The New Corvette! Porsche Saves the Manual, Four Seat Lamborghini!

Summary

THIS CAR POD! with Doug DeMuro & Friends!

Episode: The New Corvette! Porsche Saves the Manual, Four Seat Lamborghini!

Date: March 27, 2026

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Episode Overview

In this lively episode, Doug DeMuro is joined by regular co-hosts Filippo and Kenan to break down the week’s most notable automotive news and trends. From Honda/Sony’s failed EV partnership, the debut of the latest Corvette Grand Sport, thrilling manual transmission developments at Porsche and Nissan, a possible four-seat Lamborghini, Mercedes-Maybach’s new luxury van, to personal stories of buying, selling, and driving unique cars, the crew delivers sharp analysis and plenty of humor. Listeners also get updates from the Cars & Bids world, audience Q&A, and some wild automotive trivia.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Launch of the New “Key” YouTube Channel

[01:17–03:08]

• Doug announces the new "Key" channel focused on high-quality, cinematic automotive content, a response to requests for more polished productions.
• Filippo shares that the debut video covers JDM car culture with host Ryan Lopez, with more diverse content coming.
• Kenan jokes about Alfa Romeo bias, Filippo assures variety.
• The team encourages listeners to subscribe, teasing the involvement of Producer Sean.

"A chance for Producer Sean to let his creative juices flow and create some really high-quality, cool car stuff." – Doug [02:19]

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2. Honda/Sony “Afeela” EV Project Ends

[03:08–08:44]

• Filippo confirms Honda is halting its EV partnership with Sony; all Afeela models are cancelled.
• The team discusses the challenges tech companies face entering the car business, referencing Apple and Sony’s struggles.
• Kenan highlights how car manufacturing is far harder than tech companies anticipate ("it's not easy to develop a car").
• Repercussions for buyers of short-lived EVs—support, reliability, and the issue of orphaned products—are debated with dark humor.

"If you want to be successful as an EV automaker, this ain’t it." – Doug [06:02]

"It is not easy to develop a car. A lot of tech companies look at it—oh, it's a skateboard." – Kenan [06:38]

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3. Corvette Grand Sport (C8) Reveal & The Manual Transmission Debate

[09:22–14:23]

• Filippo brings early impressions: new stripes, visual tweaks, but no manual transmission despite rumors.
• Tremec’s alleged manual for swaps is discussed and refuted by GM; Tony Roma (Corvette chief engineer) is quoted dismissing the manual rumor.
• Kenan/Doug lament GM’s decision. Arguments are made that C8 buyers would now want a manual more than prior generations.
• Doug compares manual enthusiasm to Porsche’s commitment and secondary market value.
• Doug and Filippo geek out on C4 Grand Sport nostalgia, while Kenan tracks the evolution of enthusiast demand.

“Tremec showed something at SEMA last year that I wish they wouldn’t have shown. It’s not real.” – Tony Roma via Filippo [10:34]

“One of the best sports cars... would be cool if it had three pedals.” – Doug [10:57]

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4. Lamborghini Teases 2+2 Grand Tourer, Plus Design Oddities

[16:55–21:12]

• Doug highlights Lamborghini’s CEO suggesting they lack a two-door, four-seat GT—unusual since these cars (à la Ferrari 612, Roma) rarely succeed.
• The team questions market demand and recalls the Lamborghini Estoque sedan concept, agreeing the sedan (Estoque) looked cooler than the Urus SUV.
• Intentions for a “Ferrari California” style Lamborghini are dissected, plus quirky Lamborghini history with the 1987 Portofino concept (the basis for the Dodge Intrepid).

“Who’s looking for two-door two-plus-twos anymore?” – Doug [18:17]

“Best-dressed CEO in the world.” – Kenan, on Stephan Winkelmann [17:12]

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5. Porsche “Saves the Manual” – Patent for Switchable Automatic/Manual Gearbox

[22:22–24:41]

• Kenan reports Porsche’s 2024 patent for an H-pattern shift-by-wire transmission (automatic/manual switch). Inspired by Koenigsegg’s similar tech and Hyundai Ioniq 5N’s simulated manual.
• The feature is likely intended for upcoming EVs, with simulated feedback via springs and motors.
• Doug notes Porsche’s manual enthusiast cred and predicts early versions may feel quirky but could become the “next big thing.”
• The crew reminisces about semi-automatic manuals of the past (Saab, Ferrari, Porsche’s Sportomatic).

“I think that’s pretty cool technology...the physical act of shifting...” – Doug [23:36]

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6. The Nissan Z: Facelift, “Unreal Green”, and NISMO Manual at Last

[26:02–28:30]

• Filippo: The Z’s facelift is minor but brings a bold green color and, crucially, a manual transmission for the NISMO Z at last.
• Doug/Kenan: Too little, too late—Z's fate is ‘a whimper’ compared to its 2003 return; doubts about desirability and lifespan loom.

"The Nismo Z is finally getting a manual, which it should have had from day one. Too little too late though.” – Doug [26:28]

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7. Mercedes-Maybach’s Super-Luxe Electric Van

[31:45–33:08]

• Following the recent VLE minivan announcement, Filippo confirms a larger, VIP “VLS” Maybach van is coming (~$200,000).
• Doug imagines wild features (“fish tank, cobblestone flooring”); Kenan/Filippo joke about an AMG “R63-style” variant.
• Conversation descends into hopes for over-the-top Maybach excess and practicality for shuttle buyers.

“A Maybach van...$200,000 is the number being bandied about.” – Doug [32:36]

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8. Rolls-Royce’s Coachbuild Atelier Expansion

[40:57–43:07]

• RR to offer more coachbuilt one-offs, likely electric, inviting buyers to “master craft ateliers.”
• Doug and team roast press release hyperbole and speculate on who’s rich (and eccentric) enough to order these.
• Noteworthy: these will be road-legal worldwide and could revive the art of unique “shooting brakes.”

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9. Market Moves: Mercedes-AMG Black Series, Rare Ferraris, and More

[38:23–41:13]; [76:13–80:33]

• New Black Series AMG GT is coming, with rumors of homologation GT3 racer for 2027.
• Analysis of Ferrari Daytona listing: Kenan shares what it’s like to drive a 1970 365 GTB, touching on historical significance and mechanical brilliance.
• Porsche Hill Country Rally highlights love for classic driving events (see Memorable Moments).

“Daytonas have not been appreciated the way they deserve to be.... I hope that changes.” – Kenan [80:04]

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10. Community/Behind-the-Scenes: The End of Doug’s Take

[43:32–46:45]

• Doug’s daily hand-written auction blurbs (“Doug’s Take”) are ending after nearly 6 years and 36,000 cars.
• Reasons: Volume made them generic; comment community now better achieves their purpose; Doug will comment on special cars instead.

“It just got silly...every 100 Series Land Cruiser, I’m talking about the combination of luxury and reliability”—Doug [46:01]

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11. Podcast “Talk Cars” and Trivia

[46:45–53:54]

• Off-beat trivia: The story of the Mega Track, a French V12 off-road supercar, fascinates all.
• Filippo’s “carbureted pickup” on the way, saga of finding correct wheels.
• Doug’s failed attempts to review the new Slate truck, including insight into delays and EV price complications.

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12. Personal Car Updates: Buying, Selling, and Aspirations

[65:01–70:38]

• Kenan has sold his SL65 AMG, is seeking a first-gen Dodge Viper (details, process, why the itch needs scratching).
• Filippo receives pickup truck, plans wheel restoration, jokes about “family process.”
• Reflections on American vs. Euro car experiences.

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13. Porsche Hill Country Rally & the Nature of Car Culture

[72:40–75:18]

• Kenan relates the unique thrill and community of a classic Porsche driving event in Texas.
• Contrast between “driven” car enthusiasm vs. “Rare Shades”-style shows (polished, exclusive, mostly stationary).

“I think that is the future of car events: go and use cars the way they’re supposed to be used. That was the most pure automotive event I have ever been to.” – Kenan [75:18]

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14. Audience Q&A Highlights

[80:33–94:25]

• The Saturn Files: The long-anecdoted, never-released video review of a Saturn SL—may get posted on a future anniversary or as an Easter egg.
• Manual Panamera: Yes, there were ~146 stick-shift Panamera S, but not for US. May become future collectibles (debate about value).
• Exhaust Sound Clips: Most new cars can’t be revved in Park/Neutral due to electronic limiters—so no more “Doug’s Signature Revs” unless possible.
• Comparing Car Culture by City: Panel recalls differences; Midwest (more manuals, tight-knit for rare nice weather), Baltimore (quirky/older cars), Philly (Doug claims “worst car scene,” Filippo argues otherwise).

"Worst car scene in America: Philadelphia." – Doug [93:56]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• The End of Doug’s Take:
  "The community has grown so much that the comments provide what the Doug’s Take was intended to provide in the first place." – Doug [44:44]

• On Electric Manuals:
  "If there’s anything the Ioniq 5N proved...shifting it that way feels pretty organic and really cool.” – Kenan [23:17]

• Maybach Van Hype:
  “There better be a fish tank in this.” – Doug [33:04]

• Afeela’s Failure:
  “It does not have a viable path forward.” – Filippo [05:41]

• Nissan Z Farewell:
  “When I was 15 and the Z came out, it changed the world…this is like kind of a whimper.” – Doug [26:53]

• Classic Car Driving Events:
  "...that was the most pure automotive event I have ever been to and I absolutely loved it.” – Kenan [75:18]

• Cars and Bids News:
  “Cars and Bids is the leading authority on cars and on bidding. If you want to bid or if you want cars, you go to carsandbids.com." – Doug [80:34]

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Timestamps by Segment

• [01:17] – Key YouTube channel launch
• [03:08] – Honda kills the Afeela EV partnership with Sony
• [09:22] – Corvette Grand Sport news, manual transmission rumors
• [16:55] – Lamborghini 2+2 GT, sedan concept history
• [22:22] – Porsche’s patent for manual/automatic switchable gearbox
• [26:02] – Nissan Z facelift and the NISMO manual
• [31:45] – Mercedes-Maybach electric VIP van
• [40:57] – Rolls-Royce Coachbuild program expansion
• [38:23/76:13] – Market moves: Black Series AMG GT; Ferrari Daytona review
• [43:32] – End of “Doug’s Take” auction blurbs
• [46:45] – Offbeat trivia: Mega Track supercar, Slate truck, wheel woes
• [65:01] – Personal car sales, search for Viper, fleet updates
• [72:40] – Porsche Hill Country Rally
• [80:33] – Questions: Saturn Files, Panamera manuals, city car culture

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Final Thoughts

This episode is a smorgasbord of car news, enthusiast culture, and behind-the-scenes insight—delivered with Doug DeMuro’s signature mix of expertise and wit, plus the humor and banter unique to the show’s regulars. Essential listening for anyone who loves spirited debate on car industry moves, obscure automotive trivia, and evolving car culture.

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Transcript

[Filippo]

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[Kenan]

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[Doug]

Hello and welcome to this car pod. I'm Kenneth.

[Filippo]

I'm Filippo.

[Doug]

I'm Doug. And let's start with the news. The biggest news of the week is key, Filippo.

[Filippo]

We have a new channel.

[Doug]

We got a new channel. A new channel. Producer Sean, along with other people who are very gifted, created a new YouTube channel for high quality automotive content. Everybody's always like, why not more cinematic? Why not more quality? Why not do invest real money into making good stuff? And I'm in the parking lot with my bad camera. But now we have that. You can't complain anymore.

[Filippo]

Yep. So find it on YouTube. Subscribe. The first video is out now. It's about JDM car culture. Our very own Ryan Lopez, he of H Vac fame, is the host of that and a lot of other great, great videos.

[Doug]

There's great stuff coming. I've seen some upcoming key videos. They're awesome. This truly is a chance for producer SE, who, by the way, is on the podcast next week. It's a big deal. This is a chance for producer Sean to let his creative juices flow and create some really high quality, cool car stuff. That's gonna be awesome. Are you excited?

[Filippo]

I'm incredibly excited.

[Doug]

Are you excited?

[Kenan]

Is it gonna be only about Alfa Romeo stuff? There's gonna be other stuff, right? Cause if it's Sean, if you let him go, that's what you're go.

[Filippo]

I don't even think there's an Alfa Romeo in the first few episodes. Wow.

[Kenan]

Well, there will be one eventually. But yes, I am excited.

[Doug]

It is good stuff. It's gonna be legitimately, wonderfully, excitingly good. I am tre excited about it. Sean has always. Sean's going to talk about this more next week on the pod. But Sean has always had all these great car content ideas. He's finally in a place to be able to do some of them, along with a fantastic team that we have. And go subscribe to this channel and check out our content. It is good. Beep.

[Filippo]

Find it in the description below and go watch the first video.

[Doug]

We're going to pin a comment. Let's pin a comment. From now on, we're going to pin a comment saying, go subscribe to Key. Until you do, I'll be watching you, you, the police, and Sting.

[Filippo]

Ooh.

[Doug]

Okay. Key. Key is big news. The other big news of the week, almost as big as Key, but not as big as Key is the FILA is dead. So what happened to that PR person we were talking about last week?

[Filippo]

Yeah, you gotta assume that they're also dead. No, obviously not. But I assume that they may no longer drop. We talked last week about this being likely. So Honda has stopped pretty much all of their EV initiatives. Sony Honda Mobility is no more. Sony Honda Mobility announced that they're going to. They've decided to discontinue the development and launch of its first model and its second model collectively, all models. The models. It comes following discussions between its parent companies, the Sony Group Corporation and Honda Motor Company. They are throwing Honda massively under the bus in this entire statement for good reason.

[Doug]

Well, Honda's the one who makes cars, so without Honda, they can't make cars. Okay. I want to posit something. I have a question for you, Filippo.

[Filippo]

Ken.

[Doug]

And you can take this one, too. They get the fellow in the office, the White House there. The Trump fella.

[Filippo]

Yeah. The President of the United States. Yeah.

[Doug]

President of the United States. The Trump gang. And things could be better, right? You can't get to an airport. You got Iran, you got the oil crisis forming.

[Kenan]

All lies. I get to airports all the time.

[Filippo]

Pretty good.

[Doug]

Just say there's a possibility that the libs get their act together and find a decent candidate, which is admittedly, we'll see. But let's say that happens. And the Trump fella's gone.

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[Doug]

Do you think that these companies that are turning their. And even right now, gas prices are shooting up. Do you think that these companies that are turning their backs on EVs may. It's either soon with the Iran situation or sort of soon with maybe a new presidential administration. Do you think they might regret not developing EVs further?

[Filippo]

Yeah, I think they will. I mean, to be clear, Sony, Honda Mobility, there were some concerns about their future. Regardless, had they produced the Fila one or the Filo two or the other models. I'm not sure that was ever viable. But I think that stopping that development will be really problematic. I think it will also. I mean, Honda's doing this. Every American automaker is also kind of taking the same path. And I think that we will see them regret that in the near future.

[Doug]

Now, do you think that Sony will regret that they can't be in the car business?

[Filippo]

Yeah, they'll keep making screens. They make technology. I want to legitimately read this because it's quite depressed. I'm going to read just one line.

[Doug]

Well, it was written by someone who loves it.

[Kenan]

Please illegitimately read that to us.

[Doug]

Yeah.

[Filippo]

However, as a result of Honda's reassessment of his automobile electrification Strategy announced on March 12, Sony Honda Mobility will no longer be able to utilize certain technologies and assets that were originally planned to be provided by Honda. It does not have a. Have a viable path forward.

[Doug]

Well, yeah, no one's surprised. Afila's done.

[Filippo]

To be fair, it didn't have a viable path forward with Honda's technology.

[Doug]

So we've been laughing about AFEELA since they announced pricing, since they announced models. Like, if you. I'm going to tell you something. If you want to be successful as an EV automaker, this ain't it.

[Filippo]

No, it was very technology heavy.

[Doug]

This ain't it. It ain't happening. This is not the car.

[Filippo]

Okay. The good news is that Sony Honda Mobility will continue discussions with Sony and Honda regarding future business plans.

[Kenan]

It is so interesting because, like, Apple for a long time had considered making a car, but decided no.

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[Kenan]

Which I think was kind of.

[Filippo]

It was.

[Kenan]

And they lost. They had invested a lot of RNG and decided to do it. Sony decides to go out and do this and fails miserably at it before it even starts, before it even becomes something.

[Filippo]

There is.

[Kenan]

It is not easy to develop a car. I think a lot of tech companies look at it. Oh, it's a skateboard.

[Doug]

That fellow from South Africa did it, though.

[Kenan]

That fellow from South Africa did do it. He started with a Lotus, but also

[Doug]

the guy from Florida who we talked to on this very podcast that day that it was hot. Okay. Yeah, he did it. What about that? And the Saudis are doing it today with lucid.

[Filippo]

It is I sort of. It's interesting to see the Japanese automakers kind of not really innovate in this space in a meaningful way.

[Doug]

It's interesting.

[Kenan]

It is interesting.

[Doug]

The Japanese are like, we don't need EVs.

[Filippo]

Yeah. Meanwhile, Nissan really excelling Honda now has had. Has had multiple quarters of quite poor results.

[Doug]

Yesterday I came up to an intersection, I came to a stop sign and a fellow in an Ariya got there after me and.

[Filippo]

But he discontinued.

[Doug]

Slammed his brakes. Get to the stop sign, floored it through the intersection. He turned without his turn signal. I was like, you know what? Guy's got an aria. I'm gonna let him do his thing. You know what I mean?

[Filippo]

Discontinued though. So he's.

[Doug]

That's kind of was my thinking. It's like if you're at the point in your life where you got an Ariya, you got. You know what, you drive it like that. Sir, you need that. I'm giving you that.

[Filippo]

I do wonder. There are a lot of one year only evs though. The Fila never made it to one year. But there are a lot. And you got to kind of wonder if these will become desirable later in life.

[Doug]

They will not ever become desirable. But you do wonder about support. Like there are definitely people who bought some of these EVs assuming that like especially retired people who are assuming this is going to be maybe their last car that like it was. They were sold reliability and their. Their mileage use case has gone down and all that. And so they ended up getting themselves into stuff like BZ4X. Although that technically hasn't been canceled yet.

[Filippo]

It's a BZ now.

[Doug]

Right. Or a prologue or. Which is zdx.

[Filippo]

Indeed canceled and problematic because it's not a Honda product. Really.

[Doug]

Yeah.

[Filippo]

So poor dealers are going to have to support a two year product.

[Doug]

Yeah. Right. Forever with GM architecture. And that's. Try explaining that to some old person who bought one. You actually have to take this down the street to John Smith's Chevy. What? I bought a Honda because it was reliable.

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[Doug]

That's going to be a weird situation. Anyway, good luck to that. No surprise about a Fila. Literally zero. I would have called this the day that it was first announced. In fact, you first told me about it on this very podcast. We could go back and watch the clip, but I have a suspicion I wasn't particularly supportive.

[Filippo]

No. It talked to you though or something?

[Doug]

Dude, if it looks like that it did. It could whisper you sweet nothings.

[Filippo]

They ran a lot of ads that tried to connect Sony cameras to the. It was.

[Kenan]

You know, it just doesn't.

[Doug]

I have a Sony camera. Now that I think about it, I have a Sony camera.

[Filippo]

Oh, so you're a fan of Sony hot fob now?

[Kenan]

Actually, all the cameras that's being filmed right now, all of those are Sony cameras.

[Doug]

Oh, my God. This company we love.

[Kenan]

We love the cameras. Stick to the cameras.

[Doug]

We don't realize how integrated they are into our lives. It's like when Circuit City tried to make a car dealership.

[Filippo]

Right. As High School Musical taught us, you should stick to the stuff, you know.

[Doug]

Okay, let's move on to the next news story, which is the new Corvette Grand Sport. Surely this must be an exciting moment for Filippo, the resident Corvette enthusiast. Yeah, it is.

[Filippo]

We talked a few weeks ago. There was a spy shot on, like, a pullout on Angeles Crest or something like that of a Grand Sport. And indeed, the Grand Sport is coming. They announced it at Sebring. More details will come between the time you're watching this and the time we're filming, like, theoretically, more details are being announced tomorrow.

[Doug]

Yesterday.

[Filippo]

Yesterday.

[Doug]

For you, you know more than we do. How does it feel to live in the future?

[Filippo]

And therefore we don't have much to say.

[Doug]

No. But we do know that it has little red stripes on one corner. Like other Grand Sports have blue.

[Filippo]

It's got the white one.

[Doug]

We do know also that they have continued to tamp down rumors of a manual transmission.

[Filippo]

They have said very clearly that there is not a manual coming. There were rumors of it because a supplier had made a manual that could theoretically fit with the engine. But the chief engineer for Corvettes had made very clear that is not coming for them.

[Doug]

Now, the Tremec did make the. Is supposedly making a transmission for swaps that's coming in two years. Yeah. It'll be an interesting swap because of the center console design.

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[Kenan]

How do you make that work?

[Filippo]

Okay. I will say it's quite an interesting quote. So Tony Roma is the Corvette engineer. Is the chief Corvette engineer. Right. And his quote says, tremex showed something at SEMA last year that I wish they wouldn't have shown. It's not real. So it's rare for an automaker to throw their largest, one of their larger suppliers under the bus. Maybe it doesn't actually exist. Maybe it's not direction ready.

[Doug]

I think Chevy is probably perpetually a little bit disappointed by the persistent rumor that there's going to be a manual transmission in this car. Possibly because a manual transmission would really be a really strong asset to this car, this is a fantastic car. One of the best sports cars on the market. It'd be cool if it had three pedals.

[Kenan]

I couldn't agree with you more. Mid engine, V8, manual. I mean, that is especially because GM

[Doug]

is so committed to manuals and other performance cars. Camaro had one right up until the end. The Black Wings got one. The both four and five.

[Kenan]

And their take rates must have been pretty decent on those, I would think. Like people really.

[Filippo]

Apparently late C7 manual take rate was absolutely low.

[Doug]

Well, do you mean abysmal?

[Filippo]

I know I said it very poorly.

[Doug]

I said it wrong.

[Kenan]

English is the second language, don't forget low.

[Filippo]

Excuse me, but very low. And that's part of the reason.

[Kenan]

Sure, but the market, I mean, the demand for it's there. Like, I would also argue.

[Doug]

This is an argument that I would provide to Tony Roma and one of his restaurants. I would say, look, I would say, look, I would say, I totally agree that the C7 demand for manuals was low, but the C8 is reaching a totally different kind of buyer. It's a. It's a. I presume it's a younger buyer. There is more youth interest in this car than I've ever seen before. It is much more a performance car buyer who actually probably wants to exploit the capabilities of the vehicle as opposed to some of the C7 owners that we know.

[Filippo]

They would argue is faster, totally, but

[Doug]

who want to enjoy, etc. I mean, you look at Porsche, you see what's going on there. Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised.

[Filippo]

Two manual models.

[Doug]

Yeah. But GT3s, it's like all anybody wants. It's. It's a distinction between whether the car is successful in the used market or not. I mean, the real enthusiasts are going out. They're selling for 20, 30% more on the secondary market. Not that I'm saying that would happen to C8, but there's certainly demand, especially for C8 relative to C7. I totally understand. C7 take rate was low. I think that was more of the boomer Jean Short kind of buyer. I think the C8 buyers are a little bit different.

[Kenan]

Well, it doesn't have to be offered with every model, like a manual Z06. Like, I think we can all get behind that. That would be a pretty.

[Doug]

I would even be into a manual Grand Sport. Presuming the Grand Sport is like other Z06s, which is. Or other previous Corvettes, which is that it has some of the Z06 upgrades, not the powertrain. That would be a pretty Cool car.

[Filippo]

By the way, there's Taco. For the first time, there being two grand sport models, there are rumors that there'll be a grand sport X which is the E Ray rebranded as a grand sport X.

[Doug]

Hey, anything they can do to justify the investment in the E Ray. Pull up the C4 Grand Sport. I want to talk about this for a second. Do you? Yeah.

[Filippo]

I've never loved the C4 Grand Sport.

[Doug]

The C4 Grand Sport is my all time favorite Corvette. We sold in grand.

[Kenan]

Sorry, I didn't grand.

[Filippo]

It's not an.

[Doug]

He's not a giant Corvette enthusiast.

[Filippo]

He's a Maserati grand.

[Doug]

This is my all time favorite Corvette. I love this car more than the C4.01. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Really? C4 Grand Sport is the coolest looking Corvette of all time. It came at the very final model year of C4. It just balled out. Ooh.

[Kenan]

355.

[Doug]

I love the C4 Grand Sport and it's still to this day, occasionally think about picking one up and you know, we got this WS6 bird in the office. Makes me want one of these even more. I want to get into some late 90s, early 2000s America. Let's go.

[Kenan]

Doug is ready for his jean shorts era.

[Doug]

Pull up the interior. This was not a jean shorts car. This is for connoisseurs for real adults. Look at this red interior.

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[Doug]

You had this interior back in 96. You were somebody.

[Filippo]

Can you go back to the photo of the 355? Can we just agree that anybody that's actually buying a 355 should just buy a C4 Grand Sport?

[Doug]

Yeah, especially because it's a roofy lifter. Yoffie. No.

[Filippo]

Right.

[Doug]

Okay, move on to the next news story, please.

[Kenan]

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[Filippo]

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[Doug]

Get started today, which is the C4 Grand. Oh, Lamborghini. Okay, Road and Track is reporting Road and Track Famous magazine, or possibly they're not a magazine anymore. They're reporting that the fellow who runs the Lamborghini there. Stefan Winkleman. Yes, or Stefan if you want to

[Kenan]

call best dress CEO in the world.

[Doug]

He's the Road and Track was talking to him at the 12 Hours of Sebring and he said that they're continuing to work on EVs. They're not sure and blah blah blah. But what we're missing is a grand Touring car. A two door, two plus two. Now this surprises me because Ferrari has had this in their lineup for decades and it has never been successful ever. It's always been the car that they make you buy. If you want to get a nicer

[Kenan]

car, it's one of them. You got to get a Roma and you got to get that. They've added more to the line, but

[Doug]

back in the day it was the one like if you bought a 612, they would have a conversation with you about some high performance. Something else.

[Filippo]

Yes.

[Kenan]

And everybody loves to say that was the car that old man Ferrari loved himself. Two plus twos like that.

[Doug]

Was it Enzo? The last shot of Enzo driving a car, he's in a 412 or is it a Peugeot? Anyway, the point is. A point is that Lambo says they're missing this. Aren't you astonished to hear this?

[Kenan]

Yeah, because realistically, two door, two plus two. Right. What I feel that like you know, covers the two plus two thing for them is the Urus like that is like that.

[Filippo]

And they sell gazette suv. Yeah.

[Kenan]

But they sell because that's what the market wants.

[Doug]

That's what the market wants. Who's looking for two door two plus twos anymore? Who is there anyone out there in the world? You know, whenever we say these hypotheticals and people get in the comments like actually I'm looking for a $13,000 two wheeled pickup truck. I bet you no one's going to get in these comments and be like, yeah, I want a $380,000 two door, four seat Lamborghini.

[Filippo]

That's every 911.

[Doug]

Yeah, basically. Yeah.

[Kenan]

Because those people are cross shopping with Lamborghinis.

[Doug]

Is Lamborghini going to hop in at the $90,000 price point?

[Filippo]

New 911 is 125.

[Doug]

Okay. Are they going to hop in at the 125 price point?

[Kenan]

No. 200 something thousand dollars car.

[Filippo]

They also said in that same interview that they've ruled out a sedan and a small suv.

[Kenan]

Well, that makes sense, you know. Well, you remember the sedan, the estoke. Remember that?

[Doug]

Pull it up. I still have to this day have a hot wheels of it. My kids play it all the time. It's incredible.

[Filippo]

You know this car, the stoke.

[Doug]

Yeah, yeah. This could have happened. And then Filippo screwed it all.

[Filippo]

I went into their headquarters and said, do not build this.

[Kenan]

You did. But that I think that is so cool.

[Doug]

Yeah.

[Kenan]

Because that was event just before Aventador.

[Doug]

So got all that had the front end. Honestly, the Lambo design, like so many of these cars, the design language translates so much better to a four door sedan than it did to an SUV. Yeah. The Urus was. Has still after 10 years, never been attractive. This car looked cool still.

[Kenan]

Look at that flare that comes out of the rear door for the Lambo

[Doug]

did it right though. By not making this car they probably got close. I mean this looks pretty production.

[Kenan]

Yeah.

[Doug]

In the end they were like.

[Filippo]

They were right not to. I mean it wouldn't have been.

[Doug]

It was the wrong time. It was the recession. And then a couple years go by after the recession, the market starts changing for SUVs. And then they think about it, really, the recession.

[Kenan]

That looks so far ahead of its time.

[Doug]

I feel like it was 08.

[Kenan]

I think you're correct.

[Filippo]

But like that is far ahead of its time.

[Kenan]

I mean. Yeah, because these headlights kind of ended up on the Huracan, which was much later than 08. But very interesting. Very interesting nonetheless. I agree. This is a wild thing that they feel this is what they're missing.

[Filippo]

I kind of get it. I mean, they have a small two seat, two door car. They have a larger one, the Temario. They have the larger one. They're a welto. What can you add? You already have an suv. Well, you add something that's maybe a

[Doug]

little bit off road. SUV, it wouldn't be a 2 plus 2. No one's buying that. Name a car, that's where that's successful anymore. Mercedes. Okay, but 125 grand or, or 250 for a turbo.

[Filippo]

Right. You're not that far.

[Doug]

But that's the Huracan or whatever it's called now. The John Tamari.

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[Doug]

If they're thinking about. It's interesting. If they're thinking about a 2 plus 2 as a Ferrari California competitor, that's a different conversation. I would.

[Filippo]

California called. Now it's not the Portofino, the Roma,

[Kenan]

the Roma Spider, and then there's the. The Amalfi.

[Filippo]

Amalfi. That's what it's called now. They keep moving to different coasts.

[Doug]

I mean, if they're talking about that, that's interesting. It's a different market from the angled Lamborghini design.

[Filippo]

That's true. Yeah.

[Doug]

Into the Roma, which is like a relaxed kind of old guy in Newport beach kind of car interested to see. Hey, pull up the Lamborghini Portofino, if you will.

[Filippo]

I'm so sorry, what?

[Doug]

The Lamborghini Portofino. I got a trivia question for you on this one. One, the Lamborghini, if it's not Portofino. Pull up the. Pull up the picture of this.

[Filippo]

Wow.

[Doug]

Why?

[Filippo]

You see the Lamborghini Portofino, Filippo, what

[Doug]

car do you see in that?

[Filippo]

I see a lot of dodging.

[Doug]

Dodge and trepping. You know, Chrysler and Lamborghini were best pals at this era. Then one lone, the other who knows who. And they. This is a Lambo concept car. And they took the Lambo concept and they made a Dodge and trip.

[Kenan]

It had dual scissor doors.

[Doug]

It had dual scissor doors. Yeah, yeah.

[Kenan]

That's nuts.

[Doug]

Can you imagine? That must have worked terribly. How could that makes any sense?

[Kenan]

You know, it does make sense for ingress and ingress to a degree.

[Doug]

Both those completely get out of the way. That Koenigsegg I drove was like, oh, no, it had one giant one.

[Kenan]

But imagine having to close this.

[Doug]

What do you.

[Kenan]

You go like.

[Doug]

Well, it's the same, especially because they must hinge on each other. So does that mean you have to

[Filippo]

close them at the same time you close the back?

[Kenan]

Well, that's a good point.

[Doug]

Or they'd latch on each other, obviously. Maybe they latch on the bottom somehow, which probably isn't allowed.

[Kenan]

Not structurally so good, but yeah, that

[Doug]

was the Lamborghini Portofino, which became the Dodge Intrepid. Think about that.

[Filippo]

Boy, will I, man. Nothing else to think about.

[Doug]

Next news story, please.

[Kenan]

Ah, yes. On the topic of manual transmissions, Porsche, as we know, selling lots of transition.

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[Kenan]

Recently a patent had come out. Now, this isn't a new patent. This was actually submitted in 2024, but this is the first time that we're hearing about it. You remember the Koenigsegg ESS transmission, where you'd have an automatic and a manual at the same time?

[Doug]

Yeah, I remember they talked about it. Is that real?

[Kenan]

That's real. Now, Porsche also believes that you can do this and they filed a pat. So the idea is that you have a lever that you can select automatic mode like anything else, or you can put it into manual mode and have a traditional H pattern. Now, it's not actually connected to the transmission. This is a totally separate unit that would be shift by wire, which I'm sure Porsche purists will be very upset about, which I kind of understand. But nonetheless, like they're looking at this, you have to imagine, because they're thinking for EVs, this could be something that they're going to offer.

[Doug]

I'm going to give you some bad news here. This is an EV transmission.

[Kenan]

I agree with that. That was my analysis of that. However, I think it would be kind of co. Still be able shift gears in an EV.

[Doug]

Totally.

[Kenan]

Because if there's anything that the Ionic 5N proved to you and I, it's that shifting it that way feels pretty organic and really cool. And even if we're. We're forced to have evs one day, if we can still row our own and they build the parameters where it can feel like a manual and engaging.

[Filippo]

Agreed.

[Kenan]

I think that's kind of. That's pretty cool technology.

[Filippo]

Cool.

[Doug]

Totally.

[Kenan]

So I'm really curious to see if this comes to fruition. I mean, just because it's a patent does not mean they're going to make it. But I suspect we're going to see this in Porsche EVs in the future.

[Doug]

It makes sense in EVs. Porsche has already hinted a few times that the Hyundai N shifting thing is something that they're interested in, they're looking into, etc. This has been talked about. It would make sense for Porsche, for whom people love the physical act of shifting so much. Not just the paddles and the sounds, the physical thing to develop, to be the ones who develop a manual for that purpose.

[Kenan]

I agree. And of course with the ev, Cayman and Boxster, it's like this seems like a very natural thing to integrate into that and will upset us a lot less. So we'll see.

[Filippo]

Maybe it depends on how well it's done. Apparently they would use electric motors and springs to give the shifter feedback and have faces of the engine.

[Kenan]

If any company can be trusted to judge that correctly, it is Porsche. Porsche and Honda make the best shifters in the business.

[Doug]

Totally. Although I do wonder about the early integrations of this I suspect will be interesting and maybe look back like they have with SMT and its weird quirks. I wouldn't be surprised if this is looked back on someday as like, huh, that was a weird maybe.

[Kenan]

But maybe it will be the beginning of something that flourishes into something else. Who knows, but we'll find out. I just love that unlike gm, Corvette understands they need to be offering manual transmissions in their sports cars.

[Doug]

Yeah, there you go. They're looking at a manual automatic.

[Filippo]

I know. I've always loved this idea conceptually. Think about it. Do you remember the young child Mr.

[Doug]

2 with the SMT?

[Filippo]

I don't.

[Doug]

What car was it that had a pattern but no clutch? That was a Saab.

[Filippo]

There was a Saab, but there's also some Citroens that also had that same concept.

[Kenan]

Yeah, don't forget the Ferrari Vallejo.

[Doug]

That's right. The Valo Ferraris, of course had Porsche

[Kenan]

did that also Porsche had Sport O Matic Sport. Doesn't that not have a clutch? I don't think that it didn't have a clutch.

[Doug]

But was it a pattern anyway?

[Filippo]

There were a few. Yeah, that works even more.

[Doug]

The Ferrari Vallejo. The F40 Vallejo.

[Kenan]

The F40 vallejo built for the Agnelli family. Just one of them.

[Doug]

But I, I what's the F40 we want?

[Filippo]

Right?

[Kenan]

That's right. The autom.

[Doug]

The only automatic 40.

[Kenan]

Wonder where that car is.

[Doug]

Probably worth 5x what a manual wants. Gianni Agnelli's personal car. In the later years. He's taking all his mistresses in it.

[Kenan]

Yeah. Just imagine watching him try to get into that car toward the end would have been really rough. And then he puts it in, you know, he just shifts the bay at the side. Very impressive.

[Filippo]

It's a lot of technology for him. Yeah.

[Kenan]

But nonetheless very cool.

[Doug]

Yeah.

[Kenan]

On the next news story.

[Doug]

This is a big one, folks. The Nissan Z has been given a minor facelift and Filippo insisted we talk about it.

[Filippo]

Yeah, it is a minor facelift, but it is a facelift. And also crucially, there's a new paint color which is unreal green.

[Doug]

Oh, it is unreal. No one's gonna buy it. That's why it's unreal.

[Filippo]

Unreal, unreal. I don't know. I don't speak English. Good. But much, much more importantly, the Nismo Z will have a manual transmission.

[Doug]

The Nismo Z is finally getting a manual, which I should have had from day one. It's too little too late though, because.

[Kenan]

Is it? Yes.

[Doug]

Yeah. Dude, no one's buying this car. This is the end of the Z. Do you have any epilogue you want to give to the Z? A eulogy perhaps, or maybe an Unuru, as you say?

[Filippo]

No, no, no eulogy. I've never really felt that strong about the car. But I am excited that the Nismo, which by all accounts drives quite well, will have a manual and be a little more engaging in 03.

[Doug]

When I was a 15 year old and the Z came out, changed the world.

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[Doug]

It was the coolest car on the planet and the G35 was the coolest other car on the planet. And this is like kind of a whimper. And you wonder if maybe Nissan should have put some money towards succeeding instead.

[Filippo]

Well, you know, a couple years ago, it's kind of exciting that they did anything with it. I know that they reused the same 370Z chassis and a lot of the same components to make the Z no number this time. A little bit more upgraded and it looks great. It's a good looking car. Don't see many of them. Maybe we'll see like two or three of these.

[Doug]

Yeah.

[Kenan]

I'm sad because I believe that it is a wonderful car. You've driven it. I mean, it's a very competent car. Yeah. And it is just so such a shame that it was too little too late with this thing.

[Doug]

I mean, it's so cool. I suspect it will in the end, make money. Ultimately, they were using the platform of the old car and a lot of the technology in the old car.

[Filippo]

Camera of the old car.

[Doug]

But you that that trick can only be used for so long, and it does kind of show where we are with sports.

[Filippo]

I mean, that's pretty clear then, right? Like, you do one cycle facelift, you let it run for another.

[Doug]

The fact that they didn't even bother with a convertible also kind of gives you an idea of how they feel. The success is gone. All the previous. Many of the previous Z have had convertibles. But good new wheels, new wheels, new. You can get unreal green, as Leo calls it.

[Kenan]

I don't know if you've noticed, it's very hard to see in the picture, but the tires actually say Nissan on them. You can't really see if it says Nissan.

[Doug]

How about that for me?

[Kenan]

I don't know if that's something that they're actually partnering with or that's just Photoshop, I imagine. That is just Photoshop.

[Filippo]

There's also a tan interior.

[Doug]

Color green.

[Kenan]

Tan.

[Filippo]

That is the color.

[Doug]

You know, many years ago, I was at the Porsche museum there, and there's a Porsche with Porsche crests in the tires. Oh, and it also has the top. It's a zipper.

[Filippo]

Ooh.

[Doug]

It's called the Panamerica. You want to look it up?

[Kenan]

No, not. Not really, but sure.

[Doug]

Panamericana. I'm sorry. Panamericana. Okay, now you're thinking to my. You're thinking to yourself, there's no way this car has Porsche crest on the tires. And the top is a zipper. That's what you're thinking.

[Filippo]

Right?

[Doug]

Right.

[Filippo]

Huh?

[Kenan]

Oh, this thing. Yeah. Wow.

[Doug]

There's the. The tires. Zoom on in. You can see the Porsche crest. My back tire.

[Filippo]

Man, what a car.

[Doug]

All right. And then you go to this. Go to the. You can see the roof. That purple is one giant zipper. And you can unzip it.

[Filippo]

So cool.

[Doug]

Yeah. I saw this once there at the museum.

[Filippo]

Aren't you sad they didn't make it?

[Doug]

I thought to myself, boy, this company's had some terrible ideas over the years. It's probably really light. It's wonder that this company still exists in any capacity. Look at it from the rear three quarters. That's the ugliest thing I've ever seen in my life. No, I've looks like it got hit.

[Kenan]

Hit.

[Doug]

It's somewhere between a 9, 93 probably it got hit because it lost traction due to the fact that the tires are Porsche crests.

[Filippo]

Also, those are some. Some wide Tires.

[Doug]

Well, they're narrow.

[Kenan]

Well, it has no body weight. Of course they look cool, but the.

[Filippo]

The top is very light, so that's.

[Doug]

Yeah, yeah. Right up until your zipper gets some stuff in it and then you can never use it.

[Kenan]

Exactly.

[Doug]

Like a yj.

[Kenan]

You have to take it to the zipper guy. He's a zipper guy.

[Doug]

All right, that's. I don't know why that came up, but I owe the tires. Love, Por.

[Filippo]

Yeah, sure. Good reason, if any. All right, quick recommendation for your next drive. And I mean this genuinely. This up our alley. There's a podcast called Drive with Jim Farley. Yes, the Ford CEO Jim Farley. And look, how often do you actually get this kind of unfiltered access to someone running one of the biggest car companies in the world? The podcast is him sitting down with fascinating people talking about cars and what actually drives them to succeed. Dan Ricardo is on it. Sir Chris Hoy, the Olympic cycling legend turned racing driver is on it. The guests alone are worth it. I checked out a few episodes and it's the kind of car conversation that doesn't feel like a press junket. It's genuine. It goes deep. And coming from someone with Jim Farley's seat at the table, the perspective is pretty unique. It's exactly what you want. Queued up for a long highway stretch to listen to Drive With Jim Farley, Just search for Drive with Jim Farley in your podcast app. That's Drive with Jim Farley.

[Kenan]

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[Doug]

Next story, please. Oh, something. Filippo.

[Filippo]

Yeah. We spoke last week about how a new Mercedes minivan is coming to America and was Just revealed which is the vle. We've now gotten confirmation that there'll be a Maybach VLE or the Maybach vls.

[Kenan]

Actually.

[Filippo]

Actually.

[Kenan]

Wow.

[Filippo]

It'll be larger than the vle, obviously. You know, vle vls. Maybe it'll be a VLC someday vg. But it will be. All we know is that it will be a purpose built VIP shuttle and we think that it will have a lot of screens. Well, that. And we can move on to the next news story.

[Doug]

It's very compelling. Wow. How exciting. A purpose built VIP shuttle. I mean you don't have to build one yourself.

[Filippo]

A lot of people have converted the metric into like a Maybach metric. You reviewed one? Yeah. Now Maybach will make a large.

[Doug]

Their own van which looks better and it's going to be better. A Maybach van. This is, this is going to be. It's $200,000 is the number that's being bandied about. Sure, yeah. Pretty big. But it's a purpose built VIP shuttle. And most importantly, I can't wait to review one because that video is going to blow up Sean that month. Sean's going to be like, yeah, we hit the numbers. Yeah.

[Filippo]

And also about two years after it comes now you can buy for 55,000.

[Doug]

Yeah. But can you imagine, Filippo, all this stuff. There's going to be.

[Filippo]

I know there's going to be wild

[Doug]

fish tank in this. There better be.

[Filippo]

And it'll have 100 miles range.

[Kenan]

Do you think they would ever do an AMG version of it and give us the R63 back in our lives?

[Doug]

Wow.

[Filippo]

Wow. I bet they could. They will make a VLS. A Mercedes Maybach VLS with EQ technology. AMG.

[Kenan]

Perfect.

[Filippo]

Some combination of those words.

[Kenan]

Right. Only 75 characters for the name.

[Doug]

You don't think this is pure electricity electric? Of course it is.

[Filippo]

They still call it with EQ technology, won't they?

[Doug]

No VLS with EQ technology.

[Filippo]

No, no. Because the, the, the, the electric. Pure electrics that don't share body plastic.

[Doug]

I'm wondering if it isn't gonna. Is, is the van fully electric? Do we know these vans like the ID Buzz?

[Filippo]

The. The VLE has been revealed as fully electric. The VLS is technically different model. So we don't know.

[Doug]

Man. You know what I hope they have. I hope they have cobblestone flooring ring.

[Filippo]

I bet they will.

[Doug]

That's. That was. There was a. I believe it was a Cadillac that had that at one point.

[Filippo]

Yeah, famously.

[Kenan]

It was a rare option. Only ones come to market with it

[Doug]

be nice to see that here in the van. Next news story, please.

[Filippo]

All right, Jerry McGovern.

[Doug]

Jerry McGovern, he formerly of Jaguar, Jaguar Land Rover. This is short. Sure you are not giving enough credit.

[Filippo]

He designed the Defender, he designed the new Range Rovers, he's done it all.

[Doug]

He designed the new defender. Jerry McGovern did a lot of stuff and he's, he's, he's just announced that he's leaving Jaguar Land Rover. We reported about six months ago that he had been fired and then like two weeks later they were like, oh, no, he wasn't fired. No, no, wrong, sorry. Well, now he's finally decided he's retiring. He's 70 years old, he's going to move on to his own.

[Filippo]

He's starting his own consultants.

[Doug]

What all car designers do when they retire from car designing, they're going to do a consultancy where they do a little bit of work designing the finishing touches of bread makers.

[Filippo]

For a lot of money.

[Doug]

For a lot of money works out. And Jerry McGovern and he's designed some of the all time great vehicles including, and this is what it says on his Wikipedia, he was the lead designer of the critically acclaimed Land Rover Freelander.

[Filippo]

That was a good looking car.

[Doug]

Folks, we're losing this great mind to designing bread makers. This is, this is. Oh, if we sold the Freelander, we have, of course. How lovely Jerry looking car. Very McGovern. That orange reflector. Same as my Ford GT.

[Filippo]

I remember when these came out and they were great looking cars.

[Doug]

I love the Freelander, you know. That's true. They were actually good looking. The era that's popular, it's funny how

[Filippo]

they all disappeared has not aged well. They all disappeared because they were notoriously

[Doug]

unreliable, unreal, horrible cars. Absolutely horrible cars. In fact, if you bought this one, one.

[Filippo]

I'm sorry, I, I, I had a friend in Italy whose mom had a freelancer. When they came out they were rich, obviously.

[Doug]

I remember in Philly there was one in a consulate with Italian console plates and it was a manual diesel.

[Filippo]

That's right, those days. By the way, there are a couple of other pieces of Jaguar news out this week. Oh yeah. Ian Callum, who was a design director from 1999 to 2019.

[Doug]

Yes.

[Filippo]

And a famous person revealed that they had designs for the a new X, a new xj, a redesigned F type and a redesigned F Pace that were ready. I don't know if they were ready engine from an engineering perspective, but they were ready and like they were going to move forward and then at the end they scrapped them all for the Type 00 concept.

[Doug]

Now, I want to be deferential to Ian Callum because the man designed one of the all time great vehicles ever, the Volvo C70.

[Filippo]

Which gen?

[Doug]

The good one.

[Kenan]

Yeah, but I mean, yeah, he does quite a few good cars. V8 Vantage.

[Doug]

Yeah, they were like. It was Peter Horbury. No, both of them. Regardless, Ian Callum did the DB7 too, which we have to give the man his credit. That is the finest $18,000 car you can purchase.

[Kenan]

Are they that much?

[Doug]

But no, he did the F Type, which I think actually was a true contribution to modern car design and a bunch of other beautiful cars. Those cars wouldn't have sold. So, like, it's great that they. It's great that they came up with. Everybody's so upset with Jaguar for going in this new direction. They were fake failing. A new XF wasn't going to be it. If they had come up with a new xf, it wouldn't have been like the savior of the company. It wouldn't be sitting here being like, Jaguar's good now. They redesigned the xf.

[Filippo]

Yep. Good looking car, though.

[Doug]

Yeah, it was good looking. They sold six of them.

[Filippo]

You know, it was also a good looking car, the E Pace, but nobody's ever seen one.

[Doug]

No, the E Pace was not a good looking car. You don't like these stubby little thing. Ian Callum didn't touch that, I promise you. Regardless, Jeff, Jaguar, Jaguar, we'll see how that all shakes down again. Been more than a year, we're still waiting for their new product onslaught to come. I have a suspicion we'll be waiting for a long time. In the meanwhile, Land Rover dealerships are still rocking. They still have good products such as the Discovery Sport and the Evoque.

[Filippo]

Sorry, the Velar.

[Doug]

Velar, which is still. The Velar and the Evoque have been forgotten about. Land Rover has forgotten that they produced them, but I'm here to tell you that they do.

[Filippo]

There is still a new Evoque. Right? You can. Loud.

[Doug]

Yeah. Okay, next news story, please.

[Kenan]

Ah, Mercedes Benz. For those of you who truly know us, we're not actually a Porsche podcast. We are a Mercedes Benz podcast. Owner. Owner. Former owner. We have a. We love Mercedes Benz. They have announced that. You remember this came out last year, they announced that they were doing a concept AMG GT Track Sport. Not track Leisure. Track sport.

[Doug]

Yes.

[Filippo]

All right.

[Kenan]

So now they have announced that they are going to do a black series, a new black series. We haven't had one since 2021, so. We're kind of due. And then they're going to do a homologation version of that. GT racing, specifically, which is really cool. Now, they've been talking about this for a while. We still don't have a lot of details on this. You should have read the press release. It was unbelievable. Very difficult to read.

[Doug]

Yeah, I had it pulled up. It was complicated.

[Filippo]

What was the 2021 Black series?

[Doug]

The AMG. Previous AMG GT Black. The Nurburgring lock. Yes. That is a serious car. It's a very serious car.

[Kenan]

It looks modified from the factory. It's insane.

[Doug]

Pull it up. That was a really desirable, cool, special car.

[Kenan]

We see him occasionally.

[Doug]

Yeah. Really huge win. Yeah. You don't remember this. So it set the Nurburgring production time. It may still stand, that thing.

[Filippo]

Oh, that was called the Black series, I thought it was called.

[Doug]

There were various versions of that AMG gt, but the top, top, top, top, top, top, toppy was the Black series.

[Kenan]

And it is wild. One of the craziest wings ever put on a road car until actually, until the new GT3Rs, to be honest with you. Look at that wing. That's crazy. But anyway, a new Black series is coming and I do think it's cool that they're going to all get it and go GT3 racing with it. Now they're testing the car. Currently, they've tested at the Nordschleife, tested at Portimount, a couple other European tracks. So they're getting closer. Development is certainly getting there. It's going to have a V8 engine, which is lovely to hear, but we do have a ways to go on this. They said the GT3 will be allegedly ready for the 2027 racing season. So we're close, but so some follow. You know, stay in the space. We'll certainly see more of these.

[Doug]

It gives a little credibility to the car. The previous Black series had serious cred because of the Nurburgring time. It was a cool car. But going racing gives credibility to the car.

[Kenan]

Oh, yeah.

[Doug]

Obviously, Mercedes Benz, for 20 years now has been looking at 911, thinking, how do we get in on that? And they've been trying and trying and trying and it's never really been successful. But this is one way to do it, is to go racing and then create a car based on the racing car. Obviously, Porsche does that with their GT3 and GT3Rs. Massive success financially and weight loss and

[Kenan]

reputationally, all homologation cars are cool. That you take for racing.

[Doug]

They're all GR Yaris.

[Kenan]

Yeah. Yes. That is a very cool.

[Doug]

Grr, Yaris. Grr. Yep.

[Kenan]

But this I'm excited about. I love seeing another black series come to the linear. So we'll see where this develops. But in the meantime, it's coming and they gave us some colors too.

[Doug]

Now I actually by the way, the new AMG GT is essentially an SL coupe. It's not the most desirable car. It's not as cool as the previous gen. However, I think it looks better and I do think that a GT version of the current AMG probably will look really cool. These spy shots give a preview of it and they look pretty cool in the spy shots they do. Hopefully they don't offer this color scheme.

[Filippo]

Maybe they should.

[Kenan]

You know what? Someone is going to recreate this in Miami. They're going to drive around looking like this. Totally. But, but. All right, next news story. So Rolls Royce has also announced something new. So they are introducing their coach build collection. Now, I don't know if you remember the sweet tail and the boat tail. Do you remember those at one off RollsRoyce.

[Doug]

I think about them all the time.

[Kenan]

So they are now offering something along those lines. They're being a little bit cagey about what it is, but they said they wanted to bring their clients closer and bring them behind the scenes to be close to the engineers and experience. I love this. They said extreme weather conditions in their cars. Exactly what every Rolls Royce owner once makes no sense. Like the press release on this is one of. One of the crazier ones I've read. But they said, they said they'll be welcome into the ateliers of master craftspeople from adjacent worlds within super luxury whose dedication to perfection mirrors that of Rolls Royce.

[Filippo]

Quite a quote.

[Doug]

AI Bay. Eons are the worst combination that has ever existed in corporate worlds.

[Kenan]

I couldn't agree with you. It was like just hard to read. But nonetheless, I do think it is cool that they're offering more atelier program now. I'm hoping what this means is they're going to do a lot more more. It's everything they said is going to be based on the electric. Like that's the.

[Filippo]

Which makes sense. They've said that they will be fully homologated and road legal throughout the world.

[Kenan]

And so starting with start with EV

[Filippo]

makes that so much easier.

[Kenan]

Exactly. But to do. I love the idea of going back and doing coach building like traditional one off. I mean that's.

[Doug]

Give me a Dario Francitti. Oh, Dario's got a. Dario knows this race car driver. He's got a Rolls Royce Wraith with a shooting brick Y. And let's do that. I'll take a Spectre shooting break and I'll pay up to 125,000.

[Filippo]

Tax that and you're maybe in the ballpark.

[Kenan]

I don't even think. I can only imagine what you're gonna do.

[Doug]

Dario paid 1.5.

[Filippo]

They've said that the Kogebil collection will only be offered to clients with a deep affinity for Rolls Royce design.

[Doug]

In other words, very rich.

[Kenan]

Very, very rich in comfortable.

[Doug]

In other words, anyone they can find who's willing to do it and has the money.

[Kenan]

Yeah, exactly.

[Doug]

That's a translation of that. If you needed to.

[Kenan]

Yeah, Deep, deep pockets, but nonetheless, very cool. And Rolls Royce as a brand makes a lot of sense to do this

[Filippo]

with, by the way. They also said that there'll be people that participate, will be able to join the engineers at top secret test facilities. What top secret test facilities do you think Rolls Royce has?

[Doug]

Top secret?

[Kenan]

Yeah, Top secret. What are they developing there? A new. A new. New ashtray?

[Doug]

Top secret.

[Kenan]

They're developing a new Neuralink.

[Doug]

God, what a press release. Rolls Royce really trying to get people into the whole. Whole thing. Yeah. The British have that mystique, though. All right, is that our last news story?

[Kenan]

That is the end of the news.

[Doug]

There is one more big news story. Filippo, say it.

[Filippo]

All right. After almost six years of. Six years, touching every single auction that comes on Carson, you touched them all.

[Doug]

You touched them all.

[Filippo]

You wrote many ducks takes.

[Kenan]

You, you.

[Filippo]

You edited many, many Doug's takes. The Doug's Take is going away.

[Doug]

We're getting rid of the Doug's Take this week. By the time you watch this, it won't be gone, but it's because starting

[Filippo]

Monday, the Doug's take.

[Doug]

We've been writing these Doug's Takes forever. So when the Doug's Take first came out in the auctions, I wrote a little blurb. Yeah, pull up the Daytona. I wrote a little blurb about every car that went live. And usually it was like, this car is cool.

[Kenan]

Hold on, let me find your first car, because I'll find the very first auction that we did.

[Doug]

And it was always like, oh, we got a little something going on. There it is the first auction. There's my first Doug's Take.

[Kenan]

They started out pretty tame.

[Filippo]

They started out just.

[Doug]

Often they were just a sentence or two. They were cheeky, they were fun, funny. But as we've grown and we're now selling like 50 cars a day, it's gotten to the point where it's not feasible to write anything meaningful. How many E39 M5s we sold? How many E46 M3s we sold? Where you talk about the S54 six cylinder and the handling prowess.

[Kenan]

I could say something different about every E39M5. We'll move on. I have. And he takes it all out.

[Doug]

But ultimately it just is not value additive anymore. Our community tells us they don't really read it anymore. They've become too generic. Eric. Because it's not really easy to add that much value. And so we're taking the Doug's takes out also the comments. The community has grown so much that the comments provide what the Dugs take was intended to provide in the first place. Which was like sort of this kind of personal. Interesting tidbit but the commenters know more about the individual cars than me. And so the Doug's take's going away.

[Kenan]

Will it appear on any like really special cars?

[Doug]

No. But I've decided I'm going to comment more because I want to still make sure that I see all the cars. I still want to look at all the auctions. It's very important to me. With 35,000 auction. Something like that.

[Filippo]

Yeah. Just about 36,000.

[Doug]

So you know it's still important to me. So I'm still going to like be there and I'm going to try to comment more and like really be a part of it. But I'm certainly not there was. It just got silly that I'm every 100 Series Land Cruiser. I'm talking about the combination of luxury and reliability and off road capabilities. It's just that it's not even believable. It's like silly.

[Filippo]

Fundamentally it's become a blocker to sellers.

[Doug]

Right.

[Filippo]

Like you do an incredibly good job of touching every single day but it

[Doug]

takes an extra day to have traveling. It takes. And so the cars are going to be able to go through the process probably about a day quicker on average. Since I don't have to. We don't have to wait for Doug anymore.

[Filippo]

And you get time back every single day to make better content. To make more content.

[Doug]

I actually bet in the end I won't get time back because I'm still going to just be perusing the listings to try to leave a little comment on the ones that I find the most interesting. But I think even that will be more appropriate for the purpose the Doug's take originally had. Like I'm actually saying something about the cars that are interesting. Saying interesting things about the cars. That are interesting. Rather than dropping on every car like, oh, it's finished in this cool color. As a clean carfax. It wasn't.

[Kenan]

It's offered with the thrill of no reserve.

[Doug]

That's right. That's right. It just got too generic. And I don't think anybody's going to mourn the loss of this. But we wanted to tell you about it.

[Kenan]

I've been. We've. It's. You've been doing this for six years and for five of us have been begging to get rid of the Doug's tank. I'm glad that it's. I'm glad that you will have some more freedom and you will still be involved with the cars. You're not going anywhere anywhere. So.

[Doug]

That's right.

[Kenan]

It's exciting.

[Doug]

Now we have a big talk cars segment today. But. But first I want to tell you. The talk car segment is brought to you by the Mega Track.

[Filippo]

I'm sorry, I'm familiar, but I'm sorry,

[Doug]

can it pull up the Mega Track, please? No, no, trust me. We've never sold one of these.

[Kenan]

I figured.

[Doug]

Okay, just Mega. Have you ever heard of this?

[Kenan]

No.

[Doug]

All right. The Mega Track. Track. This is part of my ck. No, no, Space Mega is actually the brand. The Mega Track. Pull up this picture. Yep, there's some picture. Oh, here, pull up this picture. Pull up the one. Yes, this. The Mega Track was an off road supercar that I believe was French. And they made maybe 10 12. And it's huge,

[Filippo]

to be fair. Why that other.

[Doug]

Why that car is there? Because I think it's another Mega, but

[Filippo]

it's like the small Mega, but it's lifted.

[Doug]

So that's nice.

[Kenan]

That's even worse than like the big Mini.

[Doug]

It had suspension set. I pull back out. There's other great photos. The Mega Track. Look at this. This photo here, the Mega Track is actually in the background. You don't realize it, but it's huge.

[Kenan]

What powered this thing?

[Doug]

I don't remember this one. This one here on plates from Vienna in Austria. Oh, there, there. That picture. That one is seen in Monaco sometimes. But that picture, you can see how big it is. It's an M120 thanks to an F40. It's like laughable. It's like truly embarrassing. It was supposed to be an off road supercar. Of course it wasn't successful at anything, including selling the Mega.

[Filippo]

How did you.

[Doug]

Where did this come from?

[Kenan]

You must have had some time to do some reading recently. There it is.

[Doug]

Monaco, the talk car segment today. There's the Mega Track next to a Yukon Denali. And look how big it looks.

[Kenan]

Well, that is.

[Doug]

These cars are both in Vienna. Look at this thing.

[Filippo]

Were those Audi or Porsche tail lights? Were Those from a 960 or from an Audi?

[Doug]

The Mega Track was developed, ground up by the finest connoisseurs.

[Filippo]

No, I mean by manufacturing corporation. That could go either way.

[Doug]

The corporation of Mega. This picture also really illustrates what the Mega Track was capable of.

[Filippo]

Wow.

[Kenan]

Do you have problems handling your supercar? Do you accidentally end up off? Well, this one's the one for you.

[Doug]

Exactly. You don't have to worry about it getting scratched or whatever because it can go anywhere and do anything. This was the Stado before the Sterrato. Although it was actually two stirratos size wise.

[Kenan]

I mean, another one. Normal traffic. Look. I mean, look at that.

[Doug]

It's so ridiculously absurd. Yeah. That one on Vienna plates is apparently seen around Monaco here and there. Someone's driving around. So 400 horsepower Mercedes V12. Must have been terrible.

[Filippo]

Shout out to shmee who filmed that car in 2011.

[Doug]

But he's filmed it going by. Someone's got to do a Quirks and Fears features. We got to get a Mega Track video. There's a 959 next.

[Filippo]

Let's get you to. To Austria.

[Doug]

Let's get there. Those were the two off roads that,

[Filippo]

by the way, the 143 scale, still giant.

[Doug]

Can't believe someone made a 143 scale mega track. 143 scale mega track wouldn't fit on this table. So much bigger.

[Kenan]

It's so hard to understand the scale. Ridiculous.

[Doug]

Stupid. Most idiot car ever made. Oh, I love it.

[Filippo]

I love it so much.

[Doug]

The Mega Track.

[Kenan]

I had no idea. I'm gonna go read about this.

[Doug]

There's.

[Filippo]

There's.

[Doug]

You can do a deep dive. The company was called Axiom, but their line of vehicles was called Mega. And then the track.

[Filippo]

Right.

[Kenan]

And then the track. There were others.

[Doug]

There was like. There was also like the Mega Whatever. And the Mega wasn't just the Axio Mega Track.

[Kenan]

Wow.

[Doug]

Yeah.

[Kenan]

Anyway, thank you for that.

[Doug]

That's a great.

[Filippo]

They're currently the leader in Quadricycles in France.

[Doug]

Oh, wow.

[Kenan]

I went from that.

[Filippo]

AKA the cars that teenagers can drive.

[Doug]

Yeah. You know what you do? You take your Mega Track to the Quadricycle dealership for service.

[Kenan]

Right? Quadricycle. Quadricycle. Quadricycle Mega Track.

[Doug]

You pull up next to the shop. They're not big enough. The shop's not even big Enough to fit the Mega track.

[Filippo]

I want you guys to know that they currently offer a mega product still. The, The. The Axiom brand. It is like a lifted.

[Doug]

I want the track in this picture. That's what. That's the Lotus Europa. It's parked next to it. They're actually next to it.

[Filippo]

I want to talk about the scouty Evo.

[Doug]

I want to talk about Slate. You don't remember Slate?

[Kenan]

Of course.

[Filippo]

What are you going to say about this? Because I see what's right in the dock and I don't.

[Doug]

All right, I got a Slate story for you. It's a slight story, but it's a slight Slate story.

[Kenan]

Nice.

[Doug]

Do you remember a couple of months ago they did that video where the CEO. Yes. Was like, answered questions. One of the questions, when can Doug demur review. Do you remember what her answer was?

[Filippo]

Whenever.

[Doug]

Whenever he wants. So for the last two months, I've been working with the Slate people, trying to figure out a day to review it. And we've set on a date. And then they bailed and pushed the date. And we set a date. We bailed and they pushed the date. Set a date, bailed, pushed it. It's happened three or four times. And the most recent was. How about June or July? This was supposed to happen in February.

[Filippo]

Wow.

[Doug]

In addition to that, that woman is no longer the CEO.

[Filippo]

She's the president.

[Doug]

She's the founder. No longer CEO. They hired a CEO.

[Filippo]

She's the president.

[Doug]

And of course, the. The price of these trucks has increased significantly, which is one of the problems when you kind of make your announcement around the pricing based on incentives, which could go away. And so I wonder, whenever he wants to review it has now been pushed, pushed, pushed. Like, how we doing? How we doing over here?

[Filippo]

I think the answer is not.

[Kenan]

Well, I personally am hoping they do another Wes Anderson style thing where she answers a bunch of questions, because I really enjoyed that. But I really, I. I do want. Everybody wants to see you review this thing. So June twice. That means it's gonna be fall.

[Doug]

Yeah. The fall.

[Kenan]

The fall, maybe winter.

[Doug]

Well, that's the thing. It's like, what are we doing here? Like, what she said, whenever we want. And then they were scheduling it. We had March 6th on the bus.

[Filippo]

Jay Leno did it a month ago.

[Doug]

Where's Doug? They're not afraid of Jay. I don't think they're afraid of Jay. Like, Jay drives the car. He's like, ah, whatever. Tell me about the car. This CEO goes on Jay's video, talks about the car. Car. That's right. Doug doesn't do any of that. Doug actually pokes into the things and you watch Doug's Prelude video and you start thinking, maybe we don't give him. Maybe we're a little nervous about what he's going to say. But that makes me nervous about the state of this company. And they obviously are probably also nervous because of the EV incentive no longer makes their product as compelling as it once was.

[Filippo]

I mean, we talked about when. When they first announced it, producer Sean and I went up to Orange county to their launch party.

[Doug]

That's right.

[Filippo]

And we talked about it that week and we were a little skeptical that it would be an appealing proposition at the price they stated, which was 20,000 with tax credit. Some of that. So high twenties without. They've since said that they'll be in the mid twenties.

[Doug]

Yeah.

[Filippo]

Or so they've lowered it a little bit. But no tax credit anymore.

[Doug]

Yep.

[Filippo]

It's not a compelling proposition at that price point. It's like the range is too low, the power is too low.

[Doug]

That's right. Equipment, two door.

[Filippo]

It's small. It's a niche segment. The Maverick exists.

[Doug]

The maverick exists for 30 with a four door. I could. I could just go get a Volkswagen Cevero. But I'm glad you went to the launch. You don't even say anything about that. I'm glad I went to the. You went to the launch party because Ken and also went to that launch party with Emily and afterwards was a lovely evening in Los Angeles for the two of them.

[Kenan]

We did not go to that.

[Doug]

But. Yeah.

[Kenan]

But Filippo did get a tattoo while he was there because they were offering that tattoo booth. Do you remember that?

[Filippo]

I remember the tattoo booth. I did not get a tattoo.

[Kenan]

Oh, that's unfortunate.

[Filippo]

I'm not a tattoo.

[Kenan]

But you could have commemorated when you got to see the slate.

[Doug]

Anyway, I'm a little bit nervous.

[Filippo]

I did get some ice cream. That was nice.

[Doug]

A little bit nervous about the Slate situation, as we all are. Little bit nervous.

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[Doug]

Speaking of Slate and Amazon, who is a majority or minority partner.

[Filippo]

They're investor.

[Doug]

The other day I'm driving around here and I see an Amazon delivery truck with a Montana license plate plate on it.

[Kenan]

Huh. Now we're not in Montana.

[Doug]

Oh, no.

[Kenan]

We're in Southern California.

[Doug]

California.

[Filippo]

Interesting.

[Doug]

Now it's Montana temporary license plate. Here's a theory. I'm gonna give a theory. I'm not saying they're doing this, but here's what I would do if I was Amazon trying to limit my Tax liability. You set up a business in Montana. You buy the trucks from the Montana business.

[Filippo]

Which LLC creation business do you think they're using?

[Doug]

I think they got their own.

[Kenan]

They're calling llc.

[Doug]

Buy the trucks in your Montana Montana business. And then after they've been titled in Montana, no sales tax, you flip them to another state where you happen to sell the car for $1. And in that state, that's the price you paid because your Montana business sold it to your California business for a dollar. That's just what I might do if I was trying to limit my tax liability and I was a giant company. But it was interesting to me because California last week was cracking down on a dentist in Fremont for doing Montana on his Aventador. And here I am driving this Amazon truck with a Montana plate. And I'm like, you know, that's interesting. And it's a temporary plate, so they're waiting for title. So the moment they get Montana title. What would you do if you were a large company trying to limit your taxes?

[Filippo]

What's interesting here is I would be stunned if they purchased the trucks, just leased them. They would lease them from themselves. I mean, fundamentally, they would have a financier that is probably the themselves own them. That makes it interesting. I remember most Amazon trucks have the digital California license plates.

[Doug]

I don't want to speak to what's going on. It's interesting. The other interesting.

[Filippo]

Some people are asking questions. That's all I'm saying.

[Kenan]

It's merely an observation.

[Doug]

The other interest, California license plates have finally switched to the new format nine. The end of the nine series has been reached. This started in 1980. They've switched. I got the very first one. The photo that you see. The photo that you see? No, I have it. It's in my house. The photo that you see right now is me with the very first one. How did I pull it off? You'll never know.

[Filippo]

Did it actually ever arrive?

[Doug]

Yeah. Wow. It was on the Ford GT. It was registered the 4 GT for a little while.

[Filippo]

Right.

[Doug]

I never put it on. I got the first one. So California has made us after. After 46 long years in the same license plate format, the switch has been made. This is a massive news story, people.

[Filippo]

So up until that's been number three letters. Three numbers.

[Doug]

Yeah.

[Filippo]

And now it's what, just flip the opposite?

[Doug]

It's really not interesting.

[Filippo]

But there's three big deal letters, three numbers, one number.

[Doug]

I'm only mentioning this news story because I got the first one. I'm not mentioning it. For any other, it's a big deal, period. Are you jealous that I have the first?

[Filippo]

No, but I'm really sad that I never saw a 9Y plate. Or 9Z Z plate, rather. I actually haven't seen a 9Y plate.

[Doug]

You will see 9Y's. It seems like they skipped 9Z. Do you?

[Filippo]

That's so sad to me. I wanted to see 9Z.

[Doug]

Do you? Well, hey, if you're looking for three plates, you'd find that you'll never see a 3Z. Let me tell you something. Or a onesie. Let me tell you something.

[Filippo]

Isn't onesie a truck plate?

[Doug]

No. Let me tell you something. As the person who got the very first one, I'm proud of the new format. Love it. Obviously, it all kind of started with me. I consider myself the founder of the format. Really. It's hard as a founder.

[Kenan]

Field of California dmv. They were going to through. It's like, oh, my God, somebody took it. It's this guy. It's not the first one.

[Doug]

It was a random chase.

[Kenan]

All right?

[Doug]

I walk into the AAA office down by my house in San Ysidro, Modesto, and there they were. The previous guy got the last one and I got the first one. It was pure chance.

[Filippo]

Are they starting with a 000 AAA? No, they're not.

[Doug]

No, it's. The first one is 000AA1 we've been showing on the screen for the last 15 minutes.

[Filippo]

It's the second one.

[Doug]

I meant to bring it in today, but I forgot. But it's at my house. No, the. The first number is gonna be like the last number. The last number is gonna be like. The first number was.

[Filippo]

Do you understand that?

[Doug]

No, the last number is gonna be like. The first number was like the age identifier, basically.

[Filippo]

Right?

[Doug]

So what point are they starting?

[Kenan]

Zero is gonna be first.

[Doug]

Then 00081. I don't know.

[Filippo]

They were skipping some.

[Doug]

No, they didn't skip. They gave me the first one. And by the way, 000. Because California starts each series with 000, as some states do. Are you happy about this?

[Filippo]

I think I gotta go get a vanity plate and then return to a regular plate to get a new one.

[Doug]

Maybe I need to buy a card.

[Filippo]

Maybe.

[Kenan]

So you're gonna. The great irony of this is you can't put this on any card because then it looks like you just got it. Which also disavow.

[Doug]

At this point, California probably won't let me have this plate anymore. That's just going to be in my garage. It's just going to go up on my gar as a souvenir of the time that I started it all.

[Kenan]

Well, I'll say a couple of things. One, I didn't care at all about license plates until you came into it. And that's all I look at. And that's all I look at.

[Doug]

It is helpful especially in California where they stay with the car. I agree because you can tell who's a little sketch and who's not totally.

[Kenan]

But I feel that it is notable. I feel this is like a California thing. To see the plates switch over like when you moved here is like to know what sequence they. And now we've all gotten to see them switch like do the big switch that we've been waiting for.

[Doug]

Big day for Filippo.

[Filippo]

My 911 has done WXP9WXP.

[Doug]

Yeah.

[Filippo]

Really?

[Doug]

What are you gonna do about the wheels?

[Filippo]

Well, I. I'm selling my bbs'. I. I have a buyer for them. I have a buyer for them. He actually reached out by email like early on.

[Doug]

What are you gonna do about the wheels in the car? They're gray painted.

[Filippo]

So my BBSs are sold. Yeah, I have to ship them out, but they're sold. My wheels that were the OE wheels were refinished by the prior owner and he never put them back on the car.

[Doug]

He refinished them in brakes dust.

[Filippo]

Unfortunately that they're a little

[Doug]

ppa. He just got him really brake dusty. Then he ppf and he didn't think

[Kenan]

about the center cap.

[Filippo]

It's maybe acceptable. In other words, it's not. At some point I will refinish them.

[Kenan]

Now here's the great thing.

[Doug]

Not gonna.

[Kenan]

You're not going to. The time to do that was. Oh, I don't know when the car was on another set of wheels.

[Doug]

That was the time we didn't know how bad.

[Filippo]

You couldn't tell tell in the box how bad they were.

[Kenan]

No, but you can put those center caps in.

[Filippo]

I'm getting a lot of pressure to change out the bbs.

[Kenan]

I know.

[Doug]

I now regret it and honestly wish that the car was still on the bbs.

[Filippo]

No, I like those. I like the wheels so bad, Ryan.

[Doug]

They're like. They're a little dark, slightly gray. They're like really messes with.

[Filippo]

I will get them, get them redone today. The issue is that I don't want to go without the car. I drive the car every day and I want to keep driving the car every day.

[Kenan]

Do you drive?

[Filippo]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Kenan]

But you Know what?

[Doug]

Here's it's going to.

[Filippo]

Some days I don't.

[Kenan]

Your pickup truck is on the way from Arizona.

[Filippo]

It's getting shipped.

[Kenan]

When that gets lights here, send the 911 and get the wheels fixed at some point because you have to drive around in a carbureted. You have to sleep in the bed

[Filippo]

you have made to buy new wheels for the pickup truck because they're 16 and a half coming here. It should be getting picked up today. Tomorrow.

[Kenan]

Filippo's just.

[Doug]

It's coming here this week?

[Filippo]

Yeah, maybe early next.

[Kenan]

We're just finding this out now? It's Wednesday when we're filming this.

[Filippo]

I have it as an item on here for that reason.

[Kenan]

I think it was supposed to be here. I've been hearing it's going to be here this week for three weeks.

[Filippo]

I, I paid for a ship yesterday. It's coming.

[Doug]

Damn. So this is like real real? Yep.

[Kenan]

Fleet is going to be a carbureted man like you. What do you have to say?

[Filippo]

I, I, I will be honest here. The, I need to get it titled. It does not need to pass smog, which is great. And I do need to get new wheels and tires quickly because I can't really drive it that much.

[Kenan]

I mean, you're just mired in wheel and tire power. I know. It's incredible.

[Filippo]

I know.

[Doug]

Well, what's the wheel and tire issue on this? Does it, does it bolt up to other Ford wheels? I mean, let's throw on some, let's throw on some of the Pope Fusion wheels.

[Filippo]

Putting it. The Pope apparently had a manual Fusion according to Farley. I wish I did. I almost bought one on Craigslist years ago.

[Doug]

You and the Pope. It was probably ex Pope.

[Filippo]

It was, it was in Madison. So.

[Kenan]

You know what, dude?

[Doug]

It was ex Pope.

[Filippo]

It could have been ex Pope, man.

[Kenan]

You. Oh, that's cool.

[Doug]

Pope John what?

[Filippo]

Gen 4 fusion, cuz. Multiple gens had a manual.

[Doug]

I think it was the 2010 that pre, pre redesign. But like the good face lift.

[Filippo]

Yeah, that was the one. I was

[Doug]

John Paul Pope. John Paul's like Fiat Uno on ebay one time sold for like $2 million. This could have been you.

[Filippo]

Imagine the Ford Fusion. The worst car.

[Doug]

You missed out.

[Filippo]

Love that one now.

[Kenan]

Or maybe the Vatican want it back. Put it in the museum.

[Doug]

There you go.

[Kenan]

You know, with. Yeah.

[Filippo]

The truck is coming though. I I finding new wheels will not be a problem. Just it's a, it's a family process. So there are many.

[Doug]

It's a family process. The family's got to be consulted on which, on which wheels.

[Kenan]

How is that? All right. I got so many questions. I'm just going to let you have that. Thankfully.

[Filippo]

Appreciate that.

[Doug]

They get a. Hey, family. A what, what is everybody. So we're going to take a family

[Kenan]

vote on which, on which set of family meetings.

[Doug]

212 used wheels and tires we're getting. If we're going to go down to

[Kenan]

Sandy family, it's you and your wife are the ones that have this thing like all that matters is her and I don't think she cares about them.

[Filippo]

She's family.

[Kenan]

Yeah, of course she is. But like I don't think she cares about the wheel.

[Filippo]

Other, other people.

[Kenan]

Are they round? That would be her question.

[Filippo]

That would, would be an important component.

[Doug]

I will say screw up the wheels on that truck if you get the wrong ones because the truck. But I, you will undoubtedly do that.

[Filippo]

I want to be clear. It's also not on the OE wheels. It's on some, you know.

[Doug]

Oh, it's on some aftermarket.

[Filippo]

Yeah. From like 90s though.

[Doug]

Get, get the 97. Pull up. Can you pull up an Explorer please?

[Filippo]

I will absolutely not get the. I know your wheels mad.

[Kenan]

You say 97.

[Doug]

No, no, no. On cars and bids. Cuz that's. We're trying to, we're trying to push that website on people podcast.

[Filippo]

It's carsandbids.com carsandbids.com there's an app I think.

[Doug]

Yeah, yeah. It is just for go down. Go down the wheels. I like the wheels. I, I, I like a lot of wheels but the ones I want you to get, click on that Explorer. See the red one? Click on the red one. I don't want to see the white one. I want the red one. Yes.

[Kenan]

Oh yeah.

[Doug]

I liked these because they had sort of this like teardroppy raindropy situation.

[Filippo]

They are cool.

[Doug]

Are these, are you a five lug?

[Filippo]

Probably not. I honestly don't remember. I don't. I assume not though.

[Doug]

Look at these things still on Firestones. Wow. This is, this is a nostalgia play. You can drive around the on your Explorer and get killed. Look at the original tires. Jeez. Jeez.

[Kenan]

That looks like a, like a map. Oh Lord.

[Filippo]

Are those original tires?

[Doug]

What? How many did this have on it?

[Kenan]

This one had. Yeah.

[Doug]

When did we foist this on?

[Kenan]

2000 miles. TMU though.

[Doug]

With a salvage tile.

[Kenan]

This is an unusual one. 10 GS.

[Doug]

How did this one not get cash for clunkered.

[Filippo]

Seriously, don't you wonder 2000 miles like might be real.

[Doug]

It's pretty clean.

[Kenan]

I mean, it looks pretty clean.

[Doug]

That's how the seats look to oe. Yeah.

[Kenan]

So that's a good.

[Filippo]

Damn.

[Doug]

Grab those wheels. Okay. Canon. Canon has much more to talk about. I don't know why we've been talking about. We've been sitting here talking about California license plates and Filippo's brake dust.

[Kenan]

That's how it works. You guys talk and I listen.

[Doug]

But we'll tell us about the SL65.

[Kenan]

Yeah. So I recently sold, as people know, my SL65 on the cars and the bids, and it brought $60,000 big money.

[Filippo]

It's all because of that fourth picture where you're cleaning off the. The.

[Doug]

Well, that.

[Kenan]

That does have something to do with it. That is how I care for my car meticulously. But this car sold well. The bidding war, it was bid up pretty quickly. If you look at like the actual bid history. For the longest time it was sitting at 45, and then it went to 47. But the. In the end, there were a couple more bids and it ended up at 60. And the car is going to Dallas. One of the cool things, by the time this airs, it'll probably be went on a truck on. On Tuesday of this week. The was a cool story the. The buyer was talking to me about. So he. He wanted an SL65 and his buddy has an SLR and an SL65 in addition to a bunch of other cars. And it was a black on black and red car. And so he wanted to buy that. And his friend watched the video I did with Nick on the SLR SL65 and was like, I can't sell you the SL65. I have to keep them both. They're both too good.

[Doug]

Wow.

[Kenan]

And so then. So then he ended up bidding on this car and he won it. And now it's.

[Filippo]

Now it's in Dallas.

[Doug]

Look at this car. Take this picture. Who took this picture?

[Kenan]

This is a Nick Stafford. Stafford Media took this picture.

[Doug]

That is real photography.

[Filippo]

That's a great photo.

[Doug]

This makes me want the car. And I already drove the car and had it around.

[Kenan]

I was. I was a little disappointed in your video. You didn't give it the full. You didn't go full throttle in the car.

[Doug]

What was I the same way, though, when something interesting happened?

[Kenan]

Probably. But this car, the thing is, yes, I'm very happy to sell it. I'm happy it goes to good home. I'm happy to get a very good result on it. I will miss that engine. It is just one of the all time great engines and I will sing that thing praises until the end.

[Doug]

Canon's SL65 has departed us.

[Kenan]

Yes. And the hunt is on for a Viper.

[Doug]

Canon is legitimately looking for a Viper.

[Kenan]

There are three people I am talking to all with first generation Vipers, all red in various years. All three spoke, all side piped. And so we'll see. I'm working together on a couple of. Yes, there's, there's an order. I'm not in a rush so I'm going to find the right one. But I am, I'm definitely. I look, everybody has given me a lot of guff about this. It's like, oh, this car, the Mercedes is so much better than the Viper. It's like, well yeah, you're missing the point.

[Doug]

We're experienced men, we're.

[Kenan]

I want to experience it. I want to be clear. I am likely not going to have the Viper for more than six to nine months.

[Doug]

Yeah.

[Kenan]

But I just, I have to have it like I, it's. I just, there's an itch that I have to scratch. I want to follow in Doug's footsteps.

[Doug]

Yep.

[Kenan]

Get a manual V10.

[Filippo]

You'll be really good at putting the top on and off.

[Kenan]

So there's a fun fact about first gens. They came with a tonneau cover. On the first gen Vipers across the dash there are a bunch of little snaps. That is for a tonneau cover that goes over the whole thing. So if you want to just cover the interior you can.

[Doug]

Wow.

[Kenan]

So I'm going to get. And there's a zipper so you can zip out. Just driver's.

[Doug]

No roof at all. Okay.

[Kenan]

There is of course a roof but

[Filippo]

it's a, that's a fun fact.

[Kenan]

But yeah, a lot of people. Have you ever noticed that?

[Doug]

Yeah.

[Kenan]

Yeah. So I figured you would have. But like. Yeah.

[Doug]

So I kind of remember at the Peterson maybe I even, I don't remember they had that. They have like the fourth one made or something.

[Kenan]

Yes.

[Doug]

You know what, I was, I was at my kids school there the other day, you know, over there, over there,

[Kenan]

over there by the thing.

[Doug]

And I was walking up to pick up one of the kids there from the school.

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[Doug]

And there was, I hope there was a school district van and it was an economy and on the side of it it said Triton V10. And I'm thinking to myself, how bizarre is it that the people driving V10s are Huracan Gallardo R8 owners, LFA Carrera GT muscle guys and Vipers and Then a school employee,

[Kenan]

hey, the V10 knows no bounds. Everybody has to experience it. Whether it's in the truck.

[Filippo]

We, I mean I of course have

[Kenan]

my friend Talent has one. And how he. And he's not a car person at all. He's had a high.

[Filippo]

Yes.

[Kenan]

That he said at one point he put 27 friends in and drove down to the beach. So I'm sure it was, you know, very safe. But like yeah, because I hadn't seen this truck forever. And then he pulled up to this volunteer thing we're doing and it said

[Doug]

V10 on today's world. It's so ridiculous. Young kids growing up today who become car enthusiasts are going to look back at those V10 vans. Like we look back at like those old Cadillac V8s that were 8 liters and made no power and be like back in the grandpa's days they were putting V10s in vans. So weird.

[Kenan]

We lived through a great period of automotive history. We really did. But I, I am again just thrilled with the result. Thank you again for reviewing it. And I was very happy to represent this one. The car made it easy because it was a very good car.

[Doug]

Do you think he's going to end up with a Viper? Yeah. Are you pumped for this?

[Kenan]

Yeah, I think I'd like for you to drive it.

[Filippo]

I'd like to.

[Kenan]

Well, you'll be part of my friends drive my Viper.

[Filippo]

Will this time wasn't this time.

[Kenan]

And you can be too because you're not going to review it cuz you've already done a first gen Viper.

[Doug]

I would do it again. Especially if you got a ketchup and mustard.

[Kenan]

I should have bought that one. I was sitting right. But I had to. I, I want the three spokes.

[Doug]

That car was so unruly.

[Kenan]

I want the side pipe. It is. They are, they're so unruly. You know another thing I did recently, I went to Texas to do the Port Hill country rally which I'll talk about a little bit in a second. But what it made me realize is how much I love classic cars. I really love them. And the Viper is this unusual blend of classic and modern because I. It has like fuel injection. You can be diagnosed and they're pretty reliable and no carbs, nothing like that. But it's so raw and visceral and it is about just driving. Nothing else, just driving. And admittedly the driving situations you get into are a little scary with that car. But that's what it is about one thing and I just respect that and I love that And I want to experience it.

[Doug]

And it is a very different experience from your E39 M5, which the SL65 also was, but maybe not in the right way. Like, it was more relaxed, more easy, more serene. Like, not. But the Viper is going to be like, you already have some of that stuff in the E39. Like, the Viper is going to be. So, like, just. You got to control it. You've got to handle that car.

[Kenan]

The M5 is good at, like, it does a bunch of things and it's just like taking the slider and stretching out one of those. In the SL's case, it was performance and luxury. In the Viper's case, it going to be rawness.

[Filippo]

No, it ain't performance.

[Kenan]

It's still pretty. I mean, it's a lot of power in a lightweight car.

[Doug]

Groundhog over here, producer Sean.

[Filippo]

Yeah, Sean.

[Doug]

@carsandbids.com he hadn't liked the boys Viper.

[Kenan]

No. But Sean has what we call hot takes in some friend circles. We know him as hot Take Shawn. And he is often wrong.

[Filippo]

So.

[Kenan]

So we're going to find that. I know he hates the Viper a lot. The thing about the Viper, you once said that a great car should be loved and hated in equal measures by people. That's how you make, like a truly awesome car. And the Viper is that some people love it. And the people love it, really love it. And people hate it, really hate it.

[Doug]

It is. It is. It is. I was. I was sitting in a light the other day next to a Harley and I was walking. I was watching the whole thing shake. And I was thinking to myself, German and Japanese bike enthusiasts who see this laugh at how unrefined it is. Meanwhile, that's exactly what attracted that fellow to that bike is the rumble. And that's the Viper. Sean's over here. His bad colored G wagon is behind us. He's shooting from his high, holier than thou German car, European car brand. He's got three European cars. Since I've known him, he's had five European cars. Guy's just one of these coastal elites. Meanwhile, meanwhile, you man of the people with your rumbly thing.

[Kenan]

Born and bred in the Midwest, baby. So, like, I've also only owned European cars and I want to own an. But I want to own an American car. Like I. And I just think that it is. I just think they are as cool as it comes. I just think they're the best.

[Doug]

So tell us about the Porsche rally.

[Kenan]

I'm going to pull up a picture of the Viper. So we can just stare at one.

[Doug]

Yeah. Leave that up while you talk.

[Kenan]

Yeah, perfect.

[Doug]

That's a great one too.

[Kenan]

I actually think this rear three quarter. Look at that. That's a. A cool car. It's a cool car. Anyway, I went.

[Doug]

You'll never.

[Kenan]

I went to Texas with some friends of mine from New Orleans to go drive in the Porsche Hill Country Rally. Now this is a rally that takes place every year just outside of San Antonio in the Hill Country. And it's. It's focus. Some rallies you go to, it's kind of a car show. Like this was not that we showed up and there were 374 cars, a lot of them at this hotel. But the thing was, they're all torsion bar cars. So 1989 and Ford Porsche. So that's 911, 914, 350, new and older. 1989 and older. Correct. What I realized when I got there is that it is a classic car event and it is focused on driving by the. By the time we get up in the morning at like 7:30, the parking lot would be almost completely empty.

[Filippo]

Wow.

[Kenan]

All those cars are out just driving. They gave us these great routes to drive. You could drive at your own pace. You chose. When you left. There was no like organization around. They didn't dictate when you had to drive.

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[Kenan]

And so it was just a bunch of people out there driving these old Porsches. And what I realized is like, those cars can really take it. Like it is a classic car. I was in a 1973911 E, which just made the most glorious sound. You know, the beginning to Le Mans when Steve. Steve McQueen is driving his 911. Does anybody know? People know what I'm talking about. That's what it felt like. It was just raw and visceral and I'm. I'm losing my mind. A video's coming out about this soon. But it was just like we really used those cars. 450 miles in less than in two days.

[Filippo]

That's strong.

[Kenan]

And people drove from all over the country. A group of guys drove up from Monterrey, Mexico with a bunch of cars. People came from California, drove to.

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[Kenan]

Paul Kramer drove with a group. They only did 100 miles on highway. Everything else was back road. Got there, drove some car and drove back again.

[Doug]

Do you. Are you a Porsche man now? Like Spike.

[Kenan]

So. Well, here's the thing. I realized that it's coming for me.

[Doug]

Like, oh my God.

[Kenan]

It's coming for me.

[Doug]

Oh my God. However, take mine.

[Filippo]

However.

[Kenan]

I am going I would. What I realized is most of these people, they just liked cars. It just happened to be Porsches. They actually, they were exactly what we like. They weren't obsessed over the little deviated stitching. They were driving the things and they were driving them well and as they were intended to be and using them. People were fixing stuff in the parking lots and like, it was just. It. That was real automotive enthusiasm. I. I think that is the future of car events. To go and use them the way they're supposed to be used. Like, that was the most pure automotive event I have ever been to and I absolutely loved it. And I plan to go back next year, but I know that I'm going to end up with a Porsche at some point. In the mean meantime, Filippo, and I'm

[Doug]

not trying to be a jerk to you. I really am not. But Felipe and I prefer the rare shades event where we look at the cars are parked on plinths and we look at very similar, identical Porsches that just happen to be slightly different versions of gray and brown. And we talk about how cool that brown is compared to a different brown. That's what people And I like.

[Kenan]

You're a Cassis guy. There were a couple of people. There were a couple of cars there that were like, so nice. They weren't driven on their own. I was like, whatever. But those people brought other cars, just go cane. Which I thought was really cool and acceptable. So I. I have to say, and it was. I'm very grateful to everybody came up and said hello. A lot of people were surprised I was there, like, what are you doing here? But, well, I'm just becoming a Porsche person and I'm grateful to my friends who brought their cars to let me drive. And the New Orleans crew was great and we just had a great time. So I highly encourage people to get out there, go to driving events. They are the most fun.

[Doug]

I agree with that. And on the subject of driving events, I want to move on to the market report. We have two very short things to cover before we have to move on to questions which are going to be short today. I'm going to. Sorry. The market report is brought to you by the Suzuki across. The Suzuki across. Pull up. The Suzuki across.

[Kenan]

We sold one.

[Filippo]

Actually.

[Doug]

No, no, the Suzuki across. Filippo, do you want to tell us. No, tell the audience.

[Filippo]

I'd rather not engage.

[Doug]

Suzuki across is. It's a four wheeler. Pull up. This picture actually of it, I think is the best one.

[Filippo]

That's the last gen.

[Doug]

The Suzuki across. That's the One I like the Suzuki across is a four wheeler. It's a very.

[Kenan]

And that it has four wheels.

[Doug]

It's a very competent, capable off road vehicle. And you have never seen this body design before. This is brand new car, Suzuki across, totally distinct from any other automobile. And you can tell that it's a Suzuki and not something like a Toyota because the center caps have the Suzuki logo on.

[Filippo]

That's right.

[Doug]

And ignore the fact that the plug in hybrid badge is the same as you might see on some Toyotas. That Toyota copied that from the Suzuki man, you've had.

[Kenan]

Oh my God, did you get shot?

[Doug]

Go to the pull up the Daytona. That would be a cute problem.

[Kenan]

This is another thing we have to talk about. So a couple of. I can't spell today. A couple of weeks ago after Moda I went and drove this 1970 Ferrari 365 GTB. Yes, Daytona. What an unbelievable car. Now I, I started working with car in bids six years ago yesterday.

[Filippo]

Happy six years.

[Kenan]

Thank you. And I have since we started I have dreamt one day that we would have a car like this on the site. And here it is, a Ferrari Daytona.

[Doug]

We've had tashes.

[Kenan]

Well yeah, but I'm more of a

[Doug]

better in every way.

[Kenan]

I'm a Ferrari guy.

[Doug]

So you know Daytona's on site. It is absolutely beautiful. Breathtaking. What was it like to drive there?

[Kenan]

So special.

[Doug]

Yeah.

[Kenan]

Surprisingly agile. Once you like it, you set the chassis in a corner then you go. I mean fully independent suspension in a 1970. And this engine, the Colombo V12 is one of the most magnificent things as

[Doug]

I'm sure you know.

[Filippo]

Of course.

[Kenan]

Yep. The tipo. Yeah. Anyway, well, forget it. I'm not going to waste my time anyway. But just to hear the carburetors like it just makes such a wonderful noise and like. And the power is good. The steering. Everybody said at low, when you're not moving if you have to do a dry turn like with no motion, very heavy. But once you are moving. I found every engagement point with the car was wonderful. It really is a special automobile and it just felt solid. It felt like I could have driven that car back from Seattle to California.

[Filippo]

Like genuinely what I mean that would

[Kenan]

have been so beautiful.

[Doug]

Maybe someday. Every time I see a Daytona, which is pretty much only at car events, I'm astonished by just how special it is. It is a very cool car. Very special vintage Ferrari. It is the link between vintage Ferrari and more modern Ferrari. It was this design that sort of took them out of the, you know, taller Grills and wire wheels era and kind of moved them into the more swept back cars that we kind of more even to this day more know as the Ferrari design.

[Kenan]

It was the last Ferrari to have bronis after that and they offered mags at the time you could get them.

[Doug]

But it was literally the link between them.

[Kenan]

That one it was literally.

[Doug]

And then from a design perspective too, it was clearly Ferrari going more.

[Kenan]

And then after this for 30 years they were mid engine and then they brought the 550 back which this car was in the car in Driver magazine where they like issue where they compared this and the 550 Marello like brand new.

[Doug]

And there's a lot of similarities. If you really look at them on paper. There's a lot of.

[Kenan]

But the one last thing I'll say on this because I know I'm talking a lot today but the stiffness of the drivetrain is unbelievable. Like because it's a torque tube. So it's secured at the front and the rear. Rear and the transmissions at the back. The transaxle. Yeah, it just. When you get on it, the whole

[Doug]

thing is tight and so you get

[Kenan]

on it and the foot goes like this. It just rocks back and then you monster off down the road.

[Doug]

Sean, we got to get a Daytona in the office.

[Kenan]

It's pretty special.

[Filippo]

Who wouldn't want that? I will say go, go watch Ken's video on cars and beds YouTube channel.

[Kenan]

Yes, thank you for the reminding.

[Doug]

You want me to get a Daytona? You got to get one here so I can drive it.

[Kenan]

Bid on this one.

[Doug]

Bid on this one.

[Kenan]

But there it is. We went and we drove the car and it was just the coolest thing. I had the greatest time and it was a chance for me to meet a hero of mine. I've dreamt of that car since I was a kid.

[Filippo]

Totally.

[Kenan]

And it far exceeded my expectations. And whoever ends up with this car is very lucky indeed. Daytonas have not been appreciated the way that they deserve to be. And I hope that that changes because it is. Just look at the thing.

[Doug]

Yeah, okay. Unfortunately there's no other time for more market report stuff. We wanted to talk about Xteros. We want to talk about 97s360. We had a good 360 pull up the 360 result. We got to move on to questions. We're not going talk about the 360 result. It's just going to sit here. It's just going to sit here and you're going to look at.

[Filippo]

It's a high mile Car, too.

[Doug]

Questions, of course, are brought to you by Cars and Bids. Cars and Bids is the leading authority on cars and on bidding. If you want to bid or if you want cars, you go to carsandbids.com. oh, yeah.com there. We have an app too, Filippo.

[Filippo]

We do, yeah. We have an iOS app. And if you've been asking about an Android app, stay tuned.

[Doug]

Stay tuned.

[Kenan]

That's.

[Doug]

My God, he's telegraphing. There's a future.

[Filippo]

Just like, minutes ago, I got an email inviting me to join our Android testing.

[Doug]

It's like when Stefan Winkelman said they might do a two plus two. Oh, this is that level of. Oh, my God.

[Filippo]

No, no. Much more certain and much sooner.

[Doug]

I hope this gets covered in all of the industry publications. Anyway, from OMG foz. First question. Oh, and remember, you can ask questions. Go to carsandbids.com, click on the community tab. The next pod is with Sean. There's not gonna be a questions thing for it after that. You can. You can ask questions. First question is from OMG foz. Release the Saturn files. I want to talk about this because people have been asking me about it. You want to tell the story?

[Filippo]

No.

[Doug]

All right, here's the story. Go back to the fall of 22.

[Filippo]

Is that what it was?

[Doug]

Yeah.

[Filippo]

God, it's been a while.

[Doug]

Summer of 22, the fella sold his 430 Scuderia on cars and bids.

[Filippo]

I remember the car.

[Doug]

You reviewed it. Really nice guy. He lived up in somewhere and he was great. And he said, hey, listen, he. He said, since you're up here. He said, I also, as a nostalgia thing from my childhood, I bought a 1992 Saturn and it's pristine. Do you want to review it? And I was like, yeah, sure. So I did the Scoot. Sold the Scoot on the site, whatever. Then I did the Saturn same day. And the Saturn video has never found a date to go live.

[Filippo]

I, by the way, legitimately love the Saturn sl. We've auctioned a Saturn sl.

[Doug]

We actually had the Saturn video on the calendar over last summer, but I pulled it off.

[Filippo]

Look at this car for.

[Doug]

For something else.

[Filippo]

Yeah, I love. This is not the car. I love the Saturn sl.

[Doug]

That curved rear glass. Anyway, any whom. That's the, The. The. The. The formal way to say any who will.

[Filippo]

It will ever be shown to the public.

[Doug]

Well, I don't know. What do you think? Like, my. My thinking is Sean wants us to put it up at some point, probably to stop all the annoying comments.

[Filippo]

Plus to see 2022 dub. It's been a while.

[Doug]

Been a while. No beard.

[Kenan]

Just give me a shot.

[Filippo]

Your hair was longer or shorter?

[Doug]

Yeah, no, it will be interesting. I will put it up at some point. The problem is basically this. We now have. Ever since then, more or less, we've switched to this new format where on Tuesdays I put up video reviews with brand new cars and on Thursdays I put up video reviews with cars that we're selling on cars and beds. And the Saturn is neither. And so it's been hard to find a spot for it. I get emails from the automakers almost every day, like, hey, you filmed this car three months ago. Why has the video gone up yet? It's like, okay, we got a. Put that up and. Or hey, this car's got to go live because the seller needs it to be sold. So that video's got to go up. And they all have a higher priority than the Saturn. But it's out there.

[Filippo]

Can I. Okay. Mr. Beast, one of the top creators on YouTube and Amazon, Jimmy has a thing where he like pre recorded videos for like Jimmy five years from now, ten years from now, whatever. And also for once after he dies.

[Doug]

Oh, wow.

[Filippo]

Jesus. Have you considered just kind of saving that for that fateful unfortunate.

[Kenan]

I have an idea. If it comes up together, April 1st falls on a Tuesday or on a Thursday, I think. So release it then.

[Doug]

Maybe I'll release it for the five year anniversary of filming it next year, which is probably September. I would.

[Kenan]

That's what you should do. Sean popped up the gopher.

[Doug]

The thing is, I want to put it up. What? What? Sean? We should sell a shirt. We should sell a shirt. Check out Sean and Filippo. The. The cars and bids for merch.carsandbits.com got a great merch. I'm putting it up. At some point I got to find a slot for it. It initially was like, ah, it's been a year. There had been videos that waited a year and then there was that video that waited a lot longer. And I got to find a place to put it. But it's been hard.

[Filippo]

Only fans, they're going big into non VAT creators.

[Doug]

Next question from row 76. Tell us about the mega track. Ah, you're in luck. No, I'm kidding. But man, I. Pretty cool, right? Row 76. When are we getting Ryan on the pod? Ryan, I'd love to have him on the pod. Normally he sits and watches the pod, but we haven't been keeping his interest today. I don't need to deal with These jerks. Someday, Ryan will go on the pod. I think pretty soon, actually, Ryan's planning to be on the pod. I would love to have Ryan on the pod for a lot of reasons. Mainly to kind of get inside his head, get inside his psyche and see what's all going on in there.

[Filippo]

Let's see if we can get a night. Get an explanation.

[Doug]

And you can. He golfs. I mean, he's. He's. He's an interesting fella. He's. He golfs. You can. You can talk about it to him. I don't know. You don't talk about it.

[Kenan]

Golf is interesting. That's definitely what our audience wants to hear more golf.

[Doug]

Felipe, you want to have Ryan on the pot or not? Of course. Can I?

[Kenan]

Yeah. I like Ryan. All right, let's get to be in videos with Ryan. I'm lucky.

[Doug]

That's true. You're around Ryan more than all of us.

[Filippo]

Ryan, by the way, you can find him most Mondays on the cards and bids YouTube channel.

[Doug]

Check out the Cars and Bids.

[Kenan]

You channel the new channel?

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[Doug]

Key. Go to Key. You see Ryan Lopez 247 right now?

[Filippo]

Well, depending on where you watch it, in the next two hours, you'll see a video with Ryan on the Key Channel.

[Doug]

You can even ask him about his hair in the comments. Okay, next question. Next question. Dear Doug, from One Cheap 987. Dear Doug, you've mentioned several times you hated working for an oem and you pity everyone who works for an oem. If you were forced to pick an OEM right now, who would you choose for. I do not pity people who work at OEMs. I think people who work at OEMs, OEM being car companies, headquarter car companies. I do not. I've definitely never said that I pity people who work for OEMs ever. I promise. I've never said that. The OEM that I worked for. Yeah, yeah, that was. I definitely have some pity there. There. Which was Porsche. It wasn't. It wasn't my best job. Let's put it that way. Let's. Let's just say if I had to walk behind Filippo cleaning up all of his slop, that might also be a better job than the one I had.

[Kenan]

I don't know. We're off the rails at the slop. It's all over.

[Filippo]

What?

[Doug]

Filippo, have you ever thought about working for a car company?

[Filippo]

No, not really. I'm a startup guy, through and through, and even startup.

[Kenan]

Go, work. Go for RJ.

[Filippo]

These startup car companies are 100 times larger. Than I want my company to be.

[Doug]

Go work for Tello, dude.

[Filippo]

Tello is small.

[Doug]

Tello's small. Just like the truck. Just like the truck.

[Filippo]

It's a teletruck drive.

[Doug]

If you were forced to pick an OEM to work for right now, who would you choose? Buick. Next question.

[Filippo]

You and Mary Bar can hang out.

[Kenan]

Buick.

[Doug]

Next question. This is a very interesting question from Ricky Marquez. Will the manual Panamera go up in value in the future? This question makes an interesting presumption assumption and that there is a manual Panamera.

[Filippo]

Was there?

[Doug]

Okay, so here's an interesting thing that a lot of people don't know. When the Panamera first came out in 2010, Porsche made manual transmission, rear wheel drive Panameras, both the V6 and the S. There are manual Panamera s never sold in the United States. This question asks, there's only 146 of them made. Will they go up in value? One time I was in Stuttgart at a business meeting when I worked for Porsche. The job that was similar to cleaning up Filippo's slop. And I remember right at the factory there in Zufenhausen, which is also Stuttgart. No one knows why they're called both, but they are. There's a Porsche dealer right there at the factory. And one time, I remember after the meeting ended, I was waiting for a ride back to the hotel or whatever and I walked into the dealer and there was a Panamera S sitting there on the showroom. I looked inside and it was was a stick. And I was like. I knew it existed, but I was like, oh my God, this is so crazy. They. They killed it real quick. Yeah, but. And claims only 146 made, probably most of which were V6s. I think the S's are probably the rare one. How cool. What a cool thing. Do you think it'll go up in value? I don't know. 928s never went up in value.

[Kenan]

You know, Kayan says, but Cayenne certainly have.

[Doug]

Yeah, but still not over sticker like that one green one.

[Filippo]

But other than that also only I think in the U.S. okay, and that's true.

[Kenan]

But also I imagine if, if someone one day, if Nick is still being crazy many. And what's that? You said 2010, so we got to wait till 2035.

[Doug]

It's not that far off. It's already 16 years old. It's nine years away. They're legal in Canada. You could bring a manual Panamera to Canada today if you can find.

[Kenan]

I could figure out A way.

[Filippo]

Godspeed.

[Doug]

If you can find one.

[Filippo]

Surely it was whoever wanted the cheapest Panamera.

[Doug]

I mean, there were probably people who bought S's. They looked cool because like the Carrera gt, the Panamera had the shifter up high. So it was like a high mount car shifter. Yeah. See if you can pull one up. Manual Panamera. See if you can pull up an image from the interior. They're out there. Wow.

[Filippo]

Right hand drive and left hand drive.

[Kenan]

That does not surprise me. Wow, look at that.

[Doug]

They're out there. They exist.

[Filippo]

Wow. Good. Good shifter position.

[Doug]

They exist. You want one of these?

[Filippo]

Kind of. Yeah, I. I do.

[Doug]

You know the sad thing, the. The truth is the dual clutch was such a good trans for that car.

[Filippo]

Switch swappable though?

[Doug]

Probably not.

[Filippo]

Why not?

[Doug]

Because it's a dual clutch. It's not.

[Filippo]

Well, you know, you got to swap entire transmission.

[Doug]

Okay. Yeah. Buy it. Buy an 8, 400 automatic Panamera. Spend $43,000 swapping the last remaining manual transmission.

[Filippo]

That's cool.

[Kenan]

That is.

[Doug]

I did not know somehow you didn't know they existed?

[Filippo]

I think vaguely it was somewhere in my mind.

[Kenan]

But no, you know the other one, Alfred. Didn't the Alfred Julia Quadrifolio come with a manual in?

[Doug]

Did it?

[Kenan]

Yeah, I believe in Italy. Correct.

[Doug]

Really? Damn, that'd be a cool car too. Those are a lot newer.

[Kenan]

Those are a lot newer. But they are only.

[Filippo]

Was it the Quadrifogler? Was it? Yeah, yeah, it was the Quad.

[Kenan]

It was the Quad. Yeah.

[Filippo]

That's cool.

[Doug]

Next question. We'll do two more. Very, very quick. Two more from Lawrence. Hi, Doug. Why do you no longer include exhaust sound clips in the reviews of performance cars like Canon's AMG V12 powered SL65 Kenan? Do you want to explain why I didn't do an exhaust clip in that video?

[Kenan]

Well, that particular car, it's pretty quiet is kind of the reply.

[Doug]

Doesn't it not rev?

[Kenan]

No, it does.

[Doug]

The reason, the answer, I still do them. To be clear, when I can. Like I just did the Viper and we did it. But to answer your question, like almost all new cars do not let you rev in Park. Like 2000 RPM is the max you can rev almost all. In fact, the C8 being a Corvette, has a special mode where you can't rev it in park, but if you pull both paddles at once, you can rev it and park. Like you have to confirm that you want to be annoying. But like almost all of the new cars that I review do not do that the older ones do. And so I do it when it's appropriate. Like I didn't do it for the X5, but like for the Viper, we did it. I did it for the Aston Vanquish, which is coming up. There's a few. The Firebird we have coming up in our office. But that's, that's like the big problem. You go to rev like the new RS6 Avon and it revs the 2000. Like there are electronic.

[Kenan]

I forgot that was the thing.

[Filippo]

Aren't there ways. Is it like neutral or drive?

[Doug]

You try neutral, it doesn't work either. It's the same thing. Car stop will not let you rev. It's just like fine with that.

[Kenan]

Why?

[Doug]

Maybe for sound. There's all these rules in Europe. Maybe for emissions, maybe for just general annoyance. Maybe to protect the engine from cold revving. Like you start it and want to show your buddies and. But a lot of new cars don't do it from a lot of different brands.

[Kenan]

I'd love to know more on the reason, but all those sound plausible.

[Doug]

Yeah. Yeah. Final question from Jolly Swagman. Final question. Dear Doug and team members, thank you for referring.

[Kenan]

Thank you.

[Doug]

You all call Southern California home these days, and you're all plugged into the local car enthusiast scene. But you've all lived in various places across the U.S. how would you compare car culture in of the other cities where you've lived?

[Filippo]

Yeah, happy to answer. Madison, Wisconsin had way more manual hatchbacks. Way more my scene as a result.

[Doug]

Okay.

[Filippo]

Yep.

[Doug]

Okay.

[Filippo]

Okay.

[Doug]

What about Baltimore? How was the car culture there?

[Filippo]

Great.

[Doug]

Okay.

[Filippo]

No, I don't know. I was. The reality is that before cars and bids, cars were always a part of my life. But going to like car events really.

[Doug]

Okay, but you're driving around Baltimore, like, what are you seeing?

[Filippo]

Oh, great, great cars that I love. I love quirky, weird things. There was a. In my neighborhood, there was.

[Doug]

Was a.

[Filippo]

There was some old American EV that I'm blanking on that was just parked on the street.

[Doug]

There S10EV. EV GMEV1.

[Filippo]

No, full. There was something that was really interesting. Was there like you see cool cars everywhere.

[Doug]

Did you ever.

[Filippo]

My folks are in New Hampshire. A lot of manual station.

[Doug]

We're talking about Baltimore car culture. You agree if Nick was on the pod, we'd have to cut out.

[Filippo]

We have to cut apart every single word.

[Doug]

Yep. That would hit the cutting floor pretty hard. And what about your previous in Cleveland?

[Kenan]

Yeah, I found the thing about Cleveland that's galvanizing is the weather. So when it's nice. We can all use our cars. Like all come out.

[Filippo]

Unfortunate word for that context.

[Doug]

Ironic, actually. Yeah, it is.

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[Kenan]

But it. It really is. And so like I actually found. There was a. I found a great group of car people. There's. When I live there, a surprising number of exotics make their way in from the coast. They end up in the Midwest. And there's also a very, very strong pre war scene there. So it's a surprisingly. And of course muscle cars and like there's a pretty diverse actual group of car enthusiasts there. And they're all. We're all very tight as there's. When the weather's nice, we drive and we're out there going and using them. So yeah, a very good scene. Still friends with a lot of people in the Cleveland car scene out there. So shout out to the land as it were.

[Doug]

All rust. Worst car scene in the world. Philadelphia. You agree? In America. No.

[Filippo]

Wasn't there a Veyron in center city for a while?

[Doug]

You agree though? Worst car in America.

[Filippo]

I was walking up pine and an drove by me.

[Doug]

Sure you are.

[Filippo]

No, it was. I have a picture for like 2015 of this happening.

[Doug]

Worst car scene in America, Philadelphia.

[Filippo]

I don't agree with that.

[Doug]

It's a city where the people don't have. It's not like New York where like to have a car you got to be like rich and quirky. So there are some weird cars around. Philly's the opposite. Street parking is horrible. The culture generally is like things get damaged. Like that's just like general Philly culture. Like it's not a place for cars. People did not get into cars. It's not a driving city. There are no good Philly core cultural work in America. Now I'm not saying outside Philly. I'm not coming for you, Wayne. That's where Filippo lived for two years when he was in his suburban family phase. Of course he left that family.

[Filippo]

Right. They don't know that. But yeah.

[Kenan]

Oh man, that's really. You're close there.

[Doug]

Who's out there? Worst car culture in America.

[Filippo]

I don't agree with that.

[Doug]

What do you think? Source car?

[Filippo]

There's a lot of cities that don't really have any kind of.

[Doug]

That was Philly.

[Filippo]

No, Philly had.

[Doug]

Every car in Philly had like 14 of those residential parking permits on the back and was a Toyota Corolla.

[Filippo]

We. We like different things.

[Doug]

It wasn't even cool. It was Toyota Corollas. It was nine year old Toyota Corollas.

[Filippo]

There were also some. Some cars. One time there was a manual 360 driving around. There was a Skyline GTR. There was a hover, there was a VA Vantage.

[Kenan]

I'm so sick.

[Filippo]

There was an S cargo, there was a Viper. I think that's it though, right?

[Kenan]

That was all.

[Doug]

That was all of them. We had Defender, we had an rdx.

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[Doug]

I own an Acura. People don't ever forget that. Okay, that's the end. Kenan, give us some parting thoughts.

[Kenan]

Well, I don't know. I'm very happy SL65 found a new home. Go check out my YouTube channel. I have one more video coming out on that car. Talking about the auction and walking through that.

[Doug]

We never a little bit of the drag race.

[Kenan]

Yeah, we never A little bit of news. Have a little bit of news. But that's going to wait. Teaser, you're going to have to wait. But we never did do the drag race cuz Nick and I were scared. But I'm kind of happy we did didn't so it's fine. Plus then Nick doesn't have to be truly embarrassed in my car as fast there is that.

[Doug]

Goodbye everyone.

[Filippo]

Goodbye.

[Kenan]

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