Ultimate Bugatti is Here, Volvo Brings Back Wagons, and Doug's Insane Memory

Summary

THIS CAR POD! with Doug DeMuro & Friends!

Episode: Ultimate Bugatti is Here, Volvo Brings Back Wagons, and Doug's Insane Memory

Date: January 30, 2026
Host: Doug DeMuro
Co-Hosts: Kenan Rolson, Filippo

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Episode Overview

This lively episode dives into the automotive world’s latest headlines and trends, including Bugatti’s one-off FKP homage to the Veyron, wishes for bigger BMW SUVs, Volvo's surprising wagon potential, the resurgence of specialty coachbuilding, Lotus and NSX market dynamics, the value of analog sports cars, and more. As always, Doug and his friends bring a blend of nostalgia, insider knowledge, and lighthearted banter.

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Key Topics & Insights

1. The Ultimate Bugatti: FKP Homage

[00:09–05:12]

• Bugatti's New One-Off: Discussion opens with the reveal of the Bugatti FKP homage, a one-off Chiron-based car styled like the Veyron as tribute to Ferdinand Karl Piech.
  • “This is the Bugatti FKP homage, which stands for Ferdinand Carl Piech, one of our favorite automotive dynasties. He is an absolute killer.” (Kenan, 00:15)
  • Only one will be made, at a price of €10 million.
  • Includes quirky bespoke features (e.g., AP Royal Oak clock on the dash).
• Reflections: The group debates the retro appeal, noting Veyron is now "a throwback" car. Minority lament over its color choice (not blue/black).
  • “It is such a neat idea to take the Veyron…to modernize it…with the Chiron improvements, but to like keep the look. It’s like all those BS companies making retro versions…except Bugatti did it.” (Doug, 01:14)
• Discussion turns to homologation: Doug expresses surprise that such a bespoke car could be road-certified given extensive changes.
• Ferdinand Piech Legacy: Only other car to pay him tribute in its name was the Lamborghini Sian FKP 37.
• Ultimate Rich-Guy Toy: Doug makes the tongue-in-cheek point that “this car is a reason to get rich […] this is the thing.” (03:14)

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2. SUVs: BMW X9, X7, and the March for Larger SUVs

[05:13–10:24]

• BMW Dealer Demand: American dealers pushing BMW for a full-size X9 to rival Cadillac Escalade and Chevy Tahoe, noting the X7 is now smaller than many class rivals.
  • “BMW dealers are starting to really request and push BMW corporate for an X9…” (Filippo, 05:19)
• Naming Conventions: The group debates BMW’s “even = coupe” number system, agreeing the ever-larger SUV trend is here to stay—“The more SUVs, the merrier.” (Doug, 08:27)
• Volvo’s Moves: News that Volvo may introduce an XC100 or a model larger than XC90, also following American SUV trends.
  • Lament for the days when SUVs required major compromise: “Back in that era, buying an SUV required real compromise, and now it just doesn’t.” (Doug, 08:58)
• SUV Nostalgia: Kenan and Filippo express preference for older SUVs and wagons; Doug notes that today's SUVs offer sedan-like comfort.

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3. Volvo and the Future of Wagons

[10:24–13:43]

• Volvo & Wagons Comeback: Volvo previously said wagons were finished but may reconsider, spurred by US and Chinese interest.
  • “Even interestingly, China is coming up with wagons. It’s hot right now. So people are really liking wagons.” (Filippo quoting Volvo exec, 10:25)
• Wagon Memories: The group shares personal memories of station wagons, especially Volvo’s V70 and vintage Outbacks. There’s a collective hope that more wagons will make a comeback, despite the market's SUV tilt.

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4. Bertone & Retro Coachbuilt Cars

[13:47–17:41]

• Bertone's Neo-Retro Otto Bianchi A112 Runabout: Only 25 units, Lotus Exige base, Camry V6, pop-up headlights, €390,000.
  • “I think this is so cool. They’re only going to build 25 of these and they’re going to cost €390,000.” (Kenan, 14:40)
  • Pop-up headlights spark debate on modern road legality.
• Debate on ‘Real’ Sports Cars: The crew jokes about the "two-door, rear or all-wheel drive" definition. Front-drive exotics don’t make the cut for Doug: “A sports car by definition is rear wheel drive or all wheel drive.” (Doug, 16:22)
• Limited Relevance: Doug jokes that these ultra-rare cars, like bespoke Bugattis, have no true real-world relevance but are fascinating for enthusiasts.

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5. Chuckwalla Raceway Is for Sale

[18:57–23:59]

• News: Famed Chuckwalla racetrack is for sale for $26M.
  • “If I had $26 million, I would buy that Bugatti twice.” (Doug, 19:11)
• Real Estate Concerns: Some fear developers will buy and demolish it, but the pod crew agree it’s too isolated: “You pass nowhere and you keep going. But no one’s living here.” (Kenan, 19:42)
• Racetrack Economics: Discussion about private equity buying tracks, price hikes, and private membership models, with concern about accessibility for regular enthusiasts.

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6. Fascinating Auction: Lamborghini-Powered F1 and the “Formula 1 Engine” Debate

[24:01–29:33]

• Lotus F1 with Lambo V12: Rare F1 car with an LE3512 engine (relating to the Countach’s V12).
  • “The engine in this Lotus car was terrible. It had zero wins. […] Not a good engine.” (Kenan, 24:57)
• “Formula One Engine” Ownership: Humorous banter about having street cars with dubious F1 engine lineage, poking fun at Doug’s Carrera GT and Land Rover V8 connections.
• F1 Nostalgia: Stories about Senna’s test drive of the Lambo engine at McLaren.

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7. Market and Auction Insights

a) NSX & Lotus Amira Market

[57:07–63:47]

• NSX with 321k Miles Sells For $80k+: Astonishment at high-mile, single-owner cars getting strong prices.
  • “He hadn’t looked at the service documentation—he just wanted the car.” (Filippo, 57:41)
  • “I saw the buyer commented, ‘I’m taking this to 500,000 [miles].’” (Doug, 58:11)
• Amira & Lotus Market: Amira selling for $85k–$96k, surprisingly strong values for a financially shaky company.
  • “How does [Lotus] retain their value? […] The market is clearly speaking: they are desirable.” (Kenan, 61:38)
  • Market’s trust in Toyota/Mercedes powertrains helps Lotus.

b) Survivor Cars and Bargains

[54:00–56:57]

• Oldsmobile Alero Example: Survivor/low-mileage base cars sell for little, despite reliability.
  • “For $4,100 you cannot buy a Civic or Corolla like it doesn’t exist, it’s a ratty car. Or you can go buy an undriven Alero.” (Doug, 56:18)

c) Classic Car Experiences

[64:52–69:20]

• Driving a Jaguar XK140: Unexpectedly enjoyable analog experience, leading to newfound appreciation for 1950s and `60s classics.
  • “If you have more room in the garage and a little bit more money to spend, this offers an experience like nothing else.” (Kenan, 65:51)
  • Doug notes similar love for well-maintained cars of the era, like the Gullwing.

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8. Analog Cars vs. Modern Behemoths

[33:33–41:03]

• Doug’s Review of the Lamborghini Temerario: Large, heavy, hybrid-era Lambos contrast with the “tossable” analog cars like the 993 Porsche.
  • “If you like a car that is like a tossable, fun but powerful car, the modern stuff has left you behind, period.” (Doug, 35:54)
• Kenan’s 993 Porsche Drive: Driving a 993 along California’s coast renews appreciation for simple, analog cars.
  • “It was so perfect. It was so great.” (Kenan, 42:51)
  • “There’s something to this… There really is.” (Doug, 39:09)
• Market Reflection: Rising values for ‘90s sports cars are justified, given the experience they offer as analog, usable classics.

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9. Personal Anecdotes & Memorable Moments

• Doug’s 'Ultimate Reason to Get Rich': Bugatti FKP as the pinnacle “if you had $10 million.”
• Dyno Days: Kenan’s SL65 dyno experience, with the car needing a human to sit on it for traction. “The one thing you will see in the video is there’s a guy who had to sit on the back because the car doesn’t have enough weight over the rear tires…” (Kenan, 52:33)
• Events & Pacifica Hybrid: Filippo drives a Pacifica Hybrid 1,000 miles with impressive fuel economy—and a china cabinet in the back. “Maybe I will own one. I love the Pacific Hybrid. So good plug in man.” (Filippo, 45:29)

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Notable Quotes & Banter

• “This car is a reason to get rich.” (Doug, 03:14)
• “The Veyron is now a throwback car, but it is.” (Kenan, 01:38)
• “What do you mean failed? They had a podium!” (Doug, 25:55)
• “Buying an SUV required real compromise, and now it just doesn’t.” (Doug, 08:58)
• “For $4,100 you cannot buy a Civic or Corolla… Or you can go buy an undriven Alero.” (Doug, 56:18)
• “If you like a car that is tossable, fun but powerful, the modern stuff has left you behind, period.” (Doug, 35:54)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Bugatti FKP Homage Discussion: 00:09–05:12
• BMW X9 and Big SUV Talk: 05:13–10:24
• Volvo Wagons—Are They Coming Back?: 10:24–13:43
• Bertone A112 Runabout and Retro Coachbuilding: 13:47–17:41
• Chuckwalla Raceway For Sale: 18:57–23:59
• Lamborghini-Powered Lotus F1 / F1 Engine Debate: 24:01–29:33
• Modern Car Size and Weight / Analog Car Love: 33:33–41:03
• Oldsmobile Alero, Survivor Cars: 54:00–56:57
• NSX and Lotus Market Talk: 57:07–63:47
• Jaguar XK140 & Classic Car Experiences: 64:52–69:20
• Listener Questions & Fastest Drives: 69:27–78:20

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Listener Q&A Highlights

Pickup Trucks:
Doug has never owned a legit pickup, but would opt for a 4-door Tacoma, new Ranger, Frontier, or small/mid-size truck (70:00+).

Fastest Driven:
Kenan hit 160 MPH in an SL65, Doug did 160 on the Autobahn in a Cayenne Turbo, Filippo prefers not to disclose (73:35+).

Favorite Car Movies:
Doug: Gone in 60 Seconds, Fast & Furious 1; Kenan: Ferris Bueller’s Day Off; Filippo: Italian Job, Ronin, James Bond car cameos (75:35+).

Doug’s Car Review Memory:
Doug explains his automotive recall: “This is my job. Of course I remember.” (83:54)

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Final Thoughts

• Nostalgia & the Market: Analog cars continue to gain value because of their unique driving experiences. Modern cars are growing in size, complexity, and hybridization, often losing some driver engagement.
• Survivor Bargains: Low-mileage “survivor” cars of all types remain undervalued and could represent great used-car buys.
• Lotus & Volvo: Market is robust for Lotus, despite its struggling balance sheet; hope for a Volvo wagon revival rises.
• Bespoke Hypercars: Ultra-exclusive retro cars like the Bugatti FKP are automotive fantasy at its peak—and a tongue-in-cheek “reason to get rich.”
• Community Events & Behind the Scenes: The crew shares snippets from recent events and behind-the-scenes production details.

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Transcript

[Doug DeMuro]

Foreign. Hello and welcome to this car pod.

[Kenan Rolson]

I'm Kenan.

[Doug DeMuro]

I'm Felipe and there's a lot to discuss, starting with Bugatti, the very coolest car ever.

[Kenan Rolson]

This is so cool. So this is the Bugatti FKP homage, which stands for Ferdinand Carl Piet, one of our favorite automotive dynasties. He is an absolute killer.

[Doug DeMuro]

A legend.

[Kenan Rolson]

A legend. An absolute legend in the automotive business. But this car pays homage to the Veyron, which has been. Which came out 20 years ago, which is over 20 years ago, which is hard to believe, but this is a one off based on the Chiron. But it's supposed to look like a Veyron and they're only building one of these. And it has some annoying details that you would hate. Like it has like an AP Royal oak clock on the dash and stuff like that. But the big news is that it really looks like a Veyron down to the wheels, like the original wheels we love so much.

[Doug DeMuro]

This is the coolest thing.

[Kenan Rolson]

This is so cool.

[Doug DeMuro]

Have you seen this?

[Filippo]

Yeah, of course.

[Doug DeMuro]

They, you know, we all agree that the Sheeran is better, but the Veyron is cooler.

[Kenan Rolson]

Absolutely.

[Doug DeMuro]

Boom, boom.

[Kenan Rolson]

Yeah. Problem solved.

[Doug DeMuro]

That is so cool. I saw the picture of this last week after we did our pod and I thought it was just the absolute coolest thing I've ever seen in my life.

[Kenan Rolson]

I couldn't agree with you more.

[Doug DeMuro]

It is such a neat idea to take the Veyron, which was a compromised car in a lot of ways. Technically, it's very expensive to own, very difficult to own, and now starting to get dated and to modernize it and update it with all the, with the Chiron improvements, but to like keep the look. It's like all those BS companies that are making retro versions of like the Diablo and the 550 and the 355 and all these things. Except Bugatti did it and. Well.

[Kenan Rolson]

Right, exactly. It is weird to think the Veyron is now a throwback car, but it is. I mean, it's been out for a long time, but I agree. I do wish that it were the blue, the blue and black color that's my favorite on the Veyron. But nonetheless, like, they really went, they explained they went into a lot of detail to make sure everything was as close as they could get it, but just looked a little bit more modern. Like the front grille is different, but they were really careful about that and they paid a lot of attention to their heritage, which I respect.

[Doug DeMuro]

I'm actually surprised they were able to get this Amalgated for road use. I'd be a little curious to know the story. Obviously this car was commissioned by the one person who has it and I'm wondering what their country's roles are in the us this car would have to be re certified because it's like a completely different design. It's not just a slightly different body panels. I mean it's like a totally different look. You have different angles and different dimensions and materials are different. And I'm really, really surprised that this was able to just sort happen.

[Kenan Rolson]

Yeah, I'm not sure. I don't believe it was for a US customer. They said that this cost 10 million euros, so I suspect that it's probably staying well.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah, and I think if you look at the picture of the his because that's the one that's not a US car because it doesn't have the orange marker dot markers.

[Kenan Rolson]

That's right.

[Doug DeMuro]

I love this car and I love Ferdinand Piek. And right up until this point the only other car to pay tribute to Ferdinand Piek in its name was.

[Filippo]

Before.

[Doug DeMuro]

The Lamborghini Sion, which was technically called the Lamborghini Sion FKP 37 which was a reference to his initials and his birth year.

[Kenan Rolson]

Right. It just rolls off the tongue.

[Doug DeMuro]

Needless to say, no one knows that's what that car is called, but that was technically its full name.

[Kenan Rolson]

This, yes. Very cool execution on that car. Very cool execution on this one.

[Doug DeMuro]

This one better. This is I think one of the coolest cars in existence. And if it only cost 10 million Euro, that's crazy to me. Like chirons regularly sell for 4 million Euro. This car is obviously going to be a tremendously special collectible one day. This car is a reason to get rich. I sure there aren't a lot of things out there that are reasons that you really want to be real. This car is one of them. Like people think there's a lot oh, I want to fly pride. All that stuff is either overblown or dangerous or bad or stupid or it comes with headaches. But this car, this is the thing.

[Kenan Rolson]

Having a new Bugatti that looks like an old one, that's the reason to get a slightly old one. Not a type 37, just one from 20 years ago.

[Doug DeMuro]

I just think it's so cool. I also love these bespoke cars. Cars like Ferrari's doing this now too. And obviously Bugatti's done it, Lambo's done it a little bit. Doing these like one off things for like people who are just willing to Pay for them. That's like what? What?

[Filippo]

We.

[Doug DeMuro]

What? We are so into that. The Sultan of Brunei did back in the day. And these companies are still like letting it happen within reason. And it's kind of cool to see it.

[Filippo]

Okay, you got $10 million. Pretend you could buy one.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah, I would.

[Filippo]

You're buying that over anything else for 10 million?

[Doug DeMuro]

Well, I only have 10 million to spend on one car. Is this one of those stupid. I live in Singapore and my garage is only.

[Kenan Rolson]

By the time you get to this, you've owned all that. Other cars.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah, the dude's got other cars.

[Kenan Rolson]

Yeah, exactly. He has this one, to be clear, other vehicles.

[Filippo]

And apparently the watch that's in it is like he, the owner collaborated with.

[Kenan Rolson]

By the way, which is a very rich guy thinking.

[Doug DeMuro]

I don't even think that the watch is silly, even though I hate that stuff.

[Kenan Rolson]

You don't?

[Doug DeMuro]

No, because, like, this is all about, like bespoke one off ness. Like it should have like really cool details.

[Kenan Rolson]

To be clear for everybody. It's a Royal Oak Tourbillon.

[Doug DeMuro]

Ah, Royal Oak Tourbillon.

[Kenan Rolson]

Which is a very.

[Doug DeMuro]

Did David Lee hook me up with one of those?

[Kenan Rolson]

Yes, probably.

[Doug DeMuro]

All right, give us our next news story.

[Kenan Rolson]

Oh, jeez. Good.

[Doug DeMuro]

BMW, the new seven.

[Filippo]

Apparently BMW dealers are starting to really request and push BMW corporate for an X9. So BMW's lineup has X1, the X2, the X3, the X4, the X5, the X6, the X7. But then it stops. There's nothing bigger than an X8.

[Doug DeMuro]

Let me ask you this. Why aren't they pushing for an X8?

[Filippo]

You know, they might. Because the X8 would be too coopy. Historically, the even number is the coupe version of the odd number.

[Doug DeMuro]

The X2 isn't coopy.

[Filippo]

It is koopy compared to the X1.

[Kenan Rolson]

No.

[Filippo]

Yes. That's their naming structure.

[Doug DeMuro]

The evens are a crash. I know that. But the X2 is not every. They look like a.

[Filippo]

Have you seen it pull up an X2, please? I'm sorry, Kevin. We have to get this right for our listeners.

[Doug DeMuro]

The X2 isn't. It doesn't have a sloped roof. It just has the two BMW logos on the outside. I'm not wrong about this.

[Filippo]

Is that not a sloped roof? How would you describe that?

[Doug DeMuro]

That's the new body.

[Filippo]

Yes. What do you think we're talking about?

[Doug DeMuro]

I'm trying to originally.

[Filippo]

I'm sorry, do you think that we're not talking about the new car?

[Doug DeMuro]

We're off the rails. The point is they Want to do an X. A larger.

[Filippo]

It wants to be like an escalated competitor.

[Doug DeMuro]

If you look at the statistics, if you look at the dimensionally, the X7 is smaller than other cars in its segment as a three row. However, it's also been out for six years. I would argue just let them redesign it. We don't necessarily need a. I mean, what are we talking about like a Suburban?

[Filippo]

They want like an Escalade or Tahoe sized vehicle which is 10 inches longer than an.

[Kenan Rolson]

Well, they. So they failed with the. The XM going for a G Wagon competitor. So now they want to choose an Escalade competitor. That's their target.

[Filippo]

I'm not surprised that American BMW dealers want something that competes with that kind of top tier.

[Doug DeMuro]

It doesn't make sense to me. GLS is only 2 inches longer than an X7.

[Filippo]

Sure. But an Escalade's 8 inches longer than that.

[Doug DeMuro]

Well, what's a Tahoe?

[Filippo]

The same length as an escalade.

[Doug DeMuro]

Tahoe is 8 inches longer than an X7. They don't want a GLS competitor. They want a Tahoe competitor.

[Filippo]

But they would have a GLS competitor in the X7. They want something even bigger because they need to sell cars in Texas. I just. It's both.

[Doug DeMuro]

Why not just make the X7 a little bit bigger and solve both problems?

[Filippo]

I think they would be okay with that too.

[Kenan Rolson]

Give it a backup.

[Filippo]

Just want more SUVs and they want more large SUVs to carry on.

[Doug DeMuro]

The X7 is small. It came out at a time when the three row segment was kind of burgeoning.

[Filippo]

It's Q7 size even.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah, it really was. But now things are bigger in general. Let's give us another larger X7. I'm not surprised the dealers want it. I hear bad things about the third row and the X7 as far as usability.

[Filippo]

I will also say there was news this week that Volvo is considering a vehicle larger than the XC90. And so I think there is a little bit of a push to go larger.

[Doug DeMuro]

The XC91 XC110.

[Kenan Rolson]

I guess it's better than say, odd.

[Filippo]

I guess 60 is odd.

[Doug DeMuro]

XC100. No, but. But the odds have historically been.

[Filippo]

My take on BMW's naming structure is correct.

[Doug DeMuro]

It's generally right.

[Filippo]

But the original is generally right. It is at this moment.

[Doug DeMuro]

But you Admit the original X2 looked normal.

[Filippo]

Is there a new X4?

[Doug DeMuro]

There might not be. So I think they did do a new X4, although that car has not been successful.

[Kenan Rolson]

You know why they're not calling it an X8 because any badge that's ever worn in eight in BMW's history has not been commercially successful.

[Doug DeMuro]

What about the new eight series? The latest eight series?

[Kenan Rolson]

Don't want to call it a huge commercial success.

[Doug DeMuro]

No. Isn't it already failed?

[Kenan Rolson]

Yeah.

[Doug DeMuro]

Anyway, the point is everybody wants big vehicles. Everybody wants SUVs. The more SUVs, the merrier.

[Filippo]

Yep. Factually accurate.

[Doug DeMuro]

That's just the truth. Everybody's upset about this. Kenan's upset about this. All the BMW people BMW has left behind. Well, look what buyers have left you behind.

[Kenan Rolson]

Well, yeah, I don't care. I tuned out of that a long time ago. I'm not buying new ones. I want to keep the old ones around.

[Doug DeMuro]

You know what continues to hit me as I think about this? When my mom bought an Isuzu Rodeo off the showroom floor from Jerry Roth Isuzu in aurora, Colorado in 1992.

[Kenan Rolson]

Brag about it.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah, with a stick shift and steel wheels.

[Filippo]

Brag worthy.

[Doug DeMuro]

That car didn't have intermittent wipers. You had to. There was an individual like one wipe and then there was on and off. And so you had to just turn.

[Kenan Rolson]

Off that level of humility.

[Doug DeMuro]

That's what we could afford. Anyway, the point is, back in that era, buying an SUV required real compromise, and now it just doesn't. And so, like, the reason that all these people have been left behind with their sedans is like you can sit up higher and still have the same driving dynamics, the same acceleration, the same NVH. It didn't used to be that way with SUVs. And so you know what your new car is? X5M.

[Filippo]

Yep, yep.

[Kenan Rolson]

Nah, stick with my old one.

[Doug DeMuro]

There is a Canon out there who's seven right now, who the X5M is going to be his E39M5.

[Filippo]

Or you could just have a regular X5 because it has the best BMW inline six, the B58.

[Kenan Rolson]

Yeah.

[Doug DeMuro]

I got behind a rear wheel drive one today. Did you? And that's a S drive 40 S drive 40.

[Kenan Rolson]

Yeah, I understand things like, things have changed and younger demographics will laud these cars that are out now. I'm just sticking with my E39. I'm happy with that.

[Doug DeMuro]

Well, the rest of the world wants their sport utes. In fact, right here on behind me. Oh, it's gone. Is an X5. Okay, next news story, please.

[Filippo]

All right.

[Kenan Rolson]

Oh, Volvo must.

[Filippo]

Volvo V6. Volvo had said that they're gone, they're done with wagons. But in a series of interviews, the chief strategy and product officer Michael Fleiss said that, yes, he thinks that there's a market segment in the US for wagons. And I quote, even interestingly, China is coming up with wagons. It's hot right now. So people are really liking wagons. That is a direct quote. So there's a chance of Volvo wagons will continue and we'd all be thrilled.

[Doug DeMuro]

Wagons are hot. Dude. I was the last holdout. I have never not had a wagon. I was the last holdout.

[Filippo]

I currently own a wagon.

[Doug DeMuro]

I thought it was. It had come down to a trickle. It was down here, it was at the very top. And I got one of the last ones in existence. I got the Outback here. You know, the Outback is now taller than a RAV4. Taller in height than a RAV4. That's not a wagon. That's not a wagon anymore. I didn't get into the specifics because I think the point is made. The outback is 8 inches taller than my E450, the wagon.

[Filippo]

And your E450 is like 3 inches taller than my actual station wagon.

[Doug DeMuro]

The wagon is dead. But now it's time. So who's still doing wagons? Audi's got the A6 and the RS6. BMW's got the M5. Mercedes has the E450 and the E63. And then you also have the Porsche.

[Filippo]

In other markets, there are other manufacturers. All of the main European manufacturers have a wagon.

[Doug DeMuro]

I know, but every time I go to Europe, which is every two years or so, it's SUV centric.

[Kenan Rolson]

Sad.

[Doug DeMuro]

It looks like America.

[Filippo]

It's really sad. Smaller SUV's though, no X9s.

[Doug DeMuro]

Smaller SUV's, no X9s. You never see X7 like an XC90 is a huge luxury vehicle in Europe.

[Filippo]

As a kid, when the Q7 came out, the first gen Q7, it looked so incredibly giant. Yeah, you would see some.

[Doug DeMuro]

20 years, you know, he tries to play this off. He claims he moved to the United states in like 2000, but now he's over here. When the Q7 came out, when I was a boy. Go back to 2007.

[Filippo]

Yeah, I would still go back to.

[Doug DeMuro]

He tries to play both sides of this whole thing. Is he Italian, Is he American? We don't know.

[Kenan Rolson]

He's an enigma.

[Filippo]

Yes.

[Doug DeMuro]

Okay, fine. I'm thrilled to have Volvo wagons. They're all going to be electric.

[Filippo]

I mean, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Doug DeMuro]

But I'm thrilled to have Volvo wagons. They make nice looking cars, you know. Wagons are nice.

[Filippo]

I'm hopeful.

[Doug DeMuro]

I've never to this day Had a Volvo station wagon.

[Filippo]

Neither do I. No, sadly.

[Doug DeMuro]

Do you ever have one?

[Filippo]

Who? Of course.

[Kenan Rolson]

Obviously.

[Filippo]

Who?

[Doug DeMuro]

And who and who in your circle of friends when you were a kid had a Volvo wagon? We had one. My buddy Brett Shea, his mom had one.

[Kenan Rolson]

It wasn't common in the Midwest. It was Odysseys were really popular at that time. That was like, yeah, you. You're too.

[Doug DeMuro]

You're too young. Like it was. You're a little post vol wagon.

[Filippo]

Madison, Wisconsin wagon central. Got a. Have a couple friends with V70s. Had a couple legitimately two different friends with stick. Legacy wagons, the 09 generation.

[Doug DeMuro]

Oh, wow.

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[Doug DeMuro]

When I was.

[Filippo]

There were wagons.

[Doug DeMuro]

When I was like 20, my best friend Joe in Denver had a V70 cross country. Yeah.

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[Doug DeMuro]

And we took that to car week one time.

[Kenan Rolson]

Really?

[Doug DeMuro]

I was driving on car week in a V70 cross country.

[Filippo]

What a dream.

[Doug DeMuro]

2000.

[Filippo]

Like, the boxy color was at the top.

[Doug DeMuro]

White with black on the bottom.

[Filippo]

Oh, black.

[Doug DeMuro]

But it was. This wasn't the next gen. This was like a 99. It's like the first boxy one.

[Filippo]

You said V70 XC. Of course. I know which.

[Doug DeMuro]

Although the first two years of the then next generation car was also called V70 XC, they didn't come out XC70 for like two or three model years after the 2001 model came out. That's something for you to look up. We're deep into Volvo wagons now. I'm right about this. You can look on our site. I bet we sold a bunch.

[Filippo]

We haven't sold that many. It's a shame. All right, let's keep going.

[Doug DeMuro]

What's our next news story?

[Kenan Rolson]

Oh, yes, Bertone. So for those of you unfamiliar. Bertone. Bertone was a design house from Still Is then. Still Is.

[Filippo]

They've gone bankrupt a few times, but they're around.

[Kenan Rolson]

Exactly. Like all good Italian design houses, they've gone bankrupt a couple of times. But they've recently released this. They're calling this their neo retro rebirth of The Otto Bianchi A112 Runabout, which originally debuted in 1969 and looked insane. This is a little bit different in that that car gave birth to the Fiat X19.

[Filippo]

Yeah, this is.

[Kenan Rolson]

I don't really. This is kind of.

[Filippo]

From the side, it looks like a little like wedgie. The same way that the X1 9 did and the original roundabout did.

[Kenan Rolson]

Definitely. But unlike that car, which was powered by a very small Fiat engine, made 50 horsepower. This is powered by a 3.5 liter supercharged V6 468 horsepower and a manual transmission. And Doug is looking at Volvo wagons.

[Filippo]

I'm wrong and I apologize to everybody. Apologize everybody.

[Kenan Rolson]

Yeah, no, it's. It's based on the. Yeah, it's based on the Exige architecture underneath. But I think this is so cool. They're only going to build 25 of these and they're going to cost €390,000.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah, €390,000 for an Exige with a Camry V6.

[Kenan Rolson]

But the thing that's one of the things that stands out. There's a lot that stands out in this car. But one of the things to me is that it has pop up headlights which I think is fascinating because I thought those were not when you're only.

[Filippo]

Selling but I guess you five cars and they're never going to see the road.

[Kenan Rolson]

Yeah. If they're. If that can be done then I.

[Filippo]

Want to see when your picture is AI. You can have anything else happen.

[Kenan Rolson]

Right. You got this guy looks like George Clooney quite a bit.

[Filippo]

Yeah, I think it's super cool. I mean they never got to make the original runabout because it became the X1 9. But they never made the right about. And now they can make the runabout.

[Kenan Rolson]

I actually think it looks almost cooler.

[Filippo]

Than the original runabout.

[Doug DeMuro]

They're making 25.

[Kenan Rolson]

This isn't a news.

[Doug DeMuro]

We're never going to see these things.

[Kenan Rolson]

There's also some Ferrari like Conco. Concec. What's it called?

[Doug DeMuro]

Conciso. Conciso.

[Kenan Rolson]

Yeah, there's a little bit of that in there too.

[Doug DeMuro]

This we're never. No one's ever going to see this car. It's not a thing. 25 units. Is it a manual?

[Kenan Rolson]

Yes, six speed manual transmission.

[Doug DeMuro]

Damn. I want one now. Made a 390 Euro.

[Filippo]

Sorry. Dollar's a little weak right now.

[Doug DeMuro]

It's not going to be sold in the U.S. the property, of course it's going to drive like. It's going to be tight and little siege.

[Filippo]

Drive poorly.

[Doug DeMuro]

No, but it's like. Well you hear Bertona, you hear Italian. You want some leather? You want some. You want. You want a little more to it? You want a little more car? You want a more quality.

[Filippo]

We think different ways.

[Doug DeMuro]

Well, have you ever been in Exige? It's not that.

[Filippo]

Have you ever been in a Fiat Uno turbo? No leather there.

[Doug DeMuro]

No. But like when I think of an Italian sports car, an Exige is like a buzzy little lightweight thing that was never Italy's thing when it came to sports cars.

[Filippo]

My Fiat 500 Bar Cabriolet begs to differ.

[Doug DeMuro]

That's not a sports car. First off, a sports car by definition is rear wheel drive or all wheel drive.

[Filippo]

I mean the Honda Prelude begs the difference.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah, dude. Yeah. There's a real sports car. It's priced like one.

[Filippo]

The WRX sei. I'm looking at different or all wheel drive.

[Doug DeMuro]

That's not a sports car. A sports car by definition. Two doors. Two doors. That's Trump. Trump.

[Filippo]

Right.

[Kenan Rolson]

He's not wrong.

[Doug DeMuro]

A sports car is a two door rear wheel drive. But increasingly I'll accept all wheel drive because manufacturers have gone there. But a sports car needs to be two doors and rear or all wheel drive. That's the sports car.

[Filippo]

Or not sports car.

[Doug DeMuro]

It's all wheel drive available.

[Filippo]

Front wheel drive drive.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah. The front wheel drive one is a. Is a Golf wearing a dress. The.

[Kenan Rolson]

The.

[Filippo]

Yep.

[Doug DeMuro]

And this is the WRX STI is a performance car.

[Filippo]

Oh well, this is a sports car and it looks delightful comfortable.

[Doug DeMuro]

Anyway, it shows it's 25 units. This is a news story like does anybody care about this? If you care about this.

[Filippo]

We talked about a one of one.

[Doug DeMuro]

Car and the Volvo wagons which they're gonna sell 20,000 of. We haven't actually covered any news today. It's a great relevant to anybody.

[Filippo]

X9 would sell.

[Doug DeMuro]

The X9 would sell, but they're not gonna make it. So that's zero.

[Kenan Rolson]

Well, I'm into this in George Clooney's team.

[Doug DeMuro]

I'm into it too. I think it's cool. Move on to the next story.

[Filippo]

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[Doug DeMuro]

You us something real.

[Kenan Rolson]

Chuck Walla.

[Doug DeMuro]

Folks, this is the biggest news of the week. Chuck Walla, which is a racetrack in the middle of nowhere, is apparently for sale for $26 million. I'll tell you this, if I had 26 million, I would buy that Bugatti twice.

[Filippo]

Chuck Walla, two and a half times.

[Doug DeMuro]

I wouldn't need two of them. I would only need one because you can only drive one car at a time. And so Chuckle and I saw the drive, posted this. You know the drive over there?

[Filippo]

I'm familiar with the drive.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah, yeah. They post this on their Instagram. And I was reading the comments and the comments were all like, oh, God, another racetrack's gonna be ripped from our hands. Oh, no. Developers are coming for a racetrack, Folks, I'll be honest with you. Developers are coming for this.

[Filippo]

Okay? It's way too. There's nothing near there.

[Doug DeMuro]

But you. You've ever been to Chuckwalla, you'll know why. This will only ever be a racetrack.

[Kenan Rolson]

You pass nowhere and you keep going.

[Doug DeMuro]

But no one's living here. This, this is like.

[Kenan Rolson]

That is what it looks good as.

[Doug DeMuro]

It gets for about 500 miles. Yes.

[Filippo]

By the way, it does include the airport. The airport's included in the sale by airport.

[Doug DeMuro]

I want to be clear.

[Filippo]

There's a Runway.

[Doug DeMuro]

There's a Runway. It's a long, flat piece of unimproved pavement which you probably can't land a real airplane at.

[Filippo]

Apparently it's in good condition.

[Doug DeMuro]

Good condition, but I'm sure the desert sun will change that. Okay, so can you imagine weeding that Runway out there? No, like the amount of amount. What is it called? Like, it's the Raid or whatever. You're probably not probably in California. It's been banned for long. Yeah, they go to Arizona. They get like industrial sized tubs.

[Filippo]

They do go to Arizona Attack. That's where you buy racks. Exactly right.

[Kenan Rolson]

We've been out. You and I have been to Chuck.

[Filippo]

That's right.

[Kenan Rolson]

You've been a couple times. We did a track day video on it. We saw Nick right here in this corner spin out and almost go into.

[Doug DeMuro]

The wall by the way this is just a picture. There's an actual.

[Kenan Rolson]

The racetrack is over there.

[Doug DeMuro]

If you're a potential buyer, don't worry. It's not just a parking lot tire thing. There's a real racetrack.

[Filippo]

We should talk about why this might should be somewhat notable.

[Doug DeMuro]

I don't think it's notable at all. Someone else is going to buy it. It's going to be great.

[Filippo]

Okay. So the concern is Willow Springs got bought by a private equity company and.

[Doug DeMuro]

It'S going to be great.

[Filippo]

The concern is that the price per track day, the price per rental has reportedly double, tripled in the time they've owned it.

[Doug DeMuro]

Willow.

[Filippo]

Yeah. Which is reasonable because, well, they wanted to make money. All the turns out it cost money.

[Doug DeMuro]

All the more reason to buy Chuckwalla. Willow's three times as expensive to attract day they start advertising to all the Willow people and get them down here.

[Filippo]

So there are some concerns that whoever buys it will want to modernize it. Maybe they'll want to make it safe. Maybe they'll want to add food. Maybe they'll want to add bathrooms. I don't know. They may want to do crazy things to make it livable. And then it'll be expensive and we will be out of reach for people in LA or anywhere else.

[Doug DeMuro]

It could be improved.

[Filippo]

Could be improved.

[Doug DeMuro]

Like the thing about Chuckwalla, I love it dearly and it's great. And some of my greatest memories of Chuckwalla, in addition to the track day when we rented it out for a private track day for just us, we did video. I also Chuck Waller was where we did the Sterrato launch. And that changed my life. You know, I was at the Storato launch and one of the PR people comes up to me, me, and it's a woman. And she says, hey, Doug, nice to meet you. And I, you know, people always come up to me these things like, oh. And she says, hey. You know, she goes, my dad has a career. GT I'm like, damn.

[Filippo]

Wow.

[Doug DeMuro]

Most people are like, oh, I got a Miata.

[Filippo]

Y. Yeah.

[Kenan Rolson]

Yeah.

[Doug DeMuro]

I'm like, oh, my God. I still remember that. It's never happened before.

[Filippo]

Regardless, it's for sale. I hope that something cool happens with.

[Doug DeMuro]

It and doesn't make it still be a racetrack. I agree with you.

[Filippo]

It's going to still be a racetrack.

[Doug DeMuro]

Out of reach. However, when we went out there for our track day, we had to stay in Palm Spring, which was like two hours away.

[Kenan Rolson]

Yeah.

[Doug DeMuro]

Y and wake up at five in order to drive out there and get.

[Kenan Rolson]

There for the call time and then drive back.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah, and then it's like. Was like six hours back. We all went in my station wagon because none of us wanted to drive that far in any of our sports cars.

[Filippo]

It's far.

[Doug DeMuro]

It's far.

[Filippo]

But there's obviously some concern. Like, Thermal is members only now. There's concerns. Become not a track that's successful.

[Doug DeMuro]

There is no situation in which people will pay for price. Private membership.

[Filippo]

Not out there.

[Doug DeMuro]

To this facility.

[Filippo]

Well, if you live in Palm Springs, it's only two hours.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah, but Thermal is right there. And I'm. I don't even think that this is dramatically further out than Willow is. Like, they're all out there for San Diego. This is. This is a good track.

[Filippo]

If you live in Blythe, it's nearby.

[Doug DeMuro]

If you're in Blythe and you have.

[Filippo]

A Camaro, they do have a drag strip. The. The airport serves as a drag strip.

[Doug DeMuro]

Really?

[Kenan Rolson]

I didn't know that.

[Filippo]

They have staging lights for it.

[Kenan Rolson]

That's how they keep.

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah. Sean. Sean. We gotta get out here. We gotta rent this place out. What the hell? We're renting this place out, folks. It's not selling before.

[Filippo]

We gotta rent it out.

[Doug DeMuro]

I can't believe our beloved track is going away.

[Filippo]

They're gonna build condos.

[Doug DeMuro]

We're gonna build condos.

[Filippo]

Assuming they can have sewers. Reach there. Assuming they can build it.

[Doug DeMuro]

Racial irony is the idea of them building condos. If you wanted to build condos, you know what you'd do? You'd buy the plot of land next door, which is undeveloped and free. It is literally free.

[Filippo]

Yeah. Lake Tamarisk.

[Doug DeMuro]

All right, next news story, please.

[Kenan Rolson]

Ah, yes. Speaking of track. So there is a sale right now. There's a deal, I believe, in the UK that has these two cars, a downdraft Lamborghini Contrast, a 5000 QV, and this. This is the Lotus Type 102 F1 car, raced in the 1990s. 1990, specifically. And what's notable about it is that it's powered by a Lamborghini V12. Now, don't.

[Filippo]

Which one? One.

[Kenan Rolson]

So it's. Which V12? LE35. LE3512. Which stands for Lamborghini Engineering 3.5 L12 Cylinder Engine.

[Doug DeMuro]

The LE3512. Lamborghini Engine 3.5 V12 Engineering, I think.

[Kenan Rolson]

Is what it stands for.

[Doug DeMuro]

We're still trying to figure out what LMO2 stands for, right?

[Kenan Rolson]

No, but it's just Lamu. That's all it stands For. But the reason I bring this up, I mean, it's a very. It's. It's very cool. This. To be clear, the engine in this one looks car was terrible. It had zero wins. It had zero pole positions. It had one podium in its history. Not a good engine.

[Doug DeMuro]

However, one podium is real. Right.

[Kenan Rolson]

It's bad. It was a bad engine. But my point with this is that you have often incorrectly asserted that the Courier GT has a Formula one engine, which it does not because it was never in a Formula one car. However, this engine, which is slightly related to the Countach's V12 of, was a Formula One car.

[Doug DeMuro]

And so you know what? You know what I get out of this? Yeah, you know what I get out of this?

[Filippo]

They added a couple liter, liter and a half.

[Doug DeMuro]

Here's what I've learned. Here's what I've Learned my career. GT has a Formula 1 engine.

[Kenan Rolson]

It does not.

[Filippo]

Sure.

[Doug DeMuro]

Now we know that my Countach has a Formula One engine.

[Filippo]

Wow.

[Kenan Rolson]

It does.

[Doug DeMuro]

The other Formula One engine in our group, NYX P38, has a Formula One engine.

[Filippo]

Our friend Nick Rochon of the P38 Range Rover.

[Doug DeMuro]

Okay, here's this tie in. Have you heard this before?

[Filippo]

Thankfully, I've not.

[Doug DeMuro]

All right, here's the deal. The Land Rover V8 of that era was derived from a General Motors V8 that was produced between 1953 and 1981. It was the Buick V8. And that was sort of derived. That was how Land Rover got its V8.

[Filippo]

Now, it's smart of them to use one from the 60s that gets it for 20 years and then make it unreliable.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah. Somehow they managed to screw it up. But the Rover V8 was based on this GM V8. Also based on this GM V8 was Australian Formula One team Repco. They used the Oldsmobile, the Oldsmobile V8. It was in a Brabham vehicle. Brabham, no one cares. And it won the 1963 Formula One World Championship with the Buick V8. And I had it that engine in my yellow Land Rover Defender. So I would argue I've had three Formula one engine.

[Kenan Rolson]

I'd argue the Courage GT is not a Formula one engine. You have a failed Formula one engine in your Lamborghini, and Nick is the only one who's won a world championship with his engine.

[Doug DeMuro]

Wait a minute. What do you mean failed? They had a podium. You said they had a podium.

[Kenan Rolson]

Yeah. Of the 80 races it entered, it only had 49 successful starts.

[Doug DeMuro]

That's pretty. Oh, start.

[Kenan Rolson]

I didn't say finish. They started.

[Doug DeMuro]

They DNF'd before 6, 35% of their races.

[Kenan Rolson]

The engine is interesting though, believe it or not. Lamborghini had a handshake deal with McLaren to test this engine. And Senna actually drove her car powered by this engine and liked it. He made some suggestions. He said that he wanted a less brutal top and a fatter mid range. But ultimately the engine was just not reliable. And Ron Den decided to go with the Peugeot V10.

[Doug DeMuro]

According to reports, Senna even wanted to race the engine at the Japanese Grand Prix, believing that while reliability might be a problem, according to McLaren's engineers, the most they got out of any. Any powertrain before failure was just 19 laps at Silverstone.

[Kenan Rolson]

Yeah, exactly. It described it as lot of sound, not a lot of go. I think was the end. That's the Countach and that is the Koon. So it all is all perfect. And I do like that the Countach is finished in the same livery as the car.

[Doug DeMuro]

The camera bother you?

[Filippo]

Do we agree that they're using models for this? These are not real.

[Kenan Rolson]

No, no.

[Doug DeMuro]

The pictures are amazing, like models.

[Filippo]

I agree. Something about the Countach looks too small.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah. Does it bother you? I agree with you. Does it bother you that I have all these cars with Formula one engines?

[Filippo]

No.

[Doug DeMuro]

That doesn't bother you?

[Filippo]

No.

[Kenan Rolson]

You ever watched an F1 race? Probably as a kid in Italy. Oh, well, you're at Monster.

[Filippo]

But my, my uncle, who lived about a mile away from the Monte circuit, would watch them every time they were on every Sunday. Whenever it was that they're on, who.

[Kenan Rolson]

Knows Whenever they're on.

[Filippo]

That and MotoGP. So you get exposed.

[Kenan Rolson]

Well, MotoGP too.

[Filippo]

You get exposed in Italy to racing. You know, I've biked over the F1 track.

[Kenan Rolson]

That's cool.

[Doug DeMuro]

Here's something I didn't know that when the Koenigsegg CCR set the world fastest car record in 2005, it was using a version of the Ford Modular V.

[Filippo]

I was wondering where we're going to.

[Doug DeMuro]

Get the engine in the Ford GT. And it broke the record from the McLaren F1, which was a lesser car. So I would argue that my. My vehicles the fastest. The Formula 1 EST.

[Kenan Rolson]

Whatever makes you sleep better at night, babe.

[Filippo]

I'm surprised it took that long to get to the modular V8, because surely that's been used in like stock car racing and nascar. Like, I'm sure it has other uses in America.

[Doug DeMuro]

I think that by the time those kind of engines were out, you couldn't put engines like that in racist Cars like they were. There was different stuff going on. Nonetheless. Nonetheless. Still, I still have all of the great engines.

[Kenan Rolson]

You know, you could buy a Formula One car and actually have the engine. Turns out, you get both of these.

[Doug DeMuro]

Well, Formula One cars aren't that expensive.

[Filippo]

Right.

[Doug DeMuro]

Trash Formula One cars from like the 80s are probably pretty cheap.

[Filippo]

I wouldn't.

[Kenan Rolson]

I'm not going to use them.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah, well, I feel use them. I mean, people use. Put an LS in a Formula 1 car, you could use it. Right. Something to think about for you.

[Kenan Rolson]

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[Filippo]

All right.

[Doug DeMuro]

We got any more news?

[Filippo]

Yeah, I got one more.

[Doug DeMuro]

Whistlin was arrested again. Speaking of putting engines in Formula one cars, he bought that Formula One car.

[Kenan Rolson]

That's right.

[Doug DeMuro]

Oh, my God. Whistlin. My hero.

[Filippo]

He was apparently arrested at the airport, I assume coming back from Dubai at bna.

[Doug DeMuro]

You think they arrested him? So what happens next?

[Filippo]

Apparently he was released on a bond about an hour later.

[Doug DeMuro]

This was related again to the tax evasion on the Montana plates thing.

[Filippo]

His Instagram post was basically, they still didn't send me a letter. They had like an additional issue and so they send 20 agents to arrest me when I landed. He's wearing an LA hat, which seems surprising.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah, this is tough because it's tough to hear about your hero getting arrested a second time. A second time?

[Filippo]

First time, easy.

[Doug DeMuro]

Who are your heroes?

[Filippo]

It's exclusively Cody Detwiler.

[Doug DeMuro]

No, mine is Cody. Who was your like, who would you be sad about?

[Kenan Rolson]

Harry Mack Metcalf.

[Doug DeMuro]

Harry. Imagine if Harry got arrested. That that be like that for you.

[Kenan Rolson]

He's too charming to get arrested.

[Filippo]

If Tavares got arrested, Tavaresh, that'd be tragic.

[Doug DeMuro]

Tragic. Wouldn't be that surprising.

[Filippo]

Arrested Bankrupt.

[Doug DeMuro]

Love Freddy. Love him. Okay, let's move on to the talk car segment. The talk car segment is brought to. Oh, my God. The talk car segment is brought to you by Cars and Bids, which is the finest auction platform. Can you go back? Finest auction platform in the history of auction platforms.

[Filippo]

Can I have to say, our app is phenomenal.

[Doug DeMuro]

Our app is phenomenal. Great. It's. And that is coming from an unbiased reviewer. Filippo.

[Kenan Rolson]

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[Filippo]

Okay, here's the thing.

[Doug DeMuro]

Who helped develop it?

[Filippo]

I read a lot of the reviews that we get for our app and they're all just so positive. And somebody posted one today.

[Doug DeMuro]

How many reviews do we have? Many of the thousand reviews on our app, only 860 were Filippo and his all.

[Filippo]

None were me.

[Doug DeMuro]

They're probably created our own app.

[Filippo]

I should go do that.

[Doug DeMuro]

You got to assume the app is Great if. If 150 of our reviews were not. Filippo. Okay. Anyway. Brought to you by Cars and Bids. Cars and Bids. We sell your cars.

[Filippo]

592Review, 4.9 stars.

[Doug DeMuro]

That's insane. How do we have how many? Oh, Sean says rate us on Spotify.

[Filippo]

That don't rate the app. The podcast.

[Doug DeMuro]

How do you rate something on spot? Can I rate my favorite artists? Yeah. Night Travel Traveler.

[Filippo]

I don't know, 100%. I think you can only rate podcasts.

[Doug DeMuro]

Okay. We got a little Apple talk car segment. Because this is. This is not only off the rails, but ineffective. The Lamborghini. I. My talk car segment is only related to the Lamborghini. John Temarion. I had it for a couple days as a press car.

[Filippo]

The Temerario.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah, the Temerario. That's what it's called. Yep. Yeah, they gave it to me as a press car.

[Filippo]

How was it?

[Doug DeMuro]

Fine.

[Filippo]

When's the review coming out?

[Doug DeMuro]

I don't know.

[Filippo]

All right, great review. Thank you.

[Kenan Rolson]

Thank you for the, like, high level journalism there.

[Filippo]

We did what we need to do. I. I will say I saw it in your garage. Yeah, it's a big car.

[Doug DeMuro]

It's big. The Temerario is almost a footy longer than the Huracant.

[Filippo]

That's a large year. Like generation over generation.

[Doug DeMuro]

Now Lamborghini's generations are 10 years, but.

[Filippo]

If the X7 became a foot longer, it's exactly what it was.

[Doug DeMuro]

Well, no, it'd be even. It'd be too big. It'd be like bigger than an Escalade. It's a foot foot longer than the Huracan. It is 600 pounds heavier than Huracan. It's a lot and it is 1,000 pounds heavier than some versions of the Huracan, like the lightweights. It is like three inches wider, which is also pretty real in car width. That's a lot of car width is kind of gate kept at a certain width for regulatory purposes. So it's really a much bigger car.

[Filippo]

It's 20 inches longer than a Countach.

[Doug DeMuro]

It's kind of unfortunate because, my God, like, I loved it and I love driving it, but you kind of see, you kind of see like car design is going in this way that I'm not like as an enthusiast of the kind of cars that I'm an enthusiast of. I'm not that into.

[Filippo]

Right.

[Doug DeMuro]

Like the cars are getting bigger.

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[Doug DeMuro]

Some in part necessitated by adding plug in hybrid and electric technology. But then in order to overcome the weight difference that you've created, you then have to add more power. And so every subsequent car is way more powerful, way heavier and way larger than the previous one. And if the Temerario's numbers, I think from a percentage basis are probably up there with some of the largest increases over its previous model. But there's been a lot of talk about the M5, same deal. They add a plug in hybrid system, they add weight, they add complexity. Well, then they have to add power to make up for it. And I was just driving the new 992 Turbo and that car is the same sort of situation. It's just getting bigger and bigger and bigger. It's amazing driving that back to back with my 993 Turbo, which despite the name is actually 30 years sooner. And all these cars, and they all do an incredible job of engineering out the issue with adding weight, but they have to engineer it out the way that they did it back in. The car just didn't weigh that much, so it felt tossable. And now the cars still feel tossable. But that's because there's enormous complexity in trying to overcome thousands of pounds and extra inches and feet in some cases of extra size. You know what, it's just a shame. It's kind of sad. If you like a car that is like a tossable, fun but powerful car, the modern stuff has left you behind, period.

[Kenan Rolson]

Well, I think it just draws more of an interest to the stuff that's slightly older. I mean, that car makes the Garda look so svelte and like delicate comparatively. And driving wise, it's like when you drive a lot, you can do a lot to hide the weight. But ultimately driving a lightweight car just is so pure excellent.

[Doug DeMuro]

You can do A lot to hide the weight and they do an amazing job.

[Kenan Rolson]

Agreed.

[Doug DeMuro]

But it just isn't the same. By the way, Temerario, four inches longer than Murcielago.

[Kenan Rolson]

That's nuts.

[Filippo]

The place where that falls apart a little bit. I was just looking this up and assuming you trust Google's AI overview, the Carrera T. The 992 Carrera T is lighter than a base 997.

[Doug DeMuro]

Carrera T is such a great car.

[Filippo]

But Even though the 992 Turbo S which has a hybrid component, is only 200 pounds more than the 997 Turbo.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah.

[Filippo]

But these grown that much. They're only three inches longer and a little bit heavier. So they added that much.

[Doug DeMuro]

The actual weight. The actual weight of a 992.2 Turbo S is 3829.

[Filippo]

So I was looking at that one number.

[Doug DeMuro]

Okay, well, and it's. That's an important distinction because the hybrid system is added. And that's part of my point. All the cars we're sitting here talking about that are growing. Part of a reason that they've been growing so much in weight is because all three of the cars I just mentioned, the M5, the Temari and the 992 have added hybrid componentry. And in order to then counteract the hybrid componentry, then you have to do this and that. And you just ended up. You ended up with a 4,000 pound 911 and. And, and a long 911. Like the. It's. It's. It's gotten to 180 inches long. My little baby. 993 is like what I want.

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[Doug DeMuro]

But it doesn't exist. They can't do it on any anymore.

[Kenan Rolson]

Yeah.

[Doug DeMuro]

The driving a tossable car is like. There's something really fun about just like a hydraulic, relatively light tossable car.

[Filippo]

That's why I took that car and then added a large glass roof.

[Doug DeMuro]

Right.

[Kenan Rolson]

Flip a point. Yeah.

[Doug DeMuro]

Just add weight up high.

[Kenan Rolson]

You want it add weight. And that's fl to do you need a 993?

[Filippo]

I would love a 993.

[Kenan Rolson]

But speaking of the 993 nice transition. I recently got to spend a long time in a 993. I drove 1000 miles back from Oregon in a 993 car. 95993 car being sold by car by motor cars. Great seller on the site. It's gonna end up on cars and bids relatively soon. I completely agree with everything that you've just said. Driving a lightweight simple car like that. I drove it over to the PCH in Carmel and drove from Carmel down to Cambria.

[Filippo]

And then I oh, you got to do the drive.

[Kenan Rolson]

I got to do the drive.

[Filippo]

It's open for the one month of the next decade. It'll be open.

[Kenan Rolson]

Exactly. I haven't been able to do this in five years.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah, same. I haven't done it and since 17.

[Kenan Rolson]

It's wonderful. I did a whole video on it on my YouTube channel. I'm really proud of it. I put a lot of editing into it and I had a lot of drone. There's no drone. I haven't gotten to that level of production.

[Filippo]

How do you have a drone?

[Kenan Rolson]

Do I look like Stratman to you?

[Doug DeMuro]

Spatman has a drone. Thanks.

[Kenan Rolson]

And so does everybody. Kevin has a drone. My point of this is getting to drive it on those roads. It's like this is everything I want. It's small, it's lightweight, it's tactile, it's analog, it's simple, it's relatively reliable. It just did everything. And it made me realize like those cars are worth a lot of money.

[Doug DeMuro]

For a reason, deserve to be. I've been making fun of my car for its, its value. But the more time I spend, especially in modern. Yeah, I'm just like, you know, there's something to this.

[Kenan Rolson]

Yeah, there really is. And like one of the things I talk about is just like I, I know that air cooled cars are a little bit more to take care of than some of some other cars, but nonetheless it did it. I turned the key, drove a thing, a thousand Porsche. Not one issue. It's just the car car drove flawlessly.

[Doug DeMuro]

And my car, which is undergoing a significant service. I called them today, it's going to be another week. Nonetheless was driving just fine. We're just taking care of some leaks after 30 years.

[Kenan Rolson]

It's longevity. You'll do that and it will. The difference with those cars is you put the money in and it lasts. That's the beauty of those kind of old German cars. But nonetheless it made me develop a real appreciation for the993. And it just as cars get bigger and heavier. Like you said, that era is really special.

[Filippo]

Can you describe the transition from the light, tactile analog 993 to your SL65 which is literally opposite of all those things.

[Kenan Rolson]

It was shock because the carrer the 990 is not.

[Doug DeMuro]

Does that make you want to get out of the slc? I mean, I know you're going to get out of the SL65 anyway. But does that make you want to get out of it and get into something that's a little bit tighter? Littler.

[Kenan Rolson]

Honestly, yes. Now, that said, you could do the Jeremy Clarkson thing where you say, well, if you lived in a gorge in southwest France, then yes, you want the lightweight, nimble thing. But most people don't. And the reality of it is, like around here, unfortunately, the way we use a lot of cars is on highways to get to good driving. Driving roads takes effort and the really tight, twisty stuff is like an hour and a half away. Realistic. It's an hour away.

[Filippo]

45.

[Kenan Rolson]

How. More mountains.

[Doug DeMuro]

An hour.

[Kenan Rolson]

That's an hour. And it's snowing right now, so you can't do it anyway.

[Filippo]

Maybe you can.

[Kenan Rolson]

I would, but it made me appreciate turbo. I have to say, the 993. I would really love to have one of those cars in my garage because there's a classic you can use every day if you want to.

[Doug DeMuro]

We really are a Porsche podcast.

[Filippo]

I know, I know.

[Kenan Rolson]

I hate.

[Doug DeMuro]

I'm going to make a promise to you right here and right now on this podcast today. I will not buy another Porsche.

[Filippo]

That's such an easy promise to make.

[Doug DeMuro]

Maybe a 996 GT2 one day. But I will not buy another Porsche.

[Kenan Rolson]

Or 911ST or I'm not interest.

[Doug DeMuro]

I'm not going to buy a 911ST. I'm not spending 600 on that crap. It's a cool car. It's not 600. I. I can't even explain to you the number of cars I would rather have before I bought an. It's a great car. I will not buy another Porsche. I'm saying it to you here. I am committing to you that I am leaving Porsche Guidam behind mind, which.

[Filippo]

Is two of them in your garage.

[Doug DeMuro]

Well, I got seven, dude. You know what? You know what hit me.

[Filippo]

You know seven. You know what? I got it. You're up to seven.

[Doug DeMuro]

You know what? I've had more cars. More. More than Porsche. I've had more Toyotas. I've had more Toyotas. I had a gen 1 Prius. Never forget that. I had an 80 series. I had a 200 series. I have a Sequoia. I had some sort of Lexus because.

[Filippo]

We'Re not counting the Porsche corporate cars.

[Doug DeMuro]

Those weren't mine. I would. They would have been nice. They were rentals. In the meantime, for six months. They weren't my. What am I supposed to do?

[Filippo]

Ken's going to buy three in the next year he's going to buy 993. He's going to buy a Cayenne Turbo if he'll buy a Macan Turbo.

[Kenan Rolson]

Just honestly, if I had the money right now, this, this car wouldn't even end up on Cars and Fits.

[Filippo]

I would just buy it.

[Kenan Rolson]

It's so lovely.

[Doug DeMuro]

I am ripped apart to hear this. We cannot be a Porsche podcast. Spike's already got all that figured out. I am promising you here today, except for the 996 GT2, I will not buy another podcast Porsche. I'm not saying ever, but I'm kind of saying ever. None of them appeal to me. I'm not sitting Here looking at 911R is a little appealing.

[Kenan Rolson]

I've still never owned one. To be clear, I've only owned BMW's one Ferrari and a Mercedes. So like I still haven't owned like I feel very lucky but I still haven't owned a Porsche. I would like to and there are bunch that I would like to experience but there are other cars I still love too. I just think that like that one deserves a spot in my garage.

[Filippo]

I'm jealous of that experience.

[Kenan Rolson]

It was wonderful.

[Filippo]

It's a highway part. It's a thousand miles.

[Kenan Rolson]

You know, fine. It did fine. It is definitely NVH has changed a lot in the 90s. It's still loud and buzzy. I didn't really mind, I had, you.

[Filippo]

Know you wear AirPods at this point.

[Kenan Rolson]

I had AirPods in exactly. I didn't have them muted but I had like just music on that way. But yeah, it just driving it through Carmel and just those twisty roads. It was so perfect. It was so great.

[Filippo]

I'm jealous.

[Doug DeMuro]

It's a nice car. It's a great shifter, clutch. It's really tossable, very predictable car. Porsche had done a great job of developing the 911 and then that car was like the ultimate refinement of the original car with a of lot of stuff that they had learned before.

[Kenan Rolson]

The multi link suspension made a big difference on that car. It just is so much more sure.

[Doug DeMuro]

Feel like Filippo's car. As much as I love it, the 997 definitely has more of a luxury kick to it.

[Filippo]

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[Doug DeMuro]

Disclosures on the subject of cars we all wish we could own Filippo.

[Filippo]

Yeah, he did a thousand miles in a993. I did a thousand miles in a Pacifica hybrid and honestly it was great. 30 over 30 miles per gallon across that drive. It's a drive I do often. I get like 25 in the wagon, 35 in the GTI and I had a huge china cabinet in the back. Got 30 miles per gallon. It was the light bulb. It's a shame nobody can own one cuz they're problematic.

[Doug DeMuro]

I don't understand. I had two, two, two issues for you.

[Filippo]

Such a good car.

[Doug DeMuro]

Issue number one. What do you mean it's not ownable? You did a th000 miles?

[Filippo]

That's they have a bit of a reputation for having.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah, but a thousand miles problems. What do you take it to the dealer every th000 miles you got a th miles done.

[Filippo]

Boom.

[Doug DeMuro]

Problem.

[Filippo]

Maybe I will own one. I love the Pacific Hybrid. So good plug in man.

[Doug DeMuro]

You like how it looks?

[Filippo]

I actually do think it's a good looking minivan.

[Doug DeMuro]

It's the best looking of the minivans.

[Filippo]

And it's like comfortable enough and quiet enough and carplay percent of the time. And Uconnect works 70ish percent of the time too. We're good.

[Doug DeMuro]

Chrysler Such a shame. Chrysler makes a bad car, but it's.

[Filippo]

Such a good car.

[Doug DeMuro]

I know.

[Filippo]

Also, it's no longer sold.

[Doug DeMuro]

What? Oh yeah, they no longer sell. They got rid of all their plugins.

[Filippo]

It's that. By the way, I was driving the Pacifica hybrid to pick up a china cabinet, but also to go to our events in Scottsdale and I think pictures.

[Doug DeMuro]

Wait, I'm not done. I want to ask another Pacifica hybrid question.

[Filippo]

You.

[Doug DeMuro]

You on this very podcast said that you were gonna drive that pickup truck and the china cabinet back from Arizona with a U Haul. Look what happened.

[Filippo]

Look, some things happened that I thought I could get the truck started and load it onto the trailer.

[Doug DeMuro]

I couldn't.

[Filippo]

Also, the trailer's a little bit too short. I didn't end up renting it.

[Doug DeMuro]

What I had committed to. All of these things were said to you.

[Filippo]

What I had committed to last week was that I was trying to hire a shipper to do it.

[Doug DeMuro]

And what happened?

[Filippo]

It turns out very few people wanna go to Northern Arizona.

[Doug DeMuro]

Okay, so it's a non op truck. You're get the truck running in Ariz.

[Filippo]

I'll do something like that.

[Doug DeMuro]

You're not going to think about it right now.

[Filippo]

Have you considered the sub problem will be solved in the next week? Just. Yeah.

[Doug DeMuro]

Have you considered getting an FKP homage?

[Filippo]

No, I saw that news decided, don't care. I'm gonna just keep putting starter fluid in this car.

[Doug DeMuro]

So. So you got it kind of worked. You haven't got it running or you have got it running?

[Filippo]

I could get started, but going further than that required more than I could do in the back driveway in rural Arizona.

[Doug DeMuro]

Didn't you tell me there was a timing issue?

[Filippo]

The timing isn't fully set, but it's close enough, I think that it would. That would not be the only blocker to running. I can't get fuel in. Like fuel isn't going through a carb. I imagine I could clean the carb and maybe that would work. I'm not a professional. I don't know how to do anything. I called our coworker Colton, who is a. Who's one of our auction managers and was a mechanic and I called him and he guided me through some early steps and then I ran out of ability tools and it was sudden.

[Kenan Rolson]

It was, you know, before you said that our producer was just shaking his head.

[Doug DeMuro]

We all knew that all of this happened.

[Filippo]

I had given up on the U haul plan and I had put it out to get a shipper to do it and it Was just really hard to find somebody to do it.

[Kenan Rolson]

What a struggle.

[Doug DeMuro]

So you still don't have anybody to do it?

[Filippo]

No.

[Doug DeMuro]

Okay, if you live in northern Arizona and you have a flat, flatbed trailer or a flatbed tow truck and you want to haul something from Northern Arizona to San Diego, send us an email. Sean carsandbids.com that's s e a narsarsandbids.com and Felipe will pay. How much will you pay?

[Filippo]

We'll see.

[Doug DeMuro]

Fleet will pay you $2,600. No.

[Kenan Rolson]

It will pay you 10% below market rate.

[Filippo]

I'll be market rate.

[Doug DeMuro]

Well, you just said you can't find anybody to do it. So market rate is whatever the market rate.

[Filippo]

It's real hard.

[Doug DeMuro]

Okay, tell us about the event. You went to an event? Did you go to Mickey's?

[Filippo]

I did not go to Mickey's. I think we have some on the slide.

[Doug DeMuro]

Did anybody ask you to go to Mickey's with them?

[Filippo]

Nobody asked him to go to Mickey's. But I did star in a guy who has a YouTube channel about his sister. Saab900. I did like a pretty long interview about Saab with him in the parking lot.

[Doug DeMuro]

So what kind of did you say? Did you get into your favorite Saab, the 97X?

[Filippo]

It's not my favorite Saab.

[Doug DeMuro]

Really.

[Filippo]

I'm, I'm a pre GM Saab guy.

[Doug DeMuro]

Really?

[Kenan Rolson]

You're.

[Doug DeMuro]

You're going to be a pure.

[Filippo]

He was there in a SAAB 900. An OG sub 900, not an NG sub 900. Obviously that he had manual swapped because it's not hard. Well, fundamentally manual. Yeah. I'm surprised you see folks, an automatic but cool guy. So we, we talked about the history of sa.

[Doug DeMuro]

What other cars showed up. Give me some cars.

[Filippo]

All right. So the event that we were at was in collaboration with Avant and the warehouse. And inside there were a bunch of great cars. FCP Euro brought a couple of cars. But, but Tim from, from BB from BBI Autosports brought a couple of his cars. There were a bunch of other really, really cool cars, including a Series 1E type. But then outside the, in the parking lot there were some real cars.

[Doug DeMuro]

Like a CL03 CL type. Best six speed.

[Filippo]

No, not that real.

[Doug DeMuro]

There was like a Bentley Unadier.

[Kenan Rolson]

Mm, no.

[Doug DeMuro]

Like an Audi Q7 V12?

[Filippo]

Sadly, no. But there were a lot of GT3s.

[Doug DeMuro]

Like a front wheel drive Lotus Elan?

[Filippo]

No, though we have one of those here in the office.

[Doug DeMuro]

Like a. I knew someone in high school. Mazda Navajo.

[Filippo]

No, we did have A Vehicross, though.

[Doug DeMuro]

That's the Navajo of the next generation.

[Filippo]

Truly. The parking lot became a little bit more of a car show than I thought it would be. I guess it makes sense. People that are coming to a car.

[Doug DeMuro]

Like go onto the lot and like crack open a beer and say, oh, look at this. Jeep Grand Cherokee Freedom Edition.

[Filippo]

There were a lot of really, really nice cars in the parking lot. Two police officers from the Mesa Police Department stopped by. So one guy pulled up and I thought he was going to kind of be a little upset by people blocking traffic, turn into the lot, but no, he just pulled over, came out and wanted to talk about the cars in the parking lot and then go inside and check them out.

[Doug DeMuro]

What was his personal car? An Infiniti J30T.

[Filippo]

I didn't ask him. I should have, though.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah, I should have. Yeah.

[Filippo]

The guy who was there was a guy that was assigned by the warehouse. There's like a really cool artist car space that was directing traffic in the parking lot and he had a Ford Mustang gt.

[Doug DeMuro]

Did a Volkswagen Corrado SLC show up?

[Filippo]

Sadly.

[Doug DeMuro]

What about a G60?

[Filippo]

A Corrado G60? Yeah. No.

[Doug DeMuro]

Boy, all the cars I want to see.

[Filippo]

It was legitimately. The vent inside was absolutely incredible. Some really cool cars car, really cool people. And the parking lot was surprisingly, like, strong as a showing.

[Kenan Rolson]

Nice. That sounds.

[Filippo]

There was an SLR McLaren there and.

[Kenan Rolson]

The Pacifica hybrid it had, its alternator was functioning at the time.

[Filippo]

Apparently not.

[Doug DeMuro]

Can you tell us about the dyno situation?

[Kenan Rolson]

Yes. So I have a video that's going to be coming out next week on my SL65. I took it for a dyno test, which is really cool. Now the car had rentech badges on it.

[Doug DeMuro]

Wait, hang on. A dyno is a machine that measures.

[Kenan Rolson]

Horsepower or a large prehistoric creature. But this one, but the spelling is different and it's pronounced Dino in your language. But I took my Dino Sauro.

[Doug DeMuro]

That's what I said.

[Kenan Rolson]

Dino Saururo. So, yeah. So anyway, I, I, I wanted, I was curious because I've been told the car has a Rentech tune on it, but I have no, I have documentation for everything else. I have no documentation verifying that it was added, when it was added or what was added.

[Filippo]

Do you have documentation for the badges?

[Kenan Rolson]

No, nothing related to it. Also has the lowering module, allegedly, but I'm too afraid to mess with that. But. So I was curious what power is making, so I took it to a dyno test and I'll reveal more there. But the Big issue I ran into was that the speed. It has a speed governor on it still. So at 100.

[Doug DeMuro]

But it's not supposed to.

[Filippo]

The Rentech 2 is supposed to remove it.

[Kenan Rolson]

It's not supposed to. But the numbers are confused. I get into it more in the video.

[Filippo]

Do you have to do like a special sequence in the keypad in the center dash to enter Rentech mode?

[Kenan Rolson]

That would have been a good idea had they done that, but they.

[Doug DeMuro]

You know, I. Yeah, I've never. I've never dynoed.

[Kenan Rolson]

Pretty good point.

[Doug DeMuro]

I've never dyno'd an auto car, so.

[Kenan Rolson]

Yeah, well, I mean, it has a manual mode. You want to get to where the gearing is one to one, which is fourth gear. And so you slowly build up to that and then you go for it. The one thing I will say that was interesting and you see in the videos, there's a guy who had to sit on the back of it because the car doesn't have enough weight over the rear tires and just spins them on the dyno.

[Filippo]

But that's what aero is for.

[Kenan Rolson]

That car famously doesn't have.

[Filippo]

Well, especially not when it's not moving.

[Kenan Rolson]

Right. That makes it harder.

[Doug DeMuro]

As far as moving, though. He can get off.

[Filippo]

Off.

[Kenan Rolson]

I assume the guy stayed on the back of the car the entire time, but it was a really cool experience. I've never done a dyno before. I am kind of curious now what the M5 is making. So I might do a video on that. We'll see.

[Doug DeMuro]

And that will be easy to do with the manual. It's kind of sketch.

[Kenan Rolson]

And my car does not. My M5 does not have a speed limiter. It is a little sketch because the car is doing about 160 miles an hour sitting still. And you're like, them wheels are spinning.

[Doug DeMuro]

Quick and it's loud and it feels like some turbine is spinning at some speed where even a little faster and something is going to explode. And there are videos on the Internet of dinos exploding. Exploding.

[Kenan Rolson]

Seen him many times.

[Doug DeMuro]

Or cars exploding.

[Kenan Rolson]

And they even told me it's like, yeah, you can film everything. Just stand over here. So if something does go, it's gonna go past your head. But I'm excited to watch this. It was. Yeah, it was very interesting, I have to say. So, yep, that video goes up on Tuesday of next week.

[Doug DeMuro]

So on the Kenan Rolson Youtubia.

[Filippo]

Yes.

[Kenan Rolson]

On the YouTube.

[Doug DeMuro]

Okay, we gotta go to Market Report. Market Reporters course is brought to you by cars and bids the single finest auction Platform in the history of auction. Platform. Yeah, yeah. To take that.

[Filippo]

I don't.

[Kenan Rolson]

Okay, well said. Really stuck it to the man.

[Doug DeMuro]

I want to talk about the Aero. Can you pull up the Aero?

[Filippo]

This is talk about the Aero.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah, well, I, I got a point to make here. We sold an Aero I think today for 4,100 bucks.

[Filippo]

5,300 bucks.

[Doug DeMuro]

5,000 miles.

[Filippo]

Oh, the survivor era is gone.

[Doug DeMuro]

That's the thing. Everybody's like, oh, that's such a cool survivor car. There's no market for them.

[Filippo]

Not anymore.

[Doug DeMuro]

No one is actually looking for a base model. Even if it has 5,000 original miles. It is just not all that appealing to people. And I continue to see this with survivor cars and some of me actually wonders, like, if you're just looking for a used car that will run, why not buy a survivor on cars and bids like, presumably this has another 10 years left in it. 15 years left in it and you just spent four grand. This is better than any Civic you're going to find on Craigslist. Am I wrong?

[Filippo]

It's not a bad car to buy, except for the fact that it was a bad car to buy.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah, sure. But like for 4,100 bucks, if you just want a car to get you.

[Filippo]

To work that everything is like all the rubber, presumably that hasn't moved.

[Doug DeMuro]

Argument.

[Kenan Rolson]

Everybody says this. I used to say this, but then I've driven some low mileage cars and have no leaks and no issues and no nothing.

[Doug DeMuro]

This is a 3100, isn't it?

[Filippo]

Is it a 3100? 2.4.

[Doug DeMuro]

I think it's all four. That's probably why it's sold so low.

[Kenan Rolson]

I've heard this argument.

[Doug DeMuro]

3100 would have been 20 grand.

[Kenan Rolson]

I understand by design it might have some leaks because it was badly engineered. But like I'm, I haven't run into this like, oh, the rubber shrinks and it leaks. Problem that people talk about a lot more in low mileage cars.

[Filippo]

Fair. There was a brief period of time.

[Doug DeMuro]

Go to the mechanical photos. We'll see. We'll take a look at the rubber. We'll take a look at the rubber. We'll assess it right now.

[Filippo]

Yeah, I think there was a brief period when it could have been more clean.

[Doug DeMuro]

That is clean.

[Filippo]

Yeah. It's a 5,000 mile car.

[Doug DeMuro]

There is not a single GM 2.4 liter that still looks like this.

[Kenan Rolson]

Nope. Normally the alternators are completely rusty or caked with salt.

[Filippo]

Oh, they replaced a oil and filter.

[Kenan Rolson]

Good.

[Doug DeMuro]

That's all you need oil and go. This car, like every aero is going to make it to 60, 70,000 miles before the transmission fails. I think you're going to be just fine, folks.

[Filippo]

Man, that car got to 5,000 miles. They had a 5,000 mile service in February of 2020. Excuse me, of 2003. So they drove 3,5000 miles in the three years and zero.

[Doug DeMuro]

Where is it?

[Filippo]

Florida.

[Doug DeMuro]

Man, that's so Florida. I just think survivor cars are a bargain. I truly believe this. For $4,100 you cannot buy a Civic or Corolla like it doesn't exist, it's a ratty car. Or you can go buy an undriven Alero. And in all honesty, the GM cars this era were pretty reliable. They truly were. GM had kind of worked the stuff out. It was a pretty. It was not a good car. Dynamically. It was bad. The tech is not good. But I bet you this car, if you wanted to start daily it today could last you longer than any equivalent $4,100 car you could buy.

[Kenan Rolson]

It's a very.

[Doug DeMuro]

And that's true of a lot of survivor cars that we sell. There's just no market.

[Filippo]

It's a GM product. So the AC is probably pretty good.

[Doug DeMuro]

Okay, okay. Well, that was interesting.

[Kenan Rolson]

Thank you for that. Thank you so much for that.

[Filippo]

Is a reputationally correct thing.

[Doug DeMuro]

All right, move on to. I want to talk about the NSX and then the Amira situation. Let's talk NSX.

[Filippo]

Yeah, we sold the NSX. That's right. Behind you.

[Doug DeMuro]

Behind me.

[Filippo]

For $80,567 has 321,000 miles. Just about.

[Kenan Rolson]

Hats off to Ryan for taking these pictures.

[Filippo]

Photos look great. You did a really great night drive video. Video. In it you get a review of it.

[Doug DeMuro]

321,001 owner miles and it got all the money. Now part of it is we did a top end rebuilt.

[Filippo]

That helped certainly. But you know the person I spoke with the buyer, obviously we're arranging when they'll come pick it up. He hadn't looked at the service documentation.

[Doug DeMuro]

He just wanted the car.

[Filippo]

The car.

[Kenan Rolson]

Damn.

[Doug DeMuro]

He got a great car. Then he got lucky.

[Filippo]

He was like, does it need any work? Look at the service documentation.

[Doug DeMuro]

No, this thing already have it.

[Filippo]

I wonder if we made super nice guy. We because we were selling alongside Coinbase put in a lot of money to make sure it was perfect for the next buyer. Yeah.

[Doug DeMuro]

So we lost money.

[Filippo]

So we lost money. But obviously every other reasonable human that would have purchased it would have made.

[Doug DeMuro]

A little bit of money, especially the next one.

[Filippo]

Yeah, but it's such an incredible car. I'm kind of jealous.

[Doug DeMuro]

I saw the buyer commented, I'm taking this to 500,000.

[Filippo]

Yeah. He also has an Avor GT that is the same colorway. Memory serves.

[Doug DeMuro]

Colorway, red, black. Damn. I'm here for that.

[Filippo]

That by the way, was previously Jay Leno's press car.

[Doug DeMuro]

It's signed by J. Leno Colorway instead of spec for that.

[Kenan Rolson]

I live in the watch world. I'm already used to. And he's getting there.

[Doug DeMuro]

That thing looks so good there. Look at that. That is a really cool looking car.

[Filippo]

It's such a good car.

[Kenan Rolson]

Just turn around. It's literally sitting.

[Doug DeMuro]

I know, but that photo. This is why you got to take good photos. Cuz I see it sitting there. I'm like, that's pretty cool. Then I look at that photo and I'm like, damn, I want that. I like that. But I want that exactly.

[Kenan Rolson]

Like I said on my tombstone, it will Elias Ken and he asked for better pictures.

[Doug DeMuro]

So that thing was a big sale. I was really happy to see that. Also because of our NSX love, recently we've had a bunch more NSXs come on the site.

[Filippo]

I know there's a couple live right now.

[Doug DeMuro]

There's two live right now. That couldn't be more different. It's literally the opposite of the NSX world. One is a late model stick and the other one first year tip. Both are appealing cars though. This car at 42 is pretty appealing. Like get in and drive it. As a commuter, it can do 320,000 miles.

[Filippo]

That's an interesting point.

[Doug DeMuro]

Interesting point. Like I think this car is cool as hell.

[Kenan Rolson]

Well, you also have to imagine whoever buys it, it's gonna be manual swapped immediately.

[Doug DeMuro]

Maybe.

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[Doug DeMuro]

You don't have to deal with the snap ring thing on this 91 Tiffany tip.

[Filippo]

Nice.

[Doug DeMuro]

You're all good folks. Can I come in the auction? Be like, does it have snappering?

[Filippo]

Can I say about the. The buyer of the one that we, we just sold, he also, he told me on the phone that he has a Z31 and a Z32.

[Doug DeMuro]

Oh wow, wow, wow.

[Filippo]

Right? He has a, he has an. An FDRX7.

[Doug DeMuro]

Damn. He's doing the. He's got a super.

[Filippo]

He has a, an Evo 6.

[Doug DeMuro]

Does he have a Mark IV?

[Filippo]

No.

[Kenan Rolson]

Got an Evo 6 though.

[Filippo]

Looking for a Diablo.

[Doug DeMuro]

Wow. He's a nice man.

[Filippo]

Questionable choice. This guy has taste, but he's got taste.

[Doug DeMuro]

He's a 90s guy. Get him, get him into A Mega.

[Filippo]

Dude, a Mega Cruiser would work. He did say he has an Ineos Grenadier. So maybe a Mega is like a upgrade.

[Doug DeMuro]

Ineos Grenadier is like a Mega for people who aren't ready.

[Kenan Rolson]

I mean, I mean aren't ready. Aren't ready to not be able to do the speed limit.

[Filippo]

I drove the speed limit at a mega 90.

[Kenan Rolson]

Quit downhill with wind.

[Doug DeMuro]

It was, it was lower speed roads.

[Kenan Rolson]

Yeah, that's right.

[Filippo]

He did.

[Doug DeMuro]

But remember the guy who bought the Mega that I reviewed, drove it from Denver to Seattle.

[Kenan Rolson]

Yeah. Just because he did it didn't mean it was like fun or enjoyable.

[Doug DeMuro]

I think about that like pretty often. I thought about it yesterday, just like came into my mind. That guy drove that Mega from Denver to Seattle.

[Kenan Rolson]

How far into that drive do you think he was? He was like, oh man, I've made a mistake. Should have shipped this thing.

[Doug DeMuro]

Littleton when he was in the Littleton. Okay, the other thing I want to talk about is Amiras. Can you hit me with an Amira?

[Filippo]

Yeah. All right.

[Doug DeMuro]

Right.

[Filippo]

Amiras.

[Doug DeMuro]

Amira.

[Filippo]

85 grand is what an Amira is. Just regardless of how you spell it. 85 grand, that is what a manual Amira is. They're all between 85.

[Doug DeMuro]

Here's a. Here's an interesting Lotus.

[Filippo]

That's too much thought. Okay, keep on.

[Doug DeMuro]

The company has been in bankruptcy or near it since I've been alive. The cars all are incredibly desirable.

[Filippo]

I know. How does they retain their value? Obviously MSRP was higher. MSRP was in the low 100. Sorry. For this specific car. That one sold for 86. MSRP was 96. So they've lost a little bit. They're not above market crazy or above that.

[Doug DeMuro]

This car is going to plummet.

[Filippo]

I really wanted it to cuz I really want an Amira.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah.

[Kenan Rolson]

I also.

[Doug DeMuro]

None of them are selling for cheap.

[Filippo]

No. The CH was an automatic that, that failed to sell at 82. Which honestly seems like, I mean, well.

[Kenan Rolson]

Part of it is. I think it is a really good car.

[Filippo]

It is an automatic four cylinder. That should have sold.

[Kenan Rolson]

That should have. Everybody I have talked to who has one loves it. Yes, they're good and like I, I genuinely think they're good cars. So I think the market is clearly speaking like they are desirable.

[Doug DeMuro]

It's weird because then why do we always hear that Lotus is going out of business, gone out of business because.

[Kenan Rolson]

The company poorly manages its finances. The product is good, but how they spend their money is so funny.

[Doug DeMuro]

Even Auroras are hold their value like no Crazy level.

[Filippo]

Really annoying. GTS and Aurora 400s which are the ones you want, are too expensive.

[Doug DeMuro]

I want any Evora and they're all every.

[Kenan Rolson]

Sorry, I don't know.

[Doug DeMuro]

Take that off.

[Filippo]

Why change the A2 +2 or an S which were the early ones are in the 40s and 50s.

[Doug DeMuro]

That's real money though.

[Filippo]

A GT70.

[Doug DeMuro]

This is more money than a Cayman from this era. An 11 Cayman is not $43,000.

[Filippo]

They've retained their value too well. It's really annoying. Somebody that wants a cheap1.

[Doug DeMuro]

Just $43,000.

[Kenan Rolson]

I think it's because they're just like decent cars.

[Filippo]

Especially the GT and the 400 are.

[Doug DeMuro]

That looks so valid. That was a wrap. Yeah, I love that. Why didn't they do that?

[Filippo]

That is cool.

[Doug DeMuro]

That should be oe.

[Filippo]

Lotuses hold their values.

[Doug DeMuro]

Lotuses hold their values.

[Filippo]

Except of course for the Esprit Elytra.

[Doug DeMuro]

That doesn't hold its value. New actually that's gonna hold its value pretty well based relative to the transaction price. There's a 250 sticker but they're gonna transact at 80.

[Filippo]

They can't because Lotuses have to pay 125 grand in tariffs to import it. It's gonna be tough for them to sell it. It is crazy expensive.

[Doug DeMuro]

I do think that a huge part of why these cars hold their value so well is the Toyota powertrains or in the. It's a Toyota powertrain or a Mercedes one.

[Filippo]

Right. Depending on which competent real sports cars. But even by your definition from earlier.

[Kenan Rolson]

They'Re real sports cars and they all look very exotic.

[Doug DeMuro]

This is not my definition, like I just made it up. A sports car is two doors, rear or all wheel drive. And in my opinion should be 2 seats. Should be 2 seats.

[Filippo]

911 not sports cars.

[Doug DeMuro]

Should be 2 seats. Should be rear wheel drive. But I make exceptions when I need to on the all wheel drive and on the two plus two. But they all have two doors. There is no three door sports car. Sorry.

[Filippo]

RX8 every Dodge Challenger V6 sports car.

[Doug DeMuro]

No, I didn't say every. I didn't say every.

[Filippo]

Just to be that.

[Doug DeMuro]

To be that. It has to be. That doesn't mean that.

[Filippo]

Why isn't a V6 challenger a sports car?

[Doug DeMuro]

It's not a sports car. Why? Because. Listen, Filippo, I know it when I see it.

[Filippo]

Okay, great, helpful.

[Doug DeMuro]

Why don't you go car by car and I'll tell you what's a sport car, what's not.

[Filippo]

It's not. This seems like a bad idea.

[Doug DeMuro]

Going to get harkens back to the MGs. Okay, those were sports cars. They were two seat, two door, rear wheeel drive. That was a sports car. Now, we've expanded the definition a little bit over the years.

[Filippo]

Every car basically was rear Wheeel drive.

[Doug DeMuro]

And were they two seat and two doors?

[Filippo]

Many were.

[Doug DeMuro]

Many were like MGs and they were convertibles. You know, I at some point had a purist definition of what if sports car should even be a con, it had to be a convertible. But I've let that go, even though I still think that preferably a sports car has an open roof.

[Filippo]

Really?

[Doug DeMuro]

The Miata is the last time the.

[Filippo]

Roof was off on any of your cars.

[Doug DeMuro]

What do you mean? Ford GT every week.

[Kenan Rolson]

Yeah.

[Doug DeMuro]

All right, Kenan, speaking of market port, what do you got?

[Kenan Rolson]

Yes. So I recently did another video on the cars and bids YouTube channel on this Jaguar XK140. The one. Now, this is an SE, which is very special. So the SE stands for special equipment. In the US they were called something slightly different, but this one was actually called an se. But the big thing this one got is got the Jaguar C type head, which is very desirable. The way you can tell, it's got. The C type has. Is right in the middle. It has a C. It's cast and it's. They're all red at the end. There's also some markings on it that shows that it's got. Yeah, I took a picture of it. It's in here somewhere. But this car, I was shocked. I have almost completely ignored cars in the 1950s because I just. They're just not, like, particularly interesting to me. Then I drove it and I'm like, this is such an experience. There is. It is so raw, but. And it's just so beautiful and so fun. And it's like, I understand that, like, and I say this in the video, I understand that, like, modern, younger enthusiasts, like, I mean, from financial constraint points alone, like, having one car is enough, having two is kind of like, untenable for a lot of people. And I totally get that.

[Filippo]

Yeah. I only own four cars right now.

[Kenan Rolson]

But if you have a little bit more money. Right, exactly. Filippo's rich over here, but if you. If you have a lot of. If you have more room in the garage and a little bit more money to spend, this offers an experience like nothing else. And I think that these are relative bargains, given how cool they are. I think it's one of those beautiful cars. It's historical, historically important. It was fun to drive it's relatively quick and it just. I was shocked at how much I enjoyed it.

[Doug DeMuro]

Good cars. I, I also kind of turned my back on a lot of 50, 60 stuff. But good cars in that era are really good. Yeah, a gull wing is like a really good car.

[Kenan Rolson]

I still haven't driven one, so I.

[Doug DeMuro]

Can'T say, but it's the same kind of idea. Like cars that were good, that were well engineered, that were just. Are good. They may not be as usable. Like the Daytona though, is a special like that. These. There are, there are cars in that era that I now even look at and think, should I.

[Kenan Rolson]

It has really. The Countach opened our eyes to older cars.

[Doug DeMuro]

True. No one in our friend group had a car that old or even close to that old until I got the.

[Kenan Rolson]

Countach or would have even considered. But now it's like I look and.

[Doug DeMuro]

Then it's like, well, if I'm already dealing with carbs, you know, what else should I. You know how and it hasn't been so bad, like what else is out there? Then you start thinking about Daytona's, then you start thinking about these, then you.

[Kenan Rolson]

Start thinking about Dinos on the E type that you recently did a video like that car. I was shocked at how nicely that car drove. Like they really. It also underscores, at one point, Jag was making some of the best cars in the world.

[Filippo]

They really were.

[Kenan Rolson]

Because they had won Le Mans 1951 and 1953 with the C Type. This car was one of the fastest cars on the planet. It was just like so far ahead of its time. My favorite thing, and this is, I can talk about this car forever. In the 1950s, Jag was really into setting speed records. They really wanted to like prove that the cars were durable, reliable and fast. And one of the things they did with an XK was they took it and a guy had driven it for I think it was 100 miles an hour. Over 100 miles miles an hour for 24 hours, only stopping to change the, the driver. Like they changed and one of the drivers got and said, this car is so solid, you can do this for a week. And Jag was like, you know what? Let's do that. And so they did exactly that and they drove one for an entire week. And I think at one point it had suspension issues, but they just kept going. And it's, it's did it 17,000 miles, but it was constantly running for a week, only stopping for fuel and to change drivers. That was it.

[Filippo]

Wild.

[Kenan Rolson]

Yeah. Now when we think Jag it's like reliability doesn't. It is not. But at the time it was like. And this should have been the E type was great and if only they continued that upward trajectory. But they lost the plot somewhere after the XJ220 and like after the XJX20.

[Doug DeMuro]

They definitely lost the plot late in the E type.

[Kenan Rolson]

I think the. For me, I think it was the XJS is where it's.

[Doug DeMuro]

When the XJS came out it was. It was kind of the beginning of the infant Jaguar. But there's been a lot of political change. I mean there was a fuel shortage. That life was different definitely.

[Kenan Rolson]

But I can recognize that the XJ220 and like the XJR15 are very similar special really incredible automobiles.

[Doug DeMuro]

This is the XE Project 8.

[Kenan Rolson]

Yes. Harry Metcalfe. But I think. But this to me was just such an experience and a lot of people commented. It's finally nice to see Ken and review a car from his era which I. Yeah, I don't disagree.

[Doug DeMuro]

I'm glad you liked it so much. I totally agree. I think that really well done cars from this era are do really are surprisingly enjoyable. It's an era that I had completely cast aside until I actually drove some well done cars in this era. And you remember people, people drove these like around like it's now it's looked at as such an imposition to drive an old smelly car. But actually these were. People drove them like it was doable and you couldn't do it again. If you.

[Kenan Rolson]

This was my uncle's first car was an XK150.

[Doug DeMuro]

Really?

[Kenan Rolson]

Which was having driven that. I was like, I don't know how the hell he drove that every day.

[Doug DeMuro]

Nice. Yeah.

[Kenan Rolson]

Well Uncle Chuck, he's a killer, but yeah. Go check out this auction. Go watch the video. And this is also from Carbine Motor Cars, another great seller. So.

[Doug DeMuro]

All right, we gotta move on junk. Questions, questions, questions. Folks, we had great questions this week and you too can ask us questions. You go to carsandbids.com you click on the community tab, there's the cars questions area. Yep. And you click on this and you ask your question. I look through every single question, every one to find the finest, best questions. And so even if it's late in the week, ask your question, you might be answered. I am answering some questions this week that got zero upvotes.

[Filippo]

Whoa, we're getting controversial here.

[Doug DeMuro]

We're going. I just wanted to get the good stuff. Sean's coming to kill us. First question from big boy Car lover. Big boy. Car lover. Douglas, you take pride in having owned a wide range of vehicles, but there is something you've never had. A pickup truck. If you had to buy a truck, old or new, to go with your current fleet, what would you get? I want to be clear. Is it true that I haven't had a pickup truck? That might be true, but I had a Hummer.

[Filippo]

Wagon.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah, but you know, guys in pickup trucks are driving a Rolls Royce compared to that thing.

[Filippo]

What would you have? You have a Ridgeline.

[Doug DeMuro]

Oh, we forgot to talk about the Ridgeline. No, I would never in my life ever consider a Honda Ridgeline.

[Filippo]

What about a Subaru Baja? What about a Brat?

[Doug DeMuro]

No.

[Filippo]

What about a Hyundai Toyota trucks?

[Doug DeMuro]

I, I sometimes think about a four door Tacoma. Four door Tacoma. I like the New Frontier kind of. I like a small mid sized kind of Japanese truck.

[Filippo]

I like the New Frontier is great.

[Doug DeMuro]

I'm not. I don't need a big truck. Like I can't justify or need a big. I like the Ranger a lot. The new one and, and the engine's good. The, the, the one that came out in 19 and the.

[Filippo]

Well, the one that came out in 19 really came out in like 2012 and all.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah, but that was a great truck and it used a great.

[Filippo]

When it came out.

[Doug DeMuro]

That turbo four was a great engine.

[Filippo]

Diesel, Colorado.

[Doug DeMuro]

I don't know. Chevy's. The Chevy trucks have never been as appealing.

[Filippo]

Wow. You're a Ford man. Dodge Dakota convertible.

[Kenan Rolson]

He's a Toyota man.

[Filippo]

For Dodge Dakota. I would get a Toyota convertible.

[Doug DeMuro]

No, no, no.

[Kenan Rolson]

Fleet was genuinely upset about this. I've never seen him since pull up.

[Filippo]

The Dodge Dakota convertibles and toasted.

[Doug DeMuro]

I would if I had to buy any of the full size trucks. Yeah. I'd probably get an F150 over A, over a Silverado.

[Filippo]

Yeah. Who wouldn't?

[Doug DeMuro]

And I would probably get a Ram over both of them if it wasn't.

[Filippo]

We said so many.

[Kenan Rolson]

Yeah, I want the.

[Filippo]

Yeah, a Ram is.

[Doug DeMuro]

The Shelby Dakota is a different situation.

[Kenan Rolson]

That's legit.

[Doug DeMuro]

You know, one thing that has never really appealed to me has been the high performance trucks. Like I've never like Nick wants a Ram SRT 10 Raptor TRX. I love like all those.

[Filippo]

It's not.

[Doug DeMuro]

You never really been into like the concept of actually going out.

[Filippo]

Your, your SUVs have camo fenders, but you're not that. January 6th.

[Doug DeMuro]

Right, right, right, right, right. I'm trying to think, is there anything else that I should be thinking of? Oh, an X Class no, pull up an X Class.

[Kenan Rolson]

Oh, I'm familiar with the X Class.

[Filippo]

We don't talk about the Amarok.

[Doug DeMuro]

The X Class, I would buy.

[Filippo]

It was based on the Amarok, right?

[Doug DeMuro]

No, it was based on the Nissan Navara.

[Filippo]

That's right, it was based on Navara. But isn't the Amar also. Basically, there's a lot of, like, development sharing in the European.

[Kenan Rolson]

I remember doing a presentation in college.

[Filippo]

About that, about this.

[Doug DeMuro]

You know where I saw one of these? Bratislava.

[Filippo]

Wow. Really?

[Kenan Rolson]

I saw one in Durban.

[Doug DeMuro]

You got to be pretty legit.

[Filippo]

Wait, I have one for you to.

[Doug DeMuro]

Be seeing an X class in Bratislava. Any of you viewers out there ever seen an X Class in Bratislava, shout out to Bratislava. You know what they make in Bratislava? The Cayenne. All right, let's move on to the next question.

[Filippo]

Please pull up the, like, 2,000ft at strata.

[Doug DeMuro]

Oh, yeah, I do like the little trucks, the little Mexico trucks, the little Latin America trucks. I do like those.

[Filippo]

Look at that. That yellow one far left.

[Doug DeMuro]

I don't like those. But the current ones, they're atrocious. What's the. The Ram 700 or the Ram Rampage? You know how the. It's the Ram 1500 in Mexico, they sell the Ram 700, and I actually really legit like that.

[Filippo]

Yeah, it's a cool truck.

[Doug DeMuro]

That's also the Fiat Strada, right? Yeah, that's a cool truck.

[Filippo]

But we only think about the 2000.

[Doug DeMuro]

Oh, I like the Maverick a lot. I like a hybrid.

[Filippo]

The Maverick is great.

[Doug DeMuro]

There's a lot of the trucks I would get. It's just never happened. But it will. I love that Ranger.

[Filippo]

No, it won't.

[Kenan Rolson]

Why would it.

[Filippo]

Why would it happen?

[Doug DeMuro]

Because, dude, I gotta transport materials. All right, next question. From Robio, Math, Doug, Filippo, and Kenan, let's hear how fast you've driven and what vehicle you were driving.

[Kenan Rolson]

Fastest you've driven in Mexico, of course. 160 miles an hour. In the SL65 you drove.

[Doug DeMuro]

You've been 160 in your SL65?

[Kenan Rolson]

Yeah, in Mexico, of course. God.

[Filippo]

Close by.

[Doug DeMuro]

It's easy.

[Kenan Rolson]

It moves.

[Doug DeMuro]

You're insane.

[Kenan Rolson]

It's fast. If my M5 was not far behind, I have done 150. Something kill somebody? Nah. No, there's no way around.

[Doug DeMuro]

What about you?

[Filippo]

I don't know. I can't think of. There's not like, a number that's sticking out of my mind.

[Doug DeMuro]

I did 160 on the autobond on a Cayenne Turbo.

[Kenan Rolson]

Oh, I did clatter into the limiter. A couple and was155 is where the X3 limit. X3 M50i on the Autobond that's fast.

[Filippo]

Hit 150km many times.

[Doug DeMuro]

I'll tell you something. 160s a lot. I did it in a Cayenne Turbo. I did it like three times in the same Cayenne Turbo which was actually. Let's check this out. It was actually a gen 957 or whatever the enthusiast 9PA is. Correct. It was like a 2010.

[Filippo]

So a facelift first gen. First gen.

[Doug DeMuro]

Turbo S on the Autobahn going 105 speed automatic. Yeah.

[Kenan Rolson]

Yeah.

[Filippo]

I've stunned. It's geared high enough to do that.

[Doug DeMuro]

It goes.

[Filippo]

It goes.

[Doug DeMuro]

And I had an open stretch. I was there. I was with some sort of business trip with Porsche and they gave us. That was like our car that we all were sharing. The four Americans who had come and I got it for some. For some afternoon. They all had some meeting that I didn't have and I took it out and passed Stuttgart out into the country and I just let it go and I got up to 160 know exactly.

[Kenan Rolson]

The stretch you did it on.

[Doug DeMuro]

It's like terrifying.

[Kenan Rolson]

I think it's great. I didn't find anything scary about that.

[Doug DeMuro]

It was the winter and.

[Kenan Rolson]

Okay. All right.

[Filippo]

So you're doing it on snow tires that are rated to go 120.

[Doug DeMuro]

You know what? I didn't think about that. It probably was on snow tires. That literally didn't cross my mind until this moment. Yeah, it was on snow tire definitely was.

[Filippo]

Yeah. It's required.

[Kenan Rolson]

I don't go that fast very often. But as you before I do like. I do a whole series of checks and like make sure it's like there's a lot.

[Doug DeMuro]

Do you put the speed key in.

[Kenan Rolson]

If it had one? Unfortunately it doesn't. But I would if it did. I like procedure.

[Doug DeMuro]

Boy, is that true. Question for Doug. Kenneth Filippo from Little Bubba. What's your favorite car movie or car mov movies?

[Kenan Rolson]

I. I don't know if it counts but I feel like it does because the car is such a character movie. My favorite movie of all time is Ferris Bueller's Day off and the car is like obviously a pretty cow.

[Filippo]

Spider.

[Kenan Rolson]

Yeah. Rep cal Spider. But Ladna which we've sold a number.

[Doug DeMuro]

Of those on the site for big money.

[Kenan Rolson]

For real money. Which is another topic altogether.

[Doug DeMuro]

My favorite I love gone in 60 seconds dearly strongly. However fast Enough Furious.

[Filippo]

You've only seen the first three.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah, but one I'm only talking about number 1. To be clear, I'm only talking about number 1.

[Filippo]

They become less about cars as they go.

[Doug DeMuro]

The Furious One is the greatest car movie of all time. Period.

[Filippo]

You know what's pretty good? The remake of the Talent Job with Mark Wahlberg. Yeah.

[Doug DeMuro]

It's a mini movie. Right. I don't do Minis. All right.

[Filippo]

I think I agree with.

[Doug DeMuro]

I like Minis. But like, I need real cars in a movie. I need like Ronin.

[Filippo]

There's a Aston something then.

[Doug DeMuro]

Okay, that's not enough.

[Filippo]

There are and over Defenders.

[Kenan Rolson]

Family Man's another good one. That 550.

[Doug DeMuro]

550. Not a lot of 550 Marinello movies.

[Kenan Rolson]

Not many. That was a nice one too. Color combo was good.

[Filippo]

Yep. I can't think of anything that I notably.

[Kenan Rolson]

You know, it was great. The Charlie's Angels movies, like, not great movies. But Ferrari sponsored them at the time because Ferrari want like for advertising. And so they have like Enzo Cow Spider, like tons and tons of like three, six. Cameron Diaz's character drove a 360. And I. Because I believe. I can't remember who it was. But like, they like the. The actress has got to drive the Enzo before any journalist did, like at the time because there's one scene I can't remember if it was. I don't want to say Elizabeth Hurley, but that's not right. There's this girl's getting out of like she was opening the Demi Moore. It was Demi Moore. Thank you. Demi Moore was getting like. Came out of the ocean with like, her surfboard and she goes to like, get in the car and it's an Enzo and gets in and she drove it and so she drove it before.

[Filippo]

Incredible.

[Kenan Rolson]

But it's like Demi Moore at a.

[Doug DeMuro]

Ocean with your surfboard.

[Kenan Rolson]

Yeah. More important position than any automotive journalist.

[Filippo]

We should probably call out the Daniel Craig James Bond movies for deep Ford sponsorship. They. They highlighted a Fusion. They highlighted a car. They really did. They went big.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah, that's true. They went deep forward. Although the. The ones where Ford owned Aston and Jaguar. There was one was at die Another day where there was the green X kr and the start of one of.

[Filippo]

Them has a Thunderbird. Includes a Julia quad.

[Kenan Rolson]

It's so funny when I think James Bond, I think of the DVS and Casino Royale reasonably.

[Filippo]

I think of the. The Ford Fusion. In that same movie, I think I.

[Doug DeMuro]

Still think of the bm, the Ranger. I still think of the BMW.

[Kenan Rolson]

Oh, yeah, of course.

[Doug DeMuro]

When I think of James Bond, I think of Pierce Brosnan. Who, in my opinion, was the best James Bond. Although that opinion is shared by nobody.

[Kenan Rolson]

Nobody.

[Doug DeMuro]

And the BMW, which I think were the best car.

[Filippo]

I have a license plate designed by Pierce Brothman. Keep that in mind.

[Kenan Rolson]

I think the best James Bond usually is the James Bond that was J1 when you grew up. And in our case, it was Pierce Brosnan.

[Doug DeMuro]

Okay, we got two more questions. Next question is from Doug's Nissan Cube. Will Sean ever appear on the Pod? Would be interested to hear about his 360 and G63 ownership. First off, Shawn doesn't have a G63. He's got a bad color G wagon. It's a regular G550, and he's not cut out to own it. He keeps having all these problems that you can chalk up to. To just he's not ready. Like, he needs a grenadier, honestly, is what he needs. He needs, like, a newer car with a warranty.

[Filippo]

Think about how much he'll complain.

[Doug DeMuro]

His 360 ownership's been great. He won't appear on the Pod. Sean is an old friend of mine. He's been in production for a long time. He produced, worked on a lot of shows you've seen if you're in the car world. However, he doesn't like to be in front of the camera, which is a.

[Filippo]

Shame because it'd be nice to have him right there.

[Doug DeMuro]

He says he'll come on the pod eventually. If you want him to come on the pod, write to him at seanarsandbids s-e a [e-mail] s e-a narsandbids.com and.

[Filippo]

If he doesn't reply to you, just email him again.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah, just keep sending him notes, sign him up for stuff.

[Kenan Rolson]

Please don't say that for that.

[Filippo]

Please don't do that.

[Doug DeMuro]

Okay, next question. I'm going to do, actually, two more. Mouse Cop. Very important question for Doug. Why do you no longer get in the back seats of cars that you review? This is a question I get a lot. I. I have back trouble. Serious, real back trouble that I try to avoid doing crazy stuff with my back. I have little kids now, and I want to play on the floor with them, and I don't want to have back trouble. I. Some real incidents with my back that really caused some problems, and I have it for a while now, and I'm just trying to avoid anything like that. So I don't do it anymore, which. I'm sorry.

[Filippo]

I saw you in the backseat of a Honda Prelude.

[Doug DeMuro]

I did get in the back seat of the Prelude. I did. Yeah. I don't do a lot. My job is more physical than it looks. It's not anymore. Cuz I shoot everything in here. But like for a long time I was like in. I was like five hours in the sun every day.

[Kenan Rolson]

You're also kneeling down a lot. Why? You didn't just sit on the box like I do for all those years. I'd never.

[Doug DeMuro]

I never bring a box. Like the difference between me and you is you have a box. Yeah, I have a backpack. I try to be as slim and as easy as possible. Because when you start adding stuff, it means you got to add stuff and one thing.

[Kenan Rolson]

Keep it in and then something.

[Doug DeMuro]

That box doesn't fit in most cars.

[Kenan Rolson]

Yes it does.

[Filippo]

It's not.

[Kenan Rolson]

Look at it. It's not very large. There's literally a backpack next to it and it's barely taller than that.

[Doug DeMuro]

Massive. No, it doesn't fit my Ford gt.

[Kenan Rolson]

Anyway, the point is nothing doesn't have a trunk.

[Doug DeMuro]

Well, there you go. The point is I don't kill myself for this job anymore. I only sit like I did for so many years. Toiling, laying brick out in the hot sun. I was digging holes and something appropriate somehow. I was digging holes and framing houses for so many years. I can't go anymore. Now I sit here on this podcast in an air conditioned space with Filippo.

[Filippo]

Yep. It's a shame we are underground. That's our biggest.

[Doug DeMuro]

Who do you think dug the foundation? It was me. By hand with a steam shovel.

[Kenan Rolson]

Yep. Definition of by hand there.

[Doug DeMuro]

Well but the steam shovel also requires a lot of work. It's not like you just. It's not like modern technology that he uses.

[Kenan Rolson]

You gotta, you know, don't forget it's powered by steam. You gotta have someone to feed the fire.

[Doug DeMuro]

You gotta feed the steam and then burn my skin. I came in at night with burns.

[Filippo]

You know who would do that really well? You would be really good at running a steam locomotive.

[Kenan Rolson]

You know. Yes. I'd also be a good lighthouse keeper. I've been told like a lot of Victorian era things I would be pretty good at.

[Doug DeMuro]

Okay, last. Last. I'm going to do two more but I'm doing very so quickly that it's going to feel like one. Douglas and Philippa, would the new Prelude actually be compelling at the pre tariff.

[Filippo]

Price point tariffs not what impacted that price?

[Doug DeMuro]

No.

[Filippo]

Except now they may because there are. There's talk of additional tariffs on Japan, Japanese vehicles. The president has announced additional tariffs. Will that happen the Prelude.

[Doug DeMuro]

It would have been. Everybody's talking about price point. It would have been so much easier to just give it more power. Like, the whole problem could have been solved with 65 more horsepower and in. And somebody's like, oh, make it cheaper. I don't think it's compelling at 38. Like, I think it's compelling.

[Filippo]

It's. How much is a Civic hybrid?

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah, that's the problem. Like, Civic hybrids are 34 BRZs. I mean, I would rather have a BRZ, and that's like 33 or something.

[Filippo]

Probably a little bit more complex, comfortable. If you want that.

[Doug DeMuro]

You get my point. Yeah, but I don't want that. No one in a coupe segment wants that anymore.

[Filippo]

I don't disagree. You can buy an accord hybrid for 34.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah, it's a good vehicle.

[Filippo]

That's the same mpg as a Prelude.

[Doug DeMuro]

So the answer is no. I truly think that the way to remedy the Prelude is not to make it cheaper, which is what everybody's saying. It's to give it more power, to give it the power that it actually should have. You know, it's funny. Honda's like, we're bringing back this name plate that everybody loved from back in the day. Well, the people who loved it were people who were 17 in 2000. Those people have enough money now to go out and buy it, but they also have expectations of performance that have changed from when they were 17 in 2000 and 200 horsepower felt fast, and Honda hasn't delivered that. And so they hit the nostalgia crowd with something they don't want. I don't want to actually go back to high school. I want to go back to what my high school self wanted. And it is not a 200 horsepower prelude.

[Filippo]

Hard to argue with that.

[Doug DeMuro]

Okay, last question from my Cash Viper. Doug, you mentioned during your reviews that a certain car drives better or worse than a similar car in the second segment. As a journalist, it makes sense to say these comments, but how do you remember when you have driven so many cars in your lifetime? This is my job. Of course I remember.

[Filippo]

Doug has an. For those that don't know Doug personally, he has an exceptionally good memory.

[Doug DeMuro]

But also.

[Filippo]

Which does matter.

[Doug DeMuro]

This is what I do every. In your job, you put probably remember how to. What do people do in their jobs?

[Filippo]

I don't know. Index match in Excel. Vlookup in Excel.

[Doug DeMuro]

Filippo can do a pivot table. Filippo can do a pivot table like that. You ask him to do a pivot table. Doesn't sleep. Doesn't even use the mouse. He just uses the keyboard shortcuts. Okay. That's the equivalent. Okay. I went to the heart doctor. I got some heart thing. I went to the heart doctor and I wore, like, a heart patch for like, three weeks or something. And I went in there and I said, yeah, here's the data. And he said, oh, this is nothing. I said, and I'm looking at it, right? And it's like this.

[Filippo]

Right? Right.

[Doug DeMuro]

And I'm like, oh, how do you know? He goes, I've been doing this a long time.

[Filippo]

Yeah. Fundamentally, you're right. Like, it is your job to remember how those cars drive, to pay really close attention to that.

[Doug DeMuro]

This is what I do. It's the only thing that I do.

[Filippo]

I'm going to keep that clip.

[Doug DeMuro]

All right. Do we have anything else, Filippo, do you have any final thoughts for the audience?

[Filippo]

No, but keep checking out our event. If you missed all, one in Phoenix, we're going to have an event here at our office with Avant. If you're an Avant San Diego member, you should go check that out. Sign up.

[Doug DeMuro]

If I'm an Avant San Diego member, am I a member on all the Avonces?

[Filippo]

I believe so. I don't know. That's a question for the Avant folks. Sorry, Kevin.

[Kenan Rolson]

The answer is yes to that. Yes.

[Doug DeMuro]

You. You got any parting? He's just going to promo us and I can't take it anymore. You got parting?

[Filippo]

The cards are on the dab.

[Kenan Rolson]

Yes. The Avon. So you can talk to our friend Kevin signed up. Yes. Just check out my. I've got a lot of cool YouTube content coming, so go check. Thank you. I've been trying to.

[Filippo]

Wasn't I invited?

[Kenan Rolson]

What? We'll do something together. But go check out my YouTube channel. It's Ken and Rolson.

[Filippo]

I want to be clear, not to be in it, but to just see a Dino run.

[Kenan Rolson]

I will invite you for the M5.

[Doug DeMuro]

These guys are promoing stuff. I'm not going to promo anything. I'm only going to say one parting thought, which is send us an email. Sean carsandbids.com Just to check in. S E A narsandbids.com Goodbye, everyone.

[Kenan Rolson]

Goodbye.

[Filippo]

Goodbye, January.

[Doug DeMuro]

Close your eyes. Exhale. Feel your body relax. And let go of whatever you're carrying today.

[Filippo]

Well, I'm letting go of the worry that I wouldn't get my new contacts in time for this class.

[Doug DeMuro]

I got them delivered free from 1, 800 contacts.

[Filippo]

Oh, my gosh.

[Doug DeMuro]

They're so fast. And breathe.

[Filippo]

Sorry. I almost couldn't breathe when I saw.

[Doug DeMuro]

The discount they gave me on my first order. Oh, sorry. Namaste. Visit 1-800contacts.com today to save on your first order. 1-800-contacts.