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Welcome to Thoughts on the Market. I'm Mike Wilson, Morgan Stanley CIO and chief U.S. equity strategist. Today I will discuss what it will take for the US equity market to break out of the 5,000 to 5,500 range. It's Monday, April 21st at 11:30am in New York, so let's get after it. Last week we focused on our view that The S&P 500 was likely to remain in a 5,000 to 5,500 range in the near term, given the constraints on both the upside and the downside. First on the upside, we think it will be challenging for the index to break through prior support of 5,500 given the recent acceleration lower in earnings revisions, uncertainty on how tariff negotiations will progress, and the notion that the Fed appears to be on hold until it has more clarity on the inflationary and growth impacts of tariffs and other factors. At the same time, we also believe the equity market has been contemplating all of these challenges for much longer than the consensus acknowledges. Nowhere is this evidence clearer than in the ratio of cyclical versus defensive stocks. As discussed on this podcast. Many times. In fact, the ratio peaked a year ago and is now down more than 40% coming into the year. We had a more skeptical view on growth and the consensus for the first half due due to expectations that appear too rosy in the context of policy sequencing that was likely to be mostly growth negative to start things like immigration enforcement, DOGE and tariffs. Based on our industry analyst forecast, we were also expecting AI capex growth to decelerate, particularly in the first half of the year when growth rate comparisons are most challenging. Recall the Deep Seek announcement in January that further heightened investor concerns on this factor. And given the importance of AI capex to the overall growth expectations of the economy, this dynamic remains a major consideration for investors. A key point of today's episode is that just as many were overly optimistic on growth coming into the year, they may be getting too pessimistic now, especially at the stock level, as the breakdown in cyclical stocks indicate. This correction is well advanced both in price and time, having started nearly a year ago. Now, with The S&P 500 closing last week very close to the middle of our range, the index appears to be struggling with the uncertainty of how this will all play out. Equities trade in the future as they try to discount what will be happening in six months, not today. Predicting the future path is very difficult in any environment, and that is arguably more difficult today than usual, which explains the high volatility in equity prices. The good news is that stocks have discounted quite a bit of slowing at this point. It's worth remembering the factors that many were optimistic about four to five months ago. Things like deregulation, lower interest rates, AI productivity and a more efficient government are still on the table as potential future positive catalysts, and markets have a way of discounting them before it's obvious. However, there's also a greater risk of a recession now, which is a different kind of slowdown that has not been fully priced at the index level in our view. So as long as that risk remains elevated, we need to remain balanced with our short term views, even if we believe the odds of a positive outcome for growth in equities are more likely than consensus does over the intermediate term. Hence we will continue to range trade. Further clouding the picture is the fact that companies face more uncertainty than they have since the early days of the pandemic. As a result, earnings revisions breadth is now at levels rarely witnessed and approaching downside extremes. Assuming we avoid a recession, keep in mind that these revisions peaked almost a year ago, well before the S&P 500 topped, further supporting our view that this correction is much more advanced than acknowledged by the consensus. This is why we are now more interested in looking at stocks and sectors that may have already discounted a mild recession, even if the broader index is not. Bottom line. If a recession is averted, markets likely made their lows two weeks ago. If not, the S&P 500 will likely take those lows out. There are other factors that could take us below 4800 in a bear case outcome too. For example, the Fed decides to raise rates due to tariff driven inflation or the term premium blows out, taking 10 year treasury yields above 5% without any growth improvement. Nevertheless, we believe recession probability is the wild card now that markets are wrestling with in S and P terms. We think $5,000 to $5,500 is the appropriate range until this risk is either confirmed or refuted by the hard data, with labor being the most important. In the meantime, stay up the quality curve with your equity portfolio. Thanks for listening. If you enjoy the podcast, leave us a review wherever you listen and share thoughts on the market with a friend or colleague today.
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Title: Recession Fears Are a Wild Card for Markets
Host/Author: Morgan Stanley
Release Date: April 21, 2025
Podcast: Thoughts on the Market
In the April 21st episode of Thoughts on the Market, Morgan Stanley's Chief Investment Officer and Chief U.S. Equity Strategist, Mike Wilson, delves into the current state of the U.S. equity market, particularly focusing on the S&P 500's performance and the looming fears of a recession. Wilson provides a comprehensive analysis of the factors influencing the market's stability and offers insights into potential future movements.
Wilson begins by outlining the S&P 500's recent performance, highlighting its struggle to move beyond the 5,000 to 5,500 range. He attributes this stagnation to a combination of factors limiting both upward and downward movements:
Wilson emphasizes, “The Fed appears to be on hold until it has more clarity on the inflationary and growth impacts of tariffs and other factors” (00:45).
Wilson discusses the broader market sentiment, noting that equities have been "contemplating all of these challenges for much longer than the consensus acknowledges." A key indicator he points out is the ratio of cyclical to defensive stocks:
He remarks, “The ratio peaked a year ago and is now down more than 40% coming into the year” (03:20), suggesting a deeper market adjustment.
Wilson presents a less optimistic view on growth, challenging the consensus for the first half of the year. He cites several policy-related factors expected to be growth-negative:
Additionally, Wilson highlights concerns about AI capital expenditures (capex):
He notes, “Given the importance of AI capex to the overall growth expectations of the economy, this dynamic remains a major consideration for investors” (06:15).
Wilson argues that the market correction underway is "well advanced both in price and time," having commenced nearly a year ago. The S&P 500 is currently oscillating near the midpoint of the 5,000 to 5,500 range, reflecting uncertainty about future developments.
Despite the challenges, Wilson offers a cautious optimism:
He states, “Things like deregulation, lower interest rates, AI productivity and a more efficient government are still on the table as potential future positive catalysts” (08:00).
However, he also warns of the heightened risk of a recession, which "has not been fully priced at the index level in our view." This risk acts as a significant wildcard for the markets.
Analyzing corporate performance, Wilson points out unprecedented levels of uncertainty faced by companies:
Wilson advises shifting focus toward stocks and sectors that may have already "discounted a mild recession," even if the broader index hasn't fully reflected this adjustment.
Wilson wraps up by outlining two potential scenarios for the market:
Recession Averted:
Recession Confirmed:
He summarizes, “We believe recession probability is the wild card now that markets are wrestling with in S and P terms” (12:45).
Investment Recommendations:
Range Trading: Maintain a position within the 5,000 to 5,500 range until recession risks are clarified by hard data, particularly labor market indicators.
Quality Focus: Emphasize high-quality equities in portfolios to navigate the current uncertain environment effectively.
Wilson concludes with a reminder to stay informed and adapt strategies based on evolving market conditions.
Notable Quotes:
This episode provides a nuanced view of the current market dynamics, emphasizing the delicate balance between potential growth catalysts and the looming threat of a recession. Investors are encouraged to remain vigilant, prioritize quality in their portfolios, and stay within the observed market range until clearer economic indicators emerge.