Jeremy Renner

Summary

Podcast Summary: This Life of Mine with James Corden – Jeremy Renner

Episode Date: January 13, 2026
Host: James Corden, Lemonada Media
Guest: Jeremy Renner

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Episode Overview

This episode of This Life of Mine features acclaimed actor Jeremy Renner in a deeply personal conversation with James Corden. Renner reflects on the transformative moments and key influences in his life—centered around objects, people, places, music, and memories that have defined him. They discuss Renner’s astounding recovery after his near-fatal accident, the significance of titanium implants in his body, his deep bonds with friends and family, his enduring love for music and film, and his evolving perspective on life and mortality.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Immediate and Raw Reflections on Recovery

• How Renner is feeling now:
  He describes each day as different, but says he generally feels “joyous and thankful.”

  “I am feeling…it’s different every day, but I think generally it’s pretty joyous and thankful and pretty happy, generally.” – Jeremy Renner (03:08)

The Titanium Implants: A New “Possession”

• Significance:
  Renner’s prized possession is now the titanium that comprises 15–20% of his body following his 2023 accident.

  “It’s certainly not the watch. It’s…20% of my body at this point and it will be with me forever. It’s like half of my ribs.” – Jeremy Renner (03:45)

Recounting the Accident

• The scene:
  • New Year’s Day 2023, clearing snow at Lake Tahoe during a storm.
  • Renner was using a snowcat to help his nephew when, while trying to ensure his nephew’s safety, he was thrown under the massive vehicle, which ran over him.
  • He remained conscious throughout the ordeal.

  “I had to be awake. Otherwise I would have been dead because I had to do all this forced breathing…” – Jeremy Renner (06:45)

  • He details excruciating pain, survival through mindful breathing, and hearing his own bones crack.

  “If I didn’t blow out and scream out air just to suck air back in...I don’t imagine I’d make it more than a minute if I was knocked out. I’d have been gone.” – Jeremy Renner (06:45)

2. Near-Death Experience & Coming Back

• Spiritual perspective:
  He recalls his near-death experience as “glorious,” filled with peace, lacking fear, and deeply transformative.

  “All life just got better. Everything you know and you love...it’s a two way street now. There’s no time, place or space or color… it’s a known peace… It’s like a peaceful excitement. It's hard to express…” – Jeremy Renner (08:18)

  • On returning to life: Felt "survivor’s guilt" but doubled down on living without fear.

  “Death was not something I was ever afraid of. Now I’m really not afraid… Kind of excited for it, to be honest, it’s what life really is…” (09:12)

3. Family: Motherhood, Guilt, and Healing

• Mother’s role in recovery:
  Renner credits his mother and sister with nurturing him back to health—reversing roles to his near-infancy and instilling emotional healing.

  “Life was so wonderfully simple. All I had to do is get better… that’s my only job.” (12:14)

• Guilt & empathy:
  He describes emotional responsibility and guilt for the trauma his family endured as witnesses to the accident.

4. Place: Lake Tahoe as Home and Sanctuary

• His “happy place” despite the trauma:
  Lake Tahoe, where the accident happened, remains his place of joy, rooted in childhood memories and community involvement.

  “It’s majestic in the water, majestic from the mountains…big enough to be exciting and small enough to have real, real sense of community.” (12:45)

• Community engagement:
  Renner bought and repurposed a fire truck, helping to form a local fire service in his Lake Tahoe neighborhood.

5. The Power of Music and Film

Choice of Significant Film: The Jungle Book (1967)

• Emotional connection and generational bonding:
  Childhood memories with his father, who played Baloo to Jeremy’s Mowgli.

  “The music always caught me… Bare Necessities is one of the first songs I wanted to learn.” (15:31)

  • The tune lifts his mood and now connects to his daughter, Ava, to whom he’s introduced the film.

Music: Beethoven’s Moonlight Sonata

• Why this piece?
  Seen as a pure, timeless piece that shaped his approach to songwriting and serves as a bond with his daughter.
  • Played it for Ava in utero and as a newborn; Ava learned to play it at age 7.

  “We listened to Moonlight Sonata every night for the first two and a half years of her life… She learned to play it at about 7 years old. I was so jealous. Look how full circle this is…” (40:36)

6. Fatherhood and Shifting Relationships

• Deepening bonds post-accident:
  Renner notes changes in his relationship with Ava—pride, empathy, and emotional intelligence blossoming in her.

  “When you said she’s proud of you…for walking up the stairs to go to the parent teacher conference. There’s a, like, a real empathy, a real sensitivity, emotional intelligence. You’re watching this grow and fester inside of her…” (17:15)

7. Key Memory: Hiking with His Dad in Yosemite

• Emotional and philosophical impact:
  Hiking as a child gave him awe at nature and perspective on stress and scale—nurtured emotional intelligence through shared experiences, music, and conversation.

  “When you see that…how small you are and how irrelevant your stress is… I was learning that at a very young age.” (18:33)

8. Early Struggles, Faith in Craft, and Resilience

• Early LA years:
  Renner survived on meager means ($5/month, donuts for a week), but found purpose and pride in pursuing his passion despite hardship.

  “I don’t want to be eating 14 donut holes for my meals, but it doesn’t suck. I’m not sitting at a desk bookkeeping right now… I’m clear about what I love…” (24:48)

• Belief and persistence:
  He recalibrated goals after early small successes, faced uncertainty, but never doubted his calling.

  “Confidence was a big ally for me. Same for recovery… It’s a belief.” (25:21)

9. Defining Friendships and the Power of Shared Experience

• The Hurt Locker & Bonds with Anthony Mackie and Brian Garrity:
  Chose these two as his “persons”— forged profound connections during filming and through adversity, especially after his accident.

  “For example, one of the first people at my hospital bed was Anthony Mackie… The connectedness that we have is an always thing.” (29:30–30:00)

  • Mackie and Garrity send heartfelt video messages, reinforcing the brotherhood and impact of their shared experiences.

  “You are number one. You are our leader… There was before that movie the Hurt Locker and there was after…” – Anthony Mackie (31:26)

10. Marvel & Fame: The Avengers Phenomenon

• Unexpected scale of fame:
  The Avengers' cultural impact far surpassed his—and even Marvel’s—expectations.

  “I don’t think anybody really was [prepared]… It really became a series of 23 films—culturally significant.” (33:50)

  • Describes fan interaction and Comic-Cons as highlights and feels humbled by the influence on children and fans.

  “If you’re going to be famous, go do it all the way, right?” (35:56)

  • Shares anecdotes about the “original six” Avengers’ tattoos and camaraderie.

11. Sliding Doors: The Boy Band that Never Was

• Rumor clarified:
  He was never offered Backstreet Boys but was approached for O-Town after being discovered at karaoke—an amusing “what if” moment in his career.

  “There was an inkling of it. Actually, but it was O town…” (37:43)

12. Final Thoughts: Advice on Life

• Concluding wisdom:
  Asked for a single piece of advice for listeners, Renner says:

  “You can do anything you want in your life. You are your only obstacle. Get out of your fucking way.” (42:15)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “It’s 15, 20% of my body at this point and it will be with me forever. It’s like half of my ribs.” – Jeremy Renner on his titanium implants (03:45)
• “I heard all the bones crack. I remember my head. That was pretty brutal…That’s part of my night terror that I revisit.” (06:19)
• “Our energy is always connected forever... and it’s beautiful, it’s wonderful.” – On his near-death experience (08:18)
• "All I had to do is get better. That's my only job." – On his recovery and his mother’s care (12:15)
• “Bare Necessities… you can’t have a bad day if that’s playing, right?” – On the power of music (16:09)
• “I’m not sitting at a desk bookkeeping right now. Not that that’s bad. I just know I’m doing what I want to be doing in my life.” (24:48)
• “You can do anything you want in your life. You are your only obstacle. Get out of your fucking way.” – Jeremy Renner’s closing advice (42:15)

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Timestamps for Major Segments

• [03:08] – Renner on his current state and mindset post-accident
• [03:40] – Titanium as cherished “possession”
• [04:12–07:25] – Graphic recounting of the snowplow accident and near-death experience
• [08:16–10:12] – Spiritual reflections on death and energy
• [12:05] – Mother’s role in recovery and emotional healing
• [12:45–14:52] – Lake Tahoe as “happy place”; community firefighting efforts
• [15:13–16:39] – The Jungle Book’s influence and shared viewing with his daughter
• [16:47–18:16] – Parenting after the accident and Ava’s growth
• [18:29–21:42] – Childhood memories in Yosemite with his father
• [24:26–25:21] – Early struggles in LA, the “donut diet,” and resilience
• [29:02–31:14] – The Hurt Locker, Anthony Mackie and Brian Garrity, and enduring friendship
• [33:41–36:51] – Marvel, Avengers, fame, and fan passion
• [37:35–39:02] – Clarifying the boy band rumor (O-Town)
• [39:22–41:50] – Beethoven’s Moonlight Sonata and family connections through music
• [42:15] – Renner’s closing advice: “Get out of your fucking way.”

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Final Takeaway

Jeremy Renner’s appearance on This Life of Mine is a testament to personal resilience, gratitude, and the enduring bonds of family, friendship, and art. Raw and often philosophical, Renner lays bare the reality of near-death, the humility of tough beginnings, and the joy found in love, community, and creation. For anyone, Renner’s reflection offers not just stories of Hollywood and heroics—but a powerful meditation on meaning, mortality, and the power of connection.

Transcript

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[Jeremy Renner]

Lemonade.

[Interviewer]

Hello and welcome to this Life of Mine. This is the show where our incredible guests pick the places, people, possessions, music and memories that have made them who they are. Joining me today is an actor I've always admired who went from surviving on cut price donuts in an LA apartment with no power to roles in two of the highest grossing movies of all time. He is a two time Academy Award nominee. He's played so many different roles from a serial killer to a bank robber, bomb disposal expert and assembled in the Avengers. He's known often for performing his own outrageous stunts, but he faced a real life fight for survival when he was involved in an incredibly serious accident at the start of 2023. His determination has seen him make the kind of recovery you might only get to see in the movies that he so often stars in. We have a lot to get through. Are you ready?

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Jeremy Renner]

Yes sir, I am.

[Interviewer]

Then take us away.

[Jeremy Renner]

I'm Jeremy Renner and welcome to this Life of Mine.

[Interviewer]

I'm going to ask you a question which I can only imagine you've been asked a lot, but how are you feeling?

[Jeremy Renner]

I am feeling it's different every day but I think generally is pretty joyous and thankful and Pretty happy, generally.

[Interviewer]

Well, this is a good place to be. So we're gonna talk today about a possession, a place, a piece of music. You've also got a movie you've chosen for us, which I'm very excited to talk about. But we're gonna start by talking about your accident. Because the possession that you've selected for us directly relates to that, doesn't it? Tell us what you've picked.

[Jeremy Renner]

Titanium.

[Interviewer]

Which, which titanium specifically?

[Jeremy Renner]

It's certainly not the watch. It's, it's, it's the, it's the 15, 20% of my body at this point and it will be with me forever. It's like half of my ribs. Right.

[Interviewer]

So these are titanium implants that are in your body, correct?

[Jeremy Renner]

A bunch of them, yeah.

[Interviewer]

Let's go back then to the moment the accident happened.

[Jeremy Renner]

Yes.

[Interviewer]

Before we get to this, is that okay?

[Jeremy Renner]

Sure, sure.

[Interviewer]

It's New Year's Day, 2023. Set the scene for me.

[Jeremy Renner]

You're in lake. We're kind of locked down in a giant three, four day storm.

[Interviewer]

Right.

[Jeremy Renner]

It happens often up there, but this is a pretty gnarly one. It was a like Snowmageddon. Everything was shut down. We were without power for two, three days. But we were all having fun. It's like 25 of us celebrating post Christmas into New Year's and New Year's Eve was, was pretty snowy and we finally got a break in the weather and like 8 to 10ft I think fell and so we had to go kind of clear some snow.

[Interviewer]

This is something you've done before?

[Jeremy Renner]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean this is a little bit more snow than typical.

[Interviewer]

Right.

[Jeremy Renner]

And then the power out, we're kind of used to that. But you know, going on the third day, it's starting to get not fun. So when the sun came out was great. Everybody's very, very happy. And I was gonna get the kids skiing.

[Interviewer]

So you go out in your snowplow.

[Jeremy Renner]

There was cars that they thought they could make it that got stuck, snowmobiles got stuck. So that really trapped us all in no matter what. So I had to get the snowcat. It was super reliable because it floats a little bit more on the snow. It's big like a tank. It's a big, big monstrous tank. And it's super, super dependable for this kind of stuff. So I kept pulling all the things out of the way of the driveway cuz they're all stuck. So once I got almost, almost all those out of the way, I was going to go then plow the driveway. But pulling the last truck out is where the accident happened.

[Interviewer]

And so what happened?

[Jeremy Renner]

Well, just pulling the. The truck off the drive, my driver is quite long. It's like almost half mile long. And pulling the. The truck with the snowcat, I was engaging with my nephew, and so he's kind of in front of it. I can't see him, so I have to step out to talk to him over it just to make sure he's clear. Or did he get the chain off or not? Right. And in doing so, we kept slipping on ice, and I hit the button that just popping it forward knocks me off this thing. And then it's now about to crush my nephew between the snowplow and the truck, which is about 10ft away. So I had to try to jump back on this thing, and in doing so, to try to hit the steering wheel to turn it off, I just got ripped underneath the whole thing, and the whole thing just ran over me. And then I was awake for. The whole thing was.

[Interviewer]

So you never lost consciousness?

[Jeremy Renner]

No, I mean, if I did. If I did, it would have been for a few seconds because I heard all the bones crack. I heard. I remember my head. That was. That was pretty brutal. I mean, that's. That's part of my night terror that I revisit.

[Interviewer]

I just assumed. I honestly just assumed when I'd seen or read snippets about it, that you got ripped up in the. Underneath the plow, and then I just imagined. And then you woke up in hospital.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Jeremy Renner]

No, no, no. I had to be awake. I had to be awake. Otherwise I would have been dead because I had to do all this forced breathing. Otherwise, if I didn't blow out and scream out air just to suck air back in. Didn't know I popped a lung that I noticed. Started noticing things, you know, my eyeballs out, for God's sakes, and my lung is struggling. And he had to hold my arm in a certain position because I didn't know what was broken. I just knew that I had to breathe. And then once I could figure out breathing, then I'll worry about the next stuff, you know, so breathing was obviously very important to do so. And then obviously had to be awake for that. I don't imagine I'd make it more than a minute if I was knocked out. I've been gone. But so thank goodness I was awake for it all.

[Interviewer]

I'm genuinely amazed that you're sat here to make a full recovery, let alone getting back to work.

[Jeremy Renner]

You're right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, I mean we're, we're already there. Huh. I don't, I can't see things in terms of other people's perspectives. Recovery was like a one way road. I wasn't going to come back from death, which I thought was glorious by the way.

[Interviewer]

Tell me more about that.

[Jeremy Renner]

What do you mean? You know, having near death experience. I was probably gone on the ice for a minute at least. On the ice meaning like that's where the accident happened. I was there for 45 minutes. I got pretty exhausted breathing. I started getting 18 beats per minute was my heart rate. And that's by moments from death. And that's. You kind of. You kind of fade, you know. I don't know if it's fading into consciousness or just fading out of like heart stoppage.

[Interviewer]

And what do you remember about that time?

[Jeremy Renner]

That everything. All life was grand. All life just got better. Everything you know and you love and loved in your life is a two way street now. And they're there with you. It's an energetic thing. There's no time, place or space or color or anything. It's just a known peace. And that peace was so glorious. I don't know why orgasmic pops into my bed. Cause it's not that stimulating. It's just like a peaceful excitement. It's hard to express like, you know, it's like when you're a kid at Disneyland or this or whatever, super, super excited sort of feeling you get. Christmas or whatever that might be like for somebody. It's just beautiful, exhilarating peace. There's never light or stuff. It's like if a muscle has strands, like light strands. I saw light strands that sort of connected me visually. There was a visual. It's that because you're just constantly connected, always forever. And then you come back out of it and kind of in disappointment say dang. And now I'm in this miserable broken body. Now I have to use all these words to express what's already happening out of this situation. Our energy is always connected forever. And there's no time continuum here. It certainly isn't linear. And it's beautiful, it's wonderful. And then to come back I had like, you know, sort of survivor's guilt about it because I was never afraid, mind you, of death prior. I wasn't like, I'm not a fearful man. I was always worked very hard in my life not to be driven by fear or have fear direct any decision I make in life. And death was not something I was ever afraid of. Now I'm really not afraid of now. I'm double downing. Yes. Certainly not afraid of it now. Kind of excited for it, to be honest, Is what life really is. This rock that we're spinning on and this body and this language that we're speaking and all these feelings and emotions and conflict is all horseshit.

[Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Jeremy Renner]

It's meaningless in the scheme of things.

[Interviewer]

Just saying your mom cared for you Right. Throughout your recovery. What was that like?

[Jeremy Renner]

I'm a firstborn son. The relationship kind of just reverting back, you know, to back. Almost infant, you know, almost infancy, probably. Probably more toddler, like. And then she had to, like, nurture me again back to health with my sister as well. Was big in that. And these are some of the most important people in my life or the most important people in my life. It takes so much responsibility for what I've emotionally caused my family, my friends, you know, because they're all there. And my mom wasn't there for the accident, but everybody else in my family was. Right. And like, it's New Year's Day. We're supposed to. Supposed to be a very different narrative and, you know, part of my words, but, like, I it up, you know, I. I think if on the other side of the coin, you know, if, like, my nephew have gotten hurt instead of me, you know, I know it's. It doesn't make sense. I know practically, it doesn't make sense, but I still feel it. And I see their faces and I aged. I'm sure I aged them, you know, and, you know, that's the last thing I want to do to my mom. I want her around longer. But in the healing, the emotional healing, the physical healing, she's starting to look younger now. Just same for my daughter is the better I got, the better they got. But with my mom, you know, it was every day. Every day until I was up and walking and putting my own shots in me and my. Getting my own protein shakes and whatever. And then she's just like, I think it's time for me to go. I'm like, I know. I don't want you to go, though.

[Interviewer]

It was.

[Jeremy Renner]

You know what I mean? It's like I wanted her to be around. I didn't want her to. I felt like I had the greatest roommate, you know, Life was so wonderfully simple. All I had to do is get better.

[Interviewer]

James.

[Jeremy Renner]

That's my only job.

[Interviewer]

Yeah. Let's talk about your place. Yeah. Tell us the place that you've chosen as being significant and special in your life.

[Jeremy Renner]

So many. Oh, yeah. That's my happy place. Happy place is Lake Tahoe now. Yeah.

[Interviewer]

Forgive me if I'm wrong, but the happy place is the place where we were just talking about the horrific accident.

[Jeremy Renner]

Exactly.

[Interviewer]

And.

[Jeremy Renner]

Exactly.

[Interviewer]

And it still remains your happy place. I've never been. Tell me about it. What's it like? What makes it so special as a place for you?

[Jeremy Renner]

For me, it's. I started skiing there as a Kid and there's 20 ski resorts in the Sierra Nevada around this lake that's split between California and Nevada. And it's at 6,300ft elevation. The water's just crystal, crystal blue. It's majestic in the water, majestic from the mountains. It's a four season town. It's just big enough to be exciting and small enough to have real, real sense of community. And so I get really invested in the community because you can. And it's a lot of fun. I mean, there's. And if you outdoors, there's, you know, tons of hiking and great trails and then there's skiing and then there's inner tubing and the snow. There's so many, like, sports activities that you can do throughout the year.

[Interviewer]

And I'd be useless. I'd be useless as somewhere with that much snow. I'd be. I get. I can't. The layers, it's the level of layers, it's the. Cause if you're my frame, what you don't want to do is add puffier clothing like it is. It just becomes awful. But I do, I do love that you mentioned the sense of community because you, you're involved in the fire service in the area, right?

[Jeremy Renner]

Yeah, yeah, in a way, yeah.

[Interviewer]

What do you mean?

[Jeremy Renner]

Well, I got involved initially from. I bought a fire truck. So I was buying other construction equipment because I'm always building. And then I bought a fire truck and decided I didn't want that to go to waste, so I repurposed it. And I also wanted to have my own fire station up because there's still 20 some odd houses where I live.

[Podcast Host]

Right.

[Jeremy Renner]

And we get fires up there all the time. So yeah, I love it, man. And I also just, I just love big rigs and yeah, I got to learn and play and, you know, it's.

[Interviewer]

Far from Lake Tahoe. Did you grow up? How far away were you?

[Jeremy Renner]

Oh, initially I was probably like three hours away, right. In Modesto, California. And then I moved there when I was an adult. Probably like 10 years ago. I moved there. Right now. That's my main residence for the last decade. And that's when I really got heavily involved in community and, you know, really living there and being there and understanding the place in space.

[Interviewer]

Let's move on to your next choice. And this is something I've been really intrigued by because we really wanted you to pick a film for us. And last night I was thinking, I was wondering, I wonder what Jeremy's gonna choose. And I have to say, I never thought you'd have chosen this, but I love the movie that you've gone for. Tell us the film you've picked as being significant in your life.

[Jeremy Renner]

I chose a jungle book, the 1967 animated, which is the original. The original, original, original, yeah, yeah.

[Interviewer]

Which was released a few years before you were born.

[Jeremy Renner]

Yeah.

[Interviewer]

How many times do you think you've watched this film?

[Jeremy Renner]

500.

[Interviewer]

500 times, easy.

[Jeremy Renner]

Yeah.

[Interviewer]

So why? What is it about it that's so important to you?

[Jeremy Renner]

Yeah, I watch. I remember watching it young, you know, I remember memories with my dad. I'd play Mowgli and he'd be baloo. My dad was very baloo, like energetically. The music always caught me. It's very, very fun. Very animated music. And then I started playing music as I got older. And then Bare Necessity is one of the first songs I wanted to learn. Look for the bare necessities the simple.

[Interviewer]

Bare necessities Forget about your worries and.

[Jeremy Renner]

Your strife I mean, the bare necessities.

[Interviewer]

Are mother Nature's recipes that bring the.

[Jeremy Renner]

Bare necessities of life. Yeah, man, you can't have a bad day if that's playing right.

[Interviewer]

You're right.

[Jeremy Renner]

You just, you can't be in a bad mood. And if you are, put that on. It's like, you know what I mean? It's gonna change your, your, your attitude.

[Interviewer]

Is Bare Necessities your favorite song from the film?

[Jeremy Renner]

Yeah, I would think so. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, if I had to pick one, it would be that one for sure.

[Interviewer]

Have you introduced Ava, your daughter, to the film?

[Jeremy Renner]

Oh, yes, of course. Yeah, yeah. When she was very, very young.

[Interviewer]

Does she like it as much?

[Jeremy Renner]

Yeah, yeah, for sure. Yeah, yeah.

[Interviewer]

How has your relationship as a father changed post the accident?

[Jeremy Renner]

It was always very, very intimate and adult and connected and fun. It's just deepened again those things that you see real. My daughter's very, very strong and self policing and artistic and all these things. She's just an exceptional human. Like, totally cool. If, like, if I would have gone, like I would known that my daughter been fine and she's gonna be an exceptional human. Right.

[Interviewer]

Wow.

[Jeremy Renner]

I'm just glad to Be back here to now witness and share it with her. But there's hiccups and chinks in the armor that I would see. I didn't tell her that I died or near died. I told her all that happened. But she saw me 14 days after the accident when I got back from both ICUs, and I just told her to wait for me. If you wait for me, you'll see that all these bones are going to heal and daddy's going to be just fine. I'll be able to throw you around in the pool, you jump on my back and, you know, all that stuff. She again, like my mom and my sisters and my whole family, everybody. I was better I got the better my daughter got. And she just. When my daughter. When you said she's proud of you. Right, but proud of me for, like, walking up the stairs to go to the parent teacher conference. You know what I mean? Like, there's a, like a real empathy, a real sensitivity, emotional intelligence. You're watching this grow and fester inside of her because of this accident. It's a beautiful, beautiful thing.

[Interviewer]

Ultimately, let's leave Ava's childhood and go to your childhood. Move on to your memory.

[Jeremy Renner]

Ah.

[Interviewer]

What's the memory that you wanted to share with us today?

[Jeremy Renner]

I'd be hiking with my dad in Yosemite.

[Interviewer]

Go on, tell me about hiking with your dad.

[Jeremy Renner]

That is a huge, huge part of my childhood, especially with when my parents were separated at this point. And for my sister and I, the exposure to Yosemite national park was kind of our backyard. And if anybody's been there, it is the most exquisite piece of architecture that the planet really kind of has to offer in my mind. And I've been seeing a lot of places and there's just beautiful places, but I emotionally connected to Yosemite National Park. You know, not a religious man here, but when you see that, you know, a piece of granite that big and you see how small you are and how irrelevant your stress is, and it's, It's. You know, I was learning that at a very young age. This is like probably 8 years old. 8 to like 18. There's a lot of years spent there and time spent there. And this is like, don't get me wrong, I love computers and gaming and doing all that stuff just like any other kid. But, like, you know, this would have got me off the iPad, if you will.

[Interviewer]

Sure.

[Jeremy Renner]

You know what I mean? Intimate conversations while we go on all these things. We went every stuff.

[Interviewer]

Would you talk about you and your dad?

[Jeremy Renner]

Oh, wow. My dad was very emotionally available. He kind of implemented a lot of, like, the idea of emotional intelligence. Like, this is like 9, 10 years old and we're having conversations about this or music. He's the one that introduced me to a lot of music. That became our relationship and our culture just with my dad, my sister Kim, who was only three years younger than me, and then my father. So when we were together, those shared experiences of, like, going to see the Doobie Brothers. Like, I remember for Christmas one year, my dad gave us an option. You can either go to Disneyland or go see the Doobie Brothers in San Francisco. And both Kim, and I'm like nine and she's like seven. Like, oh, dude. Brothers in San Francisco. Heck, yeah. Way better. You know, just that kind of. He put that upon us. Right. We chose it, but he put that. That landscape in front of us. Right.

[Interviewer]

This also cements something I've always said, which is now I really understands a parent, which is all parent and child conversations are their absolute best. If they happen side by side whilst you're doing something.

[Jeremy Renner]

Yeah, yeah, like, sure.

[Interviewer]

I remember, you know, I think my dad, when he took my sister out to talk about boys and the birds and the bees, it was in the car. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And he timed it just right. So he knew right about probably about a 3 minute chat. By the time we finished, we can pull up in the driveway and be like, good, good.

[Jeremy Renner]

Now they go.

[Interviewer]

Wasn't it your dad who encouraged you to act?

[Jeremy Renner]

Yeah, well, he took me to plays because he was. When my parents got divorced, I was probably 8 years old and he started going into his higher education because of that, in that time. And then he'd take me to theater at the school, but not as any sort of just exposure to different things. My dad and mom both were really great about just putting a bunch of things in front of us, see what kind of sticks. Acting is just something I discovered in college in Modesto, just by figuring out, you know, need to fill up some credits just sort of by accident.

[Interviewer]

And this was in the theater?

[Jeremy Renner]

Yes. Yeah, yeah.

[Interviewer]

What sort of roles were you playing on stage?

[Jeremy Renner]

There was Scarecrow and the wizard of Oz.

[Interviewer]

Oh, I would love to see your Scarecrow.

[Jeremy Renner]

I have it somewhere. It's. And that was awesome. And I got obviously sort of bit by the bug, if you will, and then dropped everything I was doing and became a psychology and theater double major. And then after, like, probably four years of doing theater, then I'm like, all right, well, I guess, Pops, I got to go down to I gotta leave. He's like, what do you mean? I'm taking it seriously. Right?

[Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Jeremy Renner]

Because I came down to Los Angeles. Right. They were all very, very supportive and also very surprised. You know, still to this day. You know, my dad, I remember he went to the Dahmer premiere, and he wouldn't come near me after the movie. Saw the movie. Yeah. He's like, oh, my God, that's my son.

[Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Jeremy Renner]

What's going on? Right.

[Interviewer]

You said that the stage was a safe place for me as a man with a lot of feeling inside, which I had not exposed before.

[Jeremy Renner]

Yeah.

[Interviewer]

What did you mean by that?

[Jeremy Renner]

Yeah. It's like therapy in a way. Right. I always held things close. Right. I was a very happy kid, but if I had any feelings, I just didn't give it much value or feelings outside of being happy or just getting, you know, I was pretty carefree. I was, like, playing the drums and bowling or chasing girls or whatever the heck it was as a young kid. But once I got to the stage, I'm also in roles that are, you know, I was playing Conrad Jarrett in Ordinary People. Right. That's a pretty harrowing place to kind of exist. Right. If people don't know it's about, you know, depression and suicide and suicide attempts and loneliness, and these are very dark bullet points to kind of hit in your life and to explore those things. I get to be somebody else to explore these kind of feelings safely because, oh, they're not my feelings, or I'm not having any of these thoughts or feelings. But it's a great way to purge emotions that are probably festering anyway, as a young teenager.

[Interviewer]

Right.

[Jeremy Renner]

And I always play kind of darker characters, or there's always just ways to kind of explore emotions safely because you are somebody else. You're either dressed up in a bunch of straw or whatever, but you can express all these feelings. And there's a lot to learn in that. It's like a pressure release valve for your emotional body.

[Interviewer]

Sure.

[Jeremy Renner]

To go play in a character and then leave that character behind and go live your life. Right. It's like I get to release stuff in a very healthy way.

[Interviewer]

How old were you when you moved to LA? Early 20s.

[Jeremy Renner]

Right. 22. 21. 22.

[Interviewer]

So what was that time like? Because you said that you lived without electricity at points, you worked a myriad of different jobs. And this is maybe the most impressive thing about all of this. You would buy 14 donuts for 99 cents, and that would last you a week.

[Jeremy Renner]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yum, yum. Donuts. Yeah, I just eat on $5 a month for a time there. And, you know, they weren't great times, but they're also very beautifully intimate and kind of compared to, like, sort of recovery. There's kind of only one way to go here. Like, I tell my mom because she was kind of worried. I'm like, look, it sucks. And be honest with you. Yeah, this sucks.

[Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Jeremy Renner]

You know, I. I don't want to be eating 14 donut holes for my meals, but it doesn't suck. I'm not sitting at a desk bookkeeping right now. Not that that's bad. I just know I'm doing what I want to be doing in my life. It's just not going great right now. I'm clear about what I love, and I'm taking actionable steps to manifest that. I just don't have it right now, but I love that I'm in love with something and I'm passionate about something and I'm great at something and I'm working towards it. So it's.

[Interviewer]

How did you know you were great at it?

[Jeremy Renner]

I believe acting is. You have to believe in something. I believe in myself or I believe in my ability to convey something. Confidence was a big ally for me. Same for recovery. My confidence in my mind, in my heart, my sports system, all that, it has to come from somewhere. It's a belief. You mentioned it earlier. Is it gravity? Is it leadership? I don't know what those are. I don't care about the label on it, but I know what it is, and I know I have to take the step, to take another step. And then it's called walking. And I got to take a breath and then suck in and suck out, and it's called breathing. And then move forward to the next thing.

[Interviewer]

And that's how you felt at this point? Because I think.

[Jeremy Renner]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Interviewer]

A lot of people, when you get to sort of 30.

[Jeremy Renner]

Yeah.

[Interviewer]

In that time, would be like, this isn't going to work out. There's other stuff.

[Jeremy Renner]

Yeah. And that's when it was for me. It was that time, you know, because I'd been in town for a while. I gave myself 11 years. I already achieved what I wanted to achieve in the first year and a half. The first initial goals I gave myself. I want to be in a film. A film big enough to play in Modesto, California, and a role big enough that I didn't have to tell you what role I was. And I got the lead of National Lampoon Senior Trip.

[Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Jeremy Renner]

And like, all right, we're Done. So I had to recalibrate my goals to something else. So I kind of struggled in and out of, like you said, roles and doing things. And then it got to the point right before Dahmer happened, it's like, yeah, I was really, really struggling, but there was no, oh, I'm gonna leave now, almost in stride of kind of what I was doing in life. Right. I was really happy. I just didn't have any money. It was a lull. It was, like, for a year and a half. And it's a long year and a half of eating on $5 a month. But like I said, it taught me a lot. It really dug in my heels. And then comes great opportunities. Like, Dahmer came around and, you know, still struggling through that time. Struggling. It wasn't until swat, where money was a little bit easier coming in and I didn't have to worry about the lights, you know, Dude, I went to Oscars. My mom. I had no running water to brush my teeth at a Starbucks.

[Interviewer]

No. Yeah, stop.

[Jeremy Renner]

But we owned a home at that time. It was in the middle of construction. No plumbing. There's no nothing. So I literally had to tell the limo driver to pull over to a Starbucks. They had a bathroom, go brush my teeth, and go hit the red carpet.

[Interviewer]

There's so many incredible films that you've done in your career, but I really want to talk to you about the Hurt Locker.

[Jeremy Renner]

Yeah.

[Interviewer]

Because I think it is safe to say that that film changed your life.

[Anthony Mackie]

J.T. sandball, my man.

[Interviewer]

Oh, hey, hey, hey.

[Jeremy Renner]

Will, tell me.

[Anthony Mackie]

Well, welcome to Bravo Company. Welcome to Camp Victor.

[Jeremy Renner]

Camp Victory. This was Camp Liberty?

[Anthony Mackie]

Oh, no, they changed that about a week ago. Victory sound better?

[Interviewer]

When you signed up for the film, did you have any idea that it was going to be as big as it was?

[Jeremy Renner]

No, no, no. I mean, I'd say, to me, it was a great opportunity. And then by the end of filming it, I thought, like, all right, that was harrowing and intense and amazing, but no one's gonna see this.

[Minnie Driver]

Really?

[Jeremy Renner]

Really? Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

Why?

[Interviewer]

Why did you think? No one.

[Jeremy Renner]

I thought, you know, I think maybe it's, you know, me and Anthony Mackie and Brian Garrity, we're all talking. It's like, what is this gonna be? Maybe, like a series. Maybe it's like a miniseries or something out of it. We knew what we did. We knew we turned in. We knew what we experienced. But I was always excited about it. I was always like, I learned so much, and I got so much and share so much with so many People like life changing stuff. You know, we're shooting this, you know, Iraq war movie during the Iraq War. I'm just a kid from Modesto, California. Like there's a lot of new stuff happening for me and I'm not. I trained for a year, year and a half almost of how to build bombs and how to render them safe. I got really good at it.

[Interviewer]

I can remember going to watch it at the High Wycombe 6 multiplex and just being like floored by it. I can remember it like it was yesterday. Yeah, it's an amazing film and it's also bought us to your person. Now on this life of mine, we ask everybody to give us a person that they might want to talk about who's significant in their life. And you've given us two people here directly linked to the Hurt Locker.

[Jeremy Renner]

Yeah.

[Interviewer]

Tell us the people that you have chosen that you wanted to talk about today.

[Jeremy Renner]

Anthony Mackey and Brian Garrity, who I think probably more chose me. They've affected my life in unexpected ways. We should have just been guys working together or whatever. It's become far beyond that. For example, one of the first people at my hospital bed was Anthony Mackey. His accident, he was in Vegas, he shot over. He's the first person I saw when I woke up. And we don't talk all the time. We're not like hanging out all the time. We have. Because the problem with having actor friends, everyone's so busy and now we're all parents and we never see each other, barely talk to each other. But the connectedness that we have is an always thing, you know, with Catherine, Mark and everybody, you know, in that. But like especially these guys I was with all the time, on and off camera. We're just always together. And also like, you also understand too, like this is a strange part of the world that I just opened my eyes to a lot. You know, we're going to Petra and Wadi Rum and the Red Sea and the Dead Sea and like all these like cool places while there's war going on and learning. We're just absorbing all this stuff and like that's also exhilarating. That is connected with nobody else in this world than those two men. But having that shared experience with somebody, that's so, that's, that was so life changing. It just cements or anchors. One of the very principles that I desire in life is a shared experience with a human. That's all I want for the rest of my life. It doesn't have to be a great experience. It could Be a shitty one, but at least it's, you know, a really good shitty one with somebody.

[Interviewer]

No, I understand.

[Jeremy Renner]

You know, I mean, it's.

[Interviewer]

And.

[Jeremy Renner]

And it's something that Brian and Anthony will never have with anybody else either. I don't even have to talk to them about this. You know, it's just a. It's a wonderful bond.

[Interviewer]

We reached out to Anthony and Brian and we told them that you chosen them.

[Jeremy Renner]

Oh, really?

[Interviewer]

They were honored and they wanted to send you this message.

[Jeremy Renner]

Oh, really?

[Interviewer]

This in here?

[Anthony Mackie]

No.

[Jeremy Renner]

Yo, Runner, you're in the middle of.

[Anthony Mackie]

A podcast right now, and all of a sudden my video is going to come up and you're gonna be like, what the.

[Interviewer]

Yeah, dude.

[Anthony Mackie]

I'm here in Malibu and I'm at my house and I'm making a video to tell you that I love you, dude. Not only am I gonna tell you that I love you, I'm gonna tell you some specifics about our experience and the experience making the movie because of you. You are number one. You are our leader. You are fearless leader. And you did it with grace and humor and you showed up and did the work and you led by example and we followed. And I'm forever grateful for that, man. There was before that movie the Hurt Locker and there was after, and our lives have changed and I just feel like you're one of my brothers and I've felt like that since week two and knowing you. So I love you very much. I'm so happy to see you doing so well and hope to see you soon, man. Love you. Hey, Renner. What's up, man? Heard you doing the show. They talking about your life. It's funny. We've gone from you dancing and Fire on the Floor and Jordan to us both being avengers to you being the world renowned cyborg. You're like a cockroach, man. So they have to book in your life with your story. We're almost 25 years in of knowing each other.

[Jeremy Renner]

Insane, dude. It's insane.

[Anthony Mackie]

You know, whenever I see you, whenever I need somebody to talk to, whenever I just bump into you, you know, it's the same two guys in the desert trying to stay alive, waiting to taste some Mackie rum. Love you, brother.

[Podcast Host]

Enjoy.

[Jeremy Renner]

Love you, man. Oh, man. That's it. You know what? That is too. It's forever in perpetuity, man. You know, and that's, you know, circle back to love, right? You know, like real love. It's, it's, it's. It's intimate, it's beautiful and it's Forever and Strong.

[Interviewer]

You know, you formed lots of close bonds with actors and cast that you're in. You and Robert Downey Jr. And Scarlett Hansen.

[Jeremy Renner]

Yeah.

[Interviewer]

Chris Hemsworth and Chris Evans.

[Jeremy Renner]

Oh, yeah.

[Interviewer]

You've got matching Avengers tattoos, which seems like an equally merry band of performers. I mean.

[Jeremy Renner]

Yeah.

[Interviewer]

The Avengers movies are so big. They're big in a way that I can only imagine is overwhelming.

[Jeremy Renner]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Interviewer]

Two of those movies are in the top 10 grossing movies of all time. Were you ready for how insanely big the Avengers was going to be?

[Jeremy Renner]

I know how. No, I don't think anybody really was. We had an idea that maybe it's exciting to get everybody. All these guys together, but, like, Feige was like, I don't know, is this going to work? We'll figure it out. You know, they had Iron man, and we're trying to figure it out. So, no, I don't think anybody was prepared, but, like, how it took off and how it really became a series of 23 films. Wow. It's. I mean, that is, you know, culturally significant. Yeah. That's like, oh, you're in the center of pop culture. Yeah. It's like, yeah, like, okay, I didn't know. I mean, I just complained about I don't want to be 50 years old in tights. Right. Like, don't make me do that. But, like, now it's become, like, such a bigger thing, and the blessings that have come from it are just beyond, you know, from enjoying being a celebrity that can have a real effect to kids. Like, that is huge for me. Right. Or the bond I have with the original six adventures. Like, we've been through divorces and marriages and kids and all sorts of different things that have happened in our lives over the last 11 years.

[Interviewer]

Whose idea was the tattoo?

[Jeremy Renner]

I think we had danced with the idea of a couple times, but then it really came down. I know Downey's the one that really pushed it through. I think Scarlett and Chris got it done first in New York, and then Downey hosted at his house, the same artist to come down and get me and Hemsworth and Downey together. Ruffalo was the only one who didn't want to do it. And we said, look, we can be replaced. We're going to get Eric Bana. We're going to get one of the other Hulks. You know what I mean? Norton, come on in. We teased him a heck of a lot about it, but, you know, we respect him. But, like, he should have did it. Should have did it, buddy.

[Interviewer]

Were you ready for the Incredible passion of Marvel fans. It must have been a life changing feeling pre. Being an Avenger to post, being an event.

[Jeremy Renner]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's.

[Interviewer]

You're in a movie like the Hurt Locker and huge respect.

[Jeremy Renner]

Yeah.

[Interviewer]

New York.

[Jeremy Renner]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Interviewer]

London, Chicago, you know? But the Avengers is a. I think a level of fame, which I imagine can be daunting.

[Jeremy Renner]

Yeah, it's. But I guess if you're gonna be famous, go do it all the way, right?

[Interviewer]

Sure. Okay.

[Jeremy Renner]

Yeah. You know what I mean? It's like, all right. You know, if you're gonna be known, be known everywhere. I don't know. To me, it's like the fans are really. Is the coolest thing about it. Right? I love going to Comic Cons. To me, I love engaging with fans. They teach me about the passion and love for the movies that we're doing. I'm just there sort of trying to help tell the narrative and keep it grounded and do all those things. But the. The real love and passion for it is, like, that's where you want to go see movies in the theater. That's where the theater experience will never go away. When you have movies like that, like, wow, I'd watch them once. I can't really watch the movies I'm in, but I'll watch it once. But I'll go watch it with the fans. I'm like, wow, dude. Like, why watch Endgame? I. Oh, my God.

[Interviewer]

Yeah. I can't imagine what that was like, dude. So watch that. I mean, that's anticipation for that film.

[Jeremy Renner]

I mean, I've never cried so much. I never laughed so hard. I'm surrounded by everyone I know and love, and it's just like, what is this? What's happening? What is happening right now? And I just felt like I was a part of something pretty. Pretty beautiful. It's just that when lightning strikes, man, it's. It's never felt so good when lightning strikes.

[Interviewer]

Well, lightning could have struck in a very different way. I want you to tell me if this is true. There's rumors, which I very rarely believe, but I want to get to the source rumors that you were invited to join what turned out to be a very, very successful boy band. Is this true? And was that band the Backstreet Boys?

[Jeremy Renner]

I know it wasn't. Wasn't the Backstreet Boys.

[Interviewer]

It wasn't the Backstreet.

[Jeremy Renner]

It wasn't the Backstreet Boys.

[Interviewer]

I was so certain it was the Backstreet Boys.

[Jeremy Renner]

Go on.

[Interviewer]

Is it true?

[Jeremy Renner]

Ye. There was an inkling of it. Actually, but it was O town.

[Podcast Host]

Stop.

[Interviewer]

No. Are you serious?

[Jeremy Renner]

Otherwise, how would I know O town?

[Interviewer]

Dude, you could have been in O town.

[Jeremy Renner]

It was a. An idea of. Of that, you know, because I sang karaoke sort of as a. As my social life because I was always so broke, right? So I got recognized and noticed in there, and people. This is blowing my mind in that circuit. And you're like, hey, X amount of people can sing really well. Maybe Lou Perlman, one of his friends, was also a really great singer. He's like, oh, I know a lot of young, great young guy singers. He's like, all right, give me their name and numbers, whatever. So she's like, hey, want. You know, this is happening. Blah, blah, blah. I'm like, I don't know anything. I'm so out of the pop culture. Anything that's going on, you could have. I can't have. I don't have electricity at this point, so I don't know anything that's going on, dude. So all I know is they. I had a. I sang on the phone. He's like, what do you want me to sing? You want me to sing something I wrote or send me. Oh, you're a writer too? Like, yeah, yeah, I sang a quick little something. He's like, we're gonna get you a flight and come on out to. It was Florida, I think, at the time. I don't know what's going on. I just got out of the shower. I was naked. I was wrapped in a towel. I'm on the phone and I'm singing.

[Interviewer]

Like, you're ready for a boy band. Naked with the waist up.

[Jeremy Renner]

Yeah. I mean, thanks for the opportunity I got. I gotta, like, dry off first and let me figure this out. But. But thanks, I appreciate it. So, yeah, the rumor's kind of true.

[Interviewer]

But you could have sung on the song Liquid Dreams, which I still can't believe is a song that exists.

[Jeremy Renner]

Yeah, see, there's. You know, this is me making my life choice.

[Interviewer]

Sliding doors, huh?

[Jeremy Renner]

Yeah.

[Interviewer]

Well, let's stick with music. Yeah, yeah, let's stick with music. And tell us the piece of music that you've chosen for us today.

[Jeremy Renner]

Oh, my piece of music is Moonlight Sonata. Without question.

[Interviewer]

Why Beethoven's Moonlight Sonata?

[Jeremy Renner]

Because if you have to pick one song, to me, let's go with one without lyrics, but. Speaks volumes. It's beautiful. It's intimate. It's one of the songs I first wanted to play in the piano. Bare Necessities was the one I first played. It probably steered me into how I songwrite into styles of music that I love, even though obviously I love rock and blues and all these other things. There's so many wonderful songs, but this is a piece of art, an audio piece of art, just like y. These things that stand the test of time and will keep going on beyond time. It's beautiful. It's something I'm personally connected to because of my love for it, that song, because it's also what I. I put on Sunny's who. Who's the mother of Ava on the belly and played Moonlight Sonata throughout the pregnancy.

[Interviewer]

Right.

[Jeremy Renner]

And then when she came out, the baby got a little upset, and then I played Moonlight Sonata and then stopped crying. I'm like, okay, wow, this maybe this familiar sound. We listened to Moonlight Sonata every night for the first time, two and a half years of her life. Instead of reading a book, we would listen to Moonlight Sonata. So the connection to Moonlight Sonata is huge now. My daughter's now 10, but she learned to play it at about 7 years old. I was so jealous. So I'm watching her, like, maybe she could teach me. But she learned. And I remember her learning this song. I'm like, look how full circle this is, man, already. And she's only like seven or eight at the time. I mean, she's now playing this song that she was birthed to, and then we listened to every day and then how it. Where it came from for me in my life. But I'm much more connected to Moonlight Sonata because of my relationship with my daughter. And if you ask my daughter, she'd tell you the same thing. What a beautiful connection that's done through a piece of audio, you know, a piece of music.

[Interviewer]

I don't want to put you on the spot, but I feel for some reason compelled to ask you this, that knowing what you know now about life and death, if there was one thing you would want the people listening to this to know and take forward with them into their day, what would you want them to know?

[Jeremy Renner]

You can do anything you want in your life. You are your only obstacle. Get out of your fucking way.

[Interviewer]

Jeremy Renner, your prized possession. It's your titanium implants. Your place is your home in Lake Tahoe.

[Anthony Mackie]

Yeah.

[Interviewer]

Your film is the Jungle Book. Yeah. Your memory is hiking with your dad in Yosemite.

[Jeremy Renner]

Yeah.

[Interviewer]

Your people are Anthony Mackie and Brian Gerrity. Your music, Beethoven's Moonlight Sonata. Jeremy Renner, thank you for sharing this life of yours. It's an absolute privilege. Next week is this.

[Minnie Driver]

I am Minnie Driver. Welcome to this life of mine. I'm absolutely 1000% done with allowing an industry or an idea or anything that I make to sort of rule my mental health and the way that I feel. I actually moved to Hawaii and I just surfed and I played music and completely and utterly disengaged from all of it. The producer of the Oscars came in one day and was like, you're not singing at the Oscars anymore. Like Beyonce singing your song at the Oscar Lehigh. Give a like, whatever. She's Beyonce. And I was sad at my reaction. I was sad that I cared so much, but I couldn't let it go and I was devastated. We'd invariably meet at the end of these mad raves up the A40.

[Interviewer]

Up the A40 is not a club. It's not a euphemism for anything. It's what you would call a freeway. It's a bit like saying I met her up the 101, which then also for British listeners, is also not a euphemism.

[Jeremy Renner]

Oh.

[Interviewer]

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