The Kia Soul is Dead. Cost to Insure My Cars? Jaguar Land Rover is Back!

Summary

THIS CAR POD! with Doug DeMuro & Friends!

Episode: The Kia Soul is Dead. Cost to Insure My Cars? Jaguar Land Rover is Back!

Date: October 10, 2025
Guests: Doug DeMuro (Host), Kenan, Nick (guest host, filling in for Filippo)

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Episode Overview

This episode of THIS CAR POD! is a lively tour through the latest car news, used car market insights, personal updates, and deep-dive discussions on enthusiast favorites. Doug, Kenan, and guest host Nick touch on the demise of the Kia Soul, surprising Hyundai and Tesla developments, Jaguar Land Rover’s recovery after a cyber attack, bold new concepts from Lamborghini, Ferrari’s test track innovations, Porsche's motorsport moves, and personal stories about car buying, selling, and owning. The team also fielded a hefty batch of insightful audience questions ranging from insurance costs, modifying cars, and personal breaks from car enthusiasm.

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Major Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Death of the Kia Soul and Shifting Strategies at Kia

• Kia Soul discontinued: Once the brand’s star, the Soul is being dropped due to low profitability and the market’s shift towards larger, higher-margin vehicles, especially SUVs like the Telluride.
  • “The market has moved on. People want SUVs. I also wonder if Kia...is going to start stepping up...like the Telluride has become so popular.” — Doug [00:51]
• Soul’s reputation: The hosts discuss how the Soul defined perceptions of Kia.
  • "It seems like the opposite of a halo car where it anchors people...Oh, they make crappy cars." — Nick [01:18]
  • Nick likens the Soul to his own “ugly but practical” Fiat Multipla.
  • “If you were going into the dealership to buy a new compact car, you could do a lot worse than a Kia Soul.” — Doug [02:25]

2. Hyundai Building a Real Pickup for America

• Hyundai’s body-on-frame pickup truck coming to the US by 2030:
  • The new truck will not be a partnership — it's an in-house, midsize, body-on-frame model (i.e., a "real" truck), with speculation about an accompanying SUV.
  • “All they have said is they are developing an in house...body on frame pickup truck, midsize pickup truck in the US market.” — Doug [03:02]
  • Cylcical discussion about how imports are now well-accepted in midsize truck segment (Tacoma, Frontier).
  • Questions on whether a Kia version may follow.
  • Panel banter about fender flares and off-road truck aesthetics (carbon fiber, camo, etc.).
• Memorable moment: Doug jokes about plastic-flared fenders looking tougher, Nick’s “paint-matched fenders look like a diaper” jibe [05:23].

3. Tesla’s Strong Q3 and the Cheaper Tesla Promise

• Tesla financials: Tesla surprises with record Q3 profits and fresh optimism after subsidy phaseouts.
  • "Record Q3 is great if you own a stock." — Nick [07:36]
  • “The subsidies ended the day that Q4 started. So a ton of people pulled forward their vehicle purchases...into Q3.” — Doug [07:56]
• New entry-level Teslas: Discussion of de-contented, cheaper models coming soon.
  • "Those cheap Teslas that have been promised for so long are finally going to become a thing." — Nick [08:12]
  • Notable that some features (like self-driving) may be left out of base cars but could be added later via software.
• Speculation on EV market health post-subsidy and for high-end models (e.g., Pininfarina Battista).

4. Jaguar Land Rover Factory: Cyber Attack Recovery

• JLR reopens after ransomware attack: Factory is coming back online, starting with key assembly lines.
  • “Well, they've opened back up again...it's starting a little bit smaller...by the end of the week or end of next week, they will be back to operation.” — Kenan [09:59]
  • Playful speculation on whether hackers were “paid off” in new Range Rovers [10:31].
• Impact on sales: JLR down 24% YoY, blame partly on production issues, but panel doubts that's the whole story.
• Land Rover Defender: Discussion of Defender’s aging but still “cool” status, with Doug reflecting on his long cross-country journeys and the vehicle’s off-road prowess.

5. Lamborghini’s Wild Future: Manifesto Concept & Off-road Supercars

• Manifesto Concept: Lamborghini's dramatically impractical doorless, windscreen-less concept car wows the team.
  • “To me it just looks like...is it a shape? It looks like a shape, but that's what's cool about it.” — Kenan [15:58]
  • General agreement: “impracticality is the point” for modern hypercars.
• More crazy models planned: Lamborghini says more offroad-inspired or lifted supercars (like the Huracan Sterrato) are coming.
  • Discussion of why they don’t do a “Urus 4x4 Squared”-type model.
• Memorable quote: “The impracticality though is part of the point. The Valkyrie, all of these insane hypercars coming out now...being difficult and quirky...is now one of the main selling points.” — Nick [16:47]
• Lamborghini model naming digression: Riffing on the LM002 SUV’s “worst name” due to starting with zeros, and fun with “Lamborghini John Tamarion” in-joke [20:10].

6. Ferrari’s New Fiorano ‘Evortex’ Track

• Track expansion: Ferrari adds a new, varied test track section to simulate real road conditions and allow more on-site prototype testing.
  • “They acquired 37,000 square meters...to build this. And it's 2 kilometers long.” — Kenan [23:13]
  • Amusing speculation on why there's a sand trap—potentially for Purosangue SUV testing.
• Nostalgia for classic factory tours and spy shots; neighborhood complaints about noise.

7. Porsche Pulls Out of WEC, Doubles Down on IMSA and Formula E

• Headline: Porsche leaves World Endurance Championship to focus efforts elsewhere.
  • “They are going to focus instead on Formula E and IMSA. But no more competition in WEC, which I think is sad.” — Kenan [24:48]
  • Speculation that recent financial struggles may have driven the decision.
  • Humor around the “pinnacle” of motorsport, comparing Formula One to WEC and Formula E.

8. Personal Car Updates: Buying, Selling, and Insuring Supercars

• Doug’s car wants: He wants an arena red 993 Turbo and reflects on his “cars I should have bought” list, including passing on a 993 Turbo supposedly owned by “Morgan Freeman” (not the actor).
• Nick selling his Murciélago: It’ll be live on Cars & Bids—first publicly sold manual-converted example. Doug to review it.
  • Nick hints at swapping for a fire-damaged SLR McLaren, sparking group debate about whether this is a smart move.
  • “I think you are going to really enjoy it. It does not drive as well as a mid-engine supercar, but it has some really cool benefits including high speed and it looks crazy.” — Doug [33:41]
• Multipla update: Nick's recently imported Fiat Multipla is now (barely) street legal in California, albeit with a zip-tie door handle.
• Insurance costs: Doug spends nearly $20,000/year insuring his collection, with $10,000 of that going just to the Carrera GT.
  • “My bill at Hagerty, which comes due every February, is almost $20,000 a year.” — Doug [81:07]

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Memorable Quotes & Moments

• “The impracticality though is part of the point. The Valkyrie, all of these insane hypercars...them being difficult and quirky is now one of the main selling points.” — Nick [16:47]
• “I am going to posit a theory...Lamborghini supercars will one day be valued and considered as the Ferrari supercars.” — Doug [44:11]
• “When a car becomes valuable, it's because the next gen screwed up things...but with the 1M, BMW followed this up with a car that is by all measures better. However, the market is just in love with this car.” — Doug [57:38]
• “My guilty pleasure is carbon fiber vented hoods...I love it. I think it's the Steve Saleen influence—the more vents, the faster.” — Nick [72:24]
• On old car content not performing: “This is one of the reasons I don’t do old cars. ...I filmed those five kind of famous Italian exotic cars...that one [a Hyundai Equus] did the best.” — Doug [55:12]

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Listener Q&A Highlights

Modifications: Yay or Nay?

• Doug and Kenan are purists; Nick is a fan of aesthetic mods (CSL bits, spacers, carbon fiber hoods).
• “There is not a single car I have ever thought looked better lowered than OE.” — Doug [71:23]
• Riffing on RUF as an automaker: Doug provocatively argues RUF is “not an automaker” [74:36].
• “Roof does not pass the 'my wife test.'” — Doug [75:08]

Taking Breaks from Car Obsession

• Kenan sometimes diverts to other hobbies but returns; Doug and Nick have never truly taken a mental break.
  • “I've never taken a break in my life. Not even for a minute." — Doug [77:46]

Costs of Insuring & Owning Multiple Cars

• Doug’s insurance: Nearly $20K/year; $10K just for the Carrera GT. Registration costs low since most are older vehicles.
  • “Career GT is about 10 grand a year to insure, it's a thousand bucks a month.” — Doug [80:55]
• Nick’s Murciélago: $5-6K/year, and the Bentley Arnage is so cheap to insure it brings down his policy total.

Other Audience Questions

• Accidental stalling: Still happens, especially with unusual cars.
• Thoughts on Larry Chen’s Brunei collection video: Cool, but “not the real haul” (the insane, secret stuff).

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Used Car Market Report (Timestamps 57:08+)

BMW 1M:

• One-owner, 24K miles, $72K—a testament to cult status and enduring value.
  • "It's crazy to me that these cars are still so valuable..." — Doug [57:38]

C4 Corvette ZR-1:

• Panel gushes about the unique LT5 engine; a hidden gem for $20K but admits project cars are always a gamble.

Mid-Engine GTI Build:

• Oddball sleeper, mid-engine swapped Mk6 GTI sells for under $10K. “Cool as hell...but you’ll always be tinkering with it.”

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Fun Digressions & Running Gags

• Endless in-jokes: “Lamborghini John Tamarion,” “Murciélago values,” zip-tied door handles.
• The “merciless” debate on SL65 vs SLR, and Nick’s ongoing quest for obscure 2000s silver Mercedes wagons.
• Critique of classic car content getting low Youtube views vs newer curiosities.
• Doug’s “collecting supercar theory”—Lamborghini’s big four will be the next collectible set, Ferrari’s club is too muddied.

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Closing: What’s Next?

• Mercielago manual conversion will be live for sale; Doug to film review.
• Nick teases SLR content; Kenan and Filippo prepping for Road Atlanta’s Petit Le Mans.
• Harry Metcalfe’s 250 GTO video gets a rave, but the panel laments general lack of appreciation for classic car media online.

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Table of Timestamps for Key Segments

| Segment | Timestamp | |----------------------------------------------------|-------------| | Kia Soul Discontinued | 00:25–02:25 | | Hyundai Pickup Truck News | 03:01–07:00 | | Tesla Profits, Subsidies, Cheaper Models | 07:30–09:50 | | Jaguar Land Rover Factory Reopens | 09:59–14:04 | | Lamborghini Concepts & Off-road Future | 15:29–22:23 | | Ferrari Evortex Track | 22:23–24:46 | | Porsche Exits WEC | 24:48–28:29 | | Personal Car Updates (Mercy, SLR, Multipla) | 28:31–44:11 | | Doug’s Big Theory: Lamborghini Collectibles | 44:11–47:59 | | Market Report (1M, ZR1, Grand Sport, GTI swap) | 57:01–69:20 | | Modding Cars: Panel Debate | 70:24–76:01 | | Q&A: Breaks from Car Obsession | 77:13–79:58 | | Q&A: Owning & Insuring Multiple Cars | 79:58–82:55 | | Q&A: Manual Car Stalling | 82:55–85:09 | | Larry Chen/Brunei Collection Video | 85:26–87:05 |

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This episode brims with passionate, knowledgeable, often comic takes on the automotive world—essential listening for market-focused enthusiasts and Doug DeMuro fans alike!

Transcript

[Nick]

Foreign.

[Doug]

Welcome to this car pod.

[Kenan]

I am Kenan.

[Nick]

I'm Nick.

[Doug]

Nick is filling in today. Filippo is gone. He's in Atlanta.

[Kenan]

Yes.

[Doug]

Kenan's gonna be there soon at the road. Atlanta. Track day at the Petite Le Mans for imsa.

[Kenan]

Very exciting.

[Doug]

Felipe's already there because he's filming some video than Aston Martin. You'll find out all. We have to start with the news.

[Kenan]

Nobody knows why, but yes to the news.

[Doug]

Ah, folks, the Kia Soul is being canceled.

[Nick]

Oh.

[Doug]

You know, there was a time not long ago where this was the most popular car in Kia's lineup.

[Kenan]

Totally. I'm seeing, I mean this ad in particular when they did. Yeah, nice dancing thing.

[Doug]

It was hot when the ad first came out, all that. But I think like the beginning, like late first gen, beginning second gen, maybe 10 years ago it was truly the most popular car in Kia's lineup.

[Kenan]

And now it's dead.

[Doug]

And now it's dead. Small cars are hard to make money selling. The market has moved on. People want SUVs. I also wonder if Kia has kind of made the decision like they're going to start stepping up into like the Telluride has become so popular, like they're going to start trying to stepping up into like more, you know, they can make more profit, like a more legitimate kind of stuff as opposed to being associated with like tiny cars, which was all we know about Kia for so long.

[Kenan]

Oh, for decades. Yeah.

[Nick]

It seems like the opposite of a halo car where it anchors people to a. Oh, they make crappy cars. They make little.

[Doug]

Right. Like the soul. That's right. That's what you think of. For a long time you thought of Kia and honestly this is like one of the main things you thought of.

[Nick]

Hamsters in a hang people mover.

[Doug]

You don't like how it looks.

[Nick]

Funny enough when people come to me about my multiplier that I just got, I equate it to the Kia Soul because it came in that same green. It's ugly as heck, but it is super practical. The Kia Soul fits all of those criteria as like the modern Korean version of the multiplier. Yeah.

[Doug]

I mean it's not anywhere near as weird looking as the multipla and not good looking.

[Kenan]

But it, but it's. I, I don't think generally the public doesn't consider this to be one of the most ugly cars. You know, multiple gets mentioned twice in.

[Doug]

Part because the soul became so mainstream that like we just sort of, we just sort of, you know, accepted it. We, we got to know it.

[Nick]

Yeah. Well, they took inspiration from a hamster, not a platypus. Good design choice but I.

[Doug]

You don't like how the Kia Soul looks really?

[Nick]

I mean I wouldn't be caught dead driving it.

[Doug]

Yeah, but that's because you wouldn't be caught dead driving any compact car.

[Nick]

Like don't driving one right now.

[Doug]

If, if you were driving, if you were going into the dealership to buy a new compact car, you could do a lot worse than a Kia Soul.

[Nick]

The Cube was worse.

[Doug]

You could end up in a 2013 Ford Focus. Nick's got a Focus. Maybe that's why he anti soul. He's. There's like a he's pro competitiveness here.

[Nick]

I'm soulless you might say.

[Doug]

Give us the next new story. Kia Soul's gone. Hyundai. Other news story. We didn't cover this when it was announced which was three weeks ago but Hyundai kind of slipped into like a quarterly news update that they are developing a body on frame pickup truck.

[Nick]

Wow.

[Doug]

There's no pictures, there's no anything. All they have said is they are developing an in house. So this isn't going to be like a shared with Toyota, whatever in house body on frame pickup truck, midsize pickup truck in the US market and it will come by the end of the decade.

[Kenan]

Wow. Wow.

[Doug]

Yeah.

[Kenan]

Well that's a big deal. Maybe someone there is listening to your. As you've been standing on your soapbox for a while saying that more manufacturers need to be making that because that's what people want.

[Doug]

It's interesting because I have a suspicion an SUV will also accompany. Seems like that makes the most sense. Ford doesn't do that but Toyota does it to great success and of course Nissan did for years with the exterior and the frontier. And I wonder does Hyundai like Honda sitting here and going I'm not sure, I don't know, I'm not doing do we make one? I don't know. And Hyundai's like we're going to do it, we're just going to do it.

[Nick]

Do you think this, are they thinking of the US market in particular? Like there's a Toyota Hilux and a lot of like Asia Pacific body on frame.

[Doug]

Hyundai sells or Kia sells that Tasman thing overseas. But I think it's unibody. It sounds like they are developing this. All they said was it's going to be in the US market but they didn't say that it's not going to be global. For all we know like other vehicles it could be like the Ranger is global.

[Nick]

It would Seem silly not to come up with a global concept. It just will people in America that like love the F150 and Silverado and Ram do a Hyundai pickup.

[Doug]

Well, it's going to be a midsize, so it'll be a competitor for the Tacoma. And I think that in the midsize segment, people are a lot more willing to allow imports because, I mean, they already have the Tacoma but outsells all the other ones.

[Nick]

Do you ever see people in Toyota pickups and think, huh, why don't they like America?

[Kenan]

No, because that pickup made.

[Doug]

Well, actually that pickup is built in Mexico because that pickup is built in a North American country. No, I don't think that. I think that those people sell this.

[Kenan]

To a Toyota man.

[Doug]

My truck was built in the US I want to be clear about this.

[Nick]

My Toyota camouflage fenders give that away.

[Doug]

My Toyota truck was built. You know what? I had a buddy today, send me a picture, we'll get it posted here of a Sequoia TRD Pro where they had swapped out the fenders camo for white fenders from a regular Sequoia. And you know what? It looks worse. I prefer the camo fender.

[Kenan]

It just looks different.

[Nick]

And you're just.

[Doug]

That initial feeling is I'm going to show you and you tell me what you think. But this does not look like an off road, like a meaty off road vehicle.

[Nick]

He doesn't like paint match fenders. Remember the cayenne? He thinks it looks like a diaper.

[Kenan]

Oh, and he likes.

[Nick]

He can't handle gloss on fender flares.

[Doug]

Well, I think an off road vehicle should have plastic flared fenders.

[Nick]

Yes.

[Doug]

Like my E450 all terrain.

[Kenan]

You want the XRT look, you're still on that platypus thing like you want.

[Doug]

I do, I do. I want to show off. Listen, I pulled off all my TRD Pro badges, but I want to, I want to show off a little. And I think that this looks like a Lexus Nexus tx. It looks like it looks like a Sequoia TRD Pro that's asking for permission. Oh, could I be a Sequoia TRD Pro, please?

[Nick]

It does neuter it a little bit, but I, I think the, the hierarchy goes. Carbon fiber fender flares like the 4x4 squared, then paint matched and then camo and then plastic. Actually.

[Doug]

Carbon fiber is number one you didn't ask for.

[Nick]

That's a serious operation.

[Doug]

Hopefully Hyundai will offer carbon fiber fender flares on their midsize truck, on their body frame.

[Kenan]

At the very least, camo it's interesting.

[Doug]

Also to develop a body on frame truck in this day and age. Like we're moving to electric vehicles, we're moving to these kind of pod cars that, that sort of all look the same. And you know, the, the designs are getting, the interiors are getting pulled out. There's like oval shapes. They're developing what's probably going to be a muscular body on frame like go do it pickup truck. And that's pretty cool.

[Kenan]

That is pretty.

[Doug]

They believe that this, that market will be around long enough to justify the development of such a vehicle.

[Nick]

I mean, hope it doesn't look like the Santa Fe Santa Cruz is what.

[Doug]

You'Re thinking of the pickup truck. I, I, it'll be curious. It'll be interesting to see what they do. Like will they keep the Santa Cruz a car based truck in addition to a body on frame? I imagine not. I imagine Santa Cruz is a one and done generation.

[Kenan]

Why didn't they name that the Baja? I guess they couldn't. I guess the Subaru would get upset.

[Doug]

About, I think, I imagine if Hyundai's doing this, I imagine there will also be a Kia version and perhaps it will have hamsters. Perhaps it will have hamsters also. One other interesting thing about the thing, the body on frame truck thing is that there's no real powertrain that seems like it would work. I'm very curious. It'd be very interesting to see what happens in the next few years. A body on frame Hyundai truck. Take that Honda. We're not really sure. I don't know. Do we do it? Okay, move on to the next.

[Kenan]

Ah, Tesla, which Filippo's not here so it must be your story.

[Nick]

It is my story. Shockingly.

[Kenan]

Wow, I'm surprised at that.

[Nick]

Two things interesting with Tesla going on. One, they had a record profit in Q3, so the sky was falling. They had a rough first half the year because the subsidies were ending. I think they were able to pump a lot of sales. But still, for someone that was in the news for so long for not doing Well, a record Q3 is great if you own a stock.

[Doug]

Really important to highlight.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Doug]

The subsidies ended the day that Q4 started. So a ton of people pulled forward their vehicle purchases or leases into Q3. And EVs had declining sales in Q1 and Q2 and actually a significant increase in Q3. And due to the subsidies, I bet you Q4 rain is good.

[Nick]

But that being said, all right, so we lose that price discount basically. However, they're rolling out new base models that will be cheaper. They're removing some features, et cetera, et cetera. But those cheap Teslas that have been promised for so long are finally going to become a thing. Likewise they, you know, they're continuing to refresh these models. Like it does feel like, like it just felt so dark for Tesla for so long. Like I think they could get a good Q4 out of having a maybe.

[Doug]

Especially if they really do have these entry level cars. I think what a lot of people are looking for in this car is an affordable thing, like an affordable commuter. Like almost everyone I know with a Tesla has a fun car but wanted something they could commute in and just not care about. And so coming out with a base model now one of the things I read is that the base model, some of the things will actually like they won't include some of the self driving type stuff which will be interesting. I think that's a big component of why people are interested in these cars. But it sounds like it hasn't been perfectly explained yet. I'm curious to see where it actually all ends up.

[Nick]

I mean if you could add it later like as a software update then it's people like me that like only pay attention on the purchase price will be like okay, I got it cheap. But then my next bonus or commission check, I'll upgrade it.

[Doug]

His next commission check.

[Nick]

This is how market thinks.

[Doug]

Like a Tesla owner.

[Nick]

Yep. When he gets such a deep sales.

[Kenan]

Guy it really fits.

[Doug]

But good Q3 forum and obviously that was due to the subscription. I am incredibly curious and I think it will be incredibly interesting to see what happens to the electric car market this quarter. I have a suspicion the bottom is going to absolutely fall out. Except for the really high end stuff where people probably weren't relying that much on the tax credit anyway. For instance, I bet Pininfarina Batista sales will be Fairly similar in Q4.

[Kenan]

They'll go from 0 to 0.

[Doug]

That's correct.

[Nick]

Mirror the Aspark Owl sales numbers.

[Doug]

All right, give us what's next.

[Kenan]

Oh yes, sticking with factory. So we've talked about Jaguar Land Rover for a while. Their factory was shut down due to a cyber attack. Well, they've opened back up again. We're filming this on Wednesday. They're starting production again today. It's starting a little bit smaller. They're beginning with just like the engine assembly plant and the battery assembly plants. But it said by the. But it was announced by Jaguar that by the end of the week or end of next week they will be back to operation.

[Doug]

Did they pay a ransom?

[Kenan]

I didn't say if they paid a ransom or not.

[Doug]

Probably wouldn't want to announce.

[Kenan]

Problem was dissolved. It went away as things go away.

[Doug]

And so they gave the hackers a couple of new full sizes. And in Russia, that's like giving them a million bucks.

[Kenan]

Yeah, it all worked. And they got to mark off two as sold. So in the end it actually worked out everybody, but yes.

[Doug]

Well, this makes you really think that your car isn't all that special, huh? Sitting on the frame rails, wheels not on it. Like they're just building. Like this isn't what. What do you got? It's all about. Then they put on the style to make you think it's cool.

[Kenan]

Yeah, I think Porsche people in particular should go to the factory and see how the cars are assembled and are moved around. I watched when I was there, I watched like just a new GT2RS or a new GT3RS rather, just on a trailer, just in the rain, just being pulled around. That car will never see rain again.

[Nick]

I remember.

[Doug]

I'll never forget this one time we. There was a significant snowstorm in the north of Germany, which is where the cars leave from. They leave from the port of Emden and there's a significant snowstorm and someone at the port. I was. I worked with someone who was at the port there, and they sent me a picture of all these Porsches completely covered in snow and just cover. I mean, it was like bad. Like the trains were covered in snow. That brought the cars from the factory to the port. And I was thinking to myself, someone on Renlist is going to advertise one of these cars in 20 years. Never been wet, only ever used waterless, you know, Never ever been wet.

[Nick]

Meanwhile, it's like.

[Doug]

Meanwhile, yeah, it actually sat under a foot and a half of snow when it was just a unit at the port. Nobody cared.

[Nick]

Right?

[Kenan]

That's. That's exactly right. It kind of takes the, the romance off.

[Doug]

Glad that Jaguar Land Rover is getting back into production. What could we have possibly done without new discoveries?

[Kenan]

Right? That's sure. They did also announce, though, that in the, in this sales up until that point until September 30, they noted from last year were down 24.2% compared to the year prior. They're trying to blame some of this on the shutdown, but I don't think that was necessarily what caused it. Although it was certainly hard to know.

[Doug]

Because Jaguar Land Rover is in this weird situation where their production constraint. I mean, to be clear, Jaguar is not producing any cars that probably has some component of the sales decline. But Land Rover is also like a little weirdly production constrained. Like Range Rovers are still on waiting lists. Maybe new Defenders are to an extent.

[Nick]

I don't know.

[Kenan]

I wonder. Drift Defender still is probably not, but.

[Doug]

It'S still a hot car even at five years later.

[Nick]

I think they have a nice lineup right now, or at least they. You want to get somebody good. You want a Discovery Sport, I want a Defender.

[Doug]

You want to. Do you?

[Nick]

Yeah. Really?

[Doug]

Really.

[Kenan]

Why?

[Nick]

In terms of like cool 3 row SUV's, it's still. Even with the diaper on the back, that makes it a little ungodly.

[Doug]

The regular 110 offers a third row. It's just.

[Nick]

Which would probably be fine.

[Doug]

You drove mine, didn't you?

[Kenan]

No, I drove that. It was.

[Doug]

It was fine. You know what it was really good at was being off road. Like looking back on it, it was a beast. Off road on the. Both on the sand. And we took it to the desert here a couple times, like rock crawling. It was like quite impressive.

[Nick]

And I truly think it still looks nice. It's aged well. Like it. It doesn't look like a five year old vehicle.

[Doug]

Yeah, it's pretty impressive. That came out five and a half years ago. In fact, I bought mine almost five years ago when the week when this podcast airs.

[Nick]

I have the giant LEGO set in my office. I look at it every day.

[Doug]

I bought mine the day that Joe Biden was elected the US President.

[Nick]

Wow.

[Kenan]

Wow.

[Nick]

Because of that, I was like, Biden's.

[Doug]

Here, time for it. No, I ordered it months before. It just happened.

[Nick]

I remember you texting the group thread and specking it out and being like, oh, I can't get the. The steelies unless I get the different engine and which one do I pick? And we all weighed in.

[Doug]

I came the same week as the RS2 and they left like, like.

[Nick]

Yeah, you lost interest in both of them pretty. Pretty much at the same time.

[Kenan]

Looks really cool. And we're disappointing what you expect.

[Doug]

Yeah. I did drive the Defender across country like three times. I mean I sold mine with like 50 some thousand miles. I really used it.

[Kenan]

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[Doug]

Okay, next situation.

[Kenan]

Lamborghini.

[Nick]

This is new Lambo concept. Lambo always has the the coolest concepts, often which like the Sesto Elemento and all those cars come new production in some shape or format. So I think this is a tease at a limited production revuelto in the future or something is this. Is this concept car. It's a render right now called the Manifesto. But how freaking cool if they build anything even remotely resembling this in real life.

[Kenan]

I mean, to me it just looks like.

[Doug]

Is it a shape? It looks like a shape, but that's what's cool about it.

[Kenan]

Does it really have. I mean, it has no doors.

[Doug]

I think it looks cool.

[Nick]

The Gallardo concept s there was an Aventador that had no windshield and the split down the middle, like this is something they absolutely could and should build. Totally.

[Doug]

I think it looks cool.

[Kenan]

It's really cool.

[Doug]

I mean, I don't know if they really could build it.

[Nick]

Yeah, it'll be tweaked a little bit.

[Doug]

But I think it doesn't have doors. I think that one of the tweaks they'll have to make is they will probably have to add doors.

[Kenan]

Perhaps the glass just opens up and then you get it.

[Doug]

And that famously is a very good production car. Entry and exit. Exit component. A can, a liftoff canopy. You get a rock chip in the windshield. Oh, I'm sorry. That'll be $69,000 for a new liftoff canopy.

[Kenan]

Well, I mean, yeah, but the Lucids have the one piece of glass that I'm sure is also about.

[Doug]

But you don't Enter through it.

[Kenan]

That's true.

[Nick]

The impracticality though is part of the point. The Valkyrie, all of these insane hypercars coming out now them being difficult and like quirky to your catchphrase. There is now one of the main.

[Doug]

Selling points that is cool as hell. I can't imagine it will actually be built. Maybe it teases a small volume model.

[Nick]

I think Stradman already has his allocation in that color too.

[Kenan]

Probably. But along the topic of crazy Lamborghinis. So their Lamborghini's head of sales and marketing said they plan to build more crazy models kind of in the vein of the Sterrato. So lifted off road, just insane stuff.

[Doug]

Specifically they said they plan to build more off road. Super.

[Kenan]

Yes, exactly. Which I think is fascinating and I hope that they do. Because if any company can get away with it, it's kind of Lamborghini. They should be building the craziest, wackiest.

[Nick]

Yeah, most insane funny is the news article I saw said like the Revuelto and not the Urus.

[Doug]

I was just going to say that first off, Revolt. It was too big and ungainly and expensive to do an off road version.

[Nick]

Agree.

[Doug]

The Urus.

[Kenan]

Well they did that. So they did that.

[Doug]

It's an suv.

[Kenan]

They did that STX thing that was going to become something and then never did. But it doesn't make sense.

[Doug]

Why do they not do an Urus 4 by 4 square like with like chunky tires, big fender carbon fender flares. The hierarchy. Seriously. And call it the Lamu LMO3, baby.

[Kenan]

Exactly. It could be a trim package but like still I think that would be cool.

[Nick]

Let me ask you.

[Doug]

This is LM002, the worst named car ever. Like the Zero. The leading Zeros are what's really offensive. As if there were going to be hundreds of lms.

[Kenan]

Maybe they were supposed to be, but.

[Doug]

In the end they only needed 2 to really refine the formula.

[Kenan]

So MP4 12 seems pretty poor.

[Nick]

That is bad.

[Kenan]

That's pretty bad.

[Doug]

But leading Zeros is wild. Couldn't it have been LM2?

[Nick]

Well, it was supposed to be like a military vehicle. Maybe that was just what they used in like the RFP for the government.

[Doug]

Well, that was the Cheetah.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Doug]

You ever see the Cheater?

[Nick]

And that was effectively the LMO one.

[Doug]

I assume the Cheetah though was like open. It was like a Baja dune buggy. And then there. Maybe that was the LMO one. Or there then was an LMO one. But then there's an Elmo two and that Was it. They were like, all right. No, no. LM277 needed. Damn, what a stupid thing. You know what would have been cool? If each one had been individually numbered and that was the number.

[Kenan]

Oh, that would have been cool. That would have been cool. That was before the era where like they could cheat and lie, I guess about the one of whatever.

[Nick]

Lamborghini will do that on the blockchain.

[Kenan]

Lambo doesn't cheat.

[Doug]

I think that it's. I think it's incredibly cool. I am surprised to hear that them saying that they're thinking about continuing this. The sterrato was not a success. They had. They had a hard time selling them out. And then the used market values have not been strong. I think it will be a success long term. I still firmly believe that in 20 years people are going to look back at this as the pinnacle hurricane.

[Kenan]

I think it's kind of emblematic of the times too. It just is.

[Doug]

Yeah. Like this was when off roading took off the G Wagon and the Raptor and all these cars and There was a V10 and it was like still kind of the last crazy bastion of this.

[Nick]

I agree that to Mario is probably the better point than a revolto. I really hope they do a shooting brake version of one of these two. And off road shooting brake would be cool.

[Doug]

Off road shooting brake would be super cool.

[Nick]

I guess with the engine back there, it's going to be a little tricky, but do it anyways.

[Doug]

Yeah, but there are. There are mid engine shooting brakes, by the way. On. That's right. Not a shooting break, but it is a hashbag. Yeah, it's at that point it's just body work. By the way, on this podcast we only refer to it as the Lamborghini John Tamarion.

[Kenan]

That's right.

[Nick]

There is no.

[Kenan]

There's no in. In our hearts and in our minds there is only one.

[Doug]

There is no Temerario is simply too hard to say.

[Kenan]

Right. And Tamarindo is another one. We.

[Doug]

We've already gotten accustomed to John Tamarion and he is in the Lamborghini. It just all comes together as far as I'm concerned. It's the Lamborghini John Tamarion.

[Nick]

Right. St LM003 I like including the John too. In case there's other Tamarians we're referring to.

[Doug]

Well, I don't want other Temerians to think that it was named for them.

[Nick]

I mean he's got kids.

[Kenan]

Well, his dad was involved with Lamborghini too.

[Doug]

No, were not. They didn't factor into Lamborghini's decision to name the car after him. They would have named it after him even if he was a single man. Anyway, the upshot here is I do think it's crazy they didn't off road.

[Nick]

Yes.

[Doug]

I think it is truly insane.

[Nick]

Especially they usually do it at the end of the run to try to push unsold inventory. I guess the Urus has just done so well. They don't really need that.

[Doug]

It's done well and it continues to do well. But still give us like the G wagon's doing well and they're doing a convertible and they still do an off road of that.

[Nick]

Right, right.

[Kenan]

It doesn't really hamper anything.

[Doug]

Give us an off road Urus. That's what you do. You make an SUV and it's like, oh, we're going to do off road version of sports cars. Did you consider.

[Kenan]

Yeah, I might. I'd like to pause.

[Doug]

I mean we want an Alamoo, we want like a real like purpose built Lamu. But given that they're almost surely not going to do that, the next best.

[Nick]

Thing would be, gosh, I want a Lamu so bad.

[Kenan]

It is one of the coolest. Look, I mean look, click on that one.

[Doug]

Click on that one. I've never met a car that's more.

[Nick]

I know what I got in terms of people selling them.

[Doug]

Yeah.

[Nick]

Like the asking price is doing double what it really is worth and.

[Doug]

And actual sales are way lower. Yeah. There is a wide disparity between.

[Nick]

Point to the results at car week last year and say all are worth 800 and it's like you're lucky to get 400.

[Doug]

One sells for 300 to 400. Yep. It is also one of the worst cars. I've driven them and it's really bad. But that wouldn't stop me under any circumstances from buying it.

[Kenan]

Of course not.

[Doug]

Yeah. It is ponderous though. Like it is a such a large vehicle that it is a ponderous driving.

[Nick]

And those weird one off tires. It can't, it can't drive well.

[Doug]

Yeah. Although you can put, you don't need to buy those tires. You could put super swappers on it.

[Kenan]

Hell yeah.

[Doug]

Okay, give us our next news story please.

[Kenan]

Ah yes. So sticking with exotic cars, Ferrari has announced that they have added to the Fiorano test track. So here's Fiorano, very famous corner. They've added something that they're calling the Evortex track. And the idea with this is they took corners and more stuff that you find around on normal roads and added it to this. So they can test their concept cars and not have to go out and do testing on the streets. Famously, you'd see a lot of very cool concept Ferraris leaving the factory gates. A lot of car spotters, like, position themselves around those gates to see Ferrari testing.

[Doug]

Now you'll need a drone.

[Kenan]

Now you'll need a drone or delivery. Live in one of those houses over here where people complain about the noise, which is unbelievable to me.

[Doug]

It's pretty crazy. If you ever go on Google satellite and look at where Fiorano is, it's just in a neighborhood, right?

[Kenan]

Yeah, exactly.

[Doug]

Like the factory was here. And then it sort of has expanded over time to the point where now there are abutters, right? Yeah, it's just sort of what they're doing, I guess.

[Kenan]

Exactly. But they acquired 37,000 square meters, which is 9.14 acres to build this. And it's 2 kilometers long, 370,000 square feet.

[Doug]

You know, that's what I learned. Square meters of square feet just multiplied 10.

[Nick]

Good to know. That'll come in handy a lot.

[Doug]

Well, if you're ever trying to buy property in Europe.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Doug]

So they only list it in square meters.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Doug]

So there you go.

[Nick]

Good. Noted.

[Kenan]

But there it is.

[Doug]

Why does it have a sand trap?

[Kenan]

You know, I've been trying to figure that out. Maybe, maybe it's for the purosan way to test the four wheel drive system. I have no idea. But yeah, it does have a sand trap. There's no water, but they're much. They're like these circular.

[Doug]

Like there's like lanes up there and there's like lanes here.

[Nick]

It kind of reminds you of like Pekla or like one of the Porsche experience centers. Like, like skid pad. Yeah.

[Kenan]

I wonder if this is for. If they're going to test like autonomous driving stuff with that. I, I don't know what they're going to do with it exactly, but there it is. So in addition to now, of course, EV Vortex also doesn't roll off is a great name.

[Doug]

You remember the 599 GTB Fiorano? The next one will be the 784 GTB Evortex.

[Kenan]

That's so Italian. Philippe would say. No, it's Evortex.

[Nick]

Right?

[Doug]

He would, he, he wouldn't probably roll his eyes and. Yeah, now he doesn't watch the pod when he's not on it because he's not into cars.

[Kenan]

That's right. He doesn't like, he doesn't like cars.

[Doug]

He's like, what? I got to watch this pod. I Could be watching a pod about cooking.

[Kenan]

Maybe if I send it to him over slack, I'll watch it.

[Nick]

That's possibly true. But he did leave notes in the pod. Doc, did you see as like additional comment?

[Doug]

Because he doesn't, he's not gonna, like, he's not gonna follow up. You know what I mean? Like, we don't have to worry about that. Right? We don't have to do what he says. True.

[Nick]

Right.

[Doug]

Okay, give us our next news story.

[Kenan]

Yeah. So one last motorsport related thing. So Porsche has announced that they are pulling out of World Endurance Championship, which is kind of sad. They said they are going to continue to focus on imsa, which is great, which I'll talk about more because I'm going to an IMSA race very shortly. But they are going to focus instead on Formula E and imsa. But no more competition in wec, which I think is sad. And I think that also kind of. I wonder if that's a little bit related to their difficult financial times recently, that they're kind of scaling back some of their efforts to save a little bit more.

[Doug]

Maybe they'll go back to Formula 1 like they did Microerg 2.

[Kenan]

They've said that, right? Exactly. As a manufacturer for engines that they were so bad at that that engine never went in a Formula one car.

[Doug]

The Carrera GT is basically a Formula one car for the road.

[Nick]

Right.

[Kenan]

Said every automotive journalist ever.

[Doug]

The Carrera GT is essentially a Formula one engine and strapped to a Formula one superstructure with some bodywork to please people.

[Kenan]

I don't have the energy for this. Yeah, but it makes me sad. I want to see Porsche competing at the pinnacle, in the pinnacle of motorsport. But it's not a surprise necessarily.

[Doug]

We don't think Formula one is the pinnacle of motorsport.

[Kenan]

Well, it's Formula E. Not exactly a pinnacle of anything.

[Doug]

Well, no, I know, but Formula. You're saying you want to see Porsche compete.

[Kenan]

I want to see Formula one, yes.

[Nick]

Right.

[Doug]

Isn't that where you want to see him compete?

[Kenan]

Yes and no. I mean, because I like seeing them at Le Mans racing against Ferrari. It's like the old days. It's like, it's nice to see them there.

[Doug]

But yeah, we're not in the old days. The new days are Formula one. Dude. Dude with a halo. That's what we watch.

[Nick]

It's a marketing exercise. The, the WEC audience has to be super niche. They clearly know about.

[Doug]

But other than that.

[Kenan]

Yeah, but it, but it's. I guess it's not a surprise because both Audi and Lamborghini also on the same umbrella, also had pulled out.

[Doug]

Didn't Ferrari beat him last year?

[Kenan]

Yeah, and the year before.

[Doug]

Two years in a row for I beat him so bad. They quit.

[Nick]

Yeah, that's everyone's dream. I don't want to just win. I want to win so bad. You quit and change.

[Kenan]

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[Doug]

All right, next news story. Do we have any more?

[Kenan]

No, that's the end of the news.

[Doug]

God, we have so much to cover this week. For example, I still want an arena red993 twin turbo.

[Kenan]

Look at that.

[Doug]

Do you have any thoughts on this? You haven't been on the pod since we've been talking about this.

[Nick]

I think this is the most bizarre way to do a wanted to buy ad. We need to. You need to go on red list.

[Doug]

Using a boxed car model on a pot on a video podcast.

[Nick]

Yes. Not a very scalable tactic anyways.

[Doug]

No, no. Someone sent us this and it got my wheels a turning and then I did this video, Adam. Maybe it's already posted. Maybe it has. I don't know. If not, it's your little preview. I did this video on cars I should have bought. And I remember the time I should have bought Morgan Freeman's 993 Turbo, which turned out to not be Morgan Freeman the actor, but a different fellow. And I passed on it for that reason. But in retrospect, who cares?

[Nick]

Yeah, right.

[Doug]

I can't. Bought the damn car.

[Kenan]

I can't. You had a Jon Voirean experience in your actual life. It's pretty incredible. For those who are Seinfeld fans out.

[Doug]

There, that's exactly what it was. The difference is I didn't buy the car and I should have. And George shouldn't have bought the car, and he did.

[Nick]

I am happy you're back on cars. You're back on buying cars, ready to.

[Doug]

Buy a twin turbo.

[Nick]

You're admitting to being a Porsche guy.

[Doug]

I haven't heard from the fellow who rolled back the odometer. He said he'd check and call me right back. And that was two weeks ago. We're still waiting on that call.

[Kenan]

Still waiting. He must be, you know.

[Doug]

Sir, Sir, Are you too busy rolling back odometers to call me?

[Kenan]

Maybe he's busy rolling it forward now.

[Doug]

Well, that's what he should be doing.

[Kenan]

What he should be doing.

[Doug]

But he's not to match his service records that in his ad, they said they went back to new and there were six total service records, including none between, like, 2000 and 2000.

[Kenan]

Got some dealers.

[Doug]

Yeah, some dealers, but not the brilliant ones on cars and bids.

[Kenan]

Of course not.

[Doug]

Kind of really mean that, though. I've been thinking about it more and.

[Kenan]

Like, the dealers who sell on the auction sites understand that, like, there's a brand trust that's looking and you have to. It only benefits you to be transparent. And so. And a lot of them are and are very engaged in the comments and.

[Doug]

Like, are saying they buy the cars with that in mind. Like, when they go out and get the cars, they're not trying to ham it up. If a car doesn't have those service records, they negotiate that into the deal and then that's something they disclose on the site and it makes them seem more transparent, which they are. Whereas, like, buy the car and just lie. Oh, it has service records to new and just try to convince. Like a. Try to sell your cars at top dollar to unsophisticated buyers is a strategy, but, like, probably kind of a sucky one.

[Nick]

Yeah, I was Trying to buy or have been chatting with a dealer that is an slr. They have no service record. So I'm like, can you hunt them down for me? Can you do this that they won't do anything? And then they automated text me. Would you like a virtual test drive? It's like, gosh, you have zero idea how to sell this car.

[Doug]

You would love a virtual test drive.

[Nick]

But what is that?

[Doug]

That makes no sense. Speaking of that, Nick, let's talk about SLRs for a minute. What's the situation there?

[Nick]

Well, we'll have to wait and see for sure. But I was on the pod, what, two weeks ago?

[Doug]

Yeah.

[Nick]

And like you, I did a wanted to buy ad during the talk car segment.

[Doug]

This is what we're going to use the pod for now for.

[Nick]

A way of sourcing vehicles to a certain Tyler Hoover in Kansas. Let's just say we've been Texas time.

[Doug]

Wow. Are we going to break any ground here on the pod? Wait, wait, wait. Let me, let me ask it, Let me ask the question a slightly different way. Are we selling the Merciel Lago?

[Nick]

We are selling the Mercy.

[Doug]

Okay, so, so if we were to make some conclusions here, if you, you could probably say watch on Nick's YouTube channel for a, for a full conclusion.

[Nick]

I'm going to gatekeep this, but there's a decent chance that I'm getting a fire damage SLR in the near in the next week or so, depending on.

[Doug]

When Nick, way to keep that. Go to Nick's YouTube channel and maybe he will have some sort of explanation of what's happening on the YouTube channel.

[Nick]

You know, it's funny, the, the commenters so far are all saying selling the Mercy for an SLR is a terrible idea. Yeah, the Mercy is way cooler. Yeah, I, I actually kind of agree with them. But once you've had a car for three years, you check the boxes.

[Doug]

The thing that the commenters don't understand when they say that is like, ultimately at some point you're just ready for a new experience.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Doug]

And yeah, I think the Mercy is cooler than the sl. I agree. But like you. How many miles you put on the Mercy?

[Kenan]

Yeah.

[Nick]

Six thousand something over three years.

[Doug]

Six thousand miles. Did car week, did a manual swap.

[Nick]

Like, done everything.

[Doug]

We did the racetrack with it. We've done a million mountain drives. Like at some point it's like, well, I kind of did the stuff and I'm not looking to like be a collector and just add.

[Kenan]

Right.

[Nick]

I wish I could. But yeah. Well, honestly, what happened was a few People got into my head and started, started, made private offers off market for it and they were good enough that I was like, wow, this could unlock some funds and make it so that I could go to the next vehicle. And then we were at car week and talking about SLRs and I realized basically the offers I was getting and the amount I would have to pay for an SLR are simpatico so that I wouldn't have to spend any money out of pocket.

[Kenan]

I just. Yeah, I'm excited for you to eventually get an slr. Whatever SLR it may be, whatever one you don't know. Go. I just, I. I'm curious how long that sticks around, to be honest.

[Nick]

Might not be that long.

[Doug]

I totally. Everybody is so negative about this. I think it's going to be cool. I think you are going to really enjoy it. It does not drive as well as a mid engine supercar, but it has some really cool benefits including high speed and it looks crazy.

[Kenan]

That's my biggest fear with him, is that this is a very, very fast car. I am so worried I'm going to jail. Yeah, that's honestly not.

[Doug]

I just learned from my own Countach experience that when people online say stuff, their experience is usually either zero or basically zero.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Doug]

And owning a vehicle like I own the Countach, did 2500 miles have the spent the time you really start to develop a different relationship with the car than if you like took it on a test drive or in the case of all the YouTube commenters, simply parroted what they've heard in other people's content.

[Kenan]

I've driven one and it is very cool and enormously powerful. Yeah, it's very impressive.

[Doug]

Impressive.

[Nick]

I do like sledgehammers as a vehicle genre. You know.

[Kenan]

Do I.

[Nick]

Ton of power, kind of big in your face design.

[Doug]

Like crazy looking. Like if I saw an sl, I mean if I see a mercy on the road, it's a big deal. And I take a picture and I look. If I see an SLR on the road, I lose it. Like, I absolutely would lose it. I haven't seen one on the road randomly and I don't know how long. There were a few when I lived in Atlanta, there were a few.

[Nick]

It is wild. Look shopping at these. And I've literally contacted every single one for sale, many of which have sold months ago and the dealer just keeps them up. But most of them have under 10 miles and I would say more than half of them have under like 3,000 miles. Like they do not get driven.

[Kenan]

Maybe it's because they're not that great to drive.

[Doug]

Maybe. Again, again, people parrot people have not spent time. I've driven the car, but like I said, there's a different experience.

[Kenan]

I know I haven't owned it, but.

[Doug]

There'S a different experience that happens when you've. When you've spent two seconds in a car versus when you've actually had the ability to, hey, I own this. I have plates on this. I can, I can go hard into this corner. I can, I can, I can do little traffic. But if I can go on a mountain drive and not feel worried because it's my car, if it were true.

[Kenan]

That it were so great drive, sure there'd be more with, I don't know, more than 5,000 miles.

[Doug]

I'll tell you something. The greatest driving car in history, the Courier gt. And by the way, verified that this morning. Good luck finding one of those with over 5,000 miles. You know, I searched far and wide when I got the money. I had a pretty significant time window after we took the investment. I was willing to wait up to six days in order to spend all of the money on a car. And we looked and it ain't easy to find a courage with over 10,000 miles.

[Kenan]

How many SLRs do they build? Do you know? Not counting like 3,000, right?

[Nick]

I guess some. I looked it up. I know the roadsters are about. I want to say it was like.

[Doug]

1300 coupes and about 2157 total.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Kenan]

Total. Is that counting 722, counting all of.

[Doug]

Them, including the European Sterling Moss. 2157 total.

[Kenan]

Well, nonetheless, I think it is I 1262 coupes. We'll have to watch it all again together. But I did go back and watch the Top Gear episode when they raced it from London to Os low, which is nuts, from Heathrow to offload.

[Nick]

And when they did the first thing around the Top Gear track, it overtook the Murcia Lago as the fastest lap time around the Top. Right, yeah. So feels very fitting that that what.

[Doug]

OOVERTOOK THE SLUR CR I. I didn't you get one?

[Kenan]

I think was tested before the SLR.

[Doug]

Was, but I think was faster than the slur.

[Kenan]

I think they complained about the traction control system a lot on this.

[Nick]

They complain. That's. That's what they do.

[Kenan]

And that might be the SL65.

[Doug]

You're gonna have a great time with it. I totally disagree.

[Kenan]

I think I can't wait to see it.

[Nick]

I can't wait either. I have not driven one and I haven't seen one in a Little while, so.

[Kenan]

Well, I'm excited. I'll follow. I know you. So I'll follow your experience in person, but also follow it on your YouTube channel.

[Nick]

Thank you. All right.

[Doug]

This is exciting. I'm excited for you. I want to talk multiply. Tell me the situation with the multiply. It's legal.

[Nick]

It's legal. We got license plates in the mail, including one for the A2, so that is a positive thing. But the paperwork really wasn't too terrible. But. But it's about a month, I would say, since you and I picked it up at the port. Does that sound right?

[Doug]

How many miles have you driven it illegally?

[Nick]

I've driven it all of them. Almost every day.

[Doug]

With a zip tied Montana plate from a long ago vehicle from the Arnage.

[Nick]

But yes, it's.

[Doug]

It's.

[Nick]

Well, now it's. Now it's a paper plate, which I think is even sketchier somehow.

[Doug]

But a legal one.

[Nick]

Yeah. At least have registration if I get pulled over. But yeah, no, they. They processed it pretty quick. Like the. The checklist was true to form. It wasn't too terrible. It just took a while to get the customs forms from the actual customs people.

[Doug]

So the multiple is registered. Did you end up having to pay tariffs?

[Nick]

So far, no. I have heard of people that like two months later they get hit with something, but Rami, who helped us import it, is confident, based on all the ones he's done that we shouldn't and his interpretation of it. And so far we paid 3% duty, but that's it.

[Doug]

Which is normal.

[Nick]

Knock on wood.

[Doug]

Interesting. So the multiple is registered. We can drive it around. You drove it here today? I noticed it's parked outside.

[Nick]

Yeah. Did you see the zip tie door handle too?

[Doug]

What did you do?

[Nick]

I broke the door handle. With Kenan? Yep.

[Doug]

And Long Beach.

[Nick]

I tried plastic welding and JB welding and I can't get it back together. So I just have the little. The metal pole up there. I put a zip tie so that I can kind of yank on it and use it as a door handle.

[Kenan]

I have one.

[Nick]

I have one coming from Europe, but we'll see how long it takes.

[Kenan]

It's a very lightweight solution. In the meantime, it's like a boxer.

[Nick]

Spider, you know, I mean, no one's stealing that thing. It's got a manual it could lock.

[Doug]

Can we talk about the mercy? So the multipla is here, the neck. The next generation of cars is starting to arrive. The multipla may be an slr. We don't know. We don't know. For God's sake. It could be anything. But it might be an SLR.

[Nick]

An SL65 which has more horsepower and torque.

[Doug]

He's like sad about this now.

[Nick]

I know I should have figured that out in advance. I could have saved.

[Kenan]

We'll talk about R230.

[Doug]

You could add an SL65 black.

[Nick]

You know what I'm actually in the market for? For third one to Dubai AD, a silver R63. I want to build the ultimate two car combo for silver Mercedes of 2008. If anyone has an unmodded ideal lead.

[Kenan]

They'Re going to do it.

[Doug]

Two questions for you. First off, 2008, I thought all the SLRs were 050607. Unless you're referring to a specific one.

[Nick]

Well, anything of that run is fine.

[Doug]

Yeah. R63 is not that great to drive.

[Nick]

Neither is a multiple.

[Kenan]

You haven't owned one, so maybe you don't know.

[Doug]

No, no. I drove one once seven years ago and that makes me an expert. I'm going to go into every YouTube comment section and talk about it now.

[Nick]

You guys had a nice one that had a wise tech supercharger. That's what I should have gotten.

[Doug]

But yeah, nothing like supercharging the head bolt motor. I want to talk though about the Mercy. So you're going to. You're going to sell the Mercy on cars?

[Nick]

It should be live Thursday, right?

[Doug]

Yeah, yeah, Thursday. If this pod goes up on Friday.

[Nick]

Yes.

[Doug]

The following Thursday.

[Nick]

Yes, yes. And you are reviewing it? I'm told cold.

[Doug]

I'm going to drive it to film it tomorrow.

[Nick]

I can't wait.

[Doug]

Very excited.

[Nick]

I'm excited to get your feedback on this, the converted Mercy. Since you've driven both stick and E gear. I obviously am thrilled with it, but I'm super biased. It's my car.

[Doug]

I've driven a stick 03, I've driven a roadster tip and I've driven a LP640 coupe tip. So I am curious also.

[Nick]

But the most thing I'm curious about is it'll be the first converted Mercy to sell publicly. At least that I'm aware of. Yep.

[Doug]

No, I mean the first public sale there may have been private sales but period. Not the.

[Nick]

I can't find any. I'm not aware of any. If there are certainly comment. But the delta between an OE Mercy and an E gear Mercy has always been like 2 to 3x. So where does a converted car hit in that spectrum? Right. I will tell you I've gotten a few offers off market that were pretty strong and frankly, maybe I should have taken again, that's what kickstarted this all. But I do think, think it'll be fun to see how it does where it's a competitive environment and people will bid to what they're comfortable with.

[Doug]

Right, right. We'll find out.

[Kenan]

We'll find out. Will tell us.

[Nick]

Certainly no more well documented one in terms of like, all the YouTube content. Like, unlike some other cars, like, you know what you're getting. I did find one converted car for sale at a dealer. Oh, really? And. But they couldn't even tell you who did it. Like, they knew nothing. There was no receipts, no records. Like, I wouldn't touch that. Like, yeah, it could be some dude's cousin.

[Doug]

I would touch it at the right number. But yeah, totally.

[Nick]

It won't bring value if you can't.

[Doug]

Even if you can't document it all and you have the doc you did Machina did it a An esteemed conversion shop. Well, not that.

[Nick]

I mean, I have all my service records. I have service records from the previous owner. Like, again, a mercy. Part of what holds back the values is everyone's terrified of maintenance costs.

[Doug]

I am. So my assumption is because you've done probably 1100 miles in it too, since the conversion.

[Nick]

1600.

[Doug]

1600. That's also, in my opinion, a huge benefit like that. There's some proof of concept.

[Nick]

We've shook it out. If there was going to be an issue, it would present.

[Doug]

I didn't just convert this car to then flip it for sale. Like, I converted it, drove it. I mean, 600 miles is real.

[Kenan]

Did you have any issues with it in that? Did you have to do any.

[Nick]

I had the intake air temperature came off of its little plastic bushing and was resting on the engine and occasionally getting too hot. I don't think that was the conversion fault. I think like, either shipping it or just driving the crap out of it. Like, I. I literally just fastened it back in and cleared the code and it was fine. It was fine.

[Doug]

1600 miles since the conversion, you know, that's about as many miles as it would take to drive from Wichita to San Diego.

[Nick]

Yeah, I'm not. I'm not doing that drive.

[Doug]

Well, why would you have to do that drive?

[Nick]

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[Doug]

To say one thing I want to do in my talk car so that I want to say something about Lamborghinis. I am going to posit a theory. I've posited several theories on the pod before. The Cayman nucleus theory, the GT4 nucleus theory and various others. Here's a theory.

[Nick]

What was the one about market caps? That was a good one.

[Doug]

Market cap theory of supercars. Here's my theory. Theory. And we're gonna. I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna say it here and again when Johnny Lieberman tries to steal this theory. You heard it on this podcast first. On October, the something or other Lamborghini supercars will one day be valued and considered as the Ferrari supercars. The Lambo supercar collection will be the Miura, the Countach, the Diablo and the Mercy, all gated manual manuals. If you have those four, it will be someday akin to having the 288. Ferrari has now fractured it and it's too difficult to figure out what's what in the Ferrari supercar world. So as far as I'm concerned, collecting Ferrari supercars is over. It ended with the LaFerrari. Some are going to say, oh, the F80. But then do we count the SP3? And I guarantee you there's more money grabs coming, I promise you. Because like I think the SP3 is cooler than the F80 or the LaFerrari and it's just as expensive and it has the Same powertrain. So how does that not count? And then the supercar collection gets murky. Right. So as far as I'm concerned, Ferrari, it's over. It ended with the LaFerrari. There were five Lambo is. Is the big five, the big four Lambos all with the bits are in the engine and all gated. That's going to be the next big thing to collect the big four.

[Kenan]

So is it going to be the best versions of all this? Is it like.

[Doug]

We'll see how it's. We'll see how it's.

[Kenan]

Downdraft, Countach.

[Doug]

I don't know.

[Kenan]

Some version of Diablo.

[Doug]

My crystal ball is not quite as clear as you want it to be. It's a little bit cloudy in there. But this is the future of the. The collecting thing. And I. I will tell you also. I think that Porsche 959, Carrera GT and 918 is the beginning of a Porsche run of supercars. And someday very annoying rich people will have the Ferrari section of their garage with the big five, the Lamborghini section with the big four and the Porsche section with. Where now the big three. And presumably will be more.

[Nick]

You're missing the most important one one though.

[Doug]

NSXS. No.

[Nick]

The McLaren run. The F1, the SLR and the P1. All three made by McLaren in the McLaren factory at extremely limited numbers that are halo cars.

[Doug]

Thank you.

[Nick]

I would drop the mic but it's on a boom.

[Doug]

I'm going to tell you this. The SLR will never be in a garage with any of the collections I'm referring to. Anyway. That is my Lamborghini supercar Bitzzarrini engine.

[Nick]

I co sign. I. I think you're right. I think Lamborghinis.

[Doug]

I mean mirror are already there.

[Nick]

Younger gener.

[Kenan]

It really is only the Bitini cars. It's not. Yeah. Because. And man because they only came as manuals or you can get them all as a manual.

[Doug]

Is the Bitsini engine cars and only the gated ones like. I think that will be like the collection to have.

[Nick]

Yep.

[Doug]

Which obviously is all mirrors and countaches. But I think. I do think that it will be probably people wanting to do it best will want to pursue the best of the best. So yeah. Mirror SV Kuntach. Either a periscope or a downdraft Mercy. I don't know a G SV if you can find the three of them that exist. Or at least an LP640 and then Diablo SE30 probably.

[Kenan]

Or the LP650.

[Doug]

Is there a manual LP60.

[Kenan]

I don't know. I don't think they offer that with.

[Nick]

A manual Z. I can't believe you just 580shamed me though.

[Doug]

Well, I shame myself, yeah. Because I don't have a downdraft. Josecki told me that without a downdraft I am nothing. I am no one you won't impress any of your friends will not be impressed.

[Kenan]

Best. And he's right.

[Doug]

He's right. Oh, you know that you got a downdraft.

[Kenan]

Nonsense. Get out.

[Nick]

We do tune you out quite a bit.

[Doug]

What's that?

[Nick]

We do tune you out quite a bit.

[Doug]

You know it's interesting that Joe Psaki told me my friends wouldn't respect him but instead I think. I think that actually changed the way that we respect Joe Sacky. That comment, I think it had that effect. I do want a 993 Turbo. Can Joe or someone, someone help me out with that? How do I get into this? Can I open this next week? Ken and you got any cars?

[Kenan]

Yes. So as I mentioned, I'm going to Road America or Road Atlanta to take part in the Petite Le Mans. Filippo and I will both be there. We're going to be there for the cars and coffee event on the main event itself is on Saturday and that's when we will be there to hang out with people. We'll be all around the track. We have a schedule that's coming out so you can come up and say hello.

[Doug]

What kind of cars are going to be at the.

[Nick]

At this?

[Doug]

We.

[Kenan]

So we put a thing out on the community tab to like so people could submit their cars. We had a certain number of spots, I think 50 or so and it was incredible. The response. We got some wild cars.

[Doug]

You got an F50 GT?

[Kenan]

As a matter of fact, yes. No.

[Nick]

Of course.

[Kenan]

But no, we did get some.

[Doug]

What about a Blackwood? You got a Blackwood coming?

[Kenan]

No, I wish we had.

[Doug]

Can I ask you a question about this? It's going to be at Road Atlanta. You can go meet kids. Kenan says that what's going to be there is cars, coffee and race day energy.

[Kenan]

Yes.

[Doug]

Kenan, tell us what is your race day energy like?

[Kenan]

I'll tell you what, when the Valkyrie goes by and I hear that NA V12 screaming I am pumped. So I'm.

[Doug]

It's like a 12 hour, 15 hour, 18 hour race.

[Kenan]

It is 10 hours. Yes, it is from. It starts at 12:10 in the afternoon and goes until 10:10pm and we will be there for all of it.

[Doug]

You are going to be at this thing for the entire race and I.

[Kenan]

Have to help set up, so I'll be there at 7.

[Doug]

Surely Filippo won't be like. No, Filipo said that he would think about it.

[Kenan]

I mean, yeah, but he gets to take slack breaks. That's sleep.

[Doug]

He'll sleep. He'll go into the. Into one of the team's buses and sleep.

[Kenan]

Yep. He'll sleep on a jack stand somewhere. No, he's just like, yeah, he will be there. I will be.

[Doug]

What are you driving in Atlanta?

[Kenan]

I'm not driving anything Silverado around. Filippo, meanwhile, is driving an Aston Martin.

[Doug]

I know he is, but. But are you driving a Silverado or what?

[Kenan]

I wish I were driving a Silverado in Atlanta.

[Doug]

I rented a X7 on Turum.

[Kenan]

Wow.

[Nick]

I also rented a BMW last time I was in Atlanta.

[Doug]

Which one?

[Nick]

The. It was a fake Alpena 7 Series.

[Doug]

That's Atlanta. All right, Kenan, I want to talk about Harry and then you can do it or I can do it, but.

[Nick]

We can do it.

[Kenan]

I will halfway talk. So our collective hero, Harry Car.

[Doug]

YouTuber.

[Kenan]

Yep. With a I. Yeah, I would definitely say so. Recently drove a 250 GTO.

[Doug]

How does this only have 367,000 views?

[Kenan]

Because people are tasteless and need to wake up and pay attention to good content that's being produced.

[Doug]

You tasteless people. This is good content.

[Kenan]

No, not our viewers, of course, but like. No, no, but Harry. So Harry did a video Talking about the 250 GTO he got to drive. It's a Series 2 Drago body car and he got to drive around in this because he was helping move a series of cars to an event.

[Doug]

So.

[Kenan]

So it was this. A series one GTO, I think a D type and a 250. A 58 Pontin body testarossa.

[Doug]

Did you watch this video? You should watch it.

[Nick]

I can't. British people, I just. The sound of their voice. I can't pay attention.

[Doug]

Nick, who do you think made the SLR that you may or may not be buying?

[Nick]

He's like, soft spoken and I just. I can't.

[Doug]

I can't pay attention to British people.

[Nick]

I need jump cuts and like shouting.

[Doug]

And ideally, that's exactly why we love Harry.

[Kenan]

Ideally what? Next year.

[Nick]

I need like whistle and diesel level of.

[Doug]

That's why we love Harry. There's no jump cuts, there's no. No shouting. The production quality is laughable. It's just facts.

[Kenan]

It's just information.

[Doug]

It's just facts. Meanwhile, what Nick wants is no facts and Only entertainment. If you start throwing facts at Nick, it causes a problem.

[Kenan]

But so, but the most important part of this video to me is Harry drives the car and he put a camera in it to go drive, please.

[Doug]

I haven't yet actually watched the drive. I just thought his explanation.

[Kenan]

And I mean this actually this. I learned a couple of things in this.

[Doug]

Yeah.

[Kenan]

One is that like you often say, it's like, oh, you burn. You won't be impressed with the performance of a 250gt for the money. It's like, no. But I'll tell you what the experience even from the camera is.

[Doug]

And to be clear, I only say that when people talk about how an SL65 has more power than an SLR and it's like, okay, there's more to a car than just the power level. I'm sure the experience is unbelievable.

[Kenan]

It must just. It was a pleasure to watch. This video was incredible. I couldn't. I was so grateful. But the thing I noticed is like. And Harry mentions it this. It really was a race car for the like look how thin the like when he drives over bumps. You see the roof go like this. Like it moves which is. You can kind of see it there. It's just like bouncing around. The car is cabin.

[Doug]

You're up there. You only have the basics.

[Kenan]

It's hot nose speedometer.

[Doug]

There's the lightning bolt symbol which appears on race cars. One thing I didn't realize that Harry told me and others, but I think it was mostly geared to me was is that a few of the 62 cars were rebodied as 64s. I thought all the 64s were newly built.

[Kenan]

No.

[Doug]

And then the 62s were themselves. But including this car. He said, I think yes, this car.

[Kenan]

That's correct. This car was rebodied as a jogger body car. Which is which the things I realized, which is an interesting point and unfortunate because the Series 1 is so pretty and the Series 2 is not. But the things that he points out, which I think is fascinating is that they really took the 250lm styling.

[Doug]

It looks like an LM.

[Kenan]

The rear really looks. Look that looks like a 250l if.

[Doug]

You just looked at it from here. Not the nice. I mean the 250LM was a mid engine car. So doing. Doing the look on a front engine car is odd.

[Kenan]

Right? It's like the Mira. It's kind of. This is kind of their never.

[Doug]

The. The 64s never look good. But I understand why they're Just as appealing now having watched this video, right.

[Kenan]

It's, it's so interesting and everybody should go watch it. If you're at all interested in.

[Doug]

You're never going to get 250GTO. The most expensive car in the world and the most desirable car from the most desirable brand. You're never going to get coverage of it from anybody else. Do a video on it too. It's just never going to occur. I don't know that I'd even want the risk, honestly. When I did Leno's McLaren he was like, you can't drive it. I was like, thank the God. Let alone this.

[Kenan]

I mean I, I knew I also, I had.

[Doug]

Harry can do it though, of course.

[Kenan]

And I, I found or I, I thought about this like, you know, it only has 376,000 views only. But I had a feeling in Harry's end of the year wrap up when he talks about his videos because he goes through his analytics, you know, around Christmas time. I had a feeling this video video would. It's like what do you have to do to make a popular YouTube video? He drove a 250 GTO, a car no one gets to drive. And it only did this number of views. And I'm sure something about. It'll be like. It'll be something about like eco friendly fuels or something that will get or.

[Nick]

How many views did your Ferrari360 putting a TV on the roof get even.

[Doug]

Beyond that I got. And I'm not trying to compete with Harry because I think that Harry's content is truly peerless. But I got 465,000 views doing the lucid Gravity. Now he's only been up for three days. But you. This is one of the reasons I don't do old cars. This is one of the reasons I do. I, I remember, I'll never forget when I went to Dubai and I filmed an espada and a 250 Lusso Lusso Y and a, A boxer and a Yama and some Maserati. The Ghibli. It was a Ghibli. It was a Maserati. Ghibli.

[Kenan]

Yeah.

[Doug]

And yeah, there's the Maserati video. Yeah, I film those five, five kind of famous Italian exotic cars. And then at the very end, because I had one extra slot to film the. The guy who worked at the dealership also owned a Hyundai Equus that was pre US market. Like it was a 90s Hyundai Equus. I filmed that and that one did the best.

[Kenan]

Wow.

[Doug]

And it just Proves to me. Proved to me that there's just the audience, isn't there? Even if you have a 250 GTO, which is.

[Kenan]

But for those of us who appreciate it and are like, you will never.

[Doug]

Get a more in depth look.

[Kenan]

No, it was like. It was extraordina extraordinary.

[Doug]

Go watch that video. Watch Nick's. Go on Nick's YouTube. Forget about my stuff. Go on Nick's YouTube channel. Find out his SLR thing.

[Nick]

We don't know.

[Kenan]

I actually think that might be the best video I've seen. The 250 GTO on recent memory. There is the Petrolicious one of seven minutes of it uninterrupted at full speed, being driven really hard. That that might be the best.

[Nick]

Have you.

[Doug]

Has Harry done an slr? I'm sure he has.

[Kenan]

I believe he did.

[Doug]

I don't watch SLR content. Obviously. You should watch. Watch that because that'll be a good video, like a good intro to the slr.

[Nick]

Harry's Gary, you know, who had a totally unrelated here. But you know how it's really hard to do good YouTube content of people driving on a track or just driving in general.

[Kenan]

Oh, that's true. He did the MSO one.

[Nick]

That's cool. Big time. Did one on a 90s IMSA race car that they bought. And the way that they cut it and the. The sounds of just like the raw cut, you know, sequential gearbox and everything thing. Like, they actually did a really good job at making you feel like you're racing with them.

[Doug]

I gotta watch it.

[Nick]

Yeah, you can skip the rest.

[Doug]

It's all supportive of Big Time, of course, as is Kenan.

[Kenan]

Of course.

[Doug]

We get a new market report. I don't want to talk too much about it because we're. We're pushing time here. And we have to take questions, which were brilliant this week, and some of them are even geared toward Nick.

[Kenan]

Wow.

[Doug]

But let's talk about market report, starting with the 1M. Yes.

[Kenan]

So we often talked about the BMW 1M. That the market has been strong, but it's. It clearly is really strong. So this one had. This is a Valencia orange car, which is the color, but it was. One owner had 24,000 miles on it, which for one of these is a decent amount.

[Doug]

Yeah, you see them with 10 sometimes.

[Kenan]

It's still transacted for $72,000, which is.

[Doug]

A ton sticker was what, 50, probably 55, I think.

[Kenan]

Yeah, something like that actually probably is pictured.

[Doug]

It's crazy to me especially that this car is so desired. There you go.

[Kenan]

You have to forces who knows this BMW.

[Doug]

It's crazy to me that these cars are still so valuable. Especially because it was followed up with a car that was more powerful, still had a manual. They did a CS version of the next gen. They did a competition version next gen. Like everything that they usually when a car becomes valuable it's because the next gen screwed that screwed up things like the Ford GT right before being serious. The new one is a tip is a Turbo is a V6 and that has vaunted the old one. This car that wasn't the case. BMW followed this up with a car that is by all measures better. However the market is just in love with this car.

[Kenan]

Well yeah, I mean this one is just.

[Doug]

And I. And I agree I'm in love with it too.

[Nick]

But it's same the SL65 versus SLR argument. It's. It's more than just. That's right what it is on paper.

[Doug]

That's right. It is more than just what it is on paper. It is. It is. It is a special car in a way that it. That is not just about the way it steers and handles and feels.

[Kenan]

I love the way it drives. That overboost function that kicks into. It's so cool. It just does it automatically. I like. I think it's. If you're. If you're full throttle as well. It like uses the throttle position sensor and it will give you. I think it's like seven seconds of like seven seconds. Yeah, it's. It's impressive. And so I think if you have one it. I really like these cars.

[Nick]

I do too.

[Kenan]

We've sold quite a few. Sixteen of them but. And I drove this one. Your list wonderful. Nah, this is too refined for Nick.

[Nick]

Yeah, it's too nice. I'm sorry. Our mutual friend Mark has had what, two, three, something like that. Like it does seem like the people that buy them to get really into them like cult following.

[Doug]

Yeah.

[Nick]

Like they sell them, they regret them, they immediately buy a nicer one. Kind of like that's a very normal thing to do here.

[Doug]

It is. It is a really, really, really special car.

[Kenan]

Special cool. And the values reflect that.

[Nick]

It's funny, when I bought my ttrs I thought oh this will be like the one M. It'll get a cult following. And ttrs for some reason never had the same effect that the 1m did. Even though they were both. Both like special enthusiast only vehicles. Certain low production manual.

[Doug]

Yeah, that is a little odd when you think about it because TTRS was probably similar production numbers it was also based on a car where the regular one was not amaz. I mean, like, not that special. It was also suit. It was one year, right?

[Nick]

12, 12 and 13, I want to say.

[Doug]

Yeah, it's kind of weird that these cars never really took off.

[Nick]

And same with the one that followed. It was, quote, unquote, better, but. But, like, the old one was more special. Like, this is when there was like a Facebook petition from Audi to bring this to America. Like, clearly a marketing ploy. But at the same time, like, I.

[Kenan]

Think that might be the difference. This car was always viewed as a skunk works car that was never supposed to exist. And that made it really cool. And then BMW made it and same thing with the Z3M coupe. Like, that car was never supposed to exist. It was something that engineers did in the spare time that kind of added to the allure.

[Doug]

Yeah, that was. And that still is brought up when people Talk about the 1M AS. It was like this car that was like, kind of cobbled together almost. That almost made it like it was.

[Kenan]

The best parts of what is one of the best M cars. The E9XM3 is a fantastic car. You put that in a much smaller.

[Doug]

Package and it reminds us all of the. The 2002 and the E30. And I think that that, that also plays a role.

[Kenan]

And it was at that time when cars were beginning to get bigger and heavier. And it like. Yeah, it was like the last one.

[Doug]

We talk about the mid-2000s, but there were a few cars that sort of carried it on even beyond that, and this was one of them. This car did not come from the mid-2000s, but it has that ethos. Yep. I'm. I'm going to tell you a story about the 1M that I may have told you before, but I don't think I've told in this pod. You know, the first time I ever drove one. Have I ever told you this?

[Kenan]

I don't think so.

[Doug]

At Porsche, we would occasionally. Do I have a picture of it in here somewhere. We would occasionally do swaps with other automakers. I'm trying to find the date so they could drive our product and we could drive their product. Honestly, it's probably illegal. Illegal and collusory, but we would do it. And.

[Kenan]

And I.

[Doug]

And, and, and at some point, BMW sent us a Valencia Orange 1M.

[Nick]

Wow.

[Doug]

And I'm trying to find the picture here, the exact date, but here it is. And I had. I got it on March 6, 2012, for one night.

[Kenan]

One night.

[Doug]

It went around the office. There was no reason for me to drive it other than the people who were in power of these cars knew I was an enthusiast and thought I would like it. And so I got it. 3-6-2012 for one night. Here's a picture of my friend Andrew driving the car for the one night. We're at a gas station. We probably had to probably drove it like pulled an all nighter in the car and and I absolutely fell in love with the car that one night. And I remember March 2012 at that time there were still allocations available and I can't remember if someone from our office did it or a friend of someone from our office did it but went through someone we knew at Porsche who knew a BM person and was and got it in an allocation and she said she Patty the person who we who went was the BMW like go between. She's like if you want one. I was like I don't know. It's 50 grand. I'm not sure. Would have been cool.

[Nick]

Roughly what they sell for now.

[Doug]

Yeah. Nice ones even more obviously.

[Kenan]

Yeah they just really have not like I mean this guy bought this and it was $55,000 car or thereabouts. Drove it 43,500 miles and sold it for 50 grand. Yeah.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Kenan]

I mean there just aren't that many modern cars you can do that.

[Doug]

I I still remember that one night. I've driven them several since then. But that, that one night was like all I really needed to understand just how special that car was and this was coming from at the time. I drove a lot of Porsches very frequently and to. It was a really. It was clear to me then that it was a really special car.

[Kenan]

I love the one night like impression. Like remember when, remember when Chris Harris had a Veyron for a night and he did in Germany and he took it in southern Germany where you have the true de restricted autobahns and he took that and it is a997 I think.1gt3rs and that was the chase car. And like he said like there's great video of it or he just lays into. I think he did 220 miles an hour on public roads with him which probably was. Maybe Bugatti didn't want him to do but he did it anyway. But like it just like the Porsche just like it's just not even close. It was like a great demonstration but it was all night. He just drove it all night.

[Nick]

Dude.

[Doug]

To have a V to just drive around.

[Nick]

That'd be a good podcast Question. You can only have a car for one night. You can never own it or drive it it again. Selena, seven would be mine. But like you'd pick a car you wouldn't want to be stuck with but really want to experience.

[Kenan]

Yeah, man, that's a great question.

[Doug]

That is a great question. Speaking of question for next week. No, I want to talk about. There's. There's two more market report cars I want to talk about. One is the C4ZR1. I'll let you talk about it.

[Kenan]

Oh yeah. So I. This is not a very me car at all, I have to say. But I adore the C4ZR1 because of the LT5. The engine in this car was so ahead of its time, you know, and. And I. And Corvette hasn't done another engine. Engine like it since. And I have just love these cars. I think they're really special. There aren't that many of them and I think they're really cool. But they are such a value and everybody sleeps on them. This isn't like a. Yeah, they're early C4s aren't the best cars. These cars were amazing and I think that they really are undervalued for what they are. I mean they sell for 20 grand all day long.

[Nick]

That purple one, this one here. Red one. Yeah.

[Doug]

This picture. This is a picture of the Midwest. A poorly maintained road Road. A C4 Corvette and personal watercraft on a lake. That is a photograph of the Midwest.

[Kenan]

Yeah. Which Midwest state? New York.

[Doug]

It's in New York. Wow.

[Kenan]

Famed Midwestern state. Yeah. But I mean the. The spirit of it.

[Doug]

Spirit of the picture is where Nick and he was trying to capture that because he knew his buyer was going to be in Indiana.

[Nick]

Right.

[Kenan]

And he knew he's only got so many days.

[Doug]

If you go to the rear. He even put a Michigan plate on it. Then the famous one with the car. C4ZR1 is pretty che. I've never driven one to know if it's good, but it is cheap.

[Nick]

Another plug to a random YouTube channel. But Ammo NYC just had one on their channel last weekend. Barn find covered in like rat poop and all that. And watching them wash it and polish it. It's black. So satisfying.

[Doug]

The later ones seem cooler. I mean, you mentioned, you know, early ZR ones kind of suck.

[Kenan]

Truthfully, the early C4.

[Doug]

Early C4 suck. Truthfully. The early ZR1s were actually pretty early in the C4 run. They were 90, 90, 91. It's kind of. But later they did eventually they did go with the ZR1 all the way through to the end where it kind of got better looking and probably got tighter.

[Kenan]

They got a lot more modern looking, that's for sure. Yeah, I. I just really like these cars. This is a Corvette. I would actually genuinely consider owning this in the C5Z6 are like the.

[Doug]

I want a C4 Grand Sport. Can you pull up a C4 Grand Sport just so I can look at it. I'm not even going to talk about it. We'll do it on another pot.

[Nick]

We'll just look at it.

[Doug]

I just want to look at it for just a minute. Grand sport.

[Nick]

Don't, don't there a one without the D though, at some point.

[Doug]

Oh, I think this car is the coolest looking Corvette.

[Kenan]

That's a picture of the Midwest.

[Doug]

Truly believe. Yeah, March truly believe this is the coolest looking Corvette of all time.

[Kenan]

Was that grand tour of all time. You think the C2 split window is?

[Nick]

Oh, C2. Yeah.

[Doug]

Okay. C2 split window followed by this.

[Nick]

Oh, get the dog.

[Kenan]

Go back. There's a dog.

[Doug]

I just think the C4 Grand Sport is like a true, truly beautifully perfect car. And it was 96, only it was the last model year of the C4, so it was like the best of breed.

[Nick]

Oh, it is.

[Doug]

I want one of those. Damn.

[Kenan]

It is cool.

[Doug]

Why don't I have one of those?

[Kenan]

Because you got other stuff.

[Doug]

Yeah. It's time to make a list and start going after some cars. Okay. Last thing I want to talk about is the mid engine gti.

[Nick]

Back on cars.

[Doug]

Yeah.

[Kenan]

This car.

[Doug]

Back on cars, baby.

[Kenan]

Back on cars. This one was a bit of a surprise. It feels like it's up your alley.

[Nick]

Season one. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Kenan]

This. I have no words for this. Exactly. So recently someone sold this as a. So someone sold a gti.

[Nick]

Oh, I didn't see the result where.

[Kenan]

They put the engine in the middle. So this is the front. You can see no motor up here because it lives back here. Look at that.

[Doug]

It's a homemade R5 Turbo.

[Kenan]

It is.

[Nick]

It's cool.

[Doug]

And with, with the, with the vents. I mean like if, if another, if another 20 grand had gone into this build, you could have made it like look factory. Like obviously that, that doesn't really.

[Kenan]

You could have painted that and made it look a little nicer, dress it up a little bit. But otherwise the car looks pretty factory. I mean, I mean there's some pretty big giveaway.

[Nick]

It's a sleeper build in general.

[Doug]

There's some pretty big, you know.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Kenan]

But it sold for 9,700. I think this is an unbelievably cool.

[Doug]

I completely agree. I, I saw this come in when I was doing the dog's take and.

[Nick]

I was like, wait, what did the comments say? How you got California license plates on this?

[Doug]

Because, yeah, I think, I think there's, that's impressive. There's a guy named Big Rick Bubba. And, and he, and he's got a smog shop out somewhere out east of San Bernardino County. And anyway, yada yada, yada, he's got California plates on him.

[Kenan]

He's got a GTI.

[Nick]

Wow.

[Kenan]

Mark 6 GT happens to be the, you know, I mean, if it gets.

[Doug]

Plugged into another one, Big Rick happens to also have a gti.

[Kenan]

Hey, man.

[Nick]

Passive.

[Kenan]

Yeah, but I, I, I just thought this was like the coolest thing. I thought it was going to go for way more, to be honest, because you really never know with these oddball builds.

[Doug]

But I, I wasn't surprised to see this result. I think that it's, you're buying someone else's project and a car like this will kind of perpetually be a project. Like, truthfully, like, like it's, it's, it's not like it's finished. Like you're always going to be, have, have to be working on keeping it, whatever cooled or et cetera.

[Nick]

True.

[Doug]

And so you got to have some real mechanical know how. But also you didn't want to do it yourself. You just want to buy. Yeah, but whatever someone else did.

[Kenan]

How cool.

[Doug]

It's cool as hell. I was astonished to see it come across that and the Grand Cherokee, honestly, which also didn't sell for all that much with the, with the hemisphot. Dude, let's, let's buy some swaps. But I think people are a little worried about buying people. People swapped builds like 9,500 like burry. Let's bargain.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Doug]

Okay, we gotta do questions. The questions are brought to us by Nick and his YouTube channel. Nick's YouTube channel. I don't know what it's called. Go to Nick's YouTube show. We don't know how to say his name.

[Kenan]

Rochon.

[Doug]

Go to Nick's YouTube channel. He sponsored our question segment today. So if you asked a question, you.

[Kenan]

Have not said thank you to the listeners for listening to Doug and coming.

[Doug]

So many questions.

[Kenan]

431 Comments this week with questions.

[Doug]

So many questions. So many good ones. In fact. Kenan wanted to submit a question from his friend Jeff and I deleted it. Sorry, Jeff. Submit it in the thread.

[Kenan]

He Did. It's in the thread. He merely highlighted it.

[Doug]

All right, first question from there's some good ones I'm going to. I'm going to try to find. Okay, first question from F40RCK5. This is a great question and it's going to go not the way the question asker hoped it would. Hey Doug, Canon is an anti modification guy. What cars do you think look better modified esthetically especially beyond ws? None.

[Kenan]

Dude.

[Doug]

I was at. I have a crazy experience. I was at a shop yesterday and the guy who runs the shop told me he bought a 996C 4S off the original owner who had died and the wheels were factory chrome from 02. And the way he solved that problem was he was putting on aftermarkets. And I'm like man, the widebody996 wheels are so attractive. But anyway, the answer is none. Nick, your thoughts?

[Nick]

I had a long list of cars if we look at BMW only Anyone that does CSL mods on an E46.

[Kenan]

But they never sick of them.

[Doug]

The problem is they never stop where they should. No, they do two, they do the. There's only like three CSL mods and then they also just have to lower it and do tinted tails and do all this other dumb crap.

[Nick]

That all looks great. I'm good with that. I. I said the Z3 and M coupe roadster you got to do a height adjustment. It needs just a. A mild drop.

[Doug]

There is not a single car I have ever thought looked better lowered than oe.

[Nick]

I think every OE car looks better with spacers on it. The offsets are always too weak. Just push them out 5, 7 millimeters. It's all you need.

[Doug]

I think every OE car looks worse with spaces on it. When I see a car with spacers I think to myself that guy is smoking pot in the the car look perfect.

[Nick]

What's wrong with that?

[Doug]

Well, you gotta smell right.

[Kenan]

Perfect example CSL front bumper looks great.

[Doug]

Wrong wheel slammed with E92 M3 wheels.

[Kenan]

And then there's the CSL rear trunk lid and then black kidney girls of course, which is awful.

[Nick]

I don't mind those either but they terrible.

[Kenan]

They look like giant holes that are in the hood.

[Nick]

I just look at the current BMW design language benefit of that car is.

[Doug]

It doesn't have the current beam. I actually don't hate the black grills that much on non black cars. On black cars I think they look really stupid. It is very rare, truly very rare where I find a aesthetic modification. I this Is very different about other modifications. An aesthetic modification where I think that it looks better.

[Nick]

My guilty pleasure is carbon fiber vented hoods like that one white one there. I don't know why I love that. I love it. I think it's the Steve Celine influence where the more vents equals faster and so the more vents like the S7 that you can put on a car the faster think it is.

[Kenan]

But I love that guilty pleasure in all these pictures they're taking from a low angle to hide Nick, you're like no, get a close up of that.

[Nick]

It's not for everyone. I like a zip tie holding the two girls together.

[Doug]

Mind you, when I see aesthetic modifications I generally think like why? Yep. And even wheels. I'm a lover of factory wheels. I can tell if you show me any wheel ever I can tell you exactly what car it was on. I am obsessed with factory wheels. I think the factory wheel designs have such an important component of the design and overall look of the vehicle vehicle. And I've bought cars based entirely on their factory wheel designs and I really truly believe the RS2 and I really truly believe that like very rare do I see aesthetic modifications benefiting. I think lowered cars look bad. I honestly generally think the factory sets the ride height for a reason and part of it is because when you lower a car it ends up messing with the overall proportions and doesn't look great. I'm different. Most people will completely disappoint. Disagree with this.

[Kenan]

Nope. I agree wholeheartedly. I will say. Yeah well that that's how you do it, right.

[Doug]

You want to mod a car aesthetically, turn it, turn an E46 325i touring into an M3A factory looking M3 wagon.

[Kenan]

Those are some mods I can get behind. I. I will say the one I would maybe give an exception to although it was built by the Factory is the X5LM which is on the previous wheels but it was built by BMW by the factory. But it was an XML 5 that was re heavily modified.

[Doug]

The moment the factory comes into play it's fine.

[Kenan]

Well okay, I agree but I mean Otherwise it's an E53 on BVS LMS.

[Nick]

If you feel that way then it's slippery slope. What about a roof? What about an Alpena?

[Doug]

Roofs are modded cars.

[Nick]

It's a factory did it but what.

[Doug]

Not the factory roofs are look slippery slow. I'm going to make. I'm going to make a proclamation right here and now. We've said it.

[Nick]

We've.

[Doug]

We've Intimated before. Let's just go for it.

[Kenan]

Just say it.

[Doug]

Roof is not an automaker.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Doug]

Porsche makes the car roof, maybe does an engine. They mod the car. We could make an engine. Like roof is not an automaker. And so everybody's like, the roof such and such was the fastest car in the world. No, it wasn't.

[Kenan]

Yeah. I don't view the yellow bird as being it was faster than the F40. I view the F40 as like holding the record for the world's fastest modern F F40.

[Doug]

Right.

[Kenan]

Exactly. When you modify something that's. And it's faster than something that isn't modified, it's like, well, you're not apples to apples comparing.

[Doug]

Well, they have their own fin.

[Nick]

I don't care.

[Doug]

Like to me, if you park those, it doesn't pass the My wife test. That's the thing. If you park that car next to a 964, my wife would think it's the exact same car. You parking F40 there, that's a different car.

[Nick]

SL65 and SLR wouldn't pass the My wife test.

[Doug]

Well, Roadster, see, that's why you buy an SLR coupe because the coupe has much better lines and hopefully you'll do.

[Nick]

It's a good thing I haven't committed either way, so it's plenty of time.

[Doug]

I think that is the drawback of the SLR Roadster strongly on the roof.

[Nick]

As well as modifications.

[Doug]

You think roof is an Automaker, they make 20 cars, they get their own VIN and so everybody's like, well, they have their own VIN.

[Nick]

When Aloisa Roof showed me the rodeo at Car Week, I fell in love twice in the same moment.

[Kenan]

All right.

[Doug]

Was one of the loves when she gave you a free cowboy hat?

[Nick]

That was.

[Kenan]

Didn't hurt.

[Nick]

Didn't hurt. Yeah.

[Doug]

Okay. Anyway, that's where our stance on modification. Thankfully, Nick is right here to give.

[Kenan]

Us stand up for modification.

[Doug]

Stand up for modifications.

[Kenan]

I'm going to continue this.

[Doug]

Click on that.

[Nick]

I am into that.

[Doug]

Nick's like, yeah, I love the front.

[Nick]

Lip, but that's easy to redo.

[Kenan]

Man, that looks like it just scrapes on everything.

[Doug]

That's the other thing. Modifications almost exclusively have some downstream negative.

[Nick]

Effects almost always, but also some positive upstream effects.

[Doug]

Right.

[Nick]

If you take that thing to the track, I'm going to have more GS and I'm going to stick. I'm going to out Apex you and your. Your right height designed to not hit parking barriers. When you go to the public supermarket.

[Kenan]

In South Florida, Apex you're going to. You're going to high center the car.

[Doug]

The truth is his body kit was probably $24,000 and the guy's terrified to take the car anywhere, right?

[Kenan]

Yep.

[Doug]

This parking lot is next to his house and completely flat and entrances.

[Kenan]

Yep, exactly. The high open highway is the only place you can drive it.

[Doug]

Okay, next question, Next question. Next question. From emiston4757. I'm curious your take on this, guys. I had a couple of years from 20 to 22 where I took a break from cars completely. Have you guys ever taken breaks from interesting cars or were you always into it?

[Kenan]

It's a great question. I do occasionally take a break from it because it's funny because I also am very fortunate that I get to like work in the autobove industry, which is something that I am passionate about. And when your work and play are the same thing, it like it. It can be exhausting. I have a lot of other interests and so what I often do is I'll just indulge one of them. Like I'll go like when winter comes. I usually become way more interested in watches than cars. Despite living in Southern California. It's just that's what I'm used to. And so, like, sometimes I'll just indulge those. But I do need some breaks from it because, like, you know, it. It just wears on you after a time. I think.

[Doug]

I've never taken a break in my life. Not even for a minute.

[Kenan]

Not in interest. You take a break from purchasing, that's for sure.

[Doug]

But I'm still like watching the market every day, thinking about cars, watching YouTube car videos. It's literally never even for a moment since I was as long as I can remember.

[Nick]

Same for me, the college, you couldn't have a car. Like, there just wasn't adequate parking.

[Doug]

That made me even more desirable.

[Nick]

I spent so much time playing racing video games as well as hanging out on E46 fanatics. I never owned an E46 that was like my home for four years in college. And like, why? Why that instead of why I like modded CSLs. When some dude chrome wrapped a CSL flossman in Canada and everyone said, oh my gosh, Chrome M3, like took over the Internet in my world and like, I'd be like in like, you know, gender science 101 or whatever and be.

[Doug]

Like, did you see the Chrome 3? Even though he never owned. Did you ever want an E46?

[Nick]

I still want an E46 and it's a very achievable dream, but I haven't done it.

[Doug]

Did know this. I always knew he was on Audi zine.

[Kenan]

He was.

[Doug]

Nick was Audi Zener of the month about 13 years ago. You can. You can actually Google it. It's still live on there.

[Nick]

Yes. Shout out, Anthony. Yes. No, but. So that was the closest thing with. I lived in D.C. for a year and a half. I didn't have a car there, but I was still like hanging out on car forums and car culture. I just couldn't physically drive anything.

[Kenan]

I knew this about you. I don't know why you did this, but I didn't know.

[Doug]

Let me tell you something.

[Nick]

When.

[Doug]

When Nick. Let me. Let me tell you something. When I met Nick, he was a. He was a. He didn't have a kid yet. He didn't. A child. And he. He was really into cars. He had that ttrs that he modded, the one that he. Money shifted and. And he's copying to it now. Finally he money shifted this gtrs and.

[Kenan]

And.

[Doug]

And then he had his. His. His daughter. And I kind of thought we would lose Nick. I kind of thought that would be the end. I made it. I made it clear. I was like, nick, I think this is kind of the end for you and your car. And he actually. That's kind of was a turning point where he began to get crazier.

[Nick]

Yeah. Actually, in retrospect, maybe that's when my sleep apnea started.

[Kenan]

Our friend group is very healthy.

[Doug]

And in quick succession, Nick got like an RS4, then an R8 and the Mercy and various other cars. And he. He really proved me wrong there.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Doug]

Yeah. But I was afraid that that would happen to Nick, then spike cars. Next question from Special K24, which is a great username. It's a Honda thing. Question for Doug. Doug, can you peel back the curtain on insurance and other cost fees as part of owning a small fleet of supercars? You do a nice job sharing maintenance and repair items. But I'm curious what it costs on owning these also. Are you still doing storage? I am not. The cars are all stored at my house in the office because we have all the space. But ownership, I never really think about that. The insurance, expensive. The rest of the cars are not in sales. Insane. But I don't know that I've ever really discussed. I should probably make a video about it. Sean will be mad that I put it in this video. But career GT is about 10 grand a year. To insure, it's a thousand bucks a month. That's a lot. And Then you add up the other cars and my bill at Hagerty, which comes due every February is almost $20,000 a year. And just in general, when you kind of make some money, like insurance is like an unbelievable part of my life. I spend an un. Unbelievable amount of money every year on insurance. Yeah, but that's, that's, that's about it. And then registration is, is what it is. I mean you can look those up. They're all kind of percentages and stuff. It's not that crazy because my cars are mostly old and the, the states, the two states that I live in here in, in Massachusetts and in California, it's based primarily on the original value of the car. And so it's not, it's not crazy to renew the plates. But Insurance is high.

[Kenan]

I 10 grand a year. That's not that kind of crazy for a $1.3 million car.

[Doug]

Yeah, I mean, I think Haggerty knows that people who own these cars are not. Well, first off, they're not going to f. Claims. No. Like ultimately it's like. But also that, you know, people who own these cars are not, they're so, they're so careful.

[Kenan]

Yeah. And if you have multiple of them, that really proves that point.

[Doug]

I mean hagger, I pay 11 grand a year and it doesn't sound like all that much considering the car so valuable. However, how many days do you even drive that car? Like it's like once a week and not for 90 days in the summer. So I don't know, do I drive it 30 days? Their risk is limited to probably 20 miles on 30 days.

[Kenan]

And that's, that's one of the great things or one of the things that's often misunderstood, I think about exotic car insurance because like my 355, it was like, it was like it added like $101 a month because they knew I wasn't going to drive that car very much. So the risk is substantially lower now. Something happens, it's a problem.

[Doug]

But yeah, what's the Murcielago situation situation there?

[Nick]

It's like I want to say five or six grand a year. It's not terrible either.

[Doug]

By the way, I do assume I get some sort of discount with career GT because I have so many. I have like 2 point some million dollars in cars.

[Nick]

That's where I was going to go. When I added the arnage, the total policy went down because the multi car discount say it's 5% off was subtracted more of the mercy than the cost to add the arnage. Which they assume is just like worth nothing.

[Doug]

And they're right.

[Nick]

The Arnage actually saved me money on insurance by bringing down my total bill more than.

[Kenan]

But it cost you a hell of a lot more.

[Nick]

That's true. It's. It's. It's bit me on the other end.

[Doug]

Next question from R. Laur. Hey all, after all your years of driving manual cars, how often do you guys accidentally stall? A couple of times a year. Does it never happen anymore? Stall the Care GT today it does still happen. It is very rare. I generally only do real miles in the three manual cars that I own. And I am really dialed in with how to. How to operate them. Yep. How often do you stop?

[Nick]

Probably all the time. Oh yeah. I think between my attention span and everything everything else, it's bound to happen. I, Matt Ivanhoe let me Test drive a 996 GT3 Club Sport.

[Kenan]

Oh yeah.

[Nick]

And I stalled it out on a hill and then like he was looking at me like you idiot. And then that just made me like completely freak out and like it took me like a minute to get going again.

[Doug]

Sometimes unfamiliar cars can be hard. Although when I am doing videos with unfamiliar manual cars, I am putting an enormous amount of effort and attention.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Doug]

Which Nick doesn't Into that driving experience.

[Nick]

Well, when you get frazzled.

[Doug]

Like I didn't even install the crazy BMW 700. I didn't install it once. Which is hard to do. Right.

[Kenan]

It stole itself on me. But I did not.

[Nick]

Well, with the mercy when you drive it tomorrow, you'll find it does. It almost needs no gas. Like it could just go on its own. Like a Carrera gt.

[Doug]

Generally speaking, the exotic cars.

[Nick]

That's true. The multiply. You got to pretty much do full throttle.

[Doug]

Yeah.

[Nick]

So you just gotta like, like if you go from one to the other really quickly, like you're. You're putting way too much pressure on one pedal or the other. So. So yeah.

[Kenan]

I still, I want to say it's been once in the last three years, I think.

[Doug]

Wow.

[Kenan]

Like I remember it was my M5 too. It was like there was a situation where there's like a lot going on and so I was paying attention to something else and I just.

[Doug]

What about in you drive a lot of other cars, like when they come off the truck here and.

[Kenan]

Yeah. I don't have any problems with those.

[Doug]

Damn.

[Kenan]

I mean because I always like you test the throttle pedal first. You figure out where the bite point is once you know that it's.

[Doug]

And plus with unfamiliar cars I tend to Be particularly like safe. Like I, I, I don't like try to get it at the exact. I, I probably put in a little too much gas and a little too much, you know what I mean? Trying to make sure that I don't stall.

[Nick]

Cuz that's not backing the mercy off the top of a transporter truck. I stall. That was so it has about this much clearance on both sides from the wheels. For whatever reason the transport driver, he couldn't fit in the car, I think was the issue. And they made us back it out. Now that was one where you're just like, I can't.

[Doug]

Yeah. Reason alone not to want to transport.

[Kenan]

Yours or his putting it in the tr. Careful.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Doug]

Okay. Last question, final question, last question, final question, last question. Let's talk about it. Have S2K reactions to Larry Chen visiting the Brunei car collection. I have not watched this video yet. 45 minutes long, but nothing. There's nothing new, right? No, he doesn't go to see the most special cars.

[Kenan]

No, he goes to see the Princess's collection of cars which are nothing. I mean like the only Ferrari was a Mondial. Like it's like, it genuinely is like, and it is sad to see all those cars, I mean they are genuinely rotting away.

[Doug]

It's cool that he got there. It's cool that someone did it. We did not get in to see the cars that are not running away.

[Kenan]

And I think the whole point of the video, it focuses more on Brunei car culture because the cars get out or auctioned off by the family regularly because they have so many.

[Doug]

All the time. It's always all the time.

[Kenan]

So those cars stay in Brunei and are owned by locals there and the car culture surrounding them is very cool. But like ain't nobody getting to see the real stuff.

[Doug]

Yeah, the getting, just getting in is cool. The fact that someone was there is super cool. We want to see Prince Jeffrey's crazy cars. And you know, I will say this is my interpretation of this whole thing. I think the Brunei royal family to this day is a little embarrassed about the whole thing. And so they've never, they don't really sell cars out of the collection. And the important ones they do auction off like Mercedes basically all the time. But they've never really sold any of the really big cars. A few here and there, but generally not. They've never opened it up to the public even though it would have enormous public interest. Yeah, and I think they're, they're a little embarrassed about.

[Nick]

I think it's a mistake though.

[Doug]

I Agree.

[Nick]

It's the only reason most people know where Brunai is or have heard of it.

[Doug]

Absolutely.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Doug]

And those cars are so special. It was an unbelievable time in the automotive industry, in the exotic car world. And I think a public museum there would be unbelievable.

[Kenan]

Yeah, I agree. I think they should be more embarrassed about the cars they're letting roll away. That is more embarrassing to me than the crazy one off stuff they built.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Kenan]

But by the same token, it did keep Rolls Royce and Bentley around.

[Doug]

And people are now saying Aston Martin had the same. Was saying the same thing. It kept them going and likely Brunei, hopefully. I'm super interested to see that video. Haven't watched it yet, but excited to see it when I do. Sad that we still can't get what we really want, which is me and Nick go to Brunei ourselves.

[Nick]

I'm down.

[Kenan]

You've taken me on that trip. I'm not just going to let you take Nick here. Yeah, sorry, I'm going on that one.

[Doug]

You can't allowing Nick into a Muslim country. You. You gotta like a strict. You gotta be. You gotta have minders. He's gotta have minders.

[Kenan]

I think we'll just put like a call, like an electric collar on his wrist and just zap him every time he starts to say something insane.

[Doug]

Ah, there we go. That's our podcast. Ken on any pie? Any final thoughts for us?

[Kenan]

Best one we've ever done.

[Doug]

Best pod we've ever done. Nick is here and I'm thrilled about it.

[Nick]

I'm thrilled to be here.

[Doug]

Lovely. All right.

[Nick]

Bet on the mercy next week.

[Doug]

Yeah, Big mercy week. Maybe there will be an slr. We don't know.

[Nick]

Never find out.

[Doug]

We're not announcing.

[Nick]

I think I'm gonna get an SL65, if anyone has one.

[Doug]

Goodbye, everyone.

[Kenan]

Goodby.