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Purdue Daniels School of Business Professor and Bestselling Author Cara Putman on Leadership, Guiding Students and Ethics
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Kara Putman
This is Kara Putman, and you're listening to this Is Purdue.
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Kate Young
Hi, I'm Kate Young, and you're listening to this Is Purdue, the official podcast for Purdue University. As a Purdue alum and Indiana native, I know firsthand about the family of students and professors who are in it together, persistently pursuing and relentlessly rethinking who are the next game changers, difference makers, ceiling breakers, innovators? Who are these boilermakers? Join me as we feature students, faculty and alumni taking small steps towards their giant leaps and inspiring others to do the same.
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Kara Putman
I think that one of the best things that women, and really any student can do when it comes to being job ready is figure out what your superpower is, because that will help you become more confident as you step out into the workplace. When you kind of invest in that, you really get the opportunity to dig deep and go, this is what I bring to any team, to any employer that nobody else does.
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Kate Young
In this episode of this Is Purdue, we're talking to Kara Putman, director of the Mitch Daniels School of Business's Brock Wilson center for Women in Business, clinical associate professor at Purdue, and best selling authority. Kara is dynamic. She's enthusiastic, she's passionate. Our entire team was captivated by her stories, and I know we all learned a thing or two from her practical advice. And it was no surprise that just recently she earned a Charles B. Murphy Award, Purdue's highest undergraduate teaching honor. Cara has called Purdue home for over 20 years and has dedicated her life to being an educator and mentor to thousands of students over the years. In this episode, you'll hear more from Kara about why Purdue is a supportive place to learn, grow, and discover your purpose. How the Brock Wilson center for Women in Business creates empowered and confident leaders and what she believes is the biggest ethics issue facing the business world today. Plus, she shares her secrets to finding purpose, success and belonging, and advice for discovering your superpower in the workplace. And finally, we'll dive into Kara's experience as an accomplished author of more than 40 books and how her writing journey helps further energize her work at Purdue. I myself just had the pleasure of reading one of her legal thrillers, and I could not put it down.
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Unknown
All right, let's get to it.
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Kate Young
Here's my conversation with Kara.
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Unknown
Kara, thank you so much for joining us on this Is Purdue, the official university podcast. You're our second guest in our new studio. We're so excited to have you.
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Kara Putman
It is beautiful and I am delighted to be here. Thanks so much for inviting me.
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Unknown
Course. So you're no stranger to podcasting.
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Kara Putman
No.
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Unknown
You're an author. You have your own podcast called Book Talk.
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Kara Putman
I do.
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Unknown
I'm excited to talk to a fellow podcaster today.
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Kara Putman
Well, and it's kind of fun to be on this side of the microphone, although it's also a little weird to be the one getting the questions instead of giving the questions.
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Unknown
Sure. Well, we hope it's a good experience.
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Kara Putman
For you so far. It's been great.
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Unknown
So you've helped champion the Brock Wilson center for Women in Business, part of the Daniel School of Business. We are just really excited to dig into everything that you're doing for women and boilermakers in business. But let's kick things off at the beginning. You had an interesting childhood and schooling experience growing up. You finished high school at age 16, you graduated from college at age 20, and you completed your law degree at 27. So tell us a little bit of background about your schooling experiences growing up.
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Kara Putman
I was a first generation homeschooler, so that's how I graduated from high school at 16, because I was really one of the first homeschoolers in Nebraska, which is where I'm from. And so as soon as it became legal in Nebraska, my parents were some of the first to sign up and go, hey, this sounds like a great way to get an education. So we started when I was in fifth grade and I was homeschooled from fifth to 10th grade. And then I kind of talked my way into college. I had read an article in Homeschool Legal Defense magazine or something like that about young man somewhere who went to Harvard at 16. And being the person I am, I was like, well, if he can go to college at 16, I should be able to go to college at 16. And God bless my parents. They went, okay, well, maybe. But they didn't shut it down. They were like, well, we'll see if Kara's still serious about that when she gets to 16. And essentially the moment I turned 16, I went, okay, are we going to go sign me up for college? And they were like, I don't even know how we do this, but we had a community college in our town. I'm from North Platte, Nebraska, which for those of you who've never heard of it, it's halfway between Omaha and Denver. So I like to say it's in the middle of everything and absolutely close to nothing. It's about four hours from each of those. So we had a public school, a Catholic high school, and the community college. And so the community college really became a fantastic Launching pad for me. I think of it as my high school. And so I started at 16 and graduated with my associate's degree when all of my friends were graduating with their high school diploma.
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Unknown
So then what brought you into law school?
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Kara Putman
So it was actually the fact that I had been homeschooled. And I very vividly remember I was 12, the teachers were trying to get the law reversed to make it illegal to homeschool. And so my mom dragged us along with a lot of other homeschool families. We're down at the Unicamel. Nebraska has a one house legislature. And so we were down there for a day. And I'll never forget because it was a really long, really boring day, but we were sitting there for an entire day watching the legislative process in the committee room. All these people are getting up and they're talking about why homeschooling is important and why it's a necessary educational alternative for families. And the state senators just really aren't engaged. And then the attorney from Homeschool Legal Defense sat down and it was almost night and day, all the senators sat up and they all started really paying attention. And my 12 year old brain went, I want my words to matter. And if it takes a law degree for my words to matter, then I think that might be what I need to get. And that's like that pivotal moment where I started thinking about maybe law is what I need. And I also think it's when I started really falling in love with politics. My parents were really engaged with party politics in Nebraska, so we were always going door to door in campaign seasons. When I was at the University of Nebraska Lincoln, I paged at the unicameral. I interned for a state senator. So I mean I was majoring in political science. So I was really engaged in that whole process which really leads to law school as well. But it was kind of that 12 of watching the process and then watching the impact that an attorney had versus everybody else. And I'm like, it really shouldn't have made a difference. But for some reason that JD at the end of their name really made a difference to those state senators. And I went, I want that.
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Unknown
That's incredible.
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Kara Putman
At age 12, it's like my path did a little bit of tacking side to side, but I never really deviated from I think I want to go to law school.
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Unknown
So let's talk through your Boilermaker journey. How did you get to Purdue? How did you join us here?
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Kara Putman
Funny story, I didn't even know Purdue was a thing. There are A lot of people who will be on either coast, there'll be all over the world. You know, my husband and I travel, and he's always in his Purdue gear. And it doesn't matter what airport we're in, you'll always hear, boiler up, hammer down, boiler up, hammer down. And so there's such an amazing community of boilermakers. But at the time, I was at Nebraska as an undergrad. We were not in the same athletic conference like we are now. And so I was just not really familiar with Purdue. But then I married a boilermaker and very quickly became familiar with Purdue. And he followed me to D.C. where after graduation, we both worked in the D.C. area for a while in the nonprofit world, and I went to law school while working clerked for a federal judge. I was headed to the Department of Justice to work in their honors program. And I was really excited. It was like my dream job at the time. And then my husband came home from work one day, and he said, I just saw this listing in the Chronicle of Higher Education for a job at Purdue for the Jischke. What we came to find out was the Jiske capital campaign, and it was for the College of Ag, which is his alma mater.
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Unknown
Oh.
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Kara Putman
And I was like, I think you've got to apply. And my HR brain went, and they would be absolutely insane not to hire you. And that was in April. And I really started kind of packing then, even though I knew I was headed to the Department of Justice for my dream job. And it was August when Purdue finally got through all the hoops. And so the week I was supposed to start my dream job, we were moving to West Lafayette, a town I'd never really been to. I'd been on campus one time. I knew there was a Cracker Barrel and there was Purdue, and that was it. So I told him. I was like, I can do anything for two years as long as there's a Walmart. And that was why we came here, because I knew Indy was an hour away, Chicago was two hours away, and that was 23 years ago. So we got here and obviously fell in love with the community. And Purdue has been really good to us.
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Unknown
And here you are today.
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Kara Putman
And here we are today.
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Kate Young
Kara digs more into both the Daniels School of Business and the Brock Wilson Center's efforts on recruiting young women and what led to her passion for mentoring and leading women who are pursuing business careers.
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Kara Putman
It's something that's really fun to think about, because when I look back on my life, I think about the moment I stepped onto the campus at Mid Plains Community College as the 16 year old who really didn't know hardly anything. I mean, I've been homeschooled for six years. And I think about Mrs. McGann who took me under her wing and gave me the opportunity to be the student body president and to do some different things like that. I think about Mrs. Ridnauer and Mr. Babcock, who were on the Truman selection committee at Mid Plains Community College, which then I was a finalist that then got me on track to, at the university, become a Truman Scholar, which then actually allowed me to go to grad school. Because this first gen, I didn't know how I was going to pay for all of these things. And so every time I look back, there have been people who have poured into me and have mentored me because I didn't have this wealth of family experience. We were entrepreneurs. My parents were very much at the time I was navigating this whole college experience that they were helpful as much as they knew to be helpful, but they were also really focused on building our businesses and also telling me, kara, you've got three siblings, and so we don't know how much we can help you pay for college because you've got three siblings coming behind you. And so it was all these different people at Mid Plains. At the University of Nebraska, Lincoln, there was one of my professors, the department head that I think every time he had office hours, I was in his office. Sometimes I don't even know what we talked about. I mean, I look back now and I'm like, I am surprised he didn't see me coming and slammed the door because he had to be like, oh my gosh, here comes Kara again. And yet at the same time, if he hadn't done that, I don't know that I would have actually gotten to grad school because it was him. And then the executive secretary of the Truman foundation, who both gave me the advice of, you are graduating at barely 20. My birthday's the end of March and I graduated the beginning of May. So I mean, I was a baby 20 year old. And they're like, you're gonna go to grad school, you have this scholarship, but let's take a couple years and figure out what you really wanna do. Because I got the Truman on, I'm gonna get a PhD in international relations. The iron curtain had just fallen and I was like, I wanna be part of figuring out what's gonna happen in this power vacuum in Europe and all of this. What's going to happen now and what are we going to do? And I look at the world today and I'm like, we still got to figure out what's going to happen in this power vacuum and everything that's going on. And they were like, maybe that's what you'll do, or maybe you'll go to law school. And I had another professor telling me, you should really get a MBA in hr. And, you know, none of them were wrong. I ended up with an MBA and I ended up with a law degree. And. But that advice to go work for a few years and figure out what you really want to do. So I think those experiences, coming back to your question, is what really birthed this passion for mentoring today's students. And I think it's why I am so passionate about Purdue and what we do. Because we are a land grant university. We are all about fundamentally, if we ever lose that part of our DNA that we are land grant, we should be the place where first generation students, because there are still a lot of first generation students out there. We should never lose sight of the fact that there are students who, they come here. And you know, one of the things I tell students every time I see them on tours, I'm like, you are getting a lot of pressure today to know exactly what you're going to do. And you're 18 years old, some of them are 17, and you're going to change your mind six times. And I always tell mom and dad, cover your ears, but actually don't, because it's okay. Because our advisor to student ratio, at least at Daniels, is 1 to 250. The national standard is 1 to 7 50. We are scaffolded to help students and to provide the tools that they need to be successful so you don't have to panic when your student calls you, says, mom, dad, guess what, I want to change my major. You should be able to go, it's okay. Purdue is going to help you through that process. And there's people like me, there's people like their advisors. We're here to help. That's what gives us our joy. All of that, I think, comes together to kind of fuel me to be like, how can we create more of those structures and systems and safe spaces and communities of belonging so that every student at Purdue can absolutely thrive?
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Unknown
And how do you guys within Daniel School of Business recruit the types of people that you want to see come through the school? Like you said, first generation women. How do you guys do that?
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Kara Putman
It really is challenging in higher education right now because One of the just realities of demographics right now is what we're calling like the demographic cliff, because in general in higher education there's this cliff of there aren't as many 18 year olds today as there were five years ago or 10 years ago. And there was going to be even fewer starting. I think it's 2025. Oh, that's this year. Oops. And so it's like there's just this, in general, smaller pool of 18 year olds. And then in Indiana, we have this added demographic challenge that I really want to crack because I'm like, don't tell me no. Because if you tell me no, I'm like, we can solve it. There's a way to fix it. But in Indiana, there's still a lot of students who don't think they need to go to college, period. And especially with men, which I think is just fascinating. And I think when you talk to different people, they'll say it's because of unions, it's because of agriculture. But those demographics are shifting in the job market. So I think part of what is happening with like the semiconductor plants coming and AI and some of all these different things, we're doing some really interesting things with the kind of the economic development job marketplace that we're going to have a different story to tell high school students. But we've got to bridge that divide between high school and college. And so that's part of what we're actually doing at the Brock Wilson Center. And I'm so proud of it, because when we go out to recruit, if we're just talking about women in business, it is such a miss. It's a big part of it. But we're recruiting for Daniels and we're recruiting for the university because we're going to the DECA State Conference, we're going to Junior Achievement. I mean, we've got to talk to junior high and middle school students because the decision that 8th graders are making related to math is going to be the deciding factor on whether or not they get into Purdue. Purdue is an elite university. And so if you are not calculus ready, you will not get into engineering, you will not get into science, and you will not get into Daniels. Period. End of story. Stop. And so we have actually got to be talking to students and families in seventh and eighth grade, because in eighth grade right now they've already decided what math class they're going to take their freshman year. But then we also have to talk to them in ninth grade when it gets hard because their high school advisor is going to tell them, oh, it's okay. Hop off the honors track, no big deal. It's actually a huge deal because now you have just hopped off being ready to have a application for college at Purdue. That means you're going to get accepted 9th grade. Do you think a 14 and 15 year old is going to make the hard choice if they don't have people at home saying, grit it out, sweetheart, grit it out, young man. Because what you're doing today is going to have a huge impact on what you're doing tomorrow. And so we have got to be interacting with those students at a really young age. And so that's part of what we're doing with the Brock Wilson Center. But we're one little tiny unit on campus trying to make an impact and really testing some different spaces where we can go where other organizations are already pulling together our target market and then just kind of lend strength to what they're already doing.
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Kate Young
Today's business world is full of complex ethical challenges. And with all of the headlines in the recent years, Karen knew she had to take charge and prepare her Boilermaker students to navigate these challenges with practical, hands on advice. So in 2024, Kara piloted a core ethics course for Daniel School of Business students. Kara discusses this class and why it's fundamental for students to be knowledgeable about ethics in the business world.
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Kara Putman
Ethics is one of those things that all you have to do is look at the Wall Street Journal, Financial Times, any broadcast of your choice to see that people still struggle to make good choices on a day to day basis. Think about if you have kids, what's one of the things we're always telling them? Make good choices. I tell my son all the time, our youngest and like, use your powers for good. We're always telling our kids that. But there seems to be a disconnect between when they're kids to when they become professionals. And so about 2018, 2019, I became the principal investigator with a group of faculty. And it's not all just in Daniels. We've got a few from Polytech that we are studying. How can we more effectively teach ethics at the undergraduate level? The Blake Family Ethics center is an outgrowth and part of that work. What we are doing and this one credit course is kind of that foundation, but we've developed a four year model that we hope will at the end of it, when students have spent four years with us, when they leave, they will have a toolkit, but they will also have practiced because I think that's important and we think the Research shows that, that the more interactions you have with ethics, the more times you have to practice ethics, the more times you have to pre think what would I do when I am confronted with those tough choices? Not that you will do it perfectly every time, but you will be better prepared to then make that hard choice because life is filled with choices. And the other thing we're trying to do is remove ethics from being over here. So when we make decisions in a business context, most people will tell you there's a people decision, there's a finance decision, there's a supply chain decision, there's all these different things and then ethics is over here in a corner. And it really, it should just be another part of the decision making process. So we're trying to help people to see it's just integrated in instead of being the afterthought. And so that's really what we are trying to do with this modeling. And so we've been able to take it. I've presented it internationally, at conferences, nationally. So we're trying to get a lot of feedback on it and get thoughts with. We're starting to write it up and put it, disseminate it in different journals and things like that. Because another one of kind of, I guess my foundational philosophies is if we're doing something and we really believe it's excellent, then we should be opening it up for other people to challenge us on it, but also to disseminate it in a way that other people can replicate it, can use it. Yeah.
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Unknown
What do you think the biggest ethics challenges are right now, today in the business world?
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Kara Putman
I think it really comes down to being willing to walk away. I'm a big believer in giving people practical tools and this is going to sound so simple, but one of the things I am constantly telling my students and they'll even tell you practical tips about men, is you need a six month emergency fund so that if you're asked to do something that's illegal or unethical, you can walk away. Because often people don't leave even when they know they should because they don't feel like they can leave. And so if we are helping students to pre think, okay, these are my non negotiable. So we're asking first year students in that class to write down these are my non negotiable values. And I even tell them, I'm like, unless I can see that this value could lead you to jail. I might not agree with you, but I'm not going to tell you you're wrong. Unless I'm like, I think this one could actually lead you to jail, then I might ask you to reconsider it. You can write what you want. I just want you to know your why. Because you have to know why it's something that's really important to you or it's not going to actually help you make choices. I would love in three years to have them rewrite it and see if it changes, see if there's any movement in it. This is our first year of the longitudinal, so maybe we'll be able to do that, maybe not. We'll see. But then we're also giving them other tools, like really quick. Okay, here are three questions that walk you through three of the big philosophical ideas and giving them lots of things. But I think one of the seriously, one of the most practical is have a six month emergency fund so you can literally walk away. Because often, like WorldCom, two of the people who went to jail knew what they were doing was wrong. They wrote letters of resignation, but they didn't submit them because they thought they didn't have a choice, because they didn't have the savings.
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Unknown
Or at least in their mind they wanted to keep making money and not because they.
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Kara Putman
WorldCom's headquarters was in a small town, smallish town, 20,000 people in Mississippi and they were both the primary breadwinner in their family. I don't want our students to be in that situation.
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Unknown
That's a great, great idea. What was it? Practical tips with Putman.
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Kara Putman
Yeah, practical tips with Putman.
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Unknown
That's a perfect tagline. With your law background, you know plenty of cases, you teach students about plenty of court cases that have affected women, specifically in the workplace. Why are you passionate about sharing these cases with your students?
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Kara Putman
I think it's really important for students to understand the context of where we've been and so understanding court cases is one way to do that. Another meeting I had was related to a study abroad program that I'm taking students on this summer in Prague. And one of the things we were talking about was Czech Republic, Prague. It has been this crossroads of so much of history and so much that has happened that I don't think our students understand. Like they don't understand it was behind the Iron Wall. They don't understand that the Nazis overtook the country during World War II. So it was like helping them to see that, like taking them to a bomb shelter that was in place during the time that it was behind the Iron Curtain actually is not a bad cultural trip, especially in the context of what's happening in the world today. And so helping students to understand where we've come from and where that might help us see where we're going or help us avoid certain things, that's actually part of what education is. And so one of the things that I do appreciate about teaching at Purdue is the fact that we followed like the Chicago principles. So I'm always in the first day or two of class level setting with students. That one of the things that's absolutely fundamental, you don't have to agree with me on everything. And in fact you shouldn't. I don't want to create a bunch of mini caras. That would be an absolutely terrifying world. We don't need that. But we do have to respect each other. We do have to have civility. Because I teach law and ethics, you're not going to agree with me. You're not. But if we can't actually have the conversations, the world is a really scary place because group think is actually not a good thing. I have to, in ethics, I have to talk about confirmation bias, I have to talk about framing bias, I have to talk about overconfidence bias. I have to, I have to. If students aren't willing to go with me there, the class isn't going to work and I'm not going to be able to do my job. But that means I have to respect them and they have to actively feel that respect from me and then they have to respect me back. It's this really interesting two way street. And with the ethics class, they're first year students and so it's been really challenging in some ways to be able to real quickly in an eight week class, establish that and build that rapport and get to the place where I'm like, no, I'm serious about this. I really do want to have these conversations. And if I'm playing devil's advocate, it doesn't mean I like don't like you or I'm not agreeing with you. But we have to have like this full and rich discussion so that we can actually get into, well, what does this look like? And guess what? Not everybody's going to agree with you in real life. So you have to learn how to handle this. It can be a challenge, but it's so important in this world today to know how to have those conversations and actually be able to do it and do it well and be able to.
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Unknown
Exist with other people who may not have your same place beliefs. Right. And have that respect still.
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Kara Putman
Absolutely. We need that. If I just stay with people who only think like I do, my life is very narrow and I am missing out on the richness and diversity of experience. And if people who don't think like I do are doing the same thing, there's so much richness in the middle, but there's also a lot of danger because we're not seeing all the opportunities and we're going to miss a lot of answers to problems because we're just so entrenched in our spaces and so we're not going to solve the most challenging, pressing problems that our world is facing today.
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Kate Young
As the director of the Brock Wilson center for Women in Business, Cara has seen expansive growth in the center itself and many of the programs within it, including the Women in Business Learning Community and the Confident Transitions pathway. She shares more about this growth and why these resources for Boilermaker students are so unique.
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Kara Putman
It has just been so exciting because of the transformation that we're seeing in students lives. If it's all it's just a numbers game, then it's really, it can be a waste of resources. But when you see the impact it has on students and numbers is a part of that story. So when I stepped into this role In August of 2021, it's been three and a half years. For example, there's an ambassador program. So it was called Ambassadors. I haven't changed the name. There were six students who were ambassadors when I came in. Those are students who want to be part of the Brock Wilson center and they help us with recruiting, but then they also help us create community for the students who are in Daniels and do programming. That program went from 10, well, 6 to 10 to 35 to 80. And now this year it's 205. So it's like this hockey stick. When it went from 10 to 35 it was like, oh, that's really good. And then it went to 85 and I was like, oh my goodness, that's great. How do you keep like, I mean, more than doubling and how do you keep that community, that belonging that we're all here supporting each other? And then it grew to 205, but that's basically 15 to 18% of the women at Daniels are ambassadors. Wow, that's pretty cool. Yeah. And then our learning community is for first year women and they take classes together and they've got similar communities in science and technology and engineering. We've got a mentoring program. They take classes together, they do professional development. We take em to the career fair so they can get the overwhelm out of the way when they're not really looking for a job. But then their sophomore year, they know what to expect. We do Friendsgiving and Galentine, so there's fun activities. We take them to Exploration Acres, do just all these really cool things so they can. The moment they step onto campus, we are there at the residence hall to meet them so that they have community immediately. It went from 10 to last year. This year, we had to beg for more spaces so we could have 40. And we're begging for more spaces so we can have 50 next year. And we just won Learning Community of the Year and Signature event of the year.
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Unknown
Wow. Congratulations.
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Kara Putman
I was like, yay, we're doing something right. And so it's just been fun. I look around, I'm like, okay, what are we doing? What's already existing? And then how can we. If it's excellent, how do we scale it? How do we make it more impactful? How do. And if it's excellent, how do we invite more people to it? Why should people go to Harvard? They should come to Purdue.
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Unknown
I love that mic drop. That's incredible. So in the fall of 2024, women made up 36% of the Daniels School of Business class, which is an uptick from 32% in 2022 and 2023. This increase might not seem like a big deal to people outside. Yeah, tell us about that. What obstacles do you believe that women still face in business today as well?
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Kara Putman
If you don't live in the recruiting space, you could go, oh, my gosh, that sounds terrible. But if you look at the broader landscape, if you do benchmarking against, like, other big ten schools or business schools in general, it's actually pretty shocking that that 32 to 36% is kind of the standard. Wharton and maybe one or two other schools. Rutgers actually has about 50% women, which I still am trying to wrap my mind around it. I think it might be because it's an urban, more of a commuter type of school. But I haven't really been able to figure out what the secret sauce is for Rutgers. But Wharton has 50% women at the undergraduate level. And then it really is this. 32, 36. Every once in a while, you'll get someone at 40%. And so my best guess is when you get women who are good in math and science, what are they told? Go into engineering. You should be a doctor. And that's fabulous if that's what you want to be. But there are a lot of young women who don't want to be engineers, and they don't like blood.
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Unknown
They don't want to be in healthcare. Hello.
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Kara Putman
That was me. I'm like, ugh. I went to law school because I don't want to do blood. And so part of what we're trying to do at the Brock Wilson center is just help people, young women in particular, but really all students, to understand that there are some fabulous opportunities in business if you are really good at math and if you're good at math and science, Purdue is the place for you because we've got integrated business and engineering. And that is a phenomenal degree for people who are like, I really like science, but I don't know that I want to do full on engineering. Because IBE is first year engineering and then three years of business with some engineering woven in. And we're looking at other degrees like that where it's going to be this incredible blend. And that's something that you get at Purdue that you cannot get at any other school. I mean, we really are the crossroads of technology and business. That is something that we really need to be trumpeting from every rooftop and getting the message out. But what happens is when you have 32, 35, 36% women is especially as you get into higher division courses, it is not unusual for our women students to realize I am one or two or three in my class. And so what has been happening is we've had these clubs start cropping up. Women in consulting, women in econ, women in just all these different women in law. And so really coming around them and saying, okay, first off, do you really need a separate club? And then if so, how do we support you? So you get that. Because what they're signaling is we need community. We need a place where we can belong. And to me, what belonging is, is it's just, I don't have to pretend I can just be myself. I have a place where people are glad to see me and I can just be myself.
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Unknown
You're full of advice, you're full of practical tips, as we've heard. What is your single biggest piece of advice for women in business when it comes to networking, mentoring, and being kind of job ready after graduation?
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Kara Putman
I think that one of the best things that women, and really any student can do when it comes to being job ready is figure out what your superpower is. Because that will help you become more confident as you step out into the workplace. It's one of the reasons I created confident transitions for our students. And I think when you're at Purdue, again, you have kind of this low hanging Fruit that's available to you because Purdue has already invested in Gallup strikes. And so you already know what your five superpowers are. The question is, are you going to invest beyond taking that survey, that assessment when you're onboarding as a first year student, when you invest in that, you really get the opportunity to dig deep and go, this is what I bring to any team, to any employer that nobody else does. And that combination of the top five, when you put it all together, it's like 33 million to one that anybody else is going to have that same unique combination. I'm an activator, achiever, input maximizer, strategic. So I see possibilities where nobody else does. And I automatically see five ways to make it happen. I'm going to make it happen because I'm an activator and I'm an achiever. And because I'm input and I'm constantly taking in information, when it's time to do it, I already have the information there and I can connect it and I can get it done. And so I'm a unicorn in higher education. When you put all that together, it's really great because I can then walk into a room and I can be like, okay, here, here's where I add value, here's where I get joy. And when you put that all together, I'm pretty much a passion explosion. And it's really fun. The earlier you can figure that out and start going, okay, I'm going to do this and I like this. And then be ready to experiment and be ready to fail fast. Because the faster you fail, the faster you can get onto the next thing. And so college is that safe place to fail, because you're not failing on a 10 million account or a hundred million dollar account. You're failing on an event that yet might be embarrassing, but it's not the end of the world. You're not going to lose your job most of the time. And if you do, it's an appointment in a student club, move on, it's not the end of the world. Find that thing that you do that nobody else does and be willing to try things. Because the cost of failure is so low in college and it's so much lower to do it here.
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Unknown
I love that.
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Kate Young
Find your superpower. Kara's advice there had me thinking about what my superpower is. And I hope you all can reflect on yours, because everyone has one. So how has Kara seen all of these robust Purdue resources impact young boilermakers firsthand?
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Kara Putman
Young boilermakers at Purdue have so much available to them through alumni connections through are amazing connections with donors who just pour their resources into even just thinking about, like study abroad. There are so many study abroad scholarships. I mean, my one regret from undergrad is I didn't go. And I think that's why I'm so passionate about taking students on study abroad. And there are resources to help them do that. And that's just one example. Undergraduate research. There are resources to help students do undergraduate research and so many great opportunities. And so it's really just helping students make the connections. And sometimes they just don't know where to go and what those resources are. And sometimes it's helping faculty make those connections. And that's fun too, being kind of that. If you've ever read Malcolm Gladwell's Tipping Point, you know, he talks about there's the early adopters and there's the connectors, and then I forget what the others are. I am not an early adopter because I am an attorney. I'm risk averse. I want to make sure it works before I jump ahead in. But then once it does, I'm like, I am all in. And I love connecting people. I don't silo. And so I love when I keep you like, oh, you want to do that? Well, here are the people you need to connect with and being networked across campus or being networked off of campus. So I could be like, you've got a great idea and you've got a great idea, but you don't know each other. And so if we can get you together, it's going to be amazing for our students and for you. And when it works across the river, how much better? Because now we're getting off of campus, I get goosebumps. It's so cool.
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Unknown
Absolutely. I want to go back because at the beginning of this I mentioned you're a very successful author. You've written over 40 books. You also have a podcast called Book Talk. So tell us about the types of books you write. We have some, if you're watching on YouTube, we have some placed throughout our set here. But I'm really excited to hear more about your writing and your books.
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Kara Putman
I am editing book 43 and 44 right now. Oh, my goodness. And book 42 comes out in April, so by the time this is out, it will have been in bookstores for a month. But I write primarily books centered around either World War II history, finding those kind of unknown stories and bringing them to light, or tapping into my legal knowledge of writing legal suspense or romantic suspense.
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Unknown
Amazing. So tell us about this passion for writing. You've had such an interesting career path, education path. Where did this passion for writing and becoming an author come from?
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Kara Putman
I have had it literally since I was about 13 or 14, and it came from being kind of that hubris of the young. My favorite authors weren't writing fast enough, and I went, well, if they can't write faster, I guess I'll just have to write my own books. And then I started college and got married, but the passion for writing just never went away. So when my husband was working on a master's degree and we had two young kids, so they were going to bed at 8, and he was starting to study, I was like, well, I guess now's a good time to try writing. And I was really fortunate. A lot of people, when they start writing, it'll be six, seven, eight, nine years before they get a contract. And my journey was a year. And then my first book came out, and a year later, it won a major award. And I've just. I've been writing, like, two or three books a year ever since. So to have 43, 44 books. And I started writing in 2005, so in 20 years, it's pretty incredible. I'm very blessed.
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Unknown
How do you think that that helps you? You know, this journey of being an author and enjoying the writing process, I can tell you're passionate about it. Helps you with everything that you do.
- [39:27]
Kara Putman
With Purdue, I think it's this interesting balance, because when I started writing, I was a lawyer by day and a writer by night, and it was that balance of left brain and right brain. And so with the teaching, it's still a lot of. I get to do the left brain of, okay, how do I get all these concepts across to students? And then the teaching itself can be kind of the right brain. How do you present it? And then the writing is right brain, creating and all that. And then the editing is very left brain. And so it's just this. I guess I'm ambidextrous when it comes to. I really like to use both sides of the brain. And I miss it when I'm not writing, because I'm like, I really just wanted to have one book. I wanted to be able to say I'd written a book and gotten it published. And now I'm like, okay, so I've got this idea for the next series, and I've got to get it put together so we can. My agent can send it out to publishers. And every time I'm like, do I want to do this again. And now, of course, with the Purdue book campaign, they're like, now we want you to write nonfiction. I'm like, do I want to do that? Because it's very different to do academic writing and the, the fiction, but it just feeds a different part of me. So I love it.
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Unknown
That's amazing. So many people dream of writing a book. We were talking before this, some of the girls, and they're like, it's on my bucket list to become a writer. What advice would you give to young writers or really any writer who wants to get published?
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Kara Putman
Yeah, I love teaching at writing conferences and helping people have their writing dreams come to life. Because there's studies out there that say like something like 85 or 90% of people say they want to be a writer. And some of the best advice I can give is, number one, you have to be a reader. Because if you want to write, you have to know what makes a good book. And one of the best ways to do that is just to read voraciously, particularly in the genre you think you want to write. But I also think it's good to kind of read across because you can pull in techniques that work well from other genres. And then the other is you have to put your butt in a chair and you have to actually write. And so if you write 500 words a day, which is about two double spaced pages, over the course of a year, you'll get to roughly a hundred thousand word book. Two pages a day, it's not that much.
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Unknown
Break it up into small chunks.
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Kara Putman
Once you know what you're doing, it's about 20 minutes. Take part of your lunch. Stop binging a show. I gave up watching TV when I started writing. So there are a lot of TV shows that people will talk about that I have no idea what they're talking about. I had to give something up to make space for writing. I am catching up on a few shows now. I did watch the first season of Only Murders in the Building, and we're watching High Potential right now. That was fun.
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Unknown
I love High Potential.
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Kara Putman
I know, it reminds me of Castle. I'm like, I kind of like the energy behind it. Because you can learn a lot from really good TV shows or like all the Marvel movies. I love that. Well, now they're going downhill. But there's so much on character development from the Iron man one through Endgame. There's so much you can learn about character development and things like that. But even then, my family was like, seriously, can't you just watch a movie I'm like, no, I am studying for character and all this kind of stuff. But figure out what you're going to give up so that you can make space to write two pages a day.
- [42:33]
Unknown
Stop scrolling on social.
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Kara Putman
Yes, exactly. Stop watching Netflix. Do you really need Instagram or whatever it is TikTok. You can find the time.
- [42:41]
Unknown
I love that. So I want to bring us back to Purdue and the Daniel School of Business. What do you envision DSB to look like in five years?
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Kara Putman
Well, in five years we will have our new building and that will be amazing because it's student facing. The Brock Wilson center will be on the fourth floor. Very excited about that. We will probably have 4,000 to 4,500 undergraduate students. They will be and continue to be some of the top business students in the country that I will love teaching. And I think what we will see is we will probably have a couple new majors. There will be a class, at least one class on artificial intelligence. That one's rolling out in the fall. Hopefully we'll have a law major. We're working on that. What you'll see is that the faculty and the students will really be engaged on the question of how does business connect with technology? And I'm really excited to see what we can do with having access to indie in the new way. I think that there's opportunities for engagement with all of the great companies in Indianapolis that when it comes to like opportunities for students to really get in there and apply what they're learning in the classroom to real world problems in a way that, not that we couldn't do it here, but actually getting to go to the company and see the systems and see the processes like a living lab. I think that having the Indy campus will allow us to do some things like that in new and fresh ways.
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Unknown
What about the future of the business world in five years? What do you hope to see?
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Kara Putman
I would love to see. Are you putting on my ethics hat? I would love to see a world where there aren't so many scandals, where the business leaders really are thinking about shareholders and employees and thinking about the long term impacts of their decisions in a way that balances those interests. You can create shareholder value without having to sacrifice treating people well.
- [44:54]
Unknown
That's perfect advice. Well, we can't thank you enough for joining us. Is there anything else that you would like to share with us, our listeners? Anything I missed.
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Kara Putman
This has been so much fun. Thank you for having me today. And Purdue is just such a great place to be. I've been really, really blessed to be here for all these years and boiler up.
- [45:12]
Kate Young
We can't thank Kara enough for joining us on this Is Purdue. You can watch more behind the scenes videos with Kara, including her advice for upcoming graduates and more details about her favorite characters from her award winning books. Check out our podcast YouTube channel YouTube.com/thisis Purdue. And of course be sure to follow Thisis Purdue on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, iHeartRadio, or wherever you get your podcasts. This Is Purdue is hosted and written by me, Kate Young. Our podcast videography for this episode was led by Ted Schellenberger, John Garcia, Bad Boone and Zach Mogenson. Our social media marketing is led by Maria Welch. Our podcast distribution strategy is led by Carly Eastman. Our podcast design is led by Cheryl Glatzba. Our podcast photography is led by John Underwood. Our podcast team Project Manager is Rain goo. Our podcast YouTube promotions is managed by Megan Hoskins. Additional writing and research assistance is led by Sophie Ritz and Ashvini Malshi. Our Creative Production Assistant assistant is Delaney Young and our this Is Purdue intern is Caroline Keim. Thanks for listening to this Is Purdue. For more information on this episode, visit our website at Purdue Edu Podcast. From there you can head over to your favorite podcast app to subscribe. And don't forget, you can also check out all of our podcast content on our podcast YouTube page YouTube.com/at Sign this is Purdue and as always, boiler up.