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Welcome to Thoughts on the Market. I'm Seth Carpenter, Morgan Stanley's global chief economist, and today I'll be talking about 2025 and what we might expect in the global economy. It's Tuesday, January 7th at 10am in New York. Normally, our Year Ahead outlook is a roadmap for markets, but for 2025 it feels a bit more like a choose your own adventure book. Policy uncertainty is a key theme that we highlighted in our Year Ahead outlook. The new US Administration in particular will choose its own adventure with tariffs, immigration and fiscal policy. Some of the uncertainty is already visible in markets. With the repricing of the Fed at the December meeting and the strengthening of the dollar, our baseline has disinflation stalling on the back of tariffs and immigration policy while growth moderates, but only late in the year as the policies are gradually phased in. But in reality, the sequencing, the magnitude and the timing of these policies remains unknown for now, but they're going to have big implications for the economies and central banks around the world. The US Economy comes into the year on solid footing with healthy payrolls and solid consumption spending disinflation is continuing and the inflation data for November were in line with our forecast, but softer in terms of PCE than what the Fed expected. While the Fed did Lower their policy rate 25 basis points at the December meeting, Chair Powell's tone was very cautious, and the Fed's projections had inflation risks skewed to the upside. The Chair noted that the FOMC was only beginning to build in assumptions about policy changes from the new administration. Now we have conviction that tariffs and immigration restriction will both slow the economy and boost inflation. But we've assumed that these policies are phased in gradually over the entirety of the year, and consequently that materially stagflationary impetus, well, it's reserved for 2026, not this year. Similarly, we've assumed that effectively the entire year is consumed by the process of tax cut extensions. And so we've penciled in no meaningful fiscal impetus for this year. And in fact, with the bulk of the process simply extending current tax policy, we have very little net fiscal impact even in 2026. Now, in China, the deflationary pressure is set to continue with any policy reaction further complicated by US Policy uncertainty. The policymaker meeting in late December that they held provided only a modest upside surprise in terms of fiscal stimulus. So we're going to have to wait for any further details on that spending until March with the National People's Congress. Meanwhile, during our holiday break, the renminbi broke above 7.3, and that level matches roughly the peaks that we saw in 2022 and 2023. The strong dollar is clearly weighing on the Fixing the framework for policy will have to account for a potentially trade relationship with the us. So again in China there's a great deal of uncertainty, a lot of it driven by policy. The euro area is arguably less exposed to US Trade risks than China. A weaker euro may help stabilize inflation that's trending lower there, but our growth forecasts suggest a tepid outlook. Private consumption spending should moderate and maybe firm a bit as inflation continues to fall, and continued policy easing from the ECB should support capex spending. Fiscal consolidation, though, is a key risk to growth, especially in France and Italy, and any postponement in investment from potential trade tensions could further weaken growth now in Japan, the key debate is whether the bank of Japan will raise rates in January or March. After the last bank of Japan meeting, Governor Ueda indicated a desire for greater confidence on the inflation outlook. Nonetheless, we've retained our call that the hike will be in January because we believe the bank of Japan's regional branch manager meeting will give sufficient insight about a strong wage trend. And in combination with the currency weakness that we've been watching, we think that's going to be enough for the BOJ to hike this month. Alternatively, the BOJ might wait until the Rango negotiation results come out in March to decide if a hike is appropriate. So far the data remains supportive and Japanese style core CPI inflation has gone to 2.7% in November. The market's going to focus on Deputy Governor Himono's speech on January 14th for clues on the timing. January or March finally, as the Central bank of Mexico highlighted in their most recent rate cut decision, caution is the word as we enter the New Year. As economists, we could not agree more. The year ahead is the most uncertain since the start of the pandemic. Politics and policy are inherently difficult to forecast. We fully expect to revise our forecasts more and more often than usual. Thanks for listening and if you enjoy the show, please leave us a review wherever you listen and share thoughts on the market with a friend or colleague today.
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Thoughts on the Market: What Could Shape the Global Economy in 2025
Hosted by Morgan Stanley | Release Date: January 7, 2025
In the latest episode of Morgan Stanley's "Thoughts on the Market," Seth Carpenter, the firm's Global Chief Economist, delves into the potential factors that could influence the global economy in 2025. Released on January 7, 2025, this episode offers a comprehensive analysis of economic trends, policy uncertainties, and regional developments. Below is a detailed summary capturing the key discussions, insights, and conclusions from the episode.
Seth Carpenter sets the stage by highlighting the unprecedented uncertainty surrounding the 2025 economic landscape. He likens the upcoming year’s outlook to a "choose your own adventure book," emphasizing the multitude of policy decisions yet to be made.
“Normally, our Year Ahead outlook is a roadmap for markets, but for 2025 it feels a bit more like a choose your own adventure book.”
[00:30]
A central theme of the discussion is the policy uncertainty introduced by the new US Administration. Key areas of focus include tariffs, immigration, and fiscal policy, all of which are poised to significantly impact both the domestic and global economies.
“The new US Administration in particular will choose its own adventure with tariffs, immigration and fiscal policy.”
[00:45]
Carpenter notes that the unpredictability in policy decisions is already influencing market behaviors, such as the strengthening of the US dollar and the Fed's recent rate adjustments.
Despite the uncertainties, the US economy enters 2025 on a solid footing. Carpenter highlights robust payroll numbers and strong consumer spending as indicators of economic resilience. However, inflation dynamics present a more nuanced picture.
“The US Economy comes into the year on solid footing with healthy payrolls and solid consumption spending.”
[01:20]
Inflation continues to trend downward, aligning with Carpenter's forecasts, though the Personal Consumption Expenditures (PCE) inflation is softer than anticipated by the Federal Reserve.
“The inflation data for November were in line with our forecast, but softer in terms of PCE than what the Fed expected.”
[01:45]
The Federal Reserve's actions remain a critical variable. In December, the Fed lowered its policy rate by 25 basis points, reflecting a cautious stance. Chair Powell conveyed a wary outlook, with projections indicating inflation risks tilted to the upside.
“Chair Powell's tone was very cautious, and the Fed's projections had inflation risks skewed to the upside.”
[02:10]
Carpenter explains that the Fed is starting to incorporate potential policy changes from the incoming administration into its models, anticipating that tariffs and immigration restrictions will eventually slow economic growth and elevate inflation.
Fiscal policy remains subdued, with the primary focus being on extending current tax policies rather than implementing new measures. Carpenter indicates that the year's fiscal agenda is largely consumed by tax cut extensions, resulting in minimal net fiscal impact.
“We've assumed that effectively the entire year is consumed by the process of tax cut extensions.”
[03:15]
This conservative fiscal approach suggests limited fiscal stimulus, with significant fiscal tightening reserved for 2026.
China faces continued deflationary pressures exacerbated by US policy uncertainties. Recent fiscal stimulus has been modest, and further details are expected with the National People's Congress in March. The strengthening renminbi, surpassing the 7.3 mark during the holiday season, mirrors previous peaks from 2022 and 2023, challenging the policy framework amid a strong US dollar.
“In China, there's a great deal of uncertainty, a lot of it driven by policy.”
[03:55]
The Eurozone is relatively insulated from direct US trade risks compared to China. A weaker euro may aid in stabilizing declining inflation rates. However, growth prospects remain tepid, with private consumption expected to moderate. The European Central Bank's continued policy easing could support capital expenditures, though fiscal consolidation poses a significant growth risk, particularly in France and Italy.
“A weaker euro may help stabilize inflation that's trending lower there, but our growth forecasts suggest a tepid outlook.”
[04:10]
Japan stands at a crossroads regarding its monetary policy. The Bank of Japan (BOJ) faces a decision on whether to hike rates in January or defer until March, contingent on inflation outlooks and wage trends. Carpenter maintains a January rate hike expectation, citing favorable wage growth and currency weakness as drivers.
“We think that's going to be enough for the BOJ to hike this month.”
[04:40]
Japanese core CPI inflation reached 2.7% in November, heightening expectations for policy adjustments.
The Central Bank of Mexico has adopted a cautious approach, as evidenced by its recent rate cut decision. This caution reflects broader uncertainties as economies navigate the new year.
“…caution is the word as we enter the New Year.”
[04:50]
Carpenter underscores that 2025 may be the most uncertain year since the onset of the COVID-19 pandemic. Political and policy unpredictability necessitates frequent revisions of economic forecasts to adapt to evolving conditions.
“The year ahead is the most uncertain since the start of the pandemic.”
[04:55]
Seth Carpenter concludes by acknowledging the inherent difficulties in forecasting amidst volatile political and economic landscapes. Morgan Stanley anticipates ongoing adjustments to their economic projections as new information emerges.
“We fully expect to revise our forecasts more and more often than usual.”
[04:55]
This episode provides a thorough examination of the multifaceted factors poised to shape the global economy in 2025. From US policy directions and inflation trends to regional economic challenges in China, the Eurozone, Japan, and Mexico, Carpenter offers valuable insights into the complexities of the upcoming year. Listeners are encouraged to stay informed and adaptable as market conditions continue to evolve.