Arian Foster Talks Running Backs, Playing with Matt Acting, Microdosing and Improper Benefits

Summary

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Throwbacks with Matt Leinart & Jerry Ferrara

Episode: Arian Foster Talks Running Backs, Playing with Matt, Acting, Microdosing and Improper Benefits
Date: October 16, 2025

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Overview

In this lively episode, Matt Leinart and Jerry Ferrara welcome former All-Pro running back Arian Foster for a wide-ranging conversation that bounces from NFL locker room stories to college football’s NIL revolution, the intricacies of coaching youth sports, life after football, acting in Hollywood, and some good-natured Barstool Sports drama. The show balances nostalgia, real talk about the state of modern football, and plenty of humor, all while spotlighting Arian’s sharp perspective and the camaraderie among all three.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. College Football Rivalries and Betting Antics

(03:34 - 05:33)

• Matt dons his old USC jersey ahead of USC-Notre Dame, highlighting the intensity and playoff ramifications of the rivalry.
  • “USC hasn’t beaten Notre Dame since 2011 at Notre Dame. I think there’s going to be some rain in this game…It’s elimination game for both teams.” — Matt Leinart (02:50)
• The guys riff on jersey-wearing, playful bets (involving Dave Portnoy/Barstool), and the gravity of rivalry weeks.

2. The New York Giants’ Surprising Surge

(05:33 - 09:54)

• Jerry marvels at the Giants’ energy thanks to new faces like QB Jackson Dart and RB Cam Scatterboo.
  • “He’s injected a crazy energy into that team in that city. You have Hope and Scatter Boo…It’s fun. Football is fun to watch. The Giants are fun to watch.” — Matt Leinart (07:05)
• The duo discusses the hope and realism surrounding the franchise amid fan euphoria.
  • “We got our guy. Now does he stay healthy? I hope, I hope they don’t—like, Brian D—doesn’t give him his ‘QB draw’ as soon as he leaves the blue tent!” — Jerry Ferrara (06:37)

3. Introducing Arian Foster

(10:00 - 10:25)

• Matt gives a tongue-in-cheek, star-studded intro: “Former All-Pro NFL rushing leader…host of the microdosing podcast with Barstool…thought-provoking, original, and better than J. Cole’s KOD...NFL script unraveler..."

4. Locker Room Memories & Rookie Hazing

(11:10 - 12:42)

• Arian reflects on rookie shows, rapping at team meetings, and the camaraderie forged through playful rituals.
  • “So, like, I just wrote a verse about the…the scheme, coaches, players, and it was a hit.” — Arian Foster (11:10)

5. “The Saddest Day of My Life” – Matt & Arian’s Texans Memories

(12:51 - 14:58)

• The infamous 2011 Texans season: Matt’s collarbone injury, Arian’s thoughts on when their team was Super Bowl-ready.
  • “If either of our Matts stay healthy, I think we make a serious run at the Super Bowl for real…that, to me, was the best chance at winning the Super Bowl. So I blame you.” — Arian Foster (13:24)
  • “Dude, I freaking throw in a screen…I got…wrapped up and landed and broke it…One of the saddest days of my life.” — Matt Leinart (14:42)

6. The Cold Reality of Earning Your NFL Shot

(15:44 - 16:40)

• Arian recounts his rookie year, almost getting cut after a fumble, then redeeming himself with standout performances.
  • “My coach comes to me, goes, ‘Hey, you got one more shot. If you put the ball on the ground, you don’t show up, we’re gonna have to let you go.’” — Arian Foster (16:00)

7. Fans, Fantasy Football, and Changing Perspectives

(16:49 - 17:35)

• Arian’s relationship with fantasy football fans—a path from resenting to appreciating their engagement.
  • “80-year-old grandmas come up to you, ‘You run my fantasy team.’… So they would have never even known who you were, but they develop an appreciation for you.” (16:57)

8. What Retired Players Miss & The Brotherhood

(17:35 - 18:07)

• “It’s just the fellows…The locker room, joking… That never goes away.” — Arian Foster (17:38)

9. Life After Football: Coaching and Identity

(23:36 - 25:44, 27:40 - 30:42)

• Arian discusses stepping away from the game, not watching for years, and rediscovering joy via coaching youth teams.
  • “Watching as an ex-employee...it’s like work, almost. It wasn’t until I decompressed after the career…now I can start to enjoy the game again from a fan’s perspective.” — Arian Foster (23:36)
  • His coaching philosophy is rooted in empathy—no “military BS,” but honest belief in kids: “He needs someone to believe in him, not a drill sergeant...how we react to his mistakes matters.” (27:41)
  • “I would rather have them learn than be great soldiers.” (28:15)

10. The Running Back Evolution and the Modern NFL

(30:42 - 35:39)

• The running back’s role isn’t dead, even in a pass-first league:
  • “When it comes down to ‘cold weather football’…it will always come down to who runs the ball best and who plays the best defense. It’s always about what’s going on in them trenches.” — Arian Foster (31:25)
• Insightful breakdown of zone schemes vs. other running systems and why patience is key:
  • “Your path … will block the second level. Maintaining my track and my stride was very conducive to that scheme… But I feel that scheme didn’t utilize me in the way I think was best...my hands were my best asset.” (33:02, 35:39)

11. Most Inspiring Running Backs (Wendy’s Fresh Take)

(38:43 - 39:07)

• Arian lists his favorite to watch:
  • “Barry Sanders…Eric Dickerson, I modeled my game after him…And a San Diego legend—LaDainian Tomlinson.” (38:43)

12. Acting in Hollywood: Draft Day, Audition Stories & Chadwick Boseman

(41:30 - 44:28)

• Arian recounts auditioning (and nearly landing Chadwick’s role) in Draft Day and why he chose not to grind in Hollywood.
  • “Acting’s always been something I’ve done…They had good actors who didn’t look the part or guys that looked the part who couldn’t act…They had me read for Chadwick’s part too. That was dope.” — Arian Foster (42:23)
  • “If you don’t love it, you won’t really get through…You gotta have love or you’ll just walk after a million people tell you no.” — Jerry Ferrara (44:30)

13. Life After Stardom: Searching for Identity & Worth

(45:01 - 46:25)

• The abrupt transition out of football, and how society treats “old” athletes.
  • “It’s a very weird feeling because you can’t just roll over and die…this is not a society that loves aging people or washed athletes. You have to find ways to find worth…That’s been an interesting journey.” — Arian Foster (45:01)

14. Name, Image, and Likeness (NIL), Improper Benefits & The NCAA

(47:54 - 51:14)

• Arian’s ahead-of-his-time candor about taking improper benefits and advocating for NIL:
  • “I went to go speak…Richard Sherman and Larry Fitzgerald were there. They were like, ‘Why would you say that, man, you’re messing it up for younger cats?’ I said, ‘No! I’m trying to help get them paid, bro.'” — Arian Foster (48:39 - 49:10)
  • “If everybody stood up and said something, they would change the rules. Exactly what ended up happening.” (49:41)
  • Matt’s only offer: $10k to sign photos at a hotel. “My brother was like, ‘Get the out of here.’ That was the only time.” (53:15)

15. Microdosing Podcast, Barstool, and Golf Grudges

(57:10 - 58:57)

• Arian and the guys joke about Barstool’s Ryder Cup, picking teams, and Arian’s approach if he were captain.
  • “They pick horrible captains…picking all the homeboys. I’m picking Frankie first—he’s the best golfer.” (57:39)

16. NFL & Pop Culture Wrap-Up

(59:51 – 71:22, with Annie Agar)

• Annie Agar joins for witty NFL banter and Twisted Tea trivia. The group debates MVP favorites and NFL narratives, trading laughs on obscure football trivia, and playfully discussing the Giants’ rollercoaster fandom.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On the NFL locker room:

  • “It’s just the fellows… That never goes away.” — Arian Foster (17:38)

• On the running back position:

  • “It will always come down to who runs the ball best and who plays the best defense.” — Arian Foster (31:25)

• On college amateurism:

  • “I go back to my dorm…with my jersey, and I got nothing in my fridge. I’m like, ‘Dog, this isn’t right.’” — Arian Foster (50:14)

• On identity after sports:

  • “You have to find ways to find worth, find ways to find self-love… That’s been an interesting journey.” — Arian Foster (45:38)

• On acting and effort:

  • “I don’t have the interest in grinding it…because I get it. Why should you?” — Arian Foster (44:28)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• USC-Notre Dame Rivalry & Jersey Antics – 02:50
• Giants Surge/Energy Talk – 07:05
• Texans 2011/Leinart Injury – 13:24; 14:42
• Rookie Hazing & Locker Room Raps – 11:10
• Fantasy Football Relationship – 16:57
• Coaching Youth Football Philosophy – 27:41; 28:15
• Running Back Role Analysis – 31:25
• Zone Scheme Breakdown – 33:02; 35:39
• Favorite RBs to Watch – 38:43
• Draft Day & Acting Stories – 42:23
• Life After NFL/Identity – 45:38
• NIL & NCAA Stance – 48:39; 49:41
• Barstool Ryder Cup (Golf) – 57:39
• NFL Trivia With Annie Agar – 59:51

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Tone & Style

The episode is equal parts hilarious, reflective, and sharp-edged—blending locker room ribbing, real emotion about the roller coaster of football life, and some honest social commentary. Matt, Jerry, and Arian feel at turns like old teammates catching up, and at others like sports media pros dissecting the NFL’s present and future.

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Transcript

[A]

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[B]

Was it enjoyable when you're sitting there watching guys just like bomb a karaoke song? You that bored at camp?

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

You definitely that bored at camp.

[D]

I had to sing Nick Lachey's song because everyone made fun of me that we were friends and I had to sing Paris Hilton's song for obvious reasons.

[A]

You had to do two songs.

[D]

Two songs, bro. In Arizona.

[A]

Why'd you have to do the Paris Hilton one? I don't.

[B]

Good follow up Aryan. Why?

[D]

Matt, you could google that we hung out a little bit back in the day.

[A]

Oh, you used to. I didn't know that. I wasn't familiar with the.

[B]

Welcome in everybody throwbacks show. Don't forget to follow us on all social media platforms at throwbacks show on YouTube. Throwback show. Give us that subscribe. I know sometimes you guys don't want to hit the subscribe button. Smash.

[D]

Yes. Let's go. Give us a like subscribe.

[B]

Good. Tell us what you want.

[D]

Tell us what you want us to talk about. You know.

[B]

Well, I want to point out in a few minutes we got the great Arian Foster joining us with Annie Agar later in the show doing some more twisted tea trivia. But I would be at fault not to say that I think we had a big week, Matt, you and I with our. With two things very near and dear to our heart as he puts on. What kind of red is that considered? That's a crimson. What is. What kind of red is that? Still fits. Was that game worn or no?

[D]

It's a little tight. It's a little tight.

[B]

You didn't put pads under there. That's not a game. That's not game worn. Right.

[D]

Well, the only reason why I'm putting this jersey on because this will be the jersey that I believe Dave Portnoy will wear this weekend on big noon kickoff since USC kicked his team's ass and he was talking all week. Really, for three weeks now. We'll see.

[A]

We'll see.

[D]

There's a little bit of a technicality in this bet. We'll see what happens. But this is going to be the jersey. It will fit him like a dress perfectly. Since he has his tail between his legs already. But yeah, man.

[B]

We should talk to Aryan about. Because he's a barstool guy.

[D]

Aryan, we should curious what Aryan thinks about it. Also this. You know how I feel about wearing jerseys, bro. This does not.

[B]

I don't feel comfortable. That's your own. That's different.

[D]

This is my own also. It's usc, Notre Dame week. Huge rivalry. And I'm just gonna look this game. They've dominated this game in this series. Really the last, I think six of the last seven games. USC hasn't beaten Notre Dame since 2011 at Notre Dame. I think there's going to be some rain in this game. It's a. It's a massive week. We've talked about the history on the show. We had Brady Quinn, my boy on last year talking about this game. I'm excited for it for this reason. It's elimination game for both teams. It's a playoff elimination game. Notre Dame has two losses. They just can't lose another one the rest of the year. USC could lose this and still make a run and win out, but that schedule is still really difficult. So a lot at stake, which makes this game even better, man.

[B]

So, yeah, you win this game, Matt, your Trojans win this game, you pretty much end Notre Dame's season. And then you were. You were in pole position for a playoff spot as long as nothing.

[D]

Well, yeah, I mean, that's what like winning that. Winning that Illinois game would have been huge.

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

Going into this game undefeated because 10 and 2. USC is probably in the playoff. I just don't think they can lose. I don't think they can beat Oregon on the road. I don't know Nebraska on the road, so. But it's a big one, man. I, I will be locked in. You know how you're locked in for your Giants.

[B]

We're finally. We're going to get a. Locked in, Matt.

[A]

All right.

[D]

I'm going to be on the couch. I'm g. Have a. I'm going be. I'm be a little sauced up. I'm already going to tell. I get home early from this weekend from big noon. I'm going to have a couple, you know, couple beverages and. And probably drink my sorrows away when it's all said and done.

[B]

Real quick, before I get to the thing that's close to my heart. You know these two teams very well. What do you think. What do you think needs to happen to win this one in order in Southback, what do you think needs to happen?

[D]

They have to play how they played against Michigan. And that was winning the line of scrimmage. Right? That was like a game that, that it started to change a little bit of the perception of usc. Like, hey, you can do this now. You can win these types of games or you could be physical. The. The problem with Notre Dame is, and they're a really good team is they're just very balanced. Michigan take away the run, force them to throw because they couldn't throw the ball. Notre Dame take away the run.

[B]

C.J.

[D]

Cars a stud. Like, they're this crazy stat. In their last four games of win streak, they're over 300 yards passing, over 200 yards rushing. They're just, they're on it. They're on a tear. That's the problem. So defense is going to have to play out of their mind. They're going to have to create turnovers. They're going to have, you know, like, football's always two or three plays a game. In particular on defense. That can just change it. They got to make those plays however that happens. And if not, I mean, the spread is nine and a half, almost double digits. Like there's a reason. So.

[B]

Well, you got to imagine too coaching, like, they understand the moment of the desperation of, like, you lose this game, fellas, playing for your. You know, it'll be over.

[D]

I mean, the story, though, the story is, is the. In football, in American football, in the United States of America, are the New York Football Giants.

[B]

Makes me so uncomfortable, but also so happy.

[D]

How do you not love that dynamic duo of Jackson Dart and Cam Scatter?

[B]

So a couple of things, Matt, you and I were texting. I'm gonna take that jersey off, too.

[D]

So you keep talking.

[B]

We were, we were texting about the bets. Right. I think the Eagles were laying seven and a half. The Giants haven't beaten NFC east team in like 10 games, let alone. And we'll talk about the prime time thing. So I liked the Giants to cover. They really got up for this game. They're actually playing good at home. The, the, the. I'm not getting ahead of myself. Like, I'm not thinking playoffs like everybody. Yeah. I'm not saying, oh, we're a playoff team. Maybe they sneak in. I doubt it. I'm not saying, oh, this team's gonna win a super. All I'm saying is we got our guy. Yeah, we got the guy. Now does he stay healthy? I hope, I hope they don't like Brian D. Doesn't give him.

[D]

He's got a place draw as soon.

[B]

As he leaves the blue tent, but they ran the ball the minute he comes out of the blue tent. The next play was like a QB draw.

[D]

Like, we don't know if he was. I mean, he could, that could have been like a leg. That could have been anything. He, he probably just got a little dinged up. Just go check it out. He's got to stay healthy. He's got to learn. He's got to learn how to play that position but also utilize his strengths. He's not built like Josh Allen. He's. Jackson's a big kid, but he's not that. He's not built like Josh Allen. He's not as, not as, like, slippery as Lamar Jackson, but he's a runner and that's one of his strengths. They have to figure out how. And that takes time. You learn how to take hits, you learn how to duck hits, you learn how to get out. But I mean, he's, he's injected a crazy energy into that team in that city. You have Hope and Scatter Boo. I don't know how long Scatter Boo is going to play football for because he's just, he's on a different level, but he's given, I mean, equally to the quarterback. Who would have ever thought Cam Scatter, the running back fourth round pick would give the same amount of juice and injection and just like, it's just fun. Like it's, it's, it's. Football is fun to watch. The Giants are fun to watch. And now win or lose, everybody's going to be tuned in to watch them play because of those two guys. And also we've talked about this, man. Like, like you still got a lot of, you still got guys that are paid, paid on that team. Like you still have NFL caliber guys. They've proven that they can, they can compete with the Eagles. They proven they can compete with these teams. So again, is it a playoff team? Probably not. But at the end of the day, you win a couple more, you start to hover around.500. Like, like this season is bananas. Like, who's the best team in the N. We don't know. I mean, the Giants, like, like, they're, they're, they're fun, man. They're fun.

[B]

Well, I'll, I'll wrap it up with this. Okay? Joe Shane absolutely hit on the draft. You and I were at the draft, okay? And we, I loved the dart pick. I mean, think about the draft. Abdul Carter, Jackson Dart, Cam Scatter Boo and RD tackle Adonis. I'm slipping on it. Like that's potentially a franchise altering draft. And you still make it a good pick next year. Right. Because The Giants still may 6 and 11. We still might have a top 10 pick. And you know, Joe Shane brought Brian Burns over, who's leading the league I think in sacks. The Giants.

[D]

Yeah. Burns and Abdul Carter on the same side a couple times in that game. It's like, yeah, you have to build around dude.

[B]

Like you have to pick one guy you're going to try to stop and then that other guy is going to come around. So to me there's hope and I'll end with this. The reason why Giant fans are losing their mind, obviously we have a quarter they haven't won. Daniel Jones, God bless him, awesome year. And this stat is not on him. One in 15 in prime time games, that is Thursday night, Monday night, Sunday night. We've won one time before last Thursday in like six years. Do you know how fun it is to win at night? You've won a lot of games in your career.

[D]

Guess who's got the best record in the NFL? Danny Jones.

[B]

Danny Jones. So I'm containing myself and not making any bold predictions, but the vibes, they are high.

[D]

They are high.

[B]

And let's get to someone else who has some high vibes. Let's take it away, Matt.

[D]

All right, today, our guest, my guy, former all pro NFL rushing leader, four time pro Bowler, the host of the microdosing podcast with barstool. The New York Times called his album album Flamingo and Koval dazzling, breathtaking. I did not know this about you, by the way.

[A]

I didn't know.

[D]

Thought provoking, original and better than J. Cole's KOD an nil pioneer who's the only athlete to ever take money in college. The star of draft day. He's the man who unveiled the NFL script to the world. And most importantly, God, he's my former teammate. We welcome on Arian Foster. What up, my guy?

[A]

What's up my, my dog? What's going on, baby? I didn't know half of that you said.

[B]

Half of that you said look up New York Times.

[D]

Yeah, I was like, I was like this fool had a, like I didn't even realize you were just this music mogul, dude.

[A]

I do my thing, you know, I, I, I have, I had passions outside of the, the gridiron.

[D]

I literally texted, I texted Orlovsky this week. I said, hey, what do you remember about Aaron? He's coming on the pot and he goes, man, ask him about how he used to rap in front of the team meetings. That's what he said.

[A]

He's exaggerating about how many times I did it, but I did do a. You know how you have to do rookie shows? Yeah.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

So I had to do rookie show, and I don't. I mean, dudes was up there dancing this. I didn't. It's not my vibe. So, like, I just wrote a verse about the.

[D]

The.

[A]

The. The scheme, the coaches, the players, and it was. It was a hit. It was. It was pretty dope.

[B]

Can I ask you guys something then while we're at. Before we move to other things. I used to love watching the rookie show on, like Hard Knocks and stuff, but at some point it just became very uncomfortable because there was so many young rookies getting up there that had no other talent other than football. At least Aryan has talent. Like, was it enjoyable when you're sitting there watching guys just like bomb a karaoke song or, like, do some weird dance? Is that really entertaining? Are you that bored at camp?

[A]

It's kind of like a. Yeah, you definitely.

[D]

Yeah. Camp's long, bro.

[A]

Yeah. And I don't know how it is nowadays. Everything's kind of different now, but when we was there. Yeah, it gets boring. Boring. There's nothing. Nothing to do. And it's entertaining seeing guys struggle up there. Yeah, it gets. It's. It's kind of. It's like. It's like a rite of passage too, you know, like everybody has to do it.

[D]

I think we used to throw, like, we used to throw watered up paper balls at. I think Houston is what we used to do. Just get up, boo. Get off the stage if you were shitty. I had to sing. I had to sing Nick Lachey's song because everyone made fun of me that we were friends and I had to sing Paris Hilton song, you know? You had to do two songs for obvious reasons. Yeah. Two songs, bro. In Arizona. They got me good.

[A]

Why'd you have to do the Paris Hilton one?

[B]

I don't a good follow up, Arian.

[D]

I mean, why Matt? You could Google that. We hung out a little bit back in the day.

[A]

Oh, you used to. I didn't know that. I'm not. I wasn't familiar with the game. Okay. So USC Trojan life was different, man. Damn.

[D]

We. I mean, we did it. We. We had a good run, bro.

[A]

Absolutely.

[B]

Aaron, I want to see if you're familiar with this and test your memory real quick. Okay.

[A]

All right.

[B]

November 27, 2011 Texans defeat the Jaguars. 2013. Yeah. Do you remember who your starting quarterback was?

[A]

Yeah, it was Matt Lyer. And he got hurt, man, Saddest day of my life. Collarbone. I think he broke your collarbone?

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

10 for 1357 yards and a TD. Now, I asked Matt because I looked up your numbers and you had seven catches for 24 yards. I was like, checking it down.

[D]

Like, no, no, I only played a half. I barely played a half.

[A]

Yep, yep. I was that year. I tell people all the time, if we have a healthy. No disrespect to TJ Yates, but he was a rookie quarterback. If Matt. If either of our mats stayed healthy, I think we make a serious run at the super bowl for real. Because we were so stacked on all. Both sides of the ball. Top three offense. Very, very good defense. I think Mario Williams got hurt that year, too. That, to me, was my best chance at winning the super bowl was that year. And then. So I blame you.

[D]

It was literally the. I would say, because my career that I was telling Jerry, I said it was the most ready I felt my rookie year, I played well. And then, you know, Arizona happened, and then I go to Houston and, you know, Coop Kubiak was amazing, man. He took care of us. And that system was so great for quarterbacks. Like, Shanahan's still running it now, and it just fit my style. And it was. I was telling him, I was like, dude, it's the best I ever felt in the league where I was, like, ready to go. I was like, man, this team is great. I got, obviously, Aaron, you got these receivers. Our D was nasty. And I'm like, I'm going to get like, this is my. My chance to get a big deal. Like, I was locked in. And then, dude, I freaking throw in a screen. I don't even remember it was a screen to you. Yeah. And I threw it away. And I got just. I got like, you know, like, wrapped up and landed and broke it right before. It was the saddest day. One of the saddest days of my life. Dude. Dude, honestly, it was like, you don't.

[A]

Get hurt in today's NFL on that play.

[D]

I know, right?

[A]

They'll ease up on you. They would have eased up on you.

[D]

It wasn't. Yeah, I was so. I was so mad, but I was telling him. I'm like, that was the most fun. Houston was the most fun I've ever had in football.

[B]

We talk about Houston a lot. I area I'm a big. Well, I was a big fantasy football guy. Not as much anymore because I just can't take the injuries. But I was in on you. I want to say before anyone. I. I caught you right around now I'm looking because I had it looked up. Okay. All I know is I started you, your rookie year in a Super bowl, which was week fit my Super Bowl, Week 15 against them. Because the previous week you kind of went off. And if you're starting to get the ball a little more and then I start you in the super bowl, they give ryan moats, like 18 carries, man. You only got the ball two. You had two carries in that game.

[A]

I think it was St. Louis against.

[B]

St. Louis against St. Louis, and you won the game and you only. I was like, I thought for sure my guy was.

[A]

No, the reason why is because I was a rookie. I remember I was a rookie and I. They pulled me up from the practice squad and they were like, all right, because, you know, I was getting busy on practice squad and they pulled me up and the dude made just an amazing play. I. I catch the balls on a little. Check that. Catch the ball. I turn, I tuck it. It's high and tight. And the dude made just a textbook. He punched the ball out and it was just textbook. It was a textbook, man. So I was like, there was nothing I could. That was just. It was a great play. But he gets paid too, you know. And so we. I got. Get off the field. They're like, you know, leave him out. He's not. He's not. He's not coming back in. And so that week, though, my coach comes to me, goes, hey, you got one more shot. This is it. He's like, if you, if you, if you put the ball ground, you don't show up. He said, we're going to have to let you go. I was like, all right. So the next week we played Miami, I got off. And then the next week I got off again.

[D]

So there you go, Jerry. For about 15 years, you've been waiting to hear the answer why.

[B]

I got my answer. That cost me a super. That cost me a fantasy chip.

[A]

Not that.

[B]

Don't you love when fantasy football dudes were like, arian, that must. I mean, that must be the weirdest thing. When fans are talking about now it's different because it's gambling. Yeah. Do you hate it?

[A]

No. I used to hate it, but I have. I didn't have a lot of foresight when I was younger. When I was younger, it was all about the humanity of it. Like, people didn't see the humanity of you. And I used to hate that part of it. But as I, as I got a little older, I understood like it helped grow the game to a, you know, a global market. People enjoy it. 80 year old grandmas come up to you say, you run my fantasy team. Young kids come up to you say. And so like they develop an appreciation for you, whereas if you're not in their market, they're not going to watch you. So they would have never even known who you were. But they could appreciate, you know, your production on the field from. In a different way. So I ended up appreciating it towards the end of my career.

[D]

What do you. What do you miss most about football?

[A]

It's just the fellows. You know what I'm saying? Just the locker room joking. Anytime I get up with guys, it's like this.

[D]

Remember ended, right?

[A]

Yeah. It's like I remember when I saw you randomly as. Shit I seen you. I was doing press run for draft day and I was like, what the fuck are you doing here? And he was interviewing me and it was just like, you light up when you see one of you guys that used to bleed and sweat with. And grind with it. It's just like that never goes away. It never goes away anywhere.

[D]

Dude, did you play? You. You didn't play Boo Ray with us. You were never.

[A]

You, you. I played. But y', all, y'. All, y' all used to do a lot. I was more of a Jerry.

[D]

We would play. We would be. I. I swear to God, we would be taking shits in the bathroom, dropping cards. Dropping cards under the stall, playing Bou Ray. We were so. Me. Shop Dan. Who else was in that? Myers. All those guys.

[A]

See, see when you got there, man, I hadn't got no money yet, so I will. I was not paid after I. I ended up.

[D]

Yeah, I ended up doing one of the safeties. Still owes me like three grand. Dude, I f. I. He didn't have. I was pissed.

[A]

I couldn't.

[D]

And then I got cut.

[A]

Yo, Yalls. Yalls games. I. I used to go back there in the plains. Them games used to get up to like them pots. Used to be. I'm an undrafted free agent. I'm like, bro, I'm not with that. That's. Yeah, dude.

[D]

The wor. The best one was. I'll never forget. And Sha was the worst because sh. Shabby was paid. Shabby would bring like 10 stacks like on the plane, just catch. Boom. At least. And like, you know, Dre would play and obviously Dre had his money and all these guys. And it would be me, Da. Dave Anderson, who was, you know, making probably league minimum. And we would play and one time, Da got booed for like 14 grand or 15 grand and, like, stayed in the game because he got it. He got fucked.

[C]

And.

[D]

And I swear to God, Aaron, we were like. He started almost crying, dude. And I was like, we actually felt bad. We were like, I think we made him pay, like, $3,000. But it was like, I was like, bro, you can't play this game anymore, man. Like, it was. It was rough.

[A]

That's why. That's why I don't. I never did it.

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You know what's always interesting to me? I talked to Matt about this too. And you know, players who played the game their whole lives retire. Like how much actual football do you still watch? You know, I mean I'm sure you watch but like. Or have you even been to a game? Like what's the last. Have you been to a football game since you retired?

[A]

There was, there was a good, I say seven, eight year stretch where I just never really watched any football. There was nothing. It just, it. Because I mean watching it as a, as an ex employee, it's almost. It's. It's like work almost and then, and then it's not. It wasn't enjoyable for me because like, how we watch the game is not how the normal person watches the game. We're breaking down the game. Why would he want to say, what coverage are they in? Why would he blitz there? What are you doing here? It's third and six. You got to do the. And that's just stressful. It's work, you know, it's work. And it wasn't until I kind of decompressed after. After the career, and I'm starting to enjoy the game again. From a fan's perspective, it's. It's. It's getting more enjoyable. This year, I decided to. To coach a little league team. And that's really fun for me. Kind of getting back to the basics and where it started, but also kind of frustrating, too. Cause I'm like.

[D]

I'm like, coach of that age.

[A]

Yeah. I was like, no, you gotta. You gotta scrape up to the linebacker. They're. We can't even go on two. I'm asking them to do double blocks. It's just. It's frustrating for them. But it's also. That's the pure part of the game where they're doing it just because they want to, you know, get out and have fun and yada, yada. But, you know, we're doing well. And. But from my perspective, football is always going to be like. It was like, a refuge for me. And so I'm glad I'm getting to the point now where I could watch and enjoy the game. Just to enjoy it.

[D]

I feel like, too. It's like I was telling Jerry, I've probably been to three games since I retired in, like, 13, and for the same reason, I just. I just want probably part of me, too. It's like, what could have been? Like, damn it. Like, I should have. I should have been better. I could have done this. I could have done that. You know, there's always some regret, and I'm happy, you know, obviously. But I think, too, as our kids get older, is now what I'm starting to see. Like, my boys are into it, and I'm like, all right. I'm starting to become a fan. You know, some of the guys, plus two, like, all our boys are damn near, like, retired. Like, I don't really have any friends. Like, I have guys, but, like, Aaron Rodgers, like, the last Mohican. I mean, I'm older than you, Aaron, but, like, he's like, the last dude, like, to keep playing. Like Flacco as well. But yeah. Yeah, it is. It is interesting.

[B]

What.

[D]

What do you. I mean, coaching, like, so have you seen Greg Olsen and Luke Keakley in the way they coach their kids teams?

[A]

I haven't.

[D]

It was, oh, my God, bro, these guys. These guys are intense. They. You got to look it up. It's freaking.

[A]

See, to be yelling and.

[D]

Well, but they teach it. But they teach it the way that you probably want. Would want your kid to be taught, because they know what they're talking about.

[A]

Yeah. See, I come with a different approach. My approach is how I wanted to be coached, right? I wanted somebody to care. I wanted somebody to teach me that was knowledgeable. But cut all that military bullshit out, because I hated that shit. Because I used to remember, first time I get to college, high school, especially high school in California was different. High school football in California was, like, from where we was at, we would talk back to the coaches, but it was like a mutual respect. It was like, I ain't doing, like. It was just. We was just. There wasn't this down south, like, yes, sir, no, sir, thing. It just wasn't a thing. And so when I first get to college, we out on the field, and he's like, motherfucker, what do you do? I looked at him like, bro, what. I was like, why are you talking to me? Like, I was, like, genuinely confused. Like, what is. Are you crazy, though? And then I go up to him after. I'm like, dog, if you need me to do something, just tell me. Like, you don't have to yell at me. Like, why are you talking to me like that? You can't take tough coaching. I'm like, I could take whatever you can give me, but there's literally no point in yelling at me like that. You wouldn't do that if we were just sitting at a bar talking. You wouldn't just start motherfucking me. Why do you feel like it's okay between these lines that make no sense? Just tell me what you want me to do, dawg. I don't miss a lot of assignments. Just tell me what you. I hated that. So with my kids. So I got a kid. I got a young kid right now who's a backup running back, but he plays a lot because our starter and running back is also the Mike linebacker. And so he plays a lot, and he's really struggling with holding onto the ball. He's had, like, five fumbles this year. And I, as an ex running back, I could relate to that. And so everybody's on his head, like, get him out of.

[D]

Get him out of.

[A]

And so I pull him to the side. I'm like, Listen, man, like, you know, I'm just talking to him like a young boy. Like, he needs somebody to believe in him. He don't need a drill sergeant. And this is youth football. Like, he's gonna remember this for a long time about how we react to his mistakes. And I'm trying, I always try to reiterate that with the coaches I'm coaching with is like, like, yo, they're 12, they're 11, they're gonna fuck up. You want them to fuck up, or else it'd be weird if they didn't fuck up. It's about us coaching those mistakes, like. And granted, like, I'm not no pushover, but at the end of the day, I would rather have them learn than to be great soldiers, you know what I mean?

[D]

How hard is it for you? Cause I deal with this with my oldest, who's gonna play college ball next year a little bit. And he's. He's also, like, he's a grown man. He's almost 19. So, like, I'm speaking to him differently than I was at probably 12. Is it hard for you at all to separate, like, Arian Foster, the football player, and what you know and what you went through when you speak to him or speak to other kids from being a dad?

[A]

I try to keep that in mind because this is somebody's son, right? But at the same time, you know, I do have kids around that age, so I gotta. I gotta 12 year old and an 11 year old, or he just turned 11. And so I understand what they need at that age. And there's. Sometimes they'll cry to try to get out of shit, right? And they'll whine or they'll complain, you know what I'm saying? They'll pout, stuff like that. And so I talk to him like I would talk to my son at that. Like, there was this one kid who hurt his leg, right? He's faking an injury because he's tired. I see this shit all the time. So he's on the ground, he's crying, he's rolling back and forth. So first I assess it to make sure nothing's wrong. And then I think some kid, like, kicked him in the leg or something like that, and he's crying like, you want. You want the good news or the bad news? I got some news for you, though. He's like. He's like, give me the good news. I said, good news is it's not broke. He's okay, give me the bad. I was like, you looking real soft right? Now you need to be that dog, right?

[B]

It's like, you know what you're doing.

[A]

Yeah. And then he laughs and he gets up because it's like, you know, sometimes, yeah, sometimes they need a little kicking ass, you know what I'm saying? But. And you got to find that balance. That's the hard part about being a coach. You gotta find that balance. But the good thing is like, you know, I have kids, I understand how to talk to my kids. But also there's a fine line between like going too hard. But like, so last game, right, we got like three of our best players that are out, right? And this game is about what he used to say, Matt, the Jimmies and Joes, not the X's and O's.

[D]

Yep.

[A]

Right. And so we just didn't have, you know, saying some kids are not gonna be professional athletes and that's okay. So. But I saw a submit em that like they almost quit at the end of the game. And that shit pissed me off. And so at the end of the game I told him, I was like, listen, I'm the coolest coach you ever gonna see. I said, and I start cussing. I was like, I was like, but that shit there I'm not gonna tolerate. I was like, y' all gotta fight. I said, you represent the names on the back of your jerseys, your peers that you banging with. I said, but you are not gonna sit here and cry. I said, this game changed my life. I said, I'll be damned if I'm gonna let y' all come out here and disrespect it. Y' all can't do that. And so like just talking to em like that, where you give them a sense of like, yo, this shit means something to some people. It might. You don't have to meet somebody. Why you here? You gonna give me what you got?

[B]

I'm curious. Cause you know, you to me were sort of an end of a generation where still, I mean, I look at your carries, a lot of 300 plus carry seasons, like the MVP kind of running back. And then it sort of went away. And I guess when you do watch now, what do you make of the running back situation today? Because the way I sort of look at it, I feel like we had these like three back situations going on now for a while. But if you look at the playoffs last year, it's Saquon, it's Jameer Gibbs, it's Kyron, it's a lot of, you know, top tier run like, yes, there's third down backs, but it wasn't like the running back by committee thing. And I'm wondering, you were one of the last, like 350 carry running backs. What you make when you do watch.

[A]

That position today, I think, I think football has done a great job at marketing. This is a passing league. They do a good job. And it is a passing league. Right? But I think when it comes down to what we call cold weather football, and when it matters, it will always come down to who runs the ball the best and who plays the best defense. It always comes down to that. You'll hear coaches harp on that all day long. And so, like, passing will always sell the tickets and it's all good, but it's always about what's going on in them trenches. And I think people that don't really know the game view it like that. And so the running backs aging out or whatever the case may be. I just never have seen the game like that. If you look at, if you look at Peyton Manning, Super Bowls, if you look at Tom Brady's Super Bowls, if you look at Aaron Rodgers, Super Bowls, they got somebody toting a rock in the cold weather in the late December games on into January. It's like that every year.

[D]

I would like you to explain to our listeners in the best you can, because I was very much. And I'm not saying this is what you were by any means, but I'm saying I was very. I very much fit in the system of what we did in Houston, right? The Shanahan, the, like, west coast was usc. That's. That's where I thrived. You know, I wasn't throwing the ball deep, all these things. You were an absolute perfect fit in that system, the stretch zone and all that. Like, just like Terrell Davis was with Elway and Denver. How, how would you explain that to just the average viewer of what makes that maybe, maybe the different running type of systems and why you thrive so much in what that system was?

[A]

I think I would respectfully disagree, but I understand what you're saying here. This is, this is.

[D]

Oh, I don't know. I'm not saying you're a system. I'm just saying I know that you thrived in that system and I didn't see you in another one, you know.

[A]

No, I'm not. I'm not even talking. I'm even talking about me, right? So I'm talking about, like, just in general, like, that that system has a lot of success, and it has a lot of success because of the players that played in it, right? So like, they'll have like a guy that's good every now and then, but there's, there's. There's a guy that has a thousand yards in every system every year. Yeah. You know, but in this specific system, I think it's just, it's just very noticeable that it's a, it's a zone scheme and it's, it's, it's very beautiful when it's executed. And so I think it's a little, I think it's a little bit more recognized. So like, you know, the down and around schemes, the pull and guard shit, that's a, that's, that's also a schem that people do very well in. Right. But I think it gets, I guess again, I think, I think people. There has been some success from some, like, guys you didn't expect, but they were still ballers. Right. Like Terrell Davis was a baller. Right. But to answer your question, I do believe that it is a beautiful system. I think that they, the way they coached it was phenomenal. Kubiak, both the Shanahans. Kyle Shanahan was the reason why I was in the league When I was a rookie and they were thinking about cutting me before they put me on practice squad, he stood up for me like, no, no, I need him. Keep him here. Keep him here. All the scouts came up to me. I was like, kyle's the reason why you're here. And then, and then when I finally got my opportunity, he kept feeding me. So, like, I got all the love and respect for Kyle. But that, but to make your. To. I mean, to answer your question, I think what makes that so beautiful is like, you have to be a very patient runner. And so a lot of times, guys, problems with running up in the open field is they get a little antsy and they get a little quick. You know, they just want to make a decision and go when, when the line blocks beautifully. Your path, what I was always taught, your path will block the second level. Right. So maintaining my track and I think my stride was very conducive to that scheme because it's, it's. Have a long stride and I'll take a long stride and all of a sudden I can change directions really fast so that that running style fits really, really well. But I, I feel like, I feel like that's. That scheme did not utilize me in the way that I think was. Was best. So, like, I, I did play under Bill o' Brien after Kublev also had a thousand yards.

[D]

Oh, that's right. Yeah.

[A]

But, but more importantly, and this is why I was so upset, he realized like all my skill set. I felt like my hands were best asset.

[D]

Oh, hell yeah.

[A]

And Coops offense really never really utilized that. He didn't have a lot of plays. He tried towards the end. He started like, hold on. He could actually. So he split me out some. You'll never see that in his offenses. Right. Kind of how Kyle uses Christian McCaffrey. Yeah. Ku started to do that. It was kind of new. It wasn't really a thing that he did. But Bill o', Brien, he. I was during, during training camp, I was going one on one with our number one corner and putting in work like. But I ended up getting hurt. So I didn't get a chance to do that in the games. But I was extremely excited about that. But.

[D]

And here I was just throwing you screen passes. Come on, man.

[A]

Well, that's what I'm saying. So like my first two years.

[D]

No, I get what you're saying.

[A]

Yeah. My first two years of actually being a starter, I had like 600 yards receiving all on checkdowns, like on both ears. It's crazy.

[B]

TJH threw you seven of them when Matt left the game, apparently.

[D]

Shout out to toes. Yeah, he coached the Falcons. He's the coach for, for Pennix over there. Cousins. Yeah. I think, I think just watching you in that system, it, like you said, was beautiful. That's the point I was making. I was like. Because the patience like you said, and your ability and I forgot about this, but your ability like that, that one cut and just get up field was like, I think, I mean the best thing you did, at least in my experience with you in those two years, I was like, holy shit. You know, because I came from a shitty ass running team. We had Edgeron who was great. Edron was at the tail end. But we couldn't. I mean the year we went to the super bowl, we were ranked 32nd in the country. Like we just couldn't run the ball. But to get to that and see that the way that was coached and the whole thing for me was like, God damn. Like this is how football should be played. Like, that was, that was great to watch, man.

[A]

No, it was, it was dope, man. I took that like so, like when you see like so Saquon actually reached out to me not too long ago. He was like, what do you think made your zone so successful? Like, and that was really dope because he's like the best in the game right now.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

But like also shows that He's a student at the game and he studies, studies tape. And so like when younger cats reach out and stuff like that, like the clinics we put on in Houston with the zone scheme reverberates throughout this game. And that's what I could appreciate. Like, I've had a coach, one of my quarterback coaches in college, he reached out to me randomly and he was like, hey, we're teaching the zone scheme. We used your film in Houston. I was like, that shit's dope, man. That shit's dope.

[D]

Hell yeah, bro.

[B]

I, I can't, I can't get off the football topic just yet. We do every week are Wendy's segment. So I'm gonna use our. My last football question for you on our fresh take of the week presented by Wendy's. Wake up at Wendy's Breakfast Aryan. Who are three running backs that are your favorite to watch? Could be past or present, Just your personal favorite. It's not a goat list. This is not a mile. This is just Arian Foster's three favorite running backs you love to watch.

[A]

That's a great question. I would probably say Barry Sanders, first of all. I mean, that's just insane. I don't think, I don't think I'll ever see another athlete like that. Eric Dickerson. I think Eric Dickerson was just so beautiful to watch. I modeled a lot of my.

[D]

He had the stride too. Yeah.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I modeled my game after him. And I think another San Diego legend would be Ledani Thomason.

[B]

We don't talk about LT enough since.

[A]

He retired a thousand percent. I think it's just because he was quiet and didn't say much and just went out about a business. But he was absolutely one of the best athletes to play in NFL.

[D]

Very. LT and Ed.

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So now, selfishly, I want to throw this over to a field that I know a little more about than football entertainment. I still ride or die for Draft Day. I like Draft Day. It's a damn good movie. What. What was that process for you like? Like, did you have to go through multiple. Maddie auditioned for train for Draft Day as well. So. Okay, you know, how does.

[D]

That's why. That's why I was doing that. That's why I was doing that press junket.

[A]

You about to be Bo Callahan?

[D]

No, I was about to be Brian. Brian. What was his name? Brian Drew.

[A]

Oh, the. It was a day I forget.

[B]

No, Brian Drew was the quarterback that was going to get replaced by the rookie quarterback that they were going to draft.

[A]

It's been a while since I watched it. Yeah, yeah.

[B]

But where are you at in your life when that call comes in? And what were your expectations? Did you really want it bad? Did you just say, oh, I'm gonna play around with this and see what happens? Take us through your Draft Day experience for a second.

[A]

Acting has always been something I've always done. I was in theater class in high school. Like, I love. I've always loved. I did. I was in plays. Like, always. I loved acting. And so I had a Background in it. And I got a call from my. My business manager. He was like, yo, they're shooting this movie, and they're saying that they have guys that. That are good actors but don't look the part. And the guys that look the part can't act. And they. So they went to the NFL. There's like, do you have anybody that has some kind of acting experience? And they. And the. I forgot her name. Her name was April something. Shout out to her. She reaches out to us and she's like, would you guys want to audition? And I was like, hell, yeah. So I auditioned for the part, and this is my claim to fame. I love this because I was in a movie with Chadwick Boseman, right? And so when I got. I ended up getting the part, so I had to audition. I sent my audition tape, and they loved me. I went in, I had to read for them live, yada, yada. And so I got the part, and then they hit me back and they were like, we want you to read for this part now. And it was Chadwick Boseman's part. And so I read for that part, ended up just playing my part. But apparently this is allegedly. By the way, I don't know. That's what I was told. There was people like, yo, I think this is probably a better look, go with him here rather than Chad. I'm not saying I'm a better actor than Chad. I'm not selling. I'm just saying that's what was told to me, was there was people on both sides saying I could play that role too. So that was. That was really dope. And then I wanted to pursue acting, but I don't know, man. When you have. When you got money, it's just.

[B]

No, no, you're right. Keep going, Keep going.

[A]

So I don't have the love for it to grind. You know what I mean? Like, if I wanted to grind for, I absolutely would. Like, I would grind with grind. That's what I do. I work hard, but, like, I don't. I don't want to stand in audition lines all day. And, And, And.

[D]

And, yeah, you just want that given to you right away. That's how. That's.

[B]

Oh, I like what Aryan's saying.

[A]

I just don't have the interest in grinding it because I get it.

[D]

Why should you?

[A]

I just. It is. I would rather go. And then. I'm really. I'm grinding at golf now, though.

[B]

You know that's what I'm saying. Like, minus the. Minus the, like, physical danger, the similarity acting has with football, again, minus the physical danger is like if you don't love it, you won't, you won't really get through. Like you gotta have love where you'll just play her walk to have a million people tell you no, you're not good enough and play around with your emotions. Like if you don't have that love, you won't sit and tolerate that. You'll be out.

[A]

Yeah. So I mean that's, that's also been the interesting part for retirement. About the same for you, Matt, but seeing a lot of my peers go through the same stuff. It's like you, you work your entire life to, to get to this destination and then you get there and then all of a sudden it's gone in a moment. And it's like everything that I was, was building to this point or everything that I, you know, attempted or worked for, it became a part of your personality. It became a part of who I was. Getting up at 5:30 in the morning when nobody wanted to get up. And then all of a sudden it's not there anymore. You have to fill that void with something. And I know a lot of guys struggle with that. I had some, I had some time where I struggle with that. But it's a very weird, like I used to, I remember being on a plane and some like 70 year old cat, you know, sitting me sitting in first class and he goes, so what do you, what do you do for a living? I said retire 32 years old, right? What? And it's just, it's, and it's a very weird feeling because you have to, can't just roll over, die. You know, you have to go do stuff. And it's, this is not a society that loves old people or aging or aging people or washed athletes. Like, this is not a society that honors that. And so you have to find ways to find worth, find ways to find self love. And that's been an interesting journey in itself. But you know, I came out on the other end, all right.

[D]

I think that, gosh, it's like, it's so true because, you know, I retired at 30, gosh, 31. And again you make money and if you were smart with it, but it's like, how do you find the passion and love? Like I was like, even still to say at 42 and I got like, I have my job on Fox and like I got a bunch of little stuff now and I finally, in the last three years have really like, hey, I'm more than like what I was in football and you were. You've been really outspoken about that. Like, football wasn't, like, didn't fulfill you in the way that other things fulfill you, which I think is so great. And the advice I give all, like, even my son, it's like, find other passions. Like, football's a great sport. It gave me everything. I love the competition. I love the. The boys. I love all that. But find. I mean, it is. It really is a very small, small piece of your life. You got to find other things that you love and passionate about and that can kind of create that self worth that you said, which I love. And that's one of the things I respect about you. So even when we played, I was always like, man, this dude is different in the way he views everything, like, in a positive way. And again, we're so young. Like, I didn't. I was just so wrapped up in, like, trying to make it and play well and stuff. But it really was a good message. I do want to shift real quick to. To nil, dude, because I didn't even really realize this about you. But, like, I know you've been open about how, you know, taking those handshakes in college, and so can we just kind of go back into that? Because I get asked all the time, and I. I'll. I'll tell you right now. Swear, like, everyone's like, how much money did you make at usc? Listen, I can't speak for other people that I played with, but I didn't take. I didn't. I was like a broke kid from Santa Ana, just, what, driving a white Ford Ranger? So how much money would you have made in today's world? I just want to know. Stop it. Stop it.

[A]

It's gay.

[D]

All right, so, by the way, that's the reaction I get from everybody.

[A]

Yeah. Because it's. That's what I'm saying. Bro, bro, bro, Stop. You stop.

[D]

What are you talking about?

[A]

Stop, stop, stop. Right. By the way.

[D]

Wait, hold on.

[B]

Put him in his place, Arian. Tell him.

[D]

I told. I told Portnoy, who I'm going to ask you about in a second. The same shit. And he looked at me the same way you're looking at me and be like, what the fuck are you talking. What do you want me to say? Go ahead.

[A]

All right, so they're in the league. When I was in the height of my career, we came out with a documentary called School the Price of College Sports. And in there, I detail how when I was in college, I took improper benefits. Right. And. And that it'd Be. It was like a storm. And they started NCA investigation. They called me, they called me. They called me, bro. They called me and I was like, the NCAA called me. It was like, hey, this is the ncaa. So and so with the ncaa, we're gonna open up an investigation on improper benefits. It was like, are you gonna cooperate? I said, nope, good luck. And my problem with the NCAA is my, and my problem with the people in general and with ex players was when I came out and said that I never, I never said, I never implicated any coaches, I never implicated any, anybody, any other players. I just said what I did. And my problem is this because I, I went to go speak. I was, it was at Harvard Business School, law School or something like that. I went to go speak, they asked me to come speak. And Richard Sherman and Larry Fitzgerald were there and we were talking. They was like, damn, folks. Like, why would you say that, man? Like, you kind of fucking it up for the younger, for the younger cats. I'm like, y' all fucking it up for the younger cats. I'm trying to help get them paid, bro. We deserve to get paid. I said, but if everybody tight lipped about the shit that happened, I was like, think about it. I told Fitz this. I was thinking about it, bro. I said, if you came out and said you took money and then Rich you came out, said they took money, Reggie come out, say take Matt come out, take him out. Everybody said, they come out, what are they going to erase the whole history of college football? No, they gonna change the rules. And that's exactly what they ended up doing. But I just did it in a time where it wasn't popular. Now everybody's saying, fuck the MCA and now everybody's getting paid. Well, it doesn't matter. But like, at the time it was not normal because everybody wanted to keep it on a hush. But the problem was, if you don't stand up to systems of any kind of injustice, this is what that, that will happen. They'll take advantage of kids. And that's what they were doing. They was making money. It used to piss me off. We used to play in these hundred thousand seat arenas, packed to the brim. I go back to my dorm when I got in, yeah, with my jersey, and I got nothing in my fridge. Like, I'm like, dog, this isn't right. You got concession stands, people making their money, you got parking attendant guys making their money. But you can tell me I don't get nothing from that. Nah, I know business. I know how this works. And it was just. It always blew my mind how Cass was so afraid to say anything because, like, if we all stood up and said something, they would change the rules. But, I mean, it's. It's water under the bridge now. But I used to get very passionate about it back in the day. Now, Matt, if you going to tell me that you never took a.

[D]

What was the. What was the cra. What was the craziest thing. You don't have to name names. I know you're not.

[A]

I don't. Still got you. They still got you shook. That's crazy. They still got you shook.

[D]

Okay, the only time I'll tell you. I'll tell you the story. I've said that.

[A]

Don't get in no NCAA violation because of me. I don't want no more banners, by the way.

[D]

I'm 42 years old. What are they gonna do to me?

[A]

That's what I said. I had Reggie on my.

[B]

Reggie.

[A]

I had Reggie on my podcast a long time ago.

[D]

Reggie's a different story.

[A]

Before I had. Before, before everybody had a podcast. I had a podcast in 2017, and I had Reggie. And we were talking about it, and I'm like, you're like, come on, bro. I know Reggie, but I don't know him. You know what I'm saying? Like, we. You know, we from the same city. Like, you know. You know, I know him in passing. We never really kicked it like that. But I'm like, dog, why did you give them your Heisman? He was like, it's a good point.

[D]

It's a good question.

[A]

He's like, you know. You know, just the right thing to. Blah, blah. I don't even remember what he said, honestly. But I was like, dog, he was your Heisman. You won it. I was like, they done had to come and take that shit from my house. Good luck with that. Like, I just. But everybody was so scared of the ncaa, though. Fuck them guys. And fuck them now. They should.

[D]

Yeah, but look what. Look what happened to USC when that all came out. They got. They almost got the death penalty, like your boy Eric Dickerson. Like, they got like. Which is dumb. I mean, I. Trust me.

[A]

What was this?

[D]

Are you going to team.

[A]

Are you going to give every team the death penalty? And we have no games. You have no more scholarships. No, it's not going to happen that. We are their product. We are their product.

[D]

Eric, you are not answering my question. My question. What's the craziest shit you saw when you were in college?

[A]

Something about with bread?

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

I mean, I Mean, it's just handshakes all the time, free meals. Come on, man, you guess. You gaslight me, dog. This is crazy.

[D]

No, I'm not. I swear to God.

[A]

No, I.

[D]

Let me tell a quick story. I'm gonna tell you a quick story real quick. And this is the dead honest truth. The only time that I got offered a significant amount of money, this is, this is all my kids, dude, I got four, I swear. I was in Orlando for the college football award show. And I was walking on the property, whatever the hotel we were at with my brother and this dude. It was kind of like a Manzel thing where Manzel, he signed all those photos, right? And he got like 10 GS or whatever. This guy offered me like 10 grand or 15 grand cash to sign like 50 photos at the. The time. And I remember. I can almost remember vividly, like we're just walking through the property. My. My brother was like, basically off. That was it. That was the only time he said, I get the out of here. I just kept walking. That was the only time. Like real, like, real stack.

[A]

So you know, you know what you remind me of? You know what you remind me of?

[D]

What?

[A]

You know, you know that, you know that kid on that little, that, that, that NCAA commercial? I didn't know nca, where he goes, where they, they get the turnover. He's like, coach, it was out of bounds. That was you, man. Said, I got 10 bands for everybody doing sign these things. And he was like, you get out of my face, man.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

That'S against the rules.

[D]

We gotta move on from this. I wanna, I wanna. Can we play? Wait, well, I wanna ask. Well, I want to ask you before. We appreciate you, bro, for, for coming on your pod. A barstool, micro dosing and. But I want to, I want to talk to you about that. But Portnoy, I want to play this clip real quick. By the way, Matt Leinert. Matt Leinert thinks I'm wearing a Matt Leinert shirt on big noon kickoff. That ain't happening. He didn't make the bet.

[A]

I see.

[D]

He. I don't think Matt Leinert understands how bets work. He's like, let's make a bet. I said, your punishment if Michigan wins.

[A]

Is you have to apologize to Oklahoma.

[D]

For the way Lincoln Riley treated them and call him a scumbag on national tv.

[A]

He didn't agree to it. So there was no bet made.

[D]

So I'm not wearing the liner jersey.

[B]

That was in regards to Michigan. Usc.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

So this. So we. So we Played last week, usc, Michigan. And we're at dinner and. Or we're in the meeting earlier in the day. I'm like, hey, what do you want to do for this game? Because he's like, whatever. And Dave's great. I love Dave. And he's like, hey, whatever, whatever. I'm like, I'm like, you want to wear my jersey when you do, like, your Dave rant on our show? And he goes, yeah, yeah, whatever. I'll do that. Or I'm like, I'll get you a helmet, a jersey, whatever. He's like, done. So he's. Then at dinner that night, he's like, hey, I was thinking, if Michigan wins, you basically have to your current head coach, who's at USC and apologize. I said, dude, I'm not gonna. I'm not doing that. Like, I'm not backing out of the bet. I'm. I just. I'm not gonna do that. I can't do that. And he looked at me. He's like, all right. He's like, all right, I'll think of something. He never thought of something. So we technically. Technically, we never shook. We never actually made the bet, but that came out this morning, and I said it to him. I said, are you. Are you serious, bro? You're not gonna. You're. He's like, you must have went to usc. You have no brains. Because we never shook on the bed, all this. I was like, what are you talking about? So this dude now is not gonna wear my jersey on our show because apparently, like, he never gave me something other than that. Dude. That's what I said. I've been calling him that all week. Anyway, what do you think of that? You tell him. That's.

[A]

I mean, I, I, I don't. I don't. I can't.

[D]

Is he right?

[A]

I can't. No, I mean, if, if, If y'. All, If y'. All. If y' all had words exchanged and y' all agreed as men to me, that's. That's, That's. That's bond. If he go back on that, that's on him.

[D]

No, well, we never. We never agreed because he never gave me something for me to do. But that was on him. He was supposed to think about it, and he never did and then never.

[A]

Actually agreed on anything.

[D]

No, we didn't. Which is. Which I. Technically, that's why I say, technically, he's right.

[B]

So you could just say he ducked the bed, then you gotta get.

[D]

No, don't worry. I got something for. On the show this week, but Be careful, though, Matt.

[B]

Be careful. Be careful with the Internet.

[D]

Guys are relentless, bro.

[B]

Yeah, man.

[A]

I don't. He's a character, man.

[D]

That's exactly how I describe him, dude.

[B]

I, I, I've been enjoying, though, everything you're doing with the pod, the p. I really enjoyed the, the writer's cut, man, because I'm a, I'm a golf nut. I grind just like you, man. That was a rough look, though. You got that, that. It was just the, the deck was stacked against your squad. You were doing everything you could. I saw, I looked in your face. I said, Aryan in this golf match is doing everything he could to try to get a point for his team. And you guys ran into a buzz saw.

[A]

But they, they pick horrible Cap. The captains are horrible. Who was it?

[B]

It was Whitney.

[A]

And, yeah, they picking all the homeboys rather than picking people who can golf good. You know what I mean? Like, I'm like, dog, pick the good golfers. Like, they have a whole golf podcast for Barstool and they happen to be all on the same team.

[B]

If you were captain, would you have broken up the foreplay podcast? You would have broken them up, right?

[A]

I have to. My first pick is Frankie. Frankie, the best golfer in that tournament, right? I'm picking Frankie the first. The first pick. And if not, I'll probably go either. Yeah, probably Riggs. Yeah, probably go Riggs next. But you got to break them up.

[B]

Because that might just send a message early and make them have to, like, play against each other, you know, I think that's the mind games, that maybe.

[A]

They have a go. They're the best golfers. You gotta break them up. Like, what are we doing? I don't know, but they pick.

[B]

I will say we're gonna let you go, but Portnoy did leave his body for a second and played an outstanding round. I watched it. He hit every fairway.

[D]

He's got to be terrible.

[B]

No, but he went to another place in this golf match, man.

[D]

That is not an athlete.

[B]

He played well.

[A]

Listen, listen, he's horrible. He, he plays well in, like, scramble conditions, but you get him one on one.

[B]

Matt, why don't you challenge him to a 1V?

[A]

That would be.

[D]

I will smash him in golf, and.

[B]

I'm not even an area. Me and you will just drive around. Why? We'll play our own rap, but we'll.

[D]

Dude, I'm down.

[A]

He ain't gonna do it unless it's for, like, Big Bread. You should do it for big, but that would be it. Hella yeah.

[D]

But his Big bread is big bread.

[A]

Yeah. You'll take his money if you play him one away?

[D]

Oh, God. I would. That's actually a smart bet.

[B]

It's a good idea.

[A]

Maybe I got 10.

[D]

That's a good idea. Okay. That's a good idea. I'm gonna bring that up to him. Yeah. We appreciate you coming on, man.

[B]

You're the best.

[A]

My man. I appreciate you, man. It's really good to hear, brother.

[D]

Yeah, you too, man. Good to see you.

[A]

Yeah. Anytime you're in Houston or anytime I'm back in la, man, I hit you, brother.

[D]

Hit me up, dude.

[A]

My man.

[B]

All right. Annie Agar joins the show courtesy of Twisted Tea. Grab a refreshing twisted tea today or even this nice twisted tea football. Annie, we were talking off air. I thought you absolutely annihilated your real. Your video. I mean, Gino. Joke called Cam Scaboo 626. If those of you don't know that's from Lilo and Stitch. Heck of a week for you, content wise.

[C]

Sometimes the jokes just write themselves. Granted, it does take a lot of research and work, but it's just like, this is. I. I don't know if you guys feel this, but this NFL season, there's no we. There's no good teams. Like, everyone's not happy with their team. Everybody has a flaw. Everybody has an issue. And I couldn't tell you right now who my two super bowl teams are.

[D]

Are the two best. I just. The two best teams right now, based on record, are the Colts and the Buccaneers.

[B]

Super bowl crazy.

[D]

It's a crazy. It's crazy. Yeah.

[C]

If you'd have told me that the beginning of the year, I'd have been like, yeah, you're. That's ridiculous.

[B]

Well, before we get to some twisted trivia where Matt is up 4 to 2 on the weeks, I got a question for you guys.

[C]

Yes.

[B]

You guys are both football aficionados. Some of us have even played in the NFL. Who would you say, if you had a venture a guess, is the favorite to win NFL MVP as of right now?

[C]

Favorite?

[D]

Favorite. I would say overwhelming.

[B]

Favorite.

[D]

I would say Baker Mayfield or Baker Mayfield.

[C]

Okay, I. I feel like I just saw a tweet about this. See this?

[B]

I could give you a little twisted trick.

[D]

I have two other names, too. I think it's one of these three, but that's.

[B]

Well, you only get one.

[C]

I don't think it's. I don't think it should be favored. I think Baker.

[D]

Okay, can I give you. Hold on. Can I give my.

[B]

Give me one.

[A]

More.

[D]

Well, I'll give you the two. I. I think either Puka Nukua or Bijan Robinson for mvp.

[B]

Let's see. I don't even see Bijan in the top 10. They don't like running back or top eight. Daniel Jones also not getting the love. He's not in like the top eight. Baker is tied for second.

[A]

Really?

[B]

With Josh Allen.

[C]

If you say Pat Mahomes.

[B]

Patrick, get out of town.

[C]

Get out of here.

[B]

Plus 1 7.

[D]

He's, by the way, he's balling. He's on two of my fantasy teams. He's absolutely just kidding.

[A]

You know what?

[C]

Screw the Bills and Josh Allen for ruining that whole narrative. They were my super bowl ride or die. Joe Brady is ruining that team.

[B]

Well, I told my nephew at the beginning of the season, I thought the Bills receiving core was like in the bottom tier of the NFL. Like, not that they're horrible, but. And, and well.

[C]

And Coleman's not doing anything.

[B]

He was so mad at me and now he's texting me like, can the Bills trade for Chris Olave?

[C]

Yeah, they gotta get.

[B]

He's throwing Jerry. Judy, can the Bills. I just think that. I don't know. The response looks a little light in Buffalo. And missing Kincaid really hurt. That was like you saw it in the game.

[C]

Yeah, well, they didn't use James Cook at all in the passing game either. I don't understand what's going on with them. But I do feel bad for Josh Allen because he's doing it all on his own. But then if he has a bad game, then you're screwed.

[B]

Before we hit our twisted trivia, Matt, how impressed are you when you look at a guy like Joe Flacco who is, I think your exact age, who's about to now play through Thursday night. Bengals, Steelers. He didn't win, but he ar people.

[C]

It's ridiculous.

[D]

I. You want to know how impressed I am? I played in my rec league basketball league this week and I almost pulled my hamstring making a post move down low. Honestly, I'm, I'm. It's partly why I'm still in a bad mood. Cuz I scored three points on like one of nine shootings. So the fact that our boy Joe Flacco and even A Rod. A Rod's older. I think a rod's 40. AOD's 40.

[B]

He's the oldest. Yeah, I think so.

[D]

Flaco's 40 or 41. They're. They're a year apart. It's. I don't know. I don't know how they do it, man. It's unbelievable to be able to do it at that level, like what Brady was able to do. And now these guys and still playing. Like, I know Flaco struggled obviously in Cleveland, but, like, still playing at a really high level.

[C]

And you still have to move quick back there, right? Like, it's.

[D]

I mean, Flacco's not moving. Flaco's not moving. But I. I saw some quotes from Rogers this week. I thought it was great. It's like he's. Flacco is like the last of the Mohicans of like, you're 6, 5, 2, 40, and just stand in the pocket and just. Just the big arm, right? Like, yeah, like, that was like that era of football. Obviously, a lot of these guys have big arms, but all these guys move around now. It's just like he literally is. He's like the last one. Like, he's the last one. Go fly now.

[B]

One for nine.

[C]

That's why when you put it into perspective of it's Matt Sage.

[D]

My shot is. My shot is about as bad as. So you were a fan, Smith play right now. I'm just going off. What, Annie? You know, I'm just learning from the go. No, my shot is terrible, dude. It's. It's. I scored 30 points my first week on fire. I've gotten. I've, what, a combined 12 points in the last two games.

[B]

So we got a fade liner in his pickup game. We got to bet all the unders, Annie.

[C]

Wow.

[A]

The unders.

[B]

Until that hammy's good.

[D]

Josie said, do not come home a loser and do not come home with under.

[B]

Don't embarrass that.

[D]

Don't literally text her on my ways. I said, I'm sorry I let you down.

[B]

I'm getting a hotel. I'm on my way to the hotel anyways. All right, Come on.

[C]

At least you can win a trivia, Matt. That's what you got.

[B]

Are you ready to deliver?

[C]

Absolutely.

[B]

Trivia. Okay. Matt is up 4, 2 in the weeks. He's up 14 to 12 overall on the questions this week. It's going to be two questions for the audio listeners. And if you want to hop over the YouTube, we're going to get two pictures.

[C]

Actually, we have three questions, so.

[B]

Three questions and two pictures of a.

[D]

All right.

[B]

Unhelmeted. Unhelmeted football player with no jersey.

[C]

Yes. You guys did pretty well in the pictures last year or last week, too. I was impressed.

[B]

Let's do it.

[C]

Ready? Starting with number one. First question. Who was the last Oklahoma sooner To win NFL mvp.

[B]

Barry Sanders.

[D]

Adrian Peterson.

[C]

Adrian Peterson. Yep. Matt Got it easy. Good guess. All right.

[B]

I guess wasn't terrible.

[C]

It was.

[D]

Who'd you guess?

[B]

Barry Sanders.

[D]

Barry Sanders went to Oklahoma State, bud.

[B]

I know, I know. I was giving you a moment to say it was terrible.

[D]

It was. Thank you.

[B]

I was teeing you up.

[C]

Okay, second question. There have been two unanimous NFL. Speaking of MVPs, there have been two unanimous NFL MVPs in history. Name one bonus if you get both of them.

[B]

Tom Brady.

[C]

Yep. I think I knew this other one just because I love this man.

[D]

Brett Favre.

[C]

No, a little bit more.

[A]

I mean, you already.

[D]

You already won.

[C]

It's like.

[D]

I know. That's what.

[C]

I was steering the wrong direction.

[B]

The other one. Steve Young.

[C]

Nope. More recent.

[B]

Oh, more recent. Drew Brees.

[D]

No.

[C]

Tom was in 2010 for the audience out there. Jerry did win this because he named one, but it's fun to get both.

[B]

Who's the second one?

[C]

Lamar. In 2019.

[B]

Unanimous. I did not know it was. You know, I think I just feel like Lamar Jackson. That's always someone arguing.

[C]

Right.

[B]

Like, because he's so hotly debated, I never imagined that he unanimously won it.

[C]

Isn't that wild? I know. Okay, number three. Who holds the record for most receiving yards in a season by a tight end?

[D]

Don't just spit out a name. Gronk. There you go. You spit it out.

[B]

Okay, well, go ahead, Matt.

[D]

I'm gonna take a hint. Because technically we get hints before.

[B]

Who Wants to Be a Millionaire now.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

This is a hard one to give a hint for, which is kind of the hint in and of itself. If I say this, it's just gonna be, oh, I know it.

[B]

I know it, I know it. Damn it, I know it. I gotta wait for Matt's guess.

[D]

Are they.

[B]

I know.

[D]

Is it older or is it, like, more recent? More recent. The most yards in the season.

[C]

Most yards in the season by tight end. Tight end being the key. Think of recent tight ends.

[D]

It's not. But it's not Kelsey. Oh, really?

[B]

Yeah. Take that one. You live.

[C]

What hint would I. Any hint I would have given would have been.

[B]

I was gonna go Antonio Gates. My problem is I think everything I'm stuck in 2012 is my problem.

[C]

I know. You forget they're more recent. Like. Like anything past the. In the 20.

[B]

Matt limped into that one. That should be like a half a point. But two, one. Matt.

[C]

Okay, gentlemen, are you ready for the pictures?

[B]

Yes.

[C]

My favorite part. First picture. Who is this person?

[D]

Patrick. Certain.

[C]

Yeah. Dang it. I just. I just noticed the PS5 behind him. I wonder if that gives it away because you just knew. It's not fair.

[B]

I know these guys also.

[C]

Solid hat, by the way. Look at that hat.

[D]

Oh, I'm 30 years older than.

[B]

But have you hung out with Patrick? Certain.

[D]

I threw him a ball at the. At the Pro Bowl a couple years ago when I was a quarterback. I threw Justin. Thank you.

[C]

So is this unfair to Jerry then? Jerry?

[B]

No. No, it's.

[D]

No, because Jerry watches more NFL than I do, so.

[C]

True.

[B]

Helmets in the NFL.

[C]

Okay. Okay.

[B]

I like being the underdog. Come on.

[C]

Next picture.

[D]

Three to one. I've already.

[B]

I know, but we got overall points to play.

[C]

Overall points. Who is this person?

[D]

Oh, gosh.

[C]

It's a tough one. I don't know if you guys will get this one.

[A]

Is that.

[D]

Don't say it.

[B]

I know.

[D]

Don't use your guess before we get a hint, dude, because you have no idea because I sure as hell don't. Hint. Can we get a hint?

[B]

It's a linebacker.

[D]

It's definitely not a linebacker.

[C]

It is, actually.

[B]

It is a linebacker.

[C]

It's a linebacker. I don't know if a college will help, but he went to lsu.

[B]

I know who it is. I can't.

[C]

He currently. Let me tell you who he currently plays.

[A]

For sure.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

Pittsburgh.

[B]

Oh.

[A]

Oh, God.

[B]

This is the brain fog kicking in.

[C]

His name.

[B]

High time.

[D]

I can't.

[C]

You want me to give you initials? I'll give you initials.

[B]

No, I don't think we deserve this one. I don't. Either of us clearly don't know it.

[D]

Because we clearly don't know. Go ahead. Go ahead, Annie, you know.

[C]

Tell me the initials.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

Pq.

[D]

Patrick Queen.

[A]

Yep.

[B]

Okay. Matt, his starts with his last name, not a king. But.

[D]

What do you want me. What do you want me to do?

[B]

I think. I think we deserve a half a point.

[D]

By the way, that was four to one. That was.

[C]

That was a good pull.

[D]

18, 13. I'm pulling away. This is. This is embarrassing.

[B]

Not deserved. She. Pq. You got initials, bro.

[D]

And then I said. And then I said the answer.

[C]

That could be. It's true. That could have been a lot of names in the NFL.

[B]

We're going to call the people, the good folks over at Twisted Tea, to get a rule ruling on pq. And then you just. That's. That's the biggest hint. That's an illegal hint.

[C]

We're going to look up how many guys.

[D]

But we're both playing the game at the same time. It's not my fault that I react quicker than you, bud. I mean, I don't know what you.

[B]

Want me to do. It's an illegal. That's all right. All right, so 4:1 for Matt this week. I. That's it. I'm going to start studying up because that was ridiculous and it is kind.

[C]

Of almost sweep there. Jerry. Jeez.

[B]

No, we're gonna. It's voided that one of them is voided. All right, Annie, thank you. We're back next week. I gotta make come back. Good luck to the Packers.

[C]

Thank you.

[B]

Not wait for your next video like everybody on the Internet.

[C]

As long as the Giants keep winning, I'll. I'll keep being nice.

[B]

I had. I had a rant earlier in the show about the Giants if you want to double back and listen, I'm staying realistic about these.

[C]

Okay, good. That's very healthy of you.

[D]

I don't know. I don't know about that.

[C]

I was gonna say the Giants are.

[D]

Gonna win the Super Bowl.

[C]

I don't think any Giant stands for being rationally. They think Jackson Dart is like Eli Manning.

[D]

They think he. No, it's just that the Giants Twitter is hilarious, right?

[B]

Giants Twitter is. Is.

[C]

It is like especially after the commanders and Eagles lost.

[B]

Oh, Giants Twitter's had a few twisted tees.

[C]

Yeah, just a few. Just a few. All right, well, thanks guys. I will see you next week.

[D]

Peace.

[B]

All right, that's the show for this week. Thank you to Arian Foster.

[D]

Shout out, my boy.

[B]

Shout outs Twisted to T. Appreciate it. And Matt, good luck to your Trojans. Good luck to the Giants. Show that jersey with port. No. Oh, by the way, last thing as we're.

[D]

He's not gonna wear it. But I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna.

[B]

If you won't wear it, at least make a bet where he buy. Get him to buy you like a five thousand dollar glass case for your Heisman so you could get it off a freaking box.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

Shout out to. Shout out to PMT too for hey, is that a Heisman? Is that a box jump on your Heisman. Yeah, bro.

[B]

This is what I do some investigative journalism.

[D]

This is what I'm working with here.

[B]

Well, that should be your secondary bet. All right, see you next week.