← Throwbacks with Matt Leinart & Jerry Ferrara
Throwbacks with Matt Leinart & Jerry Ferrara
Michigan-Ohio State tension, Bryce Young bouncing back & Josh Duhamel joins the show!
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But I fully planned to go to dental school and I took the DATs, I started applying the whole thing.
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B
I'm not trying to typecast you as a dentist. I feel like you have had a predominantly female clientele. 25 year old Josh is a dentist. Handsome guys. Feel like you would have had a lot of ladies because hey, you had three cleanings this month. What are you doing back here? I just. We just cleaned your teeth. All right. Welcome to another episode throwbacks presented by Cash App. Sending, spending saving, splitting, tipping, donating, gifting, or just typing numbers. All with the number one finance app in the app store. That's money. That's cash app. Someone else. Who is money? My co host, Matt Liner. Matt, we have another quarterback joining us today on the pod and it's not.
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C
And it's not what people think. It's not. John.
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B
Yes.
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C
Oh, did I give it away? My bad.
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B
No, you didn't give it away. You know, he, you know movies like Transformers franchise and win a date with Tad Hamilton, he's got a new show coming out on Netflix. But also little known fact with D2, was he a D2 or is that D3? D2 quarterback?
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C
Is there even D3 football, North Dakota? D2, D2 or D3? Just absolute student. Yeah. We're gonna talk.
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B
And you've, you've met him, you know him for a while.
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C
I know pretty well.
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B
Dude. Yeah.
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C
Yeah, he is just like you're like quintessential good dude, man. Like guys, guy love sports. Obviously great career in Hollywood still, you know, still doing his thing. I've directed buddy games and all that, which is fantastic and just doing a lot of stuff, man. And I run into him, I run into him a couple times a year, I feel. Yeah.
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B
Big Vikings fan, big Vikings guy.
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C
Happy.
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B
Got Kirk Cousins coming back into the building. So look, I would. You had a very interesting weekend. You had a front row seat. I know a lot of people have talked about the Ohio State Michigan brawl. Where were first things first? Where were you when that was happening? Because you're doing big Noon. Where were you located once the game ends and the brawl breaks out?
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C
So we're doing. So we're on the field and first of all, the whole game and again we all picked Ohio State to win. I think pretty much everyone thought they were going to win. So I apologize to Michigan. But we're, we're always doing a post game kind of hit after the game and so we're right there in the corner of one of the end zones and we're kind of there getting ready. We're going to tape a hit this time because the game went long and there's like a minute left and all of a sudden. And usually we have a feel like wherever we're at, we'll have a feel of whether fans are going to storm the field, right? Obviously not in this case, but whether fans are going to storm the field or something's just going to happen. Because all of a sudden the cops and all the security start to line up on the field and you could kind of see security and people kind of, kind of getting on the field just to make sure, like just none of the shenanigans that ended up happening happen. And I'm sitting there and we're kind of looking and all of a sudden I see whoever. I see the Michigan flag. And that was, that was the thing. And we're probably like, we know we're in the corner of an end zone, so we're not that far. Someone just. The flag is just going up and there's still Ohio State players kind of walking off the field. Everybody's kind of walking off the field. And I was like, oh, this, like, this is just. You just felt it. Like you could felt it. It was going to be like they were going to plant the flag or they were going to talk, whatever it was going to be. Because Michigan was not supposed to win that game. They were 20 point underdogs. They were supposed to get blown out this and that, and that's all they heard. And that's not what happened. So we just started. I remember I looking at Mark, I go, mark, look at this. And all of a sudden it just was chaos in the middle of the field. And we were like, damn. And then we saw it and then we, we cut to it after we started taping our hit and we had our aerial shot of it, you know, with the camera. And we were kind of, we were kind of watching it live during our taping. And I was. And you could see what happened. I'm like. And then you started seeing some of the blows and then the pepper spray and all that, which again, I said, I don't condone that stuff, obviously, but a part of me kind of just, it's kind of why I love college football. I just, I love, I love passion. I love, like, I love fan bases when they don't like each other. I love teams when they don't like each other. Obviously you don't want it to go too far, but man, it was, it was pretty wild to see.
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B
Yeah. You know first of all, as someone who's been mace slash pepper sprayed before.
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C
Yeah, not the worst.
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B
Yeah, it really does. It's, it's the worst. It's everything you think it is and more. And I knew it. I saw it right away. I didn't see the spray, but I saw one of the players like oh yeah, grab it. It was so clear. So I'm with you. Where you know the violence of it of course, like you don't want anyone to get hurt, although you do love seeing it. And then you realize, even with the cops, I'm not saying the pepper spray, whatever, but you realize they wouldn't stand a chance in that brawl. When you, one of the Michigan players was like barking at one of the cops and he was a solid 2 1/2ft taller than the.
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C
Someone got, someone got arrested, like legit arrested. We were, we watched it live. Some guy who's wearing all. It was an Ohio State fan just probably hammered on the field, got totally arrested walking off the field.
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B
I was like, damn, I'm for that. Good. Because he definitely shouldn't have been on the field. But I do think violence aside, it, it is the last defense. I think of rivalries, I think in the pros. I was really trying to think hard about it. All right. Baseball does have some great rivalries, but really there's like two. And I started thinking, well, maybe why. But was it interleague play? Because you know the Yankees used to play the Red Sox 100 times a year and now it's. I don't know. I was trying to figure out why NBA, the stars move around so it's more of a star driven league. So there's star rivalries, not team rivalries. Football has theirs and it could be reignited at any point. But that's the beauty of college sports. Those things are real. And I think when they go that's going to be a bad moment for sports.
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C
So people need to understand this because like I, I'm so fortunate I get to see this. I get to see these rivalries in person. In particular Ohio State, Michigan, which I put down, I put out on X. I think it's the biggest rivalry in college football. It might not be the best. It's, it's and it, and it's, it's because Urban Meyer talks about this all the time. That game means something to that to those teams. 365 days a year. Urban used to say if we. Because he was 70 the day after Michigan, they put back on their clocks 364 days until we play Michigan next year. And it's like, it's a constant reminder. It's like the game, right? It's the game. So it just means so much like Michigan winning that game just salvaged their whole season. No one gives a what happened. They're seven and five. They got the number one player in the country. They have. They have kind of good vibes going into next year. But they beat Ohio State again. To your point, like, I. I was. I was thinking about this, and I'm watching it. Like, so many people talked about college football this year in the last couple years of, like, well, the conference realignment, right. We. We got Texas, Texas A and M again, which was fantastic. Like, a lot of that has kind of taken the rivalries away because of con. Conference realignment now nil and the transfer.
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B
That's what I wanted to ask. How that affects it, too.
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C
Well, yeah. So your point with, like, NBA has free agency. Like, college has portal too. Now, there's some kids on that, on those teams that really haven't experienced this rivalry that was their first time. So, like, I was curious to think, like, does it. Does it mean as much to those kids if they. They didn't grow up with it or they didn't. They weren't a part of Michigan or how, say, for the last four years. I just. I walked away. I was. Saturday night, I got home and I'm thinking, like, I don't like fighting. I don't like some of the stuff that can happen again. Like, I like. It's sports and whatever. But I was like, damn. Like, this is why college football is the best. Because you have passion, you have hatred, you have fans, you have states like Michigan and Ohio. The states hate each other because of this game. That's it. Like, it's wild. And to see it. Excuse me. To see it, I kind of was like, damn. Like, college football's in a great place. Like, it really is. Like, despite all of that stuff.
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B
Well, Michigan had no business winning that.
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C
Game, and that's why they won it on their. On their home.
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B
Yeah. And I have a lot of Michigan fans in my life. And all I saw on social media the whole day before and the day after, what was 800 and to your point, what urban does 800 and some odd days since the last time.
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C
OHIO Days or 1800.
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B
It's over 1800. Yeah, it's over 1800. And then also I saw. Which was. I knew they were ready. They. Michigan walked in to the sicario. Kind of. It's not Like a theme. But it's like the baseline on that famous freeway shootout. And it made you say, well, these, these dudes already.
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C
But they had no business winning that game.
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B
No business winning that game.
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C
I mean it was and it's strictly.
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B
Because of the rivalry of it. And then I did think a lot about the nil transfer portal part of affecting the rivalries, like you said, because now it does emulate professional sports.
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C
Yeah.
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B
In a way that it never did. So is there ever a world where, you know, Travis Hunter should not get into a brawl like that? It could cost himself or a player like Travis Hunter could cost him dough potentially. Right. Am I overthinking this?
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C
No, you're right. And then also, I mean a lot of the narrative after that game was do, do some of these kids get suspended? Right. Or find right fine now because some of them are making money. Right. I don't think we're there yet in college, but in the NFL, if you're getting in a fight, you're either getting fined, heavily fined, or maybe you get suspended, depending on, on like obviously the severity of what happened. I, I, I don't think anything will happen. But yeah, I think that's, we're entering a world like that where these, at some point, every player on a team is going to get paid. They're going to become employees of the school and there will be consequences for that. I still don't think like, I, I, I, it's not like again, we're talking about like, do you cross the line? You know, when do you cross the line? What's taken too far, like planning the flag, dude, like, Baker Mayfield did it a couple of years ago is awesome. And he and even said it in his press conference this week, he's like, dude, then like beat us, like beat us for 60 cares.
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B
I get it, I do get it.
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C
I love it.
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B
But no, no, what I mean is if I'm on Ohio State, you absolutely have to fight if you're going to come plan. I get it. You, you lost the game that fine. It wasn't like, it wasn't a good game. Both those teams played their heart out. So it wasn't like Michigan came in, blew them out. Ohio State was certainly trying very hard to win. I don't know me the way I grew up, I am not allowing that.
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C
Listen, every time sound like Baker like.
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B
They had like a agreement, hey, I'll you when you do it to us, you plant the flag.
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C
But I, and by the way, no.
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B
Problem starting a fight over that.
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C
To your point, About Travis Hunter. Anytime there's a fight, immediately people go straight to the quarterback and be like, no, no, no, no, stay the hell out of that.
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B
So did you instantly hate Notre Dame before you even threw a ball for USC once you got there?
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C
No, I hated, I hated Notre Dame because of like it's. Good question. I think you, I think UCLA there was more of a hatred because it was more intimate. I knew a lot of the location of it, the location they talked a lot of. They beat us the very first year. I was at SC for five. They beat us the first year. So I was like, okay, I see this cross down rivalry, it's pretty cool. Like, okay, yeah, like you just immediately you don't like them, right. And then Notre Dame became a real rivalry because they were really good and, and, and then it just became like battles, you know. And then also they were always kind of like the one team that was like a tough out for us to get to a national champions. So it just became a little bit of like a hatred for them. Usc, Notre Dame is not like a, it's not a heated rivalry like Ohio State, Michigan or Auburn, Bama. It's just, it's a, it's a respected like national rivalry that goes back however many years with just some of the greats to ever play. That rivalry is just different. But I just, I just kind of learned not to like them over the years because we talked, you know, we talked to Brady last week. It was just because they were good and they were kind of arrogant and you know that. But that's how rivalries kind of like that's what they're for.
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B
You know, it's, it's so fun for me because I, you know, we did a little bit of rivalries in our throwback three. Last week was rivalry. This week our throwback three based off of this is just going to be sports brawls. Again, not condoning the violence, but there's.
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C
Been some, so many good ones.
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B
And we just had the malice in the palace anniversary and it is what creates rivalries. Now I do. I just don't want them to go away. And I have a hard time wrapping my head around it because in my profession there's, it's like the opposite of rivalries. I'm sure there's some, there's gotta be rivalries don't really hear about. Yeah, you don't really hear like I know whatever's public. And there was even behind the scenes talk like I know the Rock and Vin Diesel had a little bit of a thing During Fast and the Furious, I wouldn't quite call it a rivalry. And I think they're friends again, like us with Entourage. Network TV shows would probably have rivalries back in the day. Like, if you're on ABC and you have a sitcom, you're trying to win the night, you're trying to win the Thursday night ratings war versus whoever on NBC. So I could see that. And that's all gone because network TVs.
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C
Maybe if you're. If you guys. I mean, you guys were up for a lot of awards, right? And did you lose? I know you said you guys lost a bunch, right? Did you lose the same. You lost to the same show every year, or was it so.
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B
Yeah, we lost, I think, six or seven straight years for Emmy for best comedy. So, yeah, I guess our rivalries with Entourage, I don't even think power had rivalries because we were doing, like, our own thing. We. Oh. And this is how we tried to always handle it. We tried to organize, whether it's pickup basketball or softball, it was always the office beat us, like, five of the seven years we lost.
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C
Yeah, they had a run Scrubs.
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We.
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B
We just used to talk trash with. Because they. I think Donald Faze. Like, they just fancied themselves. No, no, they didn't beat us for an Emmy. I think they just fancied themselves athletically good. And we were like, we'll beat you guys in anything. And we wanted to involve the crew, too. Not just cast. Cast and crew. Let's get some of the grips. Some of the Teamsters did.
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C
That never happened, by the way. That's amazing. Did that ever happen?
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B
Never. Never. Got it. You know, obviously, Seth Green was a great rivalry on the show, so. And he's on this great tour right now, Matt, and we have the. The episode with the Entourage guys coming out soon. Randomly, Seth Green ran into Emmanuel Shrieky, who played Sloan, and he posts a picture on Instagram. Got millions of views. The next day, I think he innocently runs into Kevin Dylan, posts a photo, and he's posting like, 50 Cent, like many men wish death upon me as his music. And then the week after that, he was with Connolly, and he posted all three photos. So I just did the victory podcast. Connelly's got it back going, and I think they're going to have Seth Green and Emmanuel on the same episode. You're going to get an invite, too. Well, here's what. What Connelly's doing is brilliant. He's taking on this Persona of, I'm going to reject you before you Have a chance to reject me. Meaning he's going to invite you on Matt. He's going to say, hey, Matt, why don't you come on the pod? Or you know what. Or don't. Like, don't. If you're busy, don't. Just don't even. I don't care one way or the other. I don't. We'd love to have you, but I truly don't care if you come on. He did that to me, and it worked. He made me feel like I. I wanted to go that much more. I think that's dropping soon. But, yeah, there's no real rivalry.
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C
Maybe like. Maybe like. Maybe like an actor who's, like, actors who, like, dated the same girl or something. Maybe there's something, like, personal there.
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B
I can't really talk about rivalry, but there is beef. And the only other real beef I remember, it's another Seth. And if you ask him, he probably doesn't even remember, and he certainly won the beef. It was Seth Rogen. So, Seth with you or with the show?
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C
With.
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B
Well, with the show and mainly Doug. But also, we were the. Which always gets me. We're the actors on the show getting paid to say lines. You're going to be mad at me for a line I said. But he said something in an interview where he had an HBO pilot that was almost ready to go the same time Entourage was. And at some point, HBO is picking between the shows. We're either going to pick up this, this, or that. They didn't pick up his show. They picked up Entourage. So in this interview. And he's like, no. And they pick up Entourage. And who. Who the hell watches Entourage? Meanwhile, seven straight Emmys. But. And he talks all this shit. Now Doug sees this, and Doug is not. You know, he. If Doug gets pissed, he puts it in his work. We had a whole episode dedicated, I don't know if you recall, to talking about the fact that Seth Rogen was ugly the whole episode. And my character, I'd be pissed, too.
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C
Or did you. Or was your character the one that was talking.
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B
My character is the one that's like, I don't understand. Now Katherine Heigl goes home with him and knocked up. She's beautiful. It's awful. I even remember telling Doug, like, Doug, do we really have to do. He's like, it's funny. I'm like, I don't know this guy.
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C
Tell me you've. Tell me you've run into him over the last few years.
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B
No, but then I think. I do think he on some red carpet after that, talked a bunch of shit. And then like, he's run into Dylan and I think Dylan even told him, like, you know, we didn't write that at. Right.
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C
Like, which is holding a grudge all these years.
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B
Well, by the way, you won, Seth. You won.
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C
He's balling. Yeah, you're.
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B
You've been balling. You won. You. If there was a rivalry in beef, you won.
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C
We gotta get. We gotta get him on.
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B
He would never in a million years come on and talk to us ever. Because of me. Probably.
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C
No, but that would be.
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B
Or he would.
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C
Or he might just say, you know what, Jerry, I'm gonna come on and talk right to his face. I've been. I've been waiting to say this for 15 years.
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B
Look, I still will say didn't love it at the. No, I didn't love it at the time. Just tur. Like talking about. We didn't do that on the show often where we purpose. Like we called someone ugly over and over again. So. Yeah. Anyway, Seth Rogen, if you're listening, which you are not, you do have a good shoe game.
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C
Don't worry, we're game. Yeah. No, we're going to get Seth.
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B
I like Seth Rogan. I watch his movies.
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C
Seth's great.
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B
He's funny. Do you know him?
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C
No. Oh, I just love to listen to him talk to you.
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B
I. I never met him anyway, so. Yeah, that's it. That's all. I really got no rivalries in. In acting. Let's move on because it's time to do. You know, I'm getting a little sip right here. It's time to do our Wendy's can't get enough sauce moment of the week. Matt, I don't. I don't know how you're gonna feel about mine.
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C
I think I can lead off. I'm gonna probably co. Sign with you on this one. I think so.
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B
It's not often we would like to highlight a moment that is one of us, but I'm going to highlight one of mine as the. The saucy moment of the week.
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C
Right.
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B
It's Elf on the Shelf season. Parents out there, the commitment that it takes to do it.
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I.
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B
We've really only been doing it now for two or three years. Bree, my lovely wife also at some point was like, you know, I do hate that we're. Oh, timeout.
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C
Yeah.
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B
Parents. If there's kids in your car, turn it off. Turn it off for now or turn us back on. Back to it later. But if there are kids who Are. You know, just. You don't want your little ones to hear this part, right? Bree was like, I don't really love that we're lying. The.
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C
I love how you're whispering now. Like, they can.
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B
We don't love that we're lying to Jacob about Elf on the Shelf and Santa. And in the same breath, she's sending me Instagram videos about how we kid. Most kids only believe in Santa till eight or nine years old. We only got three years left. I took all that energy and I've channeled it into my Elf on the Shelf.
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C
You've been on fire, by the way. You've been on fire.
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B
Fire. Hundreds of thousands of views. I am getting some help from Instagram. I'm farming it out and putting my own spin. But now my goal is to have 24 days of just so awesome Elf on the Shelf.
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C
So by the way, great sauce. Great, great, saucy. I'm with you. That's the same for me. My question to you is, though, why are you starting it so early?
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B
That's a wonderful question.
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C
We usually do like a week before.
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B
Oh, really?
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C
I think. And again, that's. Honestly, dude, I'm. I've never been more proud of you in my life. Because Josie handles all of that for here.
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B
I'm getting encouragement. People are DMing me. Like, this is great. Keep it going. Like, don't just move. You are just getting from the table to the chandelier.
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C
Major brownie points, dude.
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B
At some point I'm going to run out.
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C
Is going to look real nice there come January 1st.
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B
At some point I'm gonna run out of stuff. Let's be honest.
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C
So I think so. Elf on the Shelf. I love it. I think it's great. I think it's just. It's. It's cute and like, and. And you and I are. Are in the same boat of like. I think Christmas is just such a fun time, I think because of our kids ages. Right. How's. How's the. How's the holiday season is nuts. Just. I feel like once you hit. Because we and I talked about this a couple weeks ago, like the Christmas trees and decorations were up like November. We had the date. Like the wives like picked November 15th or whatever hell that was. Trees are. We're actually decorating the tree this week, but okay. Yeah. So I feel like once Thanksgiving's over, it's all of a sudden your calendar is just filled up like everything. Are you for it? Are you against it? How do we feel about it? I mean, what's the holiday season. Like over there in Cleveland there is fifth.
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B
We went through this family calendar and then I want to get your. I don't know if this is leading into your sauce moment or.
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C
No, no, I'm just. I'm agreeing with you. My sauce moment is your sauce moment.
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B
We have 15. We have 15 Christmas things planned and Brie already screwed up. Check this out. And we're going to Wendy's. Thank you for giving us the time to talk about this. First one out of 15 was we were going to go to this. It was basically like Christmas. Like a Christmas carol. Sing along. At this theater downtown. And we get there and she misread it because it was actually the Cleveland orchestra. There's people in suits. There's not another kid to be seen in the whole place. And my boys are there in a. In a 80 piece orchestra wondering where Santa is. So we're 0 for 1.
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C
It's. It's. I mean there's only like Polar express.
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B
We go on a train ride.
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C
We did that.
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B
We go on a train ride. We have a brunch with Santa. It's. It's.
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C
Well, how do you have 15? There's only like less than 24 days and 15 events.
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B
Do the math. There's. There's plenty of time. Plenty of time. What we do for love, ladies and gentlemen.
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C
Yeah, love. Or just some of that free alone time that you're gonna get after with on the golf course.
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B
I'm. I'm hoping it translates.
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C
I hope Brie. I hope Brie because she's gonna listen to this and she's gonna, you know, like, I just wanna. I hope Brie just acknowledges just what a what. How much thoughtfulness goes into elf on the shelf. Because I acknowledge it about Josie. I think it's like I'm like you did. You wrote a whole letter. What? On Monday morning.
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B
She fully knows that I, I took what she started because she also had some births and has left me alone with this. I took busy what has started and now I'm. I'm trying to like Jordan flu game it. I'm trying to just put the team on my back, lead them to victory and move on. At the very least, I deserve some Wendy saucy nugs out of this whole thing.
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C
Jordan flu game of elf on the shelf.
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B
Shout out to Wendy's. Thank you very much and we are going to come right back with Josh Duhamel.
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C
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Watch triple option on YouTube or listen on Apple podcasts, Spotify or wherever you get your podcasts go and look, we're officially rolling so we don't necessarily have to start here. But Josh, do you remember you and I did play in that DirecTV beach ball thing together. I don't know if you remember how many times you played. And I absolutely destroyed a now mutual friend of ours, Kevin Dylan. I lit. It was like Justin Jefferson lighting up some deep, some, some DB they got off the practice squad. I lit him apart.
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Yeah. Sadly, Justin Jefferson would have been like a first grader when we played that.
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He might have been born, I think as his birthday was the year that we played in that.
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That was fun though. I don't, I don't, I don't remember them doing that after that year.
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They stopped it because I think it was always DirecTV. And then I think once DirecTV kind of doesn't have as big of a presence now. So super bowl week, they, they no longer do that. Matt, would you have a quarterback in one of those? Because you guys play some flat. You do something together right where you get to thrive. Will you throw?
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Well, I did, I did quarterback or I did play in that beach bowl, the Miami one. I was a coach of a team that won. I remember we coached, I coached Blake Lively and a bunch of other people's hystericals. I think it was like 2006 was that. Or 2007 was the Miami one.
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Wow.
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And then Josh and I played in this RX3 event down in Orange County. A lot of former quarterbacks. Aaron Rodgers a big investor in this company. Like guys like Josh Allen and it's pretty cool, dude. Like, it was like. And actually that's the last time I saw you. And I will just say we, we. I, I won. My team won that and I was fired up. It was like the, it was like the. Be the best team I've ever been on. It was an unbelievable team. Did you stay, did you stick around for the playoffs?
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I.
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I don't think you didn't see.
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You didn't see me hoist me.
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We had to get back. I don't remember. I don't remember sticking around for the whole thing, but I remember just watching, you know, even that the, the level of competition. There's some real players in there. I had one. There was one dude, one of the teams that literally wanted to fight. I haven't been that close to like an on field brawl my whole life until that, that little, that little, you know, flight football tournament. This kid was like up in my grill just trying to. I was like, what am I doing here? I'm like a 50 year old man, a sophomore in college, trying to pick a fight with me. Well, I was like, maybe it's time for me to go home.
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Well, I Mean, honestly, speaking of brawls, did you see. I know we're going to talk about your Vikings, but did you see the college football brawls this weekend? Did you get a chance to kind of just see all of the shit talking, everything that went down? It was pretty much every rivalry game had a. Had a flag planted or a punch thrown, which I think was kind of awesome. I got to be honest with you. It's kind of awesome.
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Well, you know, I think you got to know that when you're going to go plant a flag in the middle of the other team's, you know, home field, punches are going to fly.
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Yeah, I tried to think. I often try to find with this show, like, what's the intersection of, like, sports and pop culture and entertainment and acting? I can't really find any kind of Hollywood rivalry that could emulate anything. Like Ohio, Ohio State, Michigan. I know, like, the Rock and Vin Diesel and Fast and the Furious. There was, like, a thing.
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And Drake and Kendrick.
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Right. That would.
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That's.
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Well, that we got. That's a good one. That's the best one, right?
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I would say so. By far.
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Like, you didn't have any rivals, right?
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Yeah. Is there anyone that you just. You want. Just wanted to punch him in the face? Is there. Is there a guy out there?
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No, no, no. I've been lucky that way. Eric Dane and I almost got into it one time on a set, though. We laugh about it now, but it was, like, just a total misunderstanding. Let it do one of those little fake fights where, yeah, it gets all heated and he grabs me, I grab him. Well, I grabbed his tie by accident and, like, it pulled down and, like, tightened, and he's pushing me off. He's like, dude, I'm so sorry about that. But then we had to read, you know, reset and do it again, and sure enough, let's play again. And he got really pissed and it turned into, like, a thing. But we. We patched it up right afterwards. It was, you know, I wasn't trying to choke him out.
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Right. That's the most we get, Matt, we don't get.
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That was the best I could. I could come up with. What about you, Jerry?
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You know, I. I tried to really think that the. The extent of what I could come up with was we did have, like, a little beef with Seth Rogen on the show. We said some things on Entourage about him that were. Attempted to be funny. He didn't take it that way. But no, for us, we would try to organize, like, softball games versus the Office or Verse Scrubs. Find like one of the other comedies and be like, you know what, let's try to do something athletic. And we never actually got to it.
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Yeah.
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You know, I remember being younger, auditioning against the same three guys every time. And not that they were rivals and we were all nice to each other, but in my mind the competitiveness kicked in where I wanted to win and get the part. Fortunately, you hardly ever get the part in what we do, you know, so. Yeah, we don't got nothing, Matt. You guys are way, way cooler than us.
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We're. We're artsy farts like that.
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Yeah.
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Hey, you played ball. You played ball back in the day. We should jump right into that. I mean, talk about your. Your what? Your college career.
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Well, let's talk about your son's college career first. I heard he's going to smu.
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Yeah, Pretty cool, man. You saw him, I think at the, at the flag tournament. He was so. He was so. That would have been two years ago almost. So. Yeah, he was, yeah, a freshman or sophomore. And yeah, he just committed last month, so he's still got another year, but pretty wild. Like, Jerry and I talk about it on this all the time, just, you know, just being dads and like, like for me now for him to kind of, I don't even want to say follow in my footsteps because he's definitely paved his own way and he's really worked hard at this and he's kind of starting to embrace, like, hey, I'm going to be a football player and that's fine. But it's been really, it's been really cool because I just get to be a dad and watch him, you know, and obviously I give him advice and, and I've been through the ups and downs of sports and football at the highest levels, but it's pretty cool, dude. So, yeah, we're fired up and.
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Yeah, that's awesome.
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Yeah.
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You know, offline. I'm going to pick your brain about, you know, how you, how you do that. I got an 11 year old who finally is into sports.
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Let me know.
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Not football, not yet. He's actually getting into football a little bit, but he loves soccer.
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Soccer, yeah.
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And he just, he's just obsessed with it and he's gotten really good over the last couple of years. He was terrible actually the last year. He really improved. And it's like, how do you, like how much do you push or how much you let them sort of do their own thing? I think my 11 month old is going to be. He's going to be. My wife is 6 foot. He's probably going to be huge.
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Yeah.
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How do I start grooming him? How do I start grooming him right now to become a star quarterback? Matt Leiner. I do the tor. It was the. What was the quarterback at USC back in the day.
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Oh, you talk about. Oh, I know you're talking about Marinovich, right? Marinovich. His dad used to.
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I'm not. Dude, I'm not sure.
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When he was like 11 months old.
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Yeah, we don't want to go down that path, Josh. We don't want to go down that path. Listen, I have a, I have a three year old. I can already see it. And my three year old, My three year old has all the talent in the world. I just don't think he gives two shits yet. My five year old, not as much talent, but cares and like, is going to be good because he works hard. You and I will have a conversation because also like there's, We've talked about this too, like club sports and is your oldest play. Is he playing club soccer?
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He's about to try out for the first time this year. He's paying a Y right now.
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Okay. Yeah, it just gets, it's just, it's hyper competitive and I think it's like what is too much and what is. I like, I have a conversation with my brother all the time. I have an 11 year old nephew who's a really good baseball player. But club all this and I, and I just ask him because I get asked this question, I said, what's like, what is, what is the goal? Like, what is your end goal? Is it for him to be high school soccer? Is it to be college? And then you kind of can start to like mold and just kind of figure out like what's the best path for him to be the most successful high school soccer player or college, whatever it is. So I'll be happy to have that conversation. It's not easy, man. It's been hard. But it's also like, it's a lot of work and then, and then it's just, they have to love it, you know, they have to want to, want to put in the work.
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So if he righty or lefty, I.
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Forget he's a righty.
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He's a righty.
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He's a righty. Yeah.
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I remember, I remember when I was out there, I knew that he was your son. I was like, hey, I wanted to show off my arm.
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You guys were playing catch. I remember.
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No, well, not really because I threw one and went about 7ft over his head. I was like, you know what? That's it. Or I short armed into the dirt or something. I remember it was pretty embarrassing. He looked at me like, really? You played quarterback?
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I don't think, I mean, you played in college, right? So I don't, I don't know if a lot of people know that about you. What, what type of. And then I think I read somewhere where you almost went to dental school. Is that, is that it? So you're. This is like the craziest journey ever. It's like dental school, QB slash dentist, Hollywood star. Like, like how, how on earth did you get to this point?
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Oh man. Yes, it's all true. I played football at Minus State University. Go Beavers. I'm sure you've heard of it.
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Good logo, Good logo.
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Good logo back in the mid-90s. Loved it. I love, I love sports, love football. It was like my. I thought I was going to be a professional football player and then I realized I wasn't nearly good enough early on and then got my degree in biology with the intent to go to dental school and then moved to, moved to California. And I told my mom I was going because I wanted, I was going to try to get into dental school at either USC or, or UCSF or uop, one of those good dental schools. But I think I was just saying that because I really wanted to do this. I just didn't know how. And I wanted to like sniff around or you know, you know, dip my toes in the water and see, you know, what it was about. Because, you know, as you know, Jerry, I had no blueprint. I didn't know. I came straight out of North Dakota, as far from the entertainment industry as you can get. So. Yeah, but I fully planned to go to dental school and I took the DATs. I started applying the whole thing.
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You would have, I feel like you would have had a great practice and not trying to typecast you as a dentist. I feel like you have had a predominantly female clientele. I just feel like 25 year old Josh as a dentist, buttoned up, handsome guys. I feel like you would have had a lot of ladies. You had three cleanings this month. What are you doing back here? We just cleaned your teeth.
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Could you imagine how like, how different is it crazy how like one decision. Obviously you've, you had so much success, but it's like if you would have just maybe like, Jerry, like not stuck it out or you waited for an audition or a role and you're just like, you know, What? I'm over this. I'm gonna go to dental school. How different your life would be. That would, that would be crazy.
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Yeah, you know, it's, it. I think about that a lot. As far as, you know, when I hear somebody say if I just would have done this or that. But I think that, you know, I think that we make these decisions and it isn't one way or the other. I think that you. And it's not a right or wrong decision. I think that if you make a decision, you're going to make a lot of right decisions after that one. You're going to make some wrong ones. But, you know, if you just keep the intent of what you're trying to go do, you will eventually get there if you keep your eye on that target and try to keep it as specific as you can. I think I saw Peyton Manning say something like that one time where I never made a wrong decision because whenever I make a decision, I make sure that it's the right one. I do everything after that to make sure it's the right one, you know, and there's a lot to that.
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Yep.
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So it's not.
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It's not. People say it's not, you know, it's. It's who you know, or it's, it's the lucky break. But yeah, you'll get those. But then do you capitalize on that window of opportunity? Get one. And do you recognize that window of opportunity? Opportunity, you know, because oftentimes you got one right in front of you and you don't take advantage of it or you have a fear of success and you do something to self sabotage.
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I say that all the time.
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I've done that myself.
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You know, a lot of people say, ah, if I only had the shot. But sometimes they're caught up in something else and they don't realize that there's tons of shots right in front of them. If they could just clear their head a little bit. We're going to move on to a deeper football talk in a sec. I got one last selfish thing. My 5 year old now is super into Transformers, right. So. And we watched the old. I showed him like the old cartoon that I used to watch and stuff like that. But then I started, I hand picked clips to show him of the movie because some of it's not really appropriate for him just yet.
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Right.
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And this morning before school, I was showing him one clip and you pop on the screen. So forgive me, I'm like, that's your uncle Josh. Jacob, you haven't met him yet. So you don't even know you have a nephew. He's going to. Have you ever meet my son? He's like, that's my Uncle Josh who's in Transformers. But what I wanted to really quick ask on that because like, I've never really, I've never. I mean, I've auditioned for some franchise stuff, but what was that Transformers process? You talk about opportunity. You have to know in that moment, Transformers, they're launching this whole franchise. I'm sure there was so many people gunning for parts in that movie. You know, what was that? What was getting the part, that process like, for you?
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Well, I remember like it was yesterday. So I was meeting with two of his. Two of Bay's producing partners and. On a movie called the Hitcher.
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Sure.
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So I'm sitting there in this meeting, try to get a part on the Hitcher, and Bass sticks his head in and says, hey, just want to say hi. I'm working on this movie, Transformers remake of the. I was like, what? That sounds terrible idea. It's that cartoon from the 80s that's going to be an awful movie. That's so funny. But I do, I go over afterwards and I say hello. And he shows me some of the artwork that they have, some of the, you know, the preemptive sort of stuff that they'd been working on. And I was like, oh, now I get it. You know, it was a complete reimagination of what we knew as kids. And of course I really wanted to get the part. They had me in a little bit later, a month or so later to read for it and ended up getting the part and, you know, I ended up doing four of those things. Yeah, it was incredible. I mean, you know, Michael Bay gets a, gets a bad rap a lot of times because he's, you know, he's, you know, they say he's a screamer and he's a dictator and he's all these things, but he's awesome. He really is. He's a, he's a really fun guy to work with. He's. And part of that whole reputation he has fun with, he likes to lean into that a bit. But, you know, it was a, it was a good solid 10 years of my life pretty much on and off making those movies.
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Yeah, I feel like I'm, I'm lined up to watch all those a million more times with the way my five year old is, is trending.
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Boys love that stuff, man.
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Yeah.
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Yeah. I just, I just got him a. To sell a couple of decepticons. Like Dad, I need the bad guys now. And I'm always the. I'm always Megatron. All right, we're clearing the decks now because what we really wanted to talk to you about, your Minnesota Vikings.
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Oh, yeah, baby.
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Oh. Ten and two now. Yeah, he's holding up for those just listening. He's holding up a really cool Vikings. Purple and gold football. Yeah. Skull, look, two years ago, I'm sure you must have been excited and really, really good season. Coach had a great year. Lost to my Giants in that first round game. I did feel two years ago it was, I don't want to say fraudulent, because I don't want to take away from what they were doing. They're winning a lot of close games now. This year, they're doing the same thing, winning a lot of close games, but also they just have playmakers all over the field. And that defense looks insane. So how are you feeling about your 10 and two Minnesota Vikings?
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Well, I'll start with your boy. Daniel Jones is now Viking.
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That's why my Christmas present to you, we send you Daniel.
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There you go.
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Merry Christmas.
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You watch KLC turn him into an amazing quarterback.
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Exactly. Matt always says that.
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Dude, I tell him all the time, man, where you get drafted, it matters as a quarterback, that's for sure. Look at Sam.
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Everything. It's everything. I mean, look at. Look at what Donald's doing right now.
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The Red Hammer started.
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Started with the jets, then he went to the Panthers and, you know, they thought he was a bust, and he's turning out to be the player they thought he was going to be because he's in the right situation now.
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Yeah.
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You know, you get with the right coach and the right system and the right weapons around you, it can really change. I mean, the guy was drafted, what, fourth overall?
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I think third overall to say. Yeah, I think so.
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Yeah. You know, that's not by mistake. The guy clearly had a ton of talent, and now he's able to kind of show that off. And I think that a lot of those, you know, a lot of those licks that he took in New York and in Carolina help him sort of appreciate the opportunity. Now he's much smarter, he's probably a lot more humble than he was because he, you know, he understands, like, how difficult it is to find a home where you can succeed. But I'm stoked about it. You know, it's one of those years where I usually have huge hopes for this team. This year I had none because we're, you know, we didn't know. I didn't know if Darnold was. I kept hearing, don't sleep on Darnold. That's what they kept telling me from my friends over there.
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Right.
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And sure enough, he's been great. You know, McCarthy gets hurt. I just figured it was going to be one of those years. We just sort of build. But it's been fun to watch. You know, they're 10 and two now. Those lions are tough. That NFC north is, you know, it's ridiculous.
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I think it's the toughest division.
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Oh, it's three.
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Yeah.
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So, you know, I don't know if we're as good as the Lions, but we could beat them on the right day. Any given Sunday. You know, it's. It's one of those years. You don't know who's going to win it. You really. There's not one clear best team. I don't think. What do you guys think?
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Go ahead, Matt.
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You kicked that off.
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But, I mean, I have similar feelings.
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NFL is tough. And we. Look, I think the Lions, based on last year and then just how they're playing, I look at like, you got to have a defensive win and then are you balancing. Can you run the football in the playoffs, especially? And also Detroit's going to have home fields. I, I kind of feel like it's their year. I kind of rooting for them in that sense, in the same way that I'm rooting for Minnesota. I think you guys deserve to make a run and win a championship. I also like Buffalo, too, man. Like, I, I'm, I, I'm a huge Josh Allen fan. I always have been. And we know, I mean, he's a great dude. He's just like, he's a, he's just a beast. I love watching him play and I just kind of feel like maybe this is their year again. We say that every year. And then Mahomes, they do what they do in the playoffs, but I picked a Lions, a Lions, Bills, super bowl is what I'm. I'm predicting here.
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So I could see that. I could see that. I'm going to be at the Vikings packers game in Minnesota on the 29th. I can't wait for that.
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That's insane.
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We may take them, too. We play them where? At home or do we play them in Detroit? We got one more game against them.
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I think you have them at home. But oddly enough, because we talked about this last week, if Goff does get the one seed and even if they make the super bowl, he will have played three outdoor Games the entire year between playing in, like, Minnesota, in New Orleans, for the super bowl at home. Yeah, he would have played three outdoor games the whole year. So it makes the argument for some teams building a dome that are these outdoor teams, but I wouldn't do that in Buffalo. Like you mentioned Josh Allen, watching him play in the snow. That guy is built to play.
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Yeah, he's. He's a lot of fun to watch. You know, to go back to our point earlier, look at what golf is doing in Detroit. Talk about being in the right situation now. I mean, they were ready to write that dude off, too.
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Well, you talk well, Sam. Sam went from. I was just thinking he went to the Niners, too. So he played.
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So I told Jerry.
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I told Jerry O'Connell is fantastic. Obviously, Shanahan, if you're a quarterback and you look at, like, Daniel Jones, like, you go to these places just to, like, reset button, you get taught. Because I played for Kubiak in Houston, which was. Mike Shanahan was literally that whole offense. So I just know firsthand, like, the development and how they teach that position is just. It's just different. It's like. It's hard to explain, like, to people who haven't played the position, but it is just like. It's like a confidence booster. I don't know how else to explain it, but they teach it the right way. I played. I played for Denny Green. Rest in peace. Denny was great and he was, you know, obviously a Minnesota coach. Do you have. Those teams were, gosh, Culpepper, Moss. Do you have a favorite memory or a game or maybe as a kid, you know, I know you grew up in North Dakota, but a kid that. In that era of football for the Vikings.
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Oh, God, it's mostly. It's mostly, you know, the members are mostly heartbreak, to be honest. Remember, I think we were 15 and one with under.
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C
That's right.
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Yeah, I think you're right. We'll find out.
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With moth. And they just. They were stacked. They had just a ton.
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Robert Smith, I think. Robert Smith.
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Robert Smith. Culpepper. Or was. Yeah, it was Culpepper.
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Culpepper. Yeah.
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Anyway, you know. But I also have a lot of great memories. Just the last few years. There used to be a team that we always were just sort of like, what are they going to do? They're going to blow it. They're going to blow it. But they haven't been doing that under O'Connell, which has been fun to watch. You know, he's really got them believing they can win, and they should win, which is half the battle, as I'm sure you would probably attest to. And so I was at the. I was at the Minneapolis Miracle game.
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B
Oh, gosh, that was such. I remember where I was when I watched that game.
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Oh, God, that was unbelievable. I mean, I couldn't believe it. You know, we got Sean Payton. Like, they can't. I don't know if you remember the game, but they came. We were up the whole game back and take the lead with like 15 seconds left or whatever it was. And he's like. To the crowd, I'm like, this motherfucker.
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Yeah.
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A
And, you know, especially after what he already did, like back with the bounty gate years before that, I just. This guy just. He's not my favorite. He's got Denver rolling right now, though. But anyways. But that was. That was probably my favorite memory, especially in person.
- [48:36]
B
Diggs just crying. I remember they show, too, on Thanksgiving. Like this stat. Well, Randy Moss, three catches for 170 yards and three touchdowns. I rather read it like four times. I was like, wait, is that a real three? I didn't do the math here.
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A
Is that.
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B
Can you get that many yards on. Only on only three catches? Yeah. Moss was by far from me. And I'm not a giant Viking fan by any stretch, but one of my favorite players now for you this weekend is, you know. Yeah. And does Kirk Cousins coming back, does he get cheated? They're not going to boom, right? Kirk Cousins gets in the loss.
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A
I don't think they'll boot Kurt. He was. He become pretty. He became pretty beloved. You know, he had a great last couple of years there. I was. I was pretty critical, but I grew to really like the guy just because I felt like he was there. Were. He just. He. They paid him so much. I just felt like he was never winning the big ones, but he did start to win a lot of big games for him, you know, so I have to, you know, eat some crow and give him his props because he. He turned out to be a good quarterback. He struggled last week. I hope he does the same this next week.
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B
Yeah, you need one more week of those struggles.
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C
Did you see the QB on Netflix where they had. I don't know if you saw that, Doc. Yeah, I think it was cool to see because I know Kirk a little bit. It's cool to see kind of just peeling back the layers of, like, the everyday life of these guys. And you realize Kirk was like. I always. I always describe Stafford as like, one of the toughest dudes you'll ever see at that position. Just what he's enduring. Kirk is like that. Kirk has taken a beating over the years, and that dude just continues. He plays at a high level, man. Like, he, he always has. You know, he's a warrior. Dan's in that pocket, dude, and he's not that big. He just gets blasted.
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A
Yeah, I mean, I was, I was terrified at Minor State University. I don't know how you did that for as long as you did, Matt.
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C
Josh, I, I cover, I. I get to cover college football, which is awesome. And I see these college kids and I literally tell myself, I'm like. And I'm like, you know, I've lost like £20 since I played, but still, I was like, what was I thinking, man? Like, I don't know what else. And now my oldest, my. But I think it's like one of those things as we get older, I think you're like, you're just like, it's not like fear, but it's just like, as I got later in my career, I was like, man, like, I don't want to get hurt anymore. I just want to, like, you kind of like collect a paycheck and you just write it as long as possible, obviously. Whereas when you're young, you're just like, you don't really give a shit. You're just out there, you're getting blasted, you're getting up. And my son's. That my son doesn't care. I'm just like, man, I used to have that mentality, but now when I watch these kids, I'm like, dude, if I got hit right now, I'd break in half. I literally break in half. It's not fun.
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A
And you're not, you're not that far removed. Imagine being my 52 year old ass and trying to, you know, think about.
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C
But I'll say this, man, you are, you are. You are the most handsome 52 year old we know.
- [51:28]
A
Oh, thanks, man. I am in full hair and makeup right now.
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C
I do the salt and pepper. Salt and pepper is a good look.
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B
I did, I did text, I guess a mutual friend of ours. I know him a little bit. You probably know him much better. Nick Swartzen, who's the only other Vikings fan I know that's really all in. And I asked, I text him real quick. I'm like, josh is coming on. Who's a bigger Vikings fan for real, you or him? He said, me. Not even close. Not even close. Me. Ask him about tickle balls. That's the Only sport he knows, if you know sports. And that was. That was the most Swartz in text I think he could have sent back. Very on brand.
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A
He hates it when they mention me as a Vikings fan and not him. Oh, God, you're not even from Minnesota. What are you doing?
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B
You're from North Dakota, Josh. I used to live right on, like, Fountain and Holloway, where that Barney's Beanery is in West Hollywood. Right. During my single days, I used to walk from my apartment to that restaurant, Hugo's, it's called on Santa Monica Boulevard. Sometimes I go on a Sunday afternoon and I would walk. And if the Vikings were ever playing the late game out west, Swartzen would be at Barney's.
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A
Oh, yeah.
- [52:39]
B
Adrian Peterson jersey by himself sometimes, like just screaming at the tv. I. I really think he is number one definitely in Hollywood, but maybe up there all time Vikings fan.
- [52:51]
A
Yeah, he's a huge Vikings fan. That's how we bonded, really. We became. That's why when I first met him, he was. He's wearing a twins hat. And I was like, are you a twins fan? He's like, I'm from Minnesota. I was like, what?
- [53:01]
B
Before you cast them to that? How much did that factor into you casting him when you directed Buddy Game?
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A
Well, I'm obviously a huge fan of his too. I think he's hilarious. But it did make it easier, you know, convincing him to come do the movie. You know your boy Kevin Dillon. You know, I've gotten to know a lot of you guys. Now. The only one I don't know is Adrian, but I played golf with Kevin the other day.
- [53:23]
B
Oh, you did?
- [53:24]
A
So, yeah, I know the whole crew.
- [53:26]
B
With Connolly or Dale Connolly.
- [53:28]
A
Well, Connelly. Yes, Dylan yet. But, you know, we've done the two movies now with Dylan.
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B
Yeah.
- [53:35]
A
Nicest guys in the world, man. Really. I mean, Kevin. Dylan is just a sweetheart, isn't he?
- [53:40]
B
He. Yeah, we had him on.
- [53:42]
C
He's awesome.
- [53:43]
B
All of them on the pod a few weeks ago. We haven't even aired the episode yet because it takes, like four years to edit those guys because we just went for, like, two hours. So we're gonna drop that one.
- [53:52]
C
I was in heaven. Yeah, that was great.
- [53:54]
B
It really was awesome with those two. But then when I heard he was gonna do the movie with you, and then I saw Swartzen, I was like, oh, man, that's gonna be awesome. And that. And now, like, I can't even be in Buddy Games 3 if there's another one. You're not gonna cast me and Dylan Together. You wouldn't go down that road, would you?
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A
I'm thinking about doing a third, actually.
- [54:12]
C
Do it.
- [54:13]
B
Those are awesome movies.
- [54:14]
A
Well, I appreciate that. It's. It. Yeah. Hey, Matt, you. Well, here, let me. Before.
- [54:19]
C
Can I get like a 2 second camera?
- [54:22]
A
Let me pitch you the idea. So. So I want to call it Bloody Games and it'd be the last one. And it's like a think scream, you know, like a comedy horror. And we just kill every character brutally and hilarious.
- [54:36]
B
And who's gonna. I feel like you kill me in the Thai opening title sequence and then I feel like liner gets it after act one.
- [54:42]
C
No, actually I. I should kill some. I throw a football. I don't know. I should kill somebody. Like just some random, like, stupid way to die.
- [54:50]
A
That's all I did. So, honestly, I was thinking about that. It was actually Nick's idea, but I think it'd be fun. I don't know.
- [54:58]
B
All right, you don't have to cast me. All I want is. Can I just. Could you and I have a conversation about if Dylan doesn't survive and gets whacked? How we kill. How you kill Dylan. Can I just be in the writer's room for that, please?
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A
I'll take whatever he's. He's really gonna get it. I mean, he's gonna. This is going to be long and painful.
- [55:17]
B
Do like an homage to the Blob, maybe. Kevin famously was in the blob in like 79. We could do a Blob homage, dude.
- [55:25]
A
I believe how long that dude's been in the business.
- [55:27]
B
I. I think about that all the time. When he started Entourage, we're about. I'm like his age now. And by that point he was already Platoon, the Doors, like all the blah, all these crazy movies. And who knew that? He's also one of the funniest people around town. So.
- [55:48]
A
Yeah, he's a good dude. Really good dude.
- [55:50]
C
I gotta tell the story. I. This is good.
- [55:53]
B
I hope it's an acting story, Matt story.
- [55:55]
C
So it made me think of throwing a football at somebody. So I was. I was right out of college and I was in House Bunny, so one of Sandler's movies. So he reached out and I made a cameo with Sean Salisbury. So we're at. I'll never forget, dude is the funniest shit ever. So we're at the Playboy Mansion and we're shooting a pool scene and it's me and Salisbury talking. And then Anna Ferris comes in with whoever else, and this is like our whole thing. And then I There's one where I'm throwing a football to somebody, and then obviously. So this is after the scene. So now I'm practicing takes of throwing a football, and I have to drill this dude in the back in the pool or something. And, like, I'm like, there's, like, you know, hundreds of people there on set. Sandler's making fun of me, you know, whatever. And I'm just like, dude, there's a lot of pressure right here. And. No. And I swear to God, I couldn't make this up. I think I hit him the first time. Hit him, like, in the back. Like, the back. Right shoulder. Like, can you. Can you try and get a little more center? I'm like. I'm, like, probably 15 yards away, so it's not like a long throw, but I'm like, I'm gonna do my best, guys. So then I. The next throw, I swear to God, I just chuck it. It goes over the guy's head and it hits this. She must have been a Playmate. She was in a bikini right in the freaking square of the face, dude.
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B
You. Marsha Brady.
- [57:10]
C
Her. You remember. You guys remember Josh Richmond? Remember Josh Richmond? Josh Jerry does. Oh, yes, yes, yes. So anyway, Josh, a good buddy. He was there. He was right next to me, and it was like. I don't know. It was all Sandler's crew watch. And we were. I was like. I thought. I think it made the blooper outtakes, dude. It was the funniest ever. So my point is, is I have experience.
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A
Yes.
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C
Just. Just breaking someone's nose.
- [57:33]
A
Well, I'm. I'm curious how. What, did she get hurt?
- [57:36]
C
No, I honestly was like. Like, what's gonna happen, guys? Am I gonna get sued? Like, I had no idea. I was, like, 23 years old. Everyone was dying. She was fine, but it was like. It was bad. It was honestly, pretty bad.
- [57:44]
A
Yeah. Yeah. There's nothing. Nothing worse than that.
- [57:47]
C
See, that's horrible. I felt.
- [57:50]
A
You got a rocket for an arm, Matt. That's what happens.
- [57:52]
C
Well, if you're a little more accurate, maybe you. That's why they were. Sandler was like, are you kidding me, dude? You're an NFL quarterback. I was like, dude, I'm not. This is.
- [58:01]
A
This is.
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C
Yeah, dude. Anyway, good story.
- [58:04]
B
Josh was.
- [58:05]
C
If you need. If you need anybody, you know, I'm here. I'm here for you.
- [58:07]
A
All right, I'll remember that.
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B
Was there ever a sports movie or a football movie or something that you were up for that you didn't get or one that you really wished. Because I. I really think about sports movies all the time. I think they're in a lot of trouble because the documentaries are so good. So I feel like I don't know if we're really going to get script. I feel like they're all kind of cheesy now.
- [58:29]
A
Yeah.
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B
So I always try to sit around and think, what's a great scripted sports movie? And I still clearly haven't cracked it. But what were some of your sports movie influences? And then once you started your acting career, was there ever. Me, I always think, like, Rudy, that's probably the only role I could have played. An undersized linebacker for Matt's favorite school, Notre Dame. Anything for you that jumps.
- [58:50]
A
You look.
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C
You look like him.
- [58:52]
A
So, you know, I don't. Yeah. I mean, I always wanted to because it drives me crazy when I watch a movie.
- [59:00]
B
Oh, it's the worst.
- [59:01]
A
It's the worst when they can't throw or they can't dribble or they can't shoot or you can tell they never played the game.
- [59:06]
B
It's infuriating.
- [59:07]
A
It drives me crazy. And I see that a lot. I'm like, why the did not get a chance to play this? I can at least throw a football. Am I that bad of an actor?
- [59:16]
B
I got one. I got the movie. You would have crushed, I think. Have you ever seen the Replacements? I feel like you and the Keanu part, I mean, Keanu Reeves was great in it. He was alt universe. I feel like I think you were maybe a little younger than him at the time, like, so.
- [59:31]
A
Yeah.
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B
But alt universe, I feel like you in the Replacements or if you were slightly older, the Quaid part, and then you given Sunday, although he was already like the aging quarterback. I feel like you would have crossed casting you as a quarterback. Basically.
- [59:44]
C
I said Varsity Blues.
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A
That would have been good. You know, I love all those movies. You know, it's at this point in my career, I don't try to, you know, think too much on it because I. I'm just a. I would be a coach.
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B
Right.
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A
Or probably a coach towards the end of his career at this point. But, yeah, it was. It was. It was one of those things that I always wanted to do and I did a little bit of it, but never like a movie where I was a guy who played. He's a former quarterback, but there's not much football in the movie, you know, So I never got a chance to really do it, which would have been fun.
- [60:20]
C
Would you ever want to direct maybe a sports movie? Or.
- [60:25]
A
Well, I directed both of the Buddy Games movies and I'm about to go direct. Yeah, I'm about to go. So that was sort of sporty, but not really a sports movie. I would, you know, I would. But as you know, it's a, it's, it's a heavy lift. I thought that I wanted to direct and it's. And I'm about to go do one in January and man, it is five months, six months of all consuming, you know, from prep all the way through. All the way through, you know, delivering it and marketing it and the whole thing. So I gotta really love it. I gotta really love. I really. And I really do like this one I'm about to go do. It's about these two dads who are fighting to get their kid into this last spot in this, this pretentious preschool in London.
- [61:15]
B
And it's pretty realistic.
- [61:18]
A
Exactly.
- [61:19]
C
Welcome to my life.
- [61:20]
A
So it's. Yeah, exactly. So that's, that's about to happen. We've already started prep on that and we'll go, we start shooting I think January 27th in London.
- [61:30]
B
Awesome.
- [61:31]
A
So, so.
- [61:33]
B
Yeah, well also too, I mean I do want to talk to you a little bit before you go about Gatlin Health because I just turned 45. I'm another November birthday like yourself. And what's your birthday? November 25th. So just passed.
- [61:50]
A
Yep.
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B
I used to be real out of shape. I have a terrible reference point because my 20s, I was 200 pounds, I'm 5 6. And then I got in really good shape all throughout my 30s, got down to like 145. Really felt good. And now as I'm in my 40s, have been fine. I got the two little kids. So the workouts are a little shittier. The diet is not as good and I am just, I don't know, I'm struggling a little bit. Put on a few. But anyway, I know you are heavily involved in Gatlin Health, right. Which focuses on men's health. And I feel like a 45 year old chubby Italian dude is a perfect client for your company.
- [62:28]
A
Sounds like you need ev medication.
- [62:30]
B
Yes, I do. Yes. Please help. Send help.
- [62:34]
A
So no, yeah, we did. We started this company that we started. We're about to launch in January. We sort of soft launched right now. We're just sort of getting all the bugs worked out. But it's a telemedicine company really like along the lines of Hims and Roman. But you know, it's, it's one of those things that do I Want to be the face of testosterone replacement therapy?
- [62:58]
B
Right.
- [62:59]
A
That was my biggest question. Because I. Truthfully, I've been doing it now for five years, and it changed my world. I love it.
- [63:05]
B
Really. See, I have a million questions I gotta get.
- [63:07]
C
Yeah, me too.
- [63:08]
A
Gosh.
- [63:08]
B
Yeah.
- [63:08]
A
So. So TRT has been like. It's. It's. It's one of those things that guys don't want to talk about. There's a lot of shame around. It's got a stigma, and we want to destigmatize it and shine a light on it and make it okay. Because it is, you know, and it really does improve, you know, your quality of life. Because for me, too, and, you know, through my. Through my third, my 40s especially, I struggled.
- [63:30]
B
Yeah.
- [63:31]
A
And when they brought me this idea, my buddy knew that I'd been taking it, but I didn't know if I wanted to be that involved. But. Sorry.
- [63:42]
B
All right. That's how we know you're in la.
- [63:45]
A
Exactly. So, yeah, it's been. So. It's become a huge part of what I've been working on over the last several years now. Just, you know, launching a company like this, a big deal, all the FDA compliance stuff, all of the, you know, it's a medical company, but I truly believe that we're going to be able to change a lot of dudes lives. We're going to offer trt. We offer these longevity stacks, which include like, metformin, Rapamycin, all these things that sort of slow the effects of aging. And then we'll do all the things that hims and Roman do. You know, hair growth.
- [64:22]
B
Ed.
- [64:23]
A
Yeah, I'm the face of a company that sells ED medication.
- [64:28]
B
Hey, we're gonna get them on as one of our sponsors. Sue, what are you talking about?
- [64:31]
A
Every time you get a woody, every time you get a woody, you'll think of me.
- [64:34]
B
Jerry, Liz. I will say the. The vid. No. Some of the videos that you've put out, though, where you're just talking it. I think it's such a smart way to go because it doesn't feel like a commercial. It doesn't feel like, hey, here's, you know, Josh trying to sell something. You. You put it in your own words. I think the thing that stuck out to me was you said, like, you know, you're still a kid at heart, and that guy. That kid's in there. You just gotta help unlock them. And I do. I think that helps with destigmatizing.
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A
So it hits, and I think, thank you. I think there's a lot of guys out there who are feeling it, but they don't really know. I mean, you can actually remedy it. That's the thing is we don't have to get old, you know, at an earlier age than we need to. You know, we can. You can be, you know, athletic and strong and, you know, all the things that you were when you were in your 30s, well into your 60s, even 70s, if you take care of yourself. So we're not. We don't want to just be a company that, you know, doles out pills. We want to be. We want to be an overall wellness company, too. So if you're taking Ozempic or the GLP ones or the semaglutides or trizepatides, you don't want to just lose the weight and not have a plan to go with that, because then you just look like a skinny, fat dude. Yeah, you want to be. You want to still, like, work out. You want to retain that muscle mass and. And, you know, you want your wife to still want you, man. You know, I got a wife who's, like, quite a bit younger than me, and that's the big reason I'm doing it.
- [66:00]
B
Good for you.
- [66:01]
A
So he doesn't kick me out of the bedroom.
- [66:04]
B
Listen, Josh, you're the best. Good luck with the movie in January.
- [66:08]
C
Yeah, thanks for joining us, buddy. It's good to see you, man.
- [66:10]
A
Later, dudes.
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B
Later, man.
- [66:11]
A
Thanks for having me.
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B
All right, it's time for money moments presented by our good friends over at Cash App. Sending, spending, saving, splitting, tipping, donating, gifting, or just typing numbers, all with the number one finance app in the app store. That's money. That's Cash App. I feel like I'm going to be using them a lot this Christmas season. But we're looking for our money moment now. Matt, what is the throwback money moment this week?
- [66:40]
C
Well, it's. It's a quarterback, and we just talked to Josh about sort of quarterbacks getting a second chance, whether it's going to a new franchise or maybe, you know, backing up and then getting another opportunity, and then what do you do with that opportunity? Right? That's kind of what life is about. Bryce Young, to me, is my money moment. And, you know, this kid, honestly, like we might have talked about on the pod, was down and out six weeks ago. Like, we were just like, is he going to get traded? What's going to happen? Is he a bus? Like, all of a sudden, I've lived it. Like, all of a sudden you start getting labeled with that this dude and I pulled this up because it was pretty fascinating, right? He gets bench for Andy Dalton not playing well and then Andy and then Bryce Young gets back and the last four games, five touchdowns, a pick, almost 900 yards passing. He's led his team to a game tying or game winning drive in all four games and four the five starts. Third highest graded passing quarterback since week nine. And this was a kid who literally, you watched him on the sideline and you look like someone just died in his fan. Like it was just sad, right? So proud of him. I'm proud of just kind of taking, taking the month to kind of sit back and then all of a sudden, hey, when you get another opportunity, go ball, go let it rip. Who gives a right? And that's what he's doing. And now he's got a chance to be the guy next year. Maybe he's got a chance to go somewhere else and compete. So that's my money moment, man. He's been balling.
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B
I, I'm with you. That is such a money moment because you even saw it a little bit with Anthony Richardson. Is this now a thing that we didn't used to see, but we're going to see more of where hey sit for like a few weeks and let's see if we can get this back. It's so smart when you think about it.
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C
Well, the problem is, is, and we, when we had Kurt Warner on the same thing, it's like these kids just get, they get drafted and they, they're expected to play week one and they're just not ready. Most of them aren't ready. And I mean look at Caleb, like Caleb's playing well. Jane Daniel, like, like. But then you still go through growing pains, right? And it also depends on where you play. So it's like sometimes it's good to go in and just learn and back up and take the mental reps and just learn the game and learn that, learn the week to week preparation, understand how it all works and then when you do get the chance to play like you have all the talent, then you go play and like sometimes it works out, sometimes it doesn't. But a lot of these, a lot of these high drafts get thrust into a situation where it's just like, dude, you're doomed for failure. So for him to come back and ball and just take advantage of this last month is, it's awesome, man.
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B
This got me thinking. We're gonna do some fun awards that are more so sports awards but with Hollywood and acting because I Started thinking, all right, who's a great comeback story like Bryce Young in Hollywood? There's no one currently that I could think about where it's happening, but just some in the past that stuck out to me. Travolta. Travolta was, I'm not going to say down and out because he had a lot of success early, but then he hit this wall and then Tarantino with Pulp Fiction revitalizes him. Downey Jr certainly, again, amazing actor, had a lot of success. Young. It just wasn't working out. And then Iron man has. That's probably the greatest comeback in the history of Hollywood. And now he's going back into the Marvel universe. But yeah, it's just a good story you like to see. I guess the risk is if Bryce comes back and it looks even worse, then you're like, all right, well I guess as an organization then you kind of know what you might have to do. But now I think it makes the Carolina situation really interesting going into the draft.
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C
Well, that's what I was going to say. It actually makes it more challenging for them because now it's like, hey, this kid maybe just needed like a step back, kind of reset and now all of a sudden you can see the potential and you can see why they drafted him that high. But then do you, you know, do you, do you pass on maybe? And I just say that for this draft, you know, I think Shador is, is the number one. And there's a lot of quarterback needy teams at the top two of them in New York. Yeah. As you know, the Raiders are up there. Maybe the Saints like Carol Carolina are they. Or maybe, maybe they like him enough and they may be bringing a vet to compete. But then they go get a really good player like, like they're going to. It almost puts them in a little conundrum. But I'm, but you know what? Good for good for Bryce, like that's what you're supposed to do. Make it, to make it difficult on the organization. So I'm happy for him, man.
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B
He deserves shout outs to cash app. And my money moment already look is now for next year. I already have it. It's the NFL draft because there's, there's good quarterbacks. Not sure fire ones and a lot of teams that need quarterback. There's be a lot of action in that in the draft, by the way.
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C
Just real quick, real quick, real quick, how do we just. How do we feel about Danny Dimes just being gone? I mean we talked about this for a long. You've Been with him now for what, four or five years, and he's just gone.
- [71:27]
B
We just got that. We teased Duhamel that that was our Christmas present to him, but I'm not gonna lie, it's, like, wiped from my brain because it's so many other problems with the Giants. There's so many other problems. I don't know if our coach is staying, if our GM is staying. I don't know if Dexter Lawrence is going to start complaining about wanting out. Nate. I don't like Neighbors has been unshakable in media. And finally with Daniel Jones, lost it a little bit, but more so with Dable. Like, why am I not getting the ball? So there's so many other things. Like, Daniel Jones has already been wiped from my memory, and I'm. I have zero doubt he's going to turn up somewhere next year. Maybe New Orleans, maybe Oakland. Who the hell knows? With a little O'Connell in his life and he might be good. Who knows?
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C
I was going to say, like, Saquon just having. We always knew Saquon was good. Right? I mean.
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B
Right. But Darnold is the best example. Like, jets cut bait.
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C
And now Jones goes and, like, wherever he ends up and he balls or he's like, I mean, how pissed of the Giants it's gonna be. It's gonna be hilarious.
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B
You know, it's gonna happen. If the NFL is for sure gonna happen. That's what's gonna happen.
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C
Oh, man.
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B
All right, well, yeah. Again, shout outs to Cash. Appreciate you. And now it's time for our throwback three, Our best brawls. We did talk a lot about Malice in the palace last week, so we're going to leave that one out.
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C
Probably a number.
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B
Yeah, yeah. Change the course of sports in a lot of ways. So we're gonna go a little off the menu on that level, but what do you got, man?
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C
Okay, so this was interesting because there were some that I remember, and then there's some that I was. I gotta be honest with you. I was just online. I was just like, oh, my God, that was great. Oh, I remember this. Oh, this was awesome. So this could easily be number one for me. And. But it's number three is Orioles, Yankees, 1988.
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B
Oh, 1988.
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C
Yeah. Am I wrong? Am I wrong on the year 88 or 90?
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B
I don't know. Which one you got? Which one?
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C
I'm going Benitez.
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B
Yeah, that's 98.
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C
Okay, 98. My bad, my bad. That was a typo. Okay. So the reason why I love this is because the end is like when Strawberry just comes in. And Daryl was one of my favorite players growing up, and he was one of the very few players that got his autograph, I think, when he was with the Mets. Anyways, Benitez, I, I wrote some notes on this because I was like, okay, so Yankees first, Orioles last place umpires. I don't even remember this. Umpires before the game called this and said, there's going to be a brawl. There's something brewing. Get ready. Because they were ready to toss everybody out. Benitez gives up a home run to Bernie Williams, right? Then Tino Martinez comes up and he just, just, just shoves her right up his back fastball. Then all of a sudden, you know, brawl comes out. Then the two pitchers from the Yankees bullpen come in and start trying to get to Benitez. The best part of it, I just teased it with strawberries. All of a sudden, things are kind of calmed down and they're right by the dugout. And then you just see freaking Daryl Strawberry flying in with like a left haymaker and knock Benitez out. It was like the greatest, like, no, look punch I've ever seen. Total, like, like, honestly, total cheap shot. But it was awesome. So that's my number three, man. I mean, and it's baseball brawls are the best.
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B
And that one too, if you want to really relive it. And I know I referenced the Jeter doc, the Captain over and over on the show, but you hear Strawberry talk about it, and I think to this day, if he can get his hands on Benitez, he would. Oh, yeah, you know, he.
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C
He cut everybody listening. Just go on YouTube, just pull it up. Because he just cold clocks him right at the end. I gotta. Nowhere.
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B
Go rewatch. You know what? Go rewatch the whole thing.
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C
Go.
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B
Yes, YouTube it. Watch the whole thing because that's on.
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C
A rabbit hole this week. Dude, I was down a rabbit hole.
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B
Strawberry said. I think he said, if Tori didn't pull me off, we'd still be in the dugout fighting. And you could you see him, like, run around the hole brawl and just make a beeline? Yeah, that was good. All right, so mine is going to be a little homer Y, because it just is what it is. But I was at this one. I was in the building and I was sitting courtside. So it was a Knicks game, Knicks Nuggets. Before Mello was a Nick, he was a. He was on the Nuggets. I was sitting next to George Carr. I was sitting next to Fat Joe And I forget who else.
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C
The Yankees.
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B
You know, my, my superhero ability is I could tell you when a fight's going to happen. 30 seconds before I think I was with my brother. I leaned over to him, I said, some, some bad shit's going to happen. Isaiah Thomas was the Knicks coach. Nuggets were up by 40. Junior Smith on fast breaks is doing alley oop to himself. Double pump dunks. They're just running up to score. Isaiah Thomas, you see it. He goes over to Marty Collins, who's the 12th man on the bench, whispers something to him and sends him in the game. Junior Smith gets on another breakaway and then boom, he hits them. They start out the Nate Robinson Little. 5, 9. Nate Robinson comes and tackles Junior Smith into the first row. Now, I already backed away, but our whole row started moving away from the fight. And then Marty and then Jared Jeffries is going over there to try to break it and mellow from behind. Might be all time. Biggest soccer punch ever. Just turns around, just whack, overhand writes him. Jeffries took it well, but that was a real. And that was like a regular season game in February didn't mean nothing. And I was there for it. So that one that had to be.
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C
To be there for a fight like that has got to be awesome again.
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B
That's how I know what Malice in the Palace. I was already telling my brother, like, we should get the fuck out. We should get out of here. Yeah, we need to go. We need to go. This is going to get bad.
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C
All right, I'm staying. I'm staying. Baseball. One of my favorite players growing up. And I don't know if you saw the doc of the Nolan Ryan doc. Oh, yeah, absolutely. Actually kind of just like talk. Like, like, not a ton of personality in that doc, but it just made you love him more. Just like the dude was all business. So obviously I'm going. Robin Ventura, Nolan Ryan. And like the brawl broke out. It was really mainly those two guys. 1993. The cool thing about this was Ryan was 45 or 46 years old. So he was, he was your age, dude. Think about that. And Robin was 25 or 26. Obviously hits him and Ventura takes a couple steps and just charges. And I, I love, I love, like, I love when big. When big ass pitchers are just like, bring it on, let's go. Like, all right. Like, let's go. Like, let's rumble. He gets Ventura in a headlock and just starts throwing uppercuts, like three or four upper clutch. And then like, honestly, I think it kind of, like, died out soon after. But just like, watching that doc made me love Nolan Ryan because he was, like, part of my. I was a pitcher growing up, so it's like, my baseball was my favorite sport and he was one of my favorite players. But for him to do that at 46 years old and just, like, honestly, just not give a. And just say, like, dude, come at me. It's got to be the best feeling, dude, on the mound, just knowing that you're going to throw out a guy and he's coming at you and let's go. Like, let's go one on one.
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B
Also, you gotta think for Robin Ventura. Maybe that's why we don't see him on tons of podcasts. Like, that's such a rough look.
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C
It's a terrible look.
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B
Dude, honestly, charge out there. You're the young guy. You go like, up against the leg. First of all, like, you're charging a guy. I mean, still a great athlete. Definitely up there in years. I'm sure he hates talking.
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C
No. 1, Ryan's like six, four. Like, it was like six, five. Like, two. Like, he's like this Nolan Ryan, and he's just a great. Just big text, dude. Just big text. Just. Just upper. Yes.
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B
I didn't know Ryan punch like a four. Like, I imagine, like, that's how I. If I, God forbid, had to get into a fight, I'd, like, go for that headlock.
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C
Yeah. Usually, like, when they. When they charge them out, it's like, you know, maybe they'll wrestle a little bit and like, someone gets thrown in the ground and then it's like, you know, like, it's chaos and it's over. Like, this was one where he was just getting shots in before everything came. Let's freaking awesome.
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B
My number two. I'm going to go into the boxing world for a moment. Now, there's quite a few you could choose from that involve Mike Tyson a little bit, but it was Mike Tyson. Andrew Gata, if you have not seen that fight, ladies and gentlemen, listening to throwbacks right now, go check it out.
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C
I.
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B
There was some warnings and disqualifications. Tyson, basically, there's a very famous photo of Tyson flexing and the other, like, from behind, overhead. And the other side of the photo was, like, 40 cops and people from Galata's camp just looking like, like, terrified. Someone got hit in the head with a walkie talkie. It was complete and utter mayhem. And that's where one of those moments where you believed with Tyson, like, all right, this dude is just about destruction. So I Had to go in the boxing world. And I want to point out I don't know if you're going to hockey for your number one.
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C
I am.
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B
I know. Okay, good. Because there's about a thousand. And I didn't go that route because you could fight in hockey, which is always bad for me that. But it's almost like the one sport where you're carrying around a weapon and that's the sport where you're allowed to fight, by the way.
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C
Like you're allowed to fight. It's so.
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B
But hockey's got a lot.
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C
I have no idea where you're going with number one. I would say like there was a lot of kind of cool like NASCAR fights that are kind of like crazy and like underrated. I had Lakers Celtics back when Mikhail clothesline Rambis which really didn't end up in a brawl. But it was like Larry Bird was talking in the paper before that game. That was one. I don't know if you're going there. So I am going Red wings avalanche in 97. So I was 14 years old and I was at about 10 years old. I was a die hard hockey fan. So baseball this. But like I love the LA Kings. That's how my love came for the Kings. Like I think in 93 or 94 is when they made the, the cup run against the Canadiens and they lost. So I was just like I was a big hockey fan in the 90s and I just watched this. It might have been a 30 for 30 or a doc, but it was on this whole fight. And I remember watching, I think last year I was like, holy. Like this is the greatest brawl in the history of sport. So it started in 96 when Claude Lemieux just laid out Draper and broke his face. Like right, like, like. And Claude Lemieux like and really started this rivalry because they ended up playing each other in the playoffs, all this kind of stuff. Game 6, 96, Western Conference finals. He did that. And then in 97 in March, it was kind of like this lead up. They were playing each other and you just knew, right? You like when they, when the guys talk about on the doc you're like, we knew something was going to happen and we're going to be ready. So Darren Mc. I think I don't know how like Lemieux, whatever, they're starting to fight and McCarty just comes out of nowhere and just absolutely just, just decks him. The best part about it was the goalies. Patrick Wall and Vernon.
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B
Yeah, I remember this.
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C
The hockey, remember that the hockey like, hockey fights are. Are great because a lot of them are premeditated. Like, have you ever talked to a hockey guy?
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B
Oh, they know.
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C
You know, they're like, hey, you want to get into it? Like, you ready? And then they'll just, like, start throwing. And it's awesome, right? Like, people love it. This thing. You just knew it was like, goalies, defenseman, like, it was like, you better keep your head on a swivel. And wa. Versus Mike Vernon, I think. Yeah, just like, just beeline for each other like that. Goalies. And everyone's just throwing haymakers, dude. It's like. It's the greatest. Like, sports melee outside of Malice in the palace, in my opinion. That was like. It's just like. And that. And also, like, I just think hockey fights are the best. So that's my number one man. Like, that fight was incredible. And then just goalies just like, fuck it, man. We're all dropping gloves and we're going, yeah, the hockey.
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B
We could do a whole separate one.
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C
I mean, the hockey. There's millions of them. So I'm curious to see where you go.
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B
Well, there was. I was. I was leaning potentially.03 Yankees, Red Sox brawl. That's the one where Zimmer gets thrown to. Only because that. I think that sparked the Yankee win. But then in 04, the combat, like the. You know, the a Rod Veritek fight, that sparked it the other way. So I don't want to touch that because I think ultimately the Red Sox won that. Those two brawls, because it led to crazy, you know, crazy run for the Sox. So my number one going back to the Garden, it's Knicks, Miami Heat, 1998, with a game with Zoe and Larry Johnson squared off, and it ends up with Jeff Van Gundy hanging from Alonzo Morning's leg.
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C
It's such a great clip.
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B
It's a great clip. It's a great game. The game was already in hand, but another one of those where you. You felt it happening. Remember, Larry Johnson and Zoe played together in Charlotte. They were teammates on the Hornets. So, you know, you thought there would have been some love.
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C
That's two big old dudes, too.
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B
I know, but Zo. I mean, Larry Johnson was jacked.
- [84:10]
C
I mean, Zoe.
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B
Yeah, Zoe was that, but, like, five inches bigger. So. But that brawl was unbelievable. And obviously the Knicks going around. But what used to suck is, like, the Knicks were the first team. I want to say I think it was a different Miami Heat series with a brawl years before where players, you. You know, that's where like the leave the bench thing and you get suspended came from. And the Knicks were heavily penalized and ended up losing a series. Not 98. A different year where you guys just left the bench. And then they got suspended for like game five, the deciding game. So. But yeah, that one. Cause then, you know, the Knicks go on a pretty good run after that.
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C
So, you know, it's a great basket. That's great. I looked up was. Remember when Shaq went after Barkley and.
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B
I didn't like their. I think Barclays mom called Shaq at halftime or something like, you two stop fighting.
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C
It was just funny because now they're like, you know, they're on the show and they're best friends. And that came up on. And I watched it and it was like, I think Barkley threw the ball at him or something. And then Shaq just. And then they're both on the ground wrestling. Like, talk about two. Like, Charles is Charles about six, five, but Charles is massive human being.
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B
I'll tell you who should have started a brawl with Shaq, even though he might have lost that too. I think one of the most savage posterization disrespectful. Get dunking on someone was Shaq dunking on former Nick Chris Dudley. I don't know if you remember this clip. Go Google. If you don't remember, you'll recognize. You see he dunks and then swings his leg and. And just like embarrassed to the point where Dudley just picked up the ball and threw it at Shaq, but didn't want to fight.
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C
By the way. That's a great humiliating. Best posterized.
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B
One of them's got to be Vince Carter. But we should.
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C
He's got it. Yeah, that's a good one. That made me think of Andrew Bynum dunking on Shaq. A young Andrew Byman dunking on an older Shaq. They were kind of talking, you know, because he was center.
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B
There's.
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C
There's a lot better ones than that. But that. Yeah, yeah.
- [86:07]
B
And you don't see that at all. I mean, Anthony Edwards catches a lot of bodies, so he does.
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C
All right, listen, everyone. Will everyone listening watching, like, send us your best brawls, man. Tag us at throwback show because.
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B
And yes, send the hockey ones. Don't be afraid. We didn't ignore it. Matt picked it as his number one. And I forgot to point out earlier. Follow us at Throwback Show. Subscribe to us on YouTube. Throwback Show. We do respond to you. No other show does. We do it. That's a good one. On to Christmas event number two of 15.
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C
Stay strong, brother. Stay strong.