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Welcome to Thoughts on the Market. I'm Mike Wilson, Morgan Stanley CIO and chief U.S. equity strategist. Today on the podcast I'll be discussing recent Macro Events and third quarter earnings results. It's Monday, November 3rd at 11:30am in New York, so let's get after it. Last week marked the passage of two key macro the meeting on trade between Presidents Trump and Xi and the October Fed meeting On the trade front, the US agreed to cut tariffs on China by 10% and delay newly proposed tech export controls for a year. In exchange, China agreed to pause its proposed export controls on rare earths and resume soybean purchases while cracking down on fentanyl. This is a major positive relative to how developments could have gone following the sharp escalation a few weeks ago, and markets have responded accordingly. With respect to the Fed meeting, Powell suggested policy is not on a preset course, which took the bond market probability of a December rate cut down from 92% before the meeting to 68% currently. It also led to some modest consolidation in equity prices, while breadth remained very weak. In my view, the market is saying that if growth holds up but the Fed only cuts rates modestly, leadership is likely to remain narrow and up the quality curve over the next six to 12 months. We think moderate weakness in lagging labor data and a stronger than expected earnings backdrop ultimately sets the stage for a broadening in market leadership. However, we're also respectful of the signals the markets are sending in the near term. This means it's still too early to press the small cap, low quality, deep cyclical rotation trade until the Fed shows a clear willingness to get ahead of the curve. Perhaps just as important for markets was the Fed's decision to end quantitative tightening or QT in December. Recently, J. Powell has acknowledged the potential for rising stress in the funding markets and indicated the Fed could end QT sooner rather than later. Over the past month, expectations for the timing of this QT termination ranged from immediately to as late as February. Powell seemed to split the difference at last week's meeting and this could be viewed as disappointing to some market participants. In order to monitor this development, I'll be watching how short term funding markets behave. Specifically, overnight repo usage has been on the rise and if that continues, along with the widening spreads between the secured overnight financing rate in Fed funds, I believe equity markets are likely to trade poorly, especially in some of the more speculative areas. In short, we think higher quality areas of the market are likely to continue to outperform until this dynamic is settled. Meanwhile, earnings season is in full swing, and the real standout has been the upside in revenue surprises, which is currently more than double the historical run rate. We think this could provide further support that our rolling recovery thesis is underway, which leads to much better earnings growth than most are expecting. Bottom line, we're gaining more confidence in our core view that the new bull market began in April with the end of the rolling recession and the beginning of a new cycle. This means higher and broader earnings growth in 2026 and a potentially different leadership in the equity market. The full broadening out to lower quality, smaller capitalization stocks is being held back by a Fed that continues to fight inflation, perhaps not realizing how much the private economy and average consumer needs lower rates for this rolling recovery to fully blossom. Last week's Fed meeting could be disappointing in that regard in the short run for equity markets. As a result, stay up the quality curve until we get more clarity on the timing of a more dovish path by the Fed, and look for stress in funding markets as a possible buying opportunity into year end. Thanks for tuning in. I hope you found it informative and useful. Let us know what you think by leaving us a review and if you find thoughts on the market worthwhile, tell a friend or colleague to try it out.
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Episode: More Confidence in a Bull Market
Host: Mike Wilson, Morgan Stanley CIO and Chief U.S. Equity Strategist
Date: November 3, 2025
This episode features Mike Wilson sharing his analysis of the latest macroeconomic developments and Q3 earnings, emphasizing their implications for market confidence and future equity leadership. The discussion centers on recent U.S.–China trade negotiations, outcomes from the October Federal Reserve meeting, and readings from ongoing earnings season, shaping Morgan Stanley's bullish outlook for 2026.
Key Event: U.S. agreed to cut tariffs on China by 10% and delay proposed tech export controls for one year.
Chinese Response: Pause on rare earth export controls, resumption of soybean purchases, and a crackdown on fentanyl.
Market Reaction: Positive vs. prior weeks’ escalation.
"This is a major positive relative to how developments could have gone following the sharp escalation a few weeks ago, and markets have responded accordingly." – Mike Wilson (00:53)
Fed Stance: Policy "not on a preset course"; December rate cut probability drops from 92% to 68% post-meeting.
Market Impact: Modest equity consolidation; very weak breadth.
Outlook on Market Leadership:
"If growth holds up but the Fed only cuts rates modestly, leadership is likely to remain narrow and up the quality curve over the next six to 12 months." – Mike Wilson (01:32)
Fed to End QT in December: Reflects concerns over funding market stress.
Mixed Expectations: Termination timing ranged from immediate to February; the Fed "splits the difference."
Short-term Funding Watch: Increasing repo use and wider SOFR-Fed Funds spreads may signal trouble for speculative equities.
"Specific overnight repo usage has been on the rise and if that continues... I believe equity markets are likely to trade poorly, especially in some of the more speculative areas." – Mike Wilson (02:48)
Equity Strategy: Favor higher-quality stocks until funding stress resolves.
Earnings Season Highlight: Revenue surprises are more than double the historical run rate.
Rolling Recovery Thesis: Signs of “much better earnings growth than most are expecting.”
"We think this could provide further support that our rolling recovery thesis is underway." – Mike Wilson (03:14)
Bull Market Confidence: The new bull market began in April; expect higher, broader earnings growth in 2026.
Leadership Rotation: True broadening to lower quality/small caps awaits a more dovish Fed.
Fed Caution: Current policy "holds back" smaller and lower-quality stocks; economy needs lower rates to “fully blossom.”
Investment Guidance: "Stay up the quality curve" until Fed shifts policy stance; funding stress may present year-end buying opportunities.
"Stay up the quality curve until we get more clarity on the timing of a more dovish path by the Fed, and look for stress in funding markets as a possible buying opportunity into year end." – Mike Wilson (03:51)
On Trade Progress:
"This is a major positive relative to how developments could have gone following the sharp escalation a few weeks ago, and markets have responded accordingly." (00:53)
On Market Leadership:
"Leadership is likely to remain narrow and up the quality curve over the next six to 12 months." (01:32)
On Funding Markets:
"If...repo usage continues, along with the widening spreads between the secured overnight financing rate and Fed funds, I believe equity markets are likely to trade poorly, especially in some of the more speculative areas." (02:48)
On the Bull Market View:
"We're gaining more confidence in our core view that the new bull market began in April with the end of the rolling recession and the beginning of a new cycle." (03:24)
On Strategy Moving Forward:
"Stay up the quality curve until we get more clarity on the timing of a more dovish path by the Fed, and look for stress in funding markets as a possible buying opportunity into year end." (03:51)
Mike Wilson’s analysis underscores a cautiously optimistic stance for U.S. equities, highlighting significant progress in U.S.–China trade and a resilient earnings season. He advises a continued focus on high-quality stocks amid ongoing Fed caution but sees groundwork being laid for a broader bull market in the coming year, contingent upon more dovish policy and resolution in funding market stress.