The V8 Engines Replacing EV Motors! A $20,000 BMW Option, Doug's Affordable Dream Car!

Summary

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Episode Title: The V8 Engines Replacing EV Motors! A $20,000 BMW Option, Doug's Affordable Dream Car!
Release Date: February 14, 2025
Host: Doug DeMuro
Guests: Ken, Filippo

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1. Episode Overview

In this vibrant and insightful episode of THIS CAR POD! hosted by Doug DeMuro and featuring friends Ken and Filippo, the trio dives deep into the evolving automotive landscape. They explore the resurgence of V8 engines amidst the rise of electric vehicles (EVs), discuss BMW's latest wheel innovations, and share personal anecdotes about dream cars and market trends. The conversation seamlessly transitions from breaking news to hands-on reviews, concluding with an engaging audience Q&A session.

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2. News Stories

a. Corvette ZR1 Sets Lap Records [00:30 - 03:35]

The episode kicks off with exciting news about the Chevrolet Corvette ZR1 making headlines by setting lap records at renowned racetracks across the country, including Watkins Glen, Road America, and Atlanta's VIR circuit.

Ken: “The Corvette ZR1 is really, really fast.” [02:28]

Doug commends the engineers behind the scenes:

Doug: “The ZR1 is what we've been waiting for from the platform to see what it can really do.” [03:12]

The team marvels at the ZR1's performance, emphasizing its 1,100 horsepower and capability to reach 235 mph, noting the impressive balance and reliability on the track.

b. BMW’s Center Lock Wheels and V8 Engines [03:53 - 08:43]

The conversation shifts to BMW's controversial introduction of center lock wheels on their vehicles, sparking debates about practicality versus aesthetics.

Ken: “BMW is keeping the V8 around.” [07:18]

Filippo highlights BMW's strategic decision to retain V8 engines for specific markets like the American and Middle Eastern regions, underscoring the brand's commitment to performance enthusiasts who crave the traditional V8 experience.

Doug: “BMW gets a lot of flack for how their cars look, but keeping V8s around is commendable.” [07:27]

The trio discusses the implications of center lock wheels, concluding that while they're ideal for racing, they may pose challenges for everyday road use.

c. Dodge’s Charger EV and Return to V8 [08:43 - 15:09]

Ken and Filippo delve into Dodge's latest moves with the Charger, initially announced as an EV but now rumored to return to its V8 roots.

Ken: “They are putting the Hurricane in it, a six-cylinder engine, but implying that V8s might make it in the Charger.” [10:03]

Filippo predicts a robust market response if Dodge reintroduces the V8 Charger, suggesting that the traditional muscle car appeal remains strong among enthusiasts.

Ken: “I think there's a business case for putting V8s back into the Charger.” [10:16]

The discussion highlights the challenges automakers face in balancing EV advancements with the enduring demand for powerful internal combustion engines.

d. Porsche's Shift in Engine Strategy [15:09 - 17:13]

Porsche announces a significant investment of $800 million to reintroduce internal combustion and hybrid engines into their lineup, signaling a strategic pivot.

Doug: “Porsche learned early that certain engines didn't sell well in the US, so keeping V8s around is a smart move.” [07:27]

The hosts analyze Porsche's decision, appreciating the brand's responsiveness to market demands and their dedication to maintaining the driving experience that loyal customers cherish.

e. Lucid’s Change of Focus [17:13 - 24:32]

Lucid Motors reveals a strategic shift to focus 80% on supplying components like motors and drive trains to other manufacturers while dedicating the remaining 20% to their own vehicles.

Filippo: “Lucid is known for having some of the most advanced motor designs, so this pivot makes sense.” [22:34]

Ken and Doug express skepticism about Lucid's ambitious goal to sell a million cars globally, citing the company's recent sales figures and the broader industry's EV challenges.

Ken: “The EV pullback is here, and Lucid's ambition seems hard to grasp given their current performance.” [24:32]

The discussion underscores the difficulties startups face in scaling production and meeting market expectations in the competitive EV sector.

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3. Talk Cars: The CLK55 [29:00 - 34:50]

In the Talk Cars segment, Ken passionately discusses his dream car—the 2003-2005 Mercedes-Benz CLK55 AMG Coupe. He highlights its timeless design, powerful V8 engine, and exceptional condition, emphasizing why it's a standout model.

Ken: “This is a one-owner California car. Silver is the only color you want.” [29:50]

Filippo and Doug share their admiration, with Filippo offering to co-own one and Doug appreciating the understated elegance of the CLK55 compared to more flamboyant models.

Doug: “This is a very cool car. I appreciate the subtlety of this car.” [31:10]

The segment concludes with the trio expressing their desire to showcase such a beautiful and well-maintained vehicle, reinforcing the CLK55's status as a cherished classic.

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4. Market Report

a. Volvo V60 T8 Pulsar Engineered Extended Range [47:03 - 50:31]

Filippo presents a remarkable sale of a 2022 Volvo V60 T8 Pulsar Engineered Extended Range wagon, which sold for approximately $70,000 despite being a niche model.

Filippo: “This car has been engineered for extended range and has Oken stampers.” [47:09]

Ken admires the car's value retention and Volvo's reputation for durability, noting how the market appreciates such practical yet powerful vehicles.

Ken: “The market does appreciate these V60s. They’re an enthusiast car in the sense that it is a smaller wagon.” [48:53]

b. Ford GT: Old vs. New [40:31 - 53:45]

Ken makes a bold prediction that within three years, the older Ford GT models will surpass the new ones in market value. He cites current sales trends and the nostalgic appeal of the manual transmissions and V8 engines.

Ken: “Within three years, the old Ford GT will be selling for more than the new Ford GT.” [41:26]

Filippo and Doug agree, discussing the complexities and high costs associated with the new Ford GT, while championing the classic models for their simplicity and driving pleasure.

Doug: “I've never driven one [new Ford GT], but I imagine it may be more complicated.” [52:26]

c. Aston Martin DBS with Manual Transmission [53:31 - 66:13]

Doug shares the successful sale of a one-owner Aston Martin DBS with a six-speed manual transmission for $114,000, emphasizing its rarity and enduring appeal despite high mileage.

Doug: “It sold for a strong money, $114K. Feels like right for this car.” [51:07]

Ken praises the DBS's design and performance, comparing it favorably to its competitors and asserting its status as a collectible masterpiece.

Ken: “The DBS is like the challenge stradale of the DB9. It’s much more special.” [53:38]

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5. Audience Q&A [53:44 - 67:00]

The hosts engage with listeners' questions, addressing topics ranging from responding to specific comment types to selecting the best weekend car within a budget.

Question: "Do you pay attention to the Doug's 'Type of Guy' comments?"
Ken: “I thought there was a good period of time where they were funny, but it's not as strong now.” [53:57]

Question: "What is the best weekend car for around $15,000?"
Filippo: “A Subaru Boxer or a Mazda Miata are great choices.” [59:30]

Ken and Doug provide enthusiast-driven insights, recommending models like the Mazda Miata, emphasizing reliability, driving pleasure, and community support.

Doug: “The Miata is the answer. It’s a great weekend car.” [62:32]

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6. Conclusion

Wrapping up the episode, the hosts encourage listeners to engage further by downloading the Cars and Bids app and participating in the community. They reflect on the dynamic nature of the automotive market, appreciating the blend of classic and modern trends.

Ken: “You can download the Cars and Bids app by going to the App Store on your iPhone.” [66:48]

Filippo: “It's a great app. Download it.” [66:51]

The episode concludes on a high note, celebrating automotive passion and the enduring allure of powerful engines amidst a shifting industry landscape.

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Notable Quotes:

• Ken: “This is a $75,000 electric car. If it had power from a V800, a V8 engine, I think it would have been pretty well received by the market.” [13:11]

• Doug: “Long live the gasoline engine.” [19:51]

• Filippo: “Filippo is the teacher, and Ken your student.” [40:16]

• Ken: “The CLK is more beautiful. This is a beautiful car.” [32:33]

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This episode offers a comprehensive look into the current state and future of automotive engineering, blending expert opinions with practical insights, making it a must-listen for car enthusiasts and industry followers alike.

Transcript

[Filippo]

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[Ken]

Hello and welcome to this car pod. I'm Ken.

[Filippo]

And I'm Filippo.

[Ken]

And today we have a banger for you. Get it started with the news. The Corvette ZR1 noted fast automobile has gone on a little tour of racetracks all throughout the country. And it has set lap records at these racetracks. They were Watkins Glen Road, America Road, Atlanta, where Kenan is driven. Really?

[Doug]

No.

[Ken]

Okay. I have. And Vir in Virginia. They set records. Now the interesting couple. Interesting things. Number one, the records were set by like Chevy engineers.

[Filippo]

That's very cool.

[Ken]

Like people who.

[Doug]

Like kind of regular people, basically.

[Ken]

I mean, sort of like.

[Doug]

I mean, engineer.

[Ken]

They have a pretty good knowledge of how the thing works, but they're not pro. Like, if you got Randy Pope's out there, I bet he'd beat these records.

[Doug]

Absolutely.

[Ken]

By the way, the records were like production car records. Now the engineers. It's impressive.

[Doug]

It's very impressive.

[Ken]

However, the car has 1100 horsepower and does 235 miles an hour. So like, could you or I have done this maybe.

[Doug]

Hold on a second there. That is impressive because to keep a car that kind of power on the track is a novel. It's like me driving a 400 horsepower heavy car slowly was hard. That's pretty impressive that all the systems work well enough to keep it on the track.

[Ken]

Yeah, well, they have intimate knowledge of the system. C true. Maybe race car drivers are not the fastest. Maybe the people who designed the race cars and they know every little geometric angle.

[Doug]

I think Lewis Hamilton might have.

[Ken]

Maybe Ferrari should get rid of Lewis and instead hire whatever, a computer.

[Filippo]

I find it fascinating that you think that these seven gentlemen are the only engineers to have worked on the Corvette.

[Ken]

The Corvette from start to finish was worked on.

[Filippo]

These seven, they spent evenings, they spent weekends coating every part of it, taking every suspension.

[Ken]

No, they had to work hard because it's only seven fellas. Right, Right. And luckily they got to race it. Yeah. And this guy oversaw the whole team. And that guy at the end. And these guys, they.

[Doug]

This guy. I don't know.

[Ken]

Look, the point is it's legit. And the other point is the ZR1 is really, really fast.

[Filippo]

Other fast cars have gone around those tracks. Yeah, like it's not like it's just that. And yeah, I can't think of a good example.

[Ken]

Well, no, it's really impressive. And also obviously this is just another notch in the thing of. Okay, American cars are not just fast in a straight line. We've known that now for like 10 years. But this is just such a great example of it. I haven't yet driven the ZR1 Senate here. It was a drivable car. They told me not to drive it. A man drove it under the lift and then down.

[Doug]

And meanwhile they're giving it to engineers to go thrash it around a track.

[Ken]

These guys are in vir with it. What about me?

[Filippo]

I trust them more than you.

[Ken]

Yeah, same, same.

[Doug]

Honestly, no, that is a seriously impressive feat. You know, the ZR1 is what we've kind of been waiting for from the platform to see what this platform can really do. A mid engine, like the extreme version of a mid engine sports car from the United States. I mean other than the Ford GT of course. But here we are.

[Ken]

Although that is Canadian, the new one.

[Doug]

That is.

[Ken]

You know, here's the thing. They're going to make another more powerful Corvette. You're hearing it here first folks. And it's going to have the same situation but a hybrid. And it's going to have the front battery and the front all wheel drive situation. It's going to have 1400 horsepower. Okay, I'm telling you all this. It's going to be even faster than this.

[Doug]

Hard to imagine. Yeah, hard to imagine. Maybe then the engineers won't be able to set the lap records in that thing. They'll need a pro.

[Ken]

They'll need a pro for that.

[Doug]

Or computer.

[Ken]

Of course. We'd say that if we had heard that there was going to be an 1100 horse horsepower, 830 pound feet of torque one. And then they did it. Okay, move on to our next news story. Ah yes, BMW. You read about this?

[Doug]

I did read a little.

[Ken]

BMW has come out with center lock wheels which are a noted wheel design that inconveniences the people who own them. Right.

[Doug]

If it. As if BMW service is warranting convenience enough.

[Ken]

BMW is. How can it be center lock wheels.

[Filippo]

Worse. Instead of five, you only have to get rid of one.

[Ken]

You're right, you do only have to get rid of so. So center lock wheels. Instead of five lug nuts you have one lug nut. The drawback is that in order to take the single lug nut off the car you need. You need torque that only can be provided by the Concord.

[Doug]

Yes, you need to be able to hit a stick with Thor's hammer to get it off.

[Ken]

My understanding is if you have a bar long enough you can do like a roadside tire change. But the bar has to be like the length of four filippos stacked on top of each other.

[Doug]

It's not that long wearing a giraffe shirt. But yeah, it does require an incredible amount of torque. The center locks are great for racing applications where you need to take wheels on and off the car very quickly. For a road car that's going in.

[Ken]

For brake pads, it's just bragging rights.

[Doug]

I mean yeah, it's purely bragging rights and it does add cost. It adds a lot of complication and then inevitably some tech won't know what they're doing and will strip something.

[Ken]

It's just like it's damaged and you got to replace one of these center lock wheels. Okay, so I didn't mention it but they're $20,000 extra and they're 20,000 car.

[Filippo]

Costs in three years and their entire.

[Ken]

Car they're only going to be offered on a few of the models and so. But yeah, if you damage one of the wheels, presumably the 20 grand is actually kind of a deal because they're doing it at scale. If you had to buy an individ wheel, I have a suspicion it's going to be a lot more. And yes it is a silly thing. Like I think it's silly. I have obviously the car with the center lock. GT it's cool but like I don't. I'm not out here trying to add more center lock automobiles to my fleet. You can't do anything with that.

[Doug]

Right. I mean not that you're working on the Courage GT necessarily anyway but if.

[Ken]

You have a flat.

[Doug]

But. Or yeah, if you, if you have a flat. If you're. Or BMW people are more tinkere than Courage GT owners are if we're honest. So you can't really.

[Ken]

I mean I replaced the front hood struts myself.

[Filippo]

The courier GT I did.

[Ken]

Someone did.

[Doug]

Yes, it was me. But it is 20 grand is a lot for what is, you know, four hubs and you know, I mean feels.

[Ken]

Like a lot of money especially because it just adds complication and annoyance to your life.

[Doug]

How many people are going to.

[Ken]

But they look cool. I've seen a picture. This picture shows them I guess. But I've seen a picture with the car with like wear in them, like a full out Shot of a car. They look cool. And if your M5 had been offered with center locks, 20 years later you're driving your M5. Yep, I got the center locks. That would be a point of dragging.

[Filippo]

Are they carbon fiber? Like, are they expensive wheels to start with?

[Ken]

They're center locks, dude. This is for the racetrack.

[Filippo]

Is the cost because of the center lock or because the wheel is costly? Period.

[Ken]

I'm gonna tell you this. If the ZR1 had had center locks at VIR, those engineers would have been.

[Filippo]

Even faster at tire changes, probably.

[Doug]

But it turned out it didn't need them, so they're just as fast.

[Ken]

So anyway, that's BMW. So BMW's getting cooler. And in fact, we have another story about BMW getting cooler, which is for some reason later in the news. But pull it up now and let's talk about it.

[Doug]

Sure, I'd like to talk about it. So BMW has announced. So it's specifically. It's Frank Weber, or Frank Weber, I suspect is how it's actually pronounced in Deutschland. Announced that BMW is keeping the V8 motor. They have said that there are specific markets for the six cylinders, make plenty of power, and they keep those around. But there are specific markets for whom the feel isn't enough. They want the luxurious sound and feel, feel and power delivery of a V8. Specifically the American Middle Eastern markets. And so they're keeping the V8 around.

[Ken]

Yep. How about that?

[Doug]

Here's. Yeah, so BMW gets a lot of, you know, flack for how their cars look and, you know, like, they're charging for all this stuff, blah, blah, blah, keeping V8s around. I salute that.

[Ken]

Americans want V8s. They literally said, due to America and the Middle east, which are politically two foes. But enginally they're friends.

[Doug]

One of your great points, I'm telling.

[Ken]

You, if Republicans would just go to the Middle east, they'd be like, yep, V8. No, but really, so. So that's interesting.

[Doug]

It is interesting. Now, BMW, I mean, hate to bring up my car again, but BMW learned this early on. The E34M6 cylinder did not sell well in the United States. They were considering killing M altogether for the United States market for that and E30M3 and all, like, those cars didn't sell well. They put a V8 in the M5, and all of a sudden it sold dramatically better.

[Filippo]

Yeah. And then they did the same in the E9X M3. And then they got rid of it.

[Doug]

Yes, downsizing did eventually strike them, but the fact that they're keeping V8s around it.

[Ken]

It is. There is a broader point here which is worth discussing, which is that when this podcast started. This is our 47th episode. Happy Birthday to us.

[Doug]

Almost.

[Ken]

When this podcast started. Happy 47th birthday.

[Filippo]

Sure.

[Ken]

When this podcast started, we. We took every. I feel like every show for the first six months was about EVs killing everything. Now we got BMW saying, nope, the V8 is going to stay and then go to the Dodge story. Ah, there it is. My favorite.

[Filippo]

Dodger's CEO has implied in an interview this week that there's room for V8s in charger land.

[Ken]

Okay, I got a. I got a lot to say about this. A lot to say. First off, when I bought my Last Call Challenger, I bought six of them to try to flip. They're all in my house with the plastic still on them. I was told that they would stop making powerful.

[Filippo]

Do you remember the Durango 392 issue?

[Ken]

Yeah, the people said it.

[Filippo]

392. And the Durango F32, they said it's gonna be one year only. Was not one year old.

[Ken]

And then Chrysler got sued. Because the thing about Chrysler is they're fly by night. They're fly by night. They're just doing whatever they can to get units out the door 100%.

[Doug]

I respect it.

[Filippo]

Can I read a quote from him from that?

[Ken]

I love this quote. All right.

[Filippo]

One of the things that's encouraging is that the. The change in leadership. The head of FCA was pushed out. You know, V8s are no longer a bad word around here.

[Ken]

Yep.

[Doug]

Thank God.

[Ken]

And how about that? Now, another interesting thing I found about this car, when this car was first announced, my recollection, which might be wrong, but my recollection was the Charger and Challenger are going ev.

[Filippo]

Yep. Which. Then there's actually a charger behind whichever. Whatever it's called is behind.

[Ken]

Then it kind of. I don't know if it was dialed back or if it was intended to go this way, but then they said, no, we're put the Hurricane in it. Maybe that was initially announced, but for me, when I heard about it, it was EV only.

[Filippo]

They announced it as a year later. Then they moved it up very quickly.

[Ken]

Okay, so then they're going to put the Hurricane, which is a six cylinder and a pretty good engine, but not a V8. Now it's. I mean, implying that V8s might make it in the Charger. I'm going to break the. Break the news. Right here on this pod, there's going to be a V8 charger okay. Don't go buy in a Hurricane just yet.

[Filippo]

Do they have a V8?

[Ken]

Yeah, they got a V8 from the.

[Filippo]

Does the Ram still have a V8 in some iteration?

[Ken]

392. That's a. That's interesting. They obviously have V8s, because they didn't. You know, they still are making those.

[Filippo]

Right.

[Ken]

But that's an interesting point. What do they have that has a V8? I mean, it's gone in from the Wagoneer. Maybe there's Ram still, but there might.

[Filippo]

Still be a Ram.

[Doug]

They'll dust one off though it in there.

[Ken]

But the point is. The point is they're going to do it in the Charger, which I consider to be one of the great cars.

[Filippo]

If there's a business case, is what he said.

[Doug]

I mean, that is the business case.

[Ken]

Let me tell you what the business case is, because I've been driving around in the electric world.

[Filippo]

Yeah. It's behind Doug.

[Ken]

The business case is the vehicle behind me. The electric charger will be purchased by no one at any time. And so in order to actually sell these automobiles, they will need to put V8s in them.

[Filippo]

It's a. I mean, maybe some people, they will sell it to somebody who thinks they're getting the hurricane version, or.

[Doug]

Maybe they sell it to some people in Orange County. That's the rare.

[Ken]

I don't even think they're going to.

[Doug]

I don't think it's expensive.

[Ken]

This is a $75,000 electric car. Okay. Let's talk charge review, because we're here and we're doing it. Let's just talk about Charger ev. I have the Charger EV this week. I am exceptionally excited for this car because it's been trashed by everybody from Motor Trend to Throttle House. That's. That's the span.

[Doug]

It's the full gamut.

[Filippo]

Full gamut from Canada to the U.S. right.

[Ken]

So they sent me one and. Right. It's already made in Canada.

[Filippo]

It was made in Canada.

[Ken]

How did Throttle House trash it? It's a homegrown product. Yeah.

[Filippo]

Come on. Anyway, Thomas.

[Ken]

So they sent it to me, and I've been driving around, and I gotta tell you, there are things that would make it great, like a V8. It's not that bad.

[Filippo]

It makes some interesting sounds.

[Ken]

Okay. The electric one makes sounds which are. I wouldn't want to say embarrassing. I would want to say. What? Tremendous embarrassing. Well, how would you.

[Doug]

Excruciatingly embarrassing. Like befitting.

[Ken]

However, I'm being serious for a second. Okay. The car drives pretty well. It's 5800 pounds, which is 1500 pounds more than the outgoing Challenger Hellcat. Not just a regular one, a heli with the big ole. Wow. That's what we call it in the Hemi community. But they've neutralized it fairly well. It actually, it doesn't drive as floaty as you look at it. It's a foot longer than the old Challenger. It's 8,51 pounds heavier. You'd think it's going to be massive to drive. It actually neutralize the weight fairly well.

[Filippo]

Inch longer than an Odyssey.

[Ken]

It's an inch longer than a hot Odyssey. But it only has two doors. XJ220 is longer than life still. Every car.

[Doug]

Yeah, that's multiple counties.

[Ken]

12 is as long as this office.

[Doug]

Well, and then both versions of it, one shorter. One's long, short, even the shorter. Yeah.

[Ken]

But anyway, my point is it actually drives pretty well. And I was driving and I was thinking to myself, if this wasn't a $75,000 electric car, but instead was a $57,000 V8 car, I actually think it would have been pretty well received by the market. And I truly and honestly have enjoyed driving the car. And I think it's cool. But not with an electric powertrain and not with an $80,000 sticker.

[Filippo]

It says stage two on the side.

[Ken]

You want me to explain that?

[Filippo]

Yeah, please.

[Ken]

Okay.

[Filippo]

And whatever symbols above it.

[Ken]

Okay, here's the deal. The symbol above it is a historical nod to the, the chargers of yore, which are obviously also electric.

[Filippo]

Oh, it's also on that one, the, the Stage two.

[Ken]

Here's the deal that I learned. The car, this One here has 670 horsepower. It's a stage two. The regular stage one cars have 590 horse, but in order to sell the early ones, they put the Stage two package on free of charge. Right. And yet they still haven't sold. Anyway, the point of this news story and the point of this whole thing is I actually think it's a pretty good car. If it had power, if it had power from a V800, 60 horsepower. If it had power from a V8, from an engine, I think it would be pretty cool.

[Doug]

It's the feel.

[Filippo]

It has the feel.

[Doug]

I want a rumbling. It has the rumble well behind you. Yeah, I heard it. It is funny to think that like it has this speaker that is ear piercingly loud and you think there could be modifications from like there could be like a Corsa, you know, uuc Corsa, like exhaust speaker mod for this thing. But you want the. I want the rock of a V8. I mean that's what.

[Ken]

It rocks. Dude, I'm telling you, turn this, you put this thing to drag mode. It's shaking. It's shaken. But I'm not going to defend the EV thing, mostly because of the pricing. I think if it was priced at $49,995 with EV power, it'd actually be pretty appealing. But hey, also it's building double.

[Doug]

Yeah, it's a lot. And it will not. That will depreciate faster than you can think.

[Ken]

However, I truly think it's a pretty good car generally. And I think they screwed up by launching it with the two door only and with an EV only. I think when the four door comes, when the hurricane comes, if V8s come, I think this car will eventually be well received by enthusiasts. It's just not at that point yet. But I was surprised how much I like driving it. I'm surprised how much I like looking at it. It is a much better platform than the old one, which was an eight. You know, the old one came out in 08. The interior is leagues ahead. The tech is leagues ahead. Like it's a much better dynamic experience. It is interesting. It's just expensive with an electric motor.

[Filippo]

First of all, they had to release it because they need to sell something and the Hurricane isn't ready. Also, how much longer than an XJ or shorter than an XJ220 do you think it is?

[Ken]

I think it's probably four inches longer.

[Filippo]

Ken.

[Doug]

Yeah.

[Filippo]

Try to picture an XJ20 common sight.

[Doug]

I think it's only two inches longer.

[Filippo]

It's a foot longer.

[Ken]

A foot longer.

[Doug]

Foot longer. Wow.

[Ken]

Okay. The point is, this whole thing has been interesting and this and the BMW news story are tied together. Here are two brands who tried to go EV who pulled it back. We covered a couple weeks ago that Chrysler bailed on the airflow EV that they were going to make. I just had this Jeep Wagoneer s electric car as a press car also. It's fine. It's not going to light the world on fire. The EV pullback is here. And this is specifically interesting because it is the first car where they took a beloved gas powered car, made it electric and we saw what happened, which was not pretty. And that brings us to the Porsche news story.

[Filippo]

Yep. Which is one more same thing. Yeah, fine. Porsche has announced that they're going to work to add that they're investing about $800 million in the next year to bring back internal combustion and hybrid powered vehicles.

[Ken]

So Porsche was the other company that was going to do this. They were going to take a beloved gas powered car and turn it into ev? No, the Boxster. What do you want to bet they don't?

[Doug]

I would not be surprised. They're smart. I mean, look, it happens where manufacturers develop a car, realized the concept isn't going to work and kind of throw it away. They were developing a V8 for the 911, for instance, in the 1990s and decided, no, we're going to stick with flat six power. I wouldn't be surprised, like you said, if they go, you know what, it's clear the market doesn't want this. Let's not do this.

[Ken]

I think they're going to do both. Yeah, I think they're going to do the EV because they're probably almost done with it. But I bet they do still do a gas version.

[Doug]

I almost guarantee they do a gas version.

[Filippo]

They learned from the Macan ev which is out. Not really seen a ton of them around and they've decided to extend the lifespan of the regular Macan. But they invested all this money and time in building a new generation when I. And they didn't do that for them.

[Ken]

When they sent me the ev.

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[Ken]

They told me which was a great car. They told me specifically, a gas version cannot be made. It was not designed for it. It cannot be made. What do you want to bet they make one? I wouldn't be sure. What do you want to bet it just happens to work out.

[Doug]

Just kidding about that, you know. Very funny joke.

[Filippo]

Mini took an interesting approach. I don't know if you remember this. Mini has a new. There's a new Mini and there's an EV and a gas powered engine. Gas powered one. They are fully separate vehicles. They actually don't share an underlying chassis.

[Ken]

What? That's insane.

[Filippo]

They do with the lights on, the differences because the interior is notably different as a result of that. I wouldn't be shocked if Porsche updates their current platform. Oh, yeah. To look like the new one. But it won't actually be on the new.

[Ken]

Maybe. I'll tell you either way, though. These three news stories hitting this week all are very interesting. And that's in conjunction, by the way, with Porsche announcing that sales were down last year. Sales they expect. They're forecasting a sales decline again in 25. I'm sitting at the dealership primarily by.

[Filippo]

China, not the us. In the US there were still things.

[Ken]

Yeah, but what is. What is selling in China is they got EVs that Panameras four doors that they claim are not selling. Porsche has invent. I mean it's an, the whole thing is an interesting situation and we're seeing sort of upheaval in the car world. I think if you had sat here and made predictions three years ago, you would be surprised at what has happened agreed. Since then. And I don't think it's all political. Like there's obviously there's going to be incentives changing, but I think there's some demand.

[Doug]

I didn't even think three years ago back two months. And I would be kind of, I'd be surprised.

[Ken]

I mean the writing was starting to get on the wall. Maybe a year ago we were starting to hear of automakers pushing their EV targets back.

[Doug]

But even so, like yeah, it, it is, it is interesting. I, I, I'm, and to your point, I think there is room for EVs in these cars, but for the experiential stuff, sports cars, muscle cars.

[Filippo]

Yeah, the macan. Very, very well.

[Doug]

No, exactly. But that's exactly right. You don't need an engine in that car necessarily. That would be fine as an EV if it fits into your life that way, which it doesn't for everybody.

[Ken]

And indeed regardless of whether it does or not, people don't seem to be buying them. I do think there needs to be a broader education on EVs for the buying public. I see so many people trashing EVs, including people for whom I actually think EVs would be pretty perfect. I don't think most people realize how well an EV would adapt to their lives. Or they're afraid because they don't have to fill up with electric. And it's like you don't understand. Like this isn't going to be an issue for you. However. Yeah. For the experiential cars, the cars that are interesting, the BMW is keeping V8s. Dodge is putting a V8 back into the Charger after saying they were going the other direction. And Porsche saying that they're going to spend $800 million to put gas powered versions of their cars re energized gas powered versions of their cars in the lineup.

[Doug]

Long live the gasoline engine.

[Ken]

Damn. So as the point of this news story is that Porsche is going to bump up the heavy exclusive option divisions.

[Filippo]

That's correct. Slumdurwunds.

[Ken]

So we talked just like special wishes.

[Filippo]

Yeah. Yes, we talked last and they also have another one that's like exclusive something I can't exclusive but German, which is related. We talked Last week about how for Ferrari, something like 25% of their revenue came from 20% from options, just options alone. It's not surprising that they want to make extra money on the same thing. Right. Give people a little bit more what they want. Charge heavily for it.

[Ken]

Yep.

[Filippo]

I mean, fundamentally paint a sample at this point, catalog of color.

[Ken]

It is one of the most laughable things in the world. Porsche charges, like, 15 grand for paint to sample. No one is submitting samples. They're just choosing colors from the old days. This, which they just have, right. Like, available. These rich guys think they got something special. They're like, I got this paint to sample. What was the sample? Oh, it was a color they made in 2007.

[Doug]

Cassis Red.

[Filippo]

This Sonder wuschen, Whatever. I don't know. I don't speak German. Is that next level where maybe you can get something a little more?

[Ken]

Well, I still want a Cayman shooting break. What do I have to do, Pay? Do I have to go to Germany and knock on some doors? One time I was in Germany, and I tried to order at a McDonald's, drive through using English, and it didn't work because they didn't speak English and I didn't speak German.

[Filippo]

It seems eminently reasonable.

[Ken]

Yeah, it was really cold. Yeah.

[Doug]

The McDonald's or the Dunford Trout?

[Ken]

No, it was both. It was the. It was like February. And I had just seen a ZJ Grand Cherokee, which I was really excited about.

[Filippo]

That is very exciting.

[Ken]

Yeah. Okay, give us the next news story, please.

[Doug]

I have to skip through a couple.

[Ken]

Ah, Lucid. Filippo, tell us about Lucid.

[Filippo]

Lucid said last week.

[Ken]

Yeah.

[Filippo]

First of all, this is the lucid gravity. Gravity, as you're aware, minivan.

[Ken]

It's like a minivan.

[Filippo]

It's an suv. I don't know.

[Ken]

I've spent a lot of time looking at cars. That's a minivan. I'm just gonna say it.

[Filippo]

Their CEO, Peter Rawlinson, has said that he wants Lucid to be. To shift gears a little bit and be 20% focused on their own vehicles, 80% focused on being a supplier for other manufacturers like intel is basically what he said. Right. Where there are intel chips and computers, they want their motors and drive trains and components to be in other manufacturers cars. They had a deal for a little bit with Aston Martin to provide their electric vehicle motors. And Lucid, to their credit, is very well known for having some of the most advanced motor design, some of the smallest motors, the most powerful. So it makes some sense. The question is, does any manufacturer want that Right.

[Ken]

Well, probably. I mean, yeah, that's an interesting point. We're sitting here talking about how automakers are cagey about EVs. Lucid is struggling. Although I read in one of these press releases, in one of these stories about this exact topic, that Lucid wants to sell a million cars globally.

[Filippo]

Sure, if you count all components by.

[Ken]

The early 2000-30s and last year, they sold like 5,400 cars.

[Filippo]

No, they sold that.

[Ken]

That's ambitious on a level that is actually kind of difficult to describe.

[Doug]

That's like Filippo actually wanting to become a drag. I'm not saying you can't.

[Ken]

Which is more likely, do you think that they. That with the minivan and the car.

[Doug]

I mean, hey, man, he's already got the shirt. He's halfway there. He's closer than that.

[Ken]

He's closer than that. It's an interesting idea. Lucid, which we've been. They've been preaching these special, beautiful cars. I mean, the Sapphire was incredible. Now they're sitting here saying, you know what? We actually want the vast majority of our business to not really be making the cars.

[Filippo]

I get it, though. They certainly had a lot of trouble getting demand up for their vehicles. And it is really hard to launch a full brand and get marketing out, get dealerships, make sure that that's a good experience for your buyers. Providing componentry, being an equipment provider for OEMs, that's a known model that could work. Especially because a lot of OEMs probably don't want to invest the hundreds of millions of dollars that it would take to develop their own batteries and electric motors and other componentry, I guess. But rivet and Volkswagen.

[Ken]

I drove that Xiaomi SU7 and they're.

[Doug]

This is the.

[Filippo]

They also buy parts from other. From other folks, though.

[Doug]

Didn't rimmats do this? Wasn't that the whole thing? The sole point of the super. Yeah, like.

[Filippo]

So they climbed.

[Doug]

Yeah.

[Ken]

The whole concept is certainly interesting and I'm interested to see how it plays out. But here is yet another news story today about how an EV company is facing dodginess. I the only non story of this was BMW M Center lock wheels. Even the ZR1 story was pro, non EV.

[Doug]

Hell yeah.

[Ken]

So what world are we living in?

[Filippo]

The world where some of the realities of what is actual demand have come into play again.

[Ken]

Yeah, it is interesting when you pull away incentives and when a certain portion of the population already gets these cars and when they get so expensive. 75 grand for a charger, price is a real concern. You start to wonder about like, does this have real legs?

[Filippo]

One of the news stories that we didn't talk in depth about last week was manufacturers are starting to come out and have committed to some cheaper cars. For some of them that just decontenting.

[Ken]

Right.

[Filippo]

Some existing products. For others it's all new lines. The Kia K4 was the best selling Kia in Q4 of 2024. That's their cheapest model. It's hard to sell a however much elusive gravity will cost.

[Ken]

It's hard, especially in, especially in a world with 6% interest rates, especially when people see the depreciation that these cars have. And so that results in people wanting to lease them, which results in enormous incentives from the manufacturer that comes back to them. It is interesting. It certainly is interesting. I do wonder if there were some EVs that were priced at a more reasonable number.

[Filippo]

It's hard to get the price down though. I mean Chevy to their credit has done the best job of this. The only really affordable ones, the most affordable one have all been is the.

[Ken]

Equinox EV and initially the Bolt and the Volt. Right.

[Filippo]

And. But it's hard to get the price point to. There it is without a lot of scale, without a lot of investment and.

[Ken]

To really make money. Which is honestly why Tesla's so successful in Model 3. Is a tremendously good performer at a fairly reasonable price point. Never quite where they said it would be. But like when you look at it, and especially when you consider lease rates and what it offers, that is like a really good combination of everything. And it has been rewarded with massive sales. $120,000 minivan. Tough sell. Ask Mercedes about the R63AMG or ask.

[Filippo]

Mercedes about any EV.

[Doug]

Yeah, this is an analogy that I know you will roll your eyes at, but this reminds me a lot of the Swiss quartz crisis. The watch crisis in the 1980s.

[Ken]

Yep.

[Doug]

But that's where watches switch from mechanical to battery powered watches. They are more precise, they're cheaper to make, but they're still charging a ludicrous amount of money for them. And I think something like in the mid-80s, 75% I think of all watches produced were quartz. But that's not what the customers wanted in the end. They wanted that mechanical thing because that's what they attached to the craftsmanship and blah, blah. It's different.

[Ken]

It is an interesting concept though, in the sense that it went back, we have something better in some ways that is cheaper, more reliable, et cetera. But the customer is used to a certain thing. It's not necessarily what they Want. I will say I question sometimes the EV pricing. I've been in these, a bunch of these Chinese cars now for some reason I've been reviewing all these Chinese cars. I have no idea. They show up here.

[Doug]

They're great.

[Ken]

I reviewed a couple of weeks ago the Fengcheng Baobao 5. I'm sure you're.

[Filippo]

I am. Which is not an EV.

[Ken]

True. And it was well priced. No, but it was mostly an EV. It had a 1.5 liter gas engine, but then it had like 9,000 electric horsepower. I had the SU7. You look at the pricing of some of these EVs and it's absolutely these, these cars in China and it's unbelievable. Meanwhile, stuff here hasn't gotten to that level. If they were able to make them cheaper, it'd be interesting. And shouldn't they be. There are way fewer components. Isn't that what they always are telling.

[Filippo]

Us the batteries are still expensive? And also, I will say part of it's also what American consumers are requiring right now. Lucid CEO has also said that the future really is electric cars that have like 180 miles of range. Because you can get bringing the price way down if your capacity goes down. And fundamentally people don't actually need that much range for their daily driver. But especially in the U.S. people want that.

[Ken]

It is an interesting concept. In China they never had these cars with these massive ranges and quick fill ups. Right. Because the gas powered cars weren't common in China. 10 years travel less, you travel less. But also like it just never got ingrained in the consumer's mindset. Like every day in China, new people are buying cars who have never bought them before or, or they replace an electric car with electric car. Here the feeling is you have to be able to drive 1,000 miles in a single day. And no one has ever done that.

[Doug]

Except you?

[Ken]

Except me and truckers.

[Doug]

I think.

[Ken]

Yeah, even then I think it's illegal.

[Doug]

To your point?

[Ken]

Yeah.

[Doug]

If they're able to increase the speed of charging and only have 180 mile range, that makes sense. That would be doable.

[Ken]

I don't even think they need to increase the speed of charging. I think they just need to educate people. When was the last time you drove 180 miles in a day? Seriously?

[Doug]

All the time.

[Ken]

All the time. He's the problem.

[Doug]

No, this past weekend I drove. It was like, I guess it was. I drove 90 miles in a day. Then on Saturday and then Sunday, then.

[Ken]

You plug it in. That's the thing. Consumers need to be educated more about evs people think it won't fit in their lifestyle. In large part, it actually would. And people don't really understand that.

[Doug]

This is America. We want freedom.

[Ken]

I think that's a component of it. I totally agree with that. I think people. It's why people buy Land Rovers. Right. No one has ever actually taken a Range Rover off road. But the, the idea that you have this ability.

[Doug]

Oh yeah, Submariner also. And go dive. You're never gonna take that thing down to fly.

[Ken]

Well, I've taken my submariner.

[Doug]

Doug.

[Filippo]

It's not a submarine. It's different.

[Ken]

Right, right, right. Okay, next we move on to the talk cars segment where we talk about cars. I want to talk about the most important car of the day, which is the CLK on the site. Can you pull it up? Mm. I can't explain to you how much as a child growing up in Denver, a little boy, I wanted an 03 to 05 CLK55 coupe.

[Filippo]

Yeah, you can please try. Duck's plan.

[Ken]

Should I buy this car? I want this car so bad. This is a one owner California car. Silver is the only color you want.

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[Ken]

Pillarless. I love the design of this car so much. And. And everybody's like, oh, the black series. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. This is like a nine thousand dollar car. And at the greatest motor AMG ever did the NA5454V8. I want this car.

[Filippo]

Who built this one?

[Ken]

I can't explain to you how much. I want an 03 to 05 CLK55 with the full size screen in the dash, which this one has. It's an aftermarket screen, but I'll accept it.

[Doug]

Look at those buckets on that steering.

[Filippo]

Can I say one thing about this? I support you and your.

[Ken]

Go back to the exterior shots because it's beautiful.

[Filippo]

But I want to say something about.

[Ken]

This because go to the side.

[Filippo]

Colorless. I scheduled the cars that are going live today. And right before this car went live, you know what went live? A Ferrari 550.

[Ken]

You know what I love about this car?

[Filippo]

And you are not seized on the 550, which looks beautiful in 11,000 miles.

[Ken]

You know what's cool?

[Filippo]

You said you're seized on the CLK55.

[Ken]

That's right. Fantastic powertrain. Beautiful. And you know what I really love? Subtle. Look how subtle this is. There is not a person on the planet who knows that this is a fast car. And then you just put the hammer down.

[Filippo]

That's so true.

[Ken]

This is a one owner. The only way you could tell it had the flared rockers. Those wheels were even offered on the AMG package CLK 500 or 550 or.

[Filippo]

Whatever the 350 may have had.

[Ken]

This is perfect. This car is perfect. I want this car so much.

[Filippo]

I'd go half these.

[Ken]

You'd go halfsies?

[Doug]

No, I wouldn't. No, don't, don't do that.

[Ken]

86,000 miles is pretty reasonable too for that powertrain. I'm telling you, I want 362 horsepower.

[Doug]

376 foot pounds of torque.

[Ken]

I want this so much.

[Doug]

It's a great looking car. CLK is a great.

[Ken]

I'm not buying cars. I wish I was because this is kind of like. This would be like my youth finally coming to roost. When I used to lie on Internet forums as a 14 year old boy, I claimed to have one of these. Yeah. And everybody's like, that's weird.

[Doug]

Weird flight special.

[Ken]

Oh, but look at that.

[Doug]

I mean, but you have said. I mean the clothes of the boy don't fit the clothes. That man's not wearing the clothes.

[Ken]

That's why I'm not going to do it. But I really want it. Go back to the exterior. It is. Whoever buys this car, can you bring it to the office?

[Filippo]

Just duck and stare at it for a day.

[Ken]

It's so beautiful. That was the thing about people look at it now like, oh, it's just an old Mercedes. This was a time when you didn't need to do stuff to be cool. Like now all these companies would put in gold brake calipers and, and center lock wheels. Yes. And, and flashy little canards. This thing just did the job.

[Filippo]

Can you go to 550 now just so we can get a little, little palate cleanser. We don't have to talk about it. I just want see it.

[Doug]

I, I can't believe you're saying that, but I do agree with you. This is, this is the Italian. This is the Ferrari that we've decided. You and I agree.

[Filippo]

Go to. Go to one of the side profile shots.

[Doug]

Even just the front.

[Filippo]

No, no, go to the sub. All right, let's move on. Next.

[Ken]

The CLK is more beautiful.

[Filippo]

Leave that there.

[Ken]

The CLK is more beautiful. This is a beautiful car. And the CLK is even more beautiful.

[Filippo]

That is a bold take.

[Doug]

Yeah, yeah, I agree.

[Ken]

Everybody says the Black series is beautiful. What does the Black series have? Wheels and some flared.

[Doug]

It's not beautiful. It's striking. That's, it's, it's different.

[Ken]

Go back to the car. It is beautiful. It's just a simple design. Pillarless. Pillarless.

[Filippo]

The pillowless design is gorgeous. I will agree.

[Ken]

This car, this would be the perfect daily driver. If I was a divorced dad, you.

[Filippo]

Would have a 550.

[Ken]

No, no.

[Doug]

Look at this.

[Ken]

This car's fussy. Look how unfussy. Look, seriously, compare the two. Look how unfussy. This is simple, clean, pillarless. No little. The wheels are just simple 500 wheels. Go back to the 550. Okay.

[Filippo]

The wheels are a lot, I'll agree.

[Doug]

Not originals of the car.

[Ken]

These are the most beautiful wheels. These are the most beautiful cars made in 03. These two cars. Most beautiful cars made in 03. But the CLK edges it a little.

[Doug]

5.75 was made in 03. Not the 550.

[Ken]

But you're missing my point.

[Doug]

But nobody knows they're not. Doug and I know the differences.

[Ken]

I don't look even close. But anyway, I mean I want this steel cable.

[Doug]

So I appreciate the subtlety of this car. I appreciate it generally.

[Ken]

You know how people want like an E type that is modernized. I want this but modernized. Like with distronic and like a slightly nicer interior. And like the door handles that are smooth as mine.

[Filippo]

Available with distronic. Cuz it may have been.

[Ken]

I don't think so. I mean this is early days, man. This is 03.

[Filippo]

The, the. The S classes.

[Ken]

Maybe the clks weren't. They were for. They didn't. They were for dri.

[Filippo]

They weren't for those.

[Ken]

They were for real drivers.

[Filippo]

Yep.

[Doug]

Driving up and down the highway, it's like a toner salesman.

[Ken]

That's why I like it. You think they're for toner salesmen. But everybody thinks that about these cars. They. They blend in. But when you get behind the wheel and you put that hammer down, you are in the next county by dinner time.

[Doug]

It's not that powerful.

[Ken]

It's 360 horsepower. I guarantee you if I own a car, I race your M5, I win.

[Doug]

No, that's not true.

[Ken]

Let's roll them. So whoever buys this car, bring it to the office. San Diego 9 Two something or other. I don't know exactly, but bring it here.

[Doug]

I'm sure I'll wipe you off wife. But it is a very cool car.

[Ken]

Okay.

[Doug]

Yeah.

[Ken]

Anyway, Filipa, you got anything?

[Filippo]

Yeah, I want to talk about Coinbase for a second. Oh boy.

[Ken]

Okay.

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[Ken]

We sold a pickup truck.

[Filippo]

Truck in partnership with Coinbase. And the truck got picked up yesterday.

[Ken]

A man came and got it.

[Filippo]

A man and his Friend came and got it, and they paid in usdc, as was prescribed in the auction.

[Ken]

Yeah.

[Filippo]

And I knew how it would work. I knew it would be seamless. And it was actually, like, better than I expected. He hadn't paid yet. He came to the office, we signed over the bill of sale, signed the title, and then he scanned a QR code on my phone for my Coinbase Apple. And then a minute Later, I had $17,000 or USDC in our Coinbase account. And it was truly the simplest experience I ever had. Meanwhile, one of our producers bought a card last weekend, and he flew with cash across the country to do this.

[Ken]

And it's like, here's a.

[Filippo]

Here's a better way.

[Doug]

Two things. One, he did do that. He was. It was. I've never seen.

[Ken]

It's the craziest thing I've ever seen. Give him the title. He was sitting on the podcast.

[Doug]

He doesn't have the title.

[Ken]

He doesn't have the title.

[Doug]

He was sitting on the plane, and he was like, I'm gonna buy his car. It's so excited. And the guy called him, and I was like, I don't know if I want to sell it. He's sitting on the plane to go there.

[Filippo]

It was the crazy thing makes fun of our producer time. But he had to, like, go to the bank and do all this. And here's like, a way better way.

[Doug]

I actually, like.

[Filippo]

He doesn't have the title because the seller wanted the check to clear.

[Doug]

Right. I have to point out, I. I was here while Filippo handled this. I helped put the license plates. He did pain in the ass on this car.

[Ken]

Why'd you take them off?

[Doug]

They had new place.

[Ken]

Why?

[Filippo]

Because California. I don't know.

[Ken]

California plates stay with the car. Why didn't you leave them on? These are.

[Filippo]

These are probably 25 received new place from DMV. I. I wasn't part of the.

[Doug]

I followed orders very hard because it has the nut on the. It was like the defender situation. Very hard. But it was true that within, like, I mean, it was over in 15 minutes. It was so fast that the guy left. He forgot his backpack, had to come back and get it. Like, that's how quick it is.

[Ken]

Interesting, because that's one of people's big complaints about the car buying process. I'm, of course, a little skeptical. Skeptical of crypto and all that. But I will say this does take some interesting friction out of the process, because there is always that level of friction. Like, how many. When Nick is buying sketchy cars almost exclusively. When Nick is buying sketchy cars, the friction point is he doesn't want to pay and the guy doesn't want to release the title of the car until he pays. But you have this sketchy little moment here and if you could do it all kind of at once, it changes.

[Filippo]

Everything so quick that it made it life, life legitimately way easier.

[Ken]

Right.

[Filippo]

I didn't have to wait for anything and it was just there.

[Ken]

Well, the guy's got his truck. Where does he live? He's local.

[Filippo]

Yeah, he lives, he lives in the San Diego area and he is rightfully very excited. Also the truck looks so good.

[Ken]

It's so cool.

[Filippo]

I moved it to like, I brought it outside for him and it just.

[Ken]

Marty much truck.

[Doug]

Yep.

[Filippo]

Such a good.

[Doug]

He'd asked us if we'd redone the interior. It's like no, we just cleaned. It's just an honest, you know, I drove the truck.

[Ken]

It was hard to believe because it had a lot of miles. But back in this era, it's hard to explain now but back in this era Toyota's focus was on just really durable simple parts but durable ones. Like this truck doesn't have a tack like it does even though it's a manual. Like it doesn't have stuff that you would want but like it has. It runs like it three gauges. Yeah, right. Fuel temp but tac would be nice for a manual but it doesn't have that. But that wasn't. Toyota's focus wasn't giving you nice stuff like attack. It was just like we want to make the small amount of stuff we do provide really last. And it did, it does. It was amazing how this truck, it held up after this many miles. It's further proof also that if you have your car in California and you take care of it mechanically, it can run for as long as you're willing to continue to operate it. It will just keep going. Like the elements will not consume the vehicle.

[Doug]

So true. For instance if like, if you look underneath that it was still like, I mean for a California truck. Look at that. I mean it was like it was still pretty.

[Ken]

Now this was in the pre rust era for Toyota. Toyota then had an issue where the truck could have been hermetically sealed and still the bed would slip maul from the frame.

[Filippo]

They replaced a frame.

[Ken]

They replaced a lot of frames under recall for like 20 year old products. That is a tough recall because you have techs in New Hampshire who have to pull the body off a Sequoia and then, and then like take rusted parts from under and put a new frame.

[Filippo]

I mean, man, hope they have tennis shots.

[Ken]

Right? Okay, so that was the coinbase thing. It went well. The truck. The truck is gone. Kenan, give us your talk Car segment. It was Filippo related.

[Doug]

Yes. I have a Filippo related thing. So Filippo and I are, you know, Filippo and I, for those who don't know, to work together. Filippo helps run this company. He's our director of operations at. Your official title.

[Filippo]

Doesn't matter.

[Doug]

Something like that. And I'm the managing editor, so. And I run the team of auction specialists that create all the listings. And Filippo and I were in a meeting, and he. Somebody brought it up. So it's like, guess what car Kennan is in? At the office when we have meetings, we sit in the back of all these cars.

[Filippo]

Part of Life of Carson beds.

[Doug]

And they said. Everybody said, oh, it's an M5. But we have two. We have the challenge M5. We have my M5. And said, which one is it? And Fleetwood said, I know which one.

[Filippo]

Sure did.

[Doug]

And I looked at it, and I was like, philippe, how'd you know There were two giveaways.

[Filippo]

One is, you have a rear dash cam.

[Doug]

I do, yes.

[Filippo]

Which is one. The second is that I know for a fact that our challenge one has a full leather interior.

[Doug]

That's right.

[Ken]

Which.

[Filippo]

Yours is an option. Yours does not have, which is unfortunate.

[Doug]

It's a benefit.

[Filippo]

But the full leather interior ones don't have the rear sunshades.

[Doug]

That's right.

[Filippo]

The doors and the. Yours, which does not have full leather, does. And you had the rear sunshade extended.

[Doug]

Yes, that's correct.

[Filippo]

I then tried to explain to my wife why I was proud of this and she did not understand.

[Doug]

I once told him this, and he retained it, and he said, oh, that's interesting. I assumed. Okay, well. But no. Filippo then brought it up months later. And, of course, me being me, I was ecstatic. And so I realized something. Filippo.

[Filippo]

Yes.

[Doug]

I vow to you that I will learn some facts about normal cars, about normal trim levels. You can pick whatever it is that you want, really. But in general, I'm going to internalize the stuff that you have to say about normals, because I realize that there's a huge blind spot in my automotive knowledge.

[Ken]

Okay.

[Doug]

I'm honored, and I'm going to retain that information. I will try to bring it up in a meeting whenever I can.

[Filippo]

I'm honored.

[Doug]

So you will be my teacher, and I your student.

[Filippo]

I vow to support this.

[Ken]

Okay. Moving on to our next segment, the market Report. Now, as. As always, the market report is brought to you by Cars and Bids and. Or the Cars and Bids app, which you can access by going to the App Store and downloading it. Is that.

[Filippo]

That's all.

[Ken]

It's all correct, folks. I. It's only took me. It only took me six months, but I got it.

[Filippo]

I'm so proud of you.

[Ken]

You go to the App Store? I have it on my cellular telephone.

[Filippo]

Yeah, that's great. There's a lot of exciting stuff in it.

[Ken]

I got a lot of weird apps recently, too.

[Doug]

Is that so?

[Filippo]

What is it?

[Ken]

Yeah, no, I got some weird. I got some weird stuff on here now because I've had to do stuff lately. I got. I got the American Airlines app. Wow.

[Doug]

You had to fly. Very weird.

[Ken]

I hate the airline apps. Estate farm. Why do I have the State Farm app? Get out of here.

[Doug]

Shout out to the United app. It's actually very good.

[Ken]

Okay, I want to talk market report.

[Filippo]

Somebody that wants a miles.

[Ken]

Oh, but our app is great. Not like the State Farm app, which may or may not be great. I don't think I used it. Okay, I want to talk market report and I want to start with the 4 GT. You know about the 4 GT?

[Filippo]

I am familiar.

[Ken]

I'm going to make up.

[Filippo]

You wanted the one or the old one?

[Ken]

I'm going to make up. There was no old one.

[Doug]

Well, there is, but it wasn't called gt.

[Ken]

That's kind of the. That's kind of the thing. You know, if I called his car the M. No.

[Filippo]

He'd be so fast.

[Ken]

Five Competition. He'd be upset. Okay, so I'm going to make a. I'm going to make a proclamation. Here's a proclamation for you. And I'm stating this on February 12th, but this goes live on 14th. Valentine's Day. That's how we'll remember it. I said it on Valentine's Day 25, the old Ford GT, within three years will be selling for more than the new Ford gt. So I'm talking about the manual transmission. This Ford gt. Yep. Set a calendar.

[Doug]

I'm putting it in my calendar right now.

[Ken]

This Ford GT will be selling for more than the new one that's built in.

[Filippo]

The nicest versions of this one, but selling for more than the worst versions.

[Doug]

Of the new one.

[Ken]

Let me put. I'll put it. I'll even go through it.

[Filippo]

I need specifics.

[Ken]

The nicest versions of this one, the 05, will be selling for more than an average to. Okay. Version of the new. The market is already clearly showing this. Nicest versions of this car are now in the 6 to 700 plus range. What the. They're selling all the time.

[Filippo]

From what heritages?

[Ken]

No, all even colors are selling for over 600 now. The old. The new Ford GT is now down into the low eights with a little bit of miles. A special one with no miles. Whatever is maybe still a million bucks. Maybe. I am marking this date. Kenan is typing it out.

[Doug]

I'm writing it all down.

[Ken]

It's taking 35 minutes, but he's adding his calendar. This date. I am saying that within three years, 2028, the old 4GTS will be selling for more than the new 4GTS based on the trajectory. By the way, they made three times.

[Filippo]

As many based on the trajectory. You're so right.

[Doug]

This is good opportunity. What is this?

[Ken]

47.

[Doug]

47. Okay. Writing that down.

[Ken]

So podcast number 200.

[Filippo]

I think that's fine, give or take. Close enough.

[Ken]

By podcast 200, the old 4 GTs will be eclipsing the new 4 GT. Now, when. When the. When the. When the new 4 GT came out, people like, oh, my God.

[Filippo]

This is a different special car.

[Ken]

This is a totally different crazy thing. Amazing. They've changed everything. The market doesn't want it. No, but the market wants this guy.

[Filippo]

Isn't surprising.

[Ken]

This is a V8 with a.

[Filippo]

With a manual, and it's raw. And the new one is very raw. It's a race car, but it's not.

[Ken]

But they made 41 of these.

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[Ken]

And the new one, they only made, like, 4100. 1200. They made 4038 of these. They made, like, 1250 new ones. Ones. They're literally four times as many. And I am still making this prediction.

[Filippo]

If you asked me what car for 350 grand.

[Ken]

Yeah.

[Filippo]

I would buy. Yeah, it'd be a Ford gt.

[Ken]

Really? You. Did you hear that?

[Doug]

I'm stunned to have heard it.

[Ken]

I think so, because it's.

[Doug]

You both have invitations for this event.

[Ken]

It is.

[Filippo]

It is actually one of the. Like, there's not that many cars in that price, frankly, that are that appealing. But this is such a special car. It's a standalone piece of history in a lot of ways. It's not like the best version of a 911. It's something.

[Ken]

It's its own car, and that makes it really special. But it's gonna be Montana.

[Filippo]

It's gonna be a shame when they are. When this is 600.

[Ken]

Well, I'll tell you, it ain't. It ain't Far off nice ones, even. Even mild ones are starting to sell.

[Filippo]

For what do you think yours is? 35,000 miles?

[Ken]

I wouldn't sell mine today. I mean, I'm not interested in selling mine. If I was interested in selling mine, I think I could probably get between 350 and 375. You just said for 350. I don't think they're out there for 350 anymore.

[Filippo]

Yours is exceptionally high miles.

[Ken]

Mine is exceptional. Exceptionally high mileage. But it's a special color. I think that a red car with my miles is maybe a 350 car, but you won't find one. It's much easier to find a car with 2,000 miles or 800 miles than to find one with high miles.

[Filippo]

Man, what a shame.

[Ken]

These cars. 400 is the new baseline for like a car with any sort of miles. A higher. A lower mileage one is like a 450 car. And really nice ones are easily 600 heritages are about to crest 7.

[Doug]

Here's the question I hope.

[Filippo]

Sorry. Go ahead, please.

[Doug]

I hope that with their value appreciation and enthusiastic appreciation for these cars that Ford then and start supporting them more. Because one of the issues you've run into is like, they don't do the best job supporting these cars and supplying parts for owners. The things are hard to get for these. They're getting harder to get.

[Ken]

But I have three of these.

[Doug]

They're just lower. Doug is pointing to the lower splitter on the front of his car.

[Ken]

Front splitters. And I have a whole new set of brake rotors.

[Filippo]

Haven't you publicly said that Actually they're still available?

[Ken]

The splitters are still available and still cheap. I bought three splitters for like 300 bucks. Like. Like when I bought the car seven years ago thinking I was a God. And actually they cost the same now. And that might have probably been damaged sitting in my basement.

[Doug]

Gauges are a problem. Tail lights are.

[Ken]

Gauges are a problem, but not hard to find.

[Doug]

Okay, but tail lights are a problem.

[Ken]

Wasn't.

[Doug]

What is something else?

[Ken]

I don't know. I've never had an issue with mine. My reverse light went out, but we found out that it was the same bulb from a Tacoma.

[Filippo]

And so I just.

[Doug]

Reliable component.

[Ken]

The point is. The point is these cars are showing what the market prefers. The new Ford GT has proven to be tremendously complicated. The dealers are already refusing to work on it or simply don't demonstrate the technical know how. They're obviously way more like focused, frenetic, like hardcore vehicles, which I Think most people don't really want for cars they drive around. No, you can't.

[Filippo]

You can't drive this around.

[Ken]

You can't. And the old one just has the look, the V8, the manual, it has what you want.

[Filippo]

This is cool. I will say the new. I remember your video where you went out.

[Ken]

The new one is incredibly cool. I can't imagine these ever drop down to 500 stuff. But the old one I can imagine will be in the 500 to 800 range for a long time. And I bet you'll at some point be able to choose between new and old.

[Filippo]

Will values eclipse your countach?

[Ken]

Will there be a. I can't believe it. I'm sitting here watching 4gt values climb. I'm thinking, folks, you need to get a countach. God, that one is just.

[Doug]

Or if you can both.

[Filippo]

Yep, you can both.

[Ken]

Okay. Felipe, you got a market report for us?

[Filippo]

Yeah. Can we talk about Volvo V60, please? I, I look, I am who I am.

[Doug]

I'm not rolling my eyes.

[Ken]

I'm here to learn.

[Filippo]

All right. Last week we sold a Volvo V60 T8 Pulsar engineered extended range.

[Doug]

Amazing.

[Filippo]

Now that's a really long name, but here's what it is. It's a wagon from Volvo. It's practical, it's great. It also has a plug in hybrid and it's like the most powerful version of that. And it has Ohen stampers.

[Ken]

Where is this? Denver.

[Doug]

They like doing Ohen stampers.

[Filippo]

Yeah, they do. I wasn't going to say it correctly, I wasn't going to try, but here's a car that the, the, there's a window sticker in the dock section. I don't remember offhand. Okay, this was a 70000 car.

[Ken]

70 car.

[Filippo]

Right.

[Ken]

In 22.

[Filippo]

In 22 they've driven it 30000 miles up on that almost 40. And it's over 54 at normal Volvo depreciation.

[Ken]

Oh, yeah.

[Filippo]

Three times that amount.

[Ken]

Yeah. A 22 XC60 is like a 19 car.

[Filippo]

So he. I'm stunned by how well this has received value. Now. They didn't sell a lot of.

[Ken]

No, they're hard to.

[Filippo]

And especially the nice versions of T8s which have the pulsar engineering. They don't all have that. Yep, this is the one you want if you want to be sexy. I'm not surprised somebody paid up for it, but man, did they pay up for it.

[Ken]

Well, it's a special car. When are you going to find another one? If you're looking for one of these. It's one of those things. It's like me looking for the Gls with the off road package.

[Filippo]

You win in the wagon community, you win. I think you win more than if you had like E63AMG.

[Ken]

I was driving the Ford GT home from dinner the other night and one of these got up next to me and was like trying. Yeah, it was a T8. It had all these badges. I admit I'm a little lost by some of the top end versions of this car.

[Filippo]

They got a little confusing.

[Ken]

They got a little confusing. But it was. It was this. It was a V60 with the Polestar badge.

[Filippo]

The only other one in the country probably.

[Ken]

It was pretty cool. And he was like going fast next to me and I wasn't racing a full station wagon. But you know, I mean I'm gonna.

[Doug]

Right. It's a ridiculous situation.

[Filippo]

Plus they would have won. No, it's only 455 horsepower. But it's so cool. And I'm glad that the market is the market to appreciate these in a meaningful.

[Ken]

The market does appreciate these. These V 60s. I get a lot of people who come up to me on the street and I'm like, I have a V60.

[Filippo]

Really?

[Ken]

Yeah. I legitimately. Whether it's one of these or just a regular one, but it's set. They're an enthusiast car in the sense that it is a smaller wagon. Remember the competition for this car? None of them were sold here.

[Filippo]

No.

[Ken]

The C Class wagon was gone. The 3 series wagon was gone and.

[Filippo]

Only ever the 3. The last generation was just 320.

[Ken]

The A4 was all road only and small motor only still has it. You had to be like a serious enthusiast to pursue the high performance Volvo V60.

[Filippo]

Plus this. For what it's worth, I think the seller did themselves a huge favor with the photos which look great. And selling with a ski box and a tow hitch.

[Ken]

Was the ski box included in the sale?

[Filippo]

Probably made a real difference because the look is great. I'm jealous of this person.

[Ken]

You're jealous of the buyer?

[Filippo]

I'm jealous of the buyer and of the seller because he owned it for.

[Ken]

A few years and he made this.

[Filippo]

I want this.

[Doug]

Yeah, well, you could. It sounds like this guy didn't lose much money.

[Filippo]

So like, you know, you can't find any for sale.

[Doug]

It's not a customer.

[Filippo]

You truly can't.

[Ken]

He's. He's also. It's too small.

[Filippo]

Can I European delivery this? You can.

[Ken]

They still sell this?

[Filippo]

I think so.

[Ken]

Maybe the last year they still Sell this new. The problem with Volvo Euro deliveries, it starts in Sweden at the end of the day.

[Filippo]

That sounds awesome.

[Doug]

You gotta go.

[Ken]

It's not awesome. It takes like a day to get anywhere you want to be. No offense to the Swedes watching, but I. But if you're going to Europe on vacation, it is surprising Gothenburg isn't your top choice. Denmark, it'd be nice.

[Filippo]

It is surprising how little they lost.

[Doug]

In this even then.

[Ken]

How little what?

[Filippo]

How little money they lost.

[Ken]

Yeah, it is.

[Filippo]

That becomes interesting.

[Ken]

You present it well. It's a special car. It's a rare car nonetheless. They paid 69. They probably didn't pay 69 too, honestly. Okay, Kenan, give us your market report.

[Doug]

Yes. Now, we had a very special car sell on the site recently. One of all time favorite cars, this Aston Martin dbs, but critically had a six speed manual transmission. They produced these cars with six speeds but they didn't make all that many of them. They made a lot more of these than its competitor, the 599. They made, you know, a handful with six speed man transmissions. These are substantially more common. But this car was a one owner car Flippa. And I talked about it on the live now segment of on the other channel on the cars and vids channel and it sold for a strong money. 114 grand. Feels like like right for this car. But it had 53, 300 lots of miles for one of these. Yeah.

[Filippo]

Wow.

[Ken]

So this thing had miles and still brought 114.

[Doug]

Yep.

[Ken]

Which is especially impressive because if you look up DB9s which ultimately had the same powertrain and basically the same look.

[Doug]

Yeah, similar look. We'll say but.

[Ken]

Yes, but so that, I mean an 09 DB9 is a 42 car. It's admittedly with an automatic. I imagine it may would be more. But the point is the dbs, not.

[Doug]

As much as you think actually.

[Ken]

Do we have sticks on here?

[Doug]

The point is I've seen some sell in other places for around in the, in the 30s.

[Ken]

The point, the point is like the DBS without that many changes is a really. The db. You know what? The DBS is the challenge stradale of the DB9.

[Doug]

That's exactly what it is. Are you going to rail against it and say you hate it?

[Ken]

No, I've never driven one. I, I've always wanted to. I wish we had. You've never driven. I. We should have sent this one down. It was like an Oxnard, wasn't it?

[Doug]

It was in Hollywood. But yeah, it's a but. Yeah, I know but, yeah, it's a. I've. I have driven a manual. I've driven two, actually, the only DVs's I've ever driven were manual.

[Ken]

I mean, it's, it's.

[Filippo]

But it.

[Ken]

It's so cool.

[Doug]

It's not. It is an incredibly light clutch and the bite point for whatever, even when the clutch is brand new, is actually surprisingly high. So it's not as, like, great as you think, but who cares? Like I told Filippo, your heel, toe.

[Ken]

Downshifting, heel to downshift in a V12, and it just had. It had just enough subtle changes that, like, those who know, know, and to us, nobody else really matters. Like, if someone else sees me and thinks it's a DB9, that just means they're not that much of a guard. They screw up, they know what it's.

[Doug]

Your shifter looks like a Power Ranger.

[Ken]

It was foot. Cool.

[Doug]

Jamie Clarkson's foot.

[Ken]

It's cool. It's so cool. Such a cool, cool. The shifter is really cool.

[Filippo]

Truly such a cool.

[Ken]

But it's that it is the challenge Strudal. It's like the upgrades were subtle but significant. Significant. It wasn't just cosmetic stuff. It wasn't just a manual transmission. They gave it more power, better suspension, better wheels. The flared rockers, the manual, the interiors, there's, like, little. And the clear tails.

[Doug]

Well, as Jeremy Clarkson described it when it was new, it's like a DB9S. Every single part of the car is just a little bit better. And that totality of adding all that up, that's what makes it a better car.

[Ken]

So one owner car for 16 years with the manual here in LA.

[Doug]

Yeah. 114.

[Ken]

114. That is a cool car. And I don't know if it's a buy or not at 114, I don't see them losing value. I swear, these things were 100 grand 10 years ago.

[Doug]

No, and I think it's just such a good experience.

[Ken]

Experience.

[Doug]

I mean. I mean, get one of those. I.

[Ken]

What are you going to get one of these? Or an Acura.

[Filippo]

A DB9, likely not in the 30s. Interesting.

[Ken]

Oh, no, he's. But again. But again, he's a. I am who I am. Okay, we're going to move on to the questions, questions, questions. Now, remember, you too can ask us questions. You go to carsandbids.com you click on the community tab and then there's going to be a post there that says, this is where you ask your questions and then you can ask your questions there. Did that make sense?

[Filippo]

Yep.

[Ken]

Okay. Questions. First question from Toyota suit Bruh. Question for all. Do you pay attention to the Doug is the type of guy comments? If so, are there any that stood out? You were especially funny for a long time. I did, but I don't really anymore. And I don't really remember a lot of them anymore.

[Filippo]

There's a lot.

[Ken]

There's a lot. It got like, I. I thought they were fun. I'm not trying to like, say, oh, I don't listen to that. Screw those people. Like, I'm not one of the. I thought there was a good period of time where they were funny, but it was like three, four years.

[Filippo]

Everyone's a stalker. They are. Where somebody will, like, be watching an old video and like, message me a screenshot of a comment. And there's some great ones.

[Ken]

There were some great ones. But you know, the meme. I don't know. The meme's not as strong as it is as it used to be. Plus there should be fleepos the type of guy comments because. Damn. Next question.

[Doug]

There are fleet post type of guy. Let's see.

[Filippo]

I don't know the type of guy.

[Ken]

Never with Filippo spelled correctly, by the way.

[Doug]

Or Kenan.

[Ken]

Kenan and Filippo. No one's ever spelled them K, E.

[Doug]

N, N, A, N. I'm not too.

[Ken]

Many I's and l's and P's. Honestly, sometimes I have trouble. Sometimes I have trouble. Sometimes I have to copy and paste it off someday. Sometimes I have to sign into our. Into our pay stub system and copy and paste it off there just off his Social Security information. Because that's the only way I know for sure.

[Filippo]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Doug]

Or you just type in. Yeah. Pow.

[Ken]

Next. Pow. P, A, O is how I say. Next question from Alec Metz, 2011. Why do you guys sometimes choose not to answer questions on here? Okay, let me tell you what happened. Back in the day, I used to say that we would answer the highest upvoted question no matter how stupid, and then you don't have happened. Some of them were really stupid. No. What I've decided. Here's what happened. I have noticed that when we post the question, this launches every Friday, morning or afternoon. I don't know when it launched, to be honest. And when we post the questions, I've noticed that there are some people who instantly post a question and then that gets upvotes and then that question is like the top upvoted question. And sometimes that question is not very well thought and is often the same person asking the questions every week. And every week and so I've decided to, instead of focusing on people who hurry to ask their questions right away, to try to take questions that are more interesting and more exciting some of the time. Not this week, though. I'm answering the top up voted this week.

[Filippo]

I will also say some of the questions are sometimes duplicative, which I'm sure is not intentional, but if we've answered it in a recent.

[Ken]

Yeah, that's also true. We've done 47 of these. I have a general good knowledge. We've been asked the question a million times. What car are you excited to import this year?

[Doug]

What car would you buy for 45 grand?

[Ken]

Listen, yeah, like, I move on from. From a lot of those questions, but generally I try to answer all of the questions at the top, with exceptions only. I never will deflect a controversial question. Throw me some controversy, folks. I love it. I eat it up. However, if they're boring questions.

[Doug]

It's been a while since you chewed on the microphone.

[Ken]

Okay.

[Filippo]

Would people listening at home without the video think happened there?

[Ken]

Next question from tangle92. This is actually a decent question question. Assuming Kenan pulls the trigger on a Cayenne, that would mean that between the three of you, there are 10 vehicles, half of which are German. That's not entirely true.

[Filippo]

Is it close.

[Ken]

I have six cars. You have three cars. So he. And he has two. So that's.

[Filippo]

Two thirds of my cars are German.

[Ken]

But a lot of German. The point is a lot of German.

[Filippo]

All of his cars are German. Half of your cars are German.

[Ken]

So he says, in a hypothetical situation where all German vehicles were wiped from the planet, how would you replace your beloved vehicles with the closest American, Italian and Japanese equivalent?

[Filippo]

With joy.

[Ken]

Yeah, I would actually love it, to be perfectly honest. First off, I get an XJ 220.

[Doug]

I mean, I like to be honest with you. It's like there are some. I mean, CT5V Blackwing is pretty appealing. Like it's. There are. There are cars that I like that are not just Germans do make wonderful cars. Like, that's what they do as a nation. 550 Maranello would be a really lovely.

[Ken]

Right. The thing that annoys.

[Doug]

Anytime Italian word comes up, Filippo says it in Italian.

[Ken]

The thing things that annoy me about the Germans is what makes them good manufacturers of cars.

[Doug]

That's because they're pedantic, focused, no humor.

[Ken]

Generally speaking, good engineering, folk engineering rules all. I'll never forget. This is a little German story for you. One time in here in the United States, if you walk Through a supermarket parking lot, you can generally assume that cars will stop for you. Like the pedestrian is gone, you've got.

[Doug]

Your cart with your exit, you spent a fortune.

[Ken]

People are like, oh, I'm gonna stop. Like no matter what. People are walking haphazard way ways in every supermarket parking lot and cars are like 8, 000ft from. I remember one time I was in Germany with some of my Porsche colleagues and I was walking through a parking lot and I kind of walked in front of a car and they're like, what are you doing? And I was like, what do you mean? And they're like, they like made it clear that the machine has the right. In Germany, the machine has the right of way.

[Doug]

Yes. You expect the car, what you're doing, you wait your turn. You are very small. It is very big. You can't wait.

[Filippo]

That's true in Italy too, but for very different reasons.

[Ken]

Right. In Italy you can't.

[Filippo]

The driver will run you over.

[Doug]

But that's not that God made man, but man made this.

[Ken]

Anyway, the point is I would have actually no problem with it. I love my Ford gt. I love my Countach. The only, the only car that it would be annoying to replace would be the Courier gt.

[Filippo]

What?

[Ken]

Oh, my E class station wagon.

[Doug]

Yeah.

[Ken]

I'd get a V60 Polestar.

[Doug]

But you. Hold on a second. You said that, you said the Ford GT is the quote unquote poor man's Carrera gt. Yeah, it delivers as close to an experience from another manufacturer, you would say. So that would be the car you'd replace it with if you couldn't have a German car.

[Ken]

Well, I already have the Ford gt. Honestly, if the crore GT went, I'd probably just take the cash and hang out for a while, brag about it to Filippo.

[Doug]

But then you couldn't get a 993 Turbo.

[Ken]

No, I'd get an XJ220. I'd get an XJ220.

[Doug]

Wow. Don Law, send it to Dawn Law.

[Ken]

And you know what would happen? Here's what happened. I'm driving my XJ220 and I get up at a stoplight next to an EB 110, and I'd say 110, 220.

[Doug]

He made this point with. He said, with my E39, he said, can I just realize something? E39, F40, F40.

[Ken]

You got E39.

[Doug]

I got F40.

[Ken]

Better in every way. One better?

[Doug]

Well, yeah, obviously it's better.

[Ken]

Okay, question, Next question. Some guy from Seattle. We're going to do maybe two to three more. Some guy from Seattle. Question for all. What is the best weekend car for around $15,000, give or take 2,000 to $3,000. Pull up some sales, Ken.

[Filippo]

There's a clear answer.

[Ken]

You Boxer. 986 Boxer NA, MIATA, NB. ND. You can get ND's for 50.

[Filippo]

You can get an ND for 15.

[Ken]

We've had this discussion before and I still don't think it's true. 18:27 Go to lowest priced NDs.

[Filippo]

Oh, you don't want to know where that goes.

[Doug]

There's 13.

[Ken]

Fine. There's 16.

[Filippo]

I remember this one had sold recently for 15.

[Ken]

This one was totaled.

[Doug]

I do remember that car.

[Ken]

Filippo, you can't get these cars.

[Filippo]

December 3rd, we sold one for 16.

[Ken]

For 16. But it's. How many miles are on this car?

[Doug]

Reasonable number 29.

[Ken]

Eight.

[Doug]

Let's see. Good Carfax.

[Ken]

But you wouldn't get a 986 over an NA or an ND.

[Filippo]

Not a chance.

[Ken]

Really? But there's so much mid engine. Dude. What about an Mr. 2? What does an SW20 go for? What are you, a 12? Nine. This one? That's Japanese, but that's Japanese. That's right hand drive. Yeah, but that.

[Filippo]

You can still get turbos.

[Ken]

But I want to shift with my right hand. I'm. I'm right hand dominant.

[Doug]

This one's not probably a lot.

[Ken]

TMU is my favorite type of miles because it could be. It could be 10,000.

[Doug]

It's really not known.

[Filippo]

A. A996 cab with a tip is 15.

[Ken]

Yeah.

[Doug]

This one. This one. 50.

[Ken]

Yeah. 906 tip with a tip. I would rather have this car 5 million times over than a tip. Dude. Can I buy that? Go back to that. Can I just have this? When did we sell this?

[Filippo]

In 20? 21.

[Ken]

21. 13. 13 7. I mean, you probably can't buy this car for 137 anymore. I love this park that this car is at. What's. Where is this car? It was California owned, but it's in Wisconsin. I was like, that doesn't look like.

[Filippo]

You can find some really high mile ones at that point.

[Ken]

Could I get an Mr.2? Oh, yeah.

[Doug]

What about S2000 is the answer. This one seems like pretty reasonable. 14 2.

[Filippo]

Oh, no. It's a weekend car.

[Ken]

Yeah. 207 ND2.

[Filippo]

Is that your ND? 2 ND2 aren't cheap enough. Yeah.

[Doug]

All right.

[Ken]

You rather have an ND than an S2000?

[Filippo]

No, you're right.

[Doug]

No, you wouldn't.

[Ken]

That ship S2000 than an SW20 Turbo?

[Filippo]

Yes.

[Ken]

Really? SW20 Turbo is a powerful car. I'm not a mid engine is important to me. I, I've spent a lot of time driving mid engine cars and the, the, the physics difference is significant.

[Filippo]

Okay. Why not a 987? Yeah, you. You can get it. That.

[Ken]

I don't think you can get a manual 987.1 at 50, but it's hard.

[Filippo]

Hard.

[Ken]

Go, go down. Go down. Just go down. Go back.

[Filippo]

Oh, yeah, you can do it.

[Doug]

Yes. I selected. He's making fun of for sure.

[Filippo]

Caymans barely.

[Ken]

It's hard to find. Yeah, it's hard to find. Like these are mines.

[Filippo]

We sold some really high mile ones or problematic ones.

[Ken]

I don't need a Cayman. People are always like, Cayman, Cayman, Cayman. I'm a living SoCal man. I'm gonna take a box for all day long. How many miles are on this?

[Doug]

105.

[Ken]

That's actually. Yeah, the base, dude. You get a bass boxer for 13 and you beat on it. You beat, beat on it. That's a driver.

[Filippo]

That is a driver.

[Ken]

I don't know what the answer is, but it's one of those.

[Doug]

So. Yeah, so S2000SW20ND model 987. Any good at decent 986? No.

[Filippo]

Yeah, you can get a TL type S, but it's not really a great weekend.

[Doug]

It's not really a weekend car. Yeah, but something like that. Something along those lines.

[Ken]

Okay, two more. This one is really fast. I'm gonna do it, you guys. If you disagree with me, you chime in, but I don't think you will. From TSX enthusiast. Keep, sell, destroy Cadillac, CNN, Chrysler ME412, Volkswagen W12. Nardo. The answer is keep the CN. Don't care what happens to the other two. All right. I never got into the ME412. Everybody else never really cared. Okay, I'm going to choose one more. Oh, here's a good one. You know what? I'm going to do three more.

[Filippo]

Wow.

[Ken]

Sure.

[Doug]

Do it.

[Filippo]

Wow.

[Ken]

We're going to be quick. Do it. First one. Which car sellers are the most out of touch with the value of their car when setting their reserve? I haven't done reserve setting in a long time.

[Filippo]

That's a clear answer. A lot of them who modified Wrangler owners.

[Ken]

Oh, modded Jeep Wrangler owners. They think that the mods they threw on double the value when actually they don't. Especially in Florida. Okay, next question.

[Filippo]

Clyde.

[Ken]

But yeah, yeah, yeah, you're right. Old bitty. Another theoretical for you. You're forced to own only one car that was introduced in the year you were born. I'm bringing this up easy. I'm bringing this up because it's useful for me. Reliability is in play here. What car do you pick? F40.

[Doug]

F50.

[Ken]

Damn it. By the way, this is supposed to be our only car, right? Done. Yep. Next question.

[Doug]

Clutch is easy to use in that car, hard to service.

[Filippo]

But, you know, I'm looking at the list.

[Ken]

What year were you born?

[Filippo]

94. So the. The 355 was. But so was Rs2 avant.

[Ken]

C class.

[Filippo]

Rsvant.

[Ken]

C class.

[Filippo]

Rs, I think C class for him.

[Ken]

So F40. F50. And then. No.

[Doug]

No way.

[Ken]

Absolutely not. That didn't come out till at least 96. 97. The. The gen that it was based on. What isn't even out until 95.

[Filippo]

The legacy gen, first generation, 1994.

[Ken]

That did not come out in 95.

[Doug]

McLaren F1 was in production in 1995, but it wasn't.

[Ken]

It didn't come out.

[Doug]

Didn't come out. Oh, come out. Yeah. Okay.

[Ken]

So yeah, production F40.

[Filippo]

F50, original four for the 1995 model year. For the Outback.

[Ken]

For the Legacy Outback. He's the C class. Okay. Final question from Aker Shaw. Any idea where your360 went? Seems like an important car in the trajectory of your career. Would you ever try to get it back? I sold my 360 to a man, very nice man in the robotics world. And seriously. And he was the CTO of a robotics company. He bought it. Came in. He was living in Davis, California, near Sacramento. And he came in to Philly, where I was living at the time. Flew all the way across the country, drove the car, bought the car. Car went to Davis. This was in 2014. And that year I went to pebble beach and I saw the car at the quail parking lot, 137880. And he. And that was the last time I saw the car and never seen it again. And I don't really care about that. And. And the question is, would you ever try to get it back? Absolutely not. Anyway, goodbye, everyone. I never. The 360. I. I'm.

[Doug]

It's not free. It's part of your past and you acknowledge that. It's an important car in your process. I don't think you'd want your bumper to bump the Range Rover back or Gaston or anything.

[Ken]

I don't care. I will say this. I don't Care that much about my particular 360. Much. I mean, it was actually, in the world of them, it was a pretty good car. It was Russell Corsa stick 04, which is kind of the car you want. I. I did. I have increased my fondness for the 360 since I. In the. In the ensuing years, I was pretty disappointed with that car. And over the years, I've kind of come to reframe how I view the 360. And I actually think it's a really fun car. As long as you go into it not thinking that you're buying like a super special supercar ever. Which is what I thought. Like, I was like, I'm 22. I'm buying a Ferrari. This is the coolest thing in the world. You're 25. I was 25 and I was like, this is going to be the coolest thing ever. And it's just not like no possession will ever kind of have. But if you drive it for what it is, it's actually a pretty fun, fun car. That's assuming it has a gated manual transmission and three pedals which throw shade.

[Doug]

Who is a tip? That's F1 Frog.

[Ken]

Kenan wants a Stradale.

[Doug]

I do. Oh, man.

[Ken]

Yeah.

[Doug]

The dream.

[Ken]

Filippo, do you have any parting thoughts?

[Filippo]

Trying to think of any Ferrari that I want. Yeah.

[Ken]

What about the 456 Venice?

[Doug]

Oh, Filippo Wagon.

[Ken]

You know what the problem is? He doesn't know what it is. If he knew what it was.

[Filippo]

Of course I know what it is.

[Ken]

Of course I know what it is.

[Filippo]

I knew that his M5 had.

[Ken]

He says, of course I know what it is. Meanwhile, he doesn't know what I. He couldn't tell a Diablo from a Gallardo. He doesn't know what a Lamborghini Silhouette is.

[Doug]

That might be true.

[Filippo]

I know what an Oldsmobile Silhouette is. Can't give me anything.

[Doug]

This is the best podcast we've ever done.

[Ken]

Best podcast we've ever done. No party words from Fleeper. You're not even going to tell people to download the app?

[Filippo]

Oh, yeah. Go download the app. Go to the Apple Store.

[Doug]

Sell your card.

[Filippo]

App store on your iPhone and download the cards and pass app.

[Ken]

Go. You have to go to the App Store on your iPhone. You can't just.

[Filippo]

That's the easiest way to download it to your iPhone.

[Ken]

Can you send the app to your iPhone from a different device?

[Filippo]

I don't think so.

[Ken]

Apple's got some work to do.

[Doug]

Yeah, get on it.

[Filippo]

True. But it's a great app. Download it.