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Throwbacks with Matt Leinart & Jerry Ferrara
Dak’s Down on Dallas, Saquon’s Stunning Leap, Kelce vs a Fan and Kurt Warner Joins the Show!
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A
Is there a surprise, a takeaway so far? Quarterback play, Anything that sticks out to you?
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B
Yeah, quarterback play, I think is terrible right now. Guys trying to come from college to play our game, it's faster. You know, good athletes in college are not good athletes in the NFL, so to speak. You got to know what you're doing. You got to know what you're seeing.
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C
Welcome to another episode of Throwbacks, everybody. However you're taking in the show today, we appreciate it. Subscribe to us on YouTube, follow on Apple and Spotify and rate and review. Do all those things. Hit us up on social at Throwback show. We've also been throwing our throwback three every week, so you guys can let us know what you're thinking and we do respond to you as always. Matt Liner, how's it going today, buddy?
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A
Whether they like us or not. Whether they like us or not, it's going good, man. How was. We are a week from removed from Halloween and just first show in November.
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C
First show.
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A
First show November. Just a little Halloween recap. How was it? I'll tell you what, Were you a Grinch? I know you're a little bit. Little Grinch.
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C
No, I wasn't a Grinch, but so we're doing throwback, our throwback three today. We have a really good category. I'm going to say my Halloween recap is in. The thing that stuck out to me is in my Halloween recap with the throwback three. I will say, though, I got my fur, my brie, my lovely wife who was on last week mentioned elf on the shelf to me yesterday and I put my cover in my ears and ran, not read.
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A
The thing is, is both of our wives have agreed, I think that November 5th, November 15th is doomsday.
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C
It's an embargo. We have an embargo.
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A
It's the day you and I are going in the attic and just starting to. Yeah, like we're little elves for Santa's elves. I know. Gosh, if they team up together, we are screwed. Dude, we got to stay strong, bro.
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C
No, I think we have it in a, in a, in a. In a good place.
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A
November is great. Like, you got the college football last couple weeks, a great race. Playoffs, you got.
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C
Yeah, playoffs. Heating up, heating up.
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A
Just everything starts to heat up in November. You know, baseball's over. Basketball's picking up. I think, you know, NFL, we're halfway through. We're starting to see some of these division races kind of heat up. Some of the teams that. That we said were a couple weeks ago are Starting to make a run. I mean, Sam, Bengals are one. Like. Like, that's why we love. We love football, man.
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C
Speaking of the Rams and also your former team, Arizona Cardinals, we got Kurt Warner joining us today. Greatest show on turf. I mean, listening to that dude and the way he talks about quarterbacks, you're going to learn something. I think he's calling the game, too. In Germany, the. The barn burner.
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A
The.
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C
That will be Giants, Panthers. That's what we want Europe to see. Giants, Panthers.
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A
What is that? I'm going.
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C
I'm going.
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A
Yeah, right.
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C
Imagine I called you. I'm like, matt, I'm on the plane that Jerry. Giants, Panthers.
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A
I would be like, why Bri. Bri would not allow that to happen. I'm excited to talk to Kurt because for a lot of reasons. You know, Kurt and I played together in Arizona for four years and it. It's such a fascinating, like quarterbacks and quarterback rooms and veterans versus rookies and all like it quarterb play, which Kurt. There's no one better to talk quarterback play than Kurt, so I think he's going to be fascinating. But also just going back to our time, you know, we don't really get a chance to talk that much because of lies and busyness and all that. But, like, it was a crazy time, you know, me getting drafted and taking his spot than me being labeled what I've been labeled, but having a chance to really learn from him. And like, you know, we really became really close in that quarterback room and really became friends. So I'm excited kind of. Kind of to peel back those layers a little bit, you know, what of memories and. And also, like, dude, he was a part of some of the best teams that ever played. Like, he's. I mean, listen, if you love football and you want to hear stories like this is. This is. This is your episode. Because he's. He's going to be great.
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C
Well, you mentioned also basketball. It's November. Basketball star.
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A
And just give the Knicks doing.
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C
By the way, can I have 20 seconds? And I'm not going to crush you with basketball just yet. Could I have 20 seconds?
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A
Okay, you can have 30. Yeah.
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C
Give you 30 seconds. All right. Knicks off to a rough start. Not rough start. The 500 team, they're figuring things out, but I. More so I'm waiting. Chris Mannix, one of my favorite reporters, one of my favorite journalists. Love him for boxing, basketball. That's my opinion. He made this whole take of Mikhail Bridges, changed his shot. Someone's gonna get fi. Mikael Bridges is shooting the Same way he shot last year. I'm waiting for the follow up. Chris, you said you were gonna be following this Mikael Bridges shooting hitch story real closely. You talked a bunch of shit on opening night and warmups. You haven't said a word since.
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A
Just waiting.
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C
Where's the follow up? Where are you? Report like, hey, his jump shot looks fine. Everything's fine. He's shooting the same exact way he did last year.
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A
Joshua.
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C
Nuts.
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A
He obviously hates you. Are you guys. Do you have a relationship? Do you have a relationship?
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C
I know Chris for a long time.
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A
Cause the way way you talk about him, it makes me feel like you want to punch him through your. Your Twitter fingers.
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C
Matt, he fired the first shot. And maybe it's my Italian blood if I have like a vendetta. I was minding my business one day and my Twitter account blew up because Chris Manic said it's Nick fan's fault that Jalen Brunson's not starting in the All Star game. That whole. I'm like, okay, yeah, we debated it.
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A
That's a stretch.
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C
But he, he, he did a drive by on me. He just, he didn't text me that. He tweeted me that draw drive by. So now I drive by him every single. After every Knicks game. I at him, dude, I would post him.
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A
I would love to get him on the pod and just anytime. Yeah, let's get him on the pod and just. I.
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C
And he's. He can handle me talking shit to it. Like, he's not offended easily. He can, yeah.
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A
But I would just stir the hell out of that pot. I just like, I want to see you guys end up, like, yelling at each other.
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C
I can't stand his basketball takes. I cannot stand. Maybe it's because he's a Celtics fan too. He's a really good journalist. I cannot stand his basketball takes that. You gave me like 90 seconds there. I love you for it.
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A
What's the Knicks or what? What are they four and four going into tonight?
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C
They're, you know. Well, by the time this episode airs, they'll either be. They're three and three right now. They'll either be four and three or three and four. So nothing to write home about just yet. It's early. Let's talk about the NFL really quick. The things that stuck out. And I always try to think, what are the things I need to talk about with Matt, obviously the Cowboys, everyone loves to talk about them. But Dak getting caught on camera saying, we fucking suck. I want to ask you.
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A
He's not Wrong.
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C
Well, my first thought is that's, like, a tale as old as time. Meaning I only played sports up until, like, sophomore year of high school, so I'm not the best reference point, but I can remember being 10 years old in little league baseball on a bad team and striking out and going back to my bench, be like, we fucking suck. And everyone's like, yeah, we kind of do. I saw nothing terrible about that.
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A
Right? It's like. It's like, people forget, like, athletes are human. Athletes are playing a sport. Most of us all played sports growing up. Like, you said you played sports growing up. And it's like, yeah, when you call an ace, you know, a spade, a spade, it's like, dude, we suck. He's right. We're not like. Like, we're not good. We're not a good team. And just because we're the Dallas Cowboys and, like, there's all these expectations. We're in the media. It's like, we are like, what are they, 2 and 6? I mean, they're like. Like, that is bad. And I'm telling you what, man. I've been on bad teams, and the Cowboys are like, it's. You can't win because they are just like. I mean, they're not. I don't even. They're America's team, right? That's what they're labeled, but they're just always in the media. Good or.
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C
It's got to be exhausting. After all.
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A
It's got to be exhausting. And now that you're bad and this was a team that was coming in that was like, hey, talent on paper, you know, this and that. It's a playoff team. It can go south really quick. And that's just frustration. There's no problem with that. They suck. They. They do. And I don't know. Like, I don't know.
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C
And he said it to someone. He didn't mumble it to himself. There was a few players within earshot. So clearly, you can't even say, oh, the locker room's falling apart. No, they all agree. They fucking suck.
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Their Cowboys. Andrew, thank you. Cowboys are three and five, but three and five.
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C
Well, three and three and five, Dak doesn't see. And Dax as well.
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Dax out for a little bit. Yeah. Look, I think it's. It's. We're. We're seeing a little bit of division right, in some of these locker rooms and teams. And I'm telling you, man, when. When you lose at that level, people start. I say, like, you ca. You start catching some stray Bullets, dude. Like, locker room kind of becomes divided. You know, quarterbacks get a lot of heat if they're not playing well. You got. You got guys start chirping online. Like it just. It's just when that's what's happening with.
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C
The say you just described to me. I just thought you described the New Orleans Saints.
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A
Yeah. You got Michael Thomas taking shots at.
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C
What's up with that?
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A
That's. That, like, that bothers me. It bothers me because there's a time and a place for that, you know, And I look like, like Derek Carr might not be playing to maybe the expectation what he's making all of those things.
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C
No. And he's been in and out of the lineup.
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A
Whatever. We could. We can say that I think Derek Carr is pretty. Is a good dude. He works hard. I think he's like, he's won a lot. Like, he's had a lot of success in the league as well. But like, like to take. I just, I hate, I hate that type of stuff. Like, if you got a problem with a dude, that's. That's that you go to his face, you go in the locker room and you confront him and hash it out within the walls. Because that's what a team is, right? And so when people get online and we saw. I mean, God, we saw this with Jason Kelsey this past week with a fan. But like, when people get to that. Yeah, yeah. When people get to a point and this is an athlete, right? Just like using this platform just to talk shit. And then. And then it's like, then you gotta. The quarterback's gotta answer it in the media. It becomes a national story where guys like us now talk about it. It's like, like, grow the up, dude. Honestly, that's my thought on it. So it pisses me off. And maybe it's because I've been in that situation before, but it's like, if you got a problem with me, come to my face and tell me, and that's fine. And we can talk like men. We're not going to talk via, you know, X.
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C
Well, that does go on. But also you're trying to say like he's. He got Olave hurt. Obviously not intentionally, but he's. He's so bad that he just gets his wide receivers hurt. If that's a thing. I mean, you could. There's lots of quarterbacks that probably threw some passes that are like, I left my guy out to dry and they got crushed. I don't think that's unique to Derek Carr or intentional.
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A
Yeah. That was. It's just. It's just like, for what? But that's. That's the world. That's this Internet culture that we've created where just. It's. People think there's free reign without consequences.
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C
Yeah, dude. Scary panic and just throw the ball. That's what he Series of.
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A
Get him the F out of here. He is so ass.
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C
Well, he might not be wrong about that. But. But I don't think.
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A
I'm just saying, listen, like. Like there. There's a time and place, and I've been in those locker rooms where you're like. Like, if your QB's not playing well, he's gonna get. You know, gets all the glory, gets all the shame, all that stuff. And that's part of the position. That's why you make $50 million a year. You got a problem, you address it. You address it within the walls. The quarterback takes responsibility. I've been in. I've been in meetings where QBs come up and say, I'm not playing well enough for this team. I'll get better, or whatever. And that's just how you handle that shit. Like your grown men handling it. It's a job. It's a business, but unfortunately, it's just a different world, man. It's a different world that we live in.
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C
Well, we also saw what a job and a business it was from my guy, Saquon Barkley. I still don't. I still don't get the Giant fan bitterness, but I just. I just. I didn't share this on Twitter. I saved it for this. Watching that play, which we've seen him do amazing things with the Giants. I know some shows and people in the media are trying to, like, name the move, whatever that backward reverse spin is. For me, it's just called the Heartbreaker because. Not that I'm mad at him because he's in Philly. Do you know what it was like, Matt? It was like going on Instagram and your ex girlfriend, you see her and now she's like, in Bora Bora with her very handsome, wealthy new boyfriend. That's what it felt like. You're on Instagram, you look at it.
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Like, oh, it's like the. Like the revenge body.
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B
Yeah.
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And all of a sudden it's like.
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C
Oh, man, she's in. What are they doing in Bora Border? At the Four Seasons, they got one of those huts over the water.
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And then you. Then you. Then you start scrolling and deep diving on accidentally. You accidentally like a photo, and you start to sweat.
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C
Like, he's on his fourth business. He sold his fourth business. Wow, that guy looks great. Definitely better than me. That's all. I felt, like, happy for him. That move would have been the bright spot of the Giants season. The whole season that would have been. We would have dined out on that move if that was in a Giants jersey.
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He's just. Dude, he's just. He's an incredible athlete. Like, it's just. It's. It's. You can't really. It's. Especially in football. Cause it's so hard. Cause all of these athletes. The best part. And this was. And you know, the best part about this was the. All of the videos now of the Eagles reactions, all his teammates, and, like, the whole thing was like, these are grown men, grown athletes, the best at what they do. Watching their buddy do the same thing to the best athletes in the world. And they are, like, in awe. Right? Like, it would be like. I was like, Saquon reminds me of, like, Bo Jackson. Like, but it's two different errors, but the build and the athleticism and, like, just the things you could do. It's like this dude is hurtling guys spinning, hurtling backwards, getting like, like, like, like get back and get up and get back in the huddle. Run next week. Like nothing happened. It's like. It's like, well, sometimes you need to stop and just appreciate, like, holy. Like, this dude is different.
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C
It's hard to see new things. Even the, like, the Garrett Wilson catch was awesome.
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A
Yeah.
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C
But I. I've seen that before, you.
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Know, and it's always compared to like, oh, who Odell. And then like, is this the greatest.
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C
Different. It's slightly different versus the same.
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We've never seen that before. We've never seen that before.
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C
That catch.
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No. Saquon.
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C
Oh, Saquon. Never see. And then the only other thing I've seen this year in football, I haven't seen before. I'm forgetting the. The dude on Alabama, the receiver who had that. Yeah.
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That crazy little.
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C
I've never seen. I've just never seen a human body do that. Those are the two things this year that I've never seen before. And I hope we continue to get it, but we're running out of stuff.
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By the way, dude, I'm just hoping not to. I'm just hoping not to pull a hammy just shooting a horse in the.
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C
In our shootout that we're going to have at USC in a couple.
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I mean, we should start pumping that up, dude, because it is on. I. By the way, I'm creating a lot of hoopla around this.
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C
Yeah, we have our three point shootout.
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When was the last time you shot a basketball?
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C
This is a great question because I was playing a little bit in the summer and then I shot something at Madison Square Garden where we were shooting a little bit. So I don't think.
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I don't want any excuses.
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C
There's no excuses. I'm the only one.
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You have time. If you don't shoot, that's on you.
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C
I'm going to get out there. Well, I'm flying the LA actually this week, but I'm going to get out. I'm going to get. I need two days to get some shots. That's all. We're not playing like a five on five or I gotta run.
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Yeah, but they're. But they're. But. But you're playing and it's not a.
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C
Time three point shootout, right? We're not timing it.
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A
No, we're not gonna time it. But you might have people watching you there, buddy.
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C
I've been having people watch me for 25 years. Ain't gonna scare me now. I failed in front of more people. I've failed things in front of more people than that will be at wherever we're shooting.
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Oh, I can't wait. I can't wait.
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C
Well, you mentioned Kelsey earlier and I know a lot. Almost everyone has commented on it, but I do think we need to talk about it because I think there's a bigger picture with all this stuff, Kelsey and Bede, even the stuff we were talking about with Mike, with Michael Thomas and Derek Carr. But we saw Jason, Kelsey in the smashed phone and the home. We saw it. We know what happened. We don't have to rehash. I just feel like, and I'd love to get your opinion, I just feel like it's a slippery slope no matter which way you go. Because on one hand, I'm old school in a sense of like, oh, you want to make that joke on Twitter? All right, I don't know who you are. You got me. You want to make it to my face. That's a different story. And all the rules are gone. But in the same boat Chelsea has, you know, is a very, very public figure right now. He showed and lost restraint in amazing ways. At the same time. Breaking the phone is a complete loss of restraint. But then him kind of getting pushed.
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A
But it was.
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C
And not smashing the guy's face after that is amazing restraint. So I do think that crossing this line where you get that close to a, in this case, a former Player, but now big personality and you get to say that stuff. I don't know. I worry.
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A
He should have punched him in the face and it would have been justified. But yeah, I mean, it's, it's, it's a fine line. And I'm, but, but I'm glad it happened in that sense because we talk about this Internet culture and you know, you, you can hide behind a screen and you can type away because now you have access to, you have direct access to athletes, public figures, politicians, whatever it is, like, you can communicate with them and if they choose to communicate back with you, like you are literally speaking to that person. So you can tell them whatever the hell you want, good or bad, and you do it without consequence and zero.
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C
You don't got to work.
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Zero. Zero. You know, we call it like, you know, Twitter, Twitter fingers and like you can hide behind a keyboard, but that's, that's what people do. So when it happens, and it very rarely happens, I think in person, like we saw with Kelsey, I'm kind of glad it happened in a sense because a lot of these people, you know, like, like they need to be reminded that, like, there are consequences at times for this. If you do that, you are lucky he didn't beat the hell out of you. Now maybe they want that because then they can sue and they can do all these things. Like, they're like, sure, that's the shitty world we're in. But I think it just reminded. I thought he handled it perfectly. Great, honestly, probably better than a lot of people because as you said, you know, he lashed out with the phone, which by the way, was great. Didn't put his hands on the guy, but, you know, like, don't mess. And then, and then he showed the patience and the restraint to be like, say what? And he moved on. But I hope it's a wake up call for people, man. Like, like, like it's one thing on online and you can do this and all that, but like, when you're in person and like, dude's mind your own business and you're walking, you're going this. And like you have, you maybe have a couple drinks in you and you all of a sudden you're like, oh, I'm feeling pretty tough today. Well, you're not, you're not, you're not, you're not. And by the way, that could have ended very, very badly for you. So.
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C
Well, I, I have this one, I'm not going to mention his name, but this, this actor friend of mine and he's Done pretty well in his career. Uh, it's not anyone from Entourage, so don't worry. But he's definitely, you know, was the kind of person where a lot of people if, you know, maybe would talk shit to him in the same way, almost as an athlete, even though he wasn't an athlete, he was an actor. And he had. When we're talking one day about, like, this is like, insurances and stuff, and he has, like, an umbrella policy he used to call his knockout fund. I'm like, what do you mean? He's like, well, someone says some shit to me, I knock him out, they sue me. That's why I carry extra insurance. But I want that. I want that ability to be able to handle it, and that's taking the next step that rocked me to my very core. I'm not about that life, but. Yeah. So you almost wish, like, Dana White started the slap. You almost wish Dana White, like, hey, imagine that incident happens, and Dana White pops out and it's like, all right, we're going to do contracts real fast. Sign. Sign up. Okay? You're not going to sue him. He's not going to sue you. You guys got beef. You called him a slur. Ready, go. Like you wish it could happen that fast, because that would stop it all.
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It would stop at all.
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C
And look, I'm all for the like, hey, Jason, you suck as a center. You were terrible. Which is not true. I. When it gets personal, you lose me. Whether you're playing pickup basketball or you're playing in the league. When you get personal like that, as a fan or whatever, someone trolling, which is getting more and more popular, you lose me. Which brings me to the Embiid situation, okay? And look, he put. He put his hands on the reporter, in that case, Marcus Hayes. And that shouldn't have happened no matter what, because you got to show the restraint. But just for me. And again, I'm no Joel Embiid. I. I have 1% notoriety that he's ever had. But I've been in situations where someone in media said some not nice things and you try to redirect it. But I have also been in the situation. This wasn't a nefarious thing where I think it was like, Rosie O'Donnell, where I was doing, like, an interview and she innocently mentioned my father who died 40 years ago. Okay? And it was. And he didn't go out. He went out. There's a story behind how he went out, but I wasn't prepared for it.
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A
Right.
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C
She asked me about it. And I just, like, panic. You saw, I visibly got shook up, and I guess that's my point. There's a golden rule. If your personal life is affecting something on the field. If you get in legal trouble and you're not playing because you're suspect, all right, that's fair game. That's a story, and it's affecting your performance, and it's like a legal thing. But I get into a lot of. Again, I don't know, it just hits me a different way.
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A
No, I agree.
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I don't know what his angle was, what he was trying to say. Like, you're. You're failing your son. Like, whatever it was.
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Yeah. I mean, he lost a family member, and. Yeah, it's just, like, even bring it up.
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C
Don't even bring it up.
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There's the personal professionalism, sport. Personal. Like. Like, you can't blend the lines because.
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C
There'S no story there.
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A
There's no story. If you want to talk about him not playing back to backs, you want to talk about his injury, like. Like, like those are. That's fair game. He can answer it how he wants and react, but that's fair. But, like, when you make it personal or you use that as an analogy to whatever, it's like, dude, no. Like, that's just not okay. And that's like the golden rule. Like. Like, for me, being an athlete, like, that was always. We talked about locker room. It's like, dude, you know, you got to be a big boy. Like, you're getting paid a lot of money. You got to be able to handle criticism and all that. But, like, when you different, when you talk about a family member or a personal issue and all that that you're going through, like, you don't know what these dudes are going through. Like, you know, like, you don't know what they're going through outside of. Of basketball. And yeah, you can't even reference.
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C
If you reference that my friend who passed away 20 years ago, like, even if you just bring him up in a nice way, I still have to go off in the corner and, like, fight back tears. So to.
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A
Yeah.
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C
To make that into a story. It's so weird, Matt. And we could wrap it up and move on, but I was thinking about it like this, too, and I don't even know how you feel as, you know, play being a professional athlete, but we are all in this together in our own way, meaning the athlete, the fan, and the media member. Regardless of how athletes feel about media. I get it. Or how fans feel about some athletes I get it. But this whole thing works. We're doing this show because of that revolving door. We are in business together whether we like it or not. Okay, the fans pay money and watch and consume. Athletes get paid real up. But you, you're playing a game you love and you're making a living doing it. And the media is supposed to highlight the stories and, and on and on we go. And I just feel like it's in the weirdest place that it's ever been and where's been around long enough now that we can't say. It's just social media. It's been around long enough.
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But it, but it's social. But it's again I just go back to the access and just like this, this feeling that fans and people have that they feel like they can like, like they feel like they're as invested as the players so that they can have these, all these opinions and you suck and this and that. And it's like you can't coexist that way. Like, and I get it, like you get frustrated, I get it like that. Like. But I would tell you the players are just as frustrated. They're living in it. And, and everyone's like, well I, I always, this is a little bit off talk, but I always hated like well, they're making millions of dollars, okay? Yeah, dude, like they are, they're still human. This is what they, this is what they chose to do. This is the path. They're, they're, they're elite in what they do. It doesn't mean that they're robots, dude. Like they're, they're like still putting a roof over their kids head. They're still dealing with real at home. Like all the things that we all deal with as people. And I think that's sometimes what's forgotten from a fan or a media and all of that. And again it's hard because it's like, well shoot, you make 10 mil. Like, come on man, like grow a pair.
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C
Like, like that's not it.
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It's just not it. So I get it. Like it is a full circle. Like it's all interwoven. Fans make the make sport. Great media allows sport to be watched. Like we give athletes give fans what they want. Like how do you coexist? And just recent. And again also not to get too deep here. Like we're in a, we're in a place right now with a divided country, man. Like we need to like. And sport is actually the one thing that brings everybody together.
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You would think. Yeah, you would think.
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You know what I mean?
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So I'm with you, man. That's why I don't mind. I don't mind Kevin Durant up in the wee hours of the morning tweeting back at people. That, to me, is healthy. I think that is healthy. I love listening to Draymond Green on this podcast. I don't always agree, definitely, about his Knick stuff, but I love athletes, you know, current and former, having their own platforms to tell the story their way. But don't get it twisted like, it is a. It is a cycle. And I've. Look, my limited experience, I am. There was a reporter one time who was following me and the entourage guys around when the movie came out and was going to do this, like, exclusive story. He's going to follow us down for two days, and we all got along real great. Thought the guy had a great time. We were there working, and the guy shit on us for, like, 10 pages, right? It sucks. And there's things I could say to people. It's like, look, that's part of it. But it wasn't really personal. It never got personal. So you accept it and you move on. But, yeah, it does suck. And we were making good money for that movie, and we had a. We had to deal with it. So I don't know. I don't know where to go from there. I just. I just. I feel like it could all get better. All right.
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Thanks, Jerry.
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Sorry. Sorry. I'm a deep thinker today, but, you know. Yeah, let's highlight something good, huh? Let's pivot. Let's pivot out of that stuff and let's do our. Let's do the. Can't Get Enough Sauce at the moment. Brought to you by Wendy's. I know exactly who mine is this week. It was one of the easiest decisions I've had. Every week, Matt and I are going to highlight a player on or off the field or court doing something we love, and especially something that's saucy. Matt, it's a quarterback. I guess this is the quarterback episode. That would be.
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Oh, my gosh, did we do this? Did we do the same quarterback?
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C
You didn't have Kirk Cousins, did you?
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No.
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C
Okay. I have Kirk Cousins. Kirk Cousins, last two games, he has seven touchdowns, 500 yards. Last five games, he has 13 touchdowns and almost 1500 yards. And only three picks, four and O in the division. Three and O on the road basically cemented the Falcons. I mean, they'd have to have a pretty big breakdown for anyone to catch him with the injuries that the Bucks have. The guy does it everywhere he goes. He's going to win comeback player of the year. He has to be the favorite. I love Nick Chubb. I love the the Sam Darnold story again. He's the comeback play. The guy blew out his Achilles last year and he's putting up monster numbers and hear me out, Matt.
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I'm listening.
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C
I know the Falcons have some defensive problems, but I love where that offense is at. Obviously, we hope Drake London comes back.
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A
I was going to say they have more problems than the defense.
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C
That's big, dude.
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I love.
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I love Kirk Cousins saved Kyle Pitts. The very people who draft Kyle Pitts.
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Every year in fantasy saved Kyle Pitts. Just like, hey, like, let's just get this dude the ball.
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C
Right? But you. But having someone who can get him the ball also helps. So Kurt Cousins, you are my can't get enough sauce moment of the week.
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I love that we. We're on the same page. I'm going with. Who do you think I'm going with?
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C
Honestly, I don't know because Kirk Cousins to me. Oh, you going with Joey B. I'm.
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A
Going with Joey B. Yeah. Joey B. Five tuddies against the Raiders last week.
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C
Quietly having an MVP season.
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I was going to say big one. Big one tonight against the Ravens. They've won three of four. We spent the first three episodes just talking how bad the Bengals were. And they were. They were. They won three or four. Everyone talked about he's not that good. I heard a lot of these people on media like, ah, like, he's got good players, he's not as good as what they paid him, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. All of a sudden you don't blink. And what you just said, 20 touchdowns, four interceptions this year. I think 80%, like, completion. It's like the numbers are ridiculous. It's saucy. An under the radar MVP candidate. And also this past week he was talking a little smack on the guy on the bench. Like, you can see it. Like, I love this because you can see it in his. Joe. Joe B. Is always serious. Like, he's always serious. Like, it's almost like, dude, loosen up a little bit. But like, you can tell, right? And like yelling at the guys sitting down. I still don't even know the backstory of that. But like, he's locked in. Dude, he's locked in. The Bengals win against the Ravens. They're what, five? What are they, four and five right now? Or three? Whatever.
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C
They're right in the mix.
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They're right back in the mix. Dude, Saucy with the saucy extra sauce.
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Shout outs to Wendy's. And yeah, the Bengals are coming, man. And he has my best quote ever. Like, what would you tell a young player? Don't put workout videos on social media. Yeah, he's Joey B. Those two guys can't get enough sauce. Moment of the week. All right, thank you to Wendy's, as always, and we're going to take a quick break. When we come back, Kurt Warner, everybody. What if I told you there was a way for your favorite team to keep scoring points even during timeouts and commercial breaks? You'd probably be all over that, right? Well, we want to help you do the same thing with your money.
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All right, joining us now, two time MVP key figure in what is known as the greatest show on turf, which I miss, by the way. I miss watching that every week. And he's enshrined in the Pro Football hall of Fame. And you can hear him every week on Westwood One's call on Monday Night Football. He does a great job with that. I was listening to it the other night. The legend Kurt Warner joins us. Kurt, thank you for coming on. We appreciate it.
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B
You got it. Great to be on with you guys.
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A
And just the white beard, just letting yourself go. You just.
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B
I think I'm the only one on TV that has gray hair. And I'm trying to figure that out, how these guys get to be 45 and 50 and they don't have gray hair.
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C
But, you know, I could tell you how.
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B
Yeah, well, no, exactly. But what are you gonna do? My wife likes it. So we figure we try to age gracefully the best we can.
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A
By the way, happy wife, happy life, man. Isn't that. It couldn't be more true. Someone just asked me the other day if I, if I colored my beard. I'm actually, it's short today, but I'm like, no, I don't color my beard. I just, I haven't, I haven't, I haven't hit the gray yet, but.
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B
No, not at all. Okay, that's good.
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A
No, a little bit. I'm hiding it a little bit up here, but yeah. Let's start. Let's start. Just today's NFL, buddy. And, and just like we're, we're halfway, you know, through the season and you're calling games, you're fully invested in it. Is there, you know, is there a surprise, a takeaway so far? Quarterback play, anything that sticks out to you?
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B
Well, yeah, quarterback play I think is terrible right now. It's, it's rough. I mean, you know, you cover college football. It's that it's such a different game. And these guys trying to come from college to play our game, it's just different. It's faster. You know, good athletes in college are not good athletes in the NFL, so to speak. Right. You can't live in that world. In the NFL, you got to know what you're doing. You got to know what you're seeing. And, you know, you know, I think some of these guys are in bad spots because they're getting thrown in before they're ready to play, just because they're supposed to be or because they're drafted high. But that's probably my biggest takeaway, is that the game is evolving to me in the wrong direction. It's becoming everything at the line of scrimmage, a bunch of bubble screens, a bunch of quick throws. Oftentimes because these guys can't see it, it's become a lot of pure progression stuff, which I'm not a proponent of it because I think it hurts quarterbacks as much as it seems to make sense. And I'm sure you see it all in college football. Hey, we got to get the best athlete on the field right now. We got to play him. So the best way is to just throw them out there and say, hey, this is 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, no matter what coverage you see. But it just. It's hard to play that way in the NFL, in my opinion. And I see that hurt quarterbacks every week. So. So that's kind of, to me and kind of the bummer of things, because I think we have some really good young quarterbacks, but they're not being put into situations to succeed or they're not being given the chance to sit a little bit and learn. And now they have to survive. You know, like, you know, I look at Justin Fields is that, you know, they threw him in in Chicago, and it was just survive. You got to try to win while you're surviving without knowing what to do. Anthony Richardson, I think, is the same way here, go. You know, you're a great athlete. Figure it out while you go. And you can't learn that way. You just survive that way. And so that's probably the biggest takeaway for the most part.
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How would. How would you describe. Because. Because we come.
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B
It's.
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It's crazy how much the offense has evolved. And I was just telling. Telling Jerry before, like, if you completed over 60% of your throws, like, and you. You had one. I mean, you and like Drew Brees and some of those guys in that era were like 65 closer. But now it's like, you see guys 75, and it's a different. It's. It's different. How. How would you describe for everybody that will listen, how the quarterback position was taught when you played? The way you helped me learn it, as opposed to what you just said now? Like, what is the biggest difference in. In simple terms?
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B
Sure. Yeah. I mean, first, you know, it's funny, we. We looked like a couple years ago. So for a few years, I led the league in completion percentage, 65, 66, whatever that was. And we looked a few years ago and there were 20 guys. Like, we went back to one of the years that I led the league, there were 20 guys in the league that had a higher completion percentage than I had when I led the league crazy, you know, back in the day. And so it is so completely different. But just to kind of expand on what we were talking about, I'm a guy that believes in defender read. And so what I mean by that is that, you know, if I put Jerry on a deep route and I put you on a short route, I'm basically reading both of you at the same time. Because I'm reading the defender that I'm putting in conflict. If he goes deep, I throw it to Matt. If I. He goes short, I throw it to Jerry. Like, that's how I was taught how to play the game, is that the defense always has to tell you where to go if you've got a good concept. If I have a concept where I just send Jerry deep and then I send you somewhere else on the other side of the field, there's nothing that tells me where to throw it. Like, I'm just like, okay, is Jerry open? No. Okay, Like, I know. And so to me, it slows the game down. Whereas if I can read two guys at one time. So, you know, we always talk about reads, right? This guy's number one, this guy's number two. Like, if both of my guys are number one, like, the game's faster. If I have to get all the way back to number five by going, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, it's going to be impossible in this game. And so that was the first part. The second part is, you know, we do this pure progression, which kind of becomes this thing where we have guys all over the field running and we're hoping that the timing plays out. Where after I look at number one, now number two is coming open, now number three is coming into my vision. You know how we play, Matt, it was like everything was really a half field read because I can't see 11 guys. I don't really care what the guys on the backside are doing as long as the front side read stays on the front side. And so really, most concepts are that way anyways. Even if you're doing a pure progression type thing, it starts on one side. And so the way I always like to play and when I Coached and how I like to design things is I'm going to give you a play on both sides, Matt, in most situations. So now I'm going to give you the key to look for to the left. Okay? If the corner's off to the left, go ahead and read this and you're reading the outside linebacker. Bang, bang. Somebody's going to be open if the corner rolls. Now I want you to go back to the right hand side and you're reading this guy and you're going 1, 2, 3. And so we never really have a 4 and a 5 because you can't get there because the game's too fast. Like you're not getting there anyway. So we're, we're not going to waste guys. And so that to me, in kind of simplest terms is a. I want you to read a defender. So that defender, he goes in, you throw it out. He goes out, you throw it in, he goes high, you throw it low. Like so, you know, as a quarterback, if you're looking at the right guy, he's going to tell you where to go with the football and you don't have to make it up as you go. And so that to me is one of the biggest differences. And, and again, I think it's very much in college, a lot of this pure progression and it's starting to trickle into the NFL so these college guys can play. And I just see it every week and you know, I think I text every Monday after I watch film. I hate pure progression. Like, I hate it. I see how it hurts quarterbacks every single week. And I feel for these guys because it's like you, you know, like if number three is doing something that's not going to get open for four seconds, I can't go to number three right now. Like, I can't get there faster. You know, if I know that when number one and two aren't open, I still have to wait for number three to run his route before I can get there. So it just slows the process down and it hurts the game and it hurts these quarterbacks and their development and, and I don't know the reason.
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C
So something I want to ask you because I'm pretty fascinated and I think my team is probably going to be involved in this, right? You know, drafting quarterbacks in the first round, especially early within the top 10, 15 picks. It seems like one of the best mysteries in football. Like how do you truly know? And people lose their jobs over picking the wrong player or then these guys go and resurge Somewhere else. So it's like, maybe I was right. So if you were GM or head coach, throw the Giants in there. But I don't want to make it specific for you. But if your job. Our team needs a quarterback this year. Kurt. Yeah. What are the things that you would be looking for as a gm, as a coach? Someone you're bringing in, a kid from college who we just. You just broke it down so amazing. I'm going to listen to that all back because I don't want to miss anything. What would you be looking for in that war room?
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B
Yeah, I mean, let's first just say you don't know until you know. And, you know, like, we can assess them in a million different ways, but the game is different and the speed is different. And I've seen great college quarterbacks that haven't been able to make that same type of, you know, transfer to the NFL because the game's just faster. And so, you know, they can be the same quarterback that they were in college five or six years into the NFL, but it's not good enough to excel in the NFL. And then you see guys like a Tom Brady that was, you know, okay, college quarterback, you can say good, but he wasn't a great college quarterback. And then he just continues to go like this because he gets better and he gets better, and he gets better. And I say that every year, like, every college quarterback that comes into the NFL is going to have to get better. They are going to have to be better in the NFL than they were in college. So you can be great in college. That's not good enough to be great in the NFL. So that's the first thing is, is we're not ever going to know until they're under center and whether they can do it. But the. But the one thing that I would focus on is kind of the things that I'm talking about. I would sit in a room with them and give them a play and ask them why. Why would you read it here? What would you be looking at? Where would your eyes go if they gave you this coverage? Because that's what I want to know is. I want to know how they think the game. Now, that doesn't mean, you know, because, Matt, you know this as well as me. I've been with some quarterbacks that you put them on a board and you ask them that, and they sound like a genius. And they can give you, you know, if you give them three minutes, they can give you every scenario. But the bottom line is I need you to Give me every scenario in four seconds. Like, when. When it really comes down to it, you've got to do all of the stuff you just told me and be able to see it and process it in four or five seconds. And that's the thing that's such an unknown. And why, when we see a Jaden Daniels, we're all blown away because it's like, my gosh, you know, it seems like the game's slow for him. Like, he sees everything and he can make every throw and he's so poised. And that's because the mind is working as fast as it needs to work. And that's where I think it's so hard to assess these quarterbacks because, a. The game is so different. Right. I watch college, and I, like, I don't know how this is going to translate. Like, they're not going to be doing any of this stuff in the NFL.
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C
So I don't know.
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B
And then, you know, I don't get a chance to sit down and talk to most of them. But that's what I would be doing, is I would at least try to see if they could fully understand how to simplify the game, understand what they're looking for, have been taught from that perspective to a. To a degree where I felt like, okay, the physical and the mental are both there now. I need to take it and hone it and get him to the next level.
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A
Kirk, can you. Can you imagine just running an rpo, me and you in practice? Just an RBO and keep it. And the defensive end goes down. I mean, it's.
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C
Yeah.
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A
So it's so wild.
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B
I know. Like, because I actually ran some in arena football, but it was simplified. But for me and you, it would be. We're throwing the ball.
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A
Like, dude, when you used to run in Arizona, we were like, oh, get down, dude. Oh, me too. But, like, both of us.
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B
Oh, I know. I was thinking, like, well, I was a little.
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A
I was a little faster than you, but when you take off and run, you were. We would be like, oh, God, just get down.
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B
You know, the funny thing is, Matt is like, we play basketball. We played.
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A
Like, I told Jerry you were a hell of a basketball.
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C
He told me you were. You're, of course, good at basketball.
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B
Really good athlete.
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A
You're a great athlete.
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B
The weird thing is, when I got on the football field, it was like, my mind told me, you're not an athlete anymore. Your job is to read the defense and throw the football. Like, and so even when I would run that, I'm like, What am I. I felt like I was a. You know, like a deer. Like, what am I doing? I'm so out of sorts. Just. It felt weird for me, too. And it was so much of the mindset where it's like, that's not my job, you know, my job not to try to do that. Catch, throw, get the ball to the guys that actually can run. But you're exactly right. You were saying what you were seeing on the sideline is what I was thinking in my mind. Like, what are you doing? Go down. You know, hopefully you can get three yards. But my kids laugh about it all the time, too. Like, dad, what are you doing? You're so slow. I know. I felt.
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A
Well, I used to. I used to always tell everybody, like, like. And again, this is like, going back. Like, you're a Hall of Famer, right? So you have the last laugh. But it's like, you know, like, I didn't have the greatest arm. I was like, you know, he doesn't have the greatest arm. It doesn't. It doesn't come out pretty all the time. He can't run. But, my God, that. That dude. Where he will place the ball wherever he needs, and he's the smartest dude I've ever been around. You know, that.
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B
That's.
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C
That's.
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A
And that's. That was you. And, I mean, that was. That's what you were the best at. And now you got a gold jacket.
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B
You gotta try to figure out, right?
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A
Yeah.
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B
He said, what's your strength? And I couldn't do everything, but what could I do? And let's become the best at what we can do. And so when I do work with young quarterbacks, that's the first thing I ask them is like, we all want to believe. Hey, you know, I can be Patrick Mahomes, and I can throw all the. And it's like, at some point, it's like, I can't. I can't do that. I can't run. Can't throw it like that. So if you want to separate yourself, what can you do?
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A
Right?
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B
And that was. And I knew that, and I understood that. So I got to become really good at processing. I got to be accurate with the football. I got to have a quick release. Like, those are the things that. That I knew I had to do. So those are the things I worked on. I didn't. I didn't spend time. Like, we're laughing about the fact that I didn't run. I spent time doing that. Like, I didn't spend time in the off season, trying to get faster, like, it's not worth it. It's not going to. It's not going to do me any good. Let's focus on the things you're good at.
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C
You know, I like, flinched earlier in the year when the Saints won their first two games. Someone tried to reference, like, the Saints team's really fun. They have, like, potential to be, you know, a great turf. Tee, I heard like, just great and turf in the same sentence. And I, like, recoiled. You're not allowed to say that. And obviously it has not panned out that way and we referenced it earlier, but for me, and you know, I'm a Giants fan, but watching you and the Rams and the greatest show on turf, you guys made it look so easy. Obviously, I know it's not easy, but as a fan, it just looked like you could get whatever you want whenever you wanted. Looking back on that, what would you say to. To me when you're thinking what made that offense work so well? Because I know it's not one thing. What to you, if you had to sum it up in a few one or two things, like what just made that offense so effortlessly efficient and great to watch?
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B
Well, I mean, let's start with the fact that we were talented, like, right. You know, you got to start talent all over the place. You know, I always say this for quarterbacks, too. And Matt will know this. Like, he was in a couple different. The system fit me perfectly. Like, what I did well was throw the ball down the field. Like, that's where I could really separate myself, was kind of that what we call chunk throws, right? 15 to 35 yards down the field, like, you know, making those throws. And so the offense was built that way. Like this offense that we see now in the NFL, like, hey, you're five yards. Like, I would know. We were going to attack you and we were going to threaten you and we were going to put the fear of God and you want every play. You know, the way that we played, we had a coach that had the same mentality. Right. And so, you know, we talk a lot about interceptions in this NFL. I could care less if I threw an interception.
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C
Love that.
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B
My mindset was my coach is going to give me shots to make plays. I'm going to make a mistake. Or here, here or there, like that's going to happen. But I promise you, I'm going to make more plays than I'm going to make mistakes. And those plays that we make are going to be touchdowns because we're going to Attack down the field. So that was our mentality. So it was aggressive. Attack, attack, attack.
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A
I think you've said this before. Marshall Falk and I actually curious. And we both play with Larry, who I think Larry is. I almost don't think he gets enough credit for what he did in his career as one of the best to ever do it. I think you've said Marshall Falk is the best football player you've ever played with.
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B
Yes.
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A
Like just elaborate on that and just how great, you know, like we see Christian McCaffrey and some of these guys now and how good that Marshall was the, the original guy. And then Larry, like, you know, we both know Larry a little bit. Like he's a, he's a goof, but he, but he was as good as they come. Like those two guys are right up there.
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Yeah, I mean, you know, I was looking at something recently and so in 99, you know, I won the MVP in 99. But you look at Marshall stats and he had a thousand plus rush yards, a thousand plus pass yards that year and you're just like, this is ridiculous. I mean, it's ridiculous. But I say that because there was nothing that Marshall couldn't do. First of all, you know, just physically like he was a, the prototypical three down back. Like if you needed, if you were in third and one and you needed a power run to be made, give it to Marshall. If you needed to run a toss where you needed the speed to get outside, give it to Marshall. If you're going to throw the ball on third down and he had to pick up a blitzing linebacker in the A gap, put in Marshall. Like if you wanted to put him out wide and have him run a wide receiver route, we, I mean, we ran everything with Marshall. We ran skinny posts in the red zone. We ran still slanting, goes double move like there was nothing he couldn't do. And so no disrespect to Christian McCaffrey who I think is one of the most versatile backs in the league. He can't do what Marshall could do. He can't run routes and do those things like Marshall could do. And then Larry, you know, I agree with you that I don't think he gets the credit he deserves. And you know, a big part of that is he played in Arizona. Yeah, you know, both of us got there. Arizona had never won anything. Nobody expected us to win anything. We were never on primetime tv. Like nobody ever saw Larry play. So he went four or five years of his career without anybody ever seeing him play. And then finally we make that super bowl run, and everybody goes, oh, Larry's pretty good. Like, you know, he gets all these records. They're like, oh, my gosh. You know, I'd heard about this guy, but I'd never seen him. And again, you know, it's different because I used to say this when I was in or when I was in St. Louis, being open was about space. Like, when I could see space between Tory hold and Isaac Bruce and the defender, it was like, oh, those guys are open. Being open for Larry Fitzgerald was not about space. So when I got there, I remember Josh McCown saying, oh, no, that's open. And I'm like, what do you mean it's open? The guy's like, you know, Velcro on his back, but he's like, trust me. Throw it to his outside number. That's open, because he will catch it and nobody will be able to get to the football. So you had to realize how he played the game was different, but his understanding of spacing, like, I've never seen anybody able to track the football.
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And, yeah, he was incredible.
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Like, Larry, that made the, you know, the difficult look routine every single day.
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Yeah, I always look at it, like, as the game changes, and you discussed how different it is now. But what would those guys be like today? What would Marshall Faulk be like in the NFL now?
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What would last dominate?
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Yeah, I think there's. There's several teams right now that would want to put a jersey on fits and just say, give us what you got, even if you're not in the shape. Well, let's try it. I'm gonna set the table for a second, and I might just get out of the way. Well, look, I. I was super excited as a Giants fan when you came there, and then, you know, Eli's there and that whole thing. And then you go to Arizona in 05, and then shortly after that, another young punk named Matt Liner comes in. This young punk. I get to call him that now that I know him. And I just think it's cool seeing you two after all these years together and talking, because it was a magical run that you guys were both on. So just let's be honest.
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You hated me when we got drafted. It's fine.
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I hated that we drafted him.
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Yeah, right, right.
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I did not hate Matt in any part of the process. And here's the thing is that what I came to realize over the course of my career is that we all just want to play, and I'm not, you know, like, so Ultimately, when I got benched and Matt took over.
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Yeah.
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Did I want to be playing? Yeah. Did I feel like I was the better quarterback at the time? Yeah. But was I mad at Matt for going in and trying to seize the opportunity and excel? Absolutely not, because everybody would do the same thing. And that to me, you know, I used to hear about these quarterback rooms where guys didn't talk to each other, and, you know, it was me against Matt, and it was, you know, I don't like him because he's trying to take. And I always just, you know, thought to myself, I just want to be in a situation where the best guy plays. Like, just make it a fair competition. If Matt's better than me, then he should play, and I'm not going to be mad at him for that. If I'm better than Matt, then I should. That's all I ever wanted in the NFL was that kind of situation. And so I never looked at it personal. Right. You know, even though, you know, again, you did want to play. And, you know, and I'll even say that we all have human nature, too, and so you got to fight that when Matt's playing. And I want to be playing to not, you know, hope Matt throws an interception. So I, like, at the end of the day, you know, when I sign on the dotted line to be a part of a team, I sign on the dotted line to be the best teammate that I can be, to be the best for that team that I can be. Not just when I'm starting and not just when everything goes my direction, but if I end up finding myself on the bench, then I need to be the best teammate for Matt to help him succeed. And I couldn't be mad at him for trying to do exactly what I would have done in the same situation. Like, you know, if I got put in, I'm going to try to succeed and never let Matt get on the field either.
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Like, which is what you did. Which is what you did.
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To hold that against somebody is ridiculous. And so I never tried to take that approach. But, yeah, I mean, I didn't want us to draft somebody because I wanted to play and felt like I could still play. But I think the beautiful part, too, was we were able to coexist. You know, Matt wanted to play, and. And, you know, I go back to the first year when he did play, and we lost so many stupid, crazy games because Matt played really well over that period of time, but we lost, like, 10 straight games or something. I know, like that Chicago game, you know, they Are who we thought we.
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I mean, Kansas City the week before. Yeah, Yeah.
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I mean, 400 yards in a game, like, you played really well, but we work very good. Like, that's the other thing that's hard for people to understand is, like, still a team sport. We weren't very good in Arizona, and so, you know, you could play well as a quarterback, but that didn't correlate to wins a lot of times because we weren't built the right way and we. And we didn't have those pieces. And so, you know, that was the bummer for Matt because he had such a really good, you know, rookie year where it was like, you know, this kid's going to be. Going to be good. And then obviously it played out with the competition, and I, you know, actually, he played in 07 before you got hurt, and then once you got hurt. Yeah, I played really well down in 07, and then it became the competition from there. But, you know, but that's, you know, again, it works out for me, so it's obviously a huge blessing for me. But I think it was a bummer for Matt because I saw the potential in what he had done early in his career, and then all of a sudden, boom, it stops. And, you know, he's got to sit back and watch for three years. And again, you can. You can benefit from sitting back and learning and doing that stuff, but you're also missing time, if you can be successful, to kind of get your career going, you know, in the right direction.
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I would say. Before we let you go, Kurt, we appreciate your time. Just in response to that, I get. It's crazy, man, because I get asked all the time, and, you know, I've been labeled a certain way, and honestly, it doesn't bother me because I do believe everything that happened got me to where I am now, and I love what I'm doing and all these things. I. Gosh, I go back and I think about the rookie year, and I'm like, gosh, what if. What if we make. What if we win those first two games? Or, what if I don't, you know, hurt my AC joint that last game? There's, you know, what ifs? There's always what ifs. And it's so interesting because you and I were so different, like, with your background, with my background. And after those first couple years, it was. The first few years were really difficult for me. And then, you know, the pictures came out and all this bullshit that was like, man, like, I really want to play. How am I didn't know how to be. I tell everybody. I'm like, I didn't know how to be a professional at the time. I knew I wanted to. I knew that I thought I had enough talent for sure, and it just didn't work. And I really. I say this to everybody. Like, I really enjoyed when there. I felt less pressure on me when you took over. I really enjoyed those years with you because I really felt like I learned a lot more from you then because I was like, this is Kurt's team. For me to. For me to. To prolong my career. I need to. I need to look in. What is Kurt doing? We didn't have the same game. How does he prepare all of these things? And I really believe that helped me when I got to Houston. And again, that system fit me with what they did with. With Kubiak and Shanahan and all of that. That's. That's more what I. I just felt I could thrive in. And honestly, before I got hurt again, I was. I felt the best I've ever felt. But you were really a big part of that. Like, early on, it was tough on me. And then those last two years, like. Like, I. I saw what it was like to be a professional quarterback and a Hall of Fame quarterback if I want to do anything in this league. This is how you prepare. This is how you hold those film meetings. This is how you talk to the receivers. This is how you lead a football team. And. And we. We. We. Jerry was asked, like, you guys cross paths and talk. I'm like, me and Kurt, man, if we. If we saw each other tomorrow, we'd hug it out and talk and tell stories and tell talk, and we used to hoop and all those things. But it's. It's so good to see you, man, On. On this video. And you're crushing, dude. You're doing great. And also, too, we're both, like. Our kids are all grown up, and just to see that part, like, it's just. It's awesome to see your kids playing college ball, and my son's going to play college ball, which is crazy. So. I love you, buddy. It was. It was tough at the time, but I appreciate what you did for me in my career, for sure.
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I appreciate you saying that, and I think it's a great point because, you know, I reach out to a lot of young guys now, and very few guys ever really respond or get back to me. And one thing that I always say, and I think it speaks directly to your point, is most of us don't Know what we don't know, and what I mean by that is, so many guys come in kind of like yourself, very talented, had great success in college, and you think, like, I got this. Like. Like, I know, you know, I. I know what I need to do. I. I know enough to be able to thrive, but you don't know what you don't know. And so being able to sit back and go, oh, oh, oh, this is what it takes. Or. Or I could do this, or. Or this is how Kurt looks at it, because no one's ever taught me to look at it like that.
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And.
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And even if you don't end up, you know, taking that on as a part of your personality, it's giving you perspective on how the whole thing works and how other guys do things. And that's the thing that disappoints me so much with the young guys now and again. I know they have a million things going on, and I know they don't have to call me and listen to me, but I wish they would, and I wish coaches would simply to challenge where you're at, challenge what you know, challenge what you're doing, challenge why you think what you think. Maybe there's a different perspective, right? So that's what I'm always trying to do, is I always want to hear and learn. Like, I'm very convicted in what I believe. But tell me why you believe something else and let me challenge that, because then if I can challenge that, it either A, makes me more convicted in what I believe, or B, it opens myself up to, wow. Never thought about that before. Like, nobody ever taught me that before. And so I appreciate you saying that, because I think it is so true with a lot of these guys is that when I talk about surviving, they're just going out there and doing the best they can do with what they know. And now you give them a chance to step back and learn and realize, man, there's more to it. Oh, man, I could make this game easier if I just saw it this way.
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Well, I know we gotta let you go because you're hopping a flight. You're off to Germany. Two players, I think that should call you. Daniel Jones, Bryce Young. The man's going to be calling the game. You're going to get me through this game, Mr. Warner, by the way.
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I will get you through it.
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Yes.
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I'm going to try to start with this.
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Let me just start with this. That I know. And, you know, I'm not going to sit here and say that. That, you know, I believe Daniel Jones should be, you know, paid as one of the best quarterbacks in the league. But after the first game of the year this year, I actually think Daniel Jones has played pretty good football.
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Agree.
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This year it's a tough situation. They're still trying to figure things out, but he's actually played pretty good football. If they can build a team around him again, I don't know if he'll ever be one of the best in the league, but I believe he's better than a lot of people. You know, when you look at every down, every snap, every decision, better than a lot of people are saying that he is. So hopefully I'll get a chance to express that. But. So don't go crazy. They got work to do in New York. Without a doubt. But, but, but, but I like the way Daniel's been playing the last few weeks.
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Wow. He's, he's already gone crazy.
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So I can't thank you enough.
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We appreciate you, man.
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C
Really appreciate you guys.
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Great, great to be on with you. I look forward to doing it again.
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C
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C
All right, coming back. And I just want to point out really quick too. Kurt Warner was very gracious with his time. You went a little long with the interview. So if you want to go to our YouTube page. The full video and the full interview will be up on. There might be some things that we leave out of this episode that can live on their own, so go check that out. But Matt, I mean, I really do think young players should call Kurt. Right? I would call Kurt if I was a young player and just heard that he's just.
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He's so. He's so. He's one. He's a gold jacket. He's one of the best to ever do it. He's so knowledgeable, you know, and the way he, the way he sees the game, the position is just so unique and it's such a different game now. So, like, I would encourage any young quarterback. Gosh, it could be high school, whatever. Just. He loves talking to kids.
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C
Yeah.
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So. So if you have. If you have people like that at your disposal, reach out and just learn something, it could, it could help you, man.
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And great memory too, because I also thought he brought me back in time and he really. If you go back and even look at your situation. Yeah, I just thought the way he remembered it so specifically in detail and I think it lined up for you the same way. Right? It's.
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Yeah, it's cool because people, you know, like, like those are quarterback battles and everybody wants to know, like, what's it, what's it like in the quarterback room? And, you know, do you like each other? Do you hate each other? Like, Kurt and I genuinely got along and we genuinely. And I. And I said that, like, the second half of my four year career there, we became a lot closer because it was kind of solidified. And I just realized, like, hey, I gotta learn. I gotta learn from this guy. And he, he helped me a lot. The first couple years it was battling and this.
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C
You were lighting it up, man.
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You were lighting it up, man. People, babe, people. People forget. But it's okay, you know, it didn't work out the way. But he, He's. He's incredible, man. His mind is incredible for the game, the quarterback play. And it was. It was good to see him. Good to see him in his white beard, that's for sure.
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He's ready for Christmas. All right. I teased it earlier. Throwback 3. I. I realize I don't actually tell the audience what the topic's going to be, but this week it's. Matt. Dude, this one's fire. This. This one has been hard for me.
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I'm. I'm patting myself on back.
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Do you want to. Do you want to let everyone know? Let's see.
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So we're going, we're going, we're going. Last week we did our, you know, Halloween candy and I got crucified for that with candy corn. That's fine. We don't need it. We can move on. Top three fictional sport characters in movies. All right, so if you think about that, right, you think about some of these great characters in all time sports. I mean, there's a thousand, dude. Yes. Thousand. Okay.
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C
I have a list of 20.
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Yeah. So I'm gonna, I'm gonna start with my number three. This one was hard, but it's maybe my favorite top two sports movie of all time. Billy Hayes. Billy Hayes from White Men Can't Jump.
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C
Sure. Billy Ho.
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Billy. Billy Ho. I, I don't know. I just like. The movie's so great. He and Wesley Snipes are phenomenal. The storyline's great. He's just like, you know, he's a hustler. Like, it's all those things. I just think his, like, it's, it's, it's, it's an all time basketball movie. And both of those guys, Sydney, Sydney, like, they're, they're, they're both incredible characters. So I'm going with Billy Ho.
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C
So Billy.
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Billy Hoyle.
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Billy Hoyle. So but for you, I wonder, because you're tall and athletic and you played basketball very high level in high school, you never walked onto a court where you were able to be like, all right, we'll. All right, we'll take. Will take. Everyone knew you were good, right?
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Well, you're saying because I was white.
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That's why I'm saying you, you're unrelatable to Billy Hoyle. I am way more, I am way more Billy Hoyle than you.
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Yeah.
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You're not unsuspecting. What I'm saying is unsuspecting.
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Like, I've never walked on a court and been like, they look at me like I'm a chump. Like, basically like me. What's it. Yeah, like you. Okay, well, your, your game is still debatable. We're going to find that out pretty soon, but. Okay, Billy Hoyle. I'm going Billy Hoyle. White man can jump. Number three, what's your three?
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C
Okay, my number three easily could have been number one, but this is tough. But I'm just. We leave out the obvious all the time because we want to try to make it eclectic, but I have to. It's Rocky Balboa.
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Yeah.
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Easily could be number one. One of the best fictional characters that you almost. He really is not even fictional at this Point you believe, you believe.
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He was like, yeah, all those fights were real.
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We crushed statues with Dwyane Wade last week and all that stuff. You know what statue was made correctly? The Rocky Balboa statue by the steps with his arms up. That's a perfect statue. And also fun little thing. I like to play these games with movies. So we know Rocky won. He loses to Apollo in a, you know, a split decision, 12 round thing and then going in. So he's a pretty big heavy underdog. But he proved himself going into Rocky 2, the rematch with Apollo Creed. I asked my guy, John Ewing. If you don't follow John Ewing on Twitter, you should does great stuff with betting. I asked him, what do you think? Just make a guess what Rocky's odds would have been in that rematch fight against Apollo Creed. Do you care to venture a guess or do you want me to just tell you?
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Just what do you think?
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Apollo and.
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Okay, so this is a rematch.
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Yeah, he said public. Definitely on the underdog, so the line might have moved on. He likes 75% of the bets on Rocky plus 500, plus 5, but 90% of the money on Creed. And he had. Apollo Creed is minus 700 favorite. Minus 700, you know, so think about that. A couple of guys laying big money, knowing Apollo's gonna win again. Minus no, just lose it. I don't even know if that's Buster Douglas, Tyson level upset. But it's got to be up there.
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So you can't bet against Rocky Balboa. We know how this game, we know how this movie ends.
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I don't know. You would have said the narrative would have been Apollo didn't take him seriously in the first fight. He's going to train harder. We're going to really see why Apollo Creed's the goat and he's going to. Rocky's not going to make it three rounds.
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Rocky 4, arguably one of the greatest movies of all time. Bigger underdog though, against Drago by far, Ivan Drago. Did you see the way he worked out in that.
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Machine?
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The dude. What, like, like he what, what did Rocky like?
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He said Rocky was the champ at that point. Maybe you can make the case. Rocky's a little bit older, he took a lot of shots.
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Or. Or you look at Ivan Drago, who's 6, 5, it looks like a machine in Rocky's 5 foot 7. I like that one. Okay, I'm going, I'm going, I'm going. Number two here. Number two, Happy Gilmore.
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Good one.
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Adam Sandler's Happy Gilmore. Shooter McGavin great character by the way as well. Could be a little bit of a villain. Great movie. Apollo Creed in that movie as well.
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Yep, that's right. That's right.
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Yeah, yeah. What was his name? He had Chubbs.
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Talking about Chubbs.
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Chubbs.
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I mean, so good they're finally making a part two. That's how you great have a good fictional.
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The great Bob Barker cameo. I mean just a great movie. I mean Abby Gomore's awesome, man.
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Like so my putter head cover. You know us golfers, we love our head covers and our gear. My putter head cover is the Price is Right logo. But the line on it says the price is wrong, bitch. That's my. That's what I have on my.
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I'm going. Happy going number two. I just. Anytime that movie's on, man, I'm. I'm. I'm glued to the tv.
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I am going. And I, I could have put numerous characters from this movie. It's my favorite football movie of all time. I think it's the best football movie ever made. So if I. But I have to pick one, I'm gonna give you the guy that I always think of first. It's Lattimore from the program. I mean first of all, the program ahead of its time. I'm old enough to remember going to the theater and kids, if you like the program, there was a scene cut out of the program, famously where I believe Joe Kane, probably intoxicated, leads the team to do this laying down game of chicken on the highway. They pull. I think it was Disney pulled the movie, edited it out because they didn't like what it said to kids and then put it back in the theaters. I saw the original scene in theaters, but everyone's so quotable in that movie. But Marcus Latimore juiced up Alvin.
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Alvin Mac Alvin. I think people need to understand, talk about this, this movie all the time. It is one of those movies that you could watch today and 18 year old kids would be like, that was a great movie. Like it, like, like I think people forget about how great the pro a young Halle Berry.
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C
Right, Young Halle.
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Well, you can make the case.
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Darnell Jefferson. I mean he. Darnell Jefferson running back and he gets Halle Berry at the end.
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Yeah, he starts a little tutoring and he steals. He's still the starting running backs girl. Like it was. It was awesome.
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All right, real quick. So you are on one of, if not the most famous college football team of all time. How do you put the program though? Up as just a. Okay, college football life now it's a little before your time. You weren't in college yet, but, you know, like Darnell Jefferson carrying around the football and the entire team, by the way, to poke it out during class, by the way.
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I think Pete Carroll was inspired. This is a true story. Pete Carroll. I got to make this brief. Pete Carroll's. His whole thing was mantra was the ball, the ball, protect the ball, protect the ball. If you protect the ball, we win. Defense, if you get the ball, we win. Right? That was like it. So my. I was his first recruiting class. We had a ball, the Norma ball. And he said, at any point during training camp, you need to present the ball to me. Obviously, he would be like, hey, Matt. And I was a quarterback, so I was tasked with being the leader. So basically what he was doing is like the whole freshman class would get together. We would hide it, we would protect it, we would carry it around, and the rest of the team, it was fair game.
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C
I love that.
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Like, the program. Like the program rip it out. You could hold it. So, dude, we would hide it up in the rafters of a. Of a ceiling. We would do all these things. But basically he was forcing us to work as a team and like, work together as a team. But I promise you that he got that from the program because of when he rocks, you know, they. He fumbles in the class and everyone's there and he jumps and he has it. Like that's what we used to. Did it. You do at usc.
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C
So also, James Khan, underrated coach. I thought he did a good job as the coach. I never heard the snot bubbles thing before or after which so hard.
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Hit so hard.
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Bubbles. That's a real thing.
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I mean. All right, so.
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Well, that's my number two. But it could have been great characters from. From that great, great movie. All right, number one.
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Number one. My all time favorite sports movie. My all time probably top three movie general no matter what the genre is Major league. And there's a lot of characters in Major league, but I'm going with Ricky, Wild Thing Bond. Wild Thing Ricky, you want bone? Like, and also we were talking about this or like the, like the most quotable movie of all time. One of them, Ricky Wild Thing Vaughn, one of my favorite characters. Just a badass, just, you know, gets all the ladies, comes out of the bullpen to Wild Thing, has the hair, the glasses. You know, talking about hooking up with, you know, hooking up with Dorne's wife. He didn't know.
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Like, I didn't know. I love that Scene.
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I didn't know it's the greatest.
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How do you not know that? Your teammates, by the way, how did.
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I know that they made like. Because it was Ricky Vaughn. He didn't care. They made like three or four major leagues. They didn't do it justice. The original Major League is the greatest sports movie of all time. And I will say that we're going to do a throwback three sports movie. And that's going to be my Throwback three.
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And it's so interesting too, because, like, obviously they're no longer the Cleveland Indians. So now there's like time capsule element. It's like, there will be kids maybe 20 years from now. Be like, wait, they were called the Cleveland Indians and they had actually Wahoo logo.
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So when the Indians are. When the Guardians hit that home run against the Yankees. No, all over social media was when Serrano, Pedro Serrano hit that. And it was. It was like they were doing all these flashbacks of both is awesome.
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I think once a month at some point, and it's usually on the golf course. I say, well, if you don't do it, fuck you, Jobu. I do it myself. That's one of my favorite sports. Fuck you, Joe the Bad.
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One of the best quotable movies of all time. All right, buddy. Who do you got, man?
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All right. This was tough. Too many to leave off. But I. I have to unlock the inner throwback. Kidding me. Mine is Benny the Jet Rodriguez. The Sandlot was such an impactful movie for me. I tried to show it to my kids. I'm not quite interested yet. But I will say the thing I didn't appreciate about Halloween. Last week, right after the Dodgers victory over the Yankees, I'm with my kids walking, and I start seeing like three or four kids with Dodger jerseys on. This is in Cleveland, in a suburb, like, what the hell is going. Benny the Jet Rodriguez jerseys. That's who they were for Halloween. So there was an extra little knife dig for me. So good with that win. But yeah, it. It's a perfect movie that movie makes.
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It really is.
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Try to think about. Okay. I don't think we're gonna get many sports movies anymore. I think documentaries, we have a. We'll go on forever, but scripted stuff. The only world I see it though, is for kids. Like sandlot nostalgic type sports movies. But Benny the Jet, man, when. When he put on the Flyers, that was one of the biggest moments in movie history for me. I have one honorable mention. Do you have any. Any honorable mention? Like, who was close to making your.
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Cut honestly Willie Mays Hayes from major league was close. Danny LaRusso from Crowd that was my.
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Off the off the yeah beaten path.
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One put him in a body bag.
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Johnny like I guess it's an karate's certainly you have to be an athlete so that was my one I wanted to make sure I just mentioned but didn't Rick Ricky.
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Ricky Bobby was pretty close just more fun like but yeah I mean there's so many man so many. Well I had I was some of the mighty Ducks guys. Gordon Bombay not my favorite but I have young blood some young Young blood. Young blood is great.
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Young blood is crazy.
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Young blood I haven't heard Young blood.
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Young Go re watch take it on the plane with you when you go for big noon. Go watch that blood.
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I'm making that note right now.
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Yeah and of course let us know yours. We'll put it up on social but for us it's at throwback show on all social platforms. Let us know your top three fictional sports movie characters. You got Matt's, you got mine. Hell of a show buddy. Hell of a show. We're in November. We have a couple of weeks till the tree comes out but yeah. Thanks everybody for listening. We'll be back next week. Peace.