Big D stands for “Drama” with the Cowboys and Mike Tyson Looks to Turn Back the Clock vs Jake Paul

Summary

Throwbacks with Matt Leinart & Jerry Ferrara: Episode Summary

Episode Title: Big D stands for “Drama” with the Cowboys and Mike Tyson Looks to Turn Back the Clock vs Jake Paul
Release Date: November 14, 2024
Hosts: Matt Leinart (Heisman Trophy winner) and Jerry Ferrara (Entourage star)

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1. Introduction and Pre-Show Banter

The episode kicks off with Matt and Jerry engaging in a playful debate about a hypothetical fight scenario involving themselves and Kevin Connelly. Jerry humorously proposes, "[We] try to get it to like 3 million. We try to get a little more money," highlighting their competitive yet friendly dynamic ([00:00]–[00:10]).

2. The Jake Paul vs. Mike Tyson Fight

A significant portion of the discussion centers around the highly anticipated fight between Jake Paul and Mike Tyson. Both hosts express their excitement and curiosity about the matchup.

• Matt's Perspective: Matt praises Jake Paul as a professional entertainer and recognizes his dedication to training. He states, "He's a good athlete... he pulls you in," emphasizing the entertainment value Tyson brings to the fight ([41:35]–[42:34]).

• Jerry's Insight: Jerry delves into Mike Tyson's warrior spirit, referencing Tyson's recent appearances and his relentless nature. He notes, "Tyson is a warrior... he's done training very hard," and discusses the potential risks involved in the fight, given Tyson's age and boxing legacy ([43:57]–[44:26]).

Notable Quote:
Matt: "I'm watching on the road. [...] It's going to be a great fight. [...] his personality, like, he kind of, he just pulls you in." ([41:50]).

3. NFL Drama: The Dallas Cowboys and Micah Parsons

Matt and Jerry shift focus to the NFL, specifically the ongoing drama within the Dallas Cowboys' locker room involving star player Micah Parsons. They dissect Parsons' public comments criticizing coach Mike McCarthy and the potential fallout from such statements.

• Matt's Analysis: Matt criticizes Parsons for undermining team cohesion, stating, "You know, you have to be very careful with what you say... it's a feeding frenzy," highlighting the negative impact on team morale ([12:09]–[13:49]).

• Jerry's Reflection: Jerry shares personal experiences from the acting world, comparing them to the pressures athletes face. He emphasizes the importance of handling conflicts internally rather than airing grievances publicly ([14:28]–[16:48]).

Notable Quote:
Matt: "If you take accountability, you can be frustrated with coaching, you can be frustrated with players, but there's a way to handle that." ([14:52]).

4. The Feasibility of Athletes Hosting Podcasts

The hosts explore the idea of quarterbacks or other high-profile athletes hosting their own podcasts, debating the practicality and potential pitfalls.

• Matt's Stance: Matt advises against it, citing the intense scrutiny quarterbacks face and the potential for negative repercussions. He remarks, "I don't think it's worth it," suggesting that the position's pressure makes podcasting untenable ([09:33]–[10:28]).

• Jerry's Counterpoint: Jerry agrees, adding that quarterbacks have unique challenges that make public commentary risky, unlike other positions or athletes who might have more leeway ([10:42]–[11:07]).

Notable Quote:
Matt: "You can't." ([10:42]).

5. Insights on Actors vs. Athletes Career Strategies

Drawing parallels between their respective industries, Matt and Jerry discuss the differences in career management between actors and athletes.

• Matt's Take: Emphasizing the uncertainty in athletic careers, Matt underscores the importance of securing as much money as possible early on due to the unpredictable nature of sports careers ([20:45]–[24:14]).

• Jerry's Perspective: Jerry contrasts this with the acting world, where opportunities can fluctuate based on project success and personal branding. He shares anecdotes from his own career, highlighting the balance between financial security and creative fulfillment ([24:45]–[28:08]).

Notable Quote:
Matt: "Get as much as you possibly can at the expense of getting what, an average free agent receiver." ([22:22]).

6. Basketball Focus: The New York Knicks and Giannis Antetokounmpo

The conversation transitions to basketball, with a spotlight on the New York Knicks' struggles and Giannis Antetokounmpo's tenure with the Milwaukee Bucks.

• Matt's Views: Matt expresses disappointment with the Knicks' performance, reminiscing about past memorable moments and players like Mark Messier and Reggie Miller ([65:51]–[67:39]).

• Jerry's Analysis: Jerry analyzes Giannis's impact on Milwaukee, noting the team's high expectations and the challenges they face in sustaining success. He comments on Giannis’s leadership and the Bucks' strategic moves, expressing concern over recent developments ([31:03]–[32:30]).

Notable Quote:
Matt: "He is just, he was so. He's such a polarizing figure." ([46:10]).

7. NBA Update: Greg Popovich’s Health

Matt and Jerry briefly address the news of NBA legend Greg Popovich suffering a mild stroke. They express their well-wishes and reflect on Popovich's enduring legacy in the NBA.

Notable Quote:
Jerry: "Greg Popovich is a treasure of a coach, and I think he's sticking around for Wemby." ([30:53]).

8. Shout-Outs: 'Can't Get Enough Sauce' Segment

In their signature segment, the hosts highlight individuals or teams making noteworthy contributions both on and off the court.

• Matt's Tribute: Matt honors the late USC coach John Robinson, celebrating his impact on the USC football community and his NFL career. He shares personal memories, stating, "What he epitomized at USC, what he meant to USC." ([34:04]–[35:29]).

• Jerry's Highlight: Jerry spotlights basketball player Josh Hart for his kindness and generosity towards fans, recounting instances where Hart went out of his way to assist fans via social media ([35:40]–[38:34]).

Notable Quote:
Matt: "J. Rob will miss you. Cheers." ([35:28]).

9. Predictions and Betting Odds

The hosts conclude with their predictions for the Jake Paul vs. Mike Tyson fight, incorporating betting odds into their analysis.

• Matt's Prediction: Matt leans towards Jake Paul winning the matchup, citing his consistent performance and training regimen. He predicts the fight will go the distance ([53:41]–[54:21]).

• Jerry's Bet Strategy: Jerry argues similarly, suggesting that despite Tyson's legendary status, Jake Paul's current form and preparation give him the edge. He humorously notes, "If Tyson wins, I will not be sad about losing that money," indicating a balanced approach to his bet ([54:22]–[55:08]).

Notable Quotes:
Matt: "I think it's going to go the distance." ([52:43]).
Jerry: "Jake Paul's a minus 210. Mike Tyson plus one seventy." ([52:36]).

10. Throwback Three: Greatest Sports Moments

In the final segment, Matt and Jerry share their top three sporting events they wish they could have attended, reflecting on historical moments that left a significant impact on them.

• Matt's Picks:

  1. 1980 Winter Olympics – USA vs. USSR (Miracle on Ice): Matt reminisces about witnessing the iconic hockey victory, saying, "That is literally the probably most iconic sports moment of all time." ([60:09]–[61:03]).
  2. 2001 World Series – Yankees vs. Diamondbacks: Highlighting emotional and dramatic moments post-9/11, Matt underscores the cultural significance of the event ([65:51]–[67:39]).
  3. Greatest Sports Movie Moment: Reflecting on classic sports cinema, Matt appreciates the storytelling behind legendary sports events ([59:56]–[69:03]).

• Jerry's Picks:

  1. 2019 Masters – Tiger Woods' Victory: Celebrating Tiger’s comeback and emotional triumph, Jerry expresses admiration for Tiger's resilience ([61:19]–[61:56]).
  2. Larry Johnson's Four-Point Play: Although mixed with personal sentiments towards the Knicks, Jerry acknowledges the dramatic flair of the moment ([65:09]–[66:01]).
  3. Mark Messier's Guaranteed Victory (Rangers vs. Devils): Jerry reflects on high-stakes hockey moments that define his fandom ([67:32]–[67:39]).

Notable Quote:
Matt: "I want to know what movie that was with Matt Damon." ([30:47]).

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Conclusion

In this episode of "Throwbacks with Matt Leinart & Jerry Ferrara," the hosts deliver a comprehensive blend of sports analysis, personal anecdotes, and engaging banter. From dissecting high-profile fights and NFL controversies to reminiscing about unforgettable sports moments, Matt and Jerry provide listeners with insightful perspectives and entertaining discussions. Their ability to intertwine professional insights with personal experiences makes this episode a must-listen for sports enthusiasts and fans of the hosts alike.

Transcript

[A]

You're offered $1 million.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

To be on the undercard of whatever. A Jake Paul, maybe two. We'll give you two mil. You and Kevin Connelly. It's full. Go. Who's winning?

[B]

Connolly and I have always been competitive with each other in a healthy way. If you came to us with that offer, we'd be like, let's try to get it to like 3 million. We try to get a little more money. I think one of us can knock. Welcome to another episode of Throwbacks everybody. Presented by Cash App. That's right. Spending, saving, sending, splitting, tipping, donating, gifting, or just typing numbers, all with the number one finance app in the app store. That's money. That's Cash App. You know who else is money? My co host, Matt Reiner is money. I can't stop laughing right now.

[A]

Those of you, the best part about our show is the pre show.

[B]

Yes. We have a good show. We have a good show for you today. Okay, we're going to definitely going to get into Jake Paul, Mike Tyson fight coming up this weekend. We're going to talk NFL, NBA, everything. But there's something we have to iron out because I have to stop laughing. We have, we've been talking about this three point shooting contest for a while now. You said in the earlier show you outshot Caitlin Clark one round, you took her down.

[A]

Well, we, we, we tied. We tied.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Which I'll take as a dub.

[B]

And then I have this assumption about a lot of football players back in high school. Like the football players were not good at basketball. They were scary when they're defending you.

[A]

Because I've seen, I've seen play, I've seen players like that. I agree.

[B]

You don't want that.

[A]

I'm not that. But it's okay.

[B]

You don't want the linebacker defending you on in basketball because it could hurt. But also, you weren't war. You were leaving them open at the three point.

[A]

I've played with, I've played with football players who like are on a fast break layup and just chuck it off the backboard with no, with no finesse for sure. But that's not, that's not my game.

[B]

So you, before I even knew anything about you at basketball, you were bragging about what an awesome shooter you were. I jumped all over that because I know I'm a good shooter and I thought this is a great opportunity to maybe beat Matt at something. Being that you're a natural born athlete. And then I saw some videos of you and I've since shown Videos of you shooting. I've, I've sent it to a bunch of people who know ball and at. Your jumper checks out. It checks.

[A]

It's not really a jumper. It's more of a set shot, but I'll take it.

[B]

I'll give you a half jumper. So I went to the Lakers. I went to the Lakers, who they even play? Sixers. Lakers, Sixers game. The whole time I went, my manager left. The whole time we're analyzing the over under, who, like, who's going to hit more, what. So we're doing five racks, five shots a piece. So there's 25 points out there to get. This is where it gets funny. Before we do the show, Matt has taken on this heel Persona. He is so confident. He's looking at me like I'm, like I'm a peon. Like I'm not even worth.

[A]

Can I just speak for one second? First of all, I. So I sent you videos of me shooting.

[B]

Great job.

[A]

I also, I also, I also played in the Drew league, which is the premier basketball league that where all the pros play is. And again, I was one and done. And I had success, a couple threes in that. I'm very confident in my shooting ability. And I was a little bit like, man, Jerry, Manny's, you know, 5, 7 was, you know, back in his day, he was a little, he was a little overweight back in his prime. He's now, now you look great. You look great. And then you send these celebrity all star basketball games where you're just like, you're running point and I, you're running point. You're telling guys to get off, sit down. Like you're, I mean, you're fully invested. I, by the way, mad respect. I love that. I'm actually jealous because I've never gotten to play in one of those games. But that doesn't translate to me. In an open call. We're going to do this at usc, reveal it, College arena, probably in front of the men's basketball team coaches. A little, just a little. There's gonna be a little bit of pressure. And I know, you know, I know you. You say you like pressure. Names, pressure. You love it. It's okay. This is different. This is different. You've never shot against a professional athlete.

[B]

No.

[A]

Maybe, maybe in a TV show, but not when the stakes. And by the way, if we're betting on this, we might as well throw a little money in on this too. I don't know. I don't know.

[B]

Well, here's why I was Left at.

[A]

Where are we going?

[B]

Here's why I'm laughing. Coming. I was coming into the show because I figured out what I want. If I win, I figured it out. I'm going to use one of your old takes against you again. This jerseys thing. Now, I know you. You want to embarrass me and make me wear a sixers, I'm going to go. I'm going to take it one step further. If I defeat you as a heavy underdog, and maybe we got to get John Ewing from BetMGM to get it. Give us some shooting odd. What are the actual betting odds? I know what I want. I want you. You are going to wear my high school jersey with my name on the back. I'm going to make it up for you because I know you're 6 5. You ain't 5 7. You have to walk around for a full Manhattan beach day or wherever you are. Maybe even. Maybe even like your last day on set of Big Noon. You have to walk around with my high school jersey, number 15, with Ferrara on your back.

[A]

That's what I. Bro, it's gonna be. But this would be skin tight on me.

[B]

No, no, no. I'm gonna make one for you.

[A]

Oh, you're gonna make.

[B]

I'll make one. I'll spend the money I want it to. Listen, I want you to look stupid.

[A]

If I lose all. If you want me to wear that to a Big Noon taping. You know, obviously, if you didn't look.

[B]

So good in the suits, I'd make you wear it on the show. But I don't want you to lose.

[A]

So if I win. If I win, we're wearing. What are we doing? We're wearing jersey courtside to a Knicks game.

[B]

Well, here's the thing. They won't let me in the building. If I do that, I would be down because I pay my bets. But I can assure you, the people at Madison Square Garden, if they were going to have me sit courtside, they would not. I don't think they're letting me in the building sitting courtside for free wearing a six. It's not going to happen, but I'm happy to do another version.

[A]

We're going to. We're going to post this. We need everybody to weigh in on this. And one.

[B]

Just time.

[A]

Yeah. Who do you think is going to win? I mean, we could. We're going to post. Listen, I'm going to go get shots up today after this. I play horse almost daily at the gym. I just. I'm always shooting and so Honestly, I'm putting even more pressure on myself because I am talking a big game. I just feel that confident. I feel that confident.

[B]

You're the last Triple H. The last.

[A]

Shooting competition I had was against the greatest female shooter of all time. All time. And I took her to the very last, took her to the very last rack.

[B]

And what was your number? So we have 25 shots.

[A]

Was sweating. My girl Caitlyn was sweating. One day we're going to get her on this pod and one day she's going to respond to this. Okay, she's.

[B]

First question, Caitlyn, were you really worried that you were going to lose?

[A]

She was, trust me. She was. She nailed four out of five in the last rack to tie. And she was like, okay, I give you props. I give you props.

[B]

All right, well, think about what you want. That's going to be a fun day. Either way, we get to go to usc. This is when having your, your co host, being a legendary USC football player, we get to use the usc. That is something that a lot of other podcasts don't get to do. So I think it's going to be fun, man.

[A]

It's going to be fun. It's going to be a fun day. We're talking a lot of smack. It's going to be cool to do some stuff and get you out here, bro. Get you out to la.

[B]

All right, there, there's a few things. So. Yeah, Jake, Paul, Mike Tyson. Coming up later, the throwback three that we've been doing. We've been doing throwback threes now for a few weeks, trying it out as a segment. And little by little, the reaction on Social has been getting better and better. And again, follow us on Social. At throwback show, we interact with you. We will respond to you. Last week's fictional athlete, which was your call. Fictional athlete gone over big this week. I think we actually should tell the listeners now and ahead of time what we're going to do. You ready? I agree. My week to choose, we are going to do greatest sporting events you wish you could have been at. So you can go through historical time period. You can make it your favorite team, you can get a little wild on the sports. If you want to throw some WWE stuff in there, whatever you want, you're going to have great seats to one of the greatest sporting events in the history. That's our Throwback 3 this week.

[A]

I love it. I, I, I did, I did a little deep dive on this. So there, there's a lot of, there's a lot of options out there. I think this is, I think it's fascinating. I think it's fast. As a sports fan, there's. It just, it depends on which way you want to go. But my goodness. And my number one, my number one is fire. I think it's gonna be, it's good. Yeah.

[B]

You know what I wanted to ask you. So now I'm at the part of the show after I watch a weekend full of sports. I, I have my things like, I cannot wait to talk to Matt about. Here's a question for you. Go back to your playing days for a minute. Whether it's your rookie year, second year, whatever. Would you have had a podcast? I know you have one now. You're a former player. If you're playing in today's. If you're playing in today's. You couldn't have did it back then. If you're playing in today's NFL. Matt Liner on the Arizona Cardinals take out Kyler. You're on that team. You're 22 years old. Do you have a podcast?

[A]

I don't think so. One. Because it just. Up. Up until I met you, Jerry. Up until I met you.

[B]

It took you this long.

[A]

Yeah, it took me that long. I think just as a quarterback, it' you know, I, I, I can't even, I, I don't even know who has a podcast in this day and age as a quarterback out there. I mean, obviously Rogers goes on every week to McAfee and you have things like that, like guest hits, but there's just too much going on for quarterback to especially. Could you imagine if you're losing and you're not having success and like, you're just going to get ripped apart. Oh, this guy does a podcast, too. It's different when you're Micah Parsons or it's different when you're.

[B]

That's what I want to talk about.

[A]

Common Ross St. Brown has his. Like there's a lot of guys that, that do that or they stream or they do all these types of things. But as a quarterback, like, you better be. You better be like 10 years in, won three Super Bowls, doing whatever the hell you want on the side, and it's just not worth it. It's not worth it. So the answer would be no.

[B]

That's a. You know, this question came to me over the weekend and that's a great way to sum it up.

[A]

Well, it's also. Sorry, but you also, like, you're just opening yourself up for just absolute, like a disaster. Yeah.

[B]

You can't do it just Can't.

[A]

You can't.

[B]

There's too much now I'm trying to think who's going to be the first quarterback to have their own podcast. There.

[A]

There. Okay, so there's. There's quarterbacks in college that are doing it, like, nil stuff and that. That kind of stuff. And it's a. It's a little different because they're kids, and most of these guys aren't probably going to make the NFL anyway. So there's a little bit different there of, like, trying to, like, build a voice and. And build a brand.

[B]

There's nothing to gain if you're Jaden Daniels and you're like, you know what? I finally want to launch my media company and my podcast. A, like you said, he has too much to do with the quarterback position, but B, yeah, right now, it's great that Jaden Daniels toast to the NFL. What does he have to gain from having a podcast? And that sums up the quarterback position and I think in the NFL right there. That's why.

[A]

Absolutely nothing.

[B]

Well, Micah Parsons, who. I watch his stuff. I think he's a really good interview. I think it's interesting. I do love the athlete podcast. I think it's fun, especially when they dig in on a team. Like Draymond sometimes will dig in on a team, and you're getting insight that we all think we're not. We don't have that brain. But, you know, Parsons, with taking a shot at Mike McCarthy, he was kind of walking it back on the show. Do you think he made things worse by going on the podcast and explaining and defending why he did it and saying it was taken out of context? Like, we all saw it.

[A]

Yeah, look, I think he obviously was backtracking, and this is just the pro. The bigger issue there is when players have a platform and they're on their pod every week or they're in the media and you're. And you're. And you're. And honestly, you're a Dallas Cowboy, which is. There's more pressure than anybody being a Dallas Cowboy, whether they're good or not, that all eyes are always on them. Like, you have to. You have to be very careful with what you say in the sense of, like, locker rooms imploding. And, like, that's what I. That. The. The Micah Parsons thing. Like, first of all, I thought about this. Mike McCarthy is what. He's a dead man walking. Right? That was kind of like the quote. Like, he's probably going to be gone regardless. But that coach. And normally I would side with a player. But that coach has taken every stray for the team. He's. He's manned up to how they've played, whether it's offensive defense, he's taken accountability. And it is what it is. He's a professional, Mike McCarthy, whether you think he's a good coach or not or whatever, he's a professional, and he's handled it extremely well. That. That goes. And these are grown men. So that, to me, I respect now when a player comes out and just starts pointing the finger and starts throwing guys under the bus like it's a. It's just a sign of something bigger there. And I've been in locker rooms where you start to finger point a little bit. And I'll tell you what, Jerry, it is. It's not good like that. That team is about to get blown up and, you know, next is going to be, you know, Dak is out for the year and, like, next it's going to start. You're going to start seeing players point the finger at Dak, and then now players are going to. Micah Parsons become somewhat of a target. Even though he's a great player.

[B]

Right?

[A]

Like, you're a great player. You can kind of get away with every. Like. Like, it doesn't work that way. So it's interesting what's happening over there with the Cowboys, and I think Micah Parsons was in the wrong on that for sure. You know, you take accountability, you can be frustrated with coaching, you can be frustrated with players, but there's a way to handle that. We always just said. We always said, like, it means, like, hey, you handle. You handle shit within the walls of this locker room. If you got a problem, you go talk to that person and you handle it that way. Because the minute you start opening this up to public and to the media, it is a. It's a feeding frenzy, and that's what it is right now.

[B]

And I guess I can't say I like you disagree with what he said. So it's a tricky thing. I thought, too, on the pod, he was trying to, like, validate a little bit what he said. Like, it's above my pay grade. We know you don't make the decisions on the.

[A]

But him saying that does nothing but jeopardize the locker room and the team. It does nothing but have people like us immediately talking about it in a negative light. It just doesn't do anything. Is. There's nothing positive about it.

[B]

I've had. I've had in my career the opportunity a handful of times to tell someone how I really Felt without giving like the media trained answer about, I'm not gonna put a name on it, but someone I co starred with and Entourage, I always took the. Yeah, it's all, it's all good. Because my thought was, even though what I would say would be true and I'm allowed to say the truth, the amount that I would have to deal with it after, nothing good is going to come of it. And we're all under contract. We're all here now. Actors don't get traded or cut while they do get fired. But. And it could have got me fired. You never know, but I just don't. And it's like a discipline thing. I never took that bait.

[A]

Yeah, it's the problem when you're. Again, it's the Cowboys and when you. And again, like to your point, kind of like with these podcasts and like social media, like, it's given, I think the positive. It's given players a platform like the Draymond, like the in season pod. Like, like reacting things I think is fascinating because it takes just fans into like, wow, that's really what's happening. Not just pundits on TV thinking what's happening. Like, this is real life, like, real time. And I appreciate that and I like that about Mike and he's outspoken. But the minute you start opening up that can of worms and you start to. You start to finger point and blame others, man, I'm telling you what, even if it's a head coach or not, it's. It's a recipe for disaster. And that's. It's a, it's a culture thing for the Cowboys. And you can start at the top. You can, you can, you can pinpoint whoever you want. I think there's a lot of people to blame. And. But that's the problem, man. When you start doing that again, I, I go by, I go by. We're. We're all professionals. You're professional, right? You handled that. Your co star professionally because you understand if you did handle it a different way, the consequences. Maybe, maybe you make a shitty show or maybe like.

[B]

Right.

[A]

It just affects the, it affects the chemistry of it on a set. Right? Same thing in a locker room. Like, like, you handle that stuff in between those walls. If you got a problem with a dude, I've been in those conversations. Like, you got a problem with the receiver, you got a problem like, you handle and you, you work it out. And if you. And if you can't work it out, okay, you're still. Mate. You're making your money you still go to work every day and do the best you can. But if you do work it out, that only helps. And man, I'll tell you what, dude, that locker room is a disaster.

[B]

Well, let's go to another. Let's go to another locker room for a second. Same rules apply for a Debo and the pushing, whatever you want to call it, with the long snapper and the kicker. So is that something that. Had that happened in the locker room, we probably would have never known. We would have heard, oh, Deebo was pissed. Can you come back from that? Is how bad is that for a locker room? Or is that something like, hey, we're dudes. That's something that's. Sorry.

[A]

Yeah, that's something different, in my opinion. I've been on. I've been on teams where there's been, you know, how many times we've seen, like, I mean, I use to who I love, but to. As an example, like, fighting with a coach, right? Like, or, you know, fighting with McNabb back in. Like, like you've seen all that. And then a lot of guys, most of the time you go in the locker room, you hash it out and you can apologize or you hash it out and you move on, because it's just what you do to me, that one. And I think Debo came out and basically said like, his emotions got the best of them. If I'm a. If I'm a betting man, I guarantee they hash that out in the locker room. I guarantee there's no hard feelings. The frustrate, the frustration came out. You missed the field goals. You do like, yeah, and, and, and San Francisco is sort of that team right now that's like, they're not playing probably to their, their potential, obviously.

[B]

Yeah, we're waiting.

[A]

Yeah, we're waiting. McCaffrey's back and we'll see. And I. Something tells me they're probably going to make a run, but to me, I don't have a problem with that. Again, you try to keep your emotions in check. You handle that stuff in the locker room, but if you handle it afterward, you move on. Right? And we haven't seen anything from that since. So my guess is, you know, it was handled the right way. So emotions are part of the game, man. Like emotions, frustrations on the sideline, especially K. Like, you know, especially kicking. I've been a part of games where you miss field goals and back to back games and you had chance. You know, you just get. You get pissed and I get that. But Debo, I'm sure handled it the right way. So.

[B]

But yeah, last thing I was thinking about in terms of NFL and things I wanted to ask you, and I got. I got into this conversation with someone in my life on the acting level, Daniel Jones. And we know, okay, that's been exhausted. He's done. We get it. And I know there's all sorts of stuff now with his injury clause and when he'd have to be. If he gets hurt, he gets paid, whatever. Skipping all that. Is it crazy to think going back to Daniel Jones and his contract and knowing, hey, I had a really good year, we made the playoffs, I'm finally healthy, Saquon's amazing. My number one receiver was Isaiah Hodgins. This is two years ago. No offense to Isaiah Hodgins. They had a great year. I got. My coach seems dialed in. We have chemistry. I know the edict is always make it, make the money. Is there any world where Daniel Jones could have sat back? His agent would have hated. And all agents probably hate me for even saying this out loud. You know what? I want the 45, whatever, 48 million. But maybe if I take 40, 38, maybe we'll have a little more leftover to sign Saquon or a better left tackle, and maybe that'll lead to me playing better because I probably need more help than most good quarterbacks. And maybe that gives me longevity. Maybe that keeps me on prime time. Maybe that helps me win some more games or with football different than basketball, because you are risking life and limb in so many ways. Get it while you can get it. Don't even let that other stuff fall where it may.

[A]

Yeah, I agree with you. And Tom Brady's a perfect example. I mean, he took a pay cut every year, and they were able to get guys every year, you know, guys like Randy Moss and over the. Over that. Over the course of his career there. Now, he had already won a Super bowl early on in his career, so, like. But that's a perfect example. Here's my. Here's my take on this is. And again, I come from the side of get your money while you can, because you never know when the last play is. And we always talk about guaranteed contracts and all that and the lack of guarantee. Now, the guaranteed money nowadays, obviously, is through the roof, but it doesn't mean you're guaranteed, like, you know, like, if you sign five years, $100 million. Right. Or four years, $100 million, making 25 million a year with 40 million guaranteed. Okay, you're hitting. You're hitting that guarantee number, but if you get hurt year one or something happens, you're not getting the rest of that money on your contract. You're not. You're not even close to hitting 100 million. It just doesn't work that way. It's not like baseball. It's not like basketball. Like, so the mindset of that is always get the. Get. Get as much money as you can up front. Get as much money as you can up front. And then, you know, you go out and you play and you try to get to that second contract. That was always the big deal in the. In football is like, play through your. Like, Brock Purdy is about to hit.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Whatever it is. Right. And he's on a rookie deal. Get to that.

[B]

You'd be a pay cut candidate.

[A]

Yeah, but he's still on a rookie deal though, so.

[B]

Right. I'm saying when he makes a deal, I won't call pay cut. Like making your deal. Like taking a little less to know, hey, you got Debo, we got kittle, we got McCaffrey. Like, how do we afford all these guys?

[A]

I. Listen, I. We gotta have. I would love to have somebody on and talk because, like, it's just a different world. Like, like, you look at all these running backs are a perfect example. Like, yeah, like, they're undervalued for sure. But you look at guys like, I mean, God, I'm trying to think, like, not Jonathan Taylor, Melvin Gordon held out a couple of years back.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

And like all these guys and they were getting offered like 10, but they wanted 15. And then look what happens. Like, they got eight or nine or whatever it was, and they're out of league. They're out of the market tanked, and you're out of league two years later for whatever circumstance. So that's, that's the point of like, it's like, get as much as you possibly can at the expense of getting what, an average free agent receiver. That may or may not make your team better. So I get what you're saying. What's between quarterback and 44.

[B]

Like, we're talking about the quarterback podcast thing though, right? Like, it's, It's a little different. For. If Derek Henry came out with a podcast, you would get it and you wouldn't say, like, oh, every win and loss is on Derrick Henry, and if he loses, he better not want to. If Lamar had a podcast after every loss, it would be awful for him. So I guess my point is I think you can only look at that theory for quarterbacks. You're right. A running back A receiver, everyone should get as much money. But if you're in this position, like, hey, maybe I got a five year run here and we're, we're good team, we're not great. I just wonder because of the market being so grand. Like you said 40, you know, what if I take 36 a year instead of 40 a year? Hey, look, that adds up to be 12 million you're leaving on table. It's a lot of money. But after taxes and commissions and all that stuff, to say, hey, I get to play with, you know, Saquon I.

[A]

After taxes and all of that, it's a lot. And then you have a season ending injury, right? And then all of a sudden the net and that guy balls and then you're, then you're cut, you're out of. So you get, you get, you get, you're out of a job. And then you're like, there's both ways. I get what you're saying. Like to me, I'm just like, man, 50 mil guaranteed as opposed to 45. That 5 million at the end of the day, after taxes, you're still taking home a whole hell of a lot of money that you're, that you're probably never going to spend. Maybe we can go get a dude. And again, there's been people that have done that for sure. I just.

[B]

And basketball, you're seeing, I think when.

[A]

You'Re someone like Daniel Jones, though, when you're not, you're not in a Tom Brady position, you're not in an Aaron Rodgers position, you're not in a position where you've just solidified yourself as a, as a Hall of Famer or, or year in, a year out. Daniel Jones hasn't done that. So Daniel Jones, I feel like, has been fighting for his job every single year.

[B]

It's true.

[A]

Right? You know, so like, it's a totally different mindset where they're like, dude, you got to get paid, get your money, get your money. Because by the way, he's probably not going to be a giant next year. So.

[B]

Yeah, well, there's a couple of.

[A]

It's fascinating though. It is.

[B]

There's a couple of legendary Hollywood stories. And again, it's different because we're not risky. I always put that disclaimer, we're not risking anything physically. And I think it might have been the movie the Other guys with Will Ferrell and Wahlberg. Right. I don't know if those guys don't take massive pay cuts that they could have gotten doing any of their pick from any movie they want and they could go make any movie they want. I don't know if the other guys A, gets made or B, if they would have been able to make it with each other without doing that. Like, I guess Will could have maybe held out and said, no, I want 10.

[A]

So they, so they can't afford Mark.

[B]

So you got to bring in actor B or C and maybe that movie's not as good.

[A]

They. So they took pay cuts to be together.

[B]

Is that I think I don't have confirmation. I. Legend has it, to make that movie, everyone had to come together and say, this is what we have.

[A]

But again, again, it's, it's. You have two of the most of like two solidified actors that have their dough that have been doing it for 20 plus years, you know. And like, so like, I think when you get to that and you would know better than me, I'd be curious. Like when you get to that point, you're just like, hey, we love this script. This is funny. Oh, I get a chance to work with Will or I get a chance like, right, let's go do it.

[B]

And it's only three months of your life.

[A]

Yeah, I mean, look, I, Yeah, I mean, I guess, yeah. It'd be fascinating to hear your take on just that, like turn. Like if you're, if you're an up and coming actor or like, you know, you're working but you're not making. You're this and that and like, but you get a chance to work with an A list actor, but you're literally making peanuts. Like, do you.

[B]

That's been me every movie I have really done, like television, I always got paid really well. But movies, because there's such. There used to be a big differentiator between television and movies. Like almost a new career. Oh, you're gonna be in a movie. We have to start your, your rate over again because we can't use your TV version. But it, there is a similarity with actors where, yeah, you're on fire right now. You're making money right now, but in two years that could be gone.

[A]

Right.

[B]

Talking about you might not be able to earn money as an actor or in the entertainment business for like five years while you reset. So there is threat.

[A]

So Lone Survivor, right? You run Lone Survivor.

[B]

Oh, yeah. So scale.

[A]

Yeah, I mean you were a minimum character, right? So those, those guys. So those five or six guys are all making a lot, a lot of.

[B]

Money, whatever the budget.

[A]

But again, and you go, and you go into that and you're like, hey, we had this small role for you. Here's like, you don't even. You'll be like, I'm. I'm gonna do it because I'm in a great movie.

[B]

I'm on a one year vet minimum. I'm on a one year vet minimum, and I'm good in the movie. Maybe that leads me to another contract, but I'm on a one year vet minimum. So it's.

[A]

It's interesting. But those. Those Entourage episodes pay well, I'm sure.

[B]

And you know what? All of us, it's. It's, you know, favorite nation. All of us were paid the same. We negotiated the same, which obviously will never happen in sports, but it's a very, very powerful thing to stick together. And the legendary story is Friends.

[A]

All those make it a million an episode.

[B]

I feel like David Schwimmer could have maybe gotten paid out the gate more than everyone I could be. I don't know if this is factual, but they all pulled together and said, no, no, we do this together because it doesn't work without the six of us. And then they. They crush.

[A]

Absolutely.

[B]

Don't I read something where they still see like 10 or 20 million a year in residuals?

[A]

I was going to say it's ridiculous.

[B]

Yeah. Somewhere Friends is on right now.

[A]

So we're going to. We got to talk about residuals with Entourage. Right? Coming back to all the streaming services. Right.

[B]

Well, the Entourage movie is on Netflix right now. I don't know if the show. I know there's been a big calling for it, and Netf has been licensing a lot of Warner Brother, HBO stuff. Ballers Shout Outs was just on there. You have been perfect for Ballers too, by the way. You would have been.

[A]

I think I was almost. I think I was.

[B]

You should have been.

[A]

Our boy Glazer was on it a lot. I think there might been confused.

[B]

Was this show on this show?

[A]

I would have loved to be on Entourage, man. That would have been. That would have been sick.

[B]

Do I have permission real quick to talk about a basketball thing? I know you're not full. I know you're locked in the basketball, but you're not psycho locked.

[A]

As long as it's not about the Knicks.

[B]

It's not about the Knicks.

[A]

Actually.

[B]

It's not. Giannis. A lot of. A lot of talking heads have been saying, oh, it's not working out in Milwaukee. He's. They're saying, y is going to ask out forever. So our friend of the show. Well, there is a Knicks reference really quick. Our friend of the show Max Greenfield, who was just on a few weeks ago, he went to the Knicks game and got the full courtside experience. Full, full boat. And it was against the Bucks, so I asked him to play Body language guy. Give me a reference. Like, when you're watching Giannis, because now they're like two and whatever. It's looking bad. And here's what Max got back to me. He basically said, hold on. Where is it? Okay, this is just like an actor who's two weeks into a movie realizing this movie sucks and it's gonna flop. And then he sent me this Matt Damon quote. Matt Damon once quoted. I came to consider that the definition of a professional actor is knowing you're in a turkey and going, okay, I got four more months of this. It's up at dawn Siege on Hamburger Hill. I'm definitely gonna die here, but I'm doing it. Damon later said about his experience on the film, that's as shitty as you could feel creatively, I think. I hope I never have that feeling again. This is what Max is sending me.

[A]

I want to know what movie that was with Matt Damon.

[B]

I'll look it up. Yeah. But this is what Max is sending me. It's got to be over, right?

[A]

Isn't it crazy how fast things turn? Like, when did they win a championship? Three years ago.

[B]

Three years ago. The year after the bubble. So, yeah, I GUESS it was three.

[A]

Years ago, 21 years ago. They've been. I mean, Boston now, obviously, but they. They've been top one or two seeds in the Eastern Conference for years, and it just. And it just. And have a good team and then just completely have changed. And, like, honestly, I just think being in Milwaukee, I think it's like one of those things where it's just, like. I think it's just time to move on. Hey, he can come over to the West. West Coast.

[B]

They have no outs. They've made because they were a championship team, and they kept trying to just retool, not reboot, which is the right thing to do when you have a great player like Giannis. They have no draft capital left. The Damian Lillard. And I love Dame.

[A]

Dame is one of my favorite, which is crazy, right?

[B]

But the. The worst part of that trade, besides now not, you know, picks and all that, is the fact that Drew Holland. Drew Holiday goes to Portland and then goes to the Celtics. So even if you still had a fighter's chance of winning, now you got to go through that guy in Boston. It's just bad. And I. I love Giannis. He's one of my favorite player. Even like that Brown thing where Jalen Brown offered him. He gave the fake out handshake and Brown was. And by the way, Brown super serious. Played it the right way. Don't show that you're you like Giannis even if you do. He played it the right way. But to me, that Giannis is already fucking around.

[A]

Yeah, dude, he's over. It's already. He's over it. He's over it, man. That's gonna be a long season in Milwaukee.

[B]

It's gonna start all the. Where is he gonna go? Who's gonna. It's gonna all start soon. And I just. Giannis is one of our basketball treasures, so, you know, we want to see him in playoff games. And who knows? I'm not saying it's over, but it's. It's rough. And also really quick. I just saw this too, and you know, this is airing, so this will be a day old by the time you see it. But the spurs just announced and Shams just announced that Greg Popovich, who's missed a lot of time, he suffered a mild stroke on November 2nd. He's expected to make a full recovery. Thankful and grateful for that timeline to return. Not been determined. So really quick just, you know, wish Greg Popovich and his family the best. And it's good to hear that he's going to make a full recovery. And again, we talk about treasures of the NBA as far as coaches. Greg Popovich is a treasure of a coach, and I think he's sticking around for Wemby, you know, which he didn't have to. Greg Poppage could walk off into the sunset whenever he wants from coaching, and he's not. And you feel like it's because of Wemby, but either way, you hope he just makes, you know, says he's gonna make a full recovery, which is great. And hopefully we see him back on the court. Yes, Pop, it's time. It's time for one of my favorite parts of the show. Our Wendy's can't get enough sauce moment of the week. This is where we highlight an athlete or a team or a player doing something on or off the court that we just can't get enough of. Just like you can't get enough of Wendy's new saucy nugs. Matt, do you want to go first?

[A]

I'll go first. Mine's a little more serious. Shout out to Wendy's right here.

[B]

Yeah, let me get my.

[A]

I'm going to. I'm going to toast. Shout out John Robinson the legendary USC coach who just passed away this year. Yes, yes. Can't get enough of what he meant to usc and really just football community. You know, I had a chance to get to know him over the years, and I said this on a show earlier, on an interview earlier this week of, you know, when I was at usc, we were at the peak, right. Prime and all that. But it was always the most important thing for us, was always reiterated. Everybody that comes before you, right. In the acting world, it's like, you know, the great actors before you, right, that represent who you are and who you want to be, whether it was players, whether it was coaches. And J. Rob, Certainly him, John McKay and USC were those coaches, right, Those coaches for Pete Carroll and all that. And he was around a little bit. So just what he epitomized at usc, what he meant to usc. He had a great NFL career as well. So I just want to get a little shout out to Coach Robinson, rest in peace. We're thinking of his family and you talk about Pop as a treasure. He was a treasure in the Trojan community. So that is my. Can't get enough sauce of the week. J. Rob will miss you. Cheers.

[B]

Cheers.

[A]

I don't.

[B]

I don't want to follow that, but. Cheers.

[A]

Yeah. Sorry to bring it down a little bit.

[B]

No, no.

[A]

How to shout out the legend of. Of Coach Jr. No. What do you got, man? What do you got?

[B]

Okay, switching gears a little bit. I'm sorry to do this to you. It does involve the Knicks. I'm sorry to do this to you.

[A]

I mean, this is unbelievable.

[B]

We just do a pod.

[A]

We could just do a pod on the Knicks every week. I actually watched. I watched a little bit of. They, they played. They play Philly this week. I watched a little bit of that.

[B]

You mean they destroyed Philly.

[A]

I didn't watch the ending. I. I literally. I turn. Now that I think of you, I turn it on for two minutes and I'm like, this is like game eight of an 80 game series. 80 game season. And watching the Knicks up 10 to 6 in the first quarter, I was.

[B]

Like, Mike can't get enough sauce. Player of the week. I'm going to say, how to triple double that game? But that's not why he's getting my, my.

[A]

Is it your boy?

[B]

It's Josh Hart. Here's why Josh Hart is gonna become a.

[A]

Is he gonna become a friend of the show?

[B]

Oh, Josh. Josh Hart's fantastic. I went on the roommates podcast not that long ago, but here's why Josh Hart for me, I can't get enough of someone. You know, Nick's Twitter is its own thing. Some Knicks fan tweeted a video from a game at the Garden. Might have been that Bucks game. From way high up in the stadium, right? And of course, Twitter being what it is, just people just frying this dude. Oh, your seats are super bad. Do me a favor. Grab the banner for me and pull it down. Like, just roasting this.

[A]

Oh, I love that.

[B]

And the guy's like, it's unbelievable that Nick fans are roasting me because I have bad seats. Josh Hart swoops in, says, check. Swoops in. This guy's dms, blesses him with tickets. We don't. I don't think the guy's gone to the game yet, but now he's interacting with Josh Hart. And even, sure enough, I think there was another woman who tweeted something like, I'm in town for one night with my. Whatever. We've never been doing it. Check your dms. Josh Hart out here. Like Santa Claus dropping Knicks tickets.

[A]

Tis the season.

[B]

Dms tis the season. That is my kicking enough sauce moment of the week. That's. That's honey barbecue.

[A]

Because it's a little sweet as well, by the way. It's so. It's. It's such a cool. Like, Josh Hart seems like a great dude. And, like, it's like, you just like him, right? Like another team. He's one of those guys that just fits in every team that a lot of athletes. I. I just think athletes could do more of that because of the. Like, it doesn't cost Josh Hart a thing. And if it. Like. Like, it's such a cool story that I'm glad that got picked up, and I'm glad you're hitting on that because, like, those fans might not be able to afford anything more. Like. And again, I always look at this. I look at this like, we went to one game a year growing up because we couldn't, you know, we couldn't afford it. It was either a Dodger game, a hockey game, whatever, and it was like nosebleeds, but it was like going to Disneyland once a year. It's like, this is it. This is our super bowl. And you appreciated that. So the fact that he can do that for this family or whoever, and probably damn near close to courtside or the fan, like. Like, that's just.

[B]

They're going to be good. They're going to be good experience.

[A]

That's awesome, man. Shout out to. Shout out to Josh Hart. Great job.

[B]

Well, thank you, Wendy's. We're gonna take a quick break, and we'll be right back. We'll talk some Jake Paul, Mike Tyson. Can't believe those words just left my mouth.

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Visit imes.com difference to learn more. All right, we're back. Throwbacks presented by Cash App. Listen, I tried hard to maybe not focus on this. I did not know how I'd feel about this. Jake Paul, Mike Tyson fight. It's been scheduled for a while. It was postponed, as we know, because of some health issues for Tyson. The whole time I've been saying there's no way I'm really going to watch this. I'll just check out highlights on Twitter and stuff like that. As it's loomed closer. Matt, I'm in. I'm in on the fight. I'm so curious. What. Is there any parts of you that want to watch or curious? And then we'll get into what we think might happen.

[A]

I'm watching on the road. I'll be in Colorado this weekend. So I'm watching. I. That. This is, I mean, this is what Jake Paul does. You know, he. He's enter. He's a professional entertainer. And his way about whether you like him or not, his personality, like, he kind of, he just pulls you in. And also, like, he's a good boxer. Like, he's a good athlete. Like, he, like, like, again, we could, we could say, like, oh, fight real people this and that. But like, the dude trains his ass off. He works hard. Like you want to see it. And also, like, this is Iron Mike Tyson. I don't care if he's 55 or in his prime. Like, how do you not want to? He's going to come out with the black shorts. Going to come out with his old school black shorts, the tatted face. Like, it's going to. It's like I'm getting goosebumps just thinking about it. I hope we get a good fight. I hope we don't get some BS that.

[B]

Have you checked out.

[A]

Probably going to happen.

[B]

Have you checked out any of the Netflix, like, Countdown documentary?

[A]

Yeah, I want. So I watched a little bit of it.

[B]

It's good. It's interesting. They sell it well.

[A]

Well, yeah. I mean, they're salesmen. I mean, this is what they do. This is boxing. And yeah, I'm fascinated. Honestly, I'm fascinated. The. The part of me wants to just like, like be a kid and just lay on the couch and watch it. Like, man, this is going to be a great fight. Like, this can be awesome. Fight. Tyson's back. It's Jake Paul. Whatever. Like, everybody, everybody wants to see him beat the out of Jake Paul. And then part of me is like, all right, well, they're getting paid 10 mil. Like this is going to be. I want. Okay, hey, I'm going to. We're going to end this in the third. We're going to end this in the third round or pillow fight. Yeah, I mean, well, I don't know what I mean. Your thought, I mean, you're excited.

[B]

Thoughts, lots of thoughts. And it didn't surface till about a week ago that I just started watching some of the coverage, watching some of the press conferences, checking out the training videos and then I started Netflix. Doc, whatever you want to think about Jake Paul, whether you like or hate him as a YouTuber, you like or hate him as a boxer. This is not just some content, it's boxing. You're not saying, hey, I bet you I could beat Michael Jordan in one on one and you're going to put it on pay per view. We're going to watch Jake Paul and 60 year old and Michael Jordan would smoke them. But anyway, you are boxing. There is still always a chance that you could get hurt. And Mike Tyson is the one guy, I would say, you know, who might forget that we had an arrangement.

[A]

I was about to say he's a little bit of a wild card.

[B]

If they. And I'm not saying they do, they definitely, let's assume they don't have an arrangement, which I don't believe in my heart they do, to make it a pillow fight. Even if they did, that's probably the one guy from boxing's past that I would not feel totally comfortable going into. Like, he's not really going to hit me.

[A]

So you, so you think Tyson's going into this fight to like to beat that it's a sanctioned fight, goes on his record. I don't think Tyson cares about that at this point.

[B]

I think a couple of things that I've, I feel like I've picked up on the point of view of Mike Tyson. Number one, the dude is just a warrior. If you go back to him on Joe Rogan, when I think he was promoting the Roy Jones Jr. Fight and he's in way better shape now than he was even two, three years ago for that. And the whole time on Rogan, he's just, yeah, you know, he's just talking, sweating like he's living the fight while just doing an interview with Rogan. Matt, if I were to tell you, you know what, Matt, I'm going to give you eight months to train to study the Kansas City Chiefs playbook and you are going to get to play with all those weapons in one game. You're going to get. We're going to give you one more game and your health is going to be there. You're not like that's basically this could. He's got to be going and I'm.

[A]

Getting paid 10 stats and you're getting.

[B]

Paid 10 million or whatever he's getting paid of. I think for sure he's taking it real and you end up being in a sport that you could get really hurt. You would over prepare and get ready.

[A]

I hope so. I, the, the thing is I don't know how long he's going to last, right. So like you gotta think if he's short around shorter. This dude is coming out, just getting inside like he does and just going just aggro on his ass for three rounds. I don't think we're gonna get much past that. Mike. I don't care how good of shape he thinks he's in. And this is my. And trust me, I'm rooting for Mike, 60 years old and like Jake Paul's, I mean Jake Paul's. Jake Paul's a big dude and Jake Paul trains hard. Like Jake Paul's like, like he, he's proven that he can go 8, 10 rounds obviously. Now can he take a punch for my or my. Like I don't know man. That's why I think it's fascinating. And again this is why they just roped you in, dude. They roped you in.

[B]

They roped me in you.

[A]

So you think Tyson is going in and saying like. And there's also part of me that like we all know like Tyson's a actually like a really like soft spoken kind of like. Yes, like weirdly like a kind hearted like almost like just polar opposite. The minute he steps in the ring, he's a killer, right? That's what he, that's what he defined like it did. He's like what's he have to prove left? You know, Nothing. It's entertainment. That's the only worry I have. I don't know.

[B]

He keeps pulling me in because even the clip of a few, this is from like a year or two ago, maybe longer. He's just doing it might have been his own podcast. Tyson, he's like, you know, now I'm like a nice guy and I'm paraphrasing, I walk around but every now and then I just get so frustrated because I can't like fight anymore. I just feel like a, it's Just he goes to places.

[A]

Well, dude, he was, what he was talking about. He did like a pod about like voting or something. He's like, so what? So what? Who found my vote for what you gonna do about it? And it's like, whoa, dude, I do agree with you.

[B]

The stamina, of course, with a 57, 58 year old man, you look at it and that's the thing. But it's not like he's just saying, yeah, give me the money, let me get. The dude is in phenomenal shape for his age. Now that still might not be enough because I want to point out Jake Paul is also in phenomenal shape. Jake Paul, from all things I've seen, is training for real. He's trying to live a boxer life. He has the different thing where he wasn't boxing as a kid and he didn't have to box to survive and to make money. That's a fortunate place. But I do think he respects and loves the sport. And he's not a little dude. He's not a little dude.

[A]

Well, have you, have you watched his doc is called the Problem Child. Have you watched that? It's pretty, like, it's pretty fascinating. Like, Jake Paul, like, has gone through a lot mental stuff up and down and like been through a lot. And the dudes kind of like saving grace has been boxing, right? So, like, I don't think anyone, like, there's a. You could not like the guy, I get that. But you can't disrespect the fact that he genuinely loves his sport and he works hard and he trains. Now we can say, like, hey, if you really want to be a boxer, like, go fight professional boxers.

[B]

Well, that's what's got to be next to him.

[A]

But if I'm Jake Paul, it's like, why I'm getting more viewership doing this. Fighting, Tyson fighting, you know, fury fighting, like, you know, ex UFC guys making 50 mil of fight, laughing and giving the people what they want, a show. That's what they want. Like, that's what, to me, that's what boxing is now, which is unfortunate. UFC is a completely different animal. This is what boxing has become. And by the way, we're all suckers because we're all watch it.

[B]

I'm in. Well, that brings me to my next thing too. Not. I do think Jake Paul's a really good fighter. Well, we'll see. We're reserving judgment to see how good he could actually be. But he is a damn good fight promoter and that you cannot take away from him. As a fight. And maybe that's why he's. Maybe all this is like a thing where. Yeah, I'm gonna get some fights, get some experience, make a lot of money, and then I have this amazing fight promotion business waiting for me. There's a great fight, too. It's not even like an undercard. Co. Main event. Katie Taylor, Amanda Serrano, they fought few years ago. Was an awesome fight. Awesome fight. Rematch. Katie Taylor won the title. Amanda Serrano's won five fights in a row, so I'm showing up for that as well.

[A]

All right, let me ask you a question real quick. Let me ask.

[B]

We're gonna do predictions, and I'm gonna talk some betting odds and then we're gonna.

[A]

Okay, real quick. You're offered a million dollars.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

To be on the undercard of whatever, a Jake Paul. Maybe two. We'll give you two mil.

[B]

Two mil.

[A]

Two mil. You and Kevin Connelly.

[B]

He just called me. Okay.

[A]

And. And it's. And it's full. It's. It's everything. We've talked about your training. You guys are like. There's no, like, hey, you hit me. It's full. Go. Who's winning?

[B]

Oh, who's winning?

[A]

Yeah. And would you do it?

[B]

This is a thing. And we're going to have Connelly on Connelly and I. Okay, let me unpack this. Connelly and I.

[A]

We don't have time to unpack it.

[B]

I'll do it quick. Connelly. Connelly and I have always been competitive with each other in a healthy way. Who's faster, who has a better arm, who hits like. And it's jokes, but there's always a hint of seriousness. We're also, like, the same size, so it would be a good fight because we line up pretty much. I think I got a few pounds on them these days, but we.

[A]

The problem is what I do with. He's my friend.

[B]

I love the guys.

[A]

I don't know who you're at. I don't know who your enemy is. And we don't. Or who's.

[B]

But if we got that, here's how this would go. If you came to us with that offer, we'd be like, let's try to get it to, like, 3 million. We try to get a little more money. Yeah.

[A]

But you guys got to beat the shit out of each other out there. There's no holding back. There's no fluff. If there's fluff, then you don't get paid.

[B]

No. And the good thing is, is I don't think Connelly or I. With 16 ounce gloves or whatever, which I think Jake Paul and Tyson are wearing too. We can't overlook that. I don't think we could. I know we could hurt each other. I don't think even with our best we could do tons of like crazy damage. So I wouldn't feel bad that I would like hurt him or he would hurt me. I think one of us could knock the other out maybe. Would I do it?

[A]

I see that.

[B]

To me that's such a all. I might need more dough because again we were talking about the Daniel Jones thing. Now here I am saying I need more money. Well, I just look at like if you go to. By the time I'm done with taxes and commissions, it's a million. You just cut 50%.

[A]

That's free money. And think about the exposure you're going to get.3 million.

[B]

We got a deal. I'm going to think about what, think.

[A]

About what that would do for our.

[B]

Podcast on our break. On our break. I'm going to text Connelly that or maybe I'll call him on the.

[A]

Call him on the show.

[B]

Should I call him right now?

[A]

Yeah, why not?

[B]

I'll, I'll set it up. That's a great question line. All right, really quick. And what's your prediction? What's your prediction for this? And I'm going to throw some betting odds.

[A]

My prediction.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

I haven't seen any betting odds. I haven't seen anything.

[B]

I'm going to give you some after this.

[A]

Gosh, how many rounds is it?

[B]

Oh, gosh, you know what, that's a great question.

[A]

I don't. I mean it's got to be a minimum 10. Right? Or 8 to 10.

[B]

Andrew or ever. Do we know what the particular. I think it's two minute rounds by the way too. I think the rounds are shortened. I think everything is shortened to favorite like whatever is legal and sanctioned. Shortened traditional fight.

[A]

So I think it's going to go the distance and I think.

[B]

Come on, it's tough one.

[A]

It is a tough one. I think, I think Jake Paul will win.

[B]

Okay. Jake Paul's minus 210. Mike Tyson plus one seventy.

[A]

All right.

[B]

It's an eight round fight. Thank you.

[A]

Eight rounds.

[B]

Eight rounds.

[A]

Eight rounds. Two minutes.

[B]

I do think Jake Paul's gonna win. Okay. The reason why my, My analysis is 15 years. Whatever. I remember Mike Tyson on the way out of his professional career he said in one of his post fight press conferences where he got knocked out by a journeyman, said I can't keep doing this. I Can't keep learning. Losing to Journeyman. I'm ruining my legacy. How is he in better? Is he. Is it possible he's a better fighter and in physical shape now than he was 20 years ago when he was losing to Journeyman? Because some of the journeyman he lost to toward the end, I don't think are that much better than Jake Paul. I really don't. I'm set.

[A]

What are you talking about?

[B]

I don't think some of the course.

[A]

He was in better shape.

[B]

Right. That's what I'm saying. Like I don't know how Tyson now can beat a fighter that was beating him 20 years ago because.

[A]

Exactly. No, I agree. I don't. That's what I'm saying.

[B]

I'm with you.

[A]

I think he's got to go. No holds bar the first two rounds. And if he really wants to catch him and catch him with and get it, get inside like he used to. Just come at you. Get inside and just start laying it.

[B]

Jake Paul's beard certainly looks like an advantage. How is that not an advantage? His beard's down to here. How is that not extra cushion?

[A]

Deflect the punch right to his.

[B]

Could soften it by 3%, which might keep him on his feet.

[A]

But I gotta be honest, I'm gonna watch this. Watch this for sure.

[B]

So here's. Here's a fun one. Tyson to win by KO, TKO or DQ. Basically, Tyson wins non decision plus 250. That's a fun one. That means you're basically betting Tyson to.

[A]

Knock him out, right? Yeah, I like that.

[B]

That's your Tyson knockout. If you want to get creative over under rounds six and a half. It's basically minus 110 over six and a half. If you want Jake Paul by KO or TKO, plus 140 plus 800 for a draw. That's a sneaky fun one because then they'll just do the rematch and get it and get another 10 million or 50 million apiece. I'm trying to find the best odds. I think if you really want to take a shot, Jake Paul by round I. If you go Jake Paul, fifth round knockout plus 1200.

[A]

No way.

[B]

The bet.

[A]

No way I'm gonna bet on Jake Paul. You think he's gonna knock out Tyson?

[B]

No, but here's why I'm betting on Jake Paul. It's a win win. If Tyson wins, I will not be sad about losing that money.

[A]

Oh, of course.

[B]

But if Jake Paul wins, which would make me sad, I want a little bit of money in the process. All Right.

[A]

It's gonna be good.

[B]

We're gonna take a break, but I will be watching that this weekend. I'm gonna see if I can get Kevin Holly on the phone real quick. We'll be right back.

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Go to your happy price, Priceline. All right, it's time for money moments presented by our friends over at Cash App. Spending, sending, saving, splitting, tipping, donating, gifting, or just typing in numbers, all with the number one finance app in the app store. That's money. That's Cash App. Matt, we're going to do this every week. We're going to pick a player that we're counting on or a team that we're counting on going into the weekend. You want to miss our first one?

[A]

This is our first one.

[B]

You want me to lead off?

[A]

Go for it, man. What you got?

[B]

All right. We just spent 10, 15 minutes talking about him. I am counting on Mike Tyson. All I'm counting on Iron Mike, just give us a good fight. Just. I don't even care if you win or just give us a good performance.

[A]

That would be great.

[B]

I'm going to be tuning in. Give us a good performance. Turn back the clock a little bit and just, just, just, just get them, Mike, and just.

[A]

And just come out in the black trunks. The black famous trunks. Right? I just. Oh, he's got it.

[B]

He's got the towel robe.

[A]

I can't wait to see that look when he walks. When he walks to his music. Okay, so I'm. I'm counting on the Colorado Buffaloes. Hear me out. Not just because I'm going there this weekend, but this is. This is Prime Coach Prime. Deion Sanders. Last year started fast, ended horribly. A lot of people said he couldn't build the way he's building. A lot of people are tired of the theatrics and the entertainment and this and that and the flash. These boys control their own destiny to get to a college football playoff. They get Utah this weekend, so this is more. Counting on them this weekend, but also counting on them to make a run at a college football playoff. In Prime's second year as the head coach with his son, the quarterback. It's pretty wild and one of the quickest turnarounds we've ever seen. So prime doing his thing over there in Boulder.

[B]

That's a great one. Talk about people in the news. It's gonna be really interesting with everything coming out of Colorado. Is Dion gonna coach somewhere else? Where. Where's the door going? Like, where. There's just so much to break down. You can do a whole podcast just on Colorado alone. That's a good one. Counting on him. Well, and thank you to Cash app for that. We're gonna do that each and every week and exciting stuff going forward. Time for the Throwback three, Matt. I had a hard time with this one. It was my choice, my week, my category, you know, don't you hate it.

[A]

When it's like you do it, then you're like, damn. Like, I can't think of it is there's too many.

[B]

Cause then I. Well, the category, we said it earlier. It's. It's. It's sporting event that you wish you were at. If you could be at any of the great sporting moments, we're going to give you good seats. What's your Throwback three? Well, it's tough for me because I have the New York side of me and they have the general sports side, so I tried to balance it as best I could.

[A]

You Want me to start with number three?

[B]

Start with your number three. I'll work my way. Yeah, I have a lot.

[A]

Honestly, I kind of want to change it now because we've been talking a lot of boxing, but I'm going. Tyson, Holyfield, the infamous ear.

[B]

Could you imagine being at that fight? Walking out of the 1997.

[A]

I was 14 years old and. And again I. This whole Tyson talks got me excited because it's one of my favorite athletes of all time. Like he is just. He was so. He's such a polarizing figure. And you know, that moment I remember I was a teenager. Like the most controversial, bizarre like thing we like barbaric. Like we've never seen that nor. Nor will we probably ever see it. Like you literally bit a dude's ear off in the ring, which is unbelievable. Like, holy shit. When you think back at that. So I think to be there and that was heavyweight boxing. Like, you know, maybe not peak, but that was heavyweight boxing. That was the biggest fight like back in the day, man, it would have been pretty sick to be. It's a really. To be ringside at any Tyson event in his prime.

[B]

Yeah, my number three. I separating myself from my New Yorkness. I went tiger at the 2019 Masters, which is his fifth Masters title. It's only five years ago, but if you're a golf fan.

[A]

I was crying.

[B]

If you're a father.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

If you've come back from anything in your life. Seeing him there after everyone wrote him off for dead as far as golf is concerned, horrific injuries. Winning at Augusta also, then you'd be at Augusta, which is also amazing. So you'd have a front row seat to that. And you know, I've watched that Tiger doc on HBO like three or four times. And the part that gets me the most is see his kids didn't really know him winning like they did, but they were super young and you see his kids run up to him. I. I just think that's. That to me is my all time golf moment.

[A]

There's the best. Those emotional moments after the best man when they win. I even like the. Was it 2015 when he had the shot. Right. Like the sickest golf shot of all time. Like to be there just for that whole would have been like. I've watched, I've watched that highlight probably 150 times in my life. I'm with just because that just mo the motivation of that. Okay, this one's. This one. This one you're gonna. This one's gonna be. This one gets me Excited. I'm not sure how you feel about this one. 2008 Beijing Olympics, 4 by 100 freestyle relay.

[B]

That's what you want to be at? You want to be there?

[A]

I want to be there. Are you making fun of me?

[B]

I. No, I. No.

[A]

Okay, so look, I've always want. Okay, so, one, I've always wanted to go the Olympics, right? I feel like any sport fan would be like, okay, bucket list Olympics. And then it's always like, which. Which events would you go during an Olympic run? I've always been a massive fan of women's gymnastics. I've always been a massive fan of swimming. Not all of them, but like 100 meter freestyle, 50 meter, like some of those. Obviously. Honestly, basketball doesn't even do it for me because we typically beat everybody by 50. Like, there are just certain events that you'd want to go see. And I remember watching that, and that was the year when Michael Phelps, I think, got eight gold medals. He was going for, like, all time. And France was talking shit before because they were supposed to beat us. And Phelps, they're on the deck and just when he starts going like, yeah, the back slap. Just the lats. He's got massive lats. And Jason Lezak, who I had met years and years ago, is the final leg. And they win, barely, by like a fingertip. And the. And again it goes. It goes to the. The reaction to our team in that moment to win that against the world. France talking like, it would have been electric in that building.

[B]

Dude, you want a 22nd Michael Phelps story?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So we were shooting. I think it's right after 08. So we were shooting Entourage in New York. We did an episode in New York, only did one in New York ever. And we're doing the scene and it just so happened Michael Phelps was just came home from the Olympics, was doing an interview at, like, NBC. We're in Manhattan shooting our ad. Gary Goldman, I believe it was, shout out to Gary, just goes up and takes a flyer, like, goes up to Phelps, like, hey, we're shooting Entourage outside downstairs. You want to come do a cameo? Guys just won eight gold medals, like a week ago. He's like, yeah, for sure. I love that show. Comes downstairs, we threw a mic on him real quick. If you watch the episode, it's super fast. Kevin Connelly's come up now 15 times on this episode, is walking on the phone and he bumps into someone, and the dude just turns around, goes, watch where you're going, bro, and just keeps walking.

[A]

Awesome.

[B]

Low key, sneaky. Good Cameo. All right. My number two, I had.

[A]

I feel like you didn't. I feel like you didn't like my number two, but it's okay.

[B]

I like it. I like it. And I want to do a conversation at some point about what your plans will be for the LA 2028 Olympics. Are you gonna rent out your house and make a fortune? Are you gonna go? What do you.

[A]

And then I'll go. I'll go stay in Orange County, 30 minutes away.

[B]

You go stay wherever you want with the money that you probably get to rent out your house. Oh, yeah, I have. I have to let the New Yorker in. I have to. I'm sorry. I tried hard. Not.

[A]

Well, you don't have to.

[B]

But the Larry Johnson four point play to be there for the Larry Johnson four point play against the Indiana Pacers. All right, you could argue if it was a foul. Fine, do all that. But where the Knicks were as well at that moment, Underachieving, shortened season, and they end up going to the finals because of that shot. I just think to be at MSG for that moment, for me, in my generation, that's like peak Knicks was the.

[A]

Reggie Miller eight point. Was that against the Knicks?

[B]

Yeah. And I would not want to be there.

[A]

I would have been at that one.

[B]

I would not want to be there for that. But that's. That's all I'm going to do with the Knicks.

[A]

Okay. I love how you. I love how it's like not even one of the top 1000 sports moments of all time and you just, you had to throwback.

[B]

Three is a very personal exercise.

[A]

Number one.

[B]

Number one.

[A]

Arguably, I'm sure we'll do this at one point. The greatest sports movie of all time. The greatest moment, one of the greatest upsets, maybe the biggest upset in the history of sport. USA versus Russia, 1980 Winter Olympics in Lake Placid, New York. And Miracle, which 1980, I wasn't even born, right? So that movie, which was Kurt Russell, which is an outstanding, awesome movie, really sort of got me into being like, whenever it came out, whatever it was was like, holy. Like, this is one of the greatest moments. And then you start to do the deep dive in the history of that. And then you watch like the docs and you see all these things. I love hockey. Like, I grew up liking hockey, even though I live in the West Coast. And that moment, Al Michaels, all of that thing, it's like, it's just. It is literally the probably most iconic sports moment of all time. Arguably. To be there in that, to witness like Grown men. The number one team in the world beat or against a bunch of our. And that was when we didn't have NHL players, professional players playing, I believe. Right. They were all like, college kids. Are you kidding me? Like, I got goosebumps just thinking about being there.

[B]

It's the best.

[A]

It's the best.

[B]

For sure. The best.

[A]

The. One of the greatest calls of all time and one of the greatest U.S. sports moments of all time.

[B]

Great one.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

I have another great hockey one, too. But that's again, that's super New York. So I'm going to leave it out. If we do honorable mentions, I'll mention it.

[A]

I was at the. I was at the Kings Rangers Game 7 When we beat you guys, too.

[B]

That. That wasn't it. It was actually Rangers, Devils, game seven. Mark Messier guarantees a victory. They were down 32 as a. Rangers, Devils, game six. And then they go on the Stefan and they go on to win the cup. Last time they did that. All right, my number one. This is tough. I have like three that I could put number one. But I'm really trying to do what means the most to me. And what means the most to me, I think, is the 2001 World Series Yankees Diamondbacks, where George Bush throws out the first pitch after 9 11. Obviously, the world was in an awful place. New York was in a crazy place and. But the Yankees make the World series. That's what Mr. November happened with Jeter hitting the home run at midnight and all that stuff. I just think to be there growing up in New York, I have a lot of friends who were there. But also the game was great as well. And the Yankees didn't win that Series, obviously. But that had some of the craziest endings off of Young Kim. Remember the Tino home run, all these wild finishes. So that for me is my number one. It just edged out Christian Laettner's shot.

[A]

Ah, Christian late.

[B]

Which I think we should take a swing at when we're at usc.

[A]

That's a good call.

[B]

Like, we don't have to have a defender. Can I make the pass and can you make the catch and shot even without a defender in our 40s making the shot?

[A]

I. I mean, I think I can make that shot like four or five out of ten times. So, like, that's. I don't know. The pass is tough.

[B]

Dude. The pass is harder than the shot.

[A]

I think the pass.

[B]

Do the pass.

[A]

Yeah, I could probably do the pass.

[B]

I just automatically put you as latener because you're 6 5.

[A]

I think it looks. I think it'd be funnier if you.

[B]

Do the shot and I think the pass is a lot better of a chance of happening if you make.

[A]

I did have. We talked about. I did have like Kirk Gibson obviously was. Was right.

[B]

One of those homer ish for you.

[A]

Yeah. Again, I. But being there, like I got to be there for game five of this World Series. So that kind of took like took the Dodger thing for me. There's, there's. I think seeing Michael Jordan in person would have been cool.

[B]

Like game six versus Jazz Utah or.

[A]

Just seeing them play in their heyday. Like there's a lot of things as a sports fan. When Kobe beat. When Lakers beat the Celtics, I was actually in Europe watching that. I would get up. We were on a insane boys trip and we would get up. I think it was two games while we were out there at like three in the morning to watch it, which was crazy. So like those things man. Like, like. But yeah, I mean and maybe the.

[B]

Magic Larry NCAA final just. Cause you're looking at two guys. No one probably at the time maybe you assumed how great they would be, but you just didn't know really for sure. And then you could have said I was there courtside. That would be a great game.

[A]

I think Kobe, Kobe's my favorite athlete. I think his last game, getting over 60 against Utah, like just going out like that.

[B]

I watched he was getting 60.

[A]

I had a couple friends that went to that game too. And I was like, damn, I should have went to that.

[B]

Well, that's. That's a throwback three for this week. Whatever we missed, if we missed some or just some that you think we didn't get, you want to show your love for again at throwback show, hit us. I will probably retweet it and we'll judge it. But yeah, and follow us and subscribe on YouTube as well. Everything's at Throwback show. Thank you to Cash App for basically presenting us this episode. Love it.

[A]

And yes, Cash app. Shout out out.

[B]

We have a big weekend coming up and we'll be back next week.