The Hunt Begins

Summary

This Doesn't Happen to People Like Me: Episode Summary – "The Hunt Begins"

Introduction

In the gripping premiere episode of This Doesn't Happen to People Like Me, hosted by Mike Boudet and produced by Michael Stabile of Sword and Scale, listeners are introduced to the harrowing true crime story of Tina Lohman. At 77 years old, Tina's life takes a devastating turn on the night of November 9, 2021, when she becomes the victim of a brutal crime that not only shatters her family but also leaves an entire town in shock.

The Night of the Attack

The episode delves into the events leading up to Tina's attack, painting a vivid picture of the circumstances that unfolded on that fateful night.

• Tina's Encounter:

  • Tina was stranded on the side of the road in Quincy, Illinois, when two criminals approached her. According to Tina, she was “crying that she'd been raped. Bleeding from her body” (00:18).

• David Joseph’s Account:

  • David Joseph, a gas station attendant in Hannibal, Missouri, plays a crucial role in the investigation. On the evening of the attack, David observed suspicious activity at the Phillips 66 gas station where he worked.
  • Detective interrogations reveal that two individuals arrived in a white Toyota Avalon and entered the gas station (00:35). David noticed one of the individuals carrying a “Ziploc bag of money” (04:21), which raised his concerns.

Family’s Reaction

As the horrifying events unfolded, Tina's family in Quincy received distressing news that would forever change their lives.

• Ilse Terrell's Experience:

  • Ilse, Tina’s daughter, recounts receiving an alarming phone call from her mother’s husband, explaining that Tina had been raped (05:19). The sight of sheriff trucks and crime tape at Tina’s home obliterated any remaining disbelief (08:01).

• Carly’s Shock:

  • Tina's granddaughter, Carly, describes her initial disbelief upon hearing about the attack, followed by overwhelming emotion as the reality set in (05:52). She shares, “My reaction was, at first, shock and almost. Are you sure? Are you confused?” (06:55).

The Assault

The podcast provides a chilling account of the assault Tina endured, highlighting her resilience and quick thinking under extreme duress.

• Description of Attackers:

  • Tina vividly describes her attackers, referring to the male perpetrator as looking “like a small leprechaun” with “red hair and this scraggly beard” (22:37). She characterizes his intelligence as lacking, likening him to a “country bumpkin leprechaun”.
  • The female accomplice is described as a “heavier set black girl” who appeared to be under the influence, exhibiting “hot and cold” behavior (23:18).

• The Assault Details:

  • The attackers forcefully enter Tina’s home, using a railroad spike-turned-knife to threaten her life (12:19). Tina describes how they forced her into sexual acts, threatening to kill her if she didn't comply (14:00).
  • In an attempt to obscure evidence, the male attacker sprays Tina with carpet cleaner both internally and externally before committing acts of sexual violence (14:30).

Tina’s Courageous Plan

Faced with imminent danger, Tina devises a plan to survive by manipulating her attackers.

• The Safe Strategy:
  • Tina informs her captors about a safe in her basement, providing them with an incorrect combination since only her husband knew the actual code (18:21). This deception leads the attackers to believe that the safe is wired to the police, causing them to panic and flee (19:30), ultimately saving Tina's life.

Investigation and Capture of the Perpetrators

The episode highlights the swift and meticulous work of law enforcement in bringing Tina’s attackers to justice.

• David Joseph’s Surveillance Footage:
  • David’s observations and the gas station’s video surveillance play a pivotal role. He identifies the attackers’ vehicle and their actions on the night of the crime (03:00).
  • Tina’s detailed descriptions enable detectives to create accurate profiles of the suspects, leading to their quick identification and arrest by U.S. Marshals in Springfield, Missouri, the following day (24:12).

Aftermath and Pursuit of Justice

While the perpetrators are apprehended swiftly, the episode reveals the challenges Tina and her family face within the justice system.

• Hospitalization and Interrogations:

  • Tina is taken to the hospital for a sexual assault examination and undergoes intense questioning by detectives (08:44). Family members, including Carly, witness the emotional toll the ordeal takes on Tina and her loved ones (22:00).

• Legal Hurdles:

  • Despite the clear evidence and identification of the criminals, the episode hints at impending obstacles in the prosecution’s case, suggesting systemic failures that threaten to derail justice for Tina Lohman (17:52).

Emotional Toll on the Family

The personal accounts from Ilse and Carly underscore the profound emotional impact of the assault on Tina’s family.

• Ilse’s Struggle:

  • Ilse expresses the shock and sorrow of witnessing her mother’s suffering, recalling Tina’s feelings of helplessness and fear (07:38).

• Carly’s Perspective:

  • Carly reflects on the disbelief and subsequent emotional turmoil she experienced, emphasizing Tina’s strength and intelligence in surviving the attack (15:23).

Conclusion

As the first episode concludes, This Doesn't Happen to People Like Me leaves listeners on a cliffhanger, revealing that despite the attackers' apprehension, the path to justice for Tina and her family is fraught with challenges. The episode sets the stage for an in-depth exploration of the systemic issues and personal resilience that define Tina Lohman’s pursuit of justice in the episodes to come.

Notable Quotes

• Mike Boudet:

  • “This doesn't happen to people like us, right?” (06:31)
  • “That’s not who we are. That’s not what Quincy is. That’s not what Adams County is.” (17:12)

• Carly:

  • “She was so smart. I just... I commend her on this next part because I would have never thought to say this.” (18:21)
  • “That kind of got them in a panic to where they were now, in a hurry to get out of there because they thought that the cops were on their way.” (20:17)

• David Joseph:

  • “What happened to her that night was something that doesn't happen in Adams County.” (17:12)
  • “He forced her into the passenger seat as they were driving.” (27:14)

Looking Forward

The episode promises that the ensuing story will delve deeper into the legal battles and societal implications surrounding Tina Lohman’s case, emphasizing that the fight for justice is far from over.

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Note: Timestamps in brackets (e.g., 00:18) correspond to the points within the transcript where the quotes are taken. They serve as references for the location of each quote within the episode.

Transcript

[Mike Boudet]

Last time on this Doesn't Happen to People Like Me.

[Detective]

When you went into the residence further, did you observe an individual inside of that residence?

[Mike Boudet]

Yes.

[Detective]

Tina's husband, Tim Schmidt, arrived home. He found Tina on the floor, crying and bleeding. Crying that she'd been raped. Bleeding from her body. Tim, her husband had a gun. Because Tina was so terrified the defendant and his accomplice were going to come back.

[David Joseph]

She appeared to be emotional to you. Yes, she did. Did she tell you that she was worried they were going to come back? Yes, she did.

[Mike Boudet]

Welcome to this Doesn't Happen to People Like Me, a new serialized true crime podcast by the makers of Sword and Scale. We hope you enjoy it, and if you do, please tell a friend and leave us a review and a rating on Apple Podcasts and Spotify. You can find out [e-mail] I'm your host, Mike Boudet. This series was written and produced by Michael Stabile. About 20 miles south of Quincy, Illinois, and just over the state's border into Missouri, there's another city. That city is named Hannibal. On the night of November 9, 2021, a young man named David Joseph began a work shift in Hannibal at a Phillips 66 gas station. David was the gas station attendant, which meant that he had to run the cash register and oversee the comings and goings of a small convenience store.

[Detective]

Can you tell us your name, please?

[David Joseph]

David Joseph.

[Detective]

Mr. Joseph, you live in Hannibal, Missouri, is that correct?

[David Joseph]

Correct.

[Detective]

On November 9, 2021, where were you working?

[David Joseph]

At Phillips 6 gas station.

[Detective]

On that particular evening, did two individuals show up to the gas station?

[David Joseph]

Yes.

[Mike Boudet]

As a night shift gas station attendant, David had seen all kinds of shady people come and go from his convenience store. But on this night, two individuals stood out.

[Detective]

Specifically, those individuals showed up in a white Toyota Avalon. Is that correct?

[David Joseph]

Correct.

[Detective]

Also, on that particular evening, was there video surveillance at the gas station?

[David Joseph]

Yes.

[Detective]

And, Mr. Joseph, we see a white car that just pulled up to the pumps. That the white car we were talking about?

[David Joseph]

Yes.

[Detective]

Mr. Joseph, as we were watching that, we were seeing individuals get out of that car and go inside the gas station. Is that correct?

[Mike Boudet]

Yes.

[Detective]

As we discussed, there's also a camera that catches that front door.

[David Joseph]

Correct.

[Mike Boudet]

Like most gas stations, the Phillips 66 had several surveillance cameras. These cameras captured two individuals as they parked at the gas pump, got gas, and made some purchases inside the convenience store.

[Detective]

Mr. Joseph, you indicated there's also a camera that captures these video machines over here, Is that right?

[Ilsa Terrell]

Right.

[Detective]

That we're seeing on the screen. And we see an individual here that's wearing a black hoodie and gray pants.

[David Joseph]

Right.

[Detective]

Tell us who that is.

[David Joseph]

That's me.

[Detective]

And part of your job, right, is just to kind of walk around and check on people.

[David Joseph]

Right? Right.

[Detective]

And we see that you're going over here to this individual that's got something.

[Mike Boudet]

Strapped over his shoulder.

[Detective]

Was that the same individual, male individual, that we just saw coming in and out of those front doors?

[David Joseph]

Yes, ma'am.

[Detective]

And was that the same male individual that you saw coming in and out of that white car?

[David Joseph]

Correct.

[Mike Boudet]

Stationed in the back area of the convenience store were some gambling machines, because, well, why not? While your car fills up with gas, you can grab a slushie and throw away some money on a few hands of video poker.

[Detective]

When you went over to that individual, did you have any conversation with him?

[David Joseph]

Briefly.

[Detective]

Was that because of something you saw?

[David Joseph]

Yeah, it was a Ziploc bag of money.

[Detective]

And did that concern you? Seen a Ziploc bag of money?

[David Joseph]

Yeah, it was a lot of money.

[Detective]

In fact, were you worried about the man, that something could happen to him?

[Mike Boudet]

Yeah.

[David Joseph]

Like, if he was in, like, where I grew up at, like, hey, you could have a problem if somebody saw you with that, you know?

[Detective]

And was that a Ziploc bag of money that he had out of that purse?

[David Joseph]

Yes.

[Detective]

Mr. Joseph, that mail that you can see that we were just talking about, that you talked to over at that video machine with the big wad of cash in the bag, describe him for you. It's kind of hard to see how he looked. Can you describe him for the jury?

[David Joseph]

I know he had the hat on. He had a red. Red beard.

[Detective]

Was he white or black?

[David Joseph]

He's a white guy.

[Mike Boudet]

David spoke to the man with the red beard and warned him about carrying around a large Ziploc bag full of cash. Meanwhile, back in Quincy, Illinois, Tina Loman's daughter, Ilsa, was receiving a very troubling phone call from her mother's husband.

[Ilsa Terrell]

I was at my hair salon. Someone had canceled their appointment, and my daughter had called me and asked if I would stop at Wendy's and get her a chicken sandwich. I drove to her house, and while I was in her house, I had just given her the sandwich down, said hello to my grandchildren. And then my mother's husband called me and told me to get to the house, that my mom was crying for me and that she wanted me to get to the house as soon as possible. And I said, why is she crying? And he said, you mother's been raped. And I just ran out of my.

[Mike Boudet]

Daughter'S house, the news of what happened to Tina began reaching her children and grandchildren. This included Tina's granddaughter, Carly.

[Carly]

When I first heard of the attack, my mom called me Heidi Young. I was actually just at home. We were getting my son ready for bed, and she called me really hysterical. I couldn't really understand what she was saying, but so I kind of told her. I was like, I need you to calm down and kind of walk me through what you're saying. And she just said that my grandmother had been raped at her house and that she was going to take her to the hospital.

[Mike Boudet]

For most people, it's hard to imagine what your reaction would be when hearing news like this. For Carly, her reaction was mostly disbelief, which made sense, learning that your mother or grandmother has been violently attacked and raped. It's the kind of thing that just doesn't happen to people like us, right?

[Carly]

My reaction was, at first, shock and almost. Are you sure? Are you confused? Because this doesn't sound real, and I don't understand how this could even happen, because at that point, you know, I didn't know the full story. So I basically said, well, take her to the hospital and just call me and, like, keep me updated, like, what's going on? And then my mom got off the phone, and then my aunt was texting me. My aunt is Ilsa Terrell.

[Mike Boudet]

While Carly was trying to make sense of things, Tina's daughter Ilsa drove to her mom's home. During this drive, she called Tina's husband to get more information.

[Ilsa Terrell]

I called my mom's husband again to ask him what happened, because I had immediately gone into shock, and I don't think I heard him right. And he said that my mother had been raped. I don't really remember driving to their house. It's quite a ways from there. And then when I pulled up to her driveway, there was sheriff trucks all over the place and crime tape around the house.

[Mike Boudet]

For Ilse, when she saw her mom's house surrounded by police tape, any disbelief she might have had was gone. For Carly, the same thing happened when she learned that Ilse, her mom, and a whole lot of cops were at Tina's house.

[Carly]

That's kind of when it hit me. It was like, oh, my gosh, they're both there with her. There's police involved. There's a crime scene. And I just started crying, and I didn't sleep.

[Mike Boudet]

That night, after the police and Tina's two daughters arrived at the home, Tina was taken to the hospital. While she was there, an invasive Sexual assault examination was performed.

[Ilsa Terrell]

Only one person could go in with her. So I had to stand outside. All I was wondering what was going on. It was just we were looking for the car because he had stolen her car. We were calling people. As far as injuries, I hadn't known until I got into the hospital room later. And I didn't know fully of all of her injuries as she was embarrassed and in pain and in shock herself.

[Carly]

And I didn't know the full story either. I don't think any of us did at that point. So we were all mainly just waiting for answers.

[Mike Boudet]

For Tina's family, the priority was making sure that Tina was okay. The details of exactly what happened to her could come later. And indeed those details did come later. As time went on, the family learned that 77 year old Tina had suffered and survived one of the most violent, horrific and brutal assaults imaginable. On the night of November 9, 2021, a man and a woman carjacked, robbed and kidnapped 77 year old Tina Loman while she was parked on the side of the road. After taking control of her car, the man drove Tina to an isolated area and forced her to perform oral sex on him. Tina was convinced the man and his accomplice were going to kill her. So she convinced them to take her to her house where she could give them more money and jewelry.

[Detective]

They took her to a remote place and she knew that they were probably going to kill her there. But she told them I had more money in my house and that's probably what saved her.

[Ilsa Terrell]

She said she couldn't handle it if they had killed her. And we had to one, go looking for her and two, find her dead body somewhere. And so that's why she wasn't. They were going to and she felt that they were going to kill her. She wanted to be at her home so we didn't have to look for her.

[Mike Boudet]

The man took Tina to her home and when they got there, the man began arguing with his female accomplice. Tina used this opportunity to attempt an escape. She ran into her house and locked the door behind her.

[David Joseph]

She tried to get away from him. She got out of the car and locked the garage door before he entered, just trying to lock him out.

[Detective]

Was he able to get back, get inside?

[David Joseph]

Yeah, she said he kicked the door in.

[Detective]

Did she also indicate that inside of the residence that she had been sexually assaulted or raped?

[Mike Boudet]

Yes.

[Detective]

Did she say how that had occurred?

[David Joseph]

Yes.

[Detective]

How did that occur according to what she told you?

[David Joseph]

Well, it started with threats. He had rummaged she said he had rummaged through the drawers and the cabinets in the house and found a knife and threatened her with a knife. She said he was upset about not getting more money at the house.

[Mike Boudet]

The man and his accomplice forced their way into Tina's home by kicking open the door. Once inside, they continued to rob and assault Tina.

[Carly]

She has a landline in her house, so she was trying to get to the phone, but unfortunately, they had broken down the door and grabbed her before she was able to call. At this point, the female starts taunting her, kicking her, beating her, threatening her, while the male continues to rob. Rob the robber.

[Mike Boudet]

The man and his accomplice searched the home for money and anything of value. As they did this, they found a unique souvenir. It was a railroad spike that had been forged into a very sharp knife.

[David Joseph]

She told him where the jewelry was. It was in a chest of drawers there in the bedroom. You mentioned that she shared with you that there was a male and a female in the house. Yes. Did she talk to you about the female and specifically that knife that we saw? Yeah, she talked about the female and how the female had threatened to kill her with that knife.

[Mike Boudet]

The female accomplice brandished the knife at Tina. She pressed it against Tina's throat and threatened to kill her if Tina didn't do exactly what they told her to do.

[Carly]

While they are robbing her in the kitchen, they find this railroad spike. They held it up to her and raped her. They threatened her and the mail raped her. She was elderly, so she had to wear an adult diaper. And he took that off and raped her.

[Detective]

Then the defendant bent Tina over a chair in her living room. He shoved his penis into her vagina. He shoved his penis into her mouth. He told her to act like she liked it.

[Mike Boudet]

Tina's life was threatened and she was violently raped in her home. But this brutal and horrific assault didn't stop there. Somehow things only got worse for Tina.

[Detective]

While the defendant was doing all of these things, robbing her, assaulting her, his accomplice, the woman that was with him, was holding a knife and threatening Tina's life. And then when the defendant was finished using Tina for his sick, his twisted purposes, he sprayed her mouth and body with carpet cleaner.

[Carly]

They took this can of carpet cleaner and they sprayed the inside of her mouth and in her genitals to try to hide evidence, DNA evidence. And then they took the carpet cleaner can and they sodomized her because she's a 77 year old woman. It's just. It's Just disgusting to me that two individuals could do that to someone in that state.

[Mike Boudet]

Two monsters brutalized a 77 year old grandmother. They beat her, they raped her, they sodomized her. They sprayed her body, her genitals and the inside of her mouth with carpet cleaner. This was a truly brutal and horrific assault.

[Carly]

At this point, my grandma is really thinking that they're going to kill her. Because at this point, not only have they robbed her and kidnapped her, they have now assaulted her in her head. She doesn't think that they're going to keep her alive.

[Mike Boudet]

Tina knew if she was going to survive this, she would have to do something to get these two monsters out of her house. So Tina came up with a plan. And it was a plan that actually worked. It was a plan that in all likelihood saved a life. On the night of November 9, 2021, two criminals broke into Tina Loman's home. 77 year old Tina was brutalized and tortured. She was robbed. Her life was threatened. She was beaten, raped and sodomized. In an effort to hide evidence, the male criminal sprayed carpet cleaner on and in Tina. He sprayed her body, her genitals and the inside of her mouth.

[David Joseph]

What happened to her that night was something that doesn't happen in Adams County. It doesn't happen in the HQDucial circuit. That's not who we are. That's not what Quincy is. That's not what Adams county is. We are a community where if you get stopped on the side of the road and you need help, somebody's going to show up to help. That's what we all expect. We don't expect to be carjacked, to be sexually assaulted, to have our house door kicked in, to be followed into the house sprayed with carpet cleaner. That's a movie, you, Honor. That's something you watch on Halloween to scare you. That's not real life. But it was real life for Tina Lohman.

[Mike Boudet]

On November 9, 2021, as Tina was being assaulted, she feared for her life. She was certain that these two attackers were going to kill her. She knew that if she was going to survive this attack, she would have to try something, anything to get these monsters out of her house. Earlier, Tina had convinced them to take her home with the promise of more money and jewelry. So Tina used the same tactic again.

[Carly]

She's so smart. She. I just, I just commend her on this next part because I would have never thought to say this, but she, she has a safe in her basement, almost like a walk in safe. And she told them that that's where, like most her money is. I don't remember the amount that she told them that was in there, but. So she gave them the combination.

[Mike Boudet]

To clarify, Tina gave her attackers a combination. It wasn't the correct combination because Tina didn't know what the correct combination was. Was the safe belonged to her husband, and he was the only one who knew the code to open it. Nonetheless, Tina led her attackers to a safe in her basement. Along the way, just for added measure, the male attacker threw Tina down the basement steps.

[David Joseph]

Then she told him about a safe in the basement, and she said that the man threw her down the stairs, and when he got down there to try to unlock the safe, he didn't have any luck.

[Mike Boudet]

Once they were in the basement, the male attacker attempted to open the safe, but of course, the combination that Tina provided didn't work.

[David Joseph]

What did Tina say happened with the safe in the basement? They went to the safe, to the basement, and there's a board that covers the face of it, and that was moved out of the way, and Tina didn't know the combination to it. So the mail went to try to open the safe, try to open it up with the knob on the safe. And when he tried to open up with the knob on the safe and he wasn't able to get into it, what did Tina say to him? She said that the safe was wired to the police department, and now the police are going to be coming.

[Carly]

That kind of got them in a panic to where they were now, in a hurry to get out of there because they thought that the cops were on their way. At that point, they kind of just finish up robbing her.

[Mike Boudet]

Tina tricked her attackers and convinced them that the safe was wired to the local police station. The two criminals now believe that the cops would be showing up any minute. So they panicked, grabbed any valuables they could, and fled the house. When they left, they also stole Tina's car. Tina was left in the home. She was bleeding and traumatized, but miraculously, Tina survived this encounter. Soon after the criminals fled, Tina's husband, Tim Schmidt, arrived home. He found Tina, asked what happened, and then began making phone calls. He called 911 and Tina's two daughters. Soon after, police officers and Tina's daughters arrived at the home.

[David Joseph]

As the law enforcement officer started to arrive, also, family members were showing up at the home. There was kind of quite a bit of chaos around the home because at first, people were looking around the home to see if they could find the people or person who had committed these acts. Eventually, some of the family members took Tina to a local hospital.

[Mike Boudet]

Tina was taken to the hospital where a sexual assault examination was performed. While there, Tina was questioned by detectives about what happened. She was also re interviewed by detectives the following day.

[Carly]

I was there when my grandma was being interviewed by the detective. So it was the very next day. They were taking DNA swabs of everyone that was at the scene just to kind of rule their DNA out. But she was basically just, I would say, like, interviewing her, just, you know, kind of having her go through everything again, asking if she had remembered anything new.

[Mike Boudet]

When Tina was interviewed by detectives, she was asked to describe her attackers. In true Tina fashion, the description she gave for her male attacker was quite unique.

[Carly]

My grandma described her attackers. She said the male looked like a small leprechaun. He had red hair and this scraggly beard, and he was short and scrawny and tiny. She said he didn't sound very intelligent. Sounded like a country bumpkin leprechaun.

[Mike Boudet]

So according to Tina, the police should be on the lookout for a dirty country bumpkin leprechaun. As it turns out, this description was pretty accurate. After describing the male attacker, Tina went on to describe his female accomplice.

[Carly]

And as far as the female, my grandma described her as a heavier set black girl. She could tell that she was on something. She could tell that they were both on something. So they were very neurotic and sporadic. And she described their behavior as hot and cold. Like, one minute they would be nice to her and tell her that she's gonna be okay, and the next minute they're kicking her. Then the next minute they're consoling her. Then the next minute they're raping her. She was very thrown off by their behavior.

[Mike Boudet]

Tina gave detectives a description of both attackers, and later detectives returned to Tina with some photographs. Not only could Tina perfectly describe her perpetrators, but she could easily point them out in a photo lineup, kind of.

[Carly]

Like they do on the TV shows. They had him in a lineup, like a picture lineup, and she was able to point them both out. So, I mean, she was 100% certain she had gotten a good look at both of their faces, and she was able to identify them.

[Mike Boudet]

After speaking with Tina, the local police and the U.S. marshal Service began searching. And it didn't take long for them to find the two monsters who committed this horrific attack.

[Carly]

That actually, it was that day, November 10th. The detective did inform us that they were able to identify who had done it. They had the two perpetrators on camera in a town called Hannibal, Missouri, which is about 20 minutes, 20, 25 minutes away from Quincy in her car. So they were able to track them pretty quickly.

[Mike Boudet]

The man and the woman that attacked, raped, and brutalized Tina were captured by surveillance cameras at the Phillips 66 gas station in Hannibal, Missouri, about 20 miles south of Tina's home. They were seen driving Tina's stolen car, a white Toyota Avalon, on that cold, dark November night.

[Detective]

One of the reasons Tina was so terrified is she had no idea who the person was that attacked her. She didn't know his name, she didn't know where he come from, and she didn't know where he went. But she did know. She knew he had red hair, she knew he had a red beard, and she knew he had her purse, jewelry. And the day after November 9, 2021. On November 10, 2021, the day after she had been brutally and violent, violently robbed and sexually assaulted, the U.S. marshals found the defendant in Springfield, Missouri.

[Mike Boudet]

Tina's attackers were taken into custody. But the nightmare for Tina and her family was far from over. The wheels of justice began to grind, and along the way, several things happened that nearly derailed the prosecution's case. Eventually, the wheels of justice came to a screeching halt for Tina's family. It appeared that the justice system might not hold these criminals accountable. It seemed that delivering some justice to Tina Lohman was a lost cause. Next time on this doesn't happen to People Like Me.

[Carly]

Just in the time like, she was 77. She was born and raised in a time where you just don't talk about that kind of stuff.

[David Joseph]

He forced her into the passenger seat as they were driving. The man began to force Tina to perform sexual acts on him.

[Detective]

Tina was told repeatedly they would kill her if she did not comply with their demands.

[Carly]

When I first found out their names, it made it more real. It was like, okay, this actually happened.

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[Ilsa Terrell]

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