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So when I'm a kid, I'm like, damn, dog, that's Matt Leiner. I always tell my homeboys in the hood, I say, dawg, Matt Leiner, the coolest white boy I've ever seen.
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I will say I got that in the league, too. I'm proud of that, man.
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You know what I'm saying? For real, though.
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All right, welcome to another episode of Throwbacks, presented by Cash App Set. Sending, spending, saving, splitting, tipping, donating, more on that in a second, gifting, or just typing numbers, all with the number one finance app in the App Store. That's money. That's Cash App. And again, it's at Throwback show on all socials. Leave your comments on the show's YouTube page, all the social media platforms, we will read it. We will get back to you. We always do. Matt Leiner, first and foremost.
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B
What's up, brother?
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C
How, how are you guys doing? You're in the LA area. How's, how are things today for you?
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B
Yeah, you know, it's, it's obviously been just a crazy week here. I mean, I don't, Words can't describe, you know, what's happened to LA and, you know, with the fires and the families and all of that. And I'm sure you've seen the news coverage being in Ohio. It's, it's, it's really, it's really been sad. But I do think, you know, things are getting better obviously as far as the fire and the containment. So, you know, shout out to the first responders of firefighters. They, they were, I mean, it was, it was incredible, I think, just to see those people at work 247 to do everything they could to slow that down. Obviously, you know, thousands and thousands and thousands of people displaced, still evacuated, still can't go home. So I, I did want to spend a minute just to kind of, kind of rattle off a couple places where you could donate. I mean, obviously there's a million places out there which has been really kind of an incredible part of this to see the LA, the city of LA come together. But yeah, to support that. LA Fire Department support LAFD. Kindful.com obviously, they have been true heroes in this California community foundation. The cal fund.org money would go to rebuilding the communities and help families kind of get back on their feet. Pasadena humane.org you know, that's something like, we have dogs and there's been a lot of animals. So for all, all the people out there, like, you can donate to the Humane Pasaden Humane for the animals and Then as you know, Jerry, just a lot of places you go online, there's so many drop off centers, there's so many donation centers, there's so many different companies and people that have just put things together, you know, food boxes, clothes, whatever, and, and just continue to do it. You know, everybody, we need a lot of help. This city, we, these families need a lot of help. So do everything you can, if you can and you know, hopefully we can kind of rebuild the community as soon as possible. So. Yeah, but still, still crazy, man. It's just, it's been a really crazy week.
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I also want to point out too, you know, we work with Sinclair, obviously Sinclair has Sinclair cares.com where all funds raised directly go to support the Salvation Army's Wildfire Wildfire disaster relief efforts. So. And you know, one of our presenting sponsors is Cash app. I'm sure today's day it's a lot easier to get the money to the people in the places that need it. So whatever you could do. I've been talking a lot to our friend of the show now, my good friend Max Greenfield. We talked for a while yesterday. He's fortunately safe and sound, but he's just completely jumped into donate like he, it's his job now. He is donating stuff. He's going to all the center. Like if you look at his Instagram, he's all over the place. And I think a lot of LA is coming together, which is so crazy that it's unfortunate sometimes that tragedy is when everyone comes together. You hate that it has to happen like this. But I keep thinking in my head, you know, the Olympics are coming in 2028. Not that that matters right now, because it does not. But I just think the Olympics will be one of the best comeback stories for a city. I think when we're looking back three years from now and everyone's watching the Olympics and all that stuff, I think it's just going to be a love letter to LA and how the people came together and got each other through this horrific, horrific thing. So we're thinking of all of you.
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B
Yeah, you know, the hashtag kind of has been LA strong. You know, you think of, you know, it's like you said, it's unfortunate because you tragic events and usually things like this help bring a community together. And it's done that and, and guys like Max. And it's interesting because it's almost like I was telling Josie the other day, I was like, I feel like, I feel called that we have, we have to. You just got something like you feel like you have to do something. So I, I, you know, I did a few things, whatever, like any, any little thing for anybody to do, I think can help. But you just felt like, like this is like, you know, like this is our city. Like we know a lot of people who don't have a home, you know, and it's like, and there's been a lot of influx of people coming down to where I am because they're trying to get their kids in school and, and like it's just like, it's, it's very sad but like Max and shout out to Max and everybody else. But like you just kind of feel called to do something and whatever that is, whatever you can do to help. And we've seen that really this week and that's been really, I think, incredible to see for the city of la. So we're going to get through it. You know, it's. This is a strong, resilient, prideful city. The Palisades community is, is the same and, and so, and so in Pasadena and Altadena and all of the other cities that got affected. So, yeah, it's been, it's been a wild, just kind of crazy start to 25, man.
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C
Yeah. And this is definitely not a show goes on situation, but we are here to talk about life and sports. So going off that and we got, we got a fun one today. Later on we have a guest who I, you know, well, I know a little bit, but I've been watching him on Fox. He's part of your, your Fox king. And yeah, you, some might say in the take universe he is an up and not even up and coming. He's established now. He might be a heavyweight king. LaShawn McCoy, you might know me as Shady gonna be joining us later. So excited to talk to him and he's great. Pull, pull some threads on some of those takes but also get his input on. We got a lot to. To go with him, but few leftovers from the NFL weekend and then going into next weekend. All right, I, everyone's always talking about Darnold now. We've been talking about him all year. You know, everyone has their, their take on, oh, he's costing himself money, all that. So something occurred to me, Matt, I wanted to throw by you. Have you ever been on social media, Twitter, Instagram, whatever, and seen one of the crypto bros when there's a big dip in the market, whether it's whatever, something gets hammered and everyone's oh, it's crumbling and the crypto bros Swoop in and say, you know what? This is a sale, actually, I'm going to double up.
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Yeah.
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So for everyone out there saying, Sam Darnold, you can't trust him, it's over. He cost himself. So money it. Is there a team that might look at this like, hey, look, he's still going to cost us some money, but we, we maybe actually now get a discount on a guy who just won a bunch of games and looked really good doing it, even though the playoffs was the playoffs.
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B
You're right, it's a great comparison. There's a couple like big overarching questions regarding Sam Darnold. I think when you look at, do you look, do you look at this, do you look at this year alone and the body of work, which was what, 14 and 3 and really want really one bad game at the end of the last regular season game? Okay, we can get into the playoff game in a second. Do you look at a body of work for this year, the system, Kevin O'Connell, the team, all that, and judge it off of that, or do you kind of go back to the first five years, four or five years, and see like, well, that's, that's who Sam Darnold is, right? Like, like that's going to be two buckets in which these teams potentially outside of the Vikings view him. So how do the teams view Sam Darnold, to your point? Do we get him for 40 million, which would be a massive discount in the quarterback market and a guy who, who now is playing with a lot of confidence and get him into a new system with a new coach? Because you and I have talked about systems in Sam Darnold's perfect for O'Connell. Or does Minnesota just say, you know what, we know what we have in him. We still have a rookie quarterback in J.J. mcCarthy who we haven't seen a lot. He's coming off an injury. We obviously believe very highly in him to take him that high. And he's still getting paid a rookie salary. And we can, we can franchise Sam or we can give Sam a three or four year deal at 40 million a pop and still develop JJ like we've seen Jordan Love develop. He's seen some of these guys. That to me is the question. I don't know the answer to it, but I will say this about the Sam Darnold situation, the saga of Sam Darnold. I, we talked about this a couple weeks ago, dude. And you knew the minute that he started just to show signs of being average, the dogs were coming out dude, the sharks were circling the water and that's exactly what has happened. And it happened after the Lions game. And then we're like, ah, okay, it's one. Let's see how he does in the playoffs. Rams are tough out. The Rams dominated them and that. But, but to me that game and I don't know how you watch that game, you're like thinking, well this is on Sam. Like the offensive line was, was, was terrible. I don't think he played that bad in the playoff game. But again that's, that's the nature of this beast, man. You're as good as your last game and that's how people are going to view him. And it's going to be interesting to see. I don't know, like I'm curious to hear what you think because someone's going to offer him a lot of money. I don't know if it's Minnesota or somebody else.
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For the New York Giants. Yeah, I don't know.
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Let me ask you a question. Would you want Sam Darnold as your quarterback for New York, yes or no?
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I'm gonna say no as of right now only because I don't think the Giants could with Darnold be good next year. So I think we'll be in position if we don't draft a quarterback this year. I don't know if we need the 40 million or 45 million dollar bridge quarterback to hopefully draft Arch Manning in 20, 26 or 7 or whatever. That's my gut right now.
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I reviewed is Sam, I'm gonna ask you. This is Sam Darnold and I'm just asking.
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I don't know if you want him back in that building by the way. If you want him back in Sam, I don't know if you want him back.
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Is Sam Darnold an upgrade from Daniel Jones? And again, I know you're going to look at this year, but overall, I mean Danny Dimes led the Giants and this is a knock on Sam. I'm curious of what your thought is a New York Giants fan, you think.
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For sure he would be a massive upgrade. It's so funny watching Darnold and who is it? Mullins and, and Danny Jane, Daniel Jones walking out of the tunnel. I just know, mark my words right now, whoever the quarterback of the Vikings is next year, whether It's Darnold or McCarthy or both in Daniel Jones is going to do something for the Vikings next year. If he's still there, whether it's a half a quarter, an injury, like someone gets hurt it's just the way it goes. He's gonna.
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You're really, you're really going out on a limb.
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Kevin.
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Okay.
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No, I'm saying, can you. He's going to come in and win him a game and look really good and start this whole conversation of, oh, well, Danny, Danny, Joey, it's going to start. We are not done yet. I think, unfortunately, the NFL is not done yet with this guy.
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I think, I think the best thing is Sam Darn. And again, these guys know this. Like Minnesota keep Sam Darnold. They offer him either franchise him. You offer him a team friendly, semi team friendly deal. You know, his market, I think, has dropped a little bit. And you still groom J.J. mcCarthy and you got, you got your situation. Kind of like what Atlanta was thinking this year with Kirk Cousins and Michael Penix obviously didn't work out. But that, that would be. I think that's the best case if I'm Sam Darnold. And again, if you, I mean, maybe you get offered 50.50mil to 40. That's a lot of money, dude. I get it. But like, for your career longevity, staying in Minnesota, if that's the option, is probably the best thing for him with, with Kevin O'Connor.
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Well, that's something else we always talked about, like, are any of these quarterbacks maybe gonna start taking less to stay in a better situation? Now, look, 40 million. It's not like we're saying, hey, buddy, could you make use with this change? All right? It's not like he's taking.
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B
Yeah, dude. But when you dangle. When you dangle 40 million years.
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C
52. Yes. Yeah. Yeah.
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Over four years. It's what.
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Let me pose it to you this way, though. And I'm not trying to be a Darnold defender, but as a, as a, a fan of a team who I. Again, I don't think in a million years the Giants would sign Darnold, bring him back to that building. But just as a fan, as a team who needs a quarterback. Darnold, you know, came into the league tons of trouble with the Jets. All these limitations. He can't do this. He can't do this. He can't do that. Goes to the ners, then goes to the Vikings. Now this year he's proven Carolina, Carolina, Carolina first. And then that's really Carolina. And that really was where it's like, okay, here are all his limitations and he. Here's what he cannot do.
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Yep.
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Then he goes to the Niners and then the Vikings and all those things everybody said he could not do he figured out how to do, right. He cut down the turnovers, right. So now the knock is. Well, he can't play under pressure in big moments. He held on to the ball very like that's the big knock. The pass rush was there. He also held on the ball and he disappeared in the two biggest games of the year. But you're talking about the guy who's already gotten past all the things everybody said he couldn't do. So if you are betting on Darnold and trying to get the crypto bro discount, you're betting that all right. He's going to figure out how to play in big games and how to handle a Rams team that came in with probably a shit ton of emotion and one of the best coaches in the NFL. You're betting that he's going to figure that out and he's already figured out so much that's the case to me.
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I'm with you.
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Why it's like not over and done with. But yeah, it's a, it's also yeah, you could blame Donald carbon copy two years ago of what happened to the Vikings. They won a bunch of games and the Giants destroyed them up front in the first round in the playoff game. It's a carbon copy with Kirk Cousins who had an amazing year. So it's not all the quarterback that's the case for me of how you might talk yourself into taking the leap on Sam Darnold.
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I love Sam. I think he was. I think he deserves to get paid. I think he should stay in Minnesota if, if that option is presented to him.
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What? Look out for week seven. Daniel Jones comes in the third quarter for an injury and goes for 240 runs for so Daniel Jones, the third string QB, he's gonna get it. He's gonna sneak. We're gonna have a Daniel Jones one game sighting.
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He's gonna go back. He's gonna go back up. He's gonna go back up. Brock Purdy and San Fran. I don't even know who their backup is right now.
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Well, one other thing I wanted to ask you and we were like texting about it but I also want to give clarification for our listeners but also for the like me but don't know the gritty behind the scenes stuff. Okay. I, I, I won some money on the Commanders. One of the only home two home dogs came through with the Rams and the Chargers. But the Commanders were my other kind of. I just didn't see. I just thought they would come out on top because everything seems to they're dangerous, man.
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They're dangerous.
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That, that play at the end of the game, down three, right. Commanders kick a field goal to go up three. The Bucks are going in. They run right down the field. They're going in third in inches. Inches, right, Whatever. They're. They. They come in and there seemed to be a snap count problem. Baker said, hut. Once. No one moved but the center, and the center snapped the ball and everybody was frozen. And Bucky Irving got hit four yards behind the line of scrimmage. How does that communicate?
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And fumbled, right? He fumbled that play.
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I don't know if he fumbled that stopped before yards. And they kicked the field goal to tie it. And you knew the Commanders were going to score after that. So we know what false starts look like. That was not a false start. How does the snap count breakdown happen at that juncture in the game? So I don't.
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Yeah, so I watched it.
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I don't know his fault on the sideline. I don't know how it would be his fault, which.
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Which is great because QBs take the blame for everything that you should. And if there's a fumbled snap, I don't care in what situation who's wrong or right. Bad snap. QBs are always like, my. That's kind of like we all. You. You just take the blame that's on you no matter what. And then you could talk about in the film and like, at the end of the day, they know who really was at fault. Okay? So it's interesting because in 3rd and inches, 3rd and 1, 4th and 1 4th and inches, there's kind of two things. One, you go on quick count, right? Because you just line up, go. You don't give yourself an opportunity to do what happened. You don't give yourself an opportunity to flinch. You go on quick count, qb, sneak dive, whatever the play you're running, just go up there, line up. Boom. Go get it right. Hit them off, you know, kind of hit them off balance, whatever. That's one. Or, you know, you just go on your traditional for one count, whatever it is, and you try and get the first down going on two. And again, I wasn't there, so I don't know. But like, it's. It seems like they went on a. A hard count, which is going on too, and whatever their cadence is, because like you said, everybody jumped or every. Or everybody stayed static except the center, right? So to me, obviously, that's on the center. And how does that happen? Moment in the game, Tired, overthinking it. He. You know, the the play was a dive. He's probably thinking he's got to reach the nose guard or the. Whatever it is just a lot. It's just like in anything, like, if you're reading a line, you got a brain fart, dude, Sometimes you just have a brain fart and you. And you forget your line. Right? It's kind of that simple. How do you do that in the moment of that game? It just happens, right? You're exhausted. Maybe you thought he said on, on. On one. In the, in the one that, that, that happens a lot. Like. And then a lot of times, like, hey, what's the count? What's the count again? Like, a lot of people say that, you know, because you're just thinking about a million things. So it's just the most inopportune time to have.
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I think the Bucks were going to score there. I don't know what happens to have.
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To have a gaffe like that in that moment, man, I think they were.
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Scoring a TD there. They were really rolling right down the field.
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And then B, you know, and Baker, obviously, you know, obviously great player. You know, you take blame and then, you know, he had the fumble earlier on the jet sweep. That really kind of changed the momentum of the game. So it was a tough finish for them. And. But yeah, man, I look to the commanders and Jaden Daniels, like, they are dangerous.
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C
I'm with you. They're just dangerous from the Lions for sure, because they also feel like a team that everything is bouncing in the right direction, going back to the Hail Mary. The, like everything this season sort of lining up. Right. And they're playing great as well. I don't want to. I'm not contributing to luck, but, man, to be walking into Detroit nine and a half point dogs.
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The problem is, is the commander's defense is not going to be able to slow them down. Right. And you're. And, and let me tell you something, dude. And, and again, I, I. Jaden Daniels is dangerous. I don't care if he's rookie or not, he's a dangerous player to win on the road in the playoffs against.
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In Detroit, there's stars for playoff wins.
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That place is gonna be electric, dude. I'm telling you, bro, I, I never played in a playoff game in Detroit.
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But it's funny, no one really did in your area. No, I know. Because there wasn't a whole lot of them.
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I played it, I played it like New Orleans on the road. You know, domes like that that are just crazy. Like, even in Detroit, regular season was, you Know, it's. It's a fun atmosphere. That place is going to be rocking, dude. So. Well, but that's an intriguing game.
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First Commander's win. Playoff. Playoff win since January 7, 2006. I was a little back.
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Who was there? Who was there? Let me see if I can. The quarterback. Was that Grossman? No, he was Bears. He was Bears.
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Can we look up the details of who the Commander. Mark Bruno. Mark Brunette. Wait, what? It was not Mark Brunel. London Andrew.
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London Fletcher.
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C
Mark Brunel was still in a playoff game in 2006. That's insane. Well, do you have any idea? Try to think back. I know I was about 26 years old in 2006. You were then 22. Whatever. 20. What. What was Matt Leiner up to in January 2006?
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Dude, we just lost to Texas in the Rose bowl. I think January 5th or 4th that year.
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So two. So you're now two days.
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I was. That was the beginning of a concussion. That was the beginning of a concussion for me. After you got concussion, I got a little. I had a little too many drinks the night before at the Cabana Club and ended up. Yeah, I think I headbutted my brother.
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Are you, like, drowning your sorrows or are you just all. Are you, like.
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No, I was just. I was. I just was so drunk that I think I headbutted my brother and I concussed myself for like, six weeks before the drop.
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Didn't get a concussion in the championship game, your brother?
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I did. I did.
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I did.
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Oh, you did?
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Actually got. Oh, yeah, I got dinged up in that game. In the second quarter, various, you know, a degree of a concussion. Because I played the. The second half, I actually was like. I was balling, so, like, it didn't affect me, but I got my bell rung. I went down.
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C
Days later, your brother rings your bell again.
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B
Yeah. So then that night we. That night I was, yeah, obviously crying. I was upset. And my college career is over. The next day or the day after, we went to Cabana Club in LA when it was popping. And that was good. That was. I think that was my Michael Jordan story, which.
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C
Oh, is that what you were drinking with an Oakley?
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B
Yeah, I've told that on here.
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Right, You've mentioned it. And then when I went to the Jeter, Oakley's always there. And I was like, you know what? This is either gonna go well or.
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B
Anyway, that's. Yeah, that's when I had a shot. Yeah, that's when I had shots with mj, who was like, great game. He's at the game, blacked out that night. And then apparently, apparently the next day, the. The Commanders won a playoff game.
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C
So they won a playoff game. Well, how about you? I'm sure I. I don't know if the math exactly lines up. It's funny how much we talk about the Golden Globes on this show. We were at the Golden Globes, and this is a big Kevin Connolly shout out right here. So not to sound ungrateful, but we were now been going for, like, three or four years, and it's on a Sunday or a Monday. Like, playoff games, stuff like that. I don't know if it was this exact year, but this is a move Connelly created that is one of the craziest, ballsiest things. So when you go to these award shows, you know, especially if you're nominated, they put you in certain spots in the audience, and, you know, you got to be there for your awards. Like, the worst thing is if you're, like, in the bathroom or somewhere else when they're calling out one of the awards of a show that you Or a movie that you're with. But the playoffs are on and the award shows, like, three and a half hours, and the food is okay, the drinks are fine. But Connolly, we went outside, and he is downtown la. He commandeered a golf cart and a walkie talkie with the production crew. Our awards were at the end of the show, so we have to sit there for three hours before they do Best comedy, best supporting Actor. He's like, ferrara, come with me. We take a walkie in our tuxedos and a golf cart. We tell production radio us 10 minutes before our awards, and he. We drove to either mastros or one in the golf cart in one of these steakhouses downtown. Park the golf cart. We went in, had a steak dinner, watched the playoffs the whole entire time. And 10 minutes on the walk, he goes, all right, guys, we need the entourage. Guys back in their seats. We're doing your work. And we drive the golf cart flying back through downtown and get back in our seats, only to lose to, I think, Desperate Housewives. I think, yeah. They moved the award show to a Monday night from a Sunday because the ratings of Desperate Housewives was destroying the actual Golden Globe Awards show. And of course, that's the show that beat us. So shout out to Kevin Kylie, commandeering a walkie and a golf cart to go watch NFL football. While I know you'd say, like, why wouldn't you stay in the Golden Globes? Trust me, the NFL football playoffs Was, was more important back then.
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The Golden Globes is like the party one.
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C
That's the party one. That's the party.
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B
Let me real quick because we can move on. Do you, do you get invited to these shows every year because of just history or even if you're not on a show, I'm sure Power like.
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C
But like now Power never got nominated. So that's a fun, interesting conversation with Power as successful as it was. It's something 50 always said 50. If you look every year at the awards show, he'll talk shit to the Golden Globes. It's the Emmys. Power. Not one nomination. One of the biggest shows to ever exist on cable television. Not one. Which is.
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B
So do you, do you get invited to go?
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I haven't been asked to go in a while. The last time we went was 2016. We presented an award, an award right around the time in the movie came out. So it's been eight years. I don't know. I don't think they.
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B
I'm, I'm, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just like a plus one. If you ever need one, you know, or plus two, you bring the wife.
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C
Plus you would be.
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B
I would love, I would love to go. I've never been to a. Entered an award show for that. I've always, it was always like the sps, obviously, which are fun too. But anyway, yeah, we did the sbs.
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We had, we had a carry Adrian Grenier through the SB red carpet when they said, Adrian, who's your favorite Yankee of all time? And I just leaned over. This is on video.
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B
He just looks, he just looks at you.
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I'm pulling these up right now. That. Yeah. So yeah, when he told me that I was like really? Buffalo.
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And both Home Dogs 20 over the weekend, the Texans and the Rams.
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I mean, listen, it's two and oh, I mean the Ravens are maybe the hottest team in the NFL right now and they have probably your next mvp. Again, obviously there's debate on that for sure, but man, I mean, I think it's a pick them. I mean one point is one point. I think it's.
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Obviously it could end on one, which is funny. This game could end on one. A missed extra.
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That one is. If that one was like three or four, I'd be shocked. One. I'm not shocked because you know that game needs a toss up. I would lean Bills because they're at home obviously in the way they're playing. And then also just kind of Lamar in the playoffs. We still haven't seen him take that next step. I think the. To me, the interesting one is if there's a team that's going to get upset, it's going to be the Eagles this week. And I know that's six. I'm just telling you, dude, like, and Philly's. Philly's been like the quietest great year of all time, right? Like, they're what they went for. They're 14 and 3 and fans are angry with 14. Still flying under the radar, which is a good thing. Everybody talked about the Rams dude coming in if they make the playoff with McVeigh with a young, kind of nasty defensive line that we just saw with Stafford, who's a dog who can run the football as well as anybody. Like, that is a team that I think can go into Philly and not just cover because I think they'll cover the six. I think they could win, dude. I really do. Philly's tough. Philly's good. And at Philly, obviously, talk about home field, but that's the one where it seems a little high. But if there's a team that's going to get upset this weekend, it's the Eagles.
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I think that's 1, 2. You got to really watch the weather, not say. I'm not trying to say.
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I mean, Stafford is there weather in.
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That game right now. I mean it's just cold as on the east coast, you know, really just win. I mean, Stafford has a cannon, so I don't know how much.
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I mean, yeah, I mean but just.
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Up front, just the Eagles just seem so much bigger on both Sides up front. But that the shocking thing for everybody not realizing with the Rams is their defense. I know throughout the season was terrible and like DVOA and all that stuff, but for the last five games they've been fantastic and their pass rush, as we saw, is fantastic. So that's going to be a fun one.
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Let me, I want to ask you a question. Is because we're the weekend is Josh Allen and Lamar, right? I mean that's like someone's going to take a hit.
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Someone.
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Someone's going to take a hit. Yep. I, I do think a win means more from Lamar for as far as just legacy for sure. I think that. I think if Josh Allen loses this game, I think it's gonna be like I, you know, whatever. But he's been pretty good in the playoffs.
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It always loses to Mahomes. Really. Yeah.
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So I think it means more for Lamar. Is this the. I was thinking about this. Is this the most anticipated quarterback matchup maybe of all time? Because. Because you can go. Brady Manning.
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Brady Manning, I think is the only thing that compares. I just think it really only up for those. I. I can't think of.
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I mean, Alan.
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Fun ones.
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Alan Mahomes a couple years ago in that game was pretty big. But this game, because of mvp and then, and then, you know, just all the narratives surrounding this, like just everybody, you know, nowadays, it's just like you're just take. You're just knocking everything and it's like it's become politicized. It's just so stupid. Like two of the. I I tweeted out, I was like, because these are two of the. To the best quarterbacks in the NFL ever. Who gives whoever wins great. Like these guys want to win a Super Bowl. It just like end all the other bs. But I was thinking about like, man, this like one of the more anticipated quarterback matchups we've ever seen.
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We always talk about which game would you want to go to if you can go. Although this would be if you're ever going to go to a game that's not your team, that you would want to just go say, hey, I was at that game. This certainly has all the makings.
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It feels like I'm not, I'm not going to a playoff game in Buffalo in January.
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Buddy, you did your time. You went to Penn State and you went to south, but you did your time.
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I spent three or four days in Buffalo at a cup of coffee, threw a couple picks in a preseason game. I'll say this. Great fans, man. Great fans. Even for preseason, I was like, damn, this is the hype around the Bills fans. They're real and they love their team. That's why I'm a. That's why I'm a pseudo Bills fan. I just, I enjoy them.
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Here's the funny thing that I want to just point out as an observation. We're making the mistake that every analyst, podcaster, fan has made. We talked a lot about Bill's Ravens. We talked a lot about the Rams and the Eagles. We did a lot. Even on the command, we did not say about the Kansas City Chiefs, nothing. Why, by the way, I'm telling you.
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I'm telling you right now, why are.
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We not talking about the team that's probably telling you again?
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I was gonna say they're gonna make the super bowl again. I. I tell you, it's like, I don't know.
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Shady, if he shows up on time, we gotta ask.
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Shady, we gotta ask. I just, I don't. They've been playing good. Their offense finally kind of picked up. The end of the year, it's the Chiefs, man. Like, like there's something about playoff football. There's something about Kansas City. There's something about Mahomes when it matters the most.
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Like that all cover off Kelsey, like the classic Ferris, the Ferrari.
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And by the way, someone, someone will step up because that's what always happens. Could be. It doesn't matter. Pacheco could go off for 200 like Kareem Hunt. It's just gonna happen, dude. I'm telling you right now. And it's like the curse against all those, all those guys. Are you fatigue?
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Do you have Chiefs fatigue? I don't, but a lot of people do. And a lot of young people fatigue.
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As a football fan, I would love to see the. I would love to see the Bills or Lamar make it because. Because it's like, how do you not like those guys, right? Like, just from a fan, like, Lamar's the greatest. Like, you love Lamar. You kind of, kind of people are rooting for him, right? Obviously the Ravens historically been great Super Bowls. And then, like, it's kind of hard not to root for Josh Allen and the Bills, right? It's a likable. Like, you just like the Bills, you want to see him make it because they played second fiddle to Tom Brady for 20 years, right? Like, but they paid Chiefs, little old Chiefs. And you're like, I don't have fatigue because I just, I respect. Like, it's like Yankees, it's like kind of people have Dodgers fatigue right now. It's like, because they can go out and buy whoever they want. It's like, I respect greatness. I. And I love Andy Reid. They're not an unlikable team. Like, no one, no one. Like, everyone loves. My home's a great. My home's a great superstar. Like, people cannot like Kelsey for other reasons, but, like, Kelsey's a awesome dude. Like, that's a. Like, he. You know what I mean? So I, I would love to see someone else make it, but, man, like, I'm not betting against them.
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It's like these award shows, man, how many years I went. It's like, guess what? I can tell you two things that are going to happen. Meryl Streep's gonna win. Kate. Kate Winslet's gonna win. If you think a movie. He's gonna win. Christian Bale's gonna win.
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This is. This is more like the, like the Pro bowl voting, right?
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Right.
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Not necessarily who's gonna make the play, make the super bowl, because that's one on the field. But like, in the Pro bowl, we used to vote and it was always like your top three. And you would just see the guys and it was like, Erlacher comes to mind. Great, obviously, but it's like middle linebacker, NFC Brian Erlacher. One. Like, it wasn't. It didn't even. And it could have been like someone else had the greatest year of their life. A no namer. But it was always like, the name. And I'm not taking a shot at her lacquer, because he was great. But that was like, you just. It was just like never, like, you actually never really studied it or sometimes we did as players. That's. That's Meryl Streep. Right? That's like, if once you become so iconic and so just like, you're great, it's just like you could just do whatever and you're just going to get nominated. I wonder if that's how it kind of works a little bit behind the scenes. Right?
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I think it's like two things. One, once you're on that level with acting, you get. You get the best material. Like, you're getting the better movie offers and stuff like that. Two, they want you at the award show, they want Meryl Streep there, they want Christian Bale there. So they're certainly nominated. But yeah, it's like at some point you just know what's gonna happen. And it's like, really? Could they really win every single year? And that's how it was. Even with us, with the office to show the office. We'd be at those award shows like these sons of. Look at Rainn Wilson over there. He knows he's gonna win. Steve Carell knows he's going to win. Their show Create. They all know they're going to win. It's done.
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You guys got it.
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Nah, it's all right. It's all right. I like we're the Buffalo Bills, though.
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Hey, maybe Throwback. There's got to be podcast awards. Maybe we'll win our award together.
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We got to get me a ring somehow.
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Dude, we were. We were so Big Noon, it was actually cool. We were nominated for a sports Emmy, which is a big deal, dude. Like, it's a big deal for, you know, like, for the real hard. For everybody. For production, for. For the company, for everybody. And we lost a game day or, like, we lost a game day or, you know, the TNT pregame show.
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Yeah.
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So we're like, it's a tough. It's a tough crowd. But to be nominated was, like, a cool feeling. And for you, it's like, once you taste it, you're like, well, man, I want to win that. So anyway, that was cool, but, like, let's get a. Let's get a podcast. Throwback.
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I had a long conversation with someone yesterday, and they were asking about how you and I came together. And I told him a little bit of history, but also, he was like, yeah, you know what? Too Big Noon's so much better than game day. That's what he said. I didn't even ask. He's like, big news. It's just a better show. Like, if I want to know more, I just. It's just a better show. So shout out to big new. Get that sports Emmy. Speaking of big new, no one saw more Ohio State games than. I feel like you. You definitely are a Buckeye. You could be part of the Buckeye media with how many Ohio State games you've covered professionally. The big one's going on Monday.
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Yeah.
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You and Ohio State's favored by eight and a half. That's. Everyone's on them, justifiably. So has Brady Quinn driven you absolutely nuts with the Notre Dame stuff? Oh, I just pictured when they won. I'm like, oh, my God. Brady Quinn's probably texting Matt a hundred things right now.
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He's actually. You know what? He's actually been kind of quiet this week. No, I think it's more because he's having his fifth baby this week.
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That's a great reason.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, I. I think. Honestly, I don't. I Think maybe today it's happening. It's happening very quickly in the next couple of days. His wife, Alicia, I mean, everyone knows they're pregnant. That's happening pretty soon. But I was with him at the Orange bowl last week, which was a great week, right. And we were watching the game together. Notre Dame, Penn State. And they won on the field goal and actually have a funny video of him celebrating. I'm going to post that. Yeah, he's been fine. I think he. I think he understands the expectation. I think any. Excuse me. Anytime you get to this point, like you got a shot. Notre Dame's a really good team. Well coached, great defense. And we've seen Ohio State at times just kind of lay an egg. And they're. They're playing their best now, but anything is possible. I will say this about Ohio State, and it's not. I could analyze the team. Everybody knows the offensive. They're elite. Ryan Day.
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Yeah, Ryan Day, dead man walking a few weeks ago.
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This could be the greatest just fu. Moment in coaching history. And I say that because the expectation and Urban Meyer. And we'll have Urban on the show one of these days. Urban always talks about the expectation to coach at Ohio State. You got to beat Michigan every year, and you're really. You really. If you're not a national championship, it's a bust. Little like that. That's the level of expectation there. And then the fans hate you, blah, blah. It's just a really tough coaching job. And Ryan Day has been through the ringer, dude, the last.
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I live in Ohio. You do the whole week after Michigan was Ohio State.
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Like, dude, he hasn't been Michigan in a long time.
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All right? But everyone's talking about who his replacement was going to be after the Michigan. Well, that's the thing that was saying in this state.
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And. And then you. You beat Tennessee, you beat Texas, you beat. Oh, no, you beat Oregon, you beat Texas. You go through maybe the three of the top five teams as. While the other side of the bracket was a lot less, was lighter, that's for sure. And you. You're going to probably win a national championship. It's. I'm telling you.
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That's what I wanted to ask you, though, in your experience, right? Ryan Day, he took all the heat after that Michigan loss. He was dead man walking. They were out for his job. His throat, can that galvanize a team? Can players rally around the coach who's like, the players didn't really take the bullets. They did a little bit, but the coach took the bullets. Could. Could a team rally around that public just all over their coach? Could that galvanize a run like this with the mo. The most talented team in the country.
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For sure. And. And one. Absolutely. And for sure. The big reason too, when you look at Ohio State, they had a lot of guys return. They have a lot of guys on that team that have been there for a long time, right? Which is they pay in a world of nil. They've paid a lot of guys to stay and a lot of guys like, like a Jack Sawyer and some of these, like a Mecca Abuka who all could have left NFL or left probably for maybe more money. A lot of them like unfinished business. Right. Had to say so. So that's a, that's a credit to the coaching staff and the culture. But like, that's also while I think this team, it's a very mature team and even a guy like Will Howard, who's in year five and some of these got like, some of their better players. Like, so they've rallied behind their coach because they've been there for a long time. They know. They know how hard it is. They know the pain and suffering of losing the Michigan and what that feels like for the last handful of years. Like, they just know. Just like Michigan knew forever before that. So, like, yeah, I think that team that I. We might see a Ryan Day on the shoulders on Monday. On Monday night. I'm telling you so.
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And I know so much about last weekend being unbelievable for sports. I think this weekend's better.
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Oh, yeah.
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Ravens, bill all the NFL playoff. I think this is.
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This is anytime.
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Anytime football's going Monday night, they're gonna go after it. Good luck to all my in laws who are pulling hard for osu. All right, now it's time for our money moments presented by our friends over at Cash App. Sending, spending, saving, splitting, tipping, donating, gifting, or just typing numbers, all with the number one finance app in the app store. That's money. That's Cash App. Matt, I got. I gotta talk to you about some stuff for my money moment. It's a different kind of money moment, buddy. Do you want to start? Do you want me to get right to it?
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Tell me what's. Tell me what's on your heart, bud.
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It's a money moment, but it's more a therapy moment. They're tied together.
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You know, I'm your personal therapist and. And by the way, I'm free, so it's okay.
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I'll cash app you some money. Though if I do owe you for Therapy. So you know you're about to have a third baby real soon. It's coming up very, very happy for you guys. I can't wait.
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Are you, Are you.
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I know. Truly.
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No, I know.
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I've teased a few times on this show that my wife really wants a third baby. She knows I'm saying all this, so I'm not betraying any trusts. Let's just say she's. She's covered some ground in the last few weeks of us trying to have a third. I. Not that I've been against it, but I'm 45. She's turning 37 today. Happy birthday, baby.
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Love you.
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Put you on blast. And for my money moment, I just. After I got past all the how much life will change for a third baby, I started going down the road with my wife because I just don't think she knows of how much it costs to raise.
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That's our, that's our world. They don't care. They just say, oh, we'll be fine.
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That's my money moment. Because you know what I remember? I remember when they're babies, they don't cost nothing. If your wife breastfeeds, there's no food, it's just diapers and that's it. They don't cost anything. But now I got a five year old and a four year old, we just went on a vacation and all this stuff. And they're in taekwondo and basket and I'm like, you know another.
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Are they in private school out there?
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Yeah, they're in like a Montessori school, so.
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Yeah. So you're paying, kid? Yeah.
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I'm not saying we should base the decision off of that. And I know a lot of. A lot of. And we're fortunate and a lot of families, large families, work across all different financial areas.
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Yeah, you sound like a sport. You sound like a spoiled Jerry. Come on.
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C
I'm just trying to point out my. I don't know if my wife has any idea, truly, how much we've spent on our two kids. Is that okay to bring up just as a money moment? Is that fine?
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For sure. By the way, like in my house, I'm the one that's like, well, yeah, like now we're gonna have to pay for five flights. Well, a newborn, not for a bit, but like we're paying for five people. And it used to be like, you guys know, like before the boys were two, like they're lap kids, right? Like it was, you're paying for you everything. You buy one extra seat so you have yes, you can. You have three seats for four people. Now it's like, no, you gotta. You gotta pay for all four. Yeah, dude. Now you gotta pay for five. And then all of a sudden, in about three years, all three are gonna be in Montessori or private school. I don't know, I'm sure where you live, but it's pretty damn expensive. So.
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Again, I'm not crying the blues. This isn't like a. Oh, my God. I'm not crying the blues. I'm just saying, is it. When you do think about expanding your family, now that we get past all the emotional parts of it, which my wife and I have worked well, I'm just thinking about it.
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That's because you and I think rationally.
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We think it's not even on the table for her. Yes.
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B
Oh, yeah, dude. The wives don't give a shit, dude. They're just like, oh, we'll just figure it out. Our family's going to be complete now. And this and that. And I'm like, fuck. I mean, I get it. I get it.
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C
Well, dude, listen, man, I think she's won the battle. I think we might. There might be some news, though. You.
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B
You already. You already waved the white flag. Let me tell you this. You are not. You are not alone. I'm in this with you, buddy. I. I have your back. Okay?
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C
We just need. We need throwbacks to continue. So. Yeah, we need throwbacks.
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Cash app. Cash app. We appreciate you.
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C
Or next thing you know, I'm going to be asking you, like, hey, do you need any, like, comedic actors on BIG Noon? I'm going be asking you to hire me a big.
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B
We'll give you a guest. We'll give you a guest spot. You'll get paid for appearance.
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C
Guess gig. Thank you. That we're having some good fun. But we're all honest. We are excited for you. And you guys have been some healthy motivation for us to expand the family. So we're in the. It'll be great for the podcast. It's always great for the podcast.
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It's always nice, I think, in this generally, like when you have friends, family, friends, close inner circle in the same. Even though we don't live next in the same timeline. Right like that. That's what helps. Like, you just get through it, man. You. Whether it's good, bad, venting, emotion, all this stuff, you're just. You're on. You're on the tidal wave to together, dude. And sounds like you're going to be joining that title wave here pretty soon, which I Can't wait to. I can't wait to get that news at some point.
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Shout outs to cash app. Send. Send money quick. Please send. Shout out to our.
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Shout out to our wives. Shout out to our wives who will not listen to this segment.
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C
And also big happy birthday to Brienne Ferrar. I love you, babe.
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B
Yes. Happy birthday, Bri.
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All right, let's take a quick break and then let's get to Shady McCoy, everybody. This episode is brought to you by Amazon. Sometimes the most painful part of getting.
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Of college football while having some fun bringing you guests from all over sports and entertainment. Watch triple option on YouTube or listen on Apple podcasts, Spotify or wherever you get your podcasts. All right. You could see him on weekdays on Fox's the Facility. He's also got his own podcast with Desean Jackson called the 25 and 10 Show. You all remember him as the legendary NFL running back Lean McCoy joins the show. Thank you so much for coming on, man.
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Hey, listen, now, a lot is because Matt, you know what I'm saying? That's my boy. On my high school recruiting trip, he took good care of me, right? But another reason why I came on this podcast, I wanted to talk to you. Listen, I got a lot of talent, dog. I'm trying to get into acting. Yeah. All right, so you got some connections. So.
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C
So talk to me. You want. Would you have wanted Entourage or Power back in it? Like those shows are both. Not now. Listen, Power's kind of on the air. Which show would you want him to be on?
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Now, 50 Cent was always my favorite as a kid. Right. I just gotta be honest. And listen, I love them lawyers that don't mind getting a little dirty. Yeah, I like Power. Yes.
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Hey, that was always very bigger debates is me versus Method Man. Who's the lawyer on the spin? I'm like, don't put me up against my childhood Method man is my childhood. Wu Tang is for the children. We know that. He was the lawyer in the spin off. And I feel like Proctor got the better of Method man, though. As the law. As the dirty lawyer.
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Yo, real talk, though. Powers like that, though. Only thing I don't like about Power, I be. I. I hate Tyreek. Yeah. I don't like him.
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Everybody got mad at Tyreek.
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A
Yo, when y'all got rid of Ghost, it hurt me, dog.
- [50:55]
C
Listen, you know, people still to this day come up and ask me, was that real? Like, is that. Is he coming back? I'm like, you guys, everybody answers it all day.
- [51:04]
A
If I call my dad on FaceTime, he's like, Listen, I'm telling you right now, he's going to come back eventually.
- [51:10]
C
Your dad's one of the Ghost truthers. He thinks Ghost is coming back.
- [51:13]
A
My whole family's in there. My Grandma, she's, like, 85. She loves. She loves power. Yeah.
- [51:19]
C
Wow. I love that.
- [51:20]
A
But they're from New York, so I guess that's why.
- [51:22]
B
By the way, a month ago, a couple months ago, we had. We did a pod with the whole Entourage crew. So they all came back. We haven't even put it out yet. And they made me. I had to read a whole. I had to audition in front of Jerry.
- [51:34]
C
We made him do.
- [51:35]
B
Yeah, we did a.
- [51:36]
C
Remember the movie Draft Day? You remember Draft Day?
- [51:38]
A
Come on.
- [51:39]
B
By the way, Aaron Foster was in that. He auditioned.
- [51:42]
A
Yes, he was.
- [51:43]
B
He was that and running. They made me redo a whole thing, and they were just kicking my ass in this.
- [51:48]
A
Well, how'd you. How'd you do? You're a quarterback.
- [51:50]
C
We're gonna drop it soon. We're gonna drop the audition system. It's recorded. We're gonna.
- [51:54]
B
I gotta. I got acting credits, man. I think I was pretty good with.
- [51:57]
A
The US you got to be.
- [51:59]
B
Come on, seriously. Like, dude, I know, man.
- [52:02]
C
So listen, right before we jumped in, you mentioned coach wants that, too. And, you know, you responded in a tweet where you said, coach wants that. Saved my life. Can you. Could you, for a second, dig a little deeper? What do you. What do you mean? Like, he told the story a little bit where, you know, you'd broken your leg and that stuff, but tell us about. About coach.
- [52:22]
A
I. I won't get too deep into it because I get emotional. That's, like, the only story that kind of gets me really emotional, you know? Cause, like, so in high school, I'm from Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, right? And I had all those, you know, the big scholarships Right. Like I said, I remember when Matt was.
- [52:37]
B
We're gonna get there in a couple minutes, so save it.
- [52:39]
A
You know, I don't remember.
- [52:40]
B
I don't remember a lot of that weekend, so don't get me in trouble.
- [52:44]
A
Yeah, look, now, you know, Matt, you're my boy. But we just talking, and I remember when I'm like, damn, that's Matt Leiner. You know what I'm saying? Like, oh, shit. Reggie Bush, all these dudes, Lindell White, they had all nice cars before the nil was really real. And Matt, he had a girlfriend, right? I guess it's your baby mom now. I don't know what it is, but they was going back and forth. I'm like, oh, damn. You know what I mean? Okay, makes sense, right? But nah, I was the top, you know, top recruit. And I had all, what, like seven, eight scholarships? It's crazy because I was so highly recruited that only the head coaches really recruited me. You know what I mean? Like, I had T. Mac was the running back coach, but, yep, I really dealt with. With Pete Carroll. You know what I'm saying? And so I had everything. I thought I knew everything. And then I broke my ankle. And then, like, autumn schools and calls, they stopped, right? And I was like, damn. And I remember when, like, Penn State is the in state school, right? So they're always got to be loyal because there's other players in the state they want to get from my high school or around the area. And Wanstead from Pitt, he had a big name, right? And he was still trying to recruit me. I'm like, dang, I only got, like two schools left.
- [53:55]
C
That's crazy.
- [53:56]
A
I try to commit to Miami just to. Because I love Miami, right? All the best running backs, but they honored my commitment. But they didn't really honor it, to be honest. So I remember I had to go to prep school because I didn't want to go to school no more. I was banged up. I didn't have no scholarships. And when I get to the prep school, you know, Armstead, when he was still talking to me the same way, he said, I'm the only coach. That's what he told me. I'm the only coach that has the power to put you in front of the NFL scouts, put you in front of NFL head coaches. I remember him calling up Norberg Turner, he called ladamian Thomason. So he was still selling me, right? And the whole time I was like, you know what? I'mma go to Penn State just because it's the in state School. And, like, at the time, this is a crazy story. So when I break my ankle, Penn State, they find out they don't let no doctors do my surgery. They fly their doctor, their team doctor from their game in Happy Valley, right? On helicopter. He comes in the hairspray and does my surgery. So they're thinking, like, all right, this kid's got to come here because we doing all this for him, right? Right. So. But I didn't feel like I fit in because Paterno, rest in peace, he was like, he had one agenda, and all the other coaches had something else. So, like, small example, I just told you I'm a 50 Cent fan. So I got the durag on with the coat, with the hat, with the jersey, right? He comes in there, the coach said, hey, take your stuff off. Paternal's coming, right? Right. Yeah. So then when I. So I remember, Juan said, hey, look, just come do a visit and to see how you like it. So I remember telling my dad, like, I mean, it's pit.
- [55:35]
C
Like, come on.
- [55:36]
A
You know what I'm saying? It's pit. But I told him, I go, right? So I go take the visit. And I loved it, right? And Watson said, yo, I'm not guaranteeing you gonna start, but I'm gonna give you a chance to regain your name, regain your status. So when he told me that, you know what I mean? Then I get the pit, you know, it was real. You know what I mean? And, like, everybody that kind of, like, turn it back on me and treat me a certain way, you know, Juan gave me a chance to regain that respect, you know what I mean? I went in there and I went to work, and I really did.
- [56:09]
B
Yep.
- [56:10]
A
I remember my freshman year, I started whatever, you know, like, all American stuff and all that. Then my second year, I remember one of the coaches, he coached in the NFL. I won't say his name, but he said Wanstead came in the first day of camp. He said, all right, guys, we gotta make some moves, because 25, he won't be here long. And I always, you know, thank Juan Stay for that, because, you know, my life has changed. You know what I mean? And, like, without him, you know, who knows? You know what I'm saying?
- [56:40]
B
So. So Coach Juan stay.
- [56:42]
A
Really?
- [56:43]
C
Wow.
- [56:43]
A
His wife, Jan. Great, great woman. You know, they're good family, man, and, like, they really, you know, without what I wanted, I probably. Who knows?
- [56:51]
B
You know, man, we appreciate that. It's. It's. I. I work with Coach or Fox forever, and there's like. And I told Jerry. And when we had him on last week, I told Jerry, I said, man, you're gonna love Coach, man. He's like, I just want to go.
- [57:04]
C
Hang out with him for, like, an hour. He's.
- [57:06]
B
He's loyal. Obviously. He's loyal. He, like, he's genuine. Jan is the best. And, like, I really, like, we really became family the years we worked at Fox, and we just. And I'll tell you this, man, I'm not just saying this. Like, he spoke probably the most highly of you. He'd tell fun stories.
- [57:20]
C
He loved that. But you could tell.
- [57:21]
B
But he was like, man, Shady was my boy, man. Like, that. He's like, if I could give him the ball 60 times a game, I would have put his ass in Wildcat every single week.
- [57:29]
C
Hates quarterbacks.
- [57:31]
B
He hates quarterbacks. He was like. He's like, matt, you quarterbacks are soft. You know, Coach, he's a pit guy, man. He's tough as nails. But, dude, that's awesome. So you. Okay, so you mentioned the nil shit. Okay, so first of all, I drove a Ford Ranger at school. I. I picked you up in a Hummer. I know. Here's the story. We went in a Hummer. It wasn't my car, but it was a relationship prior to going. So it was a fam. It was a family car. We can dive into USC in a second. But I drove a white Ford Ranger pickup, and my boys used to make fun of me like, yo, what the. Dude? Why are you still driving that car? I was like, I'm not getting paid like some of the other guys here getting paid. Okay, Coach, basically, I quote, said, shady, we were. We were nil before Nil. I remember borrowed a Hummer. I don't remember who drove because it wasn't me. But did I. Was I driving?
- [58:19]
A
I don't remember.
- [58:20]
B
I don't think so. So, okay, so we borrowed a Hummer. A friend of mine, who I was. I was friends with before, you know, all that shit. So, like, it was, like, a long relationship, so wasn't a, you know, violation. I just. All I remember from that weekend is. And all I tell people is like, yeah, I help host Shady. Obviously, I didn't do a good enough job because he didn't come. That's all I remember, dude. So you might.
- [58:44]
C
What do you remember? Talk to us.
- [58:48]
A
So when I'm a kid, I'm like, damn, though. That's Matt Lantern, yo. I always tell my homeboys in the hood, I say, dog, Matt Lyon, the coolest white boy I've ever Seen, you.
- [58:58]
B
Know, I will say I got. I got that in the league, too. I'm pro. I'm proud of that, man. I appreciate you.
- [59:03]
C
Yeah.
- [59:03]
A
And we wasn't a hummer, right? I remember going to. I went shopping with Reggie Bush, right now. We cool, man. Reggie, we cool now. But, like, back then, I was like, damn. Like, that's Reggie Bush. I remember we go to the mall and they closed the store down, and they say, yo, get whatever you want.
- [59:20]
C
Damn. Yeah, that's wild.
- [59:23]
A
I remember liner. He was fighting with this girl, arguing with her all night. I do remember that. I was with. Oh, you was with Lindell White?
- [59:33]
B
Yeah. That's my dog.
- [59:34]
A
Yup. They was hanging out.
- [59:35]
B
That's my dog.
- [59:36]
A
I swear to God, man. I remember going to Pitt. Like, damn, dawg, we ain't living like usc.
- [59:40]
C
Like, where's the sunshine, Dwayne?
- [59:44]
A
Jerry had a little Mercedes. I remember going to. We went to Roscoe's Chicken and Waffles. What's the big security guard in? Black dude, bald head. On Friday. On Friday.
- [60:00]
C
Oh, he played Debo. You talking about.
- [60:02]
A
Not Debo, the other one. He was selling the weed to Smokey.
- [60:06]
C
Big perm. You're talking about Faison. Love him.
- [60:10]
A
I remember the first time meeting Snoop Dogg. I'm like, yo, if USC wasn't as far. Well, I mean, they kind of dropped the offer, but I was going there.
- [60:18]
B
I can't believe that.
- [60:19]
C
If you don't get hurt, you're going to sc. Easy.
- [60:22]
A
And I wasn't scared. Who they had. I see the players they had. I seen Reggie. I see all them dudes. I'm in the mix.
- [60:27]
B
I'm going, would you. Would you say. So I was thinking about this. I was like, because Reggie is what, 12 years older than you would have been two or three.
- [60:35]
A
Reggie was.
- [60:36]
B
He was probably because. Because you. I mean, you're obviously a little younger. Like, you remind me of him, right? Like, you were the type of game. Was that. Was that the. That's the guy you emulated? Yeah, exactly.
- [60:46]
A
I never even. Since we just rapping you from SC and all that, so. Yeah, I remember when. When I went to Pitt, my Number was number 20, right? Reggie was always five. He goes to the league. He's 25. I'm like, yo, hey, listen. Hey, Reevis left. He was 25. Reggie Bush. Let me get that. 25. I'm gonna show y'all something.
- [61:06]
B
Hell, yeah, bro.
- [61:10]
A
He had every. Every kid in the hood had the whole strips on the eyes area code. So that's why I wore 25?
- [61:18]
B
Because, dude, I still say this today. Like, if a kid. Usually it's like, for me, it's like, dads like, oh, you know, son, this is Matty played at usc. These kids have no clue. I'm like, guys, you guys know who Reggie Bush is? They're like, yeah. I'm like, I was his quarterback. That's literally what I say. And they're like, oh. And then they. I'm like, they have no idea. But like, that's the imprint, man. That dude in college was ridiculous, man. Like, he, he was the best college football player I'd ever seen. Like, what he was able to do, it was incredible.
- [61:45]
A
Even like getting to know him in the league. So we played with, in Buffalo together.
- [61:50]
B
I was going to say, you guys probably played in Buffalo for a year.
- [61:52]
A
And like. And I'm real competitive, right? Like, I don't. Like I was with the Eagles. I remember we got Ronnie Brown and the whole camp. Like, I was on his ass just to let him know, like, you know what I mean? This is weird, like, competitive nature we had.
- [62:05]
B
Yeah, of course.
- [62:06]
A
And when we got Reggie, it hit me like, oh, you bringing in Reggie? And then the other fans side was like, shit, I'm about to play with Reggie. And that's how I knew, like, dog, this is really like my childhood high school idol. You know what I mean? Because normally I wouldn't have been like that.
- [62:22]
B
You know, that's pretty rad.
- [62:24]
C
So you said you had what, 70 something offers?
- [62:27]
A
70.
- [62:28]
C
Are there any other school visits though, that stand. Obviously sc, but any other schools, even just the visit. Maybe you weren't gonna go, but you were like, that was a great. That's a great spot. I'm just not gonna go there. Anything stand out to you? I'm obsessed because I didn't really. I barely went to college, so I think this is like, how you doing?
- [62:43]
A
Good for yourself then that's pretty good, bro.
- [62:45]
C
I'm all right. I'm all right with no, College ain't for everybody.
- [62:50]
A
You know what? This is a crazy story. So I go to Penn State. This is when Mike Robinson was having a phenomenal year as a corner, right?
- [62:58]
B
Mike was nice too.
- [62:59]
A
I was this dude named Videl Hazardson, one of the top. Did you. Was you? No.
- [63:03]
B
You left before he was at sc.
- [63:05]
A
I know, but you, you didn't.
- [63:07]
B
But he transferred.
- [63:08]
A
But you didn't. You didn't play well because he was you.
- [63:09]
B
No, but I remember the name in recruiting. Like they were recruiting him. Yeah.
- [63:12]
A
So we there and he's the top wide receiver or whatever. And Penn State was a phenomenal time. And we were having a conversation and I've always been like this real honest, you know what I'm saying? And it's nothing like a. It'll come from like a malicious place. I'm just being real. And we were talking about like the quarterbacks and these dudes are trying to say that Mike Robb was better than Vince Young. So I'm like, whoa, fellas, are y'all joking or y'all seriously. And then we going back and forth and then he shows up. Mike, he shows up. So me and the guys are arguing and Mike's in there and he was a super cool dude. He was like, it's all good. He's like, he's a young buck, you know, he don't understand. And to this day we always talk about. Cause it was a rumor that we had a fight, which we never fought. And me and Mike always laughed about it. Like everybody made a big deal about it. And I was like. I was a 17 year old kid, just was speaking his honest opinion because Mike had a phenomenal year. But this young and well, you know.
- [64:09]
C
I mean, you know, listen, man, you. I was listening to you the other day.
- [64:13]
B
Trust me, his knee was down.
- [64:15]
C
Calling Chase Daniels on the phone. Your take on Darnold, man, I. I said it earlier in the show. You said at some point how like superstars struggle, but then they get back to themselves. You call. So I would not mess with you with evaluation, man.
- [64:28]
A
You've been. Think about that for a second though, right?
- [64:30]
C
It makes a lot of sense.
- [64:31]
A
Everybody's like, so I'm a guy plays, so. But I think like you not surprised. See, the thing I like about what people do now is if you're a really, really good player, right? Like Lamar Jackson and he's struggling in the playoffs. They never forget. They never forget that.
- [64:45]
C
And they always hold on to it forever. Yeah.
- [64:46]
A
And then sooner, dude like San Darno, who's. Who's been what he's been. He plays well. It's like you forget that he was bad. I just hate that part of it because it's so hard to be good and consistent every year in the league. It's hard.
- [64:58]
C
So you mentioned Lamar earlier in the show. We were talking about this might be the best second round, non super bowl. Even some Super Bowls, man. Like I. The matchups aren't always this good. And I know you played with Josh Allen. I mean, what do you. I'm. That's the One game I can't like. First of all, the Bills are at home, dog, which is kind of crazy. They're getting points at home.
- [65:20]
B
Yeah, yeah.
- [65:21]
C
What do you think? I'm not even asking for a prediction, but just how do you feel about this game with those two battling? That's a heavyweight fight.
- [65:29]
A
Lamar Jackson is a two time mvp. I've never seen play this good. I mean, dude looks like Superman. Running the ball, throwing the ball, right? Sending plays, winning football. And then Josh, I've been so I named him the franchise when he was a rookie, you know what I mean? He's a freak, man, bro, Tough as nails.
- [65:47]
B
I know.
- [65:47]
A
Talking about I run you over. He's always been like that. Jump over you. I throw the ball 80 yards in the air. He's a beast. And like I said, even he's outnumbered. You look at the Ravens team, right? They got like nine Pro Bowlers and Josh got like two.
- [66:01]
B
Thank you for saying that, by the way to Jerry, because Jerry thinks his supporting cast is really good.
- [66:05]
C
I like Shakir a lot. I like Keon Coleman. I think they're all right. I think those are good guys.
- [66:10]
A
Them dudes don't even make other teams for real though, you know what I'm saying?
- [66:14]
C
Listen, I can't debate you, man. You've been right about everything.
- [66:17]
A
Like with Shakira, you think he would start on the Ravens right now?
- [66:23]
C
No, I mean, I think he'd be their number six. He's solid.
- [66:25]
A
He's solid. He's not.
- [66:26]
B
Yeah, he's solid.
- [66:27]
C
Be nice to have him with. No, Zay Flowers would be nice to have over there.
- [66:30]
A
I'm saying Zay was playing, right? Zay was playing. You got.
- [66:32]
C
No, he's not going over Zay.
- [66:33]
A
That's what I'm saying. It's like Josh loses Stephan dates and you still up for the MVP and you about to. You know what I'm saying? Like that's hardest shit to do, you know? Like, Matt, you'll understand this. Like, so now that like I'm on tv, I watch mad film, mad tape, of course. And I've seen like when Josh didn't lose, right? The other opposing defenses play straight man coverage. We just gonna play, man, because our quarterbacks is better than your wide receivers. So that's why Josh gotta hold the ball and do all this crazy shit to get these extended plays because they not really getting open.
- [67:04]
C
They're not open.
- [67:05]
A
You know what I mean? And then like Lamar, Lamar is great overall, but you got like Derrick Henry and them guys, so I just. If it's. If I'm picking a team to win, I think Lamar and them probably wins us their overall better, better team.
- [67:18]
B
But you still think. I know you've been high on Josh to win the mvp. Do you still believe he should win the mvp?
- [67:23]
A
Yes.
- [67:24]
B
Yeah.
- [67:25]
A
It's so hard to do the things he's doing with the supporting cast. Like, I think about if he doesn't play well in the game, they can't win. Lamar plays bad, though. They could find a way to win.
- [67:37]
C
Derrick Henry could have 200 yards.
- [67:39]
A
You get what I'm saying? Like, that's a real thing. And Josh finds ways, bro. He. He's different. He's different.
- [67:46]
C
Do you think the winner of that game, regardless if I don't know what's gonna happen with the Chiefs and the Texans, you assume for a minute it's going to be the Chiefs. Do you think the winner of the Bills Ravens games going to the Super Bowl.
- [67:57]
A
I can't do. I can't say that.
- [67:58]
C
All right, good. Listen, I feel like everyone. Where no one talks about the Chiefs enough for me, they're still sitting right there, home playoff game, waiting with another. Another home playoff game.
- [68:08]
A
It's crazy because it's like, yo, like every conversation I hear is Josh and Lamar thinking like, yo, we got a dude that's going for a three peat. We got a.
- [68:15]
C
No one's talking about him.
- [68:16]
A
We got a head coach, any Reese, the best mips of all time. And the thing is, like, it's like, Jason, like, I got to make sure he's dead. I think this might be the year we kill.
- [68:26]
B
Let me make sure he always comes back.
- [68:29]
A
You wouldn't have told me last year the Chiefs would have won a Super bowl now. Yeah, in 2019. Right. I was blessed to go back to injury, you know, as you leaving out. You want to steal some rings, you know what I'm saying?
- [68:40]
B
Hell, yeah.
- [68:40]
A
So I got me a little ring and I watched him win with, like, speed. Explosive offense. Okay. Defense, Pat making plays. Tyreek Hill. Right. All that stuff. Then they move from that. The next year, the wide receiver's not as good. They dropping passes. They still win. You know what I'm saying? Like, they just find a way to win. And now you get them guys that was injured, Hollywood Brown and all that. They. They gonna be good.
- [69:04]
C
Man, I can't believe you. You're saying you played with Reggie. Because Matt and I were talking about this before you came on, too. So you've played with Josh Allen, you've played With Mahomes. You had some time with Brady, right?
- [69:18]
A
I played with Brady for the whole year.
- [69:19]
C
You played with Michael.
- [69:21]
A
Chips. Don't count my chips off.
- [69:22]
C
I'm never. No, never. We count all the chips over there. I count my. My beach ball MVP award.
- [69:28]
B
That goes on your hall of Fame resume, bro. You're gonna be just fine.
- [69:32]
C
I mean, I. That. I don't think anyone has that part of their career that you could say that you've played along. So that's why, like when I listen to you on Fox, it's like you gotta pay attention. These guys play with the best of the best. It's like so clear. So, like, what do you gather? Like, seeing all those quarterbacks, are they really just different? Like we're talking about Darnold, but like just the way, like you said, the best players, at some point, even if they're having a bad, are going to come back to what they were.
- [70:00]
A
It's crazy how they are so similar, but they're all so different. Like, the similarities is like they're all three of them dudes. Oh, super crazy competitive. Oh, wait, Brady's like nuts with it. I remember being in practice with him and, you know, he's slow as nails and everybody makes jokes about it, right? And that shit's funny. And then you start seeing him at practice at the end, challenging dudes to race. You get what I'm saying?
- [70:25]
C
That is psycho. Like, what are you doing?
- [70:27]
B
Psychotic, man.
- [70:28]
C
You're old. What are you doing?
- [70:29]
A
Another thing is like, they all, they're not worried about each other, but they all ask about each other. Like, I remember when I went to. When I left the Bills and I went to the Chiefs. Now Pat is the big dog, obviously, but he would say, ask little things like that. Like, you know, Josh got a big arm and asked about things like that. And I leave there, then I go to the Bucs. And Brady, now obviously he's the big dog, he ain't really worried about Pat, but he says stuff like, you know, the no look passes and this and that. And he was asking how he worked and how he prepared. And in my head I'm like, damn, he was interested to know how Pat is. And I remember saying, I remember telling us that he knew that Patrick Mahomes was a different quarterback when it was time for him to get a new contract. And he got such a long contract so he could pay other players, right? Well, normally you see the quarterbacks, oh, you want to give me $50 million? Give it to me. Come on.
- [71:22]
B
Yep.
- [71:23]
A
And Pat and. And Brady was the same way. I'd rather get all my weapons, some money, because for me to win championships, I ain't worth no money. I want to win championships. And for one to do that, I got to pay players on my team. So they all are super similar. I think Pat is probably. He has it all as far as the talent with the arm and the running ability, the it factor to win. And he's smart enough where Brady was just. He's so much more smarter than everybody. I remember in the game where we in the playoffs, I won't even say which game it was, but. And the whole week the coach is saying how yo they're going to play this coverage. Brady has his own little meeting, right? He texts all the skilled players what he's talking about. Listen, they gonna play us in this coverage. Brady was so down in the Super Bowl. He went through like he did if he was at home. And did a video on all the cornerbacks, the linebackers, the safeties, the stars in the backup, saying he's bad at man. He's bad at man coverage. He's better at his own. He. His deficiencies are off coverage. Everybody, damn, we were. So when we get to work, all the skilled guys, the running backs, the wide receivers, we like, dog, this dude is freaking different.
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B
He's psychotic, dude.
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A
He want to play right now. Pride was.
- [72:45]
B
He was he. I think there's no argument that he's the greatest of all time. Maybe Pat gets there one day. Obviously. Easy, right? If they're all different, like you said, if there's someone. And it's probably between Pat and Tom, but like prime Pat, Tom, game on the line, two minute. Like, you're like, I want Pat all day or I want. Shit, maybe it's Michael Vick. I don't know. I want Tom all day. Who's that QB for you? I mean, maybe it's Josh Allen.
- [73:13]
C
There's no wrong answers. Really?
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B
There's not a wrong answer.
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C
There's no wrong answers.
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A
I think I'll say this right, right? There's nobody like Brady. Right? There's nobody like Brady. So Brady is always going to be the answer because you see what he does. Different teams, different coaches. Shit don't matter. I'm a win. Only thing I'll say about Pat, and Pat does have Andy Reid, which people need to start giving him more credit.
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B
Because I told Jerry that a bunch, man.
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A
But I don't know if he'll be that. You know what I mean? Like, he'll be great. But Andy Makes it a lot different, like touchdowns. You scoring the super bowl uncontested. That's Andy Reid ain't Pat. I would say, out of all the quarterbacks, because Josh Allen is that if factor too. I'm going to give it to Pat, though. I watched Pat, dog. I'm going to win this game. All right. Y'all ain't blocking up front. Cool. I'm gonna run around a little bit.
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B
Okay.
- [74:02]
A
Y'all dropping passes.
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C
Cool.
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A
I'm gonna run. I'm gonna score with my leg.
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C
Throw it to myself, bro. He's that guy, Pat.
- [74:10]
A
So minute left, two minutes. Where it is he gonna find a way to win. We had a game, playoff game. And one of these. A really good tackle we had was, you know, sometimes Matt, you know, some lineman can get a little soft. I mean, 6, 5, 350 pounds, your toe hurts. You act like you know what I'm saying.
- [74:30]
B
Yep.
- [74:30]
A
The tackle was the whole week because the training room is like your hangout spot. You know, I talk about. I'm in there talking to everybody. You know, you hang out.
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B
Yeah.
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A
And Pat would come in every day to check on the tackle.
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C
Hey.
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A
Hey. How's he looking? Is he gonna play? How you. How you feeling? Ah, Pat, man, I'm not sure, man. I'm getting a little better. I'm 10 sitting there. You know what I mean? 10% better every day. We got the Friday. That's the last day of real work.
- [74:54]
B
Yep.
- [74:55]
A
The big ass Tigers acting soft. Pat walks in there. He's. How's he doing? How's he. Same situation. Pat. F him, I'm a win without him. No, F him, I'm a win with him or without him. Walked out. We won that game.
- [75:11]
C
That's cold.
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A
That's cold.
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C
That's cold.
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B
Hell, yeah.
- [75:15]
A
Yeah, Pat. Pat's a different, different brother.
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C
Well, listen, we talked about quarterbacks a lot, but I came to the realization when I'm looking at the slate and I know, you know, you're the perfect guy to talk to about this. It. It's can't be a surprise that, I don't know, three of the best, whatever you want to say. Six or seven running backs in the NFL are left. You got Derrick Henry, you got Saquon going. Jameer Gibbs, to me, has come around to lose Monster. And he just goes to the next level. Slouch. Yeah. And like this whole, you know, everybody's like, oh, the running back position, you could kind of plug anyone in there, which I think was always. It's not surprising to you Right there. And look, McCaffrey was out this year. He made the Super bowl two out of the last four years. So now, are we now back to reality where it's like, no, no. You need a really good running back to win in the play. Maybe you could win some games in the regular season with a trio, but you want to win in a playoff. Like, what's your take on the running backs that are remaining?
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A
No, you see it and you said it, right? We're coming back. You know, that's why I was so pissed off. And Saquon's my boy. But, you know, I'm like, yo, man, go get that record, because it's bigger than you or Eric.
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C
Yeah.
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A
It's like I wrote the narrative of, okay, you can pay the backs anything and you can still win. You don't need them, but you pay all these regular quarterbacks. You know what I'm saying? All this crazy money, regular quarterbacks to pay them elite money when they're not elite. You know what I'm saying? And I think now, if you look at all the winning teams, they running the ball like, Derrick Henry is a big reason for Lamar's success, too. And the Ravens, the Eagles. Oh, my God. Saquon's like, come on, man.
- [76:53]
C
Where would they be?
- [76:54]
A
You know what I mean? You look at even like, Josh Jacobs. I went to that game.
- [76:58]
B
God, he's a.
- [76:59]
A
If he's not even there, it's not even like, even like a close game. You get what I'm saying? You look at the Gibbs, as much as I like Jared Goff, he's doing really, really well. Right. But is he the same without that type of running game? You get what I'm saying? And now I think it's more of a. They don't care about the position no more. It's really like, we're trying to win. And I think the teams that are trying to win, they are paying the running backs.
- [77:19]
C
Yeah.
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A
And it's working out for them.
- [77:21]
B
Would you have taken a knee like Saquon the other day? Would you have housed that call?
- [77:25]
A
Come on, Maddie. You know me, baby.
- [77:26]
B
I know.
- [77:27]
A
I text Saquon, like, what we doing? We scored like, hello.
- [77:32]
B
Dude, that was a 90. God, man. If he would have broke Ed's record, man, that would have been. No, that might not. It might. It. It probably will never be broke, you know? I mean, the longevity, like you, it's like, that's. Now it's 17 games, but healthy. You got to average, what, 160, 70. I mean, that's just, it's wild.
- [77:52]
A
I was with you, you know what? So. So E, we had a little. We had a little smoke. We had no beef, you know what I mean?
- [77:57]
B
But yeah, he was talking smack my.
- [77:59]
A
Piece and I watched him say. What did he say? Oh, absolutely not. I don't want him to break my record. He was like, which I don't think he is, but if he did, it took him an extra game to do it. So I did my due diligence in my own work and I see that my boy OJ Rested situation, you know what I mean? I'm like, it's bigger than that, dog. Like the next generation, you know what I mean? It's a 40, 50 year old record. And I feel like now when the owners is like, oh, well, we only.
- [78:28]
C
Need the running back.
- [78:29]
A
But you look at a guy like Saquon who was in hell in New York, you come to Philadelphia with a good team, it lets you know, okay, we could break records. We go to the playoffs. We could be a one or two seed if we get a good running back. So it was bigger than Eric Dickerson, you know what I mean?
- [78:44]
B
It was opposite of Barry Sanders, you know, in college where Ashton Genty, who I'm sure you watched, and he was a dog. He's. Yeah, we were. We covered the Mountain west game. But. But Barry was like, had the opposite. Like, man, I welcome him. I would love to see him break it. All that. And he obviously, he fell short, but totally. I mean, dude, I, I think we've said on the show, man, it's like the year the running backs. The running backs are back, dude.
- [79:07]
A
Baby, we back.
- [79:07]
B
Oh, yeah. Like, you know, you were never left, but you're just back. You're just back now, so.
- [79:12]
A
But the respect's back. The respect.
- [79:14]
B
Exactly, exactly.
- [79:15]
A
I see what you're saying.
- [79:17]
C
All right, now we got to get to the. What, what, what, what TV show you want to be on, man. I really. You sold me on your acting ability just watching. Very charismatic guy. Is that. I mean, we can't pull you off the Fox show, though. That's a great. You got a great gig right now, so spare time, right?
- [79:34]
A
Throwing the money at me, so I'll be there for a little bit.
- [79:37]
C
We love you on there too, man. We can't lose you.
- [79:39]
B
Hey, how. How are. How you like it? How. How you liking the TV stuff? It's fun, huh?
- [79:46]
A
Well, it's hot right now, but, but, but before the hot.
- [79:49]
B
Yeah, I know, but in general, like just being on, like talking the game Like, I mean, I'm in college, but it's just, like. It's fun, man. It's good to see you on there. You're crushing it, dude.
- [79:57]
C
You're doing. You're so good, honestly.
- [79:59]
B
By the way, some of your takes are quite. Are questionable, but it's still fun.
- [80:03]
A
Okay. I, like. I need. That's the roots. I need that.
- [80:06]
B
We. We have, like, two. We have, like. Well, no, we have, like, two minutes left. I know Jerry has. Jerry, the take. We were talking about that. You're like. You actually agree with Shady on.
- [80:15]
C
We talking about boxer boxing?
- [80:17]
B
Yeah.
- [80:17]
C
Did you. Did you say Mike Tyson's overrated? Is this confirmed? Did you say that? Take or.
- [80:22]
A
No, Mike's one of the most over heavyweights.
- [80:25]
C
So here's where you. Because you had me with Darnold, I watch you when I can, a couple of times a week, and I'm like, all right. Shady really got. So the Mike Tyson thing, you stopped me because I'm. Look, I love Mike Tyson. TYSON, and I'm 45 years old, so he was the scare. But I'm talking to one of my boys, and I'm like, you know, Shady said, tyson's overrated. And he hit me with this question. He said, name five guys Mike Tyson beat. And I went, well, Corey Michael Spinks.
- [80:53]
A
He was bigger than him. Come on.
- [80:54]
C
Older Larry Ho. But I. I got to like, four. And I'm like, it kind of. Because Mike's problem, too, is, like, he went to prison when he should have fought Holyfield and raised and Razor Ruddock and Riddick.
- [81:06]
A
He only feel before he went to jail, too, right?
- [81:09]
C
So you sold me a little. I'm scared to even say it.
- [81:12]
A
No, no, no. So my pops, right? Let me tell you what my dad. My dad was a big dude. Like, he was big on, like, yo, you never talk about something unless you know about it. So he had me reading all type of newspapers and looking stuff up on Google, like, with my son right now. We were with Paul Pierce. Yeah. And I said, you know what it says? He's like, man, I don't know. I don't know what that is true first, right? And he's like, oh, okay. I'm like, okay. So I said, yo, you can do a report on him. I do reports on Allen, Iris, and Michael Jordan. So you know what you're talking about, right?
- [81:41]
C
That's so good.
- [81:41]
A
Okay, so look, before I give you my take on Mike, my dad, Magic and Larry Bird. Now, respectfully, I say, ain't no way a white boy Gonna be better than Magic Johnson. Like, ain't no way. He made me watch all the playoff series. At the end of the playoff series, this is still my opinion. I'm taking Larry Bird.
- [82:02]
C
Yeah, man, that's just me.
- [82:04]
B
Larry was a dog.
- [82:06]
A
Okay, so Mike Tyson, right? We all love Mike. Especially in the black community, we love Mike. I remember as a kid, the basement be full of a whole bunch of people. We just watching the fights. But then I really looked at, like, who you really beat, though. Could you say Michael Spence? Cause he was small. Mike was smaller than.
- [82:23]
C
Mike was terrified. Spinks was terrified. Walking into the ring, he saw on his face, he looked like he was gonna puke.
- [82:29]
A
Oh, Larry Holmes. He's from eastern Pennsylvania, so I know all about Larry Holmes. Right. Larry was older, okay. And then when Mike won his belt, he fought a dude named Trevor Berg.
- [82:40]
C
I think he was Trevor Berbick. Yep, yep. That was a tough guy. That was the guy.
- [82:44]
A
Two, three fights before he fought Mike Tyson. Do you know who his name, who he fought, who his name is? Muhammad Ali. That just shows you you beat an old ass Mohamed Ali. And then you fought Tyson for a belt. And we talking about you, the greatest. You can't name the other dudes he beat that was champions. Because when you fought hall of Fame dudes like Lennox Lewis, he stopped you. Okay, then he fought. Who else? Come on. Holyfield.
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C
What was the Holyfield two time.
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A
Because he couldn't do nothing with him. Holyfield wasn't scared.
- [83:14]
C
That's all I said is Mike was.
- [83:16]
A
Great, but when you start putting out the greatest heavyweights, he can't mess with the money.
- [83:21]
C
By the way, I'm stealing that. I have two sons, five and three. Book reports on the. On the.
- [83:26]
B
That's a good idea.
- [83:27]
C
Such a great, great call right there. You want to earn some V bucks or whatever things you want to buy. Give me. Turn in the report on. On. Laughter.
- [83:35]
A
I'm a. I'm a Pennsylvania dude the whole way. I love the Sixers, the Eagles, everybody. And I remember now I named a reporter, Allen Iverson. All right? We went to the game with a front row. Everybody's treating us good. You know how it is. You know, we in town, whatever. Tyrese Maxey, that's one of my favorite Sixers.
- [83:49]
C
Yeah, yeah.
- [83:50]
A
And he's like. He's like, dad, you like him? I said, yeah. I said, get his jersey. We buy his jersey, whatever. He signs it for him. He said, well, how good is that song? He's good. Like Allen Iverson. He said, oh, for Real. All right, cool. Cause I made him do a report.
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C
On Allen Iverson, so he had the reference.
- [84:03]
A
We watched the game after. Now, my son's. He's 12 now. This is probably like two years ago. He's like 10. We watched the game the first day we get in the car, the driver, you know, we're driving off, he says, dad, man, you lied to me. I said, what you talking about? You told me that Tyree Maxey was like Allen Iverson.
- [84:20]
C
He's not. He's kind of true. He's kind of right. Man, I love Maxi, but he's. You're. He's. The son's right. That was a different Allen Iverson's compare. Oh, you can't really compare Iverson.
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A
I was trying to, like, think of a guard could score small, you know.
- [84:33]
C
I mean, but no, but he's the best Philly guard since Iverson.
- [84:36]
A
That's absolutely.
- [84:38]
B
Yeah, sure.
- [84:38]
C
So I finally thank you too, for talking some hoops. I'm getting. I'm finally getting mad. Once the NFL season's over, we're gonna dive. I'm a big hoops.
- [84:46]
B
There's a die hard Knicks fan, man.
- [84:48]
A
Nicks.
- [84:49]
C
They.
- [84:49]
A
They slowly getting there, though, dog.
- [84:51]
C
Figuring it out. It's like two steps forward, then a few steps back. But I'm.
- [84:56]
B
I'm working. I'm working on a. You're. You're in LA full time now, right? Or at least doing this, doing the show?
- [85:01]
A
Yeah, for most.
- [85:01]
C
For the most part, yeah.
- [85:04]
B
Have you been to Intuit Dome yet?
- [85:06]
A
For the Clippers?
- [85:07]
C
The new Clippers. The. The new arena?
- [85:10]
A
Oh, I ain't. I didn't go there yet.
- [85:12]
B
So I'm. I'm working on. I got. I got a nice setup for Knicks. Knicks come to the Clippers in March. We'll go. It's like a courtside. It's fun.
- [85:21]
A
You know, the Clippers, James Harden, he got mad at me because I said some takes about him. So it's like I'm trying to.
- [85:26]
C
Don't you. Stop. Don't you.
- [85:28]
B
I'm a Lakers fan. But. But the. The experience, dude, it's. I was actually. I was with Gurley. Todd Gurley was right there. I was my boy. Yeah. Ask him about it. He goes to a couple games, so he. It was. It was incredible. So.
- [85:40]
A
Oh, that's good. Let's do it.
- [85:42]
B
Hey, we appreciate you coming on, man.
- [85:43]
C
Yeah, I can't wait to listen. Keep doing your thing. I'll be watching, man. I honestly, you're. You're someone. I'm like, must see for me on. On Fox. You're doing a job, so keep it up. And thank you for coming on and enjoy. Enjoy the games, man. It's gonna be a good weekend.
- [85:58]
A
I'm gonna find out what's up. Appreciate you all, man. Thanks so much.
- [86:01]
C
All right, now it's time for Dynamic Duos, presented by Wendy's. Two faves for just seven bucks. Gotta be Wendy's. Terms apply. This is where each week, Matt and I are going to target our favorite duos, whether in sports or entertainment. Obviously tis the season. For the NFL playoffs, we are going to do our favorite duos left in the postseason. Okay. And there's. You look at all the games. There's quite a few directions to go. Matt, do you want to go first?
- [86:28]
B
Yeah, I. I'm curious to see where you go with this. I have no idea what you're going to say. I think there's, There's. There's obvious ones and like Lamar and Derrick Henry. Right. Like there's, there's obvious. I'm going. Maybe you have the same. I'm going with Jared and not necessarily my favorite, but I think most on the line, Jared Goff and Ben Johnson.
- [86:50]
C
Oh, okay. You went non player.
- [86:52]
B
I like.
- [86:53]
C
Yeah.
- [86:53]
B
So. So just real quick, like, obviously the lines and the offense, right? This is the number one scoring offense in the NFL. Shaky defense a little bit just because the injuries and everything that's happened, although they're still playing pretty good since Ben Johnson became the oc. Golf has the most passing yards and the most touchdowns in the NFL. 96 touchdowns, almost 14,000 yards passing since Ben Johnson. Right. This is the last time these two are going to be together because Ben Johnson's getting a head coaching job this time. He turned it down last year. He's gone. He's going somewhere. There's no doubt. He's probably the number one candidate out there for most teams, in my opinion. Maybe McCarthy now, but I would say Ben Johnson. Look, I think the biggest thing is like, this team is the best team in the NFL. Windows close real fast in the NFL outside of the Chiefs and the Patriots, right? Windows close. Jared Goff, right, has a chance to elevate his status as maybe probably a Hall of Famer if he wins a Super Bowl. I mean, his numbers are great. He's won a lot of games. He's been to a Super Bowl. He can kind of get that monkey off his back. I, I just think. I just think there's a lot at stake for the Lions as the number one team. Going into the playoffs, you're going to lose both coordinator. Aaron Glenn's gone too. You're going to lose both coordinators. Your quarterback is playing well. Is this the year they finally do it with those, with those guys?
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C
I love that one. I love that you went non player. I wasn't even thinking in that direction. That's a great one.
- [88:24]
B
Who you got?
- [88:25]
C
I, I, I didn't want to do the popular choice, but how it, it just is Lamar and Derrick Henry.
- [88:31]
B
Oh, you did do it.
- [88:32]
C
It's been the most potent one, two punch. But the exercise, how I came up with this was fun because every team has their own version of a duo except the Bills and the Chiefs. Right. Who's the duo for Allen? We talk all the time. We argue. Oh, he doesn't really have anyone. And it's true.
- [88:51]
B
Well, you talk about, you talk about James Cook.
- [88:53]
C
Cook.
- [88:54]
B
But, but there's no one on that team that every week you're like, I think, I think you're, I think you could be afraid of James Cook at times. He's a good player. But like sure, but it's not Derek Henry or Saquon Barkley level.
- [89:05]
C
And then similarly with Mahomes, it's still to be seen. Right. And like we said earlier in the show, it could be anyone at any time.
- [89:12]
B
That's how dangerous Andy Reid and Mahomes or in the playoffs.
- [89:18]
C
Yeah, but it's Lamar. It's Lamar and Henry. I tried to talk myself into how fun Stroud and Nico Collins are and there's a lot of fun but I can't. Stafford and Puka tried to talk myself. I don't know how well hurts and Barkley hurts. Well, that maybe hurts.
- [89:33]
B
And AJ Hurts and AJ Brown, like they're gonna have to throw the ball. I mean, who knows?
- [89:38]
C
I try and then really I really, I love the way the ends played for the Texans. I almost went that direction because they single handedly broke the Chargers brains. But it's just, it's, it's Lamar and Derrick Henry. It's, it's cut and dry. If they're gonna do anything, that's the duo left that's going to carry them to a Super Bowl. So shout outs to Wendy's. That's our dynamic duo. And now we're moving on to throwback three, which this is a fun one for you for sure. For me it, I had to do a little digging. We're gonna do our throwback three, our all time greatest college football teams. And I'll just tell you off the Bat for me. No disrespect. And if I did not watch even a little bit, I can't put you in there. I know there's some great Oklahoma teams from God knows when, and I, I just can't do it. So no disrespect to the truly old, old, old.
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B
There, there's. Okay. There's a lot of debate about this, and this is a great one because I think you could argue. I'm with you. Like, you can go back to some of the best ones in the 70s and 80s and 60s. And again, I just. Like some of the USC teams in the 70s were some of the best of all time. I just, I didn't, I didn't watch them like you, you know, even in the 80s. So. And there, there's. There's also this, this narrative of everyone compares. Oh, well, they were. And I would put myself in that category. It's like great in college, average in the NFL. We are talking college. Okay. We aren't talking, oh, well, they did this and then they're hall of Famers in the NFL. It doesn't. To me, it doesn't matter. That. That's why it's always like, who's the greatest quarterback of all time in college. But a lot of those guys happen to be good in the NFL too. So it's like, it's just, it's just one. So that argument's. Okay. I'm just gonna start here. I'm gonna start with number three.
- [91:26]
C
Go ahead.
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B
2019, LSU. That was my boy. Coacho was the head coach. I got this. I got some notes here. Just real quick, dude, I'm just gonna rattle off this offense because they're. Honestly, their defense was kind of that year. It wasn't great. That's not like a complete team. But their off good. Burrow. Clyde Edwards, a lair. Jamar Chase, Justin Jefferson. Sick defense. They did have a couple dudes. Derek Stingley Jr. Was a dude. Patrick Queen and Grant Delpit. Overall, their defense wasn't great. I think they're like 30 or 40th or something. 50th something like that. Total defense. That was one of the more fun teams. I was covering college football then, not the sc, One of the more fun teams to watch. Like, it was just like they, they didn't need a defense. They could have probably beaten teams without a defense. That's how fun and how good they were. Ran the table in the sec, won a national championship. Burrow wins a Heisman. Coach O, who I love, gets the trophy. That team is One of the best of all. Do it.
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C
That's my number three as well. I was worried we're going to have some overlap. I don't care. You know, I tried to talk myself into. Oh, was the Trevor Lawrence, Clemson T. No, no, couldn't do. I tried to talk myself into some others as so clearly one of the three best college teams. Teams of all time, if you're of our generation. All right, number two. I wonder if we're going to overlap the whole way.
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B
So that's your number three. That's my number three. I mean, are we going Miami.
- [92:55]
C
I'm going 2001.
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B
So go get. I mean, look, 2000.
- [92:59]
C
What you got Hurricanes. I mean, you talk about beasts all over the field. Obviously. Ken Dorsey won the Maxwell award. Clinton Portis, 1200 yards on the ground. And then of course, we'd be remiss. Not to mention for me, my favorite defensive back of all time, Ed Reed. He's. He's like an adjective. I would describe things like if someone makes any kind of a play, it's like, oh, wow, you just playing you. Ed Reed. You just did it. Ed Reed. So that team.
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B
Listen, listen to this, okay. 38 future NFL draft picks. 17. 17 future first rounders, okay? Dorsey, Portis, first rounders. Andre Johnson, Jeremy shockey, Vilma, Brian, McKinney, Buchanan. These guys were on the bench.
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C
That's an NFL team.
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B
And this is the argument. They were on the bench. But by the way, on the bench, they didn't Play. So Willis McGahey and Frank Gore, Helen Winslow, the late Sean Taylor, who I came out of high school with. Vince Wofork, my boy, we just got into the Orange bowl hall of Fame together. And Antrell Roll, who I played with, who was a first rounder, I believe Arizona. Arizona, who's one of my dogs. I love that guy. That team, that's sick, man. Is the most stacked team, I would say, of all time. But, man, you know where I'm gonna go.
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C
You gotta go. And you know what I don't. Call me a homer all you want, call it favorite for my boy, but number one, I'm with you. I'm gonna clear the decks for you because we are aligned on number number one. Talk your Matt Liner.
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B
Talk your the only team to go wire to wire number one. 2004 only, I believe. I thought I saw that, that kind of stat pop up this year during the season. 2004, USC. Okay, look, I could talk about us for an hour. Dominant defense, pretty dominant offense, even though we were young and by the Way, we didn't even have Mike Williams that year. Remember big old Mike? He decided to say, f the NCAA and pull Maurice Claret. I'm gonna leave early. And then he didn't. And we were like, no, don't leave us, dude.
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C
That's right. You didn't have Mike Williams, dude.
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B
Mike Williams is the most dominant, arguably the most dominant player in that era. Physically dominant. And anyone would say the same. We beat Jason White, who'd won the Heisman, Adrian Peterson, who is a freak, by 40 points, 36 points in the national championship game. I would say, and I don't know, but you can quote me, maybe the most lopsided national championship game of all time. Probably. Maybe we could look that up really quick.
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C
It's got to be.
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B
But it had to be the most dominant, definitely modern of all time.
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C
Of modern, for sure.
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B
Shout out to some of my boys on defense. Some people are going to be like, who the fuck are these guys? Matt Grudy. Good. I don't care. He was up for the Buckus. Lofa to Tupu. Played in Seattle for a long time. Great player. Sean Cody, great player. Played for the Houston. Steve Smitty, your boy for the Giants. Dwayne Jarrett, Lindell and Reggie, obviously, those guys combined for over 2, 500 yards from scrimmage that year. I mean, I can go on and on anytime.
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C
What it must have been like, though, Anywhere, any place. Get into that huddle and just look at those other faces you just met.
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B
We had a great offensive line. Ryan Khalil, my center, who's going to be a hot.
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C
Would you say. You'd say anytime, any place. Put us up against net. What are you.
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B
Yeah, dude, because that's my squad. By the way, I have. I have this conversation ever when I ever see Marcus Spears. Because the year before, Marcus Spears was at lsu and we shared. We shared the title they want. They. They were in the national championship game. We got hosed by the BCS bullshit because Oklahoma lost to Kansas State and Darren Sprouls but still made it. We beat Michigan in the Rose Bowl. So we got a share of. We had like the AP poll or something. We got a share. But I still tell him to this day, bro, let's go in the backyard. And we just. We laugh about it. But listen, man, like, I think. I think based on our performance, number one, the whole year played. We played some good teams that year. Beat Notre Dame, Virginia Tech to kick off the season, and then just the most dominant performance in championship game history.
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C
All right, well, let's. Let's let's land the plane right here. Ohio State. This year's Ohio State going up against.
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B
My hamstring is cramping right now. Fuck. That's because I'm old.
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C
You're washed. No, this year, breathe through the cramp.
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B
While you think about, oh, Georgia, tcu. Yeah, that doesn't count, though.
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C
Ohio State, this year, as hot as they are right now against that USC team, What's the final score?
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B
Final score?
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C
Yeah. How much?
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B
That'll be a little closer to, like, our game against Texas, right? That was 41 38. I think that'd be a high scoring game.
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C
So it's a shootout.
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B
It's a shootout, but we win one possession.
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C
Win.
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B
Yeah. I get. Yeah, Ohio State's nice. All right, so we're getting. So. Hold on really quick. Gotta say this. The three biggest deficits, right? Top three biggest blowouts in Natty history. Georgia beat tcu. Yeah. Ah, that one's a little. That you could put an asterisk by that, though. Alabama over Ohio State by 28 and 20. 20 and what's. Yeah, by the third. Anyway, you have.
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C
So you have to lock. Who's locking down some of them Ohio State receivers?
- [98:19]
B
Dude, we got Pete Carroll running the defense, bro. We're good.
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C
All right, well, it is gonna be a fun week for sure. Everybody enjoy. Again and again, shout out to everyone in la, please stay safe and do what you can to help out over there. And another good show in the books. We're gonna come back next week and there's going to be. Everything's going to be different. Everything's going to be different.
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B
I know.
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C
Enjoy the weekend, everyone.
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B
Yes.