see them on the road. It's special still. And. And this is going to be like that. But like, this is like the GT500. Where's my. Where's my dark horse SC? But maybe like a lighter horse or like a dark.

[Doug DeMuro]

Like a light horse se.

[Filippo]

Yeah, like a light horse sc. Or like a dark. Like give me like a dark capybara. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like. Like horse like. But smaller, you know.

[Kenan]

Right. Because I think horse like capybara creatures.

[Filippo]

They both have like long heads and they're on four leg. Like give me something else. Dog, like a Great Dane. Dane, let's call it the Mustang Great Dane. And give me 525 horsepower, but like give me a nice live chassis and a great transmission. I'm not wrong about this. I may be saying it weirdly, but I'm not.

[Doug DeMuro]

You're not wrong about it.

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[Kenan]

Your way to get there is bizarre, but I understand your point, especially because.

[Filippo]

The GT350 was popular, remains popular on the used market. Enthusiasts loved it and it's just gone. And I guess dark horse was their attempt to kind of. But it's not the same.

[Doug DeMuro]

It's not the same.

[Filippo]

Feels like a trim level as opposed to like a Shelby variant.

[Doug DeMuro]

Right. And it seems like Ford's no longer working with Shelby, period, which happened at some point, but I don't remember when.

[Filippo]

Shame, that is.

[Kenan]

Carol would be sad, actually.

[Doug DeMuro]

No, he wouldn't.

[Kenan]

He'd be fine with it.

[Doug DeMuro]

But it will be incredible power for presumably somewhere in the low hundred thousand dollars range.

[Filippo]

That's what you think it's going to cost? Aren't GTDs like 300 something?

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah, but GT 500 were around there. We're in the low hundreds.

[Filippo]

Man, this is going to be interesting. So the GTD is going to be specifically focused, like a very specific buyer and price point.

[Kenan]

Well, I mean, wasn't it always, I mean look at you know, yeah, the.

[Filippo]

Window into the system.

[Doug DeMuro]

The last GT500 with option were crossing six figures and on the secondary market they're in the high in like 80 to 100 range. So that's this will be a little bit above that.

[Filippo]

I mean it makes sense for this to be there that Mustangs have always kind of been in that, you know, 50 grand, 500 horsepower. Like that was always kind of the.

[Doug DeMuro]

The GTD will certainly be their like standalone Halo GT3Rs. Right. If you will.

[Filippo]

You know what the difference is though, And I'm serious about this. In a GT3 RS you do not have a window into the suspension. Also, they don't make the GT3Rs in Canada. Next news story.

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[Filippo]

Ah yes. I was at the Lamborghini dealer today and there's a they have one of the desks of the sales folks has a little signed. You know those Lamborghini color swatches like it's the Shape of a Lamborghini. He signed one of them.

[Kenan]

Wow.

[Filippo]

And I was thinking, I met him.

[Kenan]

At Quail and I said that he is the. He is to Lamborghini. What Luca Devante Mllo was the Ferrari he liked a lot. And he's also one of the most stylish CEOs in the world.

[Doug DeMuro]

That's a lot of.

[Filippo]

It's true. And proof of that is the fact.

[Doug DeMuro]

That they have sold a record number of cars.

[Filippo]

Again, Lamborghini sold the record number of.

[Kenan]

Cars, which is fascinating because the. The Tamarian is not yet available to the public. Correct.

[Filippo]

That is true. But you remember, you know what the base model Lamborghini is? The Urus. The Urus, yeah. And boy, did a lot of them. I was at the Lambo the other day. There's seven Uruses there in the showroom.

[Kenan]

They do. I see those. When you think about it, you see them a lot.

[Filippo]

They're a lot.

[Kenan]

But it makes. I mean, but that is impressive. Like that'. What was. What did they sell the year prior to this?

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah. So this year they sold 10,747 cars, which I believe is up by a truly small number from prior year. Something like 47 cars from the prior year. I had this number in my mind, but then I forgot. Distracted by the bracelets.

[Kenan]

I know the bracelets are quite a decision with the suit that he's wearing. The suit is. So bracelets are. He's supporting a lot of different things.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah. This is only 60 cars more than the prior. But, hey, an anchor increase is an increase. And this is a new record for Lamborghini.

[Filippo]

Well, it's. It is legitimately impressive considering they're not selling the Temporario yet. Yeah, maybe they are in Europe or in some markets already, but I haven't seen any reels of it.

[Doug DeMuro]

And you'll see reals of a crashing.

[Filippo]

You start to see reels. When cars go on sale, they're in Europe. It is a lot of Esso, Monaco. Post the pictures.

[Doug DeMuro]

I mean, the Euros had enough. Had a facelift in 20.

[Filippo]

Earth had a face.

[Doug DeMuro]

Their leading market was Europe, the Middle east and Africa with 4,600 vehicles sold. America's with 3,300.

[Filippo]

Their leading market, Europe, the Middle east and Africa. One market. Yeah. Well, Emba, man, their leading market was every single country but Mexico. And unfortunately, their second market, Mexico finished second this year.

[Doug DeMuro]

They group into three categories.

[Filippo]

They group it into three categories. There's Asia, which must include Australia. There's the middle of the world. If you look at A Mercator projection.

[Doug DeMuro]

Correct.

[Filippo]

And then we are included with South America.

[Doug DeMuro]

We're included with America.

[Filippo]

Great. Yep, yep. Nothing, nothing like oh, oh, the guy who oversees Europe and Africa gets credit for a sale whether the car is sold in Brussels or Cape Town.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yep. Apparently. By the way, order for the Temerario is already about a full year production order.

[Filippo]

They told me at the dealer they've already got. It sounds like about a year spoken for already. And a lot of other hand raisers who want to see the car first.

[Kenan]

Not a surprise.

[Filippo]

No. But I will say it is pretty impressive they were able to outsell last year. Considering Urus is an old product, Revuelto is presumably supply constrained. They seem to be tremendously popular and exciting. And the new base cars in here next year you're going to see some crazy Lamborghini sales.

[Doug DeMuro]

I bet they will be at about 10,805.

[Filippo]

No, the dealer told me that Temerario is coming in Q2 so it's going to be.

[Doug DeMuro]

Deliveries are starting in January in Europe right now.

[Filippo]

Yeah, so it's coming.

[Kenan]

I'm happy for Lamborghini, to be quite frank with you. I think it's really cool. I think the appreciation of their older cars shows that there's more interest in this brand, which it deserves and I mean I'm happy, I'm happy. They're making ridiculous cars.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah. Also the Volkswagen Group needed a win.

[Kenan]

I think this is a big win in a relatively small segment.

[Filippo]

You know Winkelmann, I'm looking, he ran Alfa Romeo Germany and the first thing he did he was. Oh, he was area manager for several European markets and his first vehicle was that he launched with that job was the 156, the alpha good vehicle and so you know, he knows how to reveal release a good product, you know what I'm saying?

[Doug DeMuro]

We do love the 156.

[Filippo]

Are you thinking about importing one?

[Doug DeMuro]

I am waiting for the 159.

[Kenan]

Yeah, yeah, yep.

[Doug DeMuro]

And then also no, should have been clear.

[Filippo]

Do we have any other news stories? Hope to go.

[Kenan]

Just a couple. So Audi released their delivery for the new Formula one car. I'm very excited. As you know, Audi's going to be competing in Formula one. Granted this is kind of a name change of a team but ultimately Audi themselves are competing in Formula 1.

[Filippo]

What is it a name change from?

[Doug DeMuro]

You don't know off hand theft.

[Kenan]

No, I know I should know. It was Sauber who became then I believe so it was Nico Hulkenberg and so Mattia Bonato who was the Former team principal Ferrari was axed and then eventually ended up here. So he's going to be leading that team. Jonathan Wheatley. They both kind of reveal it. Nico Hulkenberg and give her a bottle. It was steak. Sauber F1 was the name of the. I forgot the name of the first sponsor. They revealed it in what was a very bizarre. It looked like picture if people from Berlin made like a cathedral, this hedonistic cathedral. That's what it looked like. Where it was revealed. It was pretty crazy.

[Filippo]

It was. I sent in the link, someone said.

[Kenan]

Which I watched, and the two Formula one drivers came out wearing sweatpants, which was very interesting.

[Filippo]

So Audi.

[Kenan]

This is just the color scheme.

[Filippo]

Is Audi building the engines?

[Doug DeMuro]

No.

[Filippo]

Let me ask you a question.

[Doug DeMuro]

I like that.

[Filippo]

Let me ask you a question.

[Doug DeMuro]

Do.

[Filippo]

Are we supposed to care?

[Doug DeMuro]

No. We only care about Cadillac.

[Filippo]

We do care about Cadillac, but even Cadillac. Do you know what engine. Who's supplying the engines for? Cadillac. Cadillac.

[Doug DeMuro]

All I know is that they're revealing their own livery during the super bowl, which is American.

[Filippo]

Do you know who's tied the engines for Cadillac? You think it's Cadillac. You think they're putting a Blackwing V in the. In the thing?

[Doug DeMuro]

No. Who is it? Ferrari. Ferrari. Ferrari.

[Filippo]

Cadillac is developing engines, but they're not ready to actually create them until 29. That's how long it takes. Audi's not doing engines, Cadillac's not doing.

[Kenan]

Ford is doing the engine for Red Bull. So, like, it's.

[Filippo]

Although that was a whole thing.

[Kenan]

That's a whole thing. But give it some time.

[Filippo]

I'm upset about this because I was gonna be a Formula one fan this year, inasmuch as I was planning to watch one, maybe two laps because I'm gonna cheer on Cadillac, my hometown team. You know what's funny? This guy, Mario Andretti.

[Kenan]

Sure heard of him.

[Filippo]

He turns out to be in America.

[Doug DeMuro]

Anyway.

[Filippo]

I get the Mario Andretti. Think to yourself, this can't possibly be a guy who lives in central Pennsylvania. But. No, it is.

[Doug DeMuro]

I want you to want. He was born in Croatia.

[Filippo]

Huh?

[Doug DeMuro]

He was born in Croatia.

[Filippo]

Really?

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah.

[Filippo]

But he's like an American. Like when you talk to him. Like when you. I've seen a lot of. Oh, I'm so sorry. There are.

[Doug DeMuro]

There is some debate within the Wikipedia page itself as to where he was born.

[Kenan]

Show us the birth certificate.

[Filippo]

Well, either way, he lives in central Pennsylvania now. And there is nothing more American than living in central Pennsylvania.

[Doug DeMuro]

Nothing. He lives in Central pa. Yeah.

[Filippo]

I'm saying nothing.

[Doug DeMuro]

I want to be clear. To our viewers, he was born in what is now Croatia, but were the kingdom of Italy.

[Filippo]

You understand my point? Like if you, like if you live in New York, you know, if you live in some of is Seattle, you're probably doing some activities. If you live in central Pennsylvania, you're.

[Doug DeMuro]

Doing some other activities.

[Filippo]

Yeah, but they are American activities anyway.

[Kenan]

So Formula one kind of depends on.

[Doug DeMuro]

How you think about it.

[Kenan]

This is really just the color scheme for the car. This is the time of year when all the teams start to release what the cars are going to look like. Ferrari has been very bizarre and they say their slogan this year is built in the dark, driven in the light. To which Red Bull clapped back. That they build their cars in the light and drive them there too. But there's a lot of silliness going on this time of year, but nonetheless we will see these colors on the Formula one grid. I'm very excited.

[Filippo]

Well, this thing looks cool as hell, but I'm still not very excited because I want them to be manufacturing the engines, not just the cars. To me it's Audi, but they're just white labeling something else.

[Kenan]

Give it time. This is a very complicated sport.

[Filippo]

Here's what I want. I want production car engines in the cars. Like, like, like in the era of my Carrera gt.

[Kenan]

Well, luckily there are other classes where the cars look like the cars and have.

[Filippo]

Yeah, but they're conventional 11.

[Doug DeMuro]

They're all.

[Kenan]

No, there's the watch, some IMSA stuff. There's way more to it than that. It's not just Clarence. There's BMW.

[Doug DeMuro]

Can I ask a question? Are. Is that like Masano red and graphite gray and like are they matching this to Audi colors?

[Kenan]

That's my understanding, of course.

[Filippo]

What do you mean? Well, look at it. Double checking. When you think of Audi, these are the colors you think of, right?

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah, but I want to make sure that I, I can personally go down and order a Q4E Tron in that, that scheme.

[Filippo]

Maybe Remember the out the original A color class hackin Mackin edition. Pull that up. Oh, okay.

[Kenan]

I remember the A class hackin.

[Filippo]

Pull it up. Dude, I'm telling you, you're going to be disappointed that you don't know about this car.

[Kenan]

I don't remember how it's spelled.

[Filippo]

That'll do it.

[Kenan]

That'll do it.

[Filippo]

Put it and then go to images.

[Kenan]

There it is. I remember that. Yup.

[Filippo]

Boom. Yeah, hopefully it'll be like that. Can you order a Q4 like this?

[Doug DeMuro]

I hope so.

[Filippo]

If Audi was small smart.

[Kenan]

That looks awesome. Yeah, I'm sure it doesn't drive great, but it does.

[Filippo]

No, no, no.

[Doug DeMuro]

It's trash.

[Kenan]

No. Anyway, that's Formula one. Very excited for the season Begin. Can't come here fast enough. Next news story. So this is mate Remat. So, mate Remot recently on Instagram, posted a response to Matt Armstrong about the Bugatti repairs that are ongoing there. And he kind of laid out that.

[Filippo]

Matt Armstrong, for those who don't know, Matt Armstrong fixes supercars and he's bought a Bugatti, some of some variety. I can't tell them apart, although I saw two today at the dealer. Holy crap.

[Kenan]

Yeah, that has structural damage.

[Filippo]

It got hit in Florida, like they all do.

[Kenan]

Yes.

[Filippo]

And now he's. Armstrong's trying to put it back together. He puts back together Lambos and stuff. Does an amazing job. But he's met. He's met his match.

[Kenan]

Right. But it's. The CEO of Bugatti decided to make a video responding to this, which is amazing because in. Really, in the video he talks about, like, why the parts are so expensive. Because that's one thing that Matt brings up is how crazy the prices are.

[Doug DeMuro]

Buy a Shirona, you don't expect it to be expensive.

[Filippo]

Well, he.

[Kenan]

Like, some of the stuff is, like, hard to understand, but it makes sense because it's bespoke to this car and like to meet, like, regulations and stuff, it's really, really hard to build this stuff. He also explained, like, there are some parts that, you know, Matt says are shared with Audis and Volkswagens. It's like, well, sort of, according to Monte, it's like the housing might be, but the internals of it are not. They're specific to the cars. Not sure exactly, but he also mentioned that he's an enthusiast and loves Lake. What man's doing, but as a CEO and how he's doing it, he can't condone it for safety reasons, which sounds like a legal thing to me.

[Filippo]

Well, but it's also true.

[Kenan]

It's probably true.

[Filippo]

Like, we all watch the Matt Armstrong videos. All of us have you watch him. He has property in the UK that I look at and I just think if I could sell Filippo for that property, I would.

[Doug DeMuro]

I'm not worth enough. I'm sorry.

[Filippo]

But we all watch the videos apparently, except for him, but all the rest of us, and we all think to ourselves, wow, this is cool. It's amazing to watch. Might this be sketchy? Would I drive this car?

[Kenan]

His plan's for future owners.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah. Any salvage rebuilt car has Some amount of sketchiness.

[Filippo]

Yeah, maybe. I mean, let me tell you something. Stefan Ericsson, he knows the guy who Enzo split in two, right?

[Kenan]

Believe that's right.

[Filippo]

Yeah. When that car got rebuilt, salvaged, rebuilt, what they did was they built a new one.

[Doug DeMuro]

Well, there are exceptions. And if Mate Remazza is just building a new one, fine.

[Kenan]

Well, so actually. So according to mate, they actually reached out and said that they would do the repairs for a certain number and negotiate number and that the mad Armstrong rejected it.

[Filippo]

Well, the repairs are. It's probably seven zillion.

[Kenan]

Exactly.

[Filippo]

You want to spend seven billion or do you want to do it yourself and make YouTube rev? Dude, Matt Armstrong's no fool, man. He didn't get that property with the home gym by screwing around.

[Kenan]

Right. He didn't have to sell a Filippo to get it.

[Doug DeMuro]

He didn't even have to sell Matt Armstrong BMX. I will say, I love that we're talking about YouTuber drama. I assume we'll talk about Tavaresh next week.

[Filippo]

It's not drama. This is real stuff.

[Kenan]

If we can get Zach Brown to clap back, if you want, we can.

[Filippo]

Talk about Tavarsh every week. All right, let's move on to the Talk Cars segment, which is brought to you by Cobblestone floor mats. Cobblestone floor mats. Get them at your local AutoZone. Does AutoZone sponsor us?

[Doug DeMuro]

No.

[Filippo]

Whoever sponsors us, get them there. All right, I want to Talk about my 993 Twin Turbo.

[Doug DeMuro]

Not here.

[Filippo]

I got a Porsche that reads one. Yeah, right. And I took it over to the shop there, Black Forest. It's a Porsche shop up here down the street.

[Kenan]

They're great.

[Filippo]

And. Okay, I don't know anything about them, but I. But I have friends who say they're great.

[Doug DeMuro]

They're great.

[Filippo]

So I took the car in there and they called me and they said, hey, I took it in for a service, you know, and they. They called me and they said, hey, it's. It's great. Car looks good. It needs $25,000 in servicing, in. In repairs and servicing. And you know what hit. You know what happened about with that? I realized this is the greatest. It is the cheapest repair I've ever done. Because last week, two weeks ago, I announced on the pod that I'm back on cars.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah, it was a good period.

[Filippo]

After a $25,000 repair for the 993, I'm off cars again. So it say I was going to spend 40 grand to switch my sequoia into an LX700H overtrail not doing it. So right there I'm up 15 grand in this service. I should call them and say, hey, do more stuff. Then. Then I was thinking about some other exotic car which I don't want to talk about right now. I'm not doing that either. Even though I'm not doing it, I still don't want to talk about it. And that saved me like 300,000. So as far as I'm concerned, this $25,000 service saved me like almost $400,000. I really owe those folks a debt of gratitude.

[Doug DeMuro]

992 Turbo S under no circumstances will.

[Filippo]

I be buying that vehicle.

[Doug DeMuro]

I'm just guessing.

[Filippo]

300,992 Turbo S in the office the other day, it was lilac. Unlike color. I like the color.

[Doug DeMuro]

I'm sorry that you're off cars. I really did. I did enjoy the period that you were on cars. It was a fun period. It was really enjoyable.

[Kenan]

It was a while. It was a pretty good two weeks.

[Doug DeMuro]

Three weeks.

[Kenan]

He bought another car during that time. He bought the 993 Turbo when he got.

[Filippo]

No, this was only during the last two week period where I was truly.

[Doug DeMuro]

It was brief.

[Filippo]

I am still.

[Doug DeMuro]

You have to catch him at the right moment. You could have he. We could have gotten him to buy a car had we like yeah. Somehow found the right car in that day.

[Kenan]

Totally.

[Filippo]

I am still looking, seriously looking for a 2001-2002 ISH E55 station wagon AMG with the third row in. We're looking in Europe and Asia. I'm still interested in one of those. Mainly because I can buy one of them for the cost of this 993 Turbo service.

[Doug DeMuro]

Remember when you got the car and you were like I can't believe how much the prior owner put into this.

[Filippo]

Car in service guy put in A well, yeah. Yeah. 25 needed more.

[Doug DeMuro]

To be fair, your rule that you said very publicly is that you expect to pay about 10% of the purchase price to get the car to where you specifically.

[Filippo]

When I buy a car, my rule of thumb is that it needs 10% of the purchase price and service. And I just assume that straight off the bat. And I factored into my purchase price 100% of the time. The car behind me is the only exception. My whole life so far, it's needed less than 10%. Less than 10%.

[Doug DeMuro]

To be fair. It's an expensive car.

[Filippo]

It's an expensive car. And so. So when the shop called me and said hey, the valve cover gaskets are Leaking this and that. You can do this stuff or you cannot. I probably have this993 for two, three years. Why not just do it right off the bat and be able to enjoy a car that you don't have to worry about? And when you go to sell at a service like this, the Porsche people freak out about, oh, my God, he put 25 grand in. This is how the Porsche people react when they see a bill like this.

[Kenan]

Yeah, it's not quite that meme of this guy.

[Filippo]

Right. They get so excited. The guy clearly maintains he loves this car.

[Kenan]

You know, it's so funny because I'm.

[Filippo]

Gonna overpay for it.

[Kenan]

I was actually talking to our producer Nick, who's looking at cars currently about, like, seeing lots of service work. And some people, it makes them nervous because they're like, oh, my God, this car is so unreliable. It tells you one of two things. Either the car maybe is unreliable, or it tells you that you had a fastidious owner. I view it as the latter personally.

[Filippo]

Maybe. I mean, it depends on what the records show and what type of car it is.

[Kenan]

Yes. And with frequency, if you see the same thing being replaced a bunch, something's wrong.

[Filippo]

Yeah, like the Nick Arnaz records. Oh, my God, I would just burn those if I were him. Like, it'd be better not to show them to me.

[Kenan]

Burn them in the car and the whole car.

[Doug DeMuro]

Great kindling.

[Kenan]

Phenomenal.

[Filippo]

You know what you do? You get a fireplace in the car. You put it right next to your cobblestone floor mats. You get right up there. You sit on your cobblestone floor mats with your big fireplace.

[Doug DeMuro]

Wait, sorry. Are the floor mats made of cobblestones? Otherwise, there are fire dates or two.

[Filippo]

Yeah, no, I think they. I think they're. No, I think they're. They're close. I don't know.

[Kenan]

Going for.

[Filippo]

I don't know, go over to bring the trailer. No, I'm kidding. Okay, so that's my set. Off cars, off cars, back off cars. But I'll get the 993 back in a week or two. And you know what? I think when I get it back after spending 25 grand, you know what?

[Doug DeMuro]

I. You know what?

[Filippo]

I think it's going to drive exactly the same. Yep. What do you got?

[Doug DeMuro]

All right, I've got a couple of announcements. First of all, I'm going to be. When you're listening to this podcast, Friday night, I'm going to be in Scottsdale at our event with a vlog vants at the warehouse. Come say Hi. If you have a ticket, it's a ticketed event. But if you have a ticket, come say hi. Bring your cool car. We said I talked to you.

[Filippo]

If you don't meet him after the fact at that hot dog place, what's it called? Mickey's.

[Doug DeMuro]

It doesn't have hot dogs. It's all.

[Filippo]

Everything like that.

[Doug DeMuro]

All I know is that they only sell tacos.

[Filippo]

Tostadas.

[Doug DeMuro]

Sure, I'll be there regardless. But on Sunday we're also doing an event with the Peterson that is their British or excuse me, England calling a distinguished British cruise in event at the Pearson Museum. You can buy tickets by going to carsonbids.com events and then clicking on that. We as cars and bids are going to have a Series 3 XKE that's going to be up for auction. And also there at the event is.

[Filippo]

Nick bringing his slr. It's British.

[Doug DeMuro]

Nick Rochon from our podcast is going to be too busy bidding on cars at some other office.

[Filippo]

No, not on Sunday.

[Doug DeMuro]

I don't know. He's not. He's not going to bring the slr. Why not? But we're going to bring that.

[Filippo]

It's Brit. Are you denying that the SLR is British? Are you sitting here telling Gordon Murray, made in Britain. Gordon Murray.

[Kenan]

It was built in Woking.

[Filippo]

British car.

[Kenan]

Not the engine of the transmission.

[Doug DeMuro]

But people don't either interior components or exterior components.

[Filippo]

No, the car was a. Look, it's all about assembly. The factory workers who built that car were British. They were paid to build the car. They were British. They were paid by the British people. And British pounds, Is that a value you add? Let me.

[Kenan]

I'm.

[Filippo]

I'm telling you right now, this is the problem. Nobody respects the British Empire anymore. The sun never sets.

[Doug DeMuro]

Regardless, we're going to have that event. Come say hi to a bunch of people from cars and beds and come check out the Series 3 XK that we have left.

[Filippo]

What is the Coinbase NSX cassette.

[Doug DeMuro]

All right. As you've filmed a bunch of beautiful videos with, well, one beautiful video and one review with nsx. Well, we could be realistic here.

[Filippo]

One beautiful video and one Doug video.

[Doug DeMuro]

There is a cassette that Coinbase has made that is the soundtrack from the pretty video that you did with nsx and it's on a cassette. And if you register at the link in the description below this podcast, you can be entered to win it. It's going to be autographed by you.

[Filippo]

There's only you alone cassette. No.

[Doug DeMuro]

The first sum number of people win.

[Filippo]

That say register to win. You mean some number. So do this now.

[Doug DeMuro]

Focus.

[Filippo]

Do this now.

[Doug DeMuro]

You.

[Filippo]

You have to.

[Doug DeMuro]

To sign up for coinbase. Verify your identity as part of the normal Coinbase process.

[Filippo]

If you do this, you can get a cassette.

[Doug DeMuro]

You get a cassette signed by you.

[Filippo]

You'Ll never be able to use it again. Like, because no one has cassette.

[Doug DeMuro]

Unless you win the NSX because it has a cassette player.

[Filippo]

My Countach has a cassette player.

[Kenan]

My M5 has a cassette player.

[Doug DeMuro]

And also the case will be autographed by Douglas De Miro himself.

[Filippo]

We got to talk about the SL65. Then we have to move on to the market report. We've gone way long already. There are many questions. We had too many. We shouldn't talk about the es.

[Doug DeMuro]

And you cut off news stories. I want to talk about the WRX, which is $3,000 cheaper today than it was yesterday. That's 10%.

[Filippo]

Tell us about the SL65.

[Kenan]

Yeah. So the SL65, like I said, got back from service. I recently uploaded a video on my YouTube channel, which is my name. Ken and Olson. You can go check it out. But I.

[Doug DeMuro]

Which two N's?

[Kenan]

That's two. You know, someone asked three Ns, someone asked me the other day. It's like, is it three Ns or four Ns?

[Filippo]

I'm like, spelling of Kenan and Filippo. No one has ever spelled Kenneth and Filippo correct.

[Kenan]

K, E, N, N, A N, R, O, L, S, E. That's four ends.

[Filippo]

Sometime you're on a row, sometimes you're reading the comments and. And they get Kenan right, and then they Felipe. Or they get Felipe right. And Kenan is one with an O. Yeah. Or with an N, folks.

[Kenan]

Or an I.

[Filippo]

Somehow folks just go, you know. You know what I learned as a person with a weird last name? Everybody who does that, their. Their name is John Smith. Every person who screws up your name because they've never had to be thoughtful about how to spell a name in their life.

[Kenan]

It's sort of like, I'm sure Philippe and I both really careful, make sure we spell people's first names correctly.

[Filippo]

I am.

[Kenan]

I am very sensitive to it. Very.

[Doug DeMuro]

I'm. I'm very unsensitive to it because at a certain point you become decent. You have to give up. You have to give up. I care.

[Kenan]

I care about all the people. But Anyway, so the SL65 is back. I've planned a series of videos I'm going to do on it because I decided that, like, it's not going to stick around all that long. I love the car, but we are going to sell it at some point.

[Doug DeMuro]

Tragic. It's so fast.

[Kenan]

It is so fast. But we're going to find out how fast in an upcoming video I'm going to film next week. I'm going to do a dyno test of the car to see how much power it's making, which I think will be very interesting. Interesting. See how accurate those Rentech numbers actually are. And then I'm also going to take it to a drag strip with Nick, which I think will be very interesting, too.

[Doug DeMuro]

We'll see who wins, the Germans or the British.

[Filippo]

Does it bother you? Or the Germans and the Germans. Does it bother you that regardless of the dyno results and the drag strip results, that that new Volvo we talked about earlier is faster and more powerful?

[Doug DeMuro]

It's not more powerful.

[Kenan]

I don't think it's more powerful or faster. I don't know what the torque figure is. We'll find out.

[Doug DeMuro]

It's not 580.

[Filippo]

670.

[Kenan]

That's 112. My car keeps going on in Mexico.

[Filippo]

All right, we need to get one of these from Volvo. Volvo, Volvo, if you're listening.

[Doug DeMuro]

All right.

[Kenan]

But nonetheless, I. I got some really cool things I still want to do with the car before it goes on to its next owner. So this will be coming up very soon.

[Filippo]

He's going to sell the SL, folks. If you want a good SL 65, white over red, one of eight, he's going to pull the Rentech.

[Kenan]

I'm going to pull the ones off the side. I think I'm going to leave the one on the rear where the am.

[Filippo]

It looks okay.

[Doug DeMuro]

Like people need to know or maybe they don't.

[Filippo]

Oh, you know, you just dust them.

[Kenan]

I know.

[Filippo]

But speaking of Mercedes Benz, I want to talk about the sls. Can you pull the SLS we sold last yesterday? I don't know. It's. It's. I don't know when you're watching this, so I can't tell you when it happened.

[Doug DeMuro]

We also don't know what day it is right now. There's a lot of things not going for.

[Filippo]

You could be watching this two months from now. Two months ago we sold an SLS. Anyway, we sold this SLS for $160,500. Silver, red, the right spec, the Hoovy spec, you know what I'm saying? And take a look at the mileage.

[Doug DeMuro]

Sorry. Hoovy spec is in. It has damage on the door from opening it and running into your house.

[Kenan]

It's too soon, Filippo.

[Filippo]

67,500 miles on that car. That is over 100,000 kilometers. I think that's pretty legit. You don't see these come up all that often. Nonetheless, it sold for 160,500. Presented very well. You're looking at the photos, it looks really nice.

[Kenan]

Really nice.

[Filippo]

Really clean car inside and out. But it is interesting to see that even with big miles, these cars are still big value. Valuable.

[Kenan]

It makes sense. I mean, they're pretty stout cars. The M158 is a great engine and.

[Filippo]

Apparently when you do the head bolt fix on other AMGs, you put in the head bolts that were on this.

[Kenan]

This one does not need them. It is a different engine. It's dry sump like it's. It's not. Yeah, no 58, but yeah, they are. I mean the gall. It looks amazing. They drive really great. They drive the same dual clutches in the 458. It's modern car, fast. And the doors go like this.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yep, yep.

[Kenan]

So it kind of gives you everything. And I think it's a very beautiful. It's reasonable. These cars are valuable.

[Filippo]

I agree.

[Doug DeMuro]

Also it's a Mercedes product in that the interior components will look plasticky because that was the era. But they will hold up supercars from.

[Filippo]

Companies that make normal cars. That's my thing.

[Doug DeMuro]

That's supposed to be like a water bottle.

[Filippo]

You know, the first SLS I ever drove, you know who was sitting next to me? Filippo.

[Doug DeMuro]

That's right.

[Kenan]

Is that true?

[Filippo]

That is factually accurate.

[Doug DeMuro]

I remember it vividly.

[Filippo]

Go back. You can watch the videos years ago. Filippo may have even been in it. We did a Bentley massage video that same day and I think you were in that. That one.

[Doug DeMuro]

I think you needed somebody to be like the back seat or something.

[Filippo]

Filippo sat next to me in first SLS I ever drove.

[Doug DeMuro]

Good car.

[Kenan]

What a piece of history.

[Doug DeMuro]

I know, right?

[Filippo]

I love it. I think these cars drive great. They are so. The steering and the handling is so. The steering is incredibly Sharp for carbon 2012. The handling, the chassis is incredibly good for car 2012. It's shocking how good these cars drive. But of course you want the coupe and I engine.

[Kenan]

You just feel like you're strapped to a giant motor.

[Filippo]

Cuz you, you are.

[Kenan]

And it's just.

[Filippo]

But unlike a lot of the AMG cars, especially from this era, the car wasn't all engine. It was a really good overall experience. And I think the market is really waking up to that. If this had a manual, I think it'd Be selling for four times what.

[Kenan]

It sells for solely but you know it's Mercedes Benz made a manual in.

[Filippo]

A long of course but you get my point like it's such a good car in every other respect the way it looks, the way it drives, how rare it is, how special it is. If it, if that one thing was different I think it would be absolutely killing it.

[Kenan]

Yeah, totally.

[Filippo]

Sort of like Flippa's 500 Barth I want to do one other market report. It is not the Mazda 5 we are not talking about that. No, no please. It's a 123rd and we're not going to devote It's a manual minivan. Talk to us about something. You got the stira?

[Kenan]

Yes so we recently. So as I just made the point a little bit earlier I think that there is more interest in modern enthusiast cars as other things seem to be raining a little bit at least with Ferraris I think that's the canary in the coal mine and my view this car I think is proof. So this is a WRX STI type RA sold for 40 grand and it had 13,000 miles on it which is not nothing for one of these. So a lot of these cars are preserved and sit around this one sold for more bring a trail sold on very similar mileage on their site not that long ago and this one sold for more and I just think it's indicative that these cars are like really beloved and there aren't that many Subarus that like a rare Subaru is one that's rare because of it's not modified because it's and stuff this one's actually special because they only built 500 of these things.

[Filippo]

It's also really cool.

[Kenan]

It's also very cool but I think that interest is going to continue to grow in cars like this. I was thinking about trying to think about like what modern cars would I buy today if I if the market is going to go up on more modern stuff. I kind of think this is in that realm to be honest with you.

[Doug DeMuro]

It's interesting We've sold other SGI type RAs and this is one of the highest results they have gone up unmodified.

[Kenan]

I think that's indicative of where things things are going.

[Doug DeMuro]

Okay, can you define oh but they wanted the good North Carolina place unmodified.

[Filippo]

Low miles and look at the front plate. Have you ever seen a car in your life where the, where the number production number is on on take that that Mini GP with the thing on the little. On the little side panels. No no, no. Ambassador with a little heart.

[Doug DeMuro]

That's so cute. That's so sweet.

[Filippo]

This was obviously a really clean type r. Obviously the S209s bring even more money.

[Doug DeMuro]

The difference between the S209 and the of type array. Okay.

[Filippo]

The S209 has canards.

[Doug DeMuro]

Canards. Wait, that is the North Carolina plate, right?

[Filippo]

Yeah, yeah, it's the app. Don't do this. The S209 had the intercooler water spray.

[Doug DeMuro]

Okay. So we're so like important things that mean that it's worth double the price.

[Filippo]

Brembos Bilstein dampers, larger turbo chassis bracing. But I, I think it didn't make that much more power anyway. The S209. The S209s were also super, super low production. All these cars are really cool. All the special edition of the STIs are really cool. I think this one is such a neat looking car, the S2.

[Doug DeMuro]

And I had more powers, you know that 30 little horsepower. Yeah.

[Kenan]

A lot of Ferrari special editions kind of. This is kind of a weird point, but a lot of Ferrari special editions are. You know, they're just. Feels like a lot of them. McLaren is the biggest. They, they make so many special editions it's really hard to keep them all straight. This is an actually very special car car. And I expected like stuff that's like, like really serious like this among die hard enthusiasts will just like continue to go up.

[Doug DeMuro]

Also still good car. And Subaru refuses to make a real STI. And there you go.

[Filippo]

You know, the S29 also had a carbon roof. Remember that?

[Doug DeMuro]

Really? Yeah, that was. You know, I know somebody that replaced their roof with a carbon roof. Oh, do you?

[Filippo]

Who?

[Doug DeMuro]

It's a guy named Johnny.

[Filippo]

He's over there. Okay, we need to move on to questions. The questions are brought to you by. Double column shifters. Double column shifters. If you're going fast, but you want to be going faster, use your second column shifter.

[Doug DeMuro]

What is this? Fast and the Furious 5?

[Filippo]

Find your second column shifter at your local autozone or whoever sponsors us or.

[Kenan]

You know, Photoshop through AI.

[Filippo]

Are we not sponsored by some sort of auto parts giant, folks? We gotta get that going. Tim Hortons. I'm sorry, if we're not going to get sponsored by auto parts, we should at least get sponsored by Tim Hortons. You can drive your BYD seal now to Tim Hortons. Tim Hortons. Okay, questions. First question from RHD for life.

[Doug DeMuro]

Don't know what the mech of this are.

[Filippo]

The Canadians in the comments will understand.

[Kenan]

We love Tim Hortons.

[Doug DeMuro]

I spent a lot of time in northern New York. There's Tim Hortons everywhere.

[Filippo]

We need to first question is from RHD for life. Which is odd because the question is we need Filippo to rank all Prius generations. You know, we used to do all the rankings and we haven't done it in a while, but I think Prius is a good one to do. Do you want to do it right now with me?

[Doug DeMuro]

Sure. We're, we're calling the first generation the first one sold in the US I.

[Filippo]

Want to be clear.

[Doug DeMuro]

Doug believes there's a prior one. There's not.

[Filippo]

There are two Prius generations before the, the, the, the, the, the famous 04 Prius, right?

[Doug DeMuro]

No, but there's actually just one calling that one though.

[Filippo]

Prius Japan. There was a, a pre first gen. Let's call it the Prius half gen. In Japan.

[Doug DeMuro]

There's a facelift.

[Filippo]

Pull it up.

[Doug DeMuro]

Barely. I want you to pull up 1996 shaved door handles.

[Filippo]

I want you to pull up 1997 pri. Understand?

[Doug DeMuro]

No, I'm familiar. It was shown in an auto show and nothing else changed.

[Filippo]

It was that. That was the first Japanese generation of the Prius.

[Doug DeMuro]

It's the same.

[Filippo]

Rory Gilmore drove that car. Rory Gilmore Prius. Okay, look, the point is the wheels are quite. Regardless, this is the worst gen. We agree. Yeah, yeah. Okay. So we're ranking. This is last.

[Doug DeMuro]

The second gen. The 04 gen is number one.

[Filippo]

You know. Okay. All right. I want to discuss this because I was worried that would happen and I wanted to score discuss this.

[Doug DeMuro]

We've sold one.

[Filippo]

Filippo. I remember the current Prius is number two. Is one of the great new cars on sale.

[Doug DeMuro]

The current Prius is number two.

[Filippo]

Filippo.

[Doug DeMuro]

The current Prius is number two. This is. Okay, have you, you, you've reviewed this car? It is. Was innovative, changed the world. It truly changed the world. There was an introduction of different type gear shifters. Like the first car to have that had a huge in 04, had a huge center screen.

[Filippo]

I mean it did a lot.

[Doug DeMuro]

It was efficient. It was the first real hybrid that people bought, cared about. They were every. Everywhere. It was space efficient. It was spacious. They're reliable.

[Filippo]

The teardrop shape. I know, but it was on like BS cars like that. The Prius, like it is godly the first. The second gen steering wheel controls for.

[Doug DeMuro]

The H Vac system.

[Filippo]

Like I know the second gen Prius, which this is, will probably be looked back on as one of the top five most impactful cars of my lifetime.

[Doug DeMuro]

I agree with that. And Therefore, it's number one. Also. It's pretty good.

[Filippo]

So it's not only number one for all those reasons, but even though the new Prius I think is a better car, even relative to where it is in the world today, it's just not as relevant.

[Doug DeMuro]

It's also not any. The new one's not that much more efficient than this one was. Like, it's.

[Filippo]

It's a lot faster though, and the tech is a lot better and the pricing is still decent. And I was all my drive and it looks better. The new Prius makes a huge amount of leaps, but it is just not as relevant as this car agrees. This car changed the world. It showed us all that you didn't have to be some weirdo hippie, Liz, driving an Insight. Right. To drive a Prius.

[Doug DeMuro]

Right. You could be a movie star and drive this car.

[Filippo]

No, you could be a taxi driver. You could be anybody. Anybody who just wanted to save money could go and buy one of these and live in it.

[Doug DeMuro]

Everybody did.

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[Doug DeMuro]

There's number one. Current generation is number two.

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[Doug DeMuro]

The generation after this, which I think came out in eight. Nine.

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[Doug DeMuro]

It's number three.

[Filippo]

Okay.

[Doug DeMuro]

The first generation is number one. Four.

[Filippo]

Oh, wow.

[Doug DeMuro]

And the last gen one. What the.

[Filippo]

Like, what's wrong with that one?

[Doug DeMuro]

It's just not good. They had real reliability problems, oddly.

[Filippo]

I'm gonna.

[Doug DeMuro]

And the Prius prime of that generation was hideous.

[Filippo]

I'm gonna rank them for you. Okay. What's the ranking?

[Doug DeMuro]

This is number one, Team Prius Prime.

[Filippo]

This is number one.

[Kenan]

Yeah.

[Filippo]

Number two is the new one.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah.

[Filippo]

Number five is the first gen. I don't really care about the betweens.

[Doug DeMuro]

I stand by my rank.

[Filippo]

And honestly, the fact that the betweens were such a derivative of this further shows just how special this car was.

[Doug DeMuro]

Look up a 2019 Prius prime, please. It's a bad vehicle.

[Filippo]

Nah, it looks fine.

[Doug DeMuro]

It just wasn't that good.

[Filippo]

Nah, it looks fine.

[Doug DeMuro]

It just wasn't that good.

[Filippo]

I don't care about those generations, but they are all derivatives. Wait a minute. What about the Prius C and the Prius V?

[Doug DeMuro]

The Prius V, number two, period. Prius C, number 17.

[Filippo]

It is weird they got rid of the Prius V. Okay, next question from Dragonwagon. Dear Doug, on the previous pod, you referred to your Sequoia as looking to January6. What would you say are the top five most Republican looking cars?

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah, Doug, what would you say are the top five most Republican cars?

[Filippo]

I want to be clear about this. I don't mind A good Republican looking car. Yeah, I just don't want to drive an extremist car. Do you know what I'm saying? Like I wouldn't want to drive an imiev either. I wouldn't want to drive a car that is so lib. It looks like you were there on whatever the lib equivalent of January 6th is.

[Doug DeMuro]

Extremist. What do you think extremist is the word you're going for? But I to want to.

[Filippo]

You get my point.

[Doug DeMuro]

Like what, what do you think the Hummer H2?

[Filippo]

The Hummer H2 is one. Although that's kind of, that's kind of getting into the hands of some connoisseurs at this point.

[Doug DeMuro]

Hummer pickup Ev. No.

[Filippo]

Although there were a lot of those in the parking lot at Monster Jam. Okay, here's what I'm thinking. Here's what I'm thinking. Okay, but you get my point, right? Like I don't mind a good, I don't mind a good pickup truck. Like I like a good pickup truck.

[Doug DeMuro]

You don't think that's on there though?

[Filippo]

What I don't like is vehicles that are just so out there in their. To the political affiliation that it's. You know what I'm like the idea of like the first gen Prius, honestly, like you drive around a first gen Prius or like people are like, oh, coexist, right?

[Kenan]

Yeah.

[Doug DeMuro]

A friend of mine's dad was part of a team that won a Nobel Prize for the environment and he had a first gen Prius.

[Filippo]

Okay, there you are.

[Doug DeMuro]

I'm just going to say shout out to Jonathan Patz.

[Filippo]

Okay, so the most Republican looking cars, I mean look. TRX Sequoia, TRD pro Raptor, Tundra, TRD pro Cybertruck and the Mercedes E class station wagon in a different way, different kind of complicated.

[Doug DeMuro]

That's true.

[Filippo]

But you can always be sure.

[Doug DeMuro]

By the way, there was news you made me cut that the Raptor might soon have a V8 hybrid.

[Filippo]

Wouldn't that be nice?

[Doug DeMuro]

Is it Republican at that point?

[Filippo]

Yeah, if it makes more power and sounds like my Sequoia does.

[Doug DeMuro]

It's Republican.

[Filippo]

Republican.

[Kenan]

Was there any Raptor that isn't Republican?

[Filippo]

Oh, interesting question. The Ranger Raptor.

[Doug DeMuro]

Oh, interesting.

[Filippo]

A little less.

[Kenan]

A little.

[Filippo]

A little less.

[Kenan]

That's like, that's like. Yeah, that's a state representative, not congressman yet.

[Doug DeMuro]

The Sierra AEV that you reviewed.

[Filippo]

Oh, deep, deep Republican. Yeah, that was up there. That guy. Every ram, not every ram. The eco diesel ones. There are leaders who want to tow.

[Doug DeMuro]

Not for sale Anymore.

[Kenan]

You think I'm going backwards a little bit. GMT 600, GMT 800 feel deep Republican to me. If you see them now, it's like.

[Filippo]

I feel like, oh, I don't know. The GMT 800.

[Doug DeMuro]

No, no, no. That is America's vehicle.

[Filippo]

Yeah, yeah, it's. I don't think any of the SUVs are that Republican except the Sequoia.

[Doug DeMuro]

Like even the once you had camo.

[Filippo]

From the Factory, even the Z71 Tahoe, I don't think you can be sure. Like I.

[Kenan]

That's kind of why. Well, that red one that we had, that Z71 that you did a videoing, that to me was like in that era.

[Filippo]

I think that was true. These days only connoisseurs have one of those. True.

[Doug DeMuro]

The GMT 400. They have.

[Filippo]

The GMT 400 is a vehicle driven by only connoisseurs. If you're watching this and you're in a GMT 400, you're a connoisseur. I don't care, by the way, if it's a Suburban. If it's a GMC Suburban, which was like, if it's a Tahoe, I don't care. It doesn't matter to me if it's a truck. If it's a two door, you're a connoisseur. You are a connoisseur. Sewer. Okay. Anything else to say on the Republican topic? No. Did I miss any car?

[Doug DeMuro]

I feel like we're good.

[Filippo]

Did I miss any cars? Yes.

[Doug DeMuro]

There's so many others.

[Filippo]

You agree? The E class wagon, like an old woman in Connecticut driving E class wagon is just as much a Republican as a guy with trs. But it's not the same talk.

[Doug DeMuro]

It's. It's not the same vibe. It doesn't fit the vibe.

[Filippo]

They would both vote for the same dude, but they wouldn't talk to each other.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah.

[Filippo]

Okay. Yeah. Next question from Hop Gunner. It's been about half a year since cnb. That's Cars and Bids. The finest auction site.

[Doug DeMuro]

The only auction site.

[Filippo]

The only there's not others started offering auctions for pre1980 cars. How do you think it's going? Have you learned anything? You work in this business. How's it going?

[Doug DeMuro]

It's going great. We have taken a very deliberate approach to it. We want to have cars that we think are cool and interesting that we think our audience would appreciate. There's some reality to the fact that, that we're still learning more about them like every single day as we auction more and more and more of them. There's cars that we discover people are really into and discover that, okay, that was a good experiment. That, like, wasn't. Didn't quite resonate with the folks on cars and bids, but auction a good number of cars, have sold a good number of cars, continue to get kind of great submissions and great interest in them. Turns out that when you have a team that's incredibly good at knowing the market values of every car from 1981 to the present day, it takes a little bit of time to get really, really good at every other car from 1901 to 1980.

[Filippo]

Like the model T. The Model T.

[Doug DeMuro]

But we love hosting them. We love the community that's kind of built up around them. And I'm excited to kind of keep growing that segment of cars a bit.

[Filippo]

And we have gotten really good numbers for some really serious cars. And a tribute. Yeah, the GTO tribute. The Pantera the other day did, well, a lot of stuff.

[Doug DeMuro]

We saw the last 2D Tomasos that we've hosted.

[Filippo]

We did that 914 auction. I'm trying to do more old car videos, too, because I know my audience wants to see it, and I've never been able to justify it financially until recently.

[Kenan]

Recently.

[Filippo]

Now that we've started offering them and so we're trying to do a few more of them that E type Filippo's talking about. I actually filmed a video that's coming soon.

[Doug DeMuro]

We have two. We sold two D Tomas. The same.

[Kenan]

Oh, yeah.

[Doug DeMuro]

And it's not the only one. There's another. These are cool cars.

[Kenan]

Mangosta.

[Filippo]

Not a. I think it's gone well. You agree it's gone?

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah, totally. We sold a Mangusta. And don't just brush it off.

[Kenan]

Mangostas are substantially more rare.

[Doug DeMuro]

I said ditomasa.

[Kenan]

Yeah.

[Doug DeMuro]

Deliberately. Because I don't know anything else about.

[Kenan]

Yeah, well, I'm telling you, this is a really special car. Yeah, really special car. So beautiful. That rear three quarter is so cool.

[Doug DeMuro]

So it is really cool. So long.

[Filippo]

So I think it's gone well. I. I would say it's gone well. I was very resistant to it at first because I wanted to be the 80s and up auction site and all that. And everybody else in the business was like, come on, come on. And a lot of our sellers were actually really pushing us to do it. So finally I caved. I was like the last holdout. And finally when I caved, they did it. And I think it's gone reasonably well. It seems like people are into it. Sellers are into it. We gotten a lot of cars. Buyers are into it. They're buying the car cars and it's been cool. Then I've been able to review some stuff that I wouldn't have otherwise, like a Pantera, which I absolutely loved. 914, the E type. We got that crazy old BMW which.

[Doug DeMuro]

I'm really so excited about. You're going to do an Alfa Romeo very soon.

[Filippo]

Yeah, yeah.

[Kenan]

The 700 Lexus was.

[Filippo]

Next question from Josh Ito. Hey, Doug and friends. Recently you spoke about how much you dislike the Porsche guys who care more about the color of the car than the car itself. Does that not apply to you as well, since you would only consider your 911 Turbo to be a renowned. I want to be really clear about this because a couple people asked this question, but I want to be really clear. I have always focused pretty heavily on making sure that the car that I bought was in the color, the physical color that I wanted. I always try to buy my cars in the press color, the one that was in the auto shows like this, the magazine pictures, the photos that were in the advertisements. Always. That was true before my993. It was true of every car I've ever owned. Honestly has always been in the color. Where it goes wrong is when you go well beyond that, which is what the Porsche people do. They get into all the little distinguish. I have a 340 window because I got stitching on the underside and I hate that stuff. And so I think getting the car in the right color is reasonable. I think when you go into the. There's deviated stitching on my license plate bracket. That's where it gets embarrassing. And I think that's a really a pretty big distinction because a color is a big deal. The rest of the stuff is not a big deal. Do you. Is this. You agree with this?

[Doug DeMuro]

Yep.

[Filippo]

Is this, this right?

[Kenan]

Yeah. Drive the cars.

[Filippo]

Drive the cars. Get a cool color. Get a car you like. Get a cool color. Get a couple options, whatever. But like just then drive the car and stop focusing on guys. I'm posting on Renlist. Guys, do you think. Has anybody. Has anybody done painted clock handle dials? I want to see. I want to see what the clock face looks like painted pink.

[Doug DeMuro]

Cool specs are cool. Talking about it because it's the only differentiator is less cool.

[Filippo]

Yeah. I mean, that's so true. That's so true.

[Kenan]

Right?

[Doug DeMuro]

Like a cool spec is cool ob like objectively. And people will love to see it and talk about it, but if that's the only if. That's if it's not about your experience with the car and why you're enjoying the car.

[Kenan]

And if you're to flex on other people, it's kind of lame.

[Doug DeMuro]

Unless you are in a Rentech SL65.

[Kenan]

And then flex like Jerry Seinfeld is cool because it's conflict.

[Doug DeMuro]

Well, Kenan, what's your license plate?

[Kenan]

It's the one he came up with. 65, not 50.

[Filippo]

That's right. 65, not 55, baby.

[Kenan]

I prefer that speed limit.

[Filippo]

Okay, I want to do another question that was related to last week's pod that I think we should all really, truly discuss from JB 1016. Doug is trolling us VW fanboys when I'm taking the bait. Doug, since you contend that the VR6 is just another V6, can you name a V6 with a single cylinder head? Okay, last week on the pod, I said that VR6.6 is purely marketable. It's just a V6. But they call it the VR6 to be cool. People are like, no, it has a single cylinder head. You don't understand. There's a lot of engines with a lot of interesting things. Okay? When Porsche went from air cooled to water cooled, they didn't call it a flat water six. They just kept calling it a flat six. Okay? It was a completely different way of doing things, but they didn't name it something different. Anybody who buys into this VR6 stuff because it's a single cylinder in her head, you're getting duped by marketing. Yes, it has an unusual characteristic, but a lot of engines have unusual or special things. And when the manufacturer tries to convince you that that makes it special, that's where you get duped. And by the way, getting 172 horsepower out of a 2.8 liter V6, I wasn't exactly rocket ship stuff.

[Kenan]

Okay, so you're saying that flat 12s not something because it's a V. All.

[Filippo]

I'm saying is, is you look at the construction of the engine. VR6. Is it six cylinders in a V? Oh, it's a V6. And the manufacturing call whatever they want. And yes, there are some unusual things about it. Just like there's unusual things about a lot of engines when they went from steel to aluminum. They didn't start calling them V engines and try to get marketing. They just made it out of a different thing. And. And they didn't try to sell people on it. And anybody who's sitting over there going, no, the VR6 is superior. It gets 170k. Yours better? No, it's as superior as deviated clock face handles. Whatever.

[Doug DeMuro]

I said as that something.

[Filippo]

All right, the next question's for Filippo.

[Doug DeMuro]

Oh, great.

[Filippo]

H Town says, who do we thank for the beautiful cinematography on that NSX video and recent videos in general? Talking about the canon videos now that the whole gang has gotten in on it with Doug's recent NSX night drive. I'd love to hear how that started. And will there be more?

[Doug DeMuro]

I think we should have our producer, Sean, who sits behind that desk, talk about it. But our entire team put in a ton of work and energy come over. Nick and Sandon, who do a lot of the editing, Sean behind the scenes, and a bunch of other really talented folks who are part of it.

[Filippo]

And will there be more?

[Doug DeMuro]

It depends. Go watch it then. Maybe.

[Kenan]

I have a Jaguar XK140 that's coming very shortly.

[Doug DeMuro]

The answer, fundamentally, is yes. There's a great video that Ken did on another old Jag coming up next week. We're filming some other really incredible content month after month.

[Filippo]

Sean's over here freaking out. He's like, you got to say. You got to say the.

[Doug DeMuro]

What?

[Filippo]

No, no. Now, I will tell you this about the. The. The night video at the nsx.

[Doug DeMuro]

I can shoot on a camcorder. I bought a camcorder.

[Filippo]

I can shoot one of my videos to, you know, four hours, and it's great. Good stuff. That night video of The NSX took 61 hours. Actually, I bet it took more than that. If you add up the time of all of the people on St, you know, because it took them two nights.

[Doug DeMuro]

If you will, man hours.

[Filippo]

It probably took 180. And we got. How would we get out? We got three minutes. So anyway, my personal belief. I've watched Motor Trend do this, and my personal belief is I don't think that that pencils out financial, if you really get where I'm going with it.

[Doug DeMuro]

But it's also really cool to push the envelope sometimes in fun ways, as with that video. And then also Kenan did that phenomenal video with the 3.0 CSL that we then auctioned. There's really cool things that we can do because our team is incredibly talented. And is this something where every single video we put out week after week is going to be that? No, because to Doug's point, that doesn't quite make sense, but sometimes it's really, really worth it. And it's fun to be more cinematic.

[Kenan]

It's fun to present the, like, these really special cars that we want to highlight for you guys as an audience because they're really, they are like some people either maybe they're not familiar with it or like the vanquish they had or the garage even. I forgot about it just then. Like people just forget about those cars. It's important to help elevate those things.

[Filippo]

And it's, it's fun.

[Kenan]

I mean, honestly, we all kind of, I mean except for him, we all kind of like doing it. So it's, it's also.

[Doug DeMuro]

We're pretty fast at it.

[Filippo]

Yeah, yeah. It was only 320 man hours. Well, that was per minute, folks. Okay.

[Doug DeMuro]

The, the, the setup, I think behind the scenes video of it or at least some photos of it, like the setup to capture the shots from the NSX was so cool.

[Filippo]

Like I, I love seeing what happened was.

[Doug DeMuro]

I love seeing people that are into cameras and cinematography like kind of nerd out over it and get to do what they think is fun.

[Filippo]

What happened was I've been around for a whole night with a rig attached to the NSX that had no license plate.

[Doug DeMuro]

Probably the rig probably didn't have a plate. I do agree. The rig on it. It needed sandal.

[Filippo]

It probably should have. And if anybody at any point comes to me and says, you got any permits, then what you, what you say is, oh, God, no. We're just making a little YouTube video, sir. Oh, oh, oh. It's nothing. We don't, don't mind the rig that took them six months to build before this video. Don't mind the rig. They were up till 1am the previous night building. We're just making a little video for you there.

[Doug DeMuro]

We had a camcorder that was like an old school camcorder that was filming you. And then there was an. There was a camera filming the camcorder.

[Filippo]

There was a camera filming. It was, it was. I remember it was cool. It was ridiculous. The whole thing was cool. When we do this, you don't understand. Everybody wants cinematic content. When you do. There is no way to justify the existence cinematic content. Now I will tell you one little teaser. Pretty soon we. That Audi A2 that I made Sean buy. Yeah. And that.

[Doug DeMuro]

Thank you for admitting it. Finally.

[Filippo]

That Fiat that Filippo, God knows why he bought. Still three years hasn't run. It hasn't run in two months. Three years ago we get some video coming coming up that's pretty well quality with, with those cars.

[Doug DeMuro]

Have you seen it? I haven't seen it.

[Filippo]

Haven't seen a thing. But I'm sure it's going to be great because Sean only makes good content. And if you want to tell Sean how you feel. S E a n Sean. Carsandbids.com I want to get on to our last question here which is from Ian J. Doug, I think I can solve your sequoia problem. You need a Rivian R1S or an Armada 4X Pro 4X folks. I don't have a sequoia problem. I'm off golf cars. All right, that's it. You got anything?

[Doug DeMuro]

Come say hi at Davant.

[Kenan]

Check out the YouTube channel 65 concept.

[Doug DeMuro]

I do want to say go back to that NSX that we've over auctioned. We're.

[Filippo]

We're.

[Doug DeMuro]

The NSX auction ends on Monday for the 320000 mile NSX that we live right now. I want to point something out. We, we worked with Coinbase to acquire this car. We have since also been done a incredible $23,000 engine out service. So if you are looking for an NSX based on the interior condition and the exterior condition and now the mechanical condition, it doesn't matter. The like the miles don't show on the interior of this car and now they don't like the engine is incredible.

[Kenan]

You know what?

[Doug DeMuro]

Just one vibe.

[Kenan]

I agree, I agree.

[Doug DeMuro]

And I'm a little sad that I just bought a car because otherwise I.

[Filippo]

Would you agree with this?

[Kenan]

Well, someone has a 255,000 miles that just looks like it has 55,000 miles on it.

[Doug DeMuro]

We did.

[Filippo]

It was 23 grand that cost this engine out service. 23.

[Doug DeMuro]

I'm rapping but if you're.

[Filippo]

It was more than that.

[Doug DeMuro]

No, I don't remember.

[Filippo]

If you want a nice early NSX, this is the one you want. We did 23 so we got a new clutch, new belts and we did a. It was a. It was like a rebuilt top end head gaskets there.

[Doug DeMuro]

The entire invoice is in the.

[Filippo]

And we. We sent. The people who did it were like the NSX people in Southern California. We sent it to like Orange county or something.

[Doug DeMuro]

Right? Yeah.

[Filippo]

Why aren't you buying this car if you're sitting here watching this pot. Is the car done the auction already over by the time.

[Doug DeMuro]

No, no, no.

[Filippo]

Why aren't you buying this car? We didn't even really. Why am I trying to sell? I don't care if you buy it or not.

[Doug DeMuro]

I don't have the. I want you to know. I want everybody watching to know that this is like the. It's. I find it so cool when a high mile car like your M5 has been preserved and updated in such a way that it is. It no longer reflects. It's like the milestone on the odometer have no actual impact on how it drives or how.

[Filippo]

And that is definitely, definitely true because I drove it from for the video before we did the service and drove fine but I was a little. I was. The clutch wasn't what I would want and now it's like butter smooth perfect. And. And that was part of what was so cool. And at the time we didn't know that it needed a top end rebuild which honestly it drove completely fine.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah.

[Filippo]

So think about that when you're buying somebody else's NSX that has it at a top end rebuild.

[Doug DeMuro]

Go read through the auctions. Cool stuff.

[Kenan]

It's really cool. I can't wait for it. This is not the first time an Ultra High mileage 1 owner NSX has come through the site. Was happy for it to find a.

[Filippo]

New home driving it.

[Doug DeMuro]

I want to make some. We've sold another couple other really high mile.

[Kenan]

200,000.

[Doug DeMuro]

234,000 miles. 207,000 miles. 200,000 miles. This has 320.

[Filippo]

They can. Yeah. It's another 100k windmill dunk.

[Kenan]

It's crazy but it's like when you say the temperature there's somebody else somewhere else. Oh I've got one worth 430,000. I never had to rebuild the top end.

[Filippo]

Always the.

[Doug DeMuro]

The first letter of the car somewhere else. Email him back and forth with him. Just kind of keep him updated on really.

[Filippo]

You've been talking to the guy who owned it.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah. He was very displeased that it needed top end because all of the information that he had from his shops was that like it was perfectly fine. He done a compression test and he was like well I wonder actively upset about it.

[Filippo]

But it. The compression was okay, wasn't it? My guess is we probably it probably just based on how it drove and how it sounded we probably could have gone a while before it needed it.

[Doug DeMuro]

I know but it's nice to have it done.

[Filippo]

We're auctioning this car. We want to make it nice and. And we don't it. We're not even advertising the cobblestone floor mats which honestly we could throw in. Okay. That's the end of the pod.

[Doug DeMuro]

That's the end of the pod.

[Filippo]

Best honestly one of the best pods we've ever done except that it was got a little off the rails a lot of the time and I'm sorry for that. Goodbye everyone.

[Doug DeMuro]

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