Ugliest Car Ever? Doug DeMuro's Road Rage Strategy, and the Tesla Future Classic!

Summary

THIS CAR POD! with Doug DeMuro & Friends! Episode: Ugliest Car Ever? Doug DeMuro's Road Rage Strategy, and the Tesla Future Classic! Release Date: September 27, 2024

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1. Mansory’s Ferrari SUV: The Pinnacle of Ostentatious Design

The episode kicks off with a spirited discussion about Mansory's latest offering—a Ferrari SUV that has stirred considerable debate among car enthusiasts for its unconventional and, to some, unattractive design.

Doug DeMuro expresses his disdain for the vehicle, stating, "This is the ugliest thing I have seen in my life. Do you agree?" (04:07).

Nick elaborates on the design philosophy, explaining that Mansory aims to create an "ostentatious display of wealth," making the SUV as "ugly and more obnoxious" as possible to ensure it stands out in elite settings like Monaco or the Middle East (02:28).

Filippo adds that despite the high craftsmanship, the fit and finish "doesn't look great," further cementing the SUV’s reputation as a controversial masterpiece (04:46).

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2. Volkswagen’s Ketchup Promotion and the Golf Harlequin Legacy

Transitioning to Volkswagen, the hosts discuss a peculiar marketing strategy involving ketchup giveaways with car purchases.

Filippo highlights, "Volkswagen, for some reason, is giving you bottles of ketchup when you buy specific cars" (06:31), leading to curiosity about its origin. Doug speculates it might relate to factory practices, suggesting the ketchup is "served in their factories to their factory workers" and now extended to customers (06:43).

The conversation shifts to the nostalgic Golf Harlequin, a multicolored Volkswagen model from the 90s. Doug reminisces about its unique panel assembly and its limited appeal, noting, "Nobody wanted this multicolored Golf" which resulted in remaining unsold stock being returned (08:00).

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3. Ram Heavy Duty’s Over-the-Top Grill Design

The hosts critique the new Ram Heavy Duty truck, focusing on its extravagant grille design.

Doug describes it as "absolutely ridiculous" with lines that resemble a "baleen whale" (10:15). Nick humorously notes the practical implications, questioning who actually cleans such vehicles regularly (10:32).

Filippo concurs, adding, "100" to emphasize the severity of his agreement with Doug's assessment (10:59).

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4. INEOS Pauses Grenadier and Quartermaster Production

A significant part of the episode covers INEOS’s decision to halt production of its Grenadier and Quartermaster pickup trucks due to unspecified part delays.

Nick mentions, "They’re pausing production. It’s hard to see the resolution of our camera, but there are lines everywhere" (10:15), speculating that the real issue might be an oversupply rather than actual part shortages (12:44).

Doug adds skepticism, suggesting that if the cars were performing well, the company wouldn't pause production for six months without securing alternative suppliers (12:44).

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5. GR Corolla’s New Automatic Transmission: A Costly Option

The introduction of an automatic transmission option for the GR Corolla sparks debate among the hosts.

Doug questions the necessity and resale value, stating, "And it's going to resell worse" (17:27). Filippo agrees, asserting, "I would never buy the automatic version of this car ever" (18:56).

Nick conjures a hypothetical investment scenario based on lease specials, humorously suggesting to "short those stocks" (18:10).

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6. Doug’s Road Rage Strategy: Targeting First-Gen Nissan Leaf Owners

In the Talk Cars segment, Doug shares a unique strategy for engaging in road rage incidents without reciprocal danger.

Doug proposes, "if you're going to get in road rage, you should engage with a driver of a first generation Nissan Leaf" (22:22). He rationalizes that these drivers likely have reduced range, making escalation difficult (23:37).

Nick humorously adds that Leaf owners are "statistically less likely to be gun owners" (22:57), further emphasizing the safety aspect.

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7. Nick’s Maserati Quattroporte Procurement Saga

Nick narrates his tumultuous experience purchasing a Maserati Quattroporte, highlighting the challenges of dealing with a sketchy seller.

Nick recounts, "The big issue was the title... it was missing a signature" (25:24), which led to multiple cancellations and re-negotiations (26:10).

Doug quips about the unreliable transaction, noting, "the sketchiest man in the world has sold the second sketchiest man in the world, a Quattroporte" (27:02).

Nick concludes the story optimistically, mentioning upcoming video content featuring the Quattroporte (28:05).

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8. Color Enthusiasm: Green Hell Magno AMG GTR vs. Verde Mantis Huracan Evo

The Cars and Beds segment dives into the preferences for vibrant car colors, debating the aesthetics of specific green shades on high-performance vehicles.

Filippo expresses his admiration for the "Green Hell Magno" on the AMG GTR, declaring it a "great color" (30:12), though Doug remains nonchalant, stating, "That's what they are" (30:05).

Nick supports the notion of bold colors, likening them to Mansory’s approach: "To be obnoxious" (30:08).

The discussion highlights personal color preferences, with Filippo favoring unique hues like "Damson" on a Bentley and Nick teasing about selling an automatic GR Corolla in "lizard green" (31:34).

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9. Market Report: Tesla Model S Signature Edition as a Future Classic

In the Market Report, Doug and his co-host analyze the Tesla Model S Signature edition, predicting its potential rise in value and historical significance.

Doug shares his theory that the limited "Signature" edition cars, especially those signed by Elon Musk, will become valuable collectables in the future (37:11).

Filippo concurs, noting, "this already is $53K in 2022 for a super low mile one," and emphasizes the collectibility of well-preserved models (39:05).

They reflect on the Model S's impact on the automotive industry, highlighting its role as a cornerstone for Tesla's success (38:00).

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10. Listener Questions: Collaborations, Scout EV, and BMW Offroad SUVs

The episode concludes with a Q&A segment addressing listener inquiries.

• Collaboration with Whistlin Diesel: Doug expresses regret over never collaborating with the popular YouTuber known for blowing up cars. He admires Whistlin Diesel's content and humorously laments the missed opportunity (47:14).

• Scout EV Release: Listeners inquire about the new Scout EV. Doug expresses excitement but remains skeptical about Volkswagen's ability to execute successfully, referencing past failures like the "long wheelbase one five years after they first announced it" (50:21).

• BMW’s Absence in Offroad SUVs: The hosts discuss why BMW hasn’t ventured robustly into the offroad SUV market. Filippo suggests BMW misunderstood the image and purpose of successful offroaders like the G Wagon, leading to less impressive attempts like the XM (55:04).

Doug and Nick emphasize the importance of capability and image alignment for success in the offroad SUV segment, critiquing BMW’s efforts as misguided compared to competitors who excel in this niche (55:15).

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11. Closing Remarks

The episode wraps up with light-hearted banter and acknowledgments. Nick humorously apologizes for the content, while Doug reflects on the dynamic discussions and teases upcoming content.

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Notable Quotes:

• Doug: "This is the ugliest thing I have seen in my life. Do you agree?" (04:07)
• Nick: "It's just a flex on your buddies." (03:25)
• Doug: "This grill's got to be 4.5ft high. Yep. It will murder children. It'll be very tragic." (11:07)
• Doug: "If you want a jerk Corolla, but you want your significant other who can't drive a manual, maybe you would buy the automatic." (19:21)
• Doug: "Here's my road rage contention... engage with a driver of a first generation Nissan Leaf." (22:22)
• Nick: "He's gonna screw this up, too. It's what they do." (51:36)

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Timestamp Reference:

• 04:07 - Discussion on Mansory’s Ferrari SUV
• 02:28 - Nick on Mansory’s design philosophy
• 04:46 - Filippo on craftsmanship issues
• 06:31 - Volkswagen’s ketchup promotion
• 08:00 - Golf Harlequin legacy
• 10:15 - Ram Heavy Duty’s grill
• 10:32 - Nick on cleaning trucks
• 12:44 - INEOS production pause skepticism
• 17:27 - GR Corolla automatic transmission cost
• 18:56 - Filippo on not buying the automatic GR Corolla
• 22:22 - Doug’s road rage strategy
• 23:37 - Reduced range of first-gen Leaf
• 25:24 - Nick’s Maserati Quattroporte title issue
• 26:10 - Transaction stalemate
• 27:02 - Doug on sketchy transaction
• 28:05 - Upcoming Quattroporte content
• 30:12 - Filippo on AMG GTR color
• 30:05 - Doug on color preference
• 30:08 - Nick on Mansory-like obnoxiousness
• 31:34 - Filippo’s Bentley color preference
• 37:11 - Tesla Model S Signature as future classic
• 39:05 - Filippo on collectibility
• 47:14 - Collaboration with Whistlin Diesel
• 50:21 - Scout EV skepticism
• 55:04 - BMW’s offroad SUV shortcomings
• 55:15 - Doug on BMW’s misunderstanding
• 19:21 - Filippo on automatic GR Corolla buyers
• 51:36 - Doug on Scout EV's future mishaps

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This comprehensive summary captures the essence of the episode, highlighting key discussions, insights, and humorous exchanges among the hosts. For an in-depth understanding and the dynamic chemistry between Doug, Nick, and Filippo, tuning into the full episode is highly recommended.

Transcript

[Doug]

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[Filippo]

I'm Filippo.

[Nick]

I'm Nick.

[Doug]

Because Kennen isn't here today. Very sad. But we have Nick instead. He's got some car updates for us and some other things, and we got a lot of car to talk about, so let's go.

[Filippo]

Should we get started with. Start with Nick.

[Doug]

Tell us about this.

[Nick]

All right, so, man, Sorry. And that's actually how it's pronounced, is man. The pause, I think, is optional. Then sorry. Mansari has the new Ferrari suv.

[Filippo]

Should be sorry. So I get it.

[Nick]

And I've actually. I've been digging deep into this because as a car enthusiast, I've spent a lot of time wondering who's buying this stuff. Doug's losing it, which is great.

[Doug]

You won't not save me. I'm sorry. Okay. The genesis of this is the Instagram worst spec. You know, there's all these people like, oh, your spec is so grate spec. Yeah. But there's an Instagram called Worst Spec that looks at the worst specs.

[Nick]

Yeah. I love this account.

[Doug]

It's one of the great Instagrams. And he refers to Mansory, the company that makes horrible body kits, only as man sorry and no Oklahoma.

[Nick]

That is how Mr. Mansari himself pronounces it.

[Doug]

You're kidding. I'm dead serious.

[Nick]

That is how they pronounce it in Amsterdam or wherever they're from.

[Doug]

Well, he should be saying man. Sorry for this one. This is the ugliest thing I have seen in my life. Do you agree?

[Nick]

It's.

[Doug]

What is your Deep Dive?

[Nick]

The deep dive is. That's the point. It is supposed to be an ostentatious display of wealth. So the uglier and more obnoxious they make it, the more distinct it is. And therefore, when you are in Monaco trying to flex on everyone that else has a pur. There's no mistaking that you paid $400,000 extra for the ugly version.

[Doug]

You don't see a lot of in Monaco. You see them in the Middle East.

[Nick]

Wherever you're seeing them, where there's less. That's the point. If it were subtle, no one would know that you spent double the cars on the cost. They're incredibly expensive.

[Filippo]

I will. Good news, though. It has, like, five more horsepower.

[Doug]

Yep. Oh.

[Filippo]

Little tune exhaust, I think. Yeah.

[Nick]

It's just a flex on your buddies. So the Matt Armstrong, the YouTuber just rebuilt Marcus Rashford's Wraith, and I'm messing up all the names there, but he detailed the parts, and it was like a badge is $1,300. The hood would be 14,000 DOL. Like, everything is exorbitantly expensive. But that is the point.

[Doug]

Is the company just kind of making fun of their cus. Like, do you understand I'm saying, like, if the point is to be over the top, ostentatious and ridiculous, like, at some point, are you just making fun of.

[Filippo]

It's a good question.

[Doug]

People.

[Filippo]

Yes.

[Doug]

Like, do they exist to make fun of their customers?

[Filippo]

What does Mr. Mansory drive himself?

[Doug]

That answers the question.

[Nick]

Exposed that. But he's got a long, flowing white beard, and he kind of looks like a wizard, but he's. He's a character. He was. Had a lot of curse words in the most recent Matt video, but I.

[Doug]

Will say he's, like, European. So this is the Mansari version of the Ferrari suv. The purse, like, you know what this looks like is the Juke R. Remember the Jukar?

[Filippo]

The Jukar was tasteful.

[Doug]

The comparatively tasteful.

[Nick]

It's got a lot of vents.

[Filippo]

I would like to go to a photo of the. Of the rear, because we don't have it here for a Sanguay Mansory.

[Doug]

Sorry, you spelled it right.

[Nick]

Only one R, despite the pronunciation.

[Doug]

This is just aggressively bad. So the whole point is to be even showier than, like, whatever, like, an event. If you're in your community, Aventadors are common. You get a man. Sorry.

[Filippo]

Aventador, the Pugnator.

[Nick]

And it's not that he's trolling his customers. His customers are looking for this. So he's found a need, and they're filling that need. And I will say the craftsmanship actually appears to be. Well, in terms of, like, the fit and finish. Like, it doesn't look great.

[Doug]

I agree with that. It always seems like it's. It's not like, a cheap, like, body kit that's fallen off a 350Z.

[Nick]

And it's the interior. They reupholster every inch of the inside. Like, really. They go all out. But it is hundreds of thousands of dollars that you spend on top of the purchase price.

[Doug]

You agree that it makes it uglier.

[Nick]

I would never do this in a million. I wouldn't buy the Purasangwe to begin with. But.

[Filippo]

And if Nick wouldn't do it, imagine.

[Doug]

Man. Sorry. All over the seat belts. Go back up. Go back up, man. Sorry. All over this. Look at that lit, man. Sorry. On the seat. You saw in the. In the.

[Filippo]

You saw what they're calling this, right? The Pugnator.

[Doug]

The what? The Pugnator.

[Nick]

Pugnator.

[Doug]

Yikes. Yikes. What other?

[Filippo]

Unfortunately, their side doesn't work.

[Doug]

What other? Man. Saris are there. Go back up there. Oh, they got a. They got a whole. Wait, wait.

[Nick]

I want to see the Vespa.

[Doug]

Oh, man. 911 Carrera facelift. You want to see the Vespa. But I mean, these aren't so bad.

[Filippo]

The Black Marlin.

[Nick]

The golden age of cars, aka the 90s. And you had Wings West Civics. Right. The idea again was to be like a Transformer and look as different and wild as possible.

[Doug]

Right.

[Nick]

That's the design ethos. It's not for us, but for the.

[Doug]

Right type of design.

[Filippo]

They may have made the XM look good.

[Doug]

The XM looks about the same. Chopster. That looks like a Cayenne.

[Filippo]

That is a Cayenne.

[Doug]

Do you want the Chopster?

[Filippo]

Their website has had some troubles here and there.

[Doug]

Yikes on a stick. Well, that is. Man, sorry. And man, are we sorry we had to look at how many times you.

[Filippo]

Want to make the joke. You got to come up with something more creative.

[Doug]

I love it. The dude named his company, like, what we think, you know, it would be like. It would be like. We'll have to think of something.

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[Doug]

All right.

[Filippo]

We'll put some thought to it.

[Doug]

Okay, next news story. There is a ketchup situation. Filipa, tell us.

[Filippo]

Yeah. Volkswagen, for some reason is giving you bottles of ketchup when you buy specific cars.

[Doug]

Okay. All we know is and why the.

[Filippo]

Why we will never understand.

[Doug]

No, it has something to do with. They serve this ketchup in their factory or something.

[Filippo]

It's something made near their factory. I. To be honest. This is your news story. I. All I know is that there's a press photo with a. They dressed GLI with a tomato stem and a bottle of ketchup. So that's all I know.

[Doug]

This Ketchup is served in their factories to their factory workers. And apparently we are supposed to know that. And so now they're serving it with cars.

[Nick]

You could actually get it for free through their parts catalog for a bit.

[Filippo]

That's what it is.

[Doug]

No way.

[Nick]

So you didn't have to buy a car.

[Filippo]

It's back now. Now you can get it for free through their parts catalog again.

[Nick]

And not to make this political, but you have the shrinkflation movement. It used to be you buy a Jetta, you get a pair of K2 skis or a Trek mountain bike. Now we're good old. Come on.

[Doug]

Are you just going to do the 90s? Is this going to be a 90s podcast? That was the Jetta 3, 1996.

[Filippo]

The Trek edition was a great addition. Somehow it's what they all are.

[Doug]

Years ago, he's. It was a great addition.

[Nick]

It was green, you know, true story about that. My friend's dad owned a VW dealer, and for Christmas, he took some of the skis away from one of the vehicles, wrapped it and put it under the tree, and that's what he got for Christmas.

[Doug]

You know, speaking of 90s Volkswagen, should we talk Harlequin for a second? Ooh, pull up a picture of a Golf Harlequin.

[Nick]

Love those.

[Doug]

You know that. You know how they made them?

[Filippo]

Yeah, of course.

[Nick]

Different panels from different cars, right? They reassembled it.

[Doug]

That's exactly right. The Golf Harlequin was made. Volkswagen for a while sold this. This multicolored car. There were four colors. The color of the car is the color. The yellow, it's the base color that can't really be changed. And so they would make. They made 100 of each in their factory. And then when the car was built, they unscrewed the panels and I mean, it was way easier than trying to paint each panel, obviously. Right? They unscrewed the panels and they all had. And each car had a thing. Like, every yellow car had a blue door. Like, they all had place they were supposed to go. Here's a story for you. In the 1996 Atlanta Olympics, the Golf Harlequin was like the car. It was like, drove around the athletes. There were like dozens of them. And at the end of the Olympics, the Golf Harlequin went to the local Volkswagen dealership in Atlanta. And I knew the people who worked there, and they told me that after that they had four or five of them left on their lot, like a year later. Nobody wanted this multicolored Golf.

[Nick]

And so one night they swapped him Back.

[Doug]

They took it back because it was the only way to sell this track.

[Nick]

Was there no special badging or anything to say like Harley?

[Doug]

There was the interior.

[Filippo]

You think you need the badge.

[Nick]

I'm sure you get a little fish wire, you could take it off.

[Doug]

The interior had this multi color pattern which was only on the harlequins. They had a Polo harlequin in Europe too. I think it's the coolest thing in the world. But at the time you could see that maybe you wouldn't want to spend like 25 grand on a. Yeah.

[Filippo]

You know, the biggest highlight here is they sold the Golf in great colors. Now the Golf silver is not offered in these colors.

[Doug]

Only the harlequin was offered. I think one of these colors was on the Golf. But the rest of them were also unique to the Harlequin.

[Filippo]

Huh.

[Doug]

Like Chagall blue. I don't remember the color names.

[Filippo]

Do we have it in ginseng yellow, Ginster yellow base.

[Doug]

Okay, that's your stack of green.

[Filippo]

Tornado red, Chagall blue.

[Doug]

Well done. Anyway, back to the ketchup. Volkswagen does weird things and now they're offering ketchup. And unfortunately you cannot get a Jetta with a tomato.

[Filippo]

Is that what the new Jetta Jedi looks like? The post facelift. Who knew?

[Doug]

I. Yeah, I was just thinking the other day, like what manufacturers are not selling cars anymore? And Volkswagen came to mind. I was like, no, they still have. They still have it, but they, they don't sell the Golf here anymore. Right. It's just the GTI and the Golf R. Correct. Things are changing. Yeah.

[Filippo]

The whole new world. Not the 90s anymore.

[Doug]

Europe. Volkswagen sells a convertible SUV called the T Rock Cabriolet and they have for years. Yeah. It's front wheel drive only though, right?

[Filippo]

I believe. I don't know.

[Nick]

That sounds like a good car for you to import.

[Doug]

Give us.

[Filippo]

Here's our next news story.

[Doug]

It's about new Ram Heavy duty has been released and it has an absolute, absolutely ridiculous grill. There are lines everywhere. Now. It's hard to see the resolution of our camera, but there are lines. Line, line, line, line, line, line, line, line, line. It looks like a baleen whale.

[Nick]

It looks like it's going to be a lot of fun to clean, but it's a truck. Who's cleaning trucks?

[Filippo]

We're going to try to find new photos.

[Doug]

You don't think anybody's cleaning?

[Nick]

I mean, not to the like obsessive Canon and Filipo with the Fiat 500.

[Filippo]

Thank you for watching our video.

[Doug]

You know, I will say also the interesting thing about these trucks with the grills. There you go. You can kind of see it a little bit better. Look at all those lines. There's up, there's vertical lines. There's horizontal lines, there's normal lines. Those vehicles kill people. Do we agree? Oh, yeah.

[Filippo]

100.

[Doug]

Okay. There's no pedestrian regulations for vehicles like this. They can have grills. I mean, this grill's got to be 4,5ft high. Yep.

[Filippo]

It will murder children. It'll be very tragic.

[Doug]

Wow.

[Nick]

Well, you get the cyber truck, also.

[Filippo]

Known for comparatively lower, harder, doesn't deform.

[Nick]

But compared to number three, it's fine.

[Filippo]

What? Why are we talking about this?

[Doug]

Because it's a face lifted.

[Nick]

I think it real design has jumped the shark. This is yet another manufacturer trying to.

[Doug]

I remember years ago, I did a review on the Super Duty and the Ford badge was the size of a license plate. And that was crazy. And now, I mean, my Toyota badge on my Sequoia is the size of Filippo. I'm not exaggerating. Lie down.

[Filippo]

Right, Right. That RAM badge might as well be the size of a child.

[Doug]

Right. It's kind of disappointing, but that's the world we're living in now.

[Filippo]

But it's a lot of plastic, which is interesting.

[Doug]

Give me another news story. Give me a robot mic. Oh, yes. This is an interesting one. Go ahead.

[Filippo]

INEOS is pausing production of the Grenadier and Quartermaster, which is their pickup truck, for they say about a year due to some part delays. Now it is legitimately apparently driven by part supply.

[Doug]

I heard they don't know how long. Months.

[Nick]

They're pulling a Jaguar.

[Filippo]

So they do say that it's solely due to some key part. They haven't said which one from a supplier that's not available. But you gotta assume they're kind of happy about this.

[Doug]

Well, okay. So I don't think it has anything to do with a part. Ineos. Dealers are loaded with ineos.

[Filippo]

I like Nei.

[Doug]

I think they're cool. But they are not hard to find. They are hard to buy.

[Filippo]

They are very oversold right now.

[Doug]

Overproduced and at dealers. And so I have a suspicion whenever an automaker says parts, there's a parts delay. We're pausing production. You don't pause production. You got to sell in order to continue to make. I mean to generate.

[Filippo]

They are certainly content with there not being additional inventory at their dealer lots.

[Doug]

One wonders what the real story is. I'll put it that way.

[Filippo]

I could be a little bit of both.

[Doug]

I don't think.

[Filippo]

Tell your supplier. Stop producing the part. Well, yeah, then there's a shortage of the part.

[Doug]

Listen, I'll tell you this. I'll tell you this. If you're in a position where your car is doing incredibly well, you find a way. You get a part. You get the part. You don't pause production for six months. You find another supplier or you have your supplier signed. I mean, suppliers generally can't get out of this kind of stuff. This is an interesting situation.

[Filippo]

Can I note there are a lot of videos. Granted, they're everywhere, which it's stunning. I'm surprised by how much adoption there has been in wealthy coastal neighborhoods on.

[Doug]

Nantucket this summer, which is a big four wheel drive culture. There were. I don't know, I saw 30 of them.

[Filippo]

It's like here in San Diego.

[Doug]

Yeah, I got three neighbors who have them literally within a few blocks of my house. It's like the thing.

[Filippo]

You know what? You will never see a quarter master. Do you know how. Do you know how much the pick truck costs?

[Doug]

Well, it's subject to the chicken tax. It is.

[Filippo]

Do you know how much it costs?

[Doug]

Well, 25% more than it should.

[Filippo]

Correct.

[Doug]

It's like 90.

[Filippo]

It's 95 grand. If memory service for the base pickup Grenadier.

[Doug]

The chicken tax, screwsy. It always has. That's the problem.

[Filippo]

Then you need to pull a Ford Transit connect and assemble it here. Well, take the seats in and then take them out.

[Doug]

It's. It's a pickup thing though. It only works that like that with vans.

[Nick]

Hmm. They do have lease specials. I've been seeing Facebook ads for it and that's like a investment hypothesis I have for like a family offices. Figure out who's pushing the best lease deals on Facebook and then short those stocks.

[Filippo]

It's a great point.

[Nick]

It was. It was a canary. Canary in the coal mine for the future of any of.

[Filippo]

Unfortunately it is every car right now.

[Doug]

If you're running the Johnson and Johnson family office, here is a great idea for you. What do you think the Johnson Johnson.

[Filippo]

Family office is called? Because I doubt it's Johnson and Johnson.

[Doug]

No, they got some name. Big Johnson, Toyota and Lexus are not. In short, they don't. Except for the BZ4X which is the worst car on sale. Do we. Can we just say that as a. As a podcast? Can we take a position podcast?

[Filippo]

I will ponder. We'll come back next week and I will Tara worse.

[Doug]

Do you think the BZ4X is uglier?

[Filippo]

Yeah. Agreed.

[Doug]

So it's slightly worse.

[Filippo]

I will put some real thought over the next week.

[Doug]

Worst car on this. Yeah, you're thinking about the Volkswagen Atlas crossback or whatever it's called. Those are cheap though.

[Filippo]

Not the Q4e tron, Q4 etron. And honestly so does infinity Q60 or 50, whichever one is still for sale.

[Doug]

Dude. Yesterday. So I asked him and Sam to name all the current infinities, the lineup and they both said products that don't exist anymore. No. Oh yeah, Filippo. Still nonetheless, I would like credit for.

[Filippo]

Getting them all correct, just not all of them.

[Doug]

Okay, so anyway, Ineos pausing production. No surprise. They're. They are oversupplied. Whether or not they say it's a supplier, there's been talk maybe it's Recaro because of the seats. That could be true, but other manufacturers aren't having that issue. I suspect it's an issue of oversupply. Yeah.

[Filippo]

Regardless, even if it is part related, they're probably pretty content.

[Doug]

There are cars that are early adopter cars and this is one of them. Like I think the early people get it. They're excited, they pay sticker, they pay over. So it's hard after that to find the segment. And once I started seeing how many of these are showing up at the INEOS dealers, I was really surprised. This is never production because I mean.

[Filippo]

India's like a legitimate company. I'm not surprised. They had the supply chain part issue aside. Mostly figured out to get cars to lots, but it maybe hurt them too.

[Doug]

Yeah, and I think they may be over sized. Over decided how many people would actually want.

[Filippo]

They named it after a pub in England where they made the decision to create.

[Doug]

I think the whole thing's a little silly. I think they're cool though.

[Nick]

I wish there was a convert British to do all of the above.

[Filippo]

Correct?

[Doug]

Yeah, correct.

[Filippo]

And I am impressed by how much it looks like a defender.

[Doug]

Yeah, it looks cool as hell. You see him around. It legitimately looks cool as hell. And I will say regardless of the current oversupply situation, they have kind of proven to Land Rover. Hey, there were people who were interested in this, right? Like if Land Rover had done it and done it to on on their terms, I bet it would have been a successful car and instead they left it to somebody else and they've done okay. I don't think the powertrain works. I think a lot of the tech is wonky. But like they've shown, hey, there actually are people, rich people with real money willing to buy this car. And maybe Landover should have given that a thought before making the Defender like a suburban transport vehicle.

[Filippo]

And if you want to learn more about it, Doug does have a full review, full review on his YouTube channel.

[Doug]

Full review.

[Filippo]

We're going to move on to the next topic. The GR Corolla. It's now available with an automatic transmission.

[Doug]

You seen this?

[Filippo]

How much you can get? You can get, I believe, an eight speed automatic. Now how much do you think it is cheaper or more expensive than the regular GR Corolla to do?

[Nick]

So I'm going to go with no cost option.

[Doug]

No cost option. That's what it should be. Instead it's two grand more.

[Filippo]

So you could buy a Jira Corolla with a manual or you could spend two grand which is 5% of the sale of the MSRP to get.

[Doug]

And it's not, it's going to resell worse.

[Filippo]

Oh there's no doubt. So much worse.

[Doug]

And so the question is. So you're, you're paying more, you're going to lose more, period. I mean there's no question about that. And it's just, it's just a torque converter auto. Yeah, here's my question.

[Filippo]

They have some BS name for Right, I'm sure.

[Doug]

But my question is, are they going to sell any? Is anyone going to purchase?

[Filippo]

Well, so keep in mind that people put man automatics and first gen Vipers because they were boomers who really wanted automatic. It was an aftermarket option but you see them pop up sometimes.

[Doug]

Really?

[Filippo]

Maybe, yeah.

[Nick]

I was going to say people that, you know, either had a disability or had a legitimate need to not.

[Filippo]

But they're not buying a jerk Corolla.

[Doug]

I agree. I think that those people will do it. So that's the small portion of the. Is anyone else gonna do it?

[Filippo]

None.

[Doug]

People who don't want to sit in traffic, I guess.

[Filippo]

Why buy a jerk Corolla?

[Doug]

Well, you want to have some fun but you gotta. You got a long commute.

[Filippo]

Do you think they're gonna get buyers that just want an all wheel drive Corolla like hatchback. It's the only Corolla hashtag available with all wheel drive.

[Doug]

That's interesting. I was behind a Focus ST today that was going very slowly and I was thinking to myself does this person just want a stick Focus? And it was. Or a white Focus and it was like at the dealer and so the seats look cool. So they did it.

[Nick]

You know, maybe you get a good deal on it.

[Doug]

You probably will.

[Nick]

So that'll apply to the Filippo and I category.

[Filippo]

I would never Buy the automatic version of this car ever.

[Nick]

What if it was really cheap?

[Filippo]

No, half off.

[Doug]

No, half off.

[Nick]

Half off and free oil changes for.

[Doug]

Life.

[Nick]

And you get a Toyota B and Lion.

[Filippo]

I do wonder if the market is like. Like you and your wife have a Ford Focus as an automatic despite that being the worst transmission known to man. It just was.

[Nick]

It is. Yeah. It's bad.

[Filippo]

Would you. If you want a jerk Corolla, but you want your significant other who can't drive a manual, maybe you would buy the automatic.

[Doug]

Yeah.

[Nick]

Again, it like, it should only be like myself.

[Doug]

Why is this so rough? Why? What is going. Why did this cost $48,000?

[Nick]

You don't tell her it's the GR. You just. I got you a Corolla. It's a basic car, no frills, just like you asked.

[Doug]

I once had that idea.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Doug]

I was going to get my wife a Grand Cherokee srt. Do you remember this? And I was going to pull the badges. This was a legitimate idea that I had and I kind of took it to some conclusion. But I didn't do that. But I really, really, really thought about it.

[Nick]

It would be a little loud. She may not notice.

[Doug]

She would not think that she would notice the noise. I really don't. She's around my loud cars all the time. She's probably like normalized noise. Like I think it would be fine.

[Filippo]

But my wife now notices things that I don't expect but that I would never notice. For example, there's a Honda Prologue parked in front of my house. That's what's getting picked up. She. I had not noticed that the badge is a different Honda spelling on the.

[Doug]

You didn't notice. That's like the only cool thing about.

[Filippo]

The X. I was busy admiring the color and the Blazer ness. And she hates it apparently. But like she came in and said, I can't believe this looks like that. I hate that.

[Doug]

I think it's cool. It's futuristic.

[Filippo]

But you know, maybe your wife would notice the color or she'd notice like the giant breaks or color, but not the.

[Doug]

I think we'd get with that.

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[Nick]

I am surprised at how many TRD edition Camrys that I see around. And you're like, it's just a body kit. So the person wanted an automatic practical car that also looked like a little sporty.

[Filippo]

So if you are like, I want.

[Nick]

A Corolla, but I want a sporty looking one. But I also don't. I'm not a car enthusiast.

[Filippo]

The base Corolla hatchback, it's like sporty.

[Doug]

Looking and they offer a sport one that isn't the GR. Also, you know what I realized about those Camry TRDs? I was in New York City where the Avalon is like the main car for the Ubers and like I saw like 12 Avalon TRDs and it hit me. Those were. Those guys showed up at the dealer. There wasn't a regular Avalon. So they're like, all right, I'll take the trd. And I bet that's a lot of the cameras.

[Nick]

Probably. Yeah. There's one I know in particular that I'm like, I know this person and they're not a TRD buyer. I think that just what was available.

[Filippo]

I will say I found five more buyers. I think there's five people in Vermont who bought an STI when it was new because they wanted an all wheel drive hot hat.

[Doug]

Those are all. Yeah.

[Filippo]

But now they're ready for auto. They will buy those. And we found all 10 buyers.

[Doug]

Right.

[Nick]

Good job.

[Doug]

Okay, moving on to the talk cars segment where we are going to talk about. About cars.

[Filippo]

Whoa.

[Doug]

And I want to start with a topic that I think is really important, which is road rage. It hit me the other day.

[Filippo]

Not, not, not, not.

[Doug]

You heard this theory of mine yet?

[Filippo]

Oh, it's the best Doug theory I've heard.

[Doug]

Watching YouTube videos with road rage as.

[Filippo]

I do Reddit.com roadcam no, no.

[Doug]

On YouTube I recommend me road rage videos, all sorts of things like that. My YouTube is road rage compilations and weird things that happen in major league baseball games.

[Filippo]

That's like it like the guy hitting a bird.

[Doug]

Yeah, stuff like that. I watch.

[Filippo]

It could actually happen on either video. Something for the audience to think about.

[Doug]

Here's my road rage contention. A lot of people out there seem to enjoy getting in road rage. And so my view is if you're going to get in road rage, you should engage with a driver of a first generation Nissan Leaf. Because those cars initially 12 years ago only had 64 miles of range. And these days they're probably down to about 30 miles of range. And so my thinking is engage in a road rage incident with them, they can't chase you. So if you're out on the road and you're thinking, I'm mad and I really want to rage at somebody, seek out a Nissan Leaf, first generation.

[Filippo]

And it's a brilliant idea.

[Nick]

They're also statistically less likely to be gun owners, I would imagine, which having lived in Arizona a while, that is calculus you do before you road rage on someone.

[Doug]

Sure is calculus.

[Nick]

What do you mean? You see an NRA bumper sticker or pickup, you don't mess with them on the same level you would a Leaf owner.

[Doug]

It's true.

[Filippo]

For so many reasons. But if you. The same argument could be made about IMYEV owners.

[Doug]

Yeah, well, if you can find one.

[Filippo]

They're so pathetic, right? That you don't want to.

[Doug]

That's true.

[Filippo]

No offense.

[Doug]

I'm the opponent. You have to say, hey, you've had.

[Filippo]

About a year, decade, two decades, but.

[Doug]

A first gen Leaf. And you got to assume if they're driving, they've already. So let's say they. 64 miles range in 2012. Now they're down to like 35.

[Filippo]

You can tell. By the way, if you ever want to buy a Nissan Leaf, those waves, you know, doesn't matter.

[Doug]

They're now down to 35 miles of range, right? Yeah. But if they're driving, they've probably at least used three or four miles of range already.

[Filippo]

If they're on the highway, they're at one mile, regardless of how long they've been on the highway.

[Doug]

And if they do try to chase you, at the very least you can take Solson, knowing they won't have air conditioning for it, because if they turn on their air conditioning, they'd lose like 10 more miles of range. And so that's a little road rage tip for you.

[Filippo]

And they look like a frog.

[Doug]

Yeah, it's weird looking car.

[Filippo]

Okay, Nick, that is an excellent takeaway for our entire audience.

[Doug]

Thank you. Thank you. It's going to be hard to so many people to find a first generation.

[Nick]

You're also assuming someone's doing calculated, premeditated road rage, which.

[Filippo]

Don't you just want to do road rage? I think just rage.

[Nick]

I do have this fantasy that if I won the lottery and had infinite money, like, I would rear end people if they weren't quick enough at the lights and like kind of just nudge them off, not to harm them, but just to like penalize them for being too slow when I'm trying to get somewhere.

[Filippo]

You are like one step away from owning.

[Doug]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Nick]

Like a Rezvani would be a great car.

[Doug]

Or the Terra, whatever.

[Filippo]

Right.

[Doug]

The Gurkha. It's not up yet.

[Filippo]

It's not yet.

[Nick]

Okay.

[Doug]

Okay, Nick, update us about your Maserati Quattroporte.

[Nick]

All right, so the QP5 is. I've gotten it. It's been a whirlwind already, but we.

[Filippo]

Have all seen it outside of one spot. It looks great.

[Nick]

Yes. I pulled the paint Removing paint protection, film. But I've done some good things, too. I changed the oil. So on pressure washed it, pressure washed the engine. Had a little issues there. But the big issue was the title. So the guy sends me the title. And this was after a lot of back and forth with a very sketchy person, with a. With a person where we. We called off the deal twice. I canceled shipping. It was like a whole thing. And the title finally arrives, and it's missing a signature.

[Doug]

So, no, I told him to you.

[Filippo]

Have possession of the car. That's nine tenths of the law.

[Doug]

No, I said, look, the title's missing a signature. The guy is sketchy. Just sign it.

[Filippo]

Yeah, Nick, of course, does not actually advocate for. I was a good.

[Nick]

A good Samaritan. And I. I sent it back to him because I didn't want to be accused of title fraud. But he already has the full payment for the vehicle. So in theory, he could have taken that title and said, hey, some guy in California stole my car. Here's the title. Here's the proof of ownership. And it would. I don't know if it would work or not, but you could try.

[Filippo]

He also sent you the title before he sent you the car, so you could have done the same thing. You'd already shown that you're.

[Nick]

And that was why this deal took over a month, was we were both running those hypotheticals, assuming the other guy was going to scam each other. And we just came to stalemate so many times.

[Doug]

Nick was going to scare him because Nick's the type of guy who's buying a used Quattroporte. The problem is that Nick's buying the car from the type of guy who's selling a used Quattroporte.

[Nick]

And, you know, earlier in the transaction, when I sent proof of funds, he's like, I got more money than you. Like, it kept being like this weird contest.

[Filippo]

And then what did you send him? What photo?

[Doug]

No, we talked about this last week.

[Nick]

We talked about it. So anyways, the story continues that he said, all right, I will have the title signed, but I want extra money for the inconvenience.

[Doug]

Even though the guy himself wasn't the one, he didn't sign the title correctly in the first place. He asked for more money from Nick for the inconvenience of him having to sign the title correctly.

[Filippo]

Didn't you previously send him more money to overnight you a title that he then just pocketed?

[Nick]

I sent him thirty dollars for overnighting. He showed me a picture of the five dollar Postage.

[Doug]

He pocketed the twenty five bucks and it took like weeks.

[Nick]

He got lost and it took a week to go from TE to Montana to where, Nick?

[Doug]

California, I think you said.

[Nick]

Yeah, yeah, of course. But anyway, so I.

[Filippo]

Which county though?

[Nick]

I decided not to explain to him how I was the one being inconvenienced. I drove the car without it being registered for a week and thankfully that the title actually did arrive back. We are bros now we're exchanging photos and like, what's sending you photos of his Audi RS7. And I'm not sure why, other than.

[Filippo]

What'S.

[Nick]

The only one that I know of the first color is it latest one, Nardo Grey.

[Filippo]

Is he looking to sell? Would you recommend him as a seller?

[Nick]

I was so worried because we talked badly upon him on the last podcast before the title had been received. And I'm like, oh my gosh, if he listens, I have a feeling he's going to keep this title.

[Doug]

But at least now we can say the transaction is done and the sketchiest man in the world has sold the second sketchiest man in the world, a Quattroporte. Officially, we're both all right people. Some very fine people on both sides.

[Nick]

There he is. Thank you. That's exactly what I was looking for.

[Doug]

Well, I'm glad that you got it done, Nick. And I'm so excited to see the Quattroporte start to appear on the channel. When are the videos start to go live?

[Nick]

Soon. I've got about three half filmed here. It is currently having the wheels redone in silver, which I know will make you very happy.

[Doug]

Very happy.

[Nick]

They were factory black, but it wasn't.

[Doug]

Well, they were factory black. Yeah, well, it looked bad because I think blue wheels on a black car with blue, black wheels on a blue car look stupid. It's like wearing a blue shirt and black, like it doesn't match.

[Nick]

But it was end of the run and Maserati was trying to find a way to make the product no one wanted a little more exciting. Black wheels were really, at the time.

[Doug]

That was what you should have tried, was selling it for $17,000 or $13,000 or whatever you paid.

[Nick]

Oh, it is worth every penny. I love this car for 14 grand.

[Doug]

I'm sure you do. And it's been reliable. Yeah, he came down to a week. He drove my son at a birthday party the day he drove his whole family to the party in it, his wife, kids, and made it.

[Nick]

We made it round trip.

[Doug]

They all show up in a Maserati crop toporte. With fictitious license plates because at the time, the title hadn't come in yet. So you're doing great, Nick. Apparently, pretty soon we are all going to be going to the desert in cars that are cheap. And the Quattroporte is one of them and there will be others. And it's going to be a video series. We'll have more on that on the YouTube.

[Filippo]

It's gonna be quite an exciting series.

[Doug]

Give us a talk cars, please.

[Filippo]

Yeah, I want to talk about a kind of a preference thing. So went live today on cars and beds. So we're filming this a little bit early.

[Doug]

Yes.

[Filippo]

There are two very green cars.

[Doug]

Yes.

[Filippo]

That just went live on cars and beds. One is an AMG GTR coupe in Green Hell Magno.

[Doug]

Yeah.

[Filippo]

YouTube don't demonetize us. That's what Mercedes called it.

[Doug]

Yeah.

[Filippo]

And a Huracan Evo in Verde Mantis.

[Doug]

Before you got here. He was like, would either of you drive. Ever drive a car? And I was like, I wouldn't get one of these two cars if it wasn't in these colors.

[Filippo]

Hurricane.

[Doug]

Cool car.

[Filippo]

But this is just such a. I can't.

[Doug]

That's what they are.

[Filippo]

I can't.

[Doug]

That's what they are.

[Filippo]

I just can't.

[Doug]

Do you agree?

[Nick]

It's like the Mansari. That's the point.

[Doug]

That's the point.

[Nick]

To be obnoxious.

[Filippo]

I actually love this green. The green Hell Magna is a great car.

[Doug]

I wouldn't get a GTR in anything but green Hell Magna. That's the color. It's.

[Filippo]

It's such a color. It's so color.

[Doug]

Yeah, but that's the.

[Filippo]

That's blue. Blue on your four. GT looks wonderful.

[Doug]

This guy has seven cars. And so when he wants to go crazy, he drives this. When he wants to daily, he's got an Escalade.

[Nick]

Were either of these the press color?

[Doug]

This was?

[Nick]

Yeah. Because I think of. So think of the Verde Ethica with Murcia Lagos. There's a lot of cars where, like, the green is iconic. So, yeah. I think this being the press color. Yes. On the Huracan. I don't know.

[Doug]

Hurricane, but you got to have it in some loud.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Doug]

Like people who get black. I don't get it. It totally hides the color of the fur.

[Filippo]

Country sold that.

[Doug]

That Arancio Argos looks really cool.

[Filippo]

Rosso Pura I'm into.

[Nick]

You know, I really like lizard green on the GT3 RSS you're trying to put. There's certain cars where it works.

[Filippo]

I want my Cars all silver brown.

[Doug]

Color into a non classy car. The Huracan isn't classy and never will be. It's a, it's an in your face crazy thing. So you get it in your face crazy color. When I was looking for Lotus Elises back 10 years ago, I will never forget how many were silver and gray. And it was like, you guys don't get the point of a Lotus Elise.

[Filippo]

No, I want my Lotus be gray.

[Doug]

No. Yeah, I wanted Krypton green, which was this. But I couldn't afford it.

[Nick]

Yeah. And honestly, shopping for my QP5, I said I will not buy a silver, black or white. It has to be a color. I honestly don't care beyond that, but it has to be a color. I don't want a grayscale.

[Doug]

Have you seen the Bentley? There was a Bentley in here in which is purple on purple. And I'm not saying it's like some purple on the interior, the carpets, the whole thing. It's a Bentley press car that I have and they call the color Damson.

[Nick]

Damn, son.

[Doug]

All right.

[Filippo]

Damn, son.

[Doug]

You got a purple Bentley.

[Filippo]

So I'm, I'm alone.

[Doug]

You are alone. If you get a car like this, that's what you want. You're crazy.

[Filippo]

I'm not the market for a car.

[Nick]

Later on I'm gonna sell you a automatic GR Corolla and lizard green. Real good deal.

[Filippo]

I would only buy it.

[Nick]

You're gonna throw in transmission fluid flushes.

[Doug]

He knows you're an incredible fluid. A little coolant.

[Filippo]

You don't have to change it.

[Doug]

It's fluid. By the way, speaking of this, you know what, do you know what the genesis, the end up genesis of that Sequoia oil change thing was? Remember I said on the podcast I have to drive cross country and get my oil changed? You know what happened? I took it to the dealership in Hyannis, Massachusetts and they said the oil change is actually not till 10,000 miles. The 5,000 mile service. I swear to God. He said it's going to take us an hour. But he said we rotate your tires, we check your floor mat positioning and we check your fluids. And I said, sir, can I have my keys back? And I left and I drove the car 3,500 miles.

[Filippo]

I will say you told me this and I looked it up. It does say that if you're driving in more difficult conditions, such as maybe on the beach every single day or exclusively on 3,000 miles at a time. Yeah, you should probably.

[Doug]

I'm going to get the oil change to 8,500 miles to compensate for that.

[Filippo]

What are you at right now?

[Doug]

8,500. I'm going to take it to Moss.

[Filippo]

I was worried you were at 8,000 and it would take you a year to get the last 500.

[Doug]

I'm also a little bit of an orphan with the Sequoia because I bought it from Toyota Long beach, shout out to my guys. I actually did the whole transaction over text message when I was sitting in Washington Square park in Manhattan, I swear to God, including the wire. And so I. I bought it at Long Beach Toyota. And so they don't accept me at the other Toyota deals. The first thing they say is, did you buy it here? And I'm like, no. And they're like, well, sir, they don't.

[Filippo]

Need to ask you that. They haven't sold a TRD Pro Sequoia in years.

[Doug]

I would have bought it here if you had one. Anyway, so the Sequoia is going to get its oil change. It's getting cleaned right now.

[Filippo]

Wow. It's got. It was rough.

[Doug]

It was so rough. You should have seen how much sand was in this thing, I bet. I mean, it was so bad and like shells and crab pieces and it was just.

[Filippo]

A lot of the trunk was shells.

[Doug]

Shells was a lot of the trunk. I meant to take him back to the beach, but I. I forgot, to be honest.

[Filippo]

Can I mention one tall car slash news topic before we move on?

[Doug]

No.

[Filippo]

Are you familiar with the Civic? The Honda Civic?

[Doug]

Yes.

[Filippo]

There are many trim levels. There's a regular one, there's a hybrid one, and there's the Civic si. Yeah, that's a Civic type part, but we don't talk about that one. Which do you think is most powerful?

[Nick]

Can I go with Decompressed National Natural Gas?

[Doug]

Can they still offer that?

[Filippo]

No, they haven't.

[Nick]

I would assume the SI is the most powerful.

[Filippo]

That's a fair assumption. Yeah. Not correct.

[Doug]

So The Hybrid has 200 horse, the.

[Filippo]

Si has 200 horsepower, but the Hybrid has something like 40 more pound feet of torque than the Si. The Hybrid's torque and it's a faster 0 to 62.

[Doug]

And the Si's torque is 192. Wow.

[Filippo]

40.

[Doug]

40 more pound feet in the Hybrid.

[Filippo]

The hybrid is more powerful and it has a faster zero to 60 times than the SI.

[Doug]

Do they still offer the hybrid with three PEDs? No, Nick and I are three PED guys. What can I say?

[Filippo]

Right, so like, the SI makes sense.

[Doug]

I'm sure it's lighter with three pedals right now. Do you? No, you don't.

[Nick]

Four automatics.

[Filippo]

That's true before, too. When was the last time you had a manual car?

[Doug]

Oh, that's so true.

[Nick]

Yeah, the R8 or Rs4. No, R8 was the most recent.

[Filippo]

Years.

[Doug]

Years. Me and you, at least.

[Filippo]

So if you want the fastest Honda Civic, get the Hyper. Get the Hyper if you want. If you pull up in a Civic SI next to another Civic, don't drag race because they're faster.

[Doug]

Well, what if it's a Type R?

[Filippo]

If you're in the Type R. No, no, no.

[Doug]

The Type R is faster. Yeah.

[Filippo]

Fastest.

[Doug]

The Integra Type S, but.

[Filippo]

But the Hybrid gets you the best fuel economy, the best 060 time and the most torque. Someone to consider.

[Doug]

It's crazy.

[Nick]

Then you could go road rage against a Leaf and outrun them with.

[Filippo]

I think you can do that. Including in a cng.

[Doug]

Yeah, you could do that in any car. That's another benefit, actually.

[Filippo]

You can do that on like a moped if you try hard enough.

[Doug]

The new Civic Hybrid. 50 miles per gallon combined. 49 combined.

[Filippo]

And I think you get a hatch.

[Doug]

Is there any drawback to this car? No. Okay. We've said that the Toyota BZ4X is the worst car on sale. The Civic Hybrid is the best.

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[Doug]

Faster than the Civic Si, 50 miles per gallon. What else do you need, Mike? Robot agrees. Okay, Filippo, give us our next topic, please. Oh, the market report. It's time for the market report where we talk about the car market and.

[Filippo]

Who they're brought to you by.

[Doug]

Brought to you by Cars and Bids. The finest car marketplace in the world. Selling and buying cars has never been easier than on carsandbids.com. free listings for sellers.

[Filippo]

I really wish you had said that part into the mic, but it's fine.

[Doug]

Okay. All right, we got some market report topics. One topic I want to talk about.

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[Doug]

Model S Signature. Can we. Can you pull up a Model S Signature? Yeah, please. That one. Pull that one up. No, that one.

[Nick]

For the folks for 90s. What's the signature edition?

[Doug]

Okay. The Tesla Model S comes out. It is obviously one of the most important cars of our lifetime. I mean, you can't say anything of it at the time. We didn't know that though. Right. Like it was just another startup BS car. Right. They made the first thousand of them were the signature model, which was red with these gray wheels. They were signed by Elon Musk.

[Nick]

Is that true?

[Doug]

And they were all. I don't remember. I don't remember.

[Nick]

This is like the foundation Series, but.

[Doug]

It was like the very beginning. Well, sort of, except the foundation series turns out to now be the first.

[Filippo]

Model year Longer Sinclair. But yeah, this is like legitimately the first thousand.

[Doug]

Vince, I have a theory that these are going to be valuable cars.

[Filippo]

I mean this already is 53 grand in 2022 for a super low mile one.

[Doug]

But I really think when you think about Tesla and the impact it's had and will continue to obviously have on the car market, this is like where it started. The Roadster is where it started. But that's kind of a compromised car that doesn't really fit in with any of the ethos of any car they made later. This was like the very beginning, 2012, the very first cars. I have a suspicion that in 20 years we look back and say, I mean they're good, the door handles be broken and the screen, et cetera, et cetera, we look back and say this was the beginning, this is.

[Filippo]

Next thing you're going to talk about is the same thing for Nissan Leaf.

[Doug]

No, those cars had no impact. The Volt and the Leaf, the first.

[Filippo]

Gen Leaf had an impact.

[Doug]

It had a very small at the time, 64 miles of range I get from one end of the Dallas metro area to the other.

[Filippo]

I don't disagree with you. I mean like the Signature is things that help it limited defined by the vin, which I think does help for.

[Doug]

Like collectability, limited production and they were truly special cars. They had their own color, their own wheels, like it was something to identify them.

[Filippo]

Yeah, I don't disagree with you. And like we saw roadster values go up a lot in the last few years. Yep, those are different. Different body style. I think it hurts it that the model is still.

[Doug]

Yeah, I think this happens anytime soon.

[Filippo]

But I agree with you. I think it'll be important.

[Doug]

But I think as we look back and as other Model S sort of are just normal cars, we're going to say what was, where did Tesla begin? I think and when you look at the beginning of some really important cars, some of them have really become like valuable commodities. Like the original Ford Explorer, you can get one of them. I mean those are six, seven grand now. No, but really I truly think, I think you're right about this car. Like someday well preserved Model S signatures are going to be valuable.

[Filippo]

The beginning of the generation in 2012 and the end of the generation in 2050 will both, at the very end and very beginning will both be desirable.

[Doug]

That's so true.

[Filippo]

This is a good point. Yeah, good insight.

[Doug]

I also think it looks really cool. Like I'm not a big Model S guy. I think it's kind of a boring looking car. But specifically the signature, this red color is cool. The wheels are cool. It actually had kind of like a special effect to it and it really was the beginning of a whole new world. Like that has not stopped since then.

[Filippo]

Do you remember seeing them out for the first time?

[Doug]

When I was walking around. I lived in Atlanta when this car came out and I remember walking down the street in a nice neighborhood and there was one in a drive when I was like, what? Somebody bought one of these stupid cars. A stupid Tesla. Like, what an idiot. And it was a signature like this. And I still remember that. That was in 2012.

[Filippo]

It was the first really like the real. We have actual range. It's a normal car. Doesn't look like a Leaf.

[Doug]

Yeah, the Leaf came out for the 10 model year. This came out for the 12 model year. Come out around like 11:12. But like this was this Tesla obviously is the company that changed the E space forever.

[Filippo]

You of course remember this doesn't have three rows, but the Model S early, you could have rear facing.

[Doug]

Yeah, they offered it for a long time.

[Filippo]

I don't think this had it.

[Doug]

And no longer the Model S signature. Such a cool looking car. Okay, Nick, give us a market take, please.

[Nick]

All right. Another car I am interested in, although it would continue. My shameful record of Automatics is a CLK63 black series.

[Doug]

We just sold one.

[Nick]

Just sold an amazing one. Okay. I would only want it in silver.

[Doug]

Yep.

[Nick]

Contrary to our previous discussion.

[Doug]

Yep.

[Nick]

What silver color work?

[Filippo]

It was what black.

[Doug]

They offered them in black, white, red. There are reds around. But silver was like perfect.

[Nick]

It really showcases the fenders and the wide body. What makes it not a $8,000 CLK base?

[Doug]

Correct.

[Filippo]

Yeah. It's a gorgeous car.

[Nick]

And during COVID I remember sitting around our car group and we all said, oh, we missed the mark.

[Doug]

They're.

[Nick]

They're now going for 110, 120.

[Doug]

They were going up.

[Nick]

They're gone.

[Doug]

Yep.

[Nick]

And not just this one. This one actually was a good result. They're all now selling in like 80. You can maybe buy to like 100 buys. Maybe an extremely low mile one. But they've come down and I just think that's such a buy.

[Doug]

Such a buy. It is such a special car. They only made it for what, one or two model years. They're really rare. They look really, really, really cool.

[Filippo]

700, 700 global.

[Doug]

So it's like a real thing. And it's not 700 global of some trim level. It, like, actually had distinctive stuff.

[Nick]

It's a very special car. And at car week this year, you know what car got the most attention? CLK gtr.

[Doug]

Okay, well, that's.

[Nick]

It's slightly different. It's a little more modified. But I'm just saying, like, there is, like, a. The heritage of this car, the specialness. It's not like.

[Filippo]

You're so right.

[Nick]

Vaporware.

[Filippo]

Same car?

[Nick]

Yeah, same car.

[Doug]

Completely different generation, 2nd gen.

[Filippo]

Which one is this? I can't tell.

[Doug]

It's a newer one.

[Nick]

The headlights are conjoined instead of separate. A joke.

[Doug]

I do.

[Nick]

Generally, it's not an ass park owl. It's not some, like, vaporware car. Like, it's for 91.

[Doug]

This is cool. Believe it or not, I actually wrote on my list, separate from you, that the CLK GTR is kind of a deal. Yeah, it is. When you think about the production level and when you think about how cool it is, and also, not to toot our own site's horn, this is the one to get. And I really, really was interested in. I was kind of hoping it wouldn't make reserves so I could pop on in, but it did. But this car had miles, but not so many that it was crazy. But it had 46,000 miles so you could use it. And it wasn't stupidly modified. A weird number of these were stupidly modified, which is. It didn't make sense. Nobody's modding Mercedes, but that happened.

[Nick]

And a lot of the wheels get changed. And these are beautiful.

[Doug]

The perfect wheels. People change the wheels. It makes no sense. This looks like a touring car, and those look like touring car wheels. Like, it's so cool. It is such a cool car. It is an automatic, and it did have basically the same interior as a regular CLK from that era. That's the only things that have stopped me from doing it. I reviewed one and, like, you can get the tail out by just thinking, yeah, it was crazy. So much fun.

[Nick]

The V8s in these cars. Just. It's a muscle car.

[Doug]

It totally is.

[Nick]

It sounds amazing. It's got tons of torque like it is. It is not your grandpappy's Mercedes.

[Doug]

And by the way, something a lot of people don't know, this was the only CLK63 coupe. They didn't do a regular CLK63 coupe. They only did a regular CLK63 convertible. So it's not like there's the same engine in a lesser. I mean, the Convertible. I guess you could make that argument. But like they did a CLK55 coupe on the previous engine but it was way less power. Cuz it wasn't.

[Filippo]

It was never super and 455, 500 whereas the.

[Doug]

The other the 55 was 362 because they didn't have the supercharger in this car. This is. This is at 91. At the very least you won't lose money on it. Yeah, it's so cool. Why don't you have one?

[Nick]

Maybe after the QP5 this would be a good consideration.

[Doug]

I've been trying to talk him into a Diablo.

[Nick]

I'm one of those. I'm watching two of them very closely.

[Doug]

He bid on that one last week on this podcast.

[Nick]

I've since been out bed but you know we're. We're watching that one.

[Doug]

Speaking of 63 Mercedes, I have a topic that I think you will be interested in. We want to talk about our most. The car we're most excited about being live on the site right now. And my answer is the Teradyne Gurkha.

[Filippo]

Ooh, road rage car.

[Doug]

This car is a ridiculous vehicle. It's based on the super Duty Ford F series. And it's just absolutely massive absurd thing. Ford F550 and it has stuff like road flares. Look at this. Aren't you excited to have this? Oh, and the crazy part about this Teradyne Gurkha.

[Filippo]

Oh, sorry, the. All of it isn't the crazy part.

[Doug]

No. Believe it or not, you know what the craziest thing is? The mileage. But don't look, don't look, don't look.

[Nick]

I was just about to note that because that is wild.

[Doug]

Okay. This thing, I mean you've already seen but this thing you. It's absurd. Yeah, but it's been driven 44,000 miles somebody like daily to Terady and Gurkha.

[Nick]

And what year is it?

[Doug]

17.

[Filippo]

It's 2020.

[Doug]

It's a 20. But it's. Oh, it's a. That's right. Right.

[Nick]

See that's some serious mileage and not.

[Doug]

A lot of time someone drove this thing like a. Like it was a daily driver just around. That's wild. It's got a Georgia truck plate like a. Like a. Like they only put those plates on like semis and stuff. But it is that the Terady never let. But the next video about 63AMG is the very next car live is something that I think you would appreciate.

[Nick]

What is it?

[Doug]

It is this ML63. This is the only car I have ever seen with a wide body kit. That looks good. And honestly, I kind of think this looks better than factory. I'm kind of. It's insane. Look at this. This isn't so bad. I don't know. I have no idea.

[Nick]

I've heard of them.

[Doug]

Does this not look too terrible?

[Filippo]

Weirdly looks.

[Doug]

It looks nice, right?

[Nick]

It looks decent for sure.

[Doug]

Kind of a tasteful wide body.

[Filippo]

I don't hate it.

[Doug]

And I was thinking when I was looking, I was like, this is a nick. This is some nick stuff.

[Nick]

I adore the ML63 for the same reason. We talked about that.

[Filippo]

The.

[Nick]

The motor itself sounds and looks amazing. You got 500 plus horsepower in a family SUV and you can buy these. I don't know about the wide body version, but the non wide body versions, everyone's afraid of the head stud issue, but it's. They're pretty affordable power.

[Doug]

This one does not have the original AMG V8. This is a twin turbo V8, so it doesn't have the head bolt thing. It's the next gen model, so it's got even more power. And I had this motor in an E63 and it's perfectly reliable. But I think that this screams you. It's also in Portland, Oregon. Maybe a cayenne replacement for your family car.

[Nick]

That's pretty cheap shipping.

[Doug]

Yeah.

[Nick]

You want to buy my 958?

[Doug]

Yeah, kind of.

[Nick]

All right.

[Filippo]

All right.

[Doug]

We can make Desert Challenge. This is a great opportunity for us all.

[Filippo]

Nick has to do this would be like selling.

[Nick]

Getting your wife into the SRT8 Jeep. Oh, yeah. Just a quaint little Mercedes SUV.

[Doug]

That's so true.

[Filippo]

It's just what it looks like. The fenders. Yeah, because they want to be sporty.

[Doug]

Okay, okay, we're going to move on now to questions, questions, questions. Now remember, you too can ask us questions. Go to carsandbids.com, click on the Communities tab and then we have a post that says questions for next week's podcast and you can ask your questions there. And we will answer the top uploaded questions, no matter how stupid. Great.

[Filippo]

What are they this week?

[Doug]

Okay, top question. Hey, Doug, have you ever considered doing a video with Whistlin Diesel or any other YouTuber? I've done a million videos with a million different YouTubers. I've done a ton of collabs. I did. I've done with Donut. I've done with Hoovie. We had a collab season where I went all over the place and did.

[Filippo]

All with Nick of Nick's car blog.

[Doug]

However, I have never collabed with Whistlin and that is one of my life great regrets. You know, we could fix it. It's like how astronauts are like, yeah, but I never made it to the moon. Like, that's me about Whistlin.

[Filippo]

Opportunity might still strike.

[Doug]

Whistlin is my hero. And a lot of people don't feel this way. Like, a lot of car enthusiasts don't like Whistlin Diesel because he blows up cars. But that's why I like it. I mean, I would say like, like, if I were to put like a top reason why I like him, it's that he blows up cars. Sure. You know, the dude launched a helicopter in a building.

[Filippo]

Right.

[Doug]

And that's rare. That's rare. That's good content. And I who review cars and I'm very careful with them. I've always wanted to blow up them. Right. Like, how cool would it be for the Damson Bentley to just be blown up? But I can't do. I can't do that. And so I idolize Whistlin. And so I have done videos with other youtubers, but never the pinnacle.

[Filippo]

Never the pinnacle.

[Nick]

Well, if he's listening, I think you got a great idea with the Nissan Leaf road rage experiment. It's a good durability test concept.

[Doug]

Remember when you got us that Whistlin Diesel gift?

[Nick]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Doug]

It's over here somewhere.

[Nick]

Yeah. He had already sold out of the Ferrari, so that was the G wagon that had been destroyed.

[Doug]

But Nick Whistle Diesel at one point destroyed a G wagon and he sold parts of it to finance his channel and his existence. And Nick bought me as a present, part of it. And it's the greatest present ever been given.

[Nick]

I know you'd like it, and it was a little spendy for what it is.

[Doug]

But what was it average?

[Nick]

Like 300 bucks?

[Filippo]

No way.

[Doug]

Are you serious?

[Nick]

Maybe it was 200. But it was. It was like more than the usual impulse number that I am comfortable with.

[Doug]

Like your Maserati pop collar shirt. Yes. 100 bucks. Not above spending money for a gag gift. And I like that.

[Filippo]

Nope.

[Doug]

So anyway, that's the answer to that question. Whistling if you're out there, please. I actually have his number. I texted him once or twice. I don't think he cares about me. Like, he gets so many more views and he blows up stuff that I think he's like that guy.

[Filippo]

Right. I didn't get to watch a review with the car was original.

[Doug]

Right. He's Like, I don't care about how it looks. I care about how it looks when I push it down my hill.

[Filippo]

Right. You know, right when I live on fire in a cornfield, I feel it, dude. Different.

[Doug]

Okay, next question. From. Also from core to ram. Same person who asked the first question. Wow.

[Filippo]

Lots of uploaded questions.

[Doug]

Maybe upload them. They can create, like, 20 accounts. Uploading. So what are. When you should do that? By the way, what are the group's thoughts on the new Scout EV that will finally be released on September 24th? Was that released today? I thought it was October.

[Filippo]

I haven't said anything about it.

[Doug]

We're recording this on September 24th.

[Filippo]

I'm familiar, of course, with the Scout EV.

[Nick]

Well, it's made the wave so much that none of us are aware that it's launched.

[Filippo]

But I will say October 24th is the reveal day.

[Doug]

October 24th. That's what I thought. I. It seems like it might be cool, but honestly. But it says Volkswagen is seeking 10% of the US truck market by 2030. Did you hear that? Because Volkswagen owns the scalp right now.

[Filippo]

Well, I'm familiar with them on Discovery. That's an ambitious goal for a company that has never, as a brand, come anywhere close to that.

[Doug]

No. Like zero. Or maybe they're counting Atlas and stuff.

[Nick]

Well, they have an Amarok Cabri Cabriolet in Europe.

[Doug]

Totally different.

[Filippo]

I feel like I should show you the T Rock Cabriolet.

[Doug]

The Amarok is. He doesn't know what either of them.

[Nick]

They sell in Mexico. It's a cool Volkswagen pickup. I want one of those.

[Doug]

They sell T Rack in Mexico, too, I think.

[Filippo]

I love the press photo for this.

[Doug]

Why is this woman. She's got to have, like, a shawl? Because she can't because her hair is getting blown around. It's a reminder that your hair could get blown around. Unless, of course, you don't want.

[Nick]

So it's an Eos Tiguan.

[Filippo]

Basically.

[Doug]

That's exactly what it is.

[Filippo]

But it's much smaller.

[Doug]

It's smaller.

[Filippo]

It's an eos.

[Doug]

It's a house. It's an eos.

[Filippo]

Tow should not relate.

[Doug]

It's an EOS to.

[Filippo]

It's actually not related to the T. I'm really sorry, but it's not actually related to the T. Eos towels. The tower related to an SUV that they sell. Not. Not to the T Rock.

[Nick]

Just like Alphabet soup. That's how they're naming their cars now.

[Filippo]

They're all wins. The T Rock famously wind.

[Doug]

Oh, they used to do that, but they're all gone. Golf was my favorite win. Okay, the answer to the question is, I am excited for the Scout. I imagine Volkswagen will screw it up. Don't you think they usually screw things up?

[Filippo]

Like, how hard can it be?

[Doug]

How hard could it be to create the bring back the bus? And yet they gave us the long wheelbase one five years after they first announced it. No, they're not on sale. And it cost $75,000. They screwed it up. They screwed up the bus.

[Filippo]

But this is a different brand. Doesn't count.

[Doug]

They're gonna screw this up, too. It's what they.

[Filippo]

The thing that Volkswagen does best is other brands. Skoda. Great brand. Now.

[Doug]

Oh.

[Filippo]

Seat not, but closer to being great. Maybe that's all they can accomplish.

[Doug]

The. I'm. I'm excited for the Scout, but I don't have high hopes. It's like the Jeep Recon, right?

[Filippo]

Move on.

[Nick]

They're flush with all that tomato sauce money now.

[Filippo]

Ketchup. Ketchup.

[Nick]

You say ketchup, I say tomato sauce.

[Doug]

God, they're so problematic. Okay, next question from cj. Jeep rollover. As a Jeep lover, I am very weary of rollover. If I should just buy a Scout in 26. Two Scout questions or wait for another electric Jeep hybrid. Also, why hasn't BMW even tried to make an off roader truck or suv? I'm actually going to skip the first question because I don't know anything about the Scout yet.

[Filippo]

Nobody else does. And also, you should just go to your local Jeep dealership and say, I'll pay you a hundred dollars a month if you let me take your Wrangler 4X. And they will.

[Doug]

Yeah, I got 100amonth. What do you got?

[Filippo]

And they'll be like, will be literally any of our products.

[Doug]

They'll be like, well, sir, do you. You want to get into the Jeep? You want to own the deal? Don't own the dealership for 100amonth. I think that buys you.

[Filippo]

The first time I rented a car, I rented like, midsize or something. They offered me a Wrangler 4X and then I heard them offer Wrangler 4 by to every other person that came in. The bad sign.

[Doug]

Okay, the other part of this question that was interesting. Why hasn't BMW even tried to make an off roader truck or suv?

[Filippo]

Okay, don't pretend they haven't.

[Doug]

They never did.

[Filippo]

They did.

[Doug]

No.

[Filippo]

I'm so sorry. No, no, no. The original X5 had a crawler gear. First gear was a crawler gear.

[Doug]

Yeah. But the point was the crawler gear. He's asking, does your Sequoia have a crawler? It's a question about the G Wagon.

[Filippo]

Does your Sequoia have a crawler here?

[Doug]

It's an auto. The G Wagon. The G. And it does have a low range. So yeah, the G Wagon is very successful and popular. The Lexus LX is an off roader type thing.

[Filippo]

Thanks for not saying it's successful or popular because we all know there are.

[Doug]

Periods where it was. Other luxury brands have made off roader SUV's.

[Filippo]

Name another Lamborghini.

[Doug]

Lamu.

[Nick]

Hey.

[Doug]

Yep.

[Nick]

Trans Siberia Cayenne.

[Doug]

Trans Siberia Cayenne, Huracan, Storado. How about that? We offroad SUVs are so popular, we're making sports cars into them. Raptor. By the way, any luxury that's like 90 grand, I don't know. The Raptor R is like $200,000.

[Nick]

The NES, Grenadier, NEOS.

[Doug]

Grenadier, yeah. How about every Land Rover Defender, that new Defender, the Octa.

[Filippo]

Have you familiar with Discovery Sport?

[Doug]

You know, Defenders still selling like crazy. The supplies like two. Anyway, the point of the question is why hasn't BMW competed in this segment? And I think it's a great question and I totally agree. And you know what the thing of it is that makes it such a topical question? The XM was intended to be that the XM was trying to rival the G Wagon. They were like, okay, Mercedes has this SUV at the top of their product range that's actually less practical than the. Less like the G wagon is smaller than a Gls but more expensive. And yet they sell every one of them. So BMW was like, why can't we do that? And they, they came out the version, they're thinking, Mercedes has this off road thing locked down. What does BMW do? Well, this, off this, this performance thing. And boy is that failed.

[Filippo]

I think they saw the G Wagon and realized no single human has ever taken one off road. And like, oh, people don't care about that.

[Doug]

Yeah.

[Filippo]

But they misunderstood the image.

[Doug]

They misunderstood a huge component of the G Wagon is the fact that it looks like it's tough.

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[Doug]

And the xm, the XM looks like you got talked into something.

[Filippo]

That's such a great point.

[Doug]

It really, really, really does.

[Filippo]

I mean like, look at this.

[Doug]

And that one's black. Black, like that's okay.

[Filippo]

That's the best color combo.

[Doug]

Yeah. And it's also just bad, like the performance. Isn't that great one, I've never seen one on plates. And including that one, which I do.

[Filippo]

Here's a good exam.

[Doug]

There's the XM that you want. Anyway, it's a great question. And I think that realistically, if automakers want to have a flagship suv, the whole thing about an SUV is it has to. You want it to have capability. Land Rover has made a ton of money selling people capability they'll never use. And so was the G Wagon, and so is the Raptor, and so is Jeep, honestly.

[Filippo]

Yep.

[Doug]

The only successful Chrysler brand, et cetera, et cetera. And like BMW should I. I think.

[Filippo]

That they wanted to do the product correctly. Like if they did an offer, they want it to be good off road. Nobody cares.

[Doug]

Nobody cares.

[Filippo]

They misunderstood.

[Doug]

They should make it look brawny. Toyota TRD Pro. Right, people? I mean, those are those. Every TRD Pro ever made has sold its sticker except the original.

[Filippo]

No Camry TRD has ever gone off road. So I just.

[Doug]

It just. There's such a market right now. There's such an image thing. Off roaders. People are spending $300,000 on off road. Sprinters, et cetera, et cetera. You could take this all the way down. BMW should have done it. And it's. It's. I think it's a miss that they didn't. And they did this instead. What a stupid car.

[Filippo]

You know what I just realized? A friend of mine was mentioning offhand, they were. They were behind the BMW that didn't have any BMW badges. It only had them on the window. And it's just in this moment that it clicked.

[Doug]

This is it.

[Filippo]

They were behind. And that's the biggest surprise of all of this. But somebody in the wild was behind an xm.

[Doug]

Random person.

[Nick]

And I'll say to bring it all together. The xm, I think followed the Mansari brief. Make it ostentatious, even if it's ugly. People will know. You spent $200,000 on a car that's.

[Filippo]

Worth about half that and now it's worth 70 grand.

[Nick]

That was the brief. And they nailed the assignment.

[Doug]

Yeah, they so did. It was like, because they wanted to compete with the G Wagon. And he like crazy money. Like just rich. Look at me. And boy, did they. And boy, do people look at them and yikes. Needless to say, whistling Diesel ain't taking apart a BMW xm. But he should.

[Filippo]

He should.

[Doug]

He should.

[Filippo]

So much cheaper.

[Doug]

But then people would love him for it. That's part of his brand, is right. Okay, that's our podcast. The greatest podcast we've ever done. Nick, any parting thoughts?

[Nick]

Man, am I sorry.

[Doug]

All right, goodbye.