Transcript
A (0:00)
Welcome to Thoughts in the Market. I'm Aruna Masinha from Morgan Stanley's global and US Economics teams.
B (0:06)
And I'm Edouard Robin, head of the luxury goods team.
A (0:09)
This episode was recorded last week when we were at the annual Morgan Stanley Luxury conference in Paris. In it we bring you an overview of what we heard from companies and investors about the hottest trends in the luxury industry. It's Tuesday, May 27 and at 8am in Paris. For several years now the luxury industry has been riding a post pandemic boom and the top luxury brands experience 80% or greater sales growth between 2019 and 24. So Ed, is this trend going to continue or has it started to moderate and why?
B (0:45)
No, it has already started to moderate clearly last year. So the growth rates of some of the leading luxury good brands, you know, over the past four or five years was clearly double digit CAGR growth. What we've seen in 2024 is the market, luxury goods market worldwide has already started to contract. It was very moderate at 2 to 3% but it's very unusual because over the past 30 years the market has contracted only once or twice. So it started last year already but we think it's going to accelerate. The decline could be even a bit more significant this year to low to mid single digit. And there are a number as to of reasons as to why the luxury goods market moderated. First of all, there's been post the COVID post pandemic there's been a wallet shift away from ownership of goods to more spent on experiences such as travel, restaurants, dining out, etc. The other thing is that you had a lot of closets which were full post the pandemic. People were at home, disposable income was high and there was certainly a lot of purchase which was done during the pandemic and we'll talk about it in a second. There is also this view that maybe luxury goods companies have increased prices maybe a bit excessively during the pandemic and potentially pricing out the middle income consumer.
A (2:13)
This is an incredible conference and we've been talking to a lot of corporates and we've been talking to a lot of investors. What are some of the key debates that you've been hearing about?
B (2:22)
So I mean front and center, it's what's going on in terms of the from a macro standpoint in terms of the two key markets for the luxury goods sector, which are China and the US to put things in perspective. And we look at it on a nationality standpoint here rather than a geographic Standpoint, the reason is that there is a lot of cross border shopping which is done when it comes to luxury. The Chinese nationals account for about a third of total demand, total spend on the luxury goods market, 30 to 33%. So they are the number one nationality today. Clearly the number two is the, the Americans which account for about 21, 22% of the spend. So combined that's more than 50% of the spend and certainly more than supposedly 50% of the growth over the next three to five years. So clearly a lot of focus on these two nationality. What's going on in terms of the wealth effect in China and in the US what's going on in terms of the health of the middle income consumer in China and in the US the other debate related to that is what's going on in terms of international travel. What we've heard from companies during the conference is that there are certainly less Americans now coming to Europe in this quarter, in the second quarter. And this had been a key driver of the spend over the past few months, partially related to the currency. There is also, there are also less Chinese going to Japan, which was also a key factor of growth for the industry. Chinese spend about 30% of their total spend outside of China and Japan was the number one market in terms of spend for them in recent years ahead of Europe. And what we've seen and what we heard from the companies attending the conference is that these two nationalities are spending less abroad, which is why we think the second quarter sales could be a bit under pressure more than in the, in the first quarter. The other debate is about the middle income consumer. As we talked about, luxury brands have raised prices quite a bit for some of them. They've doubled the sales price of items during the pandemic. And again there is a debate about the fact that they might have been pricing out the middle income consumer. And obviously that has come at a time where the discretionary spend of the middle income consumer, the aspirational customer, has been under pressure. So it's kind of a double whammy in terms of the propensity of these cohort to spend on luxury goods and for the sector to grow in the medium to long term, it cannot just rely on millionaires and billionaires. It has to recruit from the middle class. That has been one of the growth engine of this industry over the past 10, 20, 30 years. And so that's certainly one of the key debates is when will the products become affordable? Again, the challenge for the luxury goods company is that you can, there is a Cardinal rule in luxury, you can never lower your prices. So what you can do is you can play a bit with the mix or you can wait for the discretionary spend to increase and make your product more affordable. But obviously that takes some time. So these are some of the key debates, you know, that have been discussed at the, at the conference. So, Arun Imam, let's shift our focus from micro to macro concerns. So we've about talked, been talking a lot about the economic outlook, uncertainty around tariffs and currency markets on this podcast. Will these factors hurt luxury consumption?
