#625 - Matthew McConaughey

Summary

Podcast Summary: This Past Weekend w/ Theo Von

Episode: #625 - Matthew McConaughey
Date: November 20, 2025
Host: Theo Von
Guest: Matthew McConaughey
Theme: Finding Meaning, Legacy, and Identity—Faith, Football, and Family with Matthew McConaughey

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Episode Overview

In this richly textured conversation, comedian-host Theo Von sits down with acclaimed actor and author Matthew McConaughey to talk life, legacy, faith, family, football, and McConaughey’s new book "Poems and Prayers." Broadcasting from Austin, the two explore growing up in the South, the evolution of cultural moments, parenting, fame, identity, authenticity, and spiritual practices—with plenty of football and colorful storytelling along the way.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Southern Roots and Childhood Memories

• Matthew’s Louisiana-Texas Lineage: Matthew reminisces about family ties to Louisiana—annual trips for the Morgan City Shrimp Festival, and the unique vibe of “where the weeds grow a little taller and the chassis is just a touch looser.”

  • (01:18): “That Louisiana humidity bleeds over a little bit over the border there, you know?”

• Rowdy Youth & Wrestling Nostalgia: Early concerts and getting kicked out of Hearst Coliseum for youthful mischief at WWE matches, including pelting wrestlers and sneaking back in through a bathroom window.

  • (02:23): “If you spit a loogie on King Kong Bundy when he's coming to the ring, yes, they will try to kick you out.”

• The Bittersweet Nature of Idolization: Touching moment on seeing childhood wrestling heroes in old age—“magnificent and weird,” a blend of sadness and gratitude.

  • (03:37): “You see just the remnants of these heroes, kind of like the stained statues in a way...beautiful and sad.”

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Heroes, Legacy, and the Changing Nature of Culture

Evel Knievel and the Meaning of Courage

• Real-Life Heroes: Matthew shares about knowing Evel Knievel in his later life and what people misunderstood about him—not a death wish, but a “life wish.”

  • (04:51): “He needed to jump because he needed to sweat in his boots.”

• Integrity with Time, Messy Authenticity:

  • (05:54) Theo on Knievel: “To tell time, to tell, like, existence, I'm gonna be there and meet existence right there. That's pretty ballsy.”

• From Risk to Spectacle: How public interest shifts from wishing for a hero’s victory to craving the drama of their defeat.

  • (06:35): “People started...I’m coming for the crash.”

The Era of Unrecorded Moments

• Technology and Dopamine: Matthew outlines a study about how technology changed human satisfaction—from experiencing the moment, to recording, to sharing it online.

  • (10:03): “The biggest scientific dopamine hit…is when we press share. Now, that's a little bit like living in third person.” (10:42)

• Identity and Social Media: Conversation on people defining themselves by public perception, especially for the younger generation.

  • (11:13): “My sponsor tells me, you're not who they think you are...and you're not who you think they think you are.”

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College Football, Team Identity & Coaching Philosophy

• Navigating Change in Football:

  • Impact of player transfers (portals), “fair weather” fans and franchises, and the challenge of building brand or identity when teams change constantly.
  • (14:00): “It's harder to create as an organization...a brand of football.”

• Football Brands & Culture:

  • Discussion of teams with persistent identity: New England Patriots’ “do-your-job” mantra, Alabama’s Saban, Pittsburgh’s defense, and the shifting nature in the college game.

• Coaching & Psychology:

  • Sharing classic, raw post-game interviews (Jim Mora, Mike Leach) and what that candor means about leadership and fandom.

  • (17:23) Jim Mora: “We got our ass kicked. It was sickening...We stunk. Just stunk."

  • On Coach Daryl K. Royal’s idea: Only three “peak potential” games a season—most of coaching is psychological management.

    • (21:24): “You can get the maximum potential out of your team three Saturdays a season.”

• Confidence vs. Ego:

  • McConaughey: “Ego's gotten a bad rap...confidence with the ‘I’ is true ego when we handle it right.” (25:38)

• Humility Definition:

  • “Admitting that we have more to learn.” (28:08)

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Courage, Creativity, and Family

The Nature of Courage & Fear

• Acting, Commitment, and the ‘Next Right Thing’:

  • McConaughey describes his process for knowing when he’s afraid due to genuine risk versus healthy challenge, both in acting and in life commitments.

  • (33:13): “Courage is often one more step in the right direction.”

  • (35:50): “If everybody only did what they love to do, there'd be a whole lot of unemployment.”

• The Necessity of Sacrifice:

  • On tending to “non-negotiable” projects like family, even if it costs comfort or personal ease.
  • (39:18): “Can we find non-negotiable projects?...When I'm lost and don't know what the hell I'm doing...if I concentrate on that, I can't go wrong.”

Family Rituals & Parenting

• Creating Tradition and Intention:

  • His wife’s commitment to family rituals, daily dinners, sharing gratitude around the table as a way of building family “bonfires.”
  • (47:38): “Everyone's going to go around...share something out loud, something thankful for.”

• Teaching, Not Assuming:

  • The importance of not skipping steps with children—explaining, modeling, and building context before they encounter the world on their own.
  • (49:26): “We think that kids are just adults in a week sometimes...there's a whole lot of things that...they don't know.”

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Faith, Spiritual Practice, and Prayer

• Prayer as a Physical and Spiritual Act:

  • The act of bowing is “to literally bow down so we can put our heart above our head,” physically and metaphorically prioritizing compassion. (86:32)

• Faith Practices and Gratitude:

  • Growing up with “baseline gratitude”—not allowed at the breakfast table unless ready to see the “rose in the vase instead of the dust on the damn table.”
  • (92:15): “Be thankful for what you have and try and multiply that with yourself and others.”

• Having a Relationship with the Sacred:

  • Both discuss maintaining humility with success, and “giving ourselves some grace.” (89:16)
  • (88:39): “Trying to please you pleases you” — referencing Thomas Merton.

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Writing, Creativity & the New Book

• Origins of "Poems and Prayers":

  • Started writing as therapy and self-discovery during an exchange year in Australia—writing long letters to himself.
  • (80:51): “I was losing my mind. I didn't know what...I didn't have a compass.”

• Transformational vs. Transactional Living:

  • On living with faith, courage, and sacrifice: “Transformation comes with sacrifice...if life is purely transactional, you die all the way. Transformational, you will die a little because you make a sacrifice to live forever.” (90:38)

• Making Wisdom Palatable:

  • McConaughey on advice: “If you can put it in a rhyme...it makes the broccoli taste like candy.” (84:15)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Evel Knievel’s Integrity:

  • “He needed to jump because he needed to sweat in his boots.” (04:51) – Matthew McConaughey

• On Modern Identity:

  • “The biggest scientific dopamine hit that we get as humans is not the doing of the deed, is not the recording of the deed. It is when we press share.” (10:03) – McConaughey

• On Ego and Confidence:

  • “There's a difference to going, I, I have confidence, I have confidence. Than there is, oh, look at me. The difference between I and me.” (25:38) – McConaughey

• Prayer as Worship:

  • “Prayer comes from worship, which means to literally bow down so we can put our heart above our head.” (86:32) – McConaughey

• On Family and Priorities:

  • “We created it. We're on our way. We think we're doing all right. Let's keep putting log wood on this fire. But you three kiddos, you're responsible for going and chopping wood here, too, and bringing the log back to the fire.” (48:53) – McConaughey

• On Football Community:

  • “The SEC is one of the best forms of tribalism in the world.” (61:04) – McConaughey

• On Transformation:

  • “Transformation comes with sacrifice...If you're only transactional...then you die all the way. You die a lot. Transformational, you will die a little because you make it a sacrifice to live forever.” (90:38) – McConaughey

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Important Timestamps

• 00:56 — McConaughey’s Louisiana roots and wrestling stories
• 04:49 — Knowing Evel Knievel, “life wish” vs. death wish
• 10:03 — The science of sharing and dopamine
• 17:23 — Raw Jim Mora interview: “We stunk, just stunk.”
• 21:24 — Three “peak potential” games: psychology of coaching
• 25:38 — Ego, confidence, and humility redefined
• 33:13 — Courage as "one more step in the right direction"
• 47:38 — Family ritual: "around the horn" gratitude at dinner
• 62:49 — On staying young by staying around young people
• 86:32 — Prayer as putting heart above head
• 92:15 — Baseline gratitude and upbringing

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Closing Thoughts

This episode is a sprawling, heartfelt, and humorous dialogue about what makes life meaningful: the search for identity outside of public perception, the necessity of courage and faith, the importance of family bonds and traditions, and the ongoing tension between humility and confidence. McConaughey’s homespun wisdom, vivid storytelling, and poetic insights offer both practical advice and food for the soul, making a compelling case for tending your own garden—whether of family, faith, or personal growth.

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Book Plug:
Matthew McConaughey’s "Poems and Prayers" is out now, featuring inspiration for living, personal stories, poetic meditations, and spiritual reflections.

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For listeners craving conversations with depth, candor, and lift, this is an episode not to miss.

Transcript

[Theo Von]

Don't miss Sebastian Maniscalco's new stand up special It Ain't Right Premiering on Hulu November 21st. Filmed live at the sold out United center arena in Chicago. Sebastian goes all in on family chaos, aging, non existent manners and life's most relatable and frustratingly funny moments as only he can watch. Sebastian Maniscalco it ain't right on November 21st streaming on Hulu and Hulu on Disney plus for bundle subscribers terms apply. Today's guest is a legendary actor, author, thought leader, just, just a real vibe curator. He has a new book out called Poems and Prayers. We had a great time down here in Austin getting to know each other. Today's guest is Mr. Matthew McConaughey.

[Matthew McConaughey]

And I will find a song I will sing. Glad to be here.

[Theo Von]

Yeah. Thank you so much, Matthew. Nice to meet you, man.

[Matthew McConaughey]

You too, bud. Where are you from?

[Theo Von]

I'm from Louisiana.

[Matthew McConaughey]

Which part?

[Theo Von]

I'm from Covington, Louisiana. Down there about 40 miles north of New Orleans.

[Matthew McConaughey]

Okay. My. I got a. I love Louisiana. Where the weeds grow a little taller and the chassis is just a touch looser. But my family, my dad's mother, the Maitlands had a school in Morgan City. So we would go to Morgan City every year for the shrimp festival. My dad grew up later live at City park outside of New Orleans. And my best friend who since passed away from Zachary, Louisiana. And I've always. I was raised in east Texas so that Louisiana humidity bleeds over a little bit over the border there, you know?

[Theo Von]

Oh yeah. It's like somebody just exhale in a big. Yeah. Hit a cigarette smoke.

[Matthew McConaughey]

You hit Hearst Coliseum, man. Because you could, you could drink at 18. Get over there for my first concert was rat. Yeah. Remember that?

[Theo Von]

R A T T R A T T man. Yeah.

[Matthew McConaughey]

Down. Round and round.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Matthew McConaughey]

And I go to WWE matches over there.

[Theo Von]

Bro, you were in the best place for wrestling.

[Matthew McConaughey]

Yeah, I got kicked out of Hearst Coliseum twice.

[Theo Von]

You got kicked out of it two times.

[Matthew McConaughey]

Two times. Which is tough to do. Yeah. But if you spit a loogie on King Kong Bundy when he's coming to the ring, yes, they will try to kick you out. But then you get put. You get kicked out. And there is a window on the exterior of Hersh here that goes to one of the bathrooms from which I snuck back in. And then I had a hidden a bag of rotten Tomatoes and I pelted Scandar Akbar from the stands and got kicked out of awesome.

[Theo Von]

Dude, bro, they should have paid you for being there. That's Bro, you're helping from the crowd. Bring up Scandar.

[Matthew McConaughey]

Act bar. There he is.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Matthew McConaughey]

God. Remember, he was that. That was the bad guy at that time.

[Theo Von]

Always, dude. They always had that little kind of cheeky bad guy, you know, we had Kevin Von Erich on here.

[Matthew McConaughey]

Oh, there we go.

[Theo Von]

And that was pretty special, man. I loved wrestling at that time.

[Matthew McConaughey]

It was so fun, man. Hacksaw Jim Duggan was my guy. Yeah, I'm out with the two by four.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, dude, I saw him. I went to Terry. I went to Hulk Hogan's funeral, and Hacksaw was there.

[Matthew McConaughey]

Yeah, there we go.

[Theo Von]

It was pretty cool, man. All my heroes were there. Like, I had figurines of them at home, and the figurines are taller these days, and half of them are. A lot of guys, like, in wheelchairs, it was kind of tough to see because you see like, just the. The remnants of these heroes, kind of like the stained statues in a way, you know, it was pretty. It was magnificent and weird. You know, it's like. It was beautiful and sad. It's like you almost want to pretend that things are just in a certain place in time. You know, Your book kind of goes into some stuff like that.

[Matthew McConaughey]

Yeah. Were you Evil Knievel fan?

[Theo Von]

I didn't get into much. We'd see him, like, I think I saw him do one jump, but that might have been just touch before. I was, like, kind of awake to.

[Matthew McConaughey]

The world I got into because my brother turned. Turned me on to my older brother Pat. Anyway, he was just thinking about, you know, fallen heroes and icons that, you know, I got to know him later in his life when Evil. Yeah. Got to know him pretty good doggone well, man. I was trying to, you know, there's still a story out there to be told on him, a movie to be made, and I was around it and developing it for 25 years. And. Yeah, there we are. Spoke at his. At his funeral.

[Theo Von]

No way. That's so cool.

[Matthew McConaughey]

Yeah.

[Theo Von]

What kind of guy was he?

[Matthew McConaughey]

Oh, man. You know, he did not. People. The misconception are like, he had a death. He didn't have a death, which. He had a life wish, dude. He was as. He said he needed to jump because he needed to sweat in his boots. It was almost like, I think his. When he got on the bike and put his hands on the Anabar, I think his pulse went down, meaning, you know. You know. You know, the certain boxers that. That get the beat out of him, and they're like, dude, you're taking four fights. Here's too Many and they like tell you, no, I have to my life outside when I don't have right train or get ready to provide is tougher on me.

[Theo Von]

Too scary. A lot of guys say that, you.

[Matthew McConaughey]

Know, and I think evil. He would always say like, hey, he wouldn't postpone any jump, even if it was impractical. Even if his engineers like, dude, you're not going to make it. He was like, well, the American people want. They paid their tickets and they're going to show up on time. We're going to do this. I mean, I think part of that for him, my opinion is that he was like, no, I got to, I have to jump, right? I. I can't postpone these things.

[Theo Von]

Well, also to have that level of integrity with time itself, with the clock of life, right? To be like, because I've postpone things. I'll feed you. I'll be 10 minutes late. I'm be 15, 20. But to say to tell time, to tell like existence, I'm going be there and meet existence right there. That's pretty ballsy. I mean, these days it's super ballsy. But yeah, I mean, it's just. I think it's a ballsy thing for anybody to do. But he was like Red Bull before they made a damn liquid, remember? I mean he was.

[Matthew McConaughey]

Hell yeah.

[Theo Von]

People would tune in all the extreme sports. You know, I remember people just in the yard if he was gonna jump one night that had people out in the yard drinking Dr. Pepper and just massaging each other's shoulders, pulling. Oh, yeah.

[Matthew McConaughey]

And the thing, you know, what happened, what got kind of, kind of sad, but it's just true. Towards end of his career, and I saw this with this happen with his son at a jump too, is people started, first came, wow. He made the jump. Wow. Then it became like, I'm coming for the wreck, I'm coming for the crash. And I've been to jumps where, you know, because he always come out first. Right there's the ramp. Here we go. Oh, he's just bypassing. Yeah, you got a little tease. Yeah, you gotta do a couple run around.

[Theo Von]

Going the bra off a little and.

[Matthew McConaughey]

Then he's getting the crowd going up and they're all just, you know, pulling. Here we go. And then he does it. Boom. And soon as lands and makes it. It's almost like I saw so many people like, oh, yeah, stomp the cigarette out, throw that Dr. Pepper in the trash can and leave.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, dang it.

[Matthew McConaughey]

You know? Yeah, good for him.

[Theo Von]

But.

[Matthew McConaughey]

Yeah, no, but he made A. He.

[Theo Von]

He. He.

[Matthew McConaughey]

He was. He was a legendary cowboy, man.

[Theo Von]

Let's look at one of these. This is Caesar's Palace.

[Matthew McConaughey]

Oh, he. And he created this. He called. He was in a motel and called the head of Caesars. All right. And said, hey, my name's. You know, Bobby Bernstein. I'm with ABC Wide World of Sports. I hear this guy, Evelyn Neville's gonna jump your fountain. And they're like, what are you talking about? Evelyn know what you're talking about. Hung up the phone, call back another voice impersonated. I'm with Wide World of Sports, Name is Bob, Not. I hear this evil Nevil is gonna. He did it, like, three times. And finally, the guy on the other end of Caesars was like, who the hell is this Evil Neville? Evil Neville got find him, right? And they ended up calling back evil answers. His own is evil. And goes, yeah, I'll do it. And worked out the do. But he created that jump. And this jump is. Look at the violence after. I mean, jumps the fountain. And look at the crash, man.

[Theo Von]

Boom.

[Matthew McConaughey]

Here we go. Oh, Can we talk? Impact.

[Theo Von]

Ah, bro, that's.

[Matthew McConaughey]

Yeah, there ain't no smoking mirrors with that, man.

[Theo Von]

There ain't no mattress that's gonna fit, sir. They ain't no posture.

[Matthew McConaughey]

That ain't. AI. You didn't fix that in post to make it look worse. Oh, evil.

[Theo Von]

Oh, dude. Yeah, there was just something. Like, there was something special about that time where it was. I don't know. The moment meant so much more, you know, there was something. There used to be something about the past at the moment. You couldn't copy. You couldn't record it. Like, I think that's why those times you talk about some of this in your book, man, and it's, like, about time and, like, God, like, the moments of when I was a kid or sitting there laughing with my friends, like, the moment was so much more real because you were never gonna get it again, right?

[Matthew McConaughey]

And you didn't. You couldn't necessarily record it, and you sure as hell couldn't share it. There's a study on this, man. I don't know. I'm gonna say it's like 20 years ago or 25. The moment was the biggest dopamine rush. The jump, the cresting of the mountain, the pulling off, whatever you tried to pull off. Yeah. Scientifically measured. The biggest dopamine hit. Cameras and, you know, mobile devices and stuff come out. It slowly turned to the recording of the moment. The snapshot. Okay? Not the cresting of the hill, but we Just recorded it.

[Theo Von]

The ownership of the moment.

[Matthew McConaughey]

The ownership of the moment. Right. And then what has happened now and has been around for 25 years, the biggest scientific dopamine hit that we get as humans is not the doing of the deed, is not the recording of the deed. It is when we press share. Really? Now, that's a little bit like living in third person. Like, we're all running around going, my rush is not when I run for a touchdown. My rush is when I see myself on the Jumbotron running for the touchdown. And that's. That's a slippery slope, man. You know what I mean?

[Theo Von]

Well, it's slippery, but it also seems hard to even conceptualize who I am then, you know?

[Matthew McConaughey]

Yeah.

[Theo Von]

Am I myself? Am I just a viewer of myself now?

[Matthew McConaughey]

That's it. We're much more. Much more voyagers now.

[Theo Von]

Right.

[Matthew McConaughey]

And our identity comes from being objective, trying to look at ourself from outside. And now comes from, well, what did you think of what I did? And how.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, and that's so worse. What did you think of what I did? Because that will be who.

[Matthew McConaughey]

That'll be my definition of who I am. Yeah, that. We got to watch that dude.

[Theo Von]

My sponsor tells me, he's like, you're not who they think you are. You're not who you are, and you're not who you think they think you are.

[Matthew McConaughey]

Yeah, I think I might.

[Theo Von]

I don't know if I messed it up or not.

[Matthew McConaughey]

No, but I hear what you're saying. Yeah.

[Theo Von]

He's like, but, yeah, it's just interesting how that.

[Matthew McConaughey]

Especially these kids these days, man, it's hard enough as adults, but I think as.

[Theo Von]

As adults, we. We put our. Our thought process onto them, and I think they live in a different world in realm that we kind of can't conceptualize because they don't seem as affected as, you know what I'm saying? And it's hard to even know.

[Matthew McConaughey]

No, I. I hear you.

[Theo Von]

I hear you, but I hear what you're saying, too.

[Matthew McConaughey]

It's like, I'm not trying to be a dinosaur, either. I don't be a dinosaur. You know what I mean? I don't want to be one of those. When my kids are going on, geez, yeah, it sounds like, you know, give it another TED Talk from back in the. You know. Yeah, but I hear you, because there's some things that they're just. With. It's just part of their vernacular. It's. This thing's an extension of their arm, that kind of sharing and socializing. What do you mean that's like having a conversation? Yeah. And we're going to. I could say what I was. You and I were just talking about, because they could understand it. They would go, okay, but that's not how it is. Yeah. You know, right.

[Theo Von]

It's. I mean, it's all kind of. I mean, it's all fascinating. I mean, even we were talking about, like, I just got back from the old Miss game, and I know you were at. It was fun.

[Matthew McConaughey]

You guys were rolling, man. And Lane's doing a great job of keeping y' all mentally in the right spot with all this noise about him going Florida or elsewhere. Yeah, he big boy. It. He big Boyd it.

[Theo Von]

Look, what do you mean?

[Matthew McConaughey]

Meaning he didn't go the traditional. No, it's not true. And keep it. Keep the noise. Out he went. We got this. I got this noise. Y' all got this noise because we're winning.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Matthew McConaughey]

This is the noise that's out there. He talk. He's talking to those young men like an adult who's up with the times.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Matthew McConaughey]

He's going, this is part of it.

[Theo Von]

Right.

[Matthew McConaughey]

This is part of it. And doing it because we're doing good. So let's do as well as we can right now. Keep winning. It's a great message because your players are going. They get it now. I think these players get the portals. The. The. The. The. The. The. You've been probably not going to be playing with the same guys for three years straight.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Matthew McConaughey]

Four years straight. There's. You can transfer in season. You can go here. I mean.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, there's two portals now, I think, aren't there. Aren't there two portals during the season? And I'm actually a van. I'm a Vanderbilt fan, but my. But I'm friends with Lane and. And I grew up as an LSU fan. Right. And. And. And sometimes people are like. Sometimes they'll be like, well, you're a fair weather fan or something. I'm like. But now, like, you're saying, there's kind of like. It's like. There's kind of like fair weather franchises in a way. It's like they're changing players so much and things in that, and they expect you to lock in. Like. Like my dad did or like I did when we were kids. It's like, if you buy a jersey, the guy's gone. Then, you know, things change so much. So I think it's interesting some of the expectations sometimes out of fans, you know.

[Matthew McConaughey]

Yeah. Well, it's harder to create as an organization As a team, as a school, as that. That. Oh, this is our brand of football. Last one to do it, pros was what? New England. No matter who came and went, it was Belichick Sway of football. It was Tom Brady, quarterback. Yeah. Rob Kraft is on. There was a certain way, remember, people come to studs, would come to big names, would come to New England, and there wasn't a lot of press about them. And all of a sudden next week you're like, oh, they got dropped. And it wasn't a big. No big fanfare. It was like, you didn't play our way. That's. You're kind of gone. Right.

[Theo Von]

We're good. If you're not our way, we. Our way is our way.

[Matthew McConaughey]

Yeah. So now when you're plugging in so many players and we're going through this with Austin fc, our soccer club, do we have a brand of what they call football, soccer that you. This is how we play. Coaches and players can be plugged into our system. It's harder to do because players move around. You get a. We got a chance to get this stud player. Well, if he's a running option quarterback, and we've been running traditional offense, which is drop back. Be dumb not to update the way we play offense. You know what I mean? Or whatever that is. But you. You have X. Yeah. How much are the expectations for the brand of how people play football at certain schools? Yeah, you know, I don't know. What's the brand? Who has a brand of. This is how you play.

[Theo Von]

It's a great question.

[Matthew McConaughey]

I mean, in college football, this is how we play. The expectations of how. Maybe the brand. Maybe the. Maybe the cultures are similar. And you have. This is. This is an understood. Whether it's aggressive, violent or finesse, whatever. Whatever that is. Or we're gonna have a great defense.

[Theo Von]

Right.

[Matthew McConaughey]

No matter what.

[Theo Von]

Well, Saban had one, kind of. Saban felt like he had it.

[Matthew McConaughey]

He did.

[Theo Von]

I feel like Sarkeesian is a guy that is very much. He is the boss there. You know, there's an energy there with him that is very cut and dried, you know, but. Yeah, when I was growing up, it was like Pittsburgh kind of had the defense. You know, Baltimore had a defense. There was a toughness about those places, had San Francisco that was always a great passing attack. Yeah. I don't know. I. I guess, like.

[Matthew McConaughey]

Yeah, if you have Earl Campbell back there for Houston or you have. What's the guy for? Big boy out of Alabama for Baltimore.

[Theo Von]

Oh, Derek Henry there.

[Matthew McConaughey]

If you have them, you gone okay. We're going to be a running team. Yeah, you know? Yeah, yeah. You know. Okay. You know what I mean? You ever hear that Bum Phillips quote on Earl Campbell? I don't know what. Listen, y' all remember Earl Campbell out of the Tyler Rose?

[Theo Von]

Oh, yeah, he played. He played for Dallas, too. Didn't hear now?

[Matthew McConaughey]

No, Houston.

[Theo Von]

He played for Houston.

[Matthew McConaughey]

Yeah, the Oilers at that time.

[Theo Von]

Oh, yeah, the Oilers ended up in Tennessee. That's where I live now. They ended up in Nashville.

[Matthew McConaughey]

So they would give Bum. Phyllis was a coach, and he would give Earl the ball like 35 times a game. And Fort started coming out going, man, are you worried about the wear and tear on. On Earl giving him the ball that often? Bum says, no, not really. It. The ball ain't that heavy.

[Theo Von]

Dude. Well, you used to have just so many good personalities. We. There's a Jim Mora talking to reporters. Will you look it up? Saints Jim Mora, playoffs. This is even before that. It is. Oh, yeah, bro. Wait till you see this. He's talking about his team. But, yeah, playoffs. He was great, man. Watch this. Listen to this. This is crazy.

[Matthew McConaughey]

Jim, obviously you're not happy.

[Jim Mora]

Oh, we got our ass kicked. We got our ass kicked. It was. It was. It was sickening. First three, we have 18 plays on offense. First 18 plays, we turn the ball over one for a touchdown. The other one's gonna set up a touchdown. We can't, you know, we got backs that can't hang on to the ball. They out hit us. They out toughed us. You know, we stunk today. Not even close. Between that football team and our football team, not even close. Ridiculous. We run two screens, we don't block anybody. We get a back. Gets his knee blown out on one of them. Didn't block anybody. We stunk. Just stunk.

[Matthew McConaughey]

Injuries.

[Jim Mora]

Dean told me he blew his knee out. You know, you gotta block people on a screen. Shit, he gets the ball out there and two guys, big old animals, nail his ass. Shit, it's ridiculous. We run a screen before that, we get our ass nailed. I don't know. I don't know. You know, Dean said he couldn't put any weight on his leg. That didn't sound too good to me. We're down. You know, we're down and back. We're down and everything. We, you know, we don't have enough people right now. Be hard to practice next week.

[Matthew McConaughey]

There you go. There's not many of them out there. I mean, you know, I missed my friend Mike Leach watching that.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Matthew McConaughey]

You know that guy?

[Theo Von]

Oh, that guy was great. What was he at Oklahoma State?

[Matthew McConaughey]

Texas Tech.

[Theo Von]

Oh, Texas Tech. Cliff Kingsbury country.

[Matthew McConaughey]

Have you heard the one amount after they went and go, players sitting out there in the river on a blanket, fat little girlfriends and oh, bring up Mike Leach. Fat little girlfriends. Listen to this. Telling them how great they are. This guy's classic.

[Mike Leach]

As coaches, we failed to get through to them. As coaches, we failed to make our coaching points and our points more compelling than their fat little girlfriends. Now, their fat little girlfriends have some obvious advantages. For one thing, their fat little girlfriends are telling them what they want to hear, which is how great you are and how, how easy it's going to be and how, you know, you know, we, you know, we had a whole bunch of people, everybody wanted to win the football game, but nobody wanted to play. Play the football game. Well, I mean, it defies every level of work ethic that exists with regard to football. And as coaches, we have to solve our failure on, on reaching them. And the players have to listen. And I, I'm willing to go to fairly amazing lengths to try to make that happen. I don't know if I'll be successful this week or not, but, but you know, I am going to try. And there will be some people inconvenience. It's. And if it happens, be their fat little girlfriends.

[Matthew McConaughey]

Too bad.

[Theo Von]

That's awesome. That's what we need. I'll just, just people to be brave enough to have a personality these days. It's kind of interesting, you know, but.

[Matthew McConaughey]

Check this out, because I'm, I'm, I'm with you. That's entertaining. It's smart. It's an inside look. It's frank, it's open. You know, people call it politically incorrect. Whatever. Forget all that. Like, it's, it's, it's in the moment. It's great hearing somebody be honest in the moment with some color. But I also look at people like a great franchise. Bill Belichick says nothing. Do your job. Do your job. That's it. Great. Coach of the Spurs. Oh, Popovich.

[Theo Von]

Yeah. Pop.

[Matthew McConaughey]

Cuts off interview. Yep. No. You saw it. Thank you. Bam. So there is something that they keep noise out because they don't give any color commentation.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Matthew McConaughey]

And is there something about that that is a stability within a franchise that your head coach is going to handle all that color behind closed doors or just stay on that line. Keep it super simple. Do your job. Do your job. You didn't do your job, you're out.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Matthew McConaughey]

Gonna get someone in. Can do your job. I Know, it's much more complicated than that. They're running X's and O's and everything. But this is another question and look in college football, which is why I like college born pro so much. So our great legendary Texas coach Daryl K. Royal told me one time, he goes, matthew, you can get the maximum potential out of your team three Saturdays a season. I believe it was number three Saturdays. Out of a seat. Out of a seat. So you got, at that time he had 10, so you got 12. So now you've maybe you say you can get four. Boy, there's an awesome black hole there to fill for the psychology. Because that's all psychology.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Matthew McConaughey]

Because you hope you have, you, you, you coach to have your team at peak for one of those peak three weekends against the best teams and then you hope they're just play kind of all right against the all right competition and then have their worst days against competition they should beat anyway.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, they should just roll.

[Matthew McConaughey]

But boy, if three. I'm. I'm still curious. I think the. What if you got a coach right now? If you could get six. Yeah, top peak performance Saturdays seven. I mean because you got. I'm asking for three hours, right? I'm asking for, I'm asking for 36 hours a season for you to be mentally and physically and spiritually. They're on the edge and locked in and there's an opportunity there. Is that what what I'm saying?

[Theo Von]

And for somebody to even see that there is an opportunity there, right? Because sometimes you might just look at life and be like, well, there's going to be highs and lows, right? Like you can have a great team but yeah, you're only get you, you're not going to win every single time. So it's like those moments where you've had two great weeks in a row and like now the spread is 17, but it's like no, you. That, that's the. Not the laws of life, right? So how do you, how do you adjust what's realistically possible to weather that storm of that third weekend where it's just, just the laws of the universe are not going to allow to be.

[Matthew McConaughey]

As perfect and balance how much. Look, sometimes you need, your team needs confidence. You know. I remember talking to Mac Brown at practice after we used, I don't know, 20 something years ago. We just come off like I don't know, 45 nothing route to UCLA beat them. No, they ratted us. We were not good. And that Tuesday practice or that Monday practice, it was like a completion for two yards. A clean handoff. That went for two yards. We got to applaud. That was like.

[Theo Von]

Applaud that.

[Matthew McConaughey]

It was like, man, I've got the team's. We need good clean handoffs and a reception and a clean pass that wasn't intercept. We have to build the confidence back up. So sometimes you're there, other times you have such talent and they're so confident. How do you keep them playing? No, I'm not worried about your confidence. I need to make sure you feel like an underdog against yourself.

[Theo Von]

Right?

[Matthew McConaughey]

Against your. The ability that you can play to. Because it. Great, great teams are essentially playing against themselves and how great they think they can be. And that opponent is nothing but in my way.

[Theo Von]

Right.

[Matthew McConaughey]

To me, being as great as I can be and that's. Well, if you got that working, if you can flick that switch in. Yeah.

[Theo Von]

How d. Well, in your own life. Because I. This is something I think about a lot. I think about confidence and ego. Right. And I've always had a tough time, kind of. I've always had a tough time knowing what my feelings are like. When I was growing up, I didn't have a lot of feelings, I think, and so I didn't know what a lot of them were.

[Matthew McConaughey]

Yeah.

[Theo Von]

And then as I've gotten older, it's.

[Matthew McConaughey]

Like, you didn't have feelings. When you had feelings, you just didn't know what the hell.

[Theo Von]

I didn't know what they were. So I couldn't tell if I was like have, like, instincts or uncertain. Like, like what was like. Like when it was making decisions, I couldn't tell what was instinctual or what was me making a choice. Just. Yeah, I just had a. Like, I just didn't have a lot of feelings when I was young. And so it was kind of like a late bloomer in some of those worlds. But one of the things I struggle with sometimes still is just like ego and confidence, you know, how do you know. You know what I'm saying? Because one can be super dangerous. One is healthy.

[Matthew McConaughey]

Well, look, man, I think ego's gotten a bad rap. This, you know, elimination of the ego. You know, there's a difference to believe to going, I, I have confidence, I have confidence. Than there is, oh, look at me. The difference between I and me. Me is the objective one, right? Me's that jumbotron lawyer one where you're going like, oh, yeah, how do I look? I look good. There's where I get my confidence from. Something I saw myself outside of myself. Confidence with the eye, which I think is true. Ego, when we handle it right is I think extremely healthy. I mean man, it's like, it's like judgment. You got to have judgment or you have no identity. And where do you get judgment from? Well, part of that I believe is part of the ego of I am discerning because I prefer this over that. I expect this more than I expect that experiences, you know, for myself or from others. Now ego can get out of check when it gets into the. Look at me.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Matthew McConaughey]

But when it's coming from the subjective place of like, no, I, I'm prepared for this. This is what I'm fashioned to do. I have the ability, I'm capable and I'm willing. I'm going to do that. And no one's going to judge myself harder than I'm going to judge myself because I believe what I am capable of doing. I mean, look, I wrote about this in greenlife since a little bit in poems and prayers. These men, these roofs, these limitations we put on ourselves, we make those up. That's a cocky ass thing to do. Who do we think we are to put limitations, to put these roofs on our ability, if we have that ability. Now, now we get into what's humility? Humility, which is a word I had trouble with because growing up, especially in religion, humility. I always, always kind of coward. My head kind of, my shoulders came forward, my head kind of got down and I didn't know how to have confidence with humility. How do you have confidence and be humble? And then I heard a new definition of humility or being humble. Admitting that we have more to learn. Now that definition, all of a sudden my shoulders backed up my head when I said, oh, I can dig that. I'm in.

[Theo Von]

I have more learned because that's an act of humility.

[Matthew McConaughey]

Kind of now I'm, now I'm going forward. It's affirmative.

[Theo Von]

Right.

[Matthew McConaughey]

I can still be graceful and still be empathetic and listen. But I, but, but I'm not in his retreating like, yeah, I'm not, you know, yes, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not being passive necessarily. I think we got to have a.

[Theo Von]

Healthy and empowering taking on of knowledge and admitting you have more to learn.

[Matthew McConaughey]

Yeah.

[Theo Von]

Attend.

[Matthew McConaughey]

Yeah, it was a freeing, you know, sometimes a definition of a word for me or like, oh, I never thought of it that way. Now, now, now I understand it. Yeah. Sometimes it takes 40. I didn't learn that until I was 45. Yeah. So for 45 years. Hey, hey, hey, get off your toes. You better, better be humble. I was like, yeah, I'd cow down and miss opportunities, you know, and not be the first to speak up if I knew the answer or something or pass the buck too often. And that's a false, that's like a false modesty. Oh, shoot. No, no, no.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, it's really pretending to. It's like, oh, let me let you see me be modest. Yeah.

[Matthew McConaughey]

And it's bull. It's, it's, it's, it, it's, it's, you're, you're lying. It's kind of cocky in reverse.

[Theo Von]

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[Matthew McConaughey]

More step in the right direction.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, yeah. And you talk about that in marriage. Faith and character.

[Matthew McConaughey]

Yeah.

[Theo Von]

And. And, yeah, I thought that that was pretty interesting because, yeah, there's times where I stall. Yeah, that's where I stall. Sometimes I stall with that. Like, I don't know what this is gonna be like. I don't know what this is gonna feel like. I already don't like the feeling of this. Right, right. It happens to commitment and relationships and stuff. It happens to me a lot. And, like, try not to control the outcome of. Of, like, even a moment. Right. Like, God, I just, you know, to have a little bit of courage there to be like, well, let's see what this.

[Matthew McConaughey]

Right. What would one step more take me deeper into debt? Or am I gonna. Or is it gonna. Am I gonna Power through and get to the other side and go, oh, okay, I stuck with it. Now I see it. Now I see the light. I like this. I'm. It's a. It's a. It's a really interesting measurement I think we always got to do, man. I mean, I try to measure, like, there's like. Remember the no fear. I was always like, what do you mean, no fear.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Matthew McConaughey]

There's a lot of stuff I fear. There's a lot of stuff I think we all should fear. It's what things do. We go, no, I'm. But I'm going to have the courage to go, I'm overcoming that fear. But there's good and there's bad fears. Meaning, like, if I'm reading the script and I kind of like the script, but, man, I'm not sure about the director, and this financing doesn't have enough money behind it. Can we really make this good movie? And I'm not gonna be. I'm kind of scared of that. I think maybe, okay, maybe that's a healthy fear you got there, McConaughey, because the pedigree around it may not be as excellent as you want it to be. There's other times I'll say, where you script, see a character, man. All. Everything. I like the directors on it, man. We got good financing behind us. Production value is gonna be good. The script's dam. And I'm looking this character when I am scared shitless about how am I going to pull this off? Well, okay, I would subscribe that maybe that's a good fear, that I need to dive in and go, well, let's go find out. But don't back off of that one, because that one. And then I'll see the movie two years later. I'm like, oh, it was great. And look at that part that that other guy got to play. And then I'm kicking myself. Yeah, going, you didn't have the huevos and the will to go sit there and go find out. McConaughey, come on, man. You know what I mean? So it's measuring the good ones in the bad. You say you got a bad feeling if you already have a bad feeling. Look, I do think this man, my brother Rooster says this. He goes, man, if everybody only did what they love to do, there'd be a whole lot of unemployment.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Matthew McConaughey]

You know what I mean? I mean, it. It's. It's. Sometimes it does suck, and you got to do some hard things. You're like, man, I'm not. I'm not this doesn't feel right. Now, does it not feel right, or do we just not like it? A lot of things I got to do that we got to do that we don't like to do, to get to the other side and go, well, you know, especially as we get older, we got things that we've invested in family and friends and relationships, our own self. Those are some fires that we've been putting logs on for a while, and it can be hard sometimes to sit there and keep tending those fires or keep tending those gardens we're talking about right on our own soul. But you sit there and you go, I believe that if I do the hard work now and break this sweat and draw some blood to make this work, which sucks, I'm gonna get to the other side. It's a sacrifice I'm willing to take to get the other side and go, oh, there we go. All right. There we go. Now I can sleep better. Now I can wake up going, yep, I'm still connected to what I was, what I created in the past for myself. I did the next right thing for myself, and it sucked. But damn it, that's right there where I could have backed off and retreated. I could have. I could have said, oh, I smell smoke. Gonna be fire. Well, sometimes it's like, no, it's smoke. Maybe go put out the damn fire before it turns into one. Yeah, that's what I mean.

[Theo Von]

Or, let's procure this fire a little bit. Make a little bit of barbecue for the future.

[Matthew McConaughey]

Yeah. You know what I mean?

[Theo Von]

Yeah, I do. Well, I think also, it's like, it creates linchpins in your life. Like, some of those things you're saying, like, even, like, with family and stuff and being willing to do that, right? And be like, okay, this is a. This is a project that my wife and I. My partner and I, right, Are gonna create together. You know, did you have fears about, like, that at certain points in your life of, like, starting a. Committing to that and doing that? Was that kind of tough?

[Matthew McConaughey]

So, look, the one thing I always knew I wanted to be was a dad. 8 years old. A good, good story. So, you know, dad had introduced me to a lot of his male friends through life. And, you know, it's. I'm Shake their hand, look them in the eye, and nice to meet you, sir. Sir. Sir. Sir was a big thing in our. In our family. And I remember I was 8 years old. We were in an Oak Forest Country Club park. Aunt hello, Longview, Texas. And I met these. These two men. They Were both in black slacks, white shirts and black jackets and one of them had shades on. And as I was shaking their hands, I remember the sunlight was behind him. He's kind of in my eyes. I was like, nice to meet you, sir. Nice to meet you, sir. It hit me in my 8 year old mind at that time that oh, and they, and they were talking about their. They started talking about their own children and it hit me in my 8 year old mind that oh, all the people I've shaken all that my dad's introduced to that I shook their hands and said sir to were fathers. And in my year old mind I went oh, that's how you succeed in life. And it, you know, whether I malapropter that was the meaning I gave it, it stuck with me. And it was, it was always been my measurement of what successful life would be as a man to become a father and then help raise kids. So I knew I always wanted to be a father. Now then you get to can you, you know, meet a woman that you're in love with and that you know is going to be a great mother, you know, to him? I fortunately met that woman in Camilla, so. But, but we didn't get married right off the bat. We were. And maybe this is because my mom and dad were married three times, divorced twice and her mom and dad were married two times and divorced three times. So we had a track record for reason to go like jewelry. Yeah, yeah, yeah. A whole lot.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Matthew McConaughey]

So we're rolling along man, and saying it's going great and we don't want to get married because that's just what you're supposed to do. I don't want to back into it. Someone goes legally it's wrong. But no bullshit, I want to want to. And I didn't really want to. I wasn't against it, but her and I were like, we're doing good. We have our first child or let me go back to nine months before we have a first shot. I come home and there's cheeseburgers she's cooking on the grill. I smell them. She pours me a double of my favorite tequila. I sit down, she. And she gives me a gift. I open it up. It's the, what do you call it? The sonogram or whatever gram that is where you see in the, in the belly, you got a baby and fetus. She's pregnant. Oh my gosh. Cry tears, we hug it out. Oh my God, this is, this is so awesome, etc. Etc. Let's call my mom Tell her the good news. I get my phone out, call Mom, Camilla sitting next to me. Mom, you there? We got some great news. Tell you, got you on speakerphone. Can you hear? Camilla is here. Hi, Camilla. Hi, Ms. McConaughey. How are. Mom, you there? You got to meet. Yeah, yeah, I'm listening. I can't wait. Tell me, tell me, tell me. Mom, Camilla's pregnant. Crickets. Next thing he hears, no, no, no, no, no, Matthew, this is out of order. I didn't raise you to do this. No, Matthew, you're supposed to be married. And went on and on and on in a five minute monologue and then hung up. I stop, I look over at Camille and she looks at me and we're like, oh, that didn't go the way. And so, you know, let's talk about that dream. You know what I mean? Okay. Ten minutes later, the phone rings. It's my mom. Yeah, hi, Mom. She goes, hi, Matthew. Am I on speakerphone? I go, I can put you on speaker one. Okay, is Camilla there? Yeah, she's right at James County. Okay, can y' all both hear me? Yeah, we hear you, mom. We hear Ms. Kind. Okay, I would like to put some white out over that last. I was being selfish, thinking about myself. If you two are happy about it, I should be happy for you. It's not my place to be unhappy. So we had two children before we got married. But yeah, I mean, look, the big project, you know, as far as I can tell, the one that's non negotiable. That's the thing. Can we find non negotiable projects that we go? Nope. When I'm lost and don't know what the hell I'm doing, or I'm looking for my North Star. What are some things in our life that we can look at and go, if I concentrate on that, I can't go wrong sometimes that's just it. Like, I still have it now maybe I don't know what new things I want to do. And when I'm kind of lost and wobbly, I'll try to look at the things that I go, like family, like fatherhood, like the marriage, and go, if you work on that, McConaughey, you can't. Bogey, you may not. You may not eagle the hole, but you're not going to bogey. And you definitely going to hit one out of bounds. You can't spend too much time on that in your spare time. And then that'll help you spiritually, heart and head. And so I try to go to the non negotiables. When I'm a little. When I'm like. And then when things are going well, that's another thing. I love to accomplish it, man. I love to go work and I'm going. All of a sudden I'm hitting the road. I'm all over the place. How do I keep my marriage and my fatherhood out of the debit section?

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Matthew McConaughey]

How do I, you know, Because I'm don't have the. The time. As much time. That's another challenge when things are going well personally, you know, to take care of those non negotiables.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, yeah. I mean, I think a lot, like, if I don't know what to do, I try and. Yeah, like, it's always like, help others, you know, like, that's the thing. Like, that's probably been the thing that's been most helpful in my life. If I don't know what to do whenever, you know, it's trying to help others, think of somebody else, call somebody else, see what they're doing. Get out of myself.

[Matthew McConaughey]

Get heard. Heard.

[Theo Von]

There's like that prayer. It's like, God, I offer myself to thee to build with me and do with me as thou wilt. Relieve me of the bondage of self and take away my difficulties so that, like, I don't remember the end of our.

[Matthew McConaughey]

Leave me of the bondage to myself. Leave me of it. Off it.

[Theo Von]

Third step prayer it is. Yeah. Offer myself to thee to build with me and do with me as I will. Relieve me the bondage of self that I may better do thy will. That's it.

[Matthew McConaughey]

There we go.

[Theo Von]

So it's just like, yeah, God, my problem is me right now. I'm just so. I'm sitting here, I'm just. I'm. I'm breaking myself up and putting myself into a joint and smoking myself.

[Matthew McConaughey]

Right.

[Theo Von]

I'm just getting high on my, you know, something here.

[Matthew McConaughey]

Yeah.

[Theo Von]

And it can be a low point or a high point, though. Yeah. That's the thing. Sometimes I think it's like, you know, I've thought it's just the hot, just the lows, but it's like, even if I get too high on myself, it's like, that's not good either, you know.

[Matthew McConaughey]

Well, it keeps our pursuit not about that. It's talking to the God. Godliness within us. The more God likeness in us that we can be that a lot of us are striving to be. That pursuit is such a valuable pursuit, you know, religious or not yet, you.

[Theo Von]

Know, a connection to a Creator. Yeah.

[Matthew McConaughey]

To not feel higher.

[Theo Von]

Right.

[Matthew McConaughey]

That you're not going to reach. Yes, but you're going.

[Theo Von]

I mean, otherwise I would feel so homeless if I don't want my soul to feel homeless.

[Matthew McConaughey]

You know, there's a lot of people that feel very homeless.

[Theo Von]

Will you talk about just like your own, like, times of faith and like, how hard it, you know, it's tough to. To keep that connection going, you know, and to work on it more.

[Matthew McConaughey]

It's maintenance, doesn't it?

[Theo Von]

Yeah, it takes a lot of maintenance, man. That's probably my biggest.

[Matthew McConaughey]

That's where my ego will get out of control. Where all of a sudden I start. I take for granted that I didn't just pull it all off my. And I. And I start thinking I did, and I do the math and go like, I mean, I did. And all of a sudden it's like, oh, here comes humble pie pretty soon.

[Theo Von]

Oh, yeah. I mean, that's a tough thing. I mean, having a relationship with. Having a relationship with our creator and giving ourselves, like saying God, you know, giving thanks, getting a good perspective for ourselves. Have you. Has there been practices that you've used realistically over the years? I'm sure once you have a family and stuff like that, some of that starts to maybe get more built into you. But just because it's. There's a vision, there's a. There's an actual component that's right there alive.

[Matthew McConaughey]

Yeah.

[Theo Von]

But have you noticed for yourself.

[Matthew McConaughey]

There'S a. Having. Having kiddos is in some ways are how we become immortal. If we're fortunate enough for them to outlive us.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Matthew McConaughey]

And if we're fortunate for them to have kids and crep. Pass on a lineage. It's like, you first have a kid, you're like, I have helped create a being that is outside of myself, but my blood and so is in them.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Matthew McConaughey]

It's a certain way to immortality. And I don't mean in the religious sense of, oh, if you live this way, you live forever because you get to the gates and the kingdom of heaven.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Matthew McConaughey]

But it is a mortal way of going. Oh, just kind of scientific, evolutionary wise. It's a way to become immortal. And I find there's a great power in that and a great freedom and responsibility that comes with that. Because you're shepherding your future self through your child or what you're, you know, for 18 years, so to speak, generally in the household before they go off into the world. So you're taking care of yourself.

[Theo Von]

Right. In a weird way, by taking Like.

[Matthew McConaughey]

A chunk of yourself by taking care of your. It's our greatest children. It's the greatest export and it is the most, closest thing to piece of art in the world that we'll ever put out.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Matthew McConaughey]

You know.

[Theo Von]

Yeah. That's pretty fascinating.

[Matthew McConaughey]

Yeah.

[Theo Von]

Do you and your family, do you have any traditions that really mean a lot to you guys that you have felt like, have helped you establish more of a sense, Like a familiar sense, like a team sense kind of.

[Matthew McConaughey]

Yeah. I mean, my wife's better than my family ever was on the actual rituals. I mean, my family's like, they won't come over Thanksgiving. We're going. And it's like, swing by the pit and get some food while you're dead. And we're going to sit down. Well, not if. Unless everyone wants to sit down. My. My wife's like, no, we are. I'm setting the table right. And we're sitting down and doing this. And we're going to say prayers before and everyone's going to go around. That's one of the things we like to do. Call it around the horn, everybody, before we share something out loud. Something thankful for.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Matthew McConaughey]

Share it up. And at very least out there, it at least makes the food taste better.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Matthew McConaughey]

You know, at least. But it also is a great conversation starter because you'll say things and a lot of people don't like to share them out loud and it'll start a conversation with somebody that you didn't know. Why do you say you're thankful for that thing? Oh, I didn't know. Your grandmother just got out of the hospital. Oh, I didn't know that. You did good on that test last Tuesday and you're thankful for that. And it's a great way to get a conversation started. We do. We practice that. We are. We. We have dinner each night. It's a small ritual, but in our busy worlds of today, huge to have that down. And everyone comes in and you hear a little bit about the day and we kind of. It's kind of like the team gets together. And I was talking to my kids. We were talking to kids about it the other day. You know, I was like, look, this. These talk about these bonfires. We have our family. We're calling it a bonfire, not a campfire bonfire. Boys and girls, let's go, man. We. This is a non negotiable. We got to. We created it. We're on our way. We think we're doing all right. Let's keep putting log wood on this fire. But you Three kiddos, you're responsible for going and chopping wood here, too, and bringing the log back to the fire. It's not just me and your mama.

[Theo Von]

Right.

[Matthew McConaughey]

That are doing that. It takes. It's talking about back to sports. We were in the very beginning. It's a team effort here.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Matthew McConaughey]

Y' all got to start adding that. Yeah. And take the. And take the. Have the confidence yourself that you do have a log to add to this fire.

[Theo Von]

Right. I think encouraging or, like, encouraging kids to think and feel like that it's important, you know, because kids don't know how to think and feel. I think there's, like, this understanding that people just know what feelings are on, what's happening and, like, what their responsibility is as a brother or a son. It's like a lot of that stuff has to really be kind of instilled. I think.

[Matthew McConaughey]

I think you're right, because I. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm guilty of giving the Cliff Notes version of things to a kid sometimes. Or they're like. I think it's like, well, duh. You understand that? You know what I mean? Like, little things, man. Hey, how do you. What's. How do you wipe your butt? You know what I mean? What's. What's deodorant for? You know what I mean? Little things. You're like, well, duh. And like, no.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, but with deodorant, it's gonna burn, you know?

[Matthew McConaughey]

How would I know? You know, things. You gotta let. Let them know.

[Theo Von]

Yeah. There's that extra step a lot of times, and I think. We think that kids are just adults.

[Matthew McConaughey]

In a week sometimes, or they saw it somewhere. They picked it up that they already know. Because that's the other thing. You do find out a lot of things that they did pick up that you didn't know they knew.

[Theo Von]

Right. And then you start to be like, oh, well. And you try to help Mini when they're like, I already know this. So it's like, it's probably a little.

[Matthew McConaughey]

Catch, but there's a whole lot of things that. Yeah. They don't know. You know, we. It's. It's in our frame. One of the things is, when are the kids ready for this type of movie?

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Matthew McConaughey]

PG or an R or something. And I'm just. And what content is in there? I just don't want. There's some certain things in life about. About love, about. About. About violence, about all the ways of the world that I don't necessarily want my kids to get it from an outside piece of entertainment before they have a context of understanding it from me and their mother, for sure. Like let them understand it first before seeing it for the first time. And their emotions are going all over the place for pleasure or pain, but they don't know what it all means.

[Theo Von]

Right.

[Matthew McConaughey]

Or does that happen? Well, so I want the context coming from their mom and dad first so they can then see it and go, I understand that was realistically, however realistically that was done and how that affected me. But I understand the context.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Matthew McConaughey]

Of what that scene I just saw or. And that's why I try to hold back certain content, you know.

[Theo Von]

Oh, I think it's from the kids.

[Matthew McConaughey]

To have a, just an understanding of the reality so you can at least appreciate it. But know that that's fiction.

[Theo Von]

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[Matthew McConaughey]

Wait, is he. Is he in the class or is he teaching the class?

[Theo Von]

He's in it. He's not the teacher.

[Matthew McConaughey]

Okay.

[Theo Von]

And the teacher has, like, the microphone thing on, and she's kind of pointing at him every now and then. There's a picture that we just put up yesterday from. And I don't know if you can even see it. It might be out there somewhere.

[Matthew McConaughey]

Can you raise it up a little bit? I can only see his head, and this seems like a shot. You got to see out.

[Theo Von]

Okay, that's lame. But find the other photo, too, if you can, Nick. But he's. Dude, he comes in, he puts a peppermint in my mouth. Dude. And he has. His hand kind of even touched my lips a little bit. And I don't even. I mean, we're both straight males. You know, me as a family. I hope to have a family. But he just, like. I'm like. And I'm in there sweating, dying, basically trying to look okay, you know, and. Sorry. I wear a towel like that. I was raised by a single mom.

[Matthew McConaughey]

Oh, this g. Over on you over on the right.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Matthew McConaughey]

Post peppermint is post peppermint.

[Theo Von]

Yeah. But, I mean, Lane is crazy, though, dude. He has these weird rituals and stuff in there, and he'll, like, bounce a golf ball in. It's like, people. It's, like, dead. And he'll bounce a golf ball across the. He's just doing bizarre stuff in there.

[Matthew McConaughey]

Does he have a method to it? Is he doing it?

[Theo Von]

It is. It's this. We. I can't. It's like he's some sweat Moliere or something, you know? I don't know what he's doing, but it's. It's just amazing over there. But he's just. Always likes to be involved and causing. Having an effect.

[Matthew McConaughey]

Okay.

[Theo Von]

So that's what I noticed about him. And it's interesting and it's fascinating in the same way.

[Matthew McConaughey]

Is he a trickster or is he a sort of. As you said, he's just gonna throw in some color commentary on the situation. He's gonna give A different color.

[Theo Von]

He's very colorful.

[Matthew McConaughey]

Okay.

[Theo Von]

And so. But he's got a big heart. He, like. He'll make sure that everything's taken care of. He's on top of everything.

[Matthew McConaughey]

Yeah.

[Theo Von]

Right. But I think he likes to be very colorful and stuff. But we had a great time over there. Anyway, this was just an experience that we had where he goes to these yoga class every single day, and. And he never misses, and it was just. Yeah, it was a great experience. I mean, I had to lay down for a little while, and some girl was like, do you need cpr? And I'm like, no, I don't need cpr.

[Matthew McConaughey]

Okay. Just taking a rest.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, I'm just taking a rest with my eyes closed.

[Matthew McConaughey]

And. Yeah, you went through it. Man, you.

[Theo Von]

You look like I was laying there like this for a little while because I wasn't doing really good. And. Yeah, I did. I didn't black out, but I, like, light browned out or whatever, but it was like, I'm fine. But anyway. Yeah, but it was just fascinating over there, man, just to be over there. And we got to walk through the, like, the. The walk that they do up to the stadium, and that was pretty crazy. I mean. Yeah, they're just. That fan base is pretty rabid. I didn't realize how special it was over there in Oxford.

[Matthew McConaughey]

I didn't realize going on right now.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, they got it going on. I think they're gonna make the cfp. I'm hoping Vanderbilt makes it in. I don't think that they're going to.

[Matthew McConaughey]

Well, what did y'. All. Y' all lost two.

[Theo Von]

We lost two.

[Matthew McConaughey]

Yeah. Us and to Alabama. Alabama. All right. That ain't. That's.

[Theo Von]

But they need a big win, you know, we need a big.

[Matthew McConaughey]

Who do you got left?

[Theo Von]

We still have Tennessee, and we have Kentucky next weekend, and then we have Tennessee.

[Matthew McConaughey]

All right, you clear those two with the two losses, and you're maybe most likely in. Well, look, like, we just can't. We have Sanford Stadium down in Georgia. Got it handed to us.

[Theo Von]

You were down there at the. What's that? Like, over that. That happens. I never been between the hedges. It was.

[Matthew McConaughey]

I had never heard Sanford say in between the hedges as being, like, one of the plate. Whoa. It's really hard. Oh, yeah, man. Was it 90,000 and those fans are in unison, man. And they had. I tell you what, I get to measure stadiums, right, When I go to them. Like, what's the fan base?

[Theo Von]

Yeah, it's amazing.

[Matthew McConaughey]

How happy are they that I'm there? Compared to. How much did they like f you, McConaughey. We're gonna get it. You know what I mean? Yeah. And this, this crowd was loud from the beginning, especially that first half. And then the second half when they started to boat row, they. They. They were still really that. But they were one. One of the higher decibels that I've. That I've heard. But they were continuous is the thing. Especially anytime that they're. That we were on offense and. But the. The unit. Because you get crowds that are in use and they know the chance.

[Theo Von]

Auburn does a good job of that being in unison. Yeah, they have their chance.

[Matthew McConaughey]

Big thing. You can have 30,000 more people. But if you, if the, the rituals and the cheers aren't in unison, it doesn't. It doesn't. It's not as intimidating at all. And yeah, they were happy I was there, but they were also giving me straight horns down and going, we're going to whip your. You know, tonight. You know, so it was a good. It was a good. It was a healthy, healthy hate they had. I love that. You know what I mean? Because I've been to some. Some visiting and they get a little edgy. Oh, no, I got some. And I won't say their names on that. I got some. That. Dude, I'm dodging. I'm dodging loogies. Yeah.

[Theo Von]

You know, dodging those tomatoes you were throwing.

[Matthew McConaughey]

And they're like, here we go. Okay. And I've been to others.

[Theo Von]

They're like, we're trying to kill us.

[Matthew McConaughey]

Now, but whatever, you know. And then I've been to somewhere. It's like they're too happy to. They're too nice to me. I'm like, oh, y' all in trouble.

[Theo Von]

Dude. How great is it, though? Is there anything better than being a college football. Football fan? I don't know if there is.

[Matthew McConaughey]

It's great. And the SEC is one of the best forms of tribalism in the world.

[Theo Von]

I love hearing that. I, I think I agree with you. I didn't know I toured so much. I'd never gotten to have the fall off. So the past. I've been in nine games this year, I think from different stadiums. Probably five of them were at. At Vanderbilt Stadium. But. But it's just been amazing, dude. Like, to go to Alabama, to go to Virginia Tech, to go. We're gonna go to Neyland in a week or two. To be at Ole Miss yesterday. Yeah. Just to see some of it. And just that, like what it's about for them in those Places. Yeah.

[Matthew McConaughey]

Well. And. And, you know, Athens, that's basically just college town. And they were just. They. The fans. The fans were great and they were loud and they were rabid. But to go. One of the things about Love, about being in the sec. I can't wait to go, you know, been. Been in Tuscaloosa. I've been. I can't wait to go to Death Valley, LSU on a night game when we go there. Because I've only been there once and they played Vanderbilt when Vanderbilt was a doormat.

[Theo Von]

Right.

[Matthew McConaughey]

Not the Vanderbilt now.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Matthew McConaughey]

And so that was a good experience of. That wasn't a great Death Valley experience. I still. I can't wait to get over to Tennessee.

[Theo Von]

That's a beautiful place to. That I think might be the most beautiful place to see a game is that Neyland Stadium. I. But I haven't been to see at Austin. I want to go see that. I know that Rogan and Tony Hinchcliffe went one time. You might have went to that same game that they went to.

[Matthew McConaughey]

I've been most of them. I'm over there on the sidelines.

[Theo Von]

It's so cool, man.

[Matthew McConaughey]

Yeah.

[Theo Von]

Yeah. It's. I just feel lucky to, first of all, even just get to be around some of the teams to be that close to, like, that energy that young. If you stay around young people, it just keeps you young. It's like there's something that's like. I don't know, it's just. It's energy. That's how energy works.

[Matthew McConaughey]

And I. I still have to remind myself how young these young men are.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Matthew McConaughey]

You know, and that, you know, it's like. Because they're so damn big, you know, and then you look and you go, oh, you're 18?

[Theo Von]

Yeah, 18.

[Matthew McConaughey]

When was that? You know, gotta go back and do the math. You know what I mean?

[Theo Von]

Yeah. You can't even figure it out because.

[Matthew McConaughey]

I'm down there and I'm feeling like I was at college ut Just. Just a few years ago. Well, a few multiplied times a nice size number. Yeah. But it seems like it was the other day, you know.

[Theo Von]

I know it does, man. But that's what's kind of nice about it, too. Connectivity of that. That there's something special about when you get around certain things that it. It's undeniable, that it's nice, that it feels not that long ago, in a way.

[Matthew McConaughey]

Yeah. You know, and again on the sec, man, I was talking to Sankey about this the other night. They're the only conference that wants to Fight. Absolutely. Draw blood like brothers on a Saturday night when you're in the game. But after the game, we're the sec.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Matthew McConaughey]

And the only conference that you go to and if you beat an SEC team beats another team from any that's outside of the SEC comps. Yeah. They may chant their. Their. Their name tag lsu. Right. But they also chant sec. They. Nobody else does that. Man.

[Theo Von]

I used to get upset with my friends that would cheer on other SEC teams if our team was out of it. Right, right. But now I get it. Now I get it. It's like, this is the conference.

[Matthew McConaughey]

That's why I'm kind of. Look, I backhanded, you know, I got it. When. When OU beats Alabama like they did, I get a little. Oh, there we go. When I. When. Even when A and M came back from down 33 against South Carolina, I'm like, there we go. Because we're the old Southwest Congress, the old Big 12. I'm rooting for them to go like. And. And I also. I'm a Texas fan who wants our two biggest rivals, those 2 aggies and ou, traditionally, I want them to be undefeated when we play then. You know what I mean? That we usually play. Oh, you around the. I don't know, fifth game this season? Fourth. Fifth. I always want OU to be undefeated, and I want us to be undefeated, and then I want to beat him. Yeah. And I want A and M. We have. We play A M the last game of the year.

[Theo Von]

So it's still coming up.

[Matthew McConaughey]

It's two weeks, you know, from now, or saying whatever weekend is. I don't know when this comes out, but that, you know, I want them to be undefeated when we beat him is what I wanted. You know what I mean? That's. That's.

[Theo Von]

Yeah. Well, I always cheer for the underdog, man. I find. I always cheer for the underdog. That's one thing I loved about Vanderbilt this year. They've always been underdog.

[Matthew McConaughey]

Yeah.

[Theo Von]

Pavi is great. They have so many great guys. Every guy over there.

[Matthew McConaughey]

I met Pavia, he came up, said howdy after the game.

[Theo Von]

Oh, he did?

[Matthew McConaughey]

In Austin. Oh, that's awesome.

[Theo Von]

He's a great guy, man.

[Matthew McConaughey]

He's an underdog.

[Theo Von]

He's just been. Time.

[Matthew McConaughey]

I was like, man, congratulations on what you've done. Keep doing it, man. Y' all got it rolling. And. Yeah. And what Lee's done. And with that. Yeah. Because, look, there's a lot of players on there that a lot of these teams were talking about. Didn't necessarily sniff them.

[Theo Von]

Oh, yeah. Because they would have been on a different team.

[Matthew McConaughey]

Yeah. But look what they've done. It's again, back to psychology.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, that's.

[Matthew McConaughey]

That's a. That's a mental edge. And. And. And the power you can get from believing you're an underdog or that the world saying you're an underdog fuels you instead of.

[Theo Von]

Right.

[Matthew McConaughey]

Makes you cower going, oh, yeah, watch this. But to believe that is different than to say that. Like, we've. We've seen plenty of team. Teams that are cocky, right?

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Matthew McConaughey]

And you're like, not to get into.

[Theo Von]

The ego side of it.

[Matthew McConaughey]

You ain't gotta, you know. Oh, you just laid it. You laid a big hit on that running back. And there's three minutes left in the fourth and you're 17 down. I wouldn't be doing a dance there. Pause.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Matthew McConaughey]

Did you see a scorebo. You know what I mean? Or the want to. The come out is what More was saying. Or who was it, Mike saying? Well, I got one to win the game. Didn't want to play. Like, do. You can see you. You know you want. There's a certain swagger that you're like, are you playing the part or do. Or do you believe right again. Are you looking at the jumbotron and acting like what you think you should act like or do you believe that? And is that dance you're doing coming from.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, from you.

[Matthew McConaughey]

That's me. That's how I feed deal different dude.

[Theo Von]

We had. There was a funny. The other night, I was somewhere and there was like a. I think a Titans, one of the Titans kind of brass, and they had a. Like one of their upper people was. And. And Pavi was there. We would say with some dinner thing we were at. And. And I said, oh, have you guys thought about drafting Diego? You know, and the guy goes, well, he's a little small for us. You know, we kind of. We like. Like this is. One of our guys was a player there and he pointed a guy and he's like, that guy's six, seven.

[Matthew McConaughey]

Yeah.

[Theo Von]

And I was like, that guy's one in seven, right. I was like, diego Pavia is eight and two right now. And I know it's different.

[Matthew McConaughey]

No, I hear you.

[Theo Von]

But for me, it's like, if I'm a team in a city, I would get a player that everybody loves that played in that college. I don't understand why pro teams don't do that a little bit more.

[Matthew McConaughey]

Well, they do. The Saints have been the best at it historically, drafting local, keeping it In Louisiana. So that Superdome is full of people going, that's who droves my cut, you know.

[Theo Von]

Oh, that's a good point.

[Matthew McConaughey]

You know, look, I don't know how much that really works in the pros because it's a new singular brand business. I. With you, I like the sentiment of let's keep the home cook them going.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, that's how I think. That's how I think, you know, I like that kind of stuff. Are you still teaching you. Were you teaching classes at ut?

[Matthew McConaughey]

Yeah, I visit the. I guess a guy, but there's a professor that's in there daily. But then I swing in and, you know, we'll talk going for three hours at a time and. Because what we do is we break down films and ads that I've done called from script to screen, meaning, let's see the journey that this book that turned into the first script, that turned into a shooting script that turned into the movie. Let's see the journey it took to get there. Because the original screenplay is very different than the final package you see. And so let's show these students, these serious filmmakers about how there's many ways to skin the cat. And so I'll go in and we just break down. We broke down most of my films, and then I have the director come in and talk about certain scenes. And it's a.

[Theo Von]

It's.

[Matthew McConaughey]

It's a badass class, dude.

[Theo Von]

I've loved. I. I used to go perform up at. In Huntington, West Virginia, all the time. Were you guys Marshall movie? Yeah. And that was awesome, man. And one time the guy that survived read.

[Matthew McConaughey]

Yes, Dolphin.

[Theo Von]

He was speaking at the hotel that I was staying at in the. He was speaking.

[Matthew McConaughey]

When was this? How many years ago?

[Theo Von]

More, but more or less 16 years ago. 16, 12, 10.

[Matthew McConaughey]

So we had done. We are Marshall, which is probably 20 years ago. Yes. So look, I don't want to speak on. On Red's behalf, but these are this story I heard, and I hope I'm getting this correct, if I'm not, excuse me, but that, you know that crash in 1971 with that thundering Herd team? Everyone in Huntington was somehow related to that. Yeah. All right. Whether by blood or by family or by. That was the identity of the. Of the town, the college at that time. And a lot of people retreated. We showed up to go tell that story, and they were skeptical of Hollywood coming to tell their story. For good reason, for sure. Like which version you. You know.

[Theo Von]

Right.

[Matthew McConaughey]

You tell on.

[Theo Von]

Right. You're going to add some elements that are just going to make us look bad.

[Matthew McConaughey]

You're gonna make us look like that. Do you know? Well, our director, McGinty McGee did a really cool thing. He let the whole town know in the paper, hey, anybody can come by the set. Anybody wants a script, I'll give you the script. Slowly people start to come around. Script was good. They were like, okay. And then the movie comes out and I think there was a bit of catharsis that can happen. Meaning I heard that, you know, Red Dawson had been very reclusive and that the time around the film coming out, the story, and for other reasons he started to come back out, watch a game. Maybe a little from. Maybe. Maybe it started behind the fence, then it moved into a bleacher, then it moved into talk. Anyway, you hear stories like that. And not that the film we did was responsible for that, but a part of that that you go, ah, what a. What a cool thing to be a part of. And see that can happen, you know.

[Theo Von]

Well, art, that's an interesting thing about art is that something can come out of something that it's nice can come out of this. Right. Something that still honors it even if it didn't do the best job. Something that earnestly tried to show up and honor this thing. Yeah. Or have some spend time with it. Right. To spend time.

[Matthew McConaughey]

Spend time spent on it. Well intended.

[Theo Von]

Right.

[Matthew McConaughey]

Try to tell the truth on it. Ah, they get to them see a representation of some of their experiences on the proverbial Jumbotron. But also that can help us get to know ourselves better. Especially if you've been locked up and covering that. You know what I mean?

[Theo Von]

Holding those things. Yeah. It's crazy. Some of the things that we hold, you know, I got into doing like ayahuasca experiences over the past like.

[Matthew McConaughey]

Yeah.

[Theo Von]

Maybe five, six years. And that's helped like bring up a lot of old stuff and process it, you know. Yeah, that's what's been pretty good for me.

[Matthew McConaughey]

Now a lot of that's talking about going back. We were talking about ego earlier. A lot of that's about get rid of the ego in a way. When that's what's. What's been your. Your. What would you say has been the best thing, most healthy thing for you that those Ayahuasca journeys have done for you.

[Theo Von]

I would say it's helped me process a lot of old pain. Things that were like kind of weights.

[Matthew McConaughey]

Yeah.

[Theo Von]

Kind of things that were just like clumped up roots of my past.

[Matthew McConaughey]

Yeah.

[Theo Von]

Hard mud around them. Yeah. Just help that stuff break up.

[Matthew McConaughey]

Okay.

[Theo Von]

So it's easy for me to be up here a little bit in my own soil and have an experience to grow.

[Matthew McConaughey]

Yeah, you heard.

[Theo Von]

Not be locked.

[Matthew McConaughey]

Be more receptive maybe.

[Theo Von]

Yeah. And not stuck in like a lot of like, kind of burned off a lot of like old like low self worth stuff.

[Matthew McConaughey]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Theo Von]

Started to kind of disappear, you know.

[Matthew McConaughey]

Good.

[Theo Von]

Have you had any experiences like that?

[Matthew McConaughey]

Not with ayahuasca. I mean I've had, you know, my own. Most of my big sort of breakthroughs spiritually have come on singular journeys that I took by myself to places where they didn't know my name. And putting myself in those places, whether it be in Africa or the Amazon and Peru where everything that I relied on was stripped away, or the year I spent in Australia as an exchange student where all of my conveniences and my talismans of identity, whether it was my name or my, my nation or my state or my family, they're all stripped away and, and I was forced to rely on myself and forced to kind of look up and go, I'm, I'm, I'm listening. And you know, and that when that truth comes on you, man, it's like a gentle as a butterfly, that strong as a lightning bolt and you got some things that hit you. Sometimes you go, remember this, when you go back into the world and all that onion starts to get pre peeled again, you start to take on all these things and play these different parts and get these ideas. Remember this to be what you understand now to be a non negotiable truth. It's like there's an Emerson line about the, the truth that comes to us in quiet solitude. It makes so much sense. But can we take that amongst the masses? Can we walk into the cathedral, the stadium with 500 million people, look and still hold that truth to be ours and true for all time.

[Theo Von]

Wow. You know, Yeah, I think that's something. As I get older, that's the thing. I admire somebody that, something the most. Somebody that can have just like a, a quiet self confidence, you know, an integrity, you know, that's. That you can tell that that's kind of unshakable for them, you know.

[Matthew McConaughey]

Well, and it, it's tough, man, because the world changes and a lot of times we change by changing with it and adapting. A lot of times we change by staying exactly the same. And all of a sudden we look like an original. And you're like, I'm doing the same thing I was doing. I just didn't, I Didn't I just jived when everyone else jukes, you know what I mean? Or I just stayed the same while everyone else was duking and jiving.

[Theo Von]

Do you ever feel like that? Like there was. Like, there was a comedy manager one time I was on a plane with him and he said, your audience will evolve, right, because they'll grow up, but. So you have to evolve somewhat. Right. But there's a fear, I think, especially with comedian stuff. Well, this worked. Yeah, I gotta stay. I gotta be that person for, you know, that's what I have to be a lot, you know?

[Matthew McConaughey]

Yeah. I mean, I don't know if that's.

[Theo Von]

Like that for actors. I guess it probably.

[Matthew McConaughey]

No, no, sure.

[Theo Von]

Or you think like, this movie style worked for me.

[Matthew McConaughey]

That or these choices I made. Oh, everyone likes that when I do that. Yeah. That got memed. Or that guy. You know what I mean? I'm not. Doesn't mean I'm gonna, you know, I'm not. I'm not saying I'm gonna. Hey, I didn't ever go. Well, make sure you say, all right.

[Theo Von]

All right, all right.

[Matthew McConaughey]

Every scene, every movie. I'm not saying that. You know what I mean? But I'm saying there's certain things, especially.

[Theo Von]

If your character's deaf or whatever, or he's like just in a comb. And at the very end he's like, all right.

[Matthew McConaughey]

Or. Or just a pessimist. So don't, don't say.

[Theo Von]

That would be the best. He's like such a Jack Nicholson. Who's that? Jack Nicholson. That in that movie where he's just that pessimist. Anger management. Is that. Is that it? And then at the end, you finally just say it.

[Matthew McConaughey]

Here's your bumper sticker. No, there's certain things that, you know, you know, you get to. I think we all do. Rock Band knows what they're. What they're encore is, you know, Bruce knows. They want to hear Born in the usa, Right. How do you sing that? Your proverbial fastball. You know, Clemens, those 100 mile fastball. Don't mean. Does he need to know curves and sinkers? Yeah, but do you forgive your fastball? No. You don't forget your fastball.

[Theo Von]

Of course not.

[Matthew McConaughey]

I think you go, but how do you do it? What I try to remind myself is if I know I'm going with something that's a fastball, go. Okay. How do I do it? Like it's the first time each time.

[Theo Von]

Time.

[Matthew McConaughey]

I've always wanted that with, With. Well, probably with comedians. You got something you Know, man, bam, it works. How do you do. How do you do it? Like, that's the first time. How does it has a. How's a band go out and play that song they played 2,000 times, man? Like, how do they get off to it that night? What I've heard is that, oh, you got a new audience each night, so you're feeding off of them and it's their first time, so you can give it to them. Like. Like it's the first time.

[Theo Von]

I tend to never even thought about it like that. Yeah. For me, it's just always tricking myself. Laughing. Sometimes laughing seems very present.

[Matthew McConaughey]

Yeah.

[Theo Von]

And so things like that, some modalities I'll do before, like ice, bass y sauna, those types of things that just get your energy. So, like, at a fun level of being alive and existing, that no matter what you're doing seems fun.

[Matthew McConaughey]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Theo Von]

So I think a lot of. Is having fun.

[Matthew McConaughey]

How much of that. Let's talk about that. How much of doing that, being successful is. Do you think is enjoying what you're doing when you're doing it?

[Theo Von]

Oh, like how much.

[Matthew McConaughey]

If you laugh at a joke and I, I. And I, I think I'm agreeing with you here is that I've done things where I'm like, going. I feel confident enough in it where if, if it makes me laugh and no one else laughs, I'm gonna then think that's funny.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Matthew McConaughey]

And that will then probably in turn be funny.

[Theo Von]

Well, that might just be a good acting. I mean. Yeah, that's probably just a really good way to, as an actor to be able to like, have that shift. Like, okay, if this didn't even land the right way, then that part of it is then funny. Yeah. I think as a comedian, I don't. If I'm taking care of myself and I'm in a good way, then it's gonna go good. I know. I just think it's like they just want to see you having a good time. Especially these days, people are just so, like, with podcasting and stuff, people will get to know you so much. They just want to be in the room you.

[Matthew McConaughey]

Right, right.

[Theo Von]

They want the material to be good and you want it to be good. I don't want you to. Yeah.

[Matthew McConaughey]

You're all there wanting it to be good.

[Theo Von]

Right. And. And I wouldn't, I wouldn't show up if I didn't think it was at least good enough to bring to you to trade for a fair. But. But a lot of it is just people want to spend Time around each other.

[Matthew McConaughey]

My. My greatest mentor, a lady named Penny Allen, who since moved on, would always say this, you know, and you got a crew making a film. You got 120 people, you got directors, producers. Not everyone agrees on everything, right? And you can get arguments and. And she was like, just remember this, Matthew. She goes, one thing everyone is there for and wants is a good show. You know what I mean?

[Theo Von]

Right. Like that's a uniform.

[Matthew McConaughey]

Different ways of getting it. But everyone, no one's there going, I don't want this to be a good show. You all, everyone wants it to be a good show.

[Theo Von]

Dude, in my head sometimes I'll get in that thing, like, oh, I know how to make this. You know, like, that's the part I get stuck sometimes. I want to talk a few minutes more about writing and stuff before you go. Thank you for your time. Sure, man. Poems and Prayers. That's your new book that's out. When did you start writing and who kind of got you into it? I know there's stuff in here from when you were 18, from you were in high school.

[Matthew McConaughey]

That's probably when I started writing longer form.

[Theo Von]

Okay.

[Matthew McConaughey]

Poems. And that was a year in Australia where I was one of those times I was lost and wobbly and looking and. And trying to figure had. I didn't have friends to rely on, didn't have family to rely on. So I started, you know, dude, I was losing my mind in a good way. I was writing 16 page letters to myself and returning them with a 17 page letter. Yeah, bro, Socratic dialogue. I was going, hey, man, we gotta entertain ourselves. I ain't got no one else to go to, so let's have this out. And so I, you know, strange.

[Theo Von]

I mean, it's. It's cool, it's straight, it's.

[Matthew McConaughey]

It's strange and it's. And I'm unique.

[Theo Von]

Sorry it was hard.

[Matthew McConaughey]

No, it's. That's strange.

[Theo Von]

So what were the letters? Were you saying, like, trying to work out?

[Matthew McConaughey]

Yeah, I was losing my mind. I didn't know what. I didn't have a. I. I didn't have a. I didn't have a compass, man. Everything around me was. Was odd. And I didn't know if I agreed with it or disagreed with it or if it was just a cultural difference or if it was.

[Theo Von]

Or getting to know yourself.

[Matthew McConaughey]

And I didn't. I didn't know where to stand until I got pushed to where I had to make a stand. And boy, when I had to make a stand. Yeah. You know, when this Host family wanted me to call a mom and pop. And I went, no, that's that. I'm not going to do that. I appreciate you thinking of me that way, but I still have my mom and dad. And I remember at the time why I said this part, I do not know, but it was like, I thought it would ease the blow a little bit. I remember saying this. I was like, no, I have a mom and dad and they're still alive.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Matthew McConaughey]

I gave him this little context, like, oh, just in case. Like, what the hell does that matter anyway, you know? And. And to make that stand and go, no. And then call them, say goodnight and call them by their first names. And then wake up the next morning, my alarm clock was a screaming woman going, he won't call me mom. Going, oh. And then going to her and going, no, I won't, but put an arm around and going, I.

[Theo Von]

You know, creating some batteries for yourself, figuring it.

[Matthew McConaughey]

I had to create a boundary. That's it. I was, Look, I didn't. I was trying. And so to do that, that is part of, I think, a big part of identity. And so I started writing. I'd always. I'd written since I was probably 12, but I started writing poems and jotting down prayers and things when I was like, I said, lost, wobbly and looking. But also times where things were going well. And I spelled felt spiritually strong and going like, well, what are some habits I got right now? What are some ways I'm seeing the world where the world seems to be. I'm putting this out of my soul and it's music and they're. The world's kind of throwing back the next beat. Beat right at me. And I'm just. We got a tune going.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Matthew McConaughey]

You know, and then I stepped in. Oh, that's part of the tune.

[Theo Von]

Right.

[Matthew McConaughey]

You know, they laughed at my joke. Hey, that's part of the tune too. Oh, they were crickets. They didn't laugh. That's still part of the same song, you know.

[Theo Von]

Right. It's all part of the same song. Yeah. Instead of trying to get this old, this song, like just, just the perfect song, you know, Just recognize it's a long song.

[Matthew McConaughey]

It's a long song. Yeah. And so poems and prayers. Look, look, you know, I'm trying to sell Sunday morning like a Saturday night, meaning there's a lot of good stuff. Whether it's you bringing up stuff in the Bible that has a lot of good stuff for living. There's a lot of good things we've learned from mentors and other philosophers and great books and wisdoms of the past that we were told to do. And I know this. No one really likes to be told what to do most of the time. And we also don't really like to get. I don't like getting advice.

[Theo Von]

I.

[Matthew McConaughey]

Hell, every director I work with, I tell them right off the bat, I'm easy to work with. Just don't tell me what to do.

[Theo Von]

Right.

[Matthew McConaughey]

Yeah. You know what I mean? Or. Or. And then I'll tell them, even like that, you find a way to make me think it was my idea. There you go. All right. I even know you did it, but don't tell me. And I just went, there you go. That's right. You know what I mean? But if you can put it in a rhyme, if it can have a bit of a ditty to it, if you can dance to it and it's a good word, it's more fun to digest it. It makes the broccoli taste like candy.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Matthew McConaughey]

You know, and you go like, okay, I can have a beer on the way to the temple. Thank you.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Matthew McConaughey]

You know what I mean?

[Theo Von]

Right?

[Matthew McConaughey]

I mean, I'd rather have a beer on the way to the temple and be headed to the temple than abstain. Say I'm abstaining from having a beer, but headed to the head of the wrong direction to the desert.

[Theo Von]

Right. Yeah. I never liked taking suggestions. It's always been hard for me, I think, well, it's tough in your life when things go pretty good sometimes to, like, want to relinquish the wheel, you know?

[Matthew McConaughey]

Hell, yeah. But it. But. But at the same time, when things are going well, you're responsible for that. Don't give up the right to believe in that. You got. You had your hands on the wheel. When we're. When we're. Things are going well, we should not be so humble to believe that. Oh, it's all just fate.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Matthew McConaughey]

I think God wants our hands on the wheel, and I think God's. My hunch is God's going, I got too many people relying on faith.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, that's a good point. Take control of things.

[Matthew McConaughey]

You know, when things are going, there's a re. Give yourself the. The ownership of going. I did. That wouldn't cost all me.

[Theo Von]

Right.

[Matthew McConaughey]

Other things in the world happen that I'll never understand. Timing and fortune and everything, but give ourselves credit when we look at the mirror and go, you're partially. You're. You're partially responsible for that, bud. There we go.

[Theo Von]

Yeah. Yeah. To build Some sort of gravity within.

[Matthew McConaughey]

Yourself, you know, and understanding.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Matthew McConaughey]

Because there's plenty. Because it doesn't mean. And understand that there's the other. The hard part about when we're, when we're succeeding. I think catching green lights, got our hand on the wheel and we're, we're just smooth into traffic and life's like that. The hard part is believing, oh, this is how it's going to always be.

[Theo Von]

Oh yeah.

[Matthew McConaughey]

Because it ain't there. Come you'll have blow us, blow a tire, man. Some goofball is going to run a red light and hit you, you're going to run out of gas. Something's going to go wrong. So there'll be times you don't have your hands on the wheel, you don't know where you're going. So knowing that those times are coming I think is another reason to go. Well, when my hands are on the wheel and shit's working out, let's look in the mirror and give myself a little bit of wink here, boss.

[Theo Von]

There you go. Let's turn our favorite music up a little bit.

[Matthew McConaughey]

Yeah, a little bit.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Matthew McConaughey]

Drop the top.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, yeah. There's one point he talked about prayer too, that I thought was pretty cool.

[Matthew McConaughey]

Prayer is worship. Putting our head, putting our, our heart above our head. It's a beautiful sentiment, man. Prayer comes from worship, which means to literally bow down so we can put our heart above our head. So it's a physical engineered act to listen to our heart. Compassion, kindness, forgiveness, peace above our head. And we live in a world that is all we're told. Every head above heart, man. Make it more quantity, win however you do it.

[Theo Von]

Head up. Look at the jumbotron.

[Matthew McConaughey]

Right. And the humility of putting your heart above your head literally just physiologically is such a cool image for what that's for. And I don't think a lot of people, I didn't know that that is what prayer is actually engineered for. That's why you bow. You bend a knee and you bow to put your head below your heart and your heart above your head so you can hear the sacred within you. Now the sacred's coming from the heart and soul.

[Theo Von]

Soul.

[Matthew McConaughey]

I'm all for knowledge that we gain in our head and we need knowledge to understand reason. Yeah. But there's a lot of stuff that we don't. The math doesn't add up and that's, that's languages of the soul and it's not supposed to add up. And I think that's part of the pursuit of God. That's what I've always. I think God loves a scientist because that's. Scientists are the practical pursuit of God. Well, there's some spiritual stuff that we're not supposed to be able to make sense of.

[Theo Von]

I agree. What faith comes from, everything doesn't have a balance sheet. Everything you can't figure out. Everything, like, especially the emotions, you can't, you can't. Like there's not a lot of math on them.

[Matthew McConaughey]

No.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Matthew McConaughey]

Nope.

[Theo Von]

Like instincts, all of that kind of stuff. I think, like, that's something I want to lean even more into in my life is just like believing. Like there's not. I just have to know. I have to know that what this feeling I have inside of me is real. I don't need to read an article to tell me I don't need to read this or, or know this. Even if somebody shows me some fool's gold that they believe in, I have to, to know that this, this God created compass inside of me has some semblance of, of direction and factuality, you.

[Matthew McConaughey]

Know, and it takes a lot of trust and faith to do that. And it ain't easy. And I, you know, one that I always give myself a little amnesty on is from this Benedictine monk named Thomas Marton. And he said, God, I believe it, that trying to please you pleases you. So sometimes when we don't know, I think it's okay to give ourself a little pat on the back and go, at least I'm trying. And I kind of trust that that pleases God, that I'm giving an effort.

[Theo Von]

Yeah. Have some grace, huh?

[Matthew McConaughey]

Yeah, grace. Yes, sir.

[Theo Von]

Give ourselves some grace. Well, thank you, Matthew. I just. Yeah. Thanks for taking time to even contribute this to the world. Help people think. There's a lot of neat things to think about in here, like just leadership, courage, little avenues. Yeah, I think it's something that I wrote down here. Carve and burn was one that I.

[Matthew McConaughey]

Carved and burned wheat from the chafe, the fat from the meat. Yeah, man, we gotta. In the name of transformation. That weed pulling. We were talking about the top of the show. We got to tend our own garden, man, around our soul. Make sure we're pulling the weeds because you can look down, you can go, where's that diamond? Yeah, where'd it go? Oh, it's covered in all the weeds I let grow.

[Theo Von]

In the name of transformation. Die a little instead of completely. I really like that. Yeah, that's really about like having that extra beat of courage, that extra. That, you know, just believing that there's. That the. You know, that there's something here. If you just stay in this space.

[Matthew McConaughey]

You know, transformation comes with sacrifice, and that's part of dying a little bit. If you're nothing but transactional all the way through life, not transform. If you're only transactional relationships, if you're only seeking work or things that can only pay your. Your bank account or things that, you.

[Theo Von]

Know, that are definitely. That are. That are quantifiable. Right. That you know the outcome. Right. There's not a lot of faith in that definitiveness.

[Matthew McConaughey]

No. And that transaction, if it's purely for transaction, if our life is purely transactional, then I think then you die in the end. You die all the way. You die a lot. You did all right. Transformational. You will die a little because you make it a sacrifice to live forever.

[Theo Von]

Yeah. It's cool, man. There's a lot of neat stuff to think about in here. A lot of prayer, too. Do you have a kind of a prayer practice or what's that been like in your life? Or what did you even learn when you were a kid? Do you remember the first time that you ever prayed? Yeah, we can finish on that conversation.

[Matthew McConaughey]

First prayers. My mom was a big baseline gratitude. And we grew up Methodist, which is, you know, wasn't a lot of fire and brimstone is more. Be thankful for what you have and try and multiply that with yourself and others. And I remember if we come to the breakfast table, like, kind of grumpy or something, mom would be in there cooking breakfast. And she grabbed us by the arm, walk us back down to our bedroom and go, you get in bed. And you get in bed. She goes, no, no, back under the COVID She already dressed it back. She don't you come to my breakfast table where I'm cooking you breakfast until you're ready to see the rose in the vase instead of the dust on the damn table. Oh, geez. I'm coming back. So you came back. Hey, good morning. There we go. Good morning. She act like never happened, or, you know, we arguing about, man. I got this one pair of caper shoes, and they got holes in them, and I need another pair of shoes. You know, you better quit bitching about having no shoes. I'm going to introduce you to kid with no feet. Whoa, Geez. So she would all. She was big on baseline gratitude.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Matthew McConaughey]

And going. Before you get into, you know, being upset or pouty about anything today, look outside this curtain. You see the sun rose again. That was not a guarantee.

[Theo Von]

Amen before you get how you feel about it, let's look at the facts.

[Matthew McConaughey]

Let's look at. Let's look at what gift was given. Now, we may have a hard day. We may have something we got to work with, but that's baseline gratitude that you cannot, do not take for granted.

[Theo Von]

And now I have a tool to work with it with. You show up some gratitude. It makes everything. It certainly makes things smoother. Do you think. Last question. Do you think that. And this is back to football. Cause do you think that the. The Oklahoma, Texas. Do you think those teams like being in the SEC now? You do?

[Matthew McConaughey]

Yeah. Well, I know. I know Texas does, and I look, I think Oklahoma does, too. And I think A and M did. When they got. I don't think, you know, there were. There were rumblings that A and M didn't want us coming over there, but I think in their heart of hearts, they got. They got enough hood spot. They wanted us to come there. They wanted. Let's get that rivalry going again. I know Texas wants to be there.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Matthew McConaughey]

We want the greatest competition. We want to be in the greatest conference, and we want the greatest competition, and we want to push ourselves to. To compete at that highest level.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, it is exciting. Yeah, I just. Yeah, I wondered that a little bit because, you know, you just get so used to things being a certain way, you know, and you're like, like. And then something else comes in. And I was like, do they really love it? You know, so, yeah, I was just curious. Thanks for helping me think, man. Good to see you today, bro. Yep. Congratulations. Thanks for sharing so many creative things with us over the years and helping us have thoughts and feelings. Like, I've had a lot of emotion to your movies and been inspired and. And felt things and. And. And unfelt things, you know, by. By watching your art over the years. And so thank you so much. Thank you for Green Lights. Thank you for this new book. It's out now. Poems and prayers. Yeah. Just a lot of good stuff to fodder to think about and feel about. So thank you so much, man.

[Matthew McConaughey]

You're welcome. Good to be here.

[Theo Von]

Yes, sir.

[Matthew McConaughey]

Now I'm just falling on the breeze and I feel I'm falling like these leaves I must be cornerstone to oh but when I reach that ground I'll share this peace of mind I found I can feel it in my bones but it's gonna take a little.