Kyle Van Noy talks Tom Brady memories, 28-3 Comeback, Ravens-Steelers Rivalry, free agency and defensive GOATs

Summary

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Throwbacks with Matt Leinart & Jerry Ferrara

Episode: Kyle Van Noy on Tom Brady, 28-3 Comeback, Ravens-Steelers Rivalry & More
Date: January 15, 2026
Guest: Kyle Van Noy
Hosts: Matt Leinart, Jerry Ferrara
Featured Contributor: Annie Agar

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Episode Overview

This engaging episode dives into all things football, featuring veteran NFL linebacker Kyle Van Noy as the special guest. The hosts and Kyle discuss everything from the soul of NFL rivalries and locker room culture to candid stories of Tom Brady, epic playoff moments—like the Patriots’ legendary 28-3 comeback—and fresh perspectives on the state of rivalries, free agency, and the evolution of defensive play. Alongside regular segments with Annie Agar, listeners also get relatable digressions into sports fandom, family, and some wild behind-the-scenes stories.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. NFL Playoffs & the Current Landscape

• The hosts reflect on the unpredictability and excitement of the NFL playoffs.
  • Matt notes: “This year just feels...kinda wide open. Any of these teams that are left could seriously win a Super Bowl.” (01:07)
• Jerry points out the parity and drama: “...every year is the best wild card weekend ever” (00:54) and sets the stage for Van Noy’s insider perspective as a player who just missed the postseason.

2. Introducing Kyle Van Noy: Career Highlights and Locker Room Culture

• Van Noy’s multi-team journey and experience with legendary players and coaches is discussed.
  • “He’s played with...Brady, Stafford, Lamar, Herbert, Megatron...unbelievable NFL players, and of course, a lot do, but that’s—he’s played with the, like, Hall of Fame.” — Jerry (02:24)
• The “Unk” nickname is unpacked:
  • “People were trying to call me grandpa. And so I was, you ain’t grandpa...Let’s meet in the middle at Unk.” — Kyle (18:37)

Memorable Moment

• Discussion on skiing as a big guy, helmet-and-goggles anonymity, and irony of outdated Wikipedia stats. (16:42–18:05)

3. Player Experience: Free Agency, Aging, and Playoff Fallout

• Kyle talks openly about the emotions post-playoffs and keeping in shape:
  • “Life is going on. Life being a loser when you’re out of the playoffs, you know...But hey, I am enjoying family time.” (16:20)
  • “Every year’s different depending on how you finish...The NFL has made surgeries look like going to the dentist. It’s kind of crazy how we’ve numbed surgery in the NFL.” (20:07)
• Dad workout jokes and prepping for “beach season,” with wit about “big booty season” on the stair stepper. (21:02)

4. Culture of Rivalries & Respect in Today’s NFL

• On why NFL players talk less trash than NBA players:
  • “There’s a lot of respect...you do have to go out there with a helmet on...that’s a lot of dudes that could end you if they wanted to...so it’s a respect factor.” — Kyle (22:05)
• Concern about NIL, player loyalty, and coaches’ friendliness impacting rivalries:
  • “Too many people are buddy, buddy. I think that 7-on-7 has done numbers on the next generation, and this NIL is doing a lot of damage...” (23:24)
• Kyle reaffirms he’s “cut from that old school that Matt grew up with. I’m not trying to be your friend out there.” (23:11)

5. Advice to Young Players and College/NFL Culture Shift

• “Choose your hard...It’s hard going the long route. I understand both, but I think if you choose your hard in the sense of...if you work as hard as you can to succeed at that one place, it’s going to benefit you in the long run.” — Kyle (25:24)
• On “production over potential,” the value of players like Puka Nacua, and why staying and grinding pays off. (22:00–29:03)

6. Greatest Rivalries: Ravens-Steelers vs. BYU-Utah (“Holy War”)

• “Raven-Steelers, you can just stop.” — Kyle (34:55)
• But notes that BYU-Utah impacts families, with stories of actual family rifts and deep personal stakes. (35:01)
• Vivid depiction of the emotion and pressure of the Ravens-Steelers rivalry:
  • “When you play that Steelers matchup, you know, those highlights are going to live forever. Good or bad…you’re on the bad side of things where we let 42 year old wax us twice, which just eats at me…” (38:09)

7. Inside the Patriots’ 28–3 Super Bowl Comeback

• Rare insight on how Belichick’s staff empowered defenders during the comeback:
  • “We were literally—Hightower and myself—were able to call, like, gains that we were doing in the game, and that led to what it led to. I remember Hightower sack-fumble like it was yesterday.” — Kyle (46:27)
• “It’s like backyard football in the Super Bowl.” (47:21)
• Defensive unsung hero angle: “The defense only gave up 21 points to Matt Ryan, who was playing unreal. MVP. He won MVP that year. ...They rushed the ball six times for negative six yards in the second half. That’s why I’m throwing the ball with Matt Ryan...to Julio Jones every time.” (48:09)

8. Tom Brady Stories

• On Brady’s generosity:
  • “My dumb ass, like, opened the curtain… sure enough, it’s Tom with his kids....It was that I realized, like, that’s big bro...He was just looking out for a little bro. I always love him for that.” (51:01)
• On Brady’s humility and leadership:
  • “He introduces himself right after, like, ‘Hey, I’m Tom Brady. Nice to meet you. Glad you’re here.’ And I just am like, ‘I know who your dumb ass is.’”
  • “He’s just first class all the way around…he is who you see on TV.” (53:50)
• Locker-room anecdotes: Tom’s “pimp robe” and his extra locker for signing autographs for all staff and teammates. (54:56)

9. Defensive GOATs and Playoff Takeaways

• On the greatest defensive players:
  • “I don’t think I’ve been more impressed with another defender besides (Myles Garrett). Him and Aaron Donald. On a football field…so impressive.” (62:52)
  • Also, “Julius Peppers and Marlo Williams were like, holy shit, I’m in the NFL with those dudes.” (63:02)
• On playoff upsets and home-field advantage:
  • “It really doesn’t [matter]. You’re in the playoffs, so you’re getting the best teams…determined, focused…Outside distraction of home or away doesn’t matter.” (41:55)

10. Athlete Pop Culture Crossovers & Life Off the Field

• Jerry shares wild Golden Globes celebrity and Entourage stories, including blurring lines between roles and real-life encounters (05:03–07:53).
• Relatable dad-life and nostalgia—discussing the pains and joys of missing kids’ games due to work, and teaching their kids about classic athletes (65:09–67:19).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments by Timestamp

• On NFL Playoffs’ unpredictability:
  “Any of these teams that are left could seriously win a Super Bowl.” – Matt Leinart (01:07)
• On old-school football rivalry:
  “I’m cut from that old school… I’m not trying to be your friend out there. I respect you… but I’m trying to take food off your plate.” – Kyle Van Noy (23:11)
• On advice to young players:
  “Choose your hard. It’s hard getting a bunch of money early. It’s hard going the long route… if you produce, everything’s going to go into place.” – Kyle Van Noy (25:24)
• On the Ravens-Steelers rivalry:
  “Raven-Steelers, you can just stop.” – Kyle Van Noy (34:55) “When you play that Steelers matchup, you know, those highlights are going to live forever … and we let 42 year old wax us twice, which just eats at me.” – Kyle Van Noy (38:09)
• On the 28–3 comeback in Super Bowl LI:
  “We were literally – Hightower and myself – were able to call... [the rushes] we were doing in the game, and that led to what it led to. I remember Hightower sack-fumble like it was yesterday.” – Kyle Van Noy (46:27) “It’s like backyard football in the Super Bowl.” – Kyle Van Noy (47:21)
• On Tom Brady’s humility:
  “He introduces himself right after, like, ‘Hey, I’m Tom Brady. Nice to meet you. Glad you’re here.’ And I just am like, ‘I know who your dumb ass is.’” – Kyle Van Noy (53:50)
• On defensive legends:
  “I don’t think I’ve been more impressed with another defender besides him (Myles Garrett). Him and Aaron Donald.” – Kyle Van Noy (62:52)
• On playoff upsets:
  “It really doesn’t [matter]. You’re in the playoffs... the outside distraction of home or away doesn’t matter.” – Kyle Van Noy (41:55)

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Important Segment Timestamps

• Rivalry, Playoff, and Kyle Van Noy Intro: 00:35–03:27
• Kyle joins, discusses off-season & aging: 16:16–21:10
• NFL culture, respect, NIL, and rivalry: 22:05–29:03
• Ravens-Steelers & BYU-Utah rivalry deep-dive: 34:55–38:09
• Super Bowl 28–3 comeback, defensive focus: 46:08–49:19
• Tom Brady stories: 49:19–55:57
• Defensive GOATs: 62:52–64:10
• Personal/family moments: 65:09–68:25
• Annie Agar’s Packers postmortem & Trivia: 68:29–81:43

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Regular Segments

Twisted Trivia with Annie Agar

A Packers-centric, 2010-themed showdown with Annie, Jerry, and Matt, featuring questions about the Packers’ last Super Bowl win and rapid-fire photo identification games—with Annie scoring a comeback over Matt.

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Tone & Atmosphere

• Warm, funny, and unfiltered, with an easy camaraderie among hosts and guests.
• Kyle’s candidness and wit bring a fresh perspective, mixing locker-room honesty with real-life humility.
• Mix of nostalgia, sports banter, and life wisdom, punctuated by memorable stories and good-natured ribbing.

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Takeaways for Non-Listeners

• This episode offers rare, honest insights into the mentality of NFL veterans, both right after a season and reflecting on legendary rivalries and comebacks.
• Kyle Van Noy provides mentorship-worthy advice for young athletes while also delivering behind-the-scenes gold—especially his stories of playing with Tom Brady and being part of iconic New England moments.
• Lively, funny, and loaded with both sports context and off-the-field tales, it appeals to fans of the game over generations.

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Transcript

[Kyle Van Noy]

When you play that Steelers matchup, you know those highlights are going to live forever. Good or bad this season, you're on the bad side of things where we let 42 year old wax us twice, which is just eats at me because they weren't a good football team. They were better that day, but they weren't a good football team collectively.

[Jerry Ferrara]

All right, welcome to another episode of Throwbacks Me. Maddie Linert. Don't forget to like and subscribe on the YouTube Throwback Show. Social medias at Throwback Show. Matt, that was a wild weekend of, of some NFL God.

[Matt Liner]

So NFL playoffs are the best, aren't they? Some big games.

[Jerry Ferrara]

It just really is. There's. And I know we all know it's like undefeated. But like what I love is like now everyone's like, oh, it was the best wild card weekend ever. Dude, you could say that almost every year. Rarely is it like a dud. Rarely is it a dud.

[Matt Liner]

NFL playoffs are awesome to watch, man. It's just like it means more. The teams are playing at a high level. It's the best teams in the league. We had great, we had comebacks upset and especially we've talked about it all year on the show. Like this year just feels, it's a little bit like the college game. It's like it just, it's kind of wide open with no Chiefs with, with, with no Lamar in the play. Like, it just feels wide open like any of these teams that are left could, could seriously win a Super Bowl. Like all of them left could win, could win the game. So which I think it's going to make exciting over the next couple weeks.

[Jerry Ferrara]

Well, our guest today, you know, he is a current NFL player. He was on a team that maybe you could say arguably maybe should have had that playoff spot over a team that got bounced out at home. We have Kyle Van Noy joining the show.

[Matt Liner]

12 year NFL vet, played for the lines, won a couple Super Bowls with the Pats.

[Jerry Ferrara]

The comeback. He would talk about comebacks. He was a part of the greatest.

[Matt Liner]

Comeback in the history of Super Bowls with the Ravens this past year. Just an all around great dude. Great perspective, I think especially on the current landscape of the NFL and just kind of what's going on. But a hell of a career by him, man. I mean what a career. And it's sure he's got some Brady stories. I'm sure he's got some cool to talk about so. Well, like BYU legend. Byu.

[Jerry Ferrara]

That's right. When I run into even like an actor, like an older actor it's like, God, you've worked with like, so, like, I remember Martin Landau, right? He worked like James Dean. I'm like, dude, what was it like working with James Dean right in the act, you know, so, like, Van Noy has an interesting career too, because it's like Brady Stafford, Lamar Herbert. Herbert stinted at the Chargers, you know, Megatron. Like, he's at a really. He's played with unbelievable NFL players and of course, a lot do, but that's. He's played with the, like, hall of Fame.

[Matt Liner]

He's one of the. The winningest this came out since 2016. One of the winningest players in the NFL as far as just overall wins. He's been on five teams. I think I'm getting that correct. I think there's a list of like 10 guys. Most of them are the Chiefs because it was Mahomes and Kelsey and guys that had stick with the Chiefs for that run.

[Kyle Van Noy]

He's.

[Matt Liner]

He's been a part of winning teams almost every year he's been in the NFL. And yeah, I mean, he's coming down to the end. Coming down to the end, but he's still got a lot of good football left him. I think so.

[Jerry Ferrara]

Yeah. And not that I'm nervous, but I think this is the closest I've ever talked to a active player who's like, season just ended and me maybe should have played like a guy who probably had expectations of going on into the playoffs.

[Matt Liner]

And you're in Baltimore, you have expectations to be in the playoffs every year. Yeah, yeah.

[Jerry Ferrara]

So that's gonna be great. And then after. After that, obviously we're doing our twisted trivia with Annie Agar. And my.

[Matt Liner]

My gosh, my heart breaks for her, man.

[Kyle Van Noy]

She.

[Jerry Ferrara]

We're just gonna let her eulogize her packers, like, go ahead, take the floor.

[Kyle Van Noy]

Give.

[Jerry Ferrara]

Do the funeral. We gotta. We'll be real gentle, though, with Annie because we don't know what her emotional state's gonna be after that Crazy, crazy Bears comeback win. Question, though, for you before we move on to something else. Did you watch the Golden Globes or any of it? Because the Golden Globes got a little lucky this Sunday. It was on during the Pats Chargers game, which was arguably the worst of the entertainment value of all the playoff games. Did you see any Golden Globes?

[Matt Liner]

I didn't watch one second of Golden Gloves, but I saw. I saw our boy Timothy Chalamet get. Get some awards via social, via content that I consumed from it and some of the jokes from Nikki Glazer. But I Did not actually watch the show.

[Jerry Ferrara]

Yeah, I watched the opening monologue back because.

[Matt Liner]

Was it good?

[Jerry Ferrara]

Usually something. She killed it. She's great. I. I didn't really watch the awards show. I saw some stuff on social media, and, you know, I always have said publicly, like, I'm fortunate enough. Entourage was nominated for a bunch of things, and we lost six straight. Six years in a row.

[Matt Liner]

Yeah.

[Annie Agar]

And.

[Matt Liner]

And.

[Jerry Ferrara]

And, you know, got bounced. I've told a few stories here, and I got me thinking, all right, how can I explain the Golden Globes in a few sentences? The first thing that stands out, Matt, and I'm. I'm. I will tell you who this person is off the air. I'm not gonna say on the. I'm sorry. I don't feel at liberty to say, because I think this person now is, like, married with children. And now I'm like, I'm sure her husband wouldn't love waking up to hearing this. Can I guess or seeing it? You could guess. I'm not going to tell you. Yes. But one of the weirdest things that happened to me at the Golden Globes every now and then, because we had such a big table, because we had such a large cast, and sometimes they would put, like, a presenter or someone who maybe was in and out without a guest right at our table for a few. So this actress, known actress, sat at our table one year, kind of knew who we were. Like, oh, yeah, I've seen a few episodes. I like the show. We would sit next to each other, and we talked for a little bit, and then she said to me, and I don't know how I was supposed to react, and my reaction was terrible. She said, oh, yeah, that's right.

[Annie Agar]

You.

[Jerry Ferrara]

You're the turtle.

[Kyle Van Noy]

Right.

[Jerry Ferrara]

You know, I would totally sleep with your character is what she told me. And I want to say, like, where I went in my head was like. I was going to say, should I run home and get my Yankee hat? Like, what do you want to do here? Is this. Is this. Are we playing dress up? I didn't. I just kind of melted.

[Matt Liner]

Yeah, you just went. You were totally frozen.

[Jerry Ferrara]

But she. I don't know how you would handle that situation. Say, I would sleep with you, Jerry Ferrara. She said, I would totally sleep with your character.

[Matt Liner]

And you're like. You're like, listen, honey, I can get into character real quick.

[Jerry Ferrara]

I stopped myself from saying, should I go home and get my Yankee hat? Because I don't know if I would have got slapped. You could. You could guess off the air. I'll give you the errors is like 0708. It's another form of trivia, man. That. And then the other thing that stands out before we move on is our. My boys now. Your boys. Kevin Connolly, Kevin Dillon.

[Kyle Van Noy]

Right.

[Jerry Ferrara]

Long ago, they started a war when they did interviews, like live interviews. They started just going at each other, throwing digs, and this then spilled out to the red carpet of the freaking Golden Globes. Now we're doing the press line and. And every fox, cnn, every outlet that brings us over, they're going it to the point. Like, Kevin Dillon. They were like, so, Kevin, how would you do this morning to get ready for shows? Like, I don't know. All I know is Connolly probably rolled in at six in the morning drunk. They had to put so much makeup on this guy. And then Conley, go back to the point where we had to huddle up on the side, be like guys on the red carpet. Truce, guys. This is gonna.

[Matt Liner]

Is there. There's gotta be. There's got to be clips of this right?

[Jerry Ferrara]

All over the place, all over Google. Kevin. We got to post Golden Glo. They just went at it. I would sneak out of the frame like, if I was in the frame like this, you'd see me.

[Matt Liner]

I don't want any part of it.

[Jerry Ferrara]

I would just edge out. And I will always say Golden Globes was and still is the best of those to attend. That was a little strange that, like, hey, we're going to give out this award for best actor. His two people from the show, the studio, and then the winner is the guy from the studio. Like they are no longer even trying to keep it. Like, who's gonna win? But all in all, thought the Golden Globes were. Were decent, good. But Charge, I'm gonna say Chargers. Pat's still better. Charger.

[Matt Liner]

That was a terrible game.

[Jerry Ferrara]

That was a bad one.

[Matt Liner]

That was just a slug fest.

[Jerry Ferrara]

I want to know something before we do our Wendy's fresh take of the week. Who are you hanging out with that I don't know about? Because you are letting it fly, my boy. You are letting takes fly. I don't know if we could pull it up on the show, but I am going to read a tweet from Matt Liner and then I guess I'm going to let you cook. Matt Liner tweeted January 11, 10:30 in the morning.

[Matt Liner]

If Matt staff in the morning, did.

[Jerry Ferrara]

I wow, another Super Bowl. I think it's time to start putting him in that top five QB alltime conversation. And then once again, your phone probably blew Up.

[Matt Liner]

Well, my phone didn't blow up, but my, my Twitter account blew up.

[Jerry Ferrara]

Twitter account.

[Matt Liner]

They were like, I would have. My, my reasoning was said I probably had like three or four glasses of wine, but 10:30 in the morning, I did not.

[Jerry Ferrara]

No Bloody Marys, maybe.

[Matt Liner]

You know what, listen, man, I, I was, I, I'm. You try and look at these and I, I don't. I'm not backtracking. I could have deleted the tweet and all that stuff. I'm not deleting it. I was responding with people. People gave opinions. I said, okay, is he top 10 then, question mark. And again, I slated it. If he wins the super bowl, what if he wins the regular season mvp, which probably is going to. He wins the Super Bowl. He wins a Super bowl mvp. He would have two rings. He would have that mvp. And people are making say like, oh, he's first, only first team all pro once. That doesn't matter to me as much because some of the teams he was on, he carried a franchise for a decade and, and still has more fourth quarter comebacks than anybody in the history of the game. Or he's top three or four. What, whatever it is, he's right up there. And that was with the Detroit Lions as well. Look, it's not his fault. He was buried for a horrible franchise for a long time. He goes to the Rams, he had better players around him. He's won. I'm just making the argument based on longevity statistics. He has the hardware, he'll have an mvp that he should be considered in some of the same breasts as, as. I'm going to read some names here, right? Cause this is my top, these are my top four. Brady one. I'm gonna listen, I'm gonna go Mahomes two, I think. Or I'm gonna go Montana two, Mahomes three. Now that's easily switchable by the end. Mahomes is great. And I'm gonna go Peyton Manning 4. And then, and then I probably, I probably would throw Elway in there at 5. He's got multiple Super Bowls like, like his resume is ridiculous as well. But like then you get into this 6 through 10 and 15 and it's just, it's, it's a lot of it's guys like Favre. Marino never won a Super bowl, but he's an all time great. Terry Bradshaw, obviously I love tbs, multiple Super Bowls, but a lot of people don't, don't even put him in the top 10. Your boy Eli Manning, multiple Super Bowls wasn't great in the regular season. But was. Was Big Ben multiple Super Bowls. Aaron Rodgers might be the greatest thrower we've ever seen in the history of the game, won a Super Bowl. So I. I just think it's time to get Matthew Stafford some flowers for the career of playing. Yeah, maybe almost 18, 19 years and has the resume to back it up. And look, if he plays two or three more years and he wins a couple more Super Bowls, like, then. Then he's. Then he's in that top five range. So I. Look, I'm not backtracking by any means. I. I can understand when you start to look at the list, but, like, he deserves that. But by the way, he also played in an era where he was over. He's on a shitty team for 10 years, and he was overshadowed by those guys that I mentioned, which necessarily isn't his fault. So.

[Jerry Ferrara]

So where I always go with this stuff, too, is like, I. It's hard for me to say Terry Bradshaw's like the fifth or six. It's hard if I haven't seen the guy play. I get in this with the NBA stuff. Of course I acknowledge Wilt Chamberlain and Bill Russell as the lead, but I. I can only go by what I've seen. So I don't think you're that far off if. If that's how I interpreted the tweet. Because then, like, what, you want to start going back to, like, Brian, like, greasy, played like, in three Super Bowls. One, two in three years. Like, how far back are we trying to.

[Matt Liner]

I think if you put him next to all of those guys I mentioned, the Roethlisbergers and all like, that. That kind of tier, like, up the.

[Jerry Ferrara]

Last, like, 30, 20 years, like, in.

[Matt Liner]

That tier, then he's comparable, if not better. Based on. I. I'm saying based on if he wins another Super Bowl. I'm not saying if he doesn't. If he does, which would give him more than Breeze, give him more than Rogers, you know, all of those guys.

[Kyle Van Noy]

So.

[Jerry Ferrara]

And I understand, like, oh, he's hot.

[Matt Liner]

People are hot.

[Jerry Ferrara]

But I don't think it's like a. A anomaly that, like, he's had great receivers. I think that has a lot to do with him. Like, yeah, PUK is a beast. Is Puka as much of a beast without Stafford? We may see flashes of it, but not like this. So, yeah, I go like Brady, Montana, Mahomes, Manning, and then you could really start going, yeah, it's Elway, it's Favre, Brie. But I do think, to your point, if Stafford happens to win a Super bowl this year. And then if he gets even if he doesn't win a Super bowl, even if statistically like Rogers we've seen, like statistically he's fallen off a cliff. He's 42 years old. If he's like 41, Matt Stafford and still throwing for 4,000 yards, you could bump.

[Matt Liner]

I think he's 30, way up. He's 38 or something like that. He's the second oldest.

[Kyle Van Noy]

Yeah.

[Jerry Ferrara]

I mean he does do it.

[Matt Liner]

And look, I don't know. He might be done after this year. So like, I don't know. But if he gets a couple more years and with the Rams and as good as they are, McVeigh, like I'm just. And he. And by the way, statistically he's top five, six in literally everything. You know, like, I mean it's, he's already up there.

[Jerry Ferrara]

So in my quarterback research, I, I, you have. I took a good hard look at Marino. Right.

[Matt Liner]

And.

[Jerry Ferrara]

But here's a. It's Trivia questions like 1984 Super Bowl, Joe Montana's first win was verse Dan Marino. I don't even know why. I don't.

[Matt Liner]

Laces out.

[Jerry Ferrara]

I didn't remember that. It was like, could you imagine Montana's first. Marino threw for 5,000 yards.

[Matt Liner]

Marino was a beast.

[Jerry Ferrara]

1984, he threw for 5,000 yards. I'm trying to look at crazy in that year.

[Matt Liner]

Marino. No.

[Jerry Ferrara]

And they got rocked.

[Matt Liner]

One NFL mvp. He's all pro three times, nine Pro Bowls. I mean he was, he was great. I mean. But I don't know.

[Jerry Ferrara]

Just did. Not enough big time playoff looks, so.

[Matt Liner]

And again. Yeah.

[Jerry Ferrara]

Matt, I don't know if you're hanging out with Nick Wright or Skip Bayless, but I, I was even calling me.

[Matt Liner]

Maddie Bayless, which is actually. Which. It's got a good ring to it.

[Jerry Ferrara]

It's a good. It's like an alter ego. I don't believe you're like that at all. But it's an alter.

[Matt Liner]

Well, I threw out the Caleb Williams greatest throw of all time. And people came at me for that too. I was like.

[Jerry Ferrara]

And then we had the camera, the.

[Matt Liner]

Person that surprised me and also coming at me if that was you. But we won't even get into that. My God.

[Jerry Ferrara]

I just got into.

[Matt Liner]

It was a good throw. It wasn't a great throw. I'm like, you gotta be kidding me, bro.

[Jerry Ferrara]

It's an amazing throw. And in that situation, which makes it.

[Matt Liner]

One of the greatest throws we've seen. That's it.

[Jerry Ferrara]

I'll give it. I'll give it. It's true. All right, we're gonna get to Kyle Van Noy, but don't forget to join team Tendies and enjoy a lineup like never before. Crispy, juicy Tendies now at Wendy's. Shout out. For that segment, let's bring on Kyle Van Noy, one of the coolest names.

[Matt Liner]

All right, Our guest today hails from Reno, Nevada where he led McQueen High School to a state title. He's a BYU Cougar legend, a second round pick by the Lions, a two time Super bowl champion with the Patriots, A Pro Bowler with The Ravens, a 12 year veteran heading into his 13th season, officially with unk status, a teammate so great he would literally hand a pick six to one of his guys. I'm not sure why he did that. Host of the Kyle Van Noy show, co co host of Vibing with the Van Noyes with his wife Marissa. Ladies and gentlemen, Kyle Van Noy. Welcome.

[Kyle Van Noy]

Let's go, let's go.

[Matt Liner]

Dude, what's going on? What's going on?

[Kyle Van Noy]

Having me. I, I mean life is going on. Life being a loser when you're out of the playoffs, you know, it's, it's not fun when you lose. But hey, I am enjoying family time. I got to go to Deer Valley and ski for the first time in 20 years. So it was spectacular. Just enjoying family life in the off season.

[Matt Liner]

What, what, what are you, what are you like on the mountain? Skiing down the mountain? What I want to know.

[Jerry Ferrara]

He's a beast. Probably right?

[Kyle Van Noy]

Get out of my big. I'm way too big to be out there, so get on me too.

[Jerry Ferrara]

I can only imagine, like my, I'm not a. I did a whole rant on skiing. I could just imagine being on the mountain trying to survive and I was like, oh shit. Who is that? Kyle Van Noy.

[Matt Liner]

He's going like 80 miles an hour.

[Jerry Ferrara]

Get out of the way.

[Kyle Van Noy]

I appreciate you that you would think of me during that time even though I had helmet and goggles on. So nobody's going to recognize me. But I'm sure people could recognize you and Matt going down a hill, that's for sure.

[Matt Liner]

Well, Jerry's only about 5, 7, like 200. What do you, what do you weigh?

[Jerry Ferrara]

80?

[Matt Liner]

185.

[Jerry Ferrara]

I'm 160 pounds, bro.

[Kyle Van Noy]

I thought he's 5 4. Wikipedia says.

[Matt Liner]

Wikipedia doesn't know. Thank God I didn't call you.

[Jerry Ferrara]

Yeah, and it also said that, Kyle, you are the Mormon monster.

[Kyle Van Noy]

Which by the way, never a nickname for you.

[Jerry Ferrara]

Ever. Ever.

[Matt Liner]

By the way, it's not a terrible nickname. When I said that to you were like, no, no, no, no. I was like, that's not a terrible nickname name.

[Kyle Van Noy]

No. What's your. Is your imbd? Does that put your height as well?

[Jerry Ferrara]

That's on there too. Yeah. Has me at like 5 4. If you go, all I'll tell people on the height is go look at the movie. Think like a man. That I did with the Kevin Hart. Kevin's like five three.

[Kyle Van Noy]

Yeah.

[Jerry Ferrara]

I would pose if we were playing hoops, you would just give me the ball in the post on Kevin all day and I would back him down and jump hook him. So you could tell just by that. But I do feel like you. Are you self proclaimed? Because you said it like, I think in your intro, right? Unc University. Are you self proclaimed? Because I remember when I became like on a TV set, I'm unknown. Like, it's just so clear. I'm telling stories to these kids. Did some young dude give you the tell you like, hey, Unk, or did you just self proclaim yourself as Unk status?

[Kyle Van Noy]

Well, yes and no. Right? Uh, for a little bit, people were trying to call me grandpa. And so I was, you ain't grandma. You.

[Matt Liner]

You shit on that.

[Kyle Van Noy]

Let's not be disrespectful there. Like, let's meet in the middle. So it was kind of a mutual respect thing. All right. You know, you're Unk. We won't call you grandpa, we'll call you Unk. And so, yes, it's a little bit of self, but at the same time, when your teammate and your locker mate, the in 2024 was 21 years old and Nate Wiggins, it's kind of like, yeah, I am kind of grandpa to him. I understand that. But then I was like, hey, there's other players on the team. Let's meet in the middle at Unk. And so that's kind of how it came about.

[Matt Liner]

Dude. I remember when I. When I got drafted by Arizona and Kurt Warner was there and Kurt Warner was, Gosh, he was. I was 22, he was 37 when I was a rookie or 36. And we would listen to the, you know, hip hop. You know how the locker room music, it changes depending on if the lineman's day or the weight room whatever. No, you can mix it up. But he was just such a fish out of water. He's like, what are we listening to?

[Jerry Ferrara]

So loud.

[Matt Liner]

Oh, it's so now being on that other side of it, dude. So you mentioned. You mentioned the season. Obviously. Tough year for you guys. We're not going to talk about the year, but I want to ask you how you're feeling. You know, 12 years in, I think you're a free agent, right? Free agent. Going into your 13th year, you're still going to play, and you're still playing at a really high level.

[Jerry Ferrara]

High level.

[Matt Liner]

How do you feel physically? Like. What is. What does this offseason look like compared to some of the others you've had?

[Kyle Van Noy]

Yeah, that's a good one. I think every year is different depending on how you finish the year. Some seasons you need surgery, some seasons you don't. I think it's kind of crazy. The NFL has made surgeries look like going to the dentist. Hey, this guy's just going for a checkup. He's getting a scope, you know, no big deal. Oh, this guy got his knee scoped. No big deal. You know, it's kind of crazy how we've kind of numbed surgery in the NFL. It's like going to the dentist. But, you know, every year is different for me. I feel really good during the season. I had a couple injuries, and so I'm actually already working out as it stands. I'm doing the dad workouts, you know, getting the abs right. Getting on a stair stepper for all those moms out there. On a stair stepper. I'm representing with you out there. It's big booty season. You know, we gotta.

[Matt Liner]

It's almost. It's almost beach season, dude. Already?

[Kyle Van Noy]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Matt, you're. You're a beach guy, so you would know. You would know the beach.

[Matt Liner]

You ain't catching me on the sand, man. I don't go in the ocean either, because I'm afraid of sharks, but it's all good.

[Kyle Van Noy]

Yeah. So every. Every year is different when it comes to workouts. Sorry, Jerry. Go ahead.

[Jerry Ferrara]

No, no, no. I was gonna ask you when the season ends in the way you don't want it, which is you're not playing in the post, but do you. Do you watch? Or are you one of those guys that's like, you know what? I always priority. But how. How much tabs are you keeping on the NFL playoffs? Because I know you. You know, you have your show. You're kind of, like, speaking on. It's. It's great. I. I love seeing NFL current players do shows a little more than NBA players. I feel like there's like this level of, you speak the truth. Like, NBA dudes seem like they're just Talking a bunch of you guys like, you're gonna go put. You can't talk too much. You're gonna put on a helmet and like, co. Go to war. You gotta be not careful what you say. So, like, how much are you keeping an eye on the. On the postseason right now?

[Kyle Van Noy]

Yeah, that's a good one. I agree with you. When it comes to basketball players, they talk a little bit more trash. I think it's when you have that type of money, you start feeling a little entitled. Draymond can say whatever. He's like, I don't give a damn. Find me. You know you're going to take two grand away from me. He's like, that's mine. That's chump change. You know, it's pretty funny. I like his show, actually, just because it's. It's kind of random and crazy, but I think with the NFL, it's. There's a lot of respect when it comes down to it, because at the end of the day, you do have to go out there with a helmet on. You do have to play with 10 other guys besides yourself out there. You know, it's a 11 on 11. That's a lot of dudes, and that's a lot of dudes that could end you if they wanted to, if they get the opportunity. So you have to. It's a respect factor. I think it's. It's. I think it's getting backed a little bit, turning to old school a little bit, where you're seeing more of the rivalries. Like, I'm. I'm. For one, I don't like handshaking, talking during games to people. Like, I'm. I'm cut from that old school that Matt grew up with. Like, I'm not trying to be your friend out there. I respect you. I have the utmost respect. I know that when you step on the field, it's old school football. I'm trying to take food off your plate. I'm trying to end you and end your season. I'm trying to get you and your coaches fired, and you're trying to do the same thing. And I think, you know, it's starting to get back to that a little bit, which I like. I always think that too many people are buddy, buddy. I think that 7 on 7 has done ways and numbers on the next generation in this nil is doing a lot of damage to that, I think, football wise. And I also think coaches are involved in this, too, because they're a buddy buddy with all the other coaches and their friends. And they talk before the game and after the game. So I think that has to go into it as well. Sorry, I got off off topic.

[Jerry Ferrara]

No, this is great. This is not even.

[Matt Liner]

I want to follow up with that because I was going to ask you, because we saw each other at the BYU Utah game, and I know you still follow college football and this whole new world of Nil and Portal and all that, and I think it. I think, you know, and I have an older son is going to college, so I'm living it. Like this generation is just very different than what we grew up in and what we played in. 1050, you've been playing for a long time in the league. I. I guess you kind of answer the question. I'm just saying, do you, like. What advice do you give these young kids coming up? Because, dude, you've played 12 years, you've been on super bowl teams, you played with Brady, you play with some of the best players to ever do it, and you've seen a lot. But then you have this generation of kids coming in that there's almost like. You're not saying soft, that. I would never say football is soft, but, like, it's. It's. You know what I mean? It's just like this different. It's just different, man. Like, it's just different. Like, what. What is. What is some of the advice that you've probably given to some of these guys when they come in.

[Kyle Van Noy]

It's so different, Matt, than when someone gets hit in the head. People are looking for a flag. Like, call the flag.

[Matt Liner]

I know.

[Kyle Van Noy]

I think it's crazy. I also think it's crazy that college kids get kicked out of games for that targeting. I think it's.

[Matt Liner]

That's a terrible rule.

[Kyle Van Noy]

Yeah, that rule needs to go. Just like a lot of things in the NCAA that needs to go. But that's for another day. Advice that I give young kids to choose your hard. It's hard getting a bunch of money early. It's hard going the long route. I understand both, but I think if you choose your hard in the sense of you're earning everything that you keep, meaning that if you stay in one place, if you work as hard as you can to succeed at that one place, it's going to benefit you in the long run. Too many players and too many people run away from the smoke or run away for some money. Not all money is good money. You. You don't know. The grass might not be greener on the other side. You know, you're. You're hard where you're at, and you got to keep and continue to grind that. I mean, the respect that I have for what Indiana is doing and Kurt Signetti and, you know, I've been watching a lot on him because, you know, maybe one day I'll want to coach. But he. He says something that resonates with me because he said how I feel about analytics right now, especially being an older player in the NFL, is he goes production over potential. Yep. And I think too many young kids are worried about getting paid versus actually producing. Like, if you produce, everything's going to. Everything's going to go into place. You're going to get drafted. Doesn't matter. They'll find you. Doesn't matter on any of those things. You will get found. That's just the way it goes in the NFL. They find whether you could be like Puka Nukua and they find you in the fifth round and you better be singing praises because you went to Sean McVeigh in the perfect system. It's a blessing that he went into the fifth round and fell to Sean McVeigh. As soon as I knew he got drafted there, I was like, oh, the dude's going to be a superstar. Because I saw him in college, I saw how hard he worked, he battled injuries. I know he transferred, but his transfer was to be closer to his mom, you know, for different reasons. So I respect that if, you know, you know, some people do transfer for different reasons, but if you really look at the root and what they're trying to do, Puka picked his heart. His hard was. His hard was grinding to make it to the league and be in the league as long as possible, to perform in a way to represent his dad. And so for me, like, I want that dude on my team because I know what he's cut from, I know what he's gone through. And so I want players like that. And I think Coach Signetti, that's why Indiana is having so much success, because he's finding those type of players. He's not going for the players that want money. Obviously, he's going to pay players. That's just part of what you got to do. But he's finding players that want to grow within his system. Are.

[Matt Liner]

Are you. Great answer. Are you a little college ball here? Because I don't. We don't want to talk a lot of college, but are you as surprised as everyone of the success of how Indiana has been able? And you said it, and I. And I love the mantra and Signetti's a dog. And he's tough and he's, he's got this winning culture, but still, like, you look like you look at these rosters, like, how is he doing? Are you surprised at all? Just like kind of stepping away and be like, how the hell is it because we cover them, you know, a.

[Kyle Van Noy]

Couple times I'm not.

[Matt Liner]

You know what I mean?

[Kyle Van Noy]

I'm not, I'm not. Because when you pick underdogs, when you pick dudes, that it means more. You're picking football players. That's the difference between, that's how I feel right now. You give me chills asking and talking about this because it's a problem in the NFL is the football player is dying. Dudes that have freak athlete, unreal, crazy good basketball, same way, but they don't know the fundamentals, they don't know the techniques, they don't know mentally, scheme wise, they're five steps ahead of you. Because the coach is doing such a good job of installing his system and installing his scheme and having football players execute that scheme at a high level. It doesn't take superstar athletes to be able to do that. It takes pit bull dog love, football players putting around a great scheme and executing it. I think that's what you see in the NFL right now when it comes to X's and O's. You know, that's. It is, it's a whole different conversation. But it doesn't surprise me that Indiana is doing what they're doing because they have the right, he's found the right formula of finding football players attached with an elite scheme and they're just executing at a high level and not making mistakes.

[Matt Liner]

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[Jerry Ferrara]

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[Matt Liner]

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[Jerry Ferrara]

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[Kyle Van Noy]

Ready?

[Matt Liner]

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[Jerry Ferrara]

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[Matt Liner]

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[Matt Liner]

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[Jerry Ferrara]

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[Annie Agar]

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[Kyle Van Noy]

Yeah.

[Jerry Ferrara]

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[Matt Liner]

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[Annie Agar]

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[Jerry Ferrara]

Yeah, you know, that's so interesting because, like, when we were talking about the rivalries and you even mentioned you're seeing it with coaches who are maybe a little too buddy, Buddy. Like, I don't know how much you paid attention to, like, the, the Ben Johnson, Matt LaFleur stuff.

[Kyle Van Noy]

Yeah, yeah. They were everything. Well, I'm saying, like, I'm in it.

[Jerry Ferrara]

Like, they were, they were like, yeah.

[Kyle Van Noy]

They don't like the media.

[Jerry Ferrara]

They don't like each other.

[Matt Liner]

I love that, too.

[Jerry Ferrara]

Yeah. And I, I, I, I do feel like at some point like, I'm not saying it's the reason why the packers lost, but, like, there was definitely a little Ben Johnson alpha dog mentality in the media. How much does that bleed into the locker room? Like, how much are you paying attention to that?

[Kyle Van Noy]

Yeah, yeah. You are who you're. You take on that role. You take on that. Just kind of a little bit of ego, a little bit of fu. I mean, look at Oregon, how they respond to Dan Lanning. Dan Lanning, when he was talking about click so, you know, clicks over football or whatever his, you know, mantra was when he played Colorado. It's that Same type of energy. And Ben Johnson is taking, you know, that disrespectful energy that his quarterback received after his rookie season. You know, he's probably like, damn, keep paying your nails. Who gives a damn? Like, right? We're, we're going to shove it up team gases. Like that's how he feels. And we're going to out scheme them, we're going to outsmart them and we're going to play at a high level. And you know, Matt LaFleur, you know, he, he's a good coach as well. And so he's got an ego too. Like Ben Jonathan thinks he's going to come in after being at, you know, Detroit having success, thinking he's just going to be this great head coach, blah, blah, blah. Like, you can tell they respect each other but don't like each other. I just, I love that. I think more football, you know, that's what football is like. You can be respectful. You don't have to like everybody, it's all good. Like play football.

[Matt Liner]

You, you've. I mean, I think rivalries are what makes football, especially in college, makes college great. But there are some great rivalries in the NFL. And Jerry, Jerry and I were talking about this this week and he had brought this up and I'm going to ask. You've played Raven Steelers, best rivalry.

[Kyle Van Noy]

You can just stop.

[Matt Liner]

Okay, well, hold on. Or byu, Utah, bigger rivalry.

[Kyle Van Noy]

Yeah, I mean.

[Matt Liner]

I real quick, I told Jerry, I said I. We had the game this year, we saw you and I was like, these kids absolutely freaking hate each other, dude. Yes, they byu, they hate each. They called it the Holy War forever. I think they changed the name now. But like there's a hatred there now. I know NFL, there's a hatred too, but which one is the bigger rivalry?

[Kyle Van Noy]

Oh my gosh. One affects families. So I gotta go with Utah, byu. Like there's families involved where, like they won't talk to you, you know, if you lose the game or if you win the game. Like I've heard crazy stories where, you know, I want to think, I want to say, like people have got divorced over. I probably should and I wouldn't be surprised. Um, it's. Oh, man, I, I still gotta go. Like, like the peak though is Raven Steelers. Like every time you see those highlights, you think of just nasty football games in the cold. You know, Big Ben versus Flacco, Ray Lewis, Suggs, you know, just absolutely dogs in the trenches. Hello to nada. You know, the Kimwaktu brothers. Like, it's just so Much grit. Two cities that are just blue collar cities that despise each other, that would probably burn each other's houses down. That's how they feel about that rivalry. But again, there's a respect factor. And I do think it's from the coaches that they do it respectfully. They don't like each other, we don't like them, they don't like us, but they respect each other. But at the end of the day, they don't like each other. And you know, you heard Mr. Bouchardi during the press conference that losing to the Steelers was a big part of him, you know, going a different direction. I know I don't necessarily want to get into that, but that's the level and magnitude of that rivalry, that the owners are watching it closely. Who's. Who's winning that matchup.

[Matt Liner]

Do you feel when you put on that, and I'm sure you do because you're a football player, and I felt this kind of putting on different uniforms you mentioned. I mean, I played against that defense in 06 because you were you were you. Yeah. Oh, six.

[Kyle Van Noy]

Oh, yeah.

[Matt Liner]

Yikes. Them and the Steelers was like.

[Kyle Van Noy]

I.

[Matt Liner]

Just remember, I remember playing at Baltimore my second year and it was, it was those guys, it was Suggs, it was Reed, it was Ray Lewis. It was terrified. God, who are there other. Chris McAllister, I think might have been on the outside anyway. They had, they had all these guys. And do you feel that? Yeah. Do you feel, hello, dinada, who I played against in college, who's. Who's was an absolute stud. Do you feel that presence when you put on that uniform for the Baltimore Ravens every Sunday? Like, do you feel like, you know, because you're an old school player, which I love, you know, like, hey, I'm representing fricking some of the best ever do it. Yeah.

[Kyle Van Noy]

What comes to mind is when you play that Steelers matchup, you know, those highlights are going to live forever. Good or bad this season, you're on the bad side of things where we let 42 year old wax us twice, which is. This eats at me because they weren't a good football team. They were better that day. Yeah. But they weren't a good football team collectively. And we weren't a good football team either. So, like, it just sucks to not perform at the level that we were capable of, especially in those big games. I think the first game there was a couple calls that didn't go our way. I hate saying that, but they were huge plays in the game. There was a turnover that they called Aaron Rodgers down, they call it 15 yard penalty that they ended up scoring on, which then, you know, on Monday, hey, the NFL says that wasn't a penalty. So, you know, that was brutal. And then you have the Isaiah likely, you know, catch knocking out of the ball for a touchdown. So those are huge, huge momentum. That's three in one game. And that normally doesn't happen. Usually there's one or two. Okay, we'll live by that. But there's three only on one side of the football, which was rough. And then the second game where we lost, you know, we battled the first half and then in the second half they just outplayed us. And it was Aaron Rodgers basically saying F you to Arthur Smith. I'm calling my own offense. And ended up working. And losing Kyle Hamilton was detrimental for us, but yeah, they ended up winning. So they were the better team and you know, they ended up going to the playoffs and we saw what happened in the playoff game and you know, their coach ended up saying no thanks anymore because of what he has had to deal with. So it's a, it's a lot of pressure. When you're representing, when you're playing for organizations like the Steelers or the Ravens, your expectations are so, so high. So when you lose those games, it, it sucks because, you know, those last forever, Jerry.

[Matt Liner]

And. Go ahead, Jerry. But I just know that it is going to be an interesting. Just Mike Tomlin out, who's been incredible, and obviously Harbaugh, who's incredible, kind of both moving on and seeing where both those organizations go from here, I think is going to be really. Yeah, go ahead, Jerry.

[Jerry Ferrara]

Yeah, well, I was going to say, you know, I've been watching football religiously since 1990.

[Kyle Van Noy]

Right.

[Jerry Ferrara]

I. Yeah, I remember.

[Kyle Van Noy]

Giants fan.

[Jerry Ferrara]

I know you're big Giants fan. Like the greatest day in my life was when the Giants beat the NERS to go to the Super Bowl. Leonard Marshall hit Joe Montana in the back, knocked him out of the game. Matt Barr, game winning field goal. And then that night I went to go see Home Alone in theaters. That's how old I am. But to this day, the only Super Bowl I've ever watched that I said before kickoff, this one's over. Was Ray Lewis coming out of the tunnel in 2000 versus my giants doing his. I'm like, it's, it's over. Pack it up. You could pack it up, tell the halftime show you're gonna have to do four hours because this one is over. It's a wrap. And that's when I got really terrified. I've been terrified of the Ravens ever since that day. That was a sidebar. My question. And then I want to get into some Pat stuff for sure too. I, I thought it was pretty eye openening that five of seven road teams won. Almost six. If like the packers, like that was a very winnable game.

[Kyle Van Noy]

Yeah.

[Jerry Ferrara]

And home field is, is, is so important, I think in overrated situations. But that's. I was going to say. And like when you're going into the playoffs.

[Kyle Van Noy]

Doesn't matter.

[Jerry Ferrara]

It doesn't matter to you. Right. It could be home, away. It doesn't matter.

[Kyle Van Noy]

Yeah.

[Matt Liner]

Why do, why do you.

[Kyle Van Noy]

Really doesn't. Because you're in the playoffs, so you're getting the best teams of that year that are focused, that are determined, that have been through a lot to even get to the playoffs. So the outside distraction of a home or away game doesn't matter. At the end of the day, you have to say set, hike, and play football. And there's so many factors that go into that. I mean, you look at the Texans, they should have blew out the Steelers right away, but CJ Stroud was playing like a, a rookie in the game at the beginning it was like hot.

[Jerry Ferrara]

Potato with the ball.

[Kyle Van Noy]

Exactly. Like Oprah. You get the fumble, you get. Everyone gets the ball.

[Matt Liner]

At my own, which is crazy.

[Kyle Van Noy]

Yeah. But just that being said, but a defense elite as theirs travels very well and they took over the show in that game. You look at the Jacksonville Jaguars playing Josh Allen. Josh Allen's, you know, going to will his set self to victory, whether he's home or away. I think eventually it'll catch up at some point just because of the injuries they have. Same thing with the Niners. Yes, they beat the Eagles. We saw the flaws with the Eagles, but I think the injuries will catch up. Similar to the Detroit Lions. You get to a point where you play a healthy, motivated team in the AFC Championship round or the super bowl like the Chiefs did against the Eagles, it catches up. I don't care what anyone says. I doubt teams that are banged up as bad as some of the teams are will win because usually it's the healthiest teams at the end of the year that are playing high level football. What's another game that I enjoyed thoroughly this weekend for Wild card? I really enjoyed that Eagles game because, yeah, that was wild. The Eagles was back and forth with the Niners. Purdy, you know, was uneven. He threw a couple picks to Mitchell. But it's the inspiring part of the others that, you know, that don't have the names shout out to George Kittle as well. Getting seen, that sucks, man. You know, I did laugh when I saw the clip of someone saying that a Casamigos bottle was.

[Jerry Ferrara]

Yeah. Was sent down from the owner's suite.

[Kyle Van Noy]

I was like, that's some gangster stuff. He's a, he's a dog. He's a dog for that. That was funny. But just the camaraderie you see with the Niners and you know, the coaching staff, you just saw how much it meant to those, those guys because of what they dealt with injury wise. I just was really impressed with that victory. Brock Purdy just stayed staying even, even keel even when he had his lows in the game. And then the Eagles just, you know, the offense just can't. Couldn't get it going. Saquon had a down year. Offensive line hasn't been the same. So it's been really interesting watching the playoffs.

[Jerry Ferrara]

So another thing you know we're talking about, the Bears almost was another home team to lose. What gets overlooked in that game? I'm going to land this plane because this is a question I'm dying to ask you is yes, Caleb was phenomenal in that second half and that fourth quarter. How. But what we don't talk about enough is the Bears defense stopped everything the packers were doing. That run game went away in the second half. Jacobs was awesome in the first half.

[Kyle Van Noy]

Yeah, I know you love the Bears defense because I think a year ago you were claiming how the Bears defense was going to be so good. And I don't like that.

[Jerry Ferrara]

You know, I said a year ago, man, I don't like that, you know, stuff I said.

[Matt Liner]

Kyle did his research on you.

[Jerry Ferrara]

Here's what I really wanted to ask you though, because similarly when we go to that epic Patriots super bowl win against the Falcons, a lot of what media and people talk about this Brady, he believed we heard him on the sideline in the sound clips. But sure. And they were awesome. The offense was awesome.

[Kyle Van Noy]

But you did grow pick six in the game.

[Jerry Ferrara]

True. But I want to know from a defensive perspective when you're trying to make a comeback like that, the mindset, the belief. Yeah, because like it's great if the offense goes and puts up 25 points but you got to stop not happening and it doesn't get talked about enough.

[Kyle Van Noy]

Yeah. It's funny you bring this up. One thing I'll remember from the sideline is the position coach coming up to me and high when it was it start, the comeback started. He was like, we're playing, man, the rest of the time, and we're doing five, man pressure. And y' all better just call it out there how you see it. So we were literally. Hightower and myself were able to call, like, gains that we're doing rushes that we were doing in the game, and that led to what it led to. I remember Hightower sack, fumble like it was yesterday. He was actually supposed to peel with the back, and he ended up kept going, but I kind of saw it and had his back. So just things like that that I love, that no one really knows about.

[Matt Liner]

I just got goosebumps, dude. I just got goosebumps listening.

[Kyle Van Noy]

And it's like backyard football in the Super Bowl. And, you know, that's. That, to me, is what it's all about. That's what still gives me that love. Because I think about the backyard football moments where you're growing up and, you know, you're playing outside in the street, you know, in the street with the. The. The lights still on, barely flickering on the streets, and, you know, throwing the ball to your homeboy who's running into a car on accident. I just love that because that's what. That's what it's all about. And then when you're doing it at the highest level in the biggest game where you're back, like, you're in the streetlight games at that level, when you're in that game and you have a coach, like, you guys get to just call it out there, whatever, and it works out in your favor. And something I also want to talk about that game is the defense only gave up 21 points to Matt Ryan, who was playing Unreal. MVP. He won the MVP that year. Julio Jones made one. The arguably the greatest catch I've ever seen. I got held on the play, and I was, like, looking up. No, don't catch it. And he caught it in front of two guys and me and higher running down the. Because they. They ran up to the ball because they. They didn't know if he was in or in or out, so they wanted to hike the ball really quick. And he's talking to me like, did he catch that? And I'm like, yeah. I was like, are we cooked? He's like, nah. And then on that drive is when Kyle Long got a holding call. You know, other people are like, well, why didn't they run the ball out? Blah, blah, blah. They just had to run the ball. They rushed the ball six times for negative six yards in the second half. That's why I'm Throwing the ball with Matt Ryan, my MVP to Julio Jones every time I had. So, you know, they play that game and ultimately lost, but it's awesome to be part of the greatest game ever.

[Matt Liner]

Do you have a Tom Brady story that you could share? Maybe it's that game. Maybe it's just from your time from playing with him. I mean, he's just.

[Kyle Van Noy]

You know, I have so many. One. One that I'll share. It's. It's something light. Tom, as a lot of people know, he does. He eats very clean. He doesn't eat out a lot. Like, he eat. Ate avocado ice cream. Disgusting.

[Jerry Ferrara]

I tried to make it. It's terrible.

[Kyle Van Noy]

Yeah, it's gross. What are we doing, Tom? Be normal. He. He was being normal down in St. Barts. I was.

[Matt Liner]

I was gonna say after the. The Bucks super bowl, when he was hammered off to. He could stand up straight. That was the greatest. Throwing the Lombardi Trophy in the. Across the boats was, like, the best.

[Kyle Van Noy]

And we were. We went to dinner one night, Capitol Grill, and one of the waiters is like, one of your teammates is coming in. You know, he. He knows you're here. He wants to, like, say, what's up? Or something. I was like, all right, whatever. That's weird that they announced that to me. And so I'm just eating. I totally forgot that I had a teammate. Get ready to pay. And he. The waiter's like, your food's taken care of. And I'm like, what? Like, by who? And he was like, I. I'm not at liberty to say, but he's in the. He's in the private room if you want to go say what's up? And so I was like, all right, whatever. So, like, it was a room that was, like, covered with curtains. And so my dumb ass, like, opened the curtain, like, with my head, hi. Hello.

[Matt Liner]

Hi.

[Kyle Van Noy]

Like, hi. You know? And sure enough, it's Tom with his kids. And I was like, oh, I didn't know you were here, you know, And I was like. I was like, you're trying to, like, one up me right now by paying. You're trying to, like, put. Put your power on the table, you know, lay his thing on the table, like, in front of my wife. You know, you're. You're basically pay for our date night. And it. It was in that moment that it was that I realized, like, that's big bro. Like, that warmed my soul that he was just looking out like it wasn't anything else but the kindness of his heart that, hey, like, I Got my, my little bro here, like, take care of it for him, just to show him love. Like, I love that story because that's who he is. He's always looking out for his guys. No matter what, he always goes to bat for him. And, you know, it just made my heart just melt for him because, like, he's looking out for a little bro, and I always love him for that. He's, he does that to this day. Like, he's always looking out.

[Jerry Ferrara]

I've, I've, I've done that like once or twice in my life. If I had the Tom Brady bank account, I would be blessing people like, oh, wait, I met you at Starbucks, bro. Let me get that for you. But, so I've had that done to me too. And I hear you say at first you're like, wait a minute, I only gotta pay for my meal. But then you're like, no, this is much more of a. Kindness isn't a flex. It's no kindness. It's like a knot of respect.

[Kyle Van Noy]

Yeah.

[Jerry Ferrara]

Thank you for everything you put in, you know, that's great.

[Kyle Van Noy]

It's love. It's love. It's, it's like, you know, I'm, I'm looking out for you. Just know like, you're my guy. Another story that I have real quick, the first time I met him, there's stories all the time where he introduces himself to anyone and everyone. Doesn't matter if you're a practice squad guy. Doesn't matter if you're a vet and has played 20 years in the league. Like, he's done it to Debo, where James Harrison's hated him his whole career. And then Tom introduced himself to James Harrison and he's like, mean mugging him and like, I hate you. But then you, like, you're around him and he like shakes your hand and it's like, man, I love you. Like, hate that. Similar thing he did for me when I met him after I got traded. You know, it's 5:30 in the morning, I got to get my physical. And of course we, we, we see each other like in, in the restroom, like washing our hands after we went piss. And you know, it's 5:30 in the morning, so like, I'm tired, he's tired, hasn't said anything. But after he like, you know, puts paper, he. Good thing he washed his hand and grabbed paper to clean it off. We know how nasty people are out there that don't do that.

[Jerry Ferrara]

Wet hands.

[Kyle Van Noy]

Yeah. He introduces himself right after like, hey, I'm Tom Brady. Nice to meet you. Glad you're here. And I just am like, I know who your dumb ass is. Like, Like, I know who you are. Like, you know, but it was just, again, that respect factor of him, you know, being so humble to just introduce himself. That's just who he is as a person. I'll never say anything bad about Tom Brady. That dude is just first class all the way around. Like, he is who you see on tv. Like, he's a very respectful bull dude. Like, he. He is just as real as it gets.

[Jerry Ferrara]

Yeah. I verify my only encounters when he did that cameo on Entourage. And every crew member, every. The. The teamster, anyone who came through, it's eye contact, how you do it, like, you know, signing stuff and was just awesome. But someone's got to take the shot when he does that. Like, hi, how you doing? I'm Tom. Be like, what position do you play? Like, to start? Grill. Like, who?

[Matt Liner]

Yeah, who are you? Oh, Tom. Okay.

[Kyle Van Noy]

Another kicker. Another thing he used to do is wear this, like, luxury robe. He wore this, like, white robe all the time with his slippers. Like, he was the kid in the locker room. In the locker room, he would wear this big ass robe, cozy. It was always like a pimp robe. I like that robe. I wish I stole the robe after, like, you know, thinking about things, it's like, I should have stole another cool thing. I will say, last one, sorry I got so many. He had an extra locker next to his locker, and it was for anyone who wanted stuff signed. And it could be anybody in the building. You could put it there and it may be done in a day, or it may be done a month or a couple months. It's going to get signed at some point. He would take a couple minutes out of his day to sign autographs in the locker next to him. And I always respected that. I'm like, that's so dope, dude.

[Matt Liner]

I've never. I've. I'm sure people do that because, you know, teammates like that you could pretty much ask, but, like, that's awesome. Like, that's a cool.

[Jerry Ferrara]

It takes that pressure away of, like, wanting.

[Matt Liner]

It takes like, you don't want to go off. Like, hey, Tom, you think you can sign this for my kids? Just like, that's awesome.

[Jerry Ferrara]

He crosses the line first.

[Kyle Van Noy]

Yeah, you just dump it in during Christmas time when you got a, you know, a bunch of jerseys. Like, I'm about to be the best uncle ever getting all these jerseys signed. But before we go, I got a couple things for you, Jerry. All right.

[Jerry Ferrara]

I'm on the KVN show right now. Let's go.

[Kyle Van Noy]

I know you're, like, a huge Yankees fan. I'm a huge Red Sox fan, so you'll start to hate me now. I know. Do you feel a little bit disappointed that the fact that you guys have spent so much money to try to win the Red Sox habit. And we're closer to winning than the damn Yankees are. Let's go. Let's go.

[Jerry Ferrara]

Listen, here comes the rebuttal. Biggest travesties of all time is how this thing has flipped. If you really go in the history. Right? Like, I was on Easy street till 04, man. I made myself sit through that Red Sox Netflix doc about the 04 comeback. I said, you know what? If I could watch the Jeter doc, which is, like, Yankee porn, I'm a wise. I'm gonna. And I watched it, and you know what? It flipped Everything. If you just go look at the last 15, 20 years, it's all flipped. And I don't think they know how to fix it. I really don't. I think they're trying. And now we got Matt's Dodgers talking about spending money. My goodness.

[Kyle Van Noy]

I know. They're in a different category.

[Matt Liner]

Listen, I've been a born and raised a Diaphlon Dodger fan.

[Kyle Van Noy]

True. Okay.

[Matt Liner]

So, you know.

[Kyle Van Noy]

True.

[Jerry Ferrara]

And you suffered. That you suffered just like the Red Sox suffered. Yeah, I. I do think it was alarming. Like, you get rid of Mookie Bet. Like, you just, like, see all these players go out the door. And now you kind of have rebooted it, though. But you're.

[Kyle Van Noy]

Yeah.

[Jerry Ferrara]

You're on a good side of a reboot, you know?

[Kyle Van Noy]

Yeah.

[Jerry Ferrara]

It's troubling, for sure.

[Kyle Van Noy]

My next question is who you're. You've watched sports a lot. Who have been, like, your favorite athletes that you've met over the years that you flight, and then you got to do the other side. Who's been like, a dick that you.

[Matt Liner]

Were like, I know one. I know one. I'm not gonna say the name, though.

[Jerry Ferrara]

You do? Yeah.

[Annie Agar]

Go ahead.

[Jerry Ferrara]

I'm just wondering which one.

[Kyle Van Noy]

Did someone, like, try you, like, kind of like big boy, you? Because I, I, I.

[Jerry Ferrara]

Well, on the fortunate side. On the fortunate side with Entourage, and this is something we've talked about many times on this show, and I've started to ask athletes because, you know, I always say it. Actors didn't look at Entourage like, oh, like, they enjoyed it, but, like, for some reason, athletes related to it way more. I like the amount of athletes that have come up to me over the years and shown me love. As opposed to like the actor you think would be like, hey, you're emulating what it's like for us. They. It's almost like they play it too cool, you know? But I've had, like, I thought it was really cool to get love from Zion Williamson at a Knicks game. He came up. He's like, I watched. You know, I'm late to the show. I watched it while I was injured a whole year. It got me through my injuries. Like, I enjoyed it. And I kind of asked him, I was like, what. What is it that you liked? Because I always want to know why athletes more than anyone. And he was just like, I just. Having people in your corner that you could trust that are just not like, outside of the organization, inside, it just. That's. That's everything.

[Matt Liner]

Jerry, you didn't answer the question.

[Jerry Ferrara]

Well, you talk about who. Big boy or. Yeah, who do you think? Matt, tell me.

[Matt Liner]

He. He plays football.

[Kyle Van Noy]

Oh, yes. Let's get it.

[Jerry Ferrara]

Retired or current?

[Matt Liner]

He's. Well, he. He's probably going to retire pretty soon. I mean, he's a quarterback. Do I need to. I don't want to say the name. I'm not gonna.

[Jerry Ferrara]

I just don't know why I remember. I don't. Oh, we talk about.

[Kyle Van Noy]

Aaron. Yeah.

[Matt Liner]

No, no, no.

[Kyle Van Noy]

Oh, no, no.

[Annie Agar]

Russ.

[Matt Liner]

Russell Wilson.

[Jerry Ferrara]

Let's just say Russ.

[Matt Liner]

You heard it here, Kyle.

[Jerry Ferrara]

Russ is in the Entourage movie, right?

[Matt Liner]

He is the one who's the past.

[Jerry Ferrara]

Where Kevin Connolly broke his leg.

[Matt Liner]

Jerry's backpedaling right now.

[Jerry Ferrara]

No, I'm not. What I'm saying is, like, he was around. Like, he brought us up to Seattle. We screened the Entourage movie for the whole team. So he let us in the building.

[Kyle Van Noy]

He was all unlimited. Was he unlimited as an.

[Jerry Ferrara]

Let's say, when the Entourage movie didn't make hundreds of millions of dollars, it was deemed like success, but not nearly what we all thought it could have been. He was out. He was out.

[Matt Liner]

Russ, was Jerry real? A real numbers PC answer right here.

[Jerry Ferrara]

Just was just out. He was out on us.

[Kyle Van Noy]

Forget Russell Wilson. He.

[Matt Liner]

Whatever real. Okay, we got. We're gonna let you go. We have two quick things. You can be quick. Your MVP this year. Because Stafford or May is probably gonna be one of them. And you play. I. I tweeted out this week. I think Stafford's one of the all time greats. If he wins another one.

[Kyle Van Noy]

Yeah, for that one.

[Matt Liner]

I did.

[Kyle Van Noy]

It was.

[Matt Liner]

It was probably a little rich.

[Jerry Ferrara]

Maddie Bayless. He Turned it to skip Bayless baby.

[Matt Liner]

I dude, I, I, I, I, I texted one of my boys who's, who's, I was like, I was like, hey, what do you think? He's goes, he goes, dude, lol. That's a little rich for my blood. I said, yeah, you're probably right. But whatever, good luck.

[Kyle Van Noy]

Good for you.

[Matt Liner]

Hey, whatever that. And then, and then your thought, your quick thought on Miles Garrett's sack record. 16 games to 17 games. But you can be quick on both. What do you think?

[Kyle Van Noy]

Yeah, I think Stafford, just because you know everybody's going to say Drake May did better with less. But he also played, you know, some of the teams he played like the jets at the end of the season, who's tanking, who's tanking. And he's out there, they're tanking, throwing five picks, you know, stuff like that. Or Miami. I think you know, who's cooked at the end of the year throwing the rock around. So I get it, he's in his second year. But Stafford, I think he's just been unreal this season. You know, also, it's harder to do to me, I also think about the target on the back. The Rams have a target. They were considered super bowl favorites from the start. And Matthew has been on that path of just ballin'. Drake Mays has been a surprise. I feel like you gotta do it two years in a row unless you do something like lamal Jackson did when he won it in his second year. That's just my thoughts. I think could win Miles Garrett, you know, I, I think he still did it with less attempts. Rushing on a shitty city versus when TJ and Strahan, they were both on better teams. Miles Garrett's done it on a shitbag team like the Browns do it.

[Matt Liner]

He's one of the best to ever do it, man. Freak.

[Kyle Van Noy]

I'll say this. I don't think I've been more impressed with another defender besides him. Him and Aaron Ross.

[Jerry Ferrara]

Donald.

[Kyle Van Noy]

Aaron Donald, yeah. Are the two that I've like on a football field have been so impressive. And then my, my little dog Fred Warner has aura. And then Julius Peppers and Marlo Williams were like, holy shit, I'm in the NFL with those kid dudes. Like, how did their moms have that dude, you know, because they're just so big. But Miles Garrett's a freak. Like he does stuff that like you can't teach. I mean, anytime you have in a game where he's running from one side of the field over and the Titans have Two guys that pick up and go over and pick up and go. That's badass. That's it.

[Matt Liner]

That's still and still beating double teams. Probably still beating. I think Aaron Donald real quick. I Aaron Donald to me to be able to do it as like a three technique or a shade inside at like six one like six and 260. Yeah. And just rock that lied about the plate. Yeah. Oh, that's the Jerry. It's freakish to be like I don't even say small but like.

[Jerry Ferrara]

But for that position. He's for that position.

[Matt Liner]

And to be the greatest ever dude is freaking wild, man. Dude, we appreciate you man. This was awesome, dude.

[Kyle Van Noy]

So fun. Thanks for having me.

[Matt Liner]

Fun to have my week ago all.

[Jerry Ferrara]

Day and I I've officially liked and subscribed to the Kyle Van Noy show. Bring the robe back. Maybe go with the Brady. Get the Brady. Plus you should have did.

[Matt Liner]

You should have did the show with the robe on. That would have been awesome. Are you going Super Bowl? Will you be out there?

[Kyle Van Noy]

I will be out there. Will you be out there?

[Matt Liner]

Yeah. I'll see you. I'll see you out there for sure.

[Kyle Van Noy]

Hang. Let's grab Jerry.

[Matt Liner]

Well, Jerry. Jerry's coming too but he's having a baby that week so.

[Jerry Ferrara]

I got a baby due February 2nd, man.

[Kyle Van Noy]

Congratulations. What number is it?

[Jerry Ferrara]

Three.

[Kyle Van Noy]

Oh, you're tripping.

[Jerry Ferrara]

Listen dude, my life is crazy. Just to give you really snapshot. I'm wearing an old school Seattle Supersonics NBA jam shirt because my 7 year old is a basketball nerd. And every week it's a team that we study. And right now I have to. I showed him Sean Kemp highlights last.

[Matt Liner]

Night and I have to explain to.

[Jerry Ferrara]

A 7 year old later why Seattle moved to OKC. I have to have this discuss oral discussion with him.

[Kyle Van Noy]

That was a tough. Yeah, that was tough though. That was bad Seattle super.

[Matt Liner]

Uniforms.

[Kyle Van Noy]

Remember every kid loves the Sonics logo.

[Jerry Ferrara]

For some reason every kid responds to like the Sonic's logo when they see it. My he's obsessed with the in 2k. He uses the old sonics when he plays 2k.

[Kyle Van Noy]

Nice. Well speaking since he loves basketball. My underrated player I loved going you know growing up with with was Sharif Abdul Rakim, Vancouver Grizzly. So underrated. He's a beast. Such a baller. Such a beast. He always flies under the radar. Loved him growing up. Also Matt, I do want to say how cool it was to see your post about your son. Oh yeah, I know. I know how hard it is to like not watch Your kids play. Because I actually live away from my son during football season and the family, and so I miss his. I know he's only six and he's got. He has tough, man, but I know exactly what you're feeling. You were feeling, but it was dope that you got to experience that, you know, shout out to you for being a good dad. That was dope.

[Matt Liner]

I appreciate, man. We're. Yeah, I got to go. Yeah. Every.

[Kyle Van Noy]

It's.

[Matt Liner]

It's crazy, man, because going into freshman year with my job, and I love my job and it's the best and I'm grateful for it, but I was like, man, it's going to. I was thinking about his senior year, his freshman year. I was like, it is going to be the hardest thing to miss those games as a senior. I got to see two and I got. And it all, you know, things happen for a reason. It was a blessing. They made the CIF finals. They lost, but, like, I got to get to his final game and I was there and he lost and I didn't even care, man. I was just like, I was so grateful to be there. And now, dude, this week where he's going to college, like, that's the crazy. Like, we.

[Jerry Ferrara]

Tears will flow.

[Matt Liner]

Yeah. Oh, God, dude, I'm gonna start crying right now just thinking about it, dude. Like, I'm. I just posted a video this. This week. Like, my four year old learned how to ride a bike this week and he's crushing.

[Kyle Van Noy]

Oh, congrats.

[Matt Liner]

And now I'm sending my 19 year old to college. I'm like, dude, what is. Like, I am just. I'm grateful, man, for all of it. So I appreciate you saying that, dude. It's. As you know, man, it's hard. It's hard when you're away, but, yeah, you feel like doing all of these things.

[Kyle Van Noy]

I always, whenever I have the opportunity, I always try to give people flowers, especially when they open up about family situations or if they're doing a good job. And I just want to say kudos to you because, you know, we always hear about the other sides of dads and sides that, you know that are bad. Right? We don't give flowers to those that are being good dads that are there, that are, you know, that do go unnoticed. And like, you expressing your love for them in a public manner like that, I just wanted to give you props. That was dope.

[Matt Liner]

I appreciate you, man. Well, we got. We got three great dads on here. Jerry's a great dad. I know you are. And you Know, I think. I think they respect our hustle and what we do and everything we try to do to provide for them. And. And that's. That's what I think about with Cole, you know, like, he understands. He knows why I was gone. He understands what I'm trying to do for the family. So appreciate you, man.

[Jerry Ferrara]

Thank you, man.

[Matt Liner]

Yeah, see you. We'll see you up in San Fran, dude.

[Jerry Ferrara]

Joining the show, Annie Agar. She always does, courtesy of Twisted Tea. Grab a refreshing Twisted Tea today. And he joining us from Chicago. Chicago, a place that I'm not sure she really wants to be right now as a Packer fan. How. How many people have come up to you this week and been like, annie, how are you?

[Annie Agar]

Like, well, I haven't left my apartment, so I wouldn't.

[Jerry Ferrara]

You're hiding.

[Annie Agar]

Oh, my. That was atrocious. Like, the worst 24 hours of my life. And I. Guys, I was walking home because I went to a bar. So everybody was roasting me for going to a Bears bar. When I'm in Chicago, every bar is a Bears bar. But they don't understand. All my friends are Bears fans. I'm not. I wanted to watch with my friends, and they're very passionate Bears fans. So I sacrificed and went to this bar with them, and it was brutal. I've never. It was like two other guys, maybe that were packers fans, but. But I left the bar. I told my friends, if we lose this game, because toward the end, obviously it was. Didn't look good. So I told them, like, I'm gonna start crying, so I have to leave. And they thought I was joking. I'm like, no, I'm. I'm dead serious. So I left the bar. Like, I said goodbye, left the bar. The amount of honking and f. The packers that I got on my walk home, the five minute walk home from that bar was literally enough to send me to therapy for 30 years.

[Jerry Ferrara]

It was a truck.

[Matt Liner]

I feel like I want to laugh and cry at the same time.

[Annie Agar]

Now I can. Now I think it's fine. Like, I don't know, you know?

[Matt Liner]

Man.

[Jerry Ferrara]

Were you watching her posts, Matt? Like, because I was.

[Matt Liner]

You know what?

[Jerry Ferrara]

I was worried. I was.

[Matt Liner]

I was like, I'm on. I. I was. I honestly. Because I said I was going to FaceTime you, and I was like, I can't FaceTime. I had a moment to myself. I'm like, this would be wrong. I was gonna FaceTime you at the end, too, just to make it a little more dramatic. And I was like, yeah, no. Yeah. No, but we were thinking about you during the game. I sent you a little text this week just to check on you. I know. Listen, you're here, you're here with us. It's a new day. Let me ask you a, Let me ask you just a big picture question. Obviously the packers think underachieving the Leflore. I even saw Leflore talk today about like maybe getting traded. Like they might trade lafleur or something. Yeah, I don't know if that was real, but like I'm seeing that you're also seeing that with some other coaches. Just a recap of the year and how you're feeling going in the off season. I, I read another thing that they're going to lose a ton of players this year. They're over the cat jobs.

[Annie Agar]

I don't think we can pay.

[Matt Liner]

Like, it's not a great off. Like, look ahead for them.

[Annie Agar]

So overall the biggest One is with LaFleur. Everybody's saying, you know, everybody was calling for him to get fired on social media, maybe me included. But the issue is like, who do you get better? And the only answer is Harbaugh. But Harbaugh also chokes as well. So it's like a catch 20. I mean, I think he's a great coach. Like I, He's a great offensive minded coach. He just, I don't know what's with the leadership and coaching scared in the second half. And that was the big issue. Like he just can't, he can't go after a team and just put the pedal down and say, yeah, we're just going to demolish this team. And I think he's just a kind of a passive guy like that, like this whole Ben Johnson thing, calling him out and. Yeah, and he just doesn't want this man to go to war with the, with the Bears, but I just don't know if he will. So overall it's not like the positive aspect is Jordan Love, is it? And anybody that says he did not perform four touchdowns, like, that man is amazing. And so that gives me hope. And Micah coming back healthy and I know we got like, I think we got to get rid of like Rashawn Gary doesn't do it. Like, there's just some guys that just don't. They're not cutting it. And unfortunately the guys that are, are the guys we're not gonna be able to pay. So I'm not feeling overly confident. It was like a rougher year than I thought it would be. That Browns loss probably capitalized the whole thing. But Yeah, I. I think we're okay. I think we're in an okay.

[Matt Liner]

What if the Bears go on and win the Super Bowl? As if. Would you. Would you be like, okay, at least we lost. Do we. At least we lost to the super bowl champ, or would you be miserable?

[Annie Agar]

I think I'd be miserable. Yeah. I mean, I love. I like, I love NFL fans, but Bears fans been rough this week, so that would make it a lot rough.

[Jerry Ferrara]

Here's something I. I kind of noticed, and we're not going to get into the fourth down play, which for you must have just been devastating, right? Just because, like, you think you had them. But do you know? No, but here's an analogy with what I saw from Caleb. This is not going to make sense until you really peel it back because they have. The playing style is not close.

[Annie Agar]

But Matt just real quick, Matt tweeted out that that was like, insane. And I thought it was insane, but I don't know. Like, I didn't.

[Matt Liner]

Jerry does not think we had this debate for, like, it was amazing. He thinks it was a good throw. I was like, wow.

[Jerry Ferrara]

What I'm gonna say is he gave me, like, Eli Manning vibes. What I mean by that is like, oh, here he comes. Like, Eli had that. Like, he's not really looking that good. He threw a bad pin and all of a sud flips like, oh, here comes Eli. Caleb now has this. Oh, here comes Caleb. And when that's happening, all bets are off because that dude went to another level. And I know Eli, they have no playing style at all.

[Matt Liner]

But I would probably compare it a little more to Mahomes. Like, not. I mean, Mahomes is in a different stratosphere. But, like, does it real.

[Jerry Ferrara]

Does he really, like, go to sleep? Caleb. Caleb slept for the whole first half.

[Matt Liner]

Anytime in the fourth quarter, if the Chiefs are down, you're like, well, Mahomes going to turn it on, guaranteed. Caleb is not there yet, but he's shown this year. That's like, hey, the fourth quarter, he just. He freaking turns it on, which is crazy.

[Annie Agar]

I mean, you know this like, Koji. You can scheme up guys but have the athleticism to make a throw like that. That's what scares me like that, man.

[Jerry Ferrara]

And the other big winner besides Caleb and Ben Johnson and the Bears, like, like all the. And I. I'm kind of one of them, I think. I asked Greg Olson, like, why on earth would you take Loveland over Warren? And I think we saw why not saying. And they're kind of different play styles Loveland was insane that game. My God. I mean, we all knew that that's what it could be, and he showed it in the biggest moment possible. He was insane. Like, I always talk about, like, for the. Like, you rooting against the Bears. Like, who is scaring you the most on. On offense for the Bears while you.

[Annie Agar]

Watch, A lot of them have stepped up, too. Like, Luther Burden look really good. And as of late, like, yeah, Loveland was probably pretty scary. Their run game. I thought, like, Manangai and I. I thought they'd be like, we shut them down pretty well.

[Jerry Ferrara]

Yeah.

[Annie Agar]

So that's what scared me the most, is our.

[Matt Liner]

And they're only getting better. That's the bummer.

[Annie Agar]

Yeah.

[Matt Liner]

And we can move on from the packers talk. I mean, it's okay.

[Annie Agar]

There are other teams.

[Matt Liner]

Guys, listen, you had a great. You had a great year.

[Annie Agar]

Great.

[Matt Liner]

You're always. You had a great year. You're always.

[Kyle Van Noy]

You're. You're the.

[Matt Liner]

The queen of the content with all this stuff. And, you know, listen, it's a. It's another year. It's hard to win. It's hard to win Super Bowls.

[Annie Agar]

And now I can watch the playoffs without being stressed out.

[Matt Liner]

Yes.

[Annie Agar]

That's good.

[Jerry Ferrara]

That's the only thing before we do trivia and Annie, I hate to do this to someone who's grieving a little bit, but you're. You're sitting in. You're back in the hot seat again with trivia. Everyone liked your performance from last week. Oh, geez. So maybe you could, you know, find a good thing to focus on for the rest of the week with the W. The only other thing I wanted to mention to someone here, that shot what almost felt like an inadvertent cutaway to the Eagles sideline on that fourth down when they called the timeout, which some say they shouldn't have called, and it was Sirianni, the OC And Jalen Hurts huddled up and they. Sirianni literally looked at all them and went, that's what you want to do. Like, it just looked like they were. They were.

[Annie Agar]

Yes. Because it's the same damn play they called three times in a row.

[Jerry Ferrara]

They shouldn't cut to that. Like, we weren't supposed to see that much inside.

[Kyle Van Noy]

They.

[Jerry Ferrara]

I had no. After I saw that, I said, there is no way in hell this fourth down is getting converted. No, they don't even know. And Jaylen Hurts kind of walked away. Like, he walked away. Like, all right, well, all right, we'll do that. Like, I just.

[Matt Liner]

Yeah.

[Annie Agar]

Somebody tweeted out. They said, I want Jalen Hurts to rip that speaker out of his helmet immediately. Oh, so bad. Poor Kevin. But apparently in an interview or something, Kevin came out and said, he's just like, people have been so mean to him. And I. Yeah, that's like, I don't. I mean, that would be a rough. But it's. It's also your job, so I try.

[Matt Liner]

It's your job. You're the coordinator for the. Yeah, I mean, it's.

[Annie Agar]

And if you have two plays, you call consistently, dude, like, open up the playbook.

[Jerry Ferrara]

Oh, are we ready for some twisted trivia brought to you by Twisted T. Now, I.

[Annie Agar]

Just to be fair, too, if we do pictures again, I think we should close our eyes, because I don't. Technicality.

[Jerry Ferrara]

We're gonna. We're gonna do that for the YouTube audience. Matt and Annie will close their eyes until I'm certain the pictures up, and then I will say open. That's a good note, Annie. We're gonna. The theme of this week.

[Matt Liner]

Sorry, Annie.

[Jerry Ferrara]

The theme is 2010, which happens to be the last time the packers won the Super Bowl.

[Annie Agar]

Oh, gosh.

[Jerry Ferrara]

Okay. Also, the last time they played the Bears in the playoffs, they beat them 21:14 in the conference championship. Okay.

[Annie Agar]

Okay.

[Jerry Ferrara]

So that's the era. That's the vibe we're going for with the questions. Okay? So get yourself in that mindset. 22nd. Aaron Rodgers. Okay, here we go.

[Matt Liner]

Okay.

[Jerry Ferrara]

Question one. Who was the packers leading receiver?

[Matt Liner]

Craig Jennings.

[Jerry Ferrara]

That's one. That's one. It was Greg Jennings. That was. Yes, Maddie, that was good. That's back in 2010. He's in there. Okay. Number two. Brandon Jackson was the packers leading rusher with 703 yards that year. Who was second?

[Annie Agar]

Oh, my gosh.

[Jerry Ferrara]

There is a hint available.

[Matt Liner]

You want to hit Annie, you want to guess?

[Annie Agar]

No, I'll take the hint.

[Matt Liner]

Let's do a hint.

[Jerry Ferrara]

Okay.

[Matt Liner]

Get ready. Yeah.

[Jerry Ferrara]

This hint could open some things up. Let's just say he wasn't a running back. What was the.

[Annie Agar]

Say it again. The lead. The second.

[Jerry Ferrara]

Brandon Jackson was the packers leading rusher with 703 yards. Who was second on the team.

[Matt Liner]

Wasn't a running back.

[Jerry Ferrara]

Not a running back. You guys could crack this. Come on. 703 yards is not a monster rushing year. So it's a number that's less than that.

[Matt Liner]

But who is their little scat receipt. Who do they have.

[Annie Agar]

Rushing yards?

[Matt Liner]

We need another hint.

[Jerry Ferrara]

Yeah. Okay. This is what. Be ready.

[Annie Agar]

Gonna give it away.

[Jerry Ferrara]

Yes. I think we're at that point this player has one league mvp.

[Annie Agar]

Is it Aaron?

[Jerry Ferrara]

Correct.

[Annie Agar]

I was gonna guess Aaron, but I thought, there's no way.

[Matt Liner]

Damn.

[Jerry Ferrara]

I don't know. I don't have a rushing staff.

[Matt Liner]

That makes sense. He probably had, what, 400 yards or something.

[Jerry Ferrara]

Yeah, like 703 wasn't a derrick Henry season, so it wasn't a hard number.

[Matt Liner]

Brandon Jackson was the leading rusher for their super bowl team.

[Annie Agar]

That's wild.

[Jerry Ferrara]

All right, final question. That's one a piece right now. What stadium was that Super Bowl 45 played in? Oh, I feel like 2010. Annie, this is your pride. You're, like, probably just watching.

[Matt Liner]

How do you not know?

[Jerry Ferrara]

This moment, This. I thought for sure you got. I. I had this going this way. I think Matt getting the first. Yeah, well, I. I had you go. I had you winning two out of three of these.

[Annie Agar]

Oh, no, I. I'm gonna.

[Matt Liner]

I'm gonna say. I'm gonna say. I'm gonna say Indianapolis.

[Jerry Ferrara]

Incorrect. Incorrect. It was a newer stadium, very new, and it was their first super bowl there at the new stadium.

[Annie Agar]

What in the world?

[Matt Liner]

That's a tough hint. Okay, no, no, no, no, no. That counts. That counts.

[Jerry Ferrara]

That counts. Yeah, I'm trying not to give it that away. I'm trying to give you a shot here.

[Matt Liner]

If she doesn't guess, then we're back on the level playing field here.

[Jerry Ferrara]

Correct.

[Matt Liner]

You basically.

[Jerry Ferrara]

Seven seconds, you get a free guest.

[Kyle Van Noy]

Oh.

[Annie Agar]

I don't. I don't know.

[Jerry Ferrara]

Okay. All right, let me try to think.

[Annie Agar]

Of this next in 2010, the newer states.

[Jerry Ferrara]

Okay, Matt.

[Matt Liner]

No, no, we're back now.

[Jerry Ferrara]

We're back now. Now pay attention, because I got to open this up a little bit. Okay, wait.

[Matt Liner]

It was brand new that year. Just.

[Jerry Ferrara]

I don't know if it was, like, brand new that year, but it was very new.

[Matt Liner]

And then never hosted a Super Bowl.

[Jerry Ferrara]

No, because it was new. And it's not a place that's typically a Super bowl has ever been played in.

[Annie Agar]

I don't think I have any shirts or anything that say it on there. I have the New Orleans one.

[Jerry Ferrara]

Okay, okay. They famously. All right, let me figure out how to word this. Their stadium has a. Has a. A big scoreboard, like a big. A big. Like, it was known for, like, the Dallas. Oh, you got. Correct.

[Annie Agar]

Ah, correct. It was in Dallas.

[Jerry Ferrara]

It was in Dallas. And you wonder what I was at.

[Matt Liner]

God, wait, that's a shitty win for me, but I'll take it.

[Jerry Ferrara]

I was at that super bowl, and the weirdest thing was. And snowed in Dallas and, like, Forever. It was like 25 degrees and snowing in Dallas the whole time. People didn't know what they wanted to do. Stadium opened in 09, so it was very Jerry world. I didn't want to say blank world. You. Annie, this is a bad week for you because now we're going to pictures.

[Matt Liner]

Now we got two. We got two photos, right?

[Annie Agar]

I'm looking at, like, the. How did I not know that?

[Jerry Ferrara]

I thought for sure you would have.

[Annie Agar]

I was looking back at the.

[Jerry Ferrara]

That was probably a court.

[Annie Agar]

The super bowl shirt. I have. Doesn't have. It just has.

[Matt Liner]

I thought that would have been childhood, but.

[Kyle Van Noy]

All right, go ahead.

[Jerry Ferrara]

No. Giants was Indy 2011 against the PAT. Second time right there. All right, we are going to picture time. So you guys are going to close your eyes. Once I feel like the picture is up there, I'm going to to tell you, one, two, three, open.

[Annie Agar]

What's the score right now? Matt's got two.

[Jerry Ferrara]

Matt's up two.

[Matt Liner]

Matt, one.

[Jerry Ferrara]

You got to run the table here. All right, Close the eyes. Let's get the first picture on the screen.

[Matt Liner]

Okay.

[Jerry Ferrara]

One, two, three, open.

[Matt Liner]

Clay Matthews.

[Annie Agar]

AJ Hawk. Oh, God.

[Jerry Ferrara]

What am I. Did you.

[Annie Agar]

Wait, Who.

[Kyle Van Noy]

Why?

[Matt Liner]

I say Clay Matthews.

[Jerry Ferrara]

He fumbled it.

[Annie Agar]

Hey, look, I didn't even hear him. In his defense, they both have long blonde hair.

[Matt Liner]

I know.

[Jerry Ferrara]

Upset.

[Matt Liner]

That one was my old teammate, and I know. I mean, what am I doing here? Wow.

[Jerry Ferrara]

It's weird.

[Kyle Van Noy]

Now.

[Matt Liner]

I just looked and I was like, oh, that's Faye Matthews.

[Jerry Ferrara]

That was huge because I thought Matt could have iced it right there. So it's two. Two. Annie, I know the next picture. You have a real opportunity here to shock the world.

[Matt Liner]

Okay, Dude. Damn it.

[Jerry Ferrara]

Eyes closed.

[Matt Liner]

I just ruined that.

[Jerry Ferrara]

This is a real opportunity. Picture up, please. Okay. Three. Here we go. Three, two, one, open.

[Annie Agar]

Jordy Nelson.

[Jerry Ferrara]

Jordy Nelson is correct. She's done the impossible. She has upset the trivia goat. Matt Liner.

[Matt Liner]

God, I knew him. I couldn't get the name out, so great job.

[Annie Agar]

I was not the underdog here.

[Jerry Ferrara]

We wanted to make you feel good today, Annie.

[Matt Liner]

I will say this, Annie, I did not try and let you win. So therefore. Thank you.

[Annie Agar]

Thank you. I appreciate it.

[Matt Liner]

You got me. God, that was. I fumbled that, dude. That was like. Yeah, that was like the packers for supporters.

[Jerry Ferrara]

You know, you saw a white guy with interesting hair. You want to get the answer out quickly. I could see how you could make.

[Matt Liner]

No, it was. Damn it.

[Kyle Van Noy]

Damn it.

[Annie Agar]

You put Clay Matthews, AJ Hawk, and, like, Anzalone, back to back to back from behind. I would not be able to tell you guys who's who.

[Jerry Ferrara]

Well, congrats. We appreciate you, Annie. Go. Go enjoy the rest of your week. Get out of the house a little bit.

[Annie Agar]

Yeah.

[Jerry Ferrara]

And just move on. You've moved on.

[Annie Agar]

You're better. I will say. I went to the grocery store last night and this guy came up to me. A little older guy came up to me and he gave me a hug and he said, I am so impressed that you went to a bar to watch that game. No idea who he was. And then he just walked away. It was so sweet.

[Jerry Ferrara]

It was very impressive.

[Matt Liner]

What do you do? What do you. What do you do for the next couple weeks? You just chill, right? I mean, there's no anxiety. But do you. You watch at your house? You just go to the bar.

[Jerry Ferrara]

You're full. Content.

[Matt Liner]

Yeah, you're full. We'll see at the Super Bowl.

[Annie Agar]

It's just all content now. Yep. And I'll be at Super Bowl.

[Matt Liner]

Nice.

[Annie Agar]

Yeah, Yeah. I think we're gonna do. We're gonna do a show or something. We're doing.

[Jerry Ferrara]

Yeah.

[Matt Liner]

Hell yeah.

[Annie Agar]

Stay tuned, guys.

[Matt Liner]

Let's go.

[Annie Agar]

Super bowl content.

[Jerry Ferrara]

All right. I was gonna queue up some sad music, like it's been a while.

[Annie Agar]

Oh, my friends already did that. My friends put the classical, like, Ode to Joy over me crashing out at the bar. It's a great time.

[Jerry Ferrara]

Well, if you see Annie Agar out there in the streets of Chicago, you just leave that young lady alone and let her go about her business. Thank you. Twisted T. Annie, have a good rest of the week.

[Annie Agar]

Thank you. Yeah, thanks.

[Jerry Ferrara]

All right, thanks to everybody for listening. Big shout outs. Thank you to Kyle. All that time, you never know if you're going to get 20 minutes or 50 minutes when you do these shows. He did a solid 40. And next week, Matt, we gotta start talking about our super bowl trip. And I'm gonna need some audience help here. Yeah, dude, I might farm out, like, boy names for baby.

[Matt Liner]

You should put it out there and just see.

[Kyle Van Noy]

Let's.

[Matt Liner]

Let's, let's.

[Jerry Ferrara]

Coming in like a few weeks, we got zero boy names.

[Matt Liner]

Let's let the. Let the fans vote for your next baby.

[Jerry Ferrara]

I feel like Eli or Jaylen is probably gonna be a high vote getter if I know my fan base.

[Kyle Van Noy]

Oh, man.

[Jerry Ferrara]

All right, thanks, everybody. We're back next week.