B (2:49)

Yeah, and thank you for the title suggestion, by the way, Paul of Slipstream. So basically our view is that, well, our U.S. equity strategist is very bullish, as I think most know at this stage. He has 15% upside to his S and P target to the end of next year and very, very strong earnings growth in the US and the thesis is that you're getting a broadening in the strength of the US Economic recovery for Europe. What that means is that it's very, very hard for European equities to go down if the US market is up 15%. But our upside is more driven by multiple expansion than it is by earnings growth. Because what we continue to see in Europe and what we anticipate for next year is that consensus is too high for next year. Consensus is almost anticipating almost 13% earnings growth. We're anticipating just below 4% earnings growth. So we do expect downgrades. But at the same time, if the US recovery is broadening, the hopes will be that that will mean that broadening comes to Europe. And Europe trades at such a big discount, about 26% relative to the US at the moment, sector neutral, that investors will play that anticipation of broadening eventually to Europe through the multiple.

A (4:04)

So the first point you're making is that the direction of travel in the US really matters for European stock markets. The second bucket I wanted to talk about, and we're in a thematically driven market, so what are the themes that are going to be really resonating for Europe as we move into 2026?

B (4:19)

Yeah. So let me pick up on the earnings point that I just made. So we have 3.6% earnings growth for next year. That's our forecast and consensus. Bottom up consensus is 12.7%. It's a very high bar. Europe typically comes in and sees high numbers at the beginning of the year and then downgrades through the course of the year. And thematically, why do we see these downgrades? And I think it's something that investors probably don't focus on enough. It's structurally rising China competition and also Europe's old economy exposure, especially in regards to that China exposure demand isn't really picking up every year. For the last few years we've seen this Kind of China exposure and China competition piece drive between 60 and 90% of European earnings downgrades. And looking at especially the areas of consensus that are too high, which tend to be highly China exposed, that have had negative growth this year and prior years and we don't see kind of the trigger for that to mean revert. That is where we expect thematically the most disappointment. So sectors like chemicals, like autos, those are some of the sectors towards the bottom of our model. Luxury as well. It's a bit more debated these days, but that's still an underweight for us in our model then. German fiscal this is a multi year story German fiscal I mentioned that there's a lot of excitement on it in the first half of the year. The focus for next year will be the pace of execution and we think there's two parts of this story. There's an infrastructure fund, a 500 billion euro infrastructure fund in Germany where we're seeing, according to our economists, a very likely reallocation to more kind of social related spend which is not as great for our companies in the German index or earnings. And execution there hasn't been very fast. And then there's the defense side of the story where we're a lot more optimistic, where we're seeing execution start to pick up now, where the need is immense and we're seeing also upgrades from corporates on the back of that kind of execution pickup and the need. And we're very bullish on defense. We're overweight. The issue for taking that defence optimism and projecting out for all of Europe is that defence makes up less than 2% of the European index. And we do think that broadens to other sectors, but that will take years to start to impact other sectors. And then couple other things. We have pockets of AI exposure in the enabler category. So we're seeing a lot of strength in those pockets, a lot of catch up in some of those pockets right now. Utilities is a great example which I can talk about. So we think that will continue. But one thing I'm really watching, and I think a lot of strategists across regions are watching is AI adoption. And this is the real bull case for me in Europe. If AI adoption ROI starts to become material enough that it's hard to ignore, which could start in my opinion from the second half of next year, then Europe could be seen as much more of a play on AI adoption. Because the majority of our index is exposed to adoption. We have a lot of low hanging fruit in terms of productivity, challenges, demographics, you know the level of returns. And if you track our early adopter, which is something we do, they are showing roi. So we think that will broaden up to more of the European index.

A (7:35)

Now Marina, you mentioned a number of sectors there as it relates to the thematic focus. So it brings us on to our third and final bucket in terms of what your model is suggesting in terms of your sector preferences.

B (7:47)

Yeah. So we have data driven model just to take a step back for a moment. And our model incorporates, it's quantamental, it incorporates themes, it incorporates our view on the cycle which is in our view we're late cycle now, which can be very bullish for returns. And it includes quant factors, things like price target, revisions, breadth, earnings revisions, breadth, management, sentiment. We use a large language model to measure and for the first time since inception we have reviewed the performance of our model over the last just under two years and our top versus bottom stocks in our model have delivered 47% in returns, the top versus bottom performance. So now on the basis of the latest refresh of our model, banks are scre being by far at the top. And if you look whether it's at our sector model or you look at our top 50 preferred stocks in Europe, the list is full of banks. And I didn't mention this in the kind of thematic portion, but one of the themes in Europe outside of Germany is fiscal constraints. And actually banks are positively exposed to that because they're exposed to the steepness, positively to the steepness of the yield curve. And I think investors specialists are definitely optimistic on the sector. But I think you're getting more and more generalists noticing that banks is the sector that consistently delivers the highest positive earnings upgrades of any sector in Europe and is still not expensive at all. It's one of the cheapest sectors in Europe, trading at about nine times pe, also giving high single digit buyback and dividend yield. So that sector we think continues to have momentum. We also like defense, we recently upgraded utilities. We think utilities in Europe is at this interesting moment where in the last kind of six months or so it broke out of a five year downtrend relative to the European index. It's also if you look at European utilities relative to US utilities, I mentioned those wide valuation discounts. European utilities have broken out of their downtrend in terms of valuation versus their US peers but still trade at very wide discounts. And this is a sector where it has the highest capex of any sector in Europe. Highest capex growth. On the energy transition. The market has been hesitant to kind of benefit the sector for that because of questions around returns around renewables earlier on, and now that there's just this endless demand for power on the back of powering AI, investors are more willing to benefit the sector for those returns. So the sector's been a great performer already year to date, but we think there's multiple years to go.

A (10:23)

Marina, a very comprehensive overview on the outlook for European equities for 2020. Thank you very much for taking the time to talk. Thank you, Paul, and thanks for listening. If you enjoy thoughts on the market, please leave us a review wherever you listen and share the podcast with a friend or colleague today.

B (10:43)

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