Will Slate Pickup Fail? New Ferrari Reveal, Future Classics People HATE Now!

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Episode: Will Slate Pickup Fail? New Ferrari Reveal, Future Classics People HATE Now!
Release Date: May 2, 2025
Hosts: Doug DeMuro, Filippo, Kenneth

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1. New Ferrari 296 Speciale Unveiled

[01:09] Kenneth kicks off the discussion with the exciting news about Ferrari's latest marvel, the Ferrari 296 Speciale. He highlights the significant enhancements over its predecessor:

• Engine and Performance: Retains the 3-liter hybrid V6 but boosts power from 819 horsepower to 868 horsepower, accompanied by an increase in torque.

  Kenneth: "It's still uses 3 liter hybrid V6 just like the 296 does. But power goes from 819 horsepower... to 868 in torque." [01:09]

• Weight Reduction and Aerodynamics: The Speciale is 132 pounds lighter, enhancing performance. Notably, Ferrari has incorporated aero features like gamma wings at the rear, generating 959 pounds of downforce at 150 mph.

  Kenneth: "They added these little gamma wings at the rear... which generate a lot more downforce." [01:36]

• Market Positioning: With an MSRP starting around $500,000, it's positioned as a more accessible yet highly performant model compared to the SF90.

  Doug: "And it's still a bargain compared to SF90." [03:59]

[05:13] Doug discusses the interior changes, noting the shift back to physical controls on the steering wheel from capacitive touch systems, which enhances usability, especially at high speeds.

Doug: "Physical buttons here is definitely going to make life a little bit easier." [04:22]

2. Slate Pickup Truck: Innovation or Misstep?

[05:56] Filippo introduces Slate, a new automotive venture backed by prominent investors like Jeff Bezos. Slate aims to revolutionize the pickup truck market with a focus on simplicity and customization.

• Design Philosophy: Slate trucks come unpainted to facilitate easy wrapping. The absence of traditional features like radios and infotainment systems underscores their minimalist approach.

  Filippo: "Their goal is to keep cars as simple as possible." [06:08]

• Pricing and Market Viability: Starting at $27,500 before tax credits (advertised as under $20k after a $7,500 credit), Slate positions itself competitively against models like the Ford Maverick. However, challenges include limited door configurations (two-door only) and lack of essential features, which may hinder mass adoption.

  Doug: "For that money you get 150 miles range, 200 horsepower and a two door truck." [09:12]

• Production and Availability: Targeting a Q4 2026 release with both coupe and spider versions already purportedly sold out, Slate's actual production numbers remain uncertain.

  Kenneth: "It's already sold out." [03:13]

[12:30] The hosts debate Slate's practicality, with Doug emphasizing the consumer preference for four-door trucks and the potential for higher costs when adding necessary features.

Doug: "This vehicle needs four doors and a lower price." [12:30]

3. Porsche’s Mysterious 977 Road Car Revelation

[17:01] Doug brings attention to Porsche's recent teaser video for the 977 Road Car, speculating it might be a road-legal version of their current flagship race car, the 963. The discussion revolves around Porsche's hesitation to fully embrace electric supercars and whether this move signals a return to traditional combustion engines or limited production models.

Doug: "They release a video teasing their current race car... And it kind of implied... a road legal version." [17:10]

[19:34] The hosts reminisce about Porsche's history of blending race and road cars, referencing the Durant 962 and debating the potential market reception for the 977.

Kenneth: "They've done this before. The Dauer 962 is a good example." [19:09]

4. Tariff Updates Impacting the Automotive Industry

[21:39] Filippo provides an update on recent executive orders signed by President Trump aimed at alleviating tariff burdens on the automotive sector. Key points include:

• Aluminum and Steel Tariffs: Cars are exempted from additional 25% tariffs on aluminum and steel, preventing double taxation on components.

  Filippo: "...cars are not subject to the aluminum and steel tariffs." [23:03]

• Auto Parts Tariffs: Starting May 3, 25% tariffs continue on major auto parts, with exemptions for manufacturers who produce vehicles in the US for the American market. However, clarity on implementation remains limited.

  Filippo: "If you're a manufacturer and you also build cars in the US... you can be exempted." [23:10]

[23:17] Doug critiques the partial rollback, suggesting that overall tariffs remain detrimental to the industry.

Doug: "Still the most beautiful word. It really is tariff." [23:17]

5. Mercedes AMG's First Electric Vehicle Announcement

[23:32] The conversation shifts to Mercedes AMG introducing their first electric vehicle, a four-door coupe, marking a significant departure from their traditional lineup.

• Powertrain Specifications: The EV will feature multiple motors, each producing 480 horsepower and 590 lb-ft of torque. The exact number of motors remains undisclosed, but possibilities range from two to four, suggesting a total output potentially exceeding 800 horsepower.

  Kenneth: "Each motor makes 480 horsepower... They could have up to 2000 horsepower." [24:28]

• Design and Market Positioning: Unlike AMG's previous models, this EV departs from the EQ family styling, aiming for a bespoke look that distinguishes it in the luxury EV market. The hosts express skepticism about its success given the lukewarm reception of AMG's current EQ models.

  Doug: "It's a bit weird... the market hasn't loved any of these really pricey EVs." [25:17]

[26:31] Filippo speculates on the EV's target market, questioning if it's primarily aimed at regions like China, where luxury EVs might have a different reception.

Filippo: "For the Chinese market, or the European market..." [26:31]

6. BMW’s New M2 Race Edition: A Glimpse into the Future

[27:32] Kenneth introduces BMW’s latest M2 Race model, which notably deviates from traditional M cars by utilizing a two-liter twin-turbocharged four-cylinder engine instead of the customary six-cylinder setup.

• Performance and Design: The M2 Race delivers 308 horsepower and is 512 pounds lighter than its road-legal counterpart. This reduction aims to enhance performance while maintaining component durability, such as the cooling system.

  Kenneth: "This car makes 308 horsepower, which is down 53 horsepower compared to the normal car." [27:47]

• Implications for BMW's Future Lineup: The shift to a four-cylinder engine in the M2 Race hints at a potential transition away from traditional six-cylinder engines in future BMW models, aligning with industry trends towards downsizing and efficiency.

  Kenneth: "If they're putting it in this car to go racing, I get it. But the M2 isn't the C60." [28:18]

[29:21] The hosts discuss the likelihood of BMW phasing out six-cylinder engines in favor of more efficient powertrains, potentially adopting four-cylinder or hybrid systems in upcoming generations.

Doug: "I think we'll see them lose the six-cylinder for the next generation." [28:46]

7. Personal Anecdotes and Enthusiast Discussions

[30:25] Kenneth shares his aspiration to purchase a first-generation Dodge Viper and an Alfa Romeo from the 1970s, sparking a lively discussion with Doug and Filippo about the challenges and desirability of classic car ownership. The conversation touches on:

• Market Availability: The scarcity of desired models like the Viper and the high demand often making acquisition difficult.

  Kenneth: "I've started looking for one. A couple of deals have kind of fallen through." [30:59]

• Value Appreciation: The potential for future classics, especially models that may not appeal to contemporary consumers but hold nostalgic and historical significance.

  Doug: "These are going to go down as ... incredibly desirable icons." [38:05]

[35:50] Doug and Filippo briefly discuss their personal commitments, with Doug challenging himself not to purchase a new car for an extended period, highlighting his commitment to minimalism or selective buying.

Doug: "If I make it through May without buying a car... the longest in 15 years." [35:55]

8. Cars and Bids Market Report: Expanding to Pre-1981 Vehicles

[50:22] Filippo announces a significant shift for the Cars and Bids platform: the introduction of auctions for vehicles prior to 1981. This expansion responds to user demand for a broader range of classic and vintage cars.

• User Feedback: Approximately 70% of surveyed users expressed interest in older vehicles, prompting the platform to enhance its offerings without compromising the modern interface that defines Cars and Bids.

  Filippo: "70% of survey respondents said they wanted older cars." [50:22]

• Live Auctions: The platform is already featuring live auctions of pre-1981 cars, including a C2 Corvette, an old Cougar, and a restored Bronco, among others. This move aims to serve both modern enthusiasts and collectors of vintage automobiles.

  Filippo: "There'll be a couple of cars live when you're watching... a C2 Corvette... an old Cougar." [51:32]

[53:04] The hosts commend the expansion, emphasizing the inclusivity and community-building aspect of allowing diverse car models to participate on Cars and Bids.

Doug: "We're not gatekeeping... we're doing it for the people." [53:07]

9. Listener Questions and Expert Opinions

Question 1: Will Slate Pickup Succeed?
A listener inquires whether Slate's minimalist pickup will find a market and what other enthusiast demands might clash with mainstream sales.

• Doug's Response: Skeptical about Slate's viability due to limited features and market preferences leaning towards more conventional pickup designs.

  Doug: "A lot of the stuff that enthusiasts plead for I think virtually always wouldn't sell." [56:00]

• Filippo's Counterpoint: Suggests that certain features, like manual transmissions and specific aesthetic choices, do have a dedicated market segment that can be lucrative if tapped correctly.

  Filippo: "Dudes just have long wanted manual transmissions in more cars." [56:37]

Question 2: Lamborghini’s Modern LM002 Interpretation
A listener asks how successful a modern reinterpretation of Lamborghini's LM002 would be in today's market.

• Doug's Insight: Believes that while Lamborghini successfully launched the Urus, a robust off-road model akin to the G Wagon could capture significant market interest due to the high demand for luxury SUVs.

  Doug: "People would go crazy buying that." [60:34]

• Kenneth and Filippo's Agreement: Agree that Lamborghini could potentially dominate the luxury off-road segment if they leverage their brand prestige and engineering prowess.

  Kenneth: "They know how to engineer an off-road suspension." [60:38]

Question 3: Ranking V12 Lamborghini Flagship Supercars
A listener requests a ranking of Lamborghini's V12 flagship models.

• Hosts' Discussion: Engage in a spirited debate, ultimately ranking the Countach as the top V12 model for its iconic design and legacy, followed by the Diablo, Lamborghini Huracán, and the Revuelto. They emphasize the Countach's role in defining Lamborghini's aesthetic and performance standards.

  Doug: "The Countach is simply a better car to use. I absolutely lose it." [63:18]
  Kenneth: "The Countach is simply the best." [65:15]

Question 4: Modern Luxury Features vs. Traditional Controls
A listener queries whether the shift to screen-based controls in luxury vehicles genuinely enhances the sense of luxury or merely aligns with consumer expectations.

• Doug's Stance: Argues that screen-based interfaces fulfill modern luxury expectations by offering more features and seamless integration, despite purists preferring physical buttons. Emphasizes that current buyers are accustomed to digital interfaces and value the enhanced functionality screens provide.

  Doug: "Screens make sense to them. It's what they understand." [70:33]

• Filippo and Kenneth's Agreement: Acknowledge the shift towards screens but also recognize the nostalgic appeal of traditional controls for certain demographics.

  Filippo: "People have taken to understand screens equals features equals luxury." [73:04]

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Conclusion and Final Thoughts

[77:27] The episode wraps up with the hosts celebrating YouTube turning 20 and expressing excitement for upcoming features on Cars and Bids, particularly the inclusion of pre-1981 vehicles. They encourage listeners to explore the expanded auction platform and anticipate a continued blend of modern and classic automotive content.

Doug: "Best podcast we've ever done in our lives." [77:30]

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Notable Quotes

• Kenneth on Ferrari 296 Speciale’s Performance Enhancement:

  "It's lighter... they've added quite a bit of aero... 959 pounds of downforce at 150 miles an hour." [02:22]

• Doug on Slate Pickup’s Market Challenges:

  "This vehicle needs four doors and a lower price." [12:30]

• Filippo on Cars and Bids Expansion:

  "70% of survey respondents said they wanted older cars." [50:22]

• Doug on Modern Luxury Features:

  "Screens make sense to them. It's what they understand." [70:33]

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Overall, this episode delves deep into the evolving automotive landscape, exploring cutting-edge models, innovative startup ventures, industry challenges like tariffs, and the nostalgic passion of car enthusiasts. The hosts provide insightful commentary, blending technical analysis with personal anecdotes, making it a comprehensive listen for automotive aficionados.

Transcript

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[Doug DeMuro]

Hello and welcome to this car pod.

[Kenneth]

I'm Kenneth.

[Filippo]

I'm Filippo.

[Doug DeMuro]

And let's start with the news.

[Kenneth]

Yes, it's a Ferrari. So it must be my story. So this is the Ferrari 296 Speciale. We all knew that a lightweight version of the 296 was coming and that is exactly what this car is. So it still uses 3 liter hybrid V6 just like the 296 does. But power goes from 819 horsepower, which was insane, to 868 in torque. Prices from 546 to 557. So a pretty big power increase.

[Doug DeMuro]

870 horse.

[Filippo]

That's not a huge increase in torque either.

[Kenneth]

But, but critically, like, it's, it's lighter. They say it's 132 pounds lighter, which doesn't sound like much. But the 296 wasn't a heavy car to begin with. So as usual, like, you know, they had more power, they stripped more weight up. But the big thing with this car is they've added quite a bit of aero. They've added these little gamma wings at the rear, which Ferrari de Montezemolo said they famously, we do not do wings. And they added these two little wings at the back which generate a lot more downforce. 959 pounds of downforce at 150 miles an hour.

[Doug DeMuro]

That's a pretty legit amount because the car only weighs. Do you want an explanation? The car only weighs what? I don't know £3,200. So £1,000 of downforce is a lot. It's providing a pretty. That's a lot of weight, pushing the car down, keeping it on the ground.

[Kenneth]

Well, for perspective, the standard car produces 650.

[Doug DeMuro]

So it's a pretty big jump car still. Rear wheel drive.

[Kenneth]

Yes.

[Doug DeMuro]

870 horsepower through rear wheel drive. And we thought the Hellcat was insane.

[Kenneth]

Yeah, it's going to be pretty rowdy. And already it laps Furano 2 seconds a lot faster than the 296. It's putting out down the same time as the SF90 which of course is not a desirable car. Well, but.

[Doug DeMuro]

And this doesn't this seal the fate of the SF90?

[Kenneth]

I mean. Yeah, this is. If they were. I mean as if the market values weren't a hammer blow enough.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah.

[Kenneth]

This thing is just because I'm looking.

[Doug DeMuro]

At this and I'm thinking this is going to be limited. Not physically, they won't limit the number but it's going to be a lesser production car. Whereas there's a lot of SF 90s. The power on this, the performance on this is absolutely unbelievable. It's gonna be incredible. I think it looks cool as hell. The regular one already does. And then this looks even cooler.

[Kenneth]

I totally agree. And it's coming out. They say first quarter of 2026 in coupe version and then they're going to have a Spider version as well. And they're all already sold out.

[Doug DeMuro]

They're not all already sold out. Are they saying that still?

[Kenneth]

They're saying that.

[Doug DeMuro]

Why do they say that they're gonna sell this for multiple model years. I mean this isn't gonna. This is not already sold out.

[Kenneth]

They've already offered it to customers who have owned stuff already in the sense.

[Doug DeMuro]

That they will problem.

[Kenneth]

Right. I agree with that. Verbal, which in Ferrari world is all you need really for them to say. Yeah. But prices really haven't been announced yet. Obviously for the US market with tariffs it'll be a little bit different. But a lot of people are expecting it's going to be around half a million dollars somewhere in that range.

[Doug DeMuro]

What is a 296Garnet base MSRP is.

[Filippo]

350 in the 400s with options.

[Doug DeMuro]

So yeah, like oh deep. And for a spider like probably 375. So 450 with options. This will start around 500. That seems like.

[Kenneth]

That seems about right. Yeah.

[Doug DeMuro]

And it's still a Bargain compared to SF90. Right. It's to me which starts at 525. But they all seem to be equipped in the 650, 700 range and they sell for 264.

[Kenneth]

Right. So it's a barg by that comparison. And I mean yes, you have six cylinders as opposed to eight in that car. But like I'd rather have way rather have this car.

[Filippo]

I saw something about the steering wheel having physical controls.

[Kenneth]

Yeah, I did notice that.

[Doug DeMuro]

So I was actually surprised to see that because I just did a video with the 12 cylindry. Yeah. And they're still using the capacitive touch guys. But they must have received some feedback because this is their very newest car and they still looking at that interior photo. You can pull it up if you want. Just type in 296 Speciale Interior. They still have a lot of those capacitive touch guys that people don't seem to like. But the steering wheel itself, they have gone back to actual buttons. Now I don't think that's true of the start stop button. I think it's still a thing. Hard to see here, but yeah, hard to tell. Maybe it's a button. But regardless, all of this stuff in all the other cars, including the regular 296 is the capacitive touch. And it's not the easiest thing to use. When you slide your fingers over, it's hard to. The system has a hard time interpreting what you're doing. Physical buttons here is definitely going to make life a little bit easier. That alone makes this car more desirable.

[Filippo]

Do you think it's going to be a differentiation they make for their more track focused models where that might matter?

[Doug DeMuro]

I have a bet they roll up. This is the beginning of going back to some of the.

[Kenneth]

Because I mean again with the Ferrari, especially with the start button, I'm going to feel like I'm doing.

[Doug DeMuro]

I don't to the capacitive touch controls actually for a lot of the stuff. And I know it's cheaper for them to make. So it's like kind of a okay for consumers win for the company. No problem. The steering wheel is a drawback, especially because Ferrari puts almost all of their infotainment in the gauge cluster, not in the center. So you're controlling it all with those little things. And it's a little difficult when you slide left. Sometimes the thing interprets that as a left tap as opposed to a slide. And that can get annoying. Especially when you're going 300 miles an hour.

[Kenneth]

Right. Or something on the autobond.

[Doug DeMuro]

Of course. Okay, next one. This is a big one. Filippo, tell us about it.

[Filippo]

All right, this is the new slate.

[Doug DeMuro]

Filippo was there when the COVID was pulled off the slate at some sort of event space in Long Beach.

[Filippo]

They had an event last week and they drove it. They drove into the airplane hangar in a slate.

[Doug DeMuro]

They did. They rented out an event space after this. They had the Gold Farb wedding. They had to get Slate out of there by 11:30. We got.

[Filippo]

But this is the new slate. Slate is a whole new car company that is funded in large part by Jeff Bezos and by the dude that owns the LA Dodgers as well as some other investors. And their goal is to keep cars as simple as possible. So everything they're doing is about simplicity. You might notice that none of them are painted. That's because you can. They're designed to be easy to wrap. And you can wrap it. You can buy wrap from Slate or you can bring it to your own wrap installer. There are a bunch of other components that you expect to be in a car that aren't in the slate in.

[Doug DeMuro]

The name of like a radio.

[Filippo]

Like a radio. You want a radio, you want any infotainment system. Too bad.

[Kenneth]

You as a native European must love this. Just no options of any kind.

[Filippo]

If you could get rid of many customization options, but nothing standard. Sorry, nothing required. It's a cool idea, right? Like keep the build process really, really simple, keep it really standardized and then offer a bunch of customizations that in their words, get like flat packs shipped to the consumer. So you might notice there's an SUV available. There's also a slant back SUV available. You buy the pickup truck and you then buy the additional seats and roof that goes in the SUV and they ship it to your house.

[Doug DeMuro]

Here's my problem because there's some more problems. The starting price is 27. 5.

[Filippo]

They're advertising it as after tax credits, it being under 20 grand. Tax credits right now are 7, 500.

[Doug DeMuro]

So. Yeah, so. So it's 27.

[Filippo]

4, 9, which is the same price as a Ford Maverick, by the way.

[Doug DeMuro]

Really?

[Filippo]

That's what the Maverick is, 26, nine MSRP. So yes.

[Doug DeMuro]

With destination. Yeah, 27. That's interesting. That's one of my problems, by the way. This is a two door.

[Filippo]

It's a two door.

[Doug DeMuro]

The market doesn't want two doors.

[Filippo]

Yeah, but the market might want two doors. There's none for sale. Nobody knows.

[Doug DeMuro]

Okay, well let's go through some of the two door SUV's that have the Bronco. No, the Wrangler is the best example of the Wrangler was a two door. For years and years and they came out with a four door. And do you know the mix now it's 85 15. The four doors are 85% of Wrangler sales. Let's talk through the other two door SUVs that have succeeded over the years. The Chevy S10 Blazer, the Ford Explorer, the Defender, which exists. The Defender. What's the model mix there? Fender? Approximately 97 to 3.

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[Doug DeMuro]

So it's a two door only. And by the way, I wasn't just talking about SUV's pickups too. The Maverick is a four door pickup. The market likes four door pickups. Now is there, is there an accessory to add on doors?

[Filippo]

No, but you cannot see a couple of other fellows a couple of other fun facts about it. There is a front trunk that they advertise as being able to fit 2 carry on size suitcases. So that's something.

[Doug DeMuro]

Okay, that's actually a pretty big deal.

[Filippo]

It's rear wheel drive, 201 horsepower, something like an 8 second 0 to 60 time is what they're claiming by default. The default configuration which starts at 27.5 will have 150 miles of range. Thereabouts. You can add on an extended range battery. That brings us to 240.

[Doug DeMuro]

So for the same price as a Maverick.

[Filippo]

It's a tough.

[Doug DeMuro]

You get two less doors, no radio, no paint. 150 miles of range.

[Filippo]

Crank windows.

[Doug DeMuro]

Crank windows.

[Filippo]

Although I mean bark.

[Doug DeMuro]

People are gonna freak out and be like oh this is exactly what I want and then are they gonna buy it?

[Kenneth]

Let me, let me do the math.

[Filippo]

Carry the one as is legally mandated. Though they do have a backup camera. They have automatic emergency braking and they have collision avoidance or the color Legion detection.

[Doug DeMuro]

Okay, well the back which is federally.

[Filippo]

Legally mandated by that.

[Doug DeMuro]

I don't.

[Kenneth]

Slowest EV on sale.

[Doug DeMuro]

No, there's some slow stuff out there. Subaru makes the Solterra and I don't know if it's slower but in my mind it is 8.1.

[Filippo]

So there's things that I like and things that I don't like, including having seen in person. I love the approach to simplicity. Like there's a lot of stuff in cars that a lot of consumers don't want and would be willing to trade savings for. And I also am a big fan of any time a manufacturer tries really hard to simplify what they're building if there are cost savings that result and they have not found those cost savings.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah, it's kind of.

[Filippo]

The price isn't right.

[Doug DeMuro]

It's kind of surprising for the same Money as a Maverick. And they're saying pre. They're saying for the. If you don't include the incentive it's 27 5. Well the incentive may go away. There's a lot of talk about that.

[Filippo]

Q4 2026 is what they're targeting. Which really means they'll deliver a truck in December of 2026.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah. And that's far away. That's two years from now.

[Filippo]

I would not be that confident that incentive will. Now they do say that it's going to be made at a factory in Indiana and the batteries will also be made in the US So from a tariff perspective the Ford Maverick might increase notably in price because it's built in Mexico. Built in Mexico. This will not in theory it's built fully in the US which is cool and I like parts of the concept but it's not the right price.

[Doug DeMuro]

It is an interesting idea and concept. However, when I was looking at what is all accessorized if you want a radio, if you want paint, if you want this and that, they're going to end up a normally equipped one that most people are going to want is going to end up costing $35,000. And for that money you get 150 miles range, 200 horsepower and a two door truck. And for 35 the Maverick offers a quite an appealing. You can get a mid trim or high trim Maverick or a lot of used stuff. And I imagine that used cars is one of the is is something they're really trying to focus.

[Filippo]

A lot of their messaging was around you previously were only in the market for a used car. Now you can get a new car.

[Doug DeMuro]

Well now you can get a new two door SUV with crank windows and.

[Kenneth]

A 06 time from the 1970s.

[Filippo]

I meant to. I don't care about the specs for that. I think that really cars are overbuilt for the average consumer. From a power perspective like they don't.

[Doug DeMuro]

If you could deliver me an underbuilt car for 15 I'd be for 15.

[Filippo]

Not pre lived 15 period. Not $27,500.

[Doug DeMuro]

Because the incentive is the incentive off your income taxes.

[Filippo]

There is a phase out so you need to be making under.

[Doug DeMuro]

Okay, but it is off your income taxes.

[Filippo]

You can get the credit immediately upon purchase.

[Doug DeMuro]

Right now let me name some other great successful two door SUV's. Land Rover, Freelander. Canceled. Failed Suzuki Sidekick. Canceled. Failed Toyota Land Cruiser. Canceled. Failed Toyota RAV4. Canceled. Failed Isuzu Vehicross. Canceled. Failed Kia Sportage. Canceled. Failed Nissan Murano. Canceled.

[Filippo]

Two Door. Kia Sportage.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yes. With a convertible. Oh yeah, that's right. Ms. Mercedes G Wagon. Canceled. Failed. Isuzu Trooper. Canceled. Failed. James Jimmy.

[Filippo]

Cancelled.

[Doug DeMuro]

Failed.

[Filippo]

What Slate has different is they have the pickup truck. You can also get flat pack, the hard top like that and the slant back one.

[Doug DeMuro]

This vehicle needs four doors and a lower price.

[Filippo]

This is the kind of. It certainly needs a lower price point. I don't disagree about for. I could imagine it being a really appealing fleet vehicle. It's simple. You can presumably buy a bunch from Slate directly. You can customize it easily to represent your business.

[Doug DeMuro]

You don't need your fleet guys having a radio.

[Filippo]

Well, fundamentally, if you're ever like, if you see what fleet drivers are driving, they're using their own tablets for navigation anyways because it's tied to their company. You don't need to have an inbuilt navigation system. You don't need that stuff. I do agree that's appealing for this, but for a consumer.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah, a little less appealing for a consumer because once you get. I mean, wraps aren't cheap. Wrapping a vehicle is not cheap.

[Filippo]

No, this is purposely designed to be cheaper nonetheless. Yeah.

[Doug DeMuro]

I mean wrapping a full car is still two grand. I mean a car this size, it's little and it's designed for that. Maybe it'll have some efficiencies but it's going to be expensive if you want any sort of paint on, etc. I just, I think the concept of it is cool. Like you do the concept of like a cheaper. I like that.

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[Doug DeMuro]

Scaled down, etc.

[Filippo]

But yeah, I also do legitimately love that they're trying to keep things simple.

[Doug DeMuro]

It's just hard for me to explain how much consumers want four doors. Every pickup truck has switched away from this. Every SUV has switched away from this.

[Filippo]

Also fundamentally at that price point, what you're actually going to, where you're going to be most successful is if you can finance everybody. So really if this truck comes out and they're very well funded, so it will. Their success is going to be partially on price and features and partially on like can you beat Nissan and Hyundai at the finance anybody game? Do you have the right financing partners? Can you get deliveries out to customers? Can you make it seem appealing? Is your advertising strategy a good one? And they are backed by people that have had incredible success. So maybe four doors.

[Doug DeMuro]

Four doors. People are going to watch this and argue with me, but I've watched my. When I was a kid, every truck was two doors.

[Filippo]

Yep.

[Doug DeMuro]

And then this concept of A four door truck came out. And now for Maverick, for Ridgeline, for Grenadier, Quartermaster for Santa Cruz, they didn't even consider a two door version. It's not even discussed. And when you look at Tacoma and when you look at Frontier and Ranger, the percentage of four door sales is absolutely astronomical. Either crew cab or extended cab or four door. Then you go to the SUV side and it's the same deal. So that in itself from an architecture perspective is already a drawback of the car. Then you get into stuff like nothing standard and it's pricey, I will say.

[Filippo]

So part of the nothing standard, you can get customizations. Part of their pitch at the event was, okay, you can pay the 20 grand up front or whatever and then when you are able to, you can decide to add these customizations. So it's fair. By the way, it looks a lot like a Bronco 2. I've been trying for a while to place what the SUV looks like.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah.

[Filippo]

And it's a Bronco 2.

[Doug DeMuro]

Bronco 2, yeah. Which by the way, fail.

[Filippo]

For Kenan's sake though, it is two feet shorter than a Maverick.

[Doug DeMuro]

Two shorter than a Maverick. And like short though. That's interesting. That's actually bigger than I was expecting. A Maverick is actually pretty long. A Maverick is 200 inches long.

[Filippo]

So this is 174, 76.

[Doug DeMuro]

Two feet shorter one. 170. Okay, that's pretty good. That's like a Corolla. That's actually. But you lose the doors.

[Filippo]

It's an inch longer than a Crosstrek or something. Or a shorter crosstalk.

[Doug DeMuro]

Anybody can get two feet off a Maverick if you pull out the back doors. Hell, why don't they put the front doors, they could be four feet shorter. No receipts at all. Okay, move on to the next one. Yeah. With everything that's happening in the economy, it feels like we're all walking on shaky ground. Prices are stuck at really high levels and it seems like nothing is affordable anymore. It's no wonder many relying on credit cards to cover the gaps. Credit card debt is skyrocketing and it's leaving a lot of people stressed out. If you're a homeowner, you don't have to face this uncertainty alone. My friends at American Financing can help you take control. They can help you access the equity in your home to help you pay down that high interest. Credit card debt giving you peace of mind and real savings. On average, people like you are saving $800 a month. Plus American Financing may close your loan in as little as 10 days. Their mortgage consultants are salary based, so there's no incentive for them to put you in a loan. That doesn't make sense. And American, American Financing is family owned and they've been around for 25 years. Don't let the chaos of the economy get the best of you. Call American Financing now. It costs you nothing to get started and you may be able to delay two mortgage payments, giving you a cushion in this uncertain time. Call today 866-885-1881 or visit american financing.net nmls 182334 nmlsconsumeraccess.org Ooh, Porsche. Okay, does anybody know about this or.

[Filippo]

Do you want me to talk absolute.

[Doug DeMuro]

Porsche released a video about this car which was some sort of old Porsche race car that was titled for the 97 6. Sean's mad at me because I don't know, but I don't get into this stuff.

[Filippo]

The 977 is the game that was titled for the Road.

[Doug DeMuro]

It was titled for the Road. It's a big deal if you're into Porsches. If you went to all the Porsche events, you know what this is? I don't know what it is. It's some Porsche, okay, race car that was offered that someone made into a road car. Okay. So they released a video teasing their current race car, their current flagship race car, this, which is the 963. And they kind of implied in the video that they will be making a road legal version of the 963. Sort of a tribute, a hearken back to the old road, that particular road legal 917. Now, in the Porsche supercar community of which I am a part, obviously there was a lot of fear that the next Porsche supercar would be fully electric. And Porsche had teased this Mission X that was this electric supercar. And then they never. They haven't set. That was always. That was a. They never claimed they were going to build it. But there was thought that Porsche makes a concept car. Porsche typically ends up building it. There was thought that Porsche had like pulled back from that. None of this had ever become official. But through various inklings we had heard that Porsche had pulled back from Mission X. They didn't want to build an electric supercar because they've seen the lack of success that other electric supercars have had. The question is, is this the next Porsche Supercar after career GT918 this or is this some special thing that they're going to make in very small numbers, like a road legal version of this lmp. I mean this would be a very special car. If they made it hard for me to believe they're going to be able to find big amount of buyers for a road legal version of a race car. They're usually quite compromised.

[Kenneth]

Right. Of course you, you drove one recently like the Aston Martin Valkyrie is that. And it's just a race car, but it's definitely to that point.

[Doug DeMuro]

You know, Aston did that with the Valkyrie. Maybe Porsche is sitting there saying, well why don't we, I mean why don't we give it a try.

[Kenneth]

They've done this before. The Dauer 962 is a good example. That was a 962 race car with.

[Doug DeMuro]

License plates and the Courrera GT is a Formula 1 engine.

[Kenneth]

So you could argue does not have an F1 engine.

[Doug DeMuro]

You could make the argument that they've done it many times.

[Filippo]

What year was the courier GT announced in 2000? What year was the 918 announced?

[Doug DeMuro]

We announced it in March 18th of 2013, I believe. I think that's true. No, 2012 and it was around.

[Kenneth]

Production began in 15.

[Doug DeMuro]

Around there.

[Filippo]

This is like 05 2015.

[Doug DeMuro]

No, we announced it. Nine hundred and eighteen of 12.

[Kenneth]

I think I see what you're going.

[Filippo]

They haven't had a. It's been a while car in a decade. I don't know. This doesn't seem like that though. This seemed like the kind of thing where Ford 3rd gen Ford GT is a race car.

[Doug DeMuro]

Either way, I will say one thing to Porsche's deep, deep credit. Last week we made fun of that ridiculous 70 years of the 70s or whatever the hell. That yellow thing.

[Kenneth]

Yeah, B.S.

[Doug DeMuro]

This ain't B.S.

[Kenneth]

No, this is pretty real. They slapped back pretty quickly.

[Doug DeMuro]

This is cool. Like whether or not it's made. My guess is what they're going to do is build this in a tremendously small production volume like they did with the 935. Remember that was a GT2RS. That was a race car for the. And it was very slow production. I got in Manny Coachman's we didn't drive it around. It seemed very compromised. But there's a market for that and if they did this as a road car that would be even cooler.

[Kenneth]

No, I agree. I don't think this is their next supercar. I think it's something else and it'll.

[Doug DeMuro]

Be exciting to see what they pretty damn cool. Any sort of road version of this. And by the way, they said it's coming June of 25 which is, you know, two months away. They'll probably show it. My presumption is very expensive, very limited production, very compromised car for only a very certain type of buyer. Not your Carrera GT buyer who wants a car to cruise around on weekends, but guys who are like really dedicated Porsche people and in theory track people. But it would be cool. Whatever it is, a road going version of this would be cool.

[Kenneth]

I guess if you're looking at it in lineage terms, it's like the Courier GT is the 959 Courier GT 918. That's its own separate thing. The 962 dower the GT one. Maybe this is more, this is more.

[Doug DeMuro]

Like a 996 GT one.

[Kenneth]

That's, that's, I think that's how I think about it.

[Doug DeMuro]

That's probably a good example of what it is. But how cool would that be if that was a thing?

[Kenneth]

Be damn cool. Build it.

[Doug DeMuro]

And I will say also I, I do struggle every day to try to connect my career GT with the racing.

[Kenneth]

You know, I watch you struggle.

[Doug DeMuro]

And, and the 918 is the same, right? The 918 used the powertrain from the Le Mans car at the time or whatever it was.

[Kenneth]

I don't know, 919R, I think.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah, yeah, the 919R, you know, sure, of course. But to actually take the race car and turn it into a road car, no struggle there. That'd be cool.

[Kenneth]

I'm here for it.

[Doug DeMuro]

Next news story. Immediately.

[Filippo]

Cars.

[Doug DeMuro]

It's cars.

[Filippo]

They're all impacted by tariffs. No, the reason we're talking about it again, because about it every week. Yesterday, on Tuesday, President Trump signed a couple of executive orders that are intended to help the automotive industry. He's clear the administration's clearly getting a lot of complaints from manufacturers, from dealers, from lobby groups. And there have been a. There were a couple of very technical executive orders intended to help them. One of them says that basically cards are not subject to the aluminum and steel tariffs. The thought being there's already a 25% tariff on anything being any card being imported. They don't need to also be doubly tariffed on these other components. That helps, presumably. The second is related to the auto parts tariffs. Major auto parts starting May 3, if memory serves, are also going to be subject to a 25% tariff. There's now a sort of a carve out where if you're a manufacturer and you also build cars in the US for the American market, you can kind of be exempted from a portion of the value of that. It's 3.75% of the value of American made vehicles. None of it. I will say from what I've seen, there's no clear guidance on how, when, who's calculating what formulas, who decides how much it's paying, what the consequences are for guessing wrong, whatever. Still a lot of questions. The automotive industry, I don't think is. I think they would like more support on tariff, on limiting tariffs. This is a little bit of like a gesture out saying, hey, we're listening. Ish.

[Doug DeMuro]

The tariff thing is so. A little bit more rolling back of the ridiculous.

[Filippo]

Lightly rolling back, continuing to.

[Doug DeMuro]

People were getting, yippee. Remember that.

[Kenneth]

We're now rolling back. We're making it even better. I'm still tariffing everything. Everything's terrif.

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[Doug DeMuro]

Still the most beautiful word.

[Kenneth]

Still the most beautiful word. My favorite word.

[Doug DeMuro]

Okay, move on to the next news story. Thank you for the tariff update. Filippo.

[Kenneth]

Yes. So Mercedes, Mercedes amg as denoted by the logo. Putting that together now. They've recently released this graphic which is just an AMG background with some very swoopy looking coupe thing. A four door coupe car. Now this is allegedly going to be their first ev. AMG has not built an ev.

[Filippo]

What about the eqs?

[Doug DeMuro]

Amg?

[Filippo]

Amg?

[Kenneth]

They said, nope, this is a bespoke amg. They even built one from the ground up themselves. And so AMG is saying this platform is going to become that which I'm sure will be wildly successful.

[Doug DeMuro]

That's just what we need. Another. Have they looked at the money under the hood of RS E? Tron GT's RSE. Tron GT's got a 160 sticker. You can walk out the dealer with one for like 37, five AMG's like, yeah, we gotta get in on that.

[Kenneth]

Now I will say it depends. I mean they, they are alluding to exactly the kind of motors they're going to use, but they're not telling us how many of them they're going to use.

[Doug DeMuro]

Seven. Four.

[Kenneth]

Each engine makes, each motor makes 480 horsepower. 590 foot pounds.

[Filippo]

It's going to be two. Sorry.

[Kenneth]

If it's three, I mean, I mean there's an entire. It's a possibility this car has 2000 horsepower.

[Filippo]

How many motors the highest trim EQs have two. Right?

[Kenneth]

Two. I think, I think even other competitors, like three is kind of pushing, but BMW is looking at four.

[Doug DeMuro]

A lot of them have four. So that's interesting. So they've released the power output of the motor.

[Kenneth]

Of the motor. But they won't Tell us how many they're going to use.

[Doug DeMuro]

I will. So this is a Taycan rival.

[Kenneth]

That's what it's absolutely. This is definitely.

[Doug DeMuro]

What have they said? Announced eta.

[Kenneth]

They're saying that this is going to be. No, they haven't said a specific eta, but it's June. At some point, sometime this summer, they'll reveal it. They'll reveal it and then when it's going to come out. Your guess is as good as mine. Sometime 26.

[Filippo]

Can I ask you a question?

[Doug DeMuro]

Segment is so strange.

[Filippo]

So I'm shocked that AMG specific vehicles, the SLS AMG, the AMG GT, the AMG GT after. I'm getting there. The AMG GT after that, which also had the AMG GT 63 four door and 53 four door.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah.

[Filippo]

And I think 43 four door. They currently have an AMG GT that's also the SL. So not AMGSL.

[Doug DeMuro]

Well, there's no non AMG SL so that is purely an AMG car.

[Filippo]

Is it the Mercedes AMG S LC? Okay.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah.

[Filippo]

And then what is why to take.

[Doug DeMuro]

On the Taycan, I guess take on.

[Filippo]

The famously excellently selling Taycan.

[Doug DeMuro]

It is surprising. I guess they just figure they have to be in this segment. But why the Taycan is not a huge hit. It's okay. It hasn't. It hasn't. From a sales point. I actually think it's a great car. It just hasn't been a huge hit. It's surprising especially because the Taycan's been out for a few years and has not been successful for a few years that Mercedes is now doing this. You'd think they would have done it right at the beginning and then.

[Kenneth]

Well, of course, if this is an EV skateboard platform that AMG is doing, you can imagine this will Translate into the SUVs and other models within this the space. But still, like I agree it does feel a little weird.

[Filippo]

So for the European market, the American market or the Chinese market? Because like it's got to be for the Chinese market.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah.

[Filippo]

Who else is for, right?

[Doug DeMuro]

Dude, that AMG GT four door, gas, power, great car, incredible car. Love that car so much.

[Filippo]

Truly an incredible.

[Doug DeMuro]

But I'm interested in this. I'm curious to see where it ends up. I'm surprised that the world would look at the Taycan and the E tron GT and honestly, Mercedes own EVs like the EQS and especially the EQS and EQ AMG which have not been successful. Never seen one, they're around and say yeah, we want More of this. So maybe it'll be a V12.

[Filippo]

I'm also curious to see what the styling will be eventually.

[Doug DeMuro]

Maybe there's two V12s.

[Filippo]

Will it be like, like AMG GT four door styling? Will it be fully separate? The front is.

[Kenneth]

It looks a lot like a.

[Filippo]

It looks cool.

[Doug DeMuro]

This looks cool. Whatever it is, looks cool. So I'm excited.

[Filippo]

They don't have their own styling language though and they've said they're not continuing with the EQ language styling.

[Doug DeMuro]

So the throat lobsters love those EQs, but the market has not loved them. The market hasn't loved any of these really pricey EVs, especially the performance ones. So it's interesting to see them going after them. Right.

[Kenneth]

And you can only imagine how expensive this thing will be. It's just, I mean it's going to be brutal.

[Doug DeMuro]

All right, next news story. Interested to see more of that.

[Kenneth]

So sticking with German manufacturers, so BMW released the M2. This is, is going to be their. This is like their race car. If you want to go racing, the M2 racing is what you buy.

[Filippo]

Is it like a series that we do?

[Kenneth]

It's like a. It's kind of. Yeah, it's kind of. You can kind of take it on.

[Doug DeMuro]

Your own and variety.

[Filippo]

Okay, got it, got it.

[Kenneth]

But this car, Critically, unlike the M2, it does not have a six cylinder engine. This is a two liter twin turbocharged four cylinder engine. And BMW is citing the reason it has this is that it puts less strain on the components. So you can use more of the standard components like the cooling system and stuff like that from the normal road going M2. And so it cuts down on cost. That's the B48 engine. That's in this makes 308 horsepower which is down pretty substantially. That's down 53 horsepower compared to the normal car.

[Filippo]

Lighter though?

[Kenneth]

Yeah. 512 pounds lighter.

[Doug DeMuro]

It's a race car. It's gonna be fast.

[Filippo]

Sorry. 512 pounds lighter than the prior M2 race.

[Kenneth]

Than the M2, than the normal M2. But my thing with this is they've said do not worry, is the six cylinders not going anywhere for the normal M2.

[Doug DeMuro]

But I'm like, you think it is?

[Kenneth]

If they're teasing, I bet you, I'll bet you we're going to lose the six cylinder for that car. I mean we'll definitely lose it for the next generation. I wouldn't be surprised if it's this some version of the B40.

[Doug DeMuro]

Do you think we're going to Lose it for the next generation?

[Kenneth]

I think so. I have a feeling if they're putting it in this car to go racing, I get it.

[Doug DeMuro]

Even after what happened to the C63.

[Kenneth]

But the M2 is not the C60. The C63 has always been big, burly, V8 power. This thing is the M2 isn't that.

[Doug DeMuro]

But they still got a. The Mercedes got a huge slap in the face from the market if the.

[Kenneth]

M3 had a four cylinder. Yeah, I agree with that. But the M2, it's like the size.

[Filippo]

Of the old M3.

[Kenneth]

I would obviously prefer to have a six cylinder, but I just have a feeling.

[Doug DeMuro]

I have a feeling we'll find out.

[Kenneth]

Put it on your calendar, Mark.

[Doug DeMuro]

The fact that there's a. The racing car is a four cylinder makes us a lot.

[Kenneth]

Yeah, exactly. I think BMW is being a little coy about that, but we'll see.

[Doug DeMuro]

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[Kenneth]

Oh, wow.

[Doug DeMuro]

Hippopotamuses. You can fit 14 apples in their mouth. Okay, Kenan, Kenan, tell us you have a couple of interesting things to say. Go for it.

[Kenneth]

I do have a couple of interesting things to say.

[Doug DeMuro]

Oh, wow. He knows it.

[Filippo]

He knows it. He's confident.

[Kenneth]

One is that I have somebody mentioned on the pod a while ago that I, I shouldn't get a cayenne turbo because I, I'm young and single and I should be driving a sports car. It was you and a bun. A number of people said this and so I have really been considering that and I've been looking at a variety of sports cars because I Can't make up my damn mind about what I want right now. What I really, really, really want is a first gen Viper. I love the car so much. I've talked about it before, so I've started looking for one. A couple of deals have kind of fallen through or like I. I just didn't get there soon enough or whatever. But I am like actively looking.

[Doug DeMuro]

So we're doing a first. Really want to say we're committed to this.

[Kenneth]

I really.

[Doug DeMuro]

When I come back in the fall, you're gonna have a first gen Viper.

[Kenneth]

I would like to. I'm.

[Doug DeMuro]

You're gonna pinky me.

[Filippo]

A week ago he was talking about an Alpha Romantic.

[Doug DeMuro]

You podcast audience missed this. But the other night I'm having dinner with Ken and he drops this bomb that he wants to get a four cylinder 70s Alpha. I'd never heard of this in my life. He's already in contact with some guy in Utah.

[Filippo]

Try support.

[Doug DeMuro]

Of course you do. And that was one of the things I told him hardcore. I was like, if Filippo supports this, you gotta really think about whether it's a good decision.

[Kenneth]

Well, yeah, the Alpha. The reason I want the ALPH is I do want like a vintage motoring experience. Like I like the idea of having some vintage convertible and Alfa Romeos are a really easy way to dip into that. They're surprisingly reliable. Parts are very around and they're very highly supported by a very strong community. And so like the Alpha Spider to me is like not the 80s one, like truly the 70s one. Like the Series 2 Alpha Spider, the Kammtail is kind of what I was looking at. You don't know what I'm talking about?

[Doug DeMuro]

Of course not.

[Kenneth]

Our producer does. He's smiling right now.

[Doug DeMuro]

Let me ask you this, doesn't the Viper kind of provide sort of an old car driving experience? Well, it's an engine, a seat, there might be seat belts.

[Kenneth]

It provides a different one, similar to a car I drove recently. I drove a day Tomaso Pantera recently, which is a kind of a thug of a car. Big burly motor, just lots of power and you hold on tight and you go. Which I loved by the way. But the Viper does provide more of that.

[Doug DeMuro]

You love this. You love your MV8, you love your Cayenne with your V8 and you're over here being like, I want to get an Alpha, I want to get a little duetto.

[Kenneth]

I drove our producer Sean's car and he has a GTV 74 GTV and it was lovely. It was so such a.

[Filippo]

It's a different experience, but it's a lovely experience.

[Kenneth]

It is different. It's just, it's more of.

[Doug DeMuro]

But I'm thinking about who you are as a. Okay, look, the point is, I want. You want a Viper.

[Kenneth]

I would like to get a first time.

[Doug DeMuro]

Are you gonna pinky me?

[Kenneth]

I don't want to.

[Filippo]

Don't do it.

[Doug DeMuro]

I'll be back in August. Why don't you want to pinky me?

[Kenneth]

I don't want to because if something there, there are other cars on the list too. But the problem I'm running into is, like, there's just not as much out there that I'm, like, really getting excited about, because what I want, want costs a lot more, and I don't want to necessarily spend that. After my Ferrari, there's a lot of.

[Doug DeMuro]

92 Vipers out there, and most.

[Kenneth]

I want a 94.

[Doug DeMuro]

I want a lot of creature comfort. Most of the people who own them are tired of them. That's like the primary, the primary thing about the 94 Viper is that the owners are tired of them. I know they don't sell them often, but they're tired of them. Like, that's my point. Like, it's old guys who bought them, they were cool for a couple years. Now their wives don't write them anymore. They want to sell them. They just don't know they want to. You got to show up at their barn.

[Kenneth]

Well, no, they want to sell them, but then they post them for prices that the market does not agree with based on the.

[Doug DeMuro]

Understood. You got to wait a little while or you got to seek them. You got to go there. You got to go to their house in West Des Moines. You got to knock on the door and be like, hey, man, hey, I know you got that Viper in there. I'm, I'm interested.

[Kenneth]

I, I, Yeah. If you knew somebody out there has.

[Doug DeMuro]

Are you the guy that called earlier? Are you Keenan? Keenan who called earlier? Kenyon.

[Kenneth]

That's.

[Filippo]

Are you not worried that Doug's entire point is people are tired of them and want to sell them? That's how I sell this point for ever.

[Doug DeMuro]

I want to open. Yeah, he just wants the experience for a little while.

[Filippo]

I like your statement that there's a lot of cars on the list and whatever kind of comes across your desk first. Fair interlocutor.

[Doug DeMuro]

No, Kenan, for Christ's sake, it's time to move on. We've done BMW, we've done BMWs, we've done BMWs. We're ready to move on the community. The Group is ready to move on. It's like when Sam bought another R8. Nobody cares anymore. We're ready to move on.

[Kenneth]

Our friend Sam did buy a second R8. He had a V8, automatic roadster. Got tripped about having a V. An V10.

[Doug DeMuro]

Auto.

[Kenneth]

Also an auto.

[Doug DeMuro]

We're ready to move on. The group's ready to move on. If you got a Viper, you. You would inject some life and some passion into the group.

[Kenneth]

But is that my job? It's my car.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah, but do you don't think it'll inject some passion into your life?

[Kenneth]

Do you think it'll inject passion into him?

[Doug DeMuro]

You don't hit pressure. You hear that V10.

[Kenneth]

You have to go up over. What is it, 3250, and then you can go into second gear.

[Filippo]

No, no.

[Doug DeMuro]

If you switch.

[Filippo]

If you shift really early, you're good to.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah, the skip shift only comes on.

[Kenneth]

We're just starting second.

[Filippo]

Yeah, usually.

[Doug DeMuro]

The point is.

[Kenneth]

Okay, I do want.

[Doug DeMuro]

I don't know how this turned into a. You saying you don't want to. Viper. You do want to.

[Kenneth]

I do want a Viper. It's just there don't. I'm looking every day, and there are just none.

[Doug DeMuro]

Well, keep looking. They're around.

[Kenneth]

They're.

[Doug DeMuro]

We sold. We had one on the site the other day.

[Filippo]

They show up.

[Doug DeMuro]

But I also.

[Kenneth]

My mechanic told me to keep looking, but I. I don't listen to people.

[Doug DeMuro]

Except for me. Only listen to me.

[Kenneth]

If you want to know what it's like being friends with Doug, that sums it up.

[Doug DeMuro]

Forget everybody else. Okay. We're looking for a Viper.

[Kenneth]

Not pinkying you.

[Doug DeMuro]

You got. I'm giving you four. I'm giving you four months. What would you like better for 30 grand?

[Kenneth]

Or I might just say screw it and get it. Get another Ferrari. I don't know.

[Doug DeMuro]

Oh, my God, man. We are all over the place here, and it is not going well. Okay?

[Filippo]

Can we move on?

[Doug DeMuro]

I want to move on to two very quick. My own talk cards.

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[Doug DeMuro]

Very, very short, but I want to say them. First off, I haven't told you this, and I don't think I've told you either. If I make it through May. If I make it through May without buying a car, May.

[Kenneth]

It's like tomorrow.

[Doug DeMuro]

Exactly. If I make it through May without.

[Filippo]

Buying a car, These people are listening, isn't it?

[Doug DeMuro]

I. Yeah, exactly. I have gone the longest without buying a car since 2010.

[Filippo]

Are you including daily drivers?

[Doug DeMuro]

Yes. 15 years. If I get through May without buying a car, it'll be 15 years since I have gone this long without buying a car. What? And the Sequoia was the last one I purchased.

[Kenneth]

Man, we need to. You have the Gilmore Girls jeep you need of today.

[Doug DeMuro]

It would be something like that that would convince me to buy a car.

[Kenneth]

Cuz design so off car you want to sell the clothes.

[Doug DeMuro]

People are texting me all the time. Why don't you get this? Why don't you get that? And I have to be like, listen, I have zero interest in what you're talking about. Zero. So all I got to do is make it one more month and then it's the longest in 15 years I've gone without buying a car.

[Filippo]

15 years ago you were 22, you were in college. Wow.

[Doug DeMuro]

That's right. I had just graduated from college. And when I graduated from college I lived in Georgia and, and private sales taxed. And so I. That it was right then that I just started going crazy because you could, could and you could just buy, buy, buy private sale cars. And I did that. And I haven't gone. It's only been 16 months or something.

[Filippo]

Right.

[Doug DeMuro]

But that's the longest.

[Kenneth]

Wow.

[Doug DeMuro]

So I've said I wouldn't buy a car and I have been true to it and I definitely won't buy one over the summer. Okay. The other thing I want to say. Last week we got a question that asked us cars that are hated now, that will be loved in the future. Because we often talk about how a lot of the cars that are beloved now were hated when they came out. And it was a great question and we wanted some time to think on it. And so we did think on it a little bit and we came up with a couple of answers. The new Supra and the Sterrato we mentioned last week as cars that we think are disliked now but will be loved in the future. The Strato is the best one.

[Filippo]

It's already starting on the Supra. Legitimately, the value's already up.

[Doug DeMuro]

The Supra was never hated now, but there was always this, oh, it's not a real Supra. You know, people will love it.

[Filippo]

I agree.

[Doug DeMuro]

The one that we came up with, that was the best one. The one that's most worth talking about is the new BMWs, the M2, the M3 and the M4. For all three of those cars are people are hating them, complaining, etc. Etc. And in 20 years they will all be incredibly desirable.

[Filippo]

When the new M2 came out, everybody.

[Doug DeMuro]

Was saying it's too big, too big, too Ugly.

[Filippo]

Yeah. And then 20 years, first of all, that'll be a small car probably, and it will be desirable.

[Doug DeMuro]

And the, the styling is often what makes these cars desirable.

[Filippo]

I do like how the M2 looks, to be clear.

[Doug DeMuro]

People hate it. People think that the front end is too big, that it's weird, it's okay, fine. But I remember every other car that was ever hated, including people didn't love how the Supra looked. It was too soupy, it was too melty, et cetera, et cetera. Now people are obsessed with all these things. The M2, the M3 and the M4 are going to go down as the last six cylinder manual BMWs, they're going to. And this and the M3 with its big bucktooth front end are going to be absolutely beloved icons of BMW in 25.

[Filippo]

Probably one of the last manual inline six.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yep.

[Filippo]

Cars.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah.

[Kenneth]

Yeah, cars period. Yeah, I agree with that. I've said that since they came out and that's why I view them as special. So I've never had a problem with the way they look. I don't really care as long as it has six cylinders, rear wheel drive and a manual.

[Doug DeMuro]

And it won't soon. And I wouldn't be surprised if these are the last. And one thing I've learned about cars that become valuable is it's often cars that were the last. And that mid 2000s era that we always talk about that gave us courage and Ford GT and all these other cars, it was the last pre screen, pre hybrid, pre automatic takeover. And we didn't know it at the time, but it was the last, last. And when you look at these cars, you can just tell this is it, this is the end. It is ending here.

[Filippo]

Most M3s and M4s that I see are the competition models which are all wheel drive tips.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yep. So that's going to make the sticks even more desirable. Yeah, I guarantee you. I guarantee you. Mark my words, in 25 years the comps will be worth less. Yeah, it's like the soft top.

[Kenneth]

Trust me, you're not going to need 25 years. No, that's the case. I really don't think.

[Doug DeMuro]

I mean look at, look at F1 versus manual Ferraris, right? My buddy Pat, I used to sell at Newport beach said they would get an allocation for a stick call every customer on their 430 list and they would all pass. Yep. Because they were waiting for an F1 and now what? Sticks are what, 3x why?

[Kenneth]

The turntables. That's right.

[Doug DeMuro]

Okay.

[Filippo]

I do think One of the one that kind of mentioned that's worth noting. The Hummer ev. Maybe the only time they're going to try to do something that outrageous. The Hummer H2 at the time was kind of hated.

[Doug DeMuro]

Now kind of Hummer ev.

[Kenneth]

I. I think that there's Hummer EV has a shot. I think there's an iron. People love the. The Hummer H2 right now. I think in kind of it's kind of gone through this ironic thing and people like kind of. I see them occasionally.

[Doug DeMuro]

H2 has had a little bit of a comeback.

[Kenneth]

It's had a comeback and this kind.

[Filippo]

Of like over the top styling which the Hummer EV is. I can't imagine that.

[Doug DeMuro]

I just don't think they're going to stop doing this. I think they're going to keep doing.

[Filippo]

Like that many maybe.

[Kenneth]

But I think there's kind of an iron sonic of its timeness about the movie which is so describing it as a concept is so bizarre.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah.

[Kenneth]

Here's this thing that's supposed to be big and burly and just.

[Doug DeMuro]

But it's electric convertible also.

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[Doug DeMuro]

I just don't think it's ever really going to become valuable. I could see it have a moment in 20 years.

[Kenneth]

I'm not gonna say super valuable. I bet it will be become beloved by a certain sect of people. And I. I think the cybertruck honestly probably falls in that same category too. Being like really emblematic of right now.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah.

[Filippo]

But I don't think that will ever be loved.

[Kenneth]

You'd be surprised.

[Doug DeMuro]

No. Right now is the cyber truck's best.

[Kenneth]

People love the Pinto. And then that was true.

[Doug DeMuro]

There are car cars that are emblematic of an era do be like the DeLorean and the Mustang. Some of them were good cars, some of them were bad cars. But often the gremlin do often become like. The gremlin is almost synonymous with the 70s. Right. Like the cyber truck. Will.

[Filippo]

That's so true.

[Doug DeMuro]

It'll be a 20, 25 era. Whether or not it's loved later. It will certainly always have a. It will always be special for being a cultural moment beyond just a vehicle. Yes.

[Kenneth]

And I think these car. Those cars fall into that category. Do I love it? No. Will I love it then? No. But some people will, I think.

[Doug DeMuro]

Okay, Filippo, give us your top cars and we gotta move on to market report.

[Filippo]

Yeah. For the very first time I've pulled.

[Doug DeMuro]

Over pulled over by the police. The California patrol got Filippo.

[Filippo]

I have never received a traffic ticket. I've never been in an accident I've never been pulled over over. And on Thursday was driving up to Orange county to go look at a slate. Was driving on the 5 Long Beach. Yeah. But I was driving through Orange County.

[Doug DeMuro]

Okay.

[Filippo]

I was driving up to Long beach, was in Orange county course on the five of course. And saw the police officer on the right. I was going to speed of traffic and then the police officer slowed down, pulled behind me, pulled me over. That had never happened before. Now all they actually cared about was the fact that the gti, which is what I was driving, doesn't have a front plate and the tint is kind of aggressive. Impressive. Both because I bought it from somebody and haven't. Washington state doesn't require a front plate.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yes, it does. I've actually been really. Yes, Washington state does require from. I'm surprised that you haven't had a front license plate.

[Filippo]

Nobody has drilled it. I don't have a front plate mount for it. It didn't come with the car and nobody had drilled it. And I haven't gone around here yet. It's what it amounts to.

[Doug DeMuro]

That's what they always say anyway. Regardless, you didn't get a ticket.

[Filippo]

I did not get a ticket. He just said like I, I obviously. And our producer was in the car with me. Were incredibly polite. The police officer was incredibly polite. It is surprising why they don't like.

[Doug DeMuro]

That Traffic stops are kind of high risk.

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[Doug DeMuro]

To be honest, like for officers, for the. For the people.

[Filippo]

Officer will say the same thing you see on YouTube.

[Doug DeMuro]

Constant crashes where the people hit the police cars because they won't move over a lane. It's just, it's incredibly frustrating to pull over for no front plate. I've never heard of it. I have heard of people getting no front plate tickets like when they're parked downtown at a meter or.

[Kenneth]

I've also heard if you were doing something sketch then they couldn't quite get you on radar or something or your.

[Doug DeMuro]

Car is like clearly lowered. There's clearly going to be some sort of emissions violation going on. They'll use front plate as an. As a. As a reason to pull you over. And Instagram is filled. Well, tin is a different thing. I think that tin is like totally legit reason to pull people over. I think it's wild that people have tin as dark as they do. I've never noticed on the Mine is.

[Filippo]

Not especially dark by like Southern California tint standards.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah. Do you know that Illinois has a special license plate for window tint and allows you to get dark tint if you Need. Okay, so here's the deal. Type this in. If Illinois window tint license plate. Type it in if you have a certain like an eye condition or a skin condition that's like very sensitive to. Yeah. License plate to. And then type images. And then it's this one. It ends in WT for window tints. And it's black writing instead of red like on normal. And so if you have. If you have like an eye condition or a skin condition that requires you to like be away from the sun, you get this license plate and you're exempted from the window tint laws.

[Kenneth]

Well, it's a good to be away from the sun. It's a good thing you live in Illinois. You never see it anytime.

[Filippo]

Most states do have an exemption for it. The only one that had some states.

[Doug DeMuro]

You have a card. Yeah. There's one other state that lets you put a decal on your lights. I don't remember what it is. Maybe it's Arizona. But anyway. Wow. So if anyway you didn't get a ticket.

[Filippo]

I. I will get the front plate mounted. I'm planning on ordering it and getting it.

[Kenneth]

Just get one of the things that screw into the. Are you gonna drill it into the.

[Doug DeMuro]

Are you gonna detent? I. The first thing I do about my AMG or my E class wagon, not AMG is I took it to Kevin and had them take the tin off. He was like, do you want some tin? I was like, no.

[Filippo]

I. I need to look at what the actual law is because I don't like breaking a law. If I am, I'm not sure I am. My wife and I have two different minds about this. I hate the tent. I don't like when there's an incredibly dark tent.

[Doug DeMuro]

It makes it hard to see it.

[Filippo]

So annoying at night. My wife had a good point. We drive to Arizona a lot and it is actually really nice that the car doesn't get incredibly hot driving on the eight through Arizona.

[Doug DeMuro]

And he would like to run the AC less to save money. So this is. This is a tough one for Felipe.

[Kenneth]

Does he.

[Doug DeMuro]

Does he. Does the money saving part of Filippo win out over the law abiding part of Filippo?

[Kenneth]

I have your answer. There is just trans like non tinted where it just does heat rejection.

[Doug DeMuro]

Kevin will install for you. Kevin will. I should have done it on the Sequoia, but Kevin will install for you. It's UV and it's non.

[Filippo]

It's not dark.

[Kenneth]

It doesn't cost more than normal tint.

[Filippo]

To be honest. I wouldn't pay for Tint.

[Kenneth]

But if you're taking God, you can have everything. Just do what I'm telling you to.

[Filippo]

No. It costs money. But I can still say that. I cannot no longer say that I've never been pulled over. I have now, but I still have not gotten a ticket.

[Doug DeMuro]

But you also. You didn't get pulled over for a trap thing, which I think is the. Is the actual. When people say I've been pulled over, that's what they're referring to. Equipment violations, a different thing.

[Kenneth]

I hadn't been stung by a bee till I was about 15, and I was proud of having said I've never stung by a bee. But then all of a sudden, I got a ton of bee sting. So I hope you don't get, like, now a ton of tickets, and that's what happens to you.

[Doug DeMuro]

Okay, we got to move on to the market report, which is brought to you by the Renas. The Rhinoceros. It looks like it's wearing armor, but actually it's its skin.

[Filippo]

Can I pitch a second sponsor for this? It's also brought to you by the Cars and Bids app.

[Doug DeMuro]

Oh, the Cars and Bids app.

[Filippo]

Yes, where you can browse. You can sell your car and cars and bids all through your app.

[Doug DeMuro]

My apologies to our rhinoceros community. I know you paid for this spot. Now we got. Oh, God. Filippo.

[Kenneth]

No. You were close. It's the Carson's bids aponoterosimus or whatever. I'm trying to mix them together.

[Doug DeMuro]

Oh, okay. I want to talk about two market report items that are good. The first, bring on the BMW.

[Kenneth]

Ah, yes. So I have long been waiting for the BMW M760i to come down in price. And it appears. Oops, forgotten. I and it appears we're close. I always felt once they're under 40, they are a serious, serious bargain. And we're close. We sold this 2017 M760I with 51,000 miles. Miles on it for 41.

[Filippo]

Good.

[Doug DeMuro]

So this. So for those who don't know, this is the previous generation 7 series. They do not do a V12 on the current body 7 series.

[Kenneth]

That's correct.

[Doug DeMuro]

So the previous generation 7 is the underline for the V12. And it's a V12. 7 series. What's the power rating on this car?

[Filippo]

601 horsepower.

[Doug DeMuro]

600.

[Filippo]

And more torque than you.

[Doug DeMuro]

When I reviewed this car, you remember the key let you, like, move it. There was like a. Keep the pad. Now, they don't all have that, but. So this car is 40 in the 40s. This is a normal key. Thank God. Because it was in insane.

[Kenneth]

I'm sure when that by the way.

[Doug DeMuro]

Go back to the results because R M. But look even in August they were at 4645. This car is not old. This is, this is this car, this one that sold for 46 seven months ago. That's a 25,000 mile car. Like people are gonna be like oh but they're unreliable.

[Kenneth]

I don't.

[Doug DeMuro]

This 25,000 miles. I don't know how bad can it.

[Kenneth]

Be that V12 is relatively. They've been building it for a very long time and so like I, I don't, I don't think that is what you have to worry about. Reliability, other things maybe. Cuz it is a.

[Doug DeMuro]

Well right. Look at the rear, the interior and the like Think on that picture like there's a whole tablet back here. Yeah.

[Kenneth]

I mean that's going to.

[Filippo]

But what a car for 40 grand.

[Doug DeMuro]

40 grand. 45 or whatever.

[Filippo]

It's this or like base. Base. Base Highlander.

[Doug DeMuro]

Why don't we have and the, the subtlety of it that V12 badge.

[Kenneth]

Yeah you.

[Filippo]

This is also great.

[Doug DeMuro]

You're talking to seven people with that badge. But when those people see you, there's such respect. I was driving, I told you this. I was driving on the freeway the other day. I think I was in my Ford GT or maybe the Countach and I saw one and I was like oh like I respected the person.

[Kenneth]

Yeah.

[Doug DeMuro]

I, I haven't driving a $40,000 car. Right.

[Kenneth]

As it turns out I respect him even more. But it, it is quite a car. Quite a value. This is a car I would consider at some stage as like a daily because man that is just so also.

[Doug DeMuro]

That body 7 still looks brand new.

[Kenneth]

It still looks great.

[Doug DeMuro]

I mean the new one is completely different looking but this still looks like modern design language.

[Kenneth]

People like this one more generally. And I totally, I don't. I, I, I like the way the new one looks but I like this question.

[Filippo]

I'm sorry.

[Doug DeMuro]

I love how the new 7 looks.

[Kenneth]

Oh it looks. It's so.

[Doug DeMuro]

The new 7 was so right wheels.

[Filippo]

And the right color works.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah. There are some bad specs but there are some good ones too. And the good ones really it looks like very like I'm the boss, you know. What do you.

[Filippo]

A seven series has gone to Rolls Royce esque vibe.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yes.

[Kenneth]

And I'm here for that.

[Doug DeMuro]

But this is cool as hell. I cannot believe these are in the 40s.

[Kenneth]

We're close.

[Filippo]

Crazy.

[Kenneth]

We're close.

[Filippo]

Well they're in the 40s for sure.

[Kenneth]

In the 30s.

[Filippo]

Almost in the 30s.

[Doug DeMuro]

That is an unreal number for what if the exter.

[Filippo]

But what blue.

[Kenneth]

This one Fire your dad blue. Azurite blue. In great traditional BMW fashion, it's blue and they call it black.

[Doug DeMuro]

All right, Filippo, tell us the most important cars and bids market piece of news.

[Filippo]

Yes, we are now auctioning cars from before 1981.

[Doug DeMuro]

Before 1981, previous to this, Cars and Bids was a marketplace only for cars from the modern era, 80s and up.

[Filippo]

We've kind of from a lot of feedback from users because we do do a lot of surveys. We talk to a lot of folks. There was a lot of interest in older cars in that. And what they loved about cars and beds was not really that it was limited to 1981 and only it was that we have like a modern interface and a site that works and a really great process for selling your car and they wanted to do that with some older cars. So we are really thinking about ourselves as the car architect for the modern enthusiast. Yeah, but with also some really cool, slightly older cars.

[Doug DeMuro]

Right. We've. We've rebranded the, the modern cars to the modern enthusiast. Now I got to be honest, honest with you, this was not my first choice. However, we did an enormous amount of research with our customers. Specifically, he said we came from feedback. This is not something we took lightly.

[Filippo]

Something like 70% of survey respondents, the last time we surveyed our users, which we do on an ongoing basis, said that they wanted to see us have.

[Doug DeMuro]

The response was shocking to me because I always felt that one of the cool things about the site was that we had only focused on this era and that we were kind of for the next generation, the younger. And what it turns out is that our users just wanted to see the older cars also.

[Filippo]

Yeah, they just love cars and they love talking about cars and they don't have that same decision.

[Kenneth]

And to be honest, like, that's kind of the. That was kind of what I came to like. I've thought about this a lot too, because I was very anti this for a really long time. But I also have come to that kind of conclusion that like, we're really about like making sure everybody is included and not just keeping a gatekeep for one type of car.

[Doug DeMuro]

And that hasn't been one of the benefits of the site. There was a wide variety and I.

[Kenneth]

Think this just broadens that variety even more. And again, I want a vintage driving experience and now I have, now I don't have to sell it. Somewhere else I can sell it on the site.

[Doug DeMuro]

You're buying a Viper, you're buying a.

[Kenneth]

Viper, 70 something Alpha, you know, and.

[Filippo]

Then you get sell on the site.

[Doug DeMuro]

You're going to be buying a Viper there.

[Filippo]

When you all are watching and listening, there'll be a couple, at least three cars live, maybe four, maybe more cars live when you're watching this that are older, that, that are, that are older, including a C2 Corvette that's been a, that's been fully restaurant modded, an old Cougar, a Bronco, which has also been really nicely restored. And then there's a lot of other cool cars coming. And if you have like a really cool car from before 1981, submit it to us now.

[Doug DeMuro]

We're not the place, we're ready.

[Kenneth]

The rest of mod1 is fascinating because that is, that's the per. It's a vintage car, but with modern stuff and that kind that, that really gets me going.

[Doug DeMuro]

This is a big change for cars and bids. This was something that we had kind of held almost sacred about the business. And obviously we want to expand and so volume is a goal. But that wasn't really the impetus for this. I was really, truly surprised at how many people were asking for this considering that I always felt that one of the things about the site was that we were kind of these newer cars. And so I'm really, really a believer in. And since I've launched this business, I've really been a believer in. Even if I don't think it's the right thing to do, if it's what, what the company wants, the employees, or if it's what the users want, then I'm not right about everything. And this is one of those things. So this is what I'm not saying I don't want to do it. I'm excited to have the old cars on the side. I think it'll be cool. But I just wasn't. It wasn't something that was on my radar until we did this surveying and continued to find out over and over from repeated surveying that people were into this. And so we're doing it.

[Kenneth]

So we're doing it for the people.

[Doug DeMuro]

Doing it for the people, for the folks.

[Filippo]

It turns out when you build a really great, great experience and platform, then people want to use it. And it felt wrong to like Gatekeep, who could use it when we're also into those cars.

[Doug DeMuro]

The platform experience and usability is a really positive reason that a lot of people, we use this business.

[Kenneth]

And hats off to our product team for building something really, really great and our design team for making it look very nice too.

[Doug DeMuro]

Okay, we got to move on to questions. Yeah, questions are sponsored by the giraffe. They're tall, and they can eat stuff that other animals can't eat. What's that?

[Kenneth]

You mean the cars and Ridd's giraffe.

[Doug DeMuro]

The cars bids giraffe.

[Filippo]

No.

[Doug DeMuro]

Felipe, tell us about the app.

[Filippo]

But I'm not wearing my giraffe shirt.

[Doug DeMuro]

Can you bid?

[Kenneth]

Oh, you're not. You don't. Well, you don't.

[Filippo]

Yes, you can bid on the app.

[Doug DeMuro]

You can also.

[Filippo]

You can sell your car on the app.

[Doug DeMuro]

You can sell your car on the app.

[Filippo]

There's so many things you can see.

[Kenneth]

Something community.

[Doug DeMuro]

If you're a giraffe, can you sell your car on the app?

[Filippo]

How good are you at using your thumbs?

[Doug DeMuro]

Let me tell you. I'm going to tell you something that's going to blow your mind. But this is true. The only time I've ever seen a giraffe in the wild, I was in an airplane, I swear to God. Okay, first question.

[Kenneth]

So much more unpacked. We're going to keep going.

[Doug DeMuro]

The only time I've ever seen a draft in the wild, I was in an airplane. All right.

[Kenneth]

Where were you?

[Doug DeMuro]

I was in Africa.

[Filippo]

Was the airplane supposed to be that low?

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah, the airplane. We were landing on a grass Runway. Okay. And when you land on a grass Runway in the bush, you buzz the Runway once to make sure there's no animals on it. I swear to God. That's true.

[Kenneth]

Yep, that's true.

[Doug DeMuro]

And so after doing the Runway buzz, I saw out the window a giraffe. And I was like, great. We're gonna go on safari. We're gonna see 100 of these giraffes. Gonna be awesome. We landed, we went on the safari. We saw every other animal. Didn't see a giraffe. Took off, left. Only the giraffe. The only giraffe I saw was from the airport.

[Kenneth]

How long were you on safari for?

[Doug DeMuro]

Oh, just a day.

[Kenneth]

Okay, well, that's why they're everywhere.

[Filippo]

But he saw the giraffe.

[Doug DeMuro]

I saw zebras. I saw zebras. By the way, zebra is not the sponsor of this segment. Okay, moving on to questions. And there were some great questions this week, so we have to cover them, starting with the first question from stepside Tundra. Will Slate succeed? The enthusiast community has long called for a bear buns truck, but no consumer will actually buy a vehicle with no infotainment in Craig winter windows. But Will consumers actually buy a vehicle with no infamous crank windows? Depending on your answer, what are some other things that car enthusiasts plead for that would be a home run Slash would never actually sell? We already covered the first half of this question. Will Slate succeed And our thoughts on it earlier. The second part of the question I think is very interesting. What other things that car enthusiasts plead for would be a home run? None. You know there's that short that's going around where I talk about how car enthusiasts people actually want a 4Runner instead of a 7Z series. The comments are vicious. You don't get what makes a 70 series. You're wrong. And I looked at a lot of the Instagram profiles, the people who are saying that you know what they're all driving. Third gen four runners, 100 series Land Cruisers with 300,000 miles. These guys are not actually buying new cars for $58,000 or whatever. We computed that the 70 Series would cost if it came here.

[Filippo]

Here's what happens when you are actually in the market for a new car. You're like okay, this is what I want. Oh, but then every once in a while I have to take my, my mother in law to the airport and she'll be really annoyed by the noise of this car. She'll be really annoyed by.

[Doug DeMuro]

Right, whatever.

[Filippo]

Oh, let me get 400 right.

[Doug DeMuro]

When you're 23 and you're only, the only thing you're looking for in a car is that it can off road in the north Georgia mountains. Yeah, you want a 70 series, that's what you think you want. But the days when you actually are an Adult spending 60,000 United States dollars on an automobile, it's a very, by the time you get to that point in your adulthood, it's a very different conversation. And so a lot of the stuff that enthusiasts plead for I think virtually always wouldn't sell. I've worked at automakers, I've worked at car dealers and I see what actually, I've seen what actually sells and it's not what the enthusiasts claim that they. Oh well, I'll buy one new.

[Filippo]

I'll give a counter.

[Doug DeMuro]

No you don't.

[Filippo]

I'll give a counterpoint. Dudes just have long wanted manual transmissions in more cars. There is plenty of evidence that when automakers offer it and dealers stock it because in the US it's a very dealer centric model, they, they sell the, the take rate on manual WRXs, the take rate on manual Minis, the take rate on manual other cars that are offered. That is quite High. So there is a market for things that enthusiasts want.

[Doug DeMuro]

I think that a transmission is different from an entire vehicle at a certain price.

[Filippo]

And also I do want a brown manual diesel.

[Doug DeMuro]

I think that colors, colors are actually a good example of this. Enthusiasts say they want weird colors. Most people don't buy them. Some do. It's not that hard to make colors in stock. A couple of them. And so I think it is reasonable to listen to enthusiasts there. Transmission I think is also true on certain vehicles.

[Filippo]

Certain vehicles.

[Doug DeMuro]

Federalizing a 70 Series Land Cruiser or a Suzuki Jimny or a whatever to try to sell it to the nine people who claim they would buy one but really will only buy one when it's used in 18 years. That's not a winning proposition no matter how much those people say that it is. On that subject, our next question. Don't look at the question.

[Filippo]

I'm gonna close my computer every week. I like knowing.

[Doug DeMuro]

Next question from Indecan. This is a great one. If Lamborghini were to develop a modernized reinterpretation of the LM002, pull that up. How successful do you think it could be in today's market? I have to be honest, honest with you. When Lamborghini came out with the Urus, which was in 2018, 2017, 18, I thought they were making a big mistake by not coming out with an off roader. Because I was looking at the market at the time and what I saw was the Most successful expensive SUVs were the G Wagon, the Raptor and other similar like off roady kind of things were selling well. The four Runner TRD pros were at huge money at that time. Land Cruisers had sold out, you know, as the market was coming to an end. And I thought why doesn't Lamborghini, they already own the fastest sports cars. Why don't they own the most capable trucks? But they didn't do that. And the Urus was a big success, has been a big success. Much more than I expected it would be. Especially considering I don't think it's the most attractive car. However, I do think that if they came out with a G Wagon type rival a truck off road performance, that would also be successful, I suspect. Agreed. I think if you sold that car up against G Wagon, up against those vehicles, it would be. You look at the market for those cars and it's pretty hot.

[Kenneth]

So yet another manufacturer that should be building a G Wagon that isn't currently probably.

[Doug DeMuro]

I don't think they were wrong to build the Urus. But I do question why there isn't an Urus Dorado or even another product that is completely separate. That is a specific off road type vehicle that would allow people in Orange county who are rich but want to seem like they can have capability to have that. I mean look at the Range Rover. Right. It's another example of that. Incredible capabilities. No one has ever used it. But they want that appearance.

[Filippo]

Yep. 100 agreed.

[Doug DeMuro]

Why don't they do that?

[Filippo]

I don't think they know how. Like when was the last time they first of all too maybe not the best vehicle period.

[Doug DeMuro]

They know how they go to the G Wagon and they just do what that. What that does.

[Filippo]

None of the engineers have ever engineered an off road suspension.

[Doug DeMuro]

It's all.

[Kenneth]

It's because. Yeah. I think it's. I think it's because Volkswagen themselves don't do it.

[Doug DeMuro]

There would be. There would not be a really great, great economies of scale in the Volkswagen product portfolio. There is no other brand Porsche could probably get away with it. A G Wagon competitor that was off roady. Porsche's got some off road race history and all that. Other than that. I mean Audi can't sell a car.

[Kenneth]

Yeah. With the 959.

[Doug DeMuro]

Well and Cayennes there have been successful off roader Cayenne type stuff. Don't forget the Trans Siberia rally.

[Kenneth]

Yeah, Trans Siberia.

[Doug DeMuro]

Which they won.

[Kenneth]

Trans Siberia. That's true. I would love that. And again as far as taking as close to the G wagon as any manufacturer could. I mean because again I could see Lamborghini building something very square, very macho, very like very G wagonish and it would make perfect sense.

[Doug DeMuro]

It would. They would get away with it and I think they would sell it. I really legit think they could if Lambo made a G wagon but for 350 people would buy it.

[Kenneth]

Absolutely.

[Doug DeMuro]

People would go crazy buying that. And I really legit think they should.

[Kenneth]

Lamborghini listen to us build a G Wagon.

[Filippo]

It doesn't even need to be good off road.

[Doug DeMuro]

No, it doesn't throw it out.

[Kenneth]

It needs to look like it would.

[Doug DeMuro]

Be just look like it's capable enough. No one's ever going to take.

[Kenneth]

Let's be honest. That's how Lamborghinis have always been. The Countach looks like performance but it's just. Okay, you.

[Doug DeMuro]

You know what? On the subject of that, our next question from SJS 2003 rank every V12 Lamborghini flagship supercar. Ah. Rank.

[Kenneth]

Wait, so you're just saying just the V12 line.

[Doug DeMuro]

They're not many. This should be easy. Miura Countach, Diablo, Mercy Aventador. What's the new one called?

[Kenneth]

Haven't we done this?

[Doug DeMuro]

What is the new one called?

[Kenneth]

Revuelto Think.

[Filippo]

Wow.

[Doug DeMuro]

We have done it amongst ourselves, but now we're going to do it on cam.

[Kenneth]

All right, I will take notes at the very bottom.

[Doug DeMuro]

What. What do you put at the very bottom? It's harder than you think.

[Kenneth]

No.

[Doug DeMuro]

You think of Entor.

[Filippo]

No. Yes.

[Doug DeMuro]

It's not Revuelta. I totally.

[Filippo]

This is canon. New things.

[Doug DeMuro]

New things. This is. This is a tough part of Ken that we don't.

[Kenneth]

Well, no, instead, enthusiasts hate new things.

[Doug DeMuro]

The Revuelto is a tremendously exciting.

[Kenneth]

Yeah, but it's a tip. Battery power.

[Doug DeMuro]

But, but, but my argument against that would be the Aventador was also an auto tip car. It was a worse tip. It was a slower car. They made 10 billion of them. Like, why. Why is the. Why is the Revuelto working?

[Kenneth]

It doesn't have a hybrid. It's not cheating.

[Doug DeMuro]

It's a thousand horsepower.

[Kenneth]

It's an nav 12. Yeah, but dude, by itself with no batteries, it's like. It's like Ferrari are argument. I would rather have. I'd rather have the SP3 Daytona because it has no hybrid assist.

[Doug DeMuro]

The Revuelto's V12 on its own has 814 horsepower before you get to the hybrid stuff. But then it.814 naturally aspirated six and a half liter V12 horsepower.

[Kenneth]

Okay, but then it cheats.

[Doug DeMuro]

How does it cheat stuff? You still got an 814 horsepower take.

[Kenneth]

Off the hybrid stuff because you can do that.

[Doug DeMuro]

They're gonna eventually. You're missing my.

[Kenneth]

Oh, they're gonna. Eventually. They're gonna go back to the event.

[Doug DeMuro]

So. So they added on the hybrid stuff to give it even more power. Even without it, I'm putting it last. I. I don't understand. Your argument though, is that it doesn't have an Nav 12, which it does.

[Kenneth]

No, I said non hybrid. Na. Non Hybrid V12, which is what I like.

[Doug DeMuro]

That's like tacking on extra.

[Kenneth]

No, that's not. It's the S90 versus the LA Ferrari. Which would you rather have?

[Doug DeMuro]

And why is neither an option or.

[Kenneth]

Not the SF, the FP3 daytime.

[Filippo]

You're.

[Doug DeMuro]

Because it looks better.

[Kenneth]

It's not rare yet.

[Doug DeMuro]

You don't think the Revuelto looks better than the Aventador? I totally disagree.

[Kenneth]

Well, I think you're very wrong.

[Filippo]

You're saying Aventador last. You're saying Revolt last.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yes.

[Kenneth]

The next one after that is going to be Aventador next. Enough. That would be Revuelto for you.

[Doug DeMuro]

Okay, so. Yes, so. So my last is Aventador. My second to last is Revuelto. Is Revuelto.

[Filippo]

I agree.

[Kenneth]

Now it gets hard, it gets a.

[Doug DeMuro]

Little hard, but not that hard because next, next to last is Diablo.

[Kenneth]

Dia. Yeah, unfortunately.

[Doug DeMuro]

Listen, I love the Diablo.

[Filippo]

You've convinced one of your friends to get rid of his Mercielago to get a Diablo.

[Doug DeMuro]

But. But yes, but he's got the worst Murcielago. Right? It's a tip. It's a tip. Convertible. I love that car. And by the way, he's had several great years with it. And the worst, Mercy is still one of the great, great sports cars ever.

[Kenneth]

Yeah, yeah. The Diablo.

[Doug DeMuro]

The Diablo.

[Kenneth]

Well, the Diablo. May I?

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah.

[Kenneth]

The Diablo is a transitionary car between the Icon that was the Countach and the.

[Doug DeMuro]

The quality all.

[Kenneth]

And so. And you have this weird transition of. It started out as rear wheel drive, which are my favorite cars. Then you had the sv, then it became all wheel drive and then it got bigger and like. And Audi tried to refine it.

[Doug DeMuro]

There are versions of the Diablo that I would actually put really high on this list. SV, the SV, the SE30 and the 6O I would put much higher. But taken as a whole, the early Diablos were not well built. The all wheel drive Diablos are nice.

[Kenneth]

Cars, but they're not.

[Doug DeMuro]

They're not. I don't see why the Diabolical in any way is better than the Countach, to be perfectly honest. It's not more exciting. It's faster, but both cars are slow. It certainly doesn't look as iconic and it's probably not even better built since Lamborghini went through three different owners during the Diablo's production run.

[Kenneth]

Right. Like it's a little better built, but only by chance. But I agree, as much as I also love it, that was the Lamborghini kind of my childhood at like. I agree.

[Doug DeMuro]

If I could put a SE30 might be my number one overall car on this list. But taken as a whole, the Diablo is our next worst.

[Kenneth]

Yes, yes. In aggregate. I agree.

[Doug DeMuro]

Then Mercy.

[Kenneth]

So the question is, then Mercy, is it which is better, Countach or Miura? And I know what I would argue.

[Doug DeMuro]

Countach, no question.

[Kenneth]

Yep.

[Filippo]

Brilliant. Kenan.

[Kenneth]

Because the. The Miura is again is gorgeous and it is. And it was revolutionary in its time. But it is a tremendously flawed vehicle because the gearbox and the engine share.

[Doug DeMuro]

The same oily cars and every driven one has rectified.

[Kenneth]

They are all fire problems, 100% fire rate risk they're just, they're just. And they're also just like the Lamborghini. Countach defined what fast cars looked like for a generation. Not just Lamborghinis. And still to this day, it does define what Lamborghinis looked like.

[Doug DeMuro]

And Gandini regretted the design of the Miura. And I think that's one of, of the most interesting aspects of the whole thing. Gandini designed the Miura to look like a front engine car because that's all that existed at the time. And even though the engineering was revolutionary with this mid engine trans. I mean it was a very special thing, the front engine design of the car. It's a beautiful car, but it didn't set the standard like the Countach did with the wedge shape. Exotic. When you think of a supercar, you think of either a Countach or a car that the Countach inspired. Inspired. Period. Without question.

[Kenneth]

Yeah.

[Doug DeMuro]

And so I think the Countach is. And also the Countach is simply a better car to use. I've driven a Miura. It is quite compromised. And maybe it's just me, but when I was driving the Miura, I was worried about fire the entire time.

[Kenneth]

Didn't you? What was it you were looking at?

[Doug DeMuro]

I was filming the Miura. I'll never forget this. I was filming the Miura. I found the only quiet place where no one would bother me in the entire San Francisco Bay area to film the Miura. And I was filming the Mira. And I had like five hours alone with this very special. And I looked at, I was, I was outside the car shooting the headlights and I looked inside and it was on fire. And I was like, oh my God. And I was just as Derek Tam Scott's mirror. Okay. And I was like, oh my God. And so I, I absolutely lose it. And I'm like, it's on fire. Oh my God. This is it. This is it. The mirror is going to burn down. And I, and I, as fast as I can, like throw down my equipment, run around inside the car and I. It was the dome light reflecting off the back glass. But that's the level of fear that.

[Kenneth]

You.

[Doug DeMuro]

That'S what you. When you have when you're in a Miura.

[Kenneth]

And I mean, you and I have both witnessed them catch on fire before, like in person at the same event.

[Doug DeMuro]

True, I forgot about that. So, like, I only have slight Mira experience and fire was involved.

[Filippo]

How much is a mirror?

[Doug DeMuro]

Mirrors are like 3 million. Now keep in mind also there's only a thousand mirrors. There's 2,000 Kutaches. There's 3,000 yellows, 4,000 mercies, so that the rarer it got. Rarest, less rare, et cetera. That's another special thing about the Countach. It's half as common as a mercy. It's much rarer than a Diablo.

[Filippo]

Right.

[Kenneth]

And yeah, so I think we're. So other than the more the most recent Lamborghinis, we're in perfect agreement on the rest.

[Doug DeMuro]

And by the way, hat tip to Joe Psaki, I would choose a downdraft and brag to me, I'd brag to the one person in my life who knows.

[Kenneth]

I know. But unfortunately you got just a side draft and so, you know, we'll take it.

[Doug DeMuro]

Okay, three more questions. We'll do them very short. First question from R63s, not addressed to any of us, but it just says you're pushing 40 and you're a multimillionaire now. Are you thinking of retiring and then you're future? I imagine this one's for you.

[Filippo]

Yeah.

[Doug DeMuro]

Filippo, your thoughts? No, I'm never going to retire. This is the greatest job, the only job I've ever had, and the greatest job I've ever had. And I'm not one of those retire early people. I truly love doing this. There are things about it that are a little annoying, but like, not many, and I think a lot of people, it's their sole goal in life to retire as quickly as possible. And when you have a job that you truly love, you don't work a day in your life. But I do actually legit feel like that. Like a lot of people go to bed on Sunday night, like anxious and dreading the work week. And I am. That is not my situation at all. I go to bed on Sunday night, like excited to shoot Monday morning and to see my friends here at the office. And it is retiring is not on my mind. Two more questions from X Ray 48. Doug, we know how you feel about press launches. If you were in charge at a manufacturer, what would be your method of unveiling a new model and letting the press reviewer test it? A press launch because it's incredibly effective. Effective. You gotta understand the journalists. With the exception of a few of us, the journalists do not make a lot of money and do not really ever get luxury experiences or treated specially, right? They go back home to suburban Chicago and they're just a normal guy. But on a press launch, they're flown out first class by jeep to review the Wagoneer s at the finest hotel in north Idaho. And when they walk in after Having been driven in a Grand Wagoneer limo from the airport, the person at the hotel says, oh, hello, Mr. Stevenson. We've been waiting for you. I don't know what their names are. I don't want to say anybody specifically, but this is true of every journalist I've ever known. And then they go up to their nice hotel, and then they're whisked down to a fine dinner, and the PR people are the. Are their best friends. Oh. Oh, it's Jim. Oh, hey, Jim. Nice to see you. The PR people don't give a about you. But this experience is so powerful for the journalists. They feel so special. And so when they go home and they remember that the Wagoneer S was a bad car that is radically overpriced, they think to themselves, that is all true. But I felt so good when I was there. And so they write a puff piece. And that is exactly how I would reveal cars if I worked for the automaker.

[Filippo]

It's a good strategy.

[Doug DeMuro]

There's a reason it works.

[Filippo]

Yep.

[Doug DeMuro]

Am I wrong?

[Filippo]

Nope, not at all. And also, you're guaranteed guaranteeing coverage. You are literally paying to make sure that people are going to write about it.

[Doug DeMuro]

It's probably cheaper than any form of advertising you could do. You know, people see an advertisement and they're either skeptical or not paying attention. But paying to fly Jim first class from Chicago to Seattle to do this press event. What does that cost per journalist? 12 grand. It's nothing when you compare it to. And then he writes an article in the Tribune or on carandriver.com or. I'm not scapegoating any journalist publication. They're all this bad. But that's better than any advert that shows up in SEO. Better than any advertising you could possibly do.

[Filippo]

Yep.

[Doug DeMuro]

Last question. This comes from 09 Camry XLE. Doug, in your recent Navigator video, you said that it feels more luxurious because they moved almost all the controls to the screen. That's not entirely what I said, but we'll move on. It feels luxurious because it has a massive screen that does everything. Do you actually believe that removing buttons is more luxurious, or do you say that because it's what you think potential buyers want. Want to hear? I say that because it's what I think potential buyers want to hear because ultimately, those are the people buying the car. You know, I reviewed that car and I looked at all the comments, and every comment was like, the screens suck. I never want to get rid of my screens. I'm like, I never want to get rid of my Buttons. I hate everything about screens. These people are so stupid. And none of those people are navigator buyers. Time and time again, what luxury car buyers have told us is they want screens. They're used to using their phones, they're used to using their iPad. They use their TV with a joystick remote. Screens make sense to them. It's what they understand. And all these people who are like I want these things and buttons have never been in a modern car to understand the level of equipment that modern cars have could never be put in buttons. You would have a 747 control panel with stuff everywhere around you. Screens are what these buyers want. So the reason that I say that. Do you think that's what buyers want to hear? Yeah. That's who I'm reviewing the car for. I'm reviewing the car. Not so that YouTube commenters can all talk amongst themselves and with me about how much we wish they still had buttons. I'm reviewing it for people who are actually trying to buy the car. And those people want screens. No matter how much YouTube commenters who are driving a Ford Crown Victoria with mismatched wheels want to claim that screens are the death of the world. World. The, the world is going towards screens.

[Filippo]

Fundamentally, people have taken to understand screens equals features equals luxury.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah.

[Filippo]

And that is the perception and it's.

[Doug DeMuro]

Generally true because the screens, the automakers can put in more and more and more equipment fairly inexpensively. With that said, I want to be clear. I think there are great car. I mean all my. None of my cars have screens in them like my daily, my, my sports cars. I wouldn't quite over there when I get a sports car, I don't even consider, consider one with a screen in it. It's never even on my mind but that there's a place for that stuff and there's a place for not that stuff in a navigator review. A navigator is not a place for millions of buttons. You don't want. These are not people who care that buttons have been replaced by screens. They understand screens. They want to use screens. And I think it's so laughable, it's so intellectually dishonest in the comments of this video. And people say screens are the worst, buttons are the best. You're not the button buyer. You don't even understand the buyer. And I understand the buyer a little bit more. And you know who understands the buyer best? Lincoln. The multi billion dollar car company that has invested hundreds of millions of dollars into research and development for the car.

[Filippo]

I mean sometimes some, some brands have gotten it Wrong.

[Doug DeMuro]

The BMW xm.

[Filippo]

Yeah, I agree with you. I, I, people want screens because that's high tech and that feels fancy right now.

[Doug DeMuro]

And, and, and, and they understand them and honestly also they want all these features. What I think a lot of these people don't understand. They don't, they're like, I don't need any of that stuff. Well, the buyers of a $125,000 SUV who are comparing it against nine other very similar SUVs at that price point, they want all that stuff. There's not like a thing like oh I wish this didn't have anything and just had buttons. There's none of that. These people aren't looking for the, the, the slate truck.

[Filippo]

Also the screens are cool.

[Doug DeMuro]

The li is pretty cool.

[Filippo]

They really are.

[Kenneth]

I have to give it to you, they are pretty cool.

[Doug DeMuro]

They work well like that giant screen.

[Filippo]

You can't put carplay where you want it in my, my mind but I disagree.

[Doug DeMuro]

I think CarPlay being here and then the one in front of you gives you the weather man.

[Filippo]

But you can't have, it's hard to.

[Kenneth]

Look at it and go oh yeah, it is sunny.

[Doug DeMuro]

It doesn't just give you the current weather, it gives you the weather for the next three hours. So take that.

[Kenneth]

Damn.

[Filippo]

Do you see clouds? Doesn't matter.

[Kenneth]

Do you see clouds? They're going to be gone soon.

[Doug DeMuro]

No. Legitimately though I, I, this really always grinds my gears because so many car enthusiasts think they know what the people want and have no concept of what people want in certain segments.

[Kenneth]

What they know is what want and think that everybody also wants that when the real the reality of it is it's just not the case. And I am very guilty myself.

[Doug DeMuro]

Not always perfectly fine to be all buttons and notes.

[Kenneth]

It does and the integration of it actually makes a lot of sense when you look at it modern context. They knew what they were doing.

[Filippo]

I will say I can understand some of the sentiment. Like if you've helped your parents or your in laws or whatever try to use the modern technology, you hear that their complaints but that they still wanted that when they bought the car.

[Doug DeMuro]

The problem though, the problem with that.

[Filippo]

Argument, plane and actually purchase.

[Doug DeMuro]

I agree with that. That's true. They still want those features. So what do you do?

[Filippo]

Right.

[Doug DeMuro]

The other problem with that argument is, and I think something that's getting lost on people who make that argument is the people who are buying these cars, the navigators, they're not 85 anymore and by the way current 85 year olds worked on Computers when they were in offices. But also a lot of people buying navigators. My guess is the average buy range is somewhere in the 40 to 60 range. 50 late middle 50s. Those people are very used to use iPhone. Came out 20 years ago. Those people were in their 30s. They're not, they're not Luddites. They know how to use this stuff. They're not sitting there being like, how do I. And and there is some confusion to it and it, there's a learning curve to it, but if you want that level of equipment. Yeah, that's going to happen.

[Filippo]

Yep.

[Kenneth]

And thank you for getting off of your soapbox.

[Doug DeMuro]

I'm not wrong. No. And by the way, for this reason, Kenan will never have any of these cars.

[Kenneth]

Well, that's not the only reason. But there, I mean, I'll have something, I don't know, maybe something modern and.

[Doug DeMuro]

I'm feel, I feel it. If you don't want it, you don't have to do it.

[Filippo]

Here's navigation in his car.

[Kenneth]

I, I which I never use.

[Doug DeMuro]

That's true Toy navigation system. Remember the Lincoln Blackwood navigation that only had two buttons.

[Kenneth]

The best. Well, it's the same. It was the same system.

[Doug DeMuro]

Oh yeah, that's right.

[Kenneth]

It was the Mark II navigation system that was in the 2000 M5.

[Filippo]

This is upgraded to Mark IV.

[Kenneth]

Yes. The nav computer. That is. You think Mark III is what came in?

[Doug DeMuro]

I don't joke. I want to upgrade to a Mark four. You know what I'm saying?

[Kenneth]

Knows this stuff joke. But yeah, I'll. Oh, I get it. Yeah.

[Filippo]

That's the more correct and that is the right, my man.

[Kenneth]

Some of us in a Mark 4 world.

[Doug DeMuro]

Okay, this is the end. Filippo, do you have any final words? Any African animals you want to talk about?

[Filippo]

No, but you should check out cards and bids, including the pre1981 cars that we have live right now.

[Doug DeMuro]

Pre1981. The old stuff cars and bids goes.

[Kenneth]

Vintage cars and everything. Best podcast we've ever done.

[Doug DeMuro]

Best podcast we've ever done in our lives.

[Filippo]

Proper celebration of YouTube turning 20.

[Doug DeMuro]

YouTube is 20 now.

[Kenneth]

Wow. First video filmed right here at the San Diego Zoo.

[Doug DeMuro]

That's right. I'm saying all these, they were in collection. I didn't mention elephants. Oh my God. Next week. Goodbye, everyone.