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Welcome to Thoughts on the Market. I'm Andrew Sheats, head of Corporate Credit Research at Morgan Stanley. Today I'll be discussing the lessons we can learn from 2024, a remarkable year that also may be easily forgotten. It's Friday, January 3rd at 2pm in London. In 2024, I celebrated my 20th year with Morgan Stanley. Among my regrets over this time was not keeping a better journal. It's notable how quickly events in the market that seem large and remarkable at the time can fade in one's memory as the years merge together. How markets that seem easy or obvious in hindsight were anything but. I say this because many Years from now, 2024 may end up being one of those relatively forgettable years. Another year where, as usually happens, the stock market went up. Another year where stocks outperform bonds, the US dollar strengthened, and US stocks beat those abroad. Yet what is significant about 2024 is the scale of all these trends. For anyone managing money, the question of stocks versus Bonds, US versus Rest of world, large versus Small or growth versus Value are some of the most fundamental strategic questions one faces. These calls don't always matter, but last year they did to a very large degree. Global stocks outperformed bonds by about 20%. Growth outperformed value by practically the same amount. US stocks beat their global peers by 13%. In short, one's experience in 2024 in relative performance could have varied significantly based on just a few relatively simple decisions. Related to that is a second lesson. 2024 was a reminder that while valuation is a powerful long term force, it can be a much more frustrating 12 month guide. All of those relative relationships I just mentioned, stocks versus Bonds, growth versus Value, US versus International all worked in favor of the market that was historically richer entering last year. For our third lesson from last year, we'll focus on credit, where investors earn a premium over safer government bonds by lending to riskier corporate borrowers. Notable for this asset class in 2024 was, for the most part, it did its own thing, showing some encouraging independence from other markets and highlighting the value of digging into a borrower's details. Specifically, I think this independence showed up in a few different ways. Credit showed low correlation to government bonds, for example, delivering good excess returns despite very large swings in yields or central bank expectations. It also even more impressively bucked some of 2024's biggest trends. For example, while the outperformance of the US economy and US assets was one of the biggest stories of 2024, that wasn't the case in credit, where Europe and Asia actually did marginally better. In contrast to the equity market, smaller companies in credit outperformed as spreads in high yield, and loans outperformed larger investment grade spreads even after adjusting for risk. And this was true at an even more granular level. Rise in corporate activity alongside more aggressive strategies for companies to deal with their own borrowing created very dispersed outcomes driven by bond level documentation. Far removed from the macro machinations of politics and monetary policy. This somewhat weaker connection to the broader world is central to how we think about credit looking ahead. While big economic and political questions certainly loom in 2025, we think the credit for now will be driven by more micro company level trends and show somewhat lower correlation to other assets at least through the first half of this year. From all of us at Thoughts on the Market we wish you a very happy New Year and all the best for 2025. Thanks for listening. If you enjoy the show, leave us a review wherever you listen and share thoughts on the market with a friend or colleague today.
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Thoughts on the Market: Lessons to Take Into 2025
Hosted by Morgan Stanley
Episode: Lessons to Take Into 2025
Release Date: January 3, 2025
In the latest episode of Thoughts on the Market, Andrew Sheats, Head of Corporate Credit Research at Morgan Stanley, delves into the pivotal lessons from 2024 and their implications for the investment landscape in 2025. Released on January 3, 2025, this episode offers a comprehensive analysis of market trends, strategic investment decisions, and the evolving dynamics of the credit sector.
Andrew Sheats begins by reflecting on his 20-year tenure at Morgan Stanley, emphasizing how 2024, despite its remarkable market movements, might be easily forgotten in the annals of financial history. He shares a personal regret: "Among my regrets over this time was not keeping a better journal" (00:15), highlighting the fleeting nature of seemingly significant market events.
Sheats underscores that while 2024 may appear as a typical year where stock markets outperformed bonds and the US dollar strengthened, the scale of these trends was unusually pronounced. This amplification meant that relatively straightforward investment decisions had profound impacts on portfolio performance.
One of the primary takeaways from 2024 is the critical importance of asset allocation decisions. Sheats points out that:
"Global stocks outperformed bonds by about 20%. Growth outperformed value by practically the same amount. US stocks beat their global peers by 13%" (01:10).
These figures illustrate how simple choices between stocks and bonds, growth and value, or US versus international equities can lead to significantly different investment outcomes. The lesson here is clear: Strategic asset allocation is paramount, especially in years where predominant trends amplify the effects of these decisions.
While valuations remain a cornerstone for long-term investment strategies, Sheats cautions against relying solely on them for short-term guidance. He states:
"2024 was a reminder that while valuation is a powerful long-term force, it can be a much more frustrating 12-month guide" (01:45).
This highlights the volatility and unpredictability of markets in the short term, where even historically rich assets can underperform based on immediate market dynamics.
Delving into the credit sector, Sheats reveals that 2024 showcased the independent trajectory of credit markets compared to traditional equities and bonds. Key insights include:
Low Correlation with Government Bonds:
"Credit showed low correlation to government bonds, for example, delivering good excess returns despite very large swings in yields or central bank expectations" (02:30).
Regional Performance Divergence:
Contrary to the US stocks' dominance, credit markets in Europe and Asia slightly outperformed their US counterparts, defying the broader economic trends of the time.
Preference for Smaller Companies:
In the credit space, smaller companies and high-yield bonds outperformed larger entities and investment-grade spreads, even after risk adjustments.
Sheats emphasizes that these trends were driven by micro-level company strategies and bond-specific documentation, rather than overarching macroeconomic or political factors. This nuanced behavior underscores the importance of detailed credit analysis.
Sheats anticipates that credit markets in 2025 will continue to be influenced more by company-specific factors than by macroeconomic trends. He notes:
"We think the credit for now will be driven by more micro company level trends and show somewhat lower correlation to other assets at least through the first half of this year" (03:15).
This suggests that investors should focus on the fundamentals of individual borrowers and their specific circumstances, rather than relying solely on broader economic indicators.
As the episode wraps up, Sheats encapsulates the essence of 2024's market lessons and their significance for future investment strategies. He reinforces the idea that while certain market movements may seem routine in hindsight, their amplified execution in 2024 provided valuable insights into strategic asset allocation and the intricate dynamics of the credit markets.
Final Quote:
"Many years from now, 2024 may end up being one of those relatively forgettable years. Another year where the stock market went up." (00:50)
This closing remark serves as a reminder of the importance of documenting and analyzing each market cycle to better understand and navigate future financial landscapes.
Thoughts on the Market offers investors a deep dive into the complexities of market behavior, emphasizing the need for strategic foresight and detailed analysis. As 2025 unfolds, the lessons from 2024 will undoubtedly shape investment strategies and decisions within the Morgan Stanley community and beyond.
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