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- [00:00]
Doug DeMuro
Foreign. Hello and welcome to this car pod.
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Filippo
Filippo.
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Doug DeMuro
I'm Sean and this is a very important episode of our podcast. We recorded this episode a week ago because I am out of town. So we recorded the whole thing. We were gonna post it and then disaster struck. Actual disaster. This is bad. Real disaster. The Ferrari Luce is announced and sitting here. We have to comment on this. We got the biggest car pot. We have to comment our opinion and tell people how we, we feel about this thing. So Ferrari Luce. Filippo, why don't you start us off with just the basic facts and then we'll get into what we think. Yeah.
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Filippo
So Ferrari on Monday, yesterday was we're filming this revealed the Luce after months of like teasing the interior and teasing other things. It is a five seater, four door electric vehicle. We'll get to some pictures in a minute. Has something like 10, 50 horsepower from four from four motors, one on each wheel. The rear ones produce 800 something. Of that we expected to have just shy of 300 miles of range in the US cycle. A little bit over that in the WLTP European cycle. It was developed and designed in collaboration between Ferrari's design studio and Joni I've and his design firm, Love from Joni Iva, of course, famous for his apple work.
- [01:27]
Doug DeMuro
All right. I have a lot of thoughts about this. The biggest of which is this is an absolute abomination and the single worst decision that I don't want to say that any automaker has made in my lifetime. But we're getting there. We're getting really, really, really close. Let's start with Ferrari and just what this is for Ferrari. Ferrari says they want to bring on. They want to kind of go in a different direction. And I've been thinking about this and I wonder if the different direction they want to go in is that they want to, for the first time in their history, have nobody interested in one of their products. I wonder if that's where they're headed with this one. I don't find it to be particularly ugly. A lot of people are saying it's ugly. I think it'd be fine. I think if it was released as a polestar or a Honda, we'd be like, oh yeah, this is a car. Whatever. I think releasing it as a four door electric Ferrari that looks so generic and so non Ferrari and so not desirable. Right. Like it looks practical and aerodynamic, but like this isn't how we think of Ferrari. It's just a total. It's absolutely insane. And I want to be clear here about a couple of Things. I think it's insane. I'm sure you guys do. Everyone does. All comments I have seen all over social media, everywhere have been unbelievably negative. I have not yet seen a single positive comment anywhere from anyone on any subject. But this isn't just the usual Internet car enthusiast losers who are going off. Luca di Montezemolo, who was Ferrari CEO before, was quoted on the record today as saying, if I said what I think, it would damage Ferrari. We risk the destruction of a myth. I hope they remove the prancing horse from that car. This isn't just a guy. This is the most important guy in Ferrari's modern history who blew up the brand and created Ferrari. Ferrari, basically what it is today. The company Ferrari stock price dropped.
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Ryan Lopez
Ferrari still resting on the steam and the momentum that Lucas set in motion.
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Doug DeMuro
Well, to a degree, I think Ferrari Ferrari IPO'd in a post Luca era and have greatly expanded things since then in a way that some purists don't love. But that has been very successful financially for Ferrari. And so Luca kind of started them on this trajectory and I think they've done an amazing job of continuing on this trajectory since then. But this is. This changes things. Ferrari stock price today was down almost 5% on the announcement, which I think is proof that it's not just a bunch of Internet people who don't like it. This is real. Like, these are real people responding in real time watching this and saying, this is a complete disaster. Unbelievably negative. I have a lot of like, kind of annoying rich guy friends who aren't actually into cars but sort of like pretend to be. And all of them are laughing. These are the kind of people who would normally buy something like this who like bought, you know, cayenne Turbos and other EV AQSs. And they're sitting here like, who would touch this car, you know, who likes
- [04:31]
Ryan Lopez
this car is Mustang Mach E. Buyers. It's the same exact concept. Let's take iconic name and just put it on absolute crap and let's see what happens.
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Filippo
Okay. Mustang Mach E is a relatively compelling, when it came out, EV product. Here's what I think Ferrari is struggling with. They realize that they have to in some markets, Europe being one of them, frankly, if they want to have any amount of sales growth, they need to offer an EV that's kind of non negotiable for some of the world markets where they compete. It's not true in the US but it's true in some markets that they need to Offer something for a bunch of.
- [05:08]
Ryan Lopez
For every other manufacturer. I think it makes sense, yes.
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Doug DeMuro
For Ferrari.
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Filippo
I think they not to have growth, to be able to sell in certain markets. I do think they will need to have an electric vehicle in their lineup.
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Doug DeMuro
Yeah, I think that that's reasonable. I think that that's an acceptably fair point. Especially Asia.
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Filippo
I think that they saw the failure of some other cars, the clean Ferrari, Battista being one of them. A bunch of others were like, these are like high powered sports cars that have not done well in the market and they thought we need to go in a different direction. It feels like they chose the wrong different direction. But I get what led that.
- [05:43]
Doug DeMuro
I think that there's, you can see where their head was, you can see what they're thinking. A practical four door car is much more popular in China where sports cars have not been particularly popular, even Porsches. And so there's, there's some sense to that and hey, we need to go in a different direction. So we're going to hire this totally different design team basically to like take us in this different direction and this is going to be a new Ferrari and so you kind of understand where they're going in that sense. But it is obviously one of the, one of the stupidest, most indescribably idiotic decisions. I mean any one of these things taken individually would be insane. The car has basically the numbers of like nice polestar, right. Like 0625.
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Filippo
I know it's not competitive. The Lucid air Sapphire is 1.8, 1.89.
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Doug DeMuro
Sapphire in 1.8 seconds like that, that's a Ferrari is the fastest. Whatever. If Ferrari is going to come out with this car and charge what 3x what Lucid Air is charged, Lucid charges for that Sapphire and then it's going to look like this and not even be faster. Right.
- [06:48]
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That's the thing.
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Filippo
Right. I think Ferrari, despite what everybody wishes, which is I think everybody wishes that Ferrari was a more sentimental brand that looked back, tries to just keep going. That's not how they present themselves.
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Ryan Lopez
Yes.
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Filippo
That's not what they want to be sure.
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Ryan Lopez
But in the design of this car there's a lot of looking back, the round tail lights, a lot of the interior features, a lot of what Jony I've took from Ferrari is looking back.
- [07:10]
Doug DeMuro
Sure. I will say Filippo's point though is a great one. Ferrari has actually not only have they don't view themselves as being sentimental, they've actually been successful by being not sentimental every time they've come out with a new product that has not been sentimental. An SUV, a four seater convertible in 2008, which was a big deal. They have actually all they've done is get more sales and sell more cars. And so they're sitting here watching this. I bet you there are people in Ferrari HQ sitting there watching this and saying, this will blow over. It's another California launch. This is just another California. These people don't know yet. I think what who doesn't know is Ferrari. We have watched brand after brand attempt these things and not succeed particularly well and walk back EV strategies not just in the states but globally because demand hasn't been there. But particularly demand hasn't been there at this price point in this segment. The Batista and the Rimac Nevera are good examples. But Lamborghini bailed out of the whole thing because they listen to their customers. And I think it's interesting, Ferrari has always been intentionally arrogant about listening to their customers. They've always kind of we're not going to listen to our customers. We know what's best and I think that works right up until it doesn't. And this will not work. This is not just an abomination as a. It's just, it's embarrassing. It's completely embarrassing to do this to the Ferrari brand.
- [08:27]
Filippo
A couple of things that are interesting legitimately. Five seater first five seater Ferrari. Why they felt they need to do that, I don't really know. But regardless, I think because.
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Doug DeMuro
Because, because cars with four doors.
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Filippo
Four doors, yeah. But four seats I think is fine for the Asian market too. I don't know how they got specs to be that unimpressive. It's hard to know.
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Ryan Lopez
I want to know what it weighs is. If it's super light, then that becomes much more interesting.
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Filippo
It's not.
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Ryan Lopez
I want to know that number.
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Doug DeMuro
I have a few other things that I've been thinking about.
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Filippo
As do I, but go ahead.
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Doug DeMuro
Jony, I've is famous in the design world, maybe one of the most famous living designers and I don't want to say that he's got an ego. I don't know him. I haven't seen a lot of interviews with him but obviously he has this respect. So he goes into this and probably people are willing to. First off, what does his legacy look like after this? Obviously there's a tarnishment here and there will be when this car is the flop that it will become. But you also have to wonder like are people just. Did people just say yes? Because Jony, I've said it to be true. And he did the iPhone or he knows what he's doing and we want to go in a different direction. And so here's this man who. He must know better than us, you know, like. And just people rubber stamped it because they just assumed that a different direction meant something like this. I'm curious about that.
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Filippo
Well, so I do want to say about that. The shape itself, per Ferrari's own press releases, was designed by Ferrari. Before bringing in Jony, I've all he did from their description was basically like put the finishing touches on it, do some of the stylistic elements around the shape.
- [10:04]
Doug DeMuro
Well, he's going to go. I mean, regardless of that, he will go down as being associated with this forever. I mean, this will be part of his legacy. I was also interested in some of my colleagues who went to the event. Pay close attention over the next weeks at these videos. There are going to be people who tell you things in order to keep a relationship as opposed to the truth. And we are going to tell you the truth here. This thing sucks.
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Filippo
I do wonder what it looks like with other cars. It's hard to get a sense of like its full height and shape.
- [10:40]
Doug DeMuro
I'll tell you what it looks like. It looks like ass. It looks like ass.
- [10:43]
Filippo
It is much lower than a purosangue. I don't remember the exact numbers, but longer. It's also lower. I do wonder what it looks like relative to other cars.
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Ryan Lopez
It's interesting. There's a creator named Cleo Abram that doesn't do car content. But got to interview Jony I've and Flavio Manzoni, who's the head of design for Ferrari. And she asked really the right questions that you want. You want to ask, like, what would Enzo Ferrari think of this? What would Steve Jobs think of this? And they had a really hard time answering those questions.
- [11:10]
Filippo
Yeah, I think I would too. Okay, I do want to speak about a couple of interesting things. By all accounts from people that were there in person. So take everything that I'm about to say with the grain of salt that Doug added. The interior is stunningly beautiful and like well executed, great materials. Truly beautiful, purportedly the one, you know,
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Doug DeMuro
we predicted on this podcast a couple of months ago that they showed the interior first because the car was going to be so disappointing that they wanted to get some positive. I agree. The interior looks cool. We predicted that. We even put on a short. Did you?
- [11:41]
Filippo
The one thing that I do think is actually interesting. So apparently the motors are designed by Ferrari, which is kind of Interesting. That's somewhat rare in the EV world. The batteries are made to be able to swap out for future battery cell types, which is kind of interesting. The sound thing is actually truly interesting. So you can change the sound that you're getting from it, but the sound is captured from the vibration in the axles. It's not like a false sound that's generated for this like everybody else does, like BMW does. That's Hans Zimmer.
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Doug DeMuro
Can you change the sound to make the car not stuck? Is that possible?
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Filippo
I can't speak to that. But it is kind of interesting to use the sound waves from, like, the vibration axles that are then amplified. That's somewhat interesting, I will say.
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Doug DeMuro
It's just not going to be enough, Filippo,
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Filippo
for sure.
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Doug DeMuro
Is this going to be the first
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Ryan Lopez
time Mansory improves Ferrari?
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Doug DeMuro
I don't think it's that. I don't. I don't like. I don't dislike how it looks, by the way. I do think that it looks like the next gen I pace. Like, when I look at it, I think I see a next gen I pace. And that's another sadness for me. Like, this is a derivative car. Ferrari's entire history has been like, with a few exceptions in the 60s and 70s has been like being the leaders in design. We're going to go out there and we're going to just make the most beautiful cars that are the most desirable, and everyone else is going to follow us, especially in the last 20 years. And that's been true. And to show up with this derivative design that looks like it could be a Mercedes, a Polestar Jaguar, like anything, that's just, like, totally crazy. You know what hit me the other day? It hit me as I was. I was thinking about this. Everybody always accuses me of being a Porsche guy. You know, if Ferrari's gonna do this, like, my kids are gonna grow up in an era where Porsche is the enthusiast brand. Ferrari has been. Has handed this to Porsche. When I was a kid, Ferrari was the enthusiast brand, and me and Sean fell in love with Ferrari. And I know every Ferrari, and I am most obsessed with Ferrari of any brand. And why is my child gon up in that? Same way. Porsche's making cars with manual transmissions and, like, real naturally aspirated engines. And Ferrari's making, making this, like, this is what, for $600,000?
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Filippo
Like, what competitive specs, really? I find it kind of interesting. I want to see one in person to really draw judgment.
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Doug DeMuro
Doug, review of this car.
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Ryan Lopez
It's going to be amazing.
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Doug DeMuro
Yeah, I Mean, obviously, they won't lend me a car, so I'm gonna have to borrow it from somebody. I'd be surpri. Obviously, the people that I bo Ferraris from are going to be forced to buy one. And I think that that's a reality of this car. Ferrari's going to point to some sales and say, hey, we're selling them. But that's only because there are people who are hoping for allocations of other cars who are going to get stuck with them. One thing I do find very interesting is Ferrari has made it incredibly clear that they want this car to be a car that creates new buyers for them. And so I assume what they are hoping for is people who are not just trying to play the allocation game and get allocated an SP4, an SP5 or an SP6 or whatever those cars come. They're trying to find actual new customers buying this car. And I can't imagine there's a market for this car outside of people who are forced to buy.
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Filippo
I'm not as pessimistic on it as you and literally every other person.
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Doug DeMuro
$600,000. You're not as pessimistic. There's a lot of rich people who.
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Filippo
I don't like tech. I think it looks kind of interesting.
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Doug DeMuro
They're all going to get laughed at. Those rich people only like this stuff in as much as it is cool. They only buy these cars in as much as it makes them feel cool to driving it and be looked at as cool by other people. No one will think that about this. If someone I know who's in my rich guy sphere buys this car, the rest of us will all be laughing at him behind his back. And probably to me, I will laugh at him to his face. This is. This is an absolute abomination.
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Filippo
I don't. I get your point about it being looking like a lot of other EVs and being a little derivative of that. I don't fully agree. I think there's a lot of pretty unique elements from a sound perspective. I think that there's a chance that in real life, in some markets, this does come out and looks futuristic and can bring new people to the brand. I'm not as pessimistic about it as I think you or most other people, especially in the US Are. I don't think there's a car for us. There's not a car for the US market. I mean, it will come here by all accounts, but I don't think it was developed with those in mind. I think that's reflected here.
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Doug DeMuro
It's not a car for any market at 6. I mean, probably true, by the way.
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Filippo
Can I. The headlight appears to be in the lower section of the bodywork.
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Doug DeMuro
It doesn't matter. The details do not matter. The overarching big picture is Ferrari has been an object of desirability that seems untouchable and amazingly cool to the point of frustration. Honestly, for the last 25 years, other automakers bang their heads against the wall saying, this Huracan is just as good. Why can't we keep resale? Why can't we have a long waiting list like Ferrari does? Why can't we, you know, get people into an MC20, right? Like, even though Ferrari, it's the same, it looks the same. It looks even better. The performance numbers are the same. Aston Martin has been killing themselves for 25 years trying to make cars as desirable as Ferrari. Their numbers are similar. No one wants the cars because Ferrari has this mystique, which, in my mind, has taken a massive hit. If this car does come to market, which it seems like there's for better
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- [18:48]
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Ryan Lopez
Why did they do this? Like, why do you think they chose to do this at this moment? Like Ferrari and the Italian government are very cozy. They didn't need to do this for any regulatory reason.
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Doug DeMuro
I mean, there are other countries. I mean, but Ferrari, Ferrari is probably worried about, about getting about falling behind on a global level in terms of its brand. But it does absolutely astonish me when we are looking at other automakers. The fact that Lamborghini was going to do this and then bailed because of consumer. And we've seen Pininfarina and we've seen Rimac and we've seen other companies including Ferrari's own SF90s which are trading at half of sticker. That's another thing that hasn't been discussed here. But this is a different era of Ferrari in a lot of ways. And we're already starting to kind of go down that path where Ferrari is no longer the brand that it once was. Making one less car than the market demands because you're seeing resale values tank. You're seeing 12 Solyndris on the market right now selling for under MSRP cars that have 75 miles on them. And this ain't the Ferrari of yore. And I think that they're worried that their brand won't be as accepted globally. A four door car, an electric car is going to get them into some of these markets, but it certainly is not going to curry them any favor in any place where Ferrari is an established and desirable brand. And I don't think this car will serve to make them more desirable in those emerging markets that don't know the Ferrari brand that well either. So I think it's a flop on basically every level.
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Filippo
I, I do think, I, I don't disagree to be clear, and I'm taking a somewhat contrarian view here. Since Ferrari went public, they had a huge run up 2022 to 2025, more or less in their stock price. It has been coming down for the last year. Plus in the last year it's down 32%. Yes, it's down again today by today's Tuesday by about 5%. But in the last five days it's about flat, which I'm going to interpret as the market has kind of realized that Ferrari is in a precarious position where maybe they're not worth as much as we once thought. I do hope that the Lucha is a little bit of a wake up call for Ferrari and this reaction is a little bit of a wake up call that they actually do need to go after enthusiasts if they want to retain any of their brand credibility. I hope that that will do.
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Doug DeMuro
I Don't think that Ferrari will truly get a wake up call until the sales numbers come in.
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Filippo
And because I think to be fair,
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Doug DeMuro
they're down, they will. I truly think that Ferrari is sitting there. Ferrari, who has always been arrogant about their customers demands. From the day that Enzo Ferrari told Ferruccio Lamborghini to go build tractors, Ferrari has always been arrogant about this. I think that they're sitting there thinking the market is reacting like this, but they don't know. And it's a bunch of Internet people and none of these people are real anyway. And when this car comes out, people are going to see how great it is and they're going to buy it. I think Ferrari truly is sitting there right now believing that. I don't think that they're sitting there thinking like shaking or nervous about the reaction. I think they're reminded of California and of purosangue and they're saying we've weathered this stuff before and we are Ferrari and we will weather it again. And I think that this particular car, I don't, I think when we look back, this car will not be. Have been the beginning of the end. I think that came earlier. But this car certainly was probably the biggest block in terms of pushing them kind of down the road of becoming a brand that is not as revered as it was when we were all growing.
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Ryan Lopez
This is the first full departure, right. Every other car has had some connective tissue to what made Ferrari Ferrari. Even if they're looking forward, weren't looking in their past.
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Filippo
Right.
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Ryan Lopez
The Prosangway has a V12. The California has a great V8. There's something about this department.
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Doug DeMuro
The style of all those cars was unmistakably Ferrari. And honestly, lastly, people have been complaining about the departure of Pininfarina since it happened. I don't entirely agree. I think that Ferrari has always been sort of a futuristic leader type brand and they've taken the company in a completely futuristic direction. That has been kind of cool and interesting and until now and now forever. We will have, we will associate. You know, they went to the Apple iPhone guy and got a, and got an Apple iPhone car. And this is not the Ferrari that we ever wanted. And it's. And they're sitting, I truly believe they're sitting there right now in Italy saying these people, that's the whole point. We didn't want the enthusiasts. We want a new group. And I think that they're not going to. As a result, they're going to lose a lot of enthusiasts and they're not going to get the new people.
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Filippo
I think that's a fair. But don't worry, they have thousands of deeply considered details that unite to create a singular driving experience. So we're good.
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Doug DeMuro
We're going to have to rent one of these on Turo. There's nobody in the world who's going to lend me one of these. We're going to have to rent one of these on Turo. Unfortunately, that won't be possible because. Because no one on the planet will ever buy this trash. What if it is the greatest.
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Ryan Lopez
What if it is the greatest driving experience of all time, where you get in this car and it's like transforming?
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Doug DeMuro
I am curious about that, how it drives. It's funny because that has not been something that Ferrari has talked that much about.
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Filippo
They've talked about design and horsepower as a 296.
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Doug DeMuro
I remember when the Cayenne came out, one of Porsche's fallbacks was, okay, say what you will, but this makes the X5 drive like a truck. That was a direct quote from the people at Porsche. And when people drove the original Cayenne, they had that opinion and it really did start to sway public opinion on it. I don't think that's going to happen here because we've seen the Pininfarina Battista and the Rimac Nevera and other high powered EVs and we've already had that experience. There's no way that they can make this car drive in a way that makes up for all the other bs. It's not possible.
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Filippo
I am into this big bet. Like, fundamentally, I think it's cool, but I don't think that it's a good business decision in any way, shape or form.
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Doug DeMuro
Yeah, I think I am into it also.
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Filippo
I think they did a poor job of it. If they done a good job of it, I would be super into it.
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Doug DeMuro
Totally. I think Ferrari, an ev. Ferrari. If we're being honest about the future of cars, this is a direction they probably do have to go. There's a lot of different things you could say about timing and all that, but I think this is probably a future reality. Doing it at this time with this car that looks like this, with these numbers at this price point is just laughable. The Honda Prelude is off the hook. We have a new worst automotive decision of the last 10 years in our world here. With that, should we return to the regular podcast?
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Filippo
Let's go back to it.
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Doug DeMuro
Goodbye, everybody. Goodbye.
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Filippo
Hello.
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Ryan Lopez
Hello. I'm leaving.
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Filippo
You're leaving. Goodbye, Sean.
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Kenan
Yeah.
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Ryan Lopez
Kenan's joining Or Nick is joining and
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Filippo
I'm moving there too. Goodbye.
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Doug DeMuro
Hello and welcome to this car pod.
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Kenan
I'm Kenneth.
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Filippo
I'm Felipe.
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Doug DeMuro
This is a very special episode of this car pod because I am out of town and so we've pre recorded this. You're watching this. We recorded this weeks ago. Nothing that we say on this podcast, we still believe that's.
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Filippo
Yeah.
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Doug DeMuro
But because we record it weeks ago, unfortunately we have to skip our most sumptuous segment, the news.
- [29:08]
Kenan
Sumptuous, that's an interesting. The adjective for that one. Okay.
- [29:12]
Doug DeMuro
And so we're going to move directly because the news has happened but we can't report on it because we're starting
- [29:17]
Filippo
to load the news this week.
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Doug DeMuro
Right. So we're gonna instead move on to the talk cars segment right away. And there's a lot of talk cars. I have saved A lot of talk cars for this exact podcast to talk through a lot of car things. Since we don't have to discuss.
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Filippo
Start us off strong.
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Doug DeMuro
Okay, I will start us off strong. You know what? Let's just start with the most important thing of the day, which is kind of news to an extent. Sean and I received an email the other day. A couple of weeks ago on our podcast, I made a big thing about how I was still looking for two Colorado license plates to complete my set of one from every county in Colorado. One of these denim license plates. They were blue. They were only made from 1992 to 1999. And I've been looking for 25 years. I've been trying to complete this. This is not an exaggeration. I've been trying to do this for 25 years. And I'm down to two counties. And we got. And I jokingly said, I really. I didn't think anybody out there. I said, I have to give 1000 bucks to anybody who can get me one of the remaining two counties. And I gave him Sean's email.
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Filippo
Sure. That's s e a nartheinbits.com so we
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Doug DeMuro
got an email from a guy. Do you want to pull it up? We got an email from a guy named Curtis in Salt Lake City. And he said, dear Doug, Dear Sean, I have a plate. Doug's looking for you. My wife was a dental hygiene student at Colorado Northwestern Community College, 1998-2000 in Rangeley, Colorado. It's one of the small towns there. We registered our 1995 Subaru Legacy sedan in Rio Blanco county. While we were in school. We moved back. I kept the plate, and he asked if I wanted it to have it. 25 years I've been looking for this. Some people when so nice.
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Kenan
That is so generous.
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Doug DeMuro
I gave him a thousand bucks.
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Kenan
Are you sure you should? I'm glad you're a man of your word.
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Doug DeMuro
But look, Filippo, aren't now the last county left is Mineral. We're not going to find that by the same way. Unfortunately, we might. No, we won't. But Curtis came through for us. Unbelievable. Are you thrilled?
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Filippo
I'm thrilled. I'm also. I didn't realize you've been looking for 25 years. Some people turn 13 and have hobbies. I don't know what those hobbies are, but they have hobbies. Doug turned 13 and starts looking. I'll tell you what happened. For license plates.
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Doug DeMuro
I'll tell you what happened. I'll make it very clear. When I was a kid, yeah, I Was turned. When I was 11 years old, Colorado stopped producing license plates that showed what county the car was from when I was 11 years old. I consider it to be the worst moment of my life.
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Kenan
Life.
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Doug DeMuro
Okay. It's January 1, 2000, right? The dawn of the millennium, and they ruined everything. So because there were no more counties on the license plate, I. All right, whatever. I, I, I've made it my life's goal to. To get all of the counties. And they had green plates and they had blue plates, and the green ones were standard. They were easier to find. These cost $50 extra. So what Curtis didn't tell us here is that he actually spent 50 bucks extra to have this plate.
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Filippo
Wow.
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Doug DeMuro
Wow. Back in that era. And so, yeah, that. That was what I. As a child, that's all I wanted. I wanted to capture the license plates of my youth. See, Kenan wants the cars that. From when he was a kid that are the most. I only want the license plates.
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Kenan
That's where we differ.
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Doug DeMuro
I'm not even. Like, I grew up in Colorado. I haven't even been to Colorado in, like, seven years. I'm not interested in Colorado at all.
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Filippo
But you have been to every kind of.
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Doug DeMuro
I've been to every county in Colorado, including beautiful Rio Blanco county, which is in the northwest part of the state, where they find dinosaur fossils.
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Kenan
That's very cool. And they have denim license or had denim license.
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Filippo
And have a white river.
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Doug DeMuro
Yeah, There you go. Rio Blanco. Can't believe it. Truly changed my life. Curtis, thank you so much. If you're out there and you find the mineral, $1,000 for you.
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Kenan
Okay.
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Doug DeMuro
You gonna look?
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Kenan
No, I don't.
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Filippo
I've got flights.
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Doug DeMuro
You'll ever find it, so don't worry.
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Kenan
To be honest with you, I have never once in my whole life cared about license plates until you came into my life. And now that's all I see when I look at cars.
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Doug DeMuro
Ohio, by the way, still does puts counties on the license plates. And in fact, is one of my hero states, because they were going away from the whole county thing. They switched from the county name being written on the license plate to little numbers that you had to memorize. And they since went back to writing the county name. They've actually gone forward in. In. I think all license plates in all places should have.
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Kenan
But it looks terrible. The way they do it is like they print. It's just like it looks like someone used a label.
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Doug DeMuro
It looks really cheap. License plates in general look bad now because they're all flat now.
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Kenan
Also to be Clear with the small county numbers. Like it did say on there. But hey, you know, when I saw. I knew Summit County, I think it was 55. I can't remember what it was.
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Doug DeMuro
That's the problem. That's the problem.
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Kenan
It's been a long time. I don't live there anymore. Haven't lived there.
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Filippo
Speaking of license plates, Y. Yesterday this week pass again. I was up like in the by. Big Bear is.
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Doug DeMuro
Yeah.
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Filippo
And I. So I was on the 15 a lot. There's a lot of new cars up there and on highways. I spent the entire time looking for a new format. California.
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Doug DeMuro
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Filippo
Still have not seen one.
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Doug DeMuro
No. They're. They're. They only issued 250 of them in some Northern California county as like a test.
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Filippo
Surely they run out of nine Y's.
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Doug DeMuro
They're going to go to 9Z and do the whole thing. Sorry, you're not going to see the new format.
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Filippo
They're going to do nine.
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Doug DeMuro
Although I have yet. Although I have the first new format. Don't forget.
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Filippo
I haven't seen it. Have you seen it?
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Doug DeMuro
Have I seen the first new format
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Filippo
I thought I had? Didn't come in.
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Kenan
No.
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Doug DeMuro
I possess it. I've had it for years, literally. I have a picture of it, me holding it. Sean has posted on this podcast. I can't believe we start off with the most boring subject. Your decision. I want to move on to the best talk cars the whole time. This is generally a general talk cars. The Toyota Sienna pulling out the cybertruck. Have you seen this video?
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Filippo
I have not.
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Doug DeMuro
As if having a cybertruck at this point wasn't even more. Wasn't incredibly embarrassing. I want to take you through the
- [35:01]
Filippo
levels of embarrassment of this C70 parked behind us.
- [35:03]
Doug DeMuro
Pause here, pause here. So we start with this. The stuck cybertruck. Obviously embarrassing since this vehicle was touted as it can do anything and go anywhere and do anything. In addition, the cybertruck in general has kind of gotten embarrassed. We all agree. Like, you see him around, you're like, oh, well, that was last year's fashion accessory. Okay, so we start there. We're at the beginning of embarrassment. Then the camera moves and we see it's being pulled by something. Right? And the something that it's being pulled by is. Go back to the start is a Sienna. Now pause here, pause here, pause here. Go back a little bit. Actually, the next embarrassing layer is that it's being pulled by a Sienna. And this Sienna is so weak that it doesn't even have a tow hitch. They've got this strap hooked up somewhere to, like, a child's safety. The cybertruck is such a pathetic vehicle that it's getting pulled out not only by a minivan, but a minivan without even the capability of towing.
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Filippo
Hey, it's a hybrid.
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Doug DeMuro
Okay, okay. And then, you see, it's some. I don't want to be on this podcast. But you assumed it was going to be some burly dude who's like, all right, rescue people. Like Matt's off road recovery, you see? But no, it's a woman. It's like she's just. And then also to me, the most embarrassing thing is they've all decided to go to the kind of beach where people go in a C70. You think that's a C7?
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Filippo
Yeah, 100%.
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Doug DeMuro
With a blue top. I was going to say it's a. Oh, it is. It's a C70 with an aftermarket blue top.
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Filippo
You think I would be wrong about what kind of Volvo in the background of the shot.
- [36:34]
Doug DeMuro
The point is, if the cyber truck wasn't already an embarrassment. Boy, this video really drives it home, doesn't it?
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Filippo
They end up in the.
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Kenan
That there's so many layers to the video. It's really hard to pull them all apart. But I'm glad that you've given the play by play here.
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Doug DeMuro
So bad.
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Kenan
Well, also, he ran over, like, I don't know where the guy was going.
- [36:51]
Doug DeMuro
They weren't even capable of. How do you think steering into those things?
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Kenan
Right. That is so a Toyota. A Toyota and four five bystanders, a Toyota Sienna. And it's still kind of not out all the way at the end there.
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Doug DeMuro
That is cyber truck ownership in 2027. I look at him now and I'm like. And now that I've seen this video, I'm like, like, oh, yikes. Like, it doesn't. It can't tow. It's a four cylinder hybrid. They're pulling out a cyber truck. Remember, Elon Musk said it would be. It would save us from the apocalypse.
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Filippo
Hey, is that an all wheel drive Sienna?
- [37:24]
Doug DeMuro
Go.
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Filippo
Go for it. Yeah, I know. I. I know. I know that you specifically have a way to know.
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Doug DeMuro
Yeah, that's a. Well, it's not a platinum. I don't know. Actually, I think it is an all wheel drive.
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Filippo
We, Doug and I have discovered a lot of extensive research that the platinum Sienna has two different wheel designs.
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Doug DeMuro
Yeah. The bigger wheel is for the two
- [37:42]
Filippo
wheels, but you tell which is which.
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Doug DeMuro
I can tell instantly. This is the small wheel, but it Isn't a platinum. Regardless, it's probably a four wheel drive, but like does it matter? I mean this is the most embarrassing thing I've ever seen in my entire life.
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Kenan
Yeah, that's tough. I wonder how quick do you think
- [37:58]
Doug DeMuro
the guy sold this is Carmel.
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Kenan
It has to be.
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Doug DeMuro
I was thinking this is the beach at Carmel. Yeah, I think this is the beach in Carmel. Right at the Panorama Drive. Yeah, this is even more embarrassing. Imagine driving one of these around picturesque, serene, quiet Carmel.
- [38:13]
Kenan
Someone yelled at him, go back to the bay.
- [38:17]
Doug DeMuro
So true.
- [38:18]
Kenan
Well, you see both the wheels articulating.
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Doug DeMuro
What did you think when you saw
- [38:21]
Filippo
this video for the first time just now?
- [38:24]
Doug DeMuro
Really
- [38:26]
Filippo
figure out how they got in that situation at all?
- [38:28]
Doug DeMuro
Well, they got in this situation because they thought this could off road, which.
- [38:32]
Filippo
And it does have like all terrain tires, does it not?
- [38:34]
Doug DeMuro
Honestly, they're so dug out here, if they just took the air down, they
- [38:37]
Filippo
would have gotten that.
- [38:39]
Doug DeMuro
But they don't know that because they have a cyber truck and they have no capacity for understanding how to operate it in any situation. Yeah, that's so true. Cybertruck getting pulled out by a cnn. Ken, what are your thoughts when you see a cybertruck these days on the road?
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Kenan
You know, I, I just kind of ignore it. Like it's. I don't give people the satisfaction if you have one at this point. Like it just says a lot. You know, I do kind of get annoyed when passengers of mine go, look, it's a dumpster on wheels. It's like, yeah, we've already hear all the tropes are played out. It's just nothing. I'm just.
- [39:13]
Doug DeMuro
The tropes are even boring. The car is obviously boring. The tropes are even boring.
- [39:18]
Kenan
And it feels like bad to say that because it's like it's. It's like, okay, you're really kicking them. Like we know, we get it. It's an unspoken thing at this stage, right?
- [39:25]
Doug DeMuro
The fact that that article I read that said that 20% of cyber new cybertrucks were sold to one of Elon's own companies is just kind of that and this picture just kind of sum up everything also.
- [39:36]
Filippo
40% year over year, truck drop 40% drop 2025 versus 2024.
- [39:40]
Doug DeMuro
I mean Ford has the ability to just cancel the lightning and absorb those costs. And Tesla like put actual like company behind this ridiculous vehicle. They're canceling their suv, they're canceling their sedan, but at least they got the dumpster on wheels. Am I right? Okay, we have to move on to our next Talk Cars story, Felipe, why
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Filippo
don't you give it to us? Yeah.
- [40:04]
Doug DeMuro
All right.
- [40:04]
Filippo
We have an event coming up that I will personally be at, and I would like for you all to come, too.
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Doug DeMuro
Okay, where is it?
- [40:10]
Filippo
All right. This event is going to be the Lars Anderson Museum right outside Boston.
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Kenan
Great folks there. Good.
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Filippo
We're going to be on the East Coast. We're going to have something like 400 cars there, which is going to be our largest ever event at the Lars Anderson Meetup. If you go to the events page, we'll have a link in the bio, too. You can get a ticket. It's a free ticket, but we need to kind of track that you're going to be there to know how many cool cars we'll have.
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Kenan
I'm going to tell Jeff to go.
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Doug DeMuro
So you don't have to register.
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Filippo
You do have to register. There'll be a link at.
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Doug DeMuro
Oh, got it. But it's free.
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Filippo
But it's free.
- [40:37]
Doug DeMuro
What kind of cars are registering? Who's there? Who's coming?
- [40:39]
Filippo
I'll be there.
- [40:40]
Doug DeMuro
It's a month away. There must be some people registering already. Who's coming?
- [40:43]
Filippo
There's all kinds of people. We're recording this too far in advance, man. I can't tell you the best cars.
- [40:47]
Doug DeMuro
Anybody with an Acura ADX coming, I
- [40:49]
Filippo
hope that they come with their other car, whatever it is, whatever it may be. I hope they bring a different one.
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Kenan
Lars is interesting because they are like, you can park, like kind of up top of those little parking lot down below. They can get a lot of cars
- [41:01]
Filippo
selecting the cars that are in the premiere.
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Kenan
God, never mind. Don't go to this.
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Doug DeMuro
Oh, man. It's going to be. If you got a base automatic C7, he's going to park 14 of them in a row. We got every color, guys.
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Filippo
First of all, they call it Stingray.
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Kenan
No, it's going to be all. It's going to be. It's going to be all Porsches. It's going to be indistinguishable from any other automotive event.
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Filippo
It's going to be all 9,997brookline. And Massachusetts in general has some cars that I'm into. If you have a manual C71st gen, which exists, let me know. Yeah, also like that.
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Doug DeMuro
Yeah.
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Kenan
So, Jeff, don't bring the 575.
- [41:34]
Doug DeMuro
Luke, leave the M5 at home talking about a coupe. Yeah, of course there'll be a legitimately, a lot of really, really cool cars.
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Filippo
Make sure you.
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Doug DeMuro
You Register this is June 27th.
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Filippo
This is June 27th.
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Doug DeMuro
You're not going to it. Who even are you?
- [41:48]
Filippo
Right?
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Kenan
You should go. Lars Anderson is such.
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Doug DeMuro
Are you gonna be there?
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Kenan
I wish I could. I would.
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Doug DeMuro
Absolutely. What are you doing? June 27.
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Kenan
I'm. I'm. I got things. I don't need to go see the cars.
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Doug DeMuro
Dead serious. Ask you a question. Dead serious.
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Filippo
Yeah.
- [42:02]
Doug DeMuro
With your. What car would you dream would show up? Like you're sitting there doing the pointing.
- [42:09]
Filippo
Yeah.
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Doug DeMuro
You know, because that's like his dream already. To be able to control.
- [42:14]
Kenan
But only way. Yeah, exactly. The only way it could get better is if that, you know, just. Just let me do it.
- [42:19]
Doug DeMuro
That is the only way.
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Kenan
Say it to somebody.
- [42:22]
Filippo
Yeah. I would love a TZ3 3.
- [42:26]
Doug DeMuro
The Viper version. That's not. You're not into those. Admit that.
- [42:29]
Kenan
How do you know what that is?
- [42:30]
Filippo
How am I not into this?
- [42:30]
Doug DeMuro
Admit that. What you want. You want an Asuna Sun Runner?
- [42:35]
Filippo
Yeah. If you have an Asuna Sun Runner with. There's actually an Asuda Sun Runner. Not a GEO tracker.
- [42:42]
Doug DeMuro
Pull up an Asuna Sun Runner for us. I want you. And the U has two dots over it. Okay. We call it an Umlaut.
- [42:50]
Kenan
Umlaut.
- [42:51]
Filippo
Okay. But I don't think you need. Is a GEO tracker.
- [42:56]
Doug DeMuro
Excuse me. Excuse me. It is a GEO tracker. This is an Asuna Sun Runner Gt. I can't believe that you would. That you would say that you would denigrate the Asuna Sun Runner. Sean's sitting over here. Like, where is this going? What is wondering the thing. How are we only 15 minutes in. We're on the Asuna Sun Runner.
- [43:15]
Filippo
How did it take us this long to get here?
- [43:17]
Doug DeMuro
Kenan? Are you wondering what the hell this is?
- [43:18]
Kenan
Is. I know what the tracker is.
- [43:20]
Filippo
That's what this is.
- [43:22]
Doug DeMuro
I'm dead serious. Okay. I'm going to tell this a short story as soon as.
- [43:25]
Filippo
Boys at a short story.
- [43:27]
Doug DeMuro
The Asuna brand.
- [43:28]
Filippo
Not. Not till today.
- [43:29]
Doug DeMuro
There were a few Asunas. Were there really? Yeah. Okay. Here's what happened. General Canada generally prefers smaller cars in the U.S. in general, Canada's a little bit more towards the European side of, like, littler cars. And so General Motors sensed that and they decided that they would create a brand for Canada. Only small cars. But they would call it a Suna and give it sort of a European flair, even though it was actually American cars rebadged from Japanese because this started life as a Suzuki. And they tried to trick the Canadians. And the Canadians are savvy people. Alex Trebek you can't fool.
- [44:06]
Filippo
Did Alex Trebek have a Suzu?
- [44:08]
Doug DeMuro
No, he didn't. He didn't have an Asuna Sunfire because he knew point blank that this was an embarrassing attempt to trick him into believing this was some European brand. You want to know what?
- [44:18]
Kenan
You got to get up pretty early in the morning to fool me there, bud.
- [44:21]
Doug DeMuro
Yep.
- [44:21]
Filippo
I have an important question for you. What was the Asuna Sunfire?
- [44:25]
Doug DeMuro
Pontiac Sunfire. No, Pontiac. Pontiac gt.
- [44:29]
Filippo
The Zuzu Impulse.
- [44:32]
Doug DeMuro
Pull up the Asuna Sunfire. I don't believe it. That was the Geostorm.
- [44:36]
Kenan
The Sunfire.
- [44:37]
Doug DeMuro
No, the Impulse was the.
- [44:39]
Filippo
I mean, I mean it wasn't a question.
- [44:43]
Doug DeMuro
Look at that. Yeah, click on that. Rebadged Isuzu Impulse. There's one. These are all just Isuzu. Oh yeah, Asuna. There it is.
- [44:48]
Filippo
No, there was one that wasn't the Umlaut baby. What do you think? The Asuna SE or the GT depending on.
- [44:55]
Doug DeMuro
I think that was the Pontiac. I don't remember. Le Mans. Yes, that little Korean made Pontiac LeMans. This was a horrible situation and I'm so sorry that all of you have had to deal with it.
- [45:09]
Kenan
Fascinating. Anyway, so Filippo, you're gonna be at
- [45:13]
Filippo
Lars Anderson via Lars Anderson. Thanks for getting us back on track on the 27th. Deep.
- [45:19]
Doug DeMuro
We're getting deep today.
- [45:21]
Filippo
Come check it out. Come say hi to myself and a bunch of our team members as we like to say and bring your cool car to the Lars Anderson.
- [45:28]
Doug DeMuro
So here's what I suggest. First off, he said come say hi to myself. So when you walk up to the Lars Anderson, walk up to people and say hi myself self.
- [45:35]
Filippo
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
- [45:36]
Doug DeMuro
And then, and then walk up to the other cars and bids people and say hi team member, what's your name? Are you part of the team?
- [45:45]
Filippo
I would love that.
- [45:46]
Doug DeMuro
How many cars?
- [45:47]
Filippo
So nice thing we have space. We're going to cap it at 400.
- [45:51]
Doug DeMuro
400 cars. Going to be a big event.
- [45:52]
Filippo
It's going to be our largest ever like event that we singularly are hosting.
- [45:56]
Kenan
So if you're number 401, tough luck.
- [45:58]
Sponsor/Ad Voice
Too bad.
- [45:58]
Doug DeMuro
Do you think a Ferrari 400 is going to come or there really?
- [46:03]
Kenan
550 which we sold on cars and bids actually later on.
- [46:05]
Doug DeMuro
Really?
- [46:06]
Kenan
Yeah, it's real stuff that shows up.
- [46:08]
Filippo
I think it was enough if you're 401. I'm so sorry. I will have to kick out the soonest Sun Sun Runner for you.
- [46:13]
Doug DeMuro
Soon as the Asuna Sun Runner shows up. You better take it.
- [46:17]
Kenan
I hope the entire Asuna Sunrunner Club, which there isn't one. But I'm sure if, if there were
- [46:23]
Doug DeMuro
one, they would show guys Calgary.
- [46:25]
Filippo
Like, the car was federalized, but, like, do you think that Asuna will provide a substantively similar level?
- [46:30]
Doug DeMuro
I think that it's been 25 years. Years. I think we've already got that. That's all past.
- [46:36]
Filippo
Good point. You think any have survived? Canada and New England.
- [46:39]
Kenan
Yeah.
- [46:40]
Filippo
It's like quite a combination.
- [46:41]
Doug DeMuro
No, there are none of these that have survived anywhere. Yeah. Okay. Lars Anderson. Filippo, thank you so much for promoting something. Love to hear that.
- [46:49]
Filippo
I did really well today too.
- [46:51]
Doug DeMuro
He's going to promote this on every pod for the next month. People. Get ready.
- [46:54]
Filippo
Get ready. Indeed. Honestly, actually, I have sad news. I'm not on many podcasts in the years next of couple months.
- [47:00]
Doug DeMuro
Because you're going to Italy.
- [47:01]
Filippo
I'm going to Italy.
- [47:01]
Doug DeMuro
But he's going to still promote the hell out of it, folks. Come to the Lars Anderson Museum just to put him out of his misery. Just to be like, Filippo, I did it.
- [47:08]
Filippo
Be clear.
- [47:09]
Kenan
Don't be.
- [47:11]
Doug DeMuro
Don't kill him. Yeah, yeah, Okay.
- [47:16]
Kenan
I hear he paints houses.
- [47:17]
Doug DeMuro
Tell us about the 355 revoluto.
- [47:19]
Kenan
Oh, yes. So recently we've talked about this car before now, the 355 revoluto has been. Man, it doesn't even.
- [47:28]
Filippo
Revolutionary war.
- [47:29]
Doug DeMuro
Oh, wow. 365 Revoluto. Yes.
- [47:32]
Kenan
Evoluto.
- [47:32]
Doug DeMuro
The 355 Evoluto.
- [47:34]
Kenan
Now, I have two things that. One.
- [47:36]
Doug DeMuro
What is it? Tell us what it is.
- [47:37]
Kenan
So this is a 355 restomod that was created by this. I believe it's an English company. Ian Callum redid the.
- [47:43]
Doug DeMuro
Ever since Singer happened, there have been all these companies that have popped up
- [47:49]
Kenan
to turn the word Singer into a verb, right? They've Singerized, blah, blah, blah, Singerized, da, da, da.
- [47:54]
Doug DeMuro
They've tried to make restomod new but old versions of of now. It's like dozens of different cars.
- [47:59]
Kenan
In fact, I have an entire list on my phone dedicated to Porsche because there's so many companies that do it pop up every day where they take some air, cooled 911, do some vague modifications to it, and charge $750,000 for it. And people pay it.
- [48:11]
Doug DeMuro
I will say the more of these that pop up, the more I realize how hard it is to do what Singer does.
- [48:16]
Kenan
Yes, yes. To do it well.
- [48:18]
Doug DeMuro
To do it well.
- [48:19]
Kenan
Because my criticism of this. Now I have a couple of things to say. One, the only one I had ever seen, I Saw it in person at car week was the blue one. Blue one one, which is the one they did as the press image. But then I went to Moda Miami this year and I saw the red one. And I wonder if they're not the same car.
- [48:33]
Filippo
Probably. I mean, okay.
- [48:34]
Doug DeMuro
But regardless of that problem with it, they're single rising a355 sounds like a perfect situation. That car, a lot of problems. You know what? Yes, you.
- [48:42]
Kenan
It did have a lot of problems. You're right. And they solved a couple of them.
- [48:47]
Doug DeMuro
They did great.
- [48:48]
Kenan
So they solved like they changed the wiring harness. I think the engine does come out more easily. But I asked the engineers, it's like, did you guys, you know the car.
- [48:55]
Doug DeMuro
The car is. No, the engine doesn't have to come out anymore.
- [48:58]
Kenan
That's the thing. So that's the thing. I asked the engineers, I said, so did you guys consider a chain drive system or something like that so you don't have to take the engine out? Because other than catching on fire, that is one of the big issues it's known for. And they're like, we looked into it now. It's just too expensive. But we redid the design. And I'm like, well, look, in my view now, I haven't driven one one in fairness, but in my view, there are two things that 355 has to do. Has to look good and has to sound good. And they screwed with the way it looks, and I think they did a poor job.
- [49:28]
Doug DeMuro
I actually like how it looks, but I think a regular 355 looks so good. I don't think they've improved it for sure.
- [49:35]
Kenan
No, they took the logo off of the hood, which is weird.
- [49:38]
Filippo
They don't want to get sued by
- [49:39]
Kenan
Ferrari, but they kept the Ferrari logo. Well, I'm sure Ferrari is still going to, if they haven't already.
- [49:43]
Doug DeMuro
I don't think it looks bad. I think it looks terrible, especially from the rear. I think it looks pretty cool. I think that adding the little strikes back there, like a. Like an F40 is pretty neat.
- [49:51]
Kenan
The step four, you mean?
- [49:54]
Doug DeMuro
Yeah. And like the rear lights, I think is cool. I don't think they've improved on the look of a 355, but I do think the key to rest to singerizing a355 is to I just change the stuff that was bad. Was bad.
- [50:07]
Ryan Lopez
Yeah.
- [50:07]
Kenan
And. And this.
- [50:08]
Doug DeMuro
And the style was not.
- [50:09]
Kenan
The style was one of the things that did better than anything else.
- [50:12]
Doug DeMuro
You want to singerize a 35? Well, you leave it Looking exactly like it is. You just make it reliable.
- [50:17]
Kenan
Yeah, well, because if it could be reliable, which is probably maybe they thought, you know, this. It can't be real.
- [50:21]
Filippo
I think that's exactly what they thought. They thought, we can't actually make this good. We're gonna.
- [50:25]
Doug DeMuro
No one.
- [50:26]
Kenan
So you have to provide them with a 355 and then they charge you. I think it's like half a million dollars to do this, which is a tough sell.
- [50:34]
Doug DeMuro
Yeah. Go to that interior photo.
- [50:36]
Kenan
The interior. So I learned.
- [50:38]
Doug DeMuro
So it looks okay.
- [50:39]
Kenan
So they. They put a spot in here for you to put your phone, which is kind of cool. But then there's no. Like, I can't zoom in because. Thanks, Google. But there's no. There's no wire. So it doesn't like charge or anything. It's just sitting there. So if your battery starts to go down as you're using your mouse, which famously consumes a lot of power, that's tough. So at least there's some Italian flair to it still. But the other thing is the gauges, you know, they famously, like, are showing 20 miles an hour. And like still does. That didn't change that. So it's like they still left some of the stuff. Like I just.
- [51:07]
Doug DeMuro
They just wrapped it all in nice looking because there's a lot of the point. You know, it's ironic because Singer is known for this, but I had an old Defender and there's a. I think that this all got started in the Land Rover.
- [51:18]
Filippo
I will agree with you.
- [51:19]
Doug DeMuro
Like all these companies that are trying to put lipstick on an old Defender and it never works. And there are these rich guys who can't handle a real old Defender who think that if they spend 300 grand, it'll make it good. And they quickly discover that, no, it's just a Defender with leather seats. It ain't. Still ain't good. And that's the situation.
- [51:37]
Filippo
Unless you put an LS1 in it, and then it's still mediocre, but at least reliable.
- [51:41]
Doug DeMuro
I think those cars still have problems, though. I think those guys still have issues. You got an aftermarket LS1, and let's deal with all this electronics. And it just. It's the same situ. So why is this coming up now?
- [51:50]
Kenan
So, because it really made the rounds with a lot of journalists the other week, and it has been everywhere. They clearly put a lot of effort behind this, like in. In marketing the car and things. And the Top Gear review, which I. I can't for the video of, it was amazing. Because they had a normal one next to it and looking at them beside it's like, like damn, that looks bad.
- [52:08]
Doug DeMuro
Did everybody say positive things?
- [52:10]
Kenan
Mostly yes, it seemed that way. I think Farah was the. I still haven't watched Ferris review on it. I need to. But my. He also had two cuz he could drive them back to back. The first guy on Top Gear when they did this, it's like he admitted he'd never driven one and then was driving this. And it's like okay, well then your input's not valuable.
- [52:24]
Doug DeMuro
One thing that's interesting about journalists driving cars like this is that like of course they like it. It gives them an opportunity to be something analog. A lot of these people have never spent time in analog cars. And so it's like oh my God, this is analog. It's so cool. Well, well that's how all cars were at one point.
- [52:36]
Kenan
Well that was the whole. I had. Cuz I had a long conversation with this engineer and our friends stood around as I just grilled this guy. Cuz I owned one of these cars and it's one of my favorite cars. And at the end he said, you know, we build this car to be an analog driving experience so you can go out and really enjoy and rev the engine and row through your own gears. And I said so like the original? He went exactly, yeah, you know, I think I would just get an original and service it really well and keep the other 700g. Yeah, exactly.
- [53:02]
Doug DeMuro
I don't disagree but I also just
- [53:04]
Kenan
don't think Ferraris are akin to the singerized thing. I think the Ferrari market is a lot more about preservation. Like that's what people value. I think in the end a lot of people look at this as just a modified 355 maybe.
- [53:13]
Doug DeMuro
I think that doing it well with the 550 would be cool because that's a soft car. And I think that if you could make that car kind of cool, I wouldn't mess with much on the exterior. I actually like the idea of LED tails in the circles. I think that does modernize it a
- [53:27]
Kenan
little bit too big. I. The whole point of the car is not you don't need a modern experience. If you improve the driving experience to make it feel more like a modern car.
- [53:36]
Doug DeMuro
That's what, that's what I would do with the 550.
- [53:37]
Kenan
I just wouldn't screw with the way it looks.
- [53:38]
Doug DeMuro
You know what I would do 550
- [53:40]
Kenan
with some new suspension, you know, that's
- [53:43]
Filippo
doable, that's all that's It.
- [53:44]
Kenan
That's. That's doable.
- [53:45]
Doug DeMuro
It's pretty doable, I think. Yeah, I just.
- [53:47]
Kenan
Yeah, I think we could. We could make that happen.
- [53:49]
Doug DeMuro
Okay. I want to move on to our next conversation, which is my Ford GT color swap. All right.
- [53:53]
Filippo
You texted about this, but I, I. Where's this company coming from?
- [53:57]
Doug DeMuro
Kenan, what do you think about this idea? So here's my. Here's my thought. Yeah. Ford gt. Pull up the wheel. The white one. Pull up that one. About four days ago, I saw a Ford GT on the street.
- [54:07]
Filippo
Yours.
- [54:08]
Doug DeMuro
No. Someone.
- [54:09]
Filippo
Some guy.
- [54:10]
Doug DeMuro
It was red.
- [54:11]
Filippo
Okay.
- [54:11]
Doug DeMuro
And it hit me that I still prefer the lighter colors.
- [54:15]
Filippo
Specifically, you prefer the white.
- [54:17]
Doug DeMuro
And personally, I have always. The career gt. I now firmly believe that silver is the best color for that car. And I have zero regrets. Regrets. The Countach, I think white, which a lot of people agree with. But this car, I've never fallen in love. The 993Arena red. This car, I've never fallen in love with. My dark blue.
- [54:35]
Filippo
Yours is blue with white stripes.
- [54:36]
Doug DeMuro
I just don't like a dark color. It hides the lines. And the lines are cool. And the dark blue with white stripes. Cars are now selling for like $100,000 premium over white.
- [54:46]
Filippo
Really? Why?
- [54:46]
Doug DeMuro
Yeah, because it's like the shell, like the old colors, like the Shelby colors, American car racing colors. The Viper gts, the Shelby Daytonas, the Shelby Cobra, you know, and to be
- [54:55]
Kenan
honest, it's the Jeremy Clarkson. It's the Jeremy Clarkson. It was on top, and it was
- [54:59]
Doug DeMuro
one of the press cars. There's a lot of that. There's a lot of that kind of hype, but I'm honestly and truly starting to wonder if I should sell my car for what I think is about a half million of 45,000 miles and buy a low mile white car for the same price. I honestly, I know it's not as prized by enthusiasts and collectors and all that. I joke just like it better. And at some point, isn't that the only thing that really Repainted.
- [55:22]
Filippo
Yeah, let me repaint the. The transaction cost will.
- [55:25]
Doug DeMuro
Transaction costs won't be even for sure.
- [55:27]
Kenan
No. But if you want to go, I
- [55:29]
Doug DeMuro
mean, either way, restart the clock at 10,000 miles. So I get to go. I mean, the car's been bullet. Bulletproof, reliable. I don't have to do anything to it, but it'd be nice to restart the clock, I guess go through those same 10 to 35,000 miles again or 45,000 miles.
- [55:42]
Kenan
This, like, you know, you live in your house for a Long time. And then you look at your neighbor's house and it's like, yeah, I always preferred their color. And then you. You swap houses with your. It just seems like an insane move
- [55:50]
Doug DeMuro
to get rid of it to get
- [55:52]
Kenan
the same car just in a different color.
- [55:53]
Doug DeMuro
I love the car. I still love the car. I still drive it the most. I just have never. I have had that car now for coming up on eight years and I have never loved the color ever.
- [56:05]
Filippo
Shocked ask you a question? I don't see you drive the Ford GT that often.
- [56:10]
Kenan
Claim to a lot. Well, actually, you know what? He sends a picture of him driving into tennis.
- [56:13]
Doug DeMuro
I also often drive it to places I wouldn't. So the reason that you don't see it in the office that much is because I can get away with bringing the career GC and the countach to the office.
- [56:21]
Filippo
It's a really pretty often. But yeah.
- [56:23]
Doug DeMuro
Well, if I'm going to pick up the kids or something, I'm 993. But the Ford GT, I'll drive like I drive the Ford GT. Yeah. To tennis at least two days a week. The grocery store, like, I'll do the
- [56:32]
Filippo
four, five miles a week.
- [56:34]
Kenan
Got it.
- [56:34]
Filippo
Okay.
- [56:34]
Kenan
You gotta have. It makes so much sense. You. You have to still have one. I understand what you're saying. Like, it is such a useful supercar.
- [56:43]
Doug DeMuro
I love the car. I do drive it the most from. From a mileage number. Like number of miles. I take it to Palm Springs when I'm filming a video out there. We drove it to. Well, that's, that's 400, 500 miles round trip. What you ever do?
- [56:54]
Filippo
Once a year?
- [56:54]
Doug DeMuro
Yes. Twice a year maybe that's. That's real. You know how 4GT owners are doing that?
- [57:00]
Filippo
No.
- [57:01]
Doug DeMuro
Zero.
- [57:01]
Filippo
But I, I guess I'm wondering whether you would just consider maybe it's time for a different experience. There is a comeback for white Ford GT later.
- [57:10]
Doug DeMuro
There is no other car at $500,000 that I. That I prefer. None. Not one.
- [57:13]
Kenan
It also like, just like we've had this discussion many times. But think about like, what experience would replace that in the garage? That would make sense. It's like there's nothing that is as I.
- [57:23]
Doug DeMuro
No other car.
- [57:23]
Filippo
Oh, I think it's patently insane to sell a car to get one at a different same car.
- [57:28]
Doug DeMuro
But there are some nice benefits to it. Resetting the mileage clock's a big deal. If I could sell it for 500 and buy another car for 500 and start again at 10,000 miles, that's a pretty cool trade.
- [57:36]
Kenan
But also. Yeah, but also it actively will. So your theory is that the values will continue to rise and as you put miles on, it won't matter? Is that the idea? Because I would think it would take a hit.
- [57:45]
Doug DeMuro
I'm not trying to be a jerk, but at this value level, yeah, I think they will continue to rise. But I'm not as obsessive about this car rising. Do you know what I'm saying? I don't think it'll ever be a $5 million car. And so going from 5 to 550 versus the other car going from 5 to 580. It's not right. I just.
- [58:02]
Kenan
If you bought one with 10,000 miles on it. I guess with 10,000 miles, you don't have to care as much. If it were like a four mile car, then you'd.
- [58:08]
Doug DeMuro
I would say. And actually, I can't make that trade. The white cars with really low miles sell for more. But I think a white car with 12,000. 10. 12,000 miles, I would still want no Macintosh. Honestly. I prefer the base wheels too.
- [58:19]
Kenan
I know you do. Was that the David Lee thing? And there was one with the BBS's and one with the base wheels next to one. I'm like, got it. I can't believe you'd ever like the base.
- [58:29]
Doug DeMuro
The concept car had the base wheels.
- [58:31]
Kenan
That's why.
- [58:31]
Doug DeMuro
And the base wheels look more like old school muscle car wheels. This car has the base wheels.
- [58:36]
Filippo
Yeah.
- [58:36]
Doug DeMuro
They just look more like old school muscle car wheels to me. They're more correct for the car. The Ford GT, which is kind of a brute car. Shouldn't have BBS's. It's just wrong, you know, mentally, it's just wrong.
- [58:47]
Kenan
Yeah, but that looks right.
- [58:48]
Doug DeMuro
It does.
- [58:50]
Kenan
There's a reason they were popular.
- [58:51]
Doug DeMuro
Yeah. And on the used market, base wheels sell for two grand a set and BBS's sell for $25,000.
- [58:59]
Kenan
The market speaks loudly on that one. Okay. But fair enough. I, I don't know. I. I do. I've come to appreciate your. For. I think you.
- [59:05]
Filippo
You've always. I love the 40.
- [59:06]
Doug DeMuro
You don't you think it'd be crazy to do this?
- [59:08]
Kenan
Yes, I think it's insane.
- [59:10]
Doug DeMuro
Why?
- [59:10]
Sponsor/Ad Voice
What about.
- [59:11]
Kenan
Couldn't you wrap the car and change the color?
- [59:13]
Doug DeMuro
Yeah, but. But I actually think that financially it may actually be cheaper to do what I'm talking about. And I, I would start the mileage clock over. Well, what's a. What's a new full color wrap? And I'd have To wrap this. The stripes.
- [59:23]
Filippo
Can I ask you a general question?
- [59:24]
Doug DeMuro
Do you think.
- [59:25]
Filippo
Do you think that it would feel like. I think for a lot of people, people. The experiences that you've had in the car, what makes it.
- [59:32]
Doug DeMuro
Oh yeah, I don't have any of that.
- [59:33]
Filippo
Okay.
- [59:33]
Kenan
I thought emotional, but that's one thing most car enthusiasts are emotional here.
- [59:39]
Filippo
Yeah.
- [59:39]
Kenan
So contrarian things, those wheels are better. You think that color combination is better. You also think that you're not sentimental about cars at all.
- [59:46]
Doug DeMuro
I think that the thinking that the color combo is better is actually that contrarian. I think that most people would agree that showing the lines is cooler. I think that the blue white is. Is. Is more valuable for two reasons. Number one, because of the historic American racing color thing and number two, because it' rarer. But I don't necessarily think that. I think a lot of people would agree with me. Showing off the lines is. Is cool. Red is the most popular color. There were a lot of people who wanted to show off the lines in red. And it's therefore the cheapest.
- [60:12]
Filippo
I do like the white with blue stripes. I. You would not be able to say that you've had it for eight years and that might.
- [60:18]
Doug DeMuro
GT for eight. I've had two Ford GTs.
- [60:20]
Filippo
Yeah.
- [60:20]
Doug DeMuro
Eight years.
- [60:21]
Filippo
I think it's insane because there's transaction. It's like moving down the block to like a slightly different house because you want a square foot larger yard.
- [60:30]
Doug DeMuro
That's what blow your mind here. Let's pretend there weren't any transaction costs. Let's just pretend there were none. Not that I'm advocating doing anything illicit.
- [60:39]
Filippo
Well, no, there's. There's still some transaction cost. There's time, there's maintenance you need to put in to get it up to your standards. There's some amount of time and energy and money even if it's not substantial.
- [60:48]
Doug DeMuro
There's real value in taking a 45,000 mile odometer though and bring it back to 10,000 miles miles.
- [60:53]
Filippo
Assuming the 10,000 mile car has been maintained the way you want to be.
- [60:56]
Doug DeMuro
But it has. These cars have all been maintained well.
- [60:58]
Kenan
Yeah.
- [60:58]
Filippo
Well, I mean if in general my approach is if it makes you happy, you should do that.
- [61:05]
Kenan
Don't see. I mean other than the car, the mileage thing I think is kind of a moot point. I don't see what benefit you personally gain from driving one with lower miles.
- [61:13]
Doug DeMuro
Oh, just that it restart. There's stuff that has worn and is wearing, the seats are wearing, etc. They get it all Back to the beginning.
- [61:19]
Ryan Lopez
Maybe.
- [61:20]
Kenan
Maybe having noodles sit in it without any car cover on has something to do with that.
- [61:24]
Doug DeMuro
But I think that there's generally stuff in the car that is worn, that is wearing that, that you start at clock on 10,000 mile car again, you come back with the billet A arms again, which I had to lose because my grommets wore off and things like that. Sure.
- [61:37]
Kenan
But you know, rubber components timeout over that period of time as well.
- [61:40]
Doug DeMuro
I don't have. I won't have Camilo's signature on and I can hunt him down again, I'm sure.
- [61:43]
Kenan
Well, if you park it anywhere near him.
- [61:46]
Doug DeMuro
I love Camilo.
- [61:48]
Filippo
I don't think it's. I mean, I think it's insane. But if it makes you happy, you
- [61:50]
Doug DeMuro
should have a white blue. And you want to trade for a
- [61:55]
Filippo
blue white with 3, 4 ext miles.
- [61:58]
Doug DeMuro
Send. Well, I think people would make this. I think if I did the whole thing, I could come out net zero. I think it would take me three months. Yeah, it would be a lot of work. I'd have to list mine. Sell it. I would probably want to buy a white one first to make sure that I actually had the white one before I sold the blue one. Because. Can't be Ford GT list.
- [62:15]
Filippo
Can't be for GT list.
- [62:16]
Sponsor/Ad Voice
You understand?
- [62:16]
Filippo
Obviously. Yeah.
- [62:17]
Kenan
Oh, we're both four GT list over here.
- [62:19]
Doug DeMuro
I think I should do this. Okay. S A ncars and bids dot com. If you got a white blue and you want to trade it for a blue white, let's have a conversation. My car is perfect. It's a. It's a two owner car. It's perfect. Always been in Southern California. Took one road trip to Utah.
- [62:35]
Filippo
I do think it would be sad to lose the color in your garage. All your cars are white or silver.
- [62:39]
Kenan
That's true.
- [62:39]
Filippo
Except for the 993.
- [62:40]
Doug DeMuro
I got a. I got a 993. And another one of my top car segments today. Oh my God.
- [62:45]
Filippo
Is it happening?
- [62:46]
Doug DeMuro
Yeah, I'm just going to say it.
- [62:47]
Filippo
You're going to roll with it.
- [62:48]
Doug DeMuro
We're finding some of the cars that I had announced I was looking for.
- [62:52]
Kenan
For.
- [62:52]
Doug DeMuro
We're finding some of the cars.
- [62:54]
Filippo
Some of them might also be silver. We don't know.
- [62:56]
Doug DeMuro
I've been looking for an E55 station wagon. A 2000 or 2001 E55 station wagon. Rami. My God. No, we got one.
- [63:07]
Filippo
Wow.
- [63:07]
Doug DeMuro
But it's a 99.
- [63:08]
Kenan
It's a shame you don't remember this.
- [63:09]
Filippo
It's A shame.
- [63:10]
Doug DeMuro
Rami. My automotive God, Inbound Motorsports. Rami, we have found one. We have purchased it.
- [63:16]
Filippo
Whoa.
- [63:16]
Doug DeMuro
It's in Holland. Whoa.
- [63:18]
Filippo
You purchase it? It happened.
- [63:19]
Doug DeMuro
You know it as the Netherlands.
- [63:20]
Filippo
I do, But I know it as a tunnel.
- [63:24]
Kenan
Oh, jeez. God.
- [63:26]
Doug DeMuro
That's a horrible joke.
- [63:27]
Filippo
Thank you.
- [63:28]
Doug DeMuro
We got one of these. This isn't it. Mine's. Mine's not a 99. I can't take these rocker panels.
- [63:35]
Filippo
This is such a questionable podcast this
- [63:38]
Doug DeMuro
week, and we're gonna install a third row because it doesn't have one. But we bought a third row.
- [63:43]
Filippo
Why? Wow.
- [63:43]
Doug DeMuro
That's coming in the mail.
- [63:47]
Filippo
And Nick Rochon can do it.
- [63:49]
Doug DeMuro
We found another one of the cars I was looking for. I don't think we should announce.
- [63:52]
Filippo
We should announce that one. Keep that one.
- [63:54]
Doug DeMuro
I found another one of the cars I was looking for. Now, unfortunately, I'm not going to be able to tell all you about these things until August because I'm personally not going to actually see the cars until then.
- [64:03]
Kenan
So we're going to see them before you do.
- [64:05]
Doug DeMuro
Absolutely. You will. And you can give me your thoughts.
- [64:08]
Kenan
Oh, I will.
- [64:09]
Doug DeMuro
Canada. Like any of my cars.
- [64:11]
Kenan
It's not true. The 55 is cool. I don't get it, but I don't know why you need it.
- [64:16]
Doug DeMuro
I need a third row, right?
- [64:17]
Kenan
Yeah, you don't have any.
- [64:19]
Doug DeMuro
I need a third row.
- [64:21]
Filippo
Are you legitimately not worried that ABS without the 4 GT, like, all too many of your cars will be white if the 4gt becomes white? Are you not worried that some of
- [64:29]
Doug DeMuro
the cars that I have purchased in this are not?
- [64:32]
Filippo
No, no. Obviously, either way. But it's still not. Not that much color.
- [64:36]
Doug DeMuro
I. Yeah, it's disappointing. It's disappointing. I don't like red on the four.
- [64:40]
Filippo
If only two of your eight cars have a color that's not white or silver, that's not enough.
- [64:45]
Doug DeMuro
I. That there is something to that.
- [64:47]
Filippo
So the 4 GT is helping you get to 3.
- [64:49]
Doug DeMuro
8. I agree. It's. It's nice.
- [64:50]
Kenan
It's going to be up. Well, up to me, to get a car.
- [64:52]
Doug DeMuro
You can't complain, though, about the Countach being white. That's not like one of those. Like, oh, we didn't get in a color.
- [64:57]
Kenan
Correct color.
- [64:58]
Doug DeMuro
Countach is white. White. That's like a. You know what I mean? Like, that's it. That's correct. That's like, how it's done.
- [65:04]
Filippo
And I am glad, in retrospect, that the Sequoia is white because I was next to a trd, a Black TRD Pro Sequoia. And the camo shows way more.
- [65:10]
Doug DeMuro
It does. By the way, it's ice cap. That's the color. Anyway, the point is we're finding some cars. Okay.
- [65:20]
Filippo
I'm excited for you.
- [65:21]
Doug DeMuro
And we're gonna do a 4 GT color.
- [65:24]
Filippo
You're gonna have three new vehicles. Maybe. Maybe more.
- [65:26]
Doug DeMuro
No, I'm not doing the 4 GT is my guess.
- [65:30]
Filippo
Yeah, actually, I think that's awesome.
- [65:33]
Doug DeMuro
But I do. I. I do sit in my garage and I look at it and I think, why, if I don't like the color of this car, do I not just it's worth way more. Why don't I just do the easy thing?
- [65:43]
Filippo
That's a reasonable point. You could make it the color that you want.
- [65:45]
Doug DeMuro
It's silly to. To not like the color.
- [65:49]
Filippo
I agree with you.
- [65:49]
Doug DeMuro
You don't. I don't.
- [65:50]
Kenan
I don't agree with that. I think that it is important to buy as someone who. Who didn't buy the car in the car that he wanted to. Yeah.
- [65:58]
Filippo
The 355 and your M5.
- [65:59]
Kenan
And my M5. That's two now. I. Yeah. Because I wanted. I wanted a Rosa Corsa when I bought this car. It looked like Rosa course in the picture. So I didn't even think to ask. It's such a common color.
- [66:08]
Doug DeMuro
Your point is that I should do it?
- [66:10]
Kenan
I. Well, I think you should have done it originally and just gotten the right color.
- [66:15]
Doug DeMuro
I made. That's definitely a mistake. The problem. The problem I had was I couldn't really afford a 4 GT when I bought it or I could barely. So I had to buy a high mileage car. And there are just. No, there aren't any. Yeah. And these days. And at the time there wasn't really a price Delta for the colors. The heritage Room worth more. But there. Otherwise, there wasn't really a price change for the colors. And over time, the blue has really risen and the yellow has fallen to the point where I can get away with this now It'd be like driving a new Ford GT again. A new old Ford gt.
- [66:44]
Filippo
I just feel so ambivalent about this for you.
- [66:46]
Doug DeMuro
Okay, fine, fine, fine. Then let's discuss the other big talk cars segment. Canon. Tell us about M5 costs.
- [66:55]
Kenan
Yes. So recently I put out a video on my car where I damaged it.
- [66:59]
Filippo
Yeah, we crashed into a parking brake.
- [67:01]
Kenan
I didn't crash into.
- [67:02]
Filippo
Sounds better.
- [67:03]
Kenan
Well, that's not what happened. I know you're a revisionist for history, but that's not what occurred here. And everybody's actually very nice. The car is repaired. I did that throughout the video. And actually I was very humbled. I was very grateful that so many people reached out. Thank you for all your sympathy. And a lot of people said I was stunned. The number people text me. It's like I've done that. I've been in the. However, immediately. Of course, that might. As you might recall, at the beginning of the year, I set out the goal of yet again not spending more than $2,000 on my M5. Well, this little incident.
- [67:30]
Doug DeMuro
But that does. This doesn't count.
- [67:32]
Kenan
Is it okay not to count that? Because I want to make sure with you guys and the rules.
- [67:36]
Doug DeMuro
Well, we have a different opinion about this. Okay.
- [67:39]
Kenan
Okay.
- [67:40]
Doug DeMuro
If it was me, I would have replaced the minimum number of things. If it was my E55 wagon. Wagon, I would have replaced just enough. Probably using zip ties.
- [67:49]
Filippo
Yeah. He would have taken the front end from an E320. Would have been cheaper.
- [67:53]
Doug DeMuro
So the question, I think is how far beyond what you had to do did you do? That's when it starts to count against.
- [67:59]
Filippo
I like that. Yeah, I like that.
- [68:00]
Kenan
Well, the bumper was split in the hat. We can agree that I need to replace.
- [68:02]
Doug DeMuro
Needed a bumper.
- [68:03]
Kenan
So that's $1,000 for that.
- [68:04]
Doug DeMuro
For just the bumper liners is a different conversation.
- [68:07]
Kenan
That's. Yeah, but that was the.
- [68:10]
Filippo
The.
- [68:10]
Doug DeMuro
I would argue from looking at the photos that the fender liners probably didn't get damaged.
- [68:15]
Kenan
Well, they all. The problem was where the metal on the two barbs on this thing. I pulled over where it caught it. It ripped three components at one time in addition to the bumper. So it ripped. It split the tabs off of the brake duct. It ripped the belly pan, which is. Was attached to that. And that also attaches to the fender line.
- [68:32]
Doug DeMuro
It ripped that off.
- [68:32]
Filippo
What could super glue have done for you?
- [68:34]
Doug DeMuro
Or zip ties.
- [68:35]
Filippo
Or zip ties.
- [68:36]
Kenan
Not much because it ripped off all the mounting points.
- [68:39]
Filippo
Let me rephrase.
- [68:40]
Doug DeMuro
What could zip ties have done for me or Filippo?
- [68:43]
Kenan
Ask not what you can do zip ties.
- [68:45]
Doug DeMuro
Like, if I was doing it. Keep in mind, I once zip tied a painted front bumper to a body of an Audi A4 that I had
- [68:51]
Filippo
One time I made throttle cable.
- [68:53]
Doug DeMuro
For years.
- [68:54]
Kenan
For years.
- [68:55]
Filippo
We use a key hook for a throttle cable.
- [68:57]
Doug DeMuro
We. One time my throttle cable snapped and we used a keychain.
- [69:00]
Filippo
Yeah.
- [69:01]
Doug DeMuro
We drove around for a while.
- [69:02]
Kenan
No, that makes sense. That was. That you needed to. That you're on that way.
- [69:06]
Filippo
I think Doug considered it.
- [69:08]
Kenan
No, he had fixed it properly in the End.
- [69:10]
Doug DeMuro
Well, in the end I only fixed it properly cuz the. I had like months where I wasn't with the car and it was at a mechanic and I was like, hey, why don't you just fix this? I would have driven on that keychain forever. Oh, but, but then do you remember what other. What also happened? We went to check on the. The keychain holding the throttle cable together stretched and we pulled the, the hood release and the hood release cable. That was Land Rover on our ship.
- [69:31]
Kenan
That's a, a check on it.
- [69:33]
Doug DeMuro
So, so then I had to tell the guy, why don't you fix both these things?
- [69:36]
Filippo
So what's the answer to how much of this was discretionary? We'll say he's going to say zero.
- [69:42]
Doug DeMuro
That was just stationary to him.
- [69:43]
Kenan
It had to be done probably 1700 of the total.
- [69:46]
Doug DeMuro
Okay, so you're at 1700 and then there's more maintenance necessary upcoming.
- [69:50]
Kenan
Yes. So I've driven the car a lot recently, which has been awesome. I mean it's been. I mean genuinely hasn't given me a single issue. However, I did start to notice there are like a couple little things that are starting to creep up. One is like, do we think we
- [70:00]
Doug DeMuro
need to address the little things? Let me rephrase it in a different way. Do we think we need to address the little things?
- [70:08]
Kenan
Well, one is a click coming from, from the front suspension which. So I, I think that should be addressed. The other. What was the other thing?
- [70:17]
Doug DeMuro
Oh my God.
- [70:20]
Kenan
Oh, the, the exhaust. There is. There's a crack that had formed around one of the welds near the kind of the, the catalytic converters and that has since spread around the world. So you can hear it when I'm like when I start the car, it's a lot louder than it once was.
- [70:34]
Doug DeMuro
I have.
- [70:35]
Kenan
It's.
- [70:36]
Doug DeMuro
Phil Chong has a exhaust shop welder guy who will take care of that.
- [70:40]
Kenan
I take no respect, no disrespectful. I take my E39 to one place
- [70:44]
Doug DeMuro
for service and that's source. I would argue this is part of the problem. No, with the cost.
- [70:50]
Filippo
Oh, we've gotten some.
- [70:51]
Kenan
But no, the. So that needs to be welded. Cuz I can smell it. Like when I like come up to a stop and I'm like, oh yeah. It's like, oh that's.
- [70:58]
Doug DeMuro
It's polluting our state.
- [70:59]
Filippo
Polluting our state.
- [71:00]
Kenan
Exactly. And I don't want to be a gross.
- [71:02]
Doug DeMuro
Okay, so those are like those two things.
- [71:03]
Kenan
Those are the two things. I don't think it's that bad, really? Other than that, it's like, I can't find anything else wrong with it.
- [71:08]
Doug DeMuro
That's great.
- [71:09]
Filippo
So you're at like, what, three grand mode?
- [71:11]
Kenan
Yeah.
- [71:11]
Filippo
You're only at 50 above your budget for the year. Five months in.
- [71:15]
Kenan
Yeah.
- [71:15]
Filippo
You're getting.
- [71:15]
Kenan
Well, I don't think it's that bad, but I do think those things should be.
- [71:18]
Filippo
No, it's not that bad.
- [71:19]
Doug DeMuro
It's not great. You're gonna end up another $10,000 a year here.
- [71:22]
Kenan
No, no, we're not gonna have another 10,000.
- [71:24]
Doug DeMuro
I would rather get a Viper and not have a $10,000 m5 year.
- [71:28]
Kenan
I don't think we're gonna have a $10,000 m 5 year.
- [71:30]
Doug DeMuro
Here's what you do. We do. You get this Subaru sandbar.
- [71:33]
Filippo
Yeah.
- [71:33]
Doug DeMuro
As a daily.
- [71:34]
Filippo
Yeah.
- [71:34]
Kenan
Right.
- [71:35]
Filippo
It has wood paneling, like our friend Kevin.
- [71:36]
Kenan
I daily in the sense that I would drive it once on a day, and that would be my daily. I think it's very cute, but this is. Might be a bit much for me.
- [71:44]
Doug DeMuro
Okay, well.
- [71:45]
Kenan
But somebody made the point recently that it's like, Kenan, I think you should get a. A Macan Turbo or this or that as a daily. It's like. I just. I still don't want to do that because I think that while I'm single and, like. And the youngest door.
- [71:57]
Filippo
Sedan. I agree.
- [71:58]
Kenan
Right. Well, exactly. That's exactly the point, though. My second car that I should buy should be. Because I am a little weary of using the M5. Like. Like. But I think that having the second car should be a sports car. I should own more sports cars. And I still want a Viper. And I've found one. But I'm. I'm pausing just a little bit, but I have found one that I think is, like, pausing.
- [72:18]
Doug DeMuro
Press play.
- [72:20]
Kenan
Nice. Well done.
- [72:20]
Doug DeMuro
What do you mean? Well, we all want you to get a Viper. The whole audience wants you to get a Viper. That countach rug wants you to get a Viper already.
- [72:28]
Filippo
It's talking.
- [72:29]
Doug DeMuro
I do.
- [72:29]
Kenan
I. I am going to get one. I just. You'll. You'll see. I am going to get one, though. I am hot on the trail of one.
- [72:35]
Filippo
So I see a note here about an Astromart Vanquish.
- [72:38]
Kenan
I have this head car. It's going to be after the Viper already.
- [72:40]
Doug DeMuro
What? The O2.
- [72:41]
Kenan
I will.
- [72:42]
Doug DeMuro
You told me they're horrible to own.
- [72:44]
Kenan
Yeah, well, I like cars that are bad job.
- [72:45]
Doug DeMuro
Yeah, but that car is probably. Dude, I'll tell you something. I drove this one. This one. It was so impressive. Amazing.
- [72:51]
Kenan
Yeah. They are unbelievable to drive that engine. That sonorous V12 sound that it makes is so good.
- [72:58]
Doug DeMuro
Did you enjoy driving it, Ryan Lopez? Which one?
- [73:01]
Filippo
No.
- [73:01]
Kenan
I mean, it's a car. He wasn't. He wasn't alive. He wasn't alive when this thing was made.
- [73:06]
Filippo
No.
- [73:06]
Doug DeMuro
He took those photos, though.
- [73:08]
Kenan
He did. He did.
- [73:08]
Doug DeMuro
You liked it. What about the Trans? Made it quirky. Would you get us. Would you swap it?
- [73:13]
Kenan
Well, that's the thing. It's like I'm. Would I want an S? To be clear, I think that. Because the. I like the S a lot more.
- [73:19]
Doug DeMuro
Yeah. It just screwed up the wheels.
- [73:20]
Kenan
It was a big jump in power, though.
- [73:22]
Doug DeMuro
It was a big power jump. It screwed up the wheels.
- [73:24]
Kenan
Well, I think if you're going to do it, own the one you want. And I want an S. And I, I, I don't think the wheels are.
- [73:30]
Filippo
Own the white one.
- [73:31]
Doug DeMuro
Put a base wheel on.
- [73:32]
Kenan
Yeah, put a base wheel.
- [73:33]
Doug DeMuro
Those. They just did, like, DB9 wheels. Go back to the. To me, the original Vanquish wheels meant business.
- [73:38]
Kenan
I don't think they're that different.
- [73:41]
Doug DeMuro
You know, I just read this thing. I don't know where I read it. My friend Perry sent to me. Pierce Brosnan got one of these after Die Another Day. He was given one.
- [73:49]
Kenan
Yes. He.
- [73:50]
Doug DeMuro
He. And then he lost it in a garage fire.
- [73:52]
Kenan
Correct. But he was. They was able to dig out the kick plates or. And it said it was made, you know, for Pierce Brosnan. So you're taking that and at the end of the video, he goes. And that's life. Yeah, this would be cool, but I. I think this is the next 3540 is. I just think Astons are such an incredible.
- [74:11]
Doug DeMuro
This is the Aston.
- [74:12]
Kenan
Yeah, this is the one. Because it's like this competed with the 575. And I love both cars, but honestly,
- [74:17]
Doug DeMuro
I prefer driving this for a third. Even Filippo would like this car.
- [74:20]
Filippo
I don't. I've never loved how the Vanquish.
- [74:23]
Doug DeMuro
He doesn't even like this.
- [74:24]
Kenan
He doesn't.
- [74:24]
Filippo
Sorry.
- [74:25]
Kenan
I wish you liked something, Filippo, other than your 911, which I'm glad you like.
- [74:28]
Doug DeMuro
I got to tell you guys a story about. I got two stories for you, actually. One is about Freddy.
- [74:32]
Filippo
Oh, Freddy Tavares.
- [74:33]
Doug DeMuro
Freddy Tavares. We had Hoovy on Pod last week. God love Hoovy.
- [74:37]
Filippo
Love Hoo.
- [74:37]
Doug DeMuro
We haven't recorded that pod yet. I hope it all works. May not have been on.
- [74:41]
Kenan
It's going to be Hoovy and Nick
- [74:43]
Filippo
it's going to be something I'm going to have to.
- [74:44]
Doug DeMuro
I'm going to be the sane one.
- [74:45]
Kenan
It's going to be something to watch. Oh, it was something to watch.
- [74:48]
Doug DeMuro
I don't know, I'm just gonna have to moderate it.
- [74:51]
Kenan
Jeez.
- [74:51]
Doug DeMuro
But so anyway, so Hoovy's on the pod, Hoovy's been out here, Hoovie's hangs out with us. And I get a text yesterday from Freddy Tavaresh, who I'm not gonna say. He's a chaotic person. I'll let you make that determination.
- [75:05]
Filippo
Yeah.
- [75:06]
Doug DeMuro
He sends me a text and he says, hey. He says, I'm on a plane to San Diego. You around? And I'm like, freddy, there was a time when I was 19 where my life worked that way. You could just send me a text and be like, yo, I'm coming. What's hang? But like, I got kids. I do a lot of kids stuff. The school we got, we got a lot of videos, scheduling to keep here. We got a lot of crew. There's no like, hey man, let's chill. And I was like, that's not really how it works here. I'm so sorry. I would love to hang, but I just don't have time. I may be a little bit more notice. Cuz I assume he didn't just get on the plane, right? I assume he had booked the flights some amount of time.
- [75:49]
Filippo
That's an assumption I would not make if anybody shows up to the airport and buys a ticket from the gate agent.
- [75:54]
Doug DeMuro
So I said, fred, Freddie, I'm so sorry we're missing you. I would love to have you on pot. I said, next time give me more notice. And Freddy goes, how much more notice would you need? Like, he's incredulous that I, that I can't make this happen for him. And I said, freddy, more notice. Then I'm on the plane. And he replies, but measured in days, what number would that be?
- [76:15]
Filippo
What is your reply?
- [76:16]
Doug DeMuro
I said, like, give me at least a week. I don't know. Like, that's what people do. Like, if I'm going to see somebody, I don't just call them and say, hey, I'm on the plane. I hope you can accommodate McGor. I'm coming to see you in New York. Are you there? You. You text beforehand. Have you ever, in any moment since you became an adult, had a situation where you were flying on an airplane to visit someone and you hadn't yet informed them purpose was come to just
- [76:39]
Kenan
here to visit you?
- [76:40]
Doug DeMuro
No, that's of course that's true. It was not his whole purpose. I'm sure he has some things to do. I'm sure he has cruises to go on. But that's Freddy Tavares. That's my Tavares. And people who are wondering why we have Hoovy on the pod and not Freddy Hoovie schedule schedules us. It's still very difficult. Okay. He won't text Sean back. He won't reply to our emails. I gotta text him. It's a disaster. But we kind of narrow it. We get it to. And on the day of the podcast, we just sort of roll the dice and hope he walks in at the right time. But Freddie, it's not even that. We can't even get that. That's.
- [77:13]
Filippo
Don't you think that he might be in last week's podcast just Freddy show up.
- [77:17]
Doug DeMuro
Freddie might walk into the Hooby pod. I have no idea.
- [77:22]
Kenan
It's like a beginning of a bad joke. Freddy Hooby and Nick.
- [77:25]
Doug DeMuro
Freddy Hooby and Nick walk into a podcast. Our market report is brought to you
- [77:29]
Filippo
by Ry Lopez, which is to say
- [77:32]
Kenan
we're going to talk about something completely different.
- [77:34]
Doug DeMuro
So I want to talk F90M5. Pull up that. That is tremendously interesting.
- [77:39]
Kenan
Yeah. So we recently sold an F90 M5 for $29,250. I will say it did have a lot of miles on it and had an accident in its past in modifications. But in my view, this is the floor.
- [77:50]
Doug DeMuro
Non.
- [77:50]
Kenan
Because this is not an old car. In my. I mean, it's eight years old.
- [77:53]
Doug DeMuro
That's the, that's the, that's the example with high mileage on an accident. That's going to hit the floor.
- [77:57]
Kenan
Yeah, hit the floor.
- [77:58]
Doug DeMuro
But dude, I remember reviewing this when it was a new car at Crevier BMW in Orange County. As a brand new with a 140 sticker, it was the coolest thing anybody could imagine. The new M5 is here. It was all wheel drive. It was this amazing. You could disconnect the all wheel drive. Remember that? You could rear wheel drive, 600 horsepower. I can't believe no car I think has made my career feel long to me quite like this. It's like, oh my God. I've been around long enough to have reviewed and now seen the depreciation on this dude.
- [78:27]
Kenan
I know. I mean, I'd say, I mean C cars from 2015, that was a long time ago. Yeah, it's, you know, we're getting old, man. But I think, unbelievable, these cars are worth.
- [78:38]
Filippo
Unbelievable crazy.
- [78:39]
Doug DeMuro
Especially when you consider it's. What was. It was 600 some crazy.
- [78:43]
Filippo
600 horsepower.
- [78:44]
Kenan
Yeah. 600 horsepower. Yep.
- [78:45]
Doug DeMuro
Just an unbelievable, unbelievably fast 550 pound
- [78:48]
Filippo
full of cars that sold for more in the same day. Yeah. A 2015 automatic Chevy SS.
- [78:54]
Kenan
Oh, an auto Chevy.
- [78:55]
Filippo
An auto Chevy SS was a 2050. Four grand more.
- [78:59]
Doug DeMuro
A 2015. So four years older for 12, 13 and a tip. And it's selling for. I mean that tells you how the market. How afraid of these cars the market is and maybe.
- [79:10]
Kenan
Maybe rightfully so. I don't really know. I don't know much about a science.
- [79:13]
Doug DeMuro
This car.
- [79:14]
Kenan
I know it's a monster, a beast.
- [79:17]
Doug DeMuro
People are gonna write it. Doug's hype in the market because they're unreliable. Probably they are unreliable liable. I don't know. It's $29,000 though. To me. When I see one of these on the road, I'm still like, wow, new M5. It's not even the new M5 anymore.
- [79:28]
Filippo
There's a newer than your M5.
- [79:30]
Doug DeMuro
I think that's an amazing find.
- [79:31]
Kenan
I think it's an incredible value.
- [79:32]
Doug DeMuro
I really do you buy one?
- [79:34]
Filippo
No, you.
- [79:36]
Doug DeMuro
You just had a tip you got.
- [79:37]
Kenan
I did. And I guess what I did, I sold it.
- [79:39]
Doug DeMuro
You've had more tips this year than I have.
- [79:42]
Filippo
You own three.
- [79:44]
Kenan
Three. I. I don't know who you is.
- [79:45]
Doug DeMuro
I don't own any tips.
- [79:47]
Filippo
What tips I got. Well, you're about to fourth.
- [79:50]
Doug DeMuro
What? What? Don't reveal anything.
- [79:53]
Kenan
Mercedes Benz.
- [79:54]
Doug DeMuro
Great.
- [79:54]
Kenan
Traditional Mercedes Benz. But unless you're going to manual swap it like crazy, Nick.
- [79:57]
Doug DeMuro
But I'm not.
- [79:58]
Kenan
No, I didn't think you would. But yeah. Unbelievable value here.
- [80:01]
Doug DeMuro
I just.
- [80:02]
Kenan
So cool.
- [80:02]
Filippo
But we.
- [80:03]
Doug DeMuro
You think about one?
- [80:04]
Filippo
Oh, absolutely not.
- [80:04]
Kenan
But it is not five, guy.
- [80:07]
Doug DeMuro
A lot of the.
- [80:08]
Filippo
The cars in the genre are quite substantial deals. High power sedans, sedans and coupes, luxury sedans, the cubes that are just pull up that M850. Yeah, the MA50 we sold.
- [80:18]
Doug DeMuro
Sean's out here looking for a M2. By the way, if you have a Long Beach Blue M2 with some miles, maybe it's been hit. Maybe it's got some bad wheels on it. No cats.
- [80:30]
Filippo
Yeah.
- [80:30]
Doug DeMuro
Sean@carsandbids.coms a n carsandbids.com that's what he's looking for. He doesn't know it yet, but what he wants to pay, that's what he's looking for. You agree, right? Yeah, yeah, of course.
- [80:39]
Kenan
He's stunk to end up with. I want to know what he ends up with.
- [80:41]
Doug DeMuro
Well, Felicia just made the point that for the same Money as an M2, you could have this.
- [80:47]
Filippo
Which surely has a hundred something thousand dollars msrp.
- [80:50]
Doug DeMuro
Totally. And it's not the athletic, it's not the athlete that the M2 is. But Sean's an appearance guy. He would like to ride around in this. Everybody thinks he's rich.
- [80:58]
Kenan
Looks like a Mustang and it has everything. Side profile.
- [81:01]
Doug DeMuro
Looks like a luxury Mustang. That was the best thing about it.
- [81:03]
Kenan
Yeah.
- [81:03]
Filippo
Has everything. You can also if you want to be in the same price point. We sold an S63.
- [81:07]
Doug DeMuro
What's the horsepower on this max? 850.
- [81:10]
Kenan
Serious? I believe 523. 550.
- [81:12]
Doug DeMuro
I'm not trying to be. I'm not trying to make it seem like I'm hyping these cars and I want to kill everybody's financial situation. But how unreliable can it be at 6 years old?
- [81:20]
Kenan
Seriously, BMW, just say hold my.
- [81:22]
Doug DeMuro
I know, I know you're right. But like really, it's six years old.
- [81:25]
Kenan
How many miles? 56. 56,000 miles. You got it.
- [81:28]
Doug DeMuro
How bad can that car be? Truthfully? Are we talking major engine trouble at 6 years and 56,000 miles?
- [81:34]
Kenan
I have a hard time if it hasn't been tuned. Like. I wouldn't think so. So I, I'd like to think. I'd like to think a manufacturer that's been around for over 100 years can make an engine with all their experience.
- [81:45]
Doug DeMuro
This isn't like a high performance. You probably was driven pretty relaxed, you know.
- [81:50]
Kenan
Right. Cuz it's a. It's The N. The M60.
- [81:54]
Filippo
Yeah.
- [81:55]
Doug DeMuro
It, it's. This is an M850. It's not like an M. It's not like an ultra high performance car like that M2 that Sean wants has been beat on, you know.
- [82:01]
Filippo
Yep.
- [82:02]
Doug DeMuro
Yeah. This car probably has been sort of chilled in.
- [82:05]
Kenan
Yeah, I'd like to think so. Occasional hard accelerations.
- [82:08]
Filippo
Can I posit one more for Sean? Look up C43. That's not.
- [82:13]
Doug DeMuro
Sean has no interest in that.
- [82:16]
Kenan
Why would you?
- [82:16]
Filippo
$23,000.
- [82:18]
Kenan
Of course it has to tell you
- [82:19]
Doug DeMuro
the difference between you and Shawn.
- [82:20]
Filippo
It's a four second zero to 60.
- [82:21]
Doug DeMuro
I'm going to tell you the difference between you and Sean.
- [82:23]
Filippo
380 horsepower.
- [82:24]
Doug DeMuro
You're a deal shopper. You will change the entire thing you want to buy if it just means you can get a good deal. Yes.
- [82:31]
Filippo
But Sean. Sean is an alert right now. He needs a car and he sends some wild to me.
- [82:38]
Doug DeMuro
I'll tell you what's happened. Sean's selling his bad color G wagon. Yeah. And so because he's taken all the photos and taken the cleaned it up and done all that, he can't drive it anymore. He's. Because if he crashes it at this point it's a problem.
- [82:49]
Filippo
Yeah.
- [82:50]
Doug DeMuro
So his bad color G wagon is sitting in her office and Sean has now realized he's left with a360 and an old Alpha. And he's like oh my God, I need a car.
- [82:57]
Kenan
Is that why he showed me the Lexus LS430 or the SC443?
- [83:02]
Doug DeMuro
He's borrowed from his parents. He's borrowed a Lexus SC430.
- [83:05]
Kenan
The man owns a Ferrari, a vintage Alfa, ran a G Wagon. He had to borrow a Lexus from his parents.
- [83:10]
Doug DeMuro
That's what's happened. It's a tough.
- [83:12]
Kenan
That is motivation.
- [83:12]
Doug DeMuro
That's why he's lowballing people on Facebook, marketplace left and right with reckless abandon. He told us he insisted on a four seat car. He sent us a screenshot. He lowball the guy on it with a C7.
- [83:24]
Filippo
He's no longer. He's like medium balling now because he's getting desperate.
- [83:28]
Doug DeMuro
The longer he drives that SC430 the desperateer he'll get. I want to talk about the F12. Pull that F12.
- [83:35]
Kenan
Let's talk about unbelievable result. I think truly agreed. So yeah. So 2014 so first year production F12 Baronetta.
- [83:43]
Doug DeMuro
Ryan Lopez is eating.
- [83:46]
Kenan
I'm glad we're here for Ryan Lopez's entertainment.
- [83:48]
Doug DeMuro
I look over, he's just crunching.
- [83:50]
Kenan
Well senior, just of kind to hear as he opens, he opens a cold one.
- [83:53]
Doug DeMuro
What's the problem? I don't understand. I went upstairs, the guy wasn't there the next day.
- [84:02]
Kenan
But yeah, back to Ferraris. So. So yeah so this, this 14F12 so et bro. Fantastic car. They've been coming up in value recently because I think the new fars are so damn expensive.
- [84:13]
Doug DeMuro
Do you worry that we missed the miss the boat here?
- [84:16]
Kenan
I worry more about 59 nines but
- [84:18]
Doug DeMuro
yes but, but this car is built better.
- [84:20]
Kenan
It is but it's, it's the dual clutches like I would still prefer manual conversion. I would prefer version for sure. But the thing with this car, so it sold for $311,000 with 16,000 miles on and a vinyl wrap which I was surprised cuz normally that brings quite a bit less usually unless you have like pictures before and all that stuff I was.
- [84:41]
Doug DeMuro
I was.
- [84:42]
Kenan
But I think this number is strong.
- [84:44]
Filippo
The most recent comps I was looking at earlier are in the 230 to 250 range.
- [84:49]
Kenan
I just. I really think that it is because the new Dodec Lindri. Sorry.
- [84:53]
Doug DeMuro
Beautiful car is.
- [84:54]
Kenan
But it is expensive. It's so really expensive. The 812 also was very expensive. And they still. I think a lot of people who even like people have been Ferrari customers for years can't justify spending what, 600, $700,000 on a car after you've optioned it.
- [85:10]
Doug DeMuro
Especially because this car offers basically the same performance level, if we're being honest. I know the Dodeci Chalindra rate is. Is faster but like not usably.
- [85:19]
Kenan
We're still talking 730 horsepower.
- [85:22]
Doug DeMuro
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
- [85:22]
Kenan
I mean it's a lot of power
- [85:24]
Doug DeMuro
and you know clutch and these are relatively reliable. The interior looks fairly modern. I mean I don't know.
- [85:31]
Kenan
I think it's a tremendous 12 like
- [85:32]
Filippo
for 300 something in Ferrari world you get what 296. If you want newer like that's.
- [85:38]
Doug DeMuro
You could I guess probably get a 296.
- [85:40]
Filippo
The last 296 we had was. Was failed to be reserved. But was market correct around 350.
- [85:45]
Doug DeMuro
Yeah. 345. You 311 is. I don't know if 96 is quite there but in that range.
- [85:49]
Kenan
But this.
- [85:50]
Filippo
I would rather have a V12.
- [85:51]
Kenan
Of course it's a V12. Yeah.
- [85:52]
Filippo
Yeah.
- [85:52]
Kenan
This is a secret.
- [85:53]
Doug DeMuro
Most people wouldn't to be clear. I mean the V12s usually get depreciated like crazy as most people go after the mid engines.
- [85:58]
Filippo
But now at this point.
- [85:59]
Doug DeMuro
This thing is so cool. Yeah.
- [86:01]
Kenan
It it for. I mean it's still a lot of
- [86:03]
Doug DeMuro
money messed up here and not bought F12s and they were merely 200. I thought we would be able to sit and just watch the values continue to fall.
- [86:10]
Kenan
Not the case, it seems.
- [86:11]
Doug DeMuro
Apparently not. Maybe not. Maybe one car is not an outlier but. Or is not a market. But I do watch other Ferraris in the world including the Scud and I. Sean Stain finally gave it to him.
- [86:24]
Filippo
I know you did.
- [86:25]
Doug DeMuro
Including the scoot and I watch these values and I'm like wow, you see that MC12 sold for $10 million.
- [86:32]
Kenan
Yeah. I. Maybe we've just missed it all together.
- [86:36]
Doug DeMuro
The Ferrari. I mean obviously an MC12 and an F12 isn't but like there seems to be a renewed interest in cars as an investment class as a. As a Blue chip collectible.
- [86:47]
Filippo
Every hyper supercar seems like it's really hot right now. Especially not the newest, a generation old when it was still a little bit more analog than it is now.
- [86:55]
Kenan
Which car enthusiasts, admittedly I do start to kind of roll my eyes and be like, God, everything's just getting so expensive and like feel priced. Out of many cars I hoped to own one day, Challenger Dolly is my favorite example. I really wanted to own one of those. And now at, you know, 700,000, $800,000, that's not, not realistically not going to happen.
- [87:15]
Doug DeMuro
Yep.
- [87:16]
Kenan
Or even if I wouldn't spend that kind of that experience. Get Sean's frog. Have most of the same experience.
- [87:22]
Doug DeMuro
And a.
- [87:22]
Kenan
Or yeah, and a kash.
- [87:24]
Filippo
Yeah, and a kash. That's true. Can we Talk about the 430 scoot people? Pull it up because it's still going to be live when this podcast goes.
- [87:29]
Doug DeMuro
430. 30 scooed. We got a 430 screwed up right now. Very interested in this, Sean.
- [87:34]
Kenan
Vehicles.
- [87:34]
Filippo
Yeah.
- [87:35]
Doug DeMuro
But yeah, 430, man.
- [87:41]
Kenan
What are we doing?
- [87:43]
Doug DeMuro
John's got a 430 Spider. It's got an acre of burl walnut in the dash. Slightly different. Yeah.
- [87:49]
Kenan
It doesn't have sticky plastics. It's got old wood.
- [87:52]
Doug DeMuro
You know, the SC430 and the F430 have the same size back seat.
- [87:56]
Kenan
That's pull up.
- [87:57]
Doug DeMuro
Pull up an SC430. You will never see a smaller pull up that car.
- [88:02]
Kenan
It is tiny.
- [88:03]
Doug DeMuro
Look at this. This is with the seats folded forward.
- [88:06]
Filippo
Spacious.
- [88:07]
Kenan
Give me a break. Keep going.
- [88:08]
Doug DeMuro
Look at that.
- [88:09]
Kenan
That does. You're right. That does seem special. You're the size of an ant.
- [88:12]
Filippo
That is a cavern.
- [88:13]
Doug DeMuro
I could not get my children back there. And my children are as small as possible for front facing. Literally impossible car to drive.
- [88:20]
Kenan
Right. Even if you wanted one, which you don't. Yeah.
- [88:22]
Doug DeMuro
You look at all that wood. Sean is experiencing this right now as we speak.
- [88:26]
Kenan
You remember driving those. Like the steering wheel felt like it was just like, like steering through.
- [88:31]
Doug DeMuro
Yeah. And the car is so puffy and cloud like and there's so much wood. Go to the interior. The amount of this light wood, it's just an unbelievable.
- [88:40]
Filippo
It looks nice.
- [88:40]
Doug DeMuro
I think it looks perfect for the clientele. And never forget, as much as the tuner kids, the Ryan Lopez's over here are like, oh, the SC 300 with the two JZ. The FC 430s are worth more. Boom.
- [88:52]
Kenan
V8, baby.
- [88:53]
Doug DeMuro
Anywho, the 430 skewed is expensive.
- [88:59]
Filippo
But what's going to be interesting is we don't know how expensive because there has not been a public regular result.
- [89:03]
Doug DeMuro
There hasn't been a public result in almost a year.
- [89:06]
Filippo
Bidding right now, two weeks ago is about where the last public result was.
- [89:09]
Doug DeMuro
That's right. That's right.
- [89:10]
Kenan
That tells you it's on its way.
- [89:12]
Doug DeMuro
Well, we'll see. I don't know. I'm very curious myself. I drove this car. It was an unbelievable. This car is absolutely incredible to drive. It is incredible to use. It is so much more aggressive than a regular F430. Steering, precision exhaust note speed. It is so immediate, so raw in a way that honestly I think none of the other sporty mid engine cars are not the cs, not the speciale, none of them. This is the most mechanical and the most raw of all of those cars. And we'll see where it ends up up.
- [89:43]
Kenan
I felt the Stell is still pretty raw.
- [89:45]
Doug DeMuro
The Cs.
- [89:45]
Kenan
Yeah.
- [89:46]
Doug DeMuro
I'm not a CS guy.
- [89:47]
Kenan
I know you hate that car.
- [89:48]
Doug DeMuro
I don't hate it. I just think it's crazy what people spend. This car is better than the C's in literally every single way.
- [89:54]
Kenan
But they produced much.
- [89:56]
Doug DeMuro
Not even that many. 1700 of these versus 1288 CS. CS isn't even that much rarer. It's just a frog. You know what I'm saying?
- [90:02]
Kenan
I like the frog.
- [90:03]
Doug DeMuro
This car is cool.
- [90:04]
Kenan
It. It is cool. I. I am. I'm glad I've been telling people for years about them. I also told people for years to buy 4, 5, 8 Spetchelli coupes because I knew that they were going to go up in value. And I was right there too. But I think that it is so curious to see where it ends up. Yeah.
- [90:20]
Doug DeMuro
All the good Ferraris are. Are definitely not quite as low as they once were. Even the.
- [90:26]
Kenan
Again. Even my. My beloved F355 this spider 25,000 miles
- [90:30]
Doug DeMuro
on drive it make. Because there was a time when we were kids where like a ratty 308, 348, 350 they were all pretty much available for 30 to 60 grand. Like ratty ones. Even kind of average ones.
- [90:43]
Kenan
3 or 8 GTSIs the 2 valves still not that. Yeah.
- [90:47]
Doug DeMuro
But like it does make me want. I always thought that that would just happen to the other Ferraris adventure. The 360 and 430s. But what has happened instead is there seems to be this tide that has risen that has. That has literally lifted all of the Ferraris as the really crazy ones have gone up. So too have all the other ones. And it's like maybe the days of a ratty 60k Ferrari is just never going to happen again.
- [91:05]
Kenan
So I have been thinking about this a lot since January when all those cars sold, the Bachmann collection because you know, the big Ferraris, the supercars all went up in Vice and then people bought the limited edition V12s those went up, are buying the stripped out, you know, limited edition is V8S. So what's next? It's like, I think, I mean, yes, all values have risen. I think the manual ones will catch fire yet again.
- [91:25]
Doug DeMuro
Yeah, I mean I think that factory manual, what's next? Is anything next that's rare, the factory manuals, the.
- [91:31]
Kenan
But then after that you end up with the normal production stuff and yes, that goes. I just, I wonder, do you think that people are. I'm not just saying this one because I have one live right now, but do you think that people are going to start to look at the lightweight Lamborghinis or like different Lambo?
- [91:44]
Doug DeMuro
You know what I have, my garage is full of cars that don't say Ferrari on them. And I don't, I don't, I've never, I've not bought my cars to invest. I'm cool with it. But I have watched in a little bit of annoyance as the Ferrari brand name continues to be the defining characteristic of what seems to attract, attract buyers to a lot of these cars where Lamborghini, the Countach is cooler than any Ferrari that has ever been made. Except maybe the F40, F50. Cooler, I don't know. But regardless, like the Countach is incredibly cool.
- [92:17]
Kenan
I'll tell you about in pop culture.
- [92:18]
Doug DeMuro
Maybe if the Countach was a Ferrari, It'd be a $10 million car. It's a Lambo, it's five homie. And I think that that is just sort of a reality. That is the truth. And it is. I wished it would change. Changed. And the Porsches have changed a little bit. But the Ferraris just seem to be the thing that commands the money. And I will also say one other thing. As Ferrari becomes a brand that makes more and more and more and more cars, regular production 599 is a rare car. Regular production 550 with 3,000 units. 3,000 units is an afternoon of Purosangways
- [92:50]
Kenan
rare than a 300 SL.
- [92:52]
Doug DeMuro
But like, you know what I mean.
- [92:54]
Kenan
Yeah, I, I do know what you mean.
- [92:57]
Doug DeMuro
Like a regular production modern Ferrari is a rare car by standards of today's Ferrari. And so there hasn't really been a market equivalent of this. To see how these cars are going to fare in the used market. I wouldn't be surprised if one day all those cars are really expensive. Just like back in the day, a 250PF was a normal car that was a regular production Ferrari. And now it's an expensive. Or at some point it was an expensive car.
- [93:19]
Kenan
That's still not Ferrari.
- [93:21]
Doug DeMuro
You get my point?
- [93:22]
Kenan
I get.
- [93:23]
Doug DeMuro
I think the regular production cars of our youth will become incredibly valuable. As Ferrari becomes more commercialized, higher production, more sanitized electric vehicles designed by the apple guy. Like a599 suddenly becomes a pretty attractive proposition if you want to get into the old stuff.
- [93:39]
Kenan
I have to have a ViperMax. But do you think I just get a Ferrari after?
- [93:42]
Doug DeMuro
Get a Ferrari, get a 599.
- [93:43]
Kenan
Dude, I do want a 599.
- [93:44]
Doug DeMuro
Get a tip 599 and spend a lot of money every time it breaks.
- [93:47]
Filippo
Yep.
- [93:48]
Kenan
We can't see it. I can't look at those cars.
- [93:50]
Filippo
I do wonder about Lambo. Like a gayer Super Legera.
- [93:53]
Kenan
That's the one that in my mind I think it has to.
- [93:55]
Filippo
At least I don't.
- [93:56]
Doug DeMuro
I completely disagree.
- [93:57]
Filippo
I'm not saying fly through the moon,
- [93:59]
Doug DeMuro
but I think that I've. I've been sitting here waiting for Lambos to pop for so long and they never have. Amura at 3 million is like the all time ceiling for any Lamborghini ever. And that's only 3 million. And it's the father of the supercar. Like it was the first supercar ever. It was gandin first real design. It was the first mid engine production. And it's like. And the Countach invented the wedge shape, the first car with scissor doors. And both of those cars languish at Miura's at 2 million. Countach is at 600 and they're buyable there all day long.
- [94:31]
Kenan
That's true. But the appreciation on the Countach because Ferrer bought his the same time you bought your Ford GT.
- [94:35]
Doug DeMuro
Still it's a 600 car. Whereas an Enzo is a 10 million car. Enzo's were 603.
- [94:44]
Kenan
Well, for. Yeah, for an afternoon. They're 1.2 immediately.
- [94:47]
Doug DeMuro
All right, I want to move on to the questions. The questions of course are sponsored by.
- [94:52]
Filippo
Can I suggest a sponsor?
- [94:53]
Doug DeMuro
Yeah. Carsandbeds.com oh yeah, cars and bids.
- [94:55]
Filippo
That one.
- [94:56]
Kenan
There's an app Cars and there is someone coming.
- [94:59]
Filippo
There's also an Android app.
- [95:00]
Kenan
There is an Android thing.
- [95:02]
Doug DeMuro
Right now we're doing an Android app.
- [95:04]
Kenan
That's amazing.
- [95:05]
Doug DeMuro
We're doing an Android app. Take that.
- [95:07]
Filippo
Bring the trailer.
- [95:08]
Doug DeMuro
They have an Android right now. Oh, they already have one. Forget it. All right, I want to move on to questions. And we got a lot of questions because this was supposed to be a more questiony pod, but you know what? We ended up talking about other stuff.
- [95:21]
Filippo
So long.
- [95:21]
Doug DeMuro
I still have great questions. First question from Daky P. Ken, you got to answer for it. What happened to your hair? On the podcast two weeks ago.
- [95:30]
Kenan
I have a lot of hair. My hair is very thick, and it grows very fast, and I wanted to try something different, so I did, and I got a lot of attention, way more than I was expecting it to. It's just hair, for God's sake.
- [95:40]
Filippo
Just hair.
- [95:41]
Doug DeMuro
I walked in that day and I said, kennen.
- [95:42]
Kenan
Well, nobody tries anything different.
- [95:44]
Doug DeMuro
I took one look at him and I said, kenan, you can't have your hair.
- [95:47]
Kenan
Which, again, getting. Getting style criticism from a man so stylish is truly crushing.
- [95:51]
Doug DeMuro
It wasn't about me. I just knew the comments would be endless. And literally every comment, people couldn't even get into Filippo's brilliant takes because they
- [96:02]
Kenan
were so consumed by welcome.
- [96:05]
Doug DeMuro
In a way. In a way, it was actually.
- [96:06]
Kenan
It was a good thing. You're welcome for all the comments and the extra engagement on that one, Sean.
- [96:11]
Doug DeMuro
Next question. This is a real question, and I think a good one, and I want you both to atone. Look me in the face when I ask you this question, okay? From Siberian Motorwagen. I've been making this point in our group for the last week or so in our group chat, and I've been very, very vocal about it. And now someone happens to ask the same question. How come the only non German cars in your friend group are a Ford sports car and a Toyota truck? Hey, now, what happened to the other cars is why is Kenan now, is Kenan looking for the most American car they're in? But Filippo's got this Mercedes. You know what?
- [96:44]
Filippo
I have a 1973 Ford truck.
- [96:45]
Doug DeMuro
You know what's funny about this Ford truck? Every time I'm at his house, the tires on this truck are 25 years old. And every time at his house, every time I'm at his house, I'm like, filippo, you got to get these tires changed. He goes, it's not my truck. It's my wife's truck. It's not my truck. It's not my. I'm not doing her decide on the tires. And now Filippo gets called out for having Only German cars. He goes, I got a truck. I got a truck.
- [97:07]
Filippo
Fair point. Hard to argue that one.
- [97:10]
Kenan
It's impossible to argue that I am the only person.
- [97:13]
Doug DeMuro
Let me tell you the answer to this question. Because only I have a full appreciation only. Exactly. And what do I got? I got a Toyota. I got another non European car.
- [97:25]
Filippo
Yeah.
- [97:25]
Kenan
You know what I gotta say?
- [97:26]
Doug DeMuro
I got the Ford gt.
- [97:28]
Kenan
I was gonna say if we were in your financial position, we'd do differently, but to be honest,
- [97:34]
Doug DeMuro
because you guys, this is the car I've owned the
- [97:36]
Filippo
longest, is an American car. I don't own anymore and I haven't in years. But it's a car I've owned the long.
- [97:40]
Doug DeMuro
You guys have these narrow worldviews. He's got a GTI, an east station wagon, 911, three Germans. You have German everywhere. SL65 German. M5, German, German. You have that Ferrari, European. I. The. The rest of the world is out there.
- [97:56]
Kenan
But I will say my appreciation has expanded tremendously. I've done two films, both on American cars recently. Well, a third was a Lamborghini, but ignore the year. That European car. But I did. I did the Ford Daytona Coupe, which we sold and absolutely love that car. Absolutely adored it. And then I did the Ford Mustang Mach 1. Thought that car was cool as hell. Appreciation for American cars. And so I really want to. And I will own one.
- [98:18]
Doug DeMuro
Lot of people out here saying, first off, have some respect for your own country.
- [98:24]
Filippo
Italy.
- [98:25]
Kenan
You.
- [98:25]
Doug DeMuro
It can be Italy. You don't have an Italian car either. I'll let you have Italy.
- [98:29]
Kenan
He did have that 500 a bar.
- [98:30]
Doug DeMuro
I did.
- [98:30]
Filippo
Yeah.
- [98:30]
Doug DeMuro
So three months ago. You know what upsets me? Yeah.
- [98:32]
Filippo
Wait, what is it? I guess still European, but so upset about you. Built in Mexico.
- [98:36]
Doug DeMuro
So, like, what upsets me about you specifically? America took you in.
- [98:40]
Filippo
Yeah.
- [98:41]
Doug DeMuro
When you were at your lowest.
- [98:43]
Filippo
Yeah.
- [98:43]
Doug DeMuro
You were. Were a poor child washed up on the shore on a beach in North Carolina. We don't often tell this story, but I'm gonna tell it today. He washed up on the beach. He was only. He was in a sale. He's in a grocery bag.
- [98:57]
Filippo
Yeah.
- [98:58]
Doug DeMuro
From.
- [99:00]
Filippo
Yeah. You'll get there. You'll find a Italian grocery chain.
- [99:03]
Doug DeMuro
Sooner or later, I want to see
- [99:06]
Filippo
which one you comes up first.
- [99:07]
Doug DeMuro
Google search grocery bag from. From Euro Spin.
- [99:13]
Filippo
Oh, wow. Okay. A discount grocer. Nice.
- [99:17]
Doug DeMuro
And he washed up going mama. And. And you know who his mama was? America. That's true. And what. And you pay us. What do you do?
- [99:29]
Filippo
I owned a Ford Focus built in America.
- [99:31]
Doug DeMuro
For years, six years. I think that this is legitimate question and beyond by the way the this group. Nick has only a Mercedes station wagon, a Mercedes slr. His wife has a Kay and that's three Germans plus he has his Land Rover which is British European.
- [99:46]
Kenan
Nick has always been. I mean well yeah but his first car was a ford.
- [99:49]
Doug DeMuro
He's €, € €. Our buddy Sam is a boxer of some variety and he's Euro as hell.
- [99:55]
Filippo
He has a Rivian jeeps built in America Normal, Illinois.
- [99:58]
Doug DeMuro
Yeah but the point is we all had things okay. And then when we got some money and we got some taste we all
- [100:03]
Filippo
bought European notably has an American car.
- [100:06]
Doug DeMuro
You don't have.
- [100:07]
Kenan
It's true.
- [100:08]
Doug DeMuro
You and wife has a German car. There's a Germans everywhere. You guys are Euro trash.
- [100:13]
Filippo
We are.
- [100:13]
Doug DeMuro
You don't have a little bit of desire to say hey I do.
- [100:16]
Kenan
I'm going to own the most bare chested American car.
- [100:20]
Doug DeMuro
There is difference between going to own and will own is the difference between I'm keeping my GTI and I'm going to sell my gti.
- [100:27]
Kenan
I set a course and I stick to it. I make, I'm waiting.
- [100:30]
Doug DeMuro
We're all sitting here. Siberian motor wagon is sitting here waiting for you to fly a flag.
- [100:34]
Kenan
Well I will and when it happens I, I will wear an American FL flag when I have my Viper and you'll see.
- [100:40]
Filippo
Interesting. There are a lot of cars in this office. A lot of cars. There are two American cars in his
- [100:47]
Kenan
office actually from my standpoint I can't sing a single American car and two really kind of stretch Italian, Italian, Japanese Italian.
- [100:54]
Filippo
There's a Chevy Sprint Turbo around the corner.
- [100:57]
Doug DeMuro
I, in all honesty, I am in all honesty. Oh, there's a Corvette generally speaking the only member of our group group who's really interested in all of the countries.
- [101:07]
Filippo
I think that's true. At this moment I happen to own three German cars. I don't understand how that's happened. I need to correct that.
- [101:15]
Doug DeMuro
My car list is, is pretty comprehensive. I've owned every country. Volvo, Audi, Volkswagen, Toyota, Ford, BMW, Lotus, Cadillac. You ever have a Cadillac? I had 2am General thank you very much.
- [101:27]
Filippo
Fewer cars. But I think you will agree that
- [101:29]
Kenan
I we didn't have that little taxon incentive from George state of Georgia that you did where you could just cycle cars.
- [101:33]
Doug DeMuro
You could lie on the forms like everybody else.
- [101:36]
Kenan
You're advising that people.
- [101:37]
Doug DeMuro
Oh we can't lie. We don't do that on the forms.
- [101:39]
Filippo
I don't do that. To be clear I, I, I, I Think that you will should accept that I also have an equal love of all kinds of cars, even if I don't own them.
- [101:48]
Doug DeMuro
No, I think once you got a little money and started buying cool cars, they were all Europe. All your cars before were BS cars that you didn't care about. Start using, start to be sport. That car's long gone.
- [102:00]
Filippo
Four years.
- [102:01]
Kenan
I will. If you look at the car list of car. I have a list on my phone of every car I've ever driven my entire life. I will drive anything. Yeah, but when it comes to committing to own, it's like there are tastes that I like.
- [102:10]
Sponsor/Ad Voice
No, no.
- [102:11]
Filippo
I just. It was by habit.
- [102:12]
Doug DeMuro
There were no wagons. I just happened to fall into three euro cars. I like what I like.
- [102:16]
Kenan
What's wrong with that?
- [102:17]
Doug DeMuro
I am the only person who has a whole love of car.
- [102:21]
Filippo
A C7 Corvette. Will you stop on this train?
- [102:23]
Doug DeMuro
Yeah. Okay. I will bow down to you.
- [102:25]
Kenan
I don't know what? Like what?
- [102:26]
Doug DeMuro
Dead serious. I am proud to drive the Ford GT every time I drive it. In part because it's American. That car is designed in America by an American built in America. And then.
- [102:34]
Filippo
Hey, so is your courageous tea sort of.
- [102:35]
Doug DeMuro
Hell yeah. We get. We're gonna have Jason Hill the design of the courageous T on this podcast. He doesn't know it yet. I haven't told him, but I'm now connected to him on Instagram.
- [102:44]
Kenan
Oh, I would like to own more sports cars and I'm taking that advice. That's why I'm not buying McCon and I will own more.
- [102:48]
Doug DeMuro
I'm sorry, were you speaking German or just. Or just. Or just speaking. I couldn't hear you.
- [102:55]
Kenan
Very funny. Very funny. Men making fun of Germany. Can't believe it.
- [102:59]
Doug DeMuro
Okay, next question, Next question, next question, next question. This is a good question from Plausibly. Hey fellows, what podcast are you listening to? Filippo, tell us about your listening experience.
- [103:12]
Filippo
Yeah, I don't listen to that many podcasts, but I listen to some like news related podcasts and tech related podcasts.
- [103:18]
Doug DeMuro
Okay, like what?
- [103:19]
Filippo
I'd rather not get into it. Filippo, I will say I do love NKBHD's Waveform podcast as one of my tech ones. Shout out to Marquez Brownlee.
- [103:27]
Doug DeMuro
Filippo, tell us, trying to like solicit
- [103:30]
Filippo
some favors here from.
- [103:31]
Doug DeMuro
Tell us about the podcast that you listen to.
- [103:35]
Kenan
How much NPR to see?
- [103:36]
Filippo
There's a fair amount of npr. Yeah, yeah, they have some good podcasts, Filippo, I want, but it's not exclusively npr.
- [103:42]
Kenan
When do you listen to it?
- [103:43]
Filippo
I'm curious when I walk the dog or when I'm on a really long.
- [103:45]
Kenan
I always wonder what you're listening to when you walk.
- [103:47]
Filippo
I don't. I don't listen to music that often. Doug is in the top 1% of Spotify listeners worldwide. I'm not.
- [103:53]
Kenan
I don't.
- [103:53]
Doug DeMuro
You're not going to admit here to listening to hardcore left wing podcasts. You're not going to admit that that's
- [103:58]
Filippo
not how I would describe them. I listen to more podcasts and more genres than you might expect.
- [104:05]
Kenan
That's good.
- [104:06]
Doug DeMuro
Oh, my God. All right, let's do three more questions. Three more questions from JM EtherID. By the way, I don't listen to any podcast, Ken, do you?
- [104:15]
Kenan
Yeah, I do.
- [104:15]
Doug DeMuro
What do you listen to?
- [104:16]
Kenan
Mssp, Matt and Shane Secret podcast. Shout out to the Dogs. Everybody who listens to that, everybody knows I love Matt and I think I
- [104:24]
Doug DeMuro
love Matt and Shane. What do you think this is? Lipo? What do you think this is?
- [104:29]
Kenan
Shane Gillis, the comedian. He and Matt, they both great podcasts on that all the time. I also listen to Smoking Tire. Love Matt Fair. Always have listened to the Smoking Tire. Still my favorite automotive pack. That's not, no offense, podcast. No offense to you too.
- [104:43]
Filippo
I'm a little offended.
- [104:45]
Kenan
And I listen to a lot of stuff. Hinky radio. Listen to them, of course, for watch stuff and play a bunch of others too.
- [104:52]
Doug DeMuro
I listen to none. I don't listen to music.
- [104:54]
Kenan
Yeah, I do know that.
- [104:55]
Doug DeMuro
Speaking of, there's a question here. What is the best song to listen to while driving during the day? What is the best song to listen to while driving at night? I'm gonna tell you. The only song I listen to is called Standing still by a band called Budet Ahead. It's the only. I listen to it over and over. That's the only song I listen to night and day.
- [105:17]
Filippo
Is that the summer song?
- [105:18]
Doug DeMuro
No, it's. It's from like 20 years ago. You can have it if you want.
- [105:21]
Filippo
But, like, what is giving you the song of the summer?
- [105:24]
Doug DeMuro
You got it. Call me maybe. Maybe we need to call me maybe.
- [105:28]
Kenan
No, no.
- [105:28]
Filippo
But you always have a song of the summer that you.
- [105:30]
Doug DeMuro
I know. We need to call me. It needs to be poppy and fun giving you this song Standing still by Buddhahead. You go listen to it. You get Filippo. You go listen to it instead of listening for once. Instead of listening to Rachel Maddow.
- [105:45]
Kenan
Wow.
- [105:46]
Doug DeMuro
It's right there on Spotify. That's this song. Okay. Yeah. Two more questions. Two more actual questions. Kyle KP. Are there any car manufacturers that you think will follow in the footsteps of Spirit Airlines within the next five years or less and that they will go bankrupt or just disappear and people have to fly around repossessing products somehow. Infinity, I got to assume Infinity just rolled out the QX65.
- [106:13]
Filippo
I know there's a bunch of automakers that are constantly in trouble. Aston Martin, Lotus, McLaren is constantly. The thing is an auto Jag may disappear.
- [106:24]
Doug DeMuro
An automaker with a really strong brand name is never going to go away. So. So Saab went away because it didn't have a. Aston Martin is always. There's always.
- [106:33]
Filippo
There's always some value in it. I also the re. The real answer is that there's going to be a lot of. By the way, there are a lot that have been smaller scale. Lordstown Motors was around for a brief moment. There's other ones like that.
- [106:45]
Doug DeMuro
Tell me about a real. If you were to place your bets on a real automaker that I think
- [106:51]
Filippo
the next few years will truly out of business. Yeah. And fully collapse. A lot will form.
- [106:58]
Doug DeMuro
I don't know about collapse. But just like the brand is gone. What do you got, Ken? And think on it too. In the US market.
- [107:05]
Filippo
In the US markets are. I think probably half of the manufacturers in China will go bankrupt.
- [107:10]
Doug DeMuro
US market. Hit me in the US who's leaving? Who's leaving? Why can't you immediately answer? I got two right off the bat.
- [107:18]
Kenan
Well, if Lotus actually does the thing they say they're going to do, like they get rid of the V6 and like that's not around anymore. That seems pretty.
- [107:25]
Filippo
I think either Alpha or Maserati.
- [107:27]
Kenan
Alpha. Maserati was the other one.
- [107:28]
Filippo
They have strong brand names, but no way.
- [107:30]
Doug DeMuro
Maserati.
- [107:31]
Filippo
I don't think that that's the lantern.
- [107:33]
Doug DeMuro
The answer is Mitsubishi and Infiniti are both going away. They are both going away.
- [107:38]
Filippo
She's probably right.
- [107:39]
Doug DeMuro
I'm breaking the news right here. Mitsubishi Motors is done in the US boy, when you go on mitsubishi.cars.com the only car they're offering is the Outland.
- [107:50]
Filippo
Yeah.
- [107:50]
Doug DeMuro
The Eclipse Cross.
- [107:51]
Filippo
But that's been true for a while and at least there is a new Outlander and a refresh one comics Memory serves.
- [107:57]
Doug DeMuro
Based on the rogue, Right? Correct. Well, this is all you remember, of
- [108:00]
Filippo
course, that the Rogue hybrid is based on the Outlander.
- [108:02]
Doug DeMuro
Outlander.
- [108:03]
Filippo
Yeah.
- [108:03]
Doug DeMuro
No, I think that Mitsubishi is a good guess. Mitsubishi Infinity. They're circling the drain.
- [108:09]
Filippo
It depends on how Nissan plans to do it. I think they will want a luxury brand. And so they may keep it alive even though they should.
- [108:15]
Doug DeMuro
I just don't know. You know, it's interesting. When all the Japanese brands launched luxury brands in the late 80s and early 90s, they did it because they saw the enormous amount of money that the Germans were making and it hasn't gone well for any of them.
- [108:26]
Sponsor/Ad Voice
Lex is on a. Lexus has been great.
- [108:28]
Doug DeMuro
Infiniti has been pretty much a disaster. After year three. Acura never really took off like I think they were hoping it would. It always sort of lived in this budget space which was never going to be as profitable. And you know, Mazda tried to do it too. They had this brand they were going to launch called Amati that was the 929 was going to be that. And they never even got it off the ground around.
- [108:48]
Filippo
I'm going to add a one to that. Not to the list of luxury makers, but that might truly be gone in five years. Lucid. Lucid has, has taken back all the predictions on production this year. They've like fully removed their guidance and said we don't know how many cards we're going to make.
- [109:03]
Doug DeMuro
Have you watched what happened with Liv Golf?
- [109:06]
Filippo
Yeah.
- [109:06]
Doug DeMuro
Do you know about this? Yes. The, the Saudis came in and tried to bribe. Is that a term we can use?
- [109:13]
Filippo
I think it's the most correct.
- [109:14]
Doug DeMuro
You can't go to Jedi anymore. But they tried to bribe all the shame all the golfers from the PGA Tour to come over to their new successfully actually. And it worked because they had zillions of dollars. They were going to start their own golf tour. But you saw what happened recently.
- [109:30]
Filippo
They have shut down.
- [109:31]
Doug DeMuro
They're shutting down. They stopped paying the golfers. It's all over. And so you sit here thinking, oh, the Middle Easterners have all this money. They can bankroll stuff for forever. Well, we'll see how long forever lasts. And Lucid may indeed find out, especially because fundamentally the.
- [109:44]
Filippo
The Saudi government is having some money troubles by not being able to export their oil currently. It may have an impact on where they decide to place bets. And I could imagine Lucid losing like running out of money.
- [109:54]
Doug DeMuro
We got oil problems.
- [109:55]
Filippo
Oh, by the way, Vinfast is still around.
- [109:58]
Doug DeMuro
I did, apparently. Yeah. What's Vinfast? They were, they were on this huge kick. They were trying to get me every Vinfast ever made. They sent me a blanket one year which I still use. And, and by the way, as a result, I am a shill for their company. They make the best cars in the
- [110:09]
Filippo
world, make pretty decent blankets. There's a VN. There's a VinFast store at the mall here in San Diego. Yeah, I don't know if you're familiar with this. They have had a VF9 in the showroom for the last two years. Not for sale.
- [110:22]
Doug DeMuro
Not for. Well, they got other ones, but. So what's the deal with that? Are they still doing it?
- [110:27]
Filippo
Apparently, the VF7 is coming soon.
- [110:29]
Doug DeMuro
Okay, last question. Question. Last question from Crossy with a K. Hey, Doug. The podcast was one of the best parts of my Fridays. How lovely. Sean, you hear that?
- [110:39]
Kenan
It's very kind, but I think it
- [110:40]
Doug DeMuro
would be even better with more regular outside guests included.
- [110:45]
Filippo
Good news last week.
- [110:46]
Doug DeMuro
These people don't like Sean. You hear that? They don't like Kenan and Filippo.
- [110:49]
Filippo
I can't blame them.
- [110:51]
Doug DeMuro
What are some of. Or maybe me. I do. What are some of your most desired guests to have on?
- [110:58]
Filippo
Well, Tyler Hoover, obviously.
- [111:00]
Doug DeMuro
Here's the problem with guests. Two things. Number one, Farrah has guests on his pod, and he tells us the pods with guests always do worse than the pods with the crew.
- [111:06]
Filippo
Yeah.
- [111:07]
Doug DeMuro
Because people don't. They. They see the guest name and they don't want to hear from that guest, so they just don't watch that pod. Whereas if it's just the guys, they'll tune in. Number two, in order to have the sort of jovial, enjoyable experience that we all have, it has to be someone that we are comfortable with. Right.
- [111:24]
Kenan
Or in. In our case, if Doug wants to tear in and make. Tear into us and make fun of us. He wants to be someone he knows, not someone he's not familiar with.
- [111:31]
Doug DeMuro
Yeah, like Hoovy.
- [111:33]
Kenan
Right, Right.
- [111:33]
Filippo
Hoover, you can. You can ask him.
- [111:35]
Kenan
Right. You're gonna ask him some tough questions, I'm sure. Yeah, we'll see. We'll see him square.
- [111:40]
Doug DeMuro
Didn't we get into, like, his. His marital status?
- [111:42]
Kenan
Yeah, I'm sure the taxes will come up.
- [111:44]
Doug DeMuro
Oh, for sure, for sure.
- [111:45]
Filippo
At least he filed an extension this year. Smart.
- [111:48]
Doug DeMuro
So the answer is, like, if we had Whistlin on, I feel like I'd be like, Camisa was here. And I felt, like, nervous a little, like, Camisa's an automotive icon. And I was, like, not really sure how to, you know, it's not the same energy.
- [112:02]
Filippo
Right.
- [112:02]
Doug DeMuro
So who do I want on? Number one, most desired guest? Ryan Lopez.
- [112:06]
Filippo
Oh, wow.
- [112:07]
Doug DeMuro
He could answer for the air conditioning incident. He could answer for the picking the guy up upstairs incident.
- [112:11]
Filippo
He's got a lot of other ones.
- [112:14]
Doug DeMuro
Filippo came in today. He said, Ryan Lopez Booked a meeting. Meeting. And he was on an airplane for the meeting.
- [112:21]
Filippo
Yep.
- [112:22]
Doug DeMuro
Ryan said, well, what's the problem? Filippo said, well, you. Did you take the meeting, right? I couldn't take the meeting. I was on an airplane. People said, well, why did. I was there. It's like Freddie. He and Freddie were probably on the same flight. They just. They wandered under. They got on the flight. Boom.
- [112:34]
Filippo
I didn't know it was gonna be on flight. Didn't know.
- [112:36]
Doug DeMuro
I didn't have any idea it was gonna be on a plane. Who. How do you calculate how long it's gonna take? I don't know.
- [112:40]
Filippo
I did say yes to the meeting, though.
- [112:44]
Doug DeMuro
Ryan Lopez is my number one guest that I want in the pot.
- [112:47]
Filippo
Yep.
- [112:48]
Doug DeMuro
And I think we're gonna have.
- [112:48]
Sponsor/Ad Voice
It is quite doable.
- [112:50]
Doug DeMuro
It's pretty. Dude. He's sitting there.
- [112:51]
Filippo
He's right there. He's listening to all of this.
- [112:55]
Doug DeMuro
Bring his chips right into the studio.
- [112:57]
Filippo
Yep. And we do have pretty good ac, so, like, he'll.
- [113:00]
Doug DeMuro
He'll be. We got good AC in the hall.
- [113:02]
Filippo
Sleep well.
- [113:03]
Doug DeMuro
Sleep. Who else? Who do you want?
- [113:05]
Filippo
Kenan?
- [113:07]
Kenan
Well, I'd love Matt to come down. I'd love Matt Farah. Yeah.
- [113:10]
Filippo
He's been.
- [113:11]
Kenan
We are the very first live we ever did, which started this whole thing was with.
- [113:15]
Doug DeMuro
The problem is it's hard to also actually.
- [113:17]
Kenan
Zach Clapman. Zach so funny. I love both. Both of them would be great.
- [113:21]
Doug DeMuro
Zach Clapman is the funniest guy in the car biz.
- [113:23]
Kenan
He.
- [113:23]
Filippo
Yeah.
- [113:23]
Kenan
It makes. He's a stand. He does stand up. Like he's a comedy writer. Makes. He is so funny, and I love him.
- [113:28]
Doug DeMuro
Dude, you want Zach Clapman.
- [113:29]
Kenan
I would love to have Sean make it happen.
- [113:31]
Doug DeMuro
I think we could also have a fun experience there. Wouldn't feel. Feel like overbearing or like, oh, what do we say to this person? Do we have to ask them if they want coffee? Like, you can just, like, have them and have them like they're one of your friends.
- [113:44]
Kenan
Yeah, absolutely.
- [113:45]
Doug DeMuro
What about you?
- [113:46]
Filippo
I want Nick Rochon's wife. I need somebody to explain
- [113:51]
Doug DeMuro
a special pod. I love her wife.
- [113:54]
Kenan
That would be. You know what?
- [113:55]
Doug DeMuro
Actually, I never.
- [113:56]
Kenan
Well, I actually do second this. I think that would be amazing.
- [114:00]
Filippo
Nick's wife play her clips of what Nick has do to says that we cut and then have her react.
- [114:04]
Doug DeMuro
Answer for this.
- [114:06]
Kenan
I. Yes. So Nick's wife. I won't say her name. Prepare.
- [114:10]
Doug DeMuro
Don't you think it would be amazing to get some real insider like, okay, so what's the reg Is you know, is this. Is this go on even at home. Do you know about all this stuff?
- [114:21]
Kenan
She is the most patient woman on the planet. Because Nick is so crazy. I can't imagine.
- [114:27]
Sponsor/Ad Voice
Got to be.
- [114:27]
Kenan
Got to be.
- [114:28]
Doug DeMuro
Yeah. Truly insane. That's a great one.
- [114:30]
Kenan
I hadn't considered that.
- [114:32]
Filippo
A lot to answer for.
- [114:34]
Doug DeMuro
We'll send her a note. Maybe she hates us. Maybe she thinks we're bad. Nick probably goes home and is like, filippo made me buy another car.
- [114:42]
Kenan
She tax it all.
- [114:43]
Doug DeMuro
I can't believe it.
- [114:44]
Kenan
I think she would want to.
- [114:45]
Filippo
Don't give Nick idea.
- [114:46]
Kenan
I bear the comments. She watches and. Or listens to the podcast.
- [114:49]
Filippo
Yeah, yeah.
- [114:49]
Doug DeMuro
Only when Nick's on. She's not going to hear this. Okay, we're good. That's the end. There's a pins Gower on the site. By the time you're watching this, long gone. Long gone.
- [114:56]
Filippo
Sorry.
- [114:57]
Doug DeMuro
Someone bought it, but car is altered. The Velocity cars.
- [114:59]
Filippo
If you go to. To browse Velocity or go to the
- [115:01]
Kenan
Banner, I'm going to go to the Banner. It's cool as hell.
- [115:04]
Filippo
It is very cool. There's a lot of incredible cards that are going to be ending tomorrow when you're listening to this tomorrow. So make sure.
- [115:10]
Kenan
So many cars.
- [115:11]
Filippo
I'm not sure it comes around to that.
- [115:12]
Doug DeMuro
Yeah. Oh, maybe you might have to go to cards.com again. And by the way, that's. That's a note for you. Go to carsandbids.com.
- [115:19]
Filippo
click on it. But truly, there's some absolutely incredible cars.
- [115:22]
Doug DeMuro
If you've ever wanted a Lola T212, and if you have sitting here watching, waiting, you've been waiting for all these years.
- [115:28]
Filippo
By the way, that skyline wild 6,000 miles.
- [115:31]
Doug DeMuro
Midnight purple. I want to buy this. And then I looked at the. Yeah, Midnight Purple.
- [115:35]
Filippo
For real money.
- [115:36]
Doug DeMuro
If you ever wanted a Lola T12 and I want to buy this, this is your chance. Now Nick's gonna buy it and be like, but Doug, sit on the pod. Yeah.
- [115:42]
Filippo
Now this is my chance on the pod.
- [115:45]
Doug DeMuro
This is my chance. This is my head. To buy it. Okay, that's our last thing. Anything else? Any parting thoughts?
- [115:51]
Filippo
Sifting travels.
- [115:52]
Kenan
Safe travels to you. I'll see you at Velocity.
- [115:54]
Filippo
Yeah.
- [115:55]
Doug DeMuro
Our best pot ever.
- [115:56]
Filippo
Goodbye, everyone. Goodbye.
- [115:57]
Kenan
Bye. My hair's back to normal.