From the Coliseum to the Cartel: Owen Hanson talks drugs, gambling, the cartel, prison and more

Summary

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Podcast Summary

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Episode: From the Coliseum to the Cartel: Owen Hanson talks drugs, gambling, the cartel, prison and more (Part One)
Date: September 25, 2025
Hosts: Matt Leinart, Jerry Ferrara
Guest: Owen Hanson ("O Dog"), a former USC athlete turned cartel-affiliated drug and gambling kingpin, featured in Amazon’s Cocaine Quarterback docuseries.

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Overview

This electrifying episode dives deep into the dramatic real-life saga of Owen Hanson—a promising college volleyball and football athlete whose post-USC choices led him into the world of high-stakes gambling, international drug trafficking, and money laundering for one of the world's most dangerous cartels. The conversation offers an unfiltered look at the intoxicating highs and shattering lows of living on the edge, as well as the sheer audacity and resourcefulness required to survive—and eventually escape—the criminal underworld.
Note: This is Part One of a two-part interview.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Introduction to Owen Hanson: The "Cocaine Quarterback"

[00:46–03:08]

• Matt & Jerry set the stage for an epic, two-part interview with Owen, whose life inspired an Amazon docuseries produced by Mark Wahlberg.
• Recap of Hanson's transition from an All-American volleyball/football player at USC to drug dealer, bookie, cartel operative—and eventually, federal inmate and entrepreneur.

2. Early Hustles: Building a Criminal Toolkit at USC

[04:15–12:57]

• Owen recalls using his athletic connections and "chip on the shoulder" mentality to fit in at USC, hustling everything from weed and ecstasy to steroids for teammates.
• He recounts smuggling drugs to Cabo San Lucas for spring break, using tight football-issue compressor shorts:

  "As long as that thing goes green, I'm good... I just made... I made it by one." — Owen [09:28]

• The appeal was not just money, but the powerful feeling of being "the man" on campus.

3. From Athlete to Outlaw: Gambling & Bookmaking Roots

[19:12–27:02]

• After the 2007 financial crash, Owen’s real estate career evaporates and he pivots back into illegal hustles, specifically bookmaking:

  “I want to be a bookie... You’ve always watched Goodfellas, Scarface, and you’ve always wanted to be like them.” — Owen [24:58]

• Using connections to athletes and wealthy fraternity members, he quickly builds a high-rolling client list.

4. Going Big League: Costa Rica and Digital Betting Empire

[29:24–32:01]

• Frustrated by limited earnings as a “sub-bookie,” Owen sets up his own independent gambling site (BetODog.com) out of Costa Rica, expanding to 2,000 clients—including celebrities and pro athletes.

5. The Cartel Connection: From Sports Bets to Money Laundering

[32:01–36:43]

• Through a sub-bookie, Owen inadvertently starts working for a high-ranking Mexican cartel lieutenant—at first as a bookie, then as a money courier and launderer:

  “He told me on the encrypted phone, ‘how would you like to make a million dollars a day?’” — Owen [45:33]

• He describes operating with encrypted phones, handling massive sums ($100K–$1M+) for the cartel, and the rush of flawlessly executing high-stakes transfers.

6. The Psychological Rush & Downward Spiral

[46:33–51:09]

• The stress of handling cartel money leads to escalating drug use for self-medication:

  “You’re so stressed...I was sleeping on $10 million...With my encrypted phone waiting for El Jefe’s message.” — Owen [46:54]

• The feeling of invincibility, followed by the stark terror and consequences once he owes the cartel millions after a loss.

• The most chilling moment:

  “I went to see that [cartel] meeting...You find out you’re not dead, but now you owe $4 million. And guess what? Now you work for the cartel full time.” — Owen [50:07]

7. Smuggling Tactics & Criminal Ingenuity

[52:12–59:39]

• Owen details creative schemes for laundering money and smuggling cocaine, exploiting connections from USC—including using expired chocolate shipments as a cover:

  “I got creative...I reached out to a fraternity brother whose family was in the import/export business… We were literally stuffing kilos of cocaine into boxes of chocolate.” — Owen [52:18, 54:04]

• This sense of "beating the system" fueled his addictive rush:

  “I was willing to do things most people weren’t willing to do. I had some big balls.” — Owen [59:30]

8. Can You Ever Walk Away?

[60:15–61:54]

• Even after paying off cartel debts, Owen says the rush and lifestyle were impossible to quit:

  “With that rush, man, you can’t leave...Now it’s my turn to shine. I was determined like, OK, now let me get back on top… 50 million was the number—get to that number and I’m out.” — Owen [60:51, 61:32]

• Rapid accumulation and spending:

  “Yeah, I was making a million dollars a day…but by the time you’re paying a courier, exchanging currency, paying someone on the US side—there’s fees. But I was still making money.” — Owen [61:54, 62:08]

• Lavish living: private jets, luxury real estate, dating 3–4 women at a time internationally, funding their lifestyles and cosmetic surgeries—what he jokingly terms “Build-a-Babe.” [63:12]

9. Collapse: Feeling the Law Closing In

[64:16–65:53]

• Owen describes the growing sense of being surveilled by the FBI:

  “There was literally a Verizon van at all my job sites for a week. My PI runs the plate—‘that’s a private plate.’ OK, they’re on me…” — Owen [65:52]

• But quitting wasn’t an option with cartel debts; he felt stuck in a cycle with no escape.

10. The Final Bust: Arrested on the Golf Course

[66:22–70:20]

• The infamous moment he’s nabbed by a team of armed agents after pulling into a suspiciously empty golf club parking lot:

  “Fifteen agents come out of the bushes. There’s a FBI helicopter above. They slap those metal cuffs—and I was like, finally, my life is over.” — Owen [70:10]

• Even then, Owen emphasizes his underlying sense of relief for being alive and "getting out" with his life.

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Notable Quotes (with Timestamps)

Owen Hanson

• "It was a million dollars a day, man." [00:07 & 61:43]
• “If you don't believe in God, you better start. I should have never made it out alive...sentenced to 21 years in federal prison and a life sentence in Australia, and here I am with my old quarterback.” [03:17]
• “As an athlete, right, you’re competitive your whole life… now you want to win. I want to beat the feds across this stuff across the border, just to say I did it.” [17:26]
• “If I could do this, I could run any business.” [59:30]
• “I felt like Superman. I was taking steroids. I was sniffing cocaine. The hottest chicks in every sorority. And I was part of the USC football team, man.” [20:07]
• “I'm sleeping on $10 million... in the dishwasher, in the attic... I can't even sleep. I'm popping Xanax and I still can't sleep.” [46:57]
• “Now you work for the cartel full time. …I felt like I got another life. But now you work for the cartel full time.” [50:07]
• “Fifteen agents come out of the bushes. ...I was like, finally, my life is over… but people are like, is it over? No... I’m alive.” [70:10]

Matt Leinart & Jerry Ferrara

• Matt: “When you hear all that stuff, your mind’s got to go to a lot of different spots.” [03:08]
• Jerry: “...Powerful feeling. Not that you fit in, but you more than fit in. People are seeking you out...” [10:25]
• Jerry: “Was there a moment… not a scary moment, but… I could get one of my teammates in trouble?” [23:36]
• Matt: “We were kings… Like the Beatles.” [19:38]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 00:46–03:08: Matt and Jerry introduce Owen and outline his wild journey for new listeners.
• 04:15–12:57: College sports, the urge to fit in, early hustles, first smuggling operation.
• 19:12–27:02: From athletics to bookmaking, the effect of the 2007 financial crash.
• 29:24–32:01: Building a Costa Rica–based digital betting empire.
• 32:01–36:43: Introduction to cartel involvement, encrypted communication, smuggling and laundering.
• 46:33–51:09: Life on the edge; stress, drug use, and mounting cartel debts.
• 52:12–59:39: Creative smuggling (using chocolate), psychological rush of beating the system.
• 60:15–61:54: The impossibility of quitting, the never-ending quest for a "number" high enough to walk away.
• 64:16–65:53: FBI scrutiny; knowing the end is near.
• 66:22–70:20: Final bust on the golf course, set up for Part Two.

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Memorable Moments

• Owen describing risking everything at the airport with drugs hidden in compressor shorts, “I made it by one.”
• Reminiscing on the uncanny “rush” of smuggling, scoring big in gambling, and evading the law.
• Cool confidence in high-stakes laundering: “I have agents all over every state… it was a well-oiled machine.”
• Owen’s jaw-dropping smuggling operation using expired chocolate, and his knack for logistical creativity.
• “Build-a-Babe”: Lavish spending spree on women and luxury, almost satirical in detail.

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Tone & Style

The conversation is raw, energetic, and unfiltered—reflecting Owen’s audacious personality and the hosts’ blend of humor, camaraderie, and genuine curiosity. It moves briskly between adrenaline-fueled criminal exploits, insights on the psychology of risk, and somber revelations about consequences. There is a recurring note of both disbelief ("Holy, bro") and fascination at the reality of what Owen survived and accomplished as a "cocaine quarterback."

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Conclusion

This episode is a gripping chronicle of Owen Hanson's journey from the glory of collegiate sports to the lethal shadows of the international criminal underworld. With behind-the-scenes stories, jaw-dropping criminal ingenuity, and honest talk about risk, stress, and the cost of living on the edge, Part One sets up an unforgettable redemption arc—next up, Owen's prison era and the second life that begins behind bars.

Stay tuned for Part Two.
Check out the Amazon Prime documentary "Cocaine Quarterback" for the full story.

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Transcript

[Matt]

You become a dealer, a bookie, you get involved with one of the most dangerous cartels in the world. How much money were you making a day?

[Owen Hansen]

It was a million dollars a day, man.

[Matt]

Holy, bro.

[Jerry]

Welcome on in, everybody. Throwbacks, don't forget to give us. Follow us at Throwback Show. All social media on YouTube at Throwback show as well. Sorry if I seem a little jittery.

[Matt]

You know, Squirrely, bro.

[Jerry]

Take it away, man. We have an unbelievable guest today.

[Matt]

This story, which y' all are gonna hear, and by the way, in two parts, because it's that good. This is a guy whose life is so nuts, guys, it could be a movie. And that's exactly what Mark Wahlberg did in Amazon with the new doc Cocaine Quarterback Signal Caller for the cartel, premiering on Prime Video today. Former all American top 50 volleyball recruit at Redondo Union High School, then received a scholarship to play at usc, eventually walked onto the Trojans football team where he and I became teammates and became buddies. Won a couple of national championships together. Obviously, there's a lot more to this story. Uh, it is unbelievable, especially after this, after USC is when it really became a movie. International drug and gambling rings, encrypted phones, cartels, prison ice cream, made in prison mop buckets, and so much more. Our guest today, Jerry O Dog, Owen Hansen, otherwise known as the cocaine quarterback.

[Jerry]

Yeah. Part one of a two part. Sit down. And I'll just say before we roll it, the only time I've been nervous to interview anyone was this one because I just did not know what we were walking into. And I watched the documentary before talking with them. And whoa. Also after that, we got Annie Agar joining us for some more twisted tea trivia. But let's just get to it because this is a good one. Owen Hansen, the cocaine quarterback, right now on Throwbacks.

[Matt]

Buckle up. Let me just. Let me just give this title real quick to you, okay? Kid from the South Bay. You end up at USC volleyball to football, where we became teammates. You win championships in that time, you become somewhat of a dealer of all sorts. And again, I didn't know this at the time. You become a bookie, you get involved with one of the most dangerous cartels in the world, money laundering, drug kingpin. You end up in prison for almost a decade. You start your own incredible business from prison, which we're going to talk about later. You have a doc coming out on Amazon called Cocaine Quarterback, where you were essentially the quarterback for the cartel.

[Owen Hansen]

Man.

[Matt]

Holy, bro.

[Owen Hansen]

And you're here. I made it. You made it.

[Matt]

You're alive and you're here. Like, I don't know. When you hear all that stuff, like. Like, your mind's got to be got. It has to go to a lot of different spots.

[Owen Hansen]

Definitely. You know, if you don't believe in God, you better start.

[Matt]

Yeah.

[Owen Hansen]

Because, wow. I should have never made it out alive. And then, you know, sentenced to 21 years in federal prison and a life sentence in Australia, and here I am with my old quarterback. Wow. We got.

[Matt]

We got the Coliseum bumming. We were. I was talking to Jerem. Like, I'm. I'm almost positive the last time I saw an O Dog, we go, oh, by oh, dog. Owen. By O Dog was at my golf tournament. And I'm thinking, like, this must have been right before all this went down, because it was like. I think it was like, 2013 or 14.

[Owen Hansen]

2014.

[Matt]

And I remember. And it was like, O Dog's coming.

[Owen Hansen]

You.

[Matt]

You donated to my charity, Hancock is. There are some of our boys. You're playing golf. And, like, at some point, because I don't. I don't know if we were in the same foursome, but at some point, I hear like, yeah, O dog's got, like, 50 grand cash. Like, he's like. I think he probably at some point was like, hey, hey, Maddie, you want to bet something? I'm like, no, bro, I'm good. But that was the last time I saw you was 12 years ago.

[Owen Hansen]

Yeah. I brought that cash to hustle some of your charity guys. And did you hustle? I won 20 grand that day. Did you? I hustled one of Hancock's buddy, and they're like, no, dog. He got us.

[Jerry]

You playing per hole, or is it just like an overall?

[Owen Hansen]

And we'd ride it, you know, we'd say, hey, you know, 5,000 here. Rollovers would go to 10, and then eventually you get to 18, and you're at 20 now.

[Jerry]

Oh, and like I was telling you off the air before we started the Doc, I watched, like, I watched the first two at home, and then when I flew here, I'm watching the final episode. We're going to try today not to step on too much of the Doc because we want people to watch it and be surprised. But there's so much there. I don't think we could actually step on anything because you have so many other layers to your story. I was on the plane watching the final episode of your Doc, chewing on my nails. My wife's sitting in the aisle next to me because I have kids with us. She's like, what are you watching? I'm like, babe, I'll tell you about it later. You need to watch this. This dude's story is absolutely crazy. And we're talking to him on the pod. So, you know, first of all, I know you don't probably watch the doc back, but I even talking off the air, there's even like so much to your story that's probably not in the dock right at this point.

[Owen Hansen]

There's definitely a lot. You know, we were hoping for a six part, but Amazon gave us three part. It definitely could have been a six part, but there's a lot of stuff they left off, you know, like the bookmaking, right. The gambling is so big now. You know, I spent nearly a decade in federal prison, so this doc is just the tip of the iceberg.

[Jerry]

Well, and then watching the earlier one, right, Like, I obviously I was like, your story from where you grew up and then, you know, you're this heavily, heavily recruited volleyball player and you go to sc, right? Because you had letters to a lot of different schools for volleyball. It wasn't just like, oh, I got one place. You kind of had your ch. A choice from a lot of different schools, right?

[Owen Hansen]

Pepper Dine, which was a good volleyball school, byu, University of Hawaii offered me a full ride. So I had, I had that choice, right? And I always tell people, man, what if I would have just stuck with going to Hawaii, I probably wouldn't be here today, right? It's almost like that usc, I was.

[Matt]

Actually going to ask the question of like if you. Or if you never walked on to the football team, which is a crazy. Which is a big part of your story. But you walked on because you met everybody and you kind of got. You've got exposed to sort of like this lifestyle right through all of us.

[Owen Hansen]

Like, we, Dude, Maddie, we were red carpet.

[Matt]

We were living the dream.

[Owen Hansen]

We like a Thursday night, we were in. In Hollywood, if you. Josh Richmond's put in the red.

[Jerry]

We had Josh.

[Owen Hansen]

Oh, gosh. Dude, he's a legend.

[Jerry]

He is a legend.

[Matt]

We like, if you never, if you never even play football and sc.

[Owen Hansen]

That's right.

[Matt]

Because sc, you can get into stuff. And we all, we were probably, we were boys even if you weren't on the football team. But like, if you never played football at usc, you probably wouldn't be here today. You probably would have done something else. And that's. It's wild.

[Owen Hansen]

I probably would have been somewhere, you know, working a 9 to 5, working maybe a real estate developer. What I enjoyed to do But I always tell people, like, man, if I didn't play football, like Matt just said, and I wasn't around, all my friends are going to the NFL draft. You know, Matt has a big contract, Reggie has a big contract, Sean, Cody, Frosty, all these guys that were hanging out with Mike Williams. Yeah. And I'm mad, like, where do I fit in? Right? And it was already like that because when I went to usc, I was already the son of construction worker. So it's already like, okay, chip on.

[Jerry]

The shoulder a little bit.

[Owen Hansen]

Yeah. Everyone has a silver spoon, so how am I going to make it? And that, that whole time I was like, chasing, like, how am I going to fit in? Like, how am I going to survive? And. And that's why I got into hustling, you know, graham bags for my fraternity brothers, you know, steroids for my teammates. And the list goes on, you know, I remember going to Cabo San Lucas on a spring break. You know, I'll never forget this. I'm like, how am I going to make money to be able to party with all these kids, right? I'm like, dude, I'm just gonna figure it out. And I remember going to where I'm from, Redondo beach. And there's. There's a rough side, north side, Redondo, which is a little rougher. It used to be rougher. Now it's not as rough. And I remembered these kids I went to. To high school with were, you know, gang members. I'm like, dude, I. I need a favorite. I need you guys to hook me up with some blow and some ecstasy. I said, front it to me. And they did, they did it. They said, here you go. And I remembered, dude, I just. I said, I'm gonna figure out how to get these drugs into Cabo San Lucas for the spring break. People usually don't bring drugs.

[Jerry]

There's dogs at the airport, too. Waiting. Wow.

[Matt]

So how'd you do it?

[Owen Hansen]

So I did it, dude. I. I strapped on. I got our compressor shorts that we got on the football team, these Nike compressor shorts. And I made them nice and tight. You know, they were size small. And I just wrapped it, wrapped it, wrapped it and just, Just put it, put it where it needs to go, right? And I'm not going to say where, but it's. It went where it needs to go, not the hole. Now knock it off. Come on, man. So I. I said, you know what is, as long as I push that, that green button, when you go into Kobby, it's. It's a Pass there, you know, green or red? Yep. As long as that thing goes green, I'm good. And I talk about it in the book the California Kid, because I was nervous. All my fraternity brothers are looking at me like, dude, are you okay, bro? I'm, like, sweating.

[Matt]

You get caught in Mexico, you're going to Mexico. There's no rules.

[Owen Hansen]

Yeah, there's no rules. And I remember I pushed that passe, right? I was like, oh, yeah. And literally, the next guy behind me hit red. I was like, oh, wow. Well, I just made. I made.

[Jerry]

You made it by one.

[Owen Hansen]

I made it by one. And I remember that trip. I was like, okay, I'm good. Like, I remember. I think I made, like, $10,000 on that trip. And I sold a gram for a hundred dollars, and I sold an ecstasy pill for 20. And I think I had, like, 2 ounces, so 56 grams. And then I had 300 ecstasy pills. And I was. People were just looking at me like, dude, that's the man right there. And I remember the first day on the beach. It was the mango deck, right? The office down there. Office. Dude, people are coming up to me.

[Matt]

Great spot.

[Owen Hansen]

And Jerry, I felt like the man. I had. Every chick from Arizona State, Arizona, ucla, everybody wanted to hang out with O Dog. And I was like, dude, this is the life. Like, it just brought me, like. Like, to the next level.

[Jerry]

Well, because that's what I think is so unique about your story, too, because, you know, a lot of times it just boils down to, all right, well, you just wanted to make money. Yes, of course. But, like, there is other things that come to. It is a powerful feeling. It is a feeling of, like. Not that you fit in, but you more than fit in. People are seeking you out to get what you're kind of providing. And, like, early on with the doc, which I wanted to ask you when you were playing volleyball, and, I don't know, you tell because you were so highly recruited, then you get to SC to play volleyball, and, like, everyone's kind of great, right? You're great, but everyone's. Everyone's great at the sport. You wouldn't be at SC if you weren't, Jerry.

[Owen Hansen]

I won two national championships at 17, 18 years old on the beach.

[Jerry]

National?

[Owen Hansen]

Yeah. That's unheard of. Yeah. Gold medals as a beach volleyball player. Then I go and play at. At Redondo High, which, you know, Matt's son goes there now, and I. I become this all American top 50 player in America for volleyball, which is.

[Jerry]

Yeah, they're, like, right in the back in the sport.

[Owen Hansen]

Yeah. Daily Breeze player of the year. So I'm like, cool, I'm gonna have a good career. You get to usc, and guess what? Everyone's All American.

[Jerry]

It's everyone's story, you know, I'm playing.

[Owen Hansen]

Behind Brooke Billings, who's an Olympian. All American, jumps 45 inches, you know, And I'm like, okay, I guess I'm not that good, you know? And I was the shortest guy on the team. I was 6:3 with a 37 inch vertical. And I was.

[Jerry]

And you were the shortest guy on the team.

[Matt]

That's crazy.

[Owen Hansen]

And I was like, man, it was a bummer because you go there for volleyball. And I remember that day they called me in the office and they said, hansen, we got to cut you. We're going to red shirt you. I'm like, what do you mean, cut me? I came here to play volleyball. You guys paid me to come here. You're telling me you're cutting me like that? He's like, hanson, you got to wear. You got to work on your. Your vertical jump and your arm strength. And I was so mad that day, Jerry. I remember I said, you know what? I'm gonna show him. And that day, I drove down to. Actually, I drove down to Redondo Beach. The Gold's Gym. Yeah. And I went to the biggest bodybuilder there, and I said, hey, what do you recommend? Yeah, I said, I need to work on my vertical and my arm strength. And he starts listing all these steroids. I'm like, the light bulb went off. I'm like, okay, that's my way. That's my way. I'm gonna show my coach that I have a vertical and I have a arm, a shoulder, you know, a. A swing like a. Like a whip. Right? So the guy gave me this list what I needed, and that's what I did.

[Jerry]

All right, quick break, because it's time for the fresh take of the week presented by Wendy's. Wake up with Wendy's Breakfast. So we got Owen on talking documentaries. His documentary is going to be awesome. And it got us thinking, what are some of the best sports documentaries that are out there? Who are. I know what my number one is, and I have two others that are, like, definitely my favorites. But I do have an all time no doubter, and I'm gonna save it for the end. Would you like to give us a few first?

[Matt]

Yeah, I'll give you my three. I'll start. I have the same one. No doubter. I'm gonna go Kobe Bryant, Muse 2015. Good luck again. I mean, people know this by me by now. I. I'm. I mean, I have Kobe all over in the background. Favorite athlete I just. I just love because he was so, like, he was so difficult. It's kind of like Tiger, right? He was so polarized, and you didn't really know a lot about him at times. He was so private and to himself. So anytime those things popped up, I was just fascinated. Obviously. Rest in peace. To the goat. The second one, O.J. simpson, made in America.

[Jerry]

I mean, that might be the best documentary. I mean, period. Not even sports, just ever of any documentary.

[Owen Hansen]

Yeah.

[Matt]

I mean, I don't know what else to say about it. It's just one of the greatest docs ever. It's just. It's a crazy story. And then number one, and by far, in a way. And I don't you have this as number one, which is a shame. Is the Last Dance by Michael. Michael Jordan. In a time where Covid. The whole world shut down, there was only one thing, one thing in the world that people couldn't wait for it to come out. And it was the Last Dance. I remember they dropped an episode, I think every week, and I was like, I can't wait. I can't wait for the next one. I can't wait for the next one. And it lived up to the hype. So MJ's Last Dance for me is the greatest sports doc of all time.

[Jerry]

That's up there for me too. That. That also, like, there's a lot of Knicks trauma in that for me. So I. But I sit through it. I have a traumatic one as my number three. And I. This is what I was saying. Like, I don't think just because I should put my favorite teams in there, but the comeback about the 04 Red Sox, which I watched recently and I talked about on the pod. That is an incredible.

[Matt]

That's a great sports doc.

[Jerry]

If you just wanted to be about the sport and the rivalry, then this one is a personal favorite. Me, When We Were Kings, Ali, Foreman, Rumble in the Jungle. Shot on film. It just like. It's a time capsule to a different time. And then the best sports documentary of all time. And I would fight till the end with anyone on this. Hoop Dreams. And if you haven't seen Hoop Dreams, I never.

[Matt]

I haven't seen it.

[Jerry]

You gotta watch Hoopdream. Like Hoop Dreams walked so all these other sports documentaries could run. It just was okay.

[Matt]

So what made it. What makes it so good?

[Jerry]

Sports documentaries were not very popular back then. You didn't get tons of them, but there was no 30 for 30s. Obviously. It's long before pre social media, and there was no AAU basketball, really. So these were two prime young athletes that they started watching from, like, fifth grade. And they watch them from fifth grade through, like, college. It's like it spans their life over 10 years of their career. One kid went to, like, a private prep school. The other kid went to, like, a tough public school. And which kid was going to have the better career was sort like, versus the private school versus the public school. It's awesome.

[Matt]

Yeah. Follows two inner city Chicago teenagers, Arthur AG. Arthur AG and William Gates, from 14 to 18, documenting their struggles to become college basketball players on the road to professionalism.

[Jerry]

All right, you should watch that where you go. Yeah, watch that on your. Wherever you're traveling to this weekend. It's an awesome one.

[Matt]

I'll watch it.

[Jerry]

All right, shout outs to Wendy's. Let's get back to Owen Hansen. Then you went down to Mexico, right? And for me, this is really where, like, the doc kicks off because, like, I'm, I'm enjoying your whole backstory. Like, I, and I understand your story, too. We very different stories. But, yeah, I grew up in a place in Brooklyn where it's like, it's rough. Everyone's, like, chasing the same quarter, so to speak. But then you go down there and you're bringing something back with you, right. And you talk about those nerves and, like, what happens to you as you're trying to cross customs back to America. And when you got through in the doc, you have this look on your face like, holy shit, I did it. And is part of your story, too, that rush that you get from pulling something like that off, you know, which most people in the world, probably 99.9% of the people in the world do not have the balls to even attempt. And here you are, you attempted it and you did it, and now it's just on.

[Owen Hansen]

Yeah. You know, as an athlete, right. You're competitive your whole life. So now you want to win. I want to win. I want to beat the feds across this stuff, across the border, just to say I did it. Right? And then I remember that day. Coming across into the United States was the first time I've ever smuggled anything into the United States. Mexico was easy, right? You're not, they're not looking for it, but coming into the US they know that's your big problem. And, and I tell people, man, that day I, I, I came through and the customs asked if I'm bringing anything back. And my heart just dropped. Right.

[Matt]

This was strapped to you again. Right.

[Owen Hansen]

This strapped to me again. Same way. And. And I said, no, sir. Where. Where did you go? Oh, we were at Papa's and Beer and.

[Jerry]

Harmless.

[Owen Hansen]

Harmless, right. It's a good line. Right? It's better than. Better than telling them I was at. At Elitis or Hong Kong Bar. So I was like, no. I was like, I was at Papas and Beer Rosarito, and they're like, welcome back. And I was like, yeah, baby, I'm back. I said, do they even know what's going to be happening now?

[Matt]

So you go. So, like, like Jerry said, the rush that you got was like. And then immediately you're probably a light bulb is like, was that before or after the spring break? Where did those.

[Owen Hansen]

So that was after.

[Matt]

So you had our. But you said smuggling into Cabo or Mexico was.

[Owen Hansen]

Yeah, yeah. The Cabo was easy for me because I wasn't worried because it's. They're not looking for people bringing in drugs. Yeah. So I already knew that I had that going. But of course, you're still worried you're going to get pushed that red button. But I wasn't as bad, but I already had that mindset. Like, if I could go in, I could come out. So I remember I was like, man, I just made it through the border and it just kind of. That light bulb went off. Like, okay, that was a rush.

[Matt]

Was that. Is that so? Like, I think the big part, too is like. And then. Then this is where you start to take the steroids. You get jacked, you walk on for the football team, and that's where our relationship and all our boys kind of started. You talk about in the doc, but just describe that, because that was a big decision you made, and that opened you up to a whole lot of. Because we were. We're kings. We're kings.

[Jerry]

Like the Beatles.

[Matt]

No, but I'm just saying, like, everyone. Everyone. I'm sure they asked you. Everyone asked me, like, what was it like that. Then I'm like, honestly, it felt normal because that's all we knew. But then looking back, I'm like, it's not normal.

[Owen Hansen]

No. You see videos now, like, of us partying. You're like, damn, we were rock stars. Right?

[Matt]

So that moment you realize the light bulb. Okay, wow, I can do this. Wow, this is pretty cool. This makes me feel kind of powerful. Then you feel powerful because you're on the football team. Like, just that time in your life, like, describe that.

[Owen Hansen]

That was the greatest time of my life, right? You were unstoppable. Like, I felt like Superman. I was taking steroids. I was sniffing cocaine. I was d. And the hottest chicks in every sorority. And I was part of the USC football team, man. Like, it doesn't get any better that two national championships, might I add. You know, we. We. I think we lost one game, right? Matt to Cal. 3. 3 times. 3 overtimes, 3 overtimes, right?

[Jerry]

3 overtimes for them to win.

[Owen Hansen]

So I remember, like, dude, I said, this is life. Like. Like, where do you go from here, right?

[Jerry]

Do you remember the first time meeting. Oh, like, who's this? W. Like, because you were the only crappy from. For the walk on.

[Owen Hansen]

Yeah.

[Jerry]

You were the only person who walked on that.

[Owen Hansen]

And then the next year was Clay Matthews. Yeah.

[Matt]

You know what's crazy about watching the Doctor? And it actually made me. I was telling you, it made me. It made me a little bit emotional, dude, because I was like, like, oh, fit in right away, I think. I don't remember. Like, we had. We had our boys. Like, we were just fun, dude, and like, oh, dog. Fit in right away to everybody, you know, just like. And maybe. Maybe, like watching them, maybe it was because you were trying to fit in so much because I didn't know you're.

[Owen Hansen]

But I was a chameleon. Know. You were a chameleon.

[Matt]

Like, Like, I was just. He was just fun. He was like the. Whatever. But I never. I never really knew that you pro. That you were doing all this, like, while we were. While we were hanging and stuff, which is just, like, sharing.

[Owen Hansen]

It's not something you want to tell.

[Jerry]

A little low.

[Owen Hansen]

I appreciate you. Like, there's people like my dad and mother to this day, they're like, yeah, we didn't have a clue. I'm like, yeah, mom, that's not something I'm going to tell you. You know?

[Matt]

How active were you, like, on campus? Kind of like this. This. I guess you could call it a side hustle at the time, right?

[Owen Hansen]

Like, dude, it was a side hustle. Like I said, I just wanted to pay for that. Those. Those drinks at the Nine Zero. Yeah. Or 28th Street Cafe. It started just. Dude, it just started like that because.

[Matt]

Dude, I'm not sure we ever paid for a drink.

[Owen Hansen]

I didn't. Well, he did it. But your date, right? You just want to be the man. Like, here, let me get you that. But, dude, I just wanted it to cover my expenses because my mom and dad, they didn't give me anything, right? And I was like, this is how I'm gonna get by. This is, like, my hustle. And I. I planned it so well. I remember I was living at the Beta Theta PI fraternity house, and I planned it so well. We'd go to. We had double days in the summer, right? And I would have my. My fraternity brother who lived with me at the Beta house. I'd be like, okay. I weighed out all the grams for them. You know, there would be, like, 300 grams in the sock drawer. And I'd be like, okay, there's ecstasy here. There's Xanax here. There's Adderall here. Remember, every 20 grams you sell, you get one on the house every 20 ecstasy pills. Yeah. So he's like, good, dude. This is awesome. Thanks so much.

[Matt]

How much were you selling those for, dude?

[Owen Hansen]

I was. Dude, the grams were, like, I think 60 bucks, right? In a gram. The. The dealer down the street at, like, Arco Gas was, like, selling it to these fraternity kids for, like, a hundred dollars a gram, right? So I undercut the market, and my stuff was way better. These guys were stepping on their stuff, but it wasn't even me selling it, right. I just sat back, and I would go to practice, I remember, And I'd come back, he's like, oh, yakked out of his mind. I'm like, what's the matter, bro? He goes, we have a problem. I go, what's the problem? He goes, we're out of coke. I said, that's a good problem.

[Jerry]

That means we're out here. We sold all.

[Owen Hansen]

That means you've had, like, three grams yourself.

[Jerry]

Well, you don't want to hear, we're at a coat, and there's not money.

[Owen Hansen]

Yeah. Oh, there was money.

[Jerry]

There is a problem that you pull.

[Owen Hansen]

The software out, and literally, there's just 20s full. You know, back when people use cash.

[Matt]

There'S so many moments in your story which were like, unpacking it all. But in that time, was there living the dream. Powerful, having fun, going. Going off. Like, was there a moment in that time, too, where it was, like, not a scary moment, but I'm like, oh, like, this could fucking end up bad. Or I could get one of my teammates in trouble. Or just. Was there ever that early on, you know? Because I know it hits you later.

[Owen Hansen]

Listen, there wasn't that moment. I'll tell you why. Because my mindset was like this. As soon as I'm done with college, I already know a USC alumni is going to hire me.

[Matt]

Yes.

[Owen Hansen]

Which happened. Yeah. And I said, that's it. I'm turning it off.

[Jerry]

Right. College thing I did, like how I just get some cash.

[Owen Hansen]

Yeah. I did that. Career path. Yeah. I showed up. I remember my first job interview was with Gary Safety, who, you know, lived next to Mark, actually. And dude, I showed up with that national championship ring, and, dude, I was hired on the spot. Yeah, I remember. You think he paid me, like, you know, 60, 000 a year plus commission. I was like, dude, this is it. And put that side hustle away. I was happy. Life was good.

[Jerry]

And you were going to sell real, right?

[Owen Hansen]

I was gonna. Real estate developers. Yeah. And then in 2007, 7 market crash. I remember they called me in the office and they're like, you're the first one to go. I mean, how can you argue it? The market just crashed.

[Jerry]

Yeah.

[Owen Hansen]

And I scrambled. You know, I did. I did what I did in college. I said, okay, what am I going to do? Like, this is.

[Jerry]

How am I gonna.

[Owen Hansen]

Yeah. How am I gonna survive and survive?

[Jerry]

Yeah.

[Owen Hansen]

And then I was like, dude, you know what? I want to be a bookie. Like, you know, you've always been that. That gangster life. You've always thought, like, you've watched Goodfellows, Scarface, and you've always wanted to be like. Like them, Right.

[Jerry]

And you know sports, you know.

[Owen Hansen]

Yeah, we know sports. We know. Well, we know everybody, right? You know, So I said, I think that would be the perfect job for me. And I remember my father had an Italian bookmaker friend. And I said, dude, that's that maker friends. I said, that's the play right there. I'm gonna go ask Tony.

[Jerry]

So I was gonna say, that's your only connection to. That was the only connection to that.

[Owen Hansen]

Right. He didn't want to do it. He said, no way, man. You just graduated from usc. I said, man, this is temporary. I just lost my job.

[Jerry]

Right.

[Owen Hansen]

So please, Tony. I begged him, dude. It took me like three sit downs with him to finally convince him. He's like, all right, I'll do it, but just temporary. And I. It snowballed.

[Jerry]

You start like running a sheet, almost like where you're.

[Owen Hansen]

I run on a sheet. He's giving me, you know, 20 he's giving me. And he's like, go get your clients. And I started going to the. The football players that are now in the NFL. You know, guys that played baseball at SC are now in the major leagues.

[Jerry]

Guys that have to be a little more discreet when they're places correct.

[Owen Hansen]

They can't.

[Jerry]

That's probably what you did. Well, I bet you, you kept it.

[Owen Hansen]

Very well because I had that gangster.

[Jerry]

And you're an athlete too. It's like you're, you're one of them. You know, you have the championship.

[Owen Hansen]

R. I golf with them and they feel like they're me.

[Jerry]

Yeah.

[Owen Hansen]

So then I started going after all these like fraternity brothers, like that all have daddy's money. So now I starting to build this network. And I remember I went after one of the general contractors that was working for the developer. And I used to see him bet on the games, like $20,000 a game. And I like, I'm gonna, I'm gonna get that guy's business. So I went to him, I said, hey, you know, I lost my job. I said, I watched you gamble on sports. I've heard you on the phone. What if I gave you a line, give you a website, gave you a number, and I gave you a hundred thousand dollar credit line. And, and that I remember, that was the first, first whale I got. And the guy lost, I think the first week he lost 90, 000. And you got to remember, I'm 21 years old. And then the next week, a hundred thousand, I'm like, okay, this is my calling.

[Jerry]

And he's paying on like it's. You're not even having.

[Owen Hansen]

Yeah, I'm giving him free plays, right? Like he loses anything he wants, he loses a hundred. I'm like, here's 10,000 free play, good luck. Here's a bottle of vodka, here's a coke, here's a hooker. Like, whatever he wanted, he got. Like he was the man. Like, to me, that was like, this is my whale.

[Jerry]

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[Jerry]

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[Jerry]

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[Annie Agar]

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[Matt]

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[Owen Hansen]

And then I tried to ask this, this Italian. I said, dude, you got to bump my commission up. I said, I just collected a million dollars in six months for you. I said, you got paid 800,000. I got paid 200.

[Jerry]

I said, and I'm doing all.

[Owen Hansen]

These are my customers. And like, sorry. I'm like, okay, you guys want to play me like that? I'm going to figure out a way to do this myself. And that's when I flew down to Costa Rica, the mecca of sports betting. Yeah. And I figured it out, man. I went door to door and you're.

[Jerry]

On your own now. You don't have like three or four dudes with you who know the business as well. You are independent.

[Owen Hansen]

It's just me.

[Jerry]

That's crazy.

[Owen Hansen]

That's why they call me Odog. Betodog.com was my website. And I shock.

[Jerry]

I feel like I know that website.

[Owen Hansen]

So it was. It was a big website, dude, we got big, man. It got really big. So my. Those guys that ended up teaching me the business ended up getting busted by the feds. So it's a domino effect. Once they got busted, I took all their clients. So I was like, literally, I had 2, 000 customers in 2012, 2013, 14. I ran the whole United States. I mean, I had Paris Hilton betting with me. You know, it's crazy. I had some big a Lot of a list. Celebrities, a lot of baseball players, a lot of UFC fighters. You. You'd be surprised. You know, I mentioned it in the book, who was gambling with me, but it's. It's incredible that, you know, I was able to turn that bad opportunity with the. The recession and flip it around.

[Jerry]

Well, that's like the sliding doors. And you could say this about anyone's story, really, because obviously, like, if the real estate market doesn't crash, you very well might just still right now be a just real estate tycoon sitting here. Right. Or even if, like, if your Italian buddy is like, you know what? Yeah, I'll bump you up to 40. You might just be like, cool, I'll work with this. Well, and. And I'll wait for the economy to come back, and I'll go back to that. Like, so many different moments where, you know, the path could have changed, but sometimes the world's lining up in a certain way that you want to say, like, it's intentionally pushing you in that direction. But, you know, so many different things could have. Doors could have closed that could have changed the course of your history.

[Owen Hansen]

Yeah. And I think now. Now that once you go on your own, you want to be your own. Right. Okay.

[Jerry]

I actually could do this without anyone.

[Owen Hansen]

Not going to work for someone and wear a suit 9 to 5. That doesn't sound exciting. So once you taste that and then, you know, you start going international with this thing, like, I'm like, okay, I'll go to Mexico, I'll go to China, wherever. Whoever wants to bet with me, bet with me. You know, I. I got cocky. And one of my. My bookies that worked was underneath me. He. He had a customer out of Mexico. That's just. This is where this thing turned bad, Jerry. This is where it turned bad, man.

[Jerry]

This is.

[Owen Hansen]

This is where you meet. This is exactly. That's a good, good, good.

[Jerry]

Like, I'm telling you, Karen, like, you're crazy.

[Owen Hansen]

Yeah, you're right. That's Henry Hill right there. So just start booking bets. And unbeknownst to me, I'm booking bets for the infamous, infamous cartel lieutenant at the time. I'm not going to say the name. I never say the name, obviously, for safety reasons, but I don't have a clue, because like I told you when we were speaking earlier, I don't care who my bookies have as customers, as long as they're paying, Right? He's taking his percentage, I'm taking mine. Everyone's happy when you're getting bags of cash. $250,000 on a Monday. You don't care. You just say, keep giving that guy his free plays. Whatever he wants, we'll provide the service for him. And finally, Jerry, he.

[Matt]

He.

[Owen Hansen]

He finally had a 5 pick in. I think it was the Raiders parlayed. He was going to crack me for, like, 250, 260 on a Sunday. He's finally gonna hit. But you want him to. If you don't let him hit, then guess what? They're gonna quit. Yeah. I was like, come on, baby, please, please. I want to show him you're rooting for him. And people look at me like, why would you root for him? Like, dude, you don't know this business. Yeah, this is the business. I want to give him back some money. And I called his sub bookie. I said, get your ass over here right now. I said, I'm going to have a bag cash for you. It was Sunday night. I said, as soon as this game's over, I said, come Monday morning, give him that bag of cash. 8:00am I don't care if he's still sleeping.

[Jerry]

Which does not happen.

[Owen Hansen]

Doesn't happen in the bookie business.

[Matt]

But you didn't know he was.

[Owen Hansen]

I didn't know at the time. Didn't have a clue. But I knew it was a VIP customer. To me, that's all I cared about. It could have been a doctor. I didn't care. Right. And he showed up and he paid him at 8am and I remember a week went by, and he says, hey, my uncle said, you do really good business. And I said, your uncle? He goes, yeah, that's my customer. This. This agent of mine is a Mexican. I'm like, okay, cool. I'm glad. Oh, by the way. And he gives me an encrypted phone. He wants to speak to you. Wait a minute. I don't even know what the encrypted phone is. Right? Yeah.

[Jerry]

Oh, my gosh.

[Owen Hansen]

They're, like, looking at it like, what am I supposed to do with this? Has no microphone, no camera. It's just like a brick, right? It goes. He goes, okay, this is your password. You got, like, three passwords to get into this thing. Holy. I'm like, opening it up. And. And sure enough, he says, man, you. He spoke English. Half English, half Spanish. A wo. You do good business. Me, nobody is. You know, what's his name? Fake name, of course. And he. He says, I. I want to see if you can do some business for me. And I'm like, yeah, what? This is a VIP customer Whatever you want. Like whatever you want.

[Jerry]

You want to keep the game?

[Owen Hansen]

I want, I want this guy losing a quarter million every week, right? He says, I like how you do business. He says, can I pay you 10% to move some cash for me? I'm like, yeah, no problem. He's like, sometimes I need a hundred thousand in San Diego, a hundred thousand in New York, a hundred thousand in Florida, whatever the number may be. He goes, whatever you drop off, I'll pay you 10. I'm like, dude, this is easy. I'm a bookie. I have money all over the U.S. i have agents all over every state pretty much. So for me it's just a phone.

[Jerry]

Call providing a service for a client.

[Owen Hansen]

I'm like, no problem. Hey, New York, hey, drop off 100 grand down on 6th Street. Boom. 100 grand dropped off. Get on the encrypted phone, it's done. Okay, where do you want the 110? Because he's paying me 10. I said, send it to my office in Costa Rica. So it was just a well oiled machine, right? I'm making 10 a day, you know. And eventually it started getting bigger and bigger. One time he had me pick up a million dollars and then I made a hundred thousand dollars in a day minus my fees for the private jet and the two security I brought with me. So it's like, this is, this is fun for me. Like I'm not, I feel like I'm not doing hell illegal, right?

[Jerry]

But you get in the rush, feeling.

[Owen Hansen]

Same rush when I came across that border, right? Yeah. I'm like, okay, this was fun. Like hiring the private jet company, telling the pilot, the pilot telling me I can't have guns on the plane, right? And telling my security, like, guys, put those in the car, you know, and, and getting off that plane and picking up that money and looking around like, am I going to get attacked? Like, you know, something's bad's going on, but you don't, you still haven't touched those drugs, you know, you got to keep that in mind. So in my mind, I'm just a really good money, money laundering right person. So dude, it was just, it was just like Business 101 for me. It was like, okay, I'm good at this, you know, I'm gonna figure out a way, whatever this guy wants, I mean, he's now losing money on the sports book and he's basically paying me, you know, between ten and a hundred thousand dollars a day.

[Jerry]

Okay. Joining us now, as she always does, Annie Agar, courtesy of Twisted tea. Grab a refreshing twisted tea. Today we're gonna play twisted Trivia, which Matt has been dominant thus far. I'm gonna make my big comeback. Annie, how are you?

[Annie Agar]

I've been better. There's been. There's been better weeks. No, I'm good. We're on to week four. Everything's gonna be fine.

[Matt]

Did you guys lose two last week?

[Annie Agar]

You know, Matt, I don't remember. I don't. You know, it's not definitely Browns because.

[Matt]

That would be embarrassing as a week three game. Is that. Does that hurt more because it's the Browns and just the lowly Browns or is it just like, hey, we'll move on. It's a loss. We move on. Like, like to you as a fan.

[Annie Agar]

It'S the worst possible setup because of the first two games prior. If we'd played mediocre. The first two, we played two contending teams.

[Jerry]

You destroyed them.

[Annie Agar]

The commander and destroyed them to then lose to the Cleveland Browns. Oh, but hey, you.

[Jerry]

You launched Quinn Junkins career. They now have a running back. The Browns should be two in one.

[Annie Agar]

I hope everybody who has him in fantasy is happy.

[Jerry]

The Browns are a field goal kicker away from being two in one and they have a really good defense at home.

[Annie Agar]

That's the thing. It's not even their offense. Like they're. I would say their offense put up actually just three points.

[Jerry]

Have you seen the conspiracy theories though, that the. I mean, what was Jordan. Some of those plays were like.

[Annie Agar]

Didn't they say they're investigating it?

[Jerry]

Like, I'm pretty sure that was a.

[Matt]

Fake account because I thought so too.

[Jerry]

I don't think that's someone who took an adjustment.

[Annie Agar]

I mean, that sack on third one was.

[Jerry]

I took an adjusted line parlay and I moved the packers down to minus two and a half. I was thinking the same thing while watching that game slip away.

[Annie Agar]

Think of all the people in their survivor pools that the packers literally screwed them the entire. Because I'm pretty sure they got all the other games. Kind of want to play.

[Jerry]

A lot of people see how they bounce back.

[Matt]

I want to. Because I want to ask you guys a question. Can I ask you guys a question?

[Jerry]

Yeah.

[Matt]

What's more. What's more shocking? The Colts being three and oh, and Daniel Jones playing like an MVP or Bill Belichick being on the COVID of Us magazine. What's more shocking?

[Annie Agar]

Great question. You know what? At this point, I would. Nothing with Bill surprises me. So I'd probably say Daniel Jones.

[Jerry]

Man, I'm pretty surprised. The matrix is really Broke.

[Owen Hansen]

Listen, when you.

[Matt]

When you've made the COVID of us, You've. You've made it. You've made it in the tabloids.

[Annie Agar]

Or. Or you. You have a lot of issues in your life.

[Jerry]

That would have been the biggest underdog. That's, like, most likely person five years ago to be on the COVID of Us Weekly.

[Matt]

Yeah.

[Jerry]

Bill Belichick would be like, I don't know, the biggest odds of all time.

[Annie Agar]

That's crazy.

[Matt]

I was just checking.

[Owen Hansen]

Just checking.

[Annie Agar]

It just. It resonated more when he showed me it, too. Because when you hear it, you're like, oh, it's just Bill. No, it's like.

[Matt]

And by the way, posed and everything. Top 100 NFL. Like, all time jacket, too.

[Owen Hansen]

It's great, Bill.

[Annie Agar]

So weird.

[Owen Hansen]

Yeah, it's crazy.

[Jerry]

All right. I don't even know if we should talk NFL after that. Maybe we should just go right to trivia, because I need to bounce back. Let me get the twisted teeth.

[Annie Agar]

There are no Bill Belichick questions in here, so that's good.

[Jerry]

I got my hat on. I'm locked in this week.

[Owen Hansen]

Matt.

[Jerry]

Let's. Let's do it. Annie.

[Matt]

All right, buddy.

[Annie Agar]

Question number one. Who was the last NFL MVP that was not a quarterback? Last NFL mvp.

[Jerry]

Adrian Peterson.

[Owen Hansen]

Yes. Wow.

[Jerry]

Let's go. It's the half.

[Annie Agar]

It's the hat.

[Matt]

NFL mvp.

[Annie Agar]

Okay. Who is. Who has thrown for the most interceptions in NFL history?

[Jerry]

Brett Favre.

[Annie Agar]

Yeah, I said Brett first. That was a close one.

[Jerry]

No way. Check the tape. We'll both take that off.

[Annie Agar]

I was gonna say that one a half a second off. Okay. Number three. Who is the only player in NFL history to average over 100 rushing yards per game? This is a ways back.

[Jerry]

Jim Brown.

[Annie Agar]

Oh, my gosh. You guys are on.

[Owen Hansen]

It's the hat.

[Jerry]

That is the.

[Matt]

By the way, that is the luckiest guess I've ever heard.

[Jerry]

Luckiest guest. Well, Jim Brown had a short career with very unbelievable numbers. So if you just do the math in your mind, less games.

[Annie Agar]

Wow.

[Jerry]

Better chance of keeping that average.

[Owen Hansen]

Wow.

[Matt]

Good.

[Annie Agar]

I see how. I see where your brain went. Yeah, that's very good. That's the hat.

[Jerry]

That's when the team shows up.

[Matt]

By the way, you're two and one. It's not a route. You're up to one.

[Jerry]

I did say Brett Favre before you. No, you'll let it go because I'm a generous guy today.

[Annie Agar]

Who was the last running back to be named offensive Rookie of the Year?

[Jerry]

I know this one because it's, like deceiving.

[Matt]

I think Todd Gurley.

[Annie Agar]

No.

[Jerry]

Would you say it's deceiving, like someone you would not have imagined? Or. It's pretty typical.

[Annie Agar]

It's pretty.

[Jerry]

Last running back to be named offensive of the year, rookie McCaffrey.

[Annie Agar]

No.

[Matt]

Derek Henry.

[Annie Agar]

Jerry's gonna love this answer. Tell you that.

[Matt]

Saquon Barkley.

[Jerry]

Oh, Saquon Barkley.

[Annie Agar]

Yeah, I got it.

[Matt]

I was about to cuss at you.

[Owen Hansen]

But I won't do it. There you go.

[Matt]

Two and two. For all that you're being up on me, we're two and two.

[Annie Agar]

All right, this is it. This is the tiebreaker, gentlemen. Who was the last number one overall pick to win Rookie of the Year?

[Matt]

Not Cam Newton.

[Owen Hansen]

No.

[Jerry]

It's not Andrew Luck, is it? It's not.

[Owen Hansen]

No.

[Jerry]

I know because RG3. No, he wasn't number one pick. He was number two. Andrew was in the same draft as Andrew Luck.

[Matt]

Yeah.

[Jerry]

Last number one pick to win mvp.

[Matt]

No offense.

[Annie Agar]

To win Rookie of the Year.

[Jerry]

Rookie of the year.

[Annie Agar]

I mean, it's your cut. You're. You're around there, like, timing wise. No, it's a good guess.

[Matt]

He wasn't a number one pick.

[Annie Agar]

Kind of surprised me.

[Jerry]

Oh, yeah. Oh, number one pick. Number one pick.

[Annie Agar]

Yeah. Trevor Lawrence, number one pick. No. Maybe for most interceptions.

[Matt]

Give us a hint. Give us a hint.

[Annie Agar]

He would be on the short list of people.

[Matt]

What?

[Annie Agar]

That's your hit. That's your hint. He. He would be Tyler Murray. Yeah. Sorry, Matt, that was a bad name.

[Matt]

I see what you were doing.

[Jerry]

Tall guys don't think about short. Like, he didn't know what that meant. I know I've had that joke said to me before. So that's why I was able to snap into action. Matt being 65 and Air Force ones. What? Know what that meant.

[Annie Agar]

Are you guys. Are you guys. How tall are you, Jerry? Are you the same height?

[Jerry]

5, 6. 6.

[Matt]

Jerry's 5. 6. On a good day. When he has.

[Jerry]

Well, I have shrunk about an inch. I have shrunk for bad posture. I used to be five, seven. Yeah, we all are, as per my license.

[Annie Agar]

Wow, that surprised me. I didn't know he won Rookie of the Year. Neither did I. I didn't know he had a good rookie.

[Jerry]

I think he did. I think he did. Then it went downhill and now he's back. Our short Kings, they're playing good. Well, I feel like the hat brought me back shout outs to Twisted te. I would crack one right now. But we got some more work to do.

[Matt]

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[Jerry]

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[Matt]

At what point did you know who you were getting involved with?

[Owen Hansen]

Oh, I. I started. Listen, you know, but you don't. You're looking. Yeah, you don't want to know. You don't want to ask too many questions.

[Matt]

Yeah, of course.

[Owen Hansen]

And you're just finally saying to yourself, well, listen, this is really a. A whale. A VIP customer. We know he's into illegal activity. I can guess. I'm no dummy. I'm picking up money from Mexicans. Like, that's okay. Mexican Mexico. Okay. I'm putting it together. And then the, The. The true one was when he told me on the encrypted phone, how would you like to make a million dollars a day. You got to remember, man, I'm 25. You know, this is where my career as a cocaine quarterback became better than Matt's career as a quarterback. You know, it really did. You know, Matt played for four teams, and I played for one cartel and started getting paid a million dollars a day to do the same thing in Australia now. And I remember getting to Australia, and I'm like, okay, and you never been.

[Jerry]

To Australia at this point, right? Never been, like, new. New.

[Owen Hansen]

New territory, surroundings for you.

[Matt]

What's your. Like. What's a day to day like when you're moving a million dollar or you're making a million a day? You're living this high life because it does.

[Owen Hansen]

You.

[Matt]

You do kind of touch on the dock a little bit. Like you're on top of the world, but at that point, you know who you're involved with. You know, you're probably doing some bad. But, like, I don't care. I'm doing this. Like, what's that? What's a day to day like for you in that. In that time of your life?

[Owen Hansen]

To be honest, man, a lot of drugs because you're so stressed. You're so stressed.

[Jerry]

The stress management. The stress level, like, the sleep, like, sleep.

[Owen Hansen]

You're sleeping. One day, I remember in Australia, I was sleeping on $10 million. Was underneath my bed in the cupboards of the kitchen. Yeah. In the. In the dishwasher in the attic. And I'm just sitting there with my encrypted phone waiting for El Jefe's message. I'm just like, gosh, I can't even sleep. I'm popping Xanax and I still can't sleep. You know, I'm like, okay, this is. This is a terrible feeling.

[Matt]

And you're not even like. Like, trying to get out. Right? You can't. You.

[Owen Hansen]

You can't get out at that point. It's impossible.

[Jerry]

I mean, at some point, you're so far in, it's like, there's only one.

[Owen Hansen]

Way out or just two ways. Right. Dead or in prison. And I took the later, too, which, you know, God. God bless. You know that it happened that way. Yeah. You know, we. Let's be honest. I shouldn't be here.

[Jerry]

And, like, you're still so young. I mean, I want to say that you were a kid because you were a young man, but it's like, you're not 45 making these decisions with a lot of life experience. You're still kind of starting your.

[Owen Hansen]

Yeah. Was 26, learning on the fly.

[Jerry]

You're. I. I look back. I'm 45. Look back to when I was 26. I didn't know anything really. I was, like, learning while I go, especially with, like, acting like, you're just learning as you go.

[Owen Hansen]

Yeah.

[Jerry]

So I imagine, like, when you turn around after, like, two years, you're like, I learned a lot, but also, I'm way involved, More than I probably wanted to be at the time.

[Owen Hansen]

No doubt. Like, I remember in prison thinking, like, man, I could have done that a little cleaner. Like, I sure up on that. Like, I'm an old man now, right? I'm, like, 41 years old thinking about my young days. I'm like, man, I. I should have done something.

[Matt]

A big. I mean, a big part of your story is when you lost all the money.

[Owen Hansen]

Yeah, that's a big part. I didn't lose it. You didn't lose it for you.

[Matt]

And that. I feel like that, like, there's turning points in all our careers, right? Like, Entourage was a big, massive turning point, you know, my football career. But now I'm like. I'm doing, like. There's always these. These moments. And for you, I feel like when you met that guy and eventually lost all the money, the cartel, that was a massive, like, turning point for you. Not. Not in a great way. You're, like, whole. It had to switch your hole.

[Jerry]

Now it's different.

[Matt]

Now you're like, I owe these money.

[Owen Hansen]

It wasn't like getting cut from the volleyball team for sure. You know, you're like, okay, this one hurts.

[Jerry]

Right?

[Matt]

Like, because you probably. I mean, what. What's your immediate. I mean, you do touch on it. I think it's fascinating. What's your immediate reaction when you're like, holy, I'm in debt. This amount of money to the cartel, and I have to figure out how to get it back?

[Owen Hansen]

Or. Yeah. I mean, you just. Now you're in, like, because you're already stressed panic mode. I thought I was doing a lot of blow then. Now I'm popping OxyContins. Now I'm talking Vicodin.

[Jerry]

Because you're just managing GHB.

[Owen Hansen]

I'm now like, okay, I don't care if I die in at this point. Like, right. Like, it's like, you're so stressed. I remember I was dating a girl, and she goes, what's wrong with you? And I couldn't tell her that I owed, you know, $3.2 million to the cartel.

[Jerry]

How do you say that?

[Owen Hansen]

You know, And I remember, you know, I Wrote a note in the, put it in the sock drawer when I had to go meet El Jefe, you know, and we'll save some of it for the people that want to watch the doc. Yeah, I remember. I remember going to see that meeting and just. I'm dead, right? You think you're gonna die and when you find out you're not dead, you. You find that, find out that, okay, you don't owe us 3.2 now, you owe us 4 million. And guess what?

[Jerry]

But you're like reborn again in that moment.

[Owen Hansen]

Well, because I felt like I got another life. Yeah, but now you were for the cartel full time. And I'm like, oh, wow, that's, that's. Yeah, but I remember walking out of that meeting in Mexico drinking a margarita, man, like at least I'm alive, right? Like I'm alive.

[Matt]

And now let's put my business mind, figure out how the I'm gonna do this.

[Owen Hansen]

And that's what I did. And I got creative. Well, I got real creative. You guys saw it.

[Jerry]

I saw this part on the plane. I keep referring to like the stress nail body. I could point to the exact moment. Cuz sometimes every now and then I have dreams. I'll have like a bad dream that I never left Brooklyn and I got involved in some shit and people are after me and I'll wake up like, oh man, that's like my worst nightmare. You're. They do a good job in the DOC of like he lived that every day. Doing well in the doc. Like I don't know if those are exact messages you were getting, but there was like one message from El have it just said like tick tock.

[Owen Hansen]

Yeah.

[Jerry]

And I, for me, when I saw that, I got so much anxiety for you because like that's, that's, that's a different tick tock than.

[Owen Hansen]

Yeah, you know, that's a survival.

[Jerry]

It's just like you're on the clock. It's not like you're on the clock on draft day waiting to make your next pick. You're on the clock probably for your life at that point.

[Owen Hansen]

Yeah, and it's a bummer, right?

[Jerry]

Scared out of me, honestly.

[Owen Hansen]

Yeah, I remember. I could only imagine what you remember looking at the phone, it says it's time, right? That's the tick tock. You're like, oh boy, here we go. But it's a bummer. I tell people, man, I wish I would have lost that 3.2 million, you know, Like I would have had so much fun losing it.

[Matt]

What I say all the Time when I had. When those pictures came out of me at college, I got totally screwed. I'm like, man, people think I had a rager. I would have had a full blown orgy. I would have just been going, you.

[Jerry]

Had just like a fun night that was cool. And instead, that ended up being the biggest. Yeah, you should have had a blowout.

[Owen Hansen]

You.

[Matt]

You just said, like, I think this is fascinating, and I would love to hear this, because the way that you were moving stuff was fascinating.

[Owen Hansen]

What were.

[Matt]

What were some of the other kind of craziest payment methods or ways that you.

[Jerry]

That maybe aren't in the dot because you want to leave the specific one, which is crazy out there. You should check.

[Owen Hansen]

Well, I used my USC networking and. And people don't understand. Like, I got creative.

[Jerry]

Yeah.

[Owen Hansen]

You know, I got real creative. I mean, I went to my best friend that played on the volleyball team who had a brother that was an accountant, you know, and that accountant helped me laundered the money back into the U.S. you know, through. Through different methods that we'll save for the viewers. But I remember reaching out to a fraternity brother, actually. He was sae. And I knew his family was in the export import business of candy, European chocolate. And I. I said to myself, I need to figure out a way, you know, to get. Now I'm trying to get cocaine now into Australia, because you got to remember, I owe the cartel. That's this 4 million. So I remember going to them, and I'm like, hey, do you. You guys still got that import export business? Yeah, yeah, we bring chocolate in from Europe and then we distribute it through the US I'm like, then the light bulb went off. I'm like, okay, that's a network. That's a network. I said, this is what I'm gonna do. I said, do you have expired chocolate? He goes, we got pallets of expired chocolate. And I was like, okay, this is gonna work. I said, we were at a wedding and his wife was carrying a Chanel bag. And you could just tell she was high maintenance. I made it. She was a tennis player, by the way, you know, so she. I was telling him, like, man, I know your wife's running you through the cleaner. I see her with the Chanel bag, She's drinking that Class Azul Ultra. Like, I know, I know that's not cheap, buddy. And he's like, yeah, don't remind me. I said, how would $50,000 cash every month sound? And his eyes went ding, ding. Right? Like, how do you say no to that? Right? Yeah. I said, I don't need you to do anything but give me that expired chocolate. And then he's like, no, no, no problem. So essentially, you're buying spire $50,000 pallets. Two of them. Right.

[Matt]

And he knows nothing else. Right.

[Jerry]

You can't refuse, really? Expired stuff that I can't sell. Sure. But you got to know, like, why do you want to buy?

[Owen Hansen]

Well, that, that's the thing. I said, I'm going to come in at 6pm when all your employees are gone. I said, I'm going to come to the loading dock. And I said, I don't want you there. He goes, no, no, I'll be there. If I'm getting paid 50,000, I'm going to be there. I said, are you sure? I'm like, that's on you, but I really don't want you to see this operation. Right?

[Jerry]

I'm such a. I'm like, okay, I won't. I won't be there. I'll be gone somewhere else.

[Owen Hansen]

And I remember getting the loading. A couple of my workers showed up in their. Their minivan full, full of these, these birds, right? We call them birds, the. The cocaine or bricks. And I said, you sure you still want to be here? And he's like, yeah, yeah, I'm fine. What's up, man? We pull off. So we start bringing suitcases of these birds, these, these kilos of cocaine. I'm like, last chance, buddy. You sure you want to stay here? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I gave him an eight ball. I'm like, here. Because I already knew he was. He was craving some after seeing it all. Here you go. Yeah. I was like, here, buddy. Here you go, doggy. And he, it. He finally sat down and he's just looking at this. I'm like, that palette. We gotta start taking these boxes of chocolate off. So we start picking literally boxes of chocolates off. Like they're coming in cases of 24. And he wants to help. I'm like, all right, take out 22 bars out of that one. Take out 13 out of that one. Hey. Telling my worker, hey, rufus, take out 20 out of that one. And now we have all these boxes of chocolates everywhere. I'm like, okay, now put a kilo in there. A kilo in there, Kilo in there. Package that back up. Okay. What box number is that? 13. I'm writing down 13. That one box. 28. Boom. 72. Okay. Boom. I'm riding. I'm putting kilos in the chocolate. I was like, all right, sram, wrap it. I said, that's going out tomorrow. It's going international dhl. I said, I said, get. Give me a billing slip and you're going to send that to this address. And I gave him the address and he's like, that's it. I got 50,000 for that. I said, every month. And I remember it was so well done that my people in Australia messaged me on that encrypted phone. They said, hey boss, I think that the package got picked off. We can't find any of the cocaine in this chocolate. I'm like.

[Jerry]

I have the numbers of the boxes.

[Owen Hansen]

Box 13 box. 72 box. And they're like, look, they're looking. They're like, holy Bach, boss. You fit, you figured it out, dude. In that feeling was one of the best feelings like you in the documentary. You'll see that other feeling I had. Yeah, the other way. The other way.

[Jerry]

Insane.

[Owen Hansen]

Yeah. So that when did that the second time I was like, dude, I was like super Superman.

[Jerry]

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[Owen Hansen]

Yeah.

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[Jerry]

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[Owen Hansen]

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[Jerry]

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[Owen Hansen]

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[Owen Hansen]

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[Matt]

That was when you knew, I'm going to pay these guys back. But I'm also. Now I'm about to make a show.

[Jerry]

I'm in business.

[Matt]

This is me. Like, this is my.

[Owen Hansen]

Yeah. This is my calling.

[Matt]

Yeah.

[Owen Hansen]

Yeah.

[Jerry]

So. Because I want to stay on that feeling for a second. Right. Because I think this a lot of times gets lost.

[Matt]

Sorry.

[Jerry]

With. You know, you hear about so many things, people must think like, wow, you must like, balls of steel. That's crazy. But also, at the end of it, it's volleyball, football. Realistic. Like, you're great at something. It just so happens to be, like, something that most people are afraid that. That feeling of, like, not that you're meant to do bad things, but, like, I could do anything. If I could do this, I could. I could run any business. I could. I could do anything. Because look at this. I'm solving a problem that most people, A, wouldn't have the balls to solve and B, just couldn't figure out because their emotions would get to them, their fear would get to them. You're solving a problem that I don't think many people could have solved in that scenario. And yes, of course, it's illegal and people may judge that, but at the end of the day, you're still. You must get that feeling of accomplishment.

[Owen Hansen]

Right?

[Jerry]

Like, holy, look what I just did.

[Owen Hansen]

Yeah. You know, it's. It's funny because I tell people, like, I was willing to do things most people weren't willing to do.

[Jerry]

Right.

[Owen Hansen]

I had some big balls.

[Jerry]

You never have to justify if you have big balls or not.

[Owen Hansen]

That's what I was so good at bringing that. That those drugs into Mexico, because no fraternity kid, that parents are multi millionaires is going to do that, you know, And. And me bringing them into the, you know, steroids. The athletes, those guys don't know where to go. Like. Like, where would they even look? You're not even thinking about steroids at that time, at that age. So I'm willing to do something that no one's willing to do at where.

[Matt]

We'Re at at the time at any point.

[Jerry]

Jerry.

[Matt]

Jerry and I have talked about this a bunch as we were kind of getting ready for you to come in is when you pay off the cartel. And that was, like, scary. Like, you're. Every day, you're like, I might die. Like, I'm gonna pay him off. And again, we know the feeling that you had, like, this is, now I'm invincible. I can keep doing this. Was there a Feeling just to be like, I'm done, man.

[Jerry]

Right.

[Matt]

Like, I just paid off the 4 mil. They let you go. Pretty much. You're free from the cartel. Like, you're obviously, like, maybe I'll just go back home. And just like, man, that was too close of a call. Obviously, it didn't go that way.

[Owen Hansen]

I would be lying if I said that that was the feeling, man, with that rush, man. Yeah, you can't.

[Matt]

You can't leave.

[Owen Hansen]

It was the old time. I explained it, such as someone like, let me give you a million dollars of cash every day. And then let me just say, okay, Maddie, let me take that back. And all of a sudden, you're like, wait a minute. What are you doing? Yeah, no, no, no, no. I need this. I just can't. Like, it's. Listen, I paid him back, and I'm like, okay, now it's my turn. Okay, now I'm in my property. Like, I just risked my life to get this guy paid back because some lost my money. Now it's my turn to shine. And I was like. Just determined, like, okay, now let me get back on top. And, yeah, you set this number right? I remember 50 million was the number.

[Jerry]

Like, okay, that number.

[Owen Hansen]

Yeah, get to that number and I'm out. But I'm sure my boss said the same thing, right? Like, el jefe definitely probably had a set number. I don't know what that number would be.

[Matt]

How much money were you making a day?

[Owen Hansen]

It was a million dollars a day.

[Jerry]

That's what I asked, too. It's like, I'm sure at that point, too, you're making it so fast. But it's not like you're like, hey, let me get my IRA going. No, you can't start a pet. You're just. You're.

[Owen Hansen]

You're spending as spending, hiding. Because you can make it. You're spending it. And I tell people, like, okay, you got to realize, yeah, I was making a million dollars a day. But there's so many things that people don't realize. Okay, how are you going to get a million dollars back?

[Jerry]

You have to get your own money.

[Owen Hansen]

How are you going to exchange the Australian currency? You need US Dollars to come back to America. So guess what that's cost. A fee. Yeah, every little thing costs a fee. So, like, oh, he's making a million dollars a day. But by the time you're paying a courier, after you're exchanging it and getting it here, and then you're paying someone on the US Side, you know, there's. There's there's fees. But don't get me wrong, I'm still making. Making money. Yeah, but it was. It was a million dollars a day. And it would go in spurts, right? You. You knew that. We had, you know, 10 days to windows, to work, and then, you know, eventually this thing came falling down.

[Jerry]

But what. What were you buying back? I mean, you must have been buying everything.

[Owen Hansen]

And I remember my thing was. I'm not gonna lie, Jerry. I had this thing.

[Jerry]

I love when no one says, I don't think you lied once in.

[Owen Hansen]

Had this thing, Jerry, where I had this, like, girls would like to date me, right? And I. I had this motto. It was called build a babe. And I would build a babe anything they wanted. You want tits, you want ass, you want teeth. And I used to have all these girlfriends that I would date, and they would get their Hermes bags and the Chanel bags, but I would dial them in just how they want.

[Jerry]

Buy them anything. Anything they wanted, dude, whatever.

[Owen Hansen]

And. But I would dial them in. I had all these babes, man, like, just everywhere.

[Matt]

How many at a time are you?

[Owen Hansen]

Just like, dude, like, three, four at a time in different areas, different area codes, different countries. My favorite. You know, I had an office in Peru, House in Costa Rica. An office in Costa Rica I was building in Mexico, Brazil. So I was. That. I like the international life. I like the Latinos. I'm like, matt, you know, I got like a good Latina. Yeah. They take care of their man. And they're spicy, right? Yeah. And so if I could have a Latina in Colombia, Brazil, Mexico, Peru, like that, that was my life, you know, that was fun for me. Taking a private jet to here, taking one there, and. And the cost of living over there is so much less.

[Jerry]

Right, right.

[Owen Hansen]

And when you're around these women, you. You could just give them a pair.

[Jerry]

It's like cats swiping a car.

[Owen Hansen]

You're like, cash. You're the man.

[Jerry]

You got cash money.

[Owen Hansen]

You give a pair of vans. They're happy over there.

[Matt]

You said, like, it crashed. Right. It started crashing down. At what point did you know.

[Annie Agar]

That.

[Matt]

They were on to you like the FBI and just.

[Owen Hansen]

Yeah, that's a good question. You know, I. I knew for a long time.

[Matt]

You did.

[Owen Hansen]

Oh, yeah. You've just sense it. But, you know, I. The guy that lost the money started calling me. I wanted to keep that. Yeah. For the movie. But yeah, once he's calling me and asking me questions like, hey, you ready to launder some more money? I'm like, who talks like that on the phone. Like, all right, that was weird.

[Jerry]

All right.

[Matt]

Keep going back. Like, so, like, it's crazy because you. You've explained the rush and the high and the money and the life and all that. And I guess, like, once you're in, it's hard, but, like. Like, at that point, it's. It's. They're on to you, but at that point, you're like, well, man, maybe I should stop it just never.

[Owen Hansen]

You can't stop. You already know they're there, and you're already there. So you're like, you already know you owe the cartel.

[Matt]

I'm either gonna go out with the bang or I'm gonna go out. I'm gonna go out.

[Owen Hansen]

Out. Or.

[Matt]

I don't know. Like, there's no. There's no great ending for you.

[Owen Hansen]

No, there's not a good ending. But I knew I had to pay the cartel back, so I didn't care about these ages. Trust me. I saw him, Eddie. Yeah, I saw him. I was. I remember I was at Mountain Gate, and I saw these guys in the parking lot, and. And I was watching the car. And then I remember I played my round, and the same guys were still in there, and. And then I remember I was a real estate. I was building real estate all over the South Bay, and all these job sites I had going on. There was, like, a Verizon van, and I. I'd call my private investigator. That worked for me. I'm like, dude, this. This Verizon van's been here for, like, a week. And I said, can you run the license plate? And he would run the license plat. And he says, hey, this is a private plate. Yeah. And I'm like, okay, they're on me. Yeah, but what could I do? Like. Like, people are like, oh, you should stop. What's that going to do? Like, then I still owe the cartel.

[Jerry]

Right? You couldn't stop till you paid.

[Owen Hansen]

But even.

[Matt]

But even after, you owed the cartel.

[Owen Hansen]

Yeah, but you got to remember, like, at that point, I was so deep into it, I felt like I owed them, too. You know, I tell people, like, dude, I owed those guys. They saved my life. Life. I was more. I was more valuable to them than being dead. But I was like, dude, these guys didn't kill me. Most people in cartel get killed. Yeah. So anybody that's like, oh, that's not true. Listen, I was valuable. I was a cocaine quarterback. I was a signal caller. You know, I called the shots for them. I was a logistics specialist.

[Matt]

Well, the. The. Yeah, the Name of the doc, Cocaine quarterback. When you, you touch on this, and this is well documented, Everyone knows this. The, the raid on the golf course.

[Owen Hansen]

What a terrible feeling.

[Matt]

What? Like, take us.

[Owen Hansen]

This is how you know, you, you know you're being followed and you know something's going to happen. I'll tell you why. I just left Orange county and I got in the carpool and I'm late, right? I get, I get in the carpool. I'm just by myself. You're not supposed to be in the carpool by yourself, okay? And I'm going like 120, right? Like, okay. I'm passing cops. You're like, no, but it's pulling me over. I'm like, okay, this is easy. This is easy, right? But I'm just trying to get down there and I get there early, right? And I get to the parking lot and it's a 7:10 tee time. You guys golf? Usually the golf course always has people, like from 6am Till.

[Jerry]

Yeah, especially like a club like that, a lot of members, A lot of members loaded.

[Owen Hansen]

So I'm like, okay. I get there and there's no one there, dude. I was like, dude, there's like one F350. And there was like seven gardeners in.

[Jerry]

That truck, if you know that court.

[Owen Hansen]

I was like, dude, I'm turning around. And I was like, you know what? I'm gonna go to McDonald's and, and I tell it really well in the book, but you, you'll obviously see in the doc. And I go back to McDonald's, I get an egg muffin and I get the egg white McMuffin, a coffee and an orange juice, right? But I, I think back to the night before El Jefe said, because he knew I was meeting these people. Yeah, a money, money laundering opportunity, let's just say. And he knew that I was meeting this, this group. And he's like, no one's gonna take you golf and launder money for you and this and that. He goes, you're going to be in a six by eight prison cell in the, for the next 20 years. And he said that. And I was like, dude, the light bulb went off. Like, he's right, right? And there's documentation on my discovery. When they arrested in me, they have a picture of that message from El Hefe that says, you're going to be in a 6x8 cell for the next 20 years. And so that morning when I was driving down, I was thinking about that message the whole time. So I knew that was coming, right? And I Finally get to the McDonald's. I'm eating. And I was like, okay, I'm going to finish this eggma muffin. I'm going to take my encrypted phone, my cell phone, because if they're following me, they're definitely tracking this. Yeah. I'm gonna write a huff a message. I'm coming to Mexico. Get me a safe house, and I'm gonna be done. And then I remember, I said, you know what? I just thought it's time to face the music, man. If it's meant to be, it's meant to be. And I get a call on my cell phone, and this person that's supposed to be playing golf with me says, where you at? I'm in the clubhouse waiting the tract, dude. We're still a half an hour early. Right? Like, what are you stressing on? I'm like, I'll be right there. Right. And I remember getting back to that.

[Jerry]

Parking lot, and you knew this might be the day. At this point, you're knowing.

[Owen Hansen]

I just, There was something off. Yeah. You know, and still no cars. I'm like, okay, this is weird. And this is how I knew Matt. The poor. My Porsche Panamera. And I jump out, I pop the trunk, and here comes my Caddy. And my caddy's looking at me like Mr. Hansen and shaking, terrified. I said, where is everyone, man? He goes, I don't know. Like, you should know. You're the caddy, right? And I remember, I said, that dude's just there. Here's my. He's like, takes the clubs. I remember going to my passenger seat where I have my man bag and $50,000 because I'm gambling I'm going to bet. And I grab that bag and I turn around in that Louis bag, and all of a sudden, boom, boom. Hands up. And the money flies. And my encrypted phones drop. And 15 agents come out of the bushes. There's a FBI helicopter above, and they slap those metal cuffs, Jerry. And I was like, finally, my life is over. But people are like, is it over? No, I, I, I misspoken. It's not over. My life's fine. Like, I'm alive.

[Jerry]

All right, thank you, everybody. To listening to part one of the Owen Hansen interview. We thought that this was gonna be the end. The guy goes to prison, and it really is the halfway point of the story.

[Matt]

You, I mean, all of the, the cartel and all that, it's absolutely crazy. But what he does in prison and the day to day in the business and all of that is absolutely insane, Jerry. It's unbelievable.

[Jerry]

Yeah. So stay tuned next week. We're coming back with part two of Owen Hansen. And also again, the documentary is up on Amazon prime video now. The cocaine quarterback. Check it out.

[Owen Hansen]

Yeah.

[Jerry]

And I finally settled down at the.

[Matt]

Bro, it took you about. It took you.

[Owen Hansen]

Yeah.

[Matt]

It took you about a week to be like, are you sure? Are you sure we okay, Dude, Are we okay? Like your head was on a swivel walking into the studio.

[Jerry]

Still might be.

[Matt]

Still might be.

[Jerry]

So thank you, everybody to listen again. Follow us at throwback show on all social platforms and we'll see you next week for part two of Owen Hanson.

[Owen Hansen]

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[Matt]

You look the same.

[Owen Hansen]

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[Jerry]

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[Owen Hansen]

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[Owen Hansen]

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