WhistlinDiesel Arrest, Koenigsegg Chaos, and the New Honda Prelude Costs How Much?!

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Episode Summary: WhistlinDiesel Arrest, Koenigsegg Chaos, and the New Honda Prelude Costs How Much?!

Date: November 21, 2025
Host: Doug DeMuro
Co-Hosts: Kenan, Filippo

Overview

This extra-packed episode is a whirlwind tour through some of the wildest happenings in the automotive world this week. Doug, Kenan, and Filippo dive deep into the high-profile arrest of YouTuber WhistlinDiesel, dissect explosive Koenigsegg reliability drama, and react—mostly with jaw-dropped disbelief—to the pricing of the all-new Honda Prelude. From legal rants and $40k Hondas to badge-engineered SUVs, the pod stays both expert and irreverent. Automotive market updates, personal car-buying stories, and lively listener Q&A round out what the team dub “our biggest pod ever.”

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Major Discussion Topics

1. WhistlinDiesel’s Arrest & The “Montana Plates” Tax Loophole

(01:04 – 15:01, Highlighted Rant 02:27 – 11:21)

• Background: Viral car YouTuber WhistlinDiesel was arrested for tax evasion, specifically related to registering exotic cars via a Montana LLC to avoid state taxes—then posting about it online.
• Doug’s Detailed Rant:
  • Admits to being a huge WhistlinDiesel fan; even bought a piece of his parted-out G-Class: “He is my everything. I mean this…he’s my favorite YouTuber.” (03:43)
  • Summarizes the legal particulars: Tennessee (and most states) do NOT care who owns the car—if it’s operated in-state more than 30 days, it must be registered there.
  • License Plate Readers: New automatic license plate reader technology makes enforcement trivial—states now track car location and duration with precision.
  • Insurance as the New Battleground: Utah law requires registration if insured locally—an effective closure of the Montana loophole.
  • Acknowledges some states (like Louisiana) have laxer laws, but “the beginning of the end for the Montana thing is license plate readers and the states actually trying to go after it now.” (06:52)
  • Expresses sadness for enthusiasts using Montana only for smog/inspection avoidance, not tax fraud: “Montana has been ruined by rich people who didn’t want to pay sales tax on their McLaren.” (08:09)
  • Debunks two common internet excuses:
    • “But U-Hauls are all registered in Arizona!”—Commercial vehicles have separate, apportioned plate rules.
    • “But sales tax on used cars is unfair!”—If you want the law changed, work to change it.
  • Bemoans WhistlinDiesel’s actual arrest (rather than a demand letter): “Any other state…you get a letter. Here’s your tax burden...Going and arresting a person…is idiotic.” (10:05)
  • Concludes: “If you’re still doing this…these states know what’s going on and this is not gonna continue to last.” (12:58)
• Memorable Quotes:
  • “God himself could own the car. But if God is operating the car in Tennessee for 30 days, he...has to register it.” (03:20)
  • “If you can afford the car, pay the tax.” (14:17)
  • “Follow your state’s guidelines and rules, please.” (14:33)

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2. Koenigsegg Reliability Drama: Hamilton Collection vs. Christian von Koenigsegg

(16:14 – 21:14)

• Background: Steve from The Hamilton Collection publicly aired his grievances over Koenigsegg reliability; Christian von Koenigsegg responded directly via Instagram.
• Discussion Highlights:
  • “You got two interesting characters going at it here.” (16:35)
  • Koenigsegg’s unique situation: Customers can literally interact with the founder—a rare connection in today’s car world. “Imagine if you could have bought a Ferrari from Enzo...” (17:45, 18:47)
  • Reliability woes are “par for the course”—these are experimental, boutique hypercars.
  • Both sides make valid points: “I don’t necessarily think either of them are wrong. Hamilton’s got a legitimate problem…Christian’s saying ‘here we are. This isn’t Ferrari. This isn’t Toyota.’” (20:29)

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3. Honda Prelude Returns—at $43,000?!

(21:14 – 27:44)

• Reveal: The new Honda Prelude—a two-door coupe based heavily on the Civic Hybrid—is priced at $43,195.
• Panel’s Reaction: Disbelief and light ridicule.
  • “$13,000 more expensive than the Honda Civic on which it’s based.” (22:40)
  • “This is one of the single worst strategies...We didn’t want this.” (22:45)
  • Direct price comparisons: The Nissan Z (400hp V6) starts at $44k; base Mustang and 2-Series are cheaper.
  • Consensus: The value proposition is “nuts” and “can’t last more than a year or two.”
• Memorable Quotes:
  • “If you buy one of these, you should absolutely do the Montana plate thing because you need to save every penny you can after wasting tens of thousands of dollars on the purchase price of this car.” (26:36)

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4. Badge Engineering Mayhem: Nissan Rogue Plug-In Hybrid = Mitsubishi Outlander

(27:52 – 33:57)

• Explainer: Nissan’s new Rogue Plug-In Hybrid, for the U.S. market, is essentially a rebadged Mitsubishi Outlander—even with the same body, interior, and only minor cosmetic changes.
• Amused Outrage: “They’re reusing that exact design for their car ...they have a Rogue and then a Rogue hybrid that...looks identical to a car sold by a different manufacturer.” (28:42)
• Historical Parallel: Bizarre moments in badge engineering history—Scion iA/Yaris hatchback.
• Trivia and Niche Knowledge: Nissan owns Mitsubishi; Outlander’s 2026 facelift gives it slightly better specs not yet ported to Rogue.

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5. More Industry News & Quick Hits

• Jeep Recon (EV): 650hp, 250-mile range, $65k. Panel loves the looks but wonders: “Who is buying an off road EV?” (34:00 – 37:34)
• Porsche Cayenne Electric: Fastest SUV quarter-mile, up to 1,160 hp on overboost; inductive charging innovation; range circa 350mi. (37:26 – 42:30)
  • “Why do we not...have the fastest car in this drag race? We’re Porsche!” Doug speculates on Porsche’s motivation. (39:06)
• Ford Focus and Fiesta Go Extinct: Last Focus built; Ford and Europe’s hatchback era waning. Nostalgic discussion. (43:55 – 46:38)
• Mercedes-AMG Models Discontinued: Strict EU noise regs and flagging demand axe C43, GLC43, GLA35, C63 by 2026. (49:21 – 51:33)
• Hyundai Crater Concept: Preview of a potential off-road Hyundai EV—panel believes it’ll come to production. (51:43 – 55:02)
• Volvo Ditches LiDAR on EX90: Supplier trouble, tech headaches (including iPhone camera breakage) prompt Volvo to scrap rooftop LiDAR. (55:26 – 57:13)

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6. Personal Segment: Filippo in Japan

(62:18 – 65:43)

• Filippo shares travel stories from Japan: trains, rental Yaris (hated it), and creative musings about Tokyo/Kyoto as rearranged scrambles of one another.
• Panel marvels at Japanese car culture—a surprising number of American and European cars; distinct cross-cultural obsessions.

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7. Car Buying Dilemmas & Anniversary Car Talk

• Filippo’s Hunt: Still on the fence for a 991-generation 911 or a 981 Boxster. Teasing from Doug and Kenan about his chronic indecision.
  “If this doesn’t end with you buying a car...I will never support you in anything.” (69:46)
• Kenan’s E60 M5: 10-year anniversary owned; spends <$1,400 on maintenance this year. Considers exhaust mod once it’s not a daily.
• Garage Space: Brief discussion of the panel’s various parking challenges, from cramped city garages to shared apartment structures. Doug’s home setup: 4-car garage with a Bendpak lift.

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8. Used Market Highlights

• Jaguar F-Type: Now a $20k used car—“beautiful car for 20.” V8s and manual V6s at $25k.
• Toyota Supra (A90/Mk5): Recent stick/manual, big-motor models have a real following and strong used prices, “slept on” by some but unlikely to ever “be $20k cars.”
  “The modding community showed up for them.” (78:36)
• SF90 Ferrari: Still dropping in value (“should be a $300k car”), but Doug would choose a V12 Mercedes over one “until the day this is cheaper than a Murci.” (83:29)

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Listener Questions & Rapid-Fire Segment

Selected Q&A:

• Why 993 Turbo over 996 GT2? (Practicality, desire for a “less raw” experience).
• What did the Urus do right vs. DBX/Purosangue (or Revuelto vs. SF90)? Lamborghini nailed branding, timing, and segment expectations.

Notable Quotes:

• “I live at the intersection of raw and insane. That’s where my house is.” – Doug, on his car collection taste. (85:11)
• “They started focusing on luxury. The 997 that really starts to feel like the Benz...” – On Porsche’s shift away from analog sports cars. (86:38)
• “Hashtag save Whistlin.” – Kenan, wrapping all things Montana/Montana plates. (98:42)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

| Topic | Timestamps | |------------------------------------------|--------------| | WhistlinDiesel Arrest / Montana Plates | 01:04–15:01 | | Koenigsegg vs. Hamilton Collection | 16:14–21:14 | | Honda Prelude Price Meltdown | 21:14–27:44 | | Rogue–Outlander Badge Swap | 27:52–33:57 | | Jeep Recon (EV) Launch | 34:00–37:34 | | Porsche Cayenne EV Discussion | 37:26–42:30 | | Ford Focus/Ford hatchbacks End | 43:55–46:38 | | Mercedes AMG Models Discontinued | 49:21–51:33 | | Hyundai Crater Concept | 51:43–55:02 | | Volvo EX90 Ditches LiDAR | 55:26–57:13 | | Filippo in Japan | 62:18–65:43 | | Car-Buying Stories / Garage Talk | 66:01–91:26 | | Used Market Report | 73:40–80:47 | | Listener Q&A | 80:46–end |

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In the Pod’s Own Words — Standout Moments

• Doug on shifting regulatory winds:
  • “You cannot get away anymore with the days of license plate readers.”
  • “This is kind of the beginning of the end for the Montana situation.” (06:51)
• On Honda’s mis-step:
  • “We didn’t want this...Are they joking?” (22:58; 25:12)
• Koenigsegg’s old-school allure:
  • “40% of, in my mind, what makes Pagani and Koenigsegg cool is that you can shake the man’s hand.” (19:41)
• Filippo, endlessly tortured by indecision:
  • “I would appreciate you guys supporting and helping me.” (66:18)
• Doug, ever the provocateur:
  • “If you’re still doing this [Montana plates], you’re looking at him. He got arrested. These states know what’s going on and this is not gonna continue to last.” (12:58)

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Conclusion

An informational and delightfully chaotic episode bursting with inside-baseball car news, legal rants, market insight, and debate. Whether discussing tax loophole crackdowns, the privilege of boutique hypercars, or a Honda coupe priced like a luxury Z, the team’s unfiltered, expert banter makes this episode a standout for enthusiasts and casual listeners alike.

Closing note: “Remember one thing and one thing only: Free Whistlin—but if you do Montana, they’re coming for you!” (98:59)

Transcript

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[A]

Hello, and welcome to this car pod.

[C]

I'm Kenan.

[B]

I'm Filippo.

[A]

This is gonna be our biggest pot ever. There is so much to cover, starting with the biggest news story of the week. Whistling. Whistling Diesel's arrest. We got some drama news first and then we'll get into car news. Whistlin Diesel has been arrested. It's a travesty. No, I'm kidding. It's not a travesty. And I want to. I want to just do it.

[B]

Coming out strong against Cody. Are you ready?

[A]

Listen, I want to start by saying I am an absolute. I am Whistling's biggest fan. I watch every video. I love whistling. I have been on the record talking about how much I adore Whistlin Diesel. Yeah, we bought one of. We bought.

[C]

We both died.

[A]

Yeah, we bought part of his G wagon that.

[B]

That he.

[A]

That he tore apart and he sold parts of it.

[C]

We love.

[A]

I love Whistlin Diesel. He got arrested this week. Ostensibly what's been published and what he has confirmed is that he got arrested for tax evasion for mont plates on his car, on his Ferrari, which he.

[B]

Destroyed by burning down a cornfield. It burned down a corn.

[C]

That's all. That's Filippo upset about the car. Filippo's upset about the corn.

[A]

He has already come out. And I've decided I'm going to use our podcast today, the largest automotive podcast, to do a little Montana plates rant. I think it's time to just really cover this and shut this all down.

[C]

Buckle in, Filippo. Here we go.

[B]

I am back for a day.

[A]

Whistling, who I love dearly and sincerely, has already gone on his Instagram and started to advocate for himself using the primary argument that people who do the Montana plate thing use, which is I don't own the car. A business in Montana owns the car. Therefore I am not liable to pay taxes in my state of Tennessee. There's only one problem with that. The law in the state of Tennessee, which I have right here, disagrees with you. The law is very clear. It says a non resident owner of a private passenger automobile, that would be the Montana LLC is the non resident owner who operates the vehicle in this state shall not be entitled to reciprocity in a period in excess of 30 days. And the problem with the argument, well, I don't own the car. They own the car in Montana. So the state law doesn't distinguish. And this is the issue that almost everybody has when I see these arguments on Renlist and on Ferrari chat and on Reddit. Oh, but I don't own the car. The law says if you operate in the state for more than 30 days, you must re register the vehicle in the state. That's what Tennessee law is. It doesn't care who owns the car. God himself could own the car. But if God is operating the car in Tennessee for 30 days, he, he's gotta register it in Tennessee. The law is very clear. It does not talk about the owner of the car. It talks about the place where the car is operated right now.

[C]

I suspect the reason that the states have difficulty proving this. They have to prove that the car.

[A]

They have to prove that the car has been in the states for 30 days. In the state for 30 days used to be difficult to prove, but something interesting has happened. Over the last decade, license plate readers have showed up all over the country. You do not notice them when you are driving around. They are high on telephone poles and there are license plate readers that look down and constantly are getting license plate information. Now here in California, a little lib state license plate readers have been very lightly dispatched and the use of license plate readers has been heavily curtailed to the California Highway Patrol. They are basically not really able to use license plate readers for the purposes of enforcing this law, isn't it?

[C]

They can't even look back beyond that.

[A]

They only can look back 90 days unless there's like a murder they're investigating. So they're not using it for this purpose. However, in the Republican states which are super blue lives matter, let's enforce the law. There has been a much different deployment of license plate readers and the result of that is that these states do have the ability to pretty easily figure out if you have been operating your car in the state for 30 days, 60 days, 90 days or many years. Now I looked up the law in a few states, California law, is the same. They don't care who owns the car. Montana person, a Florida person. If you're in the car in the state with the car for 30 days, you have to register it in the state. That's the law. Utah has an amazing law. They start tying it to insurance. And I think this is the real key to the whole thing, because Utah's figured out nobody's gonna play the game with insurance. What everybody does is they get a cheap liability policy in Montana, and then they get a full insurance policy in the state where they actually operate the car. Because you have to. If you get in an accident. The Utah's law is, hey, if you insure the car in Utah, you have to register in Utah. That will put a stop to the Montana thing completely if you get pulled over. Now, I will say, I looked this up. There are some states that do not tie the operation of the car to registration. Louisiana. A guy in Louisiana arrested for doing this with an rv, which is also a popular Montana thing because they're so expensive, took him to court, and the court sided with him. The Louisiana law said that if an owner has the car, then he has to register it. And he was like, well, I'm not the owner of the Montana. And the court actually sided with him and he didn't have to pay his fees. Louisiana law, and there are probably other states, that law is vague about this, and you could get away with it. But that's not true in California. It's not true in Tennessee. It's not true in Utah. I have a friend in Massachusetts who got his car impounded, really running Montana plates. And they impounded the car until he registered in Massachusetts. And you cannot get away anymore with the days of license plate readers. And I think that Whistlin Diesel, and I love him dearly. He is my everything. I mean, this. I love him. He's my favorite YouTuber. I think this is kind of the beginning of the end for the Montana situation.

[B]

He's an example.

[A]

I think they are trying to make an example of him. And the fact that Tennessee is cracking down, everybody's like, oh, California is cracking down. Liberals, they want to get everything. Government's in your pocket. Well, Tennessee, Georgia had a big thing a couple of years ago where they arrested, like, these states want their money. They don't care if it's Republicans. They want their money. And I think that this is gonna be the end of the month. The beginning of the end of the Montana thing is license plate readers and the state's actually trying to go after it now. I will say the thing that makes me sad about this is that there are legitimate reasons to do Montana. California's smog laws are actually stupid. Like my G wagon, which we spent 10 months and $10,000 in order to get it California compliant, just to prove to the state of California that it has the very same engine that it had in Europe that it had in the US we still had to spend a year and $10,000. I think it's totally reasonable to run Montana plates so you can avoid smog when you're not actually polluting anymore. And guess what? After all those 10 months in the state lab, they discovered, oh, it has the same emissions profile. It's stupid, it's silly. Those kind of things. Inspection. If you want to have your stanced LS400 in New Jersey and you don't want to go to state inspection, well, I'm here for you.

[B]

Maybe there's a reason I'm here for you.

[A]

No, we let those people fly their LS400 flag. And the thing that annoys me is that for all of you who are out there doing, you know, when I see a huracan on Montana's, I'm like, what a loser. When I see a right hand drive delica on a South Dakota plate, give them a little nod and you move on. Montana though, for all of us who have done it to avoid smog, we don't care about the taxes to avoid smog, to avoid inspection. It has been ruined by people, rich people who didn't want to pay sales tax on their McLaren. And that has come and has got you. And if you're out here driving one of these cars that is doing Montanas because you, you have to get away from the inspection people, the right hand drive thing, you should be annoyed that these people with their huracans and with their McLarens have gone out and tried to avoid taxes. Now I want to make two other quick points here. The biggest argument I see about Montana online when it comes up, well, all the U Hauls are registered in Arizona. How do they get away with it? U Hauls and commercial trucks are governed under something called the International Registration Plan, which gives apportioned license plates to commercial vehicles. This allows commercial vehicles unrelated to supercars to pay state taxes based on the miles they drive within each state. This was created decades ago. Back in the day, trucks operating over the road used to have five license plates on them for the states they went to. That was decided to be stupid. So now you register in one state, but you pay taxes to all the states. That's how it's done. It's a commercial truck thing. It's totally unrelated. It has nothing to do with this. And I was on Reddit and I saw some guy got 500 upvotes being like, well, you haul does it so why can't Whistlin? It's not the same. U Haul has a. There is a specific law, a reciprocity agreement between all states that covers U Hauls. I also want to make the point the other big argument I see when people get into this whole thing, oh, well, fine, you're supposed to pay the sales tax, but they're going to use it stupidly and you shouldn't pay sales tax on a used.

[C]

Good.

[A]

Change the law. This is a democracy. Change the law. You know why you haven't changed the law yet? Because there's not a lot of empathy out there for people who get in and say, I can't believe they're charging me sales tax on A used $300,000 Ferrari. That's why the law hasn't been changed yet. Because most people actually agree with the law. They want to use the roads and have police and fire departments and there is no sympathy for people. Oh, they're not going to use the money, right? Well then get the law changed. There is no political will to change the law because the law is correct as it is written. No matter how much you don't want to pay sales tax because you can barely afford your huracan. I will say one thing in Whistland Diesel's defense. I think it's wild he got arrested. Any other state? Every other state I've heard deal with this. It's a letter in the mail. We know you're avoiding sales tax. You got 30 days to pay up. Make it right to go and arrest a person. I mean, I know they're trying to make an exam. It's stupid. It's just silly. They wouldn't have done it for any other person other than him. Everybody else, you get a letter. Here's your tax burden. We know you're lying. If you want to challenge it, you can do this. It's silly. It's an idiotic thing to do. I hope it benefits him greatly. I hope that he's able to make an amazing video based on the arrest.

[C]

I think it has. Just based on what he's posted, I think it's actually been a good thing for him.

[A]

So there's my Montana plate rant. I Wanted to cover all of the arguments and all of my thoughts on the Montana thing. It's sketch. I know a California collector who had a really DMV sent him a letter. He paid the tax after. But they got in a ton of trouble recently. My Massachusetts friend, the Utah thing. This is going away. The license plate readers is going to put this away. Not going to be able to do this anymore.

[C]

My car's registered in California. Don't have to think about it.

[B]

Hopefully all of mine are. What do you think they are? My full 20, $35,000 in vehicle value is all here. Now that I really appreciate legitimately that 11 minute rundown of.

[A]

I do think it's important you support all these arguments online by people who think they know better. And the simple truth is there's a lot more to this than you realize. And there's no reason why the states don't want to go after their money.

[B]

Right. And they have a lot of incentive to do it. I am surprised, I'm disappointed but not surprised by the example that they've tried to create here in Whistle and Diesel. There's also some question in my mind of whether there's additional charges that the state may want to bring.

[A]

It seemed a lot of money in bail for this. I would say it was reported as both 2 million and 200,000. Now in some states you can put up 10% of bail to get out. So I'm not sure which was the correct, correct one. It still seems like a lot considering that probably their assessment of his sales tax evasion is 20 grand.

[B]

Yeah, 7% of the value.

[A]

If you pay attention in his videos. He's got all these cars registered in Montana. There's probably a six figure balance due there. But I wouldn't be shocked that it's.

[B]

To say if there's another shoe that drops on some of this. But nevertheless quite a big show of force for a tax evasion issue.

[A]

Yeah, it is. It's kind of silly to be honest. And I feel bad for. I mean he doesn't care probably. He loves it. He loves it as a channel. He bailed out in two hours. It's no big deal. Gonna write the text, the thing and whatever. But I do think it's a bit of a silly thing to do. But I also think like this is kind of the beginning of this Montana thing. If you're still doing this, you're looking at him. He got arrested. I have personal stories. A lot of people have personal stories. These states know what's going on and this is not gonna continue to last. Do we know anybody who's doing Montana anymore? Just Nick, but he's not.

[C]

He stopped the multiple.

[A]

I believe another good example of a car that has done Montana because the smog regulation is ridiculous. It's gonna do 1,000 miles a year car. He's, you know, sales tax on the car would be 100 bucks.

[C]

Right, exactly. Which he'd happen.

[A]

But now he's getting screwed because all the high profile people have gone out there and made a big thing of it, stealing money from the estates. And so now nobody can do it.

[B]

Let me put it this way. Drive it around. We know some people.

[A]

I, I have some. I have some acquaintances. We've all. We all, all of, all of us have dabbled in it. I've never dabbled. There was a. There were thoughts on all of our minds that we would at some point.

[B]

I've literally never considered it.

[C]

I talked about. But like it didn't end up being.

[A]

A thing and now it won't. I'm not doing anymore. This is clear. I'm not getting arrested.

[C]

Come on. They did not for that car.

[A]

It's also just not worth it.

[C]

Yeah, no, it really, it really is.

[A]

If you can afford the car, pay the tax or so. Many states allow loopholes like, oh, write the amount on the bill of sale. Like take advantage of that. I'm sure Tennessee, you know, Tennessee is not out there checking.

[B]

Don't just follow your state guidance.

[A]

Follow your state's guidelines and rules, please.

[B]

Thank you.

[A]

But if lax rules around the bill of sale.

[C]

All right, I can see a bead of sweat.

[A]

You get my point? That is in all honesty, that is another thing. I look at these singers and I'm astonished. These guys are driving around in what is titled as a 1989 Porsche 911. That is a $23,000 car to your state tax authority. And they're still driving on tail plates. Like, what are you thinking? Just get the damn car titled what is wrong with you?

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[A]

More drama.

[B]

What a start to the podcast you've.

[A]

Been following this one.

[B]

Oh absolutely.

[C]

I love this.

[A]

The Hamilton Collection fella, Steve. Steve, I think his name, he came out and he's accused the Koenigsegg fella, Christian, Christian Vaughn, of making an unreliable car. Yeah, I don't want to say any more on the topic. I think my thoughts have been out there.

[B]

They sure have.

[A]

I think you got two interesting characters going at it here.

[B]

It's fascinating to see a very wealthy man with quite a collection call out an automaker and then have the CEO and founder of that automaker then respond via Instagram reels to it.

[C]

It's like what is happening back in the day. Ferruccio Lamborghini criticized Enzo Ferrari for his, I think it was clutches in the, in the cars. And then what happened was a spike company. I don't think that's exactly going to happen here.

[B]

It's kind of.

[A]

I do want to make a point here. Hamilton was complaining because the Koenigsegg that he currently has is, has been unreliable. And Christian came out and said, well, the car had been had, had deferred maintenance and you drove it before we could do work on it. And also you have another if you hate it so much, why you have another one coming? I will say two things. One, everyone I know who has Konig 6 has problems with them. Whether or not they are willing to admit that is interesting. I noticed some people in some of the comment sections being like we love the Arconic Seg. People are afraid of not getting other ones. They're not getting more allocations. I know people who have problems with that said the coolest thing about this company and you're surprised to see him respond on Instagram reels.

[B]

Not surprised. It's interesting.

[A]

The coolest thing about this company is that the guy is here. Yeah, the guy is here. Imagine if you could have bought a Ferrari from Enzo. Imagine if you could have bought a Lamborghini from Ferruccio. If you buy a Bugatti, you are buying from a large multinational conglomerate owned by Volkswagen.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know, and they take you to the factory in that house and they give you a nice meal, and they just say all these things, but, like.

[C]

The man's name's on the car.

[A]

You're buying from Enzo. I mean, that's what's happening. And so, like, the cars are trouble, but they're also the highest echelon of insane. And you kind of expect trouble.

[C]

Yes. I mean, famously, the cars pushed the envelope of, like, automotive engineering and creative new ideas. And it's all. All kind of experimental. I mean, it's tested and stuff, but it is largely. I mean, that's why people are attracted to the cars, and that's why they produce the horsepower figures they can and all those things. So it's like. I agree. I think it's kind of par for the course. Like, what did you expect? This is a company in Sweden making.

[A]

Supercars, making all the individual parts.

[C]

Right.

[A]

And the guy is here. Right.

[C]

It's a boutique thing.

[A]

Imagine if we could have bought a 250pf from Enzo at the factory in the day.

[C]

Well, the market doesn't like the pf. Don't you agree that you would have.

[A]

Put up with more temperamental BS if you could have shaken the guy's hand?

[C]

Yes.

[A]

Because you feel like you're buying not just a car like a Bugatti, but you're buying like this. Experience like this. You're in the period with the man in a hundred years when he's dead. And Koenigsegg has become what Ferrari is, a company that has been radically sized up by private equity that makes an suv. There will be people who talk about how they shook Christian's hand and used to own them in the days when it wasn't so easy. You should. Christian's hand.

[C]

You should know better. Yeah, you're absolutely right. I agree with that. I just think it is wild that we live in a world where the guys whose name is on the car is calling out a customer.

[A]

And that's the cool thing about it. To me, that's the cool thing about Horatio. Like, that's to me that.

[C]

Well, Horatio's translator, to be clear, that.

[A]

Is 40% of, in my mind, what makes Pagani and Hakonexic cool is that you can shake the man's hand. And honestly, he wants to. Like, he wants to meet his customers and talk to them and have these experiences with them and. And Ferrari. Have your talk to your dealer.

[B]

Well, or they'll sue you.

[A]

Or they'll sue you.

[B]

He would have gone away from Ferrari.

[A]

Right, If he had done this about Ferrari. Oh, my God. Cease and desist.

[C]

Yeah, we've gotten a cease and desist later to frame. Like everybody else has ever said anything.

[A]

Bad about that, but here you're talking. I just. To me, I wouldn't. I don't know that I would buy a Koenigsegg. I don't know if I would want to put up with it. The people who do put up with it are also putting up with a test bed of experimental at the very cutting edge of insane technology and customer service from the guy. It's so cool. That's part of what you're able to say, in my opinion.

[B]

I'm with you.

[A]

I don't necessarily think either of them are wrong. As a result, Hamilton's got a legitimate problem. The car's troublesome. However, Christian's saying, well, the cars are troublesome, but, like, here we are. This isn't Ferrari. This isn't Toyota.

[B]

You're obviously spending an incredible amount of money to get a product, and you want that product to work and to get service. But also, yeah, you're buying that car because you want the ultimate. You want the pinnacle.

[A]

And having the part of having the experience is reliability may be a little bit difficult because. And also, like the experience of being direct line to the factory, that kind of stuff, which you can never get from the other automaker.

[C]

I'm just looking forward to the day when Horacio Pagani's translator yells at somebody else and. Or Gordon Murray yells at somebody through Instagram too. I'm looking forward to that.

[A]

All right, there's a lot more news, starting with we got to the next news story, which honestly is even more controversial than the other two. Listen, we've beat up Honda on this podcast and I feel bad because the Passport is an okay car. I just make fun of it. This is a travesty.

[B]

Okay, this is the Honda Prelude. The Prelude is back. Canon.

[C]

Sounds familiar.

[B]

Yeah. It is a front wheel drive, 200 horsepower hybrid four cylinder.

[A]

More than that. More than that. It is entirely based on the Civic Hybrid.

[B]

Yes, Correct.

[A]

Same powertrain, same great car. Great car. $30,000.

[B]

Phenomenal car. Great fuel economy. Fun to drive by those standards. More torque than a Civic Si.

[A]

Yeah. Where are you headed with that?

[B]

Well, how much is the Prelude, Doug?

[A]

Okay, so The Civic is 30 grand. Honda's come out the Prelude with Destination $43,195 for a front wheel drive Civic hybrid wearing a dress, which admittedly is a nice car. The new Nissan Z as a comparison point, which by the way has a 400 horsepower V6. That's double. For those of you who have a. If you don't have access to a calculator, I'm just going to tell you it's starts at $44,000. That's the same.

[B]

A base Mustang is less.

[A]

A base Mustang is less. A two series. A two series?

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Wow.

[B]

Wow.

[C]

That is nuts. What are they thinking?

[A]

This is $13,000 more expensive than the Honda Civic on which it's based.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

This is one of the single worst strategies. And then they're gonna go, well, we came back. The Prelude came back. No one bought it. Enthusiasts said they wanted it and we brought it back.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

We didn't want this.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

Are you astonished by that?

[B]

Let me think about. Okay. Their justification is probably it is a more premium experience. The interior is a little bit nicer.

[A]

It also has more stylish upgrades. It's a little better.

[B]

It's somewhere between a Civic SI and a Civic hybrid. And sportiness probably. And that's worth $13,000.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

But it ain't so much rather have a Z than this.

[A]

So much.

[C]

Not even close.

[B]

You would expect it to be three to five grand more than the Civic. I think like a coupe, often a little more expensive than the sedan version. Yeah, I, I could.

[A]

Especially with a little bit nicer. 13's a 1340. Big number. They're the same price. It's the same price as a Z. A Z.

[C]

A Z.

[B]

That's 40 more than think about in.

[A]

The 90s if you could have gone to the dealer and bought the 97 Prelude, which is a beloved car or a 300 ZX twin turbo.

[B]

Right.

[A]

I love the Prelude dearly. I think I'm gonna take the Prelude.

[C]

Doug just loves the Prelude.

[B]

As it turns out.

[A]

I did love that 97 prelude type XH is a great car. Shame that this is the.

[C]

But yeah, that's a shame that this is where that lineage has ended up. That's just also.

[A]

How did they get to that price? How did they get to the number?

[B]

I think 40% more.

[A]

Why would they think the market has any poss. What's going to happen? I mean, it can't last more than a year or two.

[B]

Unless they are positioning it against the 230i, which is a reasonable, like position for an Acura.

[A]

Yeah. If it was an acura with another 50 horsepower.

[B]

A Tegra coupe. Okay.

[A]

Honda's proposition in general in Acura is that it's a better value compared to rivals like the adx, which is kind of a mediocre car. But compared compared to the Q3 and the GLA, it offers more features for less money. Yeah, this offers less features for more money. And it doesn't have a badge. It's a Honda.

[B]

And it's not like they didn't go retro with the styling. It doesn't look like an old Prelude. Like it's not going to pull those heartstrings. Yeah. What's the point?

[C]

I agree.

[B]

Stunning decision.

[A]

I've been trying to make sense of it. They announced this maybe a few days ago. I'm honestly trying to make sense of it. I truly can't. You're right. They're going to say it's a more premium experience, it's a more special car, it's more beautiful in the suspension. All that's true. Pricing it more than a Mustang and at the same level as a Z. Are they. Are they joking? Like, what's the.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

What happened?

[B]

I do want to correct something I said. Apparently it shares suspension components with the Type r, which is a 40.

[A]

It better be the NSX Type R.

[B]

The Type r has a $45,000 MSRP. I'm. You're paying that much? I'll spend an extra four, three grand.

[C]

For a Type R. Even Filippo would spend the extra money to go up.

[A]

To the Type R. Yeah. What?

[C]

What?

[A]

Honest question, what is a Civic SI and these parts off the Honda parts counter at a dealership cost.

[B]

Good question, right? Good question.

[C]

Modding culture.

[B]

Also, a Civic si has 32 grand.

[A]

Civic si is 32.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But to your point, this is more torque.

[B]

But still.

[C]

I don't know, it's just kind of.

[A]

What is a GR Corolla? What does a GR Corolla cost?

[B]

More.

[A]

But what is it more?

[B]

No, a core is 38.6386.

[A]

Oh, my God. This is five grand more than a GR Corolla, which, by the way, has 100 more horsepower. Right. Isn't a GR Corolla 300 horse?

[B]

I'm sorry, I should say that was 2025. 2026. Starts at 39.9.

[A]

Regards.

[B]

Less.

[A]

Tell me, though, isn't a GR Corolla a 300 horsepower car with a hatchback? And probably at least the same level of suspension parts because it's like the.

[B]

Ultimate and all wheel drive.

[A]

Well.

[B]

And a complimentary one year membership to the National Autosport Association.

[A]

Really?

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

That's a value, dude. So ultimately this car is going to go into production. It will be a failure after two years. In the meantime you should buy the Corolla or the Z.

[A]

Totally. I want to go back on something I said earlier. If you buy one of these, you should absolutely do the Montana plate thing because you need to save every penny you can. After wasting tens of thousands of dollars on the purchase price of this car.

[B]

I'm excited for Honda to have a product that dealers struggle to sell. Those dealers haven't experienced it in a while.

[A]

It is so interesting.

[C]

Sharpen the brim.

[A]

Honda has this bizarre Core 6 right. That they just sell the hell out of and they're amazing. Every one of those cars is either a second liter or second best.

[B]

The pilot, all great.

[A]

And then they, they just struggle to figure out how to, how to iterate on that. And, and this is not that. This is, this is honestly I think one of the worst value propositions in the, in the car world today. Needless to say, I won't be getting a press car. So if you buy one of these and you won't bring it on down here so I can review it.

[C]

Fear not, there'll be a lot of dealers with them. You'll have no problem finding one.

[A]

Oh yeah, I'll do one. At two years I'll do a dealer review of a 25 leftover. 25. And by the way, that there will only be 25.

[B]

So we, we talked a month ago about how in j a bunch of pre orders but they're from an older population.

[A]

I don't even think they're going to get that here.

[B]

They can't. I don't understand how they will old people.

[A]

Are they looking too low? Not appealing. Next news story.

[B]

Okay, this is my single favorite news story of the year, I think. All right. Are you familiar with the Nissan Rogue?

[C]

Yes. Very famous vehicle.

[A]

Sure.

[B]

It's Nissan compact SUV. They sell 250,000 is a year sell out of them. There is a car that's basically based on the Nissan Rogue and has been since it came out. Which is the Mitsubishi Outlander. Yeah, yeah. It's a plug in hybrid vehicle or available as a plug in hybrid and it's based on the Rogue but they restyled it. They like have. It has some new sheet metal, has a slightly different interior. Right, right there's now a new Nissan, which is the Rogue plug in hybrid, which is that. Which is identical to a Mitsubishi Outlander. So Mitsubishi years ago when the third generation Rogue came out, did a small like restyled badge engineered car.

[C]

Car.

[B]

Nissan has now stolen that entire design. Literally the entire design except for like the badge, badge and the front grill.

[A]

Stolen.

[B]

Stolen.

[A]

They're the same company.

[B]

They're reusing that exact design for their car. So they have a Rogue and then a Rogue hybrid that looks different but looks identical to a car sold by a different manufacturer.

[A]

Okay, I am going to hit you.

[B]

But it has slightly worse specs cuz outlander has a 2026 facelift that included a bigger battery that the Rogue is not getting apparently.

[A]

I am going to hit you.

[B]

Makes no sense.

[A]

I'm gonna hit you with a trivia question that I think is gonna be really hard. So they're gonna sell a Rogue that is totally different one car and there's a rogue version that is a completely different car based on another car. So two cars in the same, they're.

[B]

Basically sentence but correct.

[A]

Can you name another automaker who did this? And I'll give you a hint. Not only did they do it, but both cars were. Is the same car rebadged, different body styles, different rebadged models. Completely different cars.

[B]

But they share the name.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yes. It's somewhere in my head. One second. Let's keep going. I'll get there. I'll get there.

[A]

The Scion IA.

[B]

Yes. Because the hatchback was a Mazda 2 hatchback and then.

[A]

But the sedan was. The Yaris was a Yaris. So this has precedent.

[B]

I was thinking about that car a lot over the last two weeks. That's in Japan. I was legitimately thinking about the Scion and the Mazda 2.

[C]

You should have been focused on the culture.

[A]

I was, but the Ionia hatchback was the Mazda 2. And this is what's happening here. Now answer me this, is this still on sale? This is still on sale. New as a mitSubishi.

[B]

There's a 2026 facelift to the Mitsubishi that includes improvements that the Rogue is apparently not getting.

[A]

Well, they got to have something. I mean this is Mitsubishi's only successful car.

[B]

I will say in Nissan's defense, they sell 250,000 Rogues. Yeah, Mitsubishi sells about 10,000 Outlanders. Nobody knows the Outlander exists. The market doesn't know it exists.

[A]

Nissan owns Mitsubishi.

[B]

Yeah. They own a large portion.

[A]

So they're trying to do this to expand their footprint.

[B]

And they needed, they need a hybrid. There Used to be a rogue hybrid. The current generation has not had one though.

[A]

Right.

[B]

It's important for the market.

[A]

A plug in specifically is important for the market. There are some countries, especially northern Europe where like plugins are a big deal.

[B]

But you go to the Mitsubishi is popular.

[A]

It's popular. You go to Netherlands and you go to, to Denmark and you actually see these plug in outlanders. There's not a lot of plug in at Little se.

[B]

So outside of the US in Japan and I think in some other market markets, Nissan does have a hybrid powertrain that's actually a electric vehicle with a generator basically they call it E power. It's like a scout style. There's a generator that powers the battery but it's not like a traditional plug in hybrid. I think they might sell the Quash Kwai or whatever with something similar in some markets. This is just US market.

[A]

Just the US market. Is it Canada?

[B]

Canada's Mitsubishi? Yeah, Canada too.

[A]

Canada does have Mitsubishi.

[B]

Who knows?

[A]

They wouldn't know if they were missing it.

[B]

There is a reality that nobody but us will know that it's a wild. Nobody knows. The Mitsubishi said hey, we're going to.

[A]

Do a plug hybrid. Oh, you're gonna do a different powertrain? No, no, we're gonna re badge the a completely different car but call it the same car that we already said.

[B]

Why couldn't they have just put it's the same platform. Surely they could have just put the rogue body on top of it.

[A]

No, it's much more complicated than that. This is. Dude, should it be putting the rogue. You're, you're like living in the world of 30s hot rodders. All they had to do here, all they had to do here was change the front grill.

[B]

I will say is a compelling product.

[A]

It is, I agree. If it wasn't made by Mitsubishi it'd be compelling and now it isn't. Unfortunately it's made by Nissan which is only marginally. I've been using delete me for years now and let me tell you, I'm still just as grateful for it today as I was the day I signed up. The first time I saw my personal info all over the Internet it was honestly kind of alarming. My full name, old phone number, old addresses, even info about my family was just sitting there publicly accessible. And it wasn't on just one site, it was on dozens. I had no idea that kind of data was floating around, let alone how easy it was for anyone to get their hands it on. And listen, as someone who's pretty Visible online. I've had to deal with some pretty weird stuff. Random emails, weird messages, people digging a little too deep. That's why privacy is something I take seriously. Delete me became a core part of how I protect myself and my family. And that's why I always recommend Deleteme. It's been one of the best decisions I've made when it comes to online safety and peace of mind. Deleteme is a subscription service that removes your personal information from hundreds of data broker sites. And here's what I love. You don't have to do anything complicated. You give them your information info once what you want removed and they go to work. Every few months they send me a personalized report showing exactly what they found and what they've removed. I've gotten emails like, we found your name, phone number and address on 38 sites and we removed it. It's honestly kind of incredible. And they don't stop. This is an ongoing thing. Delete Me keeps monitoring and removing your info so it doesn't just come right back. Over the years, I've watched the amount of my data online shrink more and more. It's like a digital spring cleaning, but someone else is doing all the work. Take control of your data and keep your private life private by signing up for Deleteme now with a special discount for our viewers today. Get 20% off your delete me plan when you go to JoinDeleteMe.com Demuro and use code demuro at checkout. The only way to get 20% off is to go to JoinDeleteMe.com Demuro and enter code Demuro at checkout. That's JoinDeleteMe.com Demuro code Demuro. All right.

[B]

Also no 10 year warranty like Mitsubishi.

[A]

Oh, really?

[C]

A Jeep with no doors?

[B]

All right. This is a Jeep Recon.

[A]

Yeah, I didn't.

[B]

Jeep's all electric. New car just revealed at the LA auto show. They've been talking about it forever. Yeah, it has. You'll be excited about this cannon. 635 horsepower or something. Thereabouts.

[A]

Dang, I had that before.

[B]

Sorry. 650 horsepower, 620 pound feet of torque. It is their first trail rated electric car.

[C]

Oh, is that so?

[B]

Yep.

[C]

Wow.

[B]

So trail rated cars include the Renegade for a little bit, the Compass for.

[A]

A little bit, the Patriot. Wait a second.

[C]

The Patriot.

[A]

I took my Wagoneer S not trail.

[B]

Rated onto trails, but not the Moab trail that.

[A]

You know why the Wagoneer S isn't trail rated? Because it's not reliable enough to drive it's not that it's a clearance problem.

[B]

They're worried about forest fires because they've all been having some issues. This is trail rated.

[A]

Podcast is way off the rails. We're early folks.

[B]

This is trail rated. Are you curious how much it cost?

[A]

Ken, what does it cost?

[B]

65K starting and I don't. And it has 250 miles of range.

[A]

You know, I got to tell you though, not quite. I got to tell you though, it's a pretty compelling car.

[B]

Is it?

[A]

Look at. It's cool as hell.

[B]

No, it's really cool.

[A]

The Wagoner s is also 65. It's the same price and there is no. Yeah, no one's ever paid it. It's. It's the least compelling car this. Look at it. That's cool.

[B]

No, it is incredibly cool. I just. Who is buying an off road ev?

[A]

Who's buying Rivian? A lot of people say, I got a neighbor.

[B]

A Rivian has 330 to 400 miles of range.

[A]

Well, okay, there's a 50. It's a pretty $85,000. This is a bargain at 60 plus whatever lease deal you can get. These are going to be 299amonth.

[B]

And I'm glad that. So Jeep has gone on a product offense over the last four months. They revealed four new or facelifted vehicles. They call it 4x4.

[A]

Is one of them some sort of update to the grand Wagone era?

[B]

It is.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

And three by four. Another one is an update to the Grand Cherokee which is 2x4.

[C]

2X4.

[B]

The new Cherokee, which also has a hybrid. This is cool. It looks cool. The rear end looks very FJ cruiser to me.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Doors come off.

[C]

Doors come off.

[B]

Real horsepower.

[A]

Cool. Little tricks too. I'm excited to get legitimately cool. It looks good. It's boxy. I'll tell you, legitimately compared to the Wagon Air s, this is like a compelling product. I think it's too expensive. I think the range number is too low. However, performance figure looks great and it looks really capable and it just looks cool.

[B]

And the rear windows come out somehow. How?

[A]

That's awesome.

[B]

In this picture and in other press.

[A]

Photos, like the best thing from the rear three quarters.

[B]

No, those go down. These come out.

[A]

You remember when the Bronco debuted and they had the. The front doors had holes in them.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

What the hell happened to that?

[B]

But I do legitimately wonder how large the market is for a 650 horsepower, off road focused 250 mile range EV.

[A]

But hopefully it's something you're not wrong, but I would argue that the people who are buying this aren't actually going to go off road. So what's the market for an electric four wheel runner? Not zero.

[B]

That's a good point.

[A]

There's people who want to look cool and drive around. This is a California thing, a West coast thing. Colorado EVs have been heavily adopted in California, Oregon, Colorado, where this is going to sell.

[B]

I, it looks incredibly cool. I'm excited for you to have a press car because I want to, I want to poke around it and it's cool.

[C]

I think the thing with evs is because it's so easy to make the power, why wouldn't you, like kind of the point with it, it just should have that kind of power because it's so.

[A]

Yeah, we'll tell that to Honda.

[C]

Well, you know, Honda, I can't, I can't do any more Honda bashing. I feel bad at this point.

[A]

Toyota's EV is the real issue. Okay, go to our next news story. Ah, yes, this.

[C]

Ah, yes.

[A]

Is this out? Oh, my God. Are we breaking an embargo here?

[B]

I'm going to throw there. You had a review that went out two days ago. Oh, okay.

[A]

All right. Well, I guess we're good. The review actually went out this morning as we're filming this. So that's why I'm nervous. Embargoes are scary. You break an embargo, they say you can never, you can never review this product again. And I say, is that a problem, Thomas? No, I'm not, I'm not saying that about this car, which I actually like. This is the new Cayenne electric, which is really cool. The top version, I don't remember the figures, but the top version has a million horsepower.

[B]

Like 1160 with that like boost thing.

[A]

It's complicated. There's actually three different horsepower ratings for it.

[B]

Just watch your video.

[A]

You only. Yeah. Was it good? Did you like it?

[B]

I only watched half of it so far, but I'll watch the rest later.

[A]

You have like 800 horsepower on tap, but then you could press a boost button and get like another 100. But then if you go into launch mode, you get like a full 1160. 60, which is just 0 to 60 and 19. It's something like that and it's incredibly cool. They're calling, they're out calling it the fastest SUV's quarter mile sub 10. Incredible.

[B]

I find a fast. This is the first car where I can think of Porsche going big on the horsepower game. Yeah, sort of. But the Makani V Turbo is like 500 something. It's quick, but it's quick. All Porsche, all fast Porsches are fast.

[A]

Fast.

[B]

But like the first time I can like think of them going like. Right.

[C]

Going. Ignoring the sports cars that they've made for generations. Like the 980.

[A]

Well, no, he's talking for EVS.

[B]

911 Turbo, compared to the most powerful, it's less horsepower than a challenger.

[A]

We were talking about this last night. I mean, the. The 296 has 830 horsepower and the 911 turbo, despite being about as fast, is still sits back at like 650 or 600.

[B]

Right. It's like compared to the fat. The other automakers that go big on horsepower. Dodge, lucid, whatever. This is the first time they've kept up with.

[A]

They were sick of getting beat in drag. Jason Kamisa's drag races by Rivians. I'm serious. I honestly bet they're sitting there being like, why do we not. We're Porsche. Why do we not have the fastest car in this drag race? Like we're being embarrassed by this blocky SUV that's built in Illinois. Like, come on.

[B]

Or the lucid gravity, which has 1100 something horsepower and they want to be faster. Yeah. Right.

[A]

And so they came out with this. I will say there are a lot of compelling things about this car. Car price is not one of them. It's very expensive. Very obviously the EV market is turning a little bit. It's a longer car almost entirely for China. I think Porsche is desperately trying to still make inroads in China, where Porsche is not considered as premium. The Chinese automakers have a big leg up against a lot of foreign competition. However, there's a lot of cool things. You saw the inductive charging.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

That I'm so confused by because I just don't understand how it works. Like you're pulling in the car and there's a pad that you charge and I know the speed tails like this too. But this SUV that's high off the ground, how does that pad. How does energy from that pad make it into the car? I don't.

[A]

They say it only gets up to 120 degrees. So that's like a hot day in Phoenix. It's not going to kill you if you touch it.

[C]

Or just July through.

[A]

Yes. A day in Phoenix.

[C]

That's a day.

[B]

They.

[A]

They say that if any motion is detected on the thing, it instantly stops charging. So it won't like zap ya. You can leave it outside, you can step on it you can kick it, you can drive over it. I saw it. I was there. They literally with me in the car. I mean, they wouldn't let me do it in driving too, but I needed to film. But with me in the car, they pulled right onto it and it started charging.

[C]

Does it make the same sound like your iPhone does?

[A]

No, because outside the sound wouldn't help because you're in the car. Inside, it's like a video game. There's a circle and a receiving circle, and you are positioning the car in the receiving circle. And then when you get it there, it goes green and you're like figures.

[B]

But, like, incredible technology. I.

[A]

Did you not get to that part of the video? It's really cool because the curved screen, you can move. There's, like, the upper part and the lower part of the screen. The lower part has, like, all the controls, but you can push that away and just have a giant curved screen of, like, your map. So it's like. It's like the scene in Inception where, like, the, you know, where like, the. The world curves upwards. That's what it feels like.

[C]

Wow.

[B]

Great reference reveal. I. I see some estimates for range. Did they say?

[A]

They told me. You know, it's an interesting situation with Volkswagen Group and range and electric vehicles. They told me they have been able to get it to 350 miles. I think they said. I said it in the video. They've been able to get it to 350 miles. However, what we've all just learned is what you can do and what the EPA will rate a car at are different things. And so they weren't willing to even speculate on what their EPA rating has got to be.

[B]

I assume somewhere in the three. 50s. 50s. Less for the turbo.

[A]

I assume more like three.

[B]

All right. That's still not horrible.

[C]

It's not horrible for 1100 horsepower?

[B]

Well, no. The base one has 435 horsepower, but.

[A]

Still does 0 to 60 in four.

[B]

Cycle, also is best able to deploy power of, I think, any manufacturer.

[C]

It is.

[A]

I will say one thing, the gas one, which Porsche told me in this thing is going to continue for at least 10 more years.

[B]

They're going to redesign it.

[A]

I hope they didn't outright say it, but they heavily implied that the gas one will eventually join the electric one looking like this. But I think they wanted the EV to come out first with all the new look and the new technology. The gas one looks better. This car.

[B]

Interesting.

[A]

I don't think this car looks aggressive enough. I think there's a little bit Too much Ford Escape in it. It's a little too round, a little too. I don't think it looks like the gas car looks like it's going to.

[B]

Even the current gas.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I find the current redesign, whatever.

[A]

Grill's too big.

[B]

Not pretty.

[A]

Agreed. But it looks more aggressive. This looks a little too generic in my opinion.

[B]

Fair.

[A]

It is interesting though what lengths they're willing to go to for range and that kind of thing. And I suspect the style I saw.

[B]

Like the active fins or whatever, there's.

[A]

A fin that pops out in the back at a certain speed and they said that that individual feature gives them 15 more miles of range.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

It's impressive.

[B]

I mean it's exciting to see Porsche come out with a. The Tyon was competitive is when it came out different era. The updated one is good but like kind of data. It's incredible to see them come out with like something new and good and.

[C]

That'S clearly they understand the Cayenne range matters a ton to them. I mean it's a huge seller so.

[A]

It'S a big deal. And power, this is a big deal car. Macan was a big deal. Whatever they do with Boxer is a big deal. But Cayenne, this is a big deal car. They want to screw it up. They've done a great job. It's a really compelling car. It's a really, really compelling.

[B]

You didn't get to drive it yet, right?

[A]

They haven't driven it yet, but I imagine they said, I think next, sometime next year it comes out.

[B]

So it's only been doing hill climbs for three years, but.

[A]

Well, people have driven like camoed ones and I, I want to drive a production car. All right, move on to our next news story. Yes, the Ford Fakas.

[C]

Yes, the ZX3. Tell us about this car, Felipe.

[A]

This is an SVT actually. Oh, is it an SVT3 SVT?

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

From the. From the. I love the first generation Focus. Love the first generation Focus. And I owned the US third generation Focus Wrestle World fourth. You did fifth.

[A]

The last Focus just rolled off. Well, it's that the assembly line, of.

[C]

Course, we haven't had the Focus in the United States since what, 2000?

[B]

Two years? Yeah, no, a little longer stop in 18, 20, 19 few years.

[A]

But the last Focus. It's interesting because the Fiesta has also been canceled. You know, the Fiesta was being made in Cologne. The Focus was also being made in Germany. They were both gone. You know what's being made in the Fiestas plant now?

[B]

What? I don't know.

[A]

The Explorer Ev, you know, the one for Europe and the Puma or like whatever it is a little Puma, which is compelling product.

[B]

This isn't surprising, right? Ford said very publicly years ago they were going to stop all non suv, non sports cars.

[A]

It's crazy.

[B]

It happened in the US before in Europe.

[A]

Which means that's pretty surprising. In Europe.

[B]

Have you been to Europe recently?

[A]

This is Europe though.

[B]

Have you been there recently though?

[A]

I was in Europe last year. And you still see a lot of.

[B]

Little cars but you see so many little SUVs.

[A]

You do. But it's wild to me that like we're in an era where even Europe is done with hatchbacks. Europe used to be hatchback. That's what it was.

[B]

And I loved it for it.

[A]

That was one of the things about Europe. You'd go to Europe and some Americans would come home and say we saw the Eiffel Tower and we ate French bread and we saw there's all these little cars there.

[B]

I still make a point of when I go to Europe I rent a small hat.

[A]

He told me I only rent small hatchbacks.

[B]

To be honest. More. Yeah. I still will.

[C]

To be honest. I'm glad I didn't listen to you. But I understand why you recommended it.

[B]

You hit your.

[C]

I wanted power on the Autobahn.

[A]

You literally won't anymore. They, they, they're going away. This is like it's coming to an end.

[B]

I love that Focus. I've never got to drive a final generation Focus wasn't sold in the us did never have another rental car. Nobody I know in Italy had the money for a Focus. Not a joke, but it was so good.

[A]

Y Were you too young?

[B]

Of course I remember. Also my uncle had a series of Ford station wagons for years they would get like a one year old one every few years. A Focus wagon for years. Till they went to the Corolla Oris hybrid as station wagon thing.

[A]

This car. Because the Focus was from an unbelievable. I can't believe cars are gone perspective. It's a big news story. But also the Focus was. It's hard to explain just how much of an impact it had in those early years. It came out in 2000.

[B]

So good.

[A]

And this angled one with all the angles and the advertisement with the logo that had the angle.

[B]

The first world car.

[A]

It was a true world car sold globally and was successful in a lot of countries. And the market has. It's hard to imagine but the market has moved on. The Audi A8 is next have gone.

[B]

I, I I'm not as conf I don't. I've never been as confident in Ford's decision to get rid of them as Ford clearly has been. I think it's a mistake still. But.

[A]

Well, when you, I will say like these segments where, where people have been pulling out of. One of the things that I've realized is that the people who pull out are usually the fringe players to begin with. So like the midsize sedan the Malibu left, it was a popular car, but it was never a Camry or an Accord. This is a different thing. Ford was never afraid. It's a real segment. This was a real. And so if Ford is making this decision, obviously they're willingly giving a lot of sales to rivals. But their take on it is probably. It's not going to five more years, the rivals will make money off this and then they're going to have to do this too.

[B]

I understand that in running a business there's a of lot of just you have to make a decision based on your opinion. Like you were chosen as a leader of that company. Jim Farley and whoever else he hired was chosen as the leaders because they had some perspective, some opinion.

[A]

Sometimes I don't think this is opinion based. I think there is an enormous amount of effort that went into this decision certainly.

[B]

But it comes down to some matter of perspective and they, they made a call on it. We'll see if they're right.

[A]

Cologne was building Fiestas.

[C]

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[A]

Okay, next we got.

[C]

Yeah. So speaking of cars, of being discontinued, an internal. God, what is car?

[B]

Is my biggest question.

[C]

That's a giant.

[B]

Is that a giant cow taking a.

[C]

Giant dump on the car? Which is what it is.

[A]

Oh my God.

[C]

This is the C63 that we're talking about. So Mercedes Benz circulated an internal memo announcing that they are going to be getting rid of the C43AMG, the GLC43 and the GLA35. Those will end production in February of 2026. The C63 and GLC63 will last, but only until May of 2026. Now this isn't a surprise because earlier on we talked about like the C63 has not been well received. No four cylinder car. You did a review on it. Everybody hates it. Mercedes Benz has heard that and they agree with it. But the reason these are being phased out is interesting to me. They're being phased out allegedly due to. To stricter noise regulations in Europe that's being enforced by the United Nations Economic Commission for Europe. That's the reason they cite. I suspect it's also that people don't want it and enthusiasts have been.

[A]

I agree with that to an extent. But the 43 cars sell pretty well. This is interesting. They're getting rid of the 43s. I mean you see them everywhere.

[B]

And the 35, I mean the GLA 35 is, I think towards the end of its life cycle.

[A]

It is. But, but come on, C43 and GLC43.

[B]

They can't do well.

[A]

We see those cars all over the place. But there's these noise restrictions. You know, as difficult as it is to be a car enthusiast in some places you always are reminded that it'd be harder in Europe.

[B]

It's harder in Europe, yeah. Are they ending that? Just the C43 sells well and so does the GLC43, which is also like a BMW 340 I compare.

[A]

They said that twice in the last 10 seconds. But thank you so much, I agree with you. But they say production will end in February of 26.

[C]

Well, yep.

[A]

New EU rules July 1st of 26.

[B]

Honestly, I don't. You see a lot of them. You also frequently get annoyed by, by just how loud they are. So I'm okay with it.

[A]

You're annoyed by how loud C43s are.

[C]

You more annoyed by BMW? I agree with that.

[B]

They're all modified.

[A]

No way. They're all 43s. GLC 43s are driven by people who went into the dealer wanted a lease special. And this was a slightly higher payment.

[B]

For 300 is for. Come on.

[A]

Yeah, but a lot of people don't believe that.

[B]

It is a surprise.

[A]

Pretty crazy.

[C]

It is a surprise, but I guess not. The reason is a little bit more surprising than it actually happened.

[A]

We knew it was going to happen with at least we are reporting on the death of icons here.

[C]

Icons in this case, we're grateful. Moving on to the next news story.

[A]

All right, I got on this. You see this? I hope this video does well because this is the coolest damn thing I've ever seen in my life. Hyundai is barking up the off road SUV tree. And if I know anything about the Koreans. Sure. And God, I've been to Korea so I consider myself an expert.

[B]

To do what you review the Kia Nero.

[A]

Yeah. I went to Korea for the launch of the Kia Niro. But then I also spent a long time in Seoul and I really got the capital city. I got the feel of the place. I got. I got the. The heartbeat of the place.

[B]

You know why it's called Seoul?

[C]

No.

[B]

Because Seoul means capital in Korean.

[A]

That's. That seems very Korean. Anyway, this actually goes along with what I'm saying. If I know the Koreans and I don't. But as an American, because I was there for one week, I feel that I. Obviously they don't make concept cars willy nilly.

[B]

No.

[A]

They name their capital city Capita. They're not out here. They're not out here going crazy. And I have a suspicion that this thing, the Hyundai Crater, which is up on my channel is a prelude and hopefully a better one than the one.

[C]

Nice callback. Well, you must be a writer.

[A]

I have a feeling this is a prelude to something that's coming. And they won't confirm that even though I pushed them on it a little. But they announced recently that they're going to make a body on frame pickup truck. This is an electric vehicle that is actually smaller in length than the Tucson. It's a tiny little car. But they see Hyundai is smart. They sit here and watch Toyota take all these sales in Ford and Jeep and they're like we did it with the Palisade and we went and took their market share and we did it with the Tucson and we went and Took their market share chair. We can do this.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And I think they can. This thing's on like 33s.

[C]

It looks really cool.

[B]

Was it a cool concept?

[A]

I don't. You haven't seen the video yet because.

[B]

It'S not loud yet.

[A]

There is, there are some features that you will really like including. There are four different modes that you select on the windshield, of course. And one of them is a DJ mode where you. A song plays and you tap little buttons on the. In the interior to insert like a drum beat.

[C]

So you just.

[B]

No.

[C]

Just driving. Going like.

[A]

No, no. What a cool idea. Parked. First off, it. It's a damn concept car. It doesn't drive. You don't have to worry about regulations.

[B]

Yeah, good point. I remember when you had the, the build your dreams, whatever it was called here as a, as a press car and it had like a karaoke function. That's cooler.

[A]

Yeah. Oh yeah. No, this is cooler than that. It also those lights on the roof, they. They light up as smiley faces.

[B]

Oh, how sweet.

[A]

There's a lot to it. And they, they. And truthfully, I think it's exciting because I love reviewing concept cars and I think they're cool and weird and quirky. This one I was especially excited to review because I just have a feeling this is previewing something.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I just think, remember they've started going with this XRT line. They're trying to get people thinking off roady. They're going to do this.

[B]

Not this, but something probably not that dissimilar. Why not avoid that? I've always had a question about Hyundai and Kia. Right. They're cousin companies in a lot of ways. They co develop. I view Kia because of the Telluride styling as like the, like off the front one.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Here's Hyundai doing this. But it's cool.

[A]

It was designed in California.

[B]

Yeah. Because the Hyundai design studio.

[A]

So I agree with you. But it's so interesting because I reviewed this and the week before I reviewed the Telluride. You should see how these Hyundai, Kia people talk about each other. It might as well be Toyota. Oh, this has this better than the Hyundai. And the Kia doesn't have this. And it is, it's like, aren't these cars co developed, like ultimately like everything?

[B]

No claim. No. Okay, so cool.

[A]

Next news story. There's still more news.

[B]

All right.

[A]

Short one. But we got.

[B]

Okay, so our favorite taxi, the. The Zolvo EX90 Volvo has for a long time gone all in on lidar as a way to kind of scan the road and Then creep. It's so irritating the cuz it sets off your radar detector constantly. All right. The, the EX9 landing especially has like a little hump in the the top of the roof for the lidar sensor. They've said in the last week that they're going to stop all lidar in their car starting 2026 because they've ended a contract with their lidar production producer for some like they fail to deliver on some contracts or something. But that means that's like a massive change. It's going to go to fully Tesla. I mean there's other methods. Tesla went to all camera a long time ago. There's other technologies that help with with the sink.

[C]

How many manufacturers Rivan uses it I built.

[B]

I don't know who else might use it. Some lidar.

[A]

Yeah but the reason they're doing this is because they were breaking iPhone cameras. Move on to the next news story.

[B]

Maybe. But regardless that hump will be used for something.

[A]

You think so? I bet it isn't. I love the X. I'm excited for.

[C]

Peace to return to my cabins driving around because it goes beep beep beep and it's like where's the Volvo?

[A]

There it is, I'll tell you. You know whose cabin has peace? Anybody who's got one of those. That is one of the great electric SUVs on sale. And honestly its release has been hampered by the whole lidar thing.

[B]

You think so?

[A]

The iPhone thing and the fact that there's a taxi light on it and the ooey's lidar ever gonna work? Oh, someday it will. That hampered the release of an otherwise it wasn't in use. Right. That hampered the release of an otherwise truly excellent car. And I think if they had released this car the correct way without any of that stuff and using the same sort of system that Tesla has, this would have been a really much more successful launch of a truly great product.

[B]

I will say they've said over and over again that they believe they can still maintain the safety of their next generation systems that they can still have them be as a.

[A]

But they still won't do a camera, rear view mirror.

[C]

Goodbye light up.

[A]

That was a huge amount of the pod devoted to news. It was a big news day. It was a big news day. We got to hurry through the rest because there's great questions and you didn't.

[B]

Even let me talk about the Honda pilot refresh.

[A]

All right, I want to move on to the talk cars segment next which.

[B]

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[A]

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[C]

You God, just buy one already.

[A]

All right, I want to talk. We had.

[B]

We've. We've had an incident going on the entire time.

[A]

Yes, we've had an incident. Sean's looking at me like, please don't say the incident. All right, all right. I'm going to be vague. We had an incident with a potential sponsor. Okay. You know, we're looking for sponsors. We want. Sponsor the pot. If you want to sponsor the pot, you send an email to Sean scanarsandbids.com you can also send him just like a general hello. Like, he's. He's cool. He's got a G wagon, a bad color, but. So we were looking for sponsors. We're looking for sponsors and a sponsor. We find. We're talking to people here, there, who. 993 Turbo sponsoring this one from Salido. And we reached out to this one company, not gonna name them, apparently wanted to, but I've been informed I shouldn't. And they were thinking about sponsor. We were having a conversation that is a company that makes really cool car tech product. I don't know. And they reach out to us after last week's pot, and they say, last week I was watching Doug's show, and I saw him and the group dismissing SEMA and saying they won't go to it. But for our company and our industry, SEMA is so important that we no longer have alignment with Doug and with cars and bids, and we will not be a sponsor. Now, I want to be clear about two things. First off, it is not SEMA who is making this complaint. SEMA has said nothing to us. They don't care. They don't care about us, and they shouldn't. The show's got 2 billion people. Second, anytime a sponsor tries to dictate the way that you're talking about SEMA stuff, that's a red flag of the century. And I'm not. It isn't a sponsor. It's not someone who sponsored us before. It was someone we were thinking about. And so obviously, that relationship shouldn't work on both ends. We don't like him because he's trying to dictate what we're saying on camera. He doesn't like us because we're insulting a show he participates at. And I was thinking about this. Imagine if Chevy came to us, okay? And we do a Tahoe review. And they're like, we saw your Tahoe review, and in it, you complained about the LA Auto Show.

[C]

We are no longer aligned value the.

[A]

LA Auto show and because you said bad things about it, we're never gonna give you another T. That'll fix it. This dude is advocating the show isn't even related to his product. Honestly, straight up, I've been doing this a long time and I've gotten a lot of crazy email emails. That is one of the craziest.

[B]

Especially because they make a good product that our audience is into.

[A]

A lot of us love the product. Nothing to do with sema. And by the way, then that's another thing. Some of these people in the industry and in life have such thin skins. Like I insult Seema. Who cares what I think? I'm an idiot and the audience kind of knows that.

[B]

So true.

[A]

And so like what is? What is? Who cares if I say Sema sucks? Like what the.

[B]

Also, it's sema. Everybody knows. This isn't a secret. This isn't news.

[A]

The people who go there, everyone who comes back from SEMA that I know who goes with, like, oh God, I had to go. Another sema. But you go because you have to. Anyway, so we won't be getting sponsorship from them. Instead, all of our sponsorship will come from the arena.

[B]

Red993 Turbo Porsche still supporting creators with a car that came out 30 years.

[A]

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[B]

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[A]

Okay, I want to move on quickly to Filippo in Japan. Filippo went to Japan. We've done 56 minutes without discussing it.

[B]

I was in Japan for two weeks. It was delightful. We spent a bunch of cities. We spent. We did 100 kilometer bike ride across a bunch of islands on the inland Sea.

[A]

He's three kilometers still.

[B]

Yeah. Drove a Yaris like 600, 700 kilometers. It was horrible. Hated the Yaris. It was one of the worst new vehicles ever. No.

[A]

Was it a tip?

[B]

Yeah, of course. They're all cvt.

[A]

Where'd you go to Japan?

[B]

We went to Tokyo and Kyoto.

[A]

Can I ask you about that?

[B]

Fushima. And then across those islands and then to Nikko. It's great. Cool.

[A]

Can I ask you about Tokyo and Kyoto?

[B]

You may.

[A]

Is it weird to you that Japan's largest city and Japan's second largest city, their names are just word scrambles of each other?

[B]

It's interesting, isn't it?

[A]

Do you think that people would think it's weird if New York City was called like slos? That's what it is.

[B]

I think they would. And we should talk about that more because, like, it's not talked about.

[A]

It's not talked about at all.

[B]

It's the same letters.

[A]

They took the regular city and they just kind of did one of those words on it. Yeah.

[B]

And it worked. Like, it worked.

[A]

It convinced people that they're different places.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Do you now believe they're different places? Yes.

[B]

I can verify. I can confirm that it took a couple hours on a bullet train to get there.

[A]

But do you think this is a theory? Do you think that they just. This is the thing about bullet trains were a car podcast. They rearranged. Exactly. They took you around in circles and rearranged the city.

[B]

I can't prove otherwise.

[A]

Right. The Japanese are efficient people.

[B]

They are indeed.

[A]

What other cars are?

[B]

Beautiful country.

[A]

When you were in Japan, I saw.

[B]

A bunch of American cars. Saw a Jeep Grand Wagoneer. I saw an H3. Yeah. Wow. An H2.

[A]

Yep.

[C]

Wonder what that person.

[B]

I know.

[A]

They're popular. Popular.

[B]

Japan has the most fascinating used car market where, like there's one offs of a bunch of cars. Like even in the new car market a lot of cars you don't expect to be sold. There are. But nobody buys them. They only buy Toyota and I have those. Suzuki is also all owned by Toyota.

[A]

Even luxury cars are not as common as you'd think except for the century.

[C]

You know what you do resonate with them because they launch idea of owning those cars like you want with every car you talk about there were a.

[B]

Lot of like you see like a bunch of like French hatchbacks but like one at a time and you see four over the course of two weeks.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But they're there, they're sold.

[A]

Yeah. The industry is just real strong. It is interesting to me dominating trader dominates the. It is interesting to me the American car culture there we have this JDM car culture in the States and because you can't read their language I don't think there's a lot of cross. Like they're Japanese. YouTuber I've never. There could be a Doug in Japan.

[B]

Right.

[A]

But like their car culture is very US focused as. As ours is JDM focused. I. I went there five years ago. I was astonished at the American cars.

[B]

I saw there were some really, really cool American cars also a lot of like Italian and German cars. And I will not positive. Why?

[A]

Well the German, I mean they like Mercedes and things like that.

[B]

Like a lot of like we went to. We were walking in an area that happened to have a car show on a Sunday morning. Actually somebody on Instagram reached out to me and recommended that I go to it and I did. It was great. And then I walked through the street. A bunch of Zilla, a bunch of Porsches. I saw a couple GTRs. There were a bunch of 911s. There were a bunch of old Alphas. It's cool. We were at the very end of the show. But a lot of Italian cars. Like old Italian cars. Huh. It was great. Love Japan.

[A]

Love Japan.

[B]

Incredibly beautiful.

[C]

Very high on my list. But I'm. I'm glad.

[B]

I'm sorry that you rent a Yaris from Toyota.

[A]

Rent a car I wouldn't rent.

[C]

I fleet goes with us.

[B]

We're going to the mountains. We needed a car.

[A]

I would only take bullet train because that gives them ample time to rearrange the the cities.

[B]

Well said.

[C]

Welcome back.

[B]

Don't know what to make of that. Okay.

[A]

What is your other talk situation?

[B]

I come back from vacation.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And I think I'm ready to buy a car.

[A]

No, no, no, no.

[B]

Okay. I'm actually legitimately let Me explain a.

[C]

Little something to you. See that car right there? I did it. I went and got your turn.

[B]

Thank you. So I would appreciate your support.

[C]

We have been nothing but supportive for six months.

[A]

I bought a car.

[B]

Nine months.

[A]

Filippo.

[C]

You accidentally bought a one you don't like.

[A]

I love the car.

[B]

My wife loves the GT5.

[A]

We have not been supportive because you continue to disappoint us. Two years ago, a year ago on this pod, you were. I'm going to buy. I'm going to buy. I'm going to buy. I'm going to buy. You looked at a997, you looked at a C7. You were getting all in. And then you ended up with a GTI that you bought randomly on the site because it looked like a deal.

[B]

And it has. It has the same amount of torque as a997, but you don't have.

[A]

Don't talk to me about torque. You talk about these enthusiast cars and then you end up with a cheap, practical car because it's who you are, your core. I will only entertain this if you.

[B]

I'm ready.

[A]

If this doesn't end with you buying a car, you're going to be in here. Whistling is going to take you.

[B]

He would. I don't know. He's in jail. I. Who knows Jail.

[C]

He's out on bail.

[B]

There are kind of two cars I'm considering. A991 base cab, ideally.

[A]

Will never buy a $60,000. Filippo. You would never.

[C]

You have to spend.

[A]

If you add every car you've ever bought together, does it equal $60,000 thousand dollars?

[B]

Yes, but barely.

[C]

But you are not spending this kind of money.

[B]

No, no, no, no. That. That's an S. A Non S is 60.

[A]

He wants manual. Click on manual.

[C]

Okay.

[B]

There's very few for sale.

[A]

We actually had one. This. He should have bought that.

[B]

The cab, a couple weeks prior.

[C]

You're not spending 70, but you guys.

[B]

Have made it a point effectively over. Look at that one for 52.

[A]

I should have bought this card. You said you didn't like the. I love it. This blue.

[B]

So cool. Cool.

[C]

It's like yachting.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

That's a blue top.

[B]

You both have made the point really effectively that there's a difference between cost of entry and cost of ownership.

[C]

Yes.

[B]

And I don't think that based on the rest of the Porsche market, I don't. The 991S, 997 911S have gone up, notably a car that was $40,000.

[A]

Interesting, because you looked at it when.

[B]

I Looked at it.

[A]

You looked at what, a year and a half ago? And I said, filippo, buy this car. Do you have a good.

[B]

Pretty much identical comp sold recently for 10 grand more.

[A]

That you should have listened to Doug. And that Doug was right.

[B]

Love that 997.

[A]

Not to.

[B]

I really didn't. But I'm. I'm hoping.

[A]

Why do you think you'll love a 991?

[B]

I don't know. That's my concern. I haven't driven one, which is a problem.

[C]

Okay.

[B]

I gotta find. I gotta find a drive. But I. I think that, yes, it cost $60,000, but I quite confident can get out of it for that. Yes, in a year or two.

[A]

There are quite a few good independent Porsche mechanics nearby.

[B]

And they're reliable. The 991s, to my knowledge, don't have any real.

[C]

No wonderful car. But the problem is not the car. The problem is not the.

[B]

I'm ready to spend the money.

[A]

Are you? I 60, Felipe. I think I am. Think. I want you to think.

[B]

I'm gonna sell a GTI. I'll sell a Fiat. I want you to 30.

[A]

Think about it. Think about it.

[B]

Halfway there.

[A]

Think about it in real term. Think about you writing a 6. 0. Think about.

[B]

Well, I'll wire the money, but think.

[A]

About the 60,000 discounts.

[B]

No, it will be. I will want to back out 20 times, but I think it's time. I don't have kids. Will. In the future, hopefully. I think it's time. Of course.

[A]

A991. What's the other car?

[B]

A981 Boxster S. Oh, here we go.

[A]

He's gonna end up with a tip. 987.

[B]

Yep.

[C]

What color will your 987?

[B]

Here's the thing. A 981 now is $45,000. They've. We sold one a couple weeks ago.

[A]

What do you think? I really don't. This one. This one.

[B]

I don't like the 987 boxer. Thought we go here.

[A]

There. There you go. 9500. That's the one. Hey, we got your car, bud.

[B]

I am ready legitimately to buy something that is nice and good.

[C]

Don't tell.

[B]

And so I. I would appreciate you guys. Guys supporting and helping me support.

[A]

Nothing but supporting under the following circumstances. If you can pinky me that this ends with a 9x1 doesn't. I will never support you in anything you ever do ever again.

[B]

How much would you degrade me if I bought like a 987 base? Sorry. A 718 I would love that. All right, so it'll be something in that. It'll have three numbers.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

He's gonna end up. He's gonna end up with an imported Peugeot 106, 2100.

[B]

No, I'm joking. I'm joking. I'm joking. Relatedly, I'm legitimately on the hunt for a base991 cab or coupe, manual, ideally without black wheels. I just. I can't.

[C]

If you have. Email him at Sean or one.

[B]

Or the right. 718 all manual. I'm legitimately, finally, I think vaguely ready.

[A]

You can legitimately, finally, I think vaguely ready. Y. Yeah, no, we'll be supportive. In the meantime, tell me when legitimately, finally, I think vaguely turns into definitely.

[C]

You know what? In the meantime, I'm going to enjoy my V12 BI Turbo Mercedes.

[A]

Heck, yeah.

[C]

Keep dreaming, buddy.

[A]

All right, Cannon, tell us about. We'll cover this again on a later pod if you want to, but a lot of people out there who are not.

[C]

I want you to buy a car. Just follow through through this time.

[A]

Ken. Tell us about it. Last time your SL's here, but you hit a milestone in your M5.

[C]

I did. I hit 10 years that I have owned my M5. Full decade that I have owned my car.

[A]

You ever have anything for 10 years?

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Which I now.

[B]

Yeah. Okay.

[C]

So I get. And I did a YouTube video about this, too, that kind of goes over the whole thing. But it was, I have to say, like, looking. Looking back on owning my M5 for a decade, it's crazy to have had a car for. For that long. It was through me, with my life from age 20 to age 30. A lot of your life changed in that period of time. And the thing is, like, I still love. The moral of this whole story is, despite the costs and some of. Some of the pain I've had with it, I still love the car. Which also brings me back to another point. Someone asked a couple weeks ago how much I'm invested in the car this year because I didn't want to go over two grand.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

So I tallied it up and I made sure it's.

[B]

Don't reveal it here.

[A]

Oh, no, no, no. This is a big. This is a big thing.

[C]

When you were gone, $1,348 is less than I actually thought that it was. So I'm still.

[A]

And that doesn't include the gift card we gave you to. Doesn't.

[C]

No.

[A]

Because, like, I agree. I agree you probably wouldn't have done it.

[C]

I didn't spend that money. Money was spent by others by giving.

[A]

You the gift card. We like that. Wouldn't necessarily have even done it if we hadn't done that.

[C]

Yeah. So thank you. Thank you guys having done that. But nonetheless, like I just love. I just still love the car. I really love the SL65. I astonished how much I like this car. But that one will. Will stick around for. For the future, I think. I just really enjoy the car.

[B]

I will say I watched the video and I'm excited for when you start modifying it as you said you would. At the end of the video I.

[C]

Mentioned that I would consider an exhaust system.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

At some point when the car leaves daily duty and I think. I don't know exactly when that's going to be, but it will. I don't know when. I don't want to.

[B]

That's a daily able car right there.

[C]

It is. But that's that you're wasting the purpose of that car, which is experience that incredible.

[A]

Well, you know what you need then? A third car car.

[C]

That's right.

[A]

Perhaps buy more cars. Ronald McDonald Viper.

[C]

I drove one recently and my God, I love that car. That'll be the next car after the 60.

[A]

I want to go on to market report. The market report, by the way, is brought to you by the 993turbo. The 993turbo. Am I looking for one? Yeah, you know, you.

[C]

You've been looking for a long time, buddy.

[B]

You're.

[A]

Wait.

[B]

Yeah, I can't be.

[C]

No, no. You've been talking about this longer than he has. Entry turbo for on.

[B]

Fair enough.

[A]

I look at anyway. Okay, so market report. There's two things I really want to talk about. And then we got to move on to questions. We're way over time but this pod deserved it.

[B]

It did.

[A]

F types. Can you pull that? We have sold an F type. Have you been paying attention to F type sales? In the end you're going to buy an F type. They're good deals. Go to Lowy Lowerson. We've sold this year five F types for under $21,000. The F type is now a $20,000 used car. Now obviously these are the early ones, some miles on it. But you see market's going F types are cheap. Beautiful.

[C]

This one's a V8 for 21.

[B]

My God. I remember that was sold.

[A]

I didn't really pay attention to this until we sold this last one a couple like this week. This, this great one sold. And I was like, you know, I looked at it go down the miles Were reasonable on miles. 60, 1,000 miles. It was a nice car. Unmodified, no accident. It was like a clean car. And it sold for 20. And I was like, what? Two owner. This is what these are going for now? Yeah. This is a beautiful car for 20.

[B]

I'm glad I didn't pinky you.

[A]

Can I ask you a question?

[C]

Oh, God.

[A]

Can I answer your question honestly? We just had the ND in the eye. I just did an ND review. It's gonna go up a few months.

[C]

I don't know.

[A]

It was great. I mean, I love the nd you could get this.

[B]

Could.

[A]

And it's like really a beautiful car.

[B]

It's a beautiful car.

[A]

Yeah. Pretty modern tech.

[C]

You have to imagine cost of ownership of being a car.

[A]

Maybe. But this Super 6 is in a lot of cars. Like, it's.

[B]

Yep.

[C]

Missing those. Those cylinders just filled in from the V8.

[B]

Right. Could be a V8. So easily could have been.

[C]

Yeah. A couple cold ones and a drill he can have.

[A]

Meanwhile, people are mad because they want to gatekeep the power of the monthly subscription fee. Jaguar just filling in the cylinders. Oh, yeah, that's fine.

[C]

They won't notice.

[A]

Legitimately, though. No.

[C]

That's a pretty compelling car for that number. That's a BE.

[A]

You're right. As you look at this 25. And. And honestly, as you look, I was. I was made a thing of it because they're 20. But as you look at this, even around 25, there's V, there's manuals, there's blown V8s. 15 blown V8s. There's, like, really compelling vehicles in this price point. This is a supercharged V8. That's a type R. Go down how many miles this half? Not that bad. Red. Red. This is a cool car. And the coupes look better.

[C]

That does not look 25,000.

[A]

It absolutely does not look like a $25,000 car. This is a damn cool car for the number. It drives well, too. It drives really well.

[B]

It doesn't.

[A]

It doesn't drive like. Honestly, I just had the nd. The ND is more, like engaging, of course, but. But this is cool. A 911 is more engaging. A Boxster feels like more of a sports car, but this is more a.

[C]

Very different and very cool experience.

[A]

Still, a very cool experience. Sounds great. Especially these 15. The 15 blown V8s sound amazing.

[B]

Well, if, like Canon, I want to buy an automatic car, I'll come through it.

[C]

I'm sorry, I couldn't hear you over all the torque.

[A]

Thunder from. I want to talk about one other thing that I noticed this week that I think really deserves to be talked about which is supers. Can you pull up the Supra but not the Mark 4 which I love an old school.

[B]

Oh, the Mark 4 is hot.

[A]

Can I tell you something about Mark 5 Supras?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Hidden. We don't know that because we're not like JDM guys. We're not like on the forums, hiddenly, subtly under the table, low key as the kids say. The Mark V Supra has gotten a huge following and is selling for crazy money. Yeah Mark. When I, when I went and reviewed the Mark V Supra at Summit Point, the only car review I've ever shot in West Virginia to this day when I went and filmed that video, my complaints about the Supra were it didn't have enough power and it didn't have a manual transmission. And over time Toyota gave the car more power, considerably more and gave the car a manual transmission. They should have launched that way but by doing that they suddenly created a car that a lot of people are into and these are still pulling real money now on the used market. This car has how many miles? It's a modded 18,000, 20,000 miles style car. What does a new one cost? This is a 23, this is a 50. $53,000 number plus our fee like this is these cars are slept on in a lot of the world. But if you're into Supras you are paying attention to the fact that these cars have become desirable less so the early ones with the autos like this but the 23s, 24s with the stick with the big motor are really becoming desirable used cars. It honestly is does it reminds me a little bit of of the mark 4s. Like there is a real interest in these cars. 60,065 sticker was 57 for this car that we just sold.

[B]

I'm looking for a stick one.

[A]

This is price.

[C]

The early ones are kind of valued actually I looked into this a little bit like very much like the Z4 like it's based upon. They're kind of in the same room.

[A]

But it is interesting the later ones with with the big motor. These A91MT editions are really cool which.

[C]

Underscores it should have been launched with the manual from the beginning.

[A]

I'm going to posit to you that the the power bumped. So that's like 23 and up by 22, 23 and up power bumped. Manual mark 5s don't ever lose Value. I'm going to posit that right now.

[B]

I think you're right.

[A]

I bet. I mean they also lose some. They're not going to be 65 forever, but you're never going to see these cars for 20 grand. You never will. Which I thought would happen because it was just as reskinned. Z4. The market doesn't feel that way.

[B]

Looks good.

[A]

It looks good.

[B]

Also they're very popular. Like as a car guy on Instagram, get fed a lot of reels of people doing responsible things. And a lot of that happened in Mark 5 Supras.

[A]

Yeah. People overlooked the BMW thing. They were like, you know what, it's a Supra. And the modding community showed up for them. And there is a ton of modding opportunity.

[B]

M3s, M4s are also really hot generally, especially in tuner and young communities.

[A]

And this in the end we made fun of them. So much for using a BMW powertrain. They actually chose the right powertrain to use. It was that one that was in all these BMWs.

[C]

B58, the mighty B58. Maybe the best six cylinder BMWs ever made. I prefer the S54, but I think the B58 in terms of reliability, the.

[A]

Number of cars and the power tunability.

[C]

It'S just, it's a strong six cylinder engine. That's what BMW does. So it's right that it ended up.

[A]

It turned out, it turned out that I was right about a couple things. It needed more power and a manual and they were right about the BMW thing and it worked out for them. And I think that the market demand and adorningness of this car is proving.

[C]

That like the adoration is people love it.

[A]

Right?

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

And the used values are showing that I love them.

[C]

Personally, every time I see a Supra, I think it's really cool. I think they look awesome.

[B]

Also, what a glow up for Toyota. Like the GR brand launched middlingly, but now they have this. They have the Corolla, they have the RAV4. They have outside the RAV4. That was a joke. But the GR brand is all cars that are incredibly designed.

[A]

300 Series GR Sport Land Cruiser.

[B]

Right. Software, a bunch of those.

[C]

Well, you know, can't win them all.

[A]

No, that's a cool car. I agree. They, they actually invested, you know, when I was, when I was 16 and Toyota, the mid-2000s, which was the era where all the crazy cars came from. Toyota had started to develop reputation for being the most boring car company to the point where they're well in the 90s, they had cool cars. They let go of them all. And in the 2000s, they had. It's hard to explain now, but they really had developed a rep for being pretty dull.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

And they. They had in the mid-2000s, where everybody was making all these fast cars. Their fastest car was a pickup truck. It was the Stick X Runner and, yeah, the V6 RAV4. I mean, those were their fastest cars. It was so embarrassing. And they really put a lot of effort into changing perception. I don't think there's a single person in the world today who would say Toyota's a boring company. No.

[B]

Which is incredible.

[A]

The four run on the Land Cruiser and the GR Corolla and the Supra and BRZ and all this stuff.

[B]

Crazy.

[A]

We gotta move on to questions. The questions are sponsored by Whistlin Diesel's get out of Jail Fun. Folks. I don't know if I'm allowed to pitch whistling Diesel merch on the show. And honestly, I don't even know if he's still selling.

[B]

John.

[C]

He does not.

[A]

Oh, my God. Well, we'll sell. I tell you what, we'll sell this, you write to us, you buy this for a thousand bucks, and we'll send the profits to Whistlin Diesel's get out of Jail fund.

[B]

Wasn't that a gift?

[C]

Yeah, it was from Nick.

[A]

But it was from Nick. Okay, question starting from. There's a lot of good questions, so. So buckle up. We're going to end up going along again. I feel terrible about it. First question from Quasi. Brad. Doug, Is it really a joke that you want an Arena Red993 Turbo? Someone commented on the YouTube upload saying it was a joke. And you commented agreeing with it. Then there's a car like the one you want on Bring the Trailer. It's on. Bring the Trailer. For God's sake.

[C]

I'm so glad that's catching on.

[A]

Over on the Bring the Trailer there. Yeah. No, it's not a joke, folks. I wanted the Rena Red993 Turbo. Why don't I have. Have one? Why do I have to sit here with this car model? Next question from. From ARAV2020. Question for Filippo. If you ever return. You have said for months that you're selling your Fiat 500 at Barth. When can we expect it live on the site?

[B]

Okay, here's what happened. I wanted to sell it in April, May.

[A]

And yet you took no steps to do that.

[B]

No. And then our producer was like, wait, no, we want to Use it for this other thing. This other thing that didn't materialize. This other thing. But now I'm told I can sell it in January. In January.

[A]

So we're going to do a fun little challenge event with this car and the A2 and the multiplier that I go up soon. It'll be really cool.

[B]

And then it will Euro cars, you know, will be gone and out of my life.

[C]

And if you're.

[B]

If gre. It better be.

[A]

And then he says it's going to be gone. I don't think he'll sell.

[C]

Right. If you have complaints about that time, you can email our producer Sean.

[B]

By the way.

[A]

By the way. A 2020. If you're sitting over here saying that because you want to buy it.

[B]

Don't, don't, don't.

[A]

This is bad. No. The other day Felipe was at my house bragging about how he hasn't done anything to the car and I don't think it changes. Yeah, like oil changes. That's a brake pad. No tire rotation. I've cleaned it more than he has.

[B]

I want to be clear. I put on new tires and I've gotten oil changes. What else can you want?

[C]

I haven't organized your paperwork that I found on.

[B]

I will say it's been an incredibly reliable car and all I've done is oil changes and new tires. Incredibly reliable.

[A]

Next question. Next question. Next question. From not a Porsche guy. Hey. Next question. From not a Porsche guy. Same dude. I'm not a Porsche guy either. Have SF90 values dropped low enough to be considered a good buy? No. At what number would you consider buying one $3. Next question. No. What do you think, Kenan? They're still 400 something.

[C]

They're still in the 400s. I think that should be a 300ish car.

[A]

I think it should be about a 1. Listen, I don't want me personally. If you're asking me personally and I suppose you are because you wrote to.

[C]

Me.

[A]

The day this is cheaper than a mercy. It's a good deal.

[B]

But until person I ask until that.

[A]

Day I'd rather have a mercy.

[B]

Like you are like by reputation but.

[A]

In this specific arena cars of coffee. And he was like I'm thinking about a 750s or a 296. And I was like 054 GT and he was like what? You're not wrong. I'm not wrong.

[B]

It's still a th000 horsepower VA. I think nice looking.

[C]

It is. But I don't know for intrinsic value for a 485.

[A]

Two problems. 485. It's still going to lose an enormous amount of value. Number two, it looks like a 296 which I would much rather have. I think the 296 is one of the coolest modern Ferraris.

[B]

Slower V6 it's just.

[A]

It doesn't have that much of the hybrid thing. Doesn't have much appeal to the cheapest.

[B]

SF 90s must be at 400 now or less. Was very optioned out.

[A]

I think less.

[B]

Second, the low 3s. That's interesting.

[A]

Next question from Ronnie F. 430. Hey Doug, I thought you said the 996 GT2 was your favorite 911. Do you now prefer the 993 Turbo over a lot? Nine hundred and ninety three turbo questions. Love that. The 996 GT2 is my favorite 911. I think that's true. The competitor cars are the 993 Turbo and the new 911ST, which I actually think belongs on that list. Nonetheless, what I'm looking for in this car is the 996 GT2 is pretty raw. The other two seater, no back seats. Hardcore. I got a lot of that. I got the Courier gt, the Countach, the Ford gt. I live at the intersection of raw and insane. That's where my house house is. Raw and insane. I live, I live there with. Right next door to John Force. There's a reference you weren't expecting. Raw and insane.

[B]

All right.

[A]

And so I want something that's a little bit more Chip Foose is across the street. That's a little bit more. More usable than that. And so I know the 9962 I think is a better car and actually it's cheaper and I think it's cooler and it's more fun, it's more engaging, it's more insane. But the 993 solves a little bit of a problem that I have right now, which is that I wish I had a sports car maybe a little bit more dull, maybe a little bit more practical.

[C]

Plus then you get all the great analog stuff from Porsche, the door closed and all that stuff.

[A]

Although I personally. This is the most controversial statement I'll ever make on this pod. Although not to probably the audience of the pod, but I personally think that 996 is actually the last analog number. Like if you really drive them, the 996 still feels like the tight like dynamic car that the early ones did. And it's the 997I know they went switched away from air cooled, but, like, it's the 997 that really starts to feel like the BAS.

[C]

You mean like a 997. One, like GT3 to me, feels pretty tight.

[A]

Well, all the GT3s do. Even the modern GT3s do. But when people talk about the loss of the analog feel of the 911, they're always referring to the split between the 993 and 996. To me, that splits actually between the 996 and 997. Honestly, this is a guy who's had multiple 997s, company cars. I owned a 996. I. I've experienced a ton of these cars, and I think the996 actually. Actually is like kind of the.

[B]

The.

[A]

Still still retains a lot of the character for the night. It doesn't have the air cool. It's a little bigger, but not much bigger. And I think it still has sort of the tight feel to it.

[B]

The 997 got larger.

[A]

997 was larger, and more importantly, it just. They focused on luxury in the interior. They started with it, probably given where the price point was going, but they started focusing, you know, 993 Turbo. Interesting. A new 911. A new 911 is a foot longer than a 993 Turbo and six inches wider. A 993 Turbo is five and a half inches shorter than a new Cayman.

[C]

Wow. Wow. That is a small car.

[A]

The cars have grown, and Porsche has done an amazing job of engineering this incredible steering feel and handling, despite the increased size. But the cars have grown, and I think it was the 996 to 997 split where you really felt that. I think, by the way, all of these are great cars.

[C]

It's a very interesting point. I had a friend who had a career 4s, and he said 997.2 Carrera 4s. And he said that, yeah, it just felt like a normal car to him. It felt like a luxury car. So then he ended up getting a one GT3 that felt like the 911 he wanted.

[A]

I think any of the GT3s still have that sort of tight feeling.

[C]

I see what you mean about the normal cars. Interesting.

[A]

Next question from Scott in Boston. I was wondering what everyone's garage situation was. This is a great question we never discussed. The biggest thing holding me back is purchasing it from purchasing cool cars. Lack of space.

[B]

Of course.

[A]

He's in Boston, right? Yeah, he's Got to park that thing in the back bay. They got people bumping into each other, yelling about the Red Sox, the old Belichick and that young lady. What space do you guys have? Felipe, why don't you start us off?

[B]

My house has a garage. Technically, two car garage. That's not wide enough for two cars or long enough for two cars. Cars. Truly, I. It's such a misshapen garage.

[A]

Nor your driveway.

[B]

My driveway can fit a fiat 500 bar.

[A]

Barely.

[B]

Barely. I sometimes park the GTI there, but if I go close enough to a wall, it doesn't block the sidewalk on half of it. Curves. I can fit a Mercedes station wagon in one half of my garage as long as I'm comfortable not walking by it to get literally anything else. Therefore, I don't. So I have a garage, technically.

[A]

But you don't really ever use it.

[B]

No. Sometimes I'll park a car in there. If we're going out of town, I'll park a car in there. But we use it for, like, projects and woodworking and whatever other stuff, so it's rare. Yeah. If I buy a991, I will park it in the garage.

[A]

Oh, wow. You'll have to deal with that.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Good.

[A]

Ken, what's your parking situation?

[B]

Also, we live in Southern California. There's no weather.

[A]

It's fine. Right.

[C]

It's only been raining the last week. Every day.

[A]

When you say that, even I, who hates cleaning my cars and doesn't care if my cars are clean, even I get a little. A little annoying. Yeah. It sits outside. That doesn't mean the car. There's no weather. That doesn't mean there's not issues.

[B]

No, but there are places where there's a real issue. Where hail is common or where there's enough snowfall that you create real problems. Like in Arizona, where the. The sun is.

[A]

Obviously the car can still get hit. Your car was hit parked in front of your house on the street.

[B]

Excellent point.

[A]

Okay, excellent point. Ken, what is your parking system?

[C]

So I live in an apartment complex and I have two spots that are mine in like a shared garage. But it works out well for me. And then the other thing is that.

[B]

Sorry, you're like between two pillars.

[C]

Yeah, it's like. It's like. It'd be very hard to door ding me. But I also, you know, I have access to the cars and bids garage, which is. The office is one of our great hacks. You know, Doug leaves his cars down here occasionally. I come down and clean my cars down here. And when I leave for vacation, I often will leave a car. The M5.

[A]

I was just talking to our landlord. The, our kids were playing at the park together and he was saying, you know, why don't you get more cars? You got this garage. And I was like, yeah, well, who knows? Who knows how long? You know, one day is Filippo going to come to me and say, we're done, we're out of the space. We're moving into a former McDonald's in El Cajon.

[B]

You can do videos in the drive thru. You can do as many JDM drive through videos as you want.

[A]

We did a Veyron in the drive thru. Not telling people that it was our McDonald's.

[C]

That was Philippe.

[A]

So my idea, Private McDonald's.

[B]

Keep that in mind.

[A]

Shouldn't have told them my garage. I got a four car garage at home. I got two and then I got a lift from Bendpak which I paid retail for.

[B]

Hoovy?

[A]

Yeah, Hoovy two and two. And it's cool that the two cars on the lift move independently so they go up and down so I don't have to pull like both bottom cars off to get the top ones down, which is really cool. And honestly it works well. I wish I had four flat, but I live in the city. I'm a big advocate of living in cities. I've never lived in the suburbs and I like, you know, living in cities. Kind of walkable, more urban. And so four flat garage spaces is not a realistic opportunity for, for me. But 22 was and I built that. I finished that about a year ago. And so now I get four cars at home. And my. I could have gone more. I could have gone five or six cars. Could you have at the very least forward?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And, and I didn't do that intentionally because I felt that the responsible thing to do, and I mean this sincerely, the responsible thing to do was limit myself to four cars. I have an. At some point you just got so many cars, you're just, you know. And then immediately I went out looking for a fifth car.

[C]

Right?

[A]

Yes.

[C]

Using the 10,000 square foot bunker that we have. He's got plenty of room. He likes to limit it in concept, but in reality.

[B]

No, no.

[C]

He's hunting a993.

[A]

Okay, I want two more questions. Two more questions from Paul about cars for Doug. Some Lexus dealers are now discounting new LX overtrails for over seven grand off sticker. I saw that. Have you been on Auto Trader? It's a bloodbath out there in the LX overtrail market, actually. Yeah, they're discounted.

[B]

Is that included? Huh? 700H included?

[C]

Yes.

[A]

No, the over trail is only.

[B]

I thought there was a 600 over trail. Yeah. No.

[A]

Is that enough for you to consider getting one of the Sequoia replacement?

[B]

Yeah, if you are an enterprising Lexus dealer, reach out.

[A]

Right now the used ones are, are coming under 100 and I, it's, it won't leave my mind and I just have a suspicion also your Sequoia's got.

[B]

To be worth about what you paid.

[A]

It's been hit and, and, and I took off the running back and God knows where they are.

[B]

It made it look better.

[A]

It does look better.

[C]

It does look better.

[A]

Okay, Filippo, should we do one more?

[B]

Yeah, one more.

[A]

One more good one or one more not good one?

[B]

Well, you can choose.

[A]

Okay, okay, okay, okay, Here's a good one that we can all answer from Paul Townset. Many cars seem similar in specs, purpose or performance, but get vastly different opinions on the pod. This leads me to ask you, what did the URUS do right that the DBX Purosangue and Elettra and Shirley McLarens will do do wrong? And what did the Revolto do right that the SF90 did wrong? It's an interesting question. First off, the Urus sells well. I don't know that I would say that it did things right.

[C]

Personally, my criticisms of that always were like, I thought, if Lamborghini is going to bring back an SUV, what they should bring back is something like the LM002 with a V12, make it look crazy. Instead what they did is they took a Cube seven and put a cool interior in it and called it a Lamborghini Q8.

[A]

There is a, there is a success to the Urus, I think, because the, the price point actually turned out good. The Lamborghini name is stronger. Honestly, that alone is. By the way, I don't think the Purosangue did anything wrong. It's listed in here, this guy saying, what did they do wrong? I think the Purosangue is probably the best of all of them. It's. It's too expensive, but it's the best of all of them. And when prices kind of normalize, it'll be really, really compelling.

[B]

Also, production hasn't fully picked up on those. Right. They're pretty limited.

[A]

Urus came in at a really attractive price bid and I think that's why, if you ask why, it sold well. Now, one interesting, the more interesting part of the question is what did the SF90 do wrong that the Revuelto did.

[B]

Right.

[A]

I've been thinking about this a lot.

[C]

I'll tell you, The Revuelto has 12 cylinders for one.

[A]

Yeah. I think that's part of it.

[C]

Which I think is part of it. My issue with it is that Ferrari didn't really define where it fit in their world. And it looked too similar to the normal car.

[A]

It looked too similar to the normal car. There are people who would argue that Aventura and Huracan, I mean, you're walking down the street, is Filippo going to be able to tell those cars apart?

[C]

Yeah, I think even he.

[B]

But I can tell an SF90 apart. Barely.

[C]

I don't know. Revuelta, I mean, because it came out before the Temerion, I think kind of it looked different enough and it was a different enough departure from its predecessor in the Aventador.

[A]

I do think a component 12 cylinder is a component. I think the hybrid thing is not desirable to a lot of people.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

To me also, this is going to be. Maybe this is crazy because I'm a Countach owner, but Lambo lives in that world. They own that V12 expensive segment. Ferrari owns a lot of segments. But like, when you think about what does the S Class do? Well, that the A8, which is about to be canceled, and the Jaguar XJ and the Lexus LS canceled, both canceled. The Acura RL didn't do right. Well, the S S Class is that segment. When you think about a luxury sedan, you first think of the S Class. And when I think about a mid engine, top of the line supercar in that segment, I think about Lamborghini and I think about the Miura, the Countach, the Diablo, the Murcielago, the Aventador and the Revolto. Ferrari has been a bit player in this segment. They have tried at various times to compete with Lamborghini and also at various times they have failed and backed off. And second said we can't and went back to front engine for years.

[C]

I mean, you say that the Testarossa was a monstrous sales success. They sold way more of those than Lamborghini did. Countaches.

[A]

And yet the market vastly prefers the Countach. And when it came time to redesign the Testarossa, Ferrari said, we don't have it. We don't have it.

[C]

You have it. We don't have two different periods of time. In period it was so much more commercially successful. But then as a result, because they made so many of them, that's why like all these years later, it's much easier to get one than it is a countach. It's simple supply and demand.

[A]

Well okay, but we're missing the. The point that I'm making is Ferrari then ceded that market to Lamborghini. Whether you believe that the Testarossa was better or not, Ferrari gave up. They gave up after trying twice to compete with Lamborghini on cars that weren't really all that desirable. The Boxster and the Testarossa. And in both times not succeeding. They bailed and they went front engine for decades and they've now returned.

[C]

I would argue the reason they did that is because they came up with the F50 with their mid engine V12. So if you're going to then come out with a car brand below that that's also a mid engine V12 that's confusing. I think part of the reason we wanted to go back to the traditional front engine V12 is to your point the Testarossa styling was getting old and they couldn't come up with something next. But also they came out with the F50 and they're like you can't go that way.

[A]

But the F50 was a one year only. I mean they gave that segment up. That was a market segment. The F50 was a one time thing but it was a market segment that Ferrari seeded. And I think that Lamborghini established itself as the sort of like Ferrari has established itself as the player in the entry. Like when you think of an entry exotic the tune of that's the one that all the others are compared against the luxury sedans the A8 is all of them are compared against the S class in the entry sports sedan, the 3 Series. All of the other sports sedans are compared against the three series. And I think that Lamborghini just simply has developed this reputation for creating this type of car. And Ferrari shows up with a hybrid that doesn't look different from the other car that's really expensive and people are like nah. And Revuelto was just more desirable.

[B]

Also like the SF90 was the start of Ferrari doing a lot of technology and screens. Wasn't the first but like was furthering that in a way that was at the wrong the maybe the right move but at the wrong time. And Lamborghini is on a streak of doing everything right for their market. They all of their products have have been on an up and up from a production standpoint. Like they had right timing to launch an SUV that helped them launch then a successful rto. Maybe the Temporari will be successful too. Probably like there's like a timing element here where it also worked in their favor and it did not work in Ferraris.

[C]

I feel the worst for the dbx.

[B]

I feel like Aston Martin doesn't sell any cars.

[A]

You want to know what you don't want to not screwed over? The DBX is just the general perception around the Aston Martin brand. I actually think the DBX 707 is a really compelling car. The brand has a perception of over producing cars and thus resale value is a complete disaster. Aston Martin is a desirable brand. They are just not desirable at the production level that the home office wants them to be. And so you make this many people want they really want, but they only want this many. And so there's this perception that you're going to buy a DBX and you're going to lose $100,000 in value, which is what happened, right?

[C]

Yeah. You see what they're going for now, like normal ones are like 85.

[A]

Normal ones are in the 80s. Meanwhile, you try to find an Urus in the 80s, it's going to be a Matt Armstrong rolled over six times into a ditch in Bahrain, Montana.

[C]

Titles.

[A]

Yeah. Anyway, free whistling.

[C]

Hashtag save whistling.

[A]

Free whistling. And that's our podcast. You got any final thoughts here? We're way over time, so.

[B]

Any final thoughts? I do actually.

[A]

Oh, wow.

[B]

You should just buy a crown SUV instead of a pure songwriter. Look identical. Look identical.

[A]

They're only sold in look identical.

[B]

You can't look identical.

[C]

Just oh my God.

[A]

Do you remember one thing and one thing only? Free whistling. But if you do in Montana, they coming for you. And by the way, by the way, one other thing about Montana. When you make that argument online, I mean, cars registered in Montana. What about U Haul? Try to make that argument to a cop on the side of the road, he's going to turn you into one of these.

[C]

Best podcast we've ever done.

[A]

Whistling. Free whistling.

[C]

Wow.

[B]

We're going to get some comments.

[C]

All right, goodbye everyone.

[A]

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