College Football Playoff, NFL MVP Debate, Saquon sitting & Darnold Delivering

Summary

Podcast Summary: Throwbacks with Matt Leinart & Jerry Ferrara Episode Title: College Football Playoff, NFL MVP Debate, Saquon Sitting & Darnold Delivering
Release Date: January 3, 2025

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1. Holiday Season and Family Life

[00:59]
Matt Leinart and Jerry Ferrara kick off the episode by sharing their experiences during the holiday season. Matt reflects on the excitement and subsequent relief once the holidays conclude, especially with young children aged three and five. He discusses the whirlwind of decorating, Christmas parties, and the joy their kids experience, juxtaposed with his own yearning for the holiday festivities to end.

Matt Leinart:
"I gotta be honest with you, I am so damn happy that the holidays are over. I don't know why. It's like, all of a sudden, I love it so much... it's done."* [01:53]

2. NFL MVP Debate

[06:17 - 07:42]
The conversation shifts to the ongoing NFL MVP debate, primarily focusing on Josh Allen versus Lamar Jackson. Matt and Jerry discuss the evolving nature of sports fandom among the younger generation, emphasizing how modern access to statistics and highlight reels has changed the way fans perceive player performances.

Jerry Ferrara:
"I think the NFL is starting to become like the NBA where the younger generation... that generation's now grown up. I think the NFL is turning into that a little bit with fandom."* [05:07]

3. College Football Playoffs

[17:34 - 21:55]
Matt shares his passion for college football playoffs, expressing frustration over the negative narratives and perceived unfairness of the playoff system. He highlights memorable games, such as Arizona State's upset over Texas, and underscores the unpredictability and excitement that make college football special. The duo debates the benefits and drawbacks of teams receiving bye weeks, comparing it to momentum seen in March Madness.

Matt Leinart:
"I just see it so much online. I actually tweeted it out this week. I was just like, can we just enjoy these kids playing? I don't care if they make money."* [18:08]

4. Fantasy Football Discussion

[10:03 - 17:34]
A significant portion of the episode delves into fantasy football, with Matt and Jerry exchanging heated opinions on its merits and pitfalls. They debate the randomness of head-to-head leagues, the impact of player injuries on fantasy outcomes, and the frustrations of betting basics versus strategic play. Matt defends his approach of gut-based picks and limited research, while Jerry criticizes what he perceives as lazy takes within fantasy leagues.

Matt Leinart:
"I enjoy the fantasy football giving me incentive to watch on Sunday. I don't have the luxury, like you, to bet in the state of California."* [10:05]

Jerry Ferrara:
"Head to head is the worst thing to ever happen to fantasy football."* [13:18]

5. Can't Get Enough Sauce

[27:07 - 32:54]
In their favorite segment, "Can't Get Enough Sauce," Matt and Jerry highlight standout performances and moments from recent games. Jerry introduces Tyler Kolik, a G-League player who stepped up unexpectedly for the Westchester Knicks, showcasing his versatility and impact despite limited playtime.

Jerry Ferrara:
"He played 31 in the G league game. And then shortly before tip off, Brunson for the Knicks is out. Miles McBride warmed up and couldn't go. He's out. Knicks are a little thin. This dude then suits up, plays 12, 13 minutes at the Garden all in one day."* [27:34]

Matt reciprocates by spotlighting college football coach Brett Bielema's intense sideline interactions, praising Shane Beamer's coaching energy and emphasizing the passion inherent in college football.

Matt Leinart:
"I love college football of the passion. I love when coaches kind of get heating. I love the shit talking."* [31:54]

6. Money Moments

[61:49 - 65:29]
In the "Money Moments" segment, Matt and Jerry discuss standout athletes and their impact on both the field and fantasy leagues. Matt focuses on Sam Darnold's remarkable comeback with the Minnesota Vikings, highlighting his resilience and performance after previous setbacks. Jerry echoes the sentiment by mentioning historical comebacks like Doug Williams and Randall Cunningham, emphasizing the inspirational stories of athletes overcoming adversity.

Matt Leinart:
"Sam Darnold is probably going to get traded. And let me tell you something, Sam Darnold is probably going to get a massive bag this off season."* [65:23]

Jerry Ferrara:
"Doug Williams was basically getting paid less than backup quarterbacks. And then he had to go spend a year in the USFL. Then he comes back and wins the Super Bowl MVP."* [67:30]

7. Guest Appearance: Anthony Ferrara

[45:26 - 60:18]
The episode features a guest appearance by Jerry's 16-year-old nephew, Anthony Ferrara, who engages in a spirited debate about the NFL MVP race. Anthony advocates strongly for Josh Allen over Lamar Jackson, arguing that Allen's leadership and team success make him the deserving MVP. The trio also discusses the supporting casts of the Buffalo Bills and Kansas City Chiefs, with Anthony providing fresh perspectives from the younger generation.

Anthony Ferrara:
"If you're playing playoff games on the line, Josh Allen is your guy. Lamar Jackson's great, but this year Allen's MVP number one."* [47:34]

8. Upcoming Segments and Closing Thoughts

[77:42 - 78:38]
As the episode concludes, Matt and Jerry tease upcoming segments, including a detailed discussion on the generational quarterback debate with Anthony Ferrara. They also share humorous anecdotes, such as Jerry’s past interactions with Larry David, adding a personal and entertaining touch to wrap up the episode.

Jerry Ferrara:
"We survived the holidays. No more happy holidays, no more happy new. It's over. We're back to living life. Let's go."* [78:38]

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Notable Quotes with Timestamps

• Matt Leinart:
  "I am so damn happy that the holidays are over." [01:53]

• Jerry Ferrara:
  "Head to head is the worst thing to ever happen to fantasy football." [13:18]

• Matt Leinart:
  "Can we just enjoy these kids playing? I don't care if they make money." [18:08]

• Anthony Ferrara:
  "If you're playing playoff games on the line, Josh Allen is your guy." [47:34]

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Final Thoughts

In this episode of "Throwbacks with Matt Leinart & Jerry Ferrara," the hosts navigate through a blend of personal anecdotes, passionate sports debates, and engaging segments that resonate with both seasoned fans and the younger generation. From dissecting the NFL MVP race to celebrating comeback stories and delving into the intricacies of fantasy football, Matt and Jerry provide a comprehensive and entertaining analysis of the current sports landscape. The inclusion of Anthony Ferrara adds a dynamic layer, bridging generational gaps and enriching the conversation with fresh viewpoints.

Listeners who missed this episode can expect a lively discussion filled with expert insights, relatable humor, and a deep love for sports that underscores every topic Matt and Jerry tackle.

Transcript

[A]

Cole and his friends, like, think Jason Tatum sucks.

[B]

That's their take. He sucks. He stinks.

[A]

You know what the response was on a text? He's got no aura to him.

[B]

What does that even mean?

[A]

I don't even know. I was like, bro. I was like. I was like, guys, what is. What does that mean? Oh, dad, he's just got no aura to him.

[B]

All right, welcome. Welcome to another episode of Throwbacks presented by Cash App. Sending, spending saving, splitting, tipping, donating, gifting, or just typing in numbers, all with the number one finance app in the App Store. That's money. That's Cash App. Matt Liner. What weekend and week and all of it. I don't even know where to begin. I feel like my brain exploded twice over this break.

[A]

That's cuz we have children three and five years old. It's so funny, man, because it's like holidays are wrapped up and there's. I was thinking about this the other day, like, there's so much buildup to Christmas, right? With. Especially with little ones and it's exciting and I get excited. We talked about this on the show like last month about when are we going to put up the tree and the. And the decorations and all that. It happens. And then the Christmas music and the parties and you go to the Cleveland Orchestra and you want to like, you want to just, you know, choke yourself because you have to sit in that stand like the. All the events, right? We had 100 Santa party and then Christmas happens and it was incredible. And it's always for the kids and they have a blast. And then. And then there's New Year's and then. I gotta be honest with you, I am so damn happy that the holidays are over. I don't know why. It's like, it's all of a sudden, like, I love it so much. And then when it's over, I'm like, get the out of here. I'm ready. I'm like, it's done. Like, you know, it's like almost you turn your mind off.

[B]

So, yeah, and it's been great with the kids, like you said, but it never quite equals out with the hype, you know, and then it kind of goes in an instant. But, you know, I do remember even like back in the day, I'd fly back from New York to la. I'd leave. Like, I come to New York for Christmas, December 26th, right back on the plane for LA. Because LA during New Year's Eve and I'm talking LA proper is a magical place because everyone's gone. Most of the town is gone because no one from like LA is really from la and but what I used to hate was, and especially with Hollywood, it used to go like New Year's Eve. People come back to third for a few days and it's like Sundance film. The whole month of January doesn't count in Hollywood. At least that's how it used to be. No one goes back to work.

[A]

Sundance is great call.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

I have some good, good memories at Sundance. What was your, what was your New Year's like? Riveting.

[B]

New Year's Eve was not rivet. It's about the kids, right? We know this. Let's just say we went to a New Year's Eve party. The ball drop was like 7:30pm local for us. I hosted a hotly contested uno game with 76 year olds. And I was also the host of Bingo. And on Christmas Day I was the host of Family Feud. I played with, I got Bree's whole family and I channeled Steve Harvey and I hosted a whole Family Feud game.

[A]

By the way.

[B]

Family.

[A]

How, how was Christmas Day? I think we talked about like, because NFL was great, I thought, right? I mean, Netflix, whatever, It was fine. LeBron came out and said it's our day, yet the ratings didn't say, so.

[B]

It'S not your day.

[A]

NFL is king, right? It doesn't matter. NFL is king no matter what day, what day of the year was it, Was it good? Like, did you get a chance to watch the games?

[B]

It was fine. I didn't really get to watch games. I'll tell you, to me, what was the most useful. And then we're going to preview what we got coming up. The, the college playoffs on New Year's Eve. The way it was laid out, what really came up clutch for me because it was at a party where all the kids were kind of in the basement, me and a bunch of the other dads. Like I watched most of those games that day. Christmas, I saw nothing. And today we got some fun stuff. We're gonna do our throwback three and you came up with this one later. Comeback athletes in football because we have some great ones competing for that award this year. And then we're going to talk college football playoffs in just a second. But also, I can't wait for this. Matt and I, we often talk, you know, you have an 18 year old son who has a bunch of friends. Sports is a big part of your life. My 16 year old nephew plays a little high school football. He's kind of late in Sports. Like, he didn't start really all in for sports till 13 until he started high school. And now he rivals Nick Wright and Skip Bayless and Stephen A with the takes. He is a take machine. Oh, and it really came.

[A]

Nick Wright's been taking a beating the last.

[B]

I'm going to keep giving him beatings because that dude is just on one. But he's a big Josh Allen fan and that's what we're going to. He will ride or die for Josh Allen. And it's. I think the NFL is starting to become like the NBA where the younger generation, how they used to like the warriors because they like Steph Curry. That generation's now grown up. I think the NFL is turning into that a little bit with fandom.

[A]

Well, it's, it's so funny, man, because I don't know, like, we grew up in a different era, right? Obviously. And, and I was thinking about this too, because we grew up in an era without access to our phone and access to like social media clips and watching highlight. Like, like we had to watch a game on tv. We had to like. And you watched the whole game or you. Whatever sport it was, and you look forward to those games a week and you were super. I don't, like, I remember, like, I was very invested in the Lakers as a young kid in the Dodgers because that's what I grew up with. And that's all we had. I didn't have, like, I wasn't on my phone during game. I was ever seeing highlights and all this stuff. And then as my oldest son, Cole, who's 18, got older and his friends. And I'm excited to talk, to talk with your, with your nephew because it's just pure ignorance talking to them about sports because he grow up and he'd be like, he was a Clipper fan and, and he was a Clipper fan for obvious reasons. We don't have to get into those. But I'd be like, he'd be like, oh, the Clippers are the best. The Lakers are shit. And this is like, at 13 years old, I'm like, what are you talking about? Then I'll be like, Then I'll be like, okay, why are the Lakers bad? Well, they just like, you know, like, hey, like, at least give me, give me a rebuttal.

[B]

Give me the port. Yeah, give me the point.

[A]

That's it. If you're old enough to have a take, then give. Then back up your opinion with some research or facts. Nothing. They just suck. They're terrible. And then I go Back to like, well, why don't you go back and watch some highlights of Showtime Lakers, why don't you go watch some Kobe? And so like that conversation. Trying as. And all the, all the dads and our boys in our audience listening can relate to this. When you have a nephew or friends of like that are 15 to 18 years old, their sports takes are fucking ridiculous and they're so bad. And it's like, literally I've gotten in fights with these conversations with my son and his friends, but then I'm realizing like, who's the idiot? I'm the idiot who's 40 trying to argue with a 16 year old telling me that Steph Curry's overrated. Like, literally, he's overrated. Oh, really? How so?

[B]

So, well, we can really blame like LeBron and MJ because that was the generation like right behind me. The big debate was LeBron, MJ. Now that LeBron generation's grown up, there's a whole other generation starting to watch him. But I remember being my nephew's age and having sports arguments, but you couldn't answer the question, like, here's why Lamar Jackson is better than Josh Allen. He had this many Russia. Well, now that we used to argue for days about stats that we couldn't find at the tip of our fingers. And now he answers the question, while I'm still making my points. I actually know Josh Allen has more rushing touchdowns.

[A]

Well, that's also the problem too is we get, and this is what bothers me as a former athlete, it's like, and I get it. Like we get so enamored with just stats, right? Like, okay, dude, Lamar. And Lamar's great. And just like Joe Burrow's got the best stats in the NFL and we're not even talking about the as far as touchdowns. But like we get so enamored with like, like Steph Curry shooting all these threes and the numbers. Like sometimes you have to dive a little deeper. Obviously. When you're talking about like mvp, are you talking about what makes this athlete great? Like the other day, like, like my, my buddy and, or my Cole and his friends? Like, think Jayson Tatum sucks. Like, like Jason Tatum sucks. Like, like sucks.

[B]

He stinks.

[A]

And you know what they answer, do you know what, do you know what the response was on a text? He's got no aura to him.

[B]

What does that even mean?

[A]

I don't even know. I was like, bro, I was like, I was like, guys, what is, what does that mean? Oh, daddy's just got no aura to him. Like, that's. I think that's the new word for, like, swag. Like, he's got no. You know, like, which makes sense. But I'm like, so he sucks, in your opinion, because he's got no aura.

[B]

Got no. Or he's boring.

[A]

Just won an NBA championship, you know, I don't care. You have to like guys. But, like, my thing is, like, you got to respect. You got to respect the game because the. The game is good. I think it's. I think the conversations are hysterical. I can't wait to talk to your. Your boy and just see. See where he goes with this, because I feel like I might actually agree with him on. On some things, but.

[B]

Well, that's the thing I'm most afraid of is his. A lot of the times his comeback is like, well, you didn't even play high school football, so what do you know? And he. He's played high school football, right?

[A]

Good for him.

[B]

But I push back.

[A]

He's been in the weeds, Jerry. You have it, buddy.

[B]

I'm like, get. So you got to get more playing time before you start yelling at me like that. But now if he has a freaking Heisman winner and someone who played in the NFL as a starting quarterback on his side, you potentially could start my 2025 off in a rough spot with him.

[A]

I can't wait. Dude.

[B]

If you agree, we'll see.

[A]

Gen Z. What are we Gen Z Alpha? There's all these. There's all these generations.

[B]

It will be a generational quarterback discussion before we hit college football. I feel like we had, like, a social media beef, you and I, while over the break. I couldn't tell if you were. I almost had a text you. I couldn't tell if you were actually telling me I'm like a. Like a. A hater or if you were just breaking my balls. I couldn't tell.

[A]

Oh, no.

[B]

I was all over fantasy football.

[A]

I was dead serious. I think your take on fantasy football is absolutely stupid.

[B]

My take, which I.

[A]

It's just you have. You talk about. You're big on lazy takes. I think your fantasy football take is just a lazy take.

[B]

Lazy?

[A]

You said it's boring.

[B]

Like, I think fantasy football is lazy.

[A]

Well, then.

[B]

And then.

[A]

And then we talked about this, and. Well, what? Okay, first of all, we talked about this. The fact that I. I think it's more the leagues that you're in and the people that you're surrounded, because you made it clear. A lot of these leagues. This. And you were. You were describing your league. I'm in five fantasy football leagues is probably way too many. I was in two championships this past week and I lost both of them. Now, I came out, I had those fight. It was brutal, but I wasn't upset because I'm like, you know what? This is what I signed up for. This is what I played. I got to the finals. It just wasn't my day, okay? It just wasn't my day. I didn't know Chuba Hubber was gonna go on IR three days before the final. Okay. It's okay. I ran into Malik. Neighbors who wanted to get 50 points. That's just what it is. But I enjoy. I enjoy the fantasy football giving me incentive to watch on Sunday. I don't have the luxury, like you, to bet in the state of California.

[B]

And that might be. That's part of my take.

[A]

What you say is that's part. But if I did, I would just. I would just bet more and play fantasy. And for me, playing with my oldest son and good buddies and talking some and just. And then just enjoying a Sunday when I have to be with the kids and the family day. But I can scroll through my phone. If I'm at church and my wife yells at me and I look at the thing, I'm like, okay, I'm winning this game so far. It's just fun. It's fun. And if you win, you make a little dough. If you lose, you know, you get them next year and you think it's boring.

[B]

You think it's boring. Okay, let's roll a couple of things back and we don't have to. Okay? If you are in a friend league where it's your buddies from whatever high school, college you work with and you are a part of each other and you guys watch games together, maybe even there's a live draft, who knows? I'm all drafted.

[A]

Great.

[B]

That's. That's a camaraderie league. That was never my point. And I said that wasn't my point in my tweet. I said, if you're part of that, that's great. More power to you. I am no longer part of that. None of my friends want to draft in person. No one goes out to watch games anymore. Maybe I'm just an old f CK and that's what it is.

[A]

That's what it is.

[B]

Okay? But, I mean, I've been doing this since 1993. Forgive me for being a little burned out. I'm going to read you the roster. In one of my leagues, this was the championship.

[A]

But see, I don't but the roster. No, no, I'll stop you there. I don't care. I don't care about your roster. That's. That's where we're wrong.

[B]

Well, this is where. But this is where fantasy's boring and dumb. Bryce Young. Justin Jefferson. Fine. Love it. All good. DJ Moore. Really? Don Tavian Wicks. Zach Charbonnet. Black Shear, Abdullah Mark. And this is a team that was two points away from winning a championship.

[A]

Okay, but that's also.

[B]

How did they even get there?

[A]

Was that a 14 league?

[B]

It's a nose, actually. A 12. I thought it was 14. 12.

[A]

12 is terrible, too. I'm in a 12 team league. I think it's trash. 10 is the perfect number.

[B]

10. So it's just too random, by the way. It's too random. And head to head is the worst thing that ever happened to fantasy football. Head to head. Okay, so great, you're in third place, but you have like the second lowest points in your league. But somehow you also have the. The least amount of points scored against you and you're in third place. How is that like a production?

[A]

You're not in third place based on wins and losses. You're in third place.

[B]

That's what I'm saying. So you're. You're in third place because of wins and losses, but you have the second lowest point scored in the league.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

How does that make sense?

[A]

Because sports are unpredictable. Dude, football is unpredictable. I will argue head to head is.

[B]

The worst thing to happen next few hours.

[A]

I think it's trash. I think your take on fantasy football.

[B]

Are you still starting a kicker? Absolutely. Okay, so you like your super bowl being decided by some kicker. You put no real research into drafting that. You probably just grabbed off the waiver wire.

[A]

That's true. No, that's not true.

[B]

Oh, Jeff Boswell. Jeff Boswell.

[A]

No, I. I drafted Justin Tucker, who was terrible this year. You know how I picked up McLaughlin for Tampa Bay? Who bald for me the last three weeks because that was a great waiver wire pickup.

[B]

Would you say he helped you get to the Super Bowl?

[A]

Yeah, he was solid.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

I didn't lose. I didn't, by the way. I didn't lose.

[B]

I feel like I got you on the ropes next point.

[A]

By the way, I lost. I lost one second. I lost because Malik Neighbors decided to go for 48 points in this league that I'm in.

[B]

Who?

[A]

His last great game was like week three. Okay, so I should be pissed. What happens? Mike Evans decided to have three touchdowns last week. Derrick Henry's A beast. And Josh Allen's a beast. I know those two were beasts. Then my boys who decided to not show up were Kyron Williams and Joe Mixon and Chuba Hubbard. My running backs led me to the title this year. They all didn't show up. I mean it is what it is. It's football. I'm not mad.

[B]

You aren't one of the hundreds if not thousands of people who lost to the rando who picked up The Atlanta Falcons versus the Giants and Falcons defense put up 28 points.

[A]

That's, that's called, that's called fantasy football.

[B]

And I, I, I understand it's luck to me. It's swung too far in the luck randomness department. Every. What I used to love is your.

[A]

New Yorker this year. New Yorker.

[B]

Stick with me on this. I used to love thinking that I was actually doing research no one else was doing and maybe I could find a sleeper that no one else could find that I was super high on that I was going to take in the fifth round. Everyone's drafting off the same big board research that's at a click of a finger. And you're at a draft. If you're doing an automated draft. Feels like a sim. Half the league is auto picking by like the 6th round.

[A]

Auto Auto picking. If someone auto picks, I'm in. No, they're, they're booted from the league. We don't auto pick.

[B]

I, I like that. I was in high stakes leagues where guys were auto drafting. Well then what are you gonna tell someone who's paying $2,000 for a league they can't auto draft?

[A]

You wanna, there's got to be some type of money. Well, how could you argue he made.

[B]

The playoffs with an auto generated team.

[A]

Let me tell you something. I'm going to sleep okay at night knowing that I'm going to play fantasy football in five leagues next year and I'm going to be happy about it.

[B]

I'm going to try one last thing.

[A]

No. You and I are going to join a league together. This is what we're going to do. We're going to join a high stakes league. We're going to have some fucking fun doing it. Okay? We're going to invest a little. I don't invest a ton of time on the waiver wire. I don't do a ton of research. I kind of, I go with my gut. My gut. I, I'm a very good fantasy. Although three league. I got my ass kicked this year. I draft well. I kind of know the players. It is what it Is it's luck.

[B]

You're part of the problem. I, well look, the last, I think we either start our own, I'll commission it, we'll make it high stakes and I have some big rules or I might join everyone on Twitter was saying to do a guillotine league which you, I think I was texting you.

[A]

I might try know like the auction. I play just basic man. Like I don't have enough time to learn a new freaking league and like it's auction in the keeper leagues and all that. Like I just, I like my normal.

[B]

Fantasy PPR betting is so much better and maybe that's what by the way, I'm gonna bet.

[A]

I'm gonna bet too when I can so.

[B]

Well, speaking of betting, something that I made a, a decent amount of money on throughout the first round was the college football playoffs.

[A]

How great, how great is the playoffs?

[B]

It was great and I just took all favorites early on because it just looked like smart. It just looked like to me I gotta see until these upsets start happening. So I had a few parlays where I'm just taking, I did a few money lines with all the favorites and then I just did a few point scorers. So now after the second round, Matt, you've watched, you've went to it. First of all, you went to three of them in person. And now having watched two full rounds of the College Football Playoff system, what was your takeaways?

[A]

Look, I, I, I'm so, I'm really tired of like just the negative narrative around the College Football Playoff. And what I mean by that is like obviously it, there's not a fair system. Like, like it's just not, it's impossible in college. Like NFL has their seatings and system and all that and it works. College is different because there's, there's a million teams and it's a 12 team playoff which I think at some point it's gonna get to 16. I do think there needs to be some tweaks with the receding and all of that kind of stuff. Right. So that we don't get some of the potential blowouts that we got in the first round. But again that's sports. There's blowouts in the NFL playoffs. There's all sorts that happens every year. I, I just, I, when I'm watching these games, I love college football so much. I loved playing it. I love, I love talking about it. It's my job, it's my passion. I think there's nothing better than, than college sports and college football. I I wish we could all just sit and enjoy these games without the, the narrative of like, well, this team should have get in. And this seemed like coaches are going to talk, like things, things happen. But I see it so much online. I'm just like, I actually tweeted it out this week. I was just like, can we just, can we just enjoy these kids playing? I don't care if they make money. Like, can we enjoy these games and these kids playing and the passion they have and the fans and the passion they have. So that's one thing. I, I love it, man. I thought we had, I mean we had some great games this week. I mean Arizona State, Texas was no, by the way. And this is why, this is why I love college football. Nobody gave Arizona State a shot to win that game. They had a buy. I think they were almost 14 point dogs going up against Texas, the mighty SEC. And by the way, I mean a targeting call should have happened. Maybe the Arizona State wins that game again. I hate, I hate making excuses, but that was a blatant missed penalty by those refs. That game was freaking awesome. Cam. Scatter. Boo. Are you. Are you kidding me? Dude? Like I. We've been talking about him all year. Have you, have you ever seen him play? Like, have you heard of him before this week?

[B]

So honest. I. So I have heard of him. Have, have I seen tons of dude dogs gather. Boo. Highlights. No, I always like that he was known to throw the ball here or there. Yeah, he is that. Like I follow that with him. I definitely not a guy I would have expected to have that kind of a game.

[A]

Like I, I love, I love. See I. I just love like, I love the platform. Platform and the opportunity that a guy like that had right now. He's gonna get well, he should get drafted regardless because he's a really good football player. 30 carries. He was 1 for 1 passing. He had eight catches for 99 yards. He threw up on the sideline and just said coming back like the dude was a beast. And by the way, he talked his before the game, basically saying I'm the best running back in college football. And he backed it up, man. And so like I just think performances like that and games like that is why we love. And then we had. And then we had the Rose bowl, which wasn't a great game. But I'll tell you what, I played in that game twice. I played it against Michigan. I played in the national championship against Texas. There is nothing better than college football at the Rose bowl, man. Like, it is the most Beautiful backdrop in sports. The grass, the color looks beautiful on tv. Bomber. Like, it's just, it's one of those things where if you've never been to a Rose bowl game, whether you don't, whether you're a fan of a team that's playing, like, you should go, like it's, it's a bucket list. Go sit in a Rose bowl and go enjoy a college football game. Now that it's a playoff game. It was.

[B]

It.

[A]

So honestly, all of it was great, man. Like, I love the call. I think we're gonna, I think, you know, whoever makes the champion, like, it's going to be great. Like, college football is awesome. They're going to be some tweaks. People need to sit back and freaking enjoy this and stop crying teams and this and that.

[B]

You know what I wanted to ask you, and this correlates with football, but I do think it's a little different. So. And we're taping this on a Thursday, so we'll have known the results by the time this airs. But going into, you know, a little bit later, we don't know obviously who's going to win. Notre Dame, Georgia. But Notre Dame wins. Then that means all four teams with buys have lost now.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Do you think there's anything to that? I mean, obviously a lot of the teams that got buys technically weren't on paper the better team. That's the whole thing that people are bitching about, to your point. But being in college versus being in the pros, when you're rolling and you're getting into your, like, end of season run, it used to be a bowl game and you get that bye week unless you have your best player nursing an injury. Can that always be a net positive or can it be a negative?

[A]

How many times have we seen in March Madness where you see. Talk about betting, where you see a team make a run in their conference tournament, right? You see a team that's team. A hot team makes a run, maybe they win the conference championship and they get like, you know, like, I, I don't have an example, but I just know every year we see like a Miami or some. A team that's like, oh, they're pretty good and they're, they're getting, they're peaking at the right time. And then they make a nasty run in the, in the March Madness, right? They're not sitting out again. There's more games to be played. But. But there's something about momentum and there's something about peaking at the right time and continuing that and when you look at the college football play, look, I, I feel like I had this, I had this argument with Mark Ingram a couple like last month. I was like, I was like, I would rather have a buy for the sake of injury, getting healthy, you know, you know, just, just extra work, like whatever, like, like extra game plan, like. But there is something about a team like Ohio State, right. Getting that first round home game, right. Beating a team like Tennessee, gaining the confidence, kind of clicking, putting everything together. Then all of a sudden we saw them and we, they just absolutely dismantled the really good Oregon football team. That there is an argument to make that it's like you almost don't want to sit for a couple weeks and you want to play. Especially Ohio State coming off a loss to Michigan. That was like, you know, that was, that's what we all like. Oh, they stink. They just lost to Michigan. Like, I don't know. I still would lean towards a buy just because I think like you want, especially if you're, you know, it's a long season college football, but yeah, we're seeing a lot of those teams, you know, but it's also too like, like this goes back to the receding and like some of the tweaks, like Boise State, love them. Good football team. Not the third best team in the country based on the ranking. Right. They're just not. Right. You know, Arizona State, by the way, great game and they prove they belong there. Really? Are they, are they the fourth best team based on the ranking? Probably not, right? Like, like Oregon to me deserve to be number one. They just ran into a buzzsaw. So can I ask them real quick though?

[B]

If you're, if you're a team that gets that by just curious fan, Dumb question. So say you're Oregon and are you having any preparation even before Ohio State plays Tennessee, right. Like, can you even start preparing at that point not knowing who you're going to play? Do coaches sometimes and probably going to be Ohio State. And that case everyone thought was a little bit more of a toss up than it was. So you know, are you just healing and resting and then once that game is decided, you, you're full. Go.

[A]

I mean, stuff happening before the, for Oregon's case, right? The Big Ten championship game was like December 5th, 4th, right. They didn't play until New Year's a month almost. Yeah.

[B]

Hard not to think Ohio State's gonna not.

[A]

Dude, I'm telling you what, man. We said it all year, anything can happen. But we've said all year, like when that team Plays just well. When they play well enough, they're by. They're in my opinion, by far the most talented team in the country. On paper, both sides of the ball. They're elite on both sides of the ball. Also $20 million worth of team, you know, players. But they just, they had a clunker against Michigan. They lost to Oregon early, who I think on the road, right, was a good football team. When they're on, they're unbeatable and I think they're unbeatable at the moment. And that Texas, Ohio State's gonna be a fun game. I just, I. I think when you look at Ohio State, we think of their offense and all these guys and if Will Howard plays well, but their defense is elite too. Like, they're. They're maybe the best defense in the country. And that's what people forget.

[B]

I'll be watching. I want my in laws to be happy. So I'm pulling hard.

[A]

Real quick. Real quick. State Cam. Scatter. Boo. How about Jeremiah Smith? Dude, this dude, I'm telling you what, man, NFL scouts and GMs, they want him now. Like, that's how good this kid. I don't, I can't remember a freshman, maybe. Adrian Peterson. Adrian Peterson as a freshman was like one of the few people we thought could be in the NFL literally right out of high school. That's how physically dominant he was. Jeremiah Smith is like that. Like, teams could tank for him in two years and get a Julio Jones slash AJ Brown slash Jamar Chase type player. Like, that's how great this kid is.

[B]

Sounds like he'll be on the Giants because the Giants will probably still be bad at that point.

[A]

That's fine. Then you got Malik Neighbors and Jeremiah Smith with Shador. What?

[B]

All right, it's time now. One of our favorite segments, the Can't Get Enough Sauce moment of the week, brought to you by Wendy's. Every week we highlight a player we or a team we just cannot get enough of. So, Matt, you're. You're probably going to be unhappy with mine, but it's time. I have to do it.

[A]

Let's hear it, buddy.

[B]

I have two, but I'm gonna go with the one I think is going to annoy you the most because you. I don't even know if you know who this guy is. He is a player by the name of Tyler Kolik. Does that name ring a bell to you?

[A]

Where'd he play college?

[B]

That's not important.

[A]

What's important, I would know him from college.

[B]

He basically. Last night, the Knicks Were up against. Who were they playing last night? The Utah Jazz at home. So he played in the morning. He played for the Westchester Knicks, a G league game. You know, he's a young guy. He still plays a G League, but travels with the team. Plays, drops 31 in the G league game. And then shortly before tip off, Brunson for the Knicks is out. Miles McBride warmed up and couldn't go. He's out. Knicks are a little thin. This dude then suits up, plays 12, 13 minutes at the Garden all in one day. How on earth is that not considered a saucy moment right there, Tyler? But he's a Marquette guy.

[A]

I looked it up, by the way. I watched him last year. The kid is an absolute baller. He's a point.

[B]

Another lefty like you.

[A]

Is he a lefty?

[B]

He's a lefty. The Knicks have a bunch of lefties. But I don't know. I saw that. I thought that, by the way, pretty damn saucy.

[A]

He gonna make the. I'm telling you, he's gonna make the league. I remember watching him. He was. He was damn good dude.

[B]

He's put up some good games already for one small sample size. So how many points?

[A]

How many points did he get?

[B]

He only had like four points. Three. He had four points. He had two assists, two boards. You know, he. But all. Until he played 12 minutes. He wasn't even supposed to play a minute. And he played 31 minutes and dropped 31 points at 11 o'clock in the morning.

[A]

Yeah, like I, I saw him make a run last year in the tournament. All right, so that's a good one. My. Let me just think. How many games could you play right now pick up in the same day?

[B]

I could probably get two in there. Two and I'm out.

[A]

I'm done. So my saucy moment of the week is I'm gonna stay with college football. And I don't know if you saw the little. Yeah, like the little tedious little fight between Brett Bielema, Illinois's football coach, and Shane Beamer at South Carolina. First of all, like, let me set some. Let me get some context to like Big 10 SEC matchup, right? To the best conference in college football. A lot of shit talking between teams. A lot of. A lot of, like, I think Altmeyer, the. After Illinois ended up winning, talking smack about the SEC because, like, everyone thinks CSC is king and all of this and whatever. And a lot of people thought South Carolina maybe should have been into in the playoff, yet they just lost to Illinois, so Like, they're just. You know, there's just a little bit of that going into the game. By the way, if anyone said bowl season is done, they didn't watch that game because the emotions of that game was awesome. So I don't know exactly what happened, but there was a substitution late or something, and then one of the Illinois guys went down, and Brett Bielema comes across the sideline to check on his player. Then he like, signals some stuff of, like. Basically of, like, illegal substitution or whatever, and he kind of is taunting the whole South Carolina sideline. They're on the. They're in the huddle. And. And I like Shane Beamer. I think he's a heck of a coach. I like his energy. He.

[B]

He.

[A]

It was so funny to me because he, like, starts bull rushing Brett B. Lama, and, like, security had to, like, keep it back. And he's talking and all this stuff. And, like, again, what's he gonna do? He's not gonna do anything. But it just. It was funny. And Brett Beelmore just kind of walks off, kind of smirking, and then he gets back on the sideline, and the TV cuts to him, and he's just like. Like, the players around him are, like, waving the towel, getting hyped, you know, like, it was one of those things. And he just has a smirk on his face. And it made me think of. I don't know if you've ever met or seen Brett Bielemon.

[B]

I have. I have an autograph football with Russell Wilson and Brett Villama on it from Wisconsin. When I did. When I went there. Yeah.

[A]

Brett Bielema is a big, big dude. Dude. This.

[B]

I'm not rushing.

[A]

And by the way, great dude. Like, awesome. Like, hell of a coach. Like, just. Yeah, you're not rushing him because he's like, 6, 3, 6, 4, 3:50 and doesn't give a. Okay. And so it may. It just made me think. I'm thinking, like, Shane Beamer's like, the little dude. Like. Like, he would have got his ass kicked. And then I'm thinking, like, this is where my mind goes when I'm watching this. I'm like, what. What football coach do you want in the foxhole with you if shit's going down? And one was Brett Bielema, and two was Dan Campbell.

[B]

Dan Campbell.

[A]

Two. Two coaches you don't want to see, you know, in a hallway and talking smack because they just don't care. Football guys who will beat the shit out of you. Who else?

[B]

Trying to think.

[A]

I mean, Dan Campbell, you don't want.

[B]

To step Dan Campbell for sure. I liked Mike Singletary's brief stint as a coach. He wasn't a coach for very long, but he had an intensity to him that I feel like he can go to another level if he, if he had to. That I have to give some thought on that. I just. Definitely number one or two.

[A]

I thought the moment was great. I think it too, like both, like, like, I love college football of the passion. I love when coaches kind of get heating. I love the, the shit talking. I love the big 10 sec. I just, it was, it was just fun to watch, man. And people were intense about it. And that game, the both teams played their ass off in, Illinois came out with the win and, and they backed it up. And then, and then they had a little banter back and forth on X. Like kind of, you know, Beamer kind of came out and said whatever he said. And then b lama just basically said, happy new Year. Like it was fucking funny.

[B]

Dude.

[A]

Dude. Oh, I love that.

[B]

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All right, welcome back to Throwbacks presented by Cash App. Before we get to my nephew Anthony Ferrar, we're gonna run through the NFL really quick. So. And it kind of is part of like the fantasy conversation a little bit this week. 18 really only has one game that I, that I think anyone's really gonna watch or care about if it's not your favorite team as Vikings. Lions. I gotta imagine what a game though.

[A]

That's crazy.

[B]

It's gonna be a crazy 14. Who do you like in Naggy? I know it's hard to. I, I kind of like the Vikings only because.

[A]

Where's that game at Detroit. It's Minnesota.

[B]

No, it's in Detroit. It's in Detroit. Both in the. Don't. I just. I just think Minnesota is playing so well. It's just like a well oiled machine is Detroit dude. I know. But I think the Lions are just short enough guys that the Vikings win it on the road.

[A]

I think it's gonna be a hell of a game. I like the Lions. I like the lines.

[B]

I don't think anything else is going to be weird.

[A]

So isn't there a, isn't there a scenario this weekend where what needs. What happened?

[B]

Well, everyone wants the Bengals to make the playoffs. Right. But they need the Broncos to lose, which the Broncos are playing the Chiefs.

[A]

With the back Carson Wentz, which is so. So the Bengals need. The Bengals need the Chiefs with their backups to beat the Broncos.

[B]

But I think they need another loss too. And the Dolphins to lose. But the Dolphins are playing. Who are the Dolphins playing? The jets or the Bills?

[A]

Like Dolphins are playing. At the Jets.

[B]

At the jets. Which. That's gonna be a pretty hard one to lose unless they all rise. But Aaron Rodgers a dub on the way. Jets enough to win TUA is questionable in that game too. So I. I guess it could happen. If there was ever a time for an NFL conspiracy fix, you would think that they would want.

[A]

I think the Broncos. The Broncos win, they're in. Is that the case?

[B]

Broncos win, it's done. Broncos win, none of that.

[A]

Beat the Chiefs. I don't think the Chiefs care. They've already locked it up.

[B]

They've locked it up.

[A]

So I mean there's nothing really consequen nobody wants. I don't think anybody wants to see Joe Joey B. In the Bengals in the playoffs.

[B]

But that defense is so.

[A]

I know, I know.

[B]

Horrible.

[A]

I know. But I'm telling you, man, you sneak in the playoffs, you could. Basically Every team is 0 and 0. You know, it does not matter.

[B]

It makes you so mad because there was. I was on an 8 winnable games.

[A]

Who was. And we ended up going to the super bowl and should have won. Like it. You just. You get. You get an offense and a QB like that in those moments, I'm telling you.

[B]

Well, quick trivia question for you to think about. We'll. We'll answer it before we bring my nephew on. Since playoff seating began in 1975, five teams have never been the number one seed. The Lions are one of them. Can you name the other 4 in.

[A]

The NFC or just an NFL?

[B]

Does the entire NFL. I'm sorry, the entire NFL since 755 teams have never been a 1 seed. Lions are one of them.

[A]

Yeah. Cardinals. Cardinals.

[B]

I have the Cardinals. I just not confirmed. Andrew's gonna throw it. Our producer Andrew Gumley's gonna throw in our chat. I would guess the Cardinals.

[A]

The Jazz.

[B]

I almost went Panthers, but they went 151 with Cam Jags. I got the Jags. I got the Jets. I can't remember a time where the jets were awesome.

[A]

The Texans. Oilers. Texans.

[B]

That's a good pick. I put the Vikings in there.

[A]

Oh, dude, the year they went 15 and they went 15 one with Randy Moss and Culpepper. I thought or I thought they were.

[B]

A 2 seed that year and the Giants knocked them out. Dude, can we have it because now I got, now I want to know.

[A]

Cardinals, Jags.

[B]

Cardinals. Correct.

[A]

Texans. Jackson. Correct.

[B]

Jets. Correct. Never a one seed. And the Buccaneers. I thought maybe The Jags are one seed in 1999. 14 and two. Mark. That's Mark Brunel.

[A]

Mark Brunel, yeah.

[B]

And is it Keenan.

[A]

Keenan McCardell.

[B]

Keenan McCardell. Fred Taylor. It's pretty.

[A]

Taylor was a dog.

[B]

I think that's the team.

[A]

Can you name the Jags quarterback after.

[B]

That after Mark Brunel?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

David Garard?

[A]

Yeah. Nice. He played for a long time in that. Right after Brunel. Cardinals, Texans, jets and Bucks. Wow. I feel like the jets are a part of our trivia questions all the time.

[B]

I feel like they're on the wrong side.

[A]

They're on the wrong side of this. Every time you kind of realize like they're kind of a shitty organization.

[B]

How did you feel about the saquon thing? He's 101 yard shy. Break a Dickerson's record. Now I also said I think Sittingham's good. It's a 17 game thing now. He did it in 16. And then before that was OJ edition.

[A]

The same with O Ed broke OJ's and had more games. Right. I mean it's, it's kind of the way it goes. I, I, it's funny.

[B]

He wanted to play. He said he wanted to play.

[A]

Yeah, it's, I think for me personally, like I would have loved to see him try maybe for a half or a quarter. You get again you get a gauge for like kind of how you're playing. It's like all he needs, 100 yards, which for him this year has not been tough to get. So like I think just the, the fan and me in the sport and I love Saquon, just would have been really cool to see because you know, some records are just live a long, long time. And actually it's funny man, because I was reading an article, like there's actually a lot of, a little bit of backlash. Like people are kind of saying like it's, it's anti fan, it's anti competitive. Like we pay to watch, like kind of like kind of like resting players in the NBA. It's a little bit different because NFL's so, so many fewer games. I'd be cur your thought on that from that perspective. But at the end of the day I had no problem with it because in football a bigger picture is winning a Super bowl. And that's your best and that is your, that is your prized, that's your horse.

[B]

In any other sport, I would say go for it, you know, but it. It is football. It is violent. And I. Look, I'm sure it would have been cool. Is it really cool for the fans? I feel like it's cool for Saquon and his family going forward, but as a fan, selfishly, I would rather him sit because I would never want to get a high ankle sprain. And they're not getting the one seed, so they're not. It's not like they go, we have a bye week two. In case you tweak something, you're playing that next week. And I think most Eagles fans. I know, Andrew's a big Eagles fan. I feel like they want Super Bowls and not rushing records. So I think for Saquon, it would have been cool. I don't think you're doing the fans a disservice at all. They have it wrapped up. If it was a, you know, if it was an important game, believe me, he'd be playing. If they needed that game to maybe be a 1 seed or maybe clinch a division, he's playing. So I don't feel like you're shorting the game. It's a meaningless game. It means nothing.

[A]

We might never see that. We might never see that record be broke. That's a. That's a tough record, man, because you gotta. Dude, you gotta. I mean, look, he might be the last, like, cow. You gotta. You have to play all 17 games as a running back averaging a buck 50 a game. Like, that's hard to do, man. Like that. That's kind of why, too. Like, I kind of want to see him try because it's like, dude, that's frick. Just like, that's awesome, man. Like, we get to witness greatness. But at the end of the day, by the way, yeah, Eagles fans don't give a.

[B]

And you mentioned earlier, Malik neighbors ruining your fantasy season. He also ruined the Giants draft situation, Drew Locke, but, I mean, he was throwing the neighbors over and over and over again. Again. You know, I've had time to process it with the Giant. As a Giants fan, I've talked.

[A]

How does that make you feel?

[B]

I hated it. I was texting Max Greenfield at halftime because not only was it destroying my parlay, but I was also texting him, why now? You played the game so you could answer this much better than I can. To me, I. As a fan, I can't understand why they. They would want to win that game, but I could see from a player's point of view, if you're playing for a job and you're laying down tape and all that. So is that how it works?

[A]

Yeah, I mean, there's not. Yeah, I think when you're in that locker room, like, you're like, again, like, it's a job. And again, football is so much different, man, than all these other sports, dude. Like, you play. You have 17 regular season games. Like, that's all you get. You get one game a week to put tape out there. Like, this is your job. Like, football is cutthroat, man. And so for these kids in there, for. And a guy like. And a guy like Drew Locke, like, Drew Locke's fighting to stand rosters. Like, he's obviously got a lot of talent. They can be a backup for a long time, but, like, when you get an opportunity, you're going to make the most of it. And kind of like, I think we'll see the Chiefs this weekend with backups. Like. Like, Andy Reid's not going to call a game to lose. Like, those guys, if they go out and win, it's because they played well. Like. Like. Like, that's an. Like, Carson Wentz has an opportunity this weekend to ball, and maybe. Maybe he gets a job starting. A chance at a starting job next year. So, like. Like, for. And for the Giants team, like, in day ball and all these guys, when your job's on the line, like, you want to. You want to go and win games.

[B]

I know. It's just.

[A]

Dude, I get it. Are you gonna. And also, like, at the end of the day, like. Like, there's not a. Like, you look at this draft, and I love Shador, and I think Shador is the best quarterback. But, like, last year, you had, like, Caleb, who's one, right? You had even Jaden Dan. Like, you had real elite. Elite. Like.

[B]

Like, yeah, this is what we need.

[A]

We want him. And not to say that's not Shador and Cam Warden, these guys. And, like, Travis Hunter is going to be up there. But, like, like, you win that game or you lose that game, you're still in the top five. You have a chance maybe to draft up if you want. You know, like, Patriots aren't taking the qb, so, like, there's still an opportunity there, man. But, like, as fans, I get it, but those players don't give a shit, dude. Like, they're playing for a paycheck. They're playing to be on the roster next year or another team's roster.

[B]

Well, we could also see what the. We could see what the younger generation of America Thinks about such things. Joining us now on the show, he's 16 years old. Live from New York City, Anthony Ferrari. How's it going, buddy?

[C]

All right.

[B]

How's it going, dude? What's up, Matt? Good, man, good.

[A]

Is that your game? Is that your gamer chair, by the way?

[C]

Yes, it is, actually.

[B]

One time.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

We've been having some battles in Madden, Matt, like some real.

[C]

Beat him in this chair every day.

[A]

Are you kick. Are you kicking? Are you kicking your uncle's ass or what?

[C]

Well, basically, yeah. I mean, if he doesn't run the ball every play, he can't win.

[A]

We'll get on the sticks, dude. I'll show you what's up. I'm sure. I'm sure Jerry's not very good.

[B]

And I wanted to talk to you because you and I have been. And I'm giving you. I'm hazing you a little bit, but, you know, I wouldn't say you're new to football, but you've been big into football since you pretty much started high school. So you're going on a few years, about two years. You stand hard for Josh Allen. My first question for you is, what? When did you discover Josh Allen was this elite quarterback? Like, you have the Giants in New York. Is it because the Giants and Jets are so bad?

[A]

It was.

[C]

I became a Bills fan just because. It may sound weird, but it was the first football game I've ever watched. Like, I turned on the tv, okay.

[B]

Put on the tv and the Bills are on.

[A]

That's all it takes.

[C]

I didn't know enough about football to even be a bandwagon. I knew nobody, like absolutely no one, so I turned it off.

[B]

Do people think you're a bandwagon because you like the Bills living in New York City?

[C]

Some people do say that. Some people like to say that, but.

[B]

So make the case for us, you know? And he's pretty clear favorite. I think he's minus 300 on most of the betting sites. I think lamar is like plus 1, 150. That's really. And it's coming down to this week. Why is Josh Allen the MVP of the NFL over Lamar, specifically? Because their stats are pretty. Pretty close.

[C]

They're pretty close, but I don't think you can do it based off stats just because if it was based off stats, Lamar Allen should have won it last year, you know, but if you watch the games, really, Lamar was MVP last year. You could have debated he was the best player on the best team. But I think this year, Allen's MVP number one, they're 13. Three, they had the division locked up for five weeks.

[B]

The stats are there. Horrible.

[C]

Okay. But they still locked it up pretty easily.

[B]

Okay, okay.

[C]

The stats are there for Allen. The record is there. If you watch the games, he's playing amazing. He beat the two best teams in the league, the Chiefs and the Lions. He beat them and he had incredible games against both of them. I just don't see if you're watching the games and you're not just looking at it based on stats, I don't see how you could say it's Lamar.

[A]

He also. He also got his ass whooped by Lamar, though, early in the season.

[B]

Good point from. From an NFL quarterback.

[A]

I'm just saying. By the way.

[B]

He blames the defense.

[A]

I mean, they only scored 10 points, so it's probably a little bit of both. But was a little bit of both. Yes. Okay, so this is where I think you and I compare, or you and I agree. I think Josh Allen's supporting cast. I'm never gonna say bad, because all these guys are. Are NFL players. But when you compare it, even to Lamar. Lamar's got Derrick Henry, dude. Derrick Henry, Yeah, totally. Arguably, by the way, could be the MVP this year. He's got Zay Flowers, who just made his first Pro Bowl. He's got Mark Andrews, who didn't have a down year, but obviously a Pro bowl tight end. Josh Allen has Khalil Shakir, who is leading. Exactly. And I know. And. And by the way, Uncle Jerry goes. Well. He's got Keon Coleman. Keon Coleman's the same. KEON Coleman has 40 catches this year. Dude, I know play and missed a bunch of games. Like, Keon Coleman's gonna be good. James Cook, by the way, had some. James Cook didn't even rush for 900.

[B]

Yards, but he's got 17 touchdowns.

[A]

Okay, but he didn't rush for 900 yards.

[C]

He didn't.

[A]

Josh Allen has 600 yards rushing. About.

[B]

Let's talk about the elephant in the room here. What. What continually comes up, and I. Especially between me and my nephew, is the Alan Mahomes debate, okay? Josh Allen does deserve to win MVP this year. He's going to win. He should win. But. And I know Mahomes stats have not been good, but now we're just talking about the position and who plays it well and who wins. Now, you could say the Chiefs have a better look at the supporting cast of the Chiefs and look at the supporting cast of the Bills this year. Not overall, because.

[A]

Right. I understand how on earth you can say that the. That the Bills supporting Allen's supporting cast is better than Mahomes.

[B]

I can make say that. Well, Anthony, who. Who do you think has a better supporting cast? The Bills of the Chiefs ant.

[C]

I would say it's relatively even. But the Chiefs are definitely not worse. They're definitely better. The defense is definitely a lot better than Buffaloes. I mean, when they played, they didn't let Derrick Henry have 200 yards like the Bills did. I gotta be the Chiefs. I mean, there's no D hop of Mari Coopers.

[A]

Jerry. They have. They. Yeah, Mari Cooper. They have the best tight end to ever play the game who's still playing at a high level. They have. And, and by the way, where I threw. Where I threw Uncle Jerry off the other day was I told him, I said you got to forget, man. Andy Reid and that offense, he's. He's outside of maybe Kyle Shanahan and maybe McVeigh, he's one of the best play callers of all time.

[C]

Yeah, Mahomes is in a better system.

[A]

I'm just all bring it up, dude. Are you kidding me?

[B]

So we're saying Mahomes is a system quarterback. What are we saying?

[A]

No, because he. No, I'm saying. I'm saying Mahomes. Mahomes is great. And by the way, I would say no one wants to see Mahomes in the playoffs. I don't care who he has. So that doesn't matter. By the way, the MVP really doesn't matter because it does. Doesn't give two shits. But who's the best? But who?

[B]

I mean, you're taking Mahomes over Allen every time.

[A]

Are you not in the playoffs? Because I.

[B]

What do you mean? This is.

[A]

What do you mean this year I'm taking Mahomes in the playoffs every time until proven otherwise. And by the. The only person to beat him, just like the only person to be Brad. Eli Manning. The only person beat Mahomes is Joe Burrow. And Joe Burrow's probably not going to be in the. In the playoff now. Okay, I think my. Maybe this is year. This is the year for the Bills. But everyone says the chiefs suck. They're 15 and one, dude. Like I don't care. Like they are still really good.

[C]

They're very beatable.

[B]

Let's talk about the supporting cast. You get me on Andy Reid, but like the coaching thing, I'm not. I'm just going off of the weapons he has on the field. Andy Reid is the best coach in the NFL for sure.

[A]

You're saying Mahomes. You're saying. Saying weapons are better than Mahomes this year.

[B]

I think when fully healthy, I think the Chiefs have the edge. I think losing their best wide receiver receiver who was having an amazing year and Rashe Rice was huge. He had. He had three. Three games and a quarter or two with Rice. Pacheco's played seven games this year.

[A]

Kareem Hunt. Bald Kareem Hunt.

[B]

Fine cream Hunt is.

[A]

Yeah, he's just as good.

[B]

He. He didn't have 17 touchdowns like James Cook who I think think go. I know he doesn't have a thousand rushing yards. He has a lot of receiving yards.

[A]

Who are you?

[B]

So Xavier worthy, great home run player like could take it to the house at any moment, but he's not someone that's going to go get you 10 for 130. And Kelsey, who I love. It's so clear the Chiefs are keeping the COVID on the car until the playoffs start. Like, I don't even think the Chiefs have begun to flex kels and they're 15 and 1.

[A]

Jerry, you can't even name anymore. Outside of Shakir and Keon Coleman, who can you name?

[B]

Well, Anthony, tell them. Give me your statement. Here's how I know 1. I know about all. I know all about the Bills and I've quoted you to Matt. Give me the quote that I love more than anything. While we were. We were watching a Bills game together, it might have been that Bills. Bill's Rams game, which was awesome. Give me the famous quote.

[C]

Matt Collins is the best wide receiver five in the league.

[B]

What does that even mean?

[A]

By the way? He's not even wide receiver five. He's got to be three or he plays three or four.

[B]

I just. I don't see the. To me Mahomes right now. Yes. He does not have the numbers to be in the conversation with Josh Allen or Lamar. Are we.

[A]

Wait, guys, hold on. I'm gonna. Cole, answer me this question. Who's got a better supporting cast? Josh Allen with Buffalo or Mahomes with the Kansas City Chiefs this year? Here. Who's. Who's a better supporting cast? He said Mahomes. Not even close.

[B]

I don't hear him saying anything.

[A]

He's right here. He's. He's about to go. We got Jerry's nephew on. We're talking.

[B]

We're talking this year with the current health situation.

[A]

No, look, he's coming in. Go call.

[B]

Call liner joke. What's up, buddy Homes by a mile with no recording right here. With no. With no Rice and seven games of Pacheco this entire season. You'd say Mahomes, and it's not even close. Yeah.

[A]

Travis Kelsey, Hollywood Brown.

[B]

Hollywood Browns. Played two games.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

But he's back Xavier worthy. Catches like he has. Like, he has like 30 catch. Okay, I'm waiting for these amazing names.

[A]

Who does Josh Allen have?

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

What is he in? Yak Anthony. What is Shakir in yards after catching?

[C]

He's top three.

[B]

I know that. Top three yards after cash, James Cook, 17 touchdowns. Dalton Kincaid, Amari Cooper, Keon Coleman, who I think is legit as a. As a very. But he hasn't proved that.

[C]

I mean, he can be legit, but he hasn't done anything.

[B]

Has Xavier worthy.

[A]

I can't hear. I can't hear you. But you should ask him who should be mvp, because he's gonna have a.

[B]

Different who's the MVP call. Who's the mvp? Who?

[A]

Lamar Jackson.

[B]

Lamar Jackson over Josh Allen.

[A]

Come closer. Lamar Jackson's best player of all time.

[B]

All right, so is that just a blanket award or do you think this year he was more valuable than Josh Allen?

[A]

Okay, I'm biased. I think Lamar is MVP every year just because what he does running and throwing. But more valuable to his team is. I mean, it's Josh Allen this year for sure.

[B]

Yeah, but you, you say quarterback rankings. Lamar's the best quarterback in the NFL.

[A]

100. That. Yep. For sure.

[B]

Anthony, who's your. Give us your top. See aol. Give us your top five. Matt. Matt, we're going to do top five. Give me your top five right now, today. Your top five. NFL based off the season. Yes, as of right now, best five. Well, let Anthony go first. Your top five quarterbacks.

[C]

So this is in no order, but.

[B]

No, no, no. I want the order.

[A]

Order.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

One's number one, Lamar's number two.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

I want to put Mahomes at three, even though I disagree.

[B]

You don't want to. That's not what you told me last night, buddy. Tell me what you said.

[C]

Number three, Herbert's number four, and mom's number five.

[B]

Herbert. I love her.

[A]

I have no. I have no problem with that list. Outside of Justin Herbert.

[C]

You could switch Herbert on my homes, but that's.

[B]

So you have my homes at 4.

[A]

All right, let me ask you. Let me ask you this question. You got Josh Allen, you got Lamar, you got Burrow, and you got Mahomes. Two minutes left. With these teams. With these teams down by six, need a touchdown to win. Who's your quarterback with these teams?

[C]

Josh Allen.

[B]

Come on, listen, I hope most turnovers.

[C]

Out of all them this year. How you can, how can you.

[A]

But I'm talking playoffs, dude. I'm talking, I'm talking Super Bowls on the line play. Got three rings at three rings, ball. You got to score touchdown to win.

[B]

You can go, Allen, you can go.

[A]

It's not a trick.

[C]

Well, it's definitely between Alan and Mahomes. Burl Lamar out of there.

[B]

Well, I will say this year, here's why I wanted to do this exercise too. I feel like because my home's numbers are for him the most pedestrian they've ever been. And they're still good, by the way. I mean, they're not great. Look, compared relative to where the rest of the NFL is, I think it's.

[C]

26 touchdowns, 11 interceptions.

[A]

Right.

[B]

That's not for him. That's not good. But I would be thrilled if Daniel Jones had that. I'd be absolutely. I'm sure the jets would even love to have a guy like that with those numbers. But he has become Mariano Rivera to me. He's a closer now. It's keep it close with the defense, don't do anything crazy. And then when the game is online, the thing his superpower now is close game. He now has that aura that MJ had LeBron to a degree at times where you just know the guy's gonna close out the game. You just know he's gonna feel. I was at the super bowl last year, the Niners were leading at half and we're in control of that game. But you just no one there was even the Niner fans were not jumping up and down like we got this. They were on edge and nervous because, you know, you have to me the best closer in the NFL by far on the other side. So I think he's graduated on to being that. I think if Mahomes wanted to go out and win the MVP awards and Andy Reid was like, let's do this, I think he could probably do it still. I think he probably throw 45 touchdowns if he wanted to. All right, last thing before we let you get back to. Maybe we'll play some Madden later. We know it's the Bills. Who are the Bills playing in the Super Bowl? What's your super bowl matchup?

[C]

How can you say anyone else but.

[B]

Detroit, injuries and all.

[C]

Okay, I don't see, I mean, I think Detroit would beat Philadelphia. I do think Minnesota is going to win though, and get the one seed.

[B]

I do too. See, we're aligned on that. I, I, I picked them earlier so.

[A]

Detroit comes out of the nfc, huh? Think so.

[C]

I mean, how can you not want that Bills line? We saw it happen the first time they.

[A]

Bill's lying dope. That would be. Yeah, I think.

[B]

And we might even get. Do you buy anything into like Hutchinson really saying, if we get to the Super Bowl, I'm playing?

[A]

Hell yeah.

[B]

Oh, physically, Kenny. I mean, he broke his leg. It was a violent shot. Leg break.

[C]

And even if he plays, does that mean he's going to be himself?

[B]

Styles?

[C]

I mean, first game off of injury.

[A]

Dude, there's something, there's something called you take a couple shots before you can't. You get that adrenaline going you don't feel for three hours. I'll tell you what, if he's, I, I don't know, I don't know what his prognosis is now at this point, but like, if he's healthy enough, why not?

[B]

And Dan Campbell will be crazy enough to be like, all right, you're in. Get suit up, get in there.

[C]

He would definitely something, definitely he would do.

[B]

All right, Ant, well, listen, good luck to Josh Allen and the Bills. We'll, we'll talk later. We'll run some Madden later. But good, good first podcast appearance. We're going to get you back on with Cole, maybe some of Cole's friends, and we're really just going to let the, the younger generation take over this thing.

[C]

All right, let's do it.

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All right, it's time for Money moments presented by our friends over at Cash App. Sending, spending, saving, splitting, tipping, donating, gifting, or just typing in numbers, all with the number one finance app in the App Store. That's money. That's Cash App. Matt, who or what is our money moment this week? There's a lot to pick from.

[A]

There's a lot. There's a lot to pick from. I almost said we talked about Cam Scatter Boo earlier. I almost wanted to go Cam Scatter Boo because, just because he's becoming my favorite player, I gotta give it to my former UFC quarterback Sam Darnold. And the money moment of him coming in the locker room, the whole team cheering for him, putting him up on the shoulders a little bit. Like, like, like a Rudy type feel to it, right? And, and this. God, I feel like we talked about Sam so many times on this, but it's just, it's such a freaking awesome comeback story this year. And, and to give a little context, right, like this kid drafted 2018 top 5 overall to new York jets, right? Tough place to go play and be successful. And we know what happened there. And he had the infamous, like I'm seeing ghosts on the sideline. And he became, he, he became an NFL bust after three years, right? That's what happens especially when you play in New York. He goes to the Panthers, not much success there. Then he goes to San Francisco as a back up, right? And, and, and a restart and kind of a re. Energize. I know what that's like. I did something similar when I went to Houston and Gary Kub Kubiak, just to kind of take a step back. You're not starting, there's no pressure. Learn the system, re. Learn the position, get your confidence back and then maybe get a shot if you get another shot. And that's the crazy thing is, so then Kevin O'Connell takes a chance on, on him. In Minnesota, they draft JJ McCarthy top 10 overall to be the guy. And if JJ McCarthy doesn't get hurt in the preseason, he probably might be the starter because he was playing pretty well. You think about that. That. And so you don't get very many opportunities in the NFL, especially at quarterback. And for him to. You just put this year in context for him to be 14 and 2 and to just be balling like every week. And for every week there's always people out there like not giving him his flowers because of what they think he was in the past. And I hate that because I think Sam has always been a very good quarterback back. He's Just finally in the right system with a coach and a team, an organization that believes in his talent. And let me tell you something, Jerry, J.J. mcCarthy is probably going to get traded. And let me tell you something, Sam Darnold is probably going to get a massive bag this off season. So he's my money player, my money moment, my money comeback that's going to lead us into our throwback three. But I got Sammy D. You know what the Red. What do we call them?

[B]

The Red Hammer.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

I would be thrilled with. This is how bad it is for the Giants. I would be thrilled with one of those two quarterbacks on the Giants next.

[A]

Year, by the way. So it's an interesting situation because J.J. mcCarthy, coming off an injury, obviously a very, very talented, not a deep quarterback class this year. You have kind of the two guys right now, Shador Sanders and Cam Ward, Josh Allen or not Josh, I was who J.J. mcCarthy is one of those guys to keep it on one of those teams in the top five.

[B]

He said they're going to take calls. I mean, that's the other thing though. The technically, the Vikings could sign Darnold to a big contract. JJ's on that field.

[A]

They could just.

[B]

They don't have to do anything.

[A]

They don't have to do anything. But if you can get a couple, I mean, if you can get major draft capital or, or slide up in the draft and get some players and you know, you have Sam and then go get, you know, go get a free agent QB as a backup. Knowing. And again knowing in that system with O'Connell, like, you're going to get a lot out of your quarterbacks there because of how great of coaching is. It's a win. Win for Minnesota. Sam Darnold, shout out to Sammy D. We saw like Bryce Young come back, benched Baker Mayfield, like comeback. Like the Cleveland Browns just threw him to the street and look what he's doing.

[B]

So, so did Darnold, your number three for our throwback three, comeback athlete in football.

[A]

Yeah. So comeback athlete in football, throwback three. He's not. I'm gonna throw him in there. I did this quickly. There's so many, there's so many great stories. I mean, gosh, like, you know, demar Hamlin, obviously, a couple years ago, literally, I mean, literally, like heart stopped on the field. He's not in my top three. But that kind of goes without saying. Pierce off for 49ers this year. Got shot and like, got shot in San Fran and, and came back and played.

[B]

This is all my time, though. You can go any year you want.

[A]

Yeah, I'm going all time. I'm gonna, I'm gonna go. Alex Smith is number three. Good pick and we're buddies. We almost came out the same year. I came back my senior year. Hell of a career in Kansas City. San Francisco obviously had the horrific, you know, Joe Theisman esque injury to the leg. And I don't, gosh, I don't know how many surgeries. Had dozens of surgeries, infections. Almost amputated his leg. Right. Like, I think he was really close to losing his leg, but then comes back and plays. I don't know how many years he played after that, but came back and actually played I think for the, the Redskins at the time. Right? It was. Yeah. So I mean just an unbelievable career. Cut short probably because of that, but then came back. Incredible story and even, and just an even better dude. Alex Smith is one of the best dudes out there. So that's my number three.

[B]

So my number three. He's one of my favorite players of all time to watch. He was on teams I didn't like is Randall Cunningham. You know, he burned out with The Eagles in 95. He gets benched. He sits out all of the 1996 season. Your boy coach Denny Green lures him back in 97 with the Vikings. I think he sounded like a one year, $400,000 deal. He's got Chris Carter on the team, goes on for that crazy wild card win comeback that they had. And then he comes back off the bench like the next year in 98 when Brad Johnson goes down. That was when Randy Moss was there. It just was a wild two years. It went 15 and one that year. So Randall Cunningham, just a player I, I thought was done. To be honest. I remember being a kid watching, thought he was done, came back. So that's my number three, Randall Cunningham.

[A]

He was so fun to watch. So fun. Guy could just heave the ball like a hundred yards too. Remember he had that one punt when he had. This is the longest punt.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like 90 something yards. That's right. Number two, Peyton. I would, I think, think again. This is kind of my era with the neck injury and the fusion or the bit, the back, whatever. Like, like he was sidelined the whole year and then goes. Eventually goes back to Denver and just in the last couple years of his career and wins a Super bowl with no arm strength left with, with no arm strength. And Peyton's one of the greatest of all time. But like you watch it like they had the great defense that year. But no arm strength, couldn't throw the ball past 20 yards. And just. And just that. That's what made him so great. But to sit. I mean, messing with the neck and all that kind of stuff, man, is like super dangerous, especially playing a sport of football. And for him to come back and then win another bowl or win a Super bowl was pretty incredible, man.

[B]

Yeah, I agree. I remember because, you know, they lost that first super bowl to the pants to.

[A]

Yeah, yep.

[B]

To the Seahawks. And it was just like, oh, this is not going to happen. Denver's done. And that. That is one of the more remarkable.

[A]

Who do they beat in the super bowl that year? They beat.

[B]

They beat Cam and The Panthers. The 15 and 1 Panthers they beat. And that was the one at Giant Stadium, I believe, which I still.

[A]

That's right. They lost to Seattle. Remember, like the opening drive, they threw the. They snapped the ball over.

[B]

Over his head. You knew the game was over right there.

[A]

I was like, dude, Legion of Boom is done.

[B]

So my number two is I kind of broke my rule. I usually have to have someone I've watched, but this one is just a fun one. When I researched and I read his story, Ed2 Tall Jones, what made this cool for me? Listen, check it out. One of the best defensive ends, when he walked. He walked away in 79 because. At 28, because he wanted to pursue a career in boxing. This dude. Check this out. He had an 88 inch reach. So for context, Tyson Fury, who's 6, 9, whatever, has an 85 inch reach. He has 3 inch longer reach than Tyson Fury. I think he went like 50 in boxing, but then took. So he's out of the NFL for almost two years. Then he comes back to the Cowboys and just picked up right where he left off. He made three more Pro Bowls and he lasted all the way to when Jimmy Johnson got there in 89. I thought that was just a cool one. I mean, also, like, you quit to play boxes. You're not quitting because you want to protect your body. Body. You're quitting and you go into boxing. I think that's a different kind.

[A]

All right, number one is Michael Vick. And maybe a little controversial, but when you look back and. And Michael Vick to me, because we were. Because he was someone when I was in high school. So I'm trying to think the years he was at Virginia Tech and he was. He changed the game like, of how we watch football, in my opinion, especially quarterback. Like, there were guys like Steve Young and guys who could run, but like Michael Vick was the first like, like video game player at that position. We're like, holy, right? So. And he had a great career in Atlanta. And I remember my first, my first real action as a rookie was in Atlanta against Vic. I. We were losing. So I went in the second half, I threw. I think I threw a picker touch. And I remember talking after the game, he's like, oh man, you're have a bright future buddy, blah blah, blah. And so like I always just respect him. Obviously the whole issue, the dog fighting and this and, and just all of that went down and he goes to jail. I think I remember right. Didn't he go to prison for however long? So career done in prison, out of the NFL. And then when he gets out, I remember he really like, you know, like second chances, right. And, and I think he had a different perspective. And I remember, I remember and I was young when I was watching all this, but I was playing and it was like he was just like started advocating for all these other things and he just really. He really turned it around and then goes back and goes to Philly and balls in Philly, right. Like a second like, like almost like mj, like two real separate careers and then so then does that and then it's more so now because then he goes to Fox and I gotten to know him at FOX over the last handful years. It's a great dude, man. Like every time I talk to him, he's just a great one of those guys. Like he's just, just always asking how the family like just a really good dude and then just got the job, I think Norfolk State. Right. As a head coach in college football. And again we've. We're seeing more of these ex players become head coach. Head coaches. I think, I think his story is. Is incredible of, of kind of turning it around and you know, a perfect example of getting a second opportunity to, to kind of like make things right. And he was able to do that and now he gets a chance to mentor young men in college and, and again, I just think he's an incredible dude, man. So one of the best comeback stories I think we've ever seen in, in all sports.

[B]

Yeah, you're. You're almost not supposed to come back from something like that.

[A]

Right.

[B]

You know, that is supposed to derail you and you know, you could maybe rehabilitate your life, but you're not supposed to have a professional sports career after that. And he didn't. It was Andy Reid who yeah, took the shot and success there too.

[A]

Like He.

[B]

A lot.

[A]

I mean, yeah.

[B]

Talk about a fantasy draft pick, too. God, Michael Vick was. Was all time.

[A]

I didn't play. I didn't play fantasy football. Then I, you know, I never stop. I never started playing fantasy until like seven years ago.

[B]

That's my problem. I go back to 93. I drafted Moises Alu in a baseball draft in 1993. So maybe that's my problem. All right. My number one. This one might make me prisoner of the moment, and it's a recent new one. And. And I just.

[A]

It.

[B]

I have to give it to Baker Mayfield similar to Darnold, but there's some differences because also, I know a lot of people in Cleveland. I've spent a lot of time in Cleveland. His exit at Cleveland was one of the more rockiest.

[A]

And you after he won a playoff game, too, right?

[B]

And then he got kicked to the curb.

[A]

Pittsburgh.

[B]

Cleveland's a fishbowl with, you know, with their football with the Browns. Like I. So the way he went out was rough. Then obviously he goes to. Similar to Darnold goes to the Panthers. Doesn't work. To me, Baker was way closer to being out of the league than Darnold was.

[A]

Hold on real quick. Remember when he went to the Rams. The Rams and won on one on Thursday night or something like that?

[B]

That's what you mean when you say that there's no tanking in the NFL, right? Because, like, you have guys playing for that kind of comeback. But now I also think, like, 50 of teams that went to the fantasy championship had either like Baker, Lamar, Josh, Allen, or Saquon. Right? He was one of mine, and that is by far his team. He got another massive contract. But most importantly, that dude looks like he found the love again.

[A]

And it's.

[B]

To me, that's the greatest comeback. And hopefully he has success in the playoffs. But he was, to me, I thought he was very close to being out of the NFL.

[A]

Very close. I'm telling you. Like, I'm telling you at quarterback, you get. Get maybe. Maybe a handful of opportunities at that position, and it could be. You could be a loss. But if you play well, it could be preseason. You play well, but, like, you only get so many, especially as a number one pick. And then you get cut and all this, and then you're. And then you're on, you know, vet minimum. Like, it's really hard to make it, dude. And you get. You better ball. You get one game, you better go out and ball. And then. And then you get it. Then you get one more year and then in that year, you get one game maybe or two as a backup up. You better ball. And he was signed by Tampa. Not even like they were going to start. Who was backing up Tom. When the Florida kid, it was like.

[B]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

Well, it was like Baker. They signed Baker to compete. It wasn't even like maybe they knew he was going to be a star, but he was competing, like with. I forget the. The. The Florida kid who got drafted like second round and someone else maybe. And then he won the job and he's been outstanding. I. I love that, man. Especially the qb. I just love, like, you're thrown to the wool. Like, this league is rough, dude. And if you have a bad year or you're just whatever and like they throw you to the. To the curb like it's hard to come back. That's why I even think, like Bryce Young kind of coming back mid season wild.

[B]

What I love too about Bakers was different than Darnold's. For me, it's like Darnold got drafted and they kind of never worked out from the beginning.

[A]

Baker, yeah.

[B]

Baker was a star. He was in commercials. He was a star. And it was like a fall from grace. I think that's a little harder to rebuild from. So that's my number one dude. I'm curious to hear yours hit us. Yeah, well, there's a lot. Look, Doug Williams is a great story because Doug Williams was basically getting paid less than backup quarterbacks. And then he had to go spend a year in a usfl. And then I think that was all with Tampa. It might have been. Then he comes back and the super bowl mvp. That's a great one. Fluties and interest. A fun one. It didn't make my top three, but Flutie is definitely a fun one. I had Demar look Gino. Gino Smith is.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You know, didn't crack my top three, but he's up there too. And like, even like Ricky Williams had an interesting. It's like the guys who either walk away or have a massive injury and.

[A]

Find their way back. We got to get Ricky Williams on.

[B]

I think Ricky was just on Manzel's.

[A]

On glory days because what Coach Wantstead, who. I'm tight. We gotta get Wanstead on, too.

[B]

I heard he's a great dude.

[A]

He's the best. He coached Ricky. When Ricky did like that whole, like, sabbatical, he went off the RA like there's some. Wattstead was his coach was literally like. Like, he told us stories also. We'll say that for a pod because they're freaking unbelievable.

[B]

Kyle Trask was the quarterback with, with Baker. So that's it. That's our throwback. Three comeback athletes. It's a. We, we did it.

[A]

Good, good comeback athletes though.

[B]

I like yours, but. Oh, you talk about. Of any sport.

[A]

Yeah, we'll do that one another time. Yeah, I mean there's so many good ones. Dude. We survived by the. We survived the holidays.

[B]

We could like Larry David said, by the way, real quick, do we have.

[A]

Any news from the Ferrara family yet? Are we.

[B]

No, no news. I know what you're saying, you son of a gun. No news. But I will say I left out a cool New Year's Eve moment. It. Okay, this is years ago before kids. I once in the same 24 hour period played nine holes of golf with Larry David and played beer pong with Larry David.

[A]

Oh, that's awesome.

[B]

And I kept calling him Larry David.

[A]

Remember much of it?

[B]

And he anytime a ball would touch the floor, if someone didn't get it, he would wash the ball. Obviously. This is, this is disgusting. So shot New Year's Eve. Not all bad, but I'm ready to go into 20, 25. No more happy holidays, no more happy new. It's over. We're back to living life. Let's go.

[A]

By the way, we have some. We're not. We have some big stuff coming up on throwbacks here. Can't wait next couple months.

[B]

Happy New Year, everybody. Last time you're going to hear me say it. Peace.