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Doug
Hello and welcome to this car pod.
Kenan
I'm Kenan.
Filippo
I'm Filippo.
Doug
I'm Doug. And it's time for the news.
Kenan
Ah, Jaguar mistake.
Filippo
Yep. I think we've said all we need to say.
Kenan
Yeah. So what is the story?
Filippo
Okay. This car which has been shown all around the world but not formally ready for production yet. Yep, now we know the name.
Kenan
This is Jaguars concept, the electric EV. New Jaguar.
Filippo
Yes. It's called the Type 01.
Doug
Type 01. Apparently it will be confirmed a four door which this. I don't know how many doors this has.
Kenan
Right. I'll tell you what, their shut lines have gotten really tight.
Filippo
I can't even see build quality. Phenomenal.
Doug
This may be a two door but like this. I don't know what this is. And also what if the door opens like a gull wing, you know what I mean? The real one will not be that it's going to be a four door and it's going to be called the typo one. And it's going to have about 1,000 horsepower and at least 960 pound feet of torque. 1,000 horsepower.
Filippo
185.
Doug
But yeah, what this is is the Cadillac Celestic of the Jaguar world. And I have a suspicion it will fair just as well. Do you agree?
Kenan
Equal success, I'm sure, yes.
Doug
How many celestics have you guys seen on the road? Try to count it out.
Kenan
Let me carry the one of the none.
Filippo
Yeah.
Doug
Oh, combined zero. I also have not seen one. So unfortunately it's zero.
Filippo
But one of our co workers has seen them. He lives in Detroit but he has seen them.
Doug
We have a co I know a guy whose sister's uncle saw Celeste.
Kenan
There's a guy at the next town
Filippo
over, he's seen one Jag says that the Type connects to their heritage.
Kenan
It does.
Filippo
And then 01 points forward. Zero tailpipe emissions and the first car
Doug
of a new Chapter 01. Now I think that the leading zero in 01 is ambitious. I think we'll see. I would have just called it the type 1. Anyway. They. When is it going to come out? They said it'll be out. It's going to be officially revealed later this year. Which means it's out maybe in a year.
Filippo
Yeah, 27 is what they're saying. I want you to know that per quote. Per quote from the Jaguar head. Our engineers have achieved this with a vehicle that looks and drives like no other electric car. Unfortunately, most electric cars pretty good.
Doug
Well, and also. Well, what do you mean it drives like another electric car? Like they all. Every electric car I've ever driven, from the Nissan Leaf to the rimac nevera drove basically the same.
Filippo
Nissan's thrilled by that comparison. They're 9 seconds.
Doug
0 to 60 seconds. Neither of those cars sold. Both of those cars tanked on the used market. So, hey, I have a suspicion what's going to happen.
Filippo
It'll drive like no other electric car.
Doug
I think it will drive like most other electric cars. And what was the other thing it'll look like?
Filippo
Yeah, I mean that's.
Doug
Well, there is now spy shots of it and I'll tell you what, it looks like a Celestiq. Pull up, just type in Jaguar type 01. It's like wild how much it looks like a Celestiq. It's a good looking car. It sucks because that spy shot. It sucks because now the Celestiq has competition which is going to make it even harder to sell Celestics.
Filippo
No. A rising tide, you know. Yep.
Doug
The rising tide of the $400,000 ultra luxury electric sedan market.
Filippo
By the way, I should note we also now know that there's no rear window.
Doug
Just like the Polestar 4. Polestar 4?
Filippo
Yeah, that's the one.
Doug
No one knows. Zoom out. There's a rear photo. There's a rear spy shot where it literally is a. They may have just. They may have just done a Celestic. It's not that one, but it doesn't matter. You get the idea. Are you excited for this vehicle?
Filippo
As excited as I am about any other Jag that's coming out.
Doug
As much as I am making fun of it, I am legitimately excited for it. Well, I think this looks cool.
Kenan
That does look cool.
Doug
I always felt this looked cool, or at least like new and futuristic and crazy. And I loved, obviously, like everyone did. I loved the video when they announced, of course, their rebrand.
Filippo
If you haven't watched it in a while.
Kenan
We were so nice to it on the podcast when it came out and we had those. That bunch of people from Berlin.
Doug
It appeared it was good content people. It was like a whistling video. You never knew what was going to explode next.
Kenan
That's true. The purple rocks.
Doug
It was the brand primarily. So anyway, they. They. This is going to be exciting and
Filippo
probably 400ish miles of range is what they're targeting. Three motors, thousand is horsepower.
Doug
It's going to. It's not going to sell. But then they'll do lesser models. The Typo 2 and the Typo 3 and all that, you know. Polestar has already backed themselves into the corner by numbering the cars because. Yep, the 2 is actually the flagship.
Filippo
No, the 4 is now the flagship.
Doug
The 2 is more expensive than the 4. I'm sorry, the 3. The 5.
Filippo
Well, it's an outlier.
Doug
The 2 was the sedan. The 2 is the flagship.
Filippo
The 3 is the small SUV.
Doug
That's the flagship.
Filippo
No, the big sedan is the flagship.
Kenan
Well, it's nice to know that it's easy to keep it steam.
Doug
What big sedan?
Filippo
The one you reviewed.
Doug
It's a hatchback. The one?
Filippo
Yes, the four.
Doug
The four is cheaper.
Kenan
Just throw out another number below 10.
Doug
The four starts at 56, the three starts at 68. The three is the flagship.
Filippo
Oh, my goodness, you're right.
Doug
The three is the flagship.
Filippo
Wow.
Doug
So it makes.
Filippo
68 is so much more than that car should cost.
Doug
Well, I bet. I bet you can get deals.
Filippo
Yeah. I love how it looks, by the way.
Doug
The Polestar 3 Jag is probably going to end up in the same situation, unless of course, the next car is called something different. Typo two. I'm excited. It's going to be very exciting. We're going to see it later this year. Thousand horsepower in all. No one is excited. And I really think this is going to be a dud. Yep, yep.
Filippo
Also, it was revealed in 2025 comes out. It's long lag.
Doug
Long lag.
Filippo
Before seeing it in real life.
Doug
Like the hood. Yeah.
Kenan
Very long in the back.
Filippo
Honestly, what's. What do you think is under the hood?
Kenan
I hope it's a storage, but based on it doesn't look like it opens, so probably nothing.
Doug
The Celeste. Well, it's a Concept car, the Celeste had a front trunk. Okay, on to our next news story please.
Kenan
The Z.
Doug
The new Nissan Z which will soon become the old Nissan Z really. Well, it kind of already is. The drive is reporting that the Nissan Z which has just gotten refreshed is going to switch to going forward to a. There's apparently a leaked Nissan dealer bulletin that says the Z is going to switch to a build to order production. Which means that they won't just be stock units at the dealers, they're going to specifically like build them in theory when a customer orders them, but probably dealers will order stock units nonetheless. I think the point is that production is going to decrease even more than it already is, which is significant because I saw one on the road the other day and I was thinking, wow, that is really rare. It is rare.
Kenan
I do notice them when I see them. And again we live in Southern California, kind of the land where you can have sports cars and new cars are very common. I've ever since they launched the newsy I really just don't see them.
Doug
So going forward, the 27 updates which are notable, they're gonna be super rare. Like this is gonna be like the 98 supra.
Kenan
It's gonna be the one to have.
Doug
If you're a Mark 4 man.
Filippo
If you're a Mark 4 man. Yeah, yeah. Which everybody is. Yeah, the updates. The refresh for 27 is actually pretty good. Manual and Nismo version.
Doug
Yep.
Filippo
It's desirable but if it is order only and then built order that doesn't really work with the US dealer structure very well or getting sales.
Doug
My understand whenever car companies have more or less whenever car companies the building was done by the dealers, not necessarily the customers because of the way that allocation works. So my guess is is that there will still be cars. I think what they're basically trying to say is we're going to limit production even more than we already are. And so Nissan Z is becoming less common. Supra just ended, right? Didn't Mark 5 supra just ended. Yeah.
Filippo
We're on the final edition this year.
Doug
This is it, dude. This is the end. The Japanese sports car reared again in the mid-2020s will quiet once again. Just like in the 90s when there were so many Japanese Japanese sports cars. Ken's birth was. Was heralded by Japanese sports cars. His. His birth year in. In the lunar calendar, the year of the Japanese sports car.
Filippo
And then, and then it all came crumbling down and everything has the prelude those back.
Doug
Oh my God.
Filippo
The prelude though is Back.
Doug
The Prelude is back.
Kenan
Not gonna make the dietic. Nevermind.
Filippo
Postlude.
Doug
I have this theory that I've been nursing and maybe I'll drop it here.
Filippo
Oh please.
Doug
I don't think the Japanese sports car ever went away. You know how everybody talks about they were in the 90s and then they died.
Kenan
Yeah, well, there were a lot of them.
Doug
Okay, I'm gonna let me posit you this. 3000 GT went to 99. Okay. And the NSX went to 05. So let's skip the NSX for a second.
Kenan
Although they did sell six at its production end.
Doug
Yeah, but there's a lot of 02 to 05s out there. All right, 99.3000 GT. In 2000 the S2000 came out.
Kenan
Right?
Doug
But the Japanese sports car was alive and well. And in 2000 another very important Japanese sports car came out. The Toyota Mr.2 Spider. And so I think that the Japanese sports.
Filippo
So the six cylinder Japanese sports car died.
Doug
Then the S2000 went all the way to 09. And by then the WRX and the EVO and the STI were already here, the GTR was already back and boom. The Japanese sports cars never went away.
Kenan
Those were not purpose built sports cars.
Doug
The S2000.
Kenan
The S2000 was. But the the WRX and the S2 were based on other fast versions of pre existing cars. Dedicated sports like the M3 and the M5. They were. Those are don't agree.
Filippo
They're now that they are now dead. There's no STI sold. There's no Mitsubishi land.
Doug
There is a brz. Excuse you, there is a brz. There is an frs.
Filippo
Okay, Same car. That's not what it's called anymore.
Doug
There is a Supra. There is a Supra which is incredibly Japanese.
Filippo
Supra is dead.
Doug
The Supra was, is. Is an incredibly Japanese car and is
Filippo
still around for one more year.
Kenan
The Z is around and one to add to Prelude. Where do you say the R35 falls on that? Oh, it's also been in production for all of it.
Doug
It's dead basically. The R35 is barely dead.
Filippo
It is coming back is what we've learned. Right? And to be fair to your point, the grgt.
Doug
The GRGT is coming back. That's a thing?
Filippo
Yep.
Doug
The Miata is still in production. Never left. By the way, another Japanese car that never left.
Kenan
The Miata is always the answer. It has never been out of production.
Doug
I'm telling you, the Japanese sports car never went away. This is a lie that you're being fed by German sports car media.
Filippo
That's right.
Kenan
You want to say propaganda, but that's.
Doug
Well, I don't know. I mean, it is a pride. It is a piece of propaganda.
Filippo
All that to say the last Z,
Doug
last Civic, Type R, Integra, Type S. Good point. Everything's rolling.
Filippo
The only accurate left.
Doug
All right. The only.
Filippo
I mean fundamental.
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Kenan
Oh, very dark.
Doug
Lotus. Lotus supercar. I gotta tell you something. I walked in the office today, they told me there's going to be a new Lotus supercar. I don't know anything about it and I'll tell you why. Last time Lotus said there'd be a supercar was the Avija. Do you remember the Avija?
Filippo
I do.
Doug
Do you?
Filippo
Actually, I incredibly do. But if things are not the Avija
Doug
dude pronounced, it doesn't exist. Okay, I saw one ever and it was at Villa D' two years ago in Lake Como. And it was like doing journalist drives. And the journalists were gushing over it because they had been selected to sit in an Avija. And guess what? It doesn't exist.
Filippo
They made 130 units. Well, they were going to make 130 units.
Kenan
Yeah. No confirmation. I remember vividly. I remember then really contemplating the idea of is an electric supercar going to be selling? And since there have been many others and the Avija or Avija discuss anywhere,
Filippo
but they've said that they're building a hybrid V8 supercar now. So it's not electric.
Doug
Okay. Hybrid V800, 1000 horsepower hybrid V8 called the type 135 code name.
Kenan
They're sticking with the English love saying
Filippo
code name, codename, that code name.
Doug
It'll have at least. This is what they say, at least 986 horsepower. Now the Jag only has 986 horsepower. So they saw Jag's thing and they were like, we're gonna step in.
Filippo
Yep.
Doug
Yeah.
Kenan
Okay.
Doug
So are you excited or are we. I do. I think we're kind of chances that this ever exists.
Filippo
The engine is coming from horse motors.
Doug
Horse motors. This is a real get ready because we got another horse motors story here in a second.
Filippo
Okay. So horse motors, for those that don't know which is everybody, is a Renault Geely joint collaboration. Geely being the Chinese manufacturer who also owns Lotus and Volvo and the Polestar 3.
Doug
They own every Polestar 3.
Filippo
But it is actually fundamentally the engineers from the Renault like motor which has been known to build decent engines. Sometimes they have a new hybrid V8 and its load is kind of returning. Like moving away from their all electric initiative to create a V8 hybrid supercar.
Kenan
Okay.
Doug
Okay. That is something. Lotus vaporware. We don't know. I want you to move on to the next news story which Kenan, I got you. You're going to go nuts when you hear that.
Kenan
I will say if they can make this with a manual.
Filippo
It won't.
Kenan
I'd be really into it.
Filippo
But they cannot.
Doug
They can't. They speak because a Lotus. Because I know they can't make it with a manual. Because today, moments before filming this podcast, it was announced that the Lotus Emira, which is a car that perpetually looks like it's been in some sort of front end collision. The Lotus Emir, you're not wrong. I love the Amira, is ditching its Toyota V6, a beloved powertrain, a good engine. And it's Mercedes AMG Turbo 4 for a new motor from horse. Yep. So it's getting a horse engine, a lot of horsepower. That engine will be a turbo 3 liter V6 with 540 horsepower. Okay.
Filippo
It's big power, big power.
Doug
A lot more than the car is now. However, it will only be mated to an automatic transmission. But this is the big news. This is horse. This is a brand new joint venture between the high tech Chinese and some other company. He said take a guess the number of gears for this automatic transmission.
Filippo
Oh no, I'm very afraid I didn't look at it.
Kenan
Don't tell me it's a cvt.
Doug
Take a guess. So your guess is infinite?
Kenan
My guess is infinite or yeah. What did Jason Kamie say last week? Or one. I don't know, whatever. I think I have a weird feeling it's going to be a cv.
Filippo
You're joking.
Doug
It is a four speed automatic.
Kenan
Four what?
Doug
So it's like you felt that the Emiro was a good car when it had a manual transmission and a good Toyota reliable Toyota V6. Well, too bad. Have I got news for you. It's going to be replaced with a 540 horsepower Turbo V6 made by horsepower trains which undoubtedly will be just as reliable as the Toyota V6 mated to a four speed automatic.
Kenan
Like it's 1989.
Doug
Like it's 1989. And we're buying an XJS free speed with overdrive.
Filippo
In their defense, there's no defending it.
Kenan
There's no defending that.
Filippo
Have two, two things in their defense. One is it weighs just 160 kilograms which is 10 pounds lighter than any other V6 on the market.
Kenan
You know, I would take 10 pounds.
Filippo
10 pounds.
Doug
I'm sorry, sorry. A week at the gym.
Kenan
It's hard to find a 10 pound weight at the gym.
Filippo
That's 10 kilograms. 22 pounds. Okay.
Doug
Spent two weeks at the gym.
Filippo
Second is, I bet that the motor serves as some supplemental gearing. Like, like the way that they have it set up. I hope it means that it's an automatic.
Doug
88 of Emiras are sold to the manual transmission.
Filippo
So that's the other thing. In this, in this press release they say people told us that they love the V6 engine and the V6 version is the best seller in the US market because the four cylinder is not available manual.
Doug
What a spin. That is an unbelievable spin. What's this fellow's name? Feng is his last name.
Filippo
Yeah.
Doug
That's incredible. They want, they love V6s.
Filippo
What can we say?
Doug
We're going to do more V6s. 88% of Emiras are sold.
Filippo
This is a bad. So we've known that that Toyota V6 was going to go away for a while. We're hearing about it because it does. It's not complying with new European emissions regulations in this current form. And they didn't want to redevelop it, fine. Right.
Kenan
So be it.
Filippo
The fact that they're not finding a way to make this, find an engine that can be made into a manual is how hard can it be?
Doug
It already is. I know this for a fact. And I'd be curious if there's some viewer who's more of an expert on this than I am. But I wonder if there is a difficulty of meeting euro emissions regulations with a manual transmission. I wonder if the manual transmission specifically is making it difficult to meet red.
Filippo
I wouldn't be shocked if that's true. If they can program the automatic however they want. I wouldn't be shocked if the EU regulators have their own.
Doug
I don't know what test cycle is, I don't know what they measured at all that stuff.
Filippo
I think that's true.
Doug
I don't know this as a fact and I'm not saying that it is a fact, but I am curious because we hear rumors about the next GT3 and that they may do a manual only for the US and then you start to wonder. Well, they wouldn't. They're not idiots. They're not. They're not doing this because they want to. There's obviously a need to do it. The powertrain is of course the need. But I wonder if they just. If there's a. If there's a. If there's a reason beyond that.
Filippo
I'm sure there is. BMW has said that they're not really. They can't. Their ability to have higher horsepower engines than their V6 in their manual cars is limited because they don't want to redevelop a full new manual for additional engines. I do wonder if Lotus, the manufacturer, is kind of small, doesn't have the purchasing power to.
Doug
Well, it's 88% of sales. I mean, you're doing it or you're not doing it, like 88%. The Chinese especially should be like, oh,
Kenan
that is a sign.
Filippo
Questionable. Questionable.
Doug
Joke.
Filippo
Okay.
Doug
They own the Lotus, the Chinese own the Lotus and they're sitting here looking at this saying, let's do a four speed auto. Anyway, I think it's a shame. Amira is a great car. Obviously the Amiras that are built with the manual and all that are going to be the ones that everybody wants. Well, it's the four speed auto. Emiras are going to go down like the 4 speed auto XJS.
Kenan
Nice.
Doug
Poorly. Poorly.
Kenan
Well, if you thought the Amira market was strong, hold my beer. It's gonna remain that way for a while.
Doug
True. And the Amira market is strong. Sell them all the time on the cars in the business a week.
Filippo
Yeah, those are going to be 90 grand forever.
Doug
Forever. Like Evora still are 60.
Kenan
Yeah. It's pretty remarkable.
Doug
Look at these sales.
Kenan
83, 89, 93, 85.
Filippo
Only one that hasn't sold in forever was an automatic. Yeah, truly. You have to keep scrolling down. I don't remember when it was but it did happen and it was that four cylinder.
Doug
Four cylinder.
Filippo
Despite the fact that the four cylinder auto, the four cylinder has exactly the same horsepower as the supercharged V6. Somehow with both 400 horsepower.
Doug
Click on this one. Look at that. I'm telling you, it looks like the car has been in a front end collision. And then the hood is like, is like wedged up a little because you like wedged under a truck or something.
Kenan
Actually that is a good angle. That does kind of make it look.
Doug
I love this car. I love.
Kenan
Well, you want one?
Filippo
Buy it now.
Doug
I don't hate this powertrain either.
Kenan
No, they can just buy it whenever. I think they're just gonna have every night. The point of this is I don't think they're gonna depreciate like we thought the, like the Elise has that got to a $35,000 car?
Doug
Although did you see the Elise we sold today?
Filippo
Yes.
Doug
Pull this up. Here's a news story for you. We sold this Elise SC which was 166 of. 166 of these American for 65,500 United States.
Filippo
They're taken back up. Elise's are the nice.
Doug
Elises are up, mileage is a little low, etc. But like this. And it's an SC obviously, but like damn.
Filippo
Yep.
Kenan
You can still get into an ELISA, ride between 35 and $45,000. You still can all day long.
Doug
Yeah. But part of the reason they're so desirable is because they are Toyota powered and manual transmission. Lovely things. Move on to our next news story, please.
Filippo
Okay, the Audi Q9. We've been talking about how Audi is going to build a new like a full size suv. This is, it hasn't been fully revealed, but the interior has and apparently the interior is the most luxurious Audi interior ever. Wow.
Doug
Who said that? An objective, an objective journalist.
Filippo
Every journalist that saw the car. You can, you can take from that whatever you'd like.
Doug
This thing does look.
Kenan
Boss, it does look good.
Filippo
They should offer that. Mercedes Benz Maybach would offer that paint color.
Doug
And on the interior, and on the
Kenan
interior they call it hurricane or twister or something like that.
Filippo
Yeah. And I'm glad for Audi that this is coming because, well, the Q7's been around.
Doug
Q7 is ancient. Q7 is absolutely ancient. And it's unbelievable to me. Yeah, it came out in 17.
Filippo
17.
Doug
17. The current body, Q7.
Filippo
It may have been 2016, but I think it was a 2017 model year.
Doug
You know, it's amazing to me because that segment is still pretty hot. That whole segment, full size and Gls came out in 20. I know Q7 came out in 17. X7 came out in 21 maybe.
Filippo
Yeah. With a 23.
Doug
It's the newest car and it's six years old. Six model years old. And the best thing that happened to any of them is that Justin Timberlake got arrested for DUI in the X7, the facelift X7. He knew what he went and got
Filippo
the new one, the Q9, though he'll
Doug
be in a Q9 next summer.
Filippo
Seeing Sagaponic will be important for Audi, certainly. And so it's glad it's coming to fruition. The interior, by the way, has a bunch of screens. Doesn't have black or like the piano black plastic anymore. It looks like every other.
Kenan
Well, Audis have been kind of killing interior since then.
Filippo
They kind of went down for a little bit.
Kenan
Sixth generation.
Filippo
They got a little iffy for a bit.
Doug
Do we have a release date date on this vehicle?
Filippo
It's going to be revealed in full on July 28th.
Doug
Okay. So it'll probably go on sale this fall.
Filippo
Yeah, yeah, I assume so because this looks production.
Doug
This is real heavy tariffs pay.157.
Filippo
A few weeks ago we did not talk about this, but there's also a redesign Volkswagen Atlas. And that's all we're going to say about that.
Doug
Presumably this will also spawn a Porsche variant. Yep.
Filippo
There will be a full size Porsche
Doug
suv Lamborghini variant, the URUS Plus. No, probably not. But there will be a Porsche based on this.
Filippo
There will absolutely be a Porsche. Yeah.
Doug
And that's great. Maybe that's cool.
Filippo
Maybe there'll be a new Q7 eventually. Who knows I'm ready. Or Q8, who knows?
Doug
I'm ready and excited.
Kenan
Ready to see them around successful suburban areas.
Doug
I do think it's wild that there hasn't been a new Q7 in however long and that the Q5, when you break it says Quattro. I was behind one the other day. You didn't watch my Q5 review.
Filippo
Incredibly, I did the whole thing.
Doug
The third brake light, when you stop, go to Q, go to Audi Q5 quattro brake light. Type that in. How do you now this is like the quirkiest thing that's ever happened. No, Q6 doesn't do that. It's a normal car, but the Q5
Filippo
is a more normal car.
Doug
Quadruple brake light's one of the things when you brake. Oh yeah, it says click on this. It literally reflects down onto the rear glass.
Filippo
I do love that.
Doug
You haven't been behind a new Q5.
Filippo
Apparently not.
Doug
When you get behind a new Q5, watch.
Filippo
This says a lot about.
Doug
It's very clear what happens. It says quattro. It's this whole big thing. I love that it reflects from up here down backwards. Reflects onto the rear glass so that people behind you see that it sits.
Filippo
I have a true love of cars that have full width third brake lights.
Doug
And so does this count because it's not technically, you know, it's a projection.
Filippo
Well, the brake light is also that.
Doug
Okay.
Kenan
I wore the same pair of glasses for way too long. Scratched up lenses, bent frames, a prescription that was probably two years out of date. I kept putting, putting off replacing them because the whole process felt like such a hassle. Go to an optician, wait around, pick up from a limited selection and get upsold on stuff you don't need. And drop $400 before you even walk out the door. Warby Parker completely flipped that. The first thing that got me was the virtual try on. You literally point your phone at your face and try on frames in real time. Not janky. It actually works. And even producer Sean is loving his Warby Parker sunglasses. Look at him rocking those wonder fitting glasses on his big chrome Domus. Prescription glasses start at just 95 bucks and the quality is premium. You can really feel it. They've got contacts, sunglasses, online, eye exams, 300 plus stores if you want to go in person. And for every pair sold, they give a pair to someone in need. Over 20 million pairs donated. Hard to not feel good about that. And right now, buy one prescription pair and get 20% off any additional pairs@warbyparker.com that's 20 off additional prescription pairs when you go to W a r b y-parker.com cars.
Doug
All right, next news story, please. This is a good one. The Chrysler Pronto.
Filippo
All right, so years and years and years ago, there was a concept car that was called the Pronto.
Doug
I think that this is the Chrysler Pronto Cruiser.
Filippo
I think you're right.
Doug
And that the Chrysler Pronto was actually a.
Filippo
Had a front bar.
Doug
It was a convertible Plymouth Pronto. That's what it was. Okay, so there was the Plymouth Pronto Spider and it was like a mid engine two seat roadster. This. Yeah, if they had done that, it would have turned the whole company around.
Filippo
That looks like a Saturn sky.
Kenan
Well, there's some spiker in there.
Doug
It looks like a Vaxall VX220.
Filippo
Yeah.
Doug
Which they did do. And you know what? It didn't change. It didn't turn General Motors related to.
Filippo
Yeah, it does look like that. Okay. But regardless, this was a concept in the early 2000s or late 90s. There was news this week that last fall Chrysler showed their deep budget dealers that they have a very low price, around $20,000 MSRP concept that they're calling the Pronto. And there's a concept for Chrysler, there's also a concept at that price point for the Jeep and the Ram brands. And so clearly Stellantis is going to deep on. Hey, should we be bringing a $20,000 really affordable car to market?
Doug
Now back in the day this was a sports car. But my presumption, although it has not, no more details have come out that I've seen, is that it's probably a compact car.
Filippo
That car, really small suv. They have one that's shared with Jeep and Ram.
Doug
Now with that in mind, do you remember the Dodge Dart?
Filippo
Do I remember? What an insulting question.
Doug
How did that all go?
Filippo
You know, except for the engines that had a lot of blow up issues and the transmissions that also blew up and a bunch of other liability issues,
Doug
that car only went out of production like yesterday. It was a great looking car. And you have, you haven't seen the road in 10 years.
Filippo
There was a version with a 2.4 liter turbo and a six speed manual. And that was a cool car.
Kenan
It was cool.
Filippo
It was.
Doug
I drove one of those from Atlanta. I drove one of those from Atlanta to Charleston, South Carolina and back 13 hours in a Dodge Dart.
Filippo
It's a pretty good car. Wow.
Kenan
That's all you need.
Doug
It's a pretty good small car. It's a good car. The reliability, it was incredibly poorly built. And when I hear a $20,000 car from Chrysler, I remember the Neons. I remember the Darts.
Filippo
The Neons though were reliable.
Doug
You've seen one? Where is one?
Filippo
Well, they were all.
Doug
Where is one they built Neons for?
Filippo
They were all.
Doug
They've been neons, like 2010.
Filippo
When was the last time you saw a Cavalier?
Doug
I see Corollas from that era. 20 million.
Filippo
That's not what I asked. I was very specific in my question.
Doug
You get my point?
Filippo
Yeah.
Doug
And I'm.
Filippo
And obviously that's the caliber you see around. And I was just in Indiana, saw a lot of calibers.
Doug
You know, it is interesting. You see, you see calibers and you see patriots from that gen is a little, you see patriots. Those cars were reviled when they came out, but they've actually ended up being pretty reliable. You know, I got to hand it to Stellantis. I actually, I want to, I want to, I want to take back some, some bad things I've said. We got a Julia in the office here, right?
Filippo
The camera for this, it's going to be a short.
Doug
We got a Julia in the office here. It's got 100,000 miles on it. And I, when that car came out, you and me went to outside D.C. and filmed a video on it 10 years ago.
Filippo
We sure did.
Doug
And, and at the time the complaint about the Giulia was that it was going to be trash because it was built by Chrysler and Alfa and oh my God, this thing in the office, the interior has held up better than any car with 100,000 miles that I've been in. It's like perfect. Have you been in it?
Kenan
Yeah.
Doug
There's nowhere. I challenge you to find wear in that interior.
Kenan
You challenge me to find where I'm sure I can.
Doug
Except for the driver's seat, which honestly looks like a normal worn driver's seat and a 30,000 mile car. I'll have a look the rest of the interior. There is no fading on the buttons, there is no fade. It's unbelievable.
Kenan
I do know what you mean and it is a big surprise.
Doug
I now take back all the bad things I've said about Stellantis because of the caliber discussion and because of the Giulia. They do build cars that last Stellantis forever. You know, Lotus should think about a Stellantis powertrain in the Amira.
Filippo
Can we talk about the fact that Jeep. Can we talk about the.
Doug
What power the Pentastar Hurricane straight suits.
Filippo
They want a 270 horsepower Pentastar in there here.
Doug
Don't they currently have that? It's like a 3.5 L V6 supercharged 400. You could supercharge a pen hurricane.
Filippo
Hurricane.
Doug
Hurricane straight six. It's like 400 horse hurricane. Got to do a little stretch. The.
Filippo
The rare engine that's shared between a ram hro and a mirror hro.
Doug
It's rh. There's like two of them on the road. So you're given for the mistake.
Filippo
That's what I meant. Regardless, I Want to talk about the Patriot? Because he brought it up.
Doug
Yeah.
Filippo
The Patriot's dead. It's been dead for forever. Yeah, but the compass lived on.
Doug
Yeah.
Filippo
And don't you think that was a mistake? The Patriot was the boxy one. I remember the compass was the slopey one and they kept the slopey one.
Doug
I think that the era of box, in this era, I think the patriot name would probably be better.
Filippo
And it's boxier.
Doug
The compass had a better reputation. It was the nicer of the two. It was more expensive and more upmarket.
Filippo
Boy, did I not think that at the time.
Doug
It was. The patriot was the cheaper one. The compass was the nicer one. They were both trash, obviously.
Filippo
Preface. Regardless the pronto, the caliber died though. The caliber died. Thank God. It was tough. Was not a good car reliable enough, if you want to see.
Doug
Did you know back in Ohio who had calibers Patriots or compasses?
Filippo
Zero. That can't be true.
Kenan
No, I didn't.
Filippo
One of your neighbors had one.
Kenan
No, no, genuinely, because everybody. I grew up in the era of like the Odyssey and the Sienna.
Doug
Yeah, but calibers were around.
Filippo
He grew up in a wealthy town.
Kenan
I saw them. Yeah. In like 2009, I probably saw he was rich.
Doug
In my town, we were lucky if we could stretch to afford a caliber. I tell ya, times were tough.
Filippo
Yep. Agreed. The pronto, though, will be some kind of probably subcompact SUV if it happened. If dealers were pushing for a sub 20k car, I don't know if they were or not. Margins would probably be really thin. And so there's a bit of a trade off. Get people in the door. But if Jeep offers a 20k option, can they sell a grand Highlander? Who knows? Regardless, maybe it will happen, maybe it won't.
Doug
What do you mean? If Jeep offers a 20k car, can they sell a grand Highlander?
Filippo
Well, did. They're trying to sell a hundred thousand dollar. Sorry. Grand Wagoneer is what I meant. Sorry.
Doug
Yeah, yeah.
Filippo
It would be like a wide.
Doug
I'm going to spoil the surprise on that one. Even without a $20,000 car, Jeep hasn't been able to successfully sell.
Filippo
What are you talking about? The 2027 model year. Wagoneer after 2026 didn't exist.
Doug
They took the year off.
Filippo
Took the year off. There will be an Extended range EV Grand Wagoneer coming.
Doug
Oh, my God. With 728 miles of range.
Filippo
Yeah, yeah. Because it's a normal fuel tank plus a battery.
Doug
All right. I'm pro Grand Wagoneer. This is another example of why I think Stellantis is off the hook. They make great reliable guns that can go long distances.
Filippo
Okay, credit to Stellantis at this couple of fun facts. First of all, they were the first and for a while the only people to have a plug in hybrid like SUV that wasn't like a German luxury car.
Doug
The only people that have a plug
Filippo
in the Wrangler 4XE. The, the, the Grand Cherokee 4 by E. These were like real interesting advanced plug in hybrid vehicles.
Doug
There doesn't. Isn't there like a Kia Sento and all that? Oh wait. The Mitsubishi Outland off roaders is really about the Mitsubishi outland off road. Mitsubishi Outland off Roaders is what I mean. I want you to issue an Mitsubishi.
Filippo
They, they. I'm pretty sure that they sold more Wrangler 4 by than Mitsubishi sold in the US for years ever. But also they had cars like the Grand Wagoneer S, which is the single fastest SUV under, under $100,000.
Doug
Now it was technically the Wagoneer S.
Filippo
What did I say?
Doug
You said Grand Wagoneer S, which I'm getting confused today. They have problems.
Filippo
I'm having problems today. I, I can't make mistakes.
Doug
Grand Wagoneer, Grand Cherokee, Cherokee, Grand Cherokee, Grand Renegade, Nobody knows.
Filippo
Grand Renegade.
Doug
This is the Grand Renegade right here.
Filippo
Why don't they have move on to
Doug
the next news is the Grand Renegade is the Wrangler.
Kenan
Thank goodness. Moving on from Scientus to something exotic. This is the Lamborghini Fenamino. So you're familiar with this car. Last year they came out with a coupe version of this car. No, sorry. Go back to sleep. You might remember this. So this is the limited edition Lamberty based on the VTO. It has that same hybrid V12 power plant. This makes 1065 horsepower. Now that car came out last year. We saw that car at Pebble Beach. Now they've announced they have a convertible version of it, the coupe. They only built 29 examples of them. They're going to build 15 of these.
Filippo
I was there when they announced it. Yes, you were there. I do know about it.
Kenan
Yes, the Quail.
Doug
You were not there.
Kenan
We were all three there. No, he wasn't paying attention.
Doug
Is it phenomenal?
Filippo
I mean it's Lamborghini, so they do Spanish wins. So I don't know.
Doug
Oh, so you don't know.
Kenan
Oh, it's right.
Doug
How would you say it in Italian? Phenomenal. This is cool.
Kenan
It's cool. The things with this is, with the roadster version of it, they tried to kind of hide some of the Arrows they could maintain the sort of same level of downforce. So we're very careful about the rear treatment of the car.
Doug
Is this the roadster?
Kenan
This. For some reason our producer has chosen
Filippo
to leave the coupe.
Kenan
I was gonna say they explicitly asked also for a picture of the window which doesn't exist. But the window's weird because it comes. It goes like this and then it goes down. Down. It's like this weird shape. Yeah. Look at this window.
Filippo
I love that.
Kenan
Ridiculous.
Doug
So I don't know. It's like the spiker C8 kind of.
Kenan
No. That had a metal bar in the middle but.
Doug
But there was window on top that had no frame. It didn't make a curve. But it's sort of like that. The CLK GTR is also like this.
Kenan
I'll bet though when you close this. Unlike the spike when you close the door and it goes. I know no one has ever closed the door on a Spyker C8 but that's exactly what it does.
Doug
I want to talk to you about some something.
Filippo
Sure.
Kenan
Lamborghini wise. But nonetheless. These are like I said, limited edition
Doug
car revueltos are collapsing in the used market.
Filippo
Are they?
Kenan
Are they really? So this might be the one that
Doug
actually in the used market the SF90 Revuelto price point just has not been a place where the automakers are finding stability. The 12 cylindries are also selling under sticker even though the car's been out for like an afternoon. It came out less than a year ago in the States. That.
Kenan
That is interesting. I do have to say with the Revolto they've produced a lot of them and have gotten them to customers very quickly. So certainly supply is not low.
Doug
Yeah, well that's the problem. But 700 GS there's apparently not support. The revolto's done better than SF90 so far.
Filippo
But they're more appealing product.
Doug
It is a more appealing product.
Filippo
It's also been on the market for two years less but.
Doug
Right. That's true. And so you wonder if we're going to see SF90 type depreciation with Rufuelto. Aventador is held so strong. Strong they have.
Kenan
And they made a gazillion of those.
Doug
Yep.
Kenan
So that is an interesting point. If you combine all of the Bitini V12 is it all Bitzerini V12 or all Lamborghinis? It's only the Bitzerini V12.
Doug
Combine every Mira Countach, Diablo and Mercy all together probably.
Kenan
And 350gt.
Doug
I would imagine it's less than the production of.
Kenan
Of that's pretty wild. And when I think about it. How often do you see Aventador?
Doug
Not even. That is rare.
Filippo
So my wife sent me a picture of one two days ago and the ones that. Wow.
Doug
163 here in town. Yep. In the city.
Kenan
Yep.
Doug
Or up there. Down here by the zoo.
Filippo
Yeah.
Doug
Oh, it's going to scare the animal.
Kenan
It's an equestrian town, but yeah, that's a nonetheless like, I don't know, cool limited edition car.
Doug
That looks really cool. I think it's kind of 5 million and silly, but like I think it looks cool.
Kenan
Right. I, I don't disagree. But on the topic of new cars, there's another one. So Villa d' Este is upon us.
Filippo
I know. Exciting. I'm so.
Kenan
I know. Why aren't we all there right now? Imagine me at Lake Como.
Doug
I went two years ago and it was an AM experience.
Kenan
It's pro. I don't know. It's one of the best car events of the year, without question. But at this event a lot of new cars are announced and BMW Alpena will be announcing their new collab. Now Alpena has been involved with BMW for a long time, but now it's officially under the BMW umbrella. This will be the first car that comes out as a result of that and they've teased this silhouette of it which is very long and swoopy looking and it kind of looks like the eight series to me.
Doug
It's like a more swoop or do you think it's going to be like a four door AMG GT situation? You know, you don't think this is a four door?
Kenan
I think it's got to be a four door because you could, you could see where the door would be and this would be a hatchback and I would imagine that's like an eight series grand coupe. That's kind of what I think.
Filippo
Yeah.
Doug
Do you remember the Bovin seeping? No. Pull it up.
Kenan
You want to help some spelling there?
Filippo
Yeah, yeah.
Doug
It's spelled just like it sounds.
Kenan
B O V B O V E. There it is.
Filippo
Yeah.
Kenan
Hey, that's pretty close.
Doug
This was an Alpena thing, wasn't it?
Kenan
Oh, I do remember.
Filippo
Yeah.
Doug
I think it looks amazing. It was based on the M4. I guess it's a Zagato thing. I guess it's not related to the Alpena at all.
Filippo
No, no, no. It is because it's family behind Alpena. Alpena that sold Alpena to BMW but they made a standalone project based on them for With Zagato.
Doug
I think it looks cool as hell.
Kenan
I know. Proof that Zagato can actually make a good looking car.
Doug
And so. And so. Excuse me. Zagato has made hundreds of good looking
Kenan
cars when you start to look into it. No, they haven't. There are a lot of really Hanes Agatos.
Doug
Okay, what about the. What about. Oh, the vanquished shooting break.
Kenan
That is a good one. I'll counter it with this. The Ferrari 550 GTZ Vigado, which is one of the ugliest vehicles I've ever seen. Beautiful. The overhangs are. Look at the side profile.
Doug
Good lord. You ever see the 599 version? 599gtz?
Kenan
No.
Doug
There is one, yes. Oh, it's just as bad.
Kenan
599. Oh my God. That's my. That is.
Doug
Yeah.
Kenan
Those are the Alonzo edition wheels.
Doug
Needless to say, that's a $4 million car. Oh, Canon. But you know what was a good looking car? TZ3. TZ3. The one that was based on the Viper.
Filippo
Yeah.
Kenan
Saw that car in person.
Doug
Oh, and how about the DB Aston? The DB?
Kenan
The DB AR1 or the DB?
Doug
It was the coupe that. It was just called the. Wasn't it the DB7 Zagato. I think it was just DB7 Zagato. That was a beautiful car. So take that.
Kenan
I don't think the rear of the car is challenging to me. I don't think.
Doug
I think it looks great.
Kenan
I don't think that looks good.
Doug
That's a beautiful car in that era. That was a beautiful car.
Kenan
No, you know what was beautiful? The normal one and the Vanquish. The.
Doug
The normal DB7 was beautiful.
Kenan
I like the DB7.
Doug
It was fine.
Kenan
Front of this is just not good.
Doug
Beautiful iteration that gave us. That gave us the Vanquish. That front end.
Kenan
This here is blobby. Anyway.
Filippo
I can't believe we're not talking about
Kenan
moving on from the sport.
Doug
Also Zagato problem.
Kenan
The Alpena, which is not related to Zagato in any way. Glad that we had that tangent. Is. Is rolling this out very soon. On Friday we'll see what it looks like. Of course, this video will be in this podcast.
Doug
You'll know already.
Kenan
You'll know. We do not.
Doug
By the time you're watching this, you'll say, these idiots.
Kenan
You might be in Villa d' Este already staring at the thing.
Filippo
All right.
Doug
Are there other news stories? Surely not. Oh, yeah.
Filippo
So there. There's news this week that there will be a fast and the Furious TV show. At least one. At least one. Vin Diesel is like the produ, the executive producer of it. He has said there will be four. Nobody else has confirmed four, but I confirmed there'll be one. But nevertheless there will be something emerging. One and four spinoffs that he's involved in.
Doug
This week the New Yorker. Last week the New Yorker has a long form article about the cultural impact that the Fast and the Furious has had on Hollywood specifically. But apparently there are actually books, one of which I bought but haven't read yet about the impact of the Fast and the Furious massive which by the way came out 25 years ago in about three weeks.
Filippo
Really.
Doug
We should remember the time about it June of 2001. And one of the things that the New York article says was that the original title was going to be Race Wars. Oh man. Because you know that was the thing in the desert that they were going to. They were going to call it Race Wars. The article also said that Universal has made it's $7 billion. The movies have grossed surprise. It's not higher $7 billion. And it's Universal's longest running franchise ever.
Filippo
Also by the way, if you're curious
Doug
and Furious folks, more than you can afford, pal you if you're curious you
Filippo
should look up why the naming structure is what it is. It has to do with like the rights that they had to use the Fast and the Furious as the name. They couldn't like reuse it in that same way.
Doug
You know, I thought the whole thing was going to die after the third movie because the third movie they all the main actors were gone and it looked like that was going to be
Filippo
the end but then they found a
Doug
way way they found a way.
Filippo
It's like six movie it comes back together.
Doug
It's like when I'm trying to start the Countach, you know and it's like you're like oh is it going to happen? You're pushing the gas and then it goes and it's about done and then it's. Then it comes right back.
Kenan
I hate to tell you doesn't do that for me.
Filippo
It starts every time movie.
Doug
Yeah, I've seen the first three and other than that my seeing of the
Filippo
fifth one is I think the best one.
Kenan
I've only ever seen the first one.
Doug
The first one is the greatest car movie of all time.
Filippo
First one's a great car movie. The fifth one they drag a safe through the seats of R the first
Doug
strong they're Volkswagen to eggs is the greatest car movie of all time. It just is.
Filippo
They're Volkswagen Touaregs.
Doug
The first one, folks. Tell him in the comments. Tell them. I know there's a lot of great car movies, but when you think about cultural impact, when you think about power, and when you think about all those lines. Danger to manifold. More than you can afford, pal. Overnight parts from Japan, all that stuff. Fast One is probably the most impactful car movie of all time.
Filippo
If you want to learn more about it, there's a key channel video all about about it.
Doug
This this discussion brought to you by Filippo Summer is here, which means I've got my annual cross country road trip coming up. And before I take off on any trip, I like to make absolutely sure my vehicle is ready for the road. You might have a trip coming up too. So I've got five things from autozone that'll help you get moving. And the Great thing is AutoZone is everywhere. Which means wherever the road takes you, the parts you need are right there. There. Number one Fix Finder if you've got a dash light on, start with a free fix finder scan at AutoZone. It reads your dashboard, signals engine, ABS maintenance, and prints out a report telling you exactly what's going on. An autozoner can point you to the right part or even refer you to a local shop. Fast, easy, totally free. Number two Fluids. Top everything off and don't forget the easy to overlook windshield wiper fluid, brake fluid and coolant. You can order it all on autozone.com and pick it up the same day. Day number three oil. Always, always, always check it. Look at the level and the color on the dipstick. If it's due, don't wait. Ask an AutoZoner to help you grab the right oil and filter for your engine. Number four the essentials Tires, lights and battery. I always check my tire pressure before leaving. I make sure every light works and I check the wipers while I'm at it for the battery, look for corrosion and get it tested. Autozone does that for free. And number five Brakes and belts squealing or whining during braking time for a replacement. Duralast brakes have a 100% noise free guarantee and a factory matched OEM fit. Need to swap a serpentine belt? AutoZone's Loan A Tool program has you covered and the AutoZone app has your belt diagram right there. When it comes to car prep, a little goes a long way. Take care of your car now and it'll take care of you on the road. And if you need a part or a pit stop, Autozone's got you covered. Wherever the trip takes you. Now let's ride. Okay, I want to move on to the talk car segment. The talk car segment is brought to you by the new Lexus es, which I recently drove for a video.
Kenan
You know what, and you made a great point in our friend group. You talked about this. Why don't you have a Lexus es?
Filippo
That's. I've never wanted a Lexus es.
Doug
He will.
Filippo
I don't buy sedans.
Doug
He's not.
Filippo
I don't buy sedans.
Doug
Give him time.
Filippo
I've owned one sedan of The Kia Spectre 2003.
Doug
You don't understand. The new Lexus ES is higher, like the crown, so it gives an S.
Filippo
No, in fact, incredibly, I do understand.
Doug
I actually. Filippo, I actually have something for you about the Lexus ES that I think that you will appreciate hearing. This is directly from Lexus. In a market overtaken by SUVs, the ES meets the desires of guests who are looking for something different, yet enjoy the spaciousness of an suv. Now, I want to make two points here. First off, they call their customers guests.
Filippo
They call us the team members.
Doug
Team members.
Filippo
I love guests. I love guests. But I want our team members to feel more at home and our community feel more at home. They're part of it. They're not just guests.
Doug
They're not guests. That's true. The people who buy the cars. If you're watching the video right now, you're a guest. How about that? Well, move on. It's not our audience. They are our guests.
Filippo
No, I don't like that.
Doug
Nope. They're our family. Doug. Number two, you need to understand, in a market overtaken by SUVs, it meets the desires of guests who want the spaciousness of an suv.
Filippo
Does it?
Doug
This is you. I can't talk about it. It's under a bargain. I can't talk about it. But what I can talk about is
Filippo
the Lexus tz, which is their new three row ev.
Doug
They did have that there. That's not what I want to talk about either. Believe it or not, Fleet was like, can we please talk about the actual things people care about? No. We're going to talk about something that nobody cares about. And it's called the Lexus lbx. Have you ever heard of this car?
Kenan
I have.
Doug
He's never heard of it.
Kenan
Pull up.
Filippo
Looked it up when you put it in the dock.
Doug
The Lexus LBX is a Lexus car that is not sold in the United States.
Filippo
What a shame.
Doug
And it's A little luxury cr and you're sitting here thinking I don't care about this, I don't want anything to do with this. It doesn't matter to me.
Kenan
It's amazing. You read my mind.
Doug
But it does because there is Coral cross, there is Kenan. Perk up a Morizo edition of this with a 300 horsepower all wheel drive manual transmission.
Kenan
It's called the RR.
Filippo
You are joking.
Doug
I'm dead serious. There is market for what consumer? Do you believe this? So this BS little car which is there is a 300 horse turbo 3 cylinder Marizo edition.
Filippo
What?
Kenan
And I gotta be honest, it looks pretty good.
Doug
It looks pretty good. What with a manual transmission.
Kenan
That's bring that here. That is very cool.
Doug
That's pretty cool.
Filippo
So the LBX is based on a core Corolla, not a Corolla Cross like a GR Corolla. Has to be.
Doug
Well I think it's based on like the Yar. I think that motor is from the GR Yaris, the Mazenger Corolla.
Filippo
But huh.
Doug
I guess it's the same powertrain. Those are the only three cars that you have sold?
Filippo
Australia and Japan.
Doug
Globally. They globally. And it's like globally. I'm on the globe. If you spin a globe, it's going to come to the Americas.
Filippo
It shares the platform, the yards cross.
Doug
Okay, there is a car out there, a Lexus sport utility vehicle. The same company known for making vehicles that put you to sleep. That is a 300 horsepower manual transmission, four wheel drive, little hot hatch.
Filippo
That is a small. If it's based on a Yaris Cross that's so small it's not sold in the US market.
Doug
Folks, the best hot hatch on the market today is being made by Lexus. Pull up an interior photo, let's see if it's any good. I haven't done any research on this car of this.
Filippo
This is incredible.
Kenan
I have to say if Lexus F is continuing, they want to elevate their brand in terms of sportiness and all that.
Doug
They don't.
Kenan
Well they're claiming to by going racing and things.
Filippo
If they did bring this six speed, allegedly the six speed manual a first for Lexus.
Doug
That's incredible.
Kenan
That's amazing.
Doug
I have a feeling this car would
Kenan
do pretty well here if they brought it here.
Filippo
It's so small and also the entire Yaris platform's not.
Doug
I don't think it would do well. But I'm sure they're cautiously awaiting the sales results for the Acura ADX to decide whether or not to bring it which is bigger. Not much if it's that size.
Kenan
That is cool.
Doug
They are small folks, you're missing out on this. Write to your local Lexus dealership.
Filippo
Does Lexus have a presence in Australia outside of the.
Doug
Lexus is a global brand. They told me that ES is sold globally, Europe, Asia, China. I'm like really?
Filippo
Available globally and sold globally are two different statements.
Doug
That's sad. Felipe, how can you say that about the.
Filippo
What. What a great find. How. How did you discover this?
Doug
I. Cause I was looking to see. At one point I wanted to see how many sedans Lexus had at one point had and how many they've come down to now. Five, by the way. At one point they had five.
Filippo
Now they have two.
Doug
They have two. And the is who knows if that gets redesigned. And then so I was on like the model line and then I see this thing and I'm like, what the hell?
Filippo
This is incredible.
Doug
So I click on it thinking it's going to be boring, which obviously most of them are. And I discover this.
Filippo
This is incredible. Incredible.
Doug
And by the way, it stands for lbx stands for Lexus Breakthrough Crossover.
Filippo
I do remember the game we did for the Cars and Beds channel where we had to figure out what they were all named after. So I appreciate you mentioning that.
Doug
Lexus Breakthrough Crossover. Anyway, Kenan, what do you got for us?
Kenan
Ah, yes. So I have a video out on my channel. I did something. You did something to my mic. M5. I gonna show this. Yes.
Doug
This is terrible. I would conceal it and pretend it never happened.
Kenan
Well, I. I tell the truth to people, Nick.
Doug
Roshan would conceal it and tell people it never happened and then sell the car. Yep.
Kenan
Well, I'm never selling the car. So this happens to my M5.
Doug
Now I pulled hit a small animal.
Kenan
I. That's not true. There are no small animals. There are no animals in San Diego, period.
Doug
Hit a moose.
Kenan
I hit a moose. Yeah. No, like the A class I. Anyway, so I pulled slightly over a cement parking barrier and it had two metal barbs sticking up. I did not see that. I also didn't hear it. I have dash cam footage of this and I backed up and just went, oh, how tragic. God. And you can see because of the dash cam is right there. I get out of the car and you can see me go like this looking at it. And it did quite a bit of damage which I'm going to. Luckily, none of it's serious. All of it caused cosmetic, but all of it very expensive. The bumper, the belly pan, you remember How I replaced those fender liners. I was so proud. Well, I had to do it again one side because I snapped it. If this snapped the brake duct, it snapped all of this stuff underneath.
Doug
I thought you just replaced the bumper.
Kenan
No, I had to replace a lot because it broke a lot of things. This like got stuck and ripped all in one spot. And they're all attached there and it ripped all of them.
Doug
But you were driving it around after it happened.
Kenan
Yeah, cuz I removed all that stuff like I put right there. I took off the belly pan, I took off the throttle bumper.
Doug
You know, a lot of folks say, and I'm not one of them, Filippo. I bet a lot of folks say if you remove that stuff and then you drove around with it gone, maybe you didn't need it in the first place. You need it.
Kenan
So I say that. Let's take it out. Nobody says that. So yes, it was tough. I did have to drive around with the car a little bit. Nothing mechanical happened. Luckily it didn't hurt the belly pan or the oil pan rather for the car. But nonetheless it was really difficult. But now I do have a new bumper, new fresh paint on the front of it. Looks lovely.
Doug
I want to give some real advice to people who, for whom this happens. If you've driven over a parking curb and you realize you drove over a parking curb, the only thing to do in order to prevent this from happening is to keep driving straight. Go over the parking curb with the whole car instead of backing up.
Kenan
No, the only thing you can't. I mean because people say well so oh, you could pump up your tires and stuff. It's like this would not have been enough clearance to deal with it.
Doug
Quick jacks.
Kenan
Yes. Let me just grab those out of my trunk. Cuz I carry those around like that doesn't happen. If I the there was really like also I didn't know I had done it. Had I known that I do know.
Doug
Do you agree you would have just kept going straight?
Kenan
No, it's a low. Of course not. If it outrageous statement when I could
Doug
have would have worked there. A lot of cars. The front's the lowest part.
Filippo
Yeah, but you are.
Kenan
I could have maybe found some wood and put it on there and backed up and that would have lifted the front.
Filippo
That would have been. I like that.
Kenan
But I mean I was in downtown San Diego at my gym. Where am I gonna go find some?
Filippo
By the way, excellent parking. Quick checks like it's like separated on both sides.
Kenan
Well that was, that was the. That was the worst. Well that was one of the bad parts is I pulled in the spot. I was thrilled because I was blocked by a wall on this side. And it's the dream. It's a car enthusiast. Nobody can dording me. Instead I ripped its face off. So it's like I can't win.
Filippo
I should say it is back to looking great.
Kenan
Yeah. The car looks amazing. Now I'm super happy with it. But it was very expensive. I go into all this in the video and it was. It was 15 seconds that cost me thousands of dollars.
Doug
How many thousands?
Kenan
Almost four.
Filippo
Damn.
Kenan
But there was something I wanted to learn. There was something I did want to point out because I worry about parts of this car not being available. Bumpers. They did a whole set of bumpers in 2024. There are thousands of them.
Doug
That's good.
Kenan
So you can still get bumpers for this car. Which is nice.
Filippo
Glad to hear it.
Kenan
Other parts you can't. But nonetheless it was.
Filippo
Bumpers are important.
Kenan
My point I want to make with this is even as careful as I am, things do happen to cars if you use them. I've driven the thing almost 100,000 miles now. And so it. You know, stuff happens and it's a. Ultimately I repaired it. We move on with our lives. But it was. You want to talk about exposure therapy? You remember how I was all upset about the little scuff I had on the front bumper right there.
Filippo
It's fixed.
Kenan
This was much worse.
Doug
Yeah. But now it's gone. So in a way this is actually detrimental to you. Cuz you got that fixed.
Kenan
Yeah. But I lived. I had to live with no face on the front of the car for a while. That was worse.
Doug
It didn't have a face. It'd be like if I took Filippo's jaw and just.
Kenan
That's right.
Doug
Yep.
Kenan
So I was. This was hard. But I. You know, it also was making me start to think.
Doug
About selling the car?
Kenan
No, about getting a daily.
Filippo
Oh my God.
Kenan
About getting a daily and tucking this away. Cuz it's like we're selling the car. This just wasn't. No.
Doug
I did think about a couple days ago. I think maybe you should sell the car. I was.
Filippo
Were you really thinking of that?
Doug
Yeah.
Kenan
No, I'm not selling the car.
Doug
I'll get into it with you later. Off camera.
Kenan
Yeah. It's not going to happen. You've tried. There's no point. Don't wait your breath.
Doug
Filippo, you want to talk about the. You went to an event. Yeah.
Filippo
We at Cars and Bits were at a Cars and coffee that we put on alongside Tyra and one UP of America and the American Bridgewater Association. And I was there alongside a couple folks from our team and it was very nice. I talked to like hundreds of people from the South Bend area that came down from like hours and hours away.
Doug
Hours and hours away. And they were all from the south area.
Filippo
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Point take it.
Doug
It's a big port. It's a big metro. It was Fort Worth.
Filippo
I really though appreciate it talking to everybody there. It was very nice. There's some gifts that I need to give you. One of. From one of our viewers and somebody give a little pin for Ryan. He of noac. Ryan.
Doug
Ryan Lopez got something.
Filippo
Yeah. But it was very nice to kind of connect with so many people in Seawall.
Doug
What was the most interesting car there? Anybody bring an lbx?
Filippo
No, sadly. But somebody did pull up in a Saturn Ion redline with his dad and his dad was like one of the chief engine engineers behind the LS series of engineers. Engines at GM and a bunch of the other like kind of GM engines that we know.
Kenan
A goddamn hero.
Filippo
He pulled up in a four cylinder Saturn.
Doug
I'm still looking for an Ion red line to review.
Kenan
Are you?
Doug
Oh yeah. Are you kidding? Those cars are incredible.
Filippo
The. The Ion SC whatever or a first
Doug
year with the removable with the two tone upper and lower. You know what, the first years they have these removable body. It's a whole thing.
Filippo
I don't remember that.
Kenan
No.
Doug
And four spoke wheels. The Ion was cool when it first came out and they kind of like deconstant.
Filippo
All Saturns were kind of great for a bit. I love that series.
Doug
It was a short bit. Unfortunately we don't know that because I have a Saturn video I'm not releasing. I don't want anybody to know what's in those files.
Filippo
Can I talk about another event though?
Doug
We have. Yes, but for two seconds. All right.
Filippo
We have an event coming up, Velocity Invitational. We have an incredible lineup of cards that will be there in person and then ending on May 3rd 30th. There's a link in the bio here for the. If you're on. If you're watching on YouTube, go to the page where we have all the auctions that are live. By the time this podcast goes out, there will be 18, if not a little more auctions live with some truly special cars.
Doug
The cars we have at this are unboxed. How did you find these cars? Did you do anything you. You.
Filippo
But mostly not. No. I don't know these Cars, but we have a 430scud.
Doug
You should see.
Filippo
We have a Julia TZ1.
Doug
Can. May I talk about the car?
Kenan
You may well, yes, because one of the cars. I am representing my hub.
Doug
What is.
Kenan
Is there. This Lamborghini Huracan Performante. So this car is going to be there. Will be there. Filippo will be there.
Doug
You did this one.
Kenan
I am personally doing this one. Video. Yes. I did a video on this car and I'm representing it for the owner. And it will be there, which I'm very excited about.
Doug
Kenan went out to north Alabama the other day. I looked at Kenan's location. He was in Florence, Alabama. I was like, what in God's name is Kenan doing there?
Kenan
This is what I was doing.
Doug
He was with this Performante, the owner of this car.
Kenan
I'm going to be helping him with several of his cars. So he has this Agarda Superleggera and a Garda LP552 Spider. And he has an St. Stl Really Nice STL Alabama, which, if you're not familiar, is truly. Go to the middle of nowhere, turn left and go some more. That's Florence, Alabama.
Doug
He's got a bunch of Lambos. Does he have a Mark 4 Super Turbo?
Kenan
He does not have a Mark 4 Super Turbo.
Doug
Okay, this is cool. The cars we have are unreal.
Filippo
There's a 991 speedster. Like, no miles and a narrow body. 1989 speedster.
Doug
You don't have a nine speedster.
Filippo
I don't know anything.
Doug
Of course, Filippo brings up Porsches.
Filippo
And also there'll be an incredibly low miles.
Doug
Cosworth.
Filippo
There'll be an incredibly low mile. R34 GT R V Spec.
Doug
Midnight Purple.
Filippo
Midnight Purple. It's a special, special car. These will all be live when you're watching this, by the way, so go check them out.
Doug
Go check them out. These. This is the coolest cars we've ever auctioned in our entire life. As an auction, it's a pretty serious
Filippo
group of cars if I'm across the 18 cars. I was doing the math earlier. It's something like four and a half million dollars in cars.
Doug
Oh, damn it.
Filippo
A lot.
Doug
Filippo. Filippo, the math man is salivating at the revenue opportunity for cars. Our.
Filippo
Our fee is cap. And so our take, our effective take rate will be very, very low on cars.
Doug
Make money says, ooh, cars and bids.
Filippo
That' exactly what I say.
Kenan
That is exactly what he said.
Doug
It is Flippa does when he goes home, folks, it is my literal job. I want to Move on to the market report. Speaking of this stuff, I want to move on to the market report, which of course is brought to you by Cars and Bids. Cars and Bids. Oh, Sean's looking at me. No, Sean, don't go back down.
Kenan
Put the headphones back on.
Doug
Cars Bids is the finest auction platform on the planet for anything. No cars or not. It's even better than all the other stuff.
Kenan
Yeah, we've auctioned all their stuff.
Filippo
We have auctioned a couch once.
Doug
There's even Cars and Bids, there's now Even Cars and Friends, which is a great podcast, buds.
Kenan
But we'll move on.
Doug
I did a video recently with Jason Kamisa and it was quite something.
Filippo
I have yet to watch it, but
Doug
I'm told it's great.
Filippo
There's better. Some controversial ones coming.
Doug
There's better ones coming. That was good. There's better ones coming. We even did a video. Jason and Doug share their controversial automotive opinions.
Filippo
Please. Teeth. Teeth. One.
Doug
Okay. One of mine is that Filippo shouldn't be allowed to drive.
Filippo
I'm a pretty good driver. Never been an accident.
Kenan
Agrees with that.
Filippo
Never like injured a car.
Doug
Okay, I want to move on to the market report eventually. The market report actually of course is brought to you by the Lexus lbx. The Lexus lbx. It is the best hot hatch for sale today.
Filippo
Sadly not for sale in the US Global view. I want one. I want Filippo.
Doug
Give us one market report and then Kenan's gonna give us one. And then we're gonna move on to the questions.
Filippo
Okay, let's talk about things that I like, which is cheap full size SUVs.
Doug
Let's talk about that XR.
Filippo
No, no, start with the Q7.
Doug
You know what? I gave you this X50. You owe me big.
Filippo
Okay, we sold this Q7 for $16,000. The Q7, still the same as this generation, hasn't changed.
Doug
But on top it looks great and
Filippo
it has a bunch of legitimately good performance mods. 034 motors, good audi modifier modif.
Doug
This is a $16,000 car and it looks beautiful.
Filippo
It's like 90 something thousand.
Doug
So the XC90 was even more important.
Filippo
The XC90 we failed to sell. Failed to sell. Although it is in the right ballpark for value. Cuz I. I've looked at IC90s.
Doug
So I send this XC90 to Filippo. I send this X90. I sent it to two people, Filippo and my buddy Perry. And I sent it to both of them.
Filippo
Why don't you send it to us?
Doug
I don't know I don't know but I sent it to both of them. We're on. One text I sent individual. I sent to both of them and I said I can't believe it's a $15,000 used car. And they both said yeah. And it and a lot and it almost looks like a brand new one.
Filippo
It does.
Doug
And I was thinking to myself, almost. I'm like, no, they both. No one can tell it apart from a new one. Most people can't tell apart from new one. I said most people I can't tell it apart from. I have no clue. To me if I saw my neighbor get one of these like damn, they just got a new.
Filippo
There was a facelift in 25 which looks worse part of it. It is incredible. So this is.
Doug
It's a $15,000 car.
Kenan
Does not look like it.
Filippo
20, 20, 23 had a bunch of upgrades to the plug in hybrid.
Doug
But nevertheless you could buy this and look rich today.
Filippo
You would look rich and you'd be safe.
Kenan
No, the point of this is like I was talking about as a daily to retire the M5 as a daily. It's like there are a lot of.
Doug
If you can't drive an XC9.
Kenan
No, obviously I can't. But like there are. There are appealing options out.
Doug
Go Back to that Q7.
Filippo
The Q7.
Doug
Look at it again. I just want to see the.
Filippo
They're all general, all of them incredibly. Just that one was a beautiful color with some.
Doug
Look at these results. These 13,000 for 17.
Filippo
I know it's appeal it wow.
Doug
148 for this. This is a brand new looking car.
Filippo
It is truly incredibly appealing.
Doug
Current design.
Filippo
Yes, it's incredibly appealing. We have our station wagon which I love and will keep for a long time. But my wife has always wanted either a V6 RAV4 that was her dream car for years or an XC90. XC90. You know it could be something that we make happen for 15 grand.
Doug
Well, you know you can get an early XC90 for like two first gen. Pull up XC90.
Filippo
She's a seventh, she's a second gen
Doug
fan or order by lowest price. Let's see how cheap these got.
Filippo
Oh, free. Look at this.
Doug
That is to this day. I'm going to go out on a limb. Click on that one. That is to this day the greatest looking SUV of all time.
Filippo
E53 X5.
Kenan
Yeah, I put the X5 in as well.
Doug
This is the greatest.
Filippo
I do Love these. Yamaha V8.
Doug
Yamaha V8 straight pipette.
Filippo
Although this one there was a Few years when it wasn't the Yamaha V8.
Doug
All right, Kenan, can you give us a market report please?
Kenan
Yes. I noticed something interesting this past week. So we sold a car that. I'm not sure it's going to come up like that.
Filippo
It's sold. So. Yes, that more.
Kenan
Oh wait, we have a lot of Chevy. Really did not realize it turns out also.
Filippo
Oh yeah. Wow. My goodness. This closed three days ago. There's 12.
Kenan
Yeah, we sold.
Filippo
We sold.
Doug
Did you see the result here?
Filippo
Just so people know if they are in, we have 275 cars live at any given moment. Now 55 a day, you got to
Kenan
scroll back in the day. Yeah. But six years ago almost we start.
Doug
Yeah.
Kenan
So this is a 1922 Chevy Four Night Touring. So this is a pre war car. This is a brass era, which is completely incorrect, that ended in 1915. But this car, this car, this sold for 4,720American dollars. Now here's the thing. This is like a canary in the coal mine to me. When I think about like, you know, a lot of people talk about like oh, cars from the 1950s. The generation that appreciates those is diminishing. We'll say. Yeah, and what's going to happen to those cars? This, this is what is going to happen to those cars.
Doug
Type in Chevelle. Type in Chevelle.
Kenan
Yeah.
Doug
I had a buddy, a neighbor of mine sell his shop, Chevelle. This car 47, he sold it for and he had bought it years ago on bring the trailer and he modded it, made it nice. It's a really nice car.
Kenan
It looks nice. Yeah.
Doug
And he sold it for about what he paid for. He put a lot of money and it sold about what he paid for. I think he was disappointed. But I've been watching over at the. Bring the trailer. The old Porsches, it ain't pretty. The really old ones, modern stuff. The993 is the modern air cooled. And this is a trend. This is so clearly happening. This car is definitely a bit of a bellwether because it's really old. Four grand. I mean come on. It is non running but the car probably is four moving parts. Right?
Filippo
Right.
Kenan
Yeah. Let's say you get double the amount that's into it. Like, I mean, you know what I mean? It's not.
Filippo
Yeah, yeah.
Doug
But that Chevelle, old 911s, long hoods, the kind of stuff Sean's into, the. This world, this world is changing.
Kenan
I agree.
Doug
The 60s stuff, the 50s stuff, the 20s stuff.
Kenan
Right. I realize this is a bit of a stretch, but my point remains. Like, I think this is a signal, Jerry. And as you see, see, all of these cars, all these modern Ferraris and all these more modern cars from kind of our era become expensive. The changing of the guard is happening. And like, you know, even like David Lee's 250 GTO result, like people said, that was low. It's like, I don't know.
Doug
I think that's kind of incorrect and probably falling. Yeah, exactly. There will be a time when the 250 GTO is not the world's most expensive car. Granted, it's that Mercedes that sold for 150 million, but that was like a one of one. Like the 250 GT as a theme, I suspect will eventually get replaced by vehicles such as the Career GT with the Formula one powertrain, which it does
Kenan
not have, of course, but nonetheless, an interesting case study.
Doug
It is an interesting case study.
Filippo
Since you brought up Porsches, can I say one thing about Porsche market?
Doug
Okay, here we go.
Filippo
Look up.
Kenan
What. What tidbit are you going to hit us with here? We haven't heard before.
Doug
We got to talk about Porsches today.
Kenan
He's just a Porsche guy. God. You know him getting a 9 11.
Filippo
Click on that blue one. That the 20, 20 911. 10,000 miles, Miami blue.
Doug
Yep.
Filippo
Sticker on it was 137. Yep. So with old Porsches going down, new Porsches, apparently, even automatic Super 992s that are so replaceable are at.
Kenan
Because it takes no to own one. I think that's part of it.
Doug
But there's. Even for an enthusiast, you know, that's. It's a good daily.
Kenan
Great daily. It's a great daily at.
Filippo
@msrp. 60 years later, if you. I don't get it.
Doug
If you've got something special in the garage you want to preserve, like a Mark 4 supra. This is a good day. Yeah.
Filippo
By the way, obviously, good photos, no
Doug
reserve, etc, but so in good color and low miles. Because it's not like they made money on it. I mean, they only drove. They only got 10,000 miles out of six years. So there was a barely driven car and it still dropped. But your point is.
Filippo
Well, it still dropped.
Doug
You know, a Highlander, right. You wouldn't. You would have lost more money on a Highlander, people. Oh, the Porsches are so expensive. Well, actually, tco, the Highlander is more expensive somehow. Yeah. Okay, time for the questions. Time for the questions. The questions, of course, are brought to you by Kenan's hair, Kenan's hair.
Kenan
There's lots of it and it's very thick.
Doug
You too can ask your own question. You can't have hair like that.
Filippo
No, not. I've tried. It does not work.
Kenan
I feel very lucky as I'm 30, I have lots of hair.
Doug
But you can ask a question. You go to carsandbids.com, you click somewhere on the Community tab, then you click somewhere in there and you go to the podcast.
Filippo
Also, there's a link in the description.
Doug
Okay, questions, we want your good questions this week. They were pretty good. So we're going to answer a few few of them starting with one us. It's like Lewis, but the one is an L. The L is a one. Hey Doug, curious on pre production cars after I saw the EX60 video, do they let you drive it? Just not review it? When you do drive them, are they really rough? No. Usually the pre production cars when I get them to review are actually production cars that they claim are pre production cars. They usually are made on the assembly line. They usually are made with basically all the same tolerances and stuff, but there might be a few little things that aren't quite working perfectly. The main reason that we're not allowed to actually drive a driving review pre production cars is it's an embargo thing. They don't want me to have an advantage over other people. Whatever. They don't want to kind of piecemeal give out cars to people. So there's going to be a actual launch that where they actually have people drive the cars all at once so they can do a true embargo release of all the reviews.
Filippo
I remember the Ford Bronco for you being an exception to that. Right?
Doug
There have been a few that I've done cars that were basically concept cars that weren't actually running. But stuff like the EX16, I've done it with a bunch of other cars actually where they're pre production. But like the ID buzz I did a long time ago, it was pre production but like it was production but they want to tell you that it's pre production to kind of couch any potential issues. And there might be some potential issues, but usually the cars are pretty much ready to go. They just. You can't. That's if you're going to release a car, you can't release it to one person. You have to wait until all the production ready cars and all the people are at the same place. And that's just the fair way to do it. We're all about fairness here. Next question from Ryan D79. Kevin. This is for us. Dear Doug, in general, you seem to prefer unmodified cars. During the WS6 video, though, you mentioned how good the aftermarket shift knob was. Yeah, but you should see how good the OE one is. You tell them what was your favorite modification? Are there any modifications that you thought you wouldn't like that you did like? I'm not opposed to modifications.
Kenan
I'm not. Particularly in the case of reliability. That's a big one. Or usability. So, for instance, like adding a Bluetooth module to a car or something that gives you the ability to stream your phone to the car. Fantastic. Makes the user experience much better, more or less.
Doug
All of my cars are modified. That car is not. But the other ones, I mean, we added an axle lift and a Bluetooth and heated seats to the Courier gt. The Countach got a built motor. Hell yeah.
Filippo
Hell yeah.
Doug
The Ford GT's got stuff. I mean, they. All. The short shifter and exhaust, they all have stuff. I'm not opposed to modifications. I just. Some people. And I'm not gonna. I'm not gonna name anybody. I don't want to embarrass Ryan Lopez, but some people take it a little far.
Kenan
Well, when you, when you completely transform the experience of the car in a way that makes it objectively worse and harder to use because it bottoms out on a leaf. Like, it just is not like, reasonable. Like, I just don't like that. Like, I want to use the car I drive. So, like.
Doug
Exactly. You know, I think that the. That some. That the modifications I don't like are the ones that either drastically change the look from a car that's look I already liked, or ones that change the driving experience to make it significantly worse. Now there's arguments over what worse could be. Ryan would argue that his drift car is better because of how he modified it, which may be true, but he also can no longer drive the car. Right. Right.
Kenan
I have not seen it leave this office a long time. Sits over there.
Filippo
But he can drift. Drift the car.
Doug
He can drift the car also.
Kenan
Never seen him do that.
Doug
Never seen him do that.
Kenan
See him drive to cars and coffee and it sits statically there. But yeah, that's. So that's where the. Yeah. Especially the reliability thing, because there's nothing less cool than breaking down on a car.
Doug
Yeah. So, I mean, I'm not opposed to mods. I just, I, I would. I have a limit. My limit is probably shorter than what most people's limit is. But all my cars are modded in some capacity. I just get it. You put the big wheels on and then this and then that and blackout stuff and it starts to be like, I'm not really into that. Those kinds of. Of mods. That's what I would say.
Kenan
Yeah, exactly. And neither is the market that will then buy your car after that. They're. They.
Filippo
With some exceptions, right?
Kenan
With. Yeah, very far and few between.
Doug
And part of the question is, has there ever been a mod that you thought you wouldn't like that you did like? There are some wheels that I think are okay. Other than that. Yeah, some stuff. I mean, short shifters. Nothing that I go in thinking I'm not going to like.
Kenan
No, there. Yeah, there are definitely some mods I've seen. I saw an R53 Mini, just a nice little red one with white oz wheels on it it and it looked so nice. I was like, that's cool. Like I'm here for that.
Filippo
There's also a lot of like exhausts that do actually sound good or open up an engine note or whatever.
Kenan
Yes, there are some that are approved.
Doug
Okay, next question from Rex7277. Dear Doug, what happened to the bloopers at the end of the video? This is a question for Nick, our editor, not Crazy Nick, who I wouldn't trust to edit pin.
Kenan
God. Oh my God, can you imagine?
Doug
Edit a tin can.
Kenan
I don't disagree. I don't know what that means, but I do want.
Doug
I wouldn't trust Crazy Dick to edit a voice message that James Engelsman sends me from. Anyway, what happened to the bloopers? The answer is I became a professional. I don't have any bloopers. Yep, next question.
Kenan
The editor, Nick, is nodding.
Doug
Very rare. I used to have more, but like I'm pretty good at this now. And it's actually very unusual that I like mess up. And when I do, I usually just start again. There's not much laughter and stuff. Sometimes it happens, but it's rare. It's rare. The tz, we got an Alpha TZ coming. That's. But that's live, right? That's live right now. There's a blooper in this week's video. Take that, Mrrex7277. Next question from DaddyDoug26. We're speeding through these Daddy Doug and friends carmakers saw how iconic the lightweight three seater sports cars like the F1 and T50 are. Why don't other automakers make them now that they see how Gordon Murray was able to, to do it. Gordon Murray was not able to do it. It's an important distinction. The T50 is not legal in the US it's only here under shore display, which is a law created for very special, very limited production cars to come in and be driven by rich guys. And there are airbag regulations that prevent three seater seating arrangement in vehicles. The McLaren Speedtail had the same problem. It also is a three seater one in the center, two the sides. The side seats, even though there are probably airbags somewhere in front of them, are not close enough to the airbag to comply with U.S. regulations. So the Speedtail also was a car that had to be brought on a shore display. You cannot. The question is actually how. Now that they've seen Gordon Murray has been able to mass produce it, why don't other automakers do it? There's no mass production of this. The only way that these cars are allowed to be sold in the US is through their shore display, which hinges on their low production. There will be no other cars unless they could figure out all away to get an airbag in front of those middle passenger, those side passengers. But that's basically impossible because of egress. Like you'd have to put an airbag essentially where the door opening is to get to climbing inside. I don't think it's possible. Anything to add? You wish they had them.
Kenan
Oh God, yes.
Doug
Next question from xt, Ben. This is one for Ken and dear Doug, but it's for Kenan. As you grow older again for Canon, do you find that you have less patience for daily driving a fun car? Will you not tolerate daily in car with sporty suspension, for example, big bolstered seats, etc.
Kenan
Yeah, well, I mean, luckily my daily driver is pretty comfortable as you get older, you know, I have run into situations where I'm like, it doesn't need to be a manual for this situation, which is something I never thought I would say. That said I did buy an automatic and I was like this is. What am I doing? This is boring. And I went back to a have a manual. So I'm not quite there yet. I'm on the precipice.
Doug
But when you drive hard edged cars, do you feel now different than you did when you were 23?
Kenan
I've always felt like this really like
Doug
when you drove those types of cars when you were young, like you occasionally would get r, you know.
Kenan
You know, I like it on occasions. Like I like the, the four day Dona coupe that I drove, that. I mean that thing was I mean that's a race car. Make no mistake about it. And I loved it. But I'm like this is great as a fifth car in your garage. I would not want to that as the second car.
Doug
And you've always felt this way. This hasn't changed as you've gotten older.
Kenan
No, for me no. I, I've always liked to slightly more comfortable.
Doug
Filipo, you've obviously never been into sports cars. Obviously. For me, yes. Deeply.
Filippo
I, I you there's been a noticeable change.
Doug
Yeah. Like I daily boring cars.
Filippo
Yeah.
Doug
Yeah.
Filippo
Three twin turbo.
Kenan
The all I said I think the all the All Terrain was kind of like an eye opening thing. That car is just like you did.
Filippo
Four and a half seconds. Zero.
Doug
Yeah. Remember that car's faster than Nick's wagon. Zero to 60. Especially with Nick driving. Yeah.
Kenan
But it's so comfortable and it's like its purpose is just like nice. Everything about it is just nice.
Doug
Yeah.
Kenan
Daily that's what you want.
Doug
More into that. Definitely true.
Filippo
Can I share a story? I mentioned that, I mentioned a few weeks ago that my wife who drives a lot.
Doug
Yeah.
Filippo
And in traffic was getting a little tired of having a manual transmission. Today she's in a Hyundai Elantra rental car because bunch of logistical reasons and she called me on her way up to toward Riverside and complained that I wasn't peppy enough and that it didn't handle well enough.
Doug
Wow.
Kenan
So didn't handle well enough. What was she doing?
Filippo
I don't ask questions.
Doug
She. Well tell me what she's doing. She's gotten experience in a gti.
Kenan
She's, she's white line certified now.
Filippo
Yeah.
Kenan
We're going to.
Filippo
She doesn't feel that way.
Doug
We're going to do one more question. One more question from Ink Droid B With BMW stopping Production of the Z4 Jaguar F type is gone. Porsche's Boxster is gone. Do roadsters have any hope in the US market? The Miata first off not just the US market but globally. The TT is not mentioned there. That's also gone. But it might be. The Mercedes SLK is gone. SLC is gone.
Filippo
The CLE though is around.
Doug
Yes. But it's a question about roadsters which I think specifically is referring to two seater.
Filippo
We did, we did forget to talk about. The G4 is dead.
Doug
Dead. The Z4 is dead.
Filippo
We didn't talk about the news but
Doug
our roadster is gone. I'll tell you this. The most popular convertible on sale today.
Filippo
Jeep Wrangler. The Jeep Wrangler roadsters live it Might be the Ford Bronco this year, we don't know yet.
Doug
But I do think that there is less and less of a market for those cars. And the SUV killed them like it killed everything else.
Filippo
I also think that part of the premise of a roadster is some relative effect, affordability. Like the people that want more luxury and higher end are probably going to want four seats or just more space. It's like the roadster specifically is like an affordable segment comparatively that is also kind of just gone, I think.
Doug
So the new SL became a roadster that's not selling at all to utter trash. I think that the market, the Gran Turismo, four seats, I think even then just convertibles. Like, I think that the market has generally sort of started to reject less practical cars. Except for, except for the Mustang, except
Filippo
for two seats, manual top, the Miata,
Doug
I mean, to a degree, I guess, you know, the miata's in its 13th year in its life cycle because there's not a lot of will to redesign, right? I think that they will redesign. But like, it's not like every, it used to be where, like, you know, there was a convertible version of the Chevy Cavalier, the Toyota Paseo, the Honda Civic, like all these cars. Cars. Yeah, dude, the Civic convertible, look it up. It was called the Del Sol.
Filippo
Well, yeah, that's why. But that was a separate model.
Doug
Oh, it was a separate model.
Filippo
I, I was trying to think if there was ever, if it was ever called called the Civic convertible.
Doug
It was called the Civic Del Sol. Civic of the sun.
Filippo
That's true.
Doug
Civic of the Sun. Point taken in this case. Anyway, the convertibles are gone. I, I, I do really legitimately believe that the SUV played a big role in that. I think that there used to be that in order to have any sort of performance, you had to get sort of a sportier car. And these days everything has pretty good performance. And also people want to set up high and have practicality. And the fact that they're able to do all that in one vehicle, as opposed to compromising on stuff that roadsters used to make you compromise on. Why not just get an Evoque? It's as fast as a roadster, it's cool. And it also can fit all your friends and your dog and your, and your Frisbee Golf if you're fully sleep.
Filippo
I'm, I do miss Frisbee Golf. Used to play.
Doug
I knew it. I knew it. I never knew that. Surprise.
Filippo
I do think that I'm excited for Lexus's PR speak when they reveal the ES convertible. I. I can do everything a normal convertible can.
Doug
What Lexus should do is give us the lbx. We want the lbx. Start a letter writing campaign. Go to your Lexus dealer.
Kenan
Marizo edition.
Doug
Specifically, I want the regular trash.
Kenan
Gotta say that.
Doug
Any final, final words? Sean, do we have to promote anything that you haven't told us yet to promote? We did it.
Filippo
I'm pretty good at slipping those in.
Kenan
Yes, you.
Doug
Filippo slips it in.
Kenan
Check out all the velocity cars. I also did a video on Mach 1 that's coming soon.
Filippo
Yeah, the. The velocity cars are so cool. So cool.
Doug
Goodbye, everyone. Goodbye.
In this lively, informally witty episode, Doug DeMuro, Kenan, and Filippo cover a slew of major automotive headlines and trends. Key topics include Jaguar’s naming strategy and upcoming Type 01 EV, Lotus’s shifts in powertrains (including some questionable decisions), the state and future of Japanese and European sports cars, SUV market quirks, the used super/hypercar landscape, and more. The team riffs on market shifts, offers deep dives into both brand history and market realities, and wraps with audience Q&A that covers car modifications, the practicality of sporty cars as daily drivers, and the death or survival of roadsters.
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Jaguar’s Electric Future
Market Reality
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Nissan Z Update
Are Japanese Sports Cars Truly Gone?
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New Lotus Hybrid V8 Supercar
Lotus Emira’s Powertrain Change
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Audi Q9 Preview
Quirky Fact: Audi Q5's third brake light spells "Quattro"—reflecting onto rear glass (“This is the quirkiest thing that’s ever happened.” [24:35])
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