Toyota Reveals New Sports Car! New G-Wagon Looks Good? Buying Rare Concept Cars!

Summary

THIS CAR POD! with Doug DeMuro & Friends

Episode: Toyota Reveals New Sports Car! New G-Wagon Looks Good? Buying Rare Concept Cars!
Date: December 5, 2025

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Overview

This episode is packed with lively discussions on breaking automotive news, personal anecdotes, sharp opinions, and healthy doses of humor. Doug DeMuro and co-hosts Filippo and Kenan discuss Toyota’s much-hyped new sports car launch, analyze the newly teased G-Wagon Cabriolet, get giddy over the French auctioning off bizarre concept cars, and share intriguing market updates. They finish strong with mailbag Q&A—everything from daily drivers to the quirks of buying the perfect sports car.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

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1. Toyota’s New Sports Car: The Gazoo Racing GT (00:58–04:32)

• Hype & Uncertainty: The group excitedly speculates about Toyota’s pending launch of the GR GT, caught between embargoes and leaks.
  • “We don’t know yet. We’re filming this on the third, they are announcing the car on the fourth. You’re watching this on the fifth. So you’re like—why aren’t they talking about it? We don’t know yet.” —Doug (01:14)
• Rumors on Specs:
  • Anticipated to feature a hybrid V8 drivetrain, and possibly three body variations (Lexus, convertible, GT3-type).
  • “My understanding is there’s going to be three different models that are all somehow based on this Gazoo Racing GT.” —Filippo (01:56)
• Toyota’s Revitalization:
  • The hosts praise Toyota’s transformation from “boring” to “exciting.”
  • “Toyota has revitalized—they've gone from the most boring automaker... to actually making cool cars.” —Filippo (02:29)
• Context in the Market:
  • Positioning alongside GR Corolla, GR Supra, and international models like the GR Yaris.
  • Questioning whether the new model will follow the supercar path of the LFA, or take a more “AMG GT” approach in terms of exclusivity and performance.

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2. The G-Wagon Cabriolet Returns (04:33–11:17)

• First Look & Nostalgia:

  • Mercedes released teaser shots of the new G-Class Cabriolet. Doug and Kenan debate its looks and practicality.
  • “I love that they maintain the tradition of hideousness with that vehicle.” —Kenan (05:01)

• Purchase Criteria:

  • Doug’s interest hinges on price and general ‘showiness.’
  • “If it wasn’t too expensive… if it wasn’t showy in a way I deem inappropriate. The pictures make it seem like number two isn’t a problem.” —Doug (05:11)

• Detail Observations:

  • Two-row convertible is rare; chassis rigidity a concern.
  • Speculation about US market AMG-only versions, possible electrification, and market demand.

• Ownership Anxiety:

  • The group jokes about the social stigma: “Such an embarrassing car… Even if you got the right wheels, people will think you’re a complete [jerk].” —Doug (10:54)

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3. France's Wild Concept Car Auction (12:38–19:35)

• Unique Auction:

  • Renault is auctioning off old concept cars, a rarity usually reserved for corporate museums.
  • “France, as a nation, is selling their concept cars… I am truly obsessed with the idea of buying old concept cars.” —Doug (13:16)

• Wildest Lots:

  • The team fawns over bizarre prototypes: six-wheeled Clio, “deck up” trucks, the “breakup,” and a Laguna-based wagon with multiple doors.
  • “This is the weirdest thing I've ever... They didn't know how to make a door longer, so they copy paste, copy paste, copy paste.” —Kenan (17:19)

• Barriers to Ownership:

  • No VINs—cars can’t be titled or imported easily, only as "furniture or art."
  • Surprisingly affordable: “With a few exceptions, they estimate €6,000–8,000 for everything.” —Filippo (18:59)
  • “It’s art. This is up there with Monet.” —Doug (18:19)

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4. Jaguar Design Boss Fired (20:10–25:12)

• Industry Shakeup:

  • Jerry McGovern, Jag’s creative chief and key rebrand driver, is fired amid turbulence at Jaguar Land Rover.
  • “Jaguar was headed in the right direction.” —Doug (21:44)

• Brand Direction Questions:

  • The team reflects on Jaguar’s storied history and its struggles to find modern footing, especially with shifting EV market dynamics.

• Brand Nostalgia:

  • “In the 50s, Jaguar stood not only for speed, but reliability, toughness, and beauty... a genetic launching pad for the company.” —Kenan (23:23)
  • “The brand has a lot of brand equity. However, that doesn’t necessarily translate to a lot of sales. Just ask Aston Martin.” —Doug (24:05)

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5. The New USPS Mail Truck Arrives (25:13–29:53)

• Details:

  • Oshkosh Corporation developed new USPS ‘Next Generation Delivery Vehicle,’ 70% electric, 30% Ford turbocharged gas engines.
  • “They apparently cost $10,000 a year to maintain per year on average because they’re well past their lifetime.” —Filippo (25:52)

• Fun Fact:

  • Doug discovered they're already on USPS stamps (27:10).
  • “It is just one stamp that has the old and the new mail truck on it.” —Filippo (27:48)

• Review Aspirations:

  • Doug wants to review a new USPS truck. “Can I get a review of one of these?” —Doug (28:35)

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6. Trump’s Fuel Economy Rollbacks & Political Auto News (31:22–36:07)

• News Update:

  • The Trump administration is moving to roll back fuel economy standards from a projected 50.2 to 34.5 MPG by 2031.
  • “Mixed evidence on whether that’s actually true, but that’s today’s news story.” —Filippo (32:20)
  • US manufacturers cheer the move, especially those dependent on trucks/V8s.

• EU and California Relaxes Mandates:

  • Signs of backpedaling on aggressive EV and fuel standards both in Europe and California.

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7. Cadillac’s Formula 1 Super Bowl Reveal (36:09–37:59)

• F1 Hype:
  • Cadillac to unveil F1 livery during Super Bowl ad, with team’s race debut planned for 2026.
  • “When I was young… I was an odd ostracized child for a number of reasons, but one was my love of F1.” —Kenan (37:02)
  • Doug claims the move actually piques his F1 interest—a rarity for him.

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8. Pininfarina’s NSX “Restomod” (38:34–41:44)

• Rebody & Reboot:
  • Pininfarina’s new project “Tensei” re-bodies the first-gen Honda NSX with modern tech, carbon body, and a tuned V6.
  • “This actually looks… kind of cool. The coolest thing I think is the rear of the car.” —Kenan (39:13)
  • The group compares it to Singer’s approach to Porsche restomods and is cautiously optimistic about execution.

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9. Porsche Immobilizes Cars in Russia, Tech Concerns (41:44–44:12)

• PVTS Outage Locks Out Owners:

  • Hundreds of Russian Porsche owners left stranded when the tracking/immobilizer system failed.
  • “The fact that the potential tradeoff is you might not be able to start your car because a satellite fails… that’s a little problem.” —Doug (42:36)

• Risks of Over-Connectivity:

  • Raises larger questions about cybersecurity, geofencing, and the risks of remote tech embedded in modern cars.

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10. Talk Cars & Personal Ownership Quirks (44:49–53:30)

• Doug’s Countach Woes:

  • Countach breaks down due to clutch master and slave cylinder failure (“Not a big deal. But having the car be reliable is important.” —Doug, 45:36)
  • Unique issue: Lamborghini’s US parts warehouse burned in a UPS plane crash (47:21)

• Old Car Ownership Philosophy:

  • Doug emphasizes that patience and tolerance for breakdowns are part of owning vintage exotics—unlike high-end “collection-flippers.”
  • “People who attain money and buy these cars… are not prepared to own cars such as these.” —Doug (50:21)

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Memorable Tangent

“It is legitimately hard to have these cars and I’m here for it. And I understand that. That’s one of the reasons I don’t think Countach is really rocketing up in value. People really believe that it’s difficult to own. I’d rather own it and deal with the difficulty.” —Doug (52:38)

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11. Filippo’s Car Hunt: The Curse of “Perfect Spec” (53:41–57:07)

• Buying a 991 911:

  • Filippo describes his meticulous, sometimes neurotic search for a manual 991 911 Cabrio. “There’s like one for sale that is reasonable that I’ve not reached out to because… the spec is not one that I’m interested in.” —Filippo (56:23)
  • Doug and Kenan needle Filippo for being “too picky” and missing the opportunity.

• Heated seats debate:

  • “From my experience, it would be nice to have heated seats… in a convertible.” —Filippo (56:40)

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12. Market Report: Used Deals & Oddities (62:47–69:52)

• Kia Stinger GT Market:

  • Prices for the performance sedan are now “cheap, cheap, cheap… high teens, low twenties.” (63:05)
  • Doug claims it’s one of his all-time favorite daily drivers (“Top 20. Twenty-seven.” (63:20))

• Smart Crossblade Market is “Strong”:

  • $51K (!) for a Smart Crossblade. “We are the place to sell your Smart Crossblade. Forget about Mercedes-Benz!” (67:01)

• Special Builds:

  • 1977 Porsche 911 custom built over 12 years in a garage sells for $128.5K;
  • “You can add value by doing something in your garage.” —Filippo (67:49)
  • BMW wagon with a Maserati V8 swap (!) sells for $20K.

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13. Listener Q&A Highlights (71:22–End)

• San Diego Zoo Parking:
  • Doug will expense his zoo membership now that parking isn’t free.
• Engine Sharing Garage Challenge:
  • “E39 M5 V8 in two cars” and creative alt-picks like “Evora and Sienna” or “Corolla and Elise.”
• Daily Driver Surprises:
  • In a collection full of exotics, one owner’s daily is a 2002 Toyota Land Cruiser.
• Why No Tesla Model Y Video?:
  • Doug admits he “missed his chance,” blames Tesla PR, and asks Filippo to rent one via Turo.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Toyota’s sports car rumors:

  “You will know, and you’ll be like, these idiots. And you’ll be right.”
  —Doug (02:17)

• About the G-Wagon Cabrio:

  “It’s such an embarrassing car. Think of the people who are going to buy this.”
  —Doug (10:38)

• On France’s concept car oddities:

  “This is the weirdest thing I’ve ever… They didn’t know how to make a door longer, so they copy paste, copy paste, copy paste.”
  —Kenan (17:19)

• On classic car ownership:

  “Having the car be reliable is important… This isn’t like, ‘oh, because they installed the radiator 1 inch from the battery it melts the terminals…’ none of that stuff.”
  —Doug (46:41)

• On hypercar collectors:

  “To have a Countach… requires… I mean this thing breaks and I’m laughing. I’m not sending an Instagram DM to Christian von Koenigsegg complaining.”
  —Doug (50:27)

• On the USPS truck on stamps:

  “It is difficult for me to overstate a couple things. First off, I bought stamps the other day that have this truck on them.”
  —Doug (27:06)

• On auction strategies:

  “But we have found that when you announce the reserve is off, it kills bidding. That’s what we have found… announcing that turns the tide a little bit.”
  —Doug (81:15)

• On peculiar dailies of supercar owners:

  “He said, what do you daily? And he looked at his son and he said, what year is it? And the son was like, 2001, 2002. He was like, yeah, it’s a 2002 Toyota Land Cruiser.”
  —Doug (79:09)

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Additional Timestamps for Important Segments

• [01:04] Episode intro & Toyota GR GT discussion begins
• [05:01] G-Wagon Cabriolet announcement and speculation
• [12:38] Renault Concept Car Auction deep dive
• [20:10] Jerry McGovern/Jaguar shakeup
• [25:13] USPS mail truck rollout and review dreams
• [31:22] Trump’s rollback on fuel standards & regulatory landscape
• [36:09] Cadillac F1 & Super Bowl livery ad plans
• [38:34] Pininfarina’s NSX restomod discussion
• [41:44] Porsche immobilizer tech woes in Russia
• [44:49] Talk Cars segment: Doug’s Countach breakdown & maintenance philosophy
• [53:41] Filippo’s search for a 991 911 Cabrio
• [62:47] Market Report: Kia Stinger GT, Smart Crossblade, and garage-built 911
• [71:09] Listener Q&A (Zoo parking, daily drivers, auction strategies, and more)

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Overall Tone & Style

Humorous, casual, irreverent but always car-obsessive: Doug and friends volley between geek-out-level details, personal stories, real industry insight, and self-deprecating banter. The mood is quick-witted and occasionally mocking, with open admissions of confusion and error, making complex industry news accessible and entertaining.

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This summary captures the main substance, best lines, and structure of the episode, highlighting its must-hear insights and giving you everything you need, even if you missed the show.

Transcript

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[Doug]

Hello and welcome to this car pod.

[Kenan]

I'm Kenan.

[Filippo]

I'm Filippo.

[Doug]

And let's start with the news. The biggest news is this. Okay, I gotta say this.

[Filippo]

We gotta say it.

[Doug]

Toyota's doing this launch of the grgt. We're filming this on the third. They are announcing the car on the fourth. And then you're watching this on the fifth. You'll be like, why aren't they talking about. We don't know yet.

[Filippo]

Yeah. What do we know? Not much.

[Doug]

They're going to make a sports car. It's going to be a crazy one.

[Filippo]

V8 is my understanding.

[Doug]

That's what I've heard.

[Filippo]

Hybrid V8. Right.

[Doug]

We hear a lot of stuff.

[Filippo]

Okay. But we know that that's going to be the Gazoo Racing gt. At least one of them.

[Doug]

Toyota. Based on the Lexus brand. Toyota seems to be one of the few automakers whose total fuel economy. Whatever. They could get away with an AV8 if they wanted to.

[Filippo]

Yep.

[Doug]

Don't you think?

[Filippo]

Oh yeah.

[Doug]

Because the LC and all them have.

[Filippo]

They don't sell. They're not going to. The volume is not going to be that significant.

[Doug]

Yeah.

[Filippo]

But yeah, they must have enough wiggle room. But we. My understanding is that there's going to be. They're going to have three different models that are all somehow based on this because you're racing gt.

[Doug]

The pictures show three different vehicles. Presumably there's a Lexus, maybe a convertible, maybe a GT3 type thing. A Scion. Nice.

[Filippo]

Thank you.

[Kenan]

Nice callback.

[Doug]

Anyway, no one knows is the answer.

[Filippo]

Except that you listening to the.

[Doug]

You will know and you'll be like these idiots and you'll be right. But I wanted to talk about it because we are aware of it and we will cover it next Week in greater depth once we find out more. And then you will get our patented. Excellent analysis.

[Filippo]

Yes. It's exciting to see Toyota. We talked a few weeks ago about how they have revitalized. They've gone from the most boring automakers making the most boring mid sized sedans to actually making cool cars. And this is a good step forward.

[Doug]

I think Toyota, certainly of all the mainstream brands, Toyota probably has the most exciting product. Even separate from this car you have the GR Corolla. In other markets you have the GR Yars which is amazing. Obviously the Supra, obviously the BRZ, whatever the Toyota version is called. Us Subaru guys only call it the BRZ.

[Filippo]

Do you know what it's called?

[Doug]

Yeah, the GR86. There's good stuff. And then you have all the GR80 Pro cars which are also really cool. There's one of them back here.

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[Doug]

Is it in shot?

[Kenan]

Oh yeah, look at that.

[Filippo]

Oh, and you can't see the camo fenders from the shot. So that's good. That's.

[Doug]

That's a blessing.

[Filippo]

I walked by a minute ago. Man. They're more aggressive than I remember.

[Doug]

I just went on the freeway coming in today in the Carrera gt. Wow. I'm like wow. Oh, it's another one.

[Kenan]

Everything about that car is shocking. I think the interior is the worst thing though. When you open it, Toyota on the passenger side, then the seats, the camo, camo seats.

[Doug]

It's a lot. It's a lot. I was on Ferris podcast and he said it looks like Dana White designed the interior. So true. That is exactly what it looks like. That's kind of a deep cut reference but. But it's very accurate.

[Filippo]

But this is cool. I mean obviously the LC 500 is dead, right? No, this will be sportier.

[Doug]

Excuse me.

[Filippo]

Is it not that for 25 dead?

[Doug]

No, no, no, no, no. The is is dead.

[Filippo]

Remember the IS500Z and I don't think.

[Doug]

They'Ve announced that they're canceling the lc.

[Filippo]

They will be announcing that they're canceling the lc. By the time you listen to this they will have announced that that'll be.

[Doug]

They just continue the hybrid one which nobody got anyway. They're going to bury that in the announcement for this car. And LC is gone by the way.

[Kenan]

Anyway.

[Doug]

Look at the.

[Filippo]

Gazoo racing moniker. They of course make the sportiest trim of the RAV4. That's a fact. It will actually be like a sports car. Better handling the LC500 with a grand tour. I suspect that this will be a Little bit more sports focused.

[Doug]

Oh, I, I for sure. Now the question is, is it going to be like a supercar, like the lfa?

[Filippo]

No, I mean, I think this is.

[Kenan]

Going to be like the, I don't know. This feels more like it's going to be AMG to like SLS to amg GT is what it is.

[Doug]

Where is this picture? It's going to feel like, is this a Toyota picture? Because this looks a lot like an LC re skinned as a Toyota, which is a cool idea. It's, it's a 10 year. The helse came out a decade ago, so we could have sped that up a little. But, well, I'm excited to see it and we shouldn't talk about it anymore because we don't know what's going on. But we will talk about it. We will give our patented high quality analysis. Next though, I want to talk about something that we can give our high quality analysis on, which is the G Wagon Cabriolet. Yeah. Kenan, what are your thoughts?

[Kenan]

I love that they maintain the tradition of hideousness with that vehicle. I actually think.

Well, everybody assumes you must be really thrilled about this.

[Doug]

I have two minds. Yes. I have two minds. I said on this podcast before that first off, this is a teaser shot that Mercedes Benz has finally shown a couple of teaser shots this week of the new G Class Cabriolet. And I had said, and they had announced a couple of months ago that they were going to do this. I had said on this very podcast that I would buy the car if it had two things. Number one, if it wasn't too expensive because I'm worried they'll price it like a special model and it'll be $350,000, some ridiculous. And number two, if it wasn't showy in a way that I deem inappropriate and the pictures make it seem like number two is not actually going to be a problem. This looks like a regular G550, except with a spare tire like it looks now. Well, here's the bomb they're going to drop on us. This is actually oe. They're going to leave it on the collection.

[Kenan]

Like the VYSOK package on the GT4s. You can't get rid of the hideous Porsche logo on the back. Well, you're stuck with it.

[Doug]

That's what it is. No, I think it's gonna look great. And I actually think it'll look best in black because it'll hide the top a little. So in a sense I want to do it because I could sell my Old one. And I could sell my Sequoia 2 cars condensed into one which I'm really into these days.

[Filippo]

Wow.

[Doug]

Right.

[Filippo]

Yeah. And you'll still have a V6.

[Doug]

Yeah, which is fine with me. I love this six cylinder engine. It's a straight six. It's a straight six in my E class. Is it not the same motor in this car? I actually have. Literally. We don't know anyway because I wouldn't be surprised if this is accompanied with a facelift or something and there's a powertrain change but it seems like they're going to bring this to market pretty quick. Like it's. It's happening.

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[Doug]

I assumed it would be years away when they made the announcement but now they've already got photos. I mean they've got an Austrian plate on it which is where they sold them.

[Kenan]

That's exactly right. Nice little nod there.

[Doug]

Yeah.

[Filippo]

This does just seem like they found a way to take off the roof.

[Kenan]

Yeah, it's great.

[Filippo]

It's what you want it to be.

[Doug]

It is. Interestingly it is a two seat, two row roof which you don't ever see. I don't remember the last two row convertible. They're very uncommon. It takes an enormous amount of chassis rigidity away.

[Filippo]

I don't know. There's every 911 convertible, two, two door. Two door.

[Doug]

So it's. You're right obviously cuz. Yeah. A lot of cars have. But it's. It's a four door convertible.

[Filippo]

The Jeep Liberty with the. The top. Yeah.

[Doug]

But that had a roof. Well the Wrangler has a. Has a.

[Filippo]

The Wrangler and the Bron.

[Doug]

It's not a power like a soft top. So it'll be interesting to see what.

[Filippo]

No, that's two doors.

[Doug]

It'll be interesting to see what the architecture is underneath. There must be some cross members. There is on my two door G wagon.

[Kenan]

Well I like that they put camo where that hideous window would normally be.

[Doug]

We know something will be a window there and it's going to be ugly and they wanted to cover it up in the photo and I don't blame them.

[Kenan]

Top down on a four door is.

[Doug]

Going to not look good.

[Kenan]

Very odd.

[Doug]

The pro. The reason you don't do top. The reason you don't do convertible. Four doors. There's a lot of reasons but one of them is you basically have to keep the door lines because otherwise you'd have to give it up for both doors and then you have a real rigidity issue and by keeping the door lines it means that even when the roof is down you're going to have a lot of.

[Filippo]

Yep.

[Doug]

Side.

[Kenan]

Hope you like side.

[Filippo]

You get used to it.

[Doug]

I will say that obviously my suspicion is going to be that there's going to be some sort of big sunroo things. So like you press the button once and it becomes like a big sun, like your Fiat. You press it again and it's all the way down.

[Filippo]

I also.

There'S something I was going to say.

[Doug]

Now the second mind of this that I am is do I really want to drive around on a convertible? It's so.

[Filippo]

You already do.

[Doug]

Like I feel bad for my children.

[Filippo]

You already, you already do it.

[Doug]

Like you got to get a kid off at school and that.

[Filippo]

I mean the spec matters. You can't actually get black. You got to get like something like stronger 1980s and you got to put.

[Doug]

On the stronger than 1980s wheels. No question. Yes. No question.

[Filippo]

Yes.

[Doug]

But even then looks better. It's so. It's such an embarrassing car. Think of the people who are going to buy this.

[Filippo]

I know, truly.

[Kenan]

Are they. So are they going to bring just a normal version to the us? Are they only going to bring amg?

[Doug]

They haven't announced that. But this isn't, this is clearly an amg.

[Kenan]

My fear is that they're only going to bring AMG versions to the US because they want their highest trim level.

[Doug]

Especially because production is so constrained generally. Like why not sell the one that's the most valuable?

[Kenan]

Which then makes it even more embarrassing because it will be very loud.

[Doug]

And I will say if they did in a electric one, it would be hard not to buy it.

[Filippo]

I was noting that this does not have the EQ tire cover.

[Doug]

Yeah, but remember the, the regular tire cover is optional on the EQ car.

[Kenan]

Well, you know the G. That's right.

[Filippo]

That's right.

[Kenan]

The EQ technology G has sold so well.

[Doug]

It's been a, it's been a tough run for that car, which is such a shame because it's such a good car. Anyway, the G Cabrio is coming. Filippo, would you buy one if you were me?

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[Doug]

Yeah. But you make all sorts of decisions if you were me.

[Filippo]

I, I will note that there's a bunch of companies that make convertible G wagon. Brabus sells one that's a four door one. Other companies also make a version and it looks exactly like this will. So we kind of know what it'll look like.

[Doug]

No, it's not going to be surprising. No, it will be ugly. It will be. So the question then becomes Is it going to be too expensive? Could I reasonably replace two of my vehicles with this vehicle? Hard to believe.

[Filippo]

It also.

[Kenan]

Yeah, I agree.

[Doug]

What could be worthwhile?

[Filippo]

It's five seats, right? Yeah, it's a five seater and wide enough. So that's good.

[Doug]

Yeah. Because your G is my GS. Five seats. There's a middle seat there. It's interesting, in about 2002 or something, I truly remember there was a requirement to have all seats have three point belts. That became a requirement sometime in the early 2000s and for the Gcabrio Mercedes response to that was they simply stopped offering any seat belt in the middle. So it became a four seater at that point.

[Filippo]

Okay. Okay.

[Doug]

So anyway, gcab, this is a big deal. This is the biggest news story of.

[Filippo]

The week for the 10 people that care is a huge story.

[Doug]

No, dude, it's a lot of us and aside from me and maybe including me. Wow, all these people are terrible.

[Filippo]

I heard that conversation on the smoking tire pod and you're right, I'm.

[Doug]

It's just how could I drive this thing around? That's the problem. Like if it solves so many problems.

[Filippo]

For me, the spec matters, but it.

[Doug]

Creates the ultimate problem. I really hate driving around cars that, that look that they give you this a certain.

[Filippo]

The spec is that it needs to be like a very, I don't think, soft color and it needs to be the right wheels.

[Doug]

I think a random person sees us on the road and they're like that guy's a complete. Like even if you got.

[Filippo]

Yeah. You see a Sequoia CRD Pro, what you think?

[Doug]

No car people think I'm a man of the people, which I am.

[Kenan]

No, I think you just get attention from the people. You don't want attention.

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[Kenan]

Like the three I've got, I've got three of them and I. Oh man, that's so cool. I got a 4x4 squared and all. You got those.

[Filippo]

Like if it's a first gen, they're cool.

[Doug]

Yeah, that's true.

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[Doug]

Okay, move on to the next news story.

[Kenan]

Oh, yeah.

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[Doug]

Folks, this is the biggest news story of the week. Aside from the G Caprio and the Toyota GR gt. France.

As a nation is selling their concept cars.

[Filippo]

I mean, the French government owns part of it.

[Doug]

So Renault, which is a company that makes cars in France, is having a big concept car sale. GM did this in 2009, and my only regret in life is that I didn't have money to buy those cars.

[Filippo]

Is this a recession indicator?

[Doug]

Yeah, it could be.

[Filippo]

Independently.

[Doug]

No, they just don't. They ran out of space. Okay, so they're selling a bunch of concept cars. Can you go to the thing? Look at this.

[Kenan]

Look at this, Filippo. That has you written all over.

[Doug]

I am obsessed with concept cars. I'm the only person who cares about concept cars. And I am truly obsessed with the idea of buying old concept cars. I have tried many times from automakers that I work with to buy old concept cars. They always say, no, that. Look at this thing.

[Filippo]

There are some incredible ones. This is unbelievable.

[Doug]

Now all of these cars are sold. Bill of sale, presumably. No, vin, you'd never be able to import it. You'd never be able to drive it, title it all that, which is so sad. If this was happening in the us, I would buy half these cars. The steth wheel, Cleo.

[Filippo]

I know.

[Doug]

That's a Clio pit with six weeks with six wheels.

[Filippo]

And it looks like, man, did they put that together the day before the auto show.

[Doug]

It wasn't even an auto show car. This was done purely Internally, apparently, to add skill to apprentice metal workers.

[Filippo]

Boy, did they not add very much skills.

[Doug]

No. This is amazing. You couldn't do this.

[Filippo]

So true.

[Doug]

Would like to see you try to do this in your little half garage. Go back out to the deck up.

[Filippo]

The deck up is so cool.

[Doug]

Look at this. I want this. I literally cannot explain to you how much I want this car. And all these concept cars are going to sell for $11,000.

[Filippo]

You know the best part? The deck up just looks like a car. Like, if you look at the interior photos, it's just a car.

[Doug]

The interior is pretty standard, but the exterior, I would not say looks like a car. I would. I think it has a Chevy avalanche style truck bed for one thing.

[Filippo]

Whoa. Okay, wait. Go. I don't know if it's on the one you're looking at. There's also a cangu that has a. Like a bike storage thing. Wow.

[Doug]

Like an active kangaroo.

[Filippo]

Like an active kangoo. A kangoo avalanche.

[Doug]

Dude, this is honest.

[Filippo]

It might not be serious when I say that.

[Kenan]

I think I'll find it and go to the right.

[Filippo]

Go to the right. Go to the right. Go to that. That.

[Doug]

I'm dead serious when I say this. I am legitimately, truly, to borrow one of your words, sad that I won't be part of this. All I want to do is buy an old concept car. They're selling them. This is like this week.

[Filippo]

Go. One more.

[Doug]

Look at this.

[Filippo]

Two more. Oh, my God. There you go.

[Doug]

That's the photo. The breakup. I could have the deck up and the breakup.

[Filippo]

The one after this. The next photo on this is a modus, which is what that car was called, with seemingly no changes except for the wheels.

[Doug]

Giant sunroof. Cool wheels. Oh, cool wheels. Yeah. Phone dials. I truly, truly, truly want nothing more than to be a part of this. I am so sad. Aren't you?

[Filippo]

Yeah. Let's go.

[Doug]

Wouldn't you drop it for a deck up? It's. Oh, my God. That looks Filippo. Look at this.

[Filippo]

Go back.

[Doug]

Look at that.

[Kenan]

Great. Wow.

[Doug]

Boy, if only they had made that, maybe they wouldn't have had to ship Carlos going out of the country in a.

[Filippo]

They made weird cars.

It's not like their actual cars were that much this.

[Doug]

I'm telling you, though, this. First off, do you agree that this looks like some sort of bison from the side? Yeah, it's got, like, a bison look what's going on there.

[Filippo]

I'm so sorry. Ken. Can you keep going on that article and go to where you see the.

[Kenan]

Cleo you know, he does kind of have a point.

[Filippo]

No, it looks like a bison for sure.

[Doug]

It's front heavy.

[Kenan]

It does look front heavy. That is. Oh, this is there. Yeah, it is kind of bison.

[Filippo]

All right, leave these photos and go to where you see the Cleo.

[Doug]

The six wheeler.

[Filippo]

Yeah. Scroll down a little bit. All right. And then keep going.

[Doug]

Oh, my God. What is this?

[Kenan]

Right?

[Filippo]

This is a Laguna. This looks like a Laguna to me.

[Doug]

No, but it's a wagon that they never made. There was a Laguna, but it was trash.

[Filippo]

There was a Laguna wagon.

[Doug]

It didn't look like this. It looks very similar with rolled rear windows. It looks forerunner.

[Filippo]

Are you not familiar with the Laguna wagon?

[Doug]

No, no, dude, you're right. You're right. The Laguna wagon. I remember that interior from the Laguna wagon. You're right.

[Kenan]

Looks like something from the set of Coneheads.

[Doug]

By the way, there's a hubcap in the passenger seat.

[Kenan]

Well, I've noticed some stuff hanging off the bottom of some of these cars.

[Doug]

So the concept cars are never presented. Well, outside of that.

[Filippo]

The Laguna wagon looked like that. No, it did. I'm sorry to tell.

[Doug]

What does it say about the six wheel Cleo?

[Filippo]

Okay, go find the six wheel Cleo.

[Doug]

It's at the top.

[Kenan]

I think it.

[Filippo]

Yeah, it might be a lot of.

[Kenan]

Good race car stuff.

[Doug]

They only put scroll right the best.

[Filippo]

Like a fair. Like a few number of photos. Keep going through. Right.

[Doug]

This is a disaster.

[Filippo]

I know. The site makes it a bit tough.

[Doug]

Yeah. What is this? What?

What? What? Wait, this isn't even AI. Go to the next picture.

[Filippo]

No, no, it's real.

[Kenan]

It does look like an AI error.

[Filippo]

It is a Renault that I don't remember the name of with another one stacked on top of the rear.

[Doug]

But why are there like 17 doors?

[Filippo]

I don't know. Credit.

[Doug]

What the hell?

[Kenan]

They didn't know how to make a door longer, so they Copy paste, copy paste, copy paste.

[Doug]

This is the weirdest thing I've ever paint. You think that's only one door? If you go to this photo, it's.

[Kenan]

Many doors, but it doesn't make credit.

[Filippo]

To to Car Scoops. Go to car scoops.com and find their article about this.

[Doug]

That's not fake.

[Filippo]

Wild.

[Doug]

Filippo, we need this. It's got a motor in the front. That's why it's got some doors.

[Filippo]

Where a lot of cars, you need.

[Doug]

Doors to get to the motor.

[Kenan]

When I think of French engineering, that is what I picture. It looks kind of looks like a smattering of.

[Doug]

I can't believe I'm not part of this. Why? What is that?

[Filippo]

When it's auction. These are all off Roche and France. I think we gotta go, Doug.

[Doug]

Oh my God. It's like this week.

[Filippo]

Let's go.

[Doug]

I. I truly would buy 10, five of these cars. I'm not joking. I would buy the deco. I would buy the six wheel pickup.

[Filippo]

You could bring them into the country. You can never drive them, they can never move. But they can live.

[Doug]

You have to bring them in as furniture in a container.

[Filippo]

Is that what these are?

[Doug]

Well, yeah, kind of.

[Kenan]

I mean, yeah, I would classify that thing as furniture for sure.

[Doug]

No, this is art. Oh, this is French. True.

[Kenan]

That's a great point.

[Doug]

This is up there with Monet.

[Kenan]

Of course it is too advanced for me to understand.

[Filippo]

This auction does have estimates.

[Doug]

Oh yeah, what's it. Give me an estimate. I'll give you an estimates on all of them.

There's also a lot of models. I think there is no way that any of these cars, especially this one, sells for more than $12,000.

[Filippo]

There's also models of it, by the way.

[Doug]

They're in this vault. They ran out of space. Yeah.

[Kenan]

Unsellable or priceless? It's the same transaction.

[Doug]

Yeah. And they're look, they ran out of space and they're looking at thinking, what can we sell? And the first thing that comes to mind. How about that car with all the doors really long and it's got half another car on top of it and an engine in the passenger compartment. That's one of the ones we ought to sell.

[Filippo]

With a few exceptions, they estimate 6 to €8,000 for everything.

[Kenan]

All of it.

[Filippo]

Any of them.

[Doug]

Yeah, that's probably.

[Kenan]

That feels.

[Doug]

That is 12 grand. I'm right on.

[Filippo]

They do have models. So we could buy some models.

[Doug]

I truly want the six wheel. I want the deck up more than anything. I would bring that here and I would pay somebody to get it right.

[Filippo]

Six wheel. Three to six thousand euros is what they asked.

[Doug]

Three to six thousand.

[Filippo]

There's also a Renault Twingo. Gangster.

[Doug]

When you think about it, you could.

[Filippo]

Build your own crew. I'm sorry?

[Doug]

You could build your own six wheel Cleo for the price of a Cleo, which is nothing.

[Filippo]

It's nothing.

[Doug]

And then some. A couple days in the shop, some cold ones.

[Kenan]

Couple cold ones.

[Doug]

Okay. We got to move on. This is a new story. No one's going to care about but us. We need to move on to real stuff. People are going to stop watching.

[Filippo]

I submit for that 21x levy and Goliath, which is what that car sax is being described. Oh, it was built for a film that we've never seen.

[Doug]

Of course.

[Kenan]

Yes.

[Doug]

They probably made all the sense to the front director.

[Filippo]

They describe it as utterly crazy experience and unique, unlike anything else. And I do agree with both of those descriptors. Two to 4,000.

[Doug]

Two to 4,000. That's two to 4,000 too much.

[Kenan]

Unless you need doors.

[Doug]

If you need a lot of doors, if you have whatever that car is and you need spare doors, your dollar.

[Kenan]

Per door ratio is very high.

[Doug]

There were like 14 doors on the car.

[Kenan]

Pretty impressive.

[Doug]

Okay, move on to the next. Oh, okay. This is a somber story. And this fellow has dressed in black.

[Filippo]

He knew he would be fired. This Jerry McGovern. He was formerly the design chief of Jaguar. He has been fired. So we talked a few weeks, months ago about how Jaguar Land Rover has a new CEO. One of the first things that that CEO has done now, a couple of months in, is fire the person. Design chief. He was also the guy behind the Type 00 project. He was the one. He was one of people that was most advocating for Jaguar's relaunch. That marketing campaign, et cetera.

[Kenan]

That's the thing. The design is not what bothers me with the car. Car. To be totally honest, I don't love it, but I don't think that it's that crazy. It was the campaign that was so.

[Filippo]

At the same time, he's not wrong, conceptually. Like, this might be the path forward for Jag.

[Doug]

You know when that campaign came out? November 19th of 24.

[Filippo]

Wow. And you know what? We still haven't seen a purchase car. I will think I will say Jerry McGovern. Gary McGovern. I have no idea. Jerry has been there for 21 years at Jaguar Land Rover. He designed the Defender that you own.

[Doug]

Yep.

[Filippo]

He also designed the Evoque.

[Doug]

The deal. The Velar is the most beautiful Land Rover of all time.

[Filippo]

Range Rover Classic exists.

[Doug]

Oh, wow. Wow.

[Kenan]

I knew he was going to say classic.

[Doug]

You're going to sit here and advocate for the Range Rover Classic. How beautiful. Do you want one? Yeah, we're going to get to that later in this podcast. Have you bought a car yet?

[Filippo]

No, but it's been a week.

[Kenan]

We'll get there.

[Doug]

How long you think it took me to buy the 993 Turbo? It took me an hour.

[Filippo]

Me and Sean, I seem to remember it going on for months. We talked about it two weeks ago.

[Kenan]

I bought my Mercedes in, like a week.

[Filippo]

All right. Regardless, he is fired.

[Doug]

It's a Shame, because I think Jaguar was headed in the right direction.

[Kenan]

That is one of the weird things about having a directionless company. No matter which direction you decide to take it. And no one's going to like it, it seems. I mean, I think that this car.

[Doug]

Got a lot of positivity.

[Kenan]

I think the car looks kind of cool. Cool, to be honest. But, yeah, I don't. And I don't know. I think Harry Metcalf did a video on this where he talked about how there's so many American consumers on the east and west coast that want something electric that's cool and kind of luxurious. And so it actually makes sense in a lot of markets. But I just don't. I don't know. The Jag brand is just a difficult one to.

[Doug]

Yeah. So the fact that he's out suggests to me that there's more turmoil going on than suggested.

[Filippo]

I mean, they also have had a huge. Like Jaguar Land Rover has not had a great six months.

[Doug]

Well. Well, yeah, that's true. But over the last year, it. It was almost pitched to us. Like, Jaguar knows what we're doing. Have. We're doing a rebrand. We came up with this concept. We have some ideas. And the fact that the chief creative officer is out makes you kind of wonder. Either they're going back to the drawing board about their ideas or. Admittedly, in this span also, the whole EV thing has failed. Not failed, has significantly declined, which has its own implications for Jaguar, which was intending to rebrand as an EV company. But then also, maybe this direction isn't what they're going to do. The surprising thing is there became. They're going to kill him.

The surprising thing is they had no. The brand has too much equity.

[Kenan]

It does.

[Filippo]

Look.

[Doug]

Think about mg, dude. He worked at MG for. This is a story. Every British car industry person worked at British Leyland for some period. He couldn't avoid it. This is a storied car brand, just like mg, which became a storied car brand for China.

[Filippo]

That's right.

[Kenan]

You know, I'm doing a piece. I'm going to Nortons to film an XK140. And I was looking back in Jaguar's history and in the 50s, Jaguar stood for not only speed, but reliability and, like toughness and beauty. And it had all these really interesting elements that should have been a genetic launching pad for the company would then go to the E type that came.

[Doug]

Out, which was also changed the world in the 60s.

[Kenan]

Changed the world in the 60s.

[Doug]

They owned the world until 19.

[Kenan]

And value too they were also like a really great value compared to Ferraris and other cars like that.

[Doug]

Those four door sedans. People thought they were beautiful. They were very special.

[Kenan]

So if only they could get back to there, the back of that. Jaguar says Winter Le Mans 1951, 1953. If like that they. If only they could get back to that. But I just don't know. I just don't know where you go with the brand to do something cool.

[Doug]

It's a tough situation. The brand has a lot of brand equity. However, that doesn't necessarily translate to a lot of sales. Just as Aston Martin.

[Kenan]

Precisely.

[Doug]

And Jaguar is kind of in almost a worse spot in terms of that.

[Filippo]

Less premium version of a brand, Aston Martin, that isn't doing that well themselves.

[Kenan]

Right, Precisely. So what do you do?

[Doug]

It'll be. That's right. It'll be interesting to see what they do. But I think I have a suspicion if. If this fellow Jerry McGovern, who was quite successful.

[Filippo]

Yeah, yeah.

[Doug]

Quite over many years at Land Rover and had risen to chief creative officer. One thing I find weird is they're pushing him out now instead of. There was a lot of negativity associated the rebrand a year ago, but he's still stuck around.

[Filippo]

There's a new CEO, Right. As of two months ago.

[Doug]

So he's rethinking the whole thing. Yeah, I guess. Which is what?

[Filippo]

Presumably he was tasked with.

[Kenan]

You kind of have to.

[Doug]

You can let the Jaguar brand linger for a while and do nothing and then come back eventually. Look at Bugatti.

[Filippo]

They don't sell any cars right now, period.

[Kenan]

Bugatti is actually.

A good example, I would think, because that brand languished for a long time until Romano Artioli came.

[Doug]

Back and showed us the EB110. Our dream car.

[Kenan]

That's right.

[Doug]

Yeah.

[Kenan]

Dude.

[Doug]

Another thing Italy did, right?

[Filippo]

Boom.

[Doug]

Next news story, please.

[Filippo]

All right.

[Doug]

Oh, Filippo's excitement here.

[Filippo]

This is the next generation delivery vehicle mail truck. Yes.

[Kenan]

That's not another Renault concept.

[Filippo]

Yeah. It turns out developed by the Oshkosh Corporation. They are out. They've delivered some number to the. To the U.S. postal Service. They're out. They're around. I want to tell you a little bit about them. About 70% of the order will be electric. The raining 30% will have a Ford turbocharged 2 liter under the hood.

[Doug]

Ford is building it. What platforms?

[Filippo]

No, sorry. Oshkosh Corporation is building it. The engines and some components.

[Doug]

It's built in Wisconsin.

[Filippo]

Built in Wisconsin.

[Doug]

Wow, look at you.

[Filippo]

Yep.

[Doug]

We get an Italy Story. We get a Wisconsin story. Filippo, I know we got lights for food.

[Filippo]

You'll start seeing around. They are obviously the old Grundman mail trucks have been around for forever. They apparently cost $10,000 each to maintain per year on average because they're. They're well past their, like lifetime.

[Doug]

Don't they have Iron Duke four cylinders?

[Filippo]

Yes, but like at this point, they're all 40 years old.

[Doug]

The government's buying up used Fieros to keep them running. There's a used Fiero lot somewhere in Indiana that the government's pulling parts off of.

[Filippo]

They obviously, like, they were designed to be very space efficient, to be really practical for what the USPS does now, which is less carry letters and more carry packages. Automatic mercy braking, rear view camera for the first time, which seems helpful. Even the EVs don't creep forward because if you're delivering mail, you want to stay stopped.

[Doug]

Oh, wow.

[Filippo]

There's some real thought they won't run if you're not buckled in. Which seems like something that's gonna. I suspect we'll see some mail carriers find ways around.

[Sponsor Voice]

Yep.

[Kenan]

I see them buckling in then sitting.

[Doug]

I know that there's that buckle that you could buy.

[Filippo]

Not that you should anywhere, but they're cool. One fun fact. My understanding is that the OSHA Corporation can sell this to other people to not just the US Postal Service, but they cannot use that duck bill front end at all for anybody else. That was the bells in collaboration with usps.

[Doug]

It is difficult for me to overstate a couple things. First off, I bought stamps the other day that have this truck on them.

[Filippo]

Second wait, really?

[Doug]

Yeah. Yes. There's a whole USPS like mail Town and like the whole town is like mail delivery. And there's a couple of them in the. You look it up. I'll give you that time.

[Filippo]

Thanks.

[Doug]

They've delivered the first ones to Augusta and Athens, Georgia.

So if you live down there in Clark county or Columbia County, Filippo, you know, then you can have your mail delivered. Oh, my God.

[Filippo]

They are on it.

[Doug]

I'm telling you. You got to put.

[Filippo]

Also the old one's also on it.

[Doug]

Is it?

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[Doug]

Oh, I'm going to. I'm going to.

[Filippo]

I'm going to.

[Doug]

I'm going to throw away that stamp. W. You're going to pull it up.

[Filippo]

It is just one stamp that has old two that have old one that.

[Kenan]

Should be looking for platypus truck.

[Filippo]

250 years delivering stamps. Mail.

[Doug]

Mail town. That's what it looks like to me.

[Filippo]

250 years delivering.

[Doug]

That's what it is. So look, it's go to images. It's a town.

[Filippo]

Yeah, yeah.

[Doug]

That's mail delivery. And if you scroll in or zoom in or whatever you do the new mailchimp there it is.

[Filippo]

And then the top left and top top is the old one legacy.

[Doug]

I don't want any of that. I'm going to cancel those stamps.

[Filippo]

Yeah, but it's out finally. We'll see other things. By the way, they've also ordered like 9,040 transits.

[Doug]

Do you think you know, for a while when I was a kid they were delivering the mail at least in my neighborhood in Denver with Ford Windstars.

[Filippo]

You used to be able to also like r Mail carriers used to be able to I think still can purchase other.

[Doug]

Yeah their own vehicles. Look up Windstar mail truck. Can I ask you a question and I'm serious about this. Do you think I can review one of these?

[Filippo]

Yes.

[Doug]

Can you get me.

Using your contacts in Wisconsin, can you get me a review of one of these? Yeah, we had these all over Denver when I was a kid.

[Filippo]

Yeah I. Please, if you are with the oshkosh Corporation or DC or with the usps, send us a note.

[Doug]

Send us a note. I want to review your wares. I promise I won't review the duck bill one if I'm not allowed to do some sort of of complicated copyright agreement. I'll do whatever you need me to do or embargo. Yeah.

[Filippo]

The one thing I won't do are out.

[Doug]

The one thing I won't do is travel to Wisconsin in the winter.

[Filippo]

So unfortunately we're gonna it will wait till the spring.

[Doug]

We're gonna have to wait until the mail truck comes to San Diego which by the way it's a great climate for mail trucks. It is. Send us, send us some by the.

[Filippo]

Way 120 miles of ranch.

[Doug]

That's not much.

[Filippo]

No, but presumably they did a bunch of work to figure out the average length of a bike here.

[Doug]

It makes sense. I'm sure it's pretty.

[Filippo]

Although they do not have the so they developed it purposely so they could easily swap out batteries because they know that they will need to swap out batteries long life or else like 10 years from now. If they're keeping these for longer, they'll have new battery tech but not the fastest chargers.

[Doug]

Well, it probably doesn't need. They charge overnight. It doesn't matter. They probably factored all this stuff in.

[Filippo]

You go to the post office at the end of your shift, you plug it in, you Start.

[Doug]

Can I ask you a question?

[Filippo]

Yes.

[Doug]

As a person?

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[Doug]

Are you thinking about getting a Grumman LLV for yourself?

[Filippo]

No.

[Doug]

Okay, next news story.

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[Doug]

Oh.

[Kenan]

Oh. A Donald Trump with a Diablo.

[Doug]

What is going on here?

[Filippo]

Trump?

[Kenan]

Oddly, this is Filippo's story.

[Doug]

Of course, this is a full service gas pump, but he's filling it up himself, which is interesting.

[Kenan]

I have to put gas. I don't want your filthy hands touching my car.

[Doug]

Look at this. This is so funny.

[Kenan]

Put that camera away. Get it out of here.

[Doug]

There's. There's a 95 escort back there with no place. This is great. What a picture.

[Kenan]

Incredible.

[Doug]

What is this News? This is news.

[Filippo]

We think we talked about this before, but the Trump administration announced today the rollback that they are are starting the process for a fuel economy standard. So under the Biden administration, there were more aggressive CAFE standards that pushed what kind of what across each company, what the minimum fuel economy would have to be by 2031. It was set to 50.2 miles per gallon cafe, which is different than what's on your window sticker or what your car actually gets it has gone down. The administration is requesting that it goes down to about 34.5 by 2031.

[Doug]

Yeah.

[Filippo]

So massively lower standards that the Trump administration is then saying that will lead to cheaper vehicles for people because they believe that the fuel economy standards were costing consumers money. Mixed evidence on whether that is actually true. But that is today's news story.

[Doug]

There has been some news that the EU is going to remove or relax their ban on gasoline.

[Filippo]

California as well. Yep.

[Doug]

Interesting.

[Filippo]

This is. This has by the way been cheered by all of the US manufacturers Although GM less so than Stellantis. I will say.

[Doug]

Well, GM probably has a has an advant invest against some of these guys.

[Filippo]

Cilantro has zero advantage against anybody on anything fuel economy related.

[Doug]

They what do you mean the Wagoneer.

[Filippo]

S, is that even still for sale?

[Doug]

Are we sure?

[Filippo]

No. They've also come up with some of these but the majority of their sales are trucks that are not very fuel efficient. This will help them notably and will mean that they can continue to invest in V8s. GM is also building a V8 plant transitioning other plans to be like clearly the US manufacturers especially are responding to are in favor of this will build towards this.

[Doug]

I don't know exactly what position we should take I should take on this, how I should feel about it. But I will tell you it seems to me that the people were not ready for some of the mandates that the government was setting out.

[Filippo]

So there's multiple different mandates. Right. So the Trump administration, when they came into power nine months ago, 10 months ago, 12 months ago. What month are we in? 11 months ago, 11 months ago.

[Doug]

All the numbers but the right one.

[Filippo]

Yep. Filippo cut all of the EV mandates. Right. So those went away way. The CAFE standards are for all the other vehicles that are gasoline powered. Relaxing those might have the incentive of manufacturers need to invest less in the next generation of gasoline engines or in transitioning away from gasoline engines entirely. Counterpoint to that is those better fuel economy standards mean that we use less fuel, less greenhouse gas emissions, etc. Which may have longer term impacts too.

[Doug]

Yeah, obviously.

[Filippo]

Also if car is less fuel efficient, you're going to use more gas, it's more costly to you. There's kind of some mixed effects.

[Doug]

Right, Right. I mean it's in it. And that's kind of why this is a difficult task. Neither party necessarily has it. Right. There are definitely some negative outcomes in both scenarios.

[Filippo]

Also, this is not a surprise by the way. This is not like a surprise news story. This is just four believe they've started the problem.

[Doug]

It will be interesting though if EU also pushes back their EV mandate. A lot of these things were trumpeted very, very significantly over the last five years and a lot of these things have been rolled back. We've seen it with private automakers and we've now seen it with public government, which is related. Also, of course, Trump is the only president in history who's ever had a Diablo. Yep.

[Kenan]

Would have been hard for, you know.

To have a Diablo, but wouldn't have.

[Doug]

Been hard for Obama. Obama? You think Obama can't go buy a diagonal 300 rich.

[Kenan]

That's true. But then, you know, then again, you know what he Joe had a, you know, C2.

[Doug]

You know what he had Obama?

[Filippo]

300C.

[Doug]

He had a 99 to 04 grand Cherokee. Cherokee.

[Filippo]

Wow.

[Kenan]

Is that true?

[Doug]

Yeah.

[Kenan]

Really?

[Doug]

He had a 994 grand Cherokee.

It was a good gen. He had a four liter. Obama had a four liter. Trump's got a five seven. You know what I'm saying? A grand chair.

[Filippo]

He great car.

[Doug]

Further straight six. That grand chair not a badge. Yeah. The 99-04s had four liter straight six.

[Filippo]

That was the base engine.

[Doug]

I bet you ten grand. What can I say if I'm right. I believe you.

[Filippo]

That was the base. He could have had a larger. Depending on the grand Cherokee owns, he could have had a larger engine than the other.

[Doug]

He may have had a 4.7. Those are the two.

[Filippo]

The next gen had bigger.

[Doug]

The next gen also had a 5, 7 and a 3. 7. The 4 liter went away for that.

[Filippo]

Maybe that's what I'm thinking of.

[Doug]

He didn't have an 05. Obama has standards, dude.

[Filippo]

Thank God he could only accept so much plastic in his interior that it cut off.

[Doug]

Nobody Serious had an 05 Grand Cherokee. Okay. Except unless you had an SRT8, Obama.

[Filippo]

Wasn'T ready for that.

[Doug]

Okay, move on to our next news story.

[Filippo]

Football.

[Kenan]

So Cadillac's doing football. Yes. Super bowl is coming up soon and Cadillac has announced they're going to be revealing the livery for their Formula one car during the Super Bowl. So one of the super bowl ads. This is exciting to me for a couple of reasons. So one thing I want to clarify, they're not revealing the F1 car itself. That does not happen until it's like that might be around that time frame because the Formula one calendar, we start things, I think in March.

[Doug]

Wait, they're participating next year in like 90 days.

[Kenan]

2026. That's correct. Yeah. Cadillac enters the sport very excited.

[Doug]

We got to get in on this.

[Kenan]

I also have to say it was very apparent when I was at the Mexican Grand Prix because Sergio Perez, Mexican driver, will be one of the drivers on the team. Team. A lot of Cadillac gear everywhere. There are a lot of people wearing. So people are excited. But I think it's very exciting for two reasons. One, there are a lot of American Formula one fans. Now, when I was young, growing up, I was an odd ostracized child for a number of reasons, but one was that my love of F1. Yeah, yeah.

[Filippo]

Ostracized by the F1 community. By the Ohio teenager community.

[Kenan]

No people. But yeah, it was. Formula one was not common growing up.

Well, now it's so big that, yeah, the Midwest has a team and they're going to have an ad during the Super Bowl. Yeah, I mean, that's kind of thrilling even.

[Doug]

Presumably, this ad will not really be touting Cadillac's car. It's not an ad for the vistaq.

[Kenan]

No, no.

[Doug]

What is this?

[Filippo]

What if they do the Vista in the liver?

[Doug]

You know what they should do is that famous Porsche ad where all the cars are driving through the desert. That's what Cadillac should do. All the cars and then at the end, they all drive into a whiteboard with the Formula one liver because they can't actually drive with the car because that isn't being revealed yet.

[Kenan]

No, exactly. But nonetheless very exciting. They just wanted to do this. Obviously, it's a huge ad campaign and I think. I don't know if this will push more American fans to be involved formula, but I think that it is cool for me as an American having another American team. I mean, Haas is there, of course, but Cadillac, that GM on the grid.

[Doug]

I'm going to tell you this, as someone who's not into Formula one at all, this makes me slightly into Formula one. Is that you?

[Kenan]

Hold on a minute. I think you said that if they did actually take Parker Formula one, you would watch.

[Doug]

I would. I would not watch anything. Okay. But I will cheer. And by cheer, I mean I. I will wait for you to text me whether Cadillac has won.

[Kenan]

I'm going to get you a Cadillac F1 hat. That's what I'm going to do for.

[Doug]

You know what? If that happens, I'll wa it on.

[Kenan]

This podcast deal market. Put it in your calendar, Douglas.

[Filippo]

It's brilliant marketing because sports fans are likely like the same people that watched super bowl are likely to be people that might be into Formula one sports.

[Kenan]

Yeah, absolutely. Totally agree. Very excited. Can't wait to see it moving on to the next story. Ah yes. Now you look at this and you think to yourself that looks like an nsx. And sure enough it is. Pin and Farina has decided they're going to go back and revisit the NSX and they're going to be doing a kind of a redesign. So it's going to be. This is based on the first gen NSX that has a full carbon body.

[Filippo]

Okay.

[Kenan]

Six speed manual transmission, a tuned Honda V6.

[Filippo]

Wow.

[Kenan]

All really cool stuff. They're working with JS Motorsport to build this car and unlike the Ferrari, you remember the 355 thing, that was kind of a reboot, blah blah, blah blah BS and it was terrible. This actually looks like it's going to be kind of cool. The coolest thing I think is the rear of the car. This lighting treatment they did looks.

[Filippo]

The front end looks good too.

[Doug]

I think it looks good.

[Kenan]

Yeah. Let me bring this up. I think it's.

[Filippo]

Yeah. Pin and free and NSX or the. The Tensei which means birth. What, what they're calling it the tense which is rebirth.

[Kenan]

I think this is, this is actually a. This actually looks.

[Doug]

Can I get one of these?

[Kenan]

This is a reboot.

[Doug]

How do I get one of these? What do I have to do?

[Filippo]

I can't I think live in Japan.

[Doug]

Maybe I have to live in Japan.

[Filippo]

That I actually don't know. They haven't announced very much.

[Doug]

They got NSXs in America. We got one right over there.

[Filippo]

Although apparently they have shown it to people and gotten starting to get orders.

[Doug]

Well, they've shown it. Yeah, they've looking at it right now.

[Filippo]

They've shown not just images to people. People in November at Fuji Speedway. It sounds be cool. What I did not realize is that Honda P worked with Honda to create the NSX concept.

[Doug]

It was something else.

[Kenan]

It was like the.

It became then the nsx.

[Doug]

Well you say that but in. In my world only one person worked with Honda to make the nsx.

[Kenan]

Oh, so you're going to say it's Senna.

[Doug]

Senna.

[Filippo]

I will also know to be fair to you, the 1984 HPX concept. Pull it up. It doesn't really look like that. It's actually any way shape or form.

[Doug]

It's that go wait right there.

It also doesn't look like Pin and Farina. That looks like a jeep.

[Kenan]

Oh no, no. I don't know. That looks like was a Ferrari. Not the Mythos but there's the one before that. You know the one it was white and it was like the fun Opened up. That looks so Pin and Farina.

[Doug]

Needless to say, this didn't make production. I like this NSX Resto mod thing. I love all the restomods. Unlike you, I think they're all cool. I welcome them all. I just wish they were like available, like singers. I think you can buy a singer if you call up the Singer people and say, hey, I'm a rich guy.

[Kenan]

You like that?

[Doug]

Heinous.

[Kenan]

Terrible.

[Doug]

That's cool. Anything you can do to make the 355 and I'll tell you something, I.

[Kenan]

Tell you what, it didn't make the 355 any more reliable. That's what you're going to say.

[Doug]

And it did.

[Kenan]

They did not.

[Doug]

I asked him about this in a cool way. Like this is a cool car.

[Filippo]

No, it isn't.

[Doug]

I do think one of the drawbacks of all these restomods is that at the end of the day, after the glossy photos, you're kind of left with the car, like under the skin. You get in, it's probably going to be a 1990 NSX interior, which isn't really that. That like if they really went the whole way like Singer does, that would be cool. But I bet they won't. I don't think that would not be.

[Kenan]

Surprised if they did some stuff to modernize the interior. But nonetheless they really have been focused on more of advertising. They're doing stuff to the exterior of the car. But I think as far as execution for some of these rest of MOD projects go, I think that is probably the most compelling one I've seen.

[Filippo]

I will be clear. I don't think they're taking NSXS and rest of mod then I think they're building something in new.

[Doug]

Well, I'm down for that.

[Filippo]

That.

[Doug]

Let's find out. I'm looking at the stories and it says that there's not. None of this is confirmed yet. It's just pictures out. Next news story, please. Do we have any other news?

[Kenan]

Yes, one more news story. So if you're in Russia and you had a Porsche, a lot of people had a tough week. So the Porsche vehicle tracking system pvts in Russia specifically recently had a huge malfunction that basically had affected hundreds of customers and they were not able to start their cars. Now that's a problem. If you live in a cold place like I don't know, Russia and you maybe want to get somewhere and you go to start your car. Kind of an irritating problem.

[Doug]

You don't think this is a big deal?

[Filippo]

No, it's Certainly a problem.

[Kenan]

It's certainly a big problem because it speaks to something larger. If they were affected by this, what other markets could be? Well, yeah, that's the thing that's a little scary.

[Doug]

Some of us still drive cars that can't be controlled by robot over right now.

[Kenan]

I understand that you want to have tracking to make sure that your car, particularly in Russia, if it gets stolen, you want to make sure that you can get it back. I understand that it adds a lot of value. However, the fact that the potential trade off of that is that you might not be able to start your car because a satellite fails.

[Doug]

That's a little problem.

[Kenan]

Problematic. Yeah, seems like a big problem.

[Doug]

But you think they deserve it, don't you?

[Filippo]

No, I don't.

[Doug]

You think they deserve it. Filippo, listen, Russia's in that whole war situation with Ukraine. We're able right now, I think this is a rare time in American history we're able to say stuff about Russians that we weren't able to say, like five years that we maybe have thought, but we weren't able to to say. You can say it. You're a European. You're a European. Say what you want to say about Russia.

[Filippo]

It is certainly problematic that a product that a manufacturer makes is not sufficiently reliable, like their technology stack is not sufficiently reliable to make the product actually function.

[Doug]

He had the chance to say something about Russians and instead he used the word technology stuff.

[Kenan]

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[Doug]

We have to move on to the talk cars segment which is sponsored by Ryan Lopez's drift car car.

[Filippo]

One of one of our team members is a drift guard here.

[Doug]

Team member, he said, I love this when we get to find out our employees are actually team members who we didn't know. I didn't know I was on a team. It's like Cadillac Formula one.

[Kenan]

Now I know who those team members are.

[Doug]

All right, I want to talk. I had an incident the other day. Countach broke down again. Again.

[Filippo]

Gosh. Was it also on the highway or are you good this time?

[Doug]

I don't remember where it was, but I'll tell you this. It broke down and a tow truck driver came and picked up. It up does a glossin and it's at the shop. And the tow truck driver said are you sure that that little tow hook under the car is enough to winch it onto the tow truck? And I said yeah, happened month. I'm sure.

[Filippo]

So the Countach which was so reliable for a year and a half where you touted the two and a two and a half years you all you talked about was this car has been problem free.

[Kenan]

Well, George Evans serviced it. It was fine.

[Doug]

I will speak to that. And I think that that's what happened. The car got a big service three years ago. Three years has come up. It's literally actually three years. Evan's got it three years ago like this week. And I think that it's aging in now to some stuff that weren't replaced during that service because it wasn't a long time ago. And so, you know, you're getting into that point. So the question is do you undertake another kind of large service, maybe take the car out for another two months and replace some more stuff that's aging or do you start fixing stuff as it happens, which is obviously what I'm currently doing. Doing as I'm breaking down this particular one was the Clutch master and Slave cylinder not a big deal. I've been told it's for the for the master and slave together it's a thousand bucks plus install it's. It's not a big deal. But having the car be reliable is important. Obviously the the original thing which was the distributor the first time it failed that was also only like a th000 bucks not a big deal. It's just you know stuff happened I.

[Kenan]

My view on it if you want my is that like I think it is wise while George Evans who's not a young man still servicing these cars is like I wouldn't maybe I mean don't send it to him once a year but maybe every couple I'm thinking.

[Doug]

About in 27 send it to him. See how 2016 goes. I will say you know it's interesting that the Countach gets a lot of crap. None of these problems have been Countach related. The distributor is anything that can happen to any old car and happens all the time to old cars. Customer and slave still are on a clutch. This isn't like oh because they installed the radiator 1 inch from the battery it melts the terminals and you have to replace it every day like it is none of that stuff.

[Kenan]

Car's 42 years old.

[Doug]

42 years old. This stuff happens. And also I drive it as if it's an acceptable thing to drive frequently like I drive it at least twice a week and I drive it like to the post office and like I drove it also helps. It helps certain things it helps but certain things it hurts right. There are some wear items that actually do wear with use and some that are actually improved with use but it's nonetheless broken out. Again I need a new master cylinder and I was on the phone with our shop here, Gary Bobbleff and Gary said me he said these master cylinders said everything was pretty easy to find up until a couple weeks ago when Lamborghini's parts distribution warehouse was destroyed in that UPS plane crash in Louisville, Kentucky.

[Kenan]

What bad. I mean obviously a tragedy but the.

[Doug]

Bad luck's not the fact that that.

[Kenan]

Strikes so close to home for you.

[Doug]

Isn't that bizarre Crazy. So they apparent. I mean if you look at the pictures from that plane crash a lot of buildings were destroyed and I'm not surprised surprised there where there are warehouses all throughout the Midwest for various companies because it's easy in the Midwest to access the east coast and the west coast and send parts all over the place whenever.

[Kenan]

But how about that I wonder what was in there?

[Doug]

Yeah.

[Kenan]

Like was there a Diablo like rear engine cover, actual engines, transmission, what stuff's gone?

[Doug]

What really? I mean all those parts are basically any part is value.

[Kenan]

Yeah.

[Doug]

And so what stuff's gone? He said he can get a new one from Europe, but it takes two weeks instead of, instead of a day.

[Kenan]

Not a big deal. It's.

[Doug]

Yeah, yeah, it's no problem. It's no problem.

[Kenan]

Although now you probably have to pay tariffs on that, you know.

[Doug]

Probably. But it's only that particular part is only 600 bucks.

[Filippo]

Did. Is this changing your perception and your mental like appreciation of the K?

[Doug]

Not yet. Because again, none of the problems that have happened have been K specific. Like I know a lot of people with old cars and this happens to all of them. Like master slave cylinders, distributors. Like these are kind of common old car issues.

[Kenan]

Well, even having to have a carb rebuilt is. It's an old car. Stuff fouls up, you know, you got to.

[Doug]

I don't see how up so far in my experience, I don't see how the has been worse than any, any attempting to drive any other 40 or 50 year old car every day.

[Filippo]

The thing is, it's your only old car. The 993 older two at this point. That's a 30 year old car.

[Doug]

But are you asking me about the Hamilton Collection?

[Filippo]

No. Because boy am I not.

[Doug]

Because I've been thinking.

[Filippo]

I want to be really clear.

Want to be really clear. I'm not.

[Doug]

Okay. I want to. I want to go on a little tangent here because I've been thinking about this. The Countach is a little difficult to own. It's an old car.

[Kenan]

Yep.

[Doug]

The Hamilton Collection gets on this whole thing with Christian von Koenigs and we talked about it a little on the pod, but I was reminded of something. Hamilton Collection had a Countach, white Countach. They took it to Evans, did a massive service. A year later they sent it back to Evans, did another massive service. A year after that they sold it. The Countach isn't for.

People who.

Take.

[Kenan]

Your time, put it together slowly.

[Doug]

People who, who attained money and bought the cars that those type of people have, the SF 90s and the Bugattis.

To have a Countach, not an EB110 to be a Countach owner, it requires.

I mean this thing breaks and I'm laughing. I'm not sending an Instagram DM to Christian von Koenigseggs complaining, Right. Like this is part of it. This is part of owning an old car. This is part of the enthusiasm that comes with these vehicles. And I think that certain people on the social media who's, who are celebrated only if who are celebrated primarily for their financial gains and their acquisitions are not prepared to own cars such as these. And that's that.

[Kenan]

My statement I would add to that is like specifically with the Koenigsegg thing is like that is a new expensive car. You do not expect to have to deal with issues that you deal with.

[Filippo]

The 42, you sure do with a Koenigsegg.

[Kenan]

Look, I, I don't disagree with that, but I understand why some, someone in that position would be frustrated by the experience.

[Doug]

I get it. That's what really hit me, made me think about it. I think you kind of do. Everyone knows this is like a one warehouse. They're doing an operation, they're on the cutting edge, they're trying to make all this stuff. And I think if you want to go down that road as a guy with money, you're going to be disappointed because stuff is going to break and stuff isn't going to work right if you want to go down. And by the way, Hamilton does a video the other day saying that Tesla is one of his all time favorite car brands. This tells you kind of where their mindsets are with these people who have big collections and a lot of money as opposed to pure intelligence enthusiasm where it's like, of course. And I'll tell you, when you saw it with the Koenigsegg response, some of the, some of the owners were like, yeah, they break. I love my Koenigsegg. Wouldn't change it. And some were like, this is the worst thing in the world. And it kind of separated them based into those categories. Are you an enthusiast who is tolerant.

[Kenan]

Of these things or are you a rich guy? Go fast.

[Doug]

Are you a rich guy?

[Filippo]

I will say I think if once you reach a certain amount of wealth, you expect that you can pay your way out of that. You go to Evans every year because you think if I throw 50 grand at it every year it'll be reliable.

[Doug]

And I think some of these guys get upset when they learn that's actually true. Requires both money and.

A tolerance and an accepting, an acceptance and a capability that I think if you are will, if you are used to just paying your way out of it, it doesn't provide.

[Kenan]

Which I think that comes back to a point that you've always made that when we see these cars actually being used and driven, it's like I have so much more respect for that. Not just because the Car is cool. It's hard because I know and I know having owned an old Italian exotic car that like how hard it is.

[Doug]

It's hard.

[Kenan]

It's really hard.

[Doug]

It's hard. Go to a dealer, buy an SF90, pay 300 off sticker. Any rich guy can do that. It is legitimately hard to have these cars and I'm here for it. And I understand that. That's one of the reasons that I don't think Countach is really rocking it up in value. People really believe that it's difficult to own. I'd rather own it and deal with the difficulty. And I'm sitting there, it's broken down and it broke down from my house actually. And I'm sitting there looking at it and I'm thinking this is the coolest looking car in the world. Yeah.

[Kenan]

I don't want to say it's charming, but you just know it's a part of it. And whether it strikes you today or tomorrow, you don't really know what that's kind of. It's a point A to point a car. You don't ever use it if you have to go through. It's all about the experience.

[Doug]

And I think it's part of the experience. And I am charmed by that. And I understand how there are people who wouldn't be. But I think the enthusiasts of this type of thing are. And so has it lost the luster zero still my favorite cario.

[Filippo]

I would say. I would not. Yeah, I don't want to deal with that.

[Kenan]

No, no.

[Filippo]

Period.

[Kenan]

Not for you.

[Doug]

Speaking of things you don't want to deal with, how are you. How are you going on finding a car which you announced last week you were going to be doing?

[Filippo]

Yeah. Yeah. I've been talking to a bunch of different sellers of primarily 991 911s.

[Doug]

Yeah.

[Filippo]

But some others in there too. I reached out to 981s and some others.

There were some influences in our group of friends that maybe gave poor advice.

[Kenan]

We're going down the boxer route already.

[Filippo]

No, no, no. I just wanted to consider one, you know. But I think a 991 base cab is what I want. I do have. I'm in conversations with a few. One did sell for more than I thought was. Was market appropriate. So I kind of let that one go.

[Kenan]

But it's going to happen a lot too.

[Doug]

But we know the market really well.

[Filippo]

We. We run an auction site where we know literally what we're willing to pay. And I. I'm. Will I'M not in a rush. I want to buy a car quickly. I want to buy a car relatively quick. I'm not going to overpay for that privilege. I would, but there.

[Doug]

Because you know what, you know what? The thing is, you're. You're not willing to overpay by even two grand.

[Filippo]

That's a lot of money.

[Kenan]

You're gonna. Yeah, but somebody else will. That's the thing. You're going to continue to lose these.

[Filippo]

The markets going up.

[Kenan]

The other thing is you, the thing you haven't conceptualized yet is that you are depriving yourself of the opportunity, like the opportunity to enjoy this car at all.

[Filippo]

That's assuming I'll enjoy it. I mean, come on.

No, I'm joking.

[Doug]

I, I'm.

[Filippo]

I'm very actively pursuing it.

[Doug]

At least he's aware.

[Filippo]

I, I am legitimately actively pursuing. I've been looking for about a week and a half. It's not unexpected that I think the.

[Doug]

Assumption he's going to enjoy.

[Kenan]

I'm sorry, my. I thought. Yes. I didn't realize the. The primary purpose of a sports car is not enjoyment.

[Filippo]

No, it's.

[Doug]

I do think you have to be willing to overpay maybe a little bit. I think the market on those cars is rising. There is a guy who's been posting on the renlist carrera gt section looking for a cheap carrera gt. He made his first post in 2011 and he bumps it every couple of years and he hadn't bumped it in five or six years. And someone replied are you still looking? And he said yes. This was like six months ago. The dude's been looking for a cheap career GT since they were $300,000 and obviously not quite the same situation. But if that market is rising, paying two grand over today, I am like a deal tomorrow.

[Filippo]

I think it is right here.

[Kenan]

About to get their temps.

[Doug]

You know, it's a long time.

[Filippo]

I think they are still appreciating looking.

[Doug]

For a cheap car. That's insane.

[Kenan]

Don't be this guy.

[Filippo]

The reality in the 991 market is that there's not much. Very, very many manual. There's a lot of PDK 901 cabs. I could buy a PDK 991 cabriolet for 20 grand less than a manual will cost today. Well, they're everywhere. It's harder to find a manual. There's not that many.

[Doug]

Therefore. Therefore that's 22 grand less than what a manual.

[Kenan]

Therefore the demand is higher. Meaning that the market to buy there has compression of time. You need to act.

[Filippo]

Wouldn't you rather I buy the one that I actually want instead of one that isn't what I want?

[Doug]

What do you want?

[Kenan]

Quickly you need to bring my like act.

[Doug]

What do you want? Cars have come up and you've rejected some for reasons that weren't last week. All you said in this podcast you won a 991 with a stick.

[Filippo]

Yeah, yeah. There is like one for sale that is reasonable that I've not reached out to because the. There's no photos and the spec is not one that I'm that interested in.

[Doug]

He's now he wants us the right spec. He wants to be able to go PCA thing.

[Kenan]

Oh, nice. He is a Porsche guy.

[Doug]

Nice spec. You got the watch for that spec.

[Filippo]

From my experience with other cars that it would be nice to have heated seats in a. In a convertible. Southern California, you can drive top down almost any day. But it'd be nice to have heated seats.

[Doug]

Dude. The level of the luxury that you.

[Filippo]

Most of them. Most of them. You added heated seats after Marcus your crazy team.

[Doug]

I do not have heated seats in many of my cars.

[Filippo]

Yes, and half of them you do.

[Doug]

Yeah, but not a little bit over half.

[Filippo]

A little bit over half. Think about it.

[Kenan]

God, that was a dumb.

[Filippo]

I, I. There are things where I think my enjoyment of them and my wife enjoyment of the car would be a little bit higher if I weigh the tiny bit. And so I won't do that.

[Kenan]

I just, I have you.

[Filippo]

You should see my emails and texts. There are a lot of conversations about it.

[Kenan]

I'd like to review what you're saying to these people because like I've seen you negotiate.

[Doug]

When do you clamp down? Like when someone takes a low ball or what do you do?

[Filippo]

No, no. There's like many conversations. I also recognize that in a market where there's just like in an auction site there might be somebody that's willing to pay more and that's okay.

[Doug]

Just gotta wait a little bit. Yeah, it should.

[Filippo]

It's not like I have like, like I need to spend the money by tomorrow. No, I've, I've. If it takes an extra week, that's fine.

[Doug]

Pursue. Continue to pursue and so. But it's going to end up being a 718 PDK. 718 base.

[Filippo]

Thank you. I just don't want to buy a car and think it's a different color than what I get. You know, I want to make sure I do my deal.

[Doug]

Oh my God. That's the enormous shade Throw. Kevin bought. Wow. Wow. Wow. Filippo, do you want to say it? Do you want to explain it? Oh, my God. I can't believe that that happen. Wow.

[Filippo]

Wow.

[Doug]

He is. He is throwing more shade at Kenan than I thought.

[Kenan]

I have to find. I wish I had the picture.

[Filippo]

I probably can't pull up the picture. I will. Kenan thought he bought a Rosa Corse.

[Kenan]

For which if you look at the picture of it.

[Doug]

Hold on.

[Kenan]

Let me. I'll bring it up.

[Doug]

Hold on.

[Kenan]

Give me.

[Filippo]

What color was it?

[Kenan]

It was Roso Porchetta, which is a better color.

[Filippo]

But not the color Ken wanted.

[Kenan]

No beautiful color, if I'm honest. Actually, I loved it being a better color.

[Filippo]

But, you know, you want to be sure.

[Doug]

I actually agree with you. By the way. I legitimately think it looked roso cor.

[Kenan]

It.

[Doug]

100% did.

[Filippo]

I'm saying this for the joke, not because I care.

[Doug]

I would ask the PPG label.

[Kenan]

I tell you, I. I didn't think I had to.

[Doug]

Filipo, would you the guy who made the PPG label?

[Kenan]

Right, right, right. You know what? It was glass at the time. It was what GL.

In 1998 they switched to PPG.

[Doug]

Your T cars is that you drove a Viper. Do you want to feel us out with it?

[Kenan]

Yes. We have a Viper that's coming to market relatively soon. Doug's going to review. It's a. It's a. A gen 1.5 Y. It is a. One of the Ronald McDonald cars.

[Filippo]

So.

[Kenan]

So it's.

[Filippo]

Yeah, it's really cool.

[Kenan]

It's. It's the. The cat ketchup, mustard. They only build 166 of them.

[Doug]

Very 166. And a lot of people swapped out the wheels because people think they're ugly.

[Kenan]

Everybody.

[Doug]

But I think they're amazing.

[Kenan]

I agree. It's like. And I also didn't.

[Filippo]

Not mutually exclusive.

[Kenan]

I forgot they built it in three different color combos. There's white with blue. White wheels. That. And I think there's one more. I think it's silver with.

[Doug]

Yeah, there. That's so true. I forgot about that. 3.

[Kenan]

Yeah.

[Doug]

I remember when I was a kid, I remember seeing pictures of these when it first was launched and thinking, that is the coolest thing I've ever seen. And I have to tell you, I have been in love with that color combo my whole life. I have never seen a Ronald McDonald Viper until it showed up in the.

[Kenan]

I totally agree. Even living in the Midwest, I had. Have not seen one either. But it is I. So I drove this Car just around because whenever the cars show up for Doug I like to go and shake them down a little, just make sure they're okay. And I have to say I loved the way that it drove. I was shocked at how much I liked that car. And I'm just reminded that I really, really, really, really, really want a first gen. Yeah, I love my SL65 but it's time already. Well, I mean I'm not saying already but like I've like. I can't stop looking at that Viper. It's behind Doug and it is the coolest looking thing.

[Doug]

We're selling the SL65 at the end of the day. Not yet compromised on his manuals. Only stand pants for 30 days with an SL.

[Kenan]

No, I'm holding the SL65 for a little while. There's some other things I have to. I want to do with it yet.

[Filippo]

But they are such. That's the most different you can get with while still having a convertible.

[Kenan]

Yes.

[Doug]

Well, get a G wagon. Convertible.

[Kenan]

Yeah.

[Doug]

Get a G Lawn delay.

[Kenan]

I could get a cross.

[Filippo]

That's more like a bike than the SL65.

[Kenan]

That's pretty different.

[Doug]

Not even audible though. That's a Barchetta.

[Kenan]

That's true.

[Doug]

The gen one.

[Filippo]

Yeah. Gen 1.5. Fascinating car.

[Kenan]

Well the 1.5 is interesting because the body of the first but which some would argue is also the body of.

[Doug]

The second gen. Let's be clear here. It's a second gen car but the roadsters were beginning and once they went to the ride pipes, the rear exit Exhaust, they were Gen 2s to Viper.

[Kenan]

People to the community. They called a 1.5 because technically the coupe then became the Gen 2.

[Doug]

We collectively agree there's only three generations of Viper. Gen 1, Gen 2 and Gen 5, of course but Gen 5 is, is the third gen Viper.

[Kenan]

Correct. It's very confusing, hard to keep up with but you figure it out eventually.

[Filippo]

It's very odd because it still doesn't have exterior door handles.

[Kenan]

No.

[Filippo]

And like it still has like the, like the window but like the, the other second gen Vipers.

[Doug]

Do you know what it's got confusing Ronald McDonald. It looks so cool but what were they thinking? It's hard to see by the way but there are red and there. Are there yellow accents inside too or is it just red?

[Kenan]

No, just red accents.

[Doug]

But they're not attractive. I mean I want to be clear. I don't find this car to be attractive. Nonetheless, I want it deeply.

[Kenan]

Exactly. I agree. I don't know why I like it so much because it's abs.

[Doug]

It is just as these cars age, their speed becomes less important and the absurdity and the experience and the overall feel is what's exciting. And that's. This car has it in drove. Yes.

[Kenan]

And our producer drove the car and he said if you were into these cars, you must have been dropped on your head as a child. And I must have been because I think that there's so I just don't.

[Doug]

Don't forget though, he's got a bad colored G wagon.

[Kenan]

He's got a bad color G wagon and a silver tip frog. But I think that one of the things about the Viper, it just is crude and it doesn't pretend to be anything. Anything else. It's kind of honest in the way that it is. And that's what makes it fun. Yeah. It's big engine, manual transmission, rear wheel.

[Filippo]

Drive.

[Kenan]

As you say. But I love the car and it's.

[Doug]

I hope you get one. And I can't believe we're selling the SL65.

[Kenan]

Not selling.

[Doug]

Gone by Valentine's Day. Mark my words. My valentine will be Kennen in a Viper.

[Kenan]

I'm not saying it's gonna be gone by them. I still love the car.

[Doug]

To move on to the market report which is brought to you by Filippo's Drink Glass Trade Coffee. Where'd you find this?

[Filippo]

We received it from trade.

[Doug]

You're welcome. The market report is actually brought to you by the Kia Stinger, which is the subject of today's market report. Are you aware of what, what's happening in the Kia Stinger market?

[Kenan]

No.

[Doug]

These things are cheap, cheap, cheap.

[Filippo]

Are you surprised though?

[Doug]

It's an amazing car. Yep. It's honestly the best car I've ever owned. Wow. No, but I'm. It's top. It's. I've owned 37 cars. It's top. It's top 20. 27.

[Filippo]

Whoa.

[Doug]

And yeah.

[Kenan]

Really?

[Doug]

And the fact that they are. One of them was a second gen Prius. And by second gen, I mean gen 1.5.

[Kenan]

Nice. Nice. Well said.

[Doug]

These are. Come on. These cars are starting to get into the. Into the high teens, low twenties. This is 365 horsepower. If you get the GT2, which we would.

[Filippo]

Right.

[Kenan]

Can't tell you what it adds.

[Doug]

You're thinking about.

[Filippo]

You're thinking, no, it's a great car though.

[Doug]

How often do you wish that you hadn't committed to a Porsche because you're finding out other cars are good deals and you could have had them instead?

[Filippo]

No, I'm not interested.

[Doug]

You don't want one of these. Did you ever drive mine?

[Filippo]

No, but I love the car.

[Kenan]

He still may end up with us.

[Filippo]

To be clear.

[Kenan]

Like he doesn't have a Porsche yet.

[Doug]

I love different GT2.

[Filippo]

Yeah, different GT2. I think it's a phenomenal car. I'm not that surprised that they're cheap, but I am surprised by how cheap. Yeah.

[Doug]

They. These things drive so wonderfully. 28, I think that low 20s. They're nice interior, good tech. And I'm telling you, the steering is great. The powertrain is one of the truly one of the best powertrains in any.

[Filippo]

Car I've ever owned.

[Doug]

I love this engine.

[Filippo]

I'm sorry, KT.

[Doug]

No, this is the best. The V10 from Formula One is the best.

[Kenan]

Not. It was never used in any F1 car.

[Doug]

It was designed but it.

[Kenan]

Yeah. And he could build something out of play do and say it was designed to look like. Whatever.

[Doug]

Listen, listen, I'm just. I'm sorry. I won't typ my hero. Ayrton Senna won the Phoenix Grand Prix in 1990 with a derivative of this car. He basically.

[Filippo]

Porsche built the car gta, then derived it.

[Doug]

He drove through downtown Mesa, past the Mesa city hall at 250 miles an hour in the Carrera GT, a sort of an early version of it.

[Kenan]

A different driver drove a different car with a different engine. That's not that one. You're getting your footwork history all wrong.

[Doug]

But Mesa City hall was there.

[Kenan]

That's the only part of that story that is actually.

[Doug]

I don't think it is. The racetrack though, is the Phoenix Grand Prix, which is a real thing. So somehow the racetrack was. Yeah, I know. It's so. I agree with you. It's sad that they're not doing it anymore with the Carrera gt, but maybe we can bring it back. We have one after all.

[Filippo]

Let's have them close the street, go to Arizona. 225 passes Mesa City Hall.

[Doug]

Stinger GT, one of the all time great buy. I also want to talk about the smart cross blade market.

[Filippo]

Yeah, please.

[Doug]

I got a text today from Supercar Ron. You know Supercar Ron, He's a nice fella. I actually legitimately liked Supercar Ron a lot. I drove his Aston Valkyrie.

[Filippo]

Shame about his F40.

[Doug]

Yeah, his F40 got hit by some guy and he texts me and he says I was bidding on this and I can't believe it. Sold for $51,000. And I told him, go back to the. I told him. I said, we've actually had five of These, they all sell for stupid money. And I'm not surprised at all. In fact, I was the highest bidder on this one for a long time. Or maybe that one. And then I had to let it go because it had gotten too much for me. And he said I really wanted it, but I wasn't about to pay 51,000. I'm just here to tell you the smart cross blade market is strong.

[Filippo]

The market's consistent too. 1,000 miles, $55,000. More than 1,000 miles, $38,000.

[Doug]

Well the thing about. There's no smart cross blade that has more than 2,000 miles.

[Filippo]

15,900, buddy. Well that.

[Doug]

But that one didn't have a title, don't forget.

[Filippo]

Fine. 5,500.

[Doug]

Well right. So. So. So the spread for miles from these is between 0 and 6,000. And so that's what. And they all the spec is the same. So the market values car. Right. That's the only distinguishing factor.

[Kenan]

Y what so hard to accrue that many?

[Doug]

5,500. Oh my God. I don't want 950. Any who. We sold another one for $51,000.

[Filippo]

We are the place. I've never seen one for sale anywhere else.

[Kenan]

Well, if we have no other claim to fame, we are the place to smell to sell your smart.

[Doug]

I can't believe the fellow trying to sell this. Put a Mercedes Benz license plate on like he's trying proud of his heritage. He should be proud of the fact that he's driving a smart crossplay. Forget about Mercedes Benz. I would want nothing to do with them if I had this car. Anywho, these cars are going to be legal in two years. Will you import one?

[Filippo]

I'm not committing that especially for 51.

[Doug]

I guarantee that's what they sell.

[Filippo]

€400. Yeah. Yeah.

[Doug]

You've never seen one for sale. You've never been to central pay in the summer. These CMCs, I've never seen one for sale littering the sidewalks with for sale signs on them.

[Filippo]

I don't think I've. Is that right?

[Kenan]

Yeah, that was my fighting memory. That south of France. My friend Ryan did see one I did not get to see.

[Doug]

I've seen a couple.

[Filippo]

Can we talk about the. The 1977 911?

[Doug]

What's that?

[Filippo]

Well, we sold in 1977911 that a dude spent 12 years building in his garage.

[Doug]

I remember that.

[Filippo]

It's a very cool story.

[Doug]

Very cool.

[Filippo]

Sold this week for 128,500.

[Doug]

Yeah.

[Filippo]

Which means that you can add value by doing Something in your garage?

[Kenan]

Well, I mean, yeah, you got 12.

[Filippo]

Years of cold ones.

[Kenan]

Yeah, a lot of. Lot of cold ones over a lot of years.

[Doug]

So what's the story? My understand.

[Kenan]

My understanding was that he always. He wanted to build some crazy car that was like this.

[Doug]

That was his.

[Kenan]

That was his like ambition for this car. It took him. It was, you say 12 years. And so he just, in his garage just started doing all of this.

[Doug]

That's incredible.

[Filippo]

It looks great. He did a beautiful job.

[Kenan]

Now when I. Now when you say that, it's like, okay, it seems like it'd be hacky. I don't think so. I mean, granted, the looks are up to you if you like them or not, but the fact that someone can put this car together and it looks this finished is very.

[Doug]

No, it looks like a factory racing car.

[Kenan]

Somebody was fabricating stuff himself and making stuff. So I mean, this. It's almost a little bit more art than anything else. I mean, look how clean like the installs and stuff. Like the guy. Although admittedly, I'm not. You and I are not the biggest supporters of modified cars. Not actually you aren't either, for that matter. This is really impressive. It's well done.

[Doug]

Well, it's pretty cool.

[Kenan]

And the fact, I mean, then it brought serious money.

[Doug]

People recognize the specialness of the build.

[Kenan]

Yeah, absolutely. And I think that I. I have to give my credit where it's due. I think that this is a really impressive car.

[Doug]

Beautiful car, beautiful build. Did really well. Thrilled we had the chance to sell it.

[Kenan]

Exactly. I'm really touched when people bring those cars to us.

[Filippo]

Also so cool when the person that built it sells it, like three owners from now. If, unfortunately, whoever buys it doesn't keep it for long or whatever, it will lose a spell because they won't know why they made that decision. The seller here knew exactly what he did, why he did it, and could speak to that. And that made it really a cool.

[Kenan]

Honestly, it's documented a lot. Like a lot of the comments. Like it's. It's nice to have this. One of the great benefits of like our site is you can look back on this. It will be attached to this car forever. Yeah, I think it's very cool.

[Doug]

It's cool stuff. And it's also important when the builder of a BMW wagon with a Maserati 4.7 liter V8 swap sells that car.

[Filippo]

Right? Totally. 100%. You see this? Yeah.

[Doug]

This is 20 grand, by the way.

[Kenan]

That's pretty cool for 28.

[Doug]

Totally. I mean, it's A ridiculous thing. And who knows if it's going to be reliable even in the slightest.

[Filippo]

No offense to the builder of this. You. The components that went into it were not reliable when new.

[Doug]

Well, there's a Nissan. There's a Nissan manual.

[Filippo]

That one is. You're right. Sorry.

[Kenan]

The monster transmission is actually pretty solid.

[Filippo]

Maserati transmission.

[Kenan]

To me, our engine is pretty.

[Doug]

Yeah, that four seven. That's true. And presumably when it was out, he probably did some work. I didn't really look that good, honestly.

[Kenan]

It looks like it's easier to service in this than it is in Maserati.

[Doug]

Cool as hell. I love a good build. Even though I'm not a modded car guy, I love a good build. Okay, we gotta move on to the questions. The questions are sponsored by Kennan's selling the SL63.

[Kenan]

I'm not selling.

[Doug]

If you want to buy Kenan's SL65, you send us an email at Sean carsandbids.com that's s e a n carsandbids.com, right. You send us an email there. You. You make an offer. It's going to be like ebay, okay. You know, or Cars and Bits.

[Kenan]

No, I'm not selling the SL65. I still very much enjoy the car. It's going to stick around for a while, however. But I do want to buy for Apple.

[Doug]

Someone popped into sean's email at 40. Are you thinking about it?

[Kenan]

No. One day, if it goes, it'll be on the site.

[Doug]

Okay. We have some great questions this week, and I also want to remind people to ask questions. Go to carsandbids.com, go to the community tab, and then there's a post there that says, questions, questions, questions. And you post your questions. We need questions 484 last week. Give us more. This week. We thrive on. I read every single one. And I rounded up what I consider to be the best.

[Filippo]

I will also say, if we have not gotten to your question, one of our holiday special shows, we're going to do it. We're going to do a lot of questions. So not a shot.

[Doug]

First question from Thomas R3818. Somehow, this was the highest upvote. Doug, you don't make it a secret that you film at least partially, you film at least all of your videos in the San Diego Zoo parking lot. Now that they've announced parking will no longer be free, effective January 5th, will you be on the hunt for a new filming spot?

Yeah.

[Filippo]

No.

[Doug]

What I'm going to do is I'm Going to expense my zoo membership to the company. I think that it's actually great.

[Kenan]

Flippa loves.

[Doug]

Oh God, he's expensing more crap.

[Filippo]

There's a separate monthly parking membership, but it exists. It's not bad.

[Doug]

No, no. I'm expensing my whole Zoom membership and.

[Filippo]

Your family will get to enjoy it.

[Doug]

That's win for everybody. We will not only see baboons, but I will be able to for free, film my videos.

[Kenan]

Because to be clear, the parking thing is only for one car. You can't switch it from. You'd have to maintain.

[Doug]

I haven't read any of.

[Kenan]

Yes, I've read into.

[Doug]

They give you a sticker or something. They don't give you a sticker.

[Kenan]

It's by the license plate. So I guess you took the license plate and put it on each car you reviewed. It would be the same, but like it's for one car at a time. I looked into this because I'm.

[Doug]

Well, I gotta figure out what to do. I don't know what to do. I'm very nervous. I will tell you. They claim January 5th, but it's December 5th already. And I've been over there. Was over there yesterday, every other day, basically. And there's no infrastructure set up to, to take number payment. Oh, by the way, here's a great parking payment story. Okay, I was in D.C. i don't know, six weeks ago. And I go down to the mall there. You know the mall that's not the shopping mall, but the shopping mall, the National Mall, where they, they have the Capitol, the Smithsonian, the Washington Monument, the Trump fellow lives. Anyway, I'm down there and I street park. It's pretty easy. It's not a problem. This was during the government shutdown. There was no one there. The government was shut down. I parked the car.

[Filippo]

Who collects payment?

[Doug]

And there's kiosks. And when you start, I swear to God this. What I'm about to tell you is I took a picture of it for you, in fact.

[Filippo]

Thank you.

[Doug]

When you start the kiosk, it's managed by the National Park Service, the kiosk. And it's just. But it's just a little electronic kiosk. And your first choice, before you pay for parking, it says, would you like to, number one, pay for parking? Number two, make a donation.

I'm like, I certainly don't want to make a donation. So if you ever wanted to make a donation to the Park Service, you could write them a check, mail it off, or you go down to a parking kiosk in D.C. and you can make your donation right there. Not sure how tax deductible that was.

[Filippo]

Right?

[Kenan]

Yeah.

[Filippo]

Fascinating.

[Kenan]

Curious on that one.

[Doug]

That is. Wow. Do you think anybody ever makes a donation?

[Filippo]

No.

[Doug]

They showed up to park their car, right? Honey, we, you know, we could really make a donation.

[Filippo]

They wanted to get through it as quickly as you can and I had.

[Kenan]

Such a good time. Before we go, I'm gonna make a quick donation.

[Doug]

You know, that was it. I already parked my car. I came back to the car. It was so nice. I'm gonna make it. They had, they had offered. I guarantee. The only people who press that present by accident and are then irate that. That their $5 has not paid for parking.

[Filippo]

Yes. Did you pay even though presumably. No, no, no, the parking enforcement is not.

[Doug]

No, I made a donation.

[Filippo]

Presumably the parking enforcement is not necessary.

[Doug]

That in itself was probably a donation. Next question from Adityara. Something something. This is a good question for you and I know what your answer is going to be and I only left it in for you. If you had to have a two car garage with the same engine in both cars, what would it be? Formula 1Z8E39M5.

[Kenan]

Yep. That's pretty easy. Got one of them already. So that sounds good to me.

[Filippo]

My garage.

[Kenan]

No, that's, that's the goal.

[Filippo]

One day I'd have a Formula one car and encourage you to.

[Kenan]

Well, an imaginary Formula one car for you.

[Doug]

Same.

[Kenan]

You guys are intolerable. I stand by the.

[Doug]

Not just a Formula one car. Ayrton Senna.

[Kenan]

They won't do with it.

[Doug]

Ayrton Senna won the Phoenix Grand Prix. Win a Carrera gt. Different body work. Slightly different body work.

[Filippo]

There's a lot of good options.

[Doug]

W12 Bentley. I mean you would get a W12 Bentley, get in a Continental Flying Sport.

[Kenan]

Speed SL65 Black Series and a G65. Ooh.

[Filippo]

I was trying to go more quirky.

[Kenan]

Oh.

[Filippo]

Like.

[Kenan]

Oh, I go every car.

[Filippo]

Like a Super and a Grenadier, which both use BMW engines. The same BMW engine.

[Kenan]

You know, you do an F50 in a Formula One car. That's an actual Formula One car.

[Doug]

333 SP2 car. Yeah.

[Kenan]

Perfect.

[Doug]

How about this?

[Filippo]

A Saturn View redline and a V6 Accord.

[Kenan]

Both.

[Doug]

But remember, you didn't have to get the red line to get the Honda V6.

[Filippo]

I know, but I won the red line. What do you think I have?

[Kenan]

You could, you could have a Corolla and an Elise.

[Doug]

Yeah, Corolla srs, which was a damn Cool car.

[Filippo]

An Evora and a Sienna.

[Doug]

Yeah, that is a good one.

[Kenan]

That's a good one.

[Doug]

Can I posit a different one especially for you? A single man S2000 and an S2000. Hell yeah.

[Kenan]

AP1 and AP2.

[Doug]

No, it's a different engine.

[Kenan]

Oh, that's true.

[Doug]

It was a slightly enlarged.

[Filippo]

So many good options.

[Doug]

There are actually a lot of good options. All of which have been said, but I agree with you. And by the way, the correct answer is probably the Mercedes 4 liter AMG V8 because that was in hundreds. Or the Porsche, Audi, Volkswagen 4L which is in. You could have an urus on an RS6. You could have a Panamera. It's been in every car was the.

[Filippo]

V10 TDI from the Tuareg and the Q7. Anything good besides the TR?

[Doug]

I have a suggestion. The Q7 just get a Tuareg V10 TDI and no other car.

[Filippo]

That's all you need. It's all you need. All you need.

[Doug]

Or a second engine because you will need that.

[Filippo]

You will need the parts car.

[Doug]

Okay, next question from foe59. I only put this question in because I want to address one of the underlying assumptions. I don't actually plan to answer the question, but you can. What were some of the most unusual or unexpected daily drivers of the supercar and hypercar owners that you've reviewed? I never would have guessed. A Toyota Sequoia for someone with a Countach Ford GT Crew GT993. I don't daily a Sequoia Coya. Okay, how would you describe it? I don't know, but I have. I, until I drove this car to the office this week, I haven't driven this car in so long. It's. There's cobwebs everywhere. I don't use this car.

[Filippo]

Right.

[Doug]

That's the underlying assumption that I'm attacking here.

[Filippo]

But like if you describe this to somebody, you would say I, I have a couple of dailies and my sports cars.

[Doug]

The car I use the most is a convertible gwag. That's what I. When people ask me, that's what I say because I don't want to say Sequoia because I don't want them to.

[Filippo]

You know, to know.

[Doug]

And I don't want to say 993turbo because I don't want them to think I. I'm an air vent slat.

[Filippo]

You don't want to say E class.

[Doug]

Wagon because, well, that's my wife. But yeah, that's what I do say. I have a Mercedes Station wagon.

[Filippo]

What?

[Doug]

What's it to you?

[Filippo]

I've been driving that Mercedes station wagon.

[Doug]

It's so good.

[Filippo]

I know I didn't drive it for months for some reason, but it's so good.

[Doug]

I knew.

[Kenan]

I knew a couple people. There was one I knew he had a bunch of supercars, and his daily was a mini GP2. That was actually pretty cool.

[Filippo]

Wow. He wanted the harshest car to be his daily.

[Doug]

Yeah, Yeah.

[Kenan]

I mean, he liked supercars. It was more relaxed than his F40 and at 50, and so it's all spectrum. Felipe, I think I knew, so I'm trying to remember.

[Doug]

A bunch of.

[Filippo]

Weird choice.

[Kenan]

A lot of Cayennes. I know a lot of people who have, like.

[Doug]

I'll tell you the weirdest, the most surprising to go along with the question, even though I swore I wouldn't answer the question. Years ago, I reviewed a Bugatti EB110. The Germano Artioli, Our Italian man. Yep. And the guy who owned that EB110 kept it in a hangar at the Santa Monica airport with a collection of supercars that is indescribable. He has since sold all of them, but he had every single supercar. He had F40, F50, Career, GT4, GT, new old Ford GT XJ220, 959. I mean, I was in this. I've never seen, like, it before. MC12. Everything was sitting in this collection. And I reviewed his EP110, and we had lunch together. He was the nicest guy, and his son was there, and they were both wonderful. And after I. During lunch, I said to him, we had bento boxes.

[Kenan]

Oh, nice.

[Doug]

And I said to him, I said, yeah, you got all these incredible cars. I mean, it was. It was like every supercar we ever talk about.

[Filippo]

About.

[Doug]

Yeah, Countach, Diablo, all that, actually.

[Filippo]

220.

[Doug]

Yeah, he had an extra 220. And he said. I said, what are you daily? What's your daily? And he looked at his son and he said, what year is it? And the son was like, 2001. 2002. He was like, yeah, yeah, it's a 2002 Toyota Land Cruiser. Wow.

[Kenan]

No kidding.

[Doug]

Dude just has 100 series.

[Filippo]

Dang.

[Doug]

Okay, next question, next question, next question, next question, next question. Oh, this is a good one from Palagi.

Dear Doug, when I asked you about the new Tesla model Y about eight months ago, you mentioned that you weren't reviewing. I thought you weren't reviewing because you don't like Elon anymore. Did I ever. You answered the pot. It was simply because cars were not on the road yet. But since then there are a lot out there and still no video. So I have to ask again. Why haven't you done it? Do you not like Elon? What about why haven't I done the new model? I don't know. Get me a new Model Y. I mean they're everywhere.

[Kenan]

They're everywhere.

[Doug]

I think I missed my chance.

[Filippo]

I think you may have. Mr. Shan.

[Doug]

I wasn't paying attention. And they're gone now.

[Filippo]

It's one of those weird cars that there's. They just come out so quickly. There's not that much lead up. Tesla just starts produce them. They don't really have a PR department where they're trying to get more coverage of it. And then they're just kind of everywhere.

[Doug]

This is the thing.

[Filippo]

Did I not.

[Doug]

I thought I got into the cyber truck because we run in war on Turo. I got into the Model 3 because Tesla PR did reach out to me. I assume Tesla has laid off all their PR people as they had at various points throughout their existence. So they're probably not reaching out again. Flipo. Do me a favor. Go on Turo and find me a new Model Y. And I want to review it so Palagi can be happy. I have nothing against Elon. Nothing more against Elon than I had against him two years ago.

[Filippo]

There's so many Model Ys.

[Doug]

New ones on trillions. Okay.

[Filippo]

I haven't actually checked the trillions.

[Doug]

Get one in the office by this time next week.

[Filippo]

Done.

[Kenan]

Pronto.

[Doug]

Anyway. And that video will go up sometime in April.

It's a little backlog. Okay. Next question from Trestle Point Motors Auction question. This is for you. Any thoughts on adding a reserve off? Slash reserve reach. Slash reserve lifted or whatever. In a prominent location once the vehicle reaches the reserve coming off.

[Kenan]

I have thoughts on that.

[Doug]

There have been a few times when I missed it in the comments of sale. Our general opinion. Our opinion. You can do whatever you want.

[Filippo]

Yep.

[Doug]

But we ask that you.

[Kenan]

We advise however.

[Doug]

You can do whatever you want. People bought the. The Chevy Avalanche. So you can do whatever you want.

[Filippo]

It's a great truck. The split tailgate.

[Doug]

I know.

[Filippo]

Or the midgate.

[Doug]

Jesus. And they did it. 2500.

[Filippo]

They did.

[Doug]

But we have found that when you announce the reserve is off it kills bidding. That's what we have found. Now it's. It's a different story. People say this. They ask us this question a lot. Because at Barrett Jackson they're always like oh. Reserves off. They don't do that. Barrett Jackson. Because it's all no reserve, but at mecum.

Flubing, all reserves off, you know, but in that situation, it's a bunch of drunk excited people in a room. And the reserve going off adds to the excitement. When you're in one of our auctions, what we generally find is that announcing that turns the tide a little bit. People think that they're overpaying, that it's like, oh, the reserve is off. I must be paying too much. And I have watched repeatedly over and over and over again, when reserve comes off and the seller announces it, bidding stops. Now, if you want to do it as a seller, you're welcome to. If you think as a strategy it works for you, then do it. It's by, by all means you're welcome to. And we have sellers who do do it. But I wouldn't.

[Kenan]

I really think you're shooting yourself in the foot.

[Filippo]

Yep. There are probably some exceptions. Like if there's like a lot of conversation about, oh, there's no chance this meets reserve, you're like, no, like, actually you're getting there.

[Doug]

You're close.

[Filippo]

Getting close. Like, I'm being really reasonable with what the car is worth.

[Doug]

Cuz I've also seen auctions where people have been like, I would have bid if I had known it was going to sell.

[Filippo]

Which is also saying, just bid, just bid also. Well, we'll then work with you if you're the under bidder to put a deal together. If it doesn't be reserved, like bidding.

[Doug]

Is, you want, you want to end.

[Filippo]

Up the high bet.

[Kenan]

Right. Also a lot of people who will comment on that, but it's like, well, should have been. But I think that our general advice and our experience looked watching thousands and thousands of these is just, if you're a seller and it passes the reserve, keep that information to yourself. Celebrate on your own, but just let it keep chugging along.

[Filippo]

Yep.

[Doug]

Yeah.

[Kenan]

Best thing you can do.

[Doug]

Deeply, deeply, deeply feel that way.

[Filippo]

Yep.

[Doug]

Final question. This one is from Porky Polak. Oh, Doug, you've said multiple times that you buy all your cars in the press launch spec. To my knowledge, you've succeeded this in all cars besides the Ford gt. Any reason besides availability, you want blue instead of red with white stripes. The Ford GT is an interesting situation. There weren't ads for the Ford gt. There was only one ad ever for the Ford gt and it was a Super bowl commercial with a car with red, red car with white stripes. But there were no other ads. And that was it and however there were three press cars, three Ford GT press cars cars and they had a red, a white and a blue. And so when you read all the magazine tests from that era and actually when you look at all the press photos and stuff, the pictures are actually kind of evenly distributed between those three colors and the magazine hero cars are distributed between those three colors. And Ford never really had an official kind of launchy spec of the car. I still think white with blue stripes is the best looking Ford gt. I think heritage looks like a clown.

[Filippo]

No disagreement. I agree.

[Doug]

And I actually do not love the midnight blue with white stripes, but the market has become obsessed with it. But regardless, to me, any one of those three is sort of the press spec because the three press cars were those three colors. And I bought my car from a journalist who was there in period who bought the car new and he remembers having those three Ford GT press cars on track at the launch. The red, the white in the blue and. And then they made their way around to magazines and you can see tests with. With all of them if you read all the magazines. And I have every single Ford GT magazine.

[Filippo]

Do you.

[Doug]

It was. They were. Carl collected them and I. I got a stack of 054 GT literature. You ever want to read an A4GT comparison test?

[Kenan]

I do actually. If you wouldn't mind, I would like.

[Doug]

To read that Shout out to Carl.

[Kenan]

I. Yeah, I want to see.

[Doug]

It's actually interesting. I've always been like, what do I do with these? And now as you say that, maybe I want to read them. Felipe, you got any final words for us?

[Filippo]

We were just talking about our experience on auction. So I looked it up. We have had 33,000 auctions. End. We have 33,000 auctions and we've sold 200. Excuse me. We've sold 725,000 million. $725 million worth of cars.

[Doug]

725 million cars.

[Filippo]

We've seen a few options.

[Doug]

33. And yet people still take better pictures. You're an idiot.

[Kenan]

I'm not taking better p. I'll go to my grave. It'll be on my stone. Here lies Ken Roll and he asked to take better pictures.

[Doug]

Oh my God.

[Filippo]

That's all I got be number 33,000 something.

[Doug]

Next week. Car.com Next week Filippo's going to have a 991 right here in the office. We'll see. No, we will not see. No way.

[Kenan]

That wouldn't.

[Filippo]

Things move quick.

[Doug]

No, they don't.

[Kenan]

Not with you.

[Doug]

Sure they do.

[Filippo]

Things can move quickly.

[Doug]

Goodbye, everyone.

[Kenan]

Goodbye.