The Ugliest Car Ever, EV Sports Cars Are Cancelled, and Jaguar Land Rover Hacked?

Summary

THIS CAR POD! with Doug DeMuro & Friends

Episode: The Ugliest Car Ever, EV Sports Cars Are Cancelled, and Jaguar Land Rover Hacked?
Date: September 19, 2025
Cast: Doug DeMuro (Host), Kenan, Filippo

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Episode Overview

This lively episode dives into the latest automotive news and trends, with Doug DeMuro and friends serving up insightful and witty commentary on breaking stories. Topics span from a crippling cyberattack at Jaguar Land Rover, Ford’s confusing new HQ announcement, the mysterious future of fast Audi wagons, skepticism around electric sports cars, AMG’s Batman identity crisis, and a passionate debate about the world’s ugliest (and most practical) car. The hosts also field thoughtful audience questions and share personal car stories, all with their signature banter and automotive expertise.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Jaguar Land Rover Cyberattack Shutdown

00:39–04:49

• News: Jaguar Land Rover production has been halted for weeks due to a significant cyberattack—the second this year. No cars built since early September; possible shutdown period through end of year.
• Impact: Estimated loss of $3.5 billion in revenue (~12–13% of annual revenue), translating to around $5 million in daily profit lost.
• Inventory: Company has survived so far due to high inventory levels, but concerns loom for the future.
• Industry Trend: Fears rise in the industry about the frequency and severity of manufacturer cyberattacks.
• Notable Quotes:
  • "Has it impacted them yet? Turns out...they have been helped thus far by having insane amounts of inventory." (Filippo, 01:15)
  • "Shutdowns may cost them about $3.5 billion in revenues." (Filippo, 01:53)
  • "Amazing that it could potentially send them offline for 2–3 months. Every other automaker out there has got to be sitting and wondering, are we next?" (Kenan, 04:20)
  • "We are not pro-cyberattack. I want to be really clear. We want to take a stand today." (Filippo, 04:49)

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2. Ford’s New Headquarters Shuffle

04:58–08:55

• News: Ford is announcing a new, tech-inspired headquarters campus (the “Glass House/Window Room”). However, the press release was confusing about the move’s specifics.
• Modernization: The campus aims for a Silicon Valley vibe but remains in chilly southeast Michigan, raising questions of practicality.
• Employee Capacity: New HQ will accommodate 14,000 employees within a 15-minute walk.
• Critique: Hosts poke fun at glam renderings and wonder if Ford knows what it’s getting into.
• Notable Quotes:
  • "They're trying to be a tech company. Unfortunately, you see the problem." (Kenan, 06:29)
  • "You're looking down on the finest Kmarts, the finest empty parking lots..." (Kenan, 08:22)

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3. The Future of Audi Fast Wagons

09:00–11:56

• Spy Shots: New plug-in hybrid and fully electric RS6/RS5 wagons spotted testing, creating confusion about the model’s future powertrain.
• Debate: Mixed signals from Audi—are the next-gen fast wagons plug-in, electric, or both?
• Wagon Culture: Excitement tempered by a sense of loss for the “subtle” era of powerful wagons.
• Notable Quotes:
  • "We do know that there will be some sort of fast Audi wagons coming...Sad that we finally get these fast Audi wagons and it's the plug-in hybrid era." (Kenan, 10:59)
  • "Remember when the wagons were subtle?" (Kenan, 11:30)

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4. Are Electric Sports Cars Dead? Porsche’s Gamble

13:02–17:59

• Porsche’s Position: Despite market skepticism, Porsche is moving forward with electric sports cars. Quotes from company execs emphasize confidence.
• Challenges: Weight and range are concerns for enthusiasts. Skepticism about whether enthusiasts will embrace EV sports cars.
• The “Nucleus” Sports Car Theory: Kenan proposes the Cayman GT4 embodies the ‘nucleus’—the purest, most central form of a driver’s sports car. Any deviation indicates a specific preference or compromise.
• Debates: Are EV sports cars for real enthusiasts? Is character being lost from flat-sixes to turbo fours to full EVs?
• Notable Quotes:
  • "Porsche does have a general history of kind of saying, we are right, we know we are right, we are doing this..." (Kenan, 15:49)
  • "If you've made any enthusiast automotive decision that isn't a Cayman GT4, you have strayed from the automotive sports car nucleus." (Kenan, 18:19)
  • "Any sports car decision...says something about you that you have elected not to get a Cayman GT4." (Kenan, 19:28)

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5. The Durango V8’s Bizarre State-by-State Limits

21:40–25:58

• News: The revived Dodge Durango is V8-only, but most trims can’t be sold in 17 CARB states due to emissions regulations.
• Sales Maps: Discussion on how political geography and state rules interact with demand for “muscle SUVs.”
• Used Car Issues: Restrictions can make selling across state lines complicated.
• Notable Quotes:
  • "It's been a long time since a major manufacturer has sold the majority of a model trims not in only 33 of the 50 states." (Filippo, 24:32)
  • "When they become used cars, this becomes a significant problem..." (Filippo, 24:54)

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6. Electric Door Handles: Design Over Function

25:59–32:29

• Tesla Investigation: NHTSA may look into Model Y/3 door handles trapping children inside due to failed electric releases.
• Broader Problem: Other brands (e.g., Mercedes, Lucid) have gone to electric handles, irritating users, introducing reliability and safety concerns.
• Banter: Old-school mechanical handles are still the best, and the innovation is called out as pointless and “gimmicky.”
• Notable Quotes:
  • "It's just like—the door handle worked for 120 years." (Doug, 29:14)
  • "There are a few things that we as a society should be like Kenan on, where we just draw the line and say this was perfected." (Filippo, 29:55)

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7. AMG’s Enigmatic “Batman vs Superman” Identity Crisis

33:47–37:27

• Corporate Messaging: AMG management offers confusing “Batman vs Superman” analogy for the brand’s desired identity.
• Interpretation: AMG wants to be seen as edgy and dangerous (“Batman”) rather than safe and boring (“Superman”)—but their own team is internally divided on how far is too far.
• Humor: Hosts mock the analogy’s awkwardness, especially its odd invocation of "your daughter."
• Notable Quotes:
  • "Batman is the one who is too dangerous for your daughter...We want to be the dangerous son-in-law. Superman is the nice son-in-law." (Kenan quoting AMG, 34:18)
  • "But the lineup is plenty Batman today. And some are too Batman." (Filippo, 36:28)

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8. Lamborghini Pregunta: The Forgotten Ugly Supercar for Sale

37:30–39:14

• News: The one-off Lamborghini Pregunta, a 1990s concept built on a Diablo, is up for sale (previously at the Lamborghini museum).
• Design: The car’s looks are widely panned (“all the pictures are kind of dark—probably good.”)
• Insight: Lamborghini’s strange design direction under Chrysler, pre-Audi takeover.
• Notable Quotes:
  • "They screw up everything...But I will say most Lamborghini names are Spanish, as is Pregunta." (Kenan/Filippo, 37:53)
  • "I just, I didn't know it existed...It's a weird car." (Doug, 38:36; Kenan, 39:40)

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9. Doug’s Countach: The Mysterious Leak

39:57–43:39

• Anecdote: Doug discovers his Lamborghini Countach is leaking oil/fluid from the front, sparking armchair diagnostics about possible causes.
• Ownership Philosophy: Doug underscores his “drive it, not just display it” approach—vowing to service the car only as needed, not obsessively.
• Notable Quotes:
  • "The point is the Countach is leaking. I'm going to finally have to service it, which I've been dreading for...almost two years." (Kenan, 41:05)
  • "I think you've gotten lucky with how—I mean, it was—George Evans knows what he was doing." (Doug, 43:05)

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10. Content Creator Embargo Rant (Mustang GTD Example)

43:49–47:31

• Inside Baseball: Rant about automaker video embargo times—Doug advocates for noon ET releases rather than 6am, based on years of YouTube analytics experience.
• Neat Easter Egg: Same Palm Springs parking garage appears in both Mustang GTD and Bronco Raptor reviews.
• Notable Quotes:
  • "If you're an automaker and you're watching this...do not make your embargoes 6am Eastern, ever." (Kenan, 45:31)
  • "It allows the east coast people to see it at lunchtime and carries your story throughout the afternoon. It allows the west coast people to get it right in the morning. That is the time you want to go live." (Kenan, 46:00)

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11. Ugliest Car Ever? The Fiat Multipla, Platypus Edition

52:32–56:51

• Discussion: Friend Nick’s acquisition of a Fiat Multipla—often crowned “ugliest car ever”—sparks debate about utility vs design.
• Kenan’s Take: The Multipla’s design is purposeful, not ugly; it achieves remarkable packaging with three-across seating.
• Platypus Analogy: A hilarious visual comparison to animal photos ensues.
• Notable Quotes:
  • "If you simply Google ugliest cars and go to Google images, the first car is the Multipla!" (Doug, 52:47)
  • "The Multipla is a vehicle that is just eminently practical. It's all about practicality..." (Filippo, 53:22)
  • "It legitimately looks like...a platypus." (Kenan, 54:16)

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12. Miata & the “Nucleus” of Sports Cars Theory—A Love Letter

57:27–61:17

• Drive Review: Kenan and Doug gush over the ND2 Miata, declaring it potentially the greatest enthusiast car currently sold.
• Reinforcement of Nucleus Theory: ND2 Miata and GT4 cited as the only true “nucleus” cars—no ego, all focus.
• Notable Quotes:
  • "ND2 is amazing. If I had those two cars [ND2 & GT4], I wouldn't even need friends." (Kenan, 58:22)
  • "I truly believe this is the best Miata ever made." (Kenan, 59:28)

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Audience Q&A (Key Questions & Insights)

Most questions begin at 62:08.

• Modded vs OEM Special Models (63:40–65:19)

  • Buying a GT350R and modding it gets you most of a GTD, but “rarity and specialness” matter just as much as performance.
  • "If you have to explain it, that's when it starts to lose its coolness to someone else." (Doug, 64:03)

• Enthusiast Brand Reputations (66:33–69:06)

  • Mazda called out for sporty reputation based on Miata, while most of its line is ordinary crossovers. Honda also named for previous enthusiast cred that no longer matches its lineup.
  • "They've convinced enthusiasts and journalists that their cars are somehow really sporty. The CX90 is just a Big crossover." (Kenan, 68:05)

• Cars You’d Skip the Manual In (75:25–77:24)

  • Sometimes, a manual does NOT make the driving experience better (CLK Black Series, trucks, some commuter cars).

• Tracking Your Own Valuable Cars (77:24–79:09)

  • The group admits that while they occasionally take their special cars to the track, actual hard driving is limited by “fear of wrecking something too valuable.”

• Car Recommendations Gone Wrong (79:09–83:17)

  • Doug and Filippo explain their philosophies for advising friends/family—and how most end up with a CR-V anyway.

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Memorable Moments & Notable Quotes

• "Styled for a purpose." (Filippo defending the Multipla, 56:35)
• "The thing about cars is we can always make fun of them." (Kenan, 56:36)
• "That's our pod...Best pod we've ever done. Goodbye." (Doug, 83:51)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

| Topic | Start Time | |------------------------------------------|------------| | Jaguar Land Rover Cyberattack | 00:39 | | Ford HQ Move | 04:58 | | Audi Plug-In/Electric Wagon Confusion | 09:00 | | Durango V8 Emissions Drama | 21:40 | | Tesla & Electric Door Handle Rant | 25:59 | | Porsche EV Sports Car Scepticism/Nucleus | 13:02 / 18:03 | | AMG “Batman vs Superman” Identity Crisis | 33:47 | | Lamborghini Pregunta For Sale | 37:30 | | Doug’s Countach Leak | 39:57 | | Embargo Rant (Mustang GTD Example) | 43:49 | | Fiat Multipla Debate | 52:32 | | ND Miata as “Nucleus” | 57:27 | | Q&A | 62:08 |

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Episode Tone

Witty, irreverent, and deeply enthusiastic about all things automotive, with a friendly dose of inside jokes, good-natured ribbing, and expert analysis. A genuine “hang out” with skilled car obsessives who love to dissect industry trends and personal passions alike.

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For listeners who missed the show, this episode brings together major industry news, colorful opinions, and the kind of grounded car chat only Doug DeMuro and friends can deliver.

Transcript

[Filippo]

Mike and Alyssa are always trying to outdo each other.

[Doug]

When Alyssa got a small water bottle, Mike showed up with a 4 liter jug. When Mike started gardening, Alyssa started beekeeping.

[Filippo]

Oh, come on.

[Doug]

They called a truce for their holiday.

[Kenan]

And used Expedia trip planner to collaborate.

[Filippo]

On all the details of their trip.

[Doug]

Once there, Mike still did more laps around the pool.

[Kenan]

Whatever.

[Filippo]

You were made to outdo your holidays.

[Kenan]

We were made to help organize the competition.

[Filippo]

Expedia made to travel.

[Kenan]

Hello and welcome to this car pie. I am Kenan.

[Filippo]

I'm Filippo.

[Kenan]

Let's start with the news. First story is a great one.

[Filippo]

All right. You're familiar with Jaguar Land Rover?

[Kenan]

I know them well. I know Land Rover. I don't know about you.

[Filippo]

They vaguely sell cars. They're all under the same.

[Kenan]

Land Rover sells cars.

[Filippo]

They have had a cyber attack about two weeks ago that has impacted operations. For the last two weeks, they have not built a single car. Their factory is shut down since the beginning of September and. And it may stay shut down through at least November and possibly a little.

[Kenan]

Longer through the end of the year.

[Doug]

So Jaguars on hiatus on their ski trip. They have what is the equivalent of a snow day, so nothing's getting better.

[Kenan]

So the people are saying, let's go down to the pub. Say it in a British way.

[Doug]

Let's go down to the pub.

[Filippo]

Oh, wow.

[Doug]

That's good point, isn't it?

[Filippo]

Yeah, but they can't build any Range Rovers, Any Land Rover products, Any Jaguars. Not that they were going to. They have been helped thus far by having insane amounts of inventory, not building any cars. Has it impacted them yet?

[Kenan]

Right. Turns out I'm reading between the lines here that you think that there's a. There's. There's more to the story. No. You think the cyber attack came from within.

[Filippo]

No.

[Kenan]

No.

[Filippo]

Cyberattack did not come from within.

[Kenan]

Is coming from inside.

[Filippo]

What a conspiracy. It is, by the way, their second cyber attack this year. That has impedion.

[Kenan]

But, oh, inventory's piled up again. Let's do another cyber attack.

[Filippo]

Maybe they might get some insurance money. Actually, it might work out. British.

[Doug]

I'm trying to pick a different British accent.

[Filippo]

Yeah, please do.

[Doug]

Oh, well, we'll do a cyber attack.

[Filippo]

Nice and sneaky. Cyber attack. Nice. No, but the shutdowns may cost them about $3.5 billion in revenues. That's 12, 13% of their annual revenue.

[Kenan]

Well, sure.

[Filippo]

I mean, from this. You shut down production for three to four months.

[Kenan]

Yeah.

[Filippo]

The concern is a couple years ago there was a large cyber attack on CDK which is like a large dealer software says in the US and really impacted sales in the US Cyber attack on their manufacturer that's impacted their manufacturing. They're rebuilding all their systems from the ground up. Concern is, will we see more and more and more of these. But in the meantime, no real concern because, well, it's not a bad thing.

[Kenan]

Or attack poor Jaguar land.

[Filippo]

I know it's a tough one to cyber attack.

[Kenan]

They make it in great cars in Slovakia and other countries sometimes including.

[Filippo]

They shut down production in the UK I think production. Some other plants.

[Kenan]

Oh, Slovakia. The defenders still don't. They might still be on the evoke. You know, I posit this.

[Filippo]

Which would be tragic if they built fewer of those.

[Kenan]

I posit this. I mean, that if the cyber attackers just drove a convertible Evoke, they would take their attack away. They would say, you know what? I'm sorry, we didn't mean it. We're unattacking you. Now do that, but in a Russian.

[Filippo]

Because we assume if you give us.

[Doug]

Range Rover, we will slow down.

[Filippo]

If you are a cyber attacker, you have one of two goals. One is to steal data that is valuable. That happened in the first cyber attack. They were under this earlier this year in this cyber. Or the second goal is that you get paid a ransom to just recover it. I think they hoped that by going after a middling automaker, the automaker would be more willing to pay the ransom money than rebuild their systems. And they were wrong.

[Kenan]

The Range Rover, the full size, which this isn't. Or maybe it is. That's a sport, right? Is the finest vehicle on sale today.

[Filippo]

It's a great vehicle.

[Kenan]

Middling automaker.

[Doug]

Middling automaker.

[Filippo]

Okay. You gotta combine it with Jaguar. You gotta take the average.

[Doug]

True. Yeah.

[Kenan]

You wonder if Jaguar is gonna just kind of.

[Filippo]

Well, there's a fear that to make up.

[Kenan]

Yeah, we got a cyber. Let's just. You know what? I.

[Doug]

It has to end somehow to make up.

[Kenan]

It's like it's getting dark. You're still playing baseball, but then, you know, you, like. You, like, trip and you skin your knee and it's like, you know, I'm just gonna stop to make up the.

[Filippo]

$5 million a day in profit that this impacts. $5 million a day that they, in theory, will lose out on. They will probably need to cut R and D costs and cut costs other places. And maybe, maybe they'll be. Then.

[Kenan]

It is a pretty crazy situation that this happens. Obviously. Big, big difficulty for Jaguar Land Rover. Amazing that it could potentially send them offline for 23 months. And of course, every other automaker out there has got to be sitting and wondering, are we next? Remember the NBC Universal one? Like, large, massive companies are not immune to, like, real attacks that enormous disruptions in their production legitimately. Although we make fun of Jaguar and sometimes of Land Rover, we obviously hope that this. That they are recovered and that we move on.

[Filippo]

Yes. And we are not pro cyberattack. I want to be really clear. We want to take a stand today.

[Kenan]

Except for Kennan's Russian voice.

[Filippo]

Yeah, we're pro.

[Kenan]

Okay, give us our next news story. Yes, Ford has announced in a very convoluted press release. I read the press release, and I simply couldn't understand what they were trying to come across. They're replacing their new headquarters with a new headquarters that's three miles to the west. That was not mentioned in the press release, by the way.

[Filippo]

The distance or there being a new headquarters.

[Kenan]

The press release was very uncertain about whether the new headquarters was on the same site as the current headquarters or in Timbuktu. It really. Pull it up. No, no, I believe you. I challenge you to find some of the information that I'm about to tell you. They are going to tear down this, which is called something like the window room. It's actually called the glass house, but I prefer the window room.

[Doug]

Window room.

[Kenan]

And they're gonna have a new headquarters that. The one thing I took from the press release is, that did make sense and was clear is that Ford is trying to create a campus that makes them more like a modern.

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[Kenan]

And they literally said in the press release, a modern tech company, like, getting away from cars being, like, the only thing, and, like, onto tech, like, and you think about Apple's campus with the giant circle and Facebook's campus that used to be Yahoo or whatever, like you or Sun, Microsoft, whatever it was where they have the sign. You still. You think about these things and you think about, okay, this is where they want to go. And there's pictures of, like, the renderings are, like, people walking next to, like, reeds and bamboo and, like, a path that curves with, like, benches that don't have legs, you know?

[Filippo]

Yeah, totally.

[Kenan]

However, one of the drawbacks that I don't think Ford has realized is that the campus is still in southeastern Michigan. So they're trying to be a tech company. But unfortunately, you see the problem.

[Filippo]

I do.

[Kenan]

They did say that the new headquarters is gonna. Million zillion more seats. It's gonna. It's like 14,000 employee capacity versus, like.

[Filippo]

It'S a 14,000 employee capacity within a 15 minute walk of the main building.

[Kenan]

I noticed that and that I didn't understand. And that I'm curious about, you know.

[Filippo]

How like high schools in Southern California have trailers.

[Kenan]

You think there's gonna be like that? Yeah, just sort of like on a. More grandiose. Yeah, yeah, that was a little odd. So there's, there's like. There's like walks and buildings, which is why company campuses, sort of the drawback is that it's cold there.

[Filippo]

That's an interesting point.

[Doug]

Yes. They're picturing people just riding bicycles around, living in peace like you are.

[Kenan]

That's what the rendering showed.

[Doug]

And then. Yeah. And they forget about February.

[Kenan]

Do you think they'll drop January or March? December?

[Filippo]

Do you think they'll use the Think Ford, Shelby.

[Kenan]

Jim Farley. If you're not the high bidder on that Ford, think whatever neighbor.

[Doug]

They made a bicycle as well back in the day. My grandfather had one.

[Kenan]

I remember that picture of Jacques Nassar on the stage riding the Ford bicycle at some show before he was fired for consolidating a bunch of brands for dinner.

[Doug]

I've ridden one. Unbelievably heavy.

[Kenan]

Was it electric?

[Doug]

Yeah, it was like a huge battery.

[Filippo]

Is this new campus built? Every press release only has pictures of the glass house.

[Kenan]

The press release implied that it is built and they're just waiting on landscaping. But there are no photos of it. So my assumption is that it is not built. However, they say they're going to move in like this year. The whole thing. I'm telling you, read the press release stuff. Nonetheless, the point is for dismissing the headquarters, they're staying in Dearborn and presumably Jim Farley will still have an office up there.

[Filippo]

No, no. They said in the press release that they are co locating leadership, design and engineering teams.

[Kenan]

Let me tell you something. You have a top level corner office in Dearborn. You're looking down on the finest Kmarts, the finest empty parking lots that used to be a Kmart known to man.

[Doug]

Yep, that's the Canadian geese.

[Kenan]

A greater compilation. A greater compilation of dry cleaners and strip mall daycares you will not find than from the floor office of this place.

[Filippo]

First move in 70 years. It's a new era for Ford.

[Kenan]

New era for Ford is what probably.

[Filippo]

The press release says.

[Kenan]

And they're going to make a lot of those Capris.

[Filippo]

Nice.

[Kenan]

Yeah. It's the Capri, right, that they sell in Europe?

[Filippo]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Kenan]

Okay, give us our next one.

[Doug]

Oh, spy shot.

[Filippo]

We talked last week, the week prior, sometime recently about how there were spy shots of a plug in hybrid RS6 at the Nurburgring or undergoing testing. Yeah, right. And originally we, we all thought, we collectively being wagon enthusiasts.

[Kenan]

Yeah.

[Filippo]

Thought that the next generation Rs6 would be electric. It would be an E TRON Rs6. Did you think that?

[Kenan]

I thought they said it was plug in hybrid.

[Filippo]

No, no. They originally said it's gonna be electric. Then they, we saw the shots of it being having tailpipes. So they're like, okay, it's gonna be plug in hybrid. There were rumors that the electric version was dead. This is the electric version testing. That was also spied.

[Kenan]

So there's a question as to whether the newer will be electric or plug in hybrid or both.

[Filippo]

It might be.

[Kenan]

I thought we had already talked about the fact that it was my thing of something else because the BMW is plug in hybrid.

[Filippo]

Here's the timeline. Everybody thought it was gonna be electric. Then we saw the plug in hybrid version and there's a rumor that the electric was dead. But now we've seen an electric version testing too.

[Kenan]

So we're not really sure what's going on.

[Filippo]

Yeah. But maybe the Rs5 and the Rs6 to match.

[Kenan]

I would also submit to you that I am almost certain they will be doing an RS5 wagon and then an A5S5 wagon and then an RS5 wagon will also be made and will come to the United States which we will be the first Rs4 avant in the US which would also be.

[Filippo]

Okay, this. The odd numbers are gas and the even numbers are electric. Maybe.

[Kenan]

Yes, that is in theory, that was their plan. But I thought they were walking that back.

[Filippo]

Who knows. So maybe It'll be the R6 and the R7. There are five and R6. People that have studied the spy shots in depth believe that they're about the same size. But the RS, the S5 and the the A5 and the A6 are similar size. Like who knows?

[Kenan]

Yeah, the A5 and the A6 Are similar size. Although when I see them, you can really tell that one is electric and one's not. Like there's. It has an electric car look to it. The aura, however, this is interesting.

[Filippo]

This photo is of the plug in hybrid version.

[Kenan]

This is the plug in hybrid, I think. I would assume. But although half vent will need some cooling, right?

[Doug]

Yeah, but that, you know.

[Filippo]

But there are other photos that don't have that same intake where there's. Where the intake is covered up differently that we believe to be electric.

[Kenan]

We don't know what's happening. We do Know that there will be some sort of fast Audi wagons coming. The RS Avant has been a big success. I have absolutely no doubt there will be either an RS5 Avant or, or a new electric RS6 Avant or both. Sad that we finally get these fast Audi wagons and it's the plug in hybrid era.

[Filippo]

Like, I'm fine with V10M5.

[Kenan]

Where was the V10RS6? Why are you not five? Because they weigh 12,000 pounds and have 1,000 horsepower. That's not what we wanted. We wanted a V10M5 with 500 horse that we could own under warranty that.

[Doug]

You could put a dog in the back of, you have a schnauzer catcher, the whole thing.

[Kenan]

And now we get 900 horse and it weighs 8,400 pounds and costs $190,000. And it's like, okay, thank you. And the look of these cars has gotten completely out of hand too. Remember when the wagons were subtle?

[Filippo]

The E53 wagon, where pricing was released a week or two ago and it's under 100k is kind of appealing because plug in hybrid, not quite as insane.

[Kenan]

Have you seen the wheels? The wheels are so big.

[Filippo]

Well, you can, you can downsize.

[Kenan]

I don't know if you can. They get brakes, get all that stuff. Anyway, I'm excited for whatever this is. Truly excited, but interested in seeing what happens next.

[Filippo]

More wagons. Better.

[Kenan]

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[Doug]

Yeah. So on the topic of evs. Porsche recently came out and their director, the president who's in charge, the vice president in charge of the 911 and the 718 project said that they don't feel that they're making a mistake with it going electric. They feel. They said that I think it is really not the wrong decision. Now that I thought this was interesting because you know the market seems to not be pleased about.

[Filippo]

There haven't been any in the market.

[Kenan]

I don't know how electric sports cars that have failed i8 original Tesla Roadster.

[Filippo]

Plug in hybrid and before too early.

[Kenan]

You're right. If the electric that there have been.

[Filippo]

No electric.

[Kenan]

Mid market Pinfreen but there.

[Filippo]

Might be the man that we just don't know about.

[Kenan]

Yeah, no I, I don't think that's true. I think there's a. By the way, I can give you other. How about. How about sporty versions of regular cars? Rs, E, Tron, gt Taycan, great deals.

[Filippo]

Used.

[Doug]

The direct quote that they gave was you could be, you could be aware that this car is going to be really, really brilliant because it's light, powerful and it has a combination of a two, two door sports car. Believe me, it's going to be good. They were like begging journalists to believe that it's going to be good, which I'm sure it will be true in its own right.

[Filippo]

To first to be light, the battery pack's got to be small. The range can be tiny.

[Kenan]

Well light is a relight relative to other.

[Doug]

Relative relative to the new M5.

[Kenan]

The new the. The Audi S6 is £6,400. This is going to be only £4,900.

[Doug]

That's light.

[Filippo]

Can I say something? I also read that press release. The person saying all this is the guy in charge of the 718 product and presumably he wants a job.

[Doug]

Yes.

[Filippo]

And like he's been told certainly by.

[Kenan]

Corporate like we are not 911 and 718.

[Filippo]

I thought it was just 718.

[Doug]

So 911 and 70. Now of course he may want a job. If these don't sell, might be hard to get a job.

[Kenan]

This is a rendering from Autocar. Porsche still has not shown this car despite the fact that Audi has shown basically what we consider to be their version in concept form. But Germans don't think big when it comes to concept cars. You get a pretty good idea of what's going to happen from basically any German concept car. You should see the A2 concept car. Look it up. It was called, it was called a 2 concept car. It was called the I'll just look like this.

[Filippo]

That is just.

[Kenan]

None of these.

[Doug]

Is it, Is that it?

[Kenan]

It's this. It's this.

[Filippo]

That is just an A2.

[Kenan]

It's called the AI something aluminum and that's just an A2. So that's how they do either the famous Boxster concept.

[Doug]

But you know, I was thinking about this also. You know, Porsche is debatably one of the most stubborn companies there. For instance, the 911 came out way back in the 60s and feel like you put the engine in the wrong place and they're like, no. And they then pursued that. So maybe they feel the same way about this as history has emboldened them to do this.

[Kenan]

Porsche does have a general history of kind of saying, we are right, we know we are right, we are doing this and it's going to work. And the problem, there are some companies and people for whom that has been true and it has worked.

[Filippo]

And.

[Kenan]

In some cases that's true of Porsche. I'm not entirely convinced this will work. However, we get a car that looks good, we get a car that drives well, we get the fake shifting. You could see a world in which it happens.

[Doug]

You could see a world. But we'll hold reservation. However, I have a feeling, as they have said, but we are considering a hybrid maybe.

[Kenan]

This podcast has been very critical of the possibility of electric sports cars, including this. I have not including canceling. I have and will continue to be after driving the MG Cyberster. Which was excellent.

[Doug]

Which was excellent.

[Kenan]

No one would mistake for an excellent sport like a true competitor to A.

[Filippo]

Well, MG's never made a great sports car.

[Kenan]

And by the way, I do want to say, in case the dear leader is watching, it was great. For God's sake, don't, don't keep cutting off Kenan's toes.

[Doug]

I like them where they are.

[Kenan]

No, but, but I, I, we've been, we, we've been critical and I think a lot of enthusiasts have been critical of EV sports cars. I think the enthusiasts generally feel there is a place for electric cars. However, electric sports cars don't necessarily have such a place. And this will be like the first real test. I'm still very skeptical. But you know what else I remain skeptical critical of?

[Filippo]

4 cylinder base PDK, Caymans, so. Or 7 at.

[Kenan]

I just disagree with that. One of the, one of the most fun experiences I ever had in my entire life in a car. When I was working at Porsche, I took my 997 to the dealer for service and they Gave me a base Boxster. The only.

[Filippo]

No, no, but that's still a flat six. That's fine.

[Kenan]

And I rang that car out. I don't think the four cylinder kills it that much. I like the 718.

[Filippo]

Means broad understanding that that four cylinder is way less characterful than the flat six was. And if you may, you're gonna remove character.

[Kenan]

You may as well make it. Yeah, but this is like the 458 F8 thing. Like, we complained about the F8 when I went to a Turbo V8, and. But if an electric one came out, we would be begging for the F8. We'd be like, oh, God, please, F8 come back.

[Filippo]

I hope that I hear that, because I think it will. Porsche makes fun to drive cars, and I don't see why that would change.

[Kenan]

That is a great car.

[Filippo]

Well, that's also a flat six.

[Doug]

Flat six.

[Kenan]

Do you want to hear my Cayman GT4 theory? Okay. No. I'm gonna give you my Cayman GT4 theory. We're doing it right now. I developed this theory last week at dinner, and I've refined it, and it's beautiful. Now, here's my Cayman GT4 theory. Kenan is gonna continue.

[Doug]

I'm listening.

[Kenan]

The Cayman GT4, that vehicle is the sports car.

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[Kenan]

And it is the nucleus, that for which all sports cars are. And if you've made any enthusiast automotive decision that isn't a Cayman GT4, you have strayed from the automotive sports car nucleus. Do you understand? Yes.

[Filippo]

Give us an example.

[Kenan]

So if, for example, like my courier GT Cayman GT4 is the nucleus, career GT is out over here, and the type of person who does that has an ego and wants a hypercar, they should just have a Cayman GT4. The presupposition here is that all sports car drivers should have a Cayman GT4. But anything you choose outside that realm, it says something about you that you have elected not to get a Cayman GT4. You have looked at the best, and you have made it. It's not necessarily that you've chosen a worse car. It's just that, like, you want an old car or you want a cheaper car. You want a cheaper car, but you. You know at your heart that the nucleus, the best option is the Cayman GT4.

[Filippo]

Single best.

[Kenan]

It sits at the nucleus.

[Filippo]

Right. The neutral option there is.

[Kenan]

That's right. It's almost like the neutral, perfect sports car. And no sports car that you choose can ever be chosen, because better is the only reason. Over a Cayman GT4, there is instead, like, you want something softer, you Want something with four seats, all that stuff, totally acceptable. But the Nucleus car is the Cayman.

[Doug]

GT4, not the Miata.

[Kenan]

So when we look at Canon.

[Doug]

No, I think you picked the wrong car. That's what I was saying. I think some people. I like that. But some would say that having a flashy red Porsche is kind of flexing.

[Kenan]

Doesn't have to be red, folks. Okay, all right, Interesting point. However, I would say, fine, I'll do a two price point Nucleus. At this price point, it's the Cayman GT4. At the lower price point, it's the ND3, specifically two. And that's it. Those are your two nucleus cars. And what if the decision you've made beyond there says something about you? I like this in a way that isn't necessarily bad. Like I look at Kennan. Kennan has his M5. That's because Kennan, he could have got a Nucleus car. He wants more practicality, he wants more analog. He is maybe a BMW enthusiast. That's what it says.

[Filippo]

Nothing wrong with that.

[Kenan]

But we know that he has strayed the core.

[Filippo]

I support this fully.

[Doug]

Well, yeah. What about the Boxster Spider? Is that just the same?

[Kenan]

No, no. That says about you that you also agree that Cayman GT4 is the core, but you want something open and you want something a little softer because the Boxster Spider has softer sprung.

[Doug]

Only on the. I think that only applies to the 981.

[Kenan]

And so you're sitting there thinking, I want softer, I want convertibler, and I know the perfect car is the Cayman GT4, but that's what I want. And so that tells you that you're straying. Not in a bad way, just that you're straying. So any sports car decision, for instance, you get a C5 Corvette, we know maybe you're a little more boomery.

[Filippo]

Right? Right.

[Kenan]

Filippo, the Cayman GT4 nucleus theory. You heard it on this podcast, first.

[Filippo]

And only Here, let me tell you why.

[Kenan]

When Johnny Lieberman tries to co opt this theory as his own. All right, you remember where you heard it on September, the whatever.

[Filippo]

Okay. I like this theory. I'm supportive.

[Kenan]

I appreciate that. Thank you so much. Thank you so much.

[Doug]

Moving on.

[Filippo]

All right, if you chose a Durango, what does that say about you?

[Kenan]

If you chose a Durango, it says that you're probably a little bit more like you've gone hunting in the last couple weeks, let's put it that way. All right. You've spent time in a hunting blind this month.

[Filippo]

Depending when you listen. Yeah. Okay. All right. So the Durango's back. You guys know this. We thought it was then the Durango, it's back. And it's only V8.

[Kenan]

Yeah.

[Filippo]

There are three V8s offered.

[Kenan]

Yeah.

[Filippo]

There's a 5, 7 liter.

[Kenan]

Yeah.

[Filippo]

In the GT, there is the 6.4 liter in the RT. And then the Hellcat has this, I think supercharged 6.4 liter, something like that. They have different outputs, only V8s. The V6 is gone. No Pentastar in this Durango. But two of those models are not legal in the 17 states that follow carb regulations.

[Kenan]

Well, can I just. Can I just make a point here?

[Filippo]

So that is to say, by the way, only I don't want. GT is available in every state the other ones are available in. Only I'm not.

[Kenan]

I'm not sitting here trying to get political, but can you pull up a map of the carb states? No. And, and, and then at the same time, can you pull up a map of the 2024 president, 17 states? No, you got to type in carb states. And then at the same time, can you pull up a map of the 2024 presidential election? I have a. Oh, my God. What was going.

[Doug]

We've upset the.

[Kenan]

I have a suspicion, and I'm just gonna throw it out there, that this is. Let's just say this isn't going to be a problem.

[Filippo]

I don't. Okay, I would agree with you, except for a couple of things.

[Kenan]

Who buy supercharged V8 Durangos and the type of people who live in Minnesota, New York, Vermont and Oregon. That's not a cross over there.

[Filippo]

No.

[Kenan]

Okay.

[Filippo]

Nevada, first of all. That's where most of them are sold. And then followed by Long island, where the rest of them are sold, and. And Northeast Philadelphia, where the rest of them are sold.

[Kenan]

There are some places on here, like central Virginia, that'll be disappointed. But by the way, the Arizona and Florida are on here as repealed carb states. So I want to be clear. This is a map.

[Filippo]

But like, here's the thing where they.

[Kenan]

Don'T sell V8 Durango.

[Filippo]

The Durango Hellcat and the Durango R or whatever it's called, have a lot of overlap and a lot of crossover with Republican conservative areas in otherwise liberal states.

[Kenan]

They do. Hawaii is a carb state.

[Filippo]

I thought. Not according to this map. States that are on this map, by the way, for people listening, Washington, Oregon, California, Nevada, New Mexico, Colorado, just all.

[Kenan]

The states that biden the entire Northeast.

[Filippo]

Except for New Hampshire.

[Kenan]

Except. Yeah, except for New Hampshire, which says a lot, by the way. You Know who's. You know who lucks out here is people in Illinois and Michigan, which are Democrat states. But because of their. Presumably because of their manufacturing situation, they have not passed carb, so they still get to drive their big older.

[Filippo]

I think Hawaii just doesn't.

[Kenan]

I think Hawaii is a car.

[Filippo]

It is not based on every article, but they don't care regardless. It's interesting. It's been a long time since a major manufacturer has sold the majority of a model Trims not in. In only 33 of the 50 states. You see what you saw with EVS for a while where they were only sold in. In the car.

[Kenan]

But it wasn't a legality.

[Filippo]

No. It was just. That's where they sold.

[Kenan]

It was because CARB had a requirement that an automaker had to have a full EV in order to sell. Yep. And those cars could be sold out of state. What people don't realize. We joke about this, but what people don't realize is these cars, when they become used cars, this becomes a significant problem because you try to get it into one of these states, and in a lot of cases, you can't. So, like, if you buy a Durango Hellcat in Georgia and then you sell it to a guy in Richmond, he might not be able to register.

[Filippo]

Yeah. I will say Dodge has said that they're trying to update their engines to make them Carp compliant. They're trying to work with CARB to change this for the 6.2 liter, which is in the Hellcat engine and the 6.4 liter.

[Doug]

It feels like we're living in the 70s. The cars won't.

[Kenan]

In a lot of ways, it's gonna happen.

[Filippo]

It's going to be a recurring theme, I suspect.

[Kenan]

Anyway, tough news for those of us in California and other states where we want our Hellcat Durango.

[Filippo]

Okay. I think you can still buy the one from two years ago.

[Kenan]

You could buy them used, but they're expensive. What about Trackhawks? Oh, those are off the market because.

[Doug]

There'S a new Grand Cherokee and those are.

[Filippo]

Those are not.

[Kenan]

Those are crazy money.

[Filippo]

Okay, next news story.

[Doug]

Ooh, a door handle.

[Kenan]

A door handle.

[Doug]

Must be Felipe.

[Kenan]

Sure.

[Filippo]

This is a Tesla door handle. I think this is a Model 3 picture. But we're talking about the Model Y specifically. Tesla door handles, especially vibes. The 2021 Model Y specifically is under NHTSA investigation. Or they might be opening an investigation because it's trapping occupants.

[Doug]

Here's what's happening happen, okay.

[Filippo]

In the. In the Model 3 Model Y, as in a lot of other EVs, it's electrically actuated. The door handle doesn't actually open the door. Right, right. It's like an electric release.

[Kenan]

Yep.

[Filippo]

But it becomes a problem if the low voltage battery dies, because then that doesn't work. And there have been a few cases around the country where children have been trapped inside as a result of this because they can't use the, like, manual in the interior. There's a manual override. You can get out, out. And if you look at how you do that in a model Y front seat, it's easy. There's like a lever you pull. You can get out.

[Kenan]

I don't think there is a way to do it.

[Filippo]

There is. You need to remove the trim around. Around, like the. Like the. The door handle. And if you remove that, you can get to a switch. Obviously, a young child cannot.

[Kenan]

Yeah. Especially in a car seat or whatever.

[Filippo]

And so there's a concern that they don't have the right redundancies or the right backups to actually do that in some vehicles. And I'm going way too deep in this. Sorry. The Mach, like the Ford Mach E, you can connect, like, an auxiliary battery. If you remove the cowling around the windshield, you can, like, plug in a battery so that you can then open it. That apparently does not.

[Kenan]

All these electric door handles are so bs. I'm gonna tell you an electric door handle story I have, I own personally, a white Mercedes Benz station wagon of some E450 all terrain shout out, by the way, to Travis Okolski, who just bought one.

[Filippo]

One. Really?

[Kenan]

Yeah.

[Filippo]

Wow.

[Kenan]

We're looking over there. He's not here today.

[Filippo]

No.

[Kenan]

I was hoping it's the camera. Okay, so we have one of these. So right now I have the press car of the new one, and I let my wife drive it because she drives the one we have. And I said, hey, you should check this out while we have it. I mean, I have no plans to replace car anytime soon. It's got 30,000 miles. But when we do replace it, it will be with the new station. The new one has these electronic door.

[Filippo]

Yeah. That's annoying.

[Kenan]

It's annoying doesn't even begin to describe it. You walk up to the car and they've closed.

[Filippo]

Right.

[Kenan]

How do you open them? Well, you tap the door handle. Except that locks the doors.

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[Kenan]

Okay, so what now you push the door handle.

[Filippo]

Nothing.

[Kenan]

Push it again. Nothing. Then you like. Okay. You take the key out of your pocket like it's 2016, and then you press the button, and then the door handle pops out and it's like, this is worse. My wife literally said to me, I would not buy this car solely because of the door handle.

[Filippo]

Man, that's real.

[Kenan]

And I don't disagree. It was incredibly annoying filming this because you're like in and out of the car all the time and the door handles just close after a while. Even though the doors are unlocked is.

[Doug]

The manufacturer's reason for this safety. So like, people can't grab onto the door handles and pull it off? Is that what they're saying?

[Kenan]

I think there's a couple things. I think that the Aero is one of them. I think that they like the fact that they can get the door handles snug on the body. If you talk to designers, I think that there's a lot of turbulence with sticky outy door handles. Sure. And so all EV door handles are snug and then they pop out. So that helps. Helps.

[Filippo]

And it's otherwise just realistic decision. Yeah.

[Doug]

It just.

[Kenan]

It's cool to just push a button.

[Doug]

I know I'm gonna sound like I sound, but it's just like the door handle worked for 120 years.

[Kenan]

Right.

[Doug]

And I understand that there's always a need to innovate stuff to be gimmicky, but when you actively like it, the fact. Yeah. And then they fail. Exactly.

[Kenan]

So, like, this isn't just a problem with nine volt batteries. They fail.

[Doug]

And then guess what you need to have as a redundancy.

[Kenan]

See a door handle.

[Doug]

So, like, what have you actually done? You've accomplished little if anything other than turning customers away who don't want it, which your wife just said she wouldn't. So like, I just don't see. There's a lot of stuff like this that bothers me but that it just seems so fit.

[Kenan]

It's like the BMW turn signals. I drove that X1.

[Filippo]

That's so annoying.

[Kenan]

So annoying.

[Filippo]

You did Trishcineral too.

[Kenan]

Just make it work normal.

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[Kenan]

There's a few things that I'm like Canon on which. But I think there are a few things that we as a society should be like Kennen on, where we just draw the line and say this was perfected.

[Filippo]

Right.

[Kenan]

And we don't need to improve it.

[Filippo]

And I. I will say before Tesla people comment in the comments, the Model 3 Model Y door handles are not electronically actuated in that sense. You push in to pull out. So it's not a. But it's different than something.

[Kenan]

But it's not a mechanical. When you pull it. It's still an electronic release.

[Filippo]

But unlike Some others where like they pop out.

[Kenan]

Yeah, that's true.

[Filippo]

And that's what you're complaining about.

[Kenan]

But the Model S has those.

[Filippo]

Yes. There's something else I can say about it. Oh, it is a great way to know which of your neighbors left their car unlocked and who you can steal from. In theory because you stay out.

[Kenan]

In theory. But that E class wagon, they don't stay out. You unlock it. After a few minutes they close again. Which, which is where the problem was caused. And I think that's true of a lot of them now because for that reason they don't want it to be clear that the car is not done.

[Filippo]

Just, just have normal door handles.

[Kenan]

Figure out their normal door handles.

[Doug]

Something analog.

[Kenan]

We agree on any other news from.

[Filippo]

The inside, there's no benefit. You press the button and you.

[Kenan]

It's slightly cooler. I'm in the lucid gravity. It's got like a trigger. It's kind of cool.

[Doug]

If you need your door handles to be cooler, if that's what just get.

[Kenan]

A cooler car though. That's what EVs are going to have to do. All these gimmicks to look cool. Because the, the, you know what, stop.

[Doug]

The same stop focusing on the door handles make the cars float.

[Filippo]

I mean, right? I, I would accept that. If the door handles come in for floating reasons, I'd be okay with it. Yeah. Although if they're at the water's at that level, you're in a tough spot. Young people are always asking me how to get to a place where they can afford fun cars. And the truth is it's not just about saving money. It's about building credit too. Because if your credit is bad or non existent, lenders will absolutely crush you with interest rates. And that dream car suddenly costs way more. That's where AVA comes in. AVA is a credit building app that makes it so easy to improve your credit fast so you can get better rates on loans, pay off debt faster and keep more money in your pocket. Getting a secured card can take months, but with AVA you can be approved in just five minutes and get up to $2,500 to pay your existing bills and subscriptions automatically. There's no credit check, no interest and no hidden fees. Just a super simp to build your credit quickly and quietly in the background. And it works. Most members see their credit go up in less than a week because AVA reports your on time payments to all the major credit bureaus every single day. Take control of your credit right now. Download the AVA app that's spelled A VA today. And when you join using my promo code cardpod, your first month is totally free. Get the AVA app and use my promo code carpod so they know you heard it from me. And get your first month with Ava for free. That's promo code carpod Pod thanks to Ava. And now go get yourself good credit.

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[Kenan]

All right, give us the next news story.

[Doug]

Amg.

[Kenan]

So oh my God. I watched, I read this whole news story.

[Doug]

Very confusing. So AMG came out recently and they were saying that they sometimes the Germans just get in their minds they want to do we got to do something. And so and they said we don't want to be be. We want to design new cars and we want to be Batman, not Superman. And they just then they went on a tirade of talking about the differences between.

[Kenan]

That was weird. So they were like Superman.

[Doug]

Superman is like too.

[Kenan]

This is a direct quote from them. Which by the way, you would have been fired in the U.S. yeah, absolutely. Batman is the one who is too dangerous for your daughter. You would have been fired during the Biden era. Batman is the one who is too dangerous for your daughter. We want to be the dangerous son in law. Superman is a little bit like the nice son in law. So they want to be they want your daughter to be kind of like afraid.

[Filippo]

Right.

[Doug]

They want Batman the bad guy. But, but then.

[Kenan]

And it's like, why is my daughter being brought? This is. We're talking about, we're talking about plug in hybrid car.

[Doug]

But then that's the thing. Then the designer who also, you know, works for AMG said that, well, we don't want to be too Batman. So it's like. Which is. And it's just such a weird when.

[Kenan]

We, when a new product is being planned, we asked, is this Batman enough? They did make an interesting point which was AMG customers don't want to buy a Merced.

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[Kenan]

They're not trying to buy a Mercedes. They're trying to buy an amg. Right.

[Doug]

So the whole, the whole point is they want to make them more edgy and more aggressively styled and like that's kind of what they want and cooler. Now I would argue that most AMG cars are kind of that already. That's, you know, been there.

[Kenan]

Especially that turbo four cylinder C class.

[Doug]

Right, Right.

[Kenan]

Well, right.

[Filippo]

Which will, by the way, V6 version is coming.

[Doug]

But never forget the W211 E55AMG commercial of beating the monster out of the house back down into the engine bay. Some would say that's what they've been doing for a while. They should continue that ethos. But I don't. This whole identity crisis is weird. Now they are looking to expand AMG more in China and I think that that's like the targets. They want the cars to be edgy and really cool and appeal to people. However, this was a bizarre train of thought.

[Kenan]

No, I, I think, I think, I agree that it's a little weird, but I think the concept of it is interesting. Like they want, they want the cars to be like amg. They specifically are thinking in this way.

[Filippo]

Well, some of them are right. That all came from the board member in charge of amg. But then the head of design for Mercedes Benz said something very different. Like it must be distinctive. But the lineup is plenty Batman today. And some are too Batman. Like there's just internal disagreement that it's wild. By the way, credit to Eliza Priddle for notor trend for the story. We're taking a lot of this from the story that she wrote. But Batman, Batman or, or not Batman.

[Doug]

Maybe it's already too no Batman, but not two. No, it's not too much.

[Filippo]

Not too much Batman. Someone to Batman. To Batman.

[Doug]

They have just restraint.

[Filippo]

But. But not if you're the board member and start charger of amg then you want more Batman.

[Doug]

No, this is like if Nick were your board member and then you're an actual, like, reasonable person. Has to design. So true. That's what we want.

[Filippo]

Batman.

[Doug]

He's like, your daughter's got to be afraid. All right, let's knock 20 off there, Nick, and calm down.

[Kenan]

All right. But either way, I think it's an interesting. It's an interesting look into how. How they see AMG in the future and how they see AMG today and how they're thinking about it. They want it. Superman is not enough. They don't want to be fast and, like, well put together. They want to be like, a little edgier, which I agree is kind of how it is. But it's nice to. It's interesting to hear them thinking about it that way. Remember the GLA 45 at the Big wing?

[Filippo]

Of course.

[Kenan]

There you go. Batman. Damn. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Batman would have driven that if he was like, if college grad in PR.

[Filippo]

And if they had paid for the product placement in the movie. Movie.

[Kenan]

That's true.

[Doug]

And then, you know when you open the doors and you have the AMG logo, there's your bat logo.

[Kenan]

Yeah.

[Filippo]

Whoa.

[Kenan]

All right, give us the last news story. Is.

[Doug]

Yeah, sort of. This is. This was a weird one. So I didn't know that this car existed. I don't know a lot of these 90s concept cars, but there's a 19. You're a Lamborghini man. There's a 1990s Lamborghini called the.

[Filippo]

The Question, as it were.

[Doug]

The Quest. I made a question which means pregnant.

[Filippo]

The question.

[Kenan]

What is pregnant in Italian?

[Filippo]

Inchinta.

[Kenan]

Oh, my God. They screw up everything.

[Filippo]

But I will say most Lamborghini names are Spanish, as is Priguna.

[Kenan]

Ironically, enchinta means enchanted, so he doesn't know the language. If you're pregnant, you're enchanted.

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[Kenan]

How beautiful Italian does it again.

[Filippo]

So beautiful.

[Kenan]

One thing they didn't do is style this car in a way that looks good.

[Doug]

No. All of the pictures of it are kind of dark. I think that's probably good. But underneath, it's a Diablo. So it still has a 5.7 liter V12, makes 530 horsepower, 446 foot pounds of torque. It's rear wheel drive only, like all early Diablos were. This was built during, like the. The Chrysler era, just before Lamborghini was purchased by Audi. So I think this was the direction they thought they wanted stuff to go in for the new millennium because it is a little more super licky this.

[Kenan]

Is a 25 year old automobile. What is the news component that's for sale? It's for sale. For sale.

[Doug]

I just, I didn't know it existed. I don't know that much about Lamborghini.

[Filippo]

Been at the Lamborghini museum for the last like decade.

[Kenan]

Lamborghini themselves is selling it?

[Filippo]

No, I don't know. It's owned by a collector but it was on display at the Lamborghini museum for the last four years.

[Kenan]

You know who's not going to buy buy it?

[Filippo]

You?

[Kenan]

Lamborghini.

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[Kenan]

They're like, you know we're all set on this one actually. Right.

[Doug]

I was wondering we disavow I guess.

[Kenan]

Yeah.

[Doug]

I wonder if it was like how sometimes GM sells their concept cars, you know they need a little bit of money so they, I wonder just let.

[Kenan]

Stuff go over time so they don't need more. But like there was a period like Chrysler era Lambo concept car was like yeah, we're all set, we don't need this anymore.

[Doug]

But I think it is interesting cuz the again this was actually kind of a departure from the Gandini styling. It doesn't look like the Countach or a wedge but instead Audi for the next then decided it was a pregunta.

[Kenan]

It was a question, it was a pregnant pause if you will.

[Doug]

It was look at these like big things on the doors. It's clear.

[Filippo]

It was clear. They took a Diablo and a, a French like coach builder Hulez built it for this and then owned it for a while.

[Kenan]

Nonetheless, it's a weird car. And we have to move on to the talk car segment. The talk car segment is brought to you this week by Kenan's M5. Oh thanks. M5. 5. What we got to start with the Countach. You want to tell the story currently? Yeah, let's do it. Let's just get. This is today's.

[Doug]

This is hot off the presses. Doug texted us this morning and said something is leaking from the Countach not from the back which is where the engine lives, where all the oil is. All 17.8 liters of it thought nope, it was coming from the front of the car. Now you claim that it was not brake fluid which is the only fluid I could think of that's up there. May have been in I'm guessing. Did you taste it?

[Kenan]

No, I didn't taste it. That's what you do.

[Doug]

How do you, how do you know that?

[Kenan]

Well it felt like engine oil but it didn't seem like engine oil like cuz it's in the front.

[Filippo]

Okay.

[Kenan]

But then someone suggested it's coming from a co. An oil cooler up there. Like a. Some sort of cooling situation in the front. It's probably true. But it is oil coming from. You don't think that's true? There's radiators up there.

[Doug]

There are radiators.

[Kenan]

They cool the oil.

[Doug]

I thought the oil coolers are just mounted in the back and.

[Kenan]

Yeah, probably aren't the radiators in the back.

[Doug]

I thought. Yeah. Cuz you know. No, it's mid engine.

[Kenan]

Yeah. But a lot of mid engine cars.

[Doug]

Yeah, but that's kind of the point of the giant. You know, that's why they have those ears on.

[Kenan]

I haven't even opened it. We just got in.

[Doug]

Yeah, I haven't taken a look at it yet. I will do some investigative work.

[Kenan]

I'm curious. Leaking.

[Filippo]

We'll find out.

[Doug]

I know the brake fluid reservoir is up there and obviously it doesn't have power steering. So it's not that. And it's.

[Kenan]

The point is the Countach is leaking. I'm going to finally have to service it, which I've been dreading for. Since it got back from its last service almost two years ago. It hasn't been touched by a mechanic and I've been driving it a ton. And every day I drive it I'm like a little anxious. Is this going to be the day? And actually I get less and less anxious because it never has been the day. But we are getting to a point now where it just needs an oil change regardless because it's been almost two years.

[Doug]

I'd say in that time only added one liter of oil. That's all it's needed. It really hasn't been burning oil. It doesn't really leak. At least a couple little drops. But for a car of its age.

[Kenan]

That'S got a built motor.

[Filippo]

Motor dude. Right. Can I comment on the fact that you saw an oil leak or a leak? You're like, yeah, I'll drive it anyway.

[Kenan]

Well the couple thing, a couple factors played a role in that. Number one, car smells fine.

[Filippo]

Okay.

[Kenan]

No, but what happened was I actually saw the oil a couple weeks ago and it was. It was pretty small and the G cab had been parked in that spot and I was. And the GCAB is front engine. So I was wondering if maybe it was the GCAB that was leaking. And then I got to the car. It's been sitting for a week. I got to the car today and this fluid was also on the wheel, which was odd. And I couldn't understand where it's leaking. The front left wheel, which suggests more the brake fluid thing. But also it could have been as it was driving onto the lift. Maybe it got some on the tire and it leaked out onto the wheel like that could be a red herring because it was dry in the entire fender liner. But I didn't really look inside the wheel, but it came from the top. Like the Dublin.

[Doug]

There are no lines.

[Kenan]

Makes no sense. Sense. Makes no sense. We have a mystery.

[Filippo]

We have a mystery.

[Doug]

We have a phantom oil.

[Kenan]

Whatever it is, though, it's been a few weeks and it's only been. It hasn't been much. It's been probably, I don't know, like a petri dish of oil. Like, this car has so much oil in it that, like, unless there's a real leak, I'm not all that concerned. Plus, I have oil in the car just to add 17 liters. Yeah. So we got to figure it out. But the Countach has finally had something happen and that's. It's time to do some servicing. It's probably telling me, hey, dude, it was time to do some servicing anyway.

[Doug]

Probably true. I mean, I think you've gotten lucky with how I mean, it was. George Evans knows what he was doing.

[Kenan]

The car has been set up really reliably, and which is another reason why I'm just obsessed with having this Countach. But the last service was done in December of 23, which included an oil change and a million other things.

[Doug]

So it's the engine came out of.

[Filippo]

The car, for instance.

[Kenan]

Engine came out on a tow truck, right?

[Filippo]

Yep.

[Doug]

That's as one does.

[Kenan]

Yes.

[Doug]

You crane it. Yeah. Quite wild.

[Kenan]

So I gotta figure this out. You ready to.

[Doug]

Yeah.

[Kenan]

Ferry it up there.

[Doug]

Yeah.

[Filippo]

Bury it up there back to.

[Kenan]

I'm not sure where I'm gonna service it yet. I got a few options.

[Filippo]

Got a few options.

[Kenan]

So that's the Countach. Big hot off the presses, folks. Big news. The other hot off the press thing that I want to talk about in the Talk car segment is embargoes. Embargos.

[Filippo]

We love embargoes.

[Kenan]

You want to have the conversation?

[Filippo]

I do, sure.

[Kenan]

All right, folks, today was the Mustang GTD embargo. When you pull up the video. When you pull up the video, which was brilliant, by the way.

[Filippo]

I haven't had a chance to watch it yet, despite the fact that it came out at 3:00am Pacific Time today.

[Kenan]

Can I show you something? That. That is going to be a little. A little Easter egg for you.

[Filippo]

Yeah. See this?

[Kenan]

Okay. Pause it right there. Open up a new tab, type in. You go to YouTube and go, Bronco Raptor.

[Filippo]

Oh, my God. This is the same plot place.

[Kenan]

Watch this, watch this. Oh, you don't have to type in Doug Demir on. It'll pull up first.

[Filippo]

Bronco Raspberry.

[Kenan]

Unless the damn Throttle House people have gotten one. Okay, now pause it. Now go back. Here's an Easter egg for you.

[Filippo]

Whoa.

[Kenan]

Same public parking garage in Palm Springs.

[Filippo]

Slightly different spot.

[Kenan]

Same.

[Doug]

This the house?

[Kenan]

Well, one's taller. I mean, I don't know.

[Filippo]

Well, no, but the house is.

[Kenan]

And I'll tell you, this here's a crazy factoid for you. Crazy factoid. Both of these videos, inexplicably, they made us come to Palm Springs in the middle of the summer. And I'm not exaggerating when I say I was the only person in Palm Spring Springs. It was me and Ford.

[Filippo]

Okay, Can I ask a question?

[Kenan]

Nonetheless, nonetheless, nonetheless. Both times, a security guard came up here and put pressure on me to leave. I'm not exempt. This is a public parking garage that you can just park in. Nobody was there. Nobody was in the whole city.

[Filippo]

That's why it's confusing when somebody is. He has one job. This is the one day of the year he's busy the day you're filming.

[Kenan]

And I went to the top. It wasn't like I was, like, taking up prime real estate next to the three cars that were parked there, one of which was an ionic five plugged in with the person sitting inside trying to get some juice, presumably to drive somewhere that wasn't 140 degrees anyway.

[Filippo]

Why would they do it out there?

[Kenan]

The embargoes? Because of the racetrack.

[Filippo]

Oh, they had racetrack time.

[Kenan]

The embargo for this video is at 6am Eastern, which is 3am Pacific. If you're an automaker and you're watching this, and I know you are, I know you are, do not make your embargoes 6am Eastern, ever. It is a bad idea. You're trying to get your stuff launched across the broadest swath of North American consumer. I have studied this my entire YouTube career. 13 years. And the answer is you want to go live at noon Eastern, which is 9 Pacific. It hits everybody. It allows the east coast people to see it at lunchtime and carries your story throughout the afternoon. It allows the west coast people to get it right in the morning. That is the time you want to go live. Always. 100%. When you launch at 3am Pacific. It makes no sense. It's insane. The west coast doesn't get the stuff. The stuff's already out when you wake up. It doesn't. The story is lost by the middle of the day. It is bad. Felipe, your thoughts?

[Filippo]

I'm a lot. So I, I think for some cars, like there are cars where maybe like if it's like a truly mainstream automobile, you want to be able to hit some morning news items.

[Kenan]

Like what?

[Filippo]

When is that even happening? Like what?

[Kenan]

When are they trying to make it own the day?

[Filippo]

Wall Street Journal that like, it's not. I agree with you. They should be optimizing for one of the most reaches. Admittedly for different channels, it's going to be a little different.

[Kenan]

The most reaches.

[Filippo]

You're new. You're right.

[Kenan]

Eastern foray, north fundamental. You're right.

[Filippo]

Yeah, yeah, I agree.

[Kenan]

We've spent months, I mean, when I was obsessive about every little minute with releasing videos, I tried everything and over time discovered the right time is noon. And for analytics reasons, it takes about three minutes for a video to spin up when you launch it. And so I used to actually cheat and beat embargoes by three minutes just so the video would be spun up by the time the hour started. Something for you all to think about. Something for you all that it's aspiring creators to think think about. Anyway, Mustang gtd. I got nothing to say about the car itself. Let's move on.

[Doug]

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[Kenan]

Can I tell you something? One thing about the Mustang gtd. Now that I can talk about it.

[Filippo]

Yes, of course.

[Kenan]

You're driving that thing around. You look like you're in a modded Mustang.

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[Kenan]

Like it's cool as hell. I think it's cool as hell. But I'm driving around and people aren't looking at me, which is astonishing to me because it's like the hottest car on the market.

[Filippo]

I would have looked.

[Kenan]

You would have looked? I would have looked. Any. Any car enthusiast who knows what it looked.

[Filippo]

Right.

[Kenan]

But a regular person sees this loud Mustang with a big wing and they're like, this guy's gonna spin out at cars and coffee.

[Filippo]

But it looks so good.

[Kenan]

It does look good. That's exactly how I would get it too. Whatever that color is, whatever those wheels are.

[Doug]

Yeah.

[Filippo]

It's a little bit of a problem with. I worry that people won't quite appreciate what this car is, which is it's fundament. It's a race car and it's set up for that purpose. Is it a great street car? No. Will it get attention on the street? No. To be fair, neither does like a GT3RS anymore.

[Kenan]

Yeah.

[Filippo]

So I worry that people are going to buy for the wrong reasons.

[Kenan]

Well, I don't know who. I mean, people.

[Filippo]

People are. Nobody's going to buy it.

[Doug]

Right.

[Filippo]

People are going to view it as a failure for the wrong.

[Kenan]

No, it's not a. They're going to sell out and these are going to go for way over. This is a fantastic car. I think it's going to be a huge hit. But I do think that like, you don't necessarily get the cred that you might think you. I, I can't think of a $330,000 car that gives you less cred.

[Filippo]

Oh, I can.

[Kenan]

Like what?

[Filippo]

I got to think about it for a minute though.

[Doug]

You got one less cred.

[Kenan]

Also think about the GT4 nucleus.

[Filippo]

A specked out 992 Turbo S. Somehow that's less.

[Kenan]

Like that's a Porsche. Like that gives you cred. Like you pull up somewhere and it's like, yeah, you've got a Porsche Turbo.

[Filippo]

I will say it's also true of every CA Corvette. Like the Z06. You got a note or no. The ZR one. I suspect you got a no to know.

[Kenan]

Yeah. But a ca. A Corvette is cooler just on a base level.

[Filippo]

Yeah. Right.

[Kenan]

Right.

[Filippo]

You're right.

[Kenan]

But this.

[Filippo]

So I think this is so cool.

[Kenan]

And I'm telling you, no one was on the road, so no one even saw me really. But the three people who were there thought I was just driving a modded Mustang.

[Filippo]

But a well modded Mustang. Respect for that.

[Kenan]

Yeah.

[Filippo]

Yep.

[Doug]

So well, so well modded. It looked factory.

[Kenan]

What do you. You want one of these?

[Doug]

I do love the gtd. I again, the. The multimatic suspension system in it is. It's a very legitimate car. I agree with what you're saying. But if you buy this for your. If you buy it to impress others, you're buying it for the wrong reason. If you buy it to impress your skull self, I would imagine this is an incredible car to drive and probably very rewarding on the track, people track.

[Filippo]

Them and don't buy them and leave them in their garage with zero miles.

[Doug]

Let me a little bit, people.

[Kenan]

Both.

[Doug]

I want to see both.

[Kenan]

Let me ask you a question. I drove my Ford gt. Blue white out there.

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[Kenan]

You know the one Midnight.

[Filippo]

I'm familiar.

[Doug]

Heard of it.

[Kenan]

Which would you rather have for the same money?

[Doug]

That's. See, that's a. Yeah.

[Filippo]

Are they the same money anymore, though?

[Kenan]

Yeah. Well, my 4 GT is 375 and I think this is 375 with options.

[Filippo]

I. Oh, wow.

[Kenan]

Just pulling up my Would love.

[Filippo]

I. I think the Ford gt.

[Kenan]

Look at that.

[Filippo]

That you own is one of. It's probably the favorite, my most favorite of your cars.

[Kenan]

Oh, how sweet.

[Filippo]

I think. Oh, so I'd rather have it. I think it's so special. I mean, America's lone supercar, really. I. I'll say by that statement.

[Kenan]

What about the later Ford gt?

[Filippo]

No.

[Kenan]

What about the Oldsmobile Aerotech? Yes, pull that up.

[Filippo]

Good point.

[Kenan]

You remember the Oldsmobile Aerotech?

[Filippo]

I don't know. Oh, A.J.

[Kenan]

Foy. This was a Aero. Yeah, there you go. Like that.

[Filippo]

Oh, yeah, of course. Yeah. They. They made and sold many of these.

[Kenan]

Wonder what happened to this thing. They probably sold it. No. 8 during the concept car sale.

[Doug]

Exactly.

[Filippo]

For like $36,000 Ultimo Aurora looking thing.

[Kenan]

Anyway, the point is I went to GTD and drove it.

[Filippo]

And there's a review out on Doug's channel right now.

[Kenan]

And you should watch the review and complain to your local automobile manufacturer about embargo timing.

[Filippo]

Yes.

[Kenan]

Okay, Filippo, talk about the multipla, please.

[Filippo]

I have to. So our friend Nick bought a multipla. Nick bought a multipla, which I'm incredibly excited about.

[Kenan]

Can you pull up his Insta here? Is that a thing?

[Filippo]

Yeah. And people in our friend Group have been making fun of the multipla, and in the comments have been making fun of the multipla.

[Doug]

You know what?

[Filippo]

I will not accept that. I want to make that really clear.

[Doug]

If you simply Google ugliest cars and go to Google images, the first car.

[Filippo]

Are wrong is the multiple I really deserve.

[Doug]

Deserve it.

[Kenan]

Third one is too. Well, the second one is a Corbin Sparrow, which isn't even really a car.

[Doug]

Well, look in the top 10.

[Kenan]

Three of them are.

[Filippo]

To be fair, I also disagree about the escargot. I don't think it's ugly.

[Kenan]

Three of them are. Three of them are escargos, or three of them are multiples, and two of them are Corbin Sparrows, which aren't really cars. The. And here's a multiple gin appearance.

[Filippo]

And I don't think the PJ Cruiser is that ugly either.

[Kenan]

Multiple.

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[Kenan]

Okay, so here's why you pull it up.

[Filippo]

The Multiple is a vehicle that is just eminently practical. It's all about practicality, and it achieves something that pretty much no other car does in a very small footprint.

[Kenan]

Right.

[Filippo]

Seven inches longer than the eight two we're looking at over there.

[Kenan]

You can still make fun of.

[Filippo]

You can have three rows of wide adult seating or two rows of wide seating, three across and space. And I don't think you need to do that to achieve the practicality. It needs to look a little funky. It's a little tall. It's a little weird. But it does not mean that it's ugly. It just means that it looks purposeful.

[Kenan]

Wow, he's really gonna. Oh, wow, that's a duck.

[Doug]

That's what it looks.

[Kenan]

It looks purposeful. Great packaging. Legitimately looks.

[Filippo]

We should celebrate.

[Doug]

That is. I think that is a fitmol.

[Kenan]

Zoom in on that with the. With the. With the front. With the front end and the eyes where the lights are. It really, legitimately, it looks like.

[Doug]

I've always called it a platypus because it is.

[Filippo]

God created the platypus for. For a reason.

[Kenan]

It's not that it looks a little like. It looks a lot like it really. Go back to the platypus.

[Filippo]

I am.

[Kenan]

Holy crap, dude.

[Doug]

Have you ever put this together?

[Kenan]

I did when I did my video. I talked about it, but I don't think I really looked at a. At a picture of a platypus. It is pretty wild.

[Filippo]

I. I think that we should laudate the engineers that that created it, and we're certainly not designers the engineers that created it. Because achieving that level of engineering excellence and not sacrificing the practicality, the excellentness, the engineering for the skill sake of design, trying to appeal to the mass market.

[Kenan]

But you can still make decision.

[Filippo]

I want to support and therefore I don't want to make fun of it.

[Kenan]

Cuz I don't want. I just went through this whole thing about the Nissan Juke and you assailed me. I did not. Yes, I did. I was like. I was like. The reason that cars are boring is because y' all make fun of the Nissan. I have never. The Nissan Juke is dumb and ugly and it's stupid. I don't think it's a good vehicle.

[Filippo]

So like, I think that that is style with no rationale. There's no reason for it to.

[Kenan]

To be a vaguely unattractive like the cube.

[Filippo]

This is all about maximizing space, maximizing the output.

[Kenan]

And the headlights. You think that the headlights on this, like, like, you know, protrusion were all about maximizing practicality.

[Filippo]

Honestly, I think that this looks better than the facelift that removed that. So, yes, I agree with that.

[Doug]

But I have to say, I agree they fit a lot into this car for practicality. But why is a design basis they choose this little creature with this really funny buck bill.

[Kenan]

And platypuses are weird.

[Doug]

And they're only like this. They're tiny. You think they're large.

[Filippo]

This looks like the off, like the XRT trim of a real animal.

[Kenan]

I'm not that wrong about that.

[Filippo]

Yeah, yeah.

[Kenan]

Because it's got like the gray, the. The gray.

[Filippo]

It looks like they like rhino lined it or something.

[Kenan]

It's got like the gray accent. It's got like a wider stance. It's got like a wide look up there.

[Filippo]

And I.

[Kenan]

It looks like. It looks like a prairie dog xrt. Yeah, I'm not that wrong.

[Filippo]

Like they got like the, like the, the bumper, the lolo like that. Fender flares.

[Kenan]

That's exactly what it is. The Platypus is like a squirrel or prairie dog or groundhog xrt.

[Doug]

Today's episode is brought to you by the Platypus.

[Filippo]

I will not accept multiplus. It's such an excellent vehicle that it can accept being styled.

[Kenan]

Yeah, but I make fun of it. I make fun. Of course.

[Filippo]

But you can't call it bad or ugly.

[Kenan]

I can call it ugly. Absolutely.

[Filippo]

Styled for a purpose.

[Kenan]

No, I. The thing about cars is we can always make fun of. You know, one of the problems I've always had is that some very sensitive members of the audience get very upset when I make fun of cars. And like, I don't get upset at all when you make fun of my cars. Like they're, they're silly. They're like all kind of silly.

[Filippo]

Right.

[Kenan]

Like my Sequoia and, and the, the Countach and Courage.

[Filippo]

If you'd like to make fun of, you're welcome.

[Kenan]

Yeah, well, obviously. But people get upset and you sensitive Filippo over here doesn't want his Italian heritage to be slandered.

[Filippo]

I don't.

[Doug]

That's what it's all about.

[Filippo]

I don't even own it.

[Kenan]

That's so true. Why don't I. I asked Nick about it. I was like, you know, what made you do it? He was like, I just could tell that Filippo was just going to talk about it forever and someone just needed to do it. Someone did it. And that someone was a platypus. Okay, Kenan, tell us about Miata. Then we have to move on to questions. We're going to skip the market report.

[Filippo]

Whoa.

[Kenan]

Questions are really good this week. This is the best week of questions we've ever had.

[Doug]

Wow. So, yeah, you never had again, this kind of ties back to what we were talking about earlier. But I recently drove an ND Miata and it was like an ND2 Miata and it was the one you wanted. The BBS wheels, the brakes, the seats. It was wonderful. Frank Kevin's car and I was driving it and like you, I thought this is the essence, it's all you really need. And the interesting thing was I've always felt the. The Miata was down on power. The ND2 got quite a bump in torque and makes a tremendous difference, that car. And it was just everything, like it was just everything you need. And I really thought about what you said about ego and it's like that said, I still want a Viper, but that's cuz I like big engines. And that's like, here's the Miata. I'm making this concession to have something else. And I thought more on that Nucleus theory. But I, like you said, I think there are two. The GT4 and this.

[Kenan]

Those are the Nucleus cars.

[Doug]

Yeah, the Nuclei, Yeah.

[Kenan]

I agree. ND2 is amazing. I prefer the RF. ND2 is amazing.

[Filippo]

You're the only person, if you had.

[Kenan]

An ND2 and a GT4, that's it. If I had those two cars, I wouldn't even need friends.

[Filippo]

That's so true.

[Doug]

We couldn't fit many of them in the cars anyway, so I would just.

[Kenan]

Get in my cars every day, drive though. They would be my friends.

[Doug]

If you Lived in a gorge in southwest France and all you need to do is drive and didn't really need to do anything else cuz they're not productive. There. You could have those two cars and that would be it.

[Filippo]

Yep.

[Kenan]

You don't like the RF more?

[Doug]

No, I do.

[Filippo]

I. Why add weight?

[Kenan]

Yeah, cuz it looks cooler and a hard top's important in a cold climate climb.

[Doug]

Well, we don't live in a cold climb.

[Kenan]

But you never know when you get in on a Miata. You never know where that road's gonna lead.

[Doug]

I'll tell you what. Well, yes, you could just go thunk. You can still do the thunk with the roof and it was fine.

[Kenan]

Yeah, true. Plus yeah. Pull up an RF Go to the. Go to the site.

[Filippo]

We sell these things so often.

[Kenan]

Promo the site, cars and bids. For God's sake.

[Filippo]

We have one left.

[Kenan]

There's one right there. Go to that one.

[Filippo]

The rf, by the way, are also decreasing value but holding their value. So they were so much more expensive.

[Kenan]

God, I love this car. This is such a good looking car. Any. Any ND point is any ND two.

[Doug]

Any ND Any ND Any ND Yeah, the ND two specifically is the one I would pick, but like. And I drove that supercharged one. That was awesome.

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[Kenan]

Yeah. You know, in an era where most cars are getting worse from an enthusiast perspective, like if you like the old stuff, I truly believe this is the best Miata ever made. It has enough modern tech, but it's still like true to its roots. It looks good, it still drives well. Like I truly believe that in 25 years we'll look back on some cars in this era as being bad and this one as being like an amazing.

[Filippo]

I want to drive one. I've never driven an ND it's so you'll.

[Kenan]

I can't.

[Filippo]

But I really want to drive an ND1 cuz they're so affordable.

[Kenan]

He had an NB and hated it though.

[Filippo]

I liked my NB I just didn't love it.

[Kenan]

But that's true of you in all cars. You've never loved a car.

[Filippo]

Step four, multiply.

[Doug]

But you've never owned. Loved it so much you never owned it.

[Filippo]

Correct. He.

[Kenan]

He wasn't willing to pony up the $6,100 to get it here.

[Filippo]

Can we talk about one thing about the ND M?

[Kenan]

Yeah.

[Filippo]

All right. That the one that you drove had the Brembo BBS Recaro package.

[Kenan]

Yes.

[Filippo]

Which is one of the simultaneously best named and worst named packages. Yeah, it is Literally just Brembo bbs. Recaro. Right there is, by the way, also the Brembo BBS package that doesn't have the Recaros.

[Kenan]

Why didn't they just call it the sport package?

[Filippo]

Right, but I'm glad they didn't.

[Kenan]

In the community. Is this called like the bbr?

[Filippo]

You gotta assume. Right. But apparently they offered a Brembo. Yes.

[Kenan]

BBS.

[Filippo]

They offered it without the. The BB. Yeah.

[Kenan]

I'm not into the ND2 community, but I wish I was.

[Filippo]

Honestly, we all should be.

[Doug]

I was just so impressed with it. It was just so good. So ask Kevin. I'm sure he'll let you drive.

[Kenan]

Look at that one. Look at this one. This is like beautifully set up. That's a nice car. Sold for $31,000.

[Filippo]

It was a club, so presumably new. It was not that much more than that.

[Kenan]

Yeah.

[Filippo]

Now new one's gone.

[Kenan]

That is a cool car.

[Filippo]

Have you driven? Did you drive an ND3?

[Kenan]

Is there an ND3?

[Filippo]

There's an ND3.

[Kenan]

This is like a newer, new, new.

[Filippo]

Yeah, 20, 24.

[Kenan]

Oh, I got to get into an ND3. I haven't driven a Miata in a long time, but I love it. I. Every time I'm in one, I love it. Every time I'm in one, I absolutely love. Look at that one.

[Filippo]

Yep.

[Doug]

And if you have like, like you said, no ego, like, it is just.

[Kenan]

Yeah. Like it's a car that isn't going to impress anybody except you.

[Doug]

Yeah. You're going to have a great time.

[Kenan]

Driving and, and, and if that's. If that's all you're looking for and then I respect that because, like, I need to impress people at my core. Filipo needs people to hear his exhaust with his little 500 AAR.

[Filippo]

It's the worst part of the 500.

[Doug]

Yep.

[Kenan]

The worst part. Meanwhile, he revs everywh.

[Filippo]

There's no other way to drive it.

[Doug]

It's the worst part. Not the trim that's falling off of it.

[Filippo]

I have no trim falling off.

[Kenan]

We need to move on to the questions. The questions are brought to you by Cars and Bids because we didn't do the market report today we're doing the questions brought to you by Cars and Bits. Cars and Bids is the finest website on the Internet. It is, I agree, is the best place in the world.

[Filippo]

One of the two things we agree.

[Kenan]

On, where you can sell, buy, exist with cars.

[Filippo]

Yeah, exist.

[Kenan]

Anyway, if you want to ask us questions, go tocars and bids dot com. Click on the Community tab. There is a post right now about how Filippo's going to be at Petit Le Mans in Atlanta. Folks, look that up. It's in October. Filippo's going to be there. Kenan's going to be there. You can see the two of them.

[Doug]

See us talking about race cars.

[Kenan]

You can probably.

[Doug]

Me talking about race cars.

[Kenan]

You can probably touch them if you.

[Filippo]

Ask with permission only.

[Kenan]

Okay, first question today from Tengel92, Tangle92. The GTD is impressive still, it seems like you could buy a GT350R, make a handful of modifications and get 80% of the experience for 20% of the cost. Do you agree? And what vehicles would fit that same 8020 rule for the Ford GT, the courageous and the Countach? I do agree, but I think that when this question is asked, what it is missing, and this question gets asked a lot. Why should I buy a whatever when I could just get a whatever and mod it and be right there? Like, why should I spend the money for a Cayman GT4Rs when a regular Cayman GTS, I could do a couple mods. And the racetrack, the times are the same. The thing is, the rarity and the specialness of the vehicle as a whole plays into what makes it special and desirable. And so, yeah, you could do that, but at every car in coffee, you'll be like, it's a GT350R, but I did this, this, this and this. And I swear, it's just as fast. Whereas, like, you show up at the GTD and there's like a level of specialness that comes with that car, because there is, as much as enthusiasts who drive a lot and just want to be drivers, don't like to admit to themselves, the rarity factor, the cost, the unusualness of the car goes into part of what makes it cool.

[Doug]

Absolutely. And further going along that point, the reason why the other ones are valued more is, is because you get in it, you turn the key, you go, it comes with a warranty. It's well made. You don't have to worry about, like, oh, I had to let the car idle for another 30 seconds so that I could make sure it got enough coolant through it so it wouldn't overheat. Like, you don't have to. There are no exceptions. It just works. And that's kind of the appeal to that. And.

[Filippo]

Yeah, go ahead. Sorry.

[Kenan]

Yeah.

[Doug]

And like you said, yes, there's a purity to modifying stuff like making it your own. And there's like, you're then invested in it. But like the Top Gear Cool Wall one said, if you have to explain it, that's when it starts to lose its coolness to someone else.

[Kenan]

Else.

[Filippo]

Right?

[Kenan]

And a lot of people do. I get approached with cars and coffee all the time. I have this, but I did this, this and this. Now it's just as fast as a whatever. And it's like, yeah, but it isn't like, the fact that you're still trying to make that justification is an explanation. And we should all hate to admit that, like, the rarity, the value, the like coolness that, like, plays into it. But it does. It just does.

[Filippo]

I'll look at it from a slightly different perspective. You can make a car what you need do to it to be probably more effectively than the automaker can, because the automaker is trying to make it.

[Kenan]

A car that for some purpose.

[Filippo]

If you are trying to make the fastest possible Mustang on the circuit local to your house, that might not be a gtd and you can recreate that separately, but you are not going to be able to recreate the GTD with the suspension setup that it has with everything else that it has yourself for less money. And it's like a difference, like.

[Kenan]

Which is a suspension area.

[Filippo]

Right. You shouldn't try to recreate it. You should create. If you're trying to create something that is the best version of for you, go ahead and do that. But then don't say it's just as good as whatever.

[Doug]

I will add, also, from a market perspective, it's like it is worth something. It's like you put all this money in, maybe they are worth. You've spent the same, but there's one that's worth what it is and one.

[Kenan]

Worth the market feels. And that's. And that plays back into the specialness, the fact that the automaker made it like, the coolness of it is part of it. The question is, are there vehicles that would fit the same 8020 rule for the 4gt career GT class? I have no.

[Filippo]

For you, yes.

[Doug]

There's one. Porsche tried this. Harry Metcalf did a video on it recently. The 997 GT2RS is the most powerful. It was the most powerful manual transmission Porsche ever made, more than the Carrera GT. It's faster than the Carrera GT, but which one is more desirable? It's the Carrera GT.

[Kenan]

GT2RS is really cool.

[Doug]

It's really cool. But the Carrera GT is more special. It's like Porsche effectively modified a 911 themselves. And you know, it's not as. It's not a career GT.

[Filippo]

Now you could have bought a GT4.

[Kenan]

GT2RS has 620 horsepower and you have 620.

[Doug]

12, I believe. Or 605 or no, 607.

[Filippo]

Right?

[Doug]

607. Yeah.

[Kenan]

That's a lot.

[Doug]

Yeah. And manual transmission, rear wheel drive.

[Kenan]

There are a lot of cars. I think honestly a boxer Spider gets.

[Filippo]

A lot of the way there and.

[Kenan]

You could do a few more mods and get there. And the Countach is harder because I think the appearance of the car is.

[Filippo]

A big component of the Fiero base kit.

[Kenan]

Yeah, I guess that, that one. Talk about a car. You'd have to explain.

[Filippo]

Yeah. Or don't. If you do it well enough.

[Doug]

Look at that low body looking thing.

[Kenan]

All right. I'm going to upset some people with the. My answer to the next question. Are you ready? You ready for a little obsession?

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[Kenan]

Oh, wow. He's looking at the question from CX9ER. We know that Toyota has the best enthusiast lineup right now, despite public perception that Toyota is a boring brand. By the way, I don't entirely agree with that. I think Toyota had that perception but has mainly shed that perception over the last 10 years by making cool off roaders. Like if. At least here in the west, in, in Colorado, where I'm from, Utah, the California, like you say Toyota, you're talking about Toyota trucks that like do stuff off.

[Doug]

It's a solidity.

[Kenan]

Yeah.

[Filippo]

Plus the Camry is grounded to the ground.

[Kenan]

What brand is the opposite? As in they have a reputation for being exciting or fun, but actually they have a boring lineup of cars. Mazda. Mazda.

[Filippo]

I really thought you said BMW and I would support either answer.

[Kenan]

BMW.

[Filippo]

I'm down for other.

[Doug]

BMW makes some exciting cars. Specials.

[Kenan]

BMW makes some pretty cool stuff.

[Doug]

They do manual transmission, manual M3.

[Kenan]

M3 is cool.

[Filippo]

BMW M. Absolutely.

[Kenan]

BMW is actually making more fun cars than almost the fact that they're still doing sticks. The M2 still out with the sticks. Six cylinders. The. The Z4 is still a stick. The M5 is fast. Regardless of the fact that people hate how big it is.

[Filippo]

It's. It's got that great M2 and Mazda. Look at the ND3 Miata. The car we just decided was the best car in the world.

[Kenan]

That, that one and that individual car has given Mazda this perception of sportiness. Have you ever driven a CX50? Have you ever driven a C. They're just driving cars and they've convinced enthusiasts and also journalists that their cars are somehow like really sporty. The CX90 is just a Big crossover.

[Filippo]

It's incredible branding. They've done an incredible job with it.

[Kenan]

Of convincing people that they're like an enthusiast brand on the backs of the wonderful, admittedly MX5 Miata.

[Filippo]

Yeah. Here's the thing. All right. The Miata lineup has.

[Kenan]

Oh, wow.

[Doug]

Even they.

[Kenan]

Wow.

[Filippo]

On a. About teres. How many cars does Does Mazda sell? Five model lines.

[Kenan]

There's CX90, there's CX50, there's CX5 for some reason.

[Filippo]

And there is still also the CX30 and there's a CX70, but we're calling that a CX90.

[Kenan]

Like these are. These cars are not enthusiast cars. That does not drive enthusiast. That does not drive enthusiast. But they have kind of tried to convince people they do. These are a little.

[Filippo]

My point was going to be if a fifth of the. Of the. Of the lineup for MA6 of the lineup for Maza is sporty, is BMW is more than a six of the BMW lineup sporty?

[Kenan]

I think the fact that BMW is still willing to commit to several products in the sporty realm says a lot. But making all these cross and trying to call them sporty.

[Filippo]

Agree with your take fully. Honda also on my list of not really making anything.

[Kenan]

Yeah, Honda's got like a perception of being sporty, but at the moment they don't make a single enjoyable car. The Civic Type R. Civic Type R and Civic SI is cool. That's like it.

[Filippo]

Yikes.

[Kenan]

That's like it. Go to V vehicles here. I mean, there's no Odyssey R, dude.

[Filippo]

There's no Odyssey R, but Odyssey R. Truly, Honda is considered, I think for many people, the. The fuel cell crv.

[Kenan]

CRV E, F, C, E V fuel cell crv.

[Filippo]

I didn't know that. And if I don't know that. Yikes.

[Kenan]

Where. Where do they sell that?

[Filippo]

Presumably only California. If. If I feel like Honda is known as the enthusiasty Toyota, I don't know that that's fair anymore.

[Kenan]

Any more.

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[Kenan]

Okay, next question from Kyle A. If the US and EU recognize each other's vehicle regulations and immediately all EU cars become available for sale in the US which car would you be most interested in buying and which would. And would you seriously consider purchasing? M3 Touring.

[Doug]

Very high on the list. I like the. I guess it probably could come here. The Renault Turbo, like the little EV thing that they did. I think that's really cool. I saw a bunch of those in Europe.

[Filippo]

You buy an EV, you.

[Doug]

Yes, I've said that. The R3 is like.

[Filippo]

I saw a Renault Turbo 5 EV and you didn't send it to me.

[Doug]

I sent. Yeah, I sent it to all of the group. The new Turbo 5 thing they're doing. I said I saw a bunch of them.

[Filippo]

I sent you sign one for the.

[Doug]

First day I was there. You need to pay attention.

[Kenan]

M3 Touring.

[Doug]

M3 Touring is at the top of the list.

[Kenan]

I don't think Peugeot, like ultimately, even if the regs equalize, that's not what the question was. They don't have a dealer network. Like they're not going to sell that car.

[Filippo]

Of course not. But there's a bunch of station wagons that I think are truly beautiful and I would buy a plug in hybrid, manual station wagon and through Touring. No, not at all.

[Kenan]

That's the answer. I can't even think of any other Euro cars that are not sold in the US that are even slightly different, desirable. You guys. Have he mentioned a boring station rank and you mentioned some sort of electric car.

[Filippo]

Are you familiar with the Renault 5 EV?

[Kenan]

Yeah, it looks cool. Is it even on sale? He claims it is. It is.

[Doug]

Yeah, it is. I saw. Yeah.

[Filippo]

Our friends at Throttle House just had a review with the Throttle do.

[Kenan]

Oh well, he rejected cookies. He rejected cookies.

[Doug]

Sorry. Renault uk. Look how cool it is.

[Filippo]

I mean to be clear, the wide fender 3e version, they're building like a few. But the regular one is.

[Doug]

But the regular one is around.

[Kenan]

I don't know.

[Doug]

I saw it on the streets of.

[Kenan]

It does look cool.

[Filippo]

What a cool animation.

[Kenan]

M3 touring is the answer to this question.

[Filippo]

No, There's a lot of cars that I think are way more interesting that.

[Kenan]

Does it apply to used cars? Because if it does, that Audi S1 quattro that I really want, I would get one of those. Remember that?

[Doug]

I do remember that. I saw lots of those.

[Filippo]

That's a cool little ev. I wouldn't. I wouldn't want one, to be honest. But that's cool.

[Doug]

But I. Yeah, but if you have to pick, the M3 Touring is to pick.

[Kenan]

Okay, next question. This is a really Good one from Shelby186. Question for all. What is is the dream spec for each of the cars that you currently own?

[Doug]

See if I can find Luke's car real quick. Let's talk among yourselves.

[Kenan]

For me, I still sometimes wish I had a yellow car. Gt Hate to admit it, but second dream spec is silver brown, which I have Countach I'm cool with. Although I like every Countach color I see. Countach as in weird colors.

[Filippo]

White is a good color for.

[Kenan]

White's cool. I wish I had a little bit more color in my garage but I like them all. I like them all. Like if it had been any color I would have accepted it. Ford gt. I still want white, white, blue. I have blue, white. I want white, blue. But I don't really care that much. It's not that big of a deal.

[Filippo]

Your station wagon not being white.

[Kenan]

White would be station wagon which I didn't have a white interior but needed cooled seats were hard to find.

[Filippo]

Sequoia have cool seats but you don't have massaging Sequoia.

[Kenan]

I regret sometimes not getting orange.

[Filippo]

You should. I regret it was hard to find. Hard enough to find any color though.

[Doug]

Embarrassing.

[Kenan]

It'd be embarrassing.

[Doug]

I mean it's already embarrassing but it be. It would be even more embarrassing.

[Kenan]

That's. Those are all my cars. I think the G wagon is the spec I want. What's your M5?

[Doug]

Luke's my friend Luke has the right one. He has a 2000 E39 M5 Avis Blue with the two tone full leather sport interior which was only offered 2000.

[Filippo]

You're a silver car guy though.

[Doug]

Yeah, but it looks so good in blue. Like blue is. Look at. I mean BMW makes the nicest blues.

[Kenan]

When I was a kid lying on Internet forums this is the car that I wanted to lie about but didn't think I was legit enough.

[Doug]

Yeah, it's just so lovely. I will say dark colors you do lose some of the definition of like the way it looks like.

[Kenan]

Well this is a darkened picture I think I've seen in the.

[Doug]

But in. Yeah it's Avis blue is.

[Kenan]

Are there any estorils?

[Doug]

There are some astor blue. The UK got a lot of very interesting Ethereum995 type in astoral Ethereum 5 there are a handful.

[Kenan]

Wow, that looks good.

[Doug]

There was one that came to the end United States. It lives in Georgia.

[Filippo]

I believe it's kind of too light a blue.

[Kenan]

Oh, I love that car. Go back. Go back to other show me that.

[Doug]

Oh the black girls are not good. But other than that it does look nice.

[Kenan]

Wow.

[Doug]

That messing metallic.

[Kenan]

I would sell Filippo for this car.

[Filippo]

Wow.

[Doug]

It's a very interesting color. There's. They have some really cool colors.

[Kenan]

It's like a mess indeed. Felipe, what about you? You've got a brown. Your brown.

[Filippo]

I love the speck of my station wagon is for an S212 exceptional. It's like the highest spec one I've ever seen.

[Kenan]

Yeah, but it's brown.

[Filippo]

I love the brown.

[Kenan]

Okay.

[Filippo]

I'm into the Color I could do without the brown. Black interior. Don't love the interior color that much. My Fiat, I think white with white wheels, white with white wheels is the best, objectively, the best. Abarth look.

[Doug]

I saw one drive by the office the other day. The person hadn't cleaned the wheels in years. They're just brown.

[Filippo]

Yeah, that's. That would be true for mine, too. Black does hot that they've all gotten.

[Kenan]

To that point now. Every time I see one, the white wheels have, like, faded, and they're bad.

[Filippo]

It wasn't. The paint comes off the wheels.

[Kenan]

Yeah, right.

[Filippo]

Cool. Yeah. For the gti, I don't really care. Right. It's a car I own. I wanted the.

[Doug]

You got to get rid of it.

[Filippo]

No, I love the car is so good, and my wife loves it.

[Doug]

It's so good, you don't care. It's like a phone.

[Filippo]

It kind of is so good. I don't care.

[Kenan]

Okay, two, Two, maybe three more questions. There's so many good ones. There's so many good ones. From Bubble Booty, Bubble Bud. Are there cars where you wouldn't buy the manual even if it were optional? You know, this is a topic we have sometimes, because I still feel that the CLK 63 Black Series, the manual swap that got so much press is, like, kind of a letdown. I haven't driven it, but I've driven that manual in other cars, and it sucks. And that car wasn't really designed to be a manual. Like, ultimately, like, it's kind of a bigger car. It's kind of a muscle car, like, intended to be, like, you know, not, like, precision driven.

[Doug]

I think when Derek Tim Scott converts his next one, he should send it down so you can drive it. Because I'm curious myself. And we'll see. Because I'd like to see that.

[Kenan]

Nothing like driving a C240 manual. A bad manual can really kill a car. If you Import an Audi A2 as an example, and you're all excited, and then you get in the clutches. Really vague. Yeah, of course.

[Filippo]

What do you expect? The fundamental reality is that for most, like we all say, it's so great that Europe had manuals for so long. The goal was to make them as easy and uninteresting to drive. And they are, and they are. At the same time, I personally don't mind that. I still find it somewhat enjoyable to have something to do, so I recognize that it's a worse vehicle.

[Kenan]

I would rather have a dual clutch in an Audi A2. I'll tell you that in a hypothetical Audi A2. You did this, though, I want to be clear. Not a real one. I don't have any real ones.

[Doug]

You did this. You bought the auto.

[Kenan]

That's another good example.

[Doug]

As opposed to the manual.

[Filippo]

But that's because it was more desirable not to.

[Doug]

No, no. He bought it because that's how you wanted to use it, which is why it's more design.

[Kenan]

I have zero regrets about that decision. Driving a steak in this car is not fun. No, it's like there are some cars that, where it just diminishes the fun. Basically all trucks, I hate to admit it, Tacomas. I prefer auto. Oh. It breaks more often. Well, maybe so, but I don't think.

[Filippo]

That, I think it's fair to say that it's objectively worse that the manual is not additive and it's subtractive in some ways. There's something still enjoyable about that. I enjoy having to do with my hands. But I agree that it's not a better vehicle.

[Kenan]

There are a lot of cars where I don't think, I really don't think it improved the experience.

[Filippo]

The Camry, the last Camry that was available with the stick. The, like rounded 07 to give me an auto that was available with a stick. It can't have been good. Yeah, but it's kind of nice to have. I, I, I'm supportive, even though I recognize that it's not a better vehicle.

[Doug]

Lincoln ls. I wonder if that's.

[Kenan]

It's another good example.

[Filippo]

Also, I, on cars like that, I drive sticks incredibly efficiently and I can outperform the automatic version. And so that has value add.

[Kenan]

Okay, one to two more questions. One to two more questions. Hey, Doug, you mentioned quite often how you like to enjoy your cars and put miles on them, unlike most people. At the same time, most people don't take their cars on the racetrack where they may have been designed for. How often do you take your cars on the track and do you find it terrifying? We went to the track. We did that. Pull up that video. I went with Kenan. Kennan drove Z 30 years ago, and Kenan barely beat the A class.

[Doug]

That's true. But I did.

[Kenan]

We did that track day, and it was lovely. And, and I would argue that I am therefore a track enthusiast. No, I don't take him on the track ever. And it, it, it does terrify me. The cars are simply too valuable. And this track day is actually a good indication of what would happen if you and your friends went to the track. The one who has a good Car car that is not incredibly expensive will be the fastest. Like we're all afraid, Nick. Skipping, spinning the Mercy was a scary situation. We were. I was afraid to push the Carrera GT too hard. God, look at that. It's like so sketch.

[Doug]

I'll never forget that. The one place the. Oh, like he spun it. He could anywhere would have been fine, but he chose near the wall.

[Kenan]

This track is famous for his runoff.

[Doug]

Right. Because he went walking. Watch this.

[Kenan]

Yeah, he was trying to beat my time cuz I had beaten him in the. Anyway, the point is I've taken him on the track, but they scare me on the track because of just how valuable they are. And, and it really, really, really legitimately is scary. Don't you guys agree?

[Filippo]

Yeah, I, I, for my own car.

[Doug]

Like I was having some braking issues that day, which is what made it kind of scary. But yeah, I, I just, the car just means too much to me and like on track it's like, it's just, just not a. Yep, it, it was cool. The pictures from it are awesome. I'm. I'm probably good driving that car on a track ever again.

[Kenan]

Final question from Ultratech 66. I imagine all of you are constantly asked for recommendations for car recommendations for friends and family. Do you have any recommendations you've made that you now regret? I now have come up with an idea on how to recommend cars to people. I kind of see what they, what they want and then I say, yeah, get that.

[Filippo]

I don't have, have any regrets, but I usually take a very listening approach too.

[Kenan]

Filippo's car recommendations are some of the most insane. I was on a thread one time and it was just like so my man were exceptional. Like he just like comes up with the most like unusually specific, infinitesimally different, like not rational. Like if you go right now to your dealer, there are three plug in hybrid versions of this car, aged inventory that you can lease for 247amonth. I give great. And I'm like the same person. I'm like get a crv.

[Filippo]

I give, I give good. The issue that the advice that I give is very like to go to do it well, I need a lot of information and I need their feedback because I want to tailor it to what their life is.

[Kenan]

The answer for car recommendations is always get a crv. Yeah.

[Filippo]

I mean what ends up happening is I send them a very long email because they're like, hey, how do you feel about these things? I need input on this. And then they go out and buy a crv.

[Kenan]

And that's fine. I generally try to get what people are interested in, get what they're already going down that path. And then I tell them either yes or no. I don't usually make cold recommendation.

[Filippo]

Oh yeah, for sure. You need information.

[Kenan]

I am also often surprised when I make car recommendations. How people are willing to change what their criteria is when they end up buying the car. I had one the other day. A three row family suv. Hybrid, maybe plug in hybrid. And I said telluride, Palisade, you know, Highlander, what? Explore.

[Filippo]

Telluride's not available. The hybrid. But.

[Kenan]

Well, yeah, but may they. They said non hybrid or maybe hybrid. That's what it was. You gotta.

[Filippo]

You gotta lead them to where they need to be.

[Kenan]

They end up with a EV9. And I'm like, but how electric? Hadn't been mentioned to me. Well they showed up at the dealer was offered EV9s for like 37 cents a year.

[Filippo]

So you know, I mean fair people often massively shifts from what they said they wanted. Yeah, constantly.

[Kenan]

And that's one of the reasons why I just tell them get what they're already kind of going down the road.

[Filippo]

Should have asked. You should not have that.

[Doug]

Only about sports cars and exotic cars.

[Kenan]

You never have friends from Ohio being like hey Ken. And I'm trying to get a tour us but they don't sell it anymore. Shucks.

[Doug]

Faith did actually.

[Kenan]

Yeah.

[Doug]

Because it was.

[Kenan]

Exactly.

[Doug]

That's what it was with their platinum edition.

[Filippo]

Did she get an outback?

[Doug]

You know, she still hasn't replaced it, so I don't know when she's.

[Kenan]

She's got a fusion.

[Doug]

Yeah. You mean titanium.

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[Kenan]

Whoa.

[Doug]

I know.

[Filippo]

That's what energy or no, I don't think so. With energy. With an eye. To be clear.

[Kenan]

You know what I was behind today? Brand new Accord templates.

[Doug]

But the, the one I do regret, they.

[Kenan]

They're for sale. They're everywhere.

[Filippo]

That magic. Some of them are on templates.

[Kenan]

Yeah.

[Doug]

The one I just do was Blake, our co founder and friend asked us what exotic car he should get. I recommend an F430. He bought an F430, drove it and then had to spend $30,000 in maintenance to get it to function. Which was not my fault. But I recommended that one because it seems.

[Filippo]

Oh well that is your fault. Right?

[Doug]

But he insisted. No, no, it wasn't your fault. So he's cool though, I guess. But that I felt bad because it cost.

[Kenan]

Truly though my big, my big tactic now truly is to generally. Oh, so what have you already Looked at. Oh, you like that? Oh, yeah. Well, that's a good, good car.

[Filippo]

The biggest advice you end up giving is, have you gone to look at any of them? Have you sat in any of them? And the answer is always no. I will say, okay, we'll go do that.

[Kenan]

Right? That. That's where you start. And when you see people going down a direction, I try to either validate or not. If someone's going down a bad direction, if someone's got Mitsubishi Outlander in their.

[Filippo]

Mind, wait, great car.

[Kenan]

Mitsubishi Eclipse Cross. I will say I did one regret. I did validate a friend's decision to buy a Lucid Air, which I think that it was an early one. And I think that that's an amazing car. It was glitchy. And I think that that's the type of car that should probably, at least at that time, maybe still should probably be purchased by someone who is tech forward and recognizes that they're kind of a test driver, at least at the time. And that person was looking for reliable family transport, not an early sort of thing. And, you know, that probably wasn't the right call. And that car ended up getting bought back.

[Filippo]

Yikes.

[Kenan]

Anyway, that's our pot. You got anything else, Baxter Spider related conversations? Do you have any thoughts on the Audi A2?

[Filippo]

I haven't driven it yet.

[Kenan]

What it? There's no Audi A2 here. There's no Audi A2 here. For God's sake.

[Filippo]

I've never driven one.

[Kenan]

You've never driven one?

[Filippo]

Never driven an A2?

[Kenan]

Certainly not truck one once.

[Filippo]

My father did run into the back one once.

[Kenan]

Certainly not.

[Filippo]

I've never been in an A2.

[Kenan]

You've never been in an A2 too?

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[Kenan]

I wish we could change that for you, but we can't. All right, we're done here. Goodbye, everyone.

[Filippo]

Goodbye.

[Doug]

Best pod we've ever done. Goodbye.