The Jaguar Type 01 Is Here, New Lotus V8 Supercar, the Revuelto Market is Crashing!

Summary

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Episode: The Jaguar Type 01 Is Here, New Lotus V8 Supercar, the Revuelto Market is Crashing!

Date: May 15, 2026

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Episode Overview

In this lively, informally witty episode, Doug DeMuro, Kenan, and Filippo cover a slew of major automotive headlines and trends. Key topics include Jaguar’s naming strategy and upcoming Type 01 EV, Lotus’s shifts in powertrains (including some questionable decisions), the state and future of Japanese and European sports cars, SUV market quirks, the used super/hypercar landscape, and more. The team riffs on market shifts, offers deep dives into both brand history and market realities, and wraps with audience Q&A that covers car modifications, the practicality of sporty cars as daily drivers, and the death or survival of roadsters.

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Episode Breakdown & Key Moments

1. Jaguar Type 01 Reveal & EV Luxury Market Parody

[01:02–06:44]

• Jaguar’s Electric Future

  • The new flagship is called the Jaguar Type 01—a four-door, ultra-luxurious EV with around 1,000 hp, at least 960 lb-ft torque, and ~400 miles range.
  • The panel heaps skepticism on Jaguar's bold predictions and ambitious naming ("Why not just Type 1?").
  • Doug: “This is the Cadillac Celestiq of the Jaguar world. And I have a suspicion it will fare just as well.” [02:00]
  • Jokes about no one ever actually seeing a Celestiq—“How many celestiqs have you guys seen on the road?” “Let me carry the one... none.” [02:13]
  • They discuss design elements—reminiscent of the Celestiq, tight shut-lines, and even the trend of “no rear window” (a la Polestar 4).

• Market Reality

  • The $400,000+ luxury EV sedan market isn't showing massive demand.
  • Discussion of electric cars’ driving sameness, and playful skepticism about “it drives like no other EV”—“Every EV I’ve ever driven... drove basically the same.” [03:25]
  • The show's tone is skeptical but curious, with Doug admitting: “As much as I am making fun of it, I am legitimately excited for it. I think this looks cool.” [04:46]

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2. Japanese Sports Cars—Did They Ever Die?

[07:05–11:36]

• Nissan Z Update

  • The Nissan Z will switch to build-to-order production, becoming even rarer (predicted to be the next collector’s item, like the ’98 Supra).
  • Discussion of sports car model attrition (Supra ending, rarity of Z, reappearance of the Prelude).

• Are Japanese Sports Cars Truly Gone?

  • Doug’s argument: “The Japanese sports car never went away. This is a lie you're being fed by German sports car media.” [11:27]
  • They list continued survivors: S2000 lasted until 2009, MR2 Spyder, WRX/STI, GTR, 86/BRZ, Miata (which "never left"), Prelude returns.
  • Kenan: “The Miata is always the answer. It has never been out of production.” [11:24]
  • The group debates definitions: “Those are not purpose built sports cars”—Kenan, regarding WRX/STI.
  • Humorous warning: Don’t let “German sports car media” gaslight you into thinking JDM cars ever stopped. [11:36]

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3. Lotus’s V8 Supercar & The Four-Speed Fiasco

[13:15–20:08]

• New Lotus Hybrid V8 Supercar

  • Hopes are tempered by history of the vaporware Evija (“I saw one ever... doing journalist drives... And guess what? It doesn’t exist.” [13:27])
  • New hybrid V8 (Type 135) expected: 986 hp+, codeveloped by “Horse Motors” (Renault/Geely joint venture).

• Lotus Emira’s Powertrain Change

  • Emira loses Toyota V6 and AMG fours for the new “Horse” turbo V6—but only available with a four-speed automatic (!).
    • Doug: “It is a four-speed automatic.”—shock and sarcasm throughout. [16:34]
    • Only automatics going forward; manual lovers are left in the dust despite 88% Emira buyers preferring manuals.
  • Discussion on emissions regulations possibly driving the shift away from manuals.
  • Market talk: Emira manuals expected to become ultra-desirable, four-speed autos likely to join the “depreciation pile”.

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4. Audi Q9 & Full-Size SUV Trends

[21:46–24:58]

• Audi Q9 Preview

  • Interior shown to VIPs—billed as “most luxurious Audi interior ever.”
  • Jokes about aging Q7 (current since 2017).
  • Upcoming full-size family SUVs’ impact on market; anticipated Porsche variant likely.

• Quirky Fact: Audi Q5's third brake light spells "Quattro"—reflecting onto rear glass (“This is the quirkiest thing that’s ever happened.” [24:35])

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5. Chrysler Pronto, Dodge Dart, & Budget-Car Nostalgia

[26:31–33:24]

• Chrysler Pronto
  • Revival of the “Pronto” moniker for a potential $20,000 subcompact.
  • Comparison to ill-fated Dodge Dart and Neon—prints Mr. DeMuro’s caution while noting surprising durability of oddball Stellantis products (Jeep Patriot/Compass, Caliber, Alfa Giulia).
  • Spirited defense of recent Chrysler/Jeep reliability and speculation about future market plays.

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6. Lamborghini Fenamino Roadster & Revuelto Used Market Crash

[34:31–37:59]

• Lamborghini Fenamino
  • Ultra-limited V12 hybrid; convertible variant announced—expected to be ultra-exclusive (15 units).
  • Discussion veers into used supercar market realities:
    • Revuelto prices falling fast, unlike the SF90 or Aventador (“the SF90 and Revuelto price point just has not been a place where automakers are finding stability.” [36:24])
    • “They produced a lot of them,” contributing to declining values [36:41]

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7. BMW Alpina Teaser & Zagato Design Tangents

[38:04–41:08]

• Anticipation around new BMW Alpina flagship at Villa d’Este.
• Running joke: Is it more like an 8 Series or a four-door AMG GT?
• Deep dive into past Zagato collaboration designs (applause and playful critique; “Proof that Zagato can actually make a good looking car”—Kenan [39:20]), including the beautiful and the truly odd.

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8. Fast and Furious to TV & Car Culture Legacy

[41:18–43:48]

• Fast and Furious TV show(s) planned; Vin Diesel attached as producer.
• The films’ $7B haul and outsized impact on Hollywood/car culture discussed.
  • Doug: “When you think about cultural impact... Fast One is probably the most impactful car movie of all time.” [43:28]
  • Light bickering over which series entry is “the best.”

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9. Lexus LBX "Hot Hatch" Revelation

[47:12–50:44]

• Doug reveals discovery of the not-US-sold Lexus LBX, which, in a special Morizo Edition, packs a 300-hp, AWD, manual transmission (from GR Yaris/GR Corolla).
  • “The best hot hatch on the market today is being made by Lexus...and you can't even get it in America.” [49:14]
• Panel laments its absence here, jokes about Lexus's naming and global models.

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10. Kenan’s BMW M5 Mishap: A Car Enthusiast’s Nightmare

[51:10–55:21]

• Kenan recounts running his M5 over a hidden parking barrier; repairs cost nearly $4,000 (“15 seconds that cost me thousands of dollars.” [54:24])
• Panel discusses practicality, parts availability, and the inevitability of accidental damage for real drivers.

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11. Market Report: Used Luxury SUVs & Classic Car Downturn

[61:09–67:40]

• Filippo: Modern full-size SUVs (Audi Q7, Volvo XC90) are now incredible deals—$15-16K gets you a nearly new-looking "luxury" family hauler.
  • “If I saw my neighbor get one of these, I’d think, ‘Damn, they just got a new [car].’” [62:17]
• Kenan: The old-old-car market is flatlining—1922 Chevy sells for $4,700 (“the canary in the coal mine for prewar cars.” [64:03])
• Doug: Even 60s and 70s classics like Chevelles are barely holding value, while newer collectibles (993s, etc.) remain strong.
• Porsche market tidbit: Newer Porsches holding up surprisingly well; “It takes no to own one.” [67:09]

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12. Audience Q&A Highlights

[67:54–80:24]

Notable Questions and Insights:

• On Preproduction Press Cars: These are typically as good as production, but embargoed for fairness. [68:23]
• Car Modifications: Aftermarket mods generally appreciated for reliability and usability, but Doug’s limit is “shorter than most people’s.” Looks and function matter—aesthetic/jarring or overdone mods are frowned upon.
• Daily Driving ‘Fun’ Cars: Aging (or just life) brings a desire for comfort; even enthusiasts admit to “collecting” comfort cars as daily drivers. [75:19]
• Demise of the Roadster: With the end of Z4, F-Type, Boxster, and TT, true affordable two-seat roadsters are extinct except the Miata; the “SUV killed them like it killed everything else.” [78:08]
• Fun quote: “The best hot hatch on the market today is being made by Lexus. Pull up an interior photo. Let’s see.” [49:14]

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Memorable Quotes (with Attribution & Timestamps)

• Doug: “The Japanese sports car never went away. This is a lie you're being fed by German sports car media.” [11:27]
• Doug: “This is the Cadillac Celestiq of the Jaguar world. And I have a suspicion it will fare just as well.” [02:00]
• Kenan: “The Miata is always the answer. It has never been out of production.” [11:24]
• Doug: “It is a four-speed automatic.” [16:34]
• Kenan: “15 seconds that cost me thousands of dollars.” [54:24]
• Doug: “When you think about cultural impact...Fast One is probably the most impactful car movie of all time.” [43:28]
• Doug: “The best hot hatch on the market today is being made by Lexus...and you can't even get it in America.” [49:14]
• Doug: "The SUV killed them like it killed everything else." (on death of roadsters) [78:08]

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Final Thoughts

• The show is a blend of news, banter, serious market analysis, and car culture. It’s skeptical, knowledgeable, and filled with inside jokes, but underpinned by real expertise. Whether making fun of badge-engineered EVs, lamenting the manual’s demise, or marveling at used bargains, the team gives listeners a vivid snapshot of the ever-changing world of cars.

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Notable Segment Timestamps

• Jaguar Type 01 Discussion: 01:02–06:44
• Japanese Sports Car Debate: 07:05–11:36
• Lotus V8 “Horsepower” News: 13:15–20:08
• Audi Q9 & Q7/Volvo Market: 21:46–24:58, 61:09–63:55
• Chrysler Pronto (& Stellantis Reliability): 26:31–33:24
• Lamborghini Fenamino & Revuelto Market: 34:31–37:59
• BMW Alpina/Design Riff: 38:04–41:08
• Lexus LBX Revelation: 47:12–50:44
• Kenan’s M5 Damage Story: 51:10–55:21
• Market Report: 61:09–67:40
• Audience Q&A: 67:54–80:24

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Transcript

[Kenan]

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[Doug]

Hello and welcome to this car pod.

[Kenan]

I'm Kenan.

[Filippo]

I'm Filippo.

[Doug]

I'm Doug. And it's time for the news.

[Kenan]

Ah, Jaguar mistake.

[Filippo]

Yep. I think we've said all we need to say.

[Kenan]

Yeah. So what is the story?

[Filippo]

Okay. This car which has been shown all around the world but not formally ready for production yet. Yep, now we know the name.

[Kenan]

This is Jaguars concept, the electric EV. New Jaguar.

[Filippo]

Yes. It's called the Type 01.

[Doug]

Type 01. Apparently it will be confirmed a four door which this. I don't know how many doors this has.

[Kenan]

Right. I'll tell you what, their shut lines have gotten really tight.

[Filippo]

I can't even see build quality. Phenomenal.

[Doug]

This may be a two door but like this. I don't know what this is. And also what if the door opens like a gull wing, you know what I mean? The real one will not be that it's going to be a four door and it's going to be called the typo one. And it's going to have about 1,000 horsepower and at least 960 pound feet of torque. 1,000 horsepower.

[Filippo]

185.

[Doug]

But yeah, what this is is the Cadillac Celestic of the Jaguar world. And I have a suspicion it will fair just as well. Do you agree?

[Kenan]

Equal success, I'm sure, yes.

[Doug]

How many celestics have you guys seen on the road? Try to count it out.

[Kenan]

Let me carry the one of the none.

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[Doug]

Oh, combined zero. I also have not seen one. So unfortunately it's zero.

[Filippo]

But one of our co workers has seen them. He lives in Detroit but he has seen them.

[Doug]

We have a co I know a guy whose sister's uncle saw Celeste.

[Kenan]

There's a guy at the next town

[Filippo]

over, he's seen one Jag says that the Type connects to their heritage.

[Kenan]

It does.

[Filippo]

And then 01 points forward. Zero tailpipe emissions and the first car

[Doug]

of a new Chapter 01. Now I think that the leading zero in 01 is ambitious. I think we'll see. I would have just called it the type 1. Anyway. They. When is it going to come out? They said it'll be out. It's going to be officially revealed later this year. Which means it's out maybe in a year.

[Filippo]

Yeah, 27 is what they're saying. I want you to know that per quote. Per quote from the Jaguar head. Our engineers have achieved this with a vehicle that looks and drives like no other electric car. Unfortunately, most electric cars pretty good.

[Doug]

Well, and also. Well, what do you mean it drives like another electric car? Like they all. Every electric car I've ever driven, from the Nissan Leaf to the rimac nevera drove basically the same.

[Filippo]

Nissan's thrilled by that comparison. They're 9 seconds.

[Doug]

0 to 60 seconds. Neither of those cars sold. Both of those cars tanked on the used market. So, hey, I have a suspicion what's going to happen.

[Filippo]

It'll drive like no other electric car.

[Doug]

I think it will drive like most other electric cars. And what was the other thing it'll look like?

[Filippo]

Yeah, I mean that's.

[Doug]

Well, there is now spy shots of it and I'll tell you what, it looks like a Celestiq. Pull up, just type in Jaguar type 01. It's like wild how much it looks like a Celestiq. It's a good looking car. It sucks because that spy shot. It sucks because now the Celestiq has competition which is going to make it even harder to sell Celestics.

[Filippo]

No. A rising tide, you know. Yep.

[Doug]

The rising tide of the $400,000 ultra luxury electric sedan market.

[Filippo]

By the way, I should note we also now know that there's no rear window.

[Doug]

Just like the Polestar 4. Polestar 4?

[Filippo]

Yeah, that's the one.

[Doug]

No one knows. Zoom out. There's a rear photo. There's a rear spy shot where it literally is a. They may have just. They may have just done a Celestic. It's not that one, but it doesn't matter. You get the idea. Are you excited for this vehicle?

[Filippo]

As excited as I am about any other Jag that's coming out.

[Doug]

As much as I am making fun of it, I am legitimately excited for it. Well, I think this looks cool.

[Kenan]

That does look cool.

[Doug]

I always felt this looked cool, or at least like new and futuristic and crazy. And I loved, obviously, like everyone did. I loved the video when they announced, of course, their rebrand.

[Filippo]

If you haven't watched it in a while.

[Kenan]

We were so nice to it on the podcast when it came out and we had those. That bunch of people from Berlin.

[Doug]

It appeared it was good content people. It was like a whistling video. You never knew what was going to explode next.

[Kenan]

That's true. The purple rocks.

[Doug]

It was the brand primarily. So anyway, they. They. This is going to be exciting and

[Filippo]

probably 400ish miles of range is what they're targeting. Three motors, thousand is horsepower.

[Doug]

It's going to. It's not going to sell. But then they'll do lesser models. The Typo 2 and the Typo 3 and all that, you know. Polestar has already backed themselves into the corner by numbering the cars because. Yep, the 2 is actually the flagship.

[Filippo]

No, the 4 is now the flagship.

[Doug]

The 2 is more expensive than the 4. I'm sorry, the 3. The 5.

[Filippo]

Well, it's an outlier.

[Doug]

The 2 was the sedan. The 2 is the flagship.

[Filippo]

The 3 is the small SUV.

[Doug]

That's the flagship.

[Filippo]

No, the big sedan is the flagship.

[Kenan]

Well, it's nice to know that it's easy to keep it steam.

[Doug]

What big sedan?

[Filippo]

The one you reviewed.

[Doug]

It's a hatchback. The one?

[Filippo]

Yes, the four.

[Doug]

The four is cheaper.

[Kenan]

Just throw out another number below 10.

[Doug]

The four starts at 56, the three starts at 68. The three is the flagship.

[Filippo]

Oh, my goodness, you're right.

[Doug]

The three is the flagship.

[Filippo]

Wow.

[Doug]

So it makes.

[Filippo]

68 is so much more than that car should cost.

[Doug]

Well, I bet. I bet you can get deals.

[Filippo]

Yeah. I love how it looks, by the way.

[Doug]

The Polestar 3 Jag is probably going to end up in the same situation, unless of course, the next car is called something different. Typo two. I'm excited. It's going to be very exciting. We're going to see it later this year. Thousand horsepower in all. No one is excited. And I really think this is going to be a dud. Yep, yep.

[Filippo]

Also, it was revealed in 2025 comes out. It's long lag.

[Doug]

Long lag.

[Filippo]

Before seeing it in real life.

[Doug]

Like the hood. Yeah.

[Kenan]

Very long in the back.

[Filippo]

Honestly, what's. What do you think is under the hood?

[Kenan]

I hope it's a storage, but based on it doesn't look like it opens, so probably nothing.

[Doug]

The Celeste. Well, it's a Concept car, the Celeste had a front trunk. Okay, on to our next news story please.

[Kenan]

The Z.

[Doug]

The new Nissan Z which will soon become the old Nissan Z really. Well, it kind of already is. The drive is reporting that the Nissan Z which has just gotten refreshed is going to switch to going forward to a. There's apparently a leaked Nissan dealer bulletin that says the Z is going to switch to a build to order production. Which means that they won't just be stock units at the dealers, they're going to specifically like build them in theory when a customer orders them, but probably dealers will order stock units nonetheless. I think the point is that production is going to decrease even more than it already is, which is significant because I saw one on the road the other day and I was thinking, wow, that is really rare. It is rare.

[Kenan]

I do notice them when I see them. And again we live in Southern California, kind of the land where you can have sports cars and new cars are very common. I've ever since they launched the newsy I really just don't see them.

[Doug]

So going forward, the 27 updates which are notable, they're gonna be super rare. Like this is gonna be like the 98 supra.

[Kenan]

It's gonna be the one to have.

[Doug]

If you're a Mark 4 man.

[Filippo]

If you're a Mark 4 man. Yeah, yeah. Which everybody is. Yeah, the updates. The refresh for 27 is actually pretty good. Manual and Nismo version.

[Doug]

Yep.

[Filippo]

It's desirable but if it is order only and then built order that doesn't really work with the US dealer structure very well or getting sales.

[Doug]

My understand whenever car companies have more or less whenever car companies the building was done by the dealers, not necessarily the customers because of the way that allocation works. So my guess is is that there will still be cars. I think what they're basically trying to say is we're going to limit production even more than we already are. And so Nissan Z is becoming less common. Supra just ended, right? Didn't Mark 5 supra just ended. Yeah.

[Filippo]

We're on the final edition this year.

[Doug]

This is it, dude. This is the end. The Japanese sports car reared again in the mid-2020s will quiet once again. Just like in the 90s when there were so many Japanese Japanese sports cars. Ken's birth was. Was heralded by Japanese sports cars. His. His birth year in. In the lunar calendar, the year of the Japanese sports car.

[Filippo]

And then, and then it all came crumbling down and everything has the prelude those back.

[Doug]

Oh my God.

[Filippo]

The prelude though is Back.

[Doug]

The Prelude is back.

[Kenan]

Not gonna make the dietic. Nevermind.

[Filippo]

Postlude.

[Doug]

I have this theory that I've been nursing and maybe I'll drop it here.

[Filippo]

Oh please.

[Doug]

I don't think the Japanese sports car ever went away. You know how everybody talks about they were in the 90s and then they died.

[Kenan]

Yeah, well, there were a lot of them.

[Doug]

Okay, I'm gonna let me posit you this. 3000 GT went to 99. Okay. And the NSX went to 05. So let's skip the NSX for a second.

[Kenan]

Although they did sell six at its production end.

[Doug]

Yeah, but there's a lot of 02 to 05s out there. All right, 99.3000 GT. In 2000 the S2000 came out.

[Kenan]

Right?

[Doug]

But the Japanese sports car was alive and well. And in 2000 another very important Japanese sports car came out. The Toyota Mr.2 Spider. And so I think that the Japanese sports.

[Filippo]

So the six cylinder Japanese sports car died.

[Doug]

Then the S2000 went all the way to 09. And by then the WRX and the EVO and the STI were already here, the GTR was already back and boom. The Japanese sports cars never went away.

[Kenan]

Those were not purpose built sports cars.

[Doug]

The S2000.

[Kenan]

The S2000 was. But the the WRX and the S2 were based on other fast versions of pre existing cars. Dedicated sports like the M3 and the M5. They were. Those are don't agree.

[Filippo]

They're now that they are now dead. There's no STI sold. There's no Mitsubishi land.

[Doug]

There is a brz. Excuse you, there is a brz. There is an frs.

[Filippo]

Okay, Same car. That's not what it's called anymore.

[Doug]

There is a Supra. There is a Supra which is incredibly Japanese.

[Filippo]

Supra is dead.

[Doug]

The Supra was, is. Is an incredibly Japanese car and is

[Filippo]

still around for one more year.

[Kenan]

The Z is around and one to add to Prelude. Where do you say the R35 falls on that? Oh, it's also been in production for all of it.

[Doug]

It's dead basically. The R35 is barely dead.

[Filippo]

It is coming back is what we've learned. Right? And to be fair to your point, the grgt.

[Doug]

The GRGT is coming back. That's a thing?

[Filippo]

Yep.

[Doug]

The Miata is still in production. Never left. By the way, another Japanese car that never left.

[Kenan]

The Miata is always the answer. It has never been out of production.

[Doug]

I'm telling you, the Japanese sports car never went away. This is a lie that you're being fed by German sports car media.

[Filippo]

That's right.

[Kenan]

You want to say propaganda, but that's.

[Doug]

Well, I don't know. I mean, it is a pride. It is a piece of propaganda.

[Filippo]

All that to say the last Z,

[Doug]

last Civic, Type R, Integra, Type S. Good point. Everything's rolling.

[Filippo]

The only accurate left.

[Doug]

All right. The only.

[Filippo]

I mean fundamental.

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[Kenan]

Oh, very dark.

[Doug]

Lotus. Lotus supercar. I gotta tell you something. I walked in the office today, they told me there's going to be a new Lotus supercar. I don't know anything about it and I'll tell you why. Last time Lotus said there'd be a supercar was the Avija. Do you remember the Avija?

[Filippo]

I do.

[Doug]

Do you?

[Filippo]

Actually, I incredibly do. But if things are not the Avija

[Doug]

dude pronounced, it doesn't exist. Okay, I saw one ever and it was at Villa D' two years ago in Lake Como. And it was like doing journalist drives. And the journalists were gushing over it because they had been selected to sit in an Avija. And guess what? It doesn't exist.

[Filippo]

They made 130 units. Well, they were going to make 130 units.

[Kenan]

Yeah. No confirmation. I remember vividly. I remember then really contemplating the idea of is an electric supercar going to be selling? And since there have been many others and the Avija or Avija discuss anywhere,

[Filippo]

but they've said that they're building a hybrid V8 supercar now. So it's not electric.

[Doug]

Okay. Hybrid V800, 1000 horsepower hybrid V8 called the type 135 code name.

[Kenan]

They're sticking with the English love saying

[Filippo]

code name, codename, that code name.

[Doug]

It'll have at least. This is what they say, at least 986 horsepower. Now the Jag only has 986 horsepower. So they saw Jag's thing and they were like, we're gonna step in.

[Filippo]

Yep.

[Doug]

Yeah.

[Kenan]

Okay.

[Doug]

So are you excited or are we. I do. I think we're kind of chances that this ever exists.

[Filippo]

The engine is coming from horse motors.

[Doug]

Horse motors. This is a real get ready because we got another horse motors story here in a second.

[Filippo]

Okay. So horse motors, for those that don't know which is everybody, is a Renault Geely joint collaboration. Geely being the Chinese manufacturer who also owns Lotus and Volvo and the Polestar 3.

[Doug]

They own every Polestar 3.

[Filippo]

But it is actually fundamentally the engineers from the Renault like motor which has been known to build decent engines. Sometimes they have a new hybrid V8 and its load is kind of returning. Like moving away from their all electric initiative to create a V8 hybrid supercar.

[Kenan]

Okay.

[Doug]

Okay. That is something. Lotus vaporware. We don't know. I want you to move on to the next news story which Kenan, I got you. You're going to go nuts when you hear that.

[Kenan]

I will say if they can make this with a manual.

[Filippo]

It won't.

[Kenan]

I'd be really into it.

[Filippo]

But they cannot.

[Doug]

They can't. They speak because a Lotus. Because I know they can't make it with a manual. Because today, moments before filming this podcast, it was announced that the Lotus Emira, which is a car that perpetually looks like it's been in some sort of front end collision. The Lotus Emir, you're not wrong. I love the Amira, is ditching its Toyota V6, a beloved powertrain, a good engine. And it's Mercedes AMG Turbo 4 for a new motor from horse. Yep. So it's getting a horse engine, a lot of horsepower. That engine will be a turbo 3 liter V6 with 540 horsepower. Okay.

[Filippo]

It's big power, big power.

[Doug]

A lot more than the car is now. However, it will only be mated to an automatic transmission. But this is the big news. This is horse. This is a brand new joint venture between the high tech Chinese and some other company. He said take a guess the number of gears for this automatic transmission.

[Filippo]

Oh no, I'm very afraid I didn't look at it.

[Kenan]

Don't tell me it's a cvt.

[Doug]

Take a guess. So your guess is infinite?

[Kenan]

My guess is infinite or yeah. What did Jason Kamie say last week? Or one. I don't know, whatever. I think I have a weird feeling it's going to be a cv.

[Filippo]

You're joking.

[Doug]

It is a four speed automatic.

[Kenan]

Four what?

[Doug]

So it's like you felt that the Emiro was a good car when it had a manual transmission and a good Toyota reliable Toyota V6. Well, too bad. Have I got news for you. It's going to be replaced with a 540 horsepower Turbo V6 made by horsepower trains which undoubtedly will be just as reliable as the Toyota V6 mated to a four speed automatic.

[Kenan]

Like it's 1989.

[Doug]

Like it's 1989. And we're buying an XJS free speed with overdrive.

[Filippo]

In their defense, there's no defending it.

[Kenan]

There's no defending that.

[Filippo]

Have two, two things in their defense. One is it weighs just 160 kilograms which is 10 pounds lighter than any other V6 on the market.

[Kenan]

You know, I would take 10 pounds.

[Filippo]

10 pounds.

[Doug]

I'm sorry, sorry. A week at the gym.

[Kenan]

It's hard to find a 10 pound weight at the gym.

[Filippo]

That's 10 kilograms. 22 pounds. Okay.

[Doug]

Spent two weeks at the gym.

[Filippo]

Second is, I bet that the motor serves as some supplemental gearing. Like, like the way that they have it set up. I hope it means that it's an automatic.

[Doug]

88 of Emiras are sold to the manual transmission.

[Filippo]

So that's the other thing. In this, in this press release they say people told us that they love the V6 engine and the V6 version is the best seller in the US market because the four cylinder is not available manual.

[Doug]

What a spin. That is an unbelievable spin. What's this fellow's name? Feng is his last name.

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[Doug]

That's incredible. They want, they love V6s.

[Filippo]

What can we say?

[Doug]

We're going to do more V6s. 88% of Emiras are sold.

[Filippo]

This is a bad. So we've known that that Toyota V6 was going to go away for a while. We're hearing about it because it does. It's not complying with new European emissions regulations in this current form. And they didn't want to redevelop it, fine. Right.

[Kenan]

So be it.

[Filippo]

The fact that they're not finding a way to make this, find an engine that can be made into a manual is how hard can it be?

[Doug]

It already is. I know this for a fact. And I'd be curious if there's some viewer who's more of an expert on this than I am. But I wonder if there is a difficulty of meeting euro emissions regulations with a manual transmission. I wonder if the manual transmission specifically is making it difficult to meet red.

[Filippo]

I wouldn't be shocked if that's true. If they can program the automatic however they want. I wouldn't be shocked if the EU regulators have their own.

[Doug]

I don't know what test cycle is, I don't know what they measured at all that stuff.

[Filippo]

I think that's true.

[Doug]

I don't know this as a fact and I'm not saying that it is a fact, but I am curious because we hear rumors about the next GT3 and that they may do a manual only for the US and then you start to wonder. Well, they wouldn't. They're not idiots. They're not. They're not doing this because they want to. There's obviously a need to do it. The powertrain is of course the need. But I wonder if they just. If there's a. If there's a. If there's a reason beyond that.

[Filippo]

I'm sure there is. BMW has said that they're not really. They can't. Their ability to have higher horsepower engines than their V6 in their manual cars is limited because they don't want to redevelop a full new manual for additional engines. I do wonder if Lotus, the manufacturer, is kind of small, doesn't have the purchasing power to.

[Doug]

Well, it's 88% of sales. I mean, you're doing it or you're not doing it, like 88%. The Chinese especially should be like, oh,

[Kenan]

that is a sign.

[Filippo]

Questionable. Questionable.

[Doug]

Joke.

[Filippo]

Okay.

[Doug]

They own the Lotus, the Chinese own the Lotus and they're sitting here looking at this saying, let's do a four speed auto. Anyway, I think it's a shame. Amira is a great car. Obviously the Amiras that are built with the manual and all that are going to be the ones that everybody wants. Well, it's the four speed auto. Emiras are going to go down like the 4 speed auto XJS.

[Kenan]

Nice.

[Doug]

Poorly. Poorly.

[Kenan]

Well, if you thought the Amira market was strong, hold my beer. It's gonna remain that way for a while.

[Doug]

True. And the Amira market is strong. Sell them all the time on the cars in the business a week.

[Filippo]

Yeah, those are going to be 90 grand forever.

[Doug]

Forever. Like Evora still are 60.

[Kenan]

Yeah. It's pretty remarkable.

[Doug]

Look at these sales.

[Kenan]

83, 89, 93, 85.

[Filippo]

Only one that hasn't sold in forever was an automatic. Yeah, truly. You have to keep scrolling down. I don't remember when it was but it did happen and it was that four cylinder.

[Doug]

Four cylinder.

[Filippo]

Despite the fact that the four cylinder auto, the four cylinder has exactly the same horsepower as the supercharged V6. Somehow with both 400 horsepower.

[Doug]

Click on this one. Look at that. I'm telling you, it looks like the car has been in a front end collision. And then the hood is like, is like wedged up a little because you like wedged under a truck or something.

[Kenan]

Actually that is a good angle. That does kind of make it look.

[Doug]

I love this car. I love.

[Kenan]

Well, you want one?

[Filippo]

Buy it now.

[Doug]

I don't hate this powertrain either.

[Kenan]

No, they can just buy it whenever. I think they're just gonna have every night. The point of this is I don't think they're gonna depreciate like we thought the, like the Elise has that got to a $35,000 car?

[Doug]

Although did you see the Elise we sold today?

[Filippo]

Yes.

[Doug]

Pull this up. Here's a news story for you. We sold this Elise SC which was 166 of. 166 of these American for 65,500 United States.

[Filippo]

They're taken back up. Elise's are the nice.

[Doug]

Elises are up, mileage is a little low, etc. But like this. And it's an SC obviously, but like damn.

[Filippo]

Yep.

[Kenan]

You can still get into an ELISA, ride between 35 and $45,000. You still can all day long.

[Doug]

Yeah. But part of the reason they're so desirable is because they are Toyota powered and manual transmission. Lovely things. Move on to our next news story, please.

[Filippo]

Okay, the Audi Q9. We've been talking about how Audi is going to build a new like a full size suv. This is, it hasn't been fully revealed, but the interior has and apparently the interior is the most luxurious Audi interior ever. Wow.

[Doug]

Who said that? An objective, an objective journalist.

[Filippo]

Every journalist that saw the car. You can, you can take from that whatever you'd like.

[Doug]

This thing does look.

[Kenan]

Boss, it does look good.

[Filippo]

They should offer that. Mercedes Benz Maybach would offer that paint color.

[Doug]

And on the interior, and on the

[Kenan]

interior they call it hurricane or twister or something like that.

[Filippo]

Yeah. And I'm glad for Audi that this is coming because, well, the Q7's been around.

[Doug]

Q7 is ancient. Q7 is absolutely ancient. And it's unbelievable to me. Yeah, it came out in 17.

[Filippo]

17.

[Doug]

17. The current body, Q7.

[Filippo]

It may have been 2016, but I think it was a 2017 model year.

[Doug]

You know, it's amazing to me because that segment is still pretty hot. That whole segment, full size and Gls came out in 20. I know Q7 came out in 17. X7 came out in 21 maybe.

[Filippo]

Yeah. With a 23.

[Doug]

It's the newest car and it's six years old. Six model years old. And the best thing that happened to any of them is that Justin Timberlake got arrested for DUI in the X7, the facelift X7. He knew what he went and got

[Filippo]

the new one, the Q9, though he'll

[Doug]

be in a Q9 next summer.

[Filippo]

Seeing Sagaponic will be important for Audi, certainly. And so it's glad it's coming to fruition. The interior, by the way, has a bunch of screens. Doesn't have black or like the piano black plastic anymore. It looks like every other.

[Kenan]

Well, Audis have been kind of killing interior since then.

[Filippo]

They kind of went down for a little bit.

[Kenan]

Sixth generation.

[Filippo]

They got a little iffy for a bit.

[Doug]

Do we have a release date date on this vehicle?

[Filippo]

It's going to be revealed in full on July 28th.

[Doug]

Okay. So it'll probably go on sale this fall.

[Filippo]

Yeah, yeah, I assume so because this looks production.

[Doug]

This is real heavy tariffs pay.157.

[Filippo]

A few weeks ago we did not talk about this, but there's also a redesign Volkswagen Atlas. And that's all we're going to say about that.

[Doug]

Presumably this will also spawn a Porsche variant. Yep.

[Filippo]

There will be a full size Porsche

[Doug]

suv Lamborghini variant, the URUS Plus. No, probably not. But there will be a Porsche based on this.

[Filippo]

There will absolutely be a Porsche. Yeah.

[Doug]

And that's great. Maybe that's cool.

[Filippo]

Maybe there'll be a new Q7 eventually. Who knows I'm ready. Or Q8, who knows?

[Doug]

I'm ready and excited.

[Kenan]

Ready to see them around successful suburban areas.

[Doug]

I do think it's wild that there hasn't been a new Q7 in however long and that the Q5, when you break it says Quattro. I was behind one the other day. You didn't watch my Q5 review.

[Filippo]

Incredibly, I did the whole thing.

[Doug]

The third brake light, when you stop, go to Q, go to Audi Q5 quattro brake light. Type that in. How do you now this is like the quirkiest thing that's ever happened. No, Q6 doesn't do that. It's a normal car, but the Q5

[Filippo]

is a more normal car.

[Doug]

Quadruple brake light's one of the things when you brake. Oh yeah, it says click on this. It literally reflects down onto the rear glass.

[Filippo]

I do love that.

[Doug]

You haven't been behind a new Q5.

[Filippo]

Apparently not.

[Doug]

When you get behind a new Q5, watch.

[Filippo]

This says a lot about.

[Doug]

It's very clear what happens. It says quattro. It's this whole big thing. I love that it reflects from up here down backwards. Reflects onto the rear glass so that people behind you see that it sits.

[Filippo]

I have a true love of cars that have full width third brake lights.

[Doug]

And so does this count because it's not technically, you know, it's a projection.

[Filippo]

Well, the brake light is also that.

[Doug]

Okay.

[Kenan]

I wore the same pair of glasses for way too long. Scratched up lenses, bent frames, a prescription that was probably two years out of date. I kept putting, putting off replacing them because the whole process felt like such a hassle. Go to an optician, wait around, pick up from a limited selection and get upsold on stuff you don't need. And drop $400 before you even walk out the door. Warby Parker completely flipped that. The first thing that got me was the virtual try on. You literally point your phone at your face and try on frames in real time. Not janky. It actually works. And even producer Sean is loving his Warby Parker sunglasses. Look at him rocking those wonder fitting glasses on his big chrome Domus. Prescription glasses start at just 95 bucks and the quality is premium. You can really feel it. They've got contacts, sunglasses, online, eye exams, 300 plus stores if you want to go in person. And for every pair sold, they give a pair to someone in need. Over 20 million pairs donated. Hard to not feel good about that. And right now, buy one prescription pair and get 20% off any additional [e-mail] that's 20 off additional prescription pairs when you go to W a r b y-parker.com cars.

[Doug]

All right, next news story, please. This is a good one. The Chrysler Pronto.

[Filippo]

All right, so years and years and years ago, there was a concept car that was called the Pronto.

[Doug]

I think that this is the Chrysler Pronto Cruiser.

[Filippo]

I think you're right.

[Doug]

And that the Chrysler Pronto was actually a.

[Filippo]

Had a front bar.

[Doug]

It was a convertible Plymouth Pronto. That's what it was. Okay, so there was the Plymouth Pronto Spider and it was like a mid engine two seat roadster. This. Yeah, if they had done that, it would have turned the whole company around.

[Filippo]

That looks like a Saturn sky.

[Kenan]

Well, there's some spiker in there.

[Doug]

It looks like a Vaxall VX220.

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[Doug]

Which they did do. And you know what? It didn't change. It didn't turn General Motors related to.

[Filippo]

Yeah, it does look like that. Okay. But regardless, this was a concept in the early 2000s or late 90s. There was news this week that last fall Chrysler showed their deep budget dealers that they have a very low price, around $20,000 MSRP concept that they're calling the Pronto. And there's a concept for Chrysler, there's also a concept at that price point for the Jeep and the Ram brands. And so clearly Stellantis is going to deep on. Hey, should we be bringing a $20,000 really affordable car to market?

[Doug]

Now back in the day this was a sports car. But my presumption, although it has not, no more details have come out that I've seen, is that it's probably a compact car.

[Filippo]

That car, really small suv. They have one that's shared with Jeep and Ram.

[Doug]

Now with that in mind, do you remember the Dodge Dart?

[Filippo]

Do I remember? What an insulting question.

[Doug]

How did that all go?

[Filippo]

You know, except for the engines that had a lot of blow up issues and the transmissions that also blew up and a bunch of other liability issues,

[Doug]

that car only went out of production like yesterday. It was a great looking car. And you have, you haven't seen the road in 10 years.

[Filippo]

There was a version with a 2.4 liter turbo and a six speed manual. And that was a cool car.

[Kenan]

It was cool.

[Filippo]

It was.

[Doug]

I drove one of those from Atlanta. I drove one of those from Atlanta to Charleston, South Carolina and back 13 hours in a Dodge Dart.

[Filippo]

It's a pretty good car. Wow.

[Kenan]

That's all you need.

[Doug]

It's a pretty good small car. It's a good car. The reliability, it was incredibly poorly built. And when I hear a $20,000 car from Chrysler, I remember the Neons. I remember the Darts.

[Filippo]

The Neons though were reliable.

[Doug]

You've seen one? Where is one?

[Filippo]

Well, they were all.

[Doug]

Where is one they built Neons for?

[Filippo]

They were all.

[Doug]

They've been neons, like 2010.

[Filippo]

When was the last time you saw a Cavalier?

[Doug]

I see Corollas from that era. 20 million.

[Filippo]

That's not what I asked. I was very specific in my question.

[Doug]

You get my point?

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[Doug]

And I'm.

[Filippo]

And obviously that's the caliber you see around. And I was just in Indiana, saw a lot of calibers.

[Doug]

You know, it is interesting. You see, you see calibers and you see patriots from that gen is a little, you see patriots. Those cars were reviled when they came out, but they've actually ended up being pretty reliable. You know, I got to hand it to Stellantis. I actually, I want to, I want to, I want to take back some, some bad things I've said. We got a Julia in the office here, right?

[Filippo]

The camera for this, it's going to be a short.

[Doug]

We got a Julia in the office here. It's got 100,000 miles on it. And I, when that car came out, you and me went to outside D.C. and filmed a video on it 10 years ago.

[Filippo]

We sure did.

[Doug]

And, and at the time the complaint about the Giulia was that it was going to be trash because it was built by Chrysler and Alfa and oh my God, this thing in the office, the interior has held up better than any car with 100,000 miles that I've been in. It's like perfect. Have you been in it?

[Kenan]

Yeah.

[Doug]

There's nowhere. I challenge you to find wear in that interior.

[Kenan]

You challenge me to find where I'm sure I can.

[Doug]

Except for the driver's seat, which honestly looks like a normal worn driver's seat and a 30,000 mile car. I'll have a look the rest of the interior. There is no fading on the buttons, there is no fade. It's unbelievable.

[Kenan]

I do know what you mean and it is a big surprise.

[Doug]

I now take back all the bad things I've said about Stellantis because of the caliber discussion and because of the Giulia. They do build cars that last Stellantis forever. You know, Lotus should think about a Stellantis powertrain in the Amira.

[Filippo]

Can we talk about the fact that Jeep. Can we talk about the.

[Doug]

What power the Pentastar Hurricane straight suits.

[Filippo]

They want a 270 horsepower Pentastar in there here.

[Doug]

Don't they currently have that? It's like a 3.5 L V6 supercharged 400. You could supercharge a pen hurricane.

[Filippo]

Hurricane.

[Doug]

Hurricane straight six. It's like 400 horse hurricane. Got to do a little stretch. The.

[Filippo]

The rare engine that's shared between a ram hro and a mirror hro.

[Doug]

It's rh. There's like two of them on the road. So you're given for the mistake.

[Filippo]

That's what I meant. Regardless, I Want to talk about the Patriot? Because he brought it up.

[Doug]

Yeah.

[Filippo]

The Patriot's dead. It's been dead for forever. Yeah, but the compass lived on.

[Doug]

Yeah.

[Filippo]

And don't you think that was a mistake? The Patriot was the boxy one. I remember the compass was the slopey one and they kept the slopey one.

[Doug]

I think that the era of box, in this era, I think the patriot name would probably be better.

[Filippo]

And it's boxier.

[Doug]

The compass had a better reputation. It was the nicer of the two. It was more expensive and more upmarket.

[Filippo]

Boy, did I not think that at the time.

[Doug]

It was. The patriot was the cheaper one. The compass was the nicer one. They were both trash, obviously.

[Filippo]

Preface. Regardless the pronto, the caliber died though. The caliber died. Thank God. It was tough. Was not a good car reliable enough, if you want to see.

[Doug]

Did you know back in Ohio who had calibers Patriots or compasses?

[Filippo]

Zero. That can't be true.

[Kenan]

No, I didn't.

[Filippo]

One of your neighbors had one.

[Kenan]

No, no, genuinely, because everybody. I grew up in the era of like the Odyssey and the Sienna.

[Doug]

Yeah, but calibers were around.

[Filippo]

He grew up in a wealthy town.

[Kenan]

I saw them. Yeah. In like 2009, I probably saw he was rich.

[Doug]

In my town, we were lucky if we could stretch to afford a caliber. I tell ya, times were tough.

[Filippo]

Yep. Agreed. The pronto, though, will be some kind of probably subcompact SUV if it happened. If dealers were pushing for a sub 20k car, I don't know if they were or not. Margins would probably be really thin. And so there's a bit of a trade off. Get people in the door. But if Jeep offers a 20k option, can they sell a grand Highlander? Who knows? Regardless, maybe it will happen, maybe it won't.

[Doug]

What do you mean? If Jeep offers a 20k car, can they sell a grand Highlander?

[Filippo]

Well, did. They're trying to sell a hundred thousand dollar. Sorry. Grand Wagoneer is what I meant. Sorry.

[Doug]

Yeah, yeah.

[Filippo]

It would be like a wide.

[Doug]

I'm going to spoil the surprise on that one. Even without a $20,000 car, Jeep hasn't been able to successfully sell.

[Filippo]

What are you talking about? The 2027 model year. Wagoneer after 2026 didn't exist.

[Doug]

They took the year off.

[Filippo]

Took the year off. There will be an Extended range EV Grand Wagoneer coming.

[Doug]

Oh, my God. With 728 miles of range.

[Filippo]

Yeah, yeah. Because it's a normal fuel tank plus a battery.

[Doug]

All right. I'm pro Grand Wagoneer. This is another example of why I think Stellantis is off the hook. They make great reliable guns that can go long distances.

[Filippo]

Okay, credit to Stellantis at this couple of fun facts. First of all, they were the first and for a while the only people to have a plug in hybrid like SUV that wasn't like a German luxury car.

[Doug]

The only people that have a plug

[Filippo]

in the Wrangler 4XE. The, the, the Grand Cherokee 4 by E. These were like real interesting advanced plug in hybrid vehicles.

[Doug]

There doesn't. Isn't there like a Kia Sento and all that? Oh wait. The Mitsubishi Outland off roaders is really about the Mitsubishi outland off road. Mitsubishi Outland off Roaders is what I mean. I want you to issue an Mitsubishi.

[Filippo]

They, they. I'm pretty sure that they sold more Wrangler 4 by than Mitsubishi sold in the US for years ever. But also they had cars like the Grand Wagoneer S, which is the single fastest SUV under, under $100,000.

[Doug]

Now it was technically the Wagoneer S.

[Filippo]

What did I say?

[Doug]

You said Grand Wagoneer S, which I'm getting confused today. They have problems.

[Filippo]

I'm having problems today. I, I can't make mistakes.

[Doug]

Grand Wagoneer, Grand Cherokee, Cherokee, Grand Cherokee, Grand Renegade, Nobody knows.

[Filippo]

Grand Renegade.

[Doug]

This is the Grand Renegade right here.

[Filippo]

Why don't they have move on to

[Doug]

the next news is the Grand Renegade is the Wrangler.

[Kenan]

Thank goodness. Moving on from Scientus to something exotic. This is the Lamborghini Fenamino. So you're familiar with this car. Last year they came out with a coupe version of this car. No, sorry. Go back to sleep. You might remember this. So this is the limited edition Lamberty based on the VTO. It has that same hybrid V12 power plant. This makes 1065 horsepower. Now that car came out last year. We saw that car at Pebble Beach. Now they've announced they have a convertible version of it, the coupe. They only built 29 examples of them. They're going to build 15 of these.

[Filippo]

I was there when they announced it. Yes, you were there. I do know about it.

[Kenan]

Yes, the Quail.

[Doug]

You were not there.

[Kenan]

We were all three there. No, he wasn't paying attention.

[Doug]

Is it phenomenal?

[Filippo]

I mean it's Lamborghini, so they do Spanish wins. So I don't know.

[Doug]

Oh, so you don't know.

[Kenan]

Oh, it's right.

[Doug]

How would you say it in Italian? Phenomenal. This is cool.

[Kenan]

It's cool. The things with this is, with the roadster version of it, they tried to kind of hide some of the Arrows they could maintain the sort of same level of downforce. So we're very careful about the rear treatment of the car.

[Doug]

Is this the roadster?

[Kenan]

This. For some reason our producer has chosen

[Filippo]

to leave the coupe.

[Kenan]

I was gonna say they explicitly asked also for a picture of the window which doesn't exist. But the window's weird because it comes. It goes like this and then it goes down. Down. It's like this weird shape. Yeah. Look at this window.

[Filippo]

I love that.

[Kenan]

Ridiculous.

[Doug]

So I don't know. It's like the spiker C8 kind of.

[Kenan]

No. That had a metal bar in the middle but.

[Doug]

But there was window on top that had no frame. It didn't make a curve. But it's sort of like that. The CLK GTR is also like this.

[Kenan]

I'll bet though when you close this. Unlike the spike when you close the door and it goes. I know no one has ever closed the door on a Spyker C8 but that's exactly what it does.

[Doug]

I want to talk to you about some something.

[Filippo]

Sure.

[Kenan]

Lamborghini wise. But nonetheless. These are like I said, limited edition

[Doug]

car revueltos are collapsing in the used market.

[Filippo]

Are they?

[Kenan]

Are they really? So this might be the one that

[Doug]

actually in the used market the SF90 Revuelto price point just has not been a place where the automakers are finding stability. The 12 cylindries are also selling under sticker even though the car's been out for like an afternoon. It came out less than a year ago in the States. That.

[Kenan]

That is interesting. I do have to say with the Revolto they've produced a lot of them and have gotten them to customers very quickly. So certainly supply is not low.

[Doug]

Yeah, well that's the problem. But 700 GS there's apparently not support. The revolto's done better than SF90 so far.

[Filippo]

But they're more appealing product.

[Doug]

It is a more appealing product.

[Filippo]

It's also been on the market for two years less but.

[Doug]

Right. That's true. And so you wonder if we're going to see SF90 type depreciation with Rufuelto. Aventador is held so strong. Strong they have.

[Kenan]

And they made a gazillion of those.

[Doug]

Yep.

[Kenan]

So that is an interesting point. If you combine all of the Bitini V12 is it all Bitzerini V12 or all Lamborghinis? It's only the Bitzerini V12.

[Doug]

Combine every Mira Countach, Diablo and Mercy all together probably.

[Kenan]

And 350gt.

[Doug]

I would imagine it's less than the production of.

[Kenan]

Of that's pretty wild. And when I think about it. How often do you see Aventador?

[Doug]

Not even. That is rare.

[Filippo]

So my wife sent me a picture of one two days ago and the ones that. Wow.

[Doug]

163 here in town. Yep. In the city.

[Kenan]

Yep.

[Doug]

Or up there. Down here by the zoo.

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[Doug]

Oh, it's going to scare the animal.

[Kenan]

It's an equestrian town, but yeah, that's a nonetheless like, I don't know, cool limited edition car.

[Doug]

That looks really cool. I think it's kind of 5 million and silly, but like I think it looks cool.

[Kenan]

Right. I, I don't disagree. But on the topic of new cars, there's another one. So Villa d' Este is upon us.

[Filippo]

I know. Exciting. I'm so.

[Kenan]

I know. Why aren't we all there right now? Imagine me at Lake Como.

[Doug]

I went two years ago and it was an AM experience.

[Kenan]

It's pro. I don't know. It's one of the best car events of the year, without question. But at this event a lot of new cars are announced and BMW Alpena will be announcing their new collab. Now Alpena has been involved with BMW for a long time, but now it's officially under the BMW umbrella. This will be the first car that comes out as a result of that and they've teased this silhouette of it which is very long and swoopy looking and it kind of looks like the eight series to me.

[Doug]

It's like a more swoop or do you think it's going to be like a four door AMG GT situation? You know, you don't think this is a four door?

[Kenan]

I think it's got to be a four door because you could, you could see where the door would be and this would be a hatchback and I would imagine that's like an eight series grand coupe. That's kind of what I think.

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[Doug]

Do you remember the Bovin seeping? No. Pull it up.

[Kenan]

You want to help some spelling there?

[Filippo]

Yeah, yeah.

[Doug]

It's spelled just like it sounds.

[Kenan]

B O V B O V E. There it is.

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[Kenan]

Hey, that's pretty close.

[Doug]

This was an Alpena thing, wasn't it?

[Kenan]

Oh, I do remember.

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[Doug]

I think it looks amazing. It was based on the M4. I guess it's a Zagato thing. I guess it's not related to the Alpena at all.

[Filippo]

No, no, no. It is because it's family behind Alpena. Alpena that sold Alpena to BMW but they made a standalone project based on them for With Zagato.

[Doug]

I think it looks cool as hell.

[Kenan]

I know. Proof that Zagato can actually make a good looking car.

[Doug]

And so. And so. Excuse me. Zagato has made hundreds of good looking

[Kenan]

cars when you start to look into it. No, they haven't. There are a lot of really Hanes Agatos.

[Doug]

Okay, what about the. What about. Oh, the vanquished shooting break.

[Kenan]

That is a good one. I'll counter it with this. The Ferrari 550 GTZ Vigado, which is one of the ugliest vehicles I've ever seen. Beautiful. The overhangs are. Look at the side profile.

[Doug]

Good lord. You ever see the 599 version? 599gtz?

[Kenan]

No.

[Doug]

There is one, yes. Oh, it's just as bad.

[Kenan]

599. Oh my God. That's my. That is.

[Doug]

Yeah.

[Kenan]

Those are the Alonzo edition wheels.

[Doug]

Needless to say, that's a $4 million car. Oh, Canon. But you know what was a good looking car? TZ3. TZ3. The one that was based on the Viper.

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[Kenan]

Saw that car in person.

[Doug]

Oh, and how about the DB Aston? The DB?

[Kenan]

The DB AR1 or the DB?

[Doug]

It was the coupe that. It was just called the. Wasn't it the DB7 Zagato. I think it was just DB7 Zagato. That was a beautiful car. So take that.

[Kenan]

I don't think the rear of the car is challenging to me. I don't think.

[Doug]

I think it looks great.

[Kenan]

I don't think that looks good.

[Doug]

That's a beautiful car in that era. That was a beautiful car.

[Kenan]

No, you know what was beautiful? The normal one and the Vanquish. The.

[Doug]

The normal DB7 was beautiful.

[Kenan]

I like the DB7.

[Doug]

It was fine.

[Kenan]

Front of this is just not good.

[Doug]

Beautiful iteration that gave us. That gave us the Vanquish. That front end.

[Kenan]

This here is blobby. Anyway.

[Filippo]

I can't believe we're not talking about

[Kenan]

moving on from the sport.

[Doug]

Also Zagato problem.

[Kenan]

The Alpena, which is not related to Zagato in any way. Glad that we had that tangent. Is. Is rolling this out very soon. On Friday we'll see what it looks like. Of course, this video will be in this podcast.

[Doug]

You'll know already.

[Kenan]

You'll know. We do not.

[Doug]

By the time you're watching this, you'll say, these idiots.

[Kenan]

You might be in Villa d' Este already staring at the thing.

[Filippo]

All right.

[Doug]

Are there other news stories? Surely not. Oh, yeah.

[Filippo]

So there. There's news this week that there will be a fast and the Furious TV show. At least one. At least one. Vin Diesel is like the produ, the executive producer of it. He has said there will be four. Nobody else has confirmed four, but I confirmed there'll be one. But nevertheless there will be something emerging. One and four spinoffs that he's involved in.

[Doug]

This week the New Yorker. Last week the New Yorker has a long form article about the cultural impact that the Fast and the Furious has had on Hollywood specifically. But apparently there are actually books, one of which I bought but haven't read yet about the impact of the Fast and the Furious massive which by the way came out 25 years ago in about three weeks.

[Filippo]

Really.

[Doug]

We should remember the time about it June of 2001. And one of the things that the New York article says was that the original title was going to be Race Wars. Oh man. Because you know that was the thing in the desert that they were going to. They were going to call it Race Wars. The article also said that Universal has made it's $7 billion. The movies have grossed surprise. It's not higher $7 billion. And it's Universal's longest running franchise ever.

[Filippo]

Also by the way, if you're curious

[Doug]

and Furious folks, more than you can afford, pal you if you're curious you

[Filippo]

should look up why the naming structure is what it is. It has to do with like the rights that they had to use the Fast and the Furious as the name. They couldn't like reuse it in that same way.

[Doug]

You know, I thought the whole thing was going to die after the third movie because the third movie they all the main actors were gone and it looked like that was going to be

[Filippo]

the end but then they found a

[Doug]

way way they found a way.

[Filippo]

It's like six movie it comes back together.

[Doug]

It's like when I'm trying to start the Countach, you know and it's like you're like oh is it going to happen? You're pushing the gas and then it goes and it's about done and then it's. Then it comes right back.

[Kenan]

I hate to tell you doesn't do that for me.

[Filippo]

It starts every time movie.

[Doug]

Yeah, I've seen the first three and other than that my seeing of the

[Filippo]

fifth one is I think the best one.

[Kenan]

I've only ever seen the first one.

[Doug]

The first one is the greatest car movie of all time.

[Filippo]

First one's a great car movie. The fifth one they drag a safe through the seats of R the first

[Doug]

strong they're Volkswagen to eggs is the greatest car movie of all time. It just is.

[Filippo]

They're Volkswagen Touaregs.

[Doug]

The first one, folks. Tell him in the comments. Tell them. I know there's a lot of great car movies, but when you think about cultural impact, when you think about power, and when you think about all those lines. Danger to manifold. More than you can afford, pal. Overnight parts from Japan, all that stuff. Fast One is probably the most impactful car movie of all time.

[Filippo]

If you want to learn more about it, there's a key channel video all about about it.

[Doug]

This this discussion brought to you by Filippo Summer is here, which means I've got my annual cross country road trip coming up. And before I take off on any trip, I like to make absolutely sure my vehicle is ready for the road. You might have a trip coming up too. So I've got five things from autozone that'll help you get moving. And the Great thing is AutoZone is everywhere. Which means wherever the road takes you, the parts you need are right there. There. Number one Fix Finder if you've got a dash light on, start with a free fix finder scan at AutoZone. It reads your dashboard, signals engine, ABS maintenance, and prints out a report telling you exactly what's going on. An autozoner can point you to the right part or even refer you to a local shop. Fast, easy, totally free. Number two Fluids. Top everything off and don't forget the easy to overlook windshield wiper fluid, brake fluid and coolant. You can order it all on autozone.com and pick it up the same day. Day number three oil. Always, always, always check it. Look at the level and the color on the dipstick. If it's due, don't wait. Ask an AutoZoner to help you grab the right oil and filter for your engine. Number four the essentials Tires, lights and battery. I always check my tire pressure before leaving. I make sure every light works and I check the wipers while I'm at it for the battery, look for corrosion and get it tested. Autozone does that for free. And number five Brakes and belts squealing or whining during braking time for a replacement. Duralast brakes have a 100% noise free guarantee and a factory matched OEM fit. Need to swap a serpentine belt? AutoZone's Loan A Tool program has you covered and the AutoZone app has your belt diagram right there. When it comes to car prep, a little goes a long way. Take care of your car now and it'll take care of you on the road. And if you need a part or a pit stop, Autozone's got you covered. Wherever the trip takes you. Now let's ride. Okay, I want to move on to the talk car segment. The talk car segment is brought to you by the new Lexus es, which I recently drove for a video.

[Kenan]

You know what, and you made a great point in our friend group. You talked about this. Why don't you have a Lexus es?

[Filippo]

That's. I've never wanted a Lexus es.

[Doug]

He will.

[Filippo]

I don't buy sedans.

[Doug]

He's not.

[Filippo]

I don't buy sedans.

[Doug]

Give him time.

[Filippo]

I've owned one sedan of The Kia Spectre 2003.

[Doug]

You don't understand. The new Lexus ES is higher, like the crown, so it gives an S.

[Filippo]

No, in fact, incredibly, I do understand.

[Doug]

I actually. Filippo, I actually have something for you about the Lexus ES that I think that you will appreciate hearing. This is directly from Lexus. In a market overtaken by SUVs, the ES meets the desires of guests who are looking for something different, yet enjoy the spaciousness of an suv. Now, I want to make two points here. First off, they call their customers guests.

[Filippo]

They call us the team members.

[Doug]

Team members.

[Filippo]

I love guests. I love guests. But I want our team members to feel more at home and our community feel more at home. They're part of it. They're not just guests.

[Doug]

They're not guests. That's true. The people who buy the cars. If you're watching the video right now, you're a guest. How about that? Well, move on. It's not our audience. They are our guests.

[Filippo]

No, I don't like that.

[Doug]

Nope. They're our family. Doug. Number two, you need to understand, in a market overtaken by SUVs, it meets the desires of guests who want the spaciousness of an suv.

[Filippo]

Does it?

[Doug]

This is you. I can't talk about it. It's under a bargain. I can't talk about it. But what I can talk about is

[Filippo]

the Lexus tz, which is their new three row ev.

[Doug]

They did have that there. That's not what I want to talk about either. Believe it or not, Fleet was like, can we please talk about the actual things people care about? No. We're going to talk about something that nobody cares about. And it's called the Lexus lbx. Have you ever heard of this car?

[Kenan]

I have.

[Doug]

He's never heard of it.

[Kenan]

Pull up.

[Filippo]

Looked it up when you put it in the dock.

[Doug]

The Lexus LBX is a Lexus car that is not sold in the United States.

[Filippo]

What a shame.

[Doug]

And it's A little luxury cr and you're sitting here thinking I don't care about this, I don't want anything to do with this. It doesn't matter to me.

[Kenan]

It's amazing. You read my mind.

[Doug]

But it does because there is Coral cross, there is Kenan. Perk up a Morizo edition of this with a 300 horsepower all wheel drive manual transmission.

[Kenan]

It's called the RR.

[Filippo]

You are joking.

[Doug]

I'm dead serious. There is market for what consumer? Do you believe this? So this BS little car which is there is a 300 horse turbo 3 cylinder Marizo edition.

[Filippo]

What?

[Kenan]

And I gotta be honest, it looks pretty good.

[Doug]

It looks pretty good. What with a manual transmission.

[Kenan]

That's bring that here. That is very cool.

[Doug]

That's pretty cool.

[Filippo]

So the LBX is based on a core Corolla, not a Corolla Cross like a GR Corolla. Has to be.

[Doug]

Well I think it's based on like the Yar. I think that motor is from the GR Yaris, the Mazenger Corolla.

[Filippo]

But huh.

[Doug]

I guess it's the same powertrain. Those are the only three cars that you have sold?

[Filippo]

Australia and Japan.

[Doug]

Globally. They globally. And it's like globally. I'm on the globe. If you spin a globe, it's going to come to the Americas.

[Filippo]

It shares the platform, the yards cross.

[Doug]

Okay, there is a car out there, a Lexus sport utility vehicle. The same company known for making vehicles that put you to sleep. That is a 300 horsepower manual transmission, four wheel drive, little hot hatch.

[Filippo]

That is a small. If it's based on a Yaris Cross that's so small it's not sold in the US market.

[Doug]

Folks, the best hot hatch on the market today is being made by Lexus. Pull up an interior photo, let's see if it's any good. I haven't done any research on this car of this.

[Filippo]

This is incredible.

[Kenan]

I have to say if Lexus F is continuing, they want to elevate their brand in terms of sportiness and all that.

[Doug]

They don't.

[Kenan]

Well they're claiming to by going racing and things.

[Filippo]

If they did bring this six speed, allegedly the six speed manual a first for Lexus.

[Doug]

That's incredible.

[Kenan]

That's amazing.

[Doug]

I have a feeling this car would

[Kenan]

do pretty well here if they brought it here.

[Filippo]

It's so small and also the entire Yaris platform's not.

[Doug]

I don't think it would do well. But I'm sure they're cautiously awaiting the sales results for the Acura ADX to decide whether or not to bring it which is bigger. Not much if it's that size.

[Kenan]

That is cool.

[Doug]

They are small folks, you're missing out on this. Write to your local Lexus dealership.

[Filippo]

Does Lexus have a presence in Australia outside of the.

[Doug]

Lexus is a global brand. They told me that ES is sold globally, Europe, Asia, China. I'm like really?

[Filippo]

Available globally and sold globally are two different statements.

[Doug]

That's sad. Felipe, how can you say that about the.

[Filippo]

What. What a great find. How. How did you discover this?

[Doug]

I. Cause I was looking to see. At one point I wanted to see how many sedans Lexus had at one point had and how many they've come down to now. Five, by the way. At one point they had five.

[Filippo]

Now they have two.

[Doug]

They have two. And the is who knows if that gets redesigned. And then so I was on like the model line and then I see this thing and I'm like, what the hell?

[Filippo]

This is incredible.

[Doug]

So I click on it thinking it's going to be boring, which obviously most of them are. And I discover this.

[Filippo]

This is incredible. Incredible.

[Doug]

And by the way, it stands for lbx stands for Lexus Breakthrough Crossover.

[Filippo]

I do remember the game we did for the Cars and Beds channel where we had to figure out what they were all named after. So I appreciate you mentioning that.

[Doug]

Lexus Breakthrough Crossover. Anyway, Kenan, what do you got for us?

[Kenan]

Ah, yes. So I have a video out on my channel. I did something. You did something to my mic. M5. I gonna show this. Yes.

[Doug]

This is terrible. I would conceal it and pretend it never happened.

[Kenan]

Well, I. I tell the truth to people, Nick.

[Doug]

Roshan would conceal it and tell people it never happened and then sell the car. Yep.

[Kenan]

Well, I'm never selling the car. So this happens to my M5.

[Doug]

Now I pulled hit a small animal.

[Kenan]

I. That's not true. There are no small animals. There are no animals in San Diego, period.

[Doug]

Hit a moose.

[Kenan]

I hit a moose. Yeah. No, like the A class I. Anyway, so I pulled slightly over a cement parking barrier and it had two metal barbs sticking up. I did not see that. I also didn't hear it. I have dash cam footage of this and I backed up and just went, oh, how tragic. God. And you can see because of the dash cam is right there. I get out of the car and you can see me go like this looking at it. And it did quite a bit of damage which I'm going to. Luckily, none of it's serious. All of it caused cosmetic, but all of it very expensive. The bumper, the belly pan, you remember How I replaced those fender liners. I was so proud. Well, I had to do it again one side because I snapped it. If this snapped the brake duct, it snapped all of this stuff underneath.

[Doug]

I thought you just replaced the bumper.

[Kenan]

No, I had to replace a lot because it broke a lot of things. This like got stuck and ripped all in one spot. And they're all attached there and it ripped all of them.

[Doug]

But you were driving it around after it happened.

[Kenan]

Yeah, cuz I removed all that stuff like I put right there. I took off the belly pan, I took off the throttle bumper.

[Doug]

You know, a lot of folks say, and I'm not one of them, Filippo. I bet a lot of folks say if you remove that stuff and then you drove around with it gone, maybe you didn't need it in the first place. You need it.

[Kenan]

So I say that. Let's take it out. Nobody says that. So yes, it was tough. I did have to drive around with the car a little bit. Nothing mechanical happened. Luckily it didn't hurt the belly pan or the oil pan rather for the car. But nonetheless it was really difficult. But now I do have a new bumper, new fresh paint on the front of it. Looks lovely.

[Doug]

I want to give some real advice to people who, for whom this happens. If you've driven over a parking curb and you realize you drove over a parking curb, the only thing to do in order to prevent this from happening is to keep driving straight. Go over the parking curb with the whole car instead of backing up.

[Kenan]

No, the only thing you can't. I mean because people say well so oh, you could pump up your tires and stuff. It's like this would not have been enough clearance to deal with it.

[Doug]

Quick jacks.

[Kenan]

Yes. Let me just grab those out of my trunk. Cuz I carry those around like that doesn't happen. If I the there was really like also I didn't know I had done it. Had I known that I do know.

[Doug]

Do you agree you would have just kept going straight?

[Kenan]

No, it's a low. Of course not. If it outrageous statement when I could

[Doug]

have would have worked there. A lot of cars. The front's the lowest part.

[Filippo]

Yeah, but you are.

[Kenan]

I could have maybe found some wood and put it on there and backed up and that would have lifted the front.

[Filippo]

That would have been. I like that.

[Kenan]

But I mean I was in downtown San Diego at my gym. Where am I gonna go find some?

[Filippo]

By the way, excellent parking. Quick checks like it's like separated on both sides.

[Kenan]

Well that was, that was the. That was the worst. Well that was one of the bad parts is I pulled in the spot. I was thrilled because I was blocked by a wall on this side. And it's the dream. It's a car enthusiast. Nobody can dording me. Instead I ripped its face off. So it's like I can't win.

[Filippo]

I should say it is back to looking great.

[Kenan]

Yeah. The car looks amazing. Now I'm super happy with it. But it was very expensive. I go into all this in the video and it was. It was 15 seconds that cost me thousands of dollars.

[Doug]

How many thousands?

[Kenan]

Almost four.

[Filippo]

Damn.

[Kenan]

But there was something I wanted to learn. There was something I did want to point out because I worry about parts of this car not being available. Bumpers. They did a whole set of bumpers in 2024. There are thousands of them.

[Doug]

That's good.

[Kenan]

So you can still get bumpers for this car. Which is nice.

[Filippo]

Glad to hear it.

[Kenan]

Other parts you can't. But nonetheless it was.

[Filippo]

Bumpers are important.

[Kenan]

My point I want to make with this is even as careful as I am, things do happen to cars if you use them. I've driven the thing almost 100,000 miles now. And so it. You know, stuff happens and it's a. Ultimately I repaired it. We move on with our lives. But it was. You want to talk about exposure therapy? You remember how I was all upset about the little scuff I had on the front bumper right there.

[Filippo]

It's fixed.

[Kenan]

This was much worse.

[Doug]

Yeah. But now it's gone. So in a way this is actually detrimental to you. Cuz you got that fixed.

[Kenan]

Yeah. But I lived. I had to live with no face on the front of the car for a while. That was worse.

[Doug]

It didn't have a face. It'd be like if I took Filippo's jaw and just.

[Kenan]

That's right.

[Doug]

Yep.

[Kenan]

So I was. This was hard. But I. You know, it also was making me start to think.

[Doug]

About selling the car?

[Kenan]

No, about getting a daily.

[Filippo]

Oh my God.

[Kenan]

About getting a daily and tucking this away. Cuz it's like we're selling the car. This just wasn't. No.

[Doug]

I did think about a couple days ago. I think maybe you should sell the car. I was.

[Filippo]

Were you really thinking of that?

[Doug]

Yeah.

[Kenan]

No, I'm not selling the car.

[Doug]

I'll get into it with you later. Off camera.

[Kenan]

Yeah. It's not going to happen. You've tried. There's no point. Don't wait your breath.

[Doug]

Filippo, you want to talk about the. You went to an event. Yeah.

[Filippo]

We at Cars and Bits were at a Cars and coffee that we put on alongside Tyra and one UP of America and the American Bridgewater Association. And I was there alongside a couple folks from our team and it was very nice. I talked to like hundreds of people from the South Bend area that came down from like hours and hours away.

[Doug]

Hours and hours away. And they were all from the south area.

[Filippo]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Point take it.

[Doug]

It's a big port. It's a big metro. It was Fort Worth.

[Filippo]

I really though appreciate it talking to everybody there. It was very nice. There's some gifts that I need to give you. One of. From one of our viewers and somebody give a little pin for Ryan. He of noac. Ryan.

[Doug]

Ryan Lopez got something.

[Filippo]

Yeah. But it was very nice to kind of connect with so many people in Seawall.

[Doug]

What was the most interesting car there? Anybody bring an lbx?

[Filippo]

No, sadly. But somebody did pull up in a Saturn Ion redline with his dad and his dad was like one of the chief engine engineers behind the LS series of engineers. Engines at GM and a bunch of the other like kind of GM engines that we know.

[Kenan]

A goddamn hero.

[Filippo]

He pulled up in a four cylinder Saturn.

[Doug]

I'm still looking for an Ion red line to review.

[Kenan]

Are you?

[Doug]

Oh yeah. Are you kidding? Those cars are incredible.

[Filippo]

The. The Ion SC whatever or a first

[Doug]

year with the removable with the two tone upper and lower. You know what, the first years they have these removable body. It's a whole thing.

[Filippo]

I don't remember that.

[Kenan]

No.

[Doug]

And four spoke wheels. The Ion was cool when it first came out and they kind of like deconstant.

[Filippo]

All Saturns were kind of great for a bit. I love that series.

[Doug]

It was a short bit. Unfortunately we don't know that because I have a Saturn video I'm not releasing. I don't want anybody to know what's in those files.

[Filippo]

Can I talk about another event though?

[Doug]

We have. Yes, but for two seconds. All right.

[Filippo]

We have an event coming up, Velocity Invitational. We have an incredible lineup of cards that will be there in person and then ending on May 3rd 30th. There's a link in the bio here for the. If you're on. If you're watching on YouTube, go to the page where we have all the auctions that are live. By the time this podcast goes out, there will be 18, if not a little more auctions live with some truly special cars.

[Doug]

The cars we have at this are unboxed. How did you find these cars? Did you do anything you. You.

[Filippo]

But mostly not. No. I don't know these Cars, but we have a 430scud.

[Doug]

You should see.

[Filippo]

We have a Julia TZ1.

[Doug]

Can. May I talk about the car?

[Kenan]

You may well, yes, because one of the cars. I am representing my hub.

[Doug]

What is.

[Kenan]

Is there. This Lamborghini Huracan Performante. So this car is going to be there. Will be there. Filippo will be there.

[Doug]

You did this one.

[Kenan]

I am personally doing this one. Video. Yes. I did a video on this car and I'm representing it for the owner. And it will be there, which I'm very excited about.

[Doug]

Kenan went out to north Alabama the other day. I looked at Kenan's location. He was in Florence, Alabama. I was like, what in God's name is Kenan doing there?

[Kenan]

This is what I was doing.

[Doug]

He was with this Performante, the owner of this car.

[Kenan]

I'm going to be helping him with several of his cars. So he has this Agarda Superleggera and a Garda LP552 Spider. And he has an St. Stl Really Nice STL Alabama, which, if you're not familiar, is truly. Go to the middle of nowhere, turn left and go some more. That's Florence, Alabama.

[Doug]

He's got a bunch of Lambos. Does he have a Mark 4 Super Turbo?

[Kenan]

He does not have a Mark 4 Super Turbo.

[Doug]

Okay, this is cool. The cars we have are unreal.

[Filippo]

There's a 991 speedster. Like, no miles and a narrow body. 1989 speedster.

[Doug]

You don't have a nine speedster.

[Filippo]

I don't know anything.

[Doug]

Of course, Filippo brings up Porsches.

[Filippo]

And also there'll be an incredibly low miles.

[Doug]

Cosworth.

[Filippo]

There'll be an incredibly low mile. R34 GT R V Spec.

[Doug]

Midnight Purple.

[Filippo]

Midnight Purple. It's a special, special car. These will all be live when you're watching this, by the way, so go check them out.

[Doug]

Go check them out. These. This is the coolest cars we've ever auctioned in our entire life. As an auction, it's a pretty serious

[Filippo]

group of cars if I'm across the 18 cars. I was doing the math earlier. It's something like four and a half million dollars in cars.

[Doug]

Oh, damn it.

[Filippo]

A lot.

[Doug]

Filippo. Filippo, the math man is salivating at the revenue opportunity for cars. Our.

[Filippo]

Our fee is cap. And so our take, our effective take rate will be very, very low on cars.

[Doug]

Make money says, ooh, cars and bids.

[Filippo]

That' exactly what I say.

[Kenan]

That is exactly what he said.

[Doug]

It is Flippa does when he goes home, folks, it is my literal job. I want to Move on to the market report. Speaking of this stuff, I want to move on to the market report, which of course is brought to you by Cars and Bids. Cars and Bids. Oh, Sean's looking at me. No, Sean, don't go back down.

[Kenan]

Put the headphones back on.

[Doug]

Cars Bids is the finest auction platform on the planet for anything. No cars or not. It's even better than all the other stuff.

[Kenan]

Yeah, we've auctioned all their stuff.

[Filippo]

We have auctioned a couch once.

[Doug]

There's even Cars and Bids, there's now Even Cars and Friends, which is a great podcast, buds.

[Kenan]

But we'll move on.

[Doug]

I did a video recently with Jason Kamisa and it was quite something.

[Filippo]

I have yet to watch it, but

[Doug]

I'm told it's great.

[Filippo]

There's better. Some controversial ones coming.

[Doug]

There's better ones coming. That was good. There's better ones coming. We even did a video. Jason and Doug share their controversial automotive opinions.

[Filippo]

Please. Teeth. Teeth. One.

[Doug]

Okay. One of mine is that Filippo shouldn't be allowed to drive.

[Filippo]

I'm a pretty good driver. Never been an accident.

[Kenan]

Agrees with that.

[Filippo]

Never like injured a car.

[Doug]

Okay, I want to move on to the market report eventually. The market report actually of course is brought to you by the Lexus lbx. The Lexus lbx. It is the best hot hatch for sale today.

[Filippo]

Sadly not for sale in the US Global view. I want one. I want Filippo.

[Doug]

Give us one market report and then Kenan's gonna give us one. And then we're gonna move on to the questions.

[Filippo]

Okay, let's talk about things that I like, which is cheap full size SUVs.

[Doug]

Let's talk about that XR.

[Filippo]

No, no, start with the Q7.

[Doug]

You know what? I gave you this X50. You owe me big.

[Filippo]

Okay, we sold this Q7 for $16,000. The Q7, still the same as this generation, hasn't changed.

[Doug]

But on top it looks great and

[Filippo]

it has a bunch of legitimately good performance mods. 034 motors, good audi modifier modif.

[Doug]

This is a $16,000 car and it looks beautiful.

[Filippo]

It's like 90 something thousand.

[Doug]

So the XC90 was even more important.

[Filippo]

The XC90 we failed to sell. Failed to sell. Although it is in the right ballpark for value. Cuz I. I've looked at IC90s.

[Doug]

So I send this XC90 to Filippo. I send this X90. I sent it to two people, Filippo and my buddy Perry. And I sent it to both of them.

[Filippo]

Why don't you send it to us?

[Doug]

I don't know I don't know but I sent it to both of them. We're on. One text I sent individual. I sent to both of them and I said I can't believe it's a $15,000 used car. And they both said yeah. And it and a lot and it almost looks like a brand new one.

[Filippo]

It does.

[Doug]

And I was thinking to myself, almost. I'm like, no, they both. No one can tell it apart from a new one. Most people can't tell apart from new one. I said most people I can't tell it apart from. I have no clue. To me if I saw my neighbor get one of these like damn, they just got a new.

[Filippo]

There was a facelift in 25 which looks worse part of it. It is incredible. So this is.

[Doug]

It's a $15,000 car.

[Kenan]

Does not look like it.

[Filippo]

20, 20, 23 had a bunch of upgrades to the plug in hybrid.

[Doug]

But nevertheless you could buy this and look rich today.

[Filippo]

You would look rich and you'd be safe.

[Kenan]

No, the point of this is like I was talking about as a daily to retire the M5 as a daily. It's like there are a lot of.

[Doug]

If you can't drive an XC9.

[Kenan]

No, obviously I can't. But like there are. There are appealing options out.

[Doug]

Go Back to that Q7.

[Filippo]

The Q7.

[Doug]

Look at it again. I just want to see the.

[Filippo]

They're all general, all of them incredibly. Just that one was a beautiful color with some.

[Doug]

Look at these results. These 13,000 for 17.

[Filippo]

I know it's appeal it wow.

[Doug]

148 for this. This is a brand new looking car.

[Filippo]

It is truly incredibly appealing.

[Doug]

Current design.

[Filippo]

Yes, it's incredibly appealing. We have our station wagon which I love and will keep for a long time. But my wife has always wanted either a V6 RAV4 that was her dream car for years or an XC90. XC90. You know it could be something that we make happen for 15 grand.

[Doug]

Well, you know you can get an early XC90 for like two first gen. Pull up XC90.

[Filippo]

She's a seventh, she's a second gen

[Doug]

fan or order by lowest price. Let's see how cheap these got.

[Filippo]

Oh, free. Look at this.

[Doug]

That is to this day. I'm going to go out on a limb. Click on that one. That is to this day the greatest looking SUV of all time.

[Filippo]

E53 X5.

[Kenan]

Yeah, I put the X5 in as well.

[Doug]

This is the greatest.

[Filippo]

I do Love these. Yamaha V8.

[Doug]

Yamaha V8 straight pipette.

[Filippo]

Although this one there was a Few years when it wasn't the Yamaha V8.

[Doug]

All right, Kenan, can you give us a market report please?

[Kenan]

Yes. I noticed something interesting this past week. So we sold a car that. I'm not sure it's going to come up like that.

[Filippo]

It's sold. So. Yes, that more.

[Kenan]

Oh wait, we have a lot of Chevy. Really did not realize it turns out also.

[Filippo]

Oh yeah. Wow. My goodness. This closed three days ago. There's 12.

[Kenan]

Yeah, we sold.

[Filippo]

We sold.

[Doug]

Did you see the result here?

[Filippo]

Just so people know if they are in, we have 275 cars live at any given moment. Now 55 a day, you got to

[Kenan]

scroll back in the day. Yeah. But six years ago almost we start.

[Doug]

Yeah.

[Kenan]

So this is a 1922 Chevy Four Night Touring. So this is a pre war car. This is a brass era, which is completely incorrect, that ended in 1915. But this car, this car, this sold for 4,720American dollars. Now here's the thing. This is like a canary in the coal mine to me. When I think about like, you know, a lot of people talk about like oh, cars from the 1950s. The generation that appreciates those is diminishing. We'll say. Yeah, and what's going to happen to those cars? This, this is what is going to happen to those cars.

[Doug]

Type in Chevelle. Type in Chevelle.

[Kenan]

Yeah.

[Doug]

I had a buddy, a neighbor of mine sell his shop, Chevelle. This car 47, he sold it for and he had bought it years ago on bring the trailer and he modded it, made it nice. It's a really nice car.

[Kenan]

It looks nice. Yeah.

[Doug]

And he sold it for about what he paid for. He put a lot of money and it sold about what he paid for. I think he was disappointed. But I've been watching over at the. Bring the trailer. The old Porsches, it ain't pretty. The really old ones, modern stuff. The993 is the modern air cooled. And this is a trend. This is so clearly happening. This car is definitely a bit of a bellwether because it's really old. Four grand. I mean come on. It is non running but the car probably is four moving parts. Right?

[Filippo]

Right.

[Kenan]

Yeah. Let's say you get double the amount that's into it. Like, I mean, you know what I mean? It's not.

[Filippo]

Yeah, yeah.

[Doug]

But that Chevelle, old 911s, long hoods, the kind of stuff Sean's into, the. This world, this world is changing.

[Kenan]

I agree.

[Doug]

The 60s stuff, the 50s stuff, the 20s stuff.

[Kenan]

Right. I realize this is a bit of a stretch, but my point remains. Like, I think this is a signal, Jerry. And as you see, see, all of these cars, all these modern Ferraris and all these more modern cars from kind of our era become expensive. The changing of the guard is happening. And like, you know, even like David Lee's 250 GTO result, like people said, that was low. It's like, I don't know.

[Doug]

I think that's kind of incorrect and probably falling. Yeah, exactly. There will be a time when the 250 GTO is not the world's most expensive car. Granted, it's that Mercedes that sold for 150 million, but that was like a one of one. Like the 250 GT as a theme, I suspect will eventually get replaced by vehicles such as the Career GT with the Formula one powertrain, which it does

[Kenan]

not have, of course, but nonetheless, an interesting case study.

[Doug]

It is an interesting case study.

[Filippo]

Since you brought up Porsches, can I say one thing about Porsche market?

[Doug]

Okay, here we go.

[Filippo]

Look up.

[Kenan]

What. What tidbit are you going to hit us with here? We haven't heard before.

[Doug]

We got to talk about Porsches today.

[Kenan]

He's just a Porsche guy. God. You know him getting a 9 11.

[Filippo]

Click on that blue one. That the 20, 20 911. 10,000 miles, Miami blue.

[Doug]

Yep.

[Filippo]

Sticker on it was 137. Yep. So with old Porsches going down, new Porsches, apparently, even automatic Super 992s that are so replaceable are at.

[Kenan]

Because it takes no to own one. I think that's part of it.

[Doug]

But there's. Even for an enthusiast, you know, that's. It's a good daily.

[Kenan]

Great daily. It's a great daily at.

[Filippo]

@msrp. 60 years later, if you. I don't get it.

[Doug]

If you've got something special in the garage you want to preserve, like a Mark 4 supra. This is a good day. Yeah.

[Filippo]

By the way, obviously, good photos, no

[Doug]

reserve, etc, but so in good color and low miles. Because it's not like they made money on it. I mean, they only drove. They only got 10,000 miles out of six years. So there was a barely driven car and it still dropped. But your point is.

[Filippo]

Well, it still dropped.

[Doug]

You know, a Highlander, right. You wouldn't. You would have lost more money on a Highlander, people. Oh, the Porsches are so expensive. Well, actually, tco, the Highlander is more expensive somehow. Yeah. Okay, time for the questions. Time for the questions. The questions, of course, are brought to you by Kenan's hair, Kenan's hair.

[Kenan]

There's lots of it and it's very thick.

[Doug]

You too can ask your own question. You can't have hair like that.

[Filippo]

No, not. I've tried. It does not work.

[Kenan]

I feel very lucky as I'm 30, I have lots of hair.

[Doug]

But you can ask a question. You go to carsandbids.com, you click somewhere on the Community tab, then you click somewhere in there and you go to the podcast.

[Filippo]

Also, there's a link in the description.

[Doug]

Okay, questions, we want your good questions this week. They were pretty good. So we're going to answer a few few of them starting with one us. It's like Lewis, but the one is an L. The L is a one. Hey Doug, curious on pre production cars after I saw the EX60 video, do they let you drive it? Just not review it? When you do drive them, are they really rough? No. Usually the pre production cars when I get them to review are actually production cars that they claim are pre production cars. They usually are made on the assembly line. They usually are made with basically all the same tolerances and stuff, but there might be a few little things that aren't quite working perfectly. The main reason that we're not allowed to actually drive a driving review pre production cars is it's an embargo thing. They don't want me to have an advantage over other people. Whatever. They don't want to kind of piecemeal give out cars to people. So there's going to be a actual launch that where they actually have people drive the cars all at once so they can do a true embargo release of all the reviews.

[Filippo]

I remember the Ford Bronco for you being an exception to that. Right?

[Doug]

There have been a few that I've done cars that were basically concept cars that weren't actually running. But stuff like the EX16, I've done it with a bunch of other cars actually where they're pre production. But like the ID buzz I did a long time ago, it was pre production but like it was production but they want to tell you that it's pre production to kind of couch any potential issues. And there might be some potential issues, but usually the cars are pretty much ready to go. They just. You can't. That's if you're going to release a car, you can't release it to one person. You have to wait until all the production ready cars and all the people are at the same place. And that's just the fair way to do it. We're all about fairness here. Next question from Ryan D79. Kevin. This is for us. Dear Doug, in general, you seem to prefer unmodified cars. During the WS6 video, though, you mentioned how good the aftermarket shift knob was. Yeah, but you should see how good the OE one is. You tell them what was your favorite modification? Are there any modifications that you thought you wouldn't like that you did like? I'm not opposed to modifications.

[Kenan]

I'm not. Particularly in the case of reliability. That's a big one. Or usability. So, for instance, like adding a Bluetooth module to a car or something that gives you the ability to stream your phone to the car. Fantastic. Makes the user experience much better, more or less.

[Doug]

All of my cars are modified. That car is not. But the other ones, I mean, we added an axle lift and a Bluetooth and heated seats to the Courier gt. The Countach got a built motor. Hell yeah.

[Filippo]

Hell yeah.

[Doug]

The Ford GT's got stuff. I mean, they. All. The short shifter and exhaust, they all have stuff. I'm not opposed to modifications. I just. Some people. And I'm not gonna. I'm not gonna name anybody. I don't want to embarrass Ryan Lopez, but some people take it a little far.

[Kenan]

Well, when you, when you completely transform the experience of the car in a way that makes it objectively worse and harder to use because it bottoms out on a leaf. Like, it just is not like, reasonable. Like, I just don't like that. Like, I want to use the car I drive. So, like.

[Doug]

Exactly. You know, I think that the. That some. That the modifications I don't like are the ones that either drastically change the look from a car that's look I already liked, or ones that change the driving experience to make it significantly worse. Now there's arguments over what worse could be. Ryan would argue that his drift car is better because of how he modified it, which may be true, but he also can no longer drive the car. Right. Right.

[Kenan]

I have not seen it leave this office a long time. Sits over there.

[Filippo]

But he can drift. Drift the car.

[Doug]

He can drift the car also.

[Kenan]

Never seen him do that.

[Doug]

Never seen him do that.

[Kenan]

See him drive to cars and coffee and it sits statically there. But yeah, that's. So that's where the. Yeah. Especially the reliability thing, because there's nothing less cool than breaking down on a car.

[Doug]

Yeah. So, I mean, I'm not opposed to mods. I just, I, I would. I have a limit. My limit is probably shorter than what most people's limit is. But all my cars are modded in some capacity. I just get it. You put the big wheels on and then this and then that and blackout stuff and it starts to be like, I'm not really into that. Those kinds of. Of mods. That's what I would say.

[Kenan]

Yeah, exactly. And neither is the market that will then buy your car after that. They're. They.

[Filippo]

With some exceptions, right?

[Kenan]

With. Yeah, very far and few between.

[Doug]

And part of the question is, has there ever been a mod that you thought you wouldn't like that you did like? There are some wheels that I think are okay. Other than that. Yeah, some stuff. I mean, short shifters. Nothing that I go in thinking I'm not going to like.

[Kenan]

No, there. Yeah, there are definitely some mods I've seen. I saw an R53 Mini, just a nice little red one with white oz wheels on it it and it looked so nice. I was like, that's cool. Like I'm here for that.

[Filippo]

There's also a lot of like exhausts that do actually sound good or open up an engine note or whatever.

[Kenan]

Yes, there are some that are approved.

[Doug]

Okay, next question from Rex7277. Dear Doug, what happened to the bloopers at the end of the video? This is a question for Nick, our editor, not Crazy Nick, who I wouldn't trust to edit pin.

[Kenan]

God. Oh my God, can you imagine?

[Doug]

Edit a tin can.

[Kenan]

I don't disagree. I don't know what that means, but I do want.

[Doug]

I wouldn't trust Crazy Dick to edit a voice message that James Engelsman sends me from. Anyway, what happened to the bloopers? The answer is I became a professional. I don't have any bloopers. Yep, next question.

[Kenan]

The editor, Nick, is nodding.

[Doug]

Very rare. I used to have more, but like I'm pretty good at this now. And it's actually very unusual that I like mess up. And when I do, I usually just start again. There's not much laughter and stuff. Sometimes it happens, but it's rare. It's rare. The tz, we got an Alpha TZ coming. That's. But that's live, right? That's live right now. There's a blooper in this week's video. Take that, Mrrex7277. Next question from DaddyDoug26. We're speeding through these Daddy Doug and friends carmakers saw how iconic the lightweight three seater sports cars like the F1 and T50 are. Why don't other automakers make them now that they see how Gordon Murray was able to, to do it. Gordon Murray was not able to do it. It's an important distinction. The T50 is not legal in the US it's only here under shore display, which is a law created for very special, very limited production cars to come in and be driven by rich guys. And there are airbag regulations that prevent three seater seating arrangement in vehicles. The McLaren Speedtail had the same problem. It also is a three seater one in the center, two the sides. The side seats, even though there are probably airbags somewhere in front of them, are not close enough to the airbag to comply with U.S. regulations. So the Speedtail also was a car that had to be brought on a shore display. You cannot. The question is actually how. Now that they've seen Gordon Murray has been able to mass produce it, why don't other automakers do it? There's no mass production of this. The only way that these cars are allowed to be sold in the US is through their shore display, which hinges on their low production. There will be no other cars unless they could figure out all away to get an airbag in front of those middle passenger, those side passengers. But that's basically impossible because of egress. Like you'd have to put an airbag essentially where the door opening is to get to climbing inside. I don't think it's possible. Anything to add? You wish they had them.

[Kenan]

Oh God, yes.

[Doug]

Next question from xt, Ben. This is one for Ken and dear Doug, but it's for Kenan. As you grow older again for Canon, do you find that you have less patience for daily driving a fun car? Will you not tolerate daily in car with sporty suspension, for example, big bolstered seats, etc.

[Kenan]

Yeah, well, I mean, luckily my daily driver is pretty comfortable as you get older, you know, I have run into situations where I'm like, it doesn't need to be a manual for this situation, which is something I never thought I would say. That said I did buy an automatic and I was like this is. What am I doing? This is boring. And I went back to a have a manual. So I'm not quite there yet. I'm on the precipice.

[Doug]

But when you drive hard edged cars, do you feel now different than you did when you were 23?

[Kenan]

I've always felt like this really like

[Doug]

when you drove those types of cars when you were young, like you occasionally would get r, you know.

[Kenan]

You know, I like it on occasions. Like I like the, the four day Dona coupe that I drove, that. I mean that thing was I mean that's a race car. Make no mistake about it. And I loved it. But I'm like this is great as a fifth car in your garage. I would not want to that as the second car.

[Doug]

And you've always felt this way. This hasn't changed as you've gotten older.

[Kenan]

No, for me no. I, I've always liked to slightly more comfortable.

[Doug]

Filipo, you've obviously never been into sports cars. Obviously. For me, yes. Deeply.

[Filippo]

I, I you there's been a noticeable change.

[Doug]

Yeah. Like I daily boring cars.

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[Doug]

Yeah.

[Filippo]

Three twin turbo.

[Kenan]

The all I said I think the all the All Terrain was kind of like an eye opening thing. That car is just like you did.

[Filippo]

Four and a half seconds. Zero.

[Doug]

Yeah. Remember that car's faster than Nick's wagon. Zero to 60. Especially with Nick driving. Yeah.

[Kenan]

But it's so comfortable and it's like its purpose is just like nice. Everything about it is just nice.

[Doug]

Yeah.

[Kenan]

Daily that's what you want.

[Doug]

More into that. Definitely true.

[Filippo]

Can I share a story? I mentioned that, I mentioned a few weeks ago that my wife who drives a lot.

[Doug]

Yeah.

[Filippo]

And in traffic was getting a little tired of having a manual transmission. Today she's in a Hyundai Elantra rental car because bunch of logistical reasons and she called me on her way up to toward Riverside and complained that I wasn't peppy enough and that it didn't handle well enough.

[Doug]

Wow.

[Kenan]

So didn't handle well enough. What was she doing?

[Filippo]

I don't ask questions.

[Doug]

She. Well tell me what she's doing. She's gotten experience in a gti.

[Kenan]

She's, she's white line certified now.

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[Kenan]

We're going to.

[Filippo]

She doesn't feel that way.

[Doug]

We're going to do one more question. One more question from Ink Droid B With BMW stopping Production of the Z4 Jaguar F type is gone. Porsche's Boxster is gone. Do roadsters have any hope in the US market? The Miata first off not just the US market but globally. The TT is not mentioned there. That's also gone. But it might be. The Mercedes SLK is gone. SLC is gone.

[Filippo]

The CLE though is around.

[Doug]

Yes. But it's a question about roadsters which I think specifically is referring to two seater.

[Filippo]

We did, we did forget to talk about. The G4 is dead.

[Doug]

Dead. The Z4 is dead.

[Filippo]

We didn't talk about the news but

[Doug]

our roadster is gone. I'll tell you this. The most popular convertible on sale today.

[Filippo]

Jeep Wrangler. The Jeep Wrangler roadsters live it Might be the Ford Bronco this year, we don't know yet.

[Doug]

But I do think that there is less and less of a market for those cars. And the SUV killed them like it killed everything else.

[Filippo]

I also think that part of the premise of a roadster is some relative effect, affordability. Like the people that want more luxury and higher end are probably going to want four seats or just more space. It's like the roadster specifically is like an affordable segment comparatively that is also kind of just gone, I think.

[Doug]

So the new SL became a roadster that's not selling at all to utter trash. I think that the market, the Gran Turismo, four seats, I think even then just convertibles. Like, I think that the market has generally sort of started to reject less practical cars. Except for, except for the Mustang, except

[Filippo]

for two seats, manual top, the Miata,

[Doug]

I mean, to a degree, I guess, you know, the miata's in its 13th year in its life cycle because there's not a lot of will to redesign, right? I think that they will redesign. But like, it's not like every, it used to be where, like, you know, there was a convertible version of the Chevy Cavalier, the Toyota Paseo, the Honda Civic, like all these cars. Cars. Yeah, dude, the Civic convertible, look it up. It was called the Del Sol.

[Filippo]

Well, yeah, that's why. But that was a separate model.

[Doug]

Oh, it was a separate model.

[Filippo]

I, I was trying to think if there was ever, if it was ever called called the Civic convertible.

[Doug]

It was called the Civic Del Sol. Civic of the sun.

[Filippo]

That's true.

[Doug]

Civic of the Sun. Point taken in this case. Anyway, the convertibles are gone. I, I, I do really legitimately believe that the SUV played a big role in that. I think that there used to be that in order to have any sort of performance, you had to get sort of a sportier car. And these days everything has pretty good performance. And also people want to set up high and have practicality. And the fact that they're able to do all that in one vehicle, as opposed to compromising on stuff that roadsters used to make you compromise on. Why not just get an Evoque? It's as fast as a roadster, it's cool. And it also can fit all your friends and your dog and your, and your Frisbee Golf if you're fully sleep.

[Filippo]

I'm, I do miss Frisbee Golf. Used to play.

[Doug]

I knew it. I knew it. I never knew that. Surprise.

[Filippo]

I do think that I'm excited for Lexus's PR speak when they reveal the ES convertible. I. I can do everything a normal convertible can.

[Doug]

What Lexus should do is give us the lbx. We want the lbx. Start a letter writing campaign. Go to your Lexus dealer.

[Kenan]

Marizo edition.

[Doug]

Specifically, I want the regular trash.

[Kenan]

Gotta say that.

[Doug]

Any final, final words? Sean, do we have to promote anything that you haven't told us yet to promote? We did it.

[Filippo]

I'm pretty good at slipping those in.

[Kenan]

Yes, you.

[Doug]

Filippo slips it in.

[Kenan]

Check out all the velocity cars. I also did a video on Mach 1 that's coming soon.

[Filippo]

Yeah, the. The velocity cars are so cool. So cool.

[Doug]

Goodbye, everyone. Goodbye.