NBA Talk with Evan Turner

Summary

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Throwbacks with Matt Leinart & Jerry Ferrara

Episode: NBA Talk with Evan Turner
Release Date: December 4, 2025
Guests: Evan Turner (Former NBA Player, Podcaster)
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Main Theme & Purpose

This episode dives deep into the current landscape of the NBA with special guest Evan Turner—former #2 NBA draft pick, Ohio State legend, and emerging podcast voice. Matt, Jerry, and Evan riff on the NBA's shifting power balance toward international players, behind-the-scenes locker room stories, basketball culture, memorable “wasted” superstar talents, and how pop culture intersects with sports. The tone is unfiltered, nostalgic, hilarious, and sharp, giving fans both insight and off-the-cuff banter.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Introduction & Quick Banter

• Jokes about the rarity of white players in the NBA, tossing out names like Dante DiVincenzo and Peyton Pritchard.
• Jerry laments never having real school pride like Matt’s USC hoodie moment ([00:43]).

2. NBA International Takeover

• Discussion: The All-Star game’s new USA vs. World format and the dominance of international talent.
• Matt: “The top five players in the NBA arguably are all European.” ([02:54])
• Jerry proposes an Olympic men's basketball hypothetical: Is Team USA still the favorite for gold in 2028? Both hedge, noting the thinning US talent pool (Curry, LeBron, KD likely retired).

Notable Quotes

• Jerry: "I'm like, caught up? Luka, Wemby, Jokic, Shai, Giannis—that's five best players in the league." ([32:38])
• Matt: "They're beating our ass, dude." ([32:54])
• Evan (on the new rivalry): “I like to see that type of stuff...America against the world.” ([32:55])

3. NBA All-Star Voting & Fan Bases

• Jerry explains how SGA (Shai Gilgeous-Alexander) gets more votes than, e.g., Knicks players: "The whole country of Canada votes for SGA. Not just Oklahoma City." ([04:14])
• Discussion on Canadian NBA stars and fan engagement.

4. The "Wasted Talent" Debate (Wendy's Fresh Take of the Week)

• Who's the greatest superstar “wasted” on a bad team?
  • Matt's pick: Mike Trout (“One of the greatest of all time...never going to win a World Series.” [07:02])
  • Jerry's pick: Calvin Johnson (“That was the best player to be on the worst teams and that's Calvin Johnson. It's not close.” [08:21])
  • Honorable Mentions: Barry Sanders, Don Mattingly.

5. Evan Turner Joins the Show ([10:28])

• Welcoming Evan, joking about his social media, TikTok fame, and the evolving athlete-turned-podcaster space.

Key Moments

• Evan: “I'm always supporting it. Just living the dream, man. Good to be here with y'all.” ([10:32])
• Matt: “You know you’re old when people recognize you for TikTok, not for playing football.” ([10:53])

6. College Rivalries & Recruitment Stories

• Michigan-Ohio State rivalry for both football and basketball.
• Evan reflects on his recruitment: “I was in the class with O.J. Mayo, Derrick Rose, Kevin Love...they took all the money, by the time it got to me, it was like, we got bus fare and a meal card." ([12:17])
• Hilarious Notre Dame recruiting visit story: Evan only attended USC-Notre Dame because his AAU coach insisted; experiences the famous "Bush Push" game.
  • Evan: "Some white lady next to me says, 'You come to Notre Dame, we burn couches'—what the fuck does that mean?" ([18:06])

7. Memorable Sporting Events & Spectator Experiences

• Evan’s most memorable sporting event: European soccer finals and Steph Curry’s 2016 Game 7 comeback vs. OKC.
  • “Steph Curry is unbelievable to see in person...giving me chills.” ([19:19])

8. Klay Thompson, NBA Player "Trolling," & Social Media Culture

• Debating public perception of Klay Thompson, player feuds, and why only NBA players seem to troll each other online.
  • Evan: “Clay's an unbelievable dude, but sometimes he pokes the bear...people want to see him come down from his throne.” ([23:52])
  • “NBA is the only sport that trolls each other online; in football, you could actually get hurt.” ([25:47])

9. Building the “All-White, Non-Euro” NBA Team

• Matt’s proposed lineup: Austin Reaves, Chet Holmgren, Knipple, Tyler Herro, Alex Caruso.
• Debated by Jerry and Evan for legitimacy.
  • Evan: “You got to go get Dante Divincenzo, bro.” ([35:04])
  • Peyton Pritchard gets “honorary black” status from Evan ([35:45]), inciting laughter.

10. Hoop Dreams & Athlete Life Lessons

• Evan attended the high school from the documentary “Hoop Dreams.”
  • “Gene Pingator was like a father figure...that was a big part of my childhood.” ([41:18])
• Discussion on the emotional depth and impact of “Hoop Dreams” and athlete journeys.

11. Entourage’s Impact on Athletes

• Evan resonates with the “Vincent Chase moment”—relating his NBA career struggles to Entourage’s plotlines.
  • “When I was looking for signs, like, if Vincent Chase can do it...so can I.” ([44:25])
  • “It kind of humanized what we were going through as athletes...it was okay to be yourself as opposed to be a brand.” ([45:34])

12. Eastern Conference: Who’s Coming Out?

• Jerry asks which East team Evan believes in.
  • Evan: “I'm a Celtics fan...But...I really think the 76ers, if they get it together, can make it to the Eastern Conference Finals...Maxey's on a different level, bro. Every time, he's scoring everything.” ([48:17])

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Notable Quotes & Moments

On Internationalization of the NBA:

• "The world players have really caught up—caught up? Luka, Wemby, Jokic, Shai, Giannis—that's five best players in the league." – Jerry ([32:38])
• "They're beating our ass, dude." – Matt ([32:54])
• "I like to see that type of stuff…America against the world.” – Evan ([32:55])

Evan on NBA Trolling:

• "You can't argue with 22 year olds. They'll fight over cereal." ([24:29])
• "NBA is the only sport that trolls each other. In football, you could actually get hurt." – Matt ([25:47])

On Calvin Johnson’s Career:

• "How do you take a receiver like that…putting up 1700 yard seasons. No playoffs…not even in hunt." – Jerry ([08:21])

On Social Media & Player Reputation:

• "I started trolling [Klay Thompson] and everything I saw in the comments for a year." – Evan ([24:38])

On “Hoop Dreams:”

• "Gene Pingator was like a father figure up until I died. Hoop Dreams is the reason why I went [to St. Joseph's]." – Evan ([41:18])

On Entourage's Influence:

• "It humanized what we were going through…helped me understand my agent, my friend group, how to be unapologetic living my life." – Evan ([45:34])

On the East Playoff Race:

• "I really think the 76ers, if they get it together, can make it to the Eastern Conference Finals…" – Evan ([48:29])
• "Maxey's on a different level, bro. Every time, he's scoring everything. Looks like a highlight tape." ([49:24])

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• NBA International Takeover: ~02:39–04:28, revisited at 32:00+
• Wasted Talent Debate: 06:09–09:39
• Evan Turner Joins: 10:28
• Recruiting Stories & Rivalries: 11:08–14:36
• USC/Notre Dame & Big Games Discussion: 13:42–19:06
• NBA Social Media Trolling / Klay Thompson: 23:16–26:44
• "All-White, Non-Euro" NBA Lineup Debate: 34:03–37:08
• Hoop Dreams & St. Joseph's roots: 41:11–43:00
• Entourage & Athlete Mentality: 44:25–45:34
• NBA East Playoff Picture: 47:55–50:47

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Additional Memorable Segments

• Matt and Evan share hilarious stories of past recruiting and big game pressure—especially the inside scoop on the “Bush Push” at Notre Dame.
• Playful takes on NBA player reputations and the mental game of “trolling,” both on and off the court.
• Honest reflection on hardships—Evan relating his NBA career uncertainty to TV drama, showing the human side of athletes.
• Spirited arguments about building a “white American NBA starting five” (with nearly as much enthusiasm as Olympic roster debates).
• Shout-outs to underappreciated legends from all sports, linking nostalgia to modern dilemmas.

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Overall Tone

• Energetic, unfiltered, often irreverent—intended for fans who enjoy honest stories, sharp opinions, and plenty of laughs.
• Evan Turner shines as a guest by being candid, witty, and unafraid to poke fun at himself or NBA culture.

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This summary captures the essential conversations and character of the episode, providing enough detail to give a full flavor of the banter, opinions, and inside stories, even for listeners new to the show.

Transcript

[Evan Turner]

You got to go get Dante Divincenzo, bro.

[Matt Liner]

By the way, there's only, like, eight white guys in the whole NBA.

[Jerry]

Peyton Pritchard.

[Evan Turner]

Oh, damn, I forgot. I think Peyton's black.

[Jerry]

Welcome to another episode of Throwbacks. Don't forget to follow us at Throwback show on all social platforms. Subscribe. Like on YouTube. It's free. Don't be afraid. Press the button. It helps. Leave comments that also helps. Tell us what we're doing. Good. Tell us how much you like Matt's USC hoodie. That's a dope hoodie.

[Evan Turner]

It is.

[Matt Liner]

It's comfy. We just got in the mail. I don't know. My wife gave it to me.

[Jerry]

You know what's sad for me, Matt? Like, I will never have that feeling of, like, wearing a hoodie with the college I went to. Not even just because you were like, actually, I don't. That is sad.

[Matt Liner]

I don't know why. I don't know why I'm laughing at you.

[Evan Turner]

That's.

[Matt Liner]

You have no y. You have no affiliation to any school.

[Jerry]

Yeah, it's not even, like, oh, well, different on you. No, it doesn't count. Like, College of Staten Island. That doesn't count. You know, like, I'll never have that feeling of putting on my high school.

[Matt Liner]

You got roots to your high school, bro.

[Jerry]

I don't have roots.

[Matt Liner]

Did you go to high school?

[Jerry]

I dropped out in eighth grade, bro. Yes. I went to the high school that there used to be an old TV show called welcome Back Cotter. You might be a little too young.

[Matt Liner]

I've heard of it.

[Jerry]

Like, my school was based on that show. Was young John Travolta playing Vinnie Bobarito. Mr. Carter. So, no, I have none of that, like, school pride stuff.

[Matt Liner]

You don't?

[Jerry]

Well, one thing I do have a lot of pride in is my Knicks and watching basketball. And this is basically the first. This is how we know the NBA now has started. I get to talk this one. You get to talk hoops. We got Evan Turner joining us on the podcast now for you, youngins, if you don't know Evan Turner, great NBA career, number two overall pick, played at osu. Naismith player of the year, but also now post career. He's one of the first player former athletes newly retired to get behind the microphone, do the podcast stuff. He's maybe one of the best NBA followers on Twitter because he. He like trolls.

[Evan Turner]

He's just a troll.

[Matt Liner]

Yeah, I love it.

[Annie Agar]

Him.

[Matt Liner]

He's just good, man. He's just a great dude. He's Got a big personality. He was a Hooper, obviously. I ran into him last month at the Ohio State game. Kind of dapped up and saw him on the field, just said, what up? So it's good to have him on. And I know you're fired up, bro.

[Evan Turner]

It's.

[Matt Liner]

I mean, it is basketball season. I mean, we're in the heart of playoffs, but basketball's picking up and a lot of just crazy going on in NBA, man.

[Jerry]

Yeah, I want to talk to him too, about that, the NBA all star format now with the two NBA teams in the world. Because I'm seeing a lot of things on Twitter of like, yeah, the world team. The world players have really caught up. I'm like, caught up.

[Evan Turner]

Go.

[Jerry]

They might be.

[Matt Liner]

I mean, look at the. Look at the Olympics last year. We. It took a Herculean effort by Steph Curry to win that game. And now you're. I mean, the top five players in the NBA arguably are all European.

[Jerry]

If I forced you into an Olympic me men's basketball bet right now for 20, 28 Olympics gold medal basketball. If I said, Matt, gun to your head. You have. Your life is on the line. You got to pick a team. Are you still picking team?

[Matt Liner]

Yeah, I would still pick the US.

[Jerry]

Just I mean, probably no Curry.

[Matt Liner]

Yeah. I mean, it's Anthony Edwards. It's probably.

I mean, gosh. I mean, it's. Who.

[Evan Turner]

Who else?

[Jerry]

You just. It's. You just ran out of players. Probably Tatum. If. Yes, it's Tatum. It's Brown. Jaylen Brown.

[Matt Liner]

You know, like a whole lot. Cooper flag. Probably.

[Jerry]

Like, is KD even still on that team?

[Matt Liner]

Zero.

[Jerry]

Two years, right?

[Matt Liner]

Zero chance. LeBron's gone. Curry's gone. KD's gone. Austin Reeves, my boy Austin Reeves might.

[Jerry]

Be on there too.

[Matt Liner]

I mean, yeah, we got a look right now.

[Jerry]

We have some fun talks with Evansga Donovan. I gotta. It sucks that you have to remind everyone SGA is Canadian. He's not American.

[Matt Liner]

Devin Booker will be back on that team. Donovan Mitchell.

[Jerry]

Yeah, maybe we get Jalen Brunson back.

[Matt Liner]

I'm just looking at the leading scores now.

[Jerry]

Like, Jamal Murray's Canadian.

[Matt Liner]

That's right. Jamal Murray's Canadian. Julius, maybe. Yeah.

[Jerry]

I mean, dude, Julius. I mean, I love Julius Randall, but Slim.

[Matt Liner]

Slim Pickens, bro, I might. I might have to take the field on that one.

[Jerry]

Yeah. I got so one of Evan Turner's buddies, Chris Mannix, former sports illustrator, writer. Like him and I got into this big argument about Jalen Brunson not being an all star three years ago. And then Two years ago not being an all star starter. And Mannix, oh, and Mannix always says, like, it's because New York Knicks fans don't vote. They're too good to vote. Like, why does SGA plays for Oklahoma City? Why does he get more votes? I'm like the entire state, the entire country of Canada votes for sga. It's not like Oklahoma City voting for the entire country of Canada is voting for sga. Justifiably so. So we got Evan in a minute. Time now for our Wendy's Fresh take of the week. Join team Tendies and enjoy a lineup like never before. Crispy, juicy Tendies now at Wendy's. And you and I talked a little bit off the air. Obviously we're all enjoying this Miles Garrett performance. And then I even looked at on a lot of the betting sites and Carson Swesinger is like favored heavily to win defensive rookie of the year for the Browns. They obviously hit on Judkins too, but we know the quarterback situation and other things. And Miles Garrett's being talked about now is the new name that's the greatest player who's on the worst team. The sort of not like the waste of talent in a way. Meaning like he's not playing meaningful games. He's played three playoff games, I believe. And it got me thinking, and that's going to be our Wendy's Fresh take. Who's the greatest player to be wasted away on a bad team? And I think we could use all sports for this because it's not just football. It bleeds into every sport.

[Matt Liner]

I think mine is. Mine might be number one.

[Jerry]

Number one.

[Matt Liner]

You have no match. You have no idea what I'm gonna say.

[Jerry]

If you told me the sport, I might be able to guess. But no, I don't know who you're gonna say.

[Matt Liner]

Baseball.

[Jerry]

I have a thought, but I want Mike Trout.

[Matt Liner]

Mike Trout has been with The Angels since 2011. I'm look at this up. Mike Trout probably right. I think we'd arg anyone would argue that he's probably the greatest baseball player of our generation right? The last 10, 15 years. Otani obviously is probably taking that torch, but like 11 time Allstar and three time MVP, all of these things and he's stuck in Orange County, California for the California Angels. By the way, I grew up. I mean, I grew up right by there. So like, I'm not hating, like it's one of the worst organizations of all time. And by the way, he loves it and he, he could have but like.

[Jerry]

In terms of winning and the product. He's never gonna win a.

[Matt Liner]

He's never gonna win a World Series. They can't sell out their stadium. The fan. Orange county fans are terrible. Like they just are. Like even for the Ducks and for all the sport, like it's just, it's just not a great sports place. And so I just feel like he's a hell of a player. He's going to be one of the greatest of all time. It's just like it did seem like.

[Jerry]

They, they pushed their chips in when they got Ohtani. Right. And ever like they let Otani go. No, I know, but it's it that didn't even work. Like Otani had to leave in order to not be Mike Trout. In order.

[Matt Liner]

Can we. When was the last time they made the playoffs? Can we look that up?

[Jerry]

I don't know. I still remember. Well, that World Series they won because they knocked.

[Matt Liner]

I was at one of the games.

[Jerry]

Which was crazy and they had like a really, really fun team. I don't know if anyone in the chat wants to put in the last play. It might, you might have to go back to like potentially like 2007 or 8. Like I think one of the A Rod Yankee teams might have knocked the Angels out.

[Matt Liner]

I think they've been in the plays maybe once, maybe twice since that World Series appearance.

[Jerry]

2014. 2014.

[Matt Liner]

So anyway, we can move on. I just think Mike Trout is like, it'll be the biggest.

[Evan Turner]

What if.

[Matt Liner]

He's going to be great, One of those all time greats that will never.

[Jerry]

Win a ring unless he just goes to the Dodgers, which is not off the table. At some point they could afford Mike Trout too, right? Reunite him with Ohtani.

[Matt Liner]

Yeah, bro, we'll take him.

[Jerry]

Well, there's a few good in baseball, but mine is football. If it's Miles Garrett and Miles Garrett has played in playoff games, I'm going to give you a name of someone who've not seen in a lot of playoff games. And by far this was the best player to be on the worst teams and that's Calvin Johnson. It's not close. How do you take a receiver like that who was getting double teamed in the red zone and still catching 14 touchdowns. At his size and his skills, he's a monster. Putting up 1700 yard seasons. No playoffs. Not even. No play. Not even in hunt. You put Cal.

[Matt Liner]

They made the playoffs one year, right?

[Jerry]

One year. I think, I think they might have made it one year and I think it was a one and done and there was just a lot of bad lose well, that's like.

[Matt Liner]

Yeah, that was like curse of the Detroit Lions forever up.

[Jerry]

Think how many Thanksgiving games Calvin Johnson. Not that. Look, he's playing.

[Matt Liner]

He hung it up, dude.

[Jerry]

Honestly, it's just like tired of losing Barry Sanders. I mean Barry Sanders I think played in like six playoff games. I think with at least three. Oh, wait, yeah, six playoff games. Hung it up early. Megatron for me. But my baseball honorable mention was Don Mattingly because I'm a Yankee. That was my guy who never. They were just such bad Yankee teams and they didn't sniff the playoffs till his very end of his career.

Sad. Well, you know who made some playoff games? Evan Turner made some playoff games and he survived Philadelphia. He was in the very beginning of the trust the process. Sixers 15 and 50 when they traded him in February. And then he had a good run with those Blazer teams. He just kept running into the fricking Warriors. That was the Portland Trailblazers problem. So let's bring on Evan Turner. Maybe he'll let me call him E.T. i kind of want to call him E.T.

[Matt Liner]

Let'S go. Today's guest, former number two overall pick, a decade long NBA vet, all American Naismith player of the year, Buckeye legend, where we hooked up about a month ago. Podcast philosopher, an elite storyteller. He doesn't sound like little Yachty. Little, Little Yachty actually sounds like him. The host of Sports illustrates Open floor podcast.

[Jerry]

Evan Turner.

[Matt Liner]

My man. What is up? Welcome to Throwbacks, bro.

[Evan Turner]

Man, just living the dream. Just living the dream, man. Good to be here with y'. All. I was really excited. This one podcast I was excited to do, bro. I love what you do on Instagram. You're a TikTok star. I'm always supporting it.

[Matt Liner]

Hey, thanks for making your bed in the background, bro. Where you at? I see.

[Evan Turner]

Yeah, I'm literally. I told you I'm in a trap, man. I'm in Stanford. You know, you don't make your bed if you're going to get back in it.

[Matt Liner]

You know, you know what's. You know what? You know when you're old, when people recognize you now for TikTok and now not. And not being a football player. That's the life that I'm in right now. But it's okay. It's okay. Dude, I said I saw you at Ohio State game.

Like last month, which was awesome to see you. I, I'm curious to ask you about the, the rivalry of Michigan, Ohio State because we being involved with it now for football, just covering it for like last 10 years I've, I've seen like the legitimate hatred in the football side. Is it the same for basketball when you guys play Michigan?

[Evan Turner]

I probably back in the day it was because we kind of, you know, the rivalry always kind of like trickled over and we kind of always had close games. But after Roddy Gale transferred from Ohio State and now he's playing for Michigan, I don't know what the hell those kids did, you know what I'm saying? Like y', all, out of all the schools you could have went to, you went there. But we, you know, back in 2010, we had a pretty big game versus Michigan where I hit a big shot in the quarterfinals. And that was a, a big game that meant more to me than anything in my college career. So I thought that was pretty cool, especially versus the team we were competing verse.

[Jerry]

What was your recruiting like for always? Like we've had a few players on. We talked to Arian Foster about his recruitment, stuff like that.

[Matt Liner]

Basically asking, how much money did you get paid?

[Evan Turner]

I wasn't that good. I wasn't that good. I wasn't that good. So that's not straight. I was probably top 50, but I was in the class of O.J. mayo, Derrick Rose, Kevin Love, like Eric Gordon, like some killers. So there's some like Mike Beasley. It's guys before me that took all the money, you know, I mean, by the time it got to me, they're like, we got bus fare for you and like a meal card and then you can get it out the same.

[Jerry]

Hotel you're in right now, basically.

[Evan Turner]

And. But there's a roommate with me, there's a tall white guy named Kyle Matson. I was staying on the other side of the room, but now it's like I was mostly like a Midwest guy though, so I was a Big Ten dude. So I thought at one point I was going to go to Wisconsin. And then, you know, obviously I had Illinois on me because I'm from Chicago. So Illinois at the time had Eric Gordon Gordon committed and he's like top five in the country. And we were waiting for Derrick Rose. So I was kind of waiting to see if Derrick Rose was going to go to Illinois. And we would have did like a three headed monster, like tight situation, pause. But that never played out. I went to NBA camp one week and hung out with John Der Kosa Kufus and Dallas Nardale and they had the whole. Yeah, and they had the whole team with Greg Odin and Mike Conley the year before coming in. So they had. Might have kind of loaded up, and I was like, I want to get with the Buckeyes. And it was history from there.

[Matt Liner]

I love. I. I went to a. I got what I got. I think I won, like, the Archie Griffin Award in college. I went to A. In 2005, I went or 4, I went to an Ohio State game. I was just telling. We had Myron Piggy. I don't know if that name rings a bell. He's like the Godfather. AAU basketball. Does that name ring?

[Evan Turner]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Matt Liner]

So we had him on the pod last week, and you mentioned O.J. mayo actually helped recruit O.J. mayo to USC. I'll never forget.

[Evan Turner]

Yeah.

[Matt Liner]

Because I was.

[Evan Turner]

Did you give him.

[Matt Liner]

I mean, I. I was on a golf cart with. I was. I was on a golf cart with them. Going around campus, they say, bro, this is your. This is your city. You're only gonna be here one year. Any as well go to USC and ball out. Which he did. And then obviously, you know, played in the NBA. So we.

[Evan Turner]

Recruited Story.

[Jerry]

Yes. Yeah. I would love to love recruiting stories.

[Evan Turner]

I was getting recruited by Notre Dame, right? So. So they called me on, like, a Tuesday. Rob Balanis. And he's like, evan, what are you doing this weekend? I'm like, just. Just chilling, like, so you want to come down here? It's going to be pretty rocking. Like, it's going to be pretty crazy. We got USC coming in. I'm like, no, I'm cool. I think I'm just gonna hang out, like, you know what I mean? Because I had nowhere to get. Nowhere to get there. I was like, nah, I'm cool. Like, from Chicago. I'm straight. I'll just watch it on tv. So I called my AAU coach. I'm like, yo, Notre Dame's trying to get me to come on a recruited visit. And he's like, yo, you're going and I'm taking your ass. He's like, it's either Matt Liner or Reggie Bush is winning the Heisman. But those are, like, two of the most elite athletes I've ever seen at their age. So I remember driving from South Bend. I mean, from Chicago all the way to South Bend. We watched the game. I believe it was like, the Bush push, right? Yeah. So I remember being in, like, the student section on the other end. I can't see. So we don't know what's going on. I just remember you guys cheering. I remember, like, a bunch of people just crying all around me and, like, literally. And I remember, like, my coach Was like, yo, that's the greatest game you'll ever see. Like, those two kids put the game on their back. Like, Leiner's pushing Bush for the Heisman. He's like, that's how you got to be. I just remember, like, oh, that's awesome. I always been, like, a pretty big fan. Cause I was like, damn. Like, Leiner's a man. He's on MTV made, and he's, like, hitting all the local. Like, oh, boy. Man, that's. That's. That's who you got to be.

[Matt Liner]

And Nick Young was telling me, dude, I got. Or I got punked. Remember we talked about Ashton Kutcher? Punk me on it.

[Evan Turner]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Matt Liner]

It's. That's interesting, too, because that game, it's, like, always. I love. I mean, like, you do. I love hearing stories because it's like, it's that game in the USC Texas game, the game we lost. It's like, yeah. Where were you when you watched that game? And there's so many great stories. That's awesome. That you were.

[Evan Turner]

Yeah.

[Matt Liner]

That you were in there. Yeah. That was a hell of a game, man.

[Evan Turner]

God.

[Matt Liner]

And then I just. Notre Dame. Notre Shame. We called them Notre Shame. Can't stand.

[Evan Turner]

Yeah. Were you ever nervous during that game or. No.

[Matt Liner]

You know what?

[Evan Turner]

Or were you, like, overly kind, like you. Did y' all really think y' all can never lose?

[Matt Liner]

Yeah, like, no, I. There was. I mean, I would if. I'd probably be lying if I said there wasn't a little bit of doubt, but you know how it is. Like, when you're in. Even in a hoop game, like, when you're in. When you're in the thick of it and you're not. Like, I'm just. The only time I was actually nervous was four. It was like fourth and 20, and I'm like, our third and 20. I'm like.

Like, we're on our own 20 yard line. They have all the momentum. Notre Dame isn't typically loud, but, like, that game was the loudest it's ever been. And it was like, hey, get half back. Check down to Reggie. And let's fourth. Fourth and 10, and the best player in college football.

[Jerry]

Check it to Reggie.

[Matt Liner]

Fourth and ten in football is pretty hard to convert, man. I don't care what level. Like, it's just. There's not a lot of plays that are, like, designed to. To do that, so. But I'll never forget, man, we were. We were real confident. It just was like, I'm just in a zone, like, all right. It's fourth and nine. I'm going through my process of, like, the line of scrimmage. Do I audible? What do I see? Like, you don't really have time to think about being nervous. I do. I do always say, though, if I didn't score that. That if Reggie doesn't push me, like, it's probably the biggest regret I have in my entire life because I wouldn't have got in, but thank God.

[Evan Turner]

Now, that's crazy. I remember they were getting so crazy at Notre Dame. Some white lady was next to me. She's like, you come to Notre Dame. We burn couches. And I'm like, what the fuck?

We burn couches. So every time I get drunk, I'm always like, will you burn?

[Jerry]

What the fuck does that mean?

[Evan Turner]

I have no clue. And everyone. What the fuck is he talking about? I'm like, I don't know.

[Matt Liner]

The great. The greatest part about that, Jerry, that game is if you watch, like, you could see highlights on YouTube. The stands after we score, their faces, like, the students.

[Jerry]

I remember watching it.

[Matt Liner]

It's just like. Like someone died. Like. Like they're like their sister, just D.

[Jerry]

I think that's the most dejected I've ever seen a home crowd after a game. And I've watched millions of games in every sport. That's the most dejected I've ever seen.

[Matt Liner]

A random question, though, because I always. I love asking this about sporting events. Is that, like, that probably maybe one of your most memorable sport events, which is pretty cool outside of the NBA. Do you have, like, one that you've been to that you're like, holy, that was awesome. Could be golf. I'm on, like, I know Jerry's in, like, golfer, all that kind of stuff.

Or one that you want to go to?

[Evan Turner]

I always thought, like, European soccer was lit. I went to the English Premier League Championship back in, like, what was that when they had the shootout at the end? Was that 2021 or, like, 2020 or something like that?

[Jerry]

I think it was 2020.

[Evan Turner]

I thought that. Yeah, I thought that whole environment was pretty dope, but I don't think anything like a performer I ever seen. Like, Steph Curry is unbelievable to see in person. Like, to be honest, I've never seen him in person. Yeah. Oh, you haven't? Damn, you should, bro. I remember watching him in Game 7 when he came back down 31 versus OKC, and I remember. I remember him just getting hot, getting hot, hot. And he hit it three and, like, turns around at the crowd and, like, screaming, like, we're not going home. We're not. I was in the building. I remember I was like 28 years old. I was like, bro, why is this dude my stage giving me chills? Like, you know what I mean? Everybody around me was like, bro, I'm so inspired. I just never learned how to shoot. But.

[Matt Liner]

Well, by the way, he's one of one. Like, they'll never be another Steph Curry. I mean.

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[Jerry]

Well, speaking that so, too, if you remember. I think it was game. I don't know if it was game six or one of the games. Clay then got, like, nuclear hot, too, but now it kind of. Yeah. And I wonder how you feel about this. Like, it hurts my soul now, like, seeing people talk to Clay like, this whole. You know, this whole thing.

[Matt Liner]

Why is he getting hated on, man?

[Jerry]

I just.

[Evan Turner]

I got like, bro, I love, like, Clay's dope. Don't ever get it wrong. Yeah. I think Clay is dope as hell. I think. I think Clay sometimes pokes the bear.

[Jerry]

We don't see that part.

[Evan Turner]

Yeah. And everybody loves Clay. And they're like, oh, Clay is so funny. And it's like. Clay's not really funny, but okay. But, like, he'll poke the bear. And, like. Like, I remember one time, like, I see Clay slid in my DMs the other day, right? Because. Because I've been trolling him for, like, six months. Just how he pokes the bear. Like, you know what I mean? He did it with the homie Rodney McGruder.

[Jerry]

Yeah.

[Evan Turner]

And then he did it with a couple other, like, lower people where I'm like, clay, like, you doing it like, one, you're like, oh, he might not be in a league again. That's corny as hell. But then, two, it's like, it's a small. Like, you a big dog. It's a small, probably. What are you saying? So I remember I had this little synopsis where I went in about Paul George and Joel Embiid teaming up. I was saying they wouldn't be good at all this goofy shit. And.

So I'm sitting there, and I just see, like, Clay, like, going. And like, yo, this got to Stop, like, what's to him? Like, type of thing. And I'm like, damn, Clay. Like.

Damn, Clay. Like, type. And I'm like, you could at least added me. So, like, for the next, like, year, I just started trolling him and everything I saw in the comments. So recently, Jay Will. When Jay Will and Pat Beverly. Yeah, that little test, which was stupid. Like, you know what I mean?

[Matt Liner]

J. Will was great on there, though.

[Evan Turner]

No, no, he definitely was. And he's awesome. And I think, yeah, you know, I love Jay Will, one of my favorite point guards. So they go in, they say, whatever. They say, I troll again. Like, damn, twin. They said, you tender. You know what I mean? So I'm just enjoying my day. And then before I know it, I get a dm, like, hey, bro, you good? And I'm like, I might have to. I might have to beat up a beige dude. Like, you know what I mean? I'm like. I'm like, if Clay says anything close to all, I'm a purple that man. But. But to be completely honest with you, he. I think, no, Clay's a dope dude. Clay's an unbelievable dude. I think sometimes when people chirp, you know what I mean? I think they get off to seeing like this response out of Clay because you never really seen it. You understand? I'm saying, like, Clay talking trash. Clay kind of, you know, coming down from his throne. You know, go talk to white rookies. Like, bro, you can't argue with like 22 year olds. They'll fight over cereal. Like, you know what I mean? Why they respect.

[Matt Liner]

Why is the NBA? I feel like the NBA is the only sport that trolls each other. The players, like, whether it's online or like, in football. I'm trying. I'm trying to think as you listen, you're talking. I'm like thinking like, well, football you could actually hurt.

[Jerry]

You could actually.

[Evan Turner]

Like, y' all are like dangerous like us. We're like, man, the refs are gonna break it up.

[Matt Liner]

Yeah, yeah.

[Evan Turner]

It's not on site. It's not. It's not on site. It's not on site.

[Matt Liner]

Yeah, that. Yeah, no, you're right. It's just interesting because I got. I love it because you guys are all just talking back and forth to each other, but then nothing ever happens.

[Evan Turner]

But football.

[Matt Liner]

Like, no one's gonna fight in football either. But, like, you don't see. You don't really hear current players talking smack about current players and like trolling each other. They do it on the field and that's it. I Just think it's fun. I mean, make it like. Maybe it's like Megan the Stallion. Maybe he's ruined him. I don't know. That's what.

[Evan Turner]

No, no, bro, to be honest with you, man, literally, we gotta let people just be happy in a relationship.

[Jerry]

Yes, yes.

[Evan Turner]

Especially when, like, the man is winning. Like, like, we'll be like, oh, you did a man. The Stallion. Like, yeah, I'm dating Meg the Stallion. I'm dating a beautiful, talented woman that's five, nine, that can breathe and get in money. You know what I mean? Like, damn. Like everybody else, you know? You know what I mean?

[Jerry]

Like, that's why you say God bless and you tip your cap and you just keep it moving.

[Evan Turner]

And that's what I said, bro. You won. You've been winning. Do not listen to them clowns.

[Matt Liner]

Do you want another random recruiting story on Klay Thompson? I tell you, this year I tried to recruit Clay to Modern Day my high school. He went to. He ended up going. He's from Orange County. Yeah. He ended up going high school. Recruiting High school Clay Thompson. Ask him. True story. He went to. Ended up going to Santa Margarita and he was like a low level recruit, I think. Where'd he go? Washington State. Right. So, like. Yeah, But Modern Day was loaded in basketball and I think I was, I was in college at the time because he's younger than me. Trying to get him to Taylor King.

Taylor Clean. Taylor King used to pull up from 50 and, and buckets. Obviously in college. You don't. Do you remember Taylor King, Jerry?

[Jerry]

I, I. Shockingly, I don't. I usually remember senior year, Evan.

[Evan Turner]

Yeah, it was, it was like OG and Taylor King since we were kids, but Taylor king gave me 40 on the AAU circuit one time. I believe I'm talking about, like just, just going straight.

[Matt Liner]

He was like a 6, 7 white, a white kid, 6, 7, slow, but just could drain Lefty. High school lefty and then went to. I think he went to Duke right out of. And then he just. I mean, he never, like, he never saw the field.

[Evan Turner]

Shout out to Taylor King. Real life Kenny Powers. That's wild. But.

Am I lying? No. I have to take that out. You can take. No, you're good.

[Matt Liner]

You know who else we talked about last week? Let's see if you. Shay Cotton. You remember that name.

[Evan Turner]

Yeah, bro, I saw that documentary, bro. He was a dog, right?

[Jerry]

He, he.

[Matt Liner]

Yeah, he was. I mean, he was a freak, dude. Yeah, Last week, Jerry, I told you he was a. He was a freak.

[Jerry]

Yeah, guys. I mean, we didn't really get a lot of that in CYO basketball. You know, I didn't see a whole lot of 50 spots, even though I. I saw, you know, Felipe Lopez, Stefan Marbury. I'm an old head, but, yeah, I didn't really get a lot of that in CYO basketball, but. Shout outs, yo.

[Evan Turner]

Who's the best you think ever came out of New York because you've seen with your own eyes.

[Jerry]

Well, we. We talked a little bit about it with Myron Piggy. Like, I still. I mean, I think over time now it's Marbury just because what he went on to do in the NBA, but in the moment for high school and aau, it was Felipe Lopez. I don't know if you're okay. Old enough to remember that name.

[Evan Turner]

Yeah, I remember Dominican.

[Jerry]

Rice University, played on the Gauchos and like, to do, you know, Dominican dude coming, you know, stayed at home at St. John's and Queens. Like, he had the whole city behind him and it just. He played in the nb. He just didn't. But he was supposed to be. He might have been, like, cover a Sports Illustrated kind of high school player.

[Evan Turner]

Yeah, I remember the name, bro. I was a kid, so my brother graduated in, like, 96, so I was hip to, like, you know, I mean, I watched him play kg, you know, I mean, back in the day.

[Jerry]

Yeah. And then Telfair, Marbury's cousin was at the time, too. Like, he was picked as the. The next. He's gonna be maybe even better than Marbury. And then, you know.

[Matt Liner]

Yeah, Telfer should. Telfer was on the COVID of every magazine that year coming out.

[Evan Turner]

That was what happens when stars are really stars. You know what I mean? Like. Well, yeah.

[Jerry]

I mean, those games with Marbury and Felipe Lopez were so packed, they started playing at msg. That was like their spillover. We're gonna have the game at msg.

[Matt Liner]

Did you. You see the CP News? You got, like, cut in the middle of the night.

[Jerry]

Waved in the middle of the night.

[Matt Liner]

Yeah. What's going on with that, man?

[Evan Turner]

They trying to win, I guess. They're like, bro, we could have had you. We need that spot. Oh, head. Like, clearly, like, we should. Like, it's either that or I want to do, like, some conspiracy theory thing and be like, it was a James Harden move. I feel like James and CPA'd each other and it's like, checkmate. I applaud James on that.

[Matt Liner]

So he's gotta. I mean, he's got to be done at this point, right? Like, he'll go because this is his farewell, farewell tour anyway.

[Evan Turner]

Yeah, unless SGA comes and gets them and sends them to, like, okc, like, you know what I mean? Or like, maybe. I mean, it's all about what he wants to do. I would just go to a super contender and call it a day because that's what he thought he was doing this year. Like, he didn't expect to play that much. And granted, it's terrible how they did CP3, but I think you have no chance. You have no choice. The Clippers, they spent so much money on that culture, you know what I mean? Like, their next. Their next little get back or whatever is. They don't have any, like, picks or anything like that. They traded their future. So I just feel like now they're like, bro, we either have to win now or, like, save the organization from just completely going back to what they've been prior to when they had Laker, Derek or whatever.

[Jerry]

Clippers are like that, buddy. Who, like, it's just going through some shit. You're like, you know, let's just go easy on. Let's go easy on Chris. He's going through some stuff. And what's funny is, like, they got the All Star Weekend's gonna be at the Intuit this year. Right now we got this whole new. Yeah. With the whole.

[Matt Liner]

Have you been to that spot, that place?

[Evan Turner]

I have not, bro. I'm still waiting until Inglewood gets a little safer. It's safe over there.

[Jerry]

It's all good now.

[Matt Liner]

By the way, I had court. I had courtside seats for. For Jerry Clippers. I think it was Rockets. And he turned me down, really into a dog.

[Jerry]

I mean, why was at the card and wasn't playing, so I didn't want.

[Matt Liner]

No, you had a meeting. You had a. With the showrunner or whatever that was.

[Jerry]

I did, but I wanted to ask you. You know, obviously everyone talks about, like, oh, the All Star Game. No one watches all this stuff or whatever. And now they have this whole new format, right? You familiar with the format? It's the two USA teams and the world. And I was watching. I'm reading all these articles and watching like, wow, the.

[Matt Liner]

The.

[Jerry]

The world players have really caught up. Caught up to, you know, the American players. And I'm looking at the world here. I'm, like, caught up. I mean, it's Luka Wemby, Jokic, Shay Giannis. I'm, like, caught up. Those are like five of the best 10 players.

[Matt Liner]

They're beating our ass, dude.

[Evan Turner]

They're beating their ass now 1000. I mean, I like to see that type of stuff. I think it's entertaining. I think it's something that, like, whether you think so or not, our culture loves, like, these type of battles and, like, the opposites and more like America against the world. Or even in college, we did a black first white scrimmage in a pickup game on our own. The coaches didn't do it. And you should have seen how hard we were playing for our race. You know what I mean?

[Jerry]

It wasn't a pickup game. You guys are, like, actually, like, picking up probably half court at least.

[Evan Turner]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. We're hearing ers being dropped. We're calling. You know what I mean? We're like, whoa.

[Jerry]

So Matt. Matt and I got into a. A little debate yesterday when we were prepping for you. Somehow it came up like, who's the best? Like, what's the best white team in the NBA? But no Euro now, like, taking it the world. Players, like, can't take Jokic, can't take Luca. We agreed on, like, three, but then we had, like, one. And the player we disagreed on is a player I think you probably know well. And I'm curious to hear your thoughts. But, Matt, you want to go down your team or you want to ask?

[Matt Liner]

I'm just saying, I. I built my. My. My starting five. All white boys in the NBA, not Euros. So I went. My boy, Austin Reeves.

[Evan Turner]

Okay, dog. Okay.

[Matt Liner]

Chet Holmgren, dog.

[Evan Turner]

I'm taking it.

[Matt Liner]

Knipple. I know he's a rookie.

[Jerry]

He's young. He's young.

[Matt Liner]

Have you heard. Did you hear. You hear all the boys talking about. They said, that boy is going to be. Is going to be nice. Okay?

[Evan Turner]

And his numbers are good. His numbers are unreal. Yeah. Yeah, you're right.

[Jerry]

18.

[Matt Liner]

Then I. Then I did. And Jerry debated me on this. I said. I said, a healthy Tyler hero, whether you like him or not, dog. My point guard. And then my point guard, I went, Alex Caruso. He just won an Alexo.

[Evan Turner]

Thank you, bro. This Alex Caruso thing be getting overboard. They say he's sucking. He only plays hard in the games, bro. Could you imagine?

[Matt Liner]

So what. What does it matter? He just won a championship.

[Evan Turner]

I like Alex Caruso, bro. Bro, you got to go get Dante Divincenzo, bro. The original.

[Matt Liner]

By the way, there's only like eight.

[Evan Turner]

White guys on your team. You're going to struggle. It's like, you know what I mean? If there's no. No gingers on your team, you might struggle.

[Jerry]

A name that I didn't think of it that way. Here's where we started.

[Matt Liner]

Might as well be. He's probably. He's like half black.

[Jerry]

First of all, I love Dante for that shot against the Sixers in the playoffs. That was like the coldest shot ever.

[Matt Liner]

You knew he was going in, say your boy Jerry.

[Jerry]

So here's the guy I threw up and Matt completely hated. Not. Not hated on him as like, player, but just like not making the squat. And maybe he is the sixth man, but I might slot him in either over. Probably over Caruso. You got enough defense on that white Peyton Pritchard?

[Evan Turner]

Oh, damn you, bro. Absolutely, bro. I forgot. I think Peyton's black. I forgot that.

[Matt Liner]

Exactly, bro.

[Evan Turner]

Peyton's the coldest. Yeah, you're wild, bro. You're wild. But I give you credit for Tyler Hero because. Because you can't hate on Tyler Hero at this moment.

[Matt Liner]

By the way, Jerry Hayden said he's.

[Jerry]

I love Tyler Heroes. I don't see him play enough. He's always out in the playoffs. He's always out, and I feel bad.

[Evan Turner]

I want him to play. And he. He's like. He's like steroids, bro.

[Matt Liner]

Yeah, he's got five beat. Beat a starting five and for the worst NBA team.

[Evan Turner]

So you're talking about the Wizards?

[Jerry]

Like, are they be. Are they beating the Wizard Wizards?

[Matt Liner]

Yeah, they're beating the Wizards, dude.

[Evan Turner]

I don't. I don't think CJ McCollum gonna lose to a group of whites.

[Jerry]

CJ's going off this year too, man.

[Evan Turner]

That's what I'm saying.

[Matt Liner]

CJ's my dog, too.

[Evan Turner]

And respectfully, y' all only got one defender. I mean, well, Caruso will try to lock down, but I mean.

[Matt Liner]

Yeah, my boy Austin.

[Evan Turner]

No, don't do that. Do not do that. Aaron Austin.

[Jerry]

I mean, Tyler Hero.

[Evan Turner]

Tyler Hero.

[Matt Liner]

Canippo's playing defense. He came from Duke. He plays hard.

[Evan Turner]

You're absolutely right. I mean, we. You're absolutely right. I think. I think Kevin Durant would find that interesting. You know what I mean? If he messed up.

[Matt Liner]

Caruso is a lockdown defender. He's 6 5.

He can score a little bit.

[Evan Turner]

You can't lock down these. You can't lock down these great players, bro. It's good write ups. I love what Caruso does. It takes the team effort. And Caruso's let he play so hard, bro. But you still. If you put Caruso on a real killer for 48 minutes, somebody gonna be like, bro, somebody out.

[Jerry]

I love Caruso, but it also helps that you got. You got chat and Dort and you know, they're like all of okc. They're just like a bunch of rat, like wolves, you know, they just hunt on defense.

[Evan Turner]

Yeah, but, but, but, you know, boy, I appreciate that. Your second.

[Matt Liner]

Yeah, he's going h. He's actually. Well, this comes out there. He's. He signed with SMU this week. He's going there.

[Evan Turner]

Oh, wow.

[Matt Liner]

Yeah.

[Evan Turner]

Okay. Okay.

[Matt Liner]

Yeah, but he was a Hooper. I was.

[Evan Turner]

He was a Hooper when he's a shorty. He was dunking. He had a good freshman year and everything.

[Matt Liner]

Yeah, he was playing. He played like the whole made hoop circuit. He played with, you know, co op, the baller for Arizona.

[Evan Turner]

Yeah, he's a dog. Oh, wow.

[Matt Liner]

Yeah, he's a dog. He's a top five pick probably next year. He played with him and a bunch and like Arenas, his kid, Ariza's kid, all that like Matt Barnes, boys, like, out here in SoCal. So they were all on the circuit together. Yeah, but football was. I mean, talking about white kids, dude, he. He's like six, three and a half, six, four. That's it.

[Evan Turner]

Oh, damn. Oh, yeah.

[Matt Liner]

Yeah, he's. I mean, he's tall, but he just. Yeah, he. I was like, you better either be a sick ball handler or be able to jump like 45 inches. But. No, but he's. He's. He's. He's playing QB, man.

[Evan Turner]

So we go throughout.

[Matt Liner]

He'll be in College in like two months.

[Evan Turner]

Foreign.

[Matt Liner]

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[Jerry]

You know what I want to ask you? Is this true? Can you confirm?

[Evan Turner]

What's up?

[Jerry]

Did you go to the high school from what I think is the greatest sports documentary of all time, Hoop Dreams. Is that true?

[Evan Turner]

Hoop Dreams, Yes. So I want to stick up for Gene Pingator because he was like a father figure up until I died. So I'm talking about like middle of the night. Called him, he was there and like, just not me. Like the homies. Like, you understand. So. So I remember where I was at when I found out he passed. Like, that was like.

Yeah, Gene Pinatori is a man. Hoop Dreams is the reason why I went. Like my brother was going to the school at the time. He was 12 years older than me. And I just remember my mom, like, as I got older. So you're going to St. Joe's King of Tour is going to teach you how to be a man. So I grew up in the same neighborhood that like Walter Gates and Arthur Ag did. So I took the same bus and all that nonsense, but it was three hallways. We were like the number one team in the state for like most of my four years. And it was like, it was a dope experience. It made me who I was. So, yeah, that was hard.

[Jerry]

That to me, I'll always say, yeah, I always say, like, it's not even just like one of the greatest sports docs of all time. It's just one of the greatest documentaries of all time. Unless I watched it a hundred times and, yeah, that just popped up on, like, the research. I'm like, oh, my God, I gotta ask him about that. Because I try to tell every. Like, even, like, younger people, like, watch Hoop Dreams and, like, it's too long. It's like two hours long. Like, really, that's too long for you to get through.

[Evan Turner]

Yeah, but. But as an athlete, watch you do, like, the ups and downs of the four years and, like, how shit can change. Like. Like, what? Will Gates was the man coming in as a freshman and obviously ended up doing well. And Arthur AG played freshman and barely played varsity, then leads his team downstate. I thought it was an unbelievable documentary. And it was just. It was hard, bro. That. That was a big part of my childhood. That. In Sunset Park.

[Jerry]

Sunset. Time to get. By the way, Howard playing just like a. Like a dynasty.

[Evan Turner]

Oh, that was.

[Matt Liner]

I'll tell you what.

[Jerry]

That.

[Matt Liner]

And above the Rim. Above the rim was my.

[Evan Turner]

Yeah.

[Matt Liner]

Movies.

[Evan Turner]

Yeah. Yeah. But the funniest thing from Sunset park, when Butter would be telling all the lies, he's like, yes, I'm laid up with this one, honey. Last night. Like, that's. That's what I think. When I tell all my stories, I get to tell them like a story. Like Butter. But. But now those were. Those are definitely dope movies. I won. Oh, man. Let's say, Jerry. It's funny, obviously. I know everybody loves Entourage. And I remember going through, like, my fourth year in the league. I was leaving Indiana Pacers. I lost my qualifying offer, so I was kind of, like, floating, you know what I mean? And I remember basically talking to my agent. We're trying to, like, wait around, get me in the right position. And like, man, they might not do this or they might not do that. And I had to pull, like, a Vincent Chase moment and be like, I'm not getting the star roles anymore, Big Dog. Like, you know what I mean? But, like, that was some real, like. And just the roots and, like, literally getting it out the mud. And, like, I had to go to, like, Boston for two years. I was able to sign for a 70 million dollar contract just, like, taking a step back. But, like, when I was looking for, like, signs, like, that was one of them. I remember being like, if Vincent Chase can do it and his homies.

[Jerry]

Well, no, but it brings me to, like, a question that I. I've asked athletes in the past, and I still haven't gotten kind of. I got a great answer from Zion one time, but. So I was at a Knick game one night. It's like, two years ago. Fortunately, they. I think I only still act so I could get those courtside seats. I. I really think I would never act again. And after the game, CJ was on that team, right? And then after the game, Zion, like, I feel a big pat on my shoulder. Like, one that's like. That's not, like, my buddy Pat me. He was like, a overly big person. And looking at Zion, and I'm like, oh, this video of this? And, like, he kind of comes close. He's like, this one's how I just started watching Entourage when I was hurt all year last year, and I was, like, in a dark place, and it kind of brought me out, and I. I wanted to. I kind of, like, asked him, like, what did you like about the show? And he gave me a decent answer. But I asked you. It's like, athlete. You would think actors maybe liked the show. No, for me, for whatever reason, athletes. It resonated with athletes significantly more than with actors or directors or anyone in the movie business. And I always wonder why. And even that story you're telling me, though, like, it was like, the re Vince relationship that you kind of identified with.

[Evan Turner]

And I think also, too, just outside looking in, I think it kind of humanized what we were going through, you know, Like, I'm a kid from the hood, so, like, when you. Like, when you're pushing me through stuff, it's like, if y' all thought y' all from Queens and broke, like, I'm from the other side of tracks, where they, like, they cut off everything so you feel right. So, like, we came around. I'm trying. It kind of helped me understand my agent. It kind of helped me understand, like, my friend group or how to move, but at the same time, be unapologetic for, like, enjoying my life. And, like, I think a lot of times when it came down to it, it'd be like, oh, no, you didn't feel so ish living your life because Vince was enjoying himself living his life. Or, like, these dudes are going through real things. And, like, at the same time, it was okay to be yourself as opposed to be a brand. And I thought that was. I thought that was dope. And, like, like you said, like, they did a great job of just, like, every time you put it on, it felt like a sunny day and it could be snowing outside or whatever, but, like, the ship was just. It did so much for me, bro. And I just thought, like, Vince and, like, the loyalty y' all all had was, like, something that, like, you really need it because Coming from, like, a start, like, situation, you don't understand how much your group, your friends, or, like, your environment really pumps you up and, like, carries you over the hurdle when, like, you forget who the fuck you are or, like.

[Jerry]

And also how that can go wrong, though, like, outside of time, you see the wrong. The wrong group kind of, you know, the wrong dudes get brought along. And we've seen that story before, too, which to me always hurts when you just see that someone just getting taken advantage of because they had their winning ticket, and then everyone's along for the ride, and it's just for bad reasons, you know? Well, I know we gotta. We gotta get you out of here in a minute. I want to ask right before we let you go. So one of the things you do for me. Hey, I, I. Your Twitter account's awesome. It's, like, a must follow. Oh, my gosh. I just. Because, like, I, I love, you know, we're. We're in an era where, like, a lot of, you know, even now current active players talk on podcasts and stuff, and they, they're always kind of just getting their story out and then. Great, that's great. I think that's a good thing. You. You could tell, you still watch and you keep up and you just kind of keep it real and talk honest. So I wanted to ask one question. It's like the only real basketball question. Not prediction stuff. I feel like the west, look, it's okce. It's Denver, it's Houston. And then, by the way, put my Lakers up there. Lakers, sure, sure.

[Evan Turner]

The Lakers, sure.

[Jerry]

Right. But, yeah, I'm a Knicks guy, and I. And you played, you know, for Indiana. You played for the Celtics, the Sixers. What is going on in the E. I can't for the life of me figure out, like, what team. When you watch that, you look at, I know you got some bulls loving you. What team, when you watch, you're like, that team could make it. That team can make it. Because I think the east is the most wide open it's ever been.

[Evan Turner]

Yeah. No, the reason why I say this, for sure, the Knicks. I definitely did the Knicks. I'm a Celtics fan, so I like the Celtics for sure.

[Jerry]

Crushed the Knicks last night, and I.

[Evan Turner]

Hate this team with all my heart, but I'm not a hating ass, dude. I really think the 76ers, if they get it together, can make it to the Eastern Conference finals.

[Jerry]

Oh, I hate them, too.

[Evan Turner]

Because at the end. Yeah, because your third best, like, like your second, if the second best Player is Joel Embiid. And your third best player or fourth best player is Paul George. You got a loaded nine or ten and Maxi is hooping like Iverson. Yeah, like, bro, like, that boy is not missing, bro. And I hate the Sixers, but I'm literally like, hey, second, they get back and Nick Nurse can, like, coach. Like, I also think if, like, Tatum came back, they could make it out the East. That's how easy the east is this year. Like, do you know what I mean? So, like, I'm giving it up to, like, Maxi's on a different level, bro. Every time, bro, he's scoring everything. Just, just pay attention. Every time you turn on the TV for the Sixers, watch how often he scores. It looks like a highlight tape, like a joke.

[Matt Liner]

He's averaging 33 right now.

[Jerry]

Well, the thing that, first of all, I always with the fit. You have your own reasons for hating on Philly. I get it. I mean, I, I, we're not going to talk about that for that season when they had, they traded you, though. But yeah, they were 15 and 50, so we could leave that out for now. But I just always say, like, I tweet a lot about basketball. You could say anything to me on Twitter. I don't care. Like, you cannot offend me. It's almost impossible. The only people to ever almost make me quit Twitter was 76 or fans during the Nate Six playoff series. They were hitting my career, where I grew up, my mom, my bro, everything. I'm like, you out there. My feelings are genuinely, you asshole.

[Evan Turner]

Yeah, it's really brotherly love. Like, it's almost funny because you see him in the street because you see him in the streets and you're like, bro, you don't care. You just, I damn near killed myself last night. And they'll just laugh harder. And it's like, this is a cousin's house you don't want to go to, bro. You know what I mean? It's like, yeah, they're different. And it's just, it's hilarious. And it's just Philly, Philadelphia, man. And like, I mean, they threw snowballs at Santa. It just is what it is. Like, you know what I mean? I think it could be worse. You just gotta have, gotta have cities like that to appreciate, to appreciate Detroit and Memphis, you know?

[Jerry]

Well, dude, we appreciate you. I got. So you gotta come back because I have like nine. I didn't even get to pitch you my bad idea about the commissioner cut, but whatever it's called the Emirates cup that I wanted to pitch you.

[Evan Turner]

Give me one. Give me one. I want to hear.

[Jerry]

Well, you know, look, I love that the players playing to get some money. We see Josh Hart unfortunately got robbed for the buck 50 in his hotel. And since then he in the com in the Emirates Cup. He's been putting up on 2012 and 8. That dude wants that money back.

[Matt Liner]

I was like, yeah, he's been a.

[Jerry]

Demon in those Emirates cup games. All right, real quick one ready. Winner of the cup gets home court advantage throughout the playoffs regardless of seed.

[Evan Turner]

Shut up, Rob.

[Jerry]

I say it was a good idea. I said you're diminishing the whole regular season.

[Evan Turner]

No, for sure.

[Jerry]

But cup games to matter, right? We want these games to matter.

[Evan Turner]

No, absolutely too when you. This is coming from a guy that always played on the middle of the pack team. Like, you know what I mean? And when you sit here you'll be like, hey, we're not tripping but I shot 20 free throws the whole season and James Harden shot 25 last night. Like, cool. That's. That's fine.

[Jerry]

It's all good.

[Evan Turner]

You know what I mean? Like damn. Okay, I gotta play verse four of the best players in the history of basketball and Golden State. Cool. You guys hold off three years. Deserve three, four years so we can all watch a Cavaliers warriors thing. Okay, Cool. Like that's like. No, bro, throw me a bone every now and then. All right. Like put something low enough for the rest of us.

[Jerry]

I got another one.

Winner gets auto. Six seed.

[Evan Turner]

That's a great.

[Jerry]

You would think that but you would think the team win. But I'm not needed. Well, hear me out. Look at the teams that I've got. You would think the teams that auto succeed need it it. But tech, the teams that usually win the cup don't need the six seed. They're usually well above the six seed.

[Evan Turner]

I'm a Bulls fan. I guarantee you they started off so well. Possibly mixed in cups, cup games. I guarantee you they'd be a playing team by the by the time of this. But they could win the cup or they, you know, I mean it could have been. They could have had the status to win the cup.

[Jerry]

You like that home court thing though. You like seed but you're playing the Thunder. You got home court advantage. What a ring.

[Evan Turner]

I like that.

[Matt Liner]

That's like the baseball all star game. The winner gets home field world in the World Series.

[Jerry]

That's in the World Series.

[Matt Liner]

That's ridiculous.

[Jerry]

Yeah, that's. That was tough.

[Matt Liner]

But anyway, if you're the man, bro.

Hit me up when you're on the west coast, dude.

[Evan Turner]

All right, bro. I definitely will, man. Keep doing your thing, man. Thanks for thinking of me, Eddie. Keep doing your thing, bro.

[Jerry]

All right. Annie Agar joining the show courtesy of Twisted Tea. As she does every week. Grab a refreshing Twisted Tea today. Not that Annie grabs a refreshing Twisted Tea every day. I didn't mean it like that.

[Matt Liner]

I might just swear I might make.

[Annie Agar]

This podcast pretty dominant performance.

[Jerry]

She's back for more Twisted Tea trivia. Matt trying to just continue his no doubter playoff season. Like Matt's officially like a playoff team in Twisted T trivia. I'm scrambling. I was trying to think like what team. I'm mostly I feel like I'm like the Texans just trying to make like a late rally after a horrendous start.

[Annie Agar]

I just saw something today. It said if they lose to the, if the Chiefs lose the Texans, they have a 12% chance of making the playoffs.

[Jerry]

Yeah, you guys have you really paid attention to this Week 14 slate. If you want to talk about basically the playoffs starting today. Yeah, you got Cowboys, Lions in on Thursday night. Like both those teams have to win if they want to get in. Steelers, Ravens, similar situation. Colts, Jags division on the line potentially. And the Colts like the Bengals, Bills you got. It's not necessarily Bears, packers is like, you know, Annie too. Like everyone now is now talking again like this is one of the greatest rivalries in sports. But when was the last amazing Bears, packers rivalry.

[Evan Turner]

Right.

[Jerry]

This is the first one in year decades.

[Annie Agar]

Oh, yeah. Well, since Aaron, everybody said, oh, it's not even a rivalry anymore because he just owned them.

[Jerry]

You know, he shushed them.

[Annie Agar]

He.

[Jerry]

Since he shushed them.

[Annie Agar]

I, I don't remember a game going into a game with the Bears having the advantage or like the, the advantage of the, the.

Pressure being on us. Yeah, I don't really remember that.

[Matt Liner]

You guys are six and a half points favorites.

[Annie Agar]

Yeah, I know, I know. Which scares me a little bit. I saw that.

[Jerry]

That's fish.

[Annie Agar]

I don't like that.

[Evan Turner]

I know.

[Annie Agar]

I think it's only consistent Lambo, but.

[Jerry]

Yeah, but still, it's a fishy, fishy line.

[Matt Liner]

I still don't think people are just like the Bears. It's like one of those things. It's like are they, are they that good? I think people still buy Caleb.

[Annie Agar]

I still think their passing game is.

[Jerry]

Not great.

[Annie Agar]

To see two running backs averaged over six yards of carry against the Eagles. Two running backs. I'm stressing, not feeling great about that.

[Jerry]

I think it has been smoke and mirrors up to last week, but they kicked the Eagles ass and they beat the Eagles where the Eagles are almost impossible to beat on the line of scrimmage, like both sides.

[Evan Turner]

Well.

[Jerry]

And bet Ben Johnson goes shirtless in the post game celebration. He's kind of jacked. Will he be the first coach? You know what I love? I love when players to show that Lambo's not cold, they go out there shirtless, right? Will Ben Johnson be the first coach to go out shirtless to prove that the cold weather don't bother him?

[Matt Liner]

Why does anyone. Why does anyone. Mark Ingram talks about that. He's like. So I play with guys and I'm like, man, I'm trying to be comfortable.

[Jerry]

I was gonna say it's.

[Matt Liner]

It's the dumbest thing that players could do. College guys do it all the time. And it's like. It's the silliest thing, in my opinion.

[Annie Agar]

Yeah. Yeah. When I see, like, quarterbacks wear sleeves, I'm like, yeah. Put on. Put cover your arms. Be comfort. Be warm. Why would you not?

[Jerry]

If I was the. If I was an NFL player, I would be the biggest cold weather. Just scared my hands would be in warmer. I'd have warmers. Those parts of my body, there's nothing better.

[Matt Liner]

The big coats. I remember we were in that blizzard game in New England, like, in 08, and it was probably 20 degrees and freezing and snowing, but those. Those seats have heaters. I was on that thing with my. With my hands under my ass the whole time with a big coat on, just sitting there like, please don't have to go in the game. Actually ended up playing in that game. But yeah. Oh, it's so nice. On the sideline.

[Jerry]

Former Packer Will Blackman, former Giant, good db, has this great story about, like, his first real cold weather game in Lambeau, and he just didn't want to, like, seem like it was cold. So he kind of went up to Favre and was like, like, man, this is fun, right? This is unfarm. Is like, no, it's cold out.

[Annie Agar]

Yeah.

[Matt Liner]

Yeah.

[Jerry]

He's like, the minute I saw Farve was cold, I. All the blood drained out of my body.

[Annie Agar]

So I think it's an age thing, too. You get to a certain age. Like, I. I mean, I'm not saying that I'm.

[Jerry]

You're not at that age.

[Annie Agar]

No, but I. But I'm getting there. I'm cold. I don't want to go outside if I'm gonna be cold for even five minutes.

[Jerry]

I'm. Nope.

[Annie Agar]

I'm over it when you start getting.

[Jerry]

Injuries because it's cold like Matt. When it's cold, Matt's hips probably seize up but he can't bend down.

[Matt Liner]

All the metal in my body just starts tingling. Dude. My shoulders, my head.

[Jerry]

I have two questions for you guys before we get started and I'm going to phrase them as more likely if you guys just choose. Okay. And they're selfish questions because of the two teams I watch the closest in the way, Giants and Browns first. More likely Giants will have a rookie head coach or a vet head coach.

[Matt Liner]

Oh.

[Annie Agar]

Could be Mike Tomlin. If the Steelers part ways at W.

[Jerry]

That would be, you know. Yes. Everyone's talking now about Shula with the Rams. That defense.

[Annie Agar]

I would probably lean toward a vet over just for the. The possibility or like the options are more. What do you think, Matt?

That's a great question.

[Matt Liner]

Yeah, was a rookie. By the way, Dave all might get the Penn State job. Guys.

[Jerry]

That would be. That would be crazy because Sataki.

[Matt Liner]

Sataki's out. It was kind of like day ball's in the mix.

[Annie Agar]

Oh, good, good. He deserves a great.

[Jerry]

That'd be good for college football.

[Matt Liner]

I don't know. I kind of like that. I kind of like the rookie just kind of creating a. A little bit of an energy and a spark and a youthful type. Like, you know, like energy because they got those young dudes out there. I don't know.

[Annie Agar]

That's true.

[Matt Liner]

Well, I would go defensive. I would go a defensive minded head coach and go get a great offensive.

[Jerry]

Coordinator if ever a time whoever it is, rookie or vet and obviously they're not rookies. Like if you go get Shula from the Rams, the dc. But, but Matt, have you ever had a teammate literally miss meetings more than Abdul Carter? Like this is now the second time.

[Matt Liner]

Yeah, he's been benched for the first quarter.

[Annie Agar]

Did you guys see the tweet?

[Jerry]

Oh, he fell for it, right? Yeah, he fell for it. The fake Giants account. Go ahead, Andy. Set it up.

[Annie Agar]

It got me for a minute.

[Jerry]

Set it up for Matt. He didn't see it.

[Annie Agar]

I don't know if I can say this on the pod Did. There was a reason he was watching. Somebody tweeted out. The reason that he was. Was set out the first drive is because he had an issue in a meeting where he was watching an adult film.

[Jerry]

I'll say it was like a reporter.

[Annie Agar]

Account and his headphones disconnected during the meeting is what they said.

[Matt Liner]

So that's the tweet.

[Annie Agar]

Always hilarious. And it was, it was put out by a guy that has, like, a picture that looks like he's a legit reporter and it says in his bio, like, giants reporter. And the world fell for it. So much so that he came out and tweeted and said, do you guys believe this shit? Like, this isn't real hilarious.

[Matt Liner]

He probably just slept through it, man. Like that. I've got a million guys have done that. You get fined, you know, and if you're a first round pick, nothing's going to happen. But if you're like a seventh round or something a couple times, you're gone.

[Jerry]

Yeah, well, they got to do something.

[Annie Agar]

College. Not that I ever slept through a class.

[Jerry]

Tom Coughlin would never stand for that. Second more likely 2026 football season for the Cleveland Browns, who's most likely to be taking the first team snapshador Sanders or desean Watson, who I believe was just, like, cleared to practice?

[Matt Liner]

DeSean Watson.

[Annie Agar]

Yep.

[Jerry]

And what a story. Like to prove, again, we're in that, like, could you not see this story on ESPN? Like, DeSean Watson lights it up through four games, and all of a sudden, I don't.

[Annie Agar]

I don't even remember the last time.

[Jerry]

I watched him play because he hasn't played in forever.

[Annie Agar]

Can't even remember.

[Jerry]

Yeah, well, those are my two. Those are my two more likelys. I agree. I think, like, nothing says, like, if you're writing a script, the better script is now DeSean Watson's like, a relevant NFL quarterback. Yeah. So that's crazy. All right, Annie, let's get to my old. My torture for the week.

[Annie Agar]

Trivia.

[Jerry]

Trivia. I have to win this one. It's a must win, buddy.

[Matt Liner]

You have to win everyone. I don't even think you can win everyone.

[Annie Agar]

Every game is a must game for Jerry.

[Jerry]

We got a lot of weeks. We got like, seven weeks left, so. Six weeks left.

[Annie Agar]

I will preface this by saying Eddie is now on my. He's on my list. Our producer, because all these questions relate to the Bears. So thank you for that, Eddie. Thank you for that little momentous moment. It's gonna be great. Okay? It is Bears, packers week, guys. Are you ready?

[Jerry]

Yep.

[Annie Agar]

First question. Who was the only Chicago Bear to ever win mvp?

[Jerry]

Walter Payton.

[Annie Agar]

Yep. Wow. Jerry.

[Matt Liner]

God, that seemed, like, too easy.

[Jerry]

I know.

[Matt Liner]

I had a double. I was thinking Gail. Sarah, why was I thinking Gail? Serious. Not Walter Payton.

[Annie Agar]

Walter is too easy. Okay, question number two. Who is the quarterback the last time The Bears were a 1 seed in December?

[Matt Liner]

Rex Grossman.

[Annie Agar]

Yeah.

[Jerry]

Yeah, I didn't think that was.

[Matt Liner]

That was the year we. We beat that, we played them.

[Annie Agar]

Oh, wow.

[Jerry]

That's real fair. Hey, Matt, this week you're playing the 1 seed in the NFL. Rex, it's the last time they went.

[Matt Liner]

To the Super Bowl. Dude, they went super bowl that year and they lo. They. They played P. Manning in the Colts. I'm assuming that's the year 06.

[Jerry]

You gave Matt a question involving a game that you played. They. Yeah. Okay, that's fair.

[Annie Agar]

That's fair. Who. Okay.

[Matt Liner]

You wouldn't have got that anyway.

[Jerry]

It was either Grossman or Cutler. That was it.

[Matt Liner]

It was one. Could have been Kyle Orton.

[Jerry]

No way. No way.

[Annie Agar]

Who was the last Chicago Bear to win Rookie of the Year?

[Jerry]

Oh, Khalil Mack.

[Annie Agar]

Nope. Good, Good guess, though.

[Matt Liner]

No. Defensive Rookie of the Year.

[Jerry]

The last Chicago Bear to win Rookie of the Year. Oh, I have a horrible guess.

[Matt Liner]

Then we're back to even. We can keep going.

[Evan Turner]

Yeah, take a guess.

[Jerry]

Matt Forte.

[Annie Agar]

Nope.

[Jerry]

See, I went. I went. I went. I went niche. I tried to catch.

[Matt Liner]

Okay, we get a hint.

[Annie Agar]

It's a. But it's. Well, this is a Chicago hint. I don't know if you guys will get this one or not. It's on every billboard on your way out to o'. Hare. I'll tell you that. He is on every single billboard.

He's a very well known name.

There's a play on words with o' Hare is what is why he's on every billboard.

It was in 2000, I'll tell you that. I don't know if that helps. 2000 Chicago Bears, very well known name.

[Evan Turner]

Yeah.

[Jerry]

Bears rookie.

[Matt Liner]

Offense or defense?

[Jerry]

Brian Erlocker.

[Annie Agar]

Yep.

[Evan Turner]

Yeah.

[Jerry]

Let's go.

[Annie Agar]

That was good. Yeah. He with the whole going bald thing. Yes. O' Hare is literally every billboard on the way out. There is Locker.

[Jerry]

Okay, okay. One.

[Annie Agar]

Now we have two pictures.

[Matt Liner]

What college did he go to, Jerry?

[Jerry]

Oh, why am I blanking?

[Matt Liner]

New Mexico.

[Jerry]

Okay, keep going, Matt. By the way, I. I shot two scenes of Brian or Locker on Entourage, so don't act like I don't know about Brian or Locker.

[Matt Liner]

I'm just asking what college he went to.

[Annie Agar]

So technically we should get mad about that because.

[Jerry]

Oh, yes, get mad. Me and him had the intimate conversation.

[Annie Agar]

Right. Okay, first picture. Who is this Bears player?

[Matt Liner]

Roma Dunze.

[Annie Agar]

Yep. Good. The hint was going to be something about his dad, but I didn't need to go that far.

[Jerry]

Not fair.

[Annie Agar]

I think we're tired.

[Matt Liner]

How is that not fair? He's their receiver now.

[Evan Turner]

I mean. Yeah.

[Matt Liner]

Two, two.

[Annie Agar]

Last question. Who is this Bears player?

[Matt Liner]

Oh, my gosh.

[Annie Agar]

That is a tough one, because this didn't look like him for a second to me.

[Matt Liner]

Oh, it's DeAndre Swift.

[Jerry]

DeAndre Swift, right. Yeah, I thought it was. I thought it was, but then you talked me out of it. You talked me out of it.

[Matt Liner]

This is what happens every week. You go up two, one and that. I just slide in in the fourth quarter, bro.

[Jerry]

I. I thought it was DeAndre Swift, and everybody was like, no, it doesn't look. It's not him.

[Matt Liner]

Well done, everybody. Meaning who?

[Evan Turner]

You.

[Matt Liner]

Just.

[Jerry]

By the way, he looks like a middle linebacker.

[Matt Liner]

I knew it was a running back.

[Jerry]

But I was like. It was like, he looks like a. He looks like a middle lineback backer right there.

[Matt Liner]

Well, Jerry, you're down 11 to 3, bud.

[Jerry]

11 to 3 in weeks.

[Matt Liner]

The total.

[Jerry]

But the total questions. Is a lot closer, buddy.

[Matt Liner]

It's 38 to 25. I mean, I'm killing you.

[Jerry]

Is it?

[Matt Liner]

Yeah. Dude, just add. Use your math right there. He can add.

[Jerry]

We got a long way to go. We got a long way to go. And you. You keep.

[Matt Liner]

Do I get a prize, Annie, for winning this?

[Annie Agar]

Like, yeah, we haven't figured out what that is yet. We haven't figured that out.

[Jerry]

He gets a case of twisted tea.

[Matt Liner]

Well, I think. I think, Jerry, we should. I'm about something. Jerry, Something funny at super bowl, if that's.

[Evan Turner]

Yeah, yeah.

[Annie Agar]

We were going to do something like a. More of like a. A punishment for the loser instead of.

[Matt Liner]

A. Yeah, that makes sense.

[Jerry]

Easy to. Easy to ask this when you have a nice, cushy lead. This is like. You know who would not like you, Matt? Michael Jordan would not like you. Michael Jordan didn't like the guys who talk trash, and they were up 20 points. You know, we talk trash when you're down 20 points.

[Matt Liner]

Do you want me to start giving you strokes? Like, what do you want me to do here?

[Jerry]

I want nothing.

[Annie Agar]

I want a handicap for you.

[Jerry]

I. I want. I want absolutely nothing. I'm gonna get you. Don't worry. This. I got you right where I want you.

[Matt Liner]

I am not worried one bit, dude. I don't. I mean, I just come on here and just. I mean, it's like, no prep. Nothing. Rex, Gross.

[Jerry]

No. What are you gonna prep for in trivia? I mean, just without knowing the topic. All right, well, thank you. Twisted tea. Everybody grab a refreshing twisted tea today. I'm. I really got to get one on the show next week because I gotta drink my troubles away. Annie, thank you very much. Go. Enjoy viewing. Big week we have a good new tea situation.

[Annie Agar]

Showing my face if the outcome is not what I wanted because I'm in the city of Chicago.

[Jerry]

So we're gonna get a lot of material for a lot of material this week, so I can't wait for it. All right, thank you, Annie. We'll see you next week. We'll see everybody next week.