Trump Tariffs Hit the Car Market? Are Manufacturers Screwed?

Summary

**Summary of THIS CAR POD! with Doug DeMuro & Friends!
Episode: "Trump Tariffs Hit the Car Market? Are Manufacturers Screwed?"
Release Date: March 28, 2025

In this episode of "THIS CAR POD! with Doug DeMuro & Friends!", host Doug DeMuro and co-hosts Kenan and Filippo delve into the immediate and far-reaching impacts of the Trump administration's sudden imposition of a 25% tariff on imported cars. The hosts explore how this drastic policy change affects manufacturers, the automotive market, and consumers, while also touching on related automotive news and listener interactions.

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1. Introduction to the Tariff Shock

Doug DeMuro kicks off the discussion by highlighting the unexpected announcement:

• [00:56] Doug: “Moments before we recorded this podcast, the Trump administration announced a 25% tariff on imported cars, which is unbelievably insane, incredibly damaging to the car industry.”

2. Immediate Impact on Manufacturers and the Stock Market

The hosts analyze the immediate fallout:

• [01:18] Filippo: “It looks like it's going to be based on where the car is built... You have to spread out the cost you bear across the rest of your lineup.”
• [02:22] Filippo: “As of two hours ago, before this announcement, the prevailing thought was also there were going to be large carve-outs.”

Doug emphasizes the swift stock market reaction:

• [02:43] Filippo: “GM at a random glance... the stock market hates it and the car industry is going to hate it.”

3. Arbitrary Nature of Tariff Applications

Doug criticizes inconsistencies in tariff implementations:

• [03:42] Doug: “The crazy thing... half its parts come from Japan, but it's built in the US no tariff.”

Filippo echoes the sentiment:

• [03:05] Filippo: “China could only dream of damaging the American auto industry so quickly and so decisively as what Trump is threatening to do here.”

4. Challenges for American Manufacturers

The hosts discuss the logistical nightmares faced by automakers:

• [04:18] Filippo: “Today, it's going to be impossible to explain the effect this will have on GM.”
• [06:08] Filippo: “The RAV4, the best selling car in America, 25% more expensive.”

5. Broader Economic Implications

Exploring the long-term consequences:

• [12:21] Doug: “This is what happens when you spend 50 years creating a free trade area and then overnight, over the course of five days, you take that fully away.”

6. Jay Leno’s Advocacy for Smog Exemptions

Shifting focus to environmental regulations:

• [16:05] Doug: “Originally, the law here in California was that it rolled... Arnold Schwarzenegger signed into law a bill to change that and cut the year off at 74.”

Filippo discusses the practical implications:

• [17:00] Doug: “California has lost all the tax revenue. And also there's nothing they can do about, for example, military...”

7. Aston Martin’s New Vanquish Volante

The podcast covers Aston Martin’s latest release amidst economic turmoil:

• [22:13] Kenan: “They're making it a convertible. The Vanquish 2 and now the Vanquish 3 are convertible... it produces 824 horsepower.”
• [23:05] Kenan: “This is a stunning move and it’s going to push prices higher with the new tariffs.”

8. Market Report: Unique Vehicle Demand

Highlighting niche market trends:

• [49:22] Filippo: “Yesterday we sold a GMC Sierra 1500 SLE... it sold for about MSRP.”

Kenan shares a significant sale:

• [51:45] Kenan: “We had our 355... sold for $140,000, an eighth best result in the last three years.”

9. Depreciation of Luxury Cars

Discussion on how luxury vehicles are losing value:

• [57:48] James: “This thing... it's a reliable car and it's just such a deal... but the market doesn't seem to value that at these cars. It doesn't care.”

Filippo adds insights on market perception:

• [58:14] Filippo: “The market seems to value enthusiast cars that appreciate.”

10. Q&A Section: Listener Questions

Engaging with the audience on various topics:

• Question 1: Canceled Lamborghini specs
  • Doug: “The spec was cheap... have about 14 of these... no idea.”
• Question 2: Bias in automotive journalism
  • James: “I do not care at all...the journalist role should be adversarial with automotive PR.”

11. Final Thoughts and Conclusion

Doug wraps up with reflections on the industry’s future:

• [84:49] Filippo: “Just DND212... Download the app.”
• Doug: “Thank you for watching our finest podcast ever.”

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Notable Quotes

• Doug DeMuro [00:56]: “Moments before we recorded this podcast, the Trump administration announced a 25% tariff on imported cars, which is unbelievably insane, incredibly damaging to the car industry.”

• Filippo [02:22]: “As of two hours ago, before this announcement, the prevailing thought was also there were going to be large carve-outs.”

• Doug DeMuro [03:42]: “The crazy thing... half its parts come from Japan, but it's built in the US no tariff.”

• Filippo [12:21]: “This is what happens when you spend 50 years creating a free trade area and then overnight, over the course of five days, you take that fully away.”

• James Pumphrey [57:48]: “This thing... it's a reliable car and it's just such a deal... but the market doesn't seem to value that at these cars. It doesn't care.”

Key Takeaways

• Sudden Tariffs: The Trump administration's abrupt imposition of a 25% tariff on imported cars is causing immediate turmoil in the automotive industry, affecting manufacturers' strategies and stock markets.

• Inconsistencies in Application: The tariffs are applied based on assembly location rather than component origin, leading to confusion and unfair penalties for American component manufacturers.

• Economic Downturn Risks: The hosts warn that such aggressive protectionist measures could trigger a recession, highlighting the interconnectedness of global trade agreements established over decades.

• Luxury Car Depreciation: Even traditionally reliable and luxurious cars like the Lexus LS500 are experiencing significant depreciation, indicating shifting market values towards more enthusiast-driven vehicles.

• Listener Engagement: The Q&A segment reveals common concerns among listeners about automotive journalism biases and the challenges of reviewing cars impartially.

• Industry Adaptation: Automakers like Hyundai are making long-term investments in US production facilities, but these measures are too slow to counteract the immediate negative impacts of the tariffs.

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This detailed summary encapsulates the primary discussions, insights, and conclusions drawn by Doug DeMuro and his co-hosts during the episode, providing a comprehensive overview for those who haven't listened to the podcast.

Transcript

[James Pumphrey]

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[Kenan]

I'm Kenan.

[Filippo]

I'm Filippo.

[James Pumphrey]

And let's start with the news. The craziest news story of the week, of the month, of the year, is tariffs. Moments before we recorded this podcast, the Trump administration announced a 25% tariff on imported cars, which is unbelievably insane, incredibly damaging to the car industry. It's going to be based on final assembly, seemingly.

[Filippo]

I will say this is all like.

[James Pumphrey]

Literally the we're Getting this information 20 minutes ago it was announced, but it looks like it's going to be based on where the car is built. Now, the crazy thing about this, I actually don't entirely think that the concept of this is insane on its face, but it goes into effect in five days. Now, the president, I'm not sure if he's aware, the automakers can't build a factory in the United States in five days. However, over the last 30 years, since NAFTA and then the agreement that replaced NAFTA was signed, the automakers have made enormous investments in production based on their assumption that these agreements, which were positively signed by all parties, included by the Trump administration, including by the Trump administration who negotiated the successor treaty to nafta, would continue to stay in place. And then to just pull the rug on the auto industry is one of the craziest things. In addition, it's also crazy because I'm sitting here looking at this, the Nissan Rogue, half its parts come from Japan, but it's built in the US no tariff. The Toyota RAV4, 75% of its parts come from the US and Canada, but it's built in Canada tariff, seemingly.

[Filippo]

Again, I want to.

[James Pumphrey]

So you're actually penalizing American component manufacturers.

[Filippo]

It's all insane, I will say so it is. 3:17pm Pacific Time on Wednesday right now, since his announcement less than an hour ago, GM stock is down and it keeps dropping 6.71% in aftermarket hours trading. After being down 3% during the day.

[James Pumphrey]

Today, it's going to be impossible to explain the effect this will have on gm.

[Filippo]

I read GM at a random glance.

[James Pumphrey]

But please read our quote.

[Filippo]

A gentleman named Flavio Volpe, who's the head of Canada's Automotive parts Manufacturing Association. This is from Pulls from Automotive News had a great quote which it says China could only dream of damaging the American auto industry so quickly and so decisively as what Trump is threatening to do here.

[James Pumphrey]

Again, it's hard to really explain the negative effect that this will have on the American automobile industry, including for American auto manufacturers, even though the goal is to incentivize automakers to bring production to the states. I don't think. I think if you said, hey, a tariff is going to come in five years, you have to start making these investments in the US that would be one thing and I think that would be a reasonable thing. If you're Trump and you want to be protectionist on the economy, which I think is a stance that he was elected on, saying that you're going to do it in five days is a little tough. The cars people don't understand. Does Trump not understand the cars are going to be radically more expensive for consumers? I mean, this is going to just.

[Filippo]

Destroy a lot of cars. A lot of cars are made in the U.S. to be fair, and in the future, maybe more cars will. But in the meantime, the RAV4, the best selling car in America, 25% more expensive.

[James Pumphrey]

It's going to be a 25% tariff. So we'll see if they actually make it 25% more expensive. Right.

[Filippo]

They'll pay the cost across a lot of things, see where they can eat.

[James Pumphrey]

Some of the costs, or maybe they'll just have to eat some of the cost until they think that this ends. Because you have to assume that this ends soon. There's no way they can continue running a 25% tariff on some of the most popular cars in America, which in some cases are built by American companies overseas. Overseas in Mexico or in Canada.

[Filippo]

Right.

[James Pumphrey]

Based on the agreement that had been put in place by the Trump administration, I will say so.

[Filippo]

As of two hours ago, before this announcement, the prevailing thought was also there were going to be large carve outs. It's always been said that April 2 would be the day that tariffs go into effect. It was legitimately. There were reports coming out as recently as this morning that there would be notable carve outs for some manufacturers, especially U.S. automakers. In this announcement, it was made very clear that there's not any interest in negotiating exceptions.

[James Pumphrey]

Crazy.

[Filippo]

Trump refer to them as permanent, which I will note.

[James Pumphrey]

But you know, it's interesting, the car industry, I consider the car industry to be, aside from the gun industry, to be probably the most conservative large industry in the United States and powerful. It's generally anti regulation, anti union. I mean they would claim they're not, but the car industry would prefer that they're not. It's, it's, it's, you know, it's a big business. It's, it's obviously, you know, it's, it's anti trial lawyer like giant, like the car industry is really obviously anti environmental regulation generally. I mean, generally speaking. Generally speaking, yeah. Again, they wouldn't say that, but they would prefer fewer regulations. Yeah. And a lot of conservatives, especially at dealerships voted for the president and they are going, they are some of the ones who are going to be hit the hardest from this. There's no question about that. And I wonder how that's going to go.

[Filippo]

It's just such a how if you're a manufacturer. We talked last week about how BMW was going to guarantee prices through April or BMW screwed.

[James Pumphrey]

Yeah.

[Filippo]

Although BMW builds a lot of cars, a lot of their best selling cars in the US they do lucky for them. And this does clarify for them that parts outside of the US don't seem.

[James Pumphrey]

To be the Tacoma screw.

[Filippo]

Tacoma is absolutely screwed. But like you, you've made. How do you as a manufacturer, I think you have to spread out the cost you bear across the rest of your lineup. So all cars. So a RAV4 doesn't cost more than a Highlander. I don't know where the Highlander is built, but you get the point.

[James Pumphrey]

Yeah, Kentucky.

[Filippo]

So you, you have to want that. That makes every car notably more expensive. Already the auto industry is not doing great in the US or in other markets. It's slowed down. Sales have slowed down. Factories are already, there's a lot of furlough that various factories. This isn't going to make that better.

[James Pumphrey]

No, it's going to make it worse. I think that in time there may be some more significant investment from automakers in the US because of this. But that's assuming the automakers assume that this continues. You have to assume the automakers think that once Trump's gone this all ends.

[Filippo]

There's or sooner than that because it's a trade war.

[James Pumphrey]

The hope is sooner than that if you're in the auto industry. I am curious about our friend Elon on his effect here. Elon notoriously builds cars in the US which are largely manufactured with US components. The Teslas are often considered to be some of the most American cars.

[Filippo]

Fremont, California.

[James Pumphrey]

You wonder if Elon's in Trump's ear saying let's just tear off all the imports. It helps him in a financial way and we know that he's there playing a fairly large role in government right now. I don't know if that's conspiratorial, but it seems like there might be some component of that little logical to me.

[Filippo]

I'm still processing this because like literally yesterday there was a large news story that we weren't going to include here that Honda was going to start buying hybrid components from Toyota because the hybrid components they use right now are made in Japan and Toyota manufactures hybrid components in. In whether. Whatever state. I don't remember Tennessee.

[James Pumphrey]

But you're saying now it doesn't matter.

[Filippo]

But now it doesn't matter. The prevailing thought about components yesterday was that it was about components. And, and now to not think about components as wild.

[James Pumphrey]

You were talking about a situation in which a car built in Mexico. I'm looking at the Chevy Blazer built, assembled in Mexico, but a third of the components come from the U.S. well you've just heard the component manufacturers. So even though technically, yeah, the factory's in Mexico, but what about all the Americans who build the components that go into the cars that now that car's demand is going to plummet. I can't believe there's demand at all for the Blazer. But that's a different story.

[Filippo]

Is that the Blazer review or the regular Blazer?

[James Pumphrey]

The regular Blazer.

[Filippo]

Oh, that's even worse.

[James Pumphrey]

You can get go through a lot.

[Filippo]

Of examples like the amount of change in a short period of time is also notable.

[James Pumphrey]

And by the way, this isn't just Canada, Mexico. So this is 25% on imports, which means that Euro. So that covers. I mean you want to talk cars that companies that are screwed. High end. Porsche's done. Every car is 25% more expensive. Toronto, they don't have a US built product that they can. Neither does Volvo really. Neither does all the supercars, Rolls Royce, et cetera. BMW barely builds anything in the States. It's just the SUVs. I guess that's a.

[Filippo]

That's all their cars sold here. Absolutely.

[James Pumphrey]

But yikes.

[Filippo]

Yeah, this is a stunning. I'll call it stunning. Move.

[James Pumphrey]

I don't think if he said it was five years out and it's going to phase in, I don't think it would be that insane.

[Filippo]

No, that would be pretty understood. It goes into effect in five days and it's 25% on anything built outside of the US after.

[James Pumphrey]

It's just. It's another example of using a mallet where you should be using a scalpel. I really think that there is some rationality to tariffs, especially when we're talking about reciprocal stuff, but this ain't it. And the stock market hates it and the car industry is going to hate it. And all of those people were massive supporters of the president.

[Filippo]

GM down 7.26%.

[Kenan]

And I think you said the threat of tariffs is usually more effective than the tariff itself. It's that plus, who are you threatening here?

[James Pumphrey]

You're threatening every country.

[Kenan]

Right? Right.

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[Kenan]

Right.

[James Pumphrey]

Well, Japan is.

[Filippo]

These, by the way, are on top of other ones. So if you're China, you were already at 50% tariff.

[James Pumphrey]

Well, China's China. Nobody's caring about China and cars. It's not really all that important.

[Filippo]

Wanted to know that. It's just quite something. I will say threat of tariffs if you want to move to the next news story and just transition.

[James Pumphrey]

Well, you know, this is an interesting thing to say. Hyundai. Hyundai announces that they're going to invest $20 billion in production facilities in the United States. Hyundai already builds, in fact, a lot of the cars in this picture, maybe including this one, are built in the United States. They have this giant plant in Georgia, Alabama, Alabama. Key is in one, and one of them Hyundai's in the other. I drove by.

[Filippo]

They're investing something like $21 billion. One of that is a new plant. They're going from two production facilities to three over the next time it takes to build a factory, which is five to 10 years. And they're also going to be building a steel plant so they can use that steel in their vehicles. And again, because when they announced that with the Trump administration, it was announced at the White House, the thought was that those components would matter.

[James Pumphrey]

The timing of that announcement was obviously intended to try to show this is happening. Like, hey, we're doing this. Can you maybe not be so punitive to us? But a lot of Kias and Hyundais are made overseas. And this $20 billion factory investment, you're talking about 10 years. Right. And I mean, it's not going to happen anytime soon.

[Kenan]

No, the landscape will be so different than. Anyway, so how, how do you, as.

[James Pumphrey]

An Automaker make investments. How do you. As a dealership, again, the dealership owners, some of the most conservative people, one of the most conservative groups I've ever met. Just as a chunk. How do they make investments in dealerships not knowing whether they will even have vehicles to sell at a price point where consumers are interested? They're going to be absolutely off the wall, angry, irate at the Trump administration for this.

[Kenan]

Excuse my ignorance on this, but is there any litigation that, like, people can do against a tariff?

[James Pumphrey]

I am curious. The president views his ability to create tariffs as like an executive order, but is that there's some question as to whether it's true? We'll see. You got to assume some Republicans are going to come out against this. There are Republicans in Washington who are car dealers, who are congresspeople. There's one from the Fort Worth area. There's several. And I have a suspicion that Republicans aren't gonna be able to stand up and just accept this like they have with so many Trump things. I think they're gonna have some. They're gonna have to be blowback.

[Filippo]

It's notable that it's gone to this point when the American auto lobby is quite powerful and the dealer lobby is quite powerful. The reaction from states where that pressure is especially felt will be really, really, really notable.

[James Pumphrey]

And there are manufacturing facilities that will lose because of this. There are manufacturing facilities trying to help people that are going to lose because they are manufacturing components and the car will no longer be in demand. Yikes.

[Filippo]

This is what happens when you spend 50 years creating a free trade area.

[James Pumphrey]

Yeah.

[Filippo]

And then overnight, over the course of five days, you take that fully away.

[James Pumphrey]

Yeah. I mean, the idea that BMW would manufacture in Mexico, that Audi and Volkswagen, hell, I mean, any of these cars. So many of these cars are imported. The Ford Maverick, which was one of the great success stories of the car industry over the last few years, one of the great products and affordability was its primary benefit. Built in Mexico, the Mach E. Elon's one of Elon's closest competitors. Built in Mexico. Tariff.

[Filippo]

As you can tell, we're still processing a little bit this news. It's not quite what I expected this announcement to be, and it just so.

[Kenan]

Dramatically hurts the exact people who specifically voted for Trump and, like, wanted it just. It's. It's a very. Tariffs are a bad idea, economically. They are.

[Filippo]

There's a lot of danger there.

[James Pumphrey]

I'm supportive of some of some of our presidents. And also, to be honest, one thing I do support with regards to this is the ability to stand up to a lobby and say we're going to do this. Screw you.

[Kenan]

I don't disagree with.

[James Pumphrey]

More people should do that and more people in all government and politics should do that. And I respect that. But I. Just because the lobby wants it doesn't necessarily mean that it's the wrong thing to do.

[Filippo]

Right. Just I'm watching. Which I should stop doing. I find that the market's reaction to this is interesting to me, especially because this announcement was made after the stock market closed for the day. Yeah, GM is fluctuating. Just solid lower, lower, lower, lower, lower.

[James Pumphrey]

And after trading on GM tomorrow, we're.

[Filippo]

Down 8% the Ford Maverick in the last hour.

[James Pumphrey]

The Ford Maverick is 26% US parts, but it's built in Mexico, so it's going to be tariff. So any of the stuff that's made.

[Filippo]

The Grand Caravan when it was still existed. America's minivan. Made in Ontario.

[James Pumphrey]

Made in Ontario, Canada.

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[James Pumphrey]

They're not building cars in California anymore. Sorry, I should have clarified.

[Filippo]

I didn't think it was necessary. The market reaction to this will be fascinating. Tesla, I will say is about flat in aftermarket trading after being down 100%.

[James Pumphrey]

Of the cars built in the US. This is for the US market. This is the yikes news story of the week. Got to assume this gets walked back. Maybe it won't. Trump does some crazy stuff. We'll see what happens. Permanent.

[Filippo]

We're his word.

[James Pumphrey]

So that's the car market. The stock market and car market will decline significantly. Say hello to a recession as far as I'm concerned. Yep, this is where that starts.

[Filippo]

Can I say one last thing before we move on? This is all based on where we are at on Wednesday the 26th at 3:30pm Pacific. By the time you listen to this on Friday morning, all bets are off. We would have recorded a very different podcast about two hours ago. So, you know, take that as you will.

[James Pumphrey]

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[Kenan]

Wearing denim the whole time.

[Filippo]

Denim ones.

[James Pumphrey]

However, Jay is advocating for a new bill in the California state senate which will exempt cars from smog that are 35 years old and older. Right now in California, it's a crazy situation. 1974 is the cutoff and so if your car is newer than 74, you have to get smoged, which means that in California right now, 50 year old automobiles have to get smog.

[Kenan]

It's just laughable.

[James Pumphrey]

It's laughable. It's absolutely ludicrous and insane. People drive 70s cars once a month, right, exactly.

[Kenan]

They go out and they go spewing.

[James Pumphrey]

Fuel into the environment the whole time.

[Kenan]

Space Marzano.

[James Pumphrey]

But it's ridiculous. It's the most restrictive, we call it smog here in California, emissions law in the country by far. And so Leno's advocating for this bill that would change it to 35 years, which right now would be what, 1990, more or less.

[Filippo]

Which was the intent by the way, originally, right?

[James Pumphrey]

Originally, original. Originally the law here in California was that it rolled, it was 30 years maybe, and you could get collector plates and then you were smog exempt. But Arnold Schwarzenegger signed into law a bill to change that and cut the year off at 74 and end it for good, which happened in 04, I guess, or 05, whenever he was governor. And that's why it stopped at that year. And the years have continued since then. And so the result of all this has always been here in California, that we all just drive. Everybody who has an older car that can't pass smog just drives it anyway with out of state license plates. And so you register it in Montana, so many guys do that. Or you register it in your brother in Arizona, your cousin in Nevada or Oregon or whatever, it and the cars are still on the road. They're still obviously polluting. And on the road you see them all the time at every cars and coffee. Half the cars have out of state license plates.

[Kenan]

When I'm behind a car I smell decal and go Montana.

[James Pumphrey]

Yeah. And so what ends up happening is the smog is still happening and California has lost all the tax revenue. And also there's nothing they can do about, for example, military, where the law has always been that you can register out of state. And so this would at least bring the tax revenue back to California. The cars are operated here anyway. And cars from this era, 1974 to 1998, 90, which would be exempted right away, are barely driven. I mean we're talking about collector cars. And the law specifically requires that cars that want to be abiding by the law must have collector car insurance. So they would only be mileage. Yeah, it seems like such an obvious common sense law. I wrote a letter to my state senator, a physical letter and an email, heard nothing back. Which is the state of Paul. I wrote, I voted for this person. This is the state of politics here in the United States.

[Kenan]

Representative of couldn't even have an AI generated thing respond to you.

[James Pumphrey]

It was just like, just respond with AI, tell me you liked what I said. Make me feel like, how many people does my state senator. I'm even talking about my US Congressperson where you, where you know you're never going to hear anything and they hate you. How many, how many people does my state Senator even represent? 20,100 thou? I don't know.

[Kenan]

I'll bet they get so few emails they keep their inbox clean. Right.

[James Pumphrey]

There's no way you're here. And they probably get nine emails a day, eight of which are from old ladies complaining about a four story apartment building going up in their neighborhood. Neighborhood. I'm telling you something real here.

[Kenan]

Right. It couldn't have just like somebody couldn't just have like an intern response. Right?

[James Pumphrey]

Give me an intern. But anyway, I wrote to my state senator and if you're in California, you should do the same. It would be lovely to have this pass here in California to get 35 years rolling back. I think it would change nothing in terms of smog.

[Filippo]

Literally nothing in the last 10 years. There's a bunch of places, especially in automotive rules for some for events, some for small groups like this where they some point decided, oh, it's no longer a rolling 35 year or 25 year. It's that date and time.

[James Pumphrey]

Are there other states that.

[Filippo]

No. But like you can Think about, like, events, like different collector car events like the Concorde, where it's like, it was. Have been rolling and then all of.

[James Pumphrey]

A sudden, no, this actually happened in Colorado. This would have been called. Older folks cannot wrap their heads around the idea that someone might consider a car from the 80s to be a collectible. They grew up in an era where. Where that was a car. And so the idea of exempting that from smog, it's not acceptable to them.

[Kenan]

I hate to tell you, time passes.

[James Pumphrey]

You're old, time has passes. Younger people do consider those to be collectible cars. And as always, old politicians have made laws that benefit old politicians, and younger people get screwed, which is kind of the story.

[Kenan]

But here's Jay Leno, kind of an.

[James Pumphrey]

Older fellow who's coming in and helping. Well, you know, he understands the benefit of exempting these cars because he knows, like, every rational thinker knows that there will be no impact on smog. This is another one of those things. California tries to do the right thing, and in most cases, they. In most cases, the smog laws, I think, have had enormous positive effect on this state and the cities that used to be covered in clouds of smog. But there are edge cases like this where you're depriving people of something they would enjoy and actually not benefiting the.

[Filippo]

State at all and actually harming the state from a tax perspective.

[James Pumphrey]

Yeah. I honestly wonder how much money the state has lost. Jay's downdraft ain't registered in California because.

[Filippo]

It can't be two places in one podcast where Doug and I are in agreement.

[Kenan]

He must have dealer tags. He just puts that on. I would think.

[James Pumphrey]

You would think, but he doesn't. He got his car's title. He told me. When I was up there, I was complaining to him because I was like, hey, man. Like, I got, like, at the time, I had like nine cars. I was like, a license plate renewal comes every month. And Jay said, you should see here. We get a license plate renewal every day.

[Filippo]

Wow.

[James Pumphrey]

Because he's got 200 bikes in addition to 100 cars. He literally has. He said that there's a smog place down the street that they go to every single day.

[Kenan]

They just have one person there who deals with Jay. They go to counter Jeff. That person deals with.

[James Pumphrey]

I asked her about dealer place in Montana. He was like, I can't do it. He's like, I'm too high profile doing that stuff, people. I can't. It makes sense.

[Kenan]

Well, Jay Leno, the patron saint of collector.

[James Pumphrey]

Let's hope that passes because it would be only beneficial to California and I think would have virtually no negative impact. And if it doesn't pass, everybody's just going to continue registering their cars in Montana and Arizona anyway. Yep. Okay, next news story please. We've only got a couple.

[Kenan]

Oh, yes. So Aston Martin has announced a new car. This is the Vanquish Volante. So the Vanquish has been out for a little bit. This is the third generation Vanquish and this is only the second generation. They've made it a convertible. The Vanquish 2 and now the Vanquish 3 are convertible.

[Filippo]

Wow, that's a good point.

[Kenan]

Now it keeps the same 5.2 liter turbocharged V12. It produces 824 horsepower and 738 foot.

[James Pumphrey]

Pounds of torque that Mercedes no Chrome makes 825 horsepower.

[Filippo]

That's impressive.

[James Pumphrey]

Think about that.

[Kenan]

It's a ton and it's rear wheel drive and has an eight speed automatic. So. But it allegedly currently this is the fastest production front engined car which is very specific and niche. I get that. Aston Martin wants to have something to market. Market that is what they can market is how beautiful.

[Filippo]

It's like when Bentley made the Continental Super Sport ISR because that car, the Ben Continental convertible won the Icelandic ice races.

[James Pumphrey]

The finish regular vanquish starts at 430.

[Kenan]

Now you have to mention this will be. I've read estimates this is going to be pushing half a mil.

[James Pumphrey]

So you figure this is forced before the tariffs. Then you add tariffs. This is a $600,000. You know how many they're going to sell in the United States?

[Kenan]

Let me do the euro.

[Filippo]

Sorry. Regular Vanquish. Is that expensive?

[Kenan]

They said they were going to. Yes, yes it is. At least they said they're going to keep production to under a thousand units a year. But I think they are going to be if they can best case they'll be producing at this price point.

[James Pumphrey]

We're only going to make a thousand a year. Well at 430 base and then we've seen how Aston does options. Every one of these that leaves the dealer is a 500 car. Every one of these is a 550 car. Yet tariffs is an 800 car. It's like those. It's like those zagatos they do.

[Kenan]

Did I want it is like those cigars.

[Filippo]

430. A 296 is a 350 car.

[James Pumphrey]

Yeah, but with options. But this is. This is on a different level.

[Filippo]

I know but like horsepower is it.

[James Pumphrey]

This is supposed to be an 812 competitor. But it's even more bespoken rare than that. That's the theory. The truth is that enthusiasts don't view Aston Martin that way. And so it's not really current.

[Filippo]

Tough placement.

[Kenan]

But it. Yeah, it tough placement, tough timing, tough price point.

[James Pumphrey]

Beautiful car.

[Kenan]

Goppingly beautiful. Which is the Aston Martin way.

[Filippo]

How do we feel about the rear?

[James Pumphrey]

Not as great as the front obsessed.

[Kenan]

But I think that the car is tremendously beautiful. And honestly this is the car I expect Aston Martin to be building. But it. It is. It's just.

[James Pumphrey]

It's did not love the second gen Vanquish first gen, one of the most beautiful parts of its era. Yes, 2nd gen was fine, but I never felt it looked different enough considering it was like the special flagship.

[Kenan]

The Vanquish one. One of the most beautiful cars of its era. One of the worst transmissions ever put in a car. Can you pull up Vanquish 2, one of the. I still think one of the most beautiful cars.

[James Pumphrey]

It was beautiful, but it looked like a modded DB9. Whereas this car has its own life. This car has live.

[Filippo]

We have a Vanquish live right now. If you add a you there.

[James Pumphrey]

We do have.

[Kenan]

You love to make fun of me. It's hard to type.

[James Pumphrey]

See the. This car. It looks good. That's second gen.

[Kenan]

But this is.

[James Pumphrey]

Go back one.

[Kenan]

Go back looking.

[James Pumphrey]

That's a DB11 with a body kit like that. Doesn't look that different. The new one. If. If I asked that re. If I asked that integrated truck dude, if I asked not you what car this is. If I covered the badges and asked Filipo what car this is, he said.

[Kenan]

It'S going to be like, okay, but that's asking. That's like asking me about any Toyota. I mean you could. You could pick your own.

[James Pumphrey]

Its own.

[Kenan]

I think they all have presence. I love the Vanquish line in general. Also think it's one of the greatest names ever put to a car. Vanquish.

[Filippo]

But 10 years will be worth $75,000.

[James Pumphrey]

Yep.

[Kenan]

Right. Because every Aston Martin, every enthusiast wants a used Aston Martin.

[James Pumphrey]

All right, give us our last exciting since we're high on time. Oh, a Porsche. Does anyone want to take credit for this boring news story?

[Filippo]

This is a 992.2 Turbo. It has been spied at touching it somewhere.

[James Pumphrey]

Well, anyway, that's it.

[Kenan]

Now it doesn't. I don't think this is really a do story because guess what? It looks exactly right.

[James Pumphrey]

992, which is what the people are.

[Kenan]

Like oh, it has no camo. Well, I could have drawn it.

[James Pumphrey]

I could have drawn it, done this991.

[Kenan]

Just picture the next one. That's what it looks like.

[Filippo]

It's a hybrid, apparently.

[James Pumphrey]

Of course it is.

[Kenan]

Yeah. And it's gonna make a ton of horsepower.

[James Pumphrey]

Seven billion. Listen, by the way, I'm taking away from this car, which I think is going to be amazing. But I'm not all that surprised by how it look because it looks exactly like.

[Kenan]

You know, one of the great consistencies in life is that, you know, the next 911 will look like the one before that and before that.

[James Pumphrey]

I remember when I.

[Filippo]

It looks.

[James Pumphrey]

When I worked at Porsche. The only way I can tell is if you look at the. When I worked at Porsche, I remember the991 was coming out and everybody in the company was like, what's it going to look like? What's it going to look like? And I always told them, a911, take the current one.

[Filippo]

There's actually a big.

[James Pumphrey]

Little longer, the little wider, little more powerful, the tail lights.

[Filippo]

That's what it's going to look like. No, no, that one looked different.

[James Pumphrey]

Okay, now it's time for the talk cars segment, wherein we talk about cars. This segment is sponsored by Filippo's jacket, which, of course has a pocket that does not match the rest of the jacket. Very nice. Very nice.

[Filippo]

Thank you. Style.

[James Pumphrey]

Yeah. Okay, first, I want to discuss. My old E63 wagon is for sale. I owned in the past two E63 wagons. This was one of them. I have zero fondness for this car. However, this car is important to mention because it was the very first car we ever sold on cars and baked. That's right.

[Kenan]

It was.

[James Pumphrey]

It was car number one sold on cars and bits. And I, I sold. This was. We. We. It was our guinea pig car that we sold because I figured if the site failed, hey, it was only my car, right? But it worked. And here we are, 26,000 auctions later, and this is auction number one. Now, I sold this to a guy in Maryland and he bought it and he shipped it to Maryland. He owned it for a period of years, and actually he sold it on the site again after he was in. There you go. After he was. After he had it in Maryland. There it is. And he sold it on the site and he drove it for a while, put some miles on it, and then it came back to California, where it was registered in the bay for a couple of years, and now it's for sale again at this dealership. Where it should be on cars and bids.

[Filippo]

It really should because this car is.

[James Pumphrey]

Like the most famous car. The dealer has no idea obviously that it's has any connection to me or anything like that. They don't care.

[Kenan]

But it's lore that they should know about.

[James Pumphrey]

It's lore they should know about.

[Filippo]

In the last year it's had basically no miles. If it has 109,000 miles now, he sold it with 108,500.

[James Pumphrey]

Well, you know, people buy things and then they don't really. This car is actually very unusual because the E63 wagon in this generation was offered with a 19 inch wheel or an 18 inch wheel. They're the same wheel design and the only. And. And virtually no one got the smaller wheel. But I bought this car in Minnesota and they had gotten the smaller wheel so they could fit snow tires to it. Not, not that it has snow tires now, but they did do that in the winter. And so this is one of the rare ones with the smaller wheels that rides better. Notably.

[Filippo]

Great riding car.

[James Pumphrey]

Hated that comfortable ride. I drove this car across the country when I moved to California back in 18. We loaded it up and like, like the old story.

[Filippo]

Drove as I had too have done an S2 in an S212.

[Kenan]

Yeah, I remember I was emailing with you that weekend because I was trying to get you to come review a LaFerrari at the exotic car dealership I worked at.

[James Pumphrey]

Should have done it. Yeah.

[Kenan]

And you're like, nope, I'm going to San Diego.

[James Pumphrey]

Those photos are so good too. Robert Grubbs photos and OG Those were back in the day. Little known story about this car. When we launched the site the week before we were going to launch the site, the car developed some sort of liquid leak into the interior. Remember this?

[Filippo]

No, I didn't know this about.

[James Pumphrey]

I remember you didn't know this story.

[Filippo]

Oh, okay.

[James Pumphrey]

Water starts leaking into the interior the week before we're gonna launch the site. And we're incredibly busy. I mean, we're trying to launch the site. I'm still filming all the videos. So no, it's not in the flaws because.

[Kenan]

Well, I thought it was under recent service history.

[James Pumphrey]

But I took the car to the dealer and I said, look, this thing's leaking water, you gotta fix it. I have no time for anything else. Like just fix it and call me. And they called and they said, hey, it is leaking. It's from a windshield. A replacement windshield was installed at some point and it wasn't sealed properly and water's coming in oh, and by the way, it's gonna be four grand. And I said well wait a minute, this is a certified prion car. And they said yeah, well the windshield wasn't part of that. And I said well the wind I had. They found the receipt for the windshield. It was done at a Mercedes Benz dealership. So the certified pre owned car with a Mercedes Benz warranty, the windshield replacement at a Mercedes Benz dealership, they still refuse to honor it. And I railed against Mercedes Benz CPO and now I have another Mercedes CPO car now. So they.

[Kenan]

You showed them?

[James Pumphrey]

I really showed.

[Kenan]

Got him.

[James Pumphrey]

They got me.

[Kenan]

Ridiculous.

[James Pumphrey]

I do think Mercedes CPO warranty is pretty much worthless. Okay.

[Filippo]

If you're the seller of that car.

[James Pumphrey]

Maybe consider listing are they asking some amount of money?

[Filippo]

That is ambitious.

[James Pumphrey]

110,000 maybe that's why they don't want to sell it on the side.

[Filippo]

They know, they know what the market.

[James Pumphrey]

Didn'T we sell it for 28 like a year ago?

[Filippo]

Which is, which is honestly a good result.

[James Pumphrey]

It's got 110,000 miles and honestly really, the facelift 212s which are the more desirable ones are starting to come down.

[Filippo]

They're in the 30s now and so.

[James Pumphrey]

They'Re putting pressure on these. The only benefit these had is that they were rear wheel drive and the facelifts were all wheel drive. But there's probably some people who prefer the four wheel drive. Before we move on, let me tell you about Quints. Spring is here, which means my travel itch is back. Traveling comfortably can be the difference between having a good vacation or a bad one. And I'm preparing for my next trip with a first class quality suitcase and an economy price tag from Quince. This year I'm treating myself to the luxury upgrades I've been searching for with Quince's high quality travel essentials at fair prices. Some examples include lightweight shirts and shorts from $30 pants for any occasion and comfortable lounge sets. Plus Quint's has premium luggage options and durable duffel bags to carry it all. The best part, all Quint's Items are priced 50 to 80% less than similar brands. By partnering directly with top factories, Quints cuts out the cost of the middleman and passes the savings directly on to us. And Quince only works with factories that offer a safe, ethical, responsible manufacturing practice and premium fabrics and finishes, which is great. I'll be packing away my Quince sweaters for next winter and I really can't wait for my carry on bag to arrive for my trips this year. The colors available are unique and special and bag is absolutely perfect for a comfortable travel experience. For your next trip, treat yourself to the luxe upgrades you deserve from Quince. Go to Quince.com Doug for 365 day returns plus free shipping on your order. That's Q-U-I-N-C-E.com Doug to get free shipping and 365 day returns. Quince.com Doug Filippo, tell us of your GTI problems.

[Filippo]

So I have a marquee GTI that I bought on the site. I've driven it 5,000 miles since.

[James Pumphrey]

Wow, that was only a couple months ago.

[Filippo]

I know. We've been driving a lot.

[Kenan]

Well, he drove to Seattle. I mean.

[Filippo]

Yeah, we should just post the videos now. After three months. Two months.

[Kenan]

You can watch that video on Cars and Vince.

[James Pumphrey]

He posted the video on the Cars and Vince channel today. So. So he's only had it for two days. He's driven at 5,000 miles.

[Kenan]

Pretty impressive, no?

[Filippo]

We bought the car in January. We did just post a video on the Cars and Bits channel, which I think is pretty good. We vlogged our way home, which is not something that I do.

[James Pumphrey]

Does your spouse appear in the video?

[Filippo]

No, she was incredibly careful.

[Kenan]

She very much does not. It's really impressive.

[James Pumphrey]

Okay, so what's. You got some problems? Yeah.

[Filippo]

You know, sometimes you go to start the car up and the car starts, the engine starts and nothing else does. So the infotainment, which is also how you control not just the radio but also the heat and AC and the rear view camera and all of the like safety sensors just don't work.

[James Pumphrey]

So this is an infotainment only problem? I think so like the screen, the.

[Filippo]

Gauge, the gauge cluster works. The screen doesn't turn on at all. And then you get a bunch of errors that say like these different systems aren't fun.

[James Pumphrey]

Now I want to be clear about this. People are going to be, oh, you bought it on cars and bids. They only sell lemons there.

[Filippo]

No, no, no.

[James Pumphrey]

It's like a year old. Still under warranty.

[Filippo]

Yeah. And I, I took a look at what like safety bulletins there are what recalls there are and there are a few that are infotainment related. So I'm going to bring it to the dealer and like get those taken care of. But the solution, Most recent time I was in a meeting, my wife called me. She was leaving to go to drive to LA for a work thing. She said I this is a thing. What's the strategy to fix this? And there is a way where you hold down the start stop button for 10 seconds and recycle. That wasn't working for some reason.

[James Pumphrey]

Oh, good.

[Filippo]

And so I, I, while meeting with our producer, Sean, actually just went out, disconnected the battery, reconnected the battery, and.

[James Pumphrey]

We'Re good on a. On a new car. I mean, this car just.

[Kenan]

I mean, like, that's what I would do on like an E36. The gauge cluster is like freaking out. Power cycle it. You're good.

[James Pumphrey]

Some strategies are timeless. But yikes.

[Kenan]

You had to do this immediately. In the video.

[Filippo]

In the video, that was. That was a smaller issue where just the radio wasn't working.

[Kenan]

I. You also mentioned the. At least isn't the system like, famously not to use anyway, so now it's not good and doesn't work.

[Filippo]

I actually don't mind using it. I find it.

[James Pumphrey]

When you go on the forums, yeah.

[Filippo]

There'S a lot of complaints.

[James Pumphrey]

There's a lot of people who have these issues.

[Filippo]

That issue specifically is a little rarer. But issues in general.

[James Pumphrey]

Yes. Really? Like reliability issues?

[Filippo]

No, not serious reliability issues, but.

[James Pumphrey]

But, but issues like they can't figure.

[Filippo]

Out how infotainment related issues.

[James Pumphrey]

Infotainment related issues.

[Filippo]

Some of them are not figuring out how works. I had an issue last week where the fuel gauge just showed zero. I filled it up. It showed normal things. I went to fill it up. I filled it up all the way and it showed 0 miles remaining.

[Kenan]

Get your battery.

[Filippo]

It actually showed 20 miles remaining and then slowly went down to zero. And then it fixed itself.

[James Pumphrey]

This is some Volkswagen quality. How many miles are on this car?

[Filippo]

17,000 now.

[James Pumphrey]

17,000 on a year and a half old car you bought with 12,000 miles?

[Filippo]

Look, they're all infotainment issues. I do suspect that some of those, like some of the recalls and tsps will address it. We'll find out. I got to bring it to a dealer. I haven't yet.

[James Pumphrey]

If it is all electronics, then that's what it is. I mean, my Defender. I didn't have any issues with my Defender infotainment, but I'll never forget going to the dealer. They were like, how's the infotainment? I was like, it's been fine. They're like, really? Yeah. Like, truly. They were like, are you sure? So that's a little bit of a. Are you concerned about Volkswagen production quality at this point?

[Filippo]

You know, now, do you wish you.

[James Pumphrey]

Had bought an Integra? No, no.

[Filippo]

I'm actually thrilled car. The car is so good.

[James Pumphrey]

I wish you had bought an Integr.

[Filippo]

The car is so good. It's such a competent car. We've driven it 5,000 miles in 32 months. It's a usable car for long trips.

[James Pumphrey]

It's usable as long as you don't need the heat, the climate control to.

[Kenan]

Triple 2700 miles of that. Everything worked. The other ones, it was a roll of the dice.

[Filippo]

It has been totally fine except for that issue and that other issue.

[James Pumphrey]

How often does this happen? Happening?

[Filippo]

Oh, it's. It's happened a total of once on the way down and then once last week.

[Kenan]

Well that's like me saying the. My M5 is reliable except for every component I've replaced.

[James Pumphrey]

So it's only happened twice. Once on the way down, then once with your wife the other day. Plus the fuel gauge thing which happened how many times?

[Filippo]

Once. Okay, well then it kept showing zero for till I refilled it a few times.

[James Pumphrey]

On the subject of Volkswagen not equality, I once had an A4 that was self healing. Yeah, I'm gonna. This is an actual story that happened. I'm driving through Kansas, all right, and the fuel gauge starts to just. No, the speedometer, the speedometer starts to just stop. And about three minutes after it started to not show the right speed, it was showing zero. And at the time I was driving through southern Kansas there was no Audi dealer in Wichita. And so I called the Volkswagen dealer and they're like, I guess bring it in, you know, I don't know. And then after about 20 minutes, slowly the speedometer started to creep back up and it never was a problem again. I owned the car for two more years.

[Kenan]

It just needed, needed a nap. And then they went back to a little right.

[James Pumphrey]

It's good to see though that was an 01. It's good to see. Not much I do.

[Filippo]

This car was widely panned for its infotainment system and it now there's another reason of that which is also infotainment related. It'll. They'll be fine.

[James Pumphrey]

When I was at Porsche I had a Jetta company car and you know what I did? They were they I found online someone was selling check engine light bumper stickers as like a decal you could put on your car. And I did. I was like, you know what? It's such a Volkswagen Audi thing and maybe you should go down that path as well.

[Filippo]

I love the car car though I'm legitimately hopeful that some of the TSPs fix it.

[James Pumphrey]

I'm anxious for you. If this is the beginning, maybe he.

[Kenan]

Should go down that path. But one Way to note, I think the car is already headed down at it's on its own, so we'll certainly see. I'm hopeful it's more reliable for you though.

[Filippo]

It will be.

[James Pumphrey]

We'll find out our next talk cars segment. I want to cover the Lexus LX700h. We talked about the Lexus LX700h last week. It's the finest car on sale. Never sold one. They're not on sale.

[Filippo]

This is all I've been hearing about for about a week and a half. Every other text message that I get from Doug is just 700h overtrail. No other words.

[James Pumphrey]

700H over trail, Lexus 7 now. I don't have anything new to add.

[Kenan]

Last week I said you just wanted to mention it.

[James Pumphrey]

Last week I said I wish that I had gotten this instead of my Sequoia. It wasn't out when I bought my Squ. I want to make that clear.

[Filippo]

The 600 was the 6.

[James Pumphrey]

I don't want a 600. I only want a 700H over trail. I don't have anything new to say. I still wish I had bought it instead of my Sequoia. They've now taken it back. The press car 700H, they took that press car's work usually. Okay, here's the press cars come to my house for a On the sixth day of the week the press car company emails me and says hey, we're going to take the car back. Usually I say, yeah, no problem. This time I was like tearing up. How can I get the last few miles out of my 708? This is how the other car journalists feel the press, right? And the worst part of it was, and this was the real slap in the face, you know what they replaced it with a Hyundai Ioniq 5 XRT.

[Filippo]

Oh, it's the over trail of the Ioniq 5. It's the same thing.

[James Pumphrey]

Needless to say, the experience isn't quite as good. Good. Although my wife's driving the Ionic 5 right now and she texted me yesterday and she says the, the turn signal stock feels so good. I said, what? She said, it feels so good. I'm like, what the hell are you doing?

[Kenan]

That's not the observation I would expect.

[James Pumphrey]

From her, to be honest, or anybody.

[Filippo]

No, I think that every time I drive a car the first thing I think I do is, is the. Does the stock feel nice?

[James Pumphrey]

She previously was in the SQ6 press car that we had and she said that she loved it, which I did too actually. Unfortunately, we're the only two people who love it currently gets 20% off. Okay, so you want.

[Kenan]

So you want one of these, but you're off cars.

[James Pumphrey]

So I'm off cars. I can't buy it. I already made this packed with. With God and everybody that I can't buy any more cars.

[Kenan]

You're going to buy a car at some point.

[James Pumphrey]

I want one of these so bad. Look how expensive they are. Go back to that. You see those sticker prices? This is ridiculous.

[Kenan]

That is wild.

[James Pumphrey]

This, though, is interesting, right? This is a 25600. That's new with a 116 sticker. And they're advertising it seven grand off.

[Kenan]

Interesting.

[James Pumphrey]

So that says that maybe if I just wait and if you figure if they're advertising seven grand off, you probably get a little more in there.

[Kenan]

Yeah.

[James Pumphrey]

So if I wait just a little bit, maybe I can walk in and get this thing at a lower price.

[Kenan]

A test of your patience is something you're so good at.

[James Pumphrey]

Typically, if I want something, I like to just buy.

[Kenan]

Yep.

[James Pumphrey]

We gotta deal with it.

[Filippo]

How much longer do we have to.

[James Pumphrey]

Deal with until I get one? It's gonna. And I think it'll be two or three years. I give it three years.

[Kenan]

I give it. I'm going to put it on the calendar, but I give it like three weeks and four days until he stops talking.

[James Pumphrey]

You say that, but I got in a Sequoia thinking, I'm going to get in the Sequoia and everything's. I'm going to feel fine about it, everything's going back to normal. And I didn't. I was like, damn this.

[Filippo]

When you drove the Infiniti QX80 and the Nissan Armada, which are the new Nissan full size SUVs, you were like, this is better than the Sequoia.

[James Pumphrey]

Yeah.

[Filippo]

But you didn't want one. No, you just like, this is objectively a better fit for me.

[James Pumphrey]

But the Sequoia still has King benefit over the. Those cars are better. The Armada. I drove the Armada Pro 4X, which is better than the Sequoia in a lot of ways. Like legit. Yeah. The Sequoia still has King benefit, though, which is resale.

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[James Pumphrey]

Ultimately, an armada. The Sequoia TRD Pro is still going to be worth 50% of its value in eight years. An Armada Pro 4X is going to be worth whatever you can find somebody at the propane refueling station to give you for. Hey, man, I got an Armada for you. You want an Armada? That's how it's going to be. Okay, Kenan, tell us about the Audi R8.

[Kenan]

Yes. So currently we have an Audi R8, a first gen V8 R8.8 in the office. It'll be live on cars and bids very soon. You're doing a video with it. Lovely red V8, six speed manual transmission. I. Everybody who's come into the office has said the same thing.

[James Pumphrey]

Wow.

[Kenan]

Do you think he, he went and sat in it. He was.

[Filippo]

I've wanted an R8 for the last two weeks.

[James Pumphrey]

Do you think the reason for this could be that the other cars in the office are a Toyota Prius?

[Kenan]

No, no, no, no. A Nissan juke, a Carrera GT.

[Filippo]

And.

[James Pumphrey]

And this makes the. This makes the R8 seem especially cool. A bad color G wax. And, and so people sit.

[Kenan]

No, no, no, no, no. All of the. There are some enthusiastic cars in here right now. There's an Evo 4. Some.

[James Pumphrey]

Some pull up the R8. Pull up a first gen R8. This isn't the one we're talking about.

[Filippo]

I love the R8 though.

[Kenan]

But here's the thing.

[James Pumphrey]

Something clicked that it just.

[Filippo]

It does everything.

[Kenan]

It just does everything. That's a V10, but.

[Filippo]

That's a V10 but we'll accept it.

[Kenan]

Same color. But it just. I'm. I drove my friend Steven's recently when I was in at Amelia island. Also a six speed V8 coupe.

[Filippo]

Yellow.

[Kenan]

Yeah, his is yellow. Speed yellow nonetheless. And it was, it was magnificent. Like I really en. It's just like it feels so solid and well put together but it feels exotic with the right exhaust setup and it just like. And that gated shifter and like.

[James Pumphrey]

Yeah.

[Kenan]

And then I look at the values of those cars and it's like, it's just as.

[James Pumphrey]

We just sold one today for 55.

[Filippo]

Yeah. I mean that one had been tracked and had some mods but never.

[James Pumphrey]

I mean fine, like stocky car. They're pretty drivable cars. Yeah. Put it on stockies. Untint the tails.

[Kenan]

Put the Audi logo back on the front.

[Filippo]

Even nice, nicer ones mean. Meaning like stop. What we would prefer that 12,000mile1r m or failed to sell at 90sub $90,000. They're in the 60s with like reasonable miles. Yeah.

[James Pumphrey]

Dislocated. Yeah, yeah. Nice interior too. Damn.

[Kenan]

Yeah.

[Filippo]

And like how is that not just such a.

[Kenan]

This one. This was like one of the nicest ones.

[James Pumphrey]

It is a bargain. And I'll tell you the thing that makes this car cool. It has all the benefits of a 911 which is that it's practical, usable, relatively rational. The Interior side, the tech. Like, it's a pretty. But it's an exotic car. Like, a 911 is not all that special to be like. I love a 911. It's a cool car, but it's. They're everywhere. R8 is still an event when you see an R8. When you drive an R8, it is an event, but it has. All the other exotic cars require a lot of compromises, and this is the only one that does.

[Kenan]

Well, I have to say. Like, you know, our friends Sam and Nick both had them for a pretty long period of time. And even just taking that car off of the truck, people do still lose their mind. And they still. They know what it is. They know it's an R8, I suspect, because of Iron man and all that. That stuff. But people also like it. It's not like, kind of a. There's no. Like.

[Filippo]

There's no negative signal here.

[Kenan]

Exactly.

[James Pumphrey]

In a way that the 911 isn't. And honestly, I think especially the early ones, there actually is a lot of crossover than 911. The performance is similar. The practicality is similar. 911 actually has more seats, but in spirit. Yeah, but the R8 just has this, like, special factor that you will never get with a 911. And it. It. And it sits more interesting.

[Filippo]

About the same price as an S. As a 997.2 S is too. I mean, close. And they're the same five or ten grand. Yeah.

[James Pumphrey]

Because it was.09 to, like, 12.

[Kenan]

Part of me wonders if I didn't make a mistake that I should have gotten one of these before the 355. And I bet you I probably would still have the R8. Like, I. So part of me wonders if I should course correct and get.

[James Pumphrey]

But. But you wouldn't have. You. You would. It would have been a compromise at that time. Now that you've owned the 355 and understood the drawbacks of that, maybe going to a more rational, exotic car is a thing that makes sense.

[Kenan]

Maybe. Maybe I just can't get over their values. And, like, I hate to fall in line with the rest of our friend group and get. Everybody else has.

[James Pumphrey]

But, like, they hold value. They're reliable.

[Kenan]

They're fun to drive.

[James Pumphrey]

They're fun to drive.

[Kenan]

The AC compressor is, like, one of my big, major, like, service concerns. It's great because you have to take the engine out, and it's 10 grand to do it.

[James Pumphrey]

But, you know, 997s have issues who need.

[Kenan]

Yeah, that's Right, Bor. Scoring on the early ones.

[James Pumphrey]

Let's talk about pinning coolant lines. Filippo's over here doing all this research, and then he ends up with a GTA that also.

[Filippo]

I. I have a.

[Kenan]

Want a GT3. Got a GTI?

[Filippo]

I have. I've never had an interest on GT3.

[James Pumphrey]

I know you.

[Filippo]

I have a theory that every car enthusiast eventually, for a period of time, becomes an Audi. Volkswagen person. Oh, no, never. You had an Audi.

[Kenan]

I think most car enthusiasts, as our friend Nick said, kind of end up becoming Porsche people.

[Filippo]

They do eventually. But like, a GTI is such a great.

[James Pumphrey]

But getting a car.

[Filippo]

I know, but like, eventually, you think about it.

[Kenan]

Well, I don't know. An E39 and an Audi R8. Not too bad. Someone did. Someone very kindly reached out to me selling their Cayenne gts and I wanted to know if I was still in the market. Market. But somebody else had commented a long time ago that, like, I should be looking at sports cars while I'm single and relatively young still. And, like, one of my great reasons.

[James Pumphrey]

Is that during that period of my life, I drove station wagons. I had a CTS V wagon. I had a 2E63 wagons. I had no children. What was I thinking? Now I have all these kids.

[Filippo]

You are who you are.

[James Pumphrey]

And I. I can't drive these cars ever. Except to the office to flex on Felipe. Right?

[Kenan]

Except to the office almost every day.

[James Pumphrey]

Yeah, I have that one saving grace, but that's it.

[Filippo]

Flex. You do.

[James Pumphrey]

I do flex on Filippo. He's. He's got his little Fiat parked outside. And you know why he drove it today? Because he started the GTI foot table.

[Kenan]

Wouldn'T turn on or he was on full blast the time he didn't want it, but it was on.

[James Pumphrey]

Yeah, he was going. The heated seats were going.

[Kenan]

Life's lottery. Be lucky.

[James Pumphrey]

I want to take a moment to tell you about another podcast you should absolutely check out, Drive with Jim Farley. Ford CEO Jim Farley talks to some of his favorite people about what they drive and what drives them to succeed. He has great guests on the show, like the British racing driver Vicki Butler Henderson and one of my favorite people, Jay Leno. I've checked out a few episodes of Drive with Jim Farley, and I really love to hear his insights. There was a time when we only got to hear from automotive CEOs and press quotes and carefully worded corporate statements. But Jim Farley's podcast is personal and it really shows his passion for cars, which is really cool. And this is a Podcast I'm certainly going to keep in my listening routine. Click the link in the description box to listen to Drive with Jim Farley today. Okay, next story.

[Kenan]

Yes. So one of our close friends, Adrian, who's a wonderful photographer here in San Diego, he's done a lot of pictures for us. He did our adventure series, but he also did our track day. He put out a collection of his work, a book that he happened to get. He gave a copy to me. This is your copy that I'm borrowing. But my car is the car he chose from the COVID Look at that. It's called Meant to Be Driven. And he actually asked me to write the Ford as well, which I did. Which there's one line, one brief line I'd like to read from it where I said, said that for me, it says, life is short, whatever joyous memories you can make and along the way makes it all worthwhile for me. Many of those are with my friends from behind the wheel of a cool car. And that's why I drive. And so that's so cool. So it's really cool. But it's a great collection of wonderful photos he's taken all around. And you can go and check it out on his Instagram account, which is/ment2,_b,_driven. And you can go to his website where you can actually buy this book. Book. It's beautiful. I love all the pictures that he has in it.

[Filippo]

Truly stunning.

[Kenan]

Our cars feature in it quite a bit.

[James Pumphrey]

Is a very talented photographer, and there are some very cool photos in here. And I highly recommend checking out his Instagram and the book, which is really.

[Kenan]

Some special stuff, especially if you like the E3905 Felipe.

[Filippo]

The Corvette is in it. Yeah. Thanks, Adrian.

[James Pumphrey]

Thanks, Adrian.

[Kenan]

Appreciate it.

[James Pumphrey]

Look at these photos.

[Kenan]

But it's really lovely. He told me I need to sit down with a glass of wine and really leaf through it, which I'm very excited to do. But thank you, Adrian, for putting this together. You're a wonderful photographer. We love having it around. This one's yours.

[James Pumphrey]

Yes. I love it. I love having it. I love. Adrian's a fantastic photographer. It's very cool to see your cars in print like this, so I'm happy that we have the book. Okay, next up is the Market Report, where we talk car market. It's brought to you by Cars and Bids, which is a car website where you can bid and sell.

[Kenan]

I've heard of it.

[James Pumphrey]

And buy and comment and follow sellers. Okay, Filippo, take us to begin Our market report for us.

[Filippo]

Yeah. Yesterday or Tuesday we sold a GMC Sierra 1500 SLE.

[James Pumphrey]

Yes we did.

[Filippo]

And here's what's interesting about it. This is a weird truck.

[James Pumphrey]

Yep.

[Filippo]

It's a short cab, short bed, V8 powered Sierra.

[James Pumphrey]

It's a full size, full size truck.

[Filippo]

But it's like the smallest of those. They put a super truck charger on.

[James Pumphrey]

It and it's got a blower and.

[Filippo]

It has 830 miles.

[James Pumphrey]

And even though it's an 18, it only had 900 miles.

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[James Pumphrey]

And so it was like new.

[Filippo]

What's notable is that it sold for about MSRP. MSRP was something like 43 and it brought just about that. And obviously they put a little bit of money in it into it for the supercharger. But like it shows that there's still demand for these weird trucks. A regular 2018 GMC Sierra even with 900 miles is not worth much because it's, it's. You just buy the newer one. Like the newer one always gets a little bit better. But when there's weird things about it. Right. When there's something that's unusual, you're not going to find a short cab. Short bed.

[James Pumphrey]

Can you still even get a shorty? Shorty?

[Filippo]

Absolutely no idea.

[James Pumphrey]

Yeah, I mean they're very uncommon. Nobody buys them when we buy Mexico car. I made it popular in Mexico. The Mexicans like the, the full size truck but that short box, short cab however it's very uncommon here. And then this one was, was, this one was low mileage. One owner with the blow MSRP was 40, MSRP was 43. That's pretty cool.

[Filippo]

There's still demand for weird ones this.

[James Pumphrey]

Yeah. For unusual you get an unusual vehicle that like is hard to find and yet has a little bit of demand. You only need a few people who want it.

[Filippo]

It's cool.

[James Pumphrey]

It's cool.

[Kenan]

So I would say, some would say that's the beauty of an auction.

[James Pumphrey]

All it takes is two little black GMC truck with a, with a forced induction. Gives me some Typhoon vibes. Obviously it's not a small truck.

[Filippo]

No. But it is the oldest version of Sierra. And can you find one now? Certainly not on a dealer lot. Maybe you can special order but who knows. And the market rewarded that.

[James Pumphrey]

I also like big wheels chrome because a lot of the short shorts are base models. They got steelies and rubber and everything. And this does have cloth seats and a, and a fold down but that's also kind of.

[Filippo]

And it wasn't. The wheels were aftermarket but GGM wheels. None.

[James Pumphrey]

But they're GM wheels so they were aftermarket but they were, they were up wheels. That's perfect. That's what I would if I wanted a shorty truck like this. What I would have done. It's also a two wheel drive which has some appeal in this.

[Filippo]

In the shorty blown V8.

[James Pumphrey]

Yeah, that is a pretty cool truck. You do not see them often. I'm thrilled that we took that on the site. I'm really glad we did.

[Filippo]

And it sold for above msrp, which is surprising.

[James Pumphrey]

I was happy to see the number on it. Kenan, give us your market report which is even more exciting.

[Kenan]

It is so recently we had that Ferrari 38 that I talked about on the site. That 1900 miles classic case certification. Excellent. And this car. So it was bid to $110,000 but our post sale team Alexis in particular put it together after the sale and it sold for $140,000. Now I know that that is a lot for 308 in particular. It's the most that a GTSI has ever sold for anywhere, at least in the last five years. And it's like the eighth best result in like in the last three years. And that's for a gts. So that's against the, that's against the carbureted cars. That's against the QVS that came later. The Vetro Rosinas were couple only.

[James Pumphrey]

Yeah.

[Kenan]

And so this is an incredibly strong, strong resort result and I'm really proud.

[James Pumphrey]

And if there was going to be a car you drove this car. If there was gonna be a 308 that got to this number, it was.

[Kenan]

This was without question it was super nice. It was again like this picture of the interior, like oh, I know been in a lot of things.

[James Pumphrey]

I think about it a lot.

[Kenan]

And that, that is as mint as it comes.

[James Pumphrey]

As mint as it comes. Literally insanely amazing. 140 was the number.

[Kenan]

140. Yeah. I was very, I was very proud to have like gone to see this car, make a video on it and all those things. But really, really, really thrilled with the results of the team and the site. And this is the kind of car that. This is the kind of car we sell. This is a unique car. You're not going to find another one like this. It is a really special collector a car and I'm, I just feel very privileged to be house. I, I just celebrated five years of working for cars and bids.

[Filippo]

That's so true.

[Kenan]

And when we, when we launched the site like this was the kind of car I dreamt of having. And now we have them.

[James Pumphrey]

Right? And it was kind of a dream. And even be able to put the sale together is pretty impressive. I was really happy with it. I was happy that we had it. I was happy with the result.

[Kenan]

And this. The seller was very kind. He told me that he owed our team a debt of gratitude and that we have a customer for life, which is the way.

[James Pumphrey]

Speaking of this car, type in Ferrari to the search bar. Are you aware that last week we had five Ferraris?

[Kenan]

Yeah, there were quite a few last week.

[James Pumphrey]

Five Ferraris last week. I think this is before. Yeah, five Ferraris last week. And. And you know what? Also it represented a wide swath of the Ferrari wall. Classy. K certified vintage car. Modded 48 on wheel, dated 550. Flood title 355. Station, family station. This is like everything that is a smatter short of an F50. This has got it all. It's so all in one week. And, you know, I was. I was thinking about this because there was a time when getting one Ferrari on the site, we would absolutely freak out and be like, oh, my God, we got a Ferrari.

[Kenan]

Do you remember what our first Ferrari was? Do you remember?

[Filippo]

I know. We had our 355, right?

[Kenan]

It was exactly. It was a 355 bar in Florida. It was a red, which, in retrospect, I should have bought for seven.

[James Pumphrey]

How many miles?

[Kenan]

It had a lot of 34,000.

[James Pumphrey]

And it had just had an engine out.

[Kenan]

Yeah, I should have.

[James Pumphrey]

That car's doubled.

[Kenan]

Yeah. Oh, yeah. Easily.

[Filippo]

I remember this car distinctly.

[Kenan]

Yeah, me too.

[James Pumphrey]

It was a big deal.

[Kenan]

Yeah, it really was. But I. I'm thrilled to have so many Ferraris on this. Not only because it's my favorite brand, but, like, I just.

[James Pumphrey]

So. So 612 is our 200th Ferrari auction.

[Filippo]

Wow.

[Kenan]

How cool it is.

[James Pumphrey]

It is pretty amazing how far it's come from the early days.

[Kenan]

It is indeed. So more prancing ponies. That's what we want to see.

[James Pumphrey]

Selling special cars and also selling Lexus LS's. I want to talk about this part of the market report. This is such a crazy thing to me. Fl pointed this out to me yesterday, and I've kind of gone on a deeper dive of it. Yesterday we sold. Keep going. A new body. This is an LS 500. They call it a 500. It's a turbo V6.

[Filippo]

Yep.

[James Pumphrey]

For $42,000. I have been aware for a long time that Lexus LS's depreciate like that. LS 460 over there is also a pretty modern car and it sold for 16 grand. That's a bargain. Y But the thing that makes this particularly exciting is that this is a new car. Like this is what day and I. They're probably 100 grand, right? They're probably 80 grand at least. What is a new LS500 base at? I mean then this is a. This is a pretty nice, pretty well equipped one. I mean this 95 sticker. 95 sticker. This is 42. 5 this car sold for. And if you brought this home, no one would know that it's not new. The LS 460 we just showed before at 16.5, that's a used car at this point. No, everybody knows that it's still a great bargain because It's a reliable V8 powered, you know, going to last forever because it's a Lexus. That's a great car. Yeah, but this, this thing. Ryan Reynolds here from Mint Mobile with a message for everyone paying big wireless way too much. Please, for the love of everything good in this world, stop with Mint. You can get premium wireless for just $15 a month. Of course, if you enjoy overpaying. No judgments. But that's weird. Okay, one judgment anyway. Give it a [e-mail] Switch upfront payment of $45 for 3 month plan equivalent to $15 per month required intro rate first 3 months only, then full price plan options available, taxes and fees extra. See full terms at Mint Mobile. This episode is brought to you by Universal Pictures.

[Kenan]

Today's the day from Universal Pictures and Blumhouse. Come a storm of terror from the.

[James Pumphrey]

Director of the Shallows. The woman in the yard.

[Kenan]

Don't let her in. Where does she come from? What does she want?

[Filippo]

When will she leave?

[Kenan]

The Woman in the Yard in theaters now. Yeah, it does look new.

[James Pumphrey]

42 things are gonna be in the 30s in an. In. In a. In a long weekend. This is incredible. These are really nice cars. And it's funny because all the full size luxury cars lose a lot of value. But the BMWs and the Mercedes, you understand why they lose value because they're, they're expensive to own. The components are expensive. This is going to be a reliable car and it's just such a deal. I remember viewing this when it was a new car. It wasn't that long ago. It's now 42.

[Filippo]

Such a bargain. This is a relatively base one by LS500 standards. It doesn't have like the huge speakers and the doors that look really cool.

[James Pumphrey]

A night probably a high mid high 80s sticker got assume 90s sticker three years ago. How many miles were on this car?

[Kenan]

36.

[James Pumphrey]

36 normal miles for a four year old car. I mean this is, this is. How do you not, how are you not interested?

[Filippo]

I mean I gotta wait for it to go another 20 grand but it's just amazing how much especially big luxury cars depreciate.

[James Pumphrey]

Big luxury cars depreciate like crazy.

[Filippo]

Plummet.

[James Pumphrey]

Lexus you would think would do better like the ISF has held its value better than all of its rivals because it's known to be reliable. The market doesn't seem to value that at these cars. It doesn't care.

[Filippo]

The market values enthusiast cars that appreciate.

[Kenan]

Enthusiasts value car cars. The market seems to value more SUVs and so I don't, I think that there's something this is kind of have as a, it has a whiff of old luxury.

[James Pumphrey]

It's hard for Lexus to sell this car.

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[James Pumphrey]

I don't see many of them. I get the sense that, I mean the sedan is going the way of, we all know it's, it's, it's all coming to an end. So that's probably part of it. It probably didn't actually leave the dealership with its 90 sticker anywhere near a 90 transmission.

[Filippo]

Maybe in 21 it did just because you couldn't get cars. But I, I, it took me a second to find MSRP because all of them have some large markdowns.

[James Pumphrey]

Yeah, yeah.

[Filippo]

Still it's 40, 45 and it'll last you forever. This is just a normal, it's not even the hybrid. It's the normal V6.

[James Pumphrey]

You can get 10 good years out of this car. It'll, it'll continue to appreciate. It'll sell for 12.

[Filippo]

When that happens Lexus put a non hybrid 3.5 liter V6 in anything else.

[James Pumphrey]

The twin is twin turbo V6. Isn't that the.

[Filippo]

There's a twin turbo 3.5 liter V6.

[James Pumphrey]

Isn't that the Tundra based Tundra.

[Filippo]

Oh maybe that can't be the same one.

[James Pumphrey]

Is it the one that, the one that they're recalling 450 anyway reliable car here folks. No, but seriously I'm impressed. I'm honestly and truly impressed with that.

[Kenan]

Yeah, I am too. I had no idea.

[James Pumphrey]

I have so much attention to this segment because full size luxury, I mean it's not my thing. But yep.

[Kenan]

Depreciation alive and well.

[James Pumphrey]

We talk about like last week we talked about that S65 and I'm not surprised that car loses value. I'm just. This is going to be a reliable look. Pull up that interior photo. That first interior photo. That's a new. This is a new car that is.

[Filippo]

Identical to the new one except for maybe the little touchpad thing.

[James Pumphrey]

Yeah, that's true. Yeah.

[Filippo]

But nevertheless it's use luxury.

[James Pumphrey]

It's how you use that. I hate that touchpad. I think it's one of the worst things ever to exist. Use for 42.5. I'll use that touchpad for a $40,000 discount off a new one. Get me an over Trail for 42. 5. I'll use all the touchpads you want.

[Filippo]

It just way to bring it back. Luxury, luxury and especially non enthusiast luxury. It's. It's. Why a regular E350 like a. Your generation E350 is worth 15 and a wagon is worth 40. Yeah, especially sedans don't like if it's not an enthusiast car, the luxury just appreciates.

[James Pumphrey]

Yeah, it does. And I agree though the SV has held their value better if this was an LX which is an enthusiast buy on the used market. And so that's one of the reasons why it keeps its value. It definitely hold its value better than this. The market likes those better. Nobody out there looking for these. But it's incredible to me that.

[Filippo]

Incredible indeed.

[James Pumphrey]

I'm sitting here thinking for 42 I can for 10 years and never think about getting another car and still flex on Filippo and then still they have a floor.

[Filippo]

Reliable luxury cars have a floor.

[James Pumphrey]

Well, I don't know. Go back to LS's. We're selling them for six now. These cars are old the 20 years. If in 20 years you've only lost.

[Filippo]

30 in value, you're doing okay.

[James Pumphrey]

Yeah, it's actually not so bad. 33, 34.

[Kenan]

It's a pretty good situation and that's still a reliable usable. Well, this one looks a little low.

[James Pumphrey]

But I was more talking about this one though. And even this here's a 96. So this is 30 years. 30 years.

[Filippo]

And that's still the different generations have different.

[Kenan]

Actually might be slightly on the appreciation curve with the people really like this.

[James Pumphrey]

Is this a second gen with first gen wheels?

[Kenan]

I believe it is a.

[James Pumphrey]

Okay, we got to move on. We got to move on to questions folks. Before we get on questions, do you want to show off the license plate we received? Yes, we received a license plate. From who?

[Filippo]

Let me open it up, find out.

[James Pumphrey]

Oh, there's A note.

[Filippo]

Let me.

[James Pumphrey]

We received a license plate and a note. Cars and bids. A few weeks ago, you ranked the best and worst license plates on the podcast. It was my favorite segment we've ever done. John sent us this one, which we basically said is the worst license plate ever to exist. The Montana Rural Fire, where they simply took a photograph of a rural fire station and put it on a license plate. Can you pull it up? It's hard to. It's hard to see. And because it's going to be out of focus. Montana's rural Fire license plate. One of the ultimate, worst, most ridiculous things ever to exist. There it is. They just went out and took a picture in front of a fire station, like with an old square body. And it's absolutely nonsensical that this happened. But anyway, John, thank you.

[Filippo]

John.

[James Pumphrey]

Who didn't give his last name. Random person will never know who. John, do we know what car is?

[Kenan]

Well, thanks, John.

[Filippo]

No, don't.

[James Pumphrey]

But it was probably on an F40 since it's a moment I've not looked.

[Filippo]

If it's active, I can still find out.

[James Pumphrey]

Thank you, John. We appreciate it. And this, we will cherish this gift forever, just like we cherish the Toyota Bee and the Toyota Goat, which have disappeared. Okay, next we move on to questions, questions, questions. Now, remember, you can ask us a question. You go to carsandbids.com, you click on the community tab and there will be a post there that says questions and then you ask us a question. The question segment is brought to us by Kennan and his white T shirt.

[Kenan]

Oh, thank you.

[James Pumphrey]

Yeah, thank you. Thank you actually for sponsoring this segment.

[Kenan]

It's my absolute pleasure.

[James Pumphrey]

The questions. This week I discovered something. The really good questions. You got to go down. You got to go down. We're going to do a smattering of up and down, but you got to go down. First question from B. Sloss. Doug's canceled Huracan Stado spec. In the recent videos, he mentioned he had a Huracan Stado he had ordered before buying his Countach. What spec did you settle on for the Strato? How is this process with Lamborghini? Have there been any other canceled Dug cars? The spec was cheap. Here's how it works for you.

[Filippo]

It was surprisingly minimal.

[James Pumphrey]

Here's how it works when you order a Lamborghini. Okay. The configurator for all of the top end brands does not have pricing because they don't want people to make fun of them. In all honesty, Porsche is the only brand that has pricing on them.

[Filippo]

We had a whole video where we made fun of them.

[James Pumphrey]

And when I worked at Porsche, this was a constant topic of conversation. Should we stop having pricing on our configuration? Should we stop providing window stickers to journalists? Because what ends up happening is they make fun of you. Oh, eight grand for a painted air vent, you know, that kind of stuff. So Lamborghini, they don't have pricing. And so what would happen is the sales manager at the dealership at O'Gara, he said to me, look, here's what you do. Build the car, send me the configuration, because they give you a little code when you finish the build, and then I'll tell you what it costs. So you have no idea, right? So you build the car, you send it off to him and he emails you back and he says the price, and then you say, well, that's, that's a little too expensive, or it's cheaper than I expected. I'll put a couple more options, but you don't know what those options cost. And so you send him another. And I did about 14 of these. And I thought he'd get annoyed, but I get the sense that this is a large portion of his job.

[Filippo]

Yeah, for sure, without doubt. So what he does on every Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, I ordered the.

[James Pumphrey]

The car I ordered, was gonna order was the army green color, which was called Verde Gaia or something like that with bronze wheels.

[Filippo]

And the light bar.

[James Pumphrey]

Oh, yeah. I mean every off road thing, the roof basket, the light bars, the spare tire, the whole thing. In the end, one of the reasons I passed on this was because I honestly thought that basically everybody would order the military green color with bronze wheels. I thought it would be so obvious, you know, what happened. Nobody did. I haven't seen one. And I was on Autotrader this morning looking for Stos.

[Filippo]

Why not?

[James Pumphrey]

There's not. There's none in my spec. And it's like, damn, I thought they'd be everywhere, man.

[Kenan]

I'm glad you didn't order it, to be honest. The Countach is awesome.

[James Pumphrey]

It rules, no regrets.

[Kenan]

But turns out maybe you could have.

[James Pumphrey]

Had a unique spec. The last part of the question is, have there been any other canceled dug cars? I don't order new cars. I don't, like, do that. Even my new daily driver cars I bought used. I just don't live in a world where I order new cars. The Sequoia I bought knew I had to. Filippo screwed me. It's a long story.

[Filippo]

It is a long story.

[James Pumphrey]

We've told it before, and I'll tell it again, but like my overtrail, I buy used. My Kia Stinger, I bought used, you know, Is that true?

[Filippo]

I thought it was.

[Kenan]

I thought it was.

[James Pumphrey]

No, but remember, the dealer had bought new, but the dealer had punched it like a year before because no one was buying it. And they had some program that month. And trust me, the price I paid for that, I bought it used. Remember that? I told. It was like. It was like nine grand off, and I said, I'll. I'll do that if you bring it to my home and I don't have to go to the dealer. And they brought the car and the paperwork an hour away to my house just to get that steering.

[Kenan]

Didn't they, like, forget to give you a key? And then they had to come.

[James Pumphrey]

Yeah, they were like, oh, we don't have a. We don't have a second key. But they did. And then they ended up giving me a third key and then a fourth key. So, like, when I sold it, it had like four cool key, too. Anyway, the answer to the question is there have not been any other to cancel dug cars. And the only real reason I'm sad that I didn't get a Serato because they're pretty available used. The only real reason is because. Because I think it would have been cool to, like, buy a supercar new and, like, have that experience. I don't. As they become more automatic and more hybrid, I don't think I ever will. And I'm sad that I couldn't have done that. And I truly don't think I ever will.

[Filippo]

That was an automatic.

[James Pumphrey]

It was, but it was the last V10. It was an off road. Like, they're not going to make a car like that again.

[Kenan]

Small concession to pay. You got a Countach?

[James Pumphrey]

I got a.

[Kenan]

That's your concentration.

[James Pumphrey]

And that's very, very, very cool. Would have been nice to have both end and over trail.

[Filippo]

Yeah, that would have been a loss.

[James Pumphrey]

Yeah. So I lost all my money in the stock market because of the tariffs. Next question. Next question. This is a good one that you. I want you to really think about from Speedstuff. What cars would get better or worse driving experience reviews, if journalists could not tell what make or model they were driving. I love this question because it assumes that journalists have massive bias and they do. Some of the stuff I have heard my fellow car journalists say, especially at launch events, I am absolutely astonished by.

[Filippo]

If they can't tell which automaker it is, they can't tell is that the automaker that's sponsoring us for performance car of the year this year. I'm joking about, I'm joking, I'm joking about the specificity.

[James Pumphrey]

I don't think it's that specific. But I do think there are individual journalists who are predisposed to like certain brands and I think a lot of them actually are, are, are. There's a lot of Volkswagen love in the car. Journalist.

[Filippo]

I think that Mazda would not get quite the love that occurred.

[James Pumphrey]

Absolutely.

[Filippo]

There's a lot of, like, everybody loves Mazda, so therefore I Love Mazda.

[James Pumphrey]

Yep.

[Filippo]

Etc.

[James Pumphrey]

Ferrari. Does Ferrari drive better than McLaren and Lamborghini? If you covered up the everything, would it. I don't know. But we all know what happens if you say bad things about Ferrari.

[Kenan]

Exactly. I'll bet they'd say some truths.

[James Pumphrey]

Yeah, yeah. I, I, what about the, what about the new nsx? Would people have liked that car more if it wasn't a Cura?

[Kenan]

I think they would like to war if it had just, you know, come out when they said it was going to, not seven years later.

[Filippo]

There is an element of that too.

[James Pumphrey]

Right.

[Filippo]

Like it's all actually about expectation setting and you can't remove that fully. It's not fair to fully remove that.

[James Pumphrey]

Right.

[Filippo]

Like, what does the manufacturer say you're creating? That's what you're comparing it against. Not just every other car in the field. There's some innate, how does this brand make you feel? What's the comparison point? What did they promise me? Did they deliver on that?

[James Pumphrey]

But the point question, though, is making the point that even though there's a feel component, would you, if you got into a base Subaru Forester and you got into a base Chevy Traverse and they switched around the badges.

[Filippo]

Well, first of all, you went from one vehicle to a much larger vehicle. Yeah.

[James Pumphrey]

But my point is people like Subaru. Yeah, people don't like Chevy for, for boring SUVs.

[Filippo]

I fully agree.

[James Pumphrey]

Would you, would you get into the Traverse if it had Subaru badging and be like, oh, you know, this is.

[Filippo]

A pretty good car without a singular doubt that would happen. Not our reviews.

[James Pumphrey]

No, no, no. God, no. Never.

[Filippo]

That's not how I feel about.

[James Pumphrey]

But I do think, and part of his question is, would someone think a new M5 is an awesome driving experience because they're not comparing it to an older one? That was part of the question too. Absolutely.

[Kenan]

Yeah.

[James Pumphrey]

The. Now I will say for cars that have a lineage, you, you do have to think about the lineage. Like a 911 could be like, you could come out with a 911 that's as fast as a plaid for all electric. But, like, there's a lineage that you have to keep up with there.

[Filippo]

I think that you can differentiate the two. There could be two different kinds of reviews. One is, how does this fit into that brand's history and heritage and reputation? And how is this car as just an objective vehicle?

[James Pumphrey]

You can do two, you can do it in kind of generally just say you can. 163 is bad at both. The M5, I think, is only bad at one. And I think from a perspective of it being a car, it's a great one. From a perspective of it being in the next M5 and it's heavier and all that. Yeah, there was a lot of complaints about that, but I think if they were honest with themselves, journalists would review that car positively.

[Kenan]

I. When I drove it, I. It didn't bother me at all. Didn't really notice it, to be honest with you. It's fast and nice and cool, and.

[James Pumphrey]

It'S a good car. Yeah. But I do think the brand does have a lot of cloud. And I am always continually surprised by some of the takes I hear from my fellow journalists that I think are just art. There's. There's some brand falls into that.

[Filippo]

There's some brand without a single doubt.

[James Pumphrey]

Okay, there are some there, like I said, some great ones down here. Next question from Peter Aldridge. Do you ever come feel compelled to review cars more favorably to stay in the good graces of manufacturers asking that to me? Nope. I don't.

[Kenan]

Not him.

[James Pumphrey]

I don't give up. It literally doesn't matter now. There may have been a time years ago, but my current situation, especially my current financial situation, I don't care at all. You want not send me a car, that's fine. I will find a dealership. I will find a person. I do not care.

[Filippo]

For a long time, you would get cars almost exclusively from dealerships or from people. And during co, it made sense. I don't want anything to go to dealership. Have a press deliver me. That makes sense, but I think you'd go back to that.

[James Pumphrey]

Oh, yeah.

[Filippo]

And you don't go to press launches. You don't take the.

[James Pumphrey]

Yeah, I mean, ultimately, I don't do a lot of these people stay in the good graces of automakers and do a lot of stuff with the automakers. Like, I don't attend press launches. When I do, I don't pay. I don't have the automaker pay for me. Like, I don't like get into that sort of stuff anyway. I do not. I honestly, I have some friends in the automotive PR space, but I generally think that the journalist role should be adversarial with automotive PR and that you should be constantly fact checking them and constantly thinking through like, are what are they telling me? Is this real? Is this not, you know, does it. Is it actually true that such and such car is better than other car? And I don't find a lot of that. I go to these things and there's a lot of like Glad Hanning and people who know each other well and, and just kind of stick to the, you know, the, the printed bullet points. Now one person in response to this was like he gave a pretty good review to the M5 into the charger Daytona. They're good cars, Al. Ultimately the, the M5 is a good car. I was wondering if you were going.

[Filippo]

To walk that back.

[James Pumphrey]

There it is, the Charger Daytona. I don't think I did give a good review. The title was it's an unfinished Effort. And I basically was like if this car had different engines it would be pretty good.

[Filippo]

Which it will. Which I think including a Hemi.

[James Pumphrey]

And by the way, I'm excited for that. But no, I, I honestly and truly more than probably more than some of the other folks. I really do not care. Take me off your list car companies. I will review the car anyway. Okay, next question. And this is a good one for you and me, Daddy. Doug SRT8 writes. Hey Doug, you've done rankings of certain groups of cars. Can you rank all the Corvettes good.

[Kenan]

A rank a king list. I don't have to be involved with.

[James Pumphrey]

This is hard because it goes a long way back the eight. Yeah. But it goes back into the 50s.

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[James Pumphrey]

And some things that were desirable in the 50s ain't desirable anymore.

[Filippo]

No.

[James Pumphrey]

C2 is number one.

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[James Pumphrey]

C2 is the car.

[Filippo]

C2 is the car.

[James Pumphrey]

I mean C2 changes.

[Filippo]

Where do you go from C2, C8? Oh, I can't get with that.

[Kenan]

It's the best.

[Filippo]

No, man, no. No manual that is a real issue.

[James Pumphrey]

Dude. You ever drive a, you ever drive a, a, a C4 with a Doug Nash 43?

[Filippo]

No, but I really want to.

[James Pumphrey]

Manual isn't the reason.

[Filippo]

Really want to. I've always, I reached from the, from when we. We've hosted a bunch of C4s with the Doug Nash, which is a 4 plus 3. And I just want to know. I need to experience it. If you have one, let me know. All right.

[James Pumphrey]

All right.

[Filippo]

All right. Yeah.

[James Pumphrey]

C. C3 is last.

[Filippo]

C3.

[James Pumphrey]

I want to break. No, I want to break this up. I'm going to do something kind controversial. C4.1 is last. C3 is second to last. C4.2 is better.

[Filippo]

I'm gonna. But we gotta think about the generation as a whole. C3 is above C4.

[James Pumphrey]

The late C4s are great cars. I would rather have a late C4 than a C5 or a C6 and maybe even a C1. Oh, my God. A late C4. Dude, a 96 Grand Sport is one of the coolest Corvettes ever built. But any late C4 is a great Corvette. Corvette.

[Kenan]

Yep.

[James Pumphrey]

Any laser. I know.

[Filippo]

But we gotta think about the generation as a whole.

[James Pumphrey]

I'm taking it. C4.1. C 4.2.

[Filippo]

I'm gonna accept that.

[James Pumphrey]

92. 91. 92.

[Filippo]

We all agree that a C6 is only marginally better than a C3.

[James Pumphrey]

Wait, wait. But I want to.

[Kenan]

Hold on a minute.

[James Pumphrey]

I want to be clear. I'm putting. I'm putting the C4 one at the bottom.

[Filippo]

Yeah, yeah.

[James Pumphrey]

Then the C3, then the C5.

[Filippo]

No, I'm going to put C6 more than C5.

[James Pumphrey]

No, C6 is a better car than C5. It was just a better evolution of the C5. It had a better motor, it looked better. The interior was better. It drove better.

[Filippo]

Did not look better, just cooler.

[James Pumphrey]

The C5 is just cooler than the C6.

[Filippo]

It just is. I'm really sorry. It just is what?

[James Pumphrey]

It just kind of agree.

[Kenan]

But it is not better. The C6 is better.

[James Pumphrey]

In what way is it? What do you mean?

[Filippo]

It's just cooler.

[James Pumphrey]

What? It's just a cooler. It's like squidgier. All the C5 is squidier. Have you seen the C6? That's the point of the C5. All the C5 is is a squidgier C6. The C6 was tight. It was a Titan C5.

[Filippo]

It looks like a squidgier C5 though.

[James Pumphrey]

That's insane.

[Kenan]

Look, I don't have a dog in this fight, but you're crazy.

[James Pumphrey]

This is crazy.

[Kenan]

I actually support Felipe.

[James Pumphrey]

Okay, what's the second best?

[Filippo]

I think that a C7 is the second best.

[James Pumphrey]

C8.

[Filippo]

C8.

[James Pumphrey]

We could be third. I would rather have a C8 than a C7.

[Filippo]

What about like a C7 Grand Sport C7Z06?

[James Pumphrey]

What about the C8ZR1? It's got 2 million horsepower.

[Filippo]

It's a better performance card. But I think it's a less engaging the C6.

[Kenan]

The C6 or C7. ZR1 has a manual transmission.

[Filippo]

Yeah. Nobody. We're not counting zero.

[Kenan]

If you're gonna if going to use the ZR1 as a comparison point, I'll hit you with the ZR.

[James Pumphrey]

C8 is dynamically brilliant. It is the first Corvette that an entire generation has ever wanted.

[Filippo]

I will grant you that. Really the point of the Corvette is to prove that an American brand can build a class competitive supercar on a budget. And the C8 is that in a way that the C7 is not. But I would rather have a C7.

[James Pumphrey]

I think that C1 also should go before C7. What? C1, C1 changed the world.

[Kenan]

You ever driven a C1?

[James Pumphrey]

No, no. They're bad. But, but, but it changed the world. So you don't understand. C1 was an icon. It's hard to even explain in today's society how the world thought the C1 was cool.

[Kenan]

I know. I actually agree.

[James Pumphrey]

Not just Dennis and him.

[Kenan]

I every time I see one at a car show at Johnny's Diner or wherever they happen to be on I see a C1, I go, can you believe that America used to build cars that look like that? But I say the same thing about the C2 and I much prefer the C2 than C1.

[James Pumphrey]

Yeah, well this is.

[Filippo]

And they're both compromised on C8. Can we compromise on C1? So C2 top number one. C8. I'll give you a second. C7. C1, C4 2.

[James Pumphrey]

Yeah.

[Filippo]

C5. C6.

[James Pumphrey]

No 3. C6. C5 then C3, then C 4.1. That's your answer. We're pretty aligned. We're close enough. We're close enough. That's interesting.

[Filippo]

Interesting Corvette fans.

[James Pumphrey]

We're going to get about 4.1. But honestly the C4.2i, I to this day sometimes consider buying a 96 Grand Sport. To this day I would want one with miles. I would want one with a stick. I do not want a convertible. Can you pull up a C4? We ran a nice one.

[Filippo]

We, we've run several nice ones.

[Kenan]

Let's see.

[James Pumphrey]

I don't, I think it's been audis type in C4 grams grand.

[Filippo]

Doug Nash. I just want. If you have a Doug Nash C4.

[James Pumphrey]

Oh my God. I want one of these.

[Filippo]

So minute bad.

[James Pumphrey]

Look at that. They all had red interiors.

[Filippo]

I know, so cool.

[James Pumphrey]

Look at that. Also the interior wasn't bad. It truly wasn't by then.

[Filippo]

No, it's fine.

[James Pumphrey]

Shannon's looking at it like oh well disagree. Oh well look at that. Look at this. Look at this random non symmetrical. This is how you make a car. Look at this chassis switch Tour sport turf. Oh, look at that.

[Filippo]

Look at.

[James Pumphrey]

No, I think it's perfect.

[Filippo]

Just posterity say can you put in King of the Hill aka C4ZR1 that we sold.

[James Pumphrey]

Dude, look at this car. This is so cool.

[Filippo]

This was so cool. We sold a Z1.

[James Pumphrey]

Although this is a 0.1.

[Filippo]

I know but it was still cool. I would. I. It's rare that we get to talk about it cuz it was so long ago.

[James Pumphrey]

Yeah, it was. But it 20.

[Filippo]

Yeah, yeah.

[Kenan]

The. The ZR1. That. That engine in the ZR1 is something very special and ahead of its time and interesting and cool. I adore that car personally.

[James Pumphrey]

Okay, we only have time for two more questions. Two more questions, two more questions. One of them is from Quasi Brad and it was a question for Filippo. The question is Filippo, if you had to buy a car at a price point outside of what you'd ever actually spent on a car, what would it be? I have the same question for him. Aren't you curious about this? He says list 50, 100 and 250. I don't care about the cheaper ones. What would you buy for 250?

[Filippo]

Nothing. I don't know.

[Kenan]

Index funds.

[Filippo]

My car thinking is very practical. Practical in nature. So it'd be what is the purpose of this car? And if the answer was just for fun, I wouldn't. It's not a thing I would Entertain. Right.

[James Pumphrey]

Okay. But 250, it doesn't have to be fun.

[Filippo]

I think if. If I were spending in the 150s. You can't even mentally getting there. I mean if I throw in the 150s I get a 5. A Ferrari 550. I think a 550 is. Would be legitimately quite cool.

[Kenan]

I agree.

[Filippo]

If I was going the 300 Spiker C8 is a weirdly peeling car.

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[Kenan]

I mean, yeah, you could wear that jacket with that patch that doesn't match and you'd be Super Spiker C8.

[James Pumphrey]

It's so cool. It's always interesting me when he has to express opinions about expensive cars that are positive because he never does. You like the 550? What about an F12 or an 812 or do you know what those are?

[Filippo]

I do know what Those are. An F12 would be appealing. An A12. Never had a drifted.

[James Pumphrey]

No interest in the 812.

[Kenan]

I agree with.

[James Pumphrey]

It's just cool.

[Filippo]

Also the engine engineering. Well the like look appearance of engineering behind it is really cool.

[Kenan]

Five valves per cylinder, baby. And less horsepower than the the R8.

[James Pumphrey]

I filmed a video at this.

[Filippo]

You did that?

[James Pumphrey]

That's what made me want location.

[Filippo]

That's what made me want.

[James Pumphrey]

And I drove home in a Grand National. Would you get a Grand National?

[Filippo]

No.

[James Pumphrey]

Okay.

[Filippo]

Go to the interior.

[Kenan]

It's like a one of the finest.

[James Pumphrey]

This is what you would get at this price point, I think.

[Filippo]

So what do I get for 250? I don't know. Well, cars are 2 50.

[James Pumphrey]

Find these for 250. Just this one was a really good one.

[Filippo]

All right.

[James Pumphrey]

What other cars are 250?

[Kenan]

I got nothing. A laviolette's worth less than Spiders.

[Filippo]

I would consider going weird 80s European. Like a Renault R5. Turbo is like the nicest one or like something in that realm.

[James Pumphrey]

You still can't take over. He can get himself over 125. He cannot get himself over 125 for like 85. You don't think about like a 9 Turbo. You don't think on Delta Integral.

[Filippo]

You. I would love one.

[James Pumphrey]

Really? Really?

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[James Pumphrey]

You.

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[James Pumphrey]

How could you maintain it?

[Kenan]

You would not have.

[Filippo]

I wouldn't buy it obviously. But I'm being forced to entertain this.

[Kenan]

There's nobody in the entire city of San Diego that can work on the Integralic.

[James Pumphrey]

I asked a lot of people. I'm sure we could find someone. But it would. It would be challenging.

[Filippo]

That's my answer. I got nothing to do with this.

[Kenan]

I am impressed. I very. I'm very impressed that you. It took you a minute to get there. You had to warm up, run at it.

[James Pumphrey]

Didn't really hit the no.

[Kenan]

5 50.

[James Pumphrey]

And what about like a new S65 and just bought all out.

[Filippo]

Absolutely not.

[James Pumphrey]

But imagine if you're so rich, depreciation is not a. I can't get past.

[Filippo]

Like 100 grand on a new car. Like, and I And want. Still want it.

[James Pumphrey]

Interesting.

[Kenan]

I applaud your choice.

[Filippo]

Thank you.

[Kenan]

Very tasty.

[Filippo]

Thank you.

[Kenan]

Nicely done.

[James Pumphrey]

I applaud at least your ability to think about it. Okay, I'll take that. Two more questions. Very quick. Number one. Dear Doug from Ahub 263, why did you take down your recession video? Oh my God. I put up a video about what the recession and tariffs would do to the car industry. And. And in the first 30 seconds of the video, I accidentally said, I switched up that tariffs are paid by importers versus exporters. And the rest of the video went on completely normally. But people absolutely freaked out about this 30 seconds. That had nothing at all to do with the video. And I just decided I don't want to put up with the bs. It was like a clear speech mistake that was not even important. That had nothing to do with the actual text point of the video. And I have noticed this is irrelevant and that's the answer. But. But this is something I have noticed. The. Well, actually people, they seem to be more than they used to be in general. Not even just on our content. In fact, mostly not on our content. I see on a lot of other creators stuff and especially on Instagram, the well actually crew who isn't even saying something substantive like in this case, this is a good example, just wants to get in there and make a correction. And as a creator, it's gets tiring. And thankfully, as a creative in myself, I just delete the content.

[Kenan]

Move on, delete the content, get in your kintosh and drive off.

[James Pumphrey]

Right. Okay, Quasi Brad, last question from Quasi Brad. Do any of you have any opinions on MKBHD saying at the beginning of his Charger EV review that muscle cars are the perfect vehicle to go electric? I found that almost objectionable. They are. I've always said that the Tesla is the muscle car of the modern era. They're fast in a straight line, they don't really turn all that well, and they're cheap speed. They are muscle cars.

[Kenan]

They're not well put together and they're.

[James Pumphrey]

Not really all that well built. Built.

[Kenan]

Yeah, you said that about the plaid. I remember when you. That's total. I agree with that. Now, to. To this person's point, I also understand, like when you think muscle car. I think and V8 and cool stuff.

[James Pumphrey]

But, but, but Tesla doesn't like Teslas.

[Filippo]

Do not look like the Charger Daytona.

[James Pumphrey]

The Charger Daytona does. I totally agree with nkbhd's take. I think if you really distill what made a muscle car, it was cheap speed, poor built, straight line, American made vehicles. And if you want to look at all of the evs that are. That they're all fat. Exactly those things.

[Filippo]

But the experience is different. It's a new kind of muscle car.

[James Pumphrey]

It's a muscle car for the 25th century or whatever we're living in. We're gonna get a lot of the. Well, actually 23rd century sleep is gone. All right, that's the end of the questions. That's the end of our podcast. Unless, Filippo, you have any final parting thoughts.

[Filippo]

Just DND212.

[James Pumphrey]

Dude, download the app. That's what you're always supposed to.

[Filippo]

Sorry, I got stretched by the license plate.

[James Pumphrey]

Download the rains. Money when you shake it.

[Filippo]

I. I've been. That is cars and bits confetti.

[James Pumphrey]

That's cars and bits confetti. It's not money.

[Filippo]

Not money. Although it can be money.

[James Pumphrey]

It can be money if you want it to, right?

[Filippo]

Try. Download the app.

[James Pumphrey]

Try it out. Goodbye, everyone. Thank you for watching our finest podcast ever.

[Kenan]

Goodbye.