#618 - Sam and Colby

Summary

Podcast Summary

Podcast: This Past Weekend w/ Theo Von
Episode: #618 – Sam and Colby
Date: October 17, 2025
Guests: Sam and Colby, Paranormal Investigators

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Episode Overview

Theo Von welcomes Sam and Colby, famed paranormal explorers and YouTube sensations, for an in-depth, funny, and at times philosophical conversation about ghost hunting, faith, the intersection of science and the supernatural, and their travels to the world’s most haunted locations. The episode explores how their friendship began, how their content evolved from pranks to paranormal deep dives, and what they’ve learned along the way—about the world and themselves.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

Sam and Colby’s Origin Story

• Meeting and Motivation
  • Met as teenagers in Kansas at band camp, later bonded over winning school awards and their desire to break from the “normal Kansas route.”
  • “We just really didn’t think that was for us.” —Colby (04:32)
• Rise in Social Media
  • Started with Vine and social pranks before transitioning to exploring abandoned and haunted places.
  • “We didn’t know there was money in it.” —Sam (06:08)
  • Their goal was to escape Kansas and find a voice and adventure through content creation.

Transition to Paranormal Investigations

• From Abandoned to Haunted
  • Early videos featured illegal explorations of abandoned sites—led to their arrest (08:27).
  • The move to haunted locations was initially for fun and skepticism, but inexplicable experiences changed their perspective.
  • Notable Quote: “We thought it would be great... let’s see if there’s a ghost there. That’s funny... but then things started happening.” —Colby (08:43)

The Queen Mary Experience (Long Beach, CA)

[20:30–22:22]

• Turning Point
  • Initially skeptical, their overnight on the ship produced unexplained knocks, faucets turning on, and eventually, a transformative experience (10:12).
  • Notable Quote: “That night completely changed my life. It made me religious.” —Colby (11:22)
• On Faith and Openness
  • Theo draws a parallel between ghost hunting and faith, noting that a willingness to meet the unknown halfway can yield powerful experiences.
  • Sam elaborates on reconciling his Christian faith with the paranormal: “For me, it was more just... securing my beliefs” (12:32).
  • Key Insight: The willingness to believe is central to encountering the unexplainable.

The Philosophy of Belief and Skepticism

[12:49–16:05]

• Belief and the Afterlife
  • Discuss how skepticism blocks experiences, and how faith and openness invite them.
  • Connection between childhood openness and frequency of encounters.
  • Quote: “If you go into a haunted house and you’re super skeptical and you don’t think something’s gonna happen…you’re never gonna get it.” —Colby (13:05)
• Science and Near-Death Experiences
  • Theo references Dr. Jeffrey Long’s NDE research as giving him scientific “stair steps” to believe there is more than this life (16:05).

Tools and Methodology of Paranormal Hunting

[24:51–27:16]

• Technologies Used
  • EMF readers to detect electromagnetic fields produced by living and non-living things.
  • Everyday objects (cat toys, flashlights) for spirits to interact with—emphasizing accessibility.
  • Quote: “At the end of the day, you are the equipment.” —Sam (27:30)
• Importance of the Participant
  • Bringing in guests as “independent variables” to add credibility and new perspectives (28:44).

Notable Hauntings and Investigations

Pendle Hill Witch Trials, UK

[34:12–38:40]

• History and Darkness
  • Site of infamous 1612 witch trials. Generations of energy focused on the demonic was “one of the most terrifying things we’ve ever done.” —Colby
• Summoning Rituals
  • Brought a modern witch to attempt contact with “the actual devil.”

Paris Catacombs (France)

[40:11–47:45]

• Description
  • 200 miles of underground tunnels, millions of human bones, ritual and bone rooms—"mirror of Paris."
  • Navigational dangers (getting lost, criminals) added to supernatural danger.
  • Remarkable Quote: “Imagine you’re sitting there underground next to thousands of skeletons, and you ask to a voice recorder, 'Are you dead or alive?'... there's a new voice saying, 'I’m alive.'” —Colby (49:02)

The Smurl House and Modern Hauntings

[66:09–74:07]

• Demonic Hauntings
  • Ed & Lorraine Warren investigated; stories of physical and sexual assault by a demonic entity.
  • Sam and Colby were the first since the Warrens to officially investigate.
  • Utilized “real” spirit boards with priestesses for communication.

Other Haunted Sites

[78:05–82:00]

• Winchester Mystery House (San Jose, CA): Said to be a “Grand Central station for spirits.”
• Trans Allegheny Lunatic Asylum (West Virginia): Largest psychiatric hospital with reports of hauntings and disembodied voices.
• Farrar Elementary (Iowa): A school now run by Sam and Colby as a haunted location for tours.

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Memorable Quotes & Moments

• Theo, on Faith and Exploration:
  “We alone are supernatural.” (32:19)
• On Why Some Experiences Hit Harder:
  Sam describes struggling to reconcile his Christian faith with participating in occult rituals:
  “It's beyond YouTube videos... you are meddling in some stuff ... with my faith.” —Sam (51:07)
• Theo’s Wry Observations:
  “People could beg for ... someone from the afterlife... then they hear a weird knock at the door, and instead they call the police.” (14:15)
• Paranormal Humor:
  “You guys are talking to some low-level spirits.” —Theo, joking about spirit hierarchies (29:27)
• Introspective Wrap-Up:
  “It surprised me because ... I want something to be here. ... How can I show up to receive the best things that are out there?” —Theo (84:17)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

| Timestamp | Segment Description | |-----------|------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | 03:07 | The universal fascination with the afterlife and spirits | | 08:27 | Why Sam and Colby switched from abandoned to haunted locations; legal issues | | 10:12 | The Queen Mary incident changes Colby's life and worldview | | 12:49 | Parallels between faith, skepticism, and paranormal experiences | | 16:05 | Theo’s reflections on faith, near-death experiences, and DMT | | 24:51 | Overview of Sam and Colby’s ghost hunting gear | | 34:12 | Pendle Hill and the demonic focus of UK witch trials | | 40:11 | Paris Catacombs: dangers, hauntings, and remarkable voice recorder evidence | | 66:09 | The Smurl House/Demonic hauntings, modern day investigation, spirit boards | | 78:05 | The Winchester Mystery House and Trans Allegheny Lunatic Asylum |

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Tone and Dynamics

The conversation balances humor and depth, with Theo riffing on spirituality, pop culture, and daily life, while Sam and Colby provide candid, sometimes vulnerable insights into their journey. Their camaraderie is evident, with frequent asides and laughter.

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Takeaways

• Paranormal investigation is as much about the openness of mind and heart as it is about scientific tools.
• The most powerful experiences often come when expectations are dropped and belief is invited in.
• Cultural contexts, historical trauma, and faith all play roles in shaping what is experienced at haunted locations.
• Skepticism is respected; many of Sam and Colby’s guests have changed their beliefs only after direct experience.
• Whether or not one believes, the drive to connect with “something more” is a fundamental part of the human experience.

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Notable Ghost Hunting Figures

• Ed & Lorraine Warren: Considered the GOATs of paranormal investigation (85:59).
• Zach Baggins: Modern TV ghost hunter, called the "father of paranormal" by Sam and Colby.

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Closing Thoughts

The episode is more than ghost stories—it’s a meditation on curiosity, belief, and the search for meaning. Sam and Colby’s lore, the history of faith and science, and Theo’s philosophical asides combine into a spirited, entertaining reminder that “meeting the unknown halfway” can change both your life and your afterlife.

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[End of Summary]

Transcript

[Theo Von]

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[Sam]

Thanks for having us.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, I appreciate it, dude. Or like Ouija lurkers? Like what do people call you guys? Is it like spirit haunters? Paranormal amiga? Like what do you guys. How do you guys. I guess what do you guys call yourselves? Is it like ghost hunters? What is it?

[Colby]

Yeah, honestly, we should, we should go with that one for sure.

[Sam]

We should rename our channel to just Paranormal Amigos from now on.

[Theo Von]

Seance monkeys, maybe. I'm just trying to think like, I.

[Colby]

Mean, that's way cooler than just saying ghost hunters. You know, most people just call us ghost hunters, but honestly, we're just like two dudes to the camera. Like, we just kind of like document everything that like, that happens to us.

[Sam]

We're not experts at all. We don't know what we're doing. So we just like go into these haunted places with a camera, just us two and a couple guests, and see what happens.

[Colby]

I wish we were psychics and mediums, but we can't channel them, you know, not that cool.

[Theo Von]

It's almost like Ghostbusters. But like community college kind of.

[Sam]

Yeah, dude, exactly.

[Colby]

That's hilarious.

[Theo Von]

That's fair to say.

[Sam]

Like the off brand TV ghost hunters. Exactly.

[Colby]

No, it's fun. Like that's honestly, like that is part of the adventure. So we have no idea what happened. Like, sometimes it's the craziest thing we've ever seen. And then sometimes, like just nothing happens. We're shooting the shit with our friends. Which is also like super fun.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, yeah. You guys have 50 million subs on YouTube now. How many people live in your hometown?

[Colby]

Oh, my God, maybe like less than 100,000. So it's like so bizarre. To think about as well. We're from Kansas, so, like, small town Kansas to, like, all this stuff. It's definitely a wild experience for sure.

[Theo Von]

So 150 of your hometowns. Is that how many followers all coming together?

[Sam]

It's wild to think about, like, we. It's still surreal to this day. Like, we. Like you were saying, like, we grew up in, like, a small town, like, suburbs of Kansas City. So, like, moving out to, like, LA and Vegas has been a wild change for us. And we did it just after, like, high school, too. So at 18, we didn't know.

[Colby]

It just shows how many people are really interested in, like, spirits and, like, afterlife. I mean, I'm sure, like, every single person as a human is, like, always wondering what happens after I die. I don't know if you believe in ghosts or not, but, like, you've probably had that question of, like, what does happen? You know, like, is it possible to communicate with, like, your loved ones and stuff?

[Theo Von]

Yeah, well, I think it's one thing that we all have in common, right? I think it's one thing that it's like. It's that one question that none of us can answer. Right? And then also I think, like, that a lot of people think that, like, ghost hunting kind of died a little bit because it was kind of this older thing that was more popular. Like, and then when a lot of technology really started popping off, I think people thought, like, oh, well, nobody's seeing ghosts anymore as much. You know, people thought you'd see them more on cell phones and stuff. But since nobody's seeing, I think people. It kind of. I remember like, five or six years ago being like, dude, where all the.

[Sam]

Ghosts, Where'd they go?

[Colby]

Yeah, you think of every single person had a camera. Like, they would have clear evidence of.

[Theo Von]

Mad ghosts, you know?

[Colby]

You see Casper every day, always hanging out with us.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, you see just stacks of ghosts. You'd see, like, just a bunch of boo orgies and shit popping off. Like, but it's. It's not like that, man.

[Colby]

We've had a couple boo orgies.

[Theo Von]

So have you ever. Have you ever seen. Oh, yeah, I wasn't there for that one.

[Sam]

I was like, oh, just during that. Excuse me.

[Theo Von]

Hopefully not just so our listeners know, like, so you guys met in.

[Colby]

We met in Kansas in high school. Okay. So, like, we were like 14 years old. We met in band camp in typical story, high school. And then we're also like, yo, like, we don't want to end up like all the other kids in Kansas. You Know, just doing the same old, like, go to college, get nine to five, whatever. That was fine. Like, go do your thing. But we just really didn't think that was for us. So.

[Theo Von]

Do you remember the first time that you saw each other?

[Colby]

I was super romantic.

[Sam]

Yeah, it was at a kind of a shop in seventh grade.

[Theo Von]

That does make it sound very romantic. Sorry.

[Sam]

No. Believe it or not, I actually do remember the first time.

[Colby]

Really?

[Sam]

I think you remember this too, when I tell the story. But, like, it was in middle school, so we were like. Yeah, actually like 12 or 13 or something like that. And each month there would be, like, these awards that the students could earn or whatever or get. Like, for example, best dressed. Or like, Sam, for example, won the best haircut of, like, the month or something like that. Yeah. And so when he, like, walked over the stage, I was like, that guy's. He does have really cool hair. That was the first.

[Colby]

Was history.

[Theo Von]

He's got that Mormon front waterfall going on. I mean, he's got that beautiful. It's. Yeah, he can make mittens out of that.

[Sam]

That's what I'm saying.

[Colby]

Beautif.

[Theo Von]

But you remember that. Of course he won the award.

[Sam]

He won the award. And I was just like, I have to be friends with this guy. Maybe even start a Vine account eventually.

[Colby]

There we go. Yeah, Colby's the one that, like, knew of vine and YouTube and stuff. I was not into all that stuff. But then he was like, dude, there are people right now making vine videos and stupid videos at their mall that are getting millions of views. And, like, no one's, like, in on this. And so we just decided to, like, go for it because we were like, I don't want to live forever just in Kansas doing the normal route, and let's try it, dude.

[Sam]

We didn't even know there was a career or, like, money to be made out of it. But I just, like, looked up to a lot of people on social media that I was like, come on, we can, like, do this if we really try. And then he saw the vision. Once, like, things started picking up.

[Colby]

Yeah. Just to do content. Just to do content. I was like, oh, I don't know, a hundred percent. But, like, once I saw, like, oh, like, this could be our way to have a voice. This is our way to get out of Kansas. This is our way to travel, meet cool people, all these different things, build a business. It was like, oh, wait, let's go.

[Theo Von]

Wow.

[Colby]

And so we, like, kind of locked in on senior year of high school. And I remember parents were like, yo, if you get X amount of dollars, we'll allow you to take a gap year instead of go to college.

[Theo Von]

And you earn that many dollars in a. In a year.

[Colby]

It was like, I don't know, $15,000 or something. And, like, because that would be enough for a couple months rent in la, and it's like, okay, well, then we had it on our whiteboard. And, like, you know, we check off the amount of money we're making on senior year.

[Sam]

Like, okay, post everyday, livestream every single day. Like, we were on grind mode. And, yeah, again, being from Kansas, like, there was nothing to do really.

[Theo Von]

Besides, was there haters around the vill? Like, was there haters in the branches of the local trees? Like, was it like that? For sure?

[Sam]

Yeah. No, our own high school, like, didn't like us.

[Colby]

Well, also, this was, like, also during the time when social media wasn't very popular. But, yeah, we get called into, like, principal office being like, what are you guys doing on Vine? Like, this is not cool. We don't want you guys representing our school like this. And I was like, also, we started, like, with public disturbance, so we'd go to our local mall and, like, jump off, like, tables. You know, tables and, like, ride couches up escalators, do stupid stuff.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, I saw y' all following some fats at the mall.

[Sam]

Oh, yeah, we don't do that anymore, though.

[Theo Von]

We don't do that anymore. Hey, look, dude, we live what we learn, all right? Hey, man, my stepmother's fat.

[Colby]

All right. All right.

[Theo Von]

Well, she doesn't know it, but.

[Sam]

Well, now she does, so.

[Theo Von]

And anyway, sorry, I'm just joking around, but. But. But at a certain point, you guys sort of pivoted to checking out abandoned places, right?

[Colby]

Yeah.

[Theo Von]

And then now it's become more haunted spots. What made you switch from just like, oh, shit. Just shit. Just being abandoned isn't enough, Right? Because I'm. Abandoned places.

[Sam]

We used to be scared of spiders. Now we're scared of spiders and ghosts.

[Theo Von]

But what makes you, like, hey, bro, there's nobody in this dark room.

[Colby]

Let's bring them in and summon them.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, let's light up a Ouija board. Yeah. What makes you. What makes that kind of like. Yeah, how do you get there? What makes you make that turn?

[Sam]

Well, to be completely honest with you, we started doing the abandoned stuff in, like, 2017, 2018. And, yeah, we were legally doing, like, pretty much all of our videos back in the day, and we got arrested. So, like, in 2019, like, oh, so.

[Theo Von]

You were just showing up Places.

[Colby]

Yeah, we would just be like, okay, like, there's this abandoned asylum. Let's try to figure a way in and figure a way out without getting caught. And it was really, like, fun. I mean, that's like, exhilarating. But there's this came a time that we actually got caught and we're like, oh, well, you know, we can't do this as much anymore. But luckily, like, about a year prior to that, we had started going to some places that were. Had, like, haunted lore. Right. And we were like, I don't really believe in the stuff. Like, actually, like, both of us were very, very skeptical of anything haunted ghost related before we started. And we thought it would be great. Like, let's do this abandoned stuff, but, like, let's see if there's a ghost there. That's funny. Like, you know, it's probably not. It's just a dark building, but it'll be great for content. But then things started happening and it was like, wait, what? What actually was that. What was that voice? What was that slam? What was that door that just, like, you know, crash in front of me and then have it over and over and over again? And we're like, wait, this might actually be real? And then we went to this place called the Queen Mary in Long Beach. I don't know if you ever heard of it.

[Theo Von]

Oh, yeah, it's an old. It's an old ship, right?

[Sam]

Have you been before?

[Theo Von]

Yeah, I think we did a. I think I did comedy on it.

[Colby]

Oh, wow, that's awesome. Yeah, I mean, it's a. It's a huge hotel and it's awesome.

[Theo Von]

Oh, I left some bad jokes on that mf. So one of those showed up. That was me.

[Colby]

Okay.

[Theo Von]

If you heard people booing, that was. That wasn't ghost. It was just audience people.

[Colby]

Yeah, yeah, that's great. But yeah, we had, like, such a crazy experience.

[Theo Von]

And you really did. You're really having these experiences. Like, you're really. You.

[Sam]

This is real 1000%.

[Colby]

Well, the entire time, like, we didn't really. Like, we didn't believe. So, like, we were like, let's. Let's test it. Because, like, actually it would be kind of cool if there was something, you know, it would be really fun. And so, like, at this time, we were skeptical, but we wanted something to happen. And then at the night of the Queen Mary even, we kind of gave up. We actually did this entire video and nothing really happened all night. And then at the very, very end of the night, turned off cameras and we're like, well, that was a horrible video, but let's just try it one more time. For the rest of night, it was like 4am and then slowly stuff started happening off camera. And this is like, how real it is for me. It's like if it was just for content, we just turn on the cameras and, like, try to, like, capture it, but instead we just, like, sat there and tried to have a conversation with a spirit. And that night completely changed my life. It made me religious. It made me, like, want to get into the whole spiritualist thing. And I. You know, we talked about this many times after being like, okay, screw this abandoned stuff. I want to know the answer. This is not just for content anymore. This is beautiful. If it's actually out there, if there is something on the other side, I want to know. And so that dove us into this whole career over the last five, seven years.

[Theo Von]

Wow, man. As you're building that up there, as you're telling me that even when you were starting just kind of that parable there or starting that when you were starting to share there, it made me think of, like, faith. It's like, you know, you sh. You. You think there's nothing there, right? And. And something shows up, right? And like, you're saying, like, you were hoping something, but. But nothing had occurred. Right? And it's kind of the same thing with faith. Like, even, you know, for people that are religious or have believe in some sort of higher power, it's. You have to meet it halfway. Right? So just the fact that you guys showed up willing to meet whatever could be out there, you know, and. And then whatever's out there, sometimes the way it shows up could be positive. But maybe the way we interpret it, too, is. Is, like, scary to us because it's coming from a place that we can't understand.

[Sam]

Very, very true. And I mean, when we first started. I mean, my entire life, I've been Christian. So, like, we first started with this, like, Queen Mary, like, experience. And for Sam, like, he was saying it was something, or he didn't believe in anything. Fuck.

[Theo Von]

I didn't know this.

[Sam]

Yeah. But I've always been born and raised Christian. And so for me, it was more of just like a hopeful thing. That's like securing my beliefs, I guess you could say. So it really just depends on the person. But anybody can take the paranormal, like, however they want, depending on what they believe in their personal lives.

[Colby]

But you're right, it's so much more of, like, putting yourself out there and meeting something halfway, whether that be in a Religious sense or as we do in, like, the paranormal world. It's like, so many people go out there, and they're so closed off. Like, they're skeptical. I'm sure tons of people watching this right now are super skeptical, but.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, I was one of them a little while ago.

[Colby]

Yeah, but if you go into a haunted house and you're super skeptical and you don't think something's gonna happen, Same thing with faith. You're never gonna get it. But, like, when we turn off the cameras and we actually were like, actually, okay, I just want something to be there. I'm willing to really believe and put myself there. That's when things start happening. And that's what we always advise that people to do when they go into these haunted places. Put yourself out there. Take a risk, you know?

[Theo Von]

Yeah, it's. Dude, it's so funny. It brings me back to, like, when I was a kid. And, like, that's one thing that is amazing about kids. It's like, especially, like, ghosts and kids, like, when they're, like, you know, even till, like, 15 different ages. But when you. When you have that youthful energy, you're so, like, right there on the edge of the moment that something can meet. Like, something small can meet you right there really easily. It's pretty.

[Colby]

So willing to believe. Yes.

[Theo Von]

You know, it's such an amazing time. Yeah. Yeah.

[Colby]

That's why, like, children have so many more experiences, because they're less closed off. They're less, like, I don't know, jaded to the world, you know?

[Theo Von]

Oh, it's so true, dude. Now, if a ghost showed up, it'd be. I literally was like, you know, all right, you know, can you come back later? I'd probably be like, all right, I.

[Colby]

Got some to do, you know?

[Theo Von]

Yeah. People could beg for, like, somebody to come from the afterlife that they love, and then they hear a weird knock at the door in the middle of the night, and instead they call the police instead of go open it up. Like, what are you talking about? Your grandfather?

[Colby]

Come on, go have the conversation.

[Theo Von]

But it is. It's just interesting that, like, how perception and belief can meet together to frame what your experience can be.

[Sam]

Right?

[Theo Von]

You know?

[Sam]

Exactly.

[Colby]

Yeah. And that's kind of why. Why we do it now. Like, we definitely now believe. We've had so many experiences over the last, like, seven years that have proved us that it were not the only things out there.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Colby]

But especially me. I was at a place where I thought it was all blackness after you die. It was nothing. It was so hopeless that when I found that spark of like, wait, there could be something more, it was like my version of finding religion. It was my, my version of finding hope. And I was like, wait a second, if I can prove this to myself, and now that I have over the last couple years, what if I could prove this to somebody else? What if someone could watch one of our videos and walk away being like, wait, there is something more.

[Theo Von]

Maybe so.

[Colby]

And what if that changes their course of their life to maybe be a better person or maybe be just a more hopeful, happy person?

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Colby]

And so like although we are like the spooky guys, we're Ghostbusters, we're whatever. And we're trying to get something that's scary. That scariness is super hopeful. It's like very beautiful.

[Sam]

But we're also very inviting to just skeptics that won't or don't want to like be open minded about anything. Like they could just watch our videos for entertainment. So really, just like you said, it depends on the person and the paranormal affects everybody in different ways depending on what you believe.

[Theo Von]

What? Yeah, this is interesting, man. I didn't, I didn't even know if I expect this conversation to go like this, but this is great.

[Colby]

I'm be curious, like, what do you believe?

[Theo Von]

Well, I've gotten to speak with people that have. Like we had a doctor on who is a cancer doctor and he had, over the years he started doing, he started interviewing people that had had near death experiences and just collecting a lot of their data, right. Like a lot of the data and finding a lot of the commonalities in it. And so once I spoke with him, I started thinking like, yeah, this was him right there, Dr. Jeffrey Long. And he wrote a book about it and it's an easy read, but it's. You could just tell how much it changed his life and his perspective that he at no, at no fiscal reward. He started creating this database and, and just putting together all different people's accounts and it was just fascinating to see, to see how many people that had the same experiences. Right. And so that gave me like, okay, if there's, if enough of it's uniform here and the experiences are the same, like that kind of shows a pattern obviously and it certainly starts to make you believe a little bit more. Right. And it's really, it's like, you know, he couldn't really get to what's on the other side. Hyper, you know, the other side. Like if you go over to the other side, whatever the other realm is. But He. He was able to kind of, like, through a great deal of interviews, examine some of the stair steps that people were on and what that experience was like. And so that, I think, gave me almost a little bit more of, like, a really, a scientific idea of, like, okay, there's. There's something more than just us guessing this, right? So. So that kind of was there for me. I had, like, a DMT experience where it's like, you know, some people use plant medicine. I'm not encouraging that. I know you guys have some younger viewers, but that took you to a place where you feel like you were leaving for sure. And that was pretty fascinating. Like, okay, you felt like becoming this. You felt yourself kind of leave your body and become this spirit that the only thing you could feel was love. Like, you couldn't feel anything else. All the earthly chains of, like, people you knew and all of that. And like, I always feel like, if I die, I'm going to worry about them. Or there. And there was a little bit of that. But even that broke away the amount of, like, immense love that was present in your being as you were hypothetically leaving this body that we know was so immense and so great. And you knew immediately, oh, they'll be here again. They'll all be here someday. So no matter what they're feeling now, this moment trumps whatever that is.

[Sam]

And so even though you couldn't remember anything that was going on in this, like, physical plane, you still somehow had the thought that, like, you were supposed to be there. Is that what you're saying?

[Theo Von]

Well, you still somehow had the thought that, like, as it was happening, you start to. I felt like. You literally start to feel like you're leaving your body. And you start to, like, my first thoughts are like, you're still attached to a lot of your, like, worldly thoughts, like, oh, my mom's going to miss me. I'm scared. I forgot to do this. I forgot to send that email that was, like, one of my thoughts.

[Colby]

Who give your curses of life?

[Theo Von]

You forgot to email. Oh, I should have let the dog out or whatever, or, man, I left those shoes on the porch. Little things like that were, like, kind of going in my head. But then it was like this. You became overwhelmed with this feeling of, like, so much love. And the only thing you were supposed to do while you were alive was love and everything else was just a ruse. And then you thought, oh, my mom will miss me. But then you thought, you're like, oh, but she'll come to this feeling one day too. When she passes away, so she'll have the same realization that everything is as okay as it ever could be and ever was. And it'll be that way for eternity.

[Sam]

Dang, dude.

[Theo Von]

So that may sound crazy. I've never even said that out loud. And I don't even know if it makes sense.

[Sam]

No, no. That's a very beautiful thing.

[Theo Von]

But. But, yeah. So I think. And I want to believe.

[Colby]

I think most people do. I feel like it's pretty sad if, like, you want there to be nothing, you know?

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Colby]

Like, everyone, like, deep down, whether whatever you believe in, you would rather a way that you, like, move on, because that's just human.

[Theo Von]

That's what I. Yeah, that's what I think. Yeah. Just having. And it makes it exciting. And we showed up here, dude. We showed up here. This is the craziest shit you could ever imagine.

[Colby]

Yeah.

[Sam]

How lucky is it to even be alive?

[Theo Von]

Yeah. Just the grace to exist. To be a fish that, like, comes close to the edge of the bowl, like, just for a second and gets to, like, peek out into, like, the universe and before we dip back in, you know?

[Colby]

Yeah, exactly.

[Theo Von]

So what happened in the Queen Mary that kind of. Can you take me into any more, like, feelings or something that happened? Was there anything specific, or was it just an overwhelming feeling?

[Colby]

Yeah, I mean, there was definitely the feeling there. We've told the story a couple times, but the synopsis is when we turn off the cameras, we all sat around. It was like, four in the morning. It was us and a couple roommates so that we could all vouch for each other. And we just called out and we said, hey, if there's something here, can you give us a sign? And there would be, like, right off the bat, just a water faucet full on for, like, five seconds. And then we ran into the bathroom. It turns off. And then so we're like, okay, well, let's continue asking for signs. And so we get, like, things.

[Theo Von]

That's a ghost brushing its teeth, probably.

[Colby]

Getting ready for bed. It's, like, too late at night at that point. But then, like, afterwards, it would be, like, little knocks or scratches or taps everywhere. And so we would be. We'd test it because we were very skeptical at that time, too. And it was like, okay, well, then can you give us, like, three knocks? And it was like, okay, let's say can you tap over there on the window of the ship so we know that it's not, like, an employee. They would tap on the window and.

[Sam]

Dude, we're, like, whispering these Questions. So it's not like we're like, can somebody tap? And it's like out in the hallway, and it's like the janitor, can somebody play Rihanna?

[Theo Von]

You know?

[Colby]

Exactly. And then one time, now that it's.

[Theo Von]

Raining, you just start hearing that, Dude, I would lose my mind.

[Colby]

The best paranormal evidence ever. It's just, like, coming out of nothing.

[Theo Von]

And it's just Rihanna umbrella.

[Colby]

I would love if the, like, the best paranormal evidence ever that convinces everybody is something that silly.

[Sam]

That would be amazing.

[Colby]

It'd be crazy.

[Theo Von]

But it's wild because people will say, you know, even in religious places, they'll be like, call out to God for what you want. Call out to your higher power. Ask your deity for, you know, ask the world. Like, it's the same as when they say the secret. It's like, write out what you want and, like, meet it halfway. Build it. Build a vision board. That's all the same thing. It's just trying to put something in existence, physically or verbally, that to. To let the world meet. To let the. The spirit realm meet you halfway.

[Sam]

Yeah, exactly. Which goes back to, like, it doesn't matter what you believe in. Maybe you don't even believe in any God, but you're just a spiritual person and you're talking to the universe. But all it's about is having that, like, manifestation and, like. Yeah, speaking. What's it called? The law of attraction. Like, speaking into the universe. What comes back to you.

[Theo Von]

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[Sam]

Thank you so much.

[Colby]

Greatest experience, greatest excuse to travel ever.

[Theo Von]

So crazy.

[Sam]

Amazing.

[Theo Von]

And it's just rare that something like that gets it to happen without joining, like, the military or so, you know, I'm saying. So you. You guys are in. In a pretty rare air. What is the process when you go to seek paranormal activity? Like, what is kind of like. Like, do you. Is there special shoes you wear? Is there a special. Is there. No. Is it. No cologne allowed? Like, what really are the. You know, and what do you take with you kind of.

[Sam]

Well, we have, like, two backpacks full of equipment, which we can get into a little bit if you want. But yeah, we have a bunch of, like, probably like eight to ten pieces of equipment that really react to EMF energy, which is electromagnetic energy that everything in the world, alive or dead, like, will emit. So everything. Yeah. In this life, life, or the afterlife, has this EMF energy.

[Theo Von]

Is that. Bring that up real quick just so we can put a little bit of information to it. This is some perplexity. That's what we're using here today. What is EMF energy? Electromagnetic fields. EMFs are invisible areas of energy often referred to as non ionizing radiation, associated with the movement of electrical current or voltage. They are produced by the flow of electricity through wires or devices and can be found in all environments, indoors and outdoors. Does everything have EMFs? Not everything emits EMFs, but almost every object emits some form of electromagnetic radiation. As long as it's not an absolute zero temperature. Any device that uses, generates, or conducts electricity will produce emf. Natural sources of EMF include the Earth's magnetic field, the sun, and even biological processes within living organisms. Okay, so it's energy. It's basically like people would say energy. This is just more of a scientific way to quantify it.

[Sam]

Right.

[Colby]

And so, like all. Almost all of our piece of equipment basically measure changes in this energy. And so if you place it there and kind of calibrate it to the environment, if there's a change in that environment, then it will go off.

[Theo Von]

Got it.

[Colby]

So there's that type of thing. We also use, like, motion sensors. We actually use, like, everyday objects. So, like, we'll get, you know, let's say, like, cat toys or like flashlights and things like that that are stereotypical or just everyday objects that are not, like, meant for ghost Hunting. Just so we can show that, like, even regular objects can be used for this type of thing so that the afterlife can communicate. So, literally, we'll be like, you know, we'll set a flashlight down and it will turn on in front of our eyes, and it's, like, insane. But at the same time, like, we would always recommend everybody start with how we started. It's like, getting yourself there and, like, say, hey, like, call out. Get the knocks, get the voiceless. Like, we've been, you know, grabbed. We've had voices in our ears. We've, like, been pushed. We've had doors slam in front of our faces. It's not always the equipment. It's like, all the environmental things.

[Theo Von]

Wow.

[Colby]

It all kind of works together.

[Sam]

Yeah. No going back to the Queen Mary a little bit. Like, we didn't have any equipment back in the day, and, yeah, we were just sitting in, like, a dark room and just really trying to put ourselves in the mindset that everything was real, that we were experiencing.

[Theo Von]

Y' all were the equipment, huh?

[Sam]

Exactly. Yeah.

[Theo Von]

We became the conduit where the equipment. Yeah, it was dope.

[Sam]

It was dope. And, yeah, no, just, like, as we've gotten, like, further in our careers and stuff, this is when we've, like, implemented new equipment that just helps us do the same thing that we did in 2018 at the.

[Colby]

It helps visualize it because, like, you know, you can say, oh, I felt something on my, like, shoulder. But how does, like, a viewer know that?

[Theo Von]

Right?

[Colby]

You know, but if they can see a flashlight turn on or if they can see a motion sensor detect motion, they're like, oh, well, that's really cool. To visualize what we're experiencing. But a lot of times as well, now that we've done this for so long, like, a big part of our show is we take people on these adventures so that they can be our, like, independent variable, you know, like this somebody else who doesn't believe or maybe just, like, interested in it but, you know, is not part of our channel or whatever, will come out and experience it for the first time. We've had so many friends come in, pretty much complete atheists or skeptics, and walk away like, whoa, now I believe in ghosts. Even, like, people that. I'm like, there's no way, you know, maybe people older than us that are like, oh, my whole life I've been atheist. They walk away from one night being like, I've never seen anything like this. I've changing my perspective, and it's beautiful.

[Theo Von]

So people to Bear witness as to what's going on.

[Sam]

Exactly.

[Theo Von]

Yeah. Because I just wonder, were you guys just like, you know, loitering for the spirit ops to show up or what was going on? Like, I just didn't know, like, you know, what kind of was happening.

[Sam]

They're like, why is this guy here? Like 3am like, just waiting in the dark, dude.

[Colby]

They probably are like, if you're a spirit and you're just seeing us and we're like yelling like, are you here?

[Sam]

They're like, yeah, like, you do some.

[Theo Von]

Of the shittiest spirits show up to talk to you guys? No offense, but it's like, probably like the really smart, like, spirits are like, I'm not talking to these also.

[Colby]

You got to think, like, why are, why are they in like that this random building? They just kind of fuck with us, you know, it's like the smart guys would go hang out in the spa or something. Not. Not in this creepy building. So we don't know who we're talking to.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, you guys are talking to some real low level spirits.

[Sam]

Yeah, definitely.

[Colby]

Holy shit.

[Theo Von]

I never thought about that.

[Sam]

It's probably why we have so many scary experiences too.

[Colby]

Exactly. Who's the guy that's gonna hang out in the abandoned island? You know, like, oh, well, he's gotta be weird, so.

[Theo Von]

No, well, he's weird from this realm and he's got to be way weird from the other realm.

[Sam]

Yeah, he wasn't even allowed in the heavens. They're like, yeah, you can stay in that place over there, man.

[Theo Von]

A couple of purgatory bad boys. Damn, that's wild, dude. Yeah, but it does go back to like. Yeah, you just wanting something. Right. And then, and then I guess it makes sense because it's like anything you start to learn, then you want, you know, you start to get the accoutrements of it. Right. Like if you are a doctor, you end up getting the stethoscope. Right, Right. And. And then you get a patient. Right. Like you want people to bear witness to whatever's going on.

[Sam]

Yeah, definitely.

[Colby]

And that's what's like the coolest part of it is like seeing other people's like, change of perspective and like how they, like then afterwards I go about their lives.

[Theo Von]

But yeah, for sure, dude. I, I think as far as the equipment, that was my question. It's like, yeah, you guys just like metal detecting for bullshit or whatever out there, you know, like, but, but, but when you incorporate the fact that you have to be willing, you have to want something. Right?

[Sam]

Right.

[Theo Von]

That it can show up for you. I just find that is so inspiring, no matter what, because we're all looking for some sort of ghost, you know, we're all hoping that there's some spirit that comes up and tells us something, you know, or that. That shares or something. We're all wanting something to come along and make us feel more complete, you know, and what doper place for it to come from then? The afterlife or the next realm?

[Sam]

Dude, exactly.

[Theo Von]

Because it feels hella inspiring as well.

[Sam]

For sure. And I think it's, like, worth mentioning, too, that, like, this Stu stuff doesn't happen every single time we go to a haunted place. Like, there are so many times that, like, we'll have videos that turn into, like, duds, even if we've traveled, like, across the world where we have to, like, completely scrap it because nothing happens. And so it really just depends on the spot and, like, the energy there.

[Colby]

Yeah, and it's not, like, constant either. Like, most of our investigations are, like, 12 hours, and we cut it down to, like, an hour of, like, the craziest stuff. And only half of that is even, like, any evidence that we got. So it takes a long time for these things. It's not like, you know, we, out of everybody can just walk over and see Casper the Friendly ghost tomorrow. Like, it's like you have to go to the most haunted places in the entire world and then also spend a very long time trying to, like, open yourself up for that.

[Theo Von]

Yeah. Dude, I'm so thankful you guys came in, man. This is awesome. I just appreciate. Yeah, it's just nice to have this kind of conversation, you know? It's nice to be reminded of the fact that we have a part kind of in this sounds kind of silly, but we have a part in what we believe. But that we have a part in things that are supernatural. I think that's what it is that we. That because we alone are supernatural 100%.

[Colby]

It's, like, crazy that we're even here.

[Theo Von]

It's fucking bizarre, dude. Especially if you look at the other animals and stuff, dude. They're all doing, like, normal animal shit. We're out here, people are vaping. People are lying to their parents. Dude, if you were in the woods and you saw a bear lie to his parents and then sneak a piece of salmon or something, you'd be like, what?

[Sam]

Then hit a vape real quick.

[Theo Von]

Imagine you saw a bear get up every morning. All the other bears are out splashing in the water, and there's one bear just sitting on his computer every Day.

[Sam]

Just like, whoa, coding.

[Colby]

Chat. GPT. Like, what are you doing, dude?

[Theo Von]

Yeah, he's coding. You guys have visited some of the most haunted places in the world that we know of right now. Are they different? Is there a common link between all of them? Like, what are you able to. Is there sort of a overall hypothesis that you can come up with through all that, or is it all just one by one?

[Sam]

Most of them honestly are their own separate, like, entities or whatever, no pun intended, to where, like, you'll go to like one spot and like learn a bunch of history about the place that's like maybe like 500 years old in the US it's not gonna have any correlation to like the. A 500 year old place in like France or something like that. So I think every single spot comes with its own story and its own spirits. There's also like human spirits. There's more like demonic things you could talk to as well, earthly spirits. So there's a lot of different, like, variables, I guess you could say, depending on, like where you go really.

[Theo Von]

So. So some places have different types of spirits.

[Colby]

That kind of depends on the history of what all happened there and like, how much trauma there is in the said place. Because again, all of this is based on the energy that's at the location.

[Theo Von]

Is there one that stands out to you that kind of had a demonic energy? Because that's an interesting word.

[Colby]

Yeah. I mean, okay, so one place that we went to for this October, we went to Pendle Hill. And so that's a place that's considered one of the most haunted, or if not the most place, the most haunted place in the United Kingdom.

[Theo Von]

Pendle Hill.

[Colby]

Pendle Hill. P E N D E L D L E. Yeah. But that was the home of the most infamous witch trials ever happened. So, like basically 11 witches were killed, 12 or whatever, put on trial for doing witchcraft. And at that time, a lot of witches turned to the devil because witches were outcasted by the church. And so when they would turn to the devil, they made this place more like demonic. And like, it has this like a devil satanic pull to it. Wow. And so we actually brought out a, you know, a witch that was doing witchcraft to summon the devil. That was her main practice and had her try to summon and channel the, like, the devil himself, the actual devil. And it was like literally like hundreds of years of witches on this exact hill have been practicing trying to speak with a devil. And we tried to recreate that as close as possible, which was one of, if not the Most terrifying thing we've ever done. But like, for example, that would make a place more demonic. If we have hundreds of years of people putting their effort and all of their power again, if we're talking about opening yourself up to a spiritual thing, if all you're doing is putting that faith and that energy towards something demonic, you're going to attract the demonic. You're not going to attract something that's like happy.

[Theo Von]

Oh, for sure. Let me see this. Pendle Hill is most infamous for its ties to the Pendle witch Trials of 1612, where several local women were tried and executed for witchcraft. The area is steeped in legend, including tales of supernatural occurrences. Does it have any more. Can you give me a little bit more information about the witches?

[Sam]

Maybe you could say, like, look up the story of Allison Device. This is how it all started, how.

[Theo Von]

You guys found it. Oh, this is how it all began.

[Sam]

This is how it all began. I wish we found this.

[Colby]

That'd be great.

[Theo Von]

The story of Alizon Device Alison is central to the infamous Pendle witch Trials of 1612 in Lancashire, England. She was a young woman from a poor family who one spring morning encountered John Law, a peddler from Halifax. While walking to Trodden Forest. Allison asked him for some pins, a common request at the time as pins were believed to have uses in folk magic. Law refused, prompting Allison to utter a curse against him, upon which Law soon collapsed, suffering symptoms that were later recognized as a stroke. Called it, though at the time this was believed to be a result of witchcraft.

[Sam]

And she was 12 by the way, when she did this. So a 12 year old girl just meets a salesman, she's like, can I have some pins? He's like, nah. She's like, curse you. And he died. And so they were like, this girl's a witch. And so her and her family were all like accused of witchcraft. And then they all started blaming each other in the town.

[Colby]

But the weird part is like, they all admitted to it. They literally like said on court trial, like, hey, I did use witchcraft to attempt to speak to the devil and summon him. And so it's like, why, you know.

[Theo Von]

Oh, the family said that?

[Colby]

Yeah.

[Theo Von]

So why did they, why did they do that? That. Because they thought they, they were, they were so upset by what had happened to her that they're like, well, we're going to call the devil here.

[Colby]

Well, they, they were, they were admitting that even previous times they had already.

[Theo Von]

Like, oh, I see.

[Colby]

They had already been in witchcraft and they've already.

[Theo Von]

Oh, so her family was A little bit familiar with witchcraft.

[Colby]

Yeah.

[Theo Von]

Oh, but also, what's that dude doing? Just gooning around some 12 year old.

[Colby]

Yeah.

[Theo Von]

You know what I'm saying, dude?

[Colby]

Serves them right, bro.

[Theo Von]

What are you loitering around some I'm 12 year old for, dude.

[Sam]

So true.

[Theo Von]

Oh, my God, bro. They're catching mad gooners. Back then they were. That's the kind of that happens, dude. Even a long time ago.

[Sam]

And she was the one that got arrested, not him, by the way.

[Colby]

Yeah, dude, it's like what?

[Theo Von]

It's like, God, obvious. Oh, that's crazy though. And imagine the energy of that at the time and like she's young and now that like she's put in this space where it's like, how did they execute them?

[Colby]

They hang by hanging. Yeah.

[Sam]

Yeah.

[Colby]

So if you think about that, yeah, like 11 of them died, 10 of them by hanging. And that was accounted for 2% of all the witches ever that have been executed, all in this one trial because the whole family admitted to witchcraft. So it was a massive deal. And it's one of the most famous witch trials in history because part of.

[Sam]

The thing was to be freed from being accused of being a witch, I guess you had to point the blame on somebody else. So the entire family basically like turned on each other. And like the little girl was like, my grandma did it. She was like, what the. And then she was on the trial and obviously they're like, mom's a.

[Theo Von]

And they're like, they. But they didn't hear it right.

[Colby]

Yeah, he's a witch.

[Theo Von]

Like, oh, I'm dead. Oh, dude, that's crazy. That would be the craziest. It's almost like the sickest game show ever where it's going to be you or you have to point the finger at somebody else.

[Sam]

Exactly, exactly. And your mom.

[Theo Von]

Especially if there's nobody left. What if it's down to you and your mom?

[Colby]

Yeah, exactly. Do I kill her? Oh, God. And then you both blame each other. So you're both dead and you're like, okay.

[Theo Von]

Yeah. It's like there's that meme or what? The spider man.

[Sam]

Yeah, yeah.

[Theo Von]

Each other. That's the way trials man.

[Sam]

Yeah. Oh, crazy.

[Theo Von]

Yeah. That would be a lot of energy being over there.

[Colby]

One place that's like even worse than that, I think is my top, scariest we've ever, ever gone to is.

[Theo Von]

And will that be on Hell Week? Will that be. Is that episode coming on, you guys? Hell Week? And how long is Hell Week? It's one week of just all episodes of you guys.

[Colby]

So Hell Week is, like the brand we've started for the last, like, five years, but this year we switched it to Hell Month. And so, basically, once a week, we go to the most demonic places in the world, and we're leading up to Halloween. So every Sunday until Halloween, it's pretty terrifying. But by far the scariest for me of this entire whole month was going to the Paris catacombs.

[Sam]

Oh, my God.

[Colby]

I don't know if you ever heard of that.

[Theo Von]

I've been there, actually.

[Sam]

You've been in the catacombs?

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Sam]

The illegal part or the legal part?

[Theo Von]

I'm not sure. Sure. My buddy got a little, like, a. Whatever. That's one of these.

[Colby]

Oh, okay.

[Theo Von]

Little tarsal or something.

[Sam]

Okay.

[Theo Von]

He got a boot, like, tarsal off one of the staff there. Like a little piece of bone.

[Colby]

Oh, really?

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Colby]

Jeez.

[Theo Von]

So he's obviously not going to be doing well.

[Colby]

Take a bone from the Ferris catacombs, you curse forever.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, dude. I said, dude, just get some astronaut ice cream from the gift shop.

[Sam]

What's your problem?

[Colby]

Take a skull.

[Theo Von]

But he wanted to be different, so he got a little piece of foot or something.

[Colby]

So there's like two miles of this tourist style, like, this tourist part of the curse. Catacombs where you can legally go into. And then there's 200 miles of illegal territory. That's a whole labyrinth that doesn't even have a map.

[Sam]

Like, it's seven stories, so, like, you can go up and down, like, different floors. So, yeah, you get lost very, very easily.

[Colby]

And there's 6 million dead bodies that are buried down underneath. And it's pretty much a mirror of Paris. So if you think of how big Paris is, you're walking around there. There's an equivalent underneath Paris itself, which is insane to think about. And people go down there, get lost, and die all the time. And so basically, we had to go down there and trust this, like, random guide that we'd met that day and be like, hey, don't leave us, because if you left us, we would die. We've actually known people that have gone down there. And the guides will, like, take them into a corner and be like, hey, go check out that cave. Steal their bags and run. And, like, leave them there to die just to rob them everything.

[Theo Von]

Because who would even notice that they died because of all the other bones.

[Sam]

Exactly. Just show them in the corner.

[Colby]

No one's coming to save you. Yeah, it's like hundreds of miles of this and it's all legal.

[Theo Von]

Bring that up can you give me some information on that? I didn't know it's like that, dude. I remember. Oh, my God, I forgot about this. I was trying to, like, flirt with our tour guide down there, and she was looking at me like I was the creepiest guy in the world, and.

[Colby]

And a bunch of skeletons.

[Theo Von]

In hindsight, I was.

[Sam]

You're like, so.

[Theo Von]

And some dude in our group kept making these boner jokes and shit. It was so dumb. He made, like, 40 boner. Like, dude, that's a. Yeah, just chill out. But he just wouldn't stop. But, yeah, I remember trying to flirt with this girl down there, and she must have been like, this guy's a creep.

[Sam]

Place in the time.

[Theo Von]

Yeah. Yeah. But, hey, shoot shooters. Shoot, right? Exactly.

[Colby]

No matter what this circumstance.

[Theo Von]

What's a rib cage amongst friends, you know? The Paris Catacombs refers to a vast underground network beneath Paris consisting of approximately 200 miles of tunnels and passageways. While these tunnels originally function as limestone quarries dating back to the 13th century, they were repurposed, purposed in the late 1700s as an ossuary, a final resting place eventually holding the bones of more than 6 million priests. That's unbelievable, man.

[Colby]

And there's really crazy structures down there. So, like, they'll have, like, ritual rooms. They'll be, like literal thrones made of human bones. Down there, there's like, all these things they call the bone rooms that are just stacked super high of towers of different bones. It's like, the most insane thing you've ever seen. Trying to conceptualize seeing a dead human now see 6 million of them, and they're all stacked in weird formations, and there's, like, baptismal rooms and things like that. It's.

[Sam]

That's the bone throne.

[Theo Von]

What?

[Sam]

Yeah.

[Theo Von]

That's a shitter.

[Colby]

I mean, well, hopefully not.

[Theo Von]

It'd be crazy if it was, right, bro.

[Colby]

You know, Someone's tried for sure.

[Theo Von]

Oh, definitely, dude. I've never had stage fright out the back, but I think I'd have it on that.

[Colby]

Oh, God.

[Theo Von]

What was the cause of all the deaths?

[Sam]

So a lot of it was just people that were dead above in the cemeteries.

[Colby]

Mainly from the plague.

[Sam]

Yeah, from the plague. And also, Paris was just, like, a very popular city, obviously. And so, like, over time, as it got, like, more and more people, they don't have enough room for the dead. And so they would just bring a lot of, like, people, like, dead bodies down to just dump them in the tunnels.

[Theo Von]

Oh, yeah. Below. There's nothing tackier than a dead dude. When you're trying to have, like, a night. Yeah. Especially like on the Champs Elysees or something like that. Nothing's more tacky looking than some dead ass dude. While you're trying to have, like, beautiful outfits and shit, while you just throw.

[Sam]

Them down, like, leave them in the.

[Colby]

Get them out of this beautiful city. All right, let's start. Come underneath.

[Theo Von]

Yeah. It's like just putting something under the rug, really.

[Sam]

For real.

[Colby]

Paris's rug.

[Sam]

It's crazy. And there was not only just, like, paranormal danger there that we, like, encountered, but also, like, extreme claustrophobia where we were, like, cave diving on, like, our hands and knees, essentially, like, wading through waters that were freezing cold up to, like, our nipples and stuff. Like, walking around.

[Colby]

Imagine getting frozen nips in two, two miles in the catacombs.

[Sam]

Yeah, literally. And then we're talking to ghosts.

[Colby]

And then I think the scariest of it all, actually, is the fact that there are known gangs that roam around in the Paris catacombs that actively try to steal from tourists because they know it's so popular for people to try to go out there and film and take things down there. And so if you get close, which actually, again, we know a couple buddies that have had this happen to them, they'll come and just jump. You just take all your stuff and walk away. There's people that know catacombs, like, the back of their hands. And so when they encounter a tourist, they're like, oh, I got you. Like, I'll just take all your equipment and, like, make you run, which is terrifying.

[Sam]

And what are you gonna do?

[Theo Von]

Grab a femur and beat somebody? Like, it would be almost scary. It would be a weird spot to even defend. It would all feel so surreal. If somebody's rocking you there and if.

[Colby]

They turn off your light, you're done. Like, you can't see this far ahead.

[Sam]

Yeah.

[Colby]

Oh, yeah. We went to some other catacombs, and that was really hard.

[Sam]

This is in Ukraine, so.

[Theo Von]

Okay.

[Sam]

Not Paris, but, yeah, basically like that all. All around the Paris catacombs.

[Theo Von]

And so that was part of one of the demonic places you guys checked out.

[Sam]

Yeah, got it.

[Colby]

So it was one of the four episodes of Hell Month. But it was, like, really surreal because that was the closest we'd ever really been to, like, dead bodies.

[Sam]

And not to mention, we got lost down there. So, like, we had our guide that we had just met, shout out Gaspard and Gaspard. Gaspard.

[Colby]

What an incredible name.

[Sam]

We were like, there's no way this guy's gonna leave us. His name's Gaspard. Gaspard. Like, we have to find our way out of here. But, yeah, we were, like, super, super late. Like, we were only supposed to be down there for, like, seven, eight hours, something like that. And we were, like, in our last investigation, realized, like, the time was up. And then it took us, like, another hour or two, maybe. Yeah. To find, like, the exit, because we would go to, like, where Gaspard thought there was going to be, like, an exit to, like, a manhole, and the police would actively, like, seal it up with cement. It was scary.

[Colby]

Yeah. So three different exits we thought were exits, and they're all closed off. And so we were like, oh, my God. Not only are we now, like, two hours late, all the people that we told to, like, worry about us are now worried about us, but we actually don't know where to get out. So we had to go all the way back to our original entrance. And it took so long, and everyone was, like, calling us. We, like, came out and there's no service down there. To a bunch of texts being like, are you dead?

[Sam]

Yeah. Zero.

[Colby]

It's so terrifying.

[Theo Von]

Gaspard.

[Colby]

Gaspard.

[Sam]

But he led us to safety. Let's go.

[Theo Von]

The name Gaspard is a French and Parisian origin. It means bringer of treasure or treasurer.

[Colby]

Oh, he brought us some treasure.

[Sam]

Yeah, we treasured him a lot.

[Colby]

Oh, Gaspard.

[Theo Von]

That is still a good name.

[Colby]

Yeah. That was actually one of the more crazy investigations. So we use this thing called. Or honestly, we actually just use a voice recorder. So it's like a stereotypical voice recorder, but there was one rendition of this Japanese voice recorder that they actually recalled back in the 70s because they kept getting other voices. And when they, like, play back the voice recording, like, they'd, you know, talk a sentence, but then they'd get a couple other voices and sentences in it, and they're like, oh, this must be weird. But then, like, later on, people were like, wait, no, these are legit. Other people talking in a room that nobody else is in. So now we use this as, like, piece of ghost equipment. And we can record on this voice recorder and ask a question and play it back. And there's actual conversations coming back to us that are not in the room. And it's thought that these voice recorders can pick up frequencies that the human ear can't hear. And so it's a literal way to have a conversation. And so we will ask someone, like, we'll ask a spirit, like, you know, hey, like, what are you doing here? Or something like that. Or, like, in this specific Sense. We asked, like, are you dead or alive? Just to see if it would fuck with us. And it literally said, was it I'm.

[Sam]

Alive Back very clear.

[Colby]

Like, super clear. It was one of the craziest things I ever heard.

[Sam]

And again, that's why we bring guests that have never experienced this before, so that they can, like, see this for the first time. And so, like, everybody was mind blown.

[Colby]

Like, imagine you're sitting there underground next to thousands of skeletons, and you ask to a voice recorder, are you dead or alive? You wait, you play it back. There is a new voice that wasn't there saying, I'm alive. And you're like, what?

[Sam]

Crazy.

[Theo Von]

That's a bar, dude. That's a. That's just a. That's a skeletal Drake.

[Sam]

We ran the. Out of there.

[Colby]

We're like, all right, well, this is actually terrifying.

[Theo Von]

Heavy, dude.

[Sam]

Yeah, it was crazy.

[Theo Von]

Has there been an experience that hit you more emotionally than other experiences, dude?

[Sam]

Yeah. Not to go back to the same video we were just talking about, but also during Hell month this month, we did the Pindle Hill. And Sam had mentioned that we were really trying to push the bar and talk to the actual devil himself. And earlier I had mentioned, like, I'm Christian. And so I. That was something that I was just like. No. Like, I always feel like I'm overstepping the line. Like, being involved in the paranormal as a Christian as it is, being involved in, like, occult magic and stuff like that.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, Yeah. I feel that it's.

[Sam]

Which is hard. It's like a mental battle for me. But at the same time, like, when our team first decided or came up with the idea of, like, maybe we can, like, invite a witch to summon the devil, I was like, guys, like, this is where I have to draw the line for, like, my. Which sounds like, like, duh.

[Theo Von]

This one.

[Colby]

Yeah.

[Sam]

And he did.

[Theo Von]

But no, but it's also interesting if you Sometimes. If you want to talk to. You know, sometimes you got to talk to this person to talk to that person, you know?

[Sam]

Exactly.

[Theo Von]

But. But was that. But. Sorry I stepped on you. What were you saying?

[Sam]

Oh, it's all good. It was just like. And we show it in the video as well, but, like, I basically pull Sam to the side right before he's about to do this, like, ritual, I guess you could say. And I had, like, a deep conversation with him where I was, like, nearly in tears talking to him about, like, dude, like, we're making, like, YouTube videos. Like, this is beyond that. Like, you are, like, meddling into some stuff that, like, I know you don't personally believe in, but this has, like, everything to do, like, with my faith, and I deeply believe in this.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, Sam's going too far.

[Sam]

Yeah.

[Theo Von]

For real.

[Sam]

And I was just like, yeah, Sam, actually comment down below. So why are you doing that, man?

[Colby]

Let's hash it out here, man. No, it was interesting, like, jokes aside.

[Theo Von]

And where was that at? Sorry?

[Sam]

Pindle Hill.

[Colby]

That was.

[Theo Von]

That was in uk. I could see that, man. I could see that. Because you, you know, it's almost just like. Like, if you say enough bad stuff, it's like you book, you know, it's like you become what you do, you know, it's like, it's. I could see that when you. There's a reason why people probably don't do it that much.

[Sam]

Exactly, exactly. Especially religious people like me. But, like, again, I am more so just, like, spreading hope to people. And that's kind of how, like, I mentally cope with what I do for a living. But, like, again, when it has to, like, delve into, like, hellish things, like literally talking to Satan, the devil himself, I was like, you know what? I'm good on that one. I'll just film, like, in the corner.

[Theo Von]

Yeah. Maybe talk to Satan's secretary, whatever. But I need the big dog in here.

[Sam]

Exactly.

[Theo Von]

But do you ever see any ghosts like, that are, like, hot chicks or like. Or is there ever any ghosts that are, like, jerking off or whatever?

[Sam]

Like, there's some prostitutes out there.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Colby]

Yeah, dude.

[Theo Von]

I feel like ghosts are always just kind of fun doing, like, trap. I don't feel like any of them are, like. Are any of them ever being sexy, I wonder. Or what are ghosts doing the most, I wonder.

[Sam]

Probably gooning behind the scenes. Nobody can see him, you know?

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Colby]

If you're invisible, what are you doing?

[Theo Von]

You know, if I were invisible, dude, I'd be freaking spraying, bro. I've already got a problem and I'm fully visible, so.

[Colby]

No one's safe, dude.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, nobody's safe, dude. Once I'm a ghost, bro, just.

[Colby]

No, but you gotta think. Yeah, like, what are they doing? Because they.

[Theo Von]

Once I'm a ghost, everything's all Groton homie. You feel me?

[Sam]

Exactly.

[Theo Von]

I'm spraying Cheese Dog type boys.

[Sam]

Now everybody will know, too, if, like, in the afterlife, they're like, what was that? Oh, Theo.

[Colby]

It comes in, like, haunts our videos later and, like, oh, that.

[Sam]

That's the something in my eye. Damn it, Theo.

[Theo Von]

You guys are just like. You always pretend it's bird. You're like, h. No, birds.

[Sam]

Must be ectoplasm indoors.

[Theo Von]

Like bird on you.

[Colby]

All right, we.

[Theo Von]

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[Colby]

I think have they?

[Theo Von]

Have they ever acknowledged it?

[Colby]

Like there was a president. I mistaken which one it is right now. But in the Bell Witch cave trials, which is actually here in Tennessee, I think, yeah, there was a case where somebody died and they ruled it in court as death by paranormal. And actually one of the presidents went to that location just to see the demons and confirmed that it was haunted. So I don't know if that's like the government getting behind paranormal, but they have acknowledged things like that that.

[Theo Von]

Wow, I can read this case here.

[Colby]

Yeah, this one's really interesting.

[Theo Von]

The only widely cited case in which a death was officially attributed to paranormal causes is the Bell witch haunting in Adams, Tennessee. Specifically the 1820 death of John Bell Senior John Bell, dude. And I think he's also the lead singer for Widespread Panic as well.

[Sam]

Love him.

[Colby]

According Many lives.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, he's had many lives, dude. According to numerous sources. Sources, John Bell's death was attributed by his family and several contemporaries to the Bell witch, a supernatural entity that tormented the Bell family beginning in 1817. The case is notable because Tennessee is reported to have recognized John Bell's death as caused by this supernatural, making it unique in American legal and folklore history.

[Colby]

Yeah, I think this is the only cited death that is like, recognized as paranormal.

[Theo Von]

Wow.

[Colby]

Most people are thinking. Most people think like, hey, you know, no one's died because the paranormal, no one gets hurt. But there's a lot of people that get hurt. And there is this one death that people have said, and I think this is the case as well, that a president at the time went to this location too.

[Theo Von]

John Bell's phenomenon grew so, and this is on perplexity, the phenomenon grew so intense that John Bell developed a mysterious illness. And after finding a strange vial of black liquid next to his bed. Oh, that would trip me out. If I even find like a girl's gum next to my bed, I can't even sleep good. His son tested it on a cat which died suddenly. The Bell witch allegedly claimed credit for poisoning John Bell, who died on December 20, 1820.

[Sam]

Why would the kid give it to the cat? Oh, here's some black tar liquid. Like, kitty, kitty, kitty, kitty. Come here.

[Theo Von]

It's like kid shit ever. It's like, ah, fuck this cat.

[Colby]

See if he dies too.

[Theo Von]

He's like, I miss my dad, but.

[Sam]

Fuck this cat, that cat.

[Theo Von]

The US President who was most famously associated with a visit to the Bell witch Cave was Andrew Jackson as a general and later as president, Jackson reportedly visited the Bell family property in Adams, Tennessee during the height of the Bell Witch disturbances. According to legend and multiple historical accounts, Jackson and his entourage experienced unexplained phenomena and chose to leave early. With Jackson famously quoted as saying he would would rather face the entire British army and spend another night with the Bell witch.

[Colby]

Isn't that crazy?

[Sam]

Andrew Jackson think, bro.

[Theo Von]

AJAK couldn't handle that broad.

[Sam]

And he's credible too. It's not just some random, like, homeless guy they brought over to, like, to assess the situation. Like, they brought the president who was like, dude, I'm not doing that ever again.

[Theo Von]

Dude.

[Colby]

It's crazy. This guy wasn't taking dmt, you know?

[Theo Von]

Yeah, yeah, this is the crowd. This guy had a sword up.

[Sam]

He's like, I can't do guy, dude.

[Theo Von]

That's wild though, right? It makes me think about. It makes me think about how, like, over the years, like, schizophrenia and these different things, like, we've, like, we've, we've given a lot of things a scientific term now also to make them marketable to medicine, but you don't think about how many of those things could just be also spiritual in nature? You know, I'm not saying that, that schizophrenia is spiritual in nature even though I'm sure the spirit is heavily affected. But you just don't know. You don't, you don't know what something could have happened in a past life that's now come through and is affecting a spirit in this life or affecting someone in this life. And it's a dis. And it's just looked at these days as a semi common disease that we have. But it's something that's far greater than that or was used to be deemed that way, you know.

[Sam]

So true.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, it's pretty wild.

[Sam]

Depends on what you believe exactly.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, it did seem more fun back then to believe in stuff too, I think because more people were believing things. Now a lot of our beliefs just like are looking on our phone and before our beliefs used to go into the air, you know, it is really sad.

[Colby]

I feel like, yeah, we're like facing a really secular time of like everyone's just like, ah, like if I don't see it on ChatGPT, then I'm not going to believe it type of thing. But no one's, like you said, like believing and like putting themselves out there to actually experience these things. Because at the end of the day it's so much harder to believe anything online, like anything over a video. I wouldn't believe a Ghost video from 10 years ago before I started this. And then I only started believing because I physically experienced it myself in person. So I fully like empathize with all the people that are online watching our videos, being like that's cool and all that you guys do this, but I can't believe it until I see it. So I would encourage a lot of people who are into this type of thing to actually know, go and experience these things or put yourself out there and try. Just like with faith, it's like if you just try to take someone's word for it, you know, whatever. But if you were to go to church and actually read these things and like go for it and really put yourself in there, then you might find God.

[Theo Von]

Oh, I'll notice the more I pray, the more when I walk into certain rooms or whatever, I could feel like my knees almost tingle a bit. Like I want to hit them right. Like I want to, you know, I want to hit my knees right there and pray right. And become sort of a practice. Like yeah, for sure. Whatever you practice and lean into becomes more of, of you, you know, and we probably used to be more connected to the spirit realm overall. You know, I'm sure, like, Native Americans especially, were so connected to it and, like, really lived by it and had a real, like. I bet they had like a real, like. Like gigahertz connection with like a. You know what I'm saying?

[Sam]

For sure.

[Colby]

Also, you had time to think. Now it's like the second that you go and take a. You're just like, swiping TikTok or something. It's like, not like you have a single moment away from distraction and entertainment. You don't have any second to wonder.

[Theo Von]

I know. Yeah, but I know it's crazy not to have a second to wonder when we're at part of something that's so wondrous. It's like. It's almost baffling. Dude, we'll get to the end of our lives and one of our last thoughts will be like, I was looking at my phone the whole time.

[Colby]

The entire. Oh, that's a sad thought right there. So true. I was just looking at my phone the whole time.

[Theo Von]

Wow.

[Sam]

Damn.

[Theo Von]

I literally won't even believe I'm dead until I check my phone.

[Sam]

Did I send that email?

[Theo Von]

Let me tap right back in here just to finish this. The US Government has not officially acknowledged the existence of ghosts as real supernatural entities, but there have been legal and cultural instances where haunted properties or ghost stories were referenced because of their impact on property value or cultural significance.

[Colby]

Yeah, there's actually a lot of, like, movies and stuff, obviously, that are based on, like, real life hauntings and things like that. Like, things happen so crazily, like, over decades, or, like, families get traumatized to the point that they become movies. And what's awesome, as you see, especially the recent ones that are happening in the last couple decades, there's so much documentation of them that it's really crazy to back things up and see these stories. And people sometimes have video evidence or audio evidence of, like, people getting possessed and things like that. And so it's really, really cool when we get to, like, go to places like that. Like, for example, I don't know if you just recently saw the Conjuring video.

[Theo Von]

Or the Moral House or the.

[Colby]

The Smurl House.

[Theo Von]

Sorry.

[Colby]

Yeah, yeah. So the. The Smurl House conjuring movie just came out. It's called Last Rites, and that was based on the Smurl House. But that was one of the cases that the most famous demonologist ever, Ed Lorraine Warren, investigated. And there was a demonic entity that was literally like, Petrifying this family for 13 years.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Sam]

They described this demonic entity as like an eight foot tall lizard man with, like, red eyes and scaly, like, scales, I guess you could say that would physically assault.

[Colby]

Scales, dude.

[Sam]

Physically assault Jack and Jane Smurl, who were the parents, and, like, lift them up from their beds and chuck them against the wall.

[Theo Von]

Holy. And they don't have an HOA or anything?

[Sam]

Exactly.

[Colby]

Right. Kick this guy out.

[Theo Von]

That's crazy. Call the plumber. You know what I'm saying? Dude. But I believe something like this could happen. The Smurl House haunting refers to a series of widely publicized claims of paranormal activity. You guys tell us about. I don't need to read this. What else do you guys know about it? Oh, it says here the family's German shepherd was reportedly levitated and slammed into a wall.

[Colby]

Yeah. Even the dog was attacked. But every single member of the family was attacked. And we're talking, like, they would be picked up and thrown against the wall, like, to the point of, like, the. The wife, like, broke bones because of the spirit. Like, the little girl in the family was thrown down the staircase.

[Sam]

You know, the fan flew off the ceiling and smacked one of the little girls and almost killed her as well. There were sexual assaults. It was like, the ghost word. Like physically and sexually assaulting the whole family.

[Colby]

It was crazy.

[Theo Von]

That'd be the worst. Because what if your parents come home? It looks like you're jerking off or whatever. Or you're sitting there just, you know, experiencing something. Yeah. Experiencing something with yourself that you caused jerking off, but you're not even doing it.

[Colby]

It's not. It's literally like, this is a demon.

[Theo Von]

And your mom. My mom would still gotten pissed at me. My mom would have blamed it on me.

[Sam]

It's a demon.

[Theo Von]

I'm not even looking at it. Know.

[Colby]

Yeah, I can't. Dude.

[Theo Von]

That's had to be. So how did they come and go in their home? Did you guys go there?

[Colby]

Well, like, the Smurl House, we were the first people since the demonologist Ed Lorraine Warren. Like, we're the first people to investigate it since then 40 years ago. So it was really, really, like, a cool experience to be able to go in there and, like, understand, like, what was the haunting, like, what. What actually happened there.

[Sam]

And there's two conjuring houses. There's one that's really famous in Rhode island, which is just the videos that are being played right now. And then there's this one that we haven't released yet. It's coming out for our finale of Hell month. And yeah, nobody has been there besides Ed and Lorraine Warren. 40 years ago. 50 years ago, yeah.

[Theo Von]

And what did it feel different? Did it come at a different time? Did it start differently? Like, how. How do you ease into, like, a new place that. That has a haunting, right. That. That has an energy like that? Like, do you approach it differently on the way there? Like, do you bring certain things with you to set up an atmosphere? Like, do you bring an altar? Like, what do you. Like, is there some sort of, like, precursor to your approach?

[Colby]

Definitely. I mean, especially something like that that hasn't been investigated for so long. And actually, at the time, 40 years ago, it was believed that in Lorraine Warren, like, brought in a priest and they didn't, like, an exorcism and got rid of the deep. So, like, theoretically, this place hasn't really been haunted for the last 40 years. It's just in a regular family home. So when you go back into there, it's mainly like the shell of the home of said spirit. And so in order to, like, make sure we were able to, like, contact that same person, we brought in a witch or a priestess. She's our friend. She actually, like, has helped us with a lot of these types of things and teaching us about the occult. And she brought in a spirit board, which is pretty much like a good Ouija board. It's not like one of those Hasbro ones you buy at Target. It's like the real deal.

[Theo Von]

Like one a woodpecker would like, definitely.

[Colby]

Like, homemade, all that stuff she does. She actually helped us with a full on, like, summoning ritual and that, like, brought in the spirits around. And we were able to talk to this thing, like, on a Ouija board. And what's absolutely crazy about that is, like, I never really believed in Ouija boards. I just thought, you know, it was fun gimmick, like, you know, especially the. The ones at Target, I guess, whatever. But when you do it correctly, like with a witch, it is the most insane experience you've ever had. You put your fingers on this planchette, and I don't know if you've ever seen a Ouija board, but there's a bunch of letters and numbers all over this board. And it said that you move this planchette around and it spells things out, but the feeling is so unlike anything you've ever felt before. Where the wood gets pulled out from underneath your fingertips. It is literally, you can feel a different presence pulling you in directions.

[Theo Von]

Like a magnet almost of sorts. A magnetism. Magnetism.

[Sam]

I never Believed in the Ouija board until doing it correctly with professional Pythian priestess. And I remember the first time we did it with her off camera, we were like, did you do that? He was like, no, you definitely did that. And we were like, hell, no. Because our fingers were going.

[Colby]

It was crazy. And it wasn't just a little slow thing. It was like something sometimes, like yanking to a yes or no or all. All around the board. Like, what is happening? Like, I don't. I can't believe this. It's. It's out of this world.

[Theo Von]

Well, especially if it's like, priestess, what's your number? Or whatever. Then you like, oh, that's definitely. That's holy.

[Sam]

Exactly.

[Colby]

That's funny. Like. Like, to that point, though, like, we'd ask questions. Especially the first time we did it, we'd be like, the first time we ever did that, the first conjuring house, we asked the spirit like, yo, do you like us? And so, like, no. It was like, what do you want from us? And it was like, go away. It was like, leave me and give me my peace, pretty much. And I was like, damn, okay. They don't with us.

[Sam]

Which happens. Which happened because honestly, like, spirits are just like people, like, in real life.

[Theo Von]

Easy. Yeah. Yeah.

[Sam]

I mean, if. If there's like a bad person you meet in real life, there's probably going to be a bad person in the afterlife. That doesn't mean they're like a demonic thing, but like, yeah, you'll run into, like, bad apple sort of people all the time that just don't want to talk to you or anything, which is understandable.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, that's wild, you kids. Yeah, it could just be somebody who's just chilling, somebody's having lunch or whatever you guys are bothering them or something.

[Sam]

Exactly.

[Colby]

Shut up, dude.

[Sam]

Summon them to a Ouija board. And they're like, off. Like, I can't leave.

[Colby]

It's like you're like, calling out, like, you know, cold calling somebody. And like, God, just shut up. I don't want to talk.

[Theo Von]

Right. Or they're like, I'm gay or whatever. You're like, what? It doesn't matter what. You're welcome here either way.

[Colby]

It's all good. You're same with us guys.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, dude, Like, a long time ago, people cared about that. But that's totally normal now.

[Sam]

Dude, this emotional experience, he's like, really?

[Theo Von]

Some ghost has been waiting forever to come out of the closet, and he finally gets it through a Ouija board. You're like, dude, nobody cares.

[Sam]

Everybody John Is gay. He's like, all right, thank you.

[Theo Von]

70% of people are gay, dude. Chill, bro. Chill.

[Sam]

But, dude, what was crazy about this, like, recent experience with the spearboard at the.

[Theo Von]

This was at the small house, and this was where the conjuring was.

[Sam]

Conjuring? Last rites movie.

[Theo Von]

Okay, got it. Where they filmed it at? No, where it allegedly happened at.

[Sam]

Yeah. Based on the true story.

[Theo Von]

Based on the true story.

[Colby]

Filmed at a replica of this place.

[Theo Von]

Got it.

[Sam]

And it's this tiny duplex.

[Theo Von]

Had this been messed with before? Did it look the same as when.

[Sam]

Back then, family had lived?

[Colby]

Yeah. Like, if you look at the old tapes from Ed and Lorraine Warren, the demonologist that helped try to save this house, you'll see, like, exactly the same layout and everything. Like, it looks like it did 40 years ago. It's really.

[Theo Von]

So some of these places, like, going back in time, too?

[Sam]

Definitely. Yeah. Time capsules. Yeah. We were doing the spirit board session in the living room of this duplex. And again, like, imagine just like a regular house. Like, there was literally cheez. Its, like, on, like, the counter and stuff like that. Like, yeah, somebody lived there. And we uncovered the craziest evidence about the Smurl family that could actually get us in trouble. No joke. And so, like, when this comes out, like, in. On Halloween, dude, it's gonna cause, like, an uproar in, like, the paranormal community of things be crazy.

[Theo Von]

That's what I'm talking.

[Sam]

Yes, sir.

[Theo Von]

Dude, I wonder if there's, like, an apparent, like, a bus stop that had, like, a crazy, like, a lot of people. I'm just trying to think of neat places that aren't, like, kind of like, that aren't like, a building or something where, you know, where you could investigate also. Have there been places like that?

[Colby]

Yeah, I mean, where there's not, like.

[Theo Von]

An edifice, like an entity, like a building, like a. Yeah.

[Colby]

I mean, like, to that point, you would think that everywhere could be potentially haunted, right? Like, it's. It doesn't have to be a location. It's just maybe places that are a location have more energy or they were a home in a past life. And so it's, like, more likely, like you said, maybe a bus stop or maybe, you know, like a favorite area to play is, like, on a playground or something like that. As a kid. You don't know. Maybe something has a deeper meaning or connection to a human, and that could be haunted.

[Sam]

Yeah, there's a lot of times, like, we'll go to a spot, and it's not, like, haunted by Something like evil or scary. But sometimes there was, you know, like, a big, like. Like, for example, we own a spot called Farrar elementary in Iowa, and it.

[Theo Von]

Used to be for our elementary.

[Sam]

Farrar.

[Theo Von]

For our elementary. It's a school. It's a real school.

[Sam]

Real school.

[Theo Von]

You guys own it?

[Sam]

We own it.

[Colby]

Or principals.

[Sam]

We're principals.

[Theo Von]

Oh, yeah.

[Sam]

And the students there.

[Theo Von]

And is it functional?

[Sam]

It's functional for, like, ghost hunting tours.

[Theo Von]

Oh, okay.

[Colby]

It closed down. Like. Okay, got it.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Sam]

It's not like we're teachers. Yeah, there it is.

[Colby]

Yeah, we own the school.

[Sam]

But it used to be a hub, like, what, like, 100 years ago, where, like, a lot of people would just go there and party. So all the spirits there are a lot of the spirits there just, like, hang around. Because it was a cool spot in life.

[Colby]

It was the, like, center of the town. So not only was it an elementary school at the time, but it was also where people, like, got married. It's also where people had dances, they had basketball games. They had everything at this, like, one area. And so a lot of the spirits there are, like, really nice. So it's. It's cool. And even, like, outside of this area, like, even in the woods or, like, the playground, those also can be, like, haunted locations.

[Sam]

Crazy.

[Theo Von]

It's interesting to think about how I show up to places and then what I want out of them. Whether that place is an actual building, you know, or if it's a. To show up to spirits. Whatever you want, you know, it's just about, like, how I show up and what do I want?

[Sam]

Right.

[Theo Von]

You know, that could be if I'm going to get an education, if I'm going to summon a entity. It could be anything, you know, if I'm going to have a relationship with somebody, you know?

[Colby]

True.

[Theo Von]

Dude, I freaking texted this girl today, dude. I'm afraid to look at my phone.

[Colby]

Because I don't know.

[Theo Von]

Back, dude. Yeah.

[Sam]

Is that it? What was the opening line? Can you spill?

[Theo Von]

Yeah, I, like, I got. I. I met her the other night, and I felt like we, like, had some chemistry. Right. Like, I felt like there was something there. Right.

[Colby]

Cool.

[Theo Von]

You know when you feel like there's something there?

[Colby]

Yeah.

[Theo Von]

You know. You know when you meet someone, you feel like there's something there, right? Because you meet a lot of people, there's nothing there. Sometimes you pretend there's something there. Sometimes you have two drinks and pretend there's something there. It's like.

[Sam]

Right.

[Colby]

The two drinks can create something there.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, those are. Those. And those are not real. That's just you making your own EMFs. Right.

[Sam]

But.

[Theo Von]

But I felt like there was something there. So I got her number and then I sent her a text today. I said, hey, my buddy was thinking about asking you out also. My buddy is me. She's gonna say, no.

[Colby]

Dude, where's your confidence level on here? One to ten. Like, you think you feel good about this?

[Theo Von]

No. It'll be all right.

[Colby]

It'll be all right.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Sam]

You're responsible.

[Theo Von]

I don't know, but I was screaming afterwards, like, there was intensity in me of, like, that always got rid. That is just constantly rejected. That energy was summoning, like, the most rejection in the world.

[Colby]

But anyway, you gotta summon that positivity. Yeah.

[Theo Von]

You're like, I gotta change that up a little bit. What are some of the most haunted places in America? Have you. Do we. Is there even a map that shows that? I'm sure you guys know this.

[Colby]

Oh, yeah. There's a bunch that are, like, really cool.

[Theo Von]

So what's the most haunted state? Do you know it?

[Sam]

Probably on the east coast somewhere.

[Colby]

Yeah, east coast is, like. You got to think it's way older, you know, so, like, way more history has happened in there. But yeah, there's a couple that are, like, really, really cool. So obviously, the conjuring house that we talked about is first conjuring a massive place in Rhode Island. There's a couple of really, really cool spots. Like the Winchester Mystery House. I don't know if you've ever heard of that. There is a house in San Jose, California, that has, like, 130 rooms or something like that. It's insane. It was built for, like, almost a century purely to try to, like, you.

[Sam]

Know, like, have you ever heard of Winchester rifles at all? So it was that. That family, like, owned this estate.

[Colby]

Yeah. And it's believed that actually this has become like, some sort of hub for spirits. Like, there's so many rooms, and it's so, like, known to be haunted that. That people bring spirits. They, like, drop their spirits off here. It's almost like a Grand Central station for spirits now. And it's. Yeah, this is definitely one of the most haunted places.

[Theo Von]

Like the Hogwarts train station.

[Sam]

Yeah, exactly.

[Theo Von]

That's so cool. You guys went there.

[Colby]

Yeah, a couple times. It's really crazy. I mean, even if you don't believe in ghosts, it's one of the coolest things in the United States.

[Theo Von]

It's pretty magnificent, huh? Yeah. And where is that located?

[Sam]

San Jose, California.

[Theo Von]

Interesting.

[Colby]

And it's crazy because, like, all none of the architecture makes sense. It's like there will be three store three steps up to a floor and then seven steps down to another floor. Or like, staircases that lead to nowhere. Or like a door that, if you open on the second floor, will just drop you down and you'll fall off. Like, there's no patio or anything. It's like, the most bizarre thing you've ever seen. And it's pretty. It's pretty spectacular.

[Theo Von]

Wow.

[Colby]

There's things like that. Or, like, on the other side of the United States, there's this thing called the Trans Allegheny Lunatic Asylum. And it's, like, the second biggest asylum like, ever made or something. And there's, like, hundreds of rooms about people that used to get lobotomies. And so it's a pretty tortured, tortured spot. It's one of the creepiest places we've ever been.

[Theo Von]

Wow, that place looks magnificent. It almost looks like University of Syracuse.

[Colby]

It's as big as a university. And this. That building right there is only one of, like, 20 on the property.

[Theo Von]

It's a historic former psychiatric hospital located in Weston, West Virginia. Best known for its haunting atmosphere, architectural significance, and role in the history of mental health care in the U.S. the asylum originally followed the Kirkbride plan, a psychiatric hospital design emphasizing space, light, and therapeutic architecture. Many patients were admitted for reasons now considered unscientific, such as asthma, laziness, and domestic troubles.

[Sam]

If you beat your wife, like, you could go to this asylum, even if.

[Theo Von]

You tickle her hard, if she's sensitive.

[Colby]

Dude, people can admit it. Like, husbands would drop their wives over there if they were, like, reading a bad book or something. It was bad. Like, pretty much you could just leave your wife to die type of thing. But, yeah, in that specific location in the asylum was one of our crazy experiences ever. We were just asking out to see if anything could, you know, do a knock or give us a sign or whatever. And between Colby and I, we heard, like, a pretty scary old man voice say the word Lily, like, in our ears and was like, what? And apparently, like, yeah, we asked around, and Lily is a spirit that is known to be, like, a child figure that's actually more of, like, this darker entity, but, like, we heard it with our ears, and there was, like, three other people that were around that also, like, vouched for us that were like, wait, no, there was another voice that was not in between you two that.

[Sam]

Talked, and the camera caught it. So it's on camera, but the recorder that we were using asking questions didn't it so it makes no sense that like the voice could only show up on one thing.

[Theo Von]

Unless the gate, the hertz of it or something was a certain. Is it called hertz? What is it called?

[Colby]

Yeah, something frequency.

[Theo Von]

Yeah. Unless the frequency of it, the audio frequency of it was a certain pitch or pentameter or something. I believe there's so many different like frequencies that we just do not have the ability to calculate. Yeah.

[Colby]

Hearing or seeing. Like you just look at this color scale of what the eye can see and it's just nothing. It's like, I don't know, like 10% of actual. I don't know, whatever you look at.

[Theo Von]

Yeah. We only have five senses, dude.

[Sam]

Yeah.

[Theo Von]

And they're great. I'm not saying anything. God, they're good. But I'm also saying, dude, what if we had like 40 senses and we're pulling in all that information?

[Sam]

Yeah.

[Theo Von]

Who knows?

[Sam]

Maybe we will one day when we die.

[Theo Von]

What's one last thing? We could go in. That would be good for you guys. You guys think that's interesting? Oh, maybe. What would make you stay around to be a ghost?

[Sam]

That's so funny. Honestly, if Sam still had the YouTube channel and I passed away, I would just like make that viral as hell. I could be following him to every, like every haunted place and just shove him down the stairs.

[Colby]

Just like torment me. But I'm like, hell yeah. This is the craziest.

[Sam]

Are you here and you just fall down a flight of stairs?

[Colby]

Slap me in the face.

[Sam]

Just always here.

[Colby]

Guys, I want to levitate. So, dude, if you could do that, that be great, dude.

[Theo Von]

Thank you. Thank you guys so much, man. This has been awesome, dude.

[Colby]

Yeah, appreciate. This is awesome.

[Theo Von]

It's been cool. It's been good to get to meet you guys and just like. Yeah. Hoping to stay in touch or something, you know. This has been fun and I needed something that was just a good conversation, you know. So thank you.

[Colby]

Yeah. I love how open you are about this. I mean a lot of people like, ah, the ghost, whatever, that's not real. But I feel like you. You get the mindset that we go into with it, whether or not you believe in it or not. Like, I like the mindset.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, I think. Well, I think it surprised me, you know, because Dave Attell has one of my favorite jokes. He's like, I was watching and I'm paraphrasing it it, but he's like, I was watching Ghost Hunters the other day. It involves two of my favorite things. Wandering around aimlessly and sheer disappointment.

[Sam]

That's so funny.

[Theo Von]

And I always love that joke. It's so good, right?

[Colby]

That's hilarious.

[Theo Von]

I never had thought of it in the sense of, like, I want something to be here. Right? I want something to be here. And I've been thinking about stuff like that in my life recently. Just like, meeting God halfway, meeting the spirits halfway that are out there, there, like, how can I show up to receive the best things that are out there waiting for me, you know?

[Colby]

And that would also kind of translate to real life, too. Like, whether spiritual or like, like you said, like, show up to your next, like, friend gathering or your family, or like your relationship, like, putting in that effort to get what you want out of it.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, right. Like, sometimes I want my holidays to be great and I'll just think that somebody else is going to make them great. Like, I go there, I go in the living room, I yell about a casserole or something.

[Colby]

You know what I'm saying? Show us up.

[Theo Von]

I talk shit. Then I take a nap, then I eat a nap. And then I leave. And I'm like, God, I wish our family had connected better like that casserole, by the way. But it's like, that's what I brought to it, you know? Right. But I'm still expecting this other thing. So I think just having a whole nother way to look at that and then to ask, like, if I wanted to, like, my father's pass away. Everybody has family members that have passed away. But to say, hey, dad, I'm thinking about you today.

[Sam]

Yeah.

[Theo Von]

Share with me what you're thinking, you know, Think with me, feel with me. I want to feel your feelings today. Or I want to know you love me today. Like, not be afraid to speak out. Like, we have this voice in this thing. Like, when we open our hands up to the world, to the sky, to the universe, you feel something, right? That's not mythological. And so I think that, that this is just a great reminder before you guys go. Is there a goat of ghost hunting? Is there a. Is there someone, like, who was the first ghost hunter? Like, is there a goat?

[Sam]

Probably Ed and Lorraine Warren are like, the goats. They're more demonologists, though, if you want to get technical about it. Also, Zach Baggins is our king, dude.

[Colby]

Zach Baggins is our father, dude.

[Theo Von]

Zach Vegans, Zach Bacons. Have you ever heard of him?

[Sam]

He has this crazy museum out in Vegas. I really recommend going to. He is the father of paranormal. He does TV ghost adventures. If you've seen that, like, the ghosts.

[Colby]

Are scared of him, you Know, like, wow.

[Sam]

Obviously macho dude. Tall.

[Theo Von]

Yeah. He's like the kid rock of ghosts.

[Colby]

Kind of what's up, sexy? What are you talking about?

[Theo Von]

Okay.

[Sam]

Everybody loves him.

[Colby]

Well, maybe just me, dude. Yeah. If you have. If you ever go to Vegas, you should go to his museum. He's like. It's actually, like, really sick. Not gonna lie. He has a bunch of, like, haunted objects, and we actually got to hold some of the most, like, haunted dolls in the world here, which is, like, really, really crazy.

[Theo Von]

Yeah. There's something special that people about to collect these things and put these types of situations together.

[Sam]

Yeah.

[Theo Von]

Happy early Halloween, guys.

[Colby]

Yeah. Happy Halloween.

[Theo Von]

It's an exciting time. It's always been my favorite holiday.

[Colby]

Same by far.

[Theo Von]

The.

[Colby]

It's the best holiday, you know, only does for the spooky stuff, but also just like, dressing up. Like, feel like the vibes are happier now.

[Theo Von]

Yeah. It's kind of the only time people even go talk to their neighbors anymore. You'll run over there, beg them for candy. Poison candy. Exactly.

[Sam]

Like, give me some candy.

[Theo Von]

People don't even know their neighbors, but now they will send their kids. They'll send a kid covered in a sheet. Right. With two eye holes that are barely running right through traffic just to go get a baby. Snicker.

[Sam]

It's a beautiful season.

[Theo Von]

It really is.

[Sam]

It's a great time.

[Colby]

It's a beautiful season for sure.

[Theo Von]

Happy Halloween, Sam and Kobe, you guys. Hell week will be out over the next month, and those episodes are coming out and people can tap into what's going on with you guys. Yeah. Thanks for just all the years of entertainment to your commitment to it. I'm sure it's been challenging and in certain moments and we didn't get to talk about some of that kind of stuff, dude. But yeah, this is just awesome, man. I really appreciate yalls time and yeah, I'll keep in mind if there's something that I feel that's a little bit haunted that I want to get back.

[Sam]

To, let us know.

[Colby]

Sounds good, man.

[Theo Von]

I wish we could travel into our past and. And deal with a spirit there. I wonder if there's a way to kind of like.

[Colby]

There's a lot of, like, past life regression talk that, like, people kind of see themselves in past lives and like. Yeah. Or be haunted in past lives type of thing, which is really interesting, but whole. Whole nother story for another time.

[Theo Von]

Amen, brother. You guys have a good one.

[Colby]

Yeah. Thank you.

[Theo Von]

Thanks.

[Colby]

Now I'm just floating on the breeze and I feel I'm falling like these.

[Sam]

Leaves I must be cornerstone?

[Theo Von]

Oh, but when I reach that ground.

[Colby]

I'll share this peace of mind I.

[Sam]

Found I can feel it in my.

[Colby]

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[Theo Von]

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[Theo Von]

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