Full Episode: Sunday, July 26, 2026

Summary

Podcast Summary: This Week with George Stephanopoulos

ABC News | Sunday, July 26, 2026 (Aired July 27, 2026)
Main Hosts: Martha Raddatz, Jay O’Brien, Jonathan Karl
Special Segments from: Jordan, Red Sea, Maine

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Episode Overview

This special edition of “This Week” with Martha Raddatz reporting live from Amman, Jordan, centers on several urgent headlines:

• The sixth month of the Iran War, with mounting U.S. casualties and widespread uncertainty about the strategy and endgame.
• Political fallout at home, including faltering public support for the war and key Senate races, with a spotlight on Maine’s pivotal contest.
• The war’s global economic ripple effects, especially as new conflict threatens world oil supply routes.
• Intimate tributes to fallen U.S. soldiers and interviews with their families.

The episode features live reporting, on-the-ground perspectives, and interviews with leading lawmakers and analysts to provide context around U.S. strategy, the implications for the upcoming midterms, diplomatic efforts, and the personal cost of war.

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Key Segments & Discussion Points

1. War in Iran: Escalation, Stalemate, and Strategy Crisis

(00:30–13:49)

• Reporting from Jordan: Martha Raddatz paints the immediate scene following deadly drone and missile attacks on U.S. forces.
• President Trump considered, then reportedly reconsidered, a “massive escalation.”
• The U.S. is requesting $67 billion in supplemental war funding amid rising casualties (18 Americans killed to date) and unclear military objectives.
• The administration’s claims of Iranian “obliteration” clash with on-the-ground realities: repeated attacks and closed strategic waterways.

Quote [02:19] – Martha Raddatz:
“It’s easy to forget looking at official military photos that these service members were daughters and sons, fathers, mothers… And while the president offered kind words and comfort to the families, at the same time, he appeared to downplay the death toll on social media, comparing the number to other wars.”

• The perpetual threat of escalation has rattled both allies and the economy, with oil prices spiking.
• Jordan’s complex position is highlighted, relying on U.S. aid while suffering the war’s crossfire.

Notable Stats:

• $37 billion spent so far on the war.
• Approval for Trump’s war handling at just 29% (Washington Post/Ipsos poll).

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2. Administration on Defense: Interviews with Key Policymakers

(13:52–25:39)

Senator Chris Van Hollen (D-MD) Interview

(13:52–18:55)

• Blasts the war as “senseless.” Laments no clear U.S. objective and criticizes the “bait and switch” on the Saudi deal.
• Calls out depleted U.S. missile defenses and warns against “digging deeper” into conflict.

Quote [13:26] – Sen. Van Hollen:
“We should never have gotten into this senseless war and we should end it now. I’m glad they’re not going to unload again with a big military strike that would just drag us more deeply into this conflict.”

• Asserts Iran’s nuclear program has been crippled for the foreseeable future, referencing Secretary Hegseth’s earlier declarations.

Congressman Mike Turner (R-OH) Interview

(19:04–25:39)

• Defends the administration’s goals: preventing Iranian nuclear capability.
• Admits bipartisan frustration with the war’s execution and calls for increased economic pressure and allied engagement.
• Highlights the failed memorandum of understanding with Iran as a missed diplomatic opportunity but says America can’t act alone.

Quote [22:31] – Rep. Mike Turner:
“Iran cannot be permitted to have a nuclear weapon. And that’s incredibly important not only for the United States, for allies, for the region and for the world.”

Broader Discussion

• Both interviews underscore a lack of clarity about endgame strategy and widespread dissatisfaction both on Capitol Hill and among U.S. voters.
• The need for allied involvement and viable diplomatic channels is a recurring theme.

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3. Global Economic & Geopolitical Impact

(10:34–12:51)

Matt Rivers from the Red Sea

• Reports on the Houthis’ (Iran-backed Yemeni rebels) new attacks on Saudi oil tankers in the Bab el-Mandeb Strait, threatening another chokepoint for global shipping.
• Over 10% of global shipping passes through this waterway.

Quote [12:13] – Matt Rivers:
“If both of those straits remain closed for an extended period of time, it would send shock waves through the global economy... if you’re talking specifically about oil prices, ... experts say you could be looking at oil prices roughly $150 per barrel or more.”

• Heightened oil prices and trade disruptions further entangle U.S. foreign policy with domestic economic fears.

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4. Domestic Politics: Senate Races & Party Turmoil

(26:53–33:40)

Focus on Maine’s Senate Race

(26:53–32:26)

• Troy Jackson, former state Senate president and labor figure, emerges as Democrats’ new Senate candidate after Graham Platner’s withdrawal over sexual assault allegations.
• The outcome in Maine is “close to a must-win” for Democratic Senate control, but the party faces a messaging and organizational challenge.

Quote [27:14] – Troy Jackson:
“Maine does not need another six years of concern. We need someone with courage, we need a fighter and we need a senator who remembers exactly who sent them to Washington, which is you.”

• Discussion of Democratic prospects in other key states: Michigan, North Carolina, Ohio, Iowa, Alaska.
• Both parties are facing internal strife, with progressives challenging mainstream Democrats and Trump-backed Republicans unseating incumbents.

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5. Roundtable: War Fallout, Political Consequences, and the Saudi Deal

(33:40–44:15)

Participants:

• Mary Bruce (Chief White House Correspondent)
• Donna Brazile (former DNC chair)
• Chris Christie (former New Jersey Governor)

Key Insights:

• No coherent U.S. war strategy is in sight; reliance on threats is losing credibility with adversaries and voters alike.
• The administration’s shifting demands and unclear conditions on the Saudi civilian nuclear deal “astound” observers.
• Public and congressional opposition to continued war spending and casualties is intense—independent voters signal deep discontent.
• Senate races could be upended by economic woes and war fatigue; Susan Collins’ seat in Maine remains perilous but hard to flip.

Quote [35:45] – Chris Christie:
“Look, there are no signs he’s winning in Iran. And the Iranians have learned... that the bluster is the bluster... That doesn’t work in international diplomacy, and it certainly doesn’t work with the Iranians.”

• New Jersey’s accidental voter registration of non-citizens becomes national fodder for Trump’s voter fraud narrative.

Quote [43:11] – Mary Bruce:
“Certainly the president believes this adds fuel to his fire as he’s been amping up those unproven claims of widespread voter fraud.”

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6. Honoring the Fallen: The Human Toll

(45:30–49:08)

• Tribute to the four U.S. service members killed this week, with poignant reflections from families.
• Moving details: Staff Sergeant Angel Rampersad and her wife Isabella Gonzalez, both killed; Captain Tyler Feehan, remembered for his leadership and compassion.

Quote [46:41] – Carol Acevedo (mother of Angel Rampersad):
“My daughter was a good, good soldier. She fought for this country and she died for this country. And I am a mother highly proud of her.”

• Reminders that behind nightly statistics lie human stories of loss, love, and sacrifice.

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Notable Quotes by Timestamp

• [02:19] Martha Raddatz: “It’s easy to forget looking at official military photos that these service members were daughters and sons, fathers, mothers…”
• [13:26] Sen. Chris Van Hollen: “There’s never been a clear strategy. We should never have gotten into this senseless war and we should end it now.”
• [22:31] Rep. Mike Turner: “Iran cannot be permitted to have a nuclear weapon. And that’s incredibly important… for the world.”
• [12:13] Matt Rivers: “…Experts say… oil prices roughly $150 per barrel or more. And obviously that would be devastating for the U.S. economy.”
• [27:14] Troy Jackson: “Maine does not need another six years of concern. We need someone with courage, we need a fighter…”
• [35:45] Chris Christie: “...that doesn’t work in international diplomacy, and it certainly doesn’t work with the Iranians.”
• [46:41] Carol Acevedo: “She fought for this country and she died for this country. And I am a mother highly proud of her.”

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Summary Table of Major Timestamps

| Segment / Topic | Timestamp | |---|---| | Opening and scene set from Jordan | 00:30–02:19 | | American casualties, war escalation | 02:19–06:30 | | U.S. political fallout, cost, and polling | 06:30–10:34 | | Red Sea chokepoint, global implications | 10:34–12:51 | | Senator Van Hollen interview | 13:52–18:55 | | Congressman Turner interview | 19:04–25:39 | | Maine Senate race & campaign struggles | 26:53–32:26 | | Roundtable: war, politics, economy | 33:40–44:15 | | Honoring the fallen, personal stories | 45:30–49:08 |

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Tone & Atmosphere

• Serious, reverent, with moments of sharp debate and pointed criticism.
• Emphasizes the gravity of ongoing U.S. military involvement, the unpredictability of global affairs, and the intensity of domestic partisanship.
• Personal, often solemn, especially in remembrance segments.

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For Listeners Who Missed the Episode

This episode provides a sweeping, on-the-ground view of the Iran War’s human cost and political crosscurrents. Key takeaways:

• The war has reached a grim milestone, with rising American casualties and economic risks.
• Both the administration and Congress suffer criticism for a perceived lack of strategy and for miscommunications about objectives and costs.
• The ramifications for November’s midterm elections are immense—especially as war fatigue, economic pain, and political upheaval in key Senate races dominate headlines.
• Above all, stories of individual sacrifice serve as a powerful reminder of the stakes and real-world impacts behind the week’s news.

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End of Summary

Transcript

[Narrator]

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[Martha Raddatz]

As the war in Iran enters its sixth month, President Trump weighed a major escalation. But that may be off the table for now. This morning we're on the ground in Jordan. A special edition of THIS WEEK starts right now.

[Narrator/Reporter]

After weeks of renewed fighting and the deaths of American soldiers, President Trump hurling threats of a massive strike.

[Commentator/Analyst]

We're locked and loaded and ready to

[Martha Raddatz]

go, but we're talking to them.

[Narrator/Reporter]

But this morning reports that plan was deemed too risky.

[Martha Raddatz]

And new choke point attacks in the

[Narrator/Reporter]

Red Sea block, a critical waterway.

[Matt Rivers]

More than 10% of all global shipping goes through that strait each year, all.

[Narrator/Reporter]

As the administration asks Congress for billions more to fight the war, we look

[Pete Hegseth]

at the cost of a nuclear Iran. And we want to prevent that for future generations. And that requires funding.

[Senator Chris Van Hollen]

This morning, I think the American people to deserve a definition of what it means to win.

[Narrator/Reporter]

We speak to Senator Chris Van Hollen about what this mounting cost means for Americans. And we ask Republican Congressman Mike Turner if he'll fund the war.

[Martha Raddatz]

The battle for Maine.

[Commentator/Analyst]

She's a rubber stamp for Trump voting 96% of the time with him.

[Narrator/Reporter]

He's a Bernie bro. After Graham Platner's sudden exit, Maine Democrats have a new nominee and solemn ceremony. We remember the service members who lost their lives in the most recent Iranian attacks.

[Martha Raddatz]

My daughter was a good soldier. From ABC News, a special edition of this week.

[Narrator/Reporter]

Reporting live from Jordan, Martha Raddatz.

[Martha Raddatz]

Good morning from Amman, Jordan. We have been here since first getting word that three young American soldiers were killed in an Iranian drone and missile strike more than a week ago. A fourth soldier lost his life in Iraq. The three killed here and many more injured were attacked during the night. We don't know the exact circumstances. We do know that prefabricated housing units where our service members sleep were targeted and destroyed in the Iranian strike. President Trump was there when the remains of the fallen were brought back to the U.S. their deaths bring the number of service members killed in this war to 18. It's easy to forget looking at official military photos that these service members were daughters and sons, fathers, mothers, husbands, wives, brothers and sisters, and While the president offered kind words and comfort to the families, at the same time, he appeared to downplay the death toll on social media, comparing the number to other wars. The president, who campaigned as the candidate who would get us out of wars, also defensive about the fact that this war, his war, is soon entering its sixth month after he predicted it would be over in a matter of weeks. Another chart he posted on social media, comparing this war with the lengthy conflicts in Iraq and Afghanistan. Indeed, so far, it has been far shorter. But those lengthy wars began much like this one, with promises of a swift result, a cakewalk in the case of Iraq. We all remember that it is easy to be numb to all of this with the nightly exchange of missiles with Iran, but we shouldn't be. This is one of the most consequential weeks of this conflict. Oil prices spiking once again. The Red Sea now compromised. And this morning, after threatening a new massive strike and then reportedly taking that off the table for now, the strategy to end this war is still unclear. Even after those deadly attacks on Americans,

[Narrator/Reporter]

this was the moment of impact. Fiery explosions from deadly Iranian missiles and drones at the US Base here in Jordan. The attacks soon spreading to American bases across the region, prompting President Trump to consider a massive escalation.

[Commentator/Analyst]

We're locked and loaded and ready to go.

[Narrator/Reporter]

The Pentagon had rushed more war fighters and warplanes to the Middle East F16s and the stealthy F35. But the new York Times reporting this morning, Trump fears a major escalation could widen the war and drain the already diminished stockpiles of defensive weapons like the Patriot missile batteries. So the question is, does the near daily exchange of fire simply drag on Iran, vowing that for every Iranian citizen killed in US Attacks, an American service member will be killed?

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[Narrator/Reporter]

On Capitol Hill. Secretary Pete Hegseth on the defense. As the human toll of this war and the monetary costs grow larger, the US has already spent more than $37 billion and is now asking for a 67 billion DOL.

[Congressman Mike Turner]

Supplemental, you're asking the American people for a blank check.

[Martha Raddatz]

Because once again, the Trump administration's efforts have been an utter and complete failure

[Congressman Mike Turner]

to win this war to this point.

[Pete Hegseth]

I think your characterization of this incredible effort as a failure is reckless, and I think it's irresponsible. And I think it smears the sacrifice of the troops that are out there making, on behalf of the American people to ensure that Iran never gets a nuclear weapon. Shame on you and others who call this a quagmire and a failure.

[Congressman Mike Turner]

I use the word failure to their

[Martha Raddatz]

leaders, and you, sir, are the failure, not the men and women who are on that front line.

[Narrator/Reporter]

But this war is increasingly unpopular with the American people. According to a recent Washington Post Ipsos poll, only 29% approve of Trump's handling of the war, while 69% disapprove a war that the administration said would be over in a matter of weeks. And boasting that the military and nuclear capabilities of Iran have had been obliterated.

[Interviewer/Reporter]

In the second week of the conflict, you stated that Iran's military had been, quote, destroyed and, quote, made combat ineffective. Was that an accurate statement? Yes or no?

[Pete Hegseth]

Iran's ability to challenge the United States of America at the level at which we're capable of.

[Interviewer/Reporter]

That's not what I asked you, Mr. Secretary. You said on day 14, Iran's military had been, quote, destroyed and, quote, made combat ineffective. Yes or no, was that an accurate statement?

[Pete Hegseth]

What the American military has said to the Iranian military is a historic military. Will you answer the question in that context?

[Interviewer/Reporter]

You said Iran's military had been rendered, quote, combat ineffective for years to come. And you stated we had, quote, achieved every single objective. Were those accurate statements?

[Pete Hegseth]

It certainly was, on behalf of the men and women in uniform, a historic military victory over Iran.

[Narrator/Reporter]

But there is no question Iran still maintained some capability. Air raid sirens blaring here in Amman this week. This war hitting home for Americans visiting the region. Pediatrician Natasha Halasa comes to Jordan regularly from Nashville for work and to visit family.

[Martha Raddatz]

This was the first week that I was here when I heard sirens. Actually, the first time it went off, I didn't really even know that they were silent sirens meant for missiles. Here in Jordan, as well as the other Gulf countries, the attacks in the last week or so were shocking. It's happened before, of course, but these were relentless and deadly. And for Jordan especially, it was not only shocking, it's complicated.

[Narrator/Reporter]

Jordan relies heavily on the US for economic and military aid, as it does not generate the revenue from oil that other Gulf states do.

[Commentator/Analyst]

I think the American administration as well needs to engage the world when it comes to something like this. We cannot just start a war and then expect that things will change. Yes, you might have power, but, you know, power is not always the solution.

[Narrator/Reporter]

But there is no sign that this war is headed for an end and fears the death toll could rise.

[Pete Hegseth]

Iranian tactics, they're constantly updating their tactics and procedures. They see what we are doing with our defensive capabilities and they adjust.

[Narrator/Reporter]

Lieutenant General Dan Karbler commanded the Army's space and missile defense until 2024.

[Pete Hegseth]

And then combining those drone attacks with ballistic missile attacks definitely challenges our defenses. Not just from a technology standpoint, but just from a capacity standpoint too.

[Narrator/Reporter]

The total number of U.S. service members killed since the war began nearly five months ago is 18. But this week on the Pentagon's public database the the number was lowered from 18 to 14. The President acknowledging there were 18, but inexplicably referring to the toll coming from two wars.

[Pete Hegseth]

Four great American patriots killed, that's 18

[Martha Raddatz]

in two wars and one is too many.

[Pete Hegseth]

But it's 18.

[Narrator/Reporter]

Why would he say two wars? Republican Congressman Thomas Massie said on X. Let me explain this absurd ruse. The Pentagon is pretending there have been two Iran war separated by a brief ceasefire. The reality by going more than 90 days without congressional authorization at Secretary of War is breaking the law and must be held accountable. The Pentagon claims the disparity was simply a data glitch.

[Martha Raddatz]

And there was another major development in the war this week. A new front in the war breaking open, shaking the global economy even further. Further with the Iranian backed Houthis targeting another crucial waterway in the region. Matt Rivers has the details from the Red Sea.

[Matt Rivers]

The Bab El Mandeb Strait is an essential waterway for global shipping operations. But the narrow passage off the coast of Yemen at the southern tip of the Red Sea has become even more vital since the war in Iran began, serving as an alternative shipping route to the shuttered Strait of Hormuz, including for Saudi Arabian oil exports. But the Bab El Mandeb Strait dragged into the conflict this week as the Houthis, the Iranian backed rebel group in Yemen attacked several Saudi oil tankers in the Red Sea, strangling another vital waterway. More than 10% of all global shipping goes through that strait each year. And now faced with new threats, ships like that one there, here in the Red Sea might get stuck yet again as the global economy could take another hit. These concerns and the re entry of the Houthis into the conflict, leading the price of oil to shoot back up towards numbers not seen since the beginning of June. President Donald Trump warning the Houthis and Iran after Wednesday night's attacks in a social media post, saying if they do this again, the US will hold Iran responsible. But on Saturday, the Houthis claiming they had struck two Saudi oil facilities while threatening to escalate further.

[Martha Raddatz]

And Matt Rivers is just back from the Red Sea and joins me now here in Amman, Jordan. And Matt, all attention has been on the Strait of Hormuz. Now with the Red Sea there, that could cause real chaos in shipping and in the economy, no question.

[Matt Rivers]

I mean, we've been talking a lot about the Strait of Hormuz and rightly so. But if you add in this potential disruption right there at the tip of the Red Sea, I think you're talking about a worst case scenario for shipping in this part of the world. If both of those straits remain closed for an extended period of time, it would send shock waves through the global economy. And not just talking about shipping over, but if you're talking specifically about oil prices, the experts that we're talking to, Martha, say that if both of those straits remain closed, you could be looking at oil prices roughly $150 per barrel or more. And obviously that would be devastating for

[Martha Raddatz]

the US Economy, absolutely devastating and something all Americans are paying attention to. Thanks, Matt.

[Pete Hegseth]

You got it.

[Martha Raddatz]

And to talk about all these developments, I'm joined now by Senator Chris Van Hollen, a member of both the Foreign Relations and Appropriations Committee. Senator Van Hollen, one of the senators grilling Pete Hegseth this week. Senator, thanks for joining us. The president had considered massive strikes on Iran even though they previously declared victory. Now the New York Times reporting he is backing off of that for now. Do you see a clear strategy here,

[Senator Chris Van Hollen]

Martha? I don't see a clear strategy and there's never been a clear strategy. We should never have gotten into this senseless war and we should end it now. I'm glad that they're not going to unload again with a big military strike that would just drag us more deeply into this conflict, a conflict that we should be getting out of, not getting deeper into.

[Martha Raddatz]

And Senator, the Times reported that he's holding off because advisors said munitions are depleting and they feared a wider war. What do you know about those munitions?

[Senator Chris Van Hollen]

Well, that's exactly right. We have depleted our interceptors, which are the weapons we use to intercept incoming Iranian attacks, which are obviously necessary to protect American troops. And so we are depleting these every day despite the fact that we could face other potential conflicts around the world. You know, as you said in the lead in Martha, Donald Trump said we won this war, we won. Those were his words back in March. And so the question is now we're in July, why are Americans still Getting killed. Why is the Strait of Hormuz still closed? Why are oil and gas prices going back through the roof again?

[Narrator/Reporter]

Well, you have said there's no good

[Martha Raddatz]

way to get out of. Of a bad war. So how do you think you end this? You have the Iranians who haven't kept their word. What do you do?

[Senator Chris Van Hollen]

Well, when you're digging a hole, you just stop digging. And my view is that's what we should do. There was no clear objective from this for this war from the beginning. This was a war started by President Trump and Prime Minister Netanyahu. Prime Minister Netanyahu convinced Donald Trump that it would be quick and that we would get regime change. And what we've gotten instead is an even more militant Iranian regime. And the Strait of Hormuz, of course, is still closed now when it was opened the day before the war. So my view is just end it right now, and I will not vote for one more penny for this senseless war.

[Martha Raddatz]

So you just walk away from that war. What would the Iranians take away from that? What would happen to them and their ambitions at this point?

[Senator Chris Van Hollen]

Well, Martha, I think the Strait of Hormuz would then reopen. I mean, that would. There's no question that Iran would go back to the status quo ante before the war started. I believe that that would show just how senseless this war is. But again, Donald Trump declared victory back in March. And so my view is ended. We had Pete Hexseth before the Appropriations Committee. Clearly, no strategy. And when you have no strategy, it's completely unfair to American troops to continue to put them in harm's way.

[Martha Raddatz]

Do you think, let's say what the objective is of Donald Trump to keep them from getting a nuclear weapon. Without going into the history of what we had before, do you think that right now and for years to come, the Iranians will be unable to build a nuclear weapon?

[Senator Chris Van Hollen]

I do, Martha, and I won't go through that past history, but I'll go to recent history, which is when Pete Hexseth told the country just last year that we had, quote, obliterated Iran's ability to create nuclear weapons. That's a direct quote from the Secretary of Defense. So for them to continue to say that's the reason they're prolonging the war, again, just shows that they don't know what they're doing, given their past statements.

[Martha Raddatz]

And let's talk about this Saudi deal from this week. They announced this deal with the state Saudis, that there could be nuclear development, civil nuclear development, and then President Trump, even after it was signed, said, wait a minute, the Saudis first have to normalize relations with Israel. So what happened there and what do you think of that going forward,

[Senator Chris Van Hollen]

Martha? It's complete whiplash for the Saudis. I mean, it just shows you cannot rely on the United States. You certainly can't count on the Trump administration they had signed. From my perspective, the big questions about the deal were the safeguards to prevent nuclear proliferation. I've always supported what we call the gold standard to make sure that Saudi Arabia or any other country we do a deal with cannot use that deal to obtain nuclear weapons. But the Trump administration, after getting the Saudis to sign it, turned around and said, well, we're not going to follow through unless you normalize relations with Israel, unless you join the Abraham Accords. And as you well know, the Saudis have been very clear that they will normalize relations with Israel when we're on a clear and clear path toward developing a Palestinian state, living side by side security for both Palestinians and Israelis. That has been the Saudi position. And so what the Trump administration did was a bait and switch scheme.

[Martha Raddatz]

Okay, thanks for joining us this morning. We always appreciate your time, Senator.

[Senator Chris Van Hollen]

Thank you, Martha.

[Martha Raddatz]

So now let's bring in Republican Congressman Mike Turner, a top member of the House Armed Services Committee. Good to see you this morning. Congressman. The president has reportedly backed off a major escalation. Do you think that's a good idea? Idea?

[Congressman Mike Turner]

Well, Martha, I, you know, I don't really consider the New York Times an excellent source on national security policy at the White House. But I think what's, what's very important here is that the, the White House is approaching this in a very methodical view. You know, in this instance, you know, Iran is certainly not dependable. They do, you know, they are the adversary here. They do have a vote in how this progresses. They're certainly not dependable as they go as these negotiations have progressed, as there's been an attempt to open the Straits of Hormuz. But overarching, the most important aspect here has been the goal of this conflict. And that is certainly one of the things that was subscribed in the declaration in the NATO summit that was a win in this administration and where all of the NATO allies agreed with the administration. And that is that Iran cannot be permitted to have a nuclear weapon. And that has been the overarching theme here. And that has been certainly the core of, of this conflict.

[Martha Raddatz]

But, Congressman, the President, Pete Hegseth had said they were obliterated, decimated so why are we still after it?

[Congressman Mike Turner]

Well, what actually they said, and I'm certainly not going to defend the administration's statements throughout this, you'll have to talk to the administration about that. But actually what they had said was that the actions that they had taken at their nuclear enrichment sites had been obliterated, certainly not their aspirations for nuclear weapons or the nuclear weapons program. But, but what was really important, and I greatly appreciate, Martha, that you pushed Senator Van Hollen on this because you had asked him. So if you had, you know, if you'd not done this at all, if you just abandoned this effort, as he suggested, you know, so you could get the Straits of Hormuz open, then what would you go back to? And he said, well, you go back to the status quo, which was basically, you know, prior, which is where the International Atomic Energy Agency said that they were weeks away of having enough nuclear material to have a nuclear weapon. And that's a foolish trade. No one, the foolish trade is to say, well, we'll have the Straits open, we'll have lower gas prices, but we'll have a nuclear Iran. That is not where the world wants to be. The NATO summit validated certainly what the White House has been saying. This is certainly an important stake in the ground, and it certainly is an inevitable conflict. That's where the Obama administration left this by saying, well, we're just going to watch Iran until they get to Congress close, and then we have found ourselves here where action had to be taken.

[Martha Raddatz]

Congressman, we have lost 18Americans since this began. Americans are not fond of this war.

[Congressman Mike Turner]

No one is fond.

[Martha Raddatz]

It is devastating Americans. Americans disapprove of the way President Trump is handling this. By large majority, only 29% approve of the way he's handling this. What do you say to your constituents and when you say the world really cares about this, when we are losing, Americans lost four here in the last week or so. What do you say to them about why this is so important to continue when there's no clear strategy?

[Congressman Mike Turner]

Well, Martha, these really, really are two different questions here. I mean, when you, you opened this, you asked me the question of, you know, why is this going conflict undertaken? That really is the issue, as the White House articulated and the NATO summit confirmed. And that is Iran cannot be permitted to have a nuclear weapon. And that's incredibly important not only for the United States, for allies, for the region and for the world. And certainly, you know, Iran articulated that, that, you know, their intention to, to, to seek a nuclear weapon. And they certainly were, as they had these underground facilities continuing their nuclear enrichment headed toward that, that path. Then there's certainly an issue where there's bipartisan frustration on Capitol Hill. You're seeing it, you know, Republicans, Democrats that are showing their frustration with how this war is being, this conflict is being prosecuted, the statements that are being made by the White House at the Pentagon, and certainly I don't think anybody is going to defend those particular statements or those particular decisions. But you have to also see this in the context that Iran has a vote here. They're the adversary. They're not a party in which you can depend on their word. They cannot be negotiated with and then be relied upon. And in that, it's very difficult. You don't have an adversary where there's a, when you have a memorandum of understanding it that they're going to live up to their word. So is this, as you have, an attempt to open the straits, as you have to understand that they're the largest sponsor of terrorism and this is becoming brought to an end? That certainly is a difficult process.

[Martha Raddatz]

Congressman, you praised that memorandum of understanding as a major turning point in the war. As you just mentioned, that fell apart. You can't trust the Iranians. So I think the question, and I talk about strategy is what now? I mean, the president has put out possible massive airstrikes. He wants diplomacy. But how do you deal with the Iranians when that deal that you thought was great fell apart?

[Congressman Mike Turner]

You know, and that's interesting, Martha. So in that memorandum of understanding, Iran made statements that they said that they would never make. Now then they didn't live up to those statements, but they said they would not pursue a nuclear weapon. They said the straits would be open. And they made those statements having said that they would not do so. So they had been brought to the negotiation table. They made the statements, they said they would not, and then they did not live up to them. And so now we're in this situation where the administration hasn't, doesn't have a whole lot of options and is using force and is using also the attempt for negotiation. Now we have to go to the point where, you know, Iran, their whole ability to be able to, you know, attack their neighbors, to be a sponsor of terrorism is because they are in the world of commerce, the world of energy. The, the, our allies and those in which they sell energy to are going to have to step up to the plate here. America, United States cannot do this alone. There, there is economic pressure that can be placed on Iran, Congressman, and that's going to have to be brought to bear.

[Commentator/Analyst]

Also,

[Martha Raddatz]

as you said, not a whole lot of options. We appreciate your time as always. Coming up, Democrats have their candidate to replace Green, Graham Platner. The all important Maine Senate race. Next we hear from the lumberjack Democrats hope can beat Susan Collins Monday.com AI agents took over my work and I absolutely love it.

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[Commentator/Analyst]

for nearly 30 years. Collins has told Maine that she is concerned. Maine does not need another six years of concern. We need someone with courage, we need a fighter and we need a senator who remembers exactly who sent them to Washington, which is you.

[Martha Raddatz]

That was Trudge accent speaking in Maine on Thursday Saturday after an impromptu state party convention selected him as their new Democratic nominee for Senate after the sudden departure of Graham platner. Today marks 100 days until the midterms and with control of the Senate at stake, can Jackson win over Platner supporters and flip the key seat currently held by longtime incumbent Senator Susan Collins? ABC's Jay O' Brien has the story.

[Jay O'Brien]

In the nation's most closely watched Senate race, Democrats in Maine rallying around their new candidate tapping Troy Jackson to replace scandal plagued Graham Platner, who dropped out earlier this month after an ex girlfriend accused him of sexual assault, which he denies.

[Commentator/Analyst]

I humbly ask for your vote. Thank you and God bless a logger

[Jay O'Brien]

and the former state Senate president. President Jackson launched a failed campaign for governor this year. Now he's hoping to pick up Platner's progressive working class mantle, challenging the state's longtime Republican Senator Susan Collins in a contest that could decide control of the Senate. Jackson speaking with ABC moments after he officially became the nominee.

[Commentator/Analyst]

Everyday people are fed up with the government that we have Right now. And it's time for everyone, Republicans and Democrats, start thinking about everyday work, movement, class, people. We're going to, you know, talk about the difference between my campaign and Senator Collins. She's a rubber stamp for Trump voting 96% of the time with him.

[Jay O'Brien]

But Collins is one of just a handful of Senate GOP moderates who has repeatedly clashed with President Trump on key issues, including voting against his signature. One big beautiful bill act. Democrats consider Collins especially vulnerable this fall. She's the only Republican defending a Senate seat in a state Trump lost in 2024. The nearly three decade veteran of Congress undeterred by her new rival.

[Martha Raddatz]

He was Senator Sanders lead for Senator Sanders presidential campaign in vain.

[Jay O'Brien]

He's a Bernie bro Jackson rising from what started as a wide field of hopefuls. But many quickly stepped aside before a planned party convention this Saturday, bringing in delegates from across the state and turning into a Jackson coronation. All of it run by 31 year old executive director Devin Murphy. Anderson, whose team spent the last two weeks fashioning a candidate selection process they say was designed to let Platner's fervent base of supporters feel heard. Even after Platner himself told voters that large forces were the cause of his campaign's flameout, not the allegations against him.

[Matt Rivers]

Those in power who have the ability

[Congressman Mike Turner]

to do so are using these allegations as an excuse to take away all of the things that we need to run a campaign.

[Mary Bruce]

This is not an institution. You're here in our office. There's no cigar smoke to be seen. Right?

[Jay O'Brien]

It's not a smoke filled room.

[Donna Brazile]

It is not.

[Mary Bruce]

It is a bunch of young people.

[Jay O'Brien]

But he did kind of create that impression.

[Mary Bruce]

I don't know what his end goal was and I'm not concerned with that.

[Jay O'Brien]

Questions still swirling around state Democrats and whether they can convince the thousands of one time Platner die hards like Mark Reid to get behind their new candidate in numbers large enough to unseat Collins. We first met Mark shortly after Platner withdrew. Are you concerned that this has set back your ability to beat Susan Collins?

[Pete Hegseth]

Of course. We brought a lot of new people

[Martha Raddatz]

into politics that hadn't been involved before.

[Congressman Mike Turner]

Got a lot of people energized and

[Martha Raddatz]

said people have really given up on politics, got involved.

[Jay O'Brien]

Are you worried some of those people sit at out come November?

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[Jay O'Brien]

Jackson outlining his plan to reset the race.

[Commentator/Analyst]

I know there's some out there right now, you know, and they're frustrated and what I'm trying to do is make sure that they realize that this is about those issues that we all care about and that this campaign is not about me. It's not about Graham. It's way bigger.

[Martha Raddatz]

It is a very big race, that's for sure. Our thanks to Jay o'. Brien. Here to give us the latest state of play in the Senate is our Washington bureau chief, Rick Klein. And Rick, Maine was one of the last big question marks as we head toward November's midterms. And it cannot be overstated, really, just how important the state is for Democrats.

[Ryan Reynolds (Ad)]

Yeah, Martha, Maine is as close to a must win as there is this year for Democrats. They need to flip four seats to take control of the Senate. And even as the map has expanded, there's still less than 10 seats that most strategists think could be in play. Three of them are already held by Democrats. So really, they can't afford to lose those in Maine. That's where Kamala Harris beat President Trump by seven points just two years ago. So Democrats just wanted to be on offense. But the collapse of Graham Platner's campaign, then that scramble to replace him, it's put them in a fundraising and a messaging hole as they look to defeat Senator Susan Collins. They're hoping Troy Jackson brings some stability to the campaign. But even winning there won't be close to enough. Realistically, Democrats need to win Maine and North Carolina. Then they need upsets in a few deep red states, Ohio, Iowa, even maybe Texas or Alaska. But none of that would likely matter in all likelihood if the Democrats don't hold their ground elsewhere.

[Martha Raddatz]

Exactly. But also, Rick, so much of what we've seen in these primaries throughout the year are these internal party battles both in the Republican and Democratic parties.

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[Martha Raddatz]

Martha, so much to watch for. Rick, thanks for all of your insights. Our roundtable on the fallout from the Iran war, that Saudi nuclear deal, and the very latest on the midterms. We'll be right back. I'm joined now by the roundtable in Washington. Our chief White House correspondent Mary Bruce, former DNC chair Donna Brad Brazil, and former New Jersey Governor Chris Christie. Good morning to all of you. And Mary, let's start with you. You pressed President Trump this week on what the plan was, what the strategy is on how to end this war. We now know that he threatened a massive strike, New York Times reporting that, backing off. So what is the strategy?

[Mary Bruce]

Yeah, it's a good question because Martha, right now there really doesn't seem, seem to be a clear strategy. As you mentioned, there's that New York Times report that he's backing off plans for a massive strike. This morning, asked about that, the White House tells me that the president continues to retain all options. They stress he's always preferred a diplomatic solution, but of course, so far talks have gone nowhere. And yet the White House this morning is still threatening possible escalation, telling me that if Iran doesn't come back and negotiate a deal that they will, they know what will happen. Look, as you keep saying, Martha, I mean, we are months into a war that was supposed to last weeks. There is no clear off ramp. The attacks are dragging on. And when I press the president, given the fact that Iran doesn't seem to be giving in, you know, is the strategy just to keep attacking until they somehow get Iran to back down? Well, the president didn't really like that. He pushed back pretty strongly against me and insisted that Iran desperately wants to talk. But again, there are no signs of that. And so without an off ramp, I think, you know, the status quo seems likely to continue. These strikes will continue and they are now widening. And of course, as oil prices spike, it just presents a huge political problem for the president and Republicans, especially as we barrel towards the midterms. Martha.

[Martha Raddatz]

Chris, you know Donald Trump very well. He likes to win. Even though he said they won this war, there are no signs right now that he is winning, Martha.

[Chris Christie]

Look, there are no signs he's winning in Iran And. And the Iranians have learned, as many of us in this country have learned, that the bluster is the bluster. How many times has he threatened to bomb them into civil out of civilization, bomb every power plant, bomb every bridge, and then he inevitably backs off. He thinks that this is a real estate deal, that if he blusters about, someone else is looking at this property, and you have to offer right now that somehow they're gonna do it. That doesn't work in international diplomacy, and it certainly doesn't work with the Iranians. And I'll say this, Martha. The problem for the president and for my party right now is that the show is over. He can no longer distract from bad decisions with his charisma and his speaking. And the best example of that are the two speeches in the last week, the speech on election integrity and the speech on Friday night at the correspondence dinner. No one is paying attention anymore. They are bored with the actual. At times on Friday night, it seemed like he was even bored with the act. And the Iranians notice all of this, Martha, and they're not going to take him seriously. And that has got to be incredibly frustrating to a president who all he cares about is that people take him seriously.

[Martha Raddatz]

And I want to go to you, Diana, on this. I have a feeling you agree with some of that. But I want to talk about the budget request on Capitol Hill. $67 billion. The Democrats are pushed back and pushed back hard. But you heard what Pete Hegseth said. Look, this just shows you don't support the troops. That is some. The troops, rather. That's something they're going to hear again and again.

[Donna Brazile]

Well, Martha, as you well know, the Democrats do support our service members, both who have been wounded, and of course, the 18 service members have been killed. We also need to hear from the Department of Veterans affairs so that we can support those troops once they're back home. The bottom line is without a strategy, without an off ramp, and with the negotiators probably somewhere between Mar A Lago and Switzerland, we need to understand what is the next step. We haven't heard of any escalation over the last 48 hours. Somehow or another, the strikes have stopped. But will the team get back together to put together the memorandum of understanding so that there can be a real ceasefire and negotiations can continue to. To end this war?

[Martha Raddatz]

Mary, I want to talk about that Saudi deal. You heard me talking about that earlier. But how did that happen? That that was signed and then. Oh, wait a minute. It's not actually, as we told you.

[Mary Bruce]

It was, yeah, it's pretty astounding. I mean, Energy Secretary Chris Wright and his Saudi counterparts signed this deal, this civilian nuclear agreement. And then, of course, just 24 hours later, after the president announced this, he puts in place this new condition that really puts the entire deal at jeopardy. Now insisting that Saudi Arabia has to join the Abraham Accords court, of course, that would require them to normalize relations with Israel, something that they've said won't happen unless Israel agrees to a Palestinian state. So it is highly unlikely to see how this is going to go forward. Certainly the president can put the brakes on it now as he goes back and forth with the the Saudis about this condition. But the White House, after the deal was announced and signed, made it very clear that unless they join the Abraham Accords, there will be no deal.

[Martha Raddatz]

Martha, Kris, I want to turn back to the midterms. A lot can happen in 100 days, but this escalation has meant a hit on the economy again. The White House Republicans truly have to be worried, worried about what happens. That is all the people care about. They don't like the way this war is being handled and they don't like what's happening to the economy. So what do Republicans do?

[Chris Christie]

Well, Martha, look, Republicans, my party has got to be scared. And especially some very good members of Congress who otherwise might deserve reelection are weighed down by the following look at the numbers in the FOX News poll last week. The president's job approvals at 3,3861. But worse, he's 34 points underwater on the economy, 32 points underwater on Iran. And the bigger problem in these swing districts for the House and these swing states in the Senate is what's going on with independence. The president's job approval is 41 points underwater with independence, and he's 66 points underwater on inflation with independence. Those are deadly numbers. And so, you know, for Republicans, they're gonna have to start making a decision. Do they try to distance themselves from this president? And this is gonna be the first time he's gonna have to confront that potentially. Either they're gonna go down with him as he's going down. And these are FOX News poll numbers. So, you know, we got some real problems as a party, and it's gonna affect I was with Republican governors this past week, and there's a lot of Republican gubernatorial races that we are very, very worried about in states that we have always won. And that's a real problem.

[Martha Raddatz]

And Donna, let's talk about the Senate, particularly Maine. We've also got Michigan, Graham Platner replaced.

[Narrator/Reporter]

He was a prominent.

[Martha Raddatz]

Troy Jackson was a prominent Platner supporter, but he also came in third place in Maine's gubernatorial primary. So how confident are you that Troy Jackson could beat Susan Collins?

[Donna Brazile]

I'm very confident. Look, he's a logger. He's, he's somebody who has been around the state of Maine for a long time. I believe he can put together the electoral coalition that will win in the state of Maine. He knows that state very well. He knows how to connect with working people. And I think Mr. Jackson is going to prove to be a very competitive candidate. I know he has 100 days, but the people of Maine are very motivated. And you saw that in the convention. In terms of Michigan, their primary is coming up next week. I mean, on August 4th. That is also a very competitive state. You have a mainstream Democrat running against an insurgent, or what we like to call a very energetic candidate from the left. That's going to also be a state that we need to win. But Democrats also have another path. We've got Alaska, that's still in play. Iowa, that's still in place. And if we keep Georgia and we can improve in North Carolina, Democrats are still competitive in the United States Senate as well as the House. Look, Democrats have a great deal of momentum right now. We've won 90% of the races since Trump been in office. I'm confident that we can take back to Congress.

[Chris Christie]

Martha, let me just say and remind and remind my friend Donna that the road is littered with the people who are going to beat Susan Collins. And so I would feel very nervous about Maine with 100 days and an unproven statewide candidate against one of the most able political actors this town has seen over the last 30 years.

[Martha Raddatz]

And Mary, I want to go to you about Micah Sherrill, Chris's state's governor. She announced that about 6,600 non citizens were mistakenly registered to vote vote because of a technical error a few years ago. They didn't try to pretend they were citizens, but she said less than 400 actually voted. And there's no evidence of them swaying elections. But this becomes a PR nightmare and a really strong narrative going forward about election security.

[Mary Bruce]

Yeah. And the president, no surprise, was very quick to pounce on this, saying that it just underscores his desire to pass the Save America act, that voting legislation that he's been pushing that would require voter ID and proof of citizenship. And Governor Sherrill, you know, tried to come out and be as transparent as she could about this. She said when they find problems, they fix them. But, you know, she said it was this computer error that when over 6,000 people went to sign up to get a driver's license, that they were erroneously also signed up and registered to vote. Now, she said and stressed that while about 400 of them did go on to actually vote, that there's no evidence that any of those votes were able to sway elections. But certainly the president believes that this adds fuel to his fire as he's been amping up those unproven claims of widespread voter fraud.

[Chris Christie]

Martha, let me give you one thing. The governor has appointed my former attorney general, very independent, Jeff Chiesa, to do a bipartisan investigation, look for that, because he will not hide anything from the public. You can count on it.

[Commentator/Analyst]

Good.

[Martha Raddatz]

Okay. Thanks to all of you. Appreciate your time. Up next, we remember the service members who made the ultimate sacrifice in this war. We'll be right back. I found out My Grandfather's Charles Manson.

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President Trump at the dignified transfer of the four fallen soldiers to killed in Iraq and Jordan this week, leaving the families with the realities of sacrifice and hopefully leaving all of us with gratitude for their willingness to serve.

[Narrator/Reporter]

There were two young women, a father and a beloved son engaged to be married. The three Americans killed here in Jordan, all under 30 now posthumously promoted. Staff Sergeant Angel Rampersad, 28, of Ozone Park, New York. Captain Tyler Feehan, 25, of Ewa Beach, Hawaii. And the youngest at just 19 years old, Private First Class Isabella Gonzalez of Carrollton, Texas. Staff Sergeant Michael Swinton was from Fayetteville, North Carolina. He was killed at a U.S. base in Iraq when an Iranian drone exploded in a controlled detonation. He was 30. Their remains arriving on U.S. soil on the same aircraft and casualties of the same conflict. The families of these men and women grieving, heartbroken, yet filled with pride.

[Martha Raddatz]

My daughter was a good, good soldier. She fought for this country and she died for this country. And I am a mother highly proud of her.

[Narrator/Reporter]

Carol Acevedo's daughter, Angel Sarah Rampson Persad was born in Trinidad. Her mother brought her to the US when she was just a baby. Her mom insisted she go to college before signing up for the military. A few days after her 21st birthday, she enlisted in the Army. There she met the woman who would become her wife, Isabella Gonzalez. The 19 year old joined just after graduating from high school in her native Texas. Pain rippling through the community.

[Martha Raddatz]

Been interviewed today several times and they always ask me, why does it mean so much?

[Congressman Mike Turner]

It just does. Everybody that served knew that could have been help.

[Martha Raddatz]

They would have been right there next to her.

[Narrator/Reporter]

Staff Sergeant Michael Swinton was the father of a six year old boy and a four year old girl. His wife Mia, who we met in the army told us he was an amazing husband and father. Captain Tyler Feehan was an officer who served in the ROTC at Southern Utah University with plans for law school after his army service and plans to marry his fiance when he returned home. His fiance Claire, writing that Tyler poured his heart into serving those under his leadership. Every day he would come home and tell me stories about his soldiers. He believed that leadership began with kindness, humility and genuinely caring about people. The parents of the avid hiker writing online, Tyler, we are proud of you beyond words. Devastated, yes, but prouder still. You can see Feehan here, when he was commissioned as an officer in the army, saluting his grandfather. His family tells us this image is especially powerful now. Tyler's grandfather died on Thursday, five days after his grandson was killed. The Feehan family telling us the two of them are now together again.

[Martha Raddatz]

We grieve with those families and send respect and prayers. We'll be right back.

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[Martha Raddatz]

That's all for us today from Amman, Jordan. Thanks for sharing part of your Sunday with us. Check out World News tonight and have a great day.

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