Ken Lawson (3:51)

I think he knew that he was supposed to be coming back for a hearing. He didn't know that he was coming back so soon. Cause he was in quarantine. The Department of Public Services has to fly out to get him and bring him back. And they were saying because of the COVID rules, that he would have had to stay in quarantine there. And then when he came back here, he would have to be quarantined in the jail before he could even come to court. The next question was, are we going to get a judge that's going to.

Amanda Knox (4:17)

Listen to everyone's surprise? The judge announces his verdict. Later that same day. My amazing team broke down everything and just step by step, just knocked everything out. My belief was the hand of God was going to vindicate me. I had God's team.

Judge Kubota (4:39)

There's a judgment of this court that the new DNA evidence, the tire tread evidence, the bite mark evidence, and Sean Schleitzer's recantation conclusively proves that in a new trial, a jury would likely reach a different verdict of acquittal. So therefore, the conviction of Albert Ian Schweitz for murder in the second degree, kidnapping and sexual assault in the first degree is hereby vacated. And Mr. Schweitzer shall be released immediately from custody in this court. So, Mr. Schweitzer, I'll ask you directly, you've spent roughly half of your life so far as a free man and another half of your life in prison. How old are you now? 51. 51. Okay. The question is, how do you make up for that lost time? And I'll give you a bit of advice. You live roughly one third of your life. You got one third of your life ahead of you. You can live it being angry and resentful at the process or the people that put you there, or you can live it with a new freedom. Alright? I suggest that since you have your whole family here, you hug and love your family and live a fulfilled life and make the best of the next one third of your life. So after we conclude this proceeding, the family of Mr. Schweitzer are allowed to come across the bar. No one else is allowed to come Forward to greet Mr. Schweitzer. Mr. Schweitzer shall be released from his shackles immediately. And we start.

Amanda Knox (6:23)

In a matter of hours. Ian Schweitzer is free. Well, sort of. It's a feeling very few people understand. Being charged and convicted of a crime you didn't commit. While his story played out a little differently, Ian's brother Sean is also one of those people.

Sean Schweitzer (6:47)

I took my deal, I got out and I was supporting my family. It's shitty that I had to do that, but you better take it.

Amanda Knox (6:58)

You better have taken it.

Sean Schweitzer (7:00)

I would have been sitting in, you know, the cell right by him if I didn't do that. That's the way I felt.

Amanda Knox (7:06)

And so AM I. A 22 year old American student, Amanda Knox was found guilty in Italy of murdering her British roommate. She was immediately sentenced to 26 years in an Italian prison. As the verdict was read, a crowd outside the courtroom burst into cheers. Inside the courtroom, Amanda Knox and her family began to sob. I'm Amanda Knox. And while studying abroad in 2007, what was supposed to be a once in a lifetime college experience turned into a life altering nightmare. One I would spend the following eight years trapped inside of and will carry with me for the rest of my life. Amanda Knox walks free. This was an extraordinary day in Italy and all over the United States. Immediate liberation. She didn't commit the crime. The words of the judge tonight, she's free. In February 2023, after Ian was released from prison, I traveled to Hawaii and met him in person. Little did I know that almost two years later, I would be sitting down now with you all to tell you what has happened since that very conversation. Behind every wrongful conviction is a devastating and complicated web that is almost impossible to untangle. But during this series, we're going to try to do just that. Because justice doesn't have to be complicated. And the victims in this case deserve clarity. Justice too long delayed is justice denied. Over the past 18 months, we've had a team of people who've been out on the Hawaiian Islands investigating this story, talking to the people that were there firsthand, some who have never spoken out before. Recording in depth interviews that you will hear nowhere else. We've pored through nearly 40,000 pages of documents about this case. We've listened to countless hours of audio, from witness stories and confessions to secret grand jury testimony, and never before heard interviews with jailhouse informants. All so we could discover the truth behind the murder of Dana Ireland and the three families who will never be the same because of it. But what we didn't expect was that the story would change drastically over the last year and a half as we investigated. Actually, no one did. In July 2024, the world found out who really killed Dana Ireland. A name that never popped up on investigators radar matched the DNA left at the scene and on the body of Dana Ireland.

Ian Schweitzer (10:00)

If you had told me a month ago that this is where this path.

Amanda Knox (10:04)

Would have turned, I would have called.

Ian Schweitzer (10:05)

You a liar and said there's no possible way.

Amanda Knox (10:08)

But to understand how we got here, you have to understand what has transpired in the 33 years since Dana Ireland was murdered. I'm Amanda Knox and this is three season two Murder in Vacationland. We're asking you to come with us to the Big island to hear the untold story of what really happened to Dana Ireland and how her death impacted the lives of people. Three families. The Irelands, the Schweitzers, and the Paulines.

Sean Schweitzer (10:49)

We also had DNA on our side. It didn't matter.

Amanda Knox (10:52)

We didn't even have a car. We didn't even have a car.

Sean Schweitzer (10:56)

Guilty to proving innocent, huh?

Amanda Knox (10:58)

No, it ain't. It ain't Schweitzer. Like I said. I just said that because that's what the detectives wanted. Chapter one Christmas in Hawaii. It's December 1991 in a small town, Kapoho, located on the eastern end of what's known as the Big island of Hawaii. It's not the place most mainlanders think of when they imagine the Hawaii islands. It's quieter, slower, serene, the ultimate tropical paradise and often called one of Hawaii's best kept secrets. And within Kapoho, there is this little subdivision called Almost Too Perfectly Vacation land. At around 5.30pm on Christmas Eve, a local woman named Ida Smith had just gotten home from running some afternoon errands and is settling back when she hears something strange. The call of a hawk? No. She realizes what she's hearing is not bird calls. It's sounding more like a girl than who is calling for help. Ida quickly follows the direction of the faint screams which take her towards a vacant house near her property. And then she sees her. About 80 to 90ft down the narrow gravel roadway towards the waterfront, surrounded by bushes, is a young woman in desperate need of medical attention. She is barely clothed, and it's clear she is suffering from numerous injuries by the amount of blood on her. And based on her appearance, Ida also believes the woman has been sexually assaulted.

Ian Schweitzer (13:13)

She had nothing on her jeans were. She had cut off jeans and they were down on her ankle. And her shirt looked like someone had grabbed it and tore it off her like that. So I got a hold of her own ankle, you know, and I said let me help you out. And she started to scream so I stopped because I didn't want to hurt her.

Amanda Knox (13:39)

Ida books it to the main road on the other side of her home to flag down the first car she sees. Thankfully it doesn't take long and in a matter of minutes a group of individuals, including a nurse who lives nearby are down there comforting the victim as they anxiously wait for an ambulance to arrive. And they're praying it won't be long because the woman's condition is only getting worse. It's obvious she is in severe pain and through it she's trying to make words. Some are coherent, some not, but they can make out her name. Dana. By 6:20pm, an officer makes his way to the scene. But unfortunately the ambulance doesn't arrive for another hour. Once arrived, Ida and the group watch as Dana is whisked away towards Hilo Hospital two hours after Ida found her. It might have been sooner if she wasn't in such a remote area, but it was the type of path you wouldn't even know was there unless you you knew. By 8pm A flurry of people, including paramedics rushed Dana into the hospital on a gurney. And there in the waiting room is her family. They've been there for about two hours, ever since they figured out something was wrong. And now they are watching their Dana, 23 year old Dana Ireland fighting for for her life. When detectives speak with Dana's older sister Sandy in the waiting room, they discover Sandy moved to the Big Island a few years earlier and Dana came to visit often. Then, only two months prior, Dana decided to stay in Hawaii for good. So for the holidays, Dana and Sandy's parents, John and Louise Ireland decided to fly in from Virginia and join them on the Big island for a few weeks. The family says earlier that day, before they were planning on celebrating Christmas Eve, Dana decided to go on a bike ride. So she borrowed her sister Sandy's bike and headed out to her friend Mark's house which is about a seven mile ride. But when Sandy and her boyfriend Jim were driving over to their parents rental house around 5pm they saw something on the side of the road that caught their attention. A crowd of people all gathered around what looked like the scene of an accident. Sandy went from curious to terrified when she recognized the crushed bike lying in the road. It was her bike, the one she had just let Dana borrow a couple hours earlier. Next to it was Dana's wristwatch. The Band completely broken, a foot long chunk of blonde hair, and a single white athletic shoe still tied. Sandy and Jim rushed to her parents rental, which was just minutes away, to tell them what they saw. And they all headed back to the scene. But when they arrived, Dana's mom Louise saw what was going on, assumed Dana had been involved in some kind of accident. And so the family headed over to the local hospital in case she showed up. But they never imagined she would show up like this. They watch in shock as the doctors do their best to save Dana. But she is just too far gone. A little after midnight on Christmas morning, Dana dies after hours of attempted life saving measures. Her cause of death, exsanguination or blood loss due to multiple traumatic injuries of the head, neck, chest, abdomen and pelvis. In Dana's autopsy report, Dr. Charles Reinhold notes a disturbing amount of injuries. Dana's chest, back, arms, legs and face were covered with abrasions, cuts and bruises. Her collarbone and pelvis were fractured. She had extensive hemorrhaging in her heart, lungs, stomach and bladder. But the doctors find something even more disturbing and which can't be explained by a car accident. A bite mark on her left breast and the presence of semen. So while Dana's family is reeling from her sudden death, police scour not just the one, but the two scenes related to Dana, which are about five miles apart. The first scene is on Kapohokai Drive where Dana's bike was discovered. They find tire impressions in the dirt. They make plaster casts of the tracks and take several pictures of tire marks, including a single deep gouge mark on Kapohokai Drive, which larger double tire tracks lead into. Detectives identify the gouge mark as the point at which the bicycle tire was driven into the road. From the collision, they find Dana's black bicycle seat on the side of the road near the tracks. Once finished at the collision scene, detectives head five miles away to the Waa Wa'a fishing trail where Dana had been found. She was about 80 to 90ft off the main road in the bushes just off the right side of the trail. Leaves surrounding her were bloody too, as if she'd been placed or possibly thrown there in an effort to conceal her. Her jean shorts and her missing white Avia tennis shoe are found nearby. But there's more. There's a child's black McGregor shoe, the left one only, and two white socks stuffed inside. There's also a blue colored T shirt size large, with a print of a station wagon and the Jimmy Z logo, which was a popular brand at the Time, especially on the Big Island. Then up the trail about halfway between the road and where Dana was found a black knit adult sock and a red panty size large. Police also find cigarette butts and two Corona beer bottles. Everything gets collected and tagged, but what is at the scene is only part of the story. The question still stands as to how Dana could have ended up there. After speaking with her family and witnesses at both crime scenes, authorities try to build a rough timeline of events based on everything they know so far, which begins at the home of Mark Evans in a pohikao at 4.10pm Mark was the friend Dana went to visit on her bike the night of the murder. And he told police that while their relationship in the beginning leaned a little towards the romantic side, they were totally platonic. Sometime shortly thereafter, the police speak to a witness who says they saw a woman who looked like Dana passing places called Shacks and Secrets, both local surfing hangout spots. Based on this, authorities determined she was run over at approximately 4:40pm less than half a mile from her parents vacationland rental home, which she was most likely headed back to for the family's Christmas Eve dinner. Then as she was riding her bike, she was struck in the rear by a vehicle heading in the Makai direction, AKA east towards the sea on Kapohokai Drive, which would indicate that Dana was also traveling in the Makai direction on the right side of the road before someone grabbed her and drove away to move her to that isolated area along the trail. There she would endure a nightmare before being left for dead. As detectives continued to work to find a flurry of calls and leads about trucks, vans and SUVs believed to be in the area flows in from the community. One comes from Eric Carlsmith. He lives on the first house on the left on Ililani Road. And he says he was with his girlfriend Karina on Christmas Eve. He tells police he noticed a pickup truck facing southwest at the intersection of Ililani Road and Kapohokai Drive. This was the spot where Dana was hit. What color was the truck?

Eric Carlsmith (22:53)

Turquoise green. It was. It wasn't aqua color, it was green and it was like a pine and turquoise green mix. Darker color. Let me tell you what kind of wood is over there and I can tell you. I can tell you any kind of wood that's in the forest and I can tell you if it's straight turn. I have an eye like a hawk and right now you know, I can read the stop right behind the tree over there. Let's see the stop sign.

Amanda Knox (23:23)

So police are focusing on a truck or van. And this makes sense. The road from Vacationland to the Ocean trail off Beach Road where Dana was found is barely drivable by a car. It's a tucked away, isolated, unpaved fishing trail of sorts and really only known to the locals in the area. It'd be hard to find otherwise, but obviously they still need more. And fortunately, or maybe unfortunately, there's no shortage of witness accounts. And this is the part where I would have walked you through detectives interviewing each one of them from the day Dana was found. Like Ida Smith, the woman who first found Dana.

Ian Schweitzer (24:10)

And it wouldn't stop. Help me. Help me. And I said, well, the voice was very faint. That's why I thought it was a little girl. I heard the cop crying, so I said, I'm coming, you know, just where are you? I start looking.

Amanda Knox (24:24)

Or Demian Fierro, who was 10 at the time and was one of the first ones to discover the broken bike in the road.

Demian Fierro (24:33)

There was. There was some stuff in the road, her shoe. There was a bike, of course, some hair, a watch. And me and Rick were actually the first ones on the scene. So we went further down and jumped out and took a look, kind of, because there was some tire. There was some tire tracks further down the road. Right where they turned around, you could tell they turned around. So we went home and called. We made the call. We ended up walking back up to the scene. At that time, I was trying to give him as much information as possible that I had. There's nothing more I could do, which I wish, you know, there was, but I had people at school, you know, somehow caught wind of it, and they would blame me. Oh, you had something to do with it. You know, it was. It was. It wasn't cool.

Amanda Knox (25:24)

But like I said before, the story we were planning on telling you when we first started investigating in 2023 is a very different one today, in 2025. Which means how we tell it to you is also very different, because what holds weight now is not the same as then. So instead, in this series, I'll be focusing on what you need to know to understand how we ended up where we are today. How so many lives got tangled up in one of the most devastating and high profile cases to ever hit the Big Island. Coming up on this season of three.

Ian Schweitzer (26:07)

There were no winners.

Amanda Knox (26:08)

There were no winners in this entire situation.

Sean Schweitzer (26:11)

When all these first start happening, I thought, these guys gotta be fucking joking. This isn't a joke. You guys gotta come to your senses at some point and figure out that it ain't us. But no, I guess not. It's if you want it, you want it, you're gonna. You're gonna push to have it.

Ken Lawson (26:26)

So somebody's lying, right? Go back and look. I had the students that don't read the transcripts read the police reports. The transcripts aren't going to tell you what's not in evidence, what's not. The transcript's going to tell you what came in the evidence, not all the shit that didn't come in. You have to read the police reports, go back to the police reports, read them carefully, and that's how you start reinvestigating the case.

Amanda Knox (26:50)

That's next in chapter two, which you can listen to right now.