Episode 35 - Max

Summary

Podcast Summary: This Week in The West Kootenays – Episode 35: Max

Release Date: March 4, 2023

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Introduction of Max: The Multifaceted Producer

The episode welcomes Max as a guest, highlighting his extensive involvement in the local music and podcasting scenes. Max is introduced as a member of bands like Aditz, Severed Arm, and Reality Trap. His impressive portfolio includes producing over 8,000 podcast episodes and running a record label. Sean, one of the hosts, humorously notes Max’s vast experience:

Sean [02:29]: "He produced more than 8,000 podcast episodes of all varieties. And he still does it, if you have one. He's the guy."

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Nostalgia for Classic Films and Evolving Comedy

The conversation shifts to a nostalgic discussion about classic movies such as Police Academy and Ghostbusters, reminiscing about their impact and the preference for watching them in their original or dubbed versions. Sean shares his fondness for watching movies in French with his cousins:

Sean [05:04]: "Like Ghostbusters, if I can. Like, if I'm hanging out with my cousins back in Montreal, we get high and want to watch Ghostbusters. We watch it in French and then we recite the whole thing."

The hosts delve into how comedy has evolved, referencing legends like Bill Hicks and George Carlin. They lament the formulaic nature of modern stand-up compared to the raw authenticity of past comedians.

Sean [14:31]: "He's saying the blunt truth. Sometimes it's very unpleasant. But he's gonna make it funny as well."

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Cultural Shifts: Montreal vs. West Kootenays

Sean and Max contrast their experiences between living in Montreal and the West Kootenays. Sean reflects on the cultural richness of Montreal and the subsequent cultural adjustments after moving:

Sean [07:44]: "Growing up in Montreal was cool for that. I was surrounded with a lot of culture that I could tap into, like, easily."

Max echoes similar sentiments about the slower-paced life in the Kootenays, emphasizing the difference in community interactions and cultural engagement.

Max [07:50]: "That's a different experience, man. It took me forever to get that experience, too."

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The Impact of COVID-19 on the Local Music Scene

The discussion transitions to how the COVID-19 pandemic has influenced the local music scene in the West Kootenays. Sean observes a resurgence in musical collaborations and the formation of new bands post-pandemic:

Sean [19:32]: "I'm telling you, there's something happening right now. Right now it's happening. I can feel it."

Max notes that the pandemic allowed smaller scenes to merge and collaborate more freely, leading to a vibrant and unified local music community.

Max [20:28]: "We're almost all the same. Maybe that's why I'm not getting."

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Podcasting Experiences and Ethical Dilemmas

Sean shares his challenging experiences as a podcast editor, detailing encounters with problematic content. He recounts editing for a right-wing Christian podcast that began to produce uncomfortable content:

Sean [28:15]: "They started veering into, like, right-wing, like, American, like, living in Florida. Like, they were going that way."

Despite his discomfort, Sean continued due to financial necessity but eventually distanced himself when the content became too misaligned with his values.

Sean [29:54]: "If they were reaching, I don't know, a hundred thousand people per episode, I would have probably walked out of that and say, I don't want to be involved with that."

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Recording Techniques: Multi-Track vs. Live Recording

A significant portion of the episode focuses on the technical aspects of music production. Sean explains his preference for multi-track recording over live off-the-floor methods, emphasizing the control and quality it offers:

Sean [47:41]: "It's gonna get like a real live feel instead of like track by track like I did with Bitter Wash."

Max contrasts this with the local trend towards live recordings, which capture the raw energy of performances but can introduce unwanted noise and bleed between instruments.

Max [47:40]: "So all the different mics. Yeah, and it's all gonna bleed in. There's gonna be no separation."

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Personal Stories: Balancing Life and Music

The hosts delve into personal narratives about balancing personal life with musical commitments. Sean recounts his journey from a drummer in Montreal to focusing on bass and leading multiple bands in the Kootenays. He discusses the challenges of maintaining relationships and personal well-being amidst a demanding music career:

Sean [35:58]: "I'm in three bands. Although the Aditz were not really a jam band because the drummer lives in Creston."

Max relates by sharing his own experiences of moving from city life in Calgary to the more tranquil Kootenays, highlighting the adjustments required.

Max [08:28]: "Six years? In Castlegar? Yeah, pretty much."

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Community and Future Events

Towards the end of the episode, the hosts discuss upcoming shows and the supportive nature of the local music community. Sean highlights the interconnectedness of bands and the enthusiasm surrounding upcoming performances:

Sean [39:35]: "We’re playing in Weimer, March 18 and Bucket. Those guys are kids from the soccer college in Music."

Max promotes the upcoming show, emphasizing the diversity and energy of the local bands involved.

Max [53:03]: "We're trying to sell you nothing. Well, I'm gonna try to sell my business."

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Humorous Outro: The Gumball Initiative

The episode concludes with a humorous segment featuring Troy's quirky gumball initiative. Troy announces a community gumball project, accompanied by playful banter and comedic dialogues with his father:

Troy [57:55]: "Psychiatrists Review. I'm psychiatrist Helen. It may seem to some that our friend Troy here is a villain from wanting to stick his dick in a gumball made of other people's gum."

This light-hearted conclusion serves as a comedic finale, contrasting the earlier serious discussions.

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Key Takeaways

• Max's Expertise: His deep involvement in music production and podcasting provides valuable insights into the local entertainment landscape.
• Cultural Evolution: The shift from Montreal’s vibrant cultural scene to the more intimate Kootenays highlights the adaptability and resilience of artists.
• Pandemic's Positive Impact: COVID-19 fostered new collaborations and revitalized the local music scene, encouraging the formation of new bands.
• Ethical Podcasting: Sean’s experiences underscore the ethical considerations in content creation and the importance of aligning work with personal values.
• Recording Practices: The debate between multi-track and live recording methods illustrates the ongoing evolution in music production techniques.

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Notable Quotes

• Sean on Bill Hicks:

  "Bill Hicks is a lot like Carly, like saying the blunt truth... he's giving it like Bill Hicks to like, the last couple tours he was literally dying of cancer."

• Max on Recording Techniques:

  "There's gonna be no separation. Like the bass gonna be picked up by the mic from the drums."

• Sean on Community:

  "I wrote that I want to show them that there's worth. And committing yourself to, like, something holy, like, your whole self."

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This episode provides a rich tapestry of discussions, weaving together personal anecdotes, professional insights, and humorous exchanges, painting a vivid picture of the vibrant yet challenging environment of the West Kootenays' music and podcasting scene.

Transcript

[Troy]

Oh, what's this? Saloon de West Kootenays. The traveler from the east, having nary an inkling of what could be in store for him, walked headlong into saloon to West Coutneys with all of his marbles still in his head.

[Max]

Hello. I'll have a pint sealed to play.

[Troy]

Oh, of course, stranger. New in town?

[Max]

Yes.

[Troy]

Is it that obvious? Well, you're wearing a tailor made suit, camel skin loafers, and a grin that looks like it's used to mummy's nipples. The traveler from the east stared blankly at the barkeep, uncertain of how to explain that he no longer suckled at his mummy's golden teat.

[Max]

I actually no longer suckle at mummy's golden teat, I'll have you know. Bucket.

[Troy]

Have you had your newcomer spanking yet? The traveler from the east did not care for the way the barkeep said spanking.

[Max]

I have not had a spanking in a long time, good sir.

[Troy]

Patrons, we have a newcomer in need of the newcomers welcome spanking. The newcomer's welcome spanking was reserved for this exact type of personality. A newcomer with a zeal and zest for romantic new ventures.

[Max]

I actually don't want to be spanked.

[Troy]

I'll go first. Newcomer.

[Max]

Ooh.

[Sean]

Oh.

[Troy]

No need to shuffle and push around, guys. Everyone gets a turn. The spanking went on until every patron had a turn. The newcomer didn't like it. He loved it. The welcome he what he received from the people of the West Coutneys was the kindest he ever received. The newcomer went on to deliver newspapers for a number of years before fatally succumbing to gelt.

[Sean]

The views and opinions expressed in the following episode of this Week in the West Kootenays do not necessarily reflect those held by BC legend Steve Nash. Listener discretion is advised.

[Max]

This Week in the West Coopies. Welcome to this Week in the West Coopenies. Too loud. Apologies. There haven't been very many episodes lately of this program and that's due to time. Time, time. And I have none of it. You have none of it probably either. So if you're looking for more of the ads and things that we make. So I guess I have time for something. We have a new podcast called People's Commercial Radio. And it's not for the queasy of of the membrane, but it's out there if you want to check it out. People's Commercial Radio. You know what we got today? Max, what do you know on the show Today is Max. Max is a member of the Aditz he's also a member of Severed Arm and Reality Trap. He recently produced. That's right, He's a producer as well. He produced Bitter Washed, Bandit of Rossland, as you probably know. And right now he's producing some toaster tracks. What else cool. Does Max do well? Fucking lots. He's produced more than 8,000 podcast episodes of all varieties. And he still does it, if you have one. He's the guy. This is his debut as a guest on a podcast. Are you looking to trade tapes, perhaps? Well, I've traded tapes. Them. He trades tapes online. You want to have a concert? Well, Max will sort that out. He also runs a record label. Wow. Who is this guy? Well, let's chat about it. Let's find out, eh? Let's talk about it.

[Troy]

And now the extraordinary. The one of a kind. The one. Max.

[Max]

Yeah, here, I want to do an experiment. Yeah, sure, go ahead. I want to have like an old movie playing there.

[Sean]

Sure.

[Max]

Silent.

[Sean]

We can come.

[Max]

Yeah, Police Academy. Police Academy.

[Sean]

First one.

[Max]

So good.

[Sean]

I haven't seen that in like 20 years.

[Max]

Me neither. I'm halfway through.

[Sean]

Last time I saw that was probably within French because when I was watching movies as a kid, it was dubbed in French.

[Max]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Sean]

All those I'm.

[Max]

And the jokes would work, man, I.

[Sean]

Think the jokes, it was amazing. Like some of those old movies, I still want to watch them in French because it's like what I grew up with, like Ghostbusters, if I can. Like, if I'm hanging out with my cousins back in Montreal, we get high and want to watch. Watch Ghostbuster. We watch it in French and then we recite the whole thing.

[Max]

First Ghostbusters.

[Sean]

Yeah, yeah, the first one. Yeah. The only one that really matters.

[Max]

Yeah. It's actually true. Same with this, I think.

[Sean]

Yeah, please, Academy. Yeah.

[Max]

Because you know what? I'm gonna mute it.

[Sean]

Is that him?

[Max]

Steve Gutenberg?

[Sean]

Yeah, that's Steve Gutenberg. Yeah. The big shot movie.

[Max]

This movie is of 19, what, 83 or 4?

[Sean]

Something like that.

[Max]

Something like that.

[Sean]

I was a young. I was a young man when that came out. Yeah.

[Max]

And I. I've never. I watched Police Academy six, 100 times before. I saw this. I loved it. Then I saw this. Man, it's filthy. You know, you think that we're making dirty jokes nowadays, like Mahoney sitting under the pulpit or whatever at this convention.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Max]

With this prostitute I know how to see.

[Sean]

How do you get that? Wouldn't fly the name Commissioner Cubs.

[Max]

And he's getting just sucked off while he's under there because she thinks that's his client. So she's sucking him off and he's loving it. And then he looks back, Mahoney pokes his head out and waves.

[Sean]

Yeah, I know.

[Max]

Imagine that's like a traumatic experience.

[Sean]

I can't believe my dad tell me, like, watch those movies. I remember I was a kid, maybe like eight or nine years old, and he'd be like, I don't know. Oh, you should watch like, oh, the Goonies are coming on. You're gonna love that movie. And then I watch that. Or be like, oh, you should watch Police Academy. And then I was grow. Growing up a little bit. Some, like, late night film would go on. Oh, tonight's the Clockwork Orange. I remember going to see that in, like, 1971. You should watch that movie. And then they'll be like, oh, and.

[Max]

Then you watched it.

[Sean]

Yeah, yeah, watch it. Yeah. He told me about Space Odyssey as well. My dad apparently was into Kubrick a lot. So, yeah, he, like, that's amazing, man. Culture.

[Max]

And he goes, you guys, you have to see this. This is a life changer. Yeah, that's a big advantage, man.

[Sean]

Yeah, yeah. No, that was great. Well, growing up in Montreal was cool for that. I was surrounded with a lot of culture that I could tap into, like, easily. I kind of feel for my kids a little growing up, like, in a small town like here, because they won't have access. Well, it's not true. I. I shouldn't say that they'll still have access to it with the Internet, but I feel like growing up in a big city, like, I did, it was, like, benefit beneficial for, like, the culture that I, like, absorbed. I was like a sponge, like, drinking it in.

[Max]

Yeah, yeah, all of it. I know. I was thinking that the other day, and, like, man, my kids are gonna, like, know that there's mountains, they'll play in the river where they're not gonna, like, walk by an event happening and not know what was happening or not have a part of it.

[Sean]

Exactly.

[Max]

That's a different experience, man. It took me forever to get that experience, too. I was, like, 19 years old. I went to, like, a Christian concert.

[Sean]

Oh, wow.

[Max]

When I was 18 years old, my first concert, Christian. And I was like, ah, what's the hype about? You know?

[Sean]

Yeah. Jesus. But I was like, rock and roll as well as sa.

[Max]

The days, though, where you're like, oh, am I allowed to listen to this? Get my whack off. Everyone's got a bone or two, like, watching. Yeah. No wonder there's so much. So much stuff that goes on there.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Max]

But, man. Yeah. Your kids grew up like this, The West Kootenays. How long have you lived here?

[Sean]

I'm going on six years now.

[Max]

Six years?

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Max]

Oh, in Castlegar?

[Sean]

Yeah, pretty much. Yeah. I landed in Pass Creek. Went from fucking downtown Montreal in the gay village to Pass Creek. That was quite a fucking change, man. Oh, ye. It was pretty intense. Like, flick the switch. It's like, all right, you're in nature now.

[Max]

Yeah.

[Sean]

Instead of having. Oh, yeah, it was a good trip, but like, it turned into a bad trip pretty soon because not long after landing here, my wife and I split and she, like, filed for divorce. And so, yeah, turned into a nightmare pretty quick. But first, like, six months were really cool. Like, I was digging. Coming from the sea. I was done with the city. Oh, yeah. Everything. Music and all. Like, I was done. I was coming here to, like, just be. For.

[Max]

Grow a potato.

[Sean]

Yeah, exactly. Landon in Pass Creek. It was great. Instead of having, like, hobos going through my garbage. Those bears now and like that. So it was like. But yeah, it didn't last long there. Then it turned to. Then I moved to other Chenya and now I'm in Castle Guard proper.

[Max]

Yeah, it feels good.

[Sean]

Yeah, it feels good. Oh, yeah, I love it. It's my place here.

[Max]

I'm not.

[Sean]

I'm not going anywhere.

[Max]

Yeah. That's awesome.

[Sean]

You're. You're from here?

[Max]

No, no, I'm from, like, northern bc.

[Sean]

Norton.

[Max]

Yeah. But I came from Calgary. I was living there for 13 years.

[Sean]

Oh, yeah. So you know, city life.

[Max]

So I was done with the city too. Like, man, give me an airplane. Like, how sick of those sounds. We live, like, in a flight path.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Max]

Yeah. You're sitting outside and like, wait a sec. You know, just like in the movies. Hold on. Hold that thought for a minute.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Max]

And then. All right, go ahead. And you just get used to it. But after a while, if you're not going to grow up like that, maybe you didn't.

[Sean]

Yeah. Planes and that must have sucked. I mean, I'm right by the train tracks here where I'm at, and that's kind of annoying.

[Max]

Is it annoying? Does he hoot his horn?

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Max]

Oh, yeah.

[Sean]

Across the street while in the night. Like, sometimes he passes at like 1am it doesn't happen often, but at 1am and he has to blare those horns because there's no lights there.

[Max]

Oh.

[Sean]

So, yeah, it doesn't happen often late at night, but it happened a couple times. I remember being Woken up by. I was like, what the hell?

[Max]

It's like 1am well, and yell at it.

[Sean]

No, no, I wouldn't go yelling train. That's a bad idea.

[Max]

Oh, and I think I've always found those are really bad ideas to yell at something you have no control over.

[Sean]

Exactly.

[Max]

Like I've been doing it lately. Cuz I'm full of rage weather and like.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Max]

And things. And I'm trying that weather temperate. But like my buddy, we were driving from Saskatchewan to Vancouver and he. There's a semi on the road and he got mad at it. So he fucking pulls out and goes in front and whatever. That fucking thing chased us for like 100km.

[Sean]

Oh wow.

[Max]

Right in front of us back.

[Sean]

Whoa.

[Max]

He was scared. He's white knuckling. And I'm like, I think this guy's serious. Just like the movie, that Steven Spielberg movie.

[Sean]

Yeah, with the truck.

[Max]

Yeah, the truck one.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Max]

But he was like, what the fuck? But it was like he didn't do much to it, but he was mad at it wasn't cut it off sort of. And then was like, what's a Sammy gonna do? Well, Sammy's gonna like kill you.

[Sean]

Yeah, exactly. Wasn't there an old like movie with Mickey Rook with like evil trucks and like that like around the time of driven or something? Yeah, yeah, yeah, I remember that.

[Max]

And there's a Stephen King one. Well, that's Carrie or something.

[Sean]

Yeah, I know. That's Christine. Christine. That was my first Stephen King movie. And it's also John Carpenter movie, so.

[Max]

Oh yeah, right.

[Sean]

Yeah. It's not bad. I mean it's not. It holds up kind of like Police Academy.

[Max]

Yeah.

[Sean]

I don't know if we're gonna get caught by whoever like owns the right to Police Academy for saying. But I'm gonna say it one more time just to be sure. Police.

[Max]

Police Academy. This one, this one. I put it on because in one of these podcasts I actually ran into someone who was in this movie. She was like 60 years old and she's like. I'm like, oh, what part were you in? She's like the shower scene. Like she was talking to this guy about going to church. Shower scene's all nude.

[Sean]

Wow, everyone.

[Max]

There's so much nudity in here. Yeah, like. Yeah, a theater release.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Max]

No, she's like, there's no way you'll know which one's me.

[Sean]

Those are like frat boys movies. That's like, that was the market like audience. They were going for porkies, National Lampoon and all those Amazing. But like now I watch some of.

[Max]

Them and are not funny, man.

[Sean]

Revenge of the Nerds. I. I used to love that movie, man, growing up, it was so good. And then you listen to that, you're like, what?

[Max]

Yeah, some age well and some don't know. That's why I like to check, go back in time and see have I changed?

[Sean]

Or just like the rose tinted glass of nostalgia.

[Max]

Why did they make this? Why did they make this movie like this? Like, who are they trying to please? Is always what I'm looking.

[Sean]

I was definitely the fucking like a frat boy crowd of like the 80s and shit.

[Max]

Yeah, college looked.

[Sean]

I don't know if it was like in the movies or like if you read books about that, but College in the 80s looked like it was wild. I think especially American college looked like it was some seriously wild.

[Max]

Yeah, like now, frick. They have like patrols at night and there's still guys that are like hooligans out there. Like not every woman is safe on campus now. Imagine when there were no cameras or security. Yeah, it's nuts to think about. So then they make these movies and I think Police Academy is like one of the first ones that's not completely like misogynistic. Is that the right word? Like there's like strong women, strong people of color. Every. Everyone's strong, I guess.

[Sean]

Yeah, I guess.

[Max]

Picking on a race. There's nothing in like that in here.

[Sean]

Everybody's a nudity.

[Max]

Everyone loves having sex. But there's like this. I guess there's misogyny.

[Sean]

There's some. They're playing on the stereotypes and I mean they were like aiming at them like 16, 18 year old teenagers. Like it just knocks on the door and they get a boner. Yeah, that. That's who they were going after. Yeah, that's the dollar they were looking for. Yeah, the horny teenager dollar. That's a good dollar.

[Max]

They'll spend it. They'll earn it.

[Sean]

No, spend the dollar bill. I'm just like doing the Bill Hicks routine about marketing. Oh, he's going after the horny teenager dollar. That's a good dollar. Good dollar.

[Max]

I've heard that before.

[Sean]

No, Bill Hicks.

[Max]

Yeah, it was teenager dollar.

[Sean]

It was the anniversary last week. I think of his passing. I think 35 years since Bill Hick passed. Yeah. What a genius that guy was.

[Max]

I gotta get to know that.

[Sean]

Yeah, you don't know Bill Hicks at all.

[Max]

I've heard the name.

[Sean]

Oh, man, it's like, it's really good. Like. Well, it's good and he gets like pissed off and angry and mean. But like, I don't know, it's some very. Like. He's one of the best.

[Max]

Yeah, I think that's one of my stand up comedy's become like, I'm not saying I'm not knocking it because I'm not good at it. Just because I failed doesn't mean I hate it.

[Sean]

No, no, of course. It's like if I would because I never made it in music.

[Max]

Yeah, yeah, imagine that. Yeah, it's become formulaic. Like, oh, it is pausing and. And topics.

[Sean]

And it's been jumping around like they're scared now they're not scared.

[Max]

And like when Carlin used to start, I don't think he knew when he would end or how it would end. He just knew like, certain points.

[Sean]

See, Bill Hicks is a lot like Carly, like saying the like blunt truth. Sometimes it's very unpleasant. Unpleasant. But he's gonna make it funny as well. Yeah, but he's giving it like Bill Hicks to like, the last couple tours he was literally dying of cancer. So he didn't give a. And this guy. I, I don't know. I saw that earlier this week on the Internet and I knew that too, but I was reminded of that like some other comic was talking about that it was, was actually like touring places like Alabama and like that where we'd go. Like, his material would be like confrontational for like, oh, yeah, those crowds and he would like berate them and absolutely, like be like outrageous and. Yeah, he was, he was great. He was great. And now people are saying he's Alex Jones was like told. But yeah, it's like this, this myth going around the Internet that like Bill Hick, like fake his dent and then became Alex Jones.

[Max]

Oh, it's crazy what goes on, man. Man, you could turn. If you have like it, you can rewrite a few pages of the Internet and say, hey, look at this, man. Turns out the Zodiac Killer.

[Sean]

It's John Tito the time travel. Yeah, John Tito.

[Max]

That's when the earth was. The earth was flat. But you know, like you could get into anything.

[Sean]

Is there, is there a lot of flatters around the Kootenay thing?

[Max]

I don't know.

[Sean]

There's a lot of people around though. Yeah, there's a lot of.

[Max]

Oh, that's hilarious.

[Sean]

Around here.

[Max]

Yeah, there, man, there's all sorts of people.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Max]

Like there's a banner, like when you were from living in Calgary, you think you're going to the Kootenays, so you're going to someplace weird. Where everyone's like kind of pulling together to create, like an experience. It's just like the tourist way of thinking of it. Then you get here and it's like, man, everyone's like, kind of pulling apart in a weird way.

[Sean]

It kind of is.

[Max]

And like, there over here, trails. I thought trail was the same as casting or House Nelson, but it wildly. Half an hour down the road.

[Sean]

Oh, yeah. That's wild.

[Max]

And that is something I didn't expect.

[Sean]

Yeah. I remember when I moved here, I was telling people like, B.C. and the West Kootenays, like a big Grateful Dead concert. That's what it felt like. A bunch of high hippies everywhere. Time trip.

[Max]

That's what I thought too.

[Sean]

And then Covid happened and everybody just went berserk.

[Max]

Oh, yeah.

[Sean]

Was that. Well, around here, I felt like, I, I, I don't know, man.

[Max]

You're here before and after.

[Sean]

Yeah, I mean, I'm not like, on anybody for their opinion as far as I'm concerned. They're allowed to have whatever opinion they want, but I'm allowed to think they're morons for it. So it's fair game as far as I'm concerned. But still, I felt like that was like they were coming out of the woodworks. I was surprised at how many, like, people don't believe in none of that. That was very, like, divisive.

[Max]

And oh yeah, it's probably not going.

[Sean]

To like, I was starting a battle around that and we had like to let go while the guy was all right, it was a good player, but he's weirdo about that. And we're like, sorry, you're gone. But that band all together was. Yeah, that was incredibly bad.

[Max]

Experience.

[Sean]

Experience. Oh, geez. That was my first band getting back in.

[Max]

And you're like, oh, yeah.

[Sean]

After five years break when I moved here, like I was saying earlier, I was like, oh, it's done. I was playing drums at my place every day, like over records. But I was like, done with bands and like that. So I started this band to see if I was, like, still into it five years later. And it happened to be like the worst hardship ever. But it kind of made me realize that, yeah, I was still up for it if I was willing to put pull up with that. And then I found the adits. And then it became uncomplicated.

[Max]

So, yeah, like minded. I think that was like, it. It's probably, probably good in a way. Covid happened at certain things, certain times for people.

[Sean]

Hey, yeah.

[Max]

Oh, you see? Oh, that's who you Are. And sometimes it was extremely inconvenient.

[Sean]

Yeah, it was shady.

[Max]

Well, my dad's like that. Or you're. Oh, man. My uncle. Holy crap. I didn't know he was.

[Sean]

People like shown. Shown their true colors, I think.

[Max]

Do you think, like bring it back to music. Do you think there's a resurgence of.

[Sean]

Music then around here? Passion now around here. I'm telling you, there's something happening right now. Right now it's happening. I can feel it. I can feel it. And I'm not the only one saying that. I. I'm working with Bitter Wash of Rosten right now recording an album and Austin and that band saying the same thing. Trevor. I started a new band with Trevor as well. We're all feeling like something's happening. Like Lashan, the guitar player in Severed Arm was saying that too. He feels like since Covid's done all those like small scenes that wouldn't really have like mingled together before because, oh, those guys are weird. They like win the crowd in the castle now we just don't give a. We all get together, we start bands. There's Nelson and Nelson that are booking shows. We have Toaster around here, like gig constantly. I mean it's all different kind of music. Doesn't really like fit all together, but everybody's doing something, everybody's pulling shows and yeah, maybe.

[Max]

Oh wow. We're almost all the same. Maybe that's why I'm not getting.

[Sean]

And it's what it should be about as well. I mean, that's one thing I hated about big cities. This was like scenes and shit. Like, yeah, we're just cremo bands and we're just like sticking together. And even a place where in Montreal you have to have like the like language divide. Like it's French and English a lot in Montreal. So the French scene, like, I'm French Canadian. I wouldn't really play shows with like the English band or very little. And like we wouldn't really start bands together. Some would, some wouldn't. But it's like this weird divide and shit around here. It doesn't really matter. So I feel like it's great. I feel like something is really happening right now, music wise, artistically. Like kids are starting bands and shit like that. We played in Weimer two Fridays ago and there was a lot of like 18, 19 year old kids there. It was great. It was really great. I was like, shit.

[Max]

I haven't seen much of that. Yeah, I guess I'll just go to the. Not an all ages show if you have an all ages show. There's kids showing up now, eh?

[Sean]

I guess so. That's what I want to do. That's all I want to do all age shows. Like I'm. I don't want to say I'm done with playing bars because it's not true. But yeah, that's. I want kids. That's who I want, man.

[Max]

Like, they need something to do.

[Sean]

I'm old, I'm grumpy and.

[Max]

Hey guys, here's why I'm old and grumpy.

[Sean]

Exactly. Like I, I know one thing in life and it's rock. And I want to bring it to like kids. Like, I want them, like, to. It's not just about tick tock and YouTube. Like just pick up a guitar, a drum, whatever, and you're angry at your mom and dad, start a band and yell about it. And instead of, I don't know, I don't know what kids do these days. I feel like I'm talking a little bit through my ass right now.

[Max]

I feel that way too. Instead of picking up a gun, pick up a guitar.

[Sean]

Exactly right.

[Max]

And then y'all like, man, that'll probably do it. Instead of actually going to jail for something.

[Sean]

Exactly. It certainly did it for me. I mean, yeah, get up there, cringe. When I think about the songs I was writing when I was 16 years old. But man, if I didn't have that, I wouldn't be sitting here.

[Max]

Guys like you are supporting, supportive of kids like that.

[Sean]

Sure.

[Max]

Like men. And, and they don't know anybody's support. So they're gonna go, hey, man, I can scream about my worst experiences in my life into a microphone in front of people. Tell them. Exactly true. And they'll support me.

[Troy]

Yeah.

[Max]

And they'll cheer.

[Troy]

Yeah.

[Sean]

And.

[Max]

And you'll be like, wow, good job.

[Sean]

Exactly. I'll be, I'll be there as. As much as I can.

[Max]

That's funny.

[Sean]

I'm talking like, I'm this big, like, proponent of this scene, but I got it.

[Max]

But you know a bunch of guys who are too.

[Sean]

Yeah, I know. But I gotta be honest that sometimes I just stay at home instead of going at shows because I've been to so many shows in my life that like, at some point I'm just like, it's work. So I don't want to go like I, I should, I don't support, like, I should too. And. But I mean, still like kids starting bands. Like, we're playing in Weimer, March 18 and Bucket. Those guys are kids from the soccer college in Music. Music. And they're starting a band.

[Max]

No way.

[Sean]

Yeah, yeah. And we. We had them on, like, they know, like, people in Bitter Wash and stuff. And I was like, yeah, sure, let's have like, young. I want young bands to play with us. Like, I. I have, like, I feel like I have some. I don't want to sound pretentious, but I have, like, some stuff to give out. Like, I want to show them.

[Max]

You do.

[Sean]

I don't know.

[Max]

You produce. You could produce. You know what the sound is. Like, that's a huge thing for kids. This guy can produce.

[Sean]

And it's technical skills or anything. I just want to show them that, like, there's. There's worth. And committing yourself to, like, something holy, like, your whole self. Like, when I make music, like when I committed myself to make music, that's all I wanted to do. And that's all I. Well, it's not all I did. I did some other stuff, but that's what I like. There's worth in committing yourself to, like, a endeavor like that.

[Max]

Yeah.

[Sean]

At some point it pays off. Like, when you spend a 10,000 hours playing that instrument, at some point you're gonna be good. There's no. There's no other way around it. Yeah, there's no other way around it. And there's good. There's good, like, YouTube. It's there to, like, show kids, whatever. Like, I don't like that band Polyphia, but that guy is doing like, some crazy innovative with guitars that are making kids notice and they want to pick up a guitar. Remember the last time that happened? That was when Guitar. Guitar Hero came out.

[Max]

Yeah, Guitar Hero.

[Sean]

That was great for music.

[Max]

Thinking about Guitar Hero today. Guitar Hero 1 and 2.

[Sean]

The game sucked. I hated it.

[Max]

Oh, but the songs in the first two. Holy crap. That's why they played, man.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Max]

Megadeth's the last song. Like Holy War.

[Sean]

Yeah, exactly.

[Max]

Wars. What was it, hangar 18?

[Sean]

Yeah, something like that.

[Max]

Like, and then you're learning. You're listening to a guy, like.

[Sean]

Exactly. It's one of the greatest songs you've already heard. And wailing away.

[Max]

Wailing away. And you're doing it with them. And I, you know, man, and my.

[Sean]

Point with that is that, like, they started with this toy and then they were like, oh, rock and metal is cool.

[Max]

Yeah.

[Sean]

Let's start a real band. Let's get real instruments and get three chords together, make a racket and have some fun.

[Max]

Yeah.

[Sean]

Like, the thing is, like, if you start doing that and you get at it at some Point. You'll start playing shows in your town. Then you go a little bit outside of your. Your town. Before you know it, you're in the next province over. You're making friends for life and getting experiences that you're proud of, never forget.

[Max]

Yeah.

[Sean]

So. And it's. That's what I want to teach my kids. That's why I try, when. Whenever I can, to bring them with me when I play shows. Like when we did the jalopy thing, like, they were with me. Liam came and played on stage with us. I want to teach to them that there's, like, there's a community where. Where this stuff is happening. Like, there's a scene. Like, people stick together. We all do shits together. Like, everybody put their hand at, like, pull making that event together. Like the whole place. The kids were selling merch and it was great. Yeah, it was great.

[Max]

Party, man.

[Sean]

Yeah. I'm sorry. I'm kind of hijacking the whole thing.

[Max]

It should be.

[Sean]

It's my first time on a podcast after 8, 000 episodes.

[Max]

8, 000 episodes of editing.

[Sean]

Editing. That's like. That's an average. It's probably a little bit more than that. I've been doing that six, seven years now. So. Yeah, at one point, I was doing 19 shows a week.

[Max]

Holy crap.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Max]

Shows a week. So they would send you like an hour, two hours of stuff? Well, no, you listen to it.

[Sean]

Yeah, yeah. Really over. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Rarely over an hour, but yeah, listen to the whole thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it was. It was. Yeah, it was something.

[Max]

Yeah, that's something. I feel your brain is full of something.

[Sean]

Yeah. Well, man, whenever I finish, like every edited episode, I feel like I want to slap the people I just edited. Yeah, it's bad, man.

[Max]

How many are entertaining where you're like, man, I can't wait till that person sends me one.

[Sean]

Not a whole lot.

[Max]

Is it about, like, tire rod ends. Like, this is how you make a tie rod in.

[Sean]

Yeah, I think at this point, it's beyond. It's beyond the point. But yeah, it was bare some very boring subject or stuff I have no interest in. Like, I have one. It's not true that I have no interest in, but. And that's beyond the point. My opinion of their show shouldn't matter because no. Something else, which is making it sound good. But there's one. It's like heavily Christian.

[Max]

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that's what I'm talking about. Like, I could listen to someone talk about cars and I'd learn all about cars in the most boring way maybe, but, like, something you don't agree with or something that's like, judgmental towards other people. I don't know if I'd be. How far would you take it? Like, how bad does it have to be until you're like, nah, there was one.

[Sean]

There was one show I was doing. Thankfully, I'm not doing anymore, but. Oh, the cassette was rewinding.

[Max]

I'll just keep it going. That's not a good. What does that sound, man?

[Sean]

Yeah, it sounds like a fan. There was one. There was one show where when the pandemic hit, they started veering into, like, right, right, right wing. They were American, like, living in Florida. Like, they were going that way. And I gotta admit that, like, I was taking the money regardless. I mean, it was. It was veering on the point where it was getting uncomfortable. Like, I was not. It was not sitting well with me that I was taking the money. But at the same time, I was looking at their stats and they were reaching maybe five people a week with a show. So it's like they're not doing a whole lot of damage there if they're doing any damages to themselves. Like, sounding like a bunch of morons, but still, like, yeah, they were paying me good money for. And I was editing that stuff and like, I had. I was like, okay, man, I just. Wrong. This is ridiculous. Like, right wing Christian. Like, they were, like, supporting this, like, American preacher was like some really, like, weird out there that was not sitting well with me. But I needed the money, so I was still taking it. So I guess I'm some sort of epoch. Epoch. I'm a bit of a hypocrite with that, but whatever. That's how far I'd be willing to take it. Thankfully they, like, decided to call it a day.

[Max]

Yeah.

[Sean]

At some point. And I didn't. Like, I was not like, oh, you should stick around. And I was like, okay, cool.

[Max]

Thank you.

[Sean]

If we ever decide to, like, resume the podcast. And was like, yeah, sure. Like, yeah, send me an email. I'll see my schedule. I'll probably never do that again. But yeah, that's how far I would be willing to take it.

[Max]

That's.

[Sean]

It depends. I mean, it's not my job.

[Max]

You don't know where they're coming. They're not coming out of a place of, like, trying to hurt people.

[Sean]

Those guys. Those guys were fearing. On the hateful. It was. It was. No, I was. It was not sitting well with me. Is enough so that I reached out to, like, Some other people I work with or other editor to ask their advice. I was like, how would you feel about that? And send them like snippets and. And they were all agreeing with me that yeah, if you don't feel cool with it, you shouldn't do it. But at the same time, I needed the money.

[Max]

Yeah, man. What? Yeah, two hands, man.

[Sean]

If they were reaching, I don't know, a hundred thousand people per episode, I would have probably walked out of that and say, I don't want to be involved with that. Should or have anything attached to that. Exactly. But they were reaching maybe five people a week. It was a. To. It's a terrible podcast, but that's beyond the point. Again, I'm not, I'm not supposed to judge. It's the same thing when I record a band. Doesn't matter if I like the band or not. It's not my, it's not my job or my point. It's just like I'm there to capture and make it sound like, like they are. So. But yeah, yeah, that's good, man. I, I did, I did a lot of real estate podcasts. That was. Yeah, I would have rather went to the dentist sometimes.

[Max]

That's not.

[Sean]

I still do.

[Max]

I don't know, man.

[Sean]

I still do one. A real estate podcast. He's a guy about cult man, real estate.

[Max]

A little bit.

[Sean]

Those people are sharks, man. That's what I was finding out. They are sharks.

[Max]

I was reading about like someone said, like, man, it's like a multi level marketing because you're like, you're a realtor, your top realtor, you bring in a couple other realtors. Like you bring a couple of realtors.

[Sean]

Oh yeah, it's very popular. Medical. And not, not only that, but like.

[Max]

The fees are incredible.

[Sean]

Yeah. Oh, they make a lot of money. And those guys, like I was saying, they go to like the city registry and pull up lists of like people that have like payments problem with their property, their land or like divorces and. And they go prey on those people after that. Sharks. Oh yeah, I was. I hate realistic because one, I don't understand anything about it and I, and I'm like. And two, then I did like about 200 episodes with those guys. And after 200, it's mostly like a. They sell. It's like a real estate mastermind or something like that. So it's like those big players that come in and like shake their Rolexes and look how much money I made out of like foreclosure and like that. They prey on People not being able to pay their bills and, like, losing their houses. And shouldn't they, like, brag about it after pats in the back and all, man, oh, my God, this is happening.

[Max]

They're like, yeah, this place has a homeless problem.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Max]

You know, you might not want to live down here. You can try this house. In the meantime, they kicked them all over again.

[Sean]

You know, it was not really hateful. They were paying good, so I was fine with it. I mean, I'm kind of like, a bit of a hypocrite.

[Max]

I don't agree with it. Yeah, well, I get it. 100.

[Sean]

At first, I was working exclusively for women as well.

[Max]

Oh, yeah.

[Sean]

First three years, all my podcasters were all women. It was all, like, woman centric content.

[Max]

Oh, interesting business.

[Sean]

Like, business women, like, a lot of them were like, kind of like that boss. Yeah. So that was pretty funny. That's. Well, after a couple shows, sometimes I felt like I wanted to slap them too, because they're a bunch of hairheads. But again, that's beyond the point, and that's just my opinion. So, yeah, that's how I got started in there. Like, the woman woman business space.

[Max]

So, yeah, that's good.

[Sean]

And it was fun. It was fun. I felt, after a while, it kind of felt like I had, like, a cheat sheet or something about women because, like, they get into, like, their emotion and. And you can't understand, like, the flip side of the coin.

[Max]

And then, like, if you hear it twice from two different people.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Max]

You're like, okay, man, this seems like a pattern. Pretty soon you're, like, keeping stats.

[Sean]

And my ex wife in that space as well. Like the woman women wellness space. So at first, she was feeding me a lot of clients, sending them my way. So that's how I started. And then word of mouth and stuff.

[Max]

Oh, yeah.

[Sean]

Covid was absolutely good for business. Everybody was starting a podcast. That's when I was running 19 podcasts a week. Yeah, that was insane. I was working long hours, but I was. I don't want to say I was rolling in dough, because I was not.

[Max]

I was rolling in as much hot dogs as you wanted.

[Sean]

Exactly. I was able to buy myself a bass whenever I wanted. Or, like, I saw an amp. I was like, okay, I want that app. Or like, a pedal. 700 pedals. Yeah, sure, no problem. There you go. Now, I like to.

[Max]

Are you. Are you bringing them sound and Weimer? What do they do with sound and Weimer?

[Sean]

What do you mean?

[Max]

Like, for sound on your. On the stage, they have sound There.

[Sean]

They have a little bit of a PA There. But I'm. I might have to, like, talk with Kirk about bringing the added ones that we had at.

[Max]

Yeah, those big ones.

[Sean]

It's all. It's all Kirk stuff. So he paid for it. It's technically the adits, but he paid for it. And I don't think he repaid himself with, like, the bad money. So I have to go through the Captain.

[Max]

Yeah, you gotta go through the Captain.

[Sean]

The Captain. Captain Kirk sense. Who's recently turned into a father.

[Max]

Yeah, he's a father.

[Sean]

Yeah, he's a father now.

[Max]

Everything's gonna be just fine.

[Sean]

See his kid, though. I kind of feel. Feel bad about that.

[Max]

I haven't seen either.

[Sean]

I don't know. I, like, felt I fell sick, like, literally, I think a day or two after he was born. And I was like, I don't want to go see a little baby.

[Max]

And like, I remember when I had little babies, like, we. I didn't want anyone to come over.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Max]

Like, personally, like, except to, like, help and, like, I would. I'm not going to help because, man.

[Sean]

Yeah, exactly.

[Max]

I'm not really good with, like, he's got.

[Sean]

He's got his stepmom there, so he's. He's in good hands.

[Max]

No, he's in good hands.

[Sean]

He's in good hands.

[Max]

What do you do for fun then, around here, aside from music? Like, do you go on hikes and.

[Sean]

I do.

[Max]

What's the greatest. Here's the better question. What's the greatest thing to do other than music in the Western kootenies?

[Sean]

I don't know. I'd say for a while. Before I met Josie, my other pastime was getting laid.

[Max]

But yeah. Yeah, it was good. Was it, like. Yeah, fishing around here?

[Sean]

I was a town bike. I was a town bike.

[Max]

No.

[Sean]

Oh, yeah. No shame in that. After I went loose from, like, being married 12 years. Oh, you bet your ass.

[Max]

I was a town. I'm the town bike.

[Sean]

No.

[Max]

Town bike tours.

[Sean]

Absolutely no regret. Like, if any woman I've encountered or listening to that. I apologize if I treated you badly. I. I don't think you didn't mean to.

[Max]

Yeah. He was in a fog of remembrance.

[Sean]

Exactly. I was in the tropes of divorce.

[Max]

Yeah. And that's been there. I've been there, man. Anyway, nothing's real at that moment, at that time. Like, everything's like, after.

[Sean]

After being married for 12 years, I just wanted to see if I still have it. I still want to see if the good old blue eyes still like, worked, and apparently.

[Max]

Apparently it did.

[Sean]

So. Yeah, I don't do much. Yeah, exactly. I found that. That, like, I was kind of, like, exotic around here.

[Max]

Yeah, you're exotic.

[Sean]

To drop a couple of French words.

[Max]

Just walk around that base on your back. Exactly. I was.

[Sean]

I was not showing off my bass back then. I was still on the drums. I was still believing I was a drummer. That was before I met Andy and Taylor. Then I was like, okay, those guys are drummer. I think I can just leave my kit in the garage. Okay.

[Max]

You guys got it? Yeah.

[Troy]

Okay.

[Sean]

You guys got it? Oh, those guys are amazing, man. They're amazing. Taylor and Andy, they're. I'm blessed with amazing drummers in my bands right now. It's so great.

[Max]

Drummers are noticeable. Yeah, drummers are like, man, you're kind of a good drummer. You can tell.

[Sean]

Oh, you can tell. It makes or break a band. It makes or break a band. Yeah. I was a drummer for 15 years. Like, most of the bands I was in in Montreal, I was a drummer. I started this bass player then at, like, I think 25 ice. No, 23. I switched the drums. So I'm gonna be 42 this year. So I played roughly 19 years. Never really good, because I started too late. But I was good enough to be like, be in bands. And at some point I was even, like, kind of make. I wouldn't say making a living, but I was supplanting my income nicely the last year and a half in Montreal.

[Max]

Yeah, that's like the gigs instrument. Like, everyone. Hey, can you fill in? Is it?

[Sean]

Exactly. And that's what I was doing. Yeah, well, bass. I was not playing a whole lot when I switched to drums. That's when it really, like, I started getting a lot of, like, gigs, because drummers are not dime a dozen. So when you start playing drums, you're never gonna be out of a band. No, never. So guitar. Yeah, man. You might, like, jerk off by yourself in your room a lot because there's a lot of them around with drummers, man. Oh, boy.

[Max]

Yeah, you're good at that.

[Sean]

So, yeah, you'll be opening for Nickelback. Alberta's finest.

[Max]

Alberta's finest.

[Troy]

Alberta.

[Max]

Raised on the streets of Abbotsford.

[Sean]

So, yeah, I'm blessed. I'm blessed with, like, great drummers in my band. So it makes. It makes it really easy and. Yeah. All right. So now I just focus on bass. And to answer your question, I don't do much outside of playing music or. It's pretty much all I do. My dad and I play music and I work and I see my girlfriend. I don't have much time for anything else.

[Max]

I feel that too. I feel that too.

[Sean]

I'm in three bands. Although the Adits were not really a jam band because the drummer lives in Creston.

[Max]

But like.

[Sean]

And we know those songs inside out too. Like, the Adits is not complicated. The only thing is that it's really fast, so you have to be on it.

[Max]

Yeah.

[Sean]

But, yeah, it's really freaking with like, Severed Arm and Reality Trap. That's my other band with Trevor and Taylor as well. We're playing in. In March in Weimer. I'm gonna plug the show now.

[Max]

Yeah, March 18th. March 18th.

[Sean]

Yeah. The schoolhouse in Schoolhouse. Yeah.

[Max]

Yeah, March 18th.

[Sean]

So it's gonna be Weather Wash from Rosslyn, the Mellow Rose, which is Wristen Turner's band. I don't know if you know Wriston.

[Max]

No, I don't.

[Sean]

Wriston and some guys from up in Endeavor. They're really good too. And there's gonna be us. My new band, Reality Trap, it's gonna be our first show, and it's like a 90s worship band. Like, we unapologetically rip off the Smashing Pumpkins and like that. And then there's going to be the. The young kids. Well, not. They're not young kids. I don't want to sound like I'm that old man.

[Max]

There's the old guy.

[Sean]

The guys at, like, soccer, college and music. That bucket. Those guys are going to be playing, so that's going to be, I think, their first show as well. So. Yeah, man, music is pretty much all I do. I run a record label, so that also a little bit.

[Max]

That's divvy out your portions here. Yeah, you're. You're. You're strapped for time.

[Sean]

Oh, I am. I am. It's. That's crazy. Sometimes I feel like people have to take appointment and do with me.

[Max]

Yeah.

[Sean]

For a little while, it felt like my girlfriend would. Needed to like, take appointments to hang out with me. So that was like. We decided to move together instead, and then I was gonna cut the travel time. Not only that, she's awesome too, but not only that.

[Max]

Yeah, she.

[Sean]

She's the one. She's the one who's getting me to, like, do outside. Actually. She's very, like, active outside. So, like, if I ever see trails or go for hikes, it's probably prompted by Jose and her need of, like, outside activity. Because me, I'm not going to seek that out for myself. It's kind of dumb that I ended up in British Columbia when I'm not really an outside person, but whatever.

[Max]

Perfect.

[Sean]

I came here for the weed. That's why I came from.

[Max]

Get it? You get it on every corner, on every street from top to bottom.

[Sean]

Yeah, exactly.

[Max]

The West Cooties. Just breathe.

[Sean]

When it became legal king, it popped out like mushrooms around here. Like all the dispensaries and stuff.

[Max]

What the.

[Sean]

The dispensary? The weed dis. When it became legal. Legal because when I first moved move here, I couldn't find weed anywhere. I didn't know anybody either. So. Yeah, I had a hard time finding weed the first couple of months. I had to buy them from my awful landlord in Pass Creek. And that was like always a not fun experience.

[Max]

Yeah. Hey, drive, drive six kilometers down past the tree. There's gonna be. There's gonna be a guy with a gun on you the whole way. So.

[Sean]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Max]

To get weed was difficult not even that long ago.

[Sean]

I race. I race a lot online in my spare time. That's what I do at night. I just smoke a joint and hook up Assetto Corsa and just go online and I race against like people from Holland and South Africa and shit.

[Max]

Like what? Race what?

[Sean]

Yeah, racing, like with a steering wheel.

[Max]

No way.

[Sean]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I do that and go on servers and race online. I'm a big, big racing fan. Big racing fan. Doesn't work well with punk rock. It's kind of like opposites, but grew up in racing. I grew up like a stone throw away from the racetrack in Montreal, the Formula one racetrack. So, like, that's the sound of like summers for me starting in Montreal is the like screaming V12 of Formula Ones on the track. My dad's a mechanic. My sister and brothers are both mechanic as well. So like, yeah, mechanics run the family. I'm the only one who like went into music and anywhere else. Yeah, yeah.

[Max]

And you're racing.

[Sean]

Man, that's sweet. Yeah.

[Max]

Screen at home then.

[Sean]

Well, about this size. Maybe. Maybe a little bit better.

[Max]

And a pedal.

[Sean]

Yep. Yeah, I have a steering wheel with light pedal. I don't have the stick, but it's like paddles. Yeah.

[Max]

To shift.

[Sean]

And I race in Formula One and Assetto Corsa, which is like GT3 World Championship. It's pretty rad. And now nowadays it's the. The like the simulation almost look as real. Like the feedback on the steering and feels like driving a real car. Yeah, it's pretty great. And some people take that extremely seriously.

[Max]

Yeah.

[Sean]

Oh, my God. And some people spend like 12 hours on there. Like they can actually be like real race car drivers. Like they would not be out of place in a real race car. Probably. Is there like races around here?

[Troy]

I don't know.

[Max]

I looked it up a few times. I saw a motocross sign, but I.

[Sean]

Thought I saw like there's a guy in Bass Creek who has like a like NASCAR looking car or something like that. Like a dirt track dragster or something. I don't know where he races. I think it might be like a lot more Spokane. And I was thinking sounds like an area where there's gonna be some racing. I think Colville and something. Don't they sound like cars?

[Max]

I like seeing poles, races, bang ups. What are they called? Derbies. Demolition derbies. All those things. Loud noises, fireworks.

[Sean]

In Montreal again, I was. It was really cool for that. We had the monster truck come in at the Olympic stadium every couple years. That was great.

[Max]

And they're thinking of a race like a 200 meter walk.

[Sean]

Oh yeah.

[Max]

Hey, just people walking for 200 meters.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Max]

To raise money for people who can't walk.

[Sean]

Exactly. That'd be great.

[Max]

When you just walk, it's a rage walk. So you're screaming the whole time everything you hate.

[Sean]

The whole length of Columbia Avenue.

[Max]

Yeah. You're walking and just screaming your head, head off. Everything you hate about life.

[Sean]

Where do you come up with all those ideas? Like the Jelly Bee and the comedy show.

[Max]

It's almost like a curse.

[Sean]

And all those great videos you make with like the voiceover where you, where you play with your voice. I thought those were amazing and hilarious as well. Yeah, it was great. Like.

[Max]

No, that's just like the inner monologue of my head, man. It's just like, man, I should.

[Sean]

Those things put it out there. Have the same thing too.

[Max]

Yeah. Do you just keeps going.

[Sean]

Yeah, it just.

[Max]

Sometimes I'm like, man, I just wish I could sit here. That's why music is so good. Like I love listening to music. You know, I go to tons of shows and you see a show around here, there's a different energy. There we go, tons of shows. There's nothing else, you know for sure. There's nothing else I'd rather be doing if this moment.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Max]

When you go and see really good band.

[Sean]

But then again I also get like caught up in some and get lost in it. Like right now I'm mixing like Bitter Wash album and it's easy to get lost in there. Like last night I was sending like mixes to a couple of my friends. Like I don't know, I don't know anymore where I'm at. Like, just tell me, does this sound good? Like what? And everybody came back sort of with the same comment as what I was feeling too. So I was like, okay, maybe I just need like a couple days without listening to it. But apparently it's like it's not far off because yeah, at some point when you listen to this like 200 times, you don't know anymore. And I ended up like I recorded those guys. I think I have like 39 track of audios, like four mics for every guitar and eight mics for the drums and three mics for the bass. And that's a lot of to like sift through. Yeah, it's a lot of to sift through.

[Max]

So you're taking one track, you're taking each mic track, right Y and then.

[Sean]

You'Re just putting them together, like stacking them while they. When they record, they stack themselves sort of like that. But it's like recording eight inputs at a time. Then after that you can go around, get each piece of say like the drum kit. I'm just gonna get the bass drum with some bleed from everything else. But it's going to be mostly the bass realm, the snare, the same thing. Get the symbols and Sweet man. Usually like I think I can do it now. Yeah, I. I found. I thought that that was how records would be made, but that's how I made record my whole life. But apparently like a lot of people around here, or maybe it's just me who's not caught up with the. But a lot of bands want to record like off the floor as well now. Like just like in a jam room with all the bleed. And so this weekend I'm recording Toaster and I'm gonna be doing that with those guys. Yeah.

[Max]

So all the different mics.

[Sean]

Yeah, and it's all gonna bleed in. There's gonna be no separation. Like the bass gonna be picked up by the mic from the drums. Etc. It's gonna be a much noisier recording, but it's gonna get like a real live feel instead of like track by track like I did with Bitter Wash. Like both ways work. But I'm finding out a lot of bands around here would rather just do it live off the floor. Yeah. Because it can be really intimidating to like, especially when you're the drummer. You're starting, you're all by yourself. It's. You're basically sitting naked in front of all your buddy because you're playing your drum tracks. No one can Hear back any guitars. So it's like you hear every little. And a drum by itself, it picks up a lot of noise and like audio like garbage that you don't want in there. And then you hear it back and. And then it makes you like doubt your drumming and doubt your track and doubt your ideas and can be really like intense and heart wrenching. You're really on the spot. Like, it's an unforgiving mistress, the studio. Like, if your song's not there, you're gonna see it and it's gonna be like, painful.

[Max]

What's the song you got? Well, this one's called I Love Horses. All right. But we're gonna play it 1000 times, see if you still like it. Yeah, Horses, you know, like.

[Sean]

But bands like Toaster and Better Wash, those guys like played show like Toaster. It's like those guys are machine every, like every other week. So, like, I'm not worried one bit when they said that we want to do that off the floor, like, of course that makes sense. You guys are just going to breeze through that, like maybe three take each song and it's going to be perfect. Like, they played it. Honestly, I think they're the band that played the. The most show last year.

[Max]

I think they said a record game probably just everywhere from. Yeah, Fernie, Fernie, everywhere.

[Sean]

You gotta give it to like Sean, Randy and Jeff for that. Like, you book them. Yeah, yeah, I know Jeff does. You book them. They will show up no matter what.

[Max]

Make sure everything's fine. We went really with love.

[Sean]

Yeah. And then just vibes and vibes.

[Max]

Yeah.

[Sean]

Just kill you with those guys. Like, we went. We went to do like the Driftopia party at Pass Creek. Like the night that like a thousand centimeter of snow fell. And that's those guys. I have no problem. I would have been. Sorry, I'm not going out tonight. Your show, man. It's a snowstorm.

[Max]

No problem. Yeah.

[Sean]

Yeah, let's go. Sean got stuck in his car on the way out. He was rushing out because it was going to work to plow some snow. Still did the gig, still rocked it out. Walked out of there smiling, dude. Like the awesome Sean he is and just look went about his day and I was like, oh, that's how it's done. That's how it's done. Those guys are a real deal, man. I'm a. I'm. I'm. I'm a joke compared to that. I would have stayed home. I was like, sorry, Daniel, your Christmas party. I'm not coming. Coming out tonight. Have you looked outside?

[Max]

Yeah. They're the first band that were on this podcast, and they're the first guys I met. I said, hey, you want to be on this thing? I haven't.

[Sean]

There's no press.

[Max]

Yeah, sure. And my butt brought my buddy with me.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Max]

And I'm just like, wow, these are the coolest guys I ever met. And I thought everyone around would be like that. And then I went from toaster to, like, where are they? Where's everyone else, though?

[Sean]

Yeah, yeah. It's those pretentious. Yeah. Those guys. Yeah, it is. But, yeah. No, Sean. Sean is a beauty of a human. He's a Michaux. And I told him I grew up with, like, two of you over there in Quebec. I know you, Michelle, man. I know you're the real deal. It's like those two brothers I knew back in Quebec, they were crazy, too, and I love them, so. I love you, man.

[Max]

You win. You have the right name.

[Sean]

Yeah. Jeff is the one. I know the last because he's, like. He's from Grand Fort, but I'm gonna hang out with him this weekend, and I'm really looking forward to, like, recording him. It's gonna be great.

[Max]

It's gonna be great.

[Sean]

Yeah, it's gonna be great. The only bummer is that by accident, we booked our show March 18, the same night as their show in Nelson. So, yeah, that was kind of a. Oh, yeah, yeah. That was totally accidental, but that's.

[Max]

Where are they playing?

[Sean]

They're playing at the Royal.

[Max]

Oh, yeah.

[Sean]

I think they're putting on, like, the show themselves, and they brought some of those bands from, I think, Fernie and Cranbrooks that they want to play with. So, yeah, it's kind of. It was a bit of a bummer. I think it's going to be fine, regardless. That's the sign of, like, a healthy scene, but it was accidental. And I kind of feel bad because Sean is always there for everybody. Like he. Like you were saying, they will show up. Yeah.

[Max]

Yeah. So maybe it'll be a bow. There's two different crowds, isn't it?

[Sean]

Yeah, it is. It is, but still ages.

[Max]

And then it's the other crowd. There's a different pull, but it is a lot of the same people showing up to show us, too. There's a lot of support. Yeah, we'll see. I think it'll be fine, man.

[Sean]

It's gonna be great. Unfortunate accident that we happened to book a show the same day, and then we happen, like, to announce it. The same freaking Day as well. So, like, holy.

[Max]

You know, I started. My wife and I started a thing called livecootenies.com, which we haven't kept up in, like, six months. We only did it for, like, three months. So much work. But, man, that wouldn't have been a problem. Yeah, Check the site.

[Sean]

That's what. That's what Sean was saying. We need to do, like, a calendar of, like, bad show so it doesn't happen again.

[Max]

Yeah.

[Sean]

Should we call it a day?

[Max]

That's a nice interview. Yeah, that was an interview. It's called a chat.

[Sean]

That's what real podcast should be.

[Max]

Right? We're gonna gatekeep you.

[Sean]

Exactly.

[Max]

Hey, let's get you guys trying to sell me something. We're trying to sell you nothing.

[Sean]

Well, I'm gonna try to sell my business. If you're a podcast, bring me your show and I'll listen to it. I'll think it's. And I'll edit it for you and.

[Max]

Send it back and you'll say, hey, it's a great podcast.

[Sean]

That'll be a thousand dollars.

[Max]

That'll be a thousand dollars. If you do have a podcast. Yeah, do it. Absolutely. I don't know if this will be the last one. You know what I've decided while we were talking, I'm like, man, I'd sit and watch something in the shed, chat like this. So someone's gonna come to the shed. That'd be fun. Yeah, but I can't drive anywhere.

[Sean]

Yeah, make them come here. You have a nice setup here. Make come here.

[Max]

I've got a blanket.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Max]

I got a pillow if you get, like, head needs to rest on something.

[Sean]

No, it's nice couches.

[Max]

You got Mark Messier on the wall.

[Sean]

Mark Macy. You got Chuck Norris over there.

[Max]

Chuck Norris.

[Sean]

Yeah. Mark Macy. Makes me want to eat some.

[Max]

This guy is called the gay philosopher. Why worry?

[Sean]

He sure looks happy.

[Max]

Yeah. So apparently this guy doesn't worry about anything.

[Sean]

No, it doesn't look like he's worrying about anything. Look at that. Smart.

[Max]

It was a marketing campaign.

[Sean]

No, it's.

[Max]

I'm glad you came. On your first ever podcast, which might be the last ever of this one.

[Sean]

Yeah, it might be the only time I'll do that, but I'm glad I.

[Max]

Oh, it's still good. You can go and see Max March 18th at the schoolhouse in Weimer, along with other bands he's Slapping the Bass, Severed Arm, Bitter Washed, Mellow, rose bucket. Also, March 18th is a. You can go see Toaster and Chungus at the Royal. So that's like an over 19 show. If you don't want to, you know, if you want an all ages show. Weimer, something like that. Thank you for joining me on the episode, Max. It's amazing. I'm not gonna say this is the last one because it, you know, I love talking to cool people. So if anyone has time to stop by the shed, by all means, more than elated, more than Elaine did. To have you email wkndhawkmail.com and then we can do it. Oh yeah, if you have time. If you have time. Actually, you know, it be cool if you could rate this podcast.

[Sean]

You.

[Max]

It doesn't really matter. Take some time out of your day to rate this podcast. One, one. Between one to five out of five. It's up to you, man or lady. You know, go a long way for something. Also People's Commercial Radio. I'll leave you with a. Put this one that's coming up on there, People's Commercial Radio. And if you want to listen to that, have a wonderful, wonderful, wonderful, wonderful time. Until next time, keep ripped and have guns.

[Troy]

Hi, I'm Troy and I'm excited to announce that my gumball initiative to liven up the West Kootenays has passed through city hall. If you chew gum, this is your day. No more leaving it under desks, bust seats, ash trays, garbage or the river. Leave your flavorless wad on the gumball downtown. It's currently 1 foot in diameter and mostly my own gum. But have no doubts, it will be the biggest gumball in the world. Then who won't be coming to the West Coutneys? Nobody. Because everyone will be here at the gumball made of our gum community gum. Oh, here's my dad who's come down to see.

[Dad]

Well, you did it, son. Your dream is coming true.

[Troy]

Yes, it is, dad.

[Max]

Do you have any plans for the gumball at night, Troy?

[Troy]

I don't know what you mean, dad.

[Max]

I'm just asking if you have any plans yourself for that gumball at night.

[Troy]

Dad. I think that's your ride right there, folks.

[Dad]

He's going to stick his dick in the gumball.

[Max]

Uh, how old are you? 13.

[Troy]

Get out of here, dad. Get out of here, dad, you have.

[Max]

That huge gumball everywhere with you. This is stupid. Shut up. Shut up, dad. Shut up, dad.

[Troy]

This is the West Kootenays new tourist hotspot. Bring your gum here, spit it right into my hand. And if you're willing, I'd gladly smell the inside of your mouth. After for a paper, I'm writing for City Hall. I'm Troy.

[Dad]

Psychiatrists Review. I'm psychiatrist Helen. It may seem to some that our friend Troy here is a villain from wanting to stick his dick in a gumball made of other people's gum. In fact, I would argue that sticking his dick in the gumball where it may not have been noticed if it wasn't for his dad, isn't as unhealthy as, say, sticking his dick in a sheep which has feelings or committing any non consensual sexual act with another living being. The question you may want to ask yourself today is should I be giving my tax dollars to someone who just wants to fuck my gum?