Super Bowl is Set, Eliminate the Tush Push, Most Tortured Fans & Austin Reaves Joins!

Summary

Podcast Summary: Throwbacks with Matt Leinart & Jerry Ferrara

Episode Title: Super Bowl is Set, Eliminate the Tush Push, Most Tortured Fans & Austin Reaves Joins!
Release Date: January 30, 2025

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1. Introduction and Personal Updates

The episode kicks off with Matt Leinart and Jerry Ferrara engaging in their signature humorous banter about unconventional golf equipment, setting a lighthearted tone for the show.

Notable Quote:

Matt Leinart [00:14]: "My best round ever. Of course, I shot a 67 in my basketball shoes. No bogeys. Five birdies. It was incredible."

2. Super Bowl Red Carpet Experience

Matt and Jerry share their excitement about attending the upcoming Super Bowl and participating in the Fanatics Super Bowl Party in New Orleans on February 8th. They discuss the unpredictable nature of red carpet events and their strategy—or lack thereof—for handling the influx of celebrity attendees.

Notable Quote:

Jerry Ferrara [01:47]: "That's the best type of, I think stuff, right? Just like winging it."

3. Navigating Social Events and Personal Dynamics

The hosts delve into their personal approaches to large social gatherings. Matt expresses his tendency to either be the life of the party after a few drinks or to retreat and observe. Jerry contrasts this by highlighting his preference for staying close to familiar faces and providing emotional support to his wife.

Notable Quote:

Matt Leinart [02:53]: "I either responsibly drink my way through it... or I'm wall flowering it."

4. Family Life Updates

A heartfelt segment where Matt discusses the upcoming addition to his family, revealing that he and his wife are expecting their fourth child. They share their anticipation and the emotional journey leading up to this milestone.

Notable Quote:

Matt Leinart [09:10]: "We're super excited. She's gonna crush it like she always does."

5. Sports Talk: Super Bowl Preview

The conversation shifts to an in-depth analysis of the Super Bowl matchup between the Kansas City Chiefs and the Philadelphia Eagles. Matt and Jerry debate the strengths of each team, highlighting key players like Patrick Mahomes and Jalen Hurts. They also discuss the Chiefs' play-calling prowess and Mahomes' potential impact on the game's outcome.

Notable Quote:

Matt Leinart [23:04]: "I think Andy Reid deserves to be in the conversation of the greatest of all time if he wins four Super Bowls."

6. Eliminating the "Tush Push"

A spirited debate ensues over the controversial "Tush Push" play used by the Chiefs. Matt criticizes the play for being repetitive and diminishing the sport's integrity, while Jerry offers a more nuanced perspective, suggesting potential rule tweaks rather than a complete ban.

Notable Quote:

Matt Leinart [32:26]: "I want everyone to hate it."

7. Most Tortured Fan Bases

Introducing their "Throwback Three," Matt and Jerry rank the top three most tortured fan bases across all sports. Their selections include the Detroit Lions, Cincinnati Bengals, and New York Knicks, each chosen for their long-standing struggles and passionate, yet often heartbroken, fan communities.

Notable Quote:

Matt Leinart [76:42]: "Number three is the Detroit Lions. They have never made it to a Super Bowl."

8. Guest Appearance: Austin Reaves

The episode features Austin Reaves from the Los Angeles Lakers, who discusses his dual passion for basketball and golf. Austin shares anecdotes about his transition to the NBA, his experiences playing in front of large crowds, and his collaboration with Matt on his signature golf shoe.

Notable Quote:

Austin Reaves [43:31]: "Playing for the team I grew up watching the most was special."

9. Fun Segments and Listener Engagement

Matt and Jerry engage listeners with interactive segments, including their "Dynamic Duos" sponsored by Wendy's. They invite fans to participate by nominating their favorite television parent pairs, further blending sports with pop culture references.

Notable Quote:

Jerry Ferrara [75:55]: "The greatest TV parents are Danny Tanner, Uncle Jesse, and Uncle Joey from 'Full House.'"

10. Conclusion and Sneak Peek

As the episode wraps up, Matt and Jerry tease upcoming topics, including Austin Reaves' future golf endeavors and Matt’s backyard renovation project. They encourage listeners to follow them on social media for live updates from the Super Bowl and to stay tuned for next week's episode.

Notable Quote:

Matt Leinart [90:20]: "We'll be at the Fanatics red carpet event in New Orleans and the next time I see you Matt will be a father of four and I will see you in New Orleans."

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Highlights and Insights

• Balancing Fame and Personal Life: Both hosts navigate their public personas while managing significant personal milestones, highlighting the challenges of maintaining privacy amidst fame.

• Sports Strategy and Ethics: Their debate on the "Tush Push" underscores ongoing discussions about maintaining sportsmanship and fair play in professional sports.

• Empathy for Fans: By identifying and discussing tortured fan bases, Matt and Jerry demonstrate a deep understanding of the emotional investment fans have in their teams, fostering a sense of community and shared experience.

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Conclusion

This episode of Throwbacks with Matt Leinart & Jerry Ferrara seamlessly blends personal anecdotes with passionate sports analysis, offering listeners a comprehensive and engaging exploration of the themes surrounding the upcoming Super Bowl. Through humor, honesty, and insightful commentary, Matt and Jerry provide a rich narrative that appeals to both sports enthusiasts and casual listeners alike.

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Transcript

[A]

Can I pitch you something? Because I do love the hillbilly bogey shoe. And we talked about golf. Could we put some spikes on that bad boy, take it out to the course?

[B]

You know the crazy part? They sent me some spikes to that you can put into them. So I wore them.

[A]

Tell me you went low.

[B]

My best round ever. Of course, I shot a 67 in my basketball shoes. No bogeys. Five birdies. It was incredible.

[A]

So is the hillbilly. No bogeys. All right, welcome to another episode of Throwbacks. Of course, I am not alone. I'm always joined by my amazing co host, Matt Leiner, who's got a big. Just a lot to. A lot to unpack with him, both in the sports world and in our personal lives. Lot going on as.

[C]

I just got a. I got a text from Josie who just. We're just talking. I thought it was like I was gonna be like, oh, dude, she's pissed. But she's not. But we can get into why she just texted me. She just told us about a photo shoot that we have to do in the next 12 days.

[A]

Okay, well, you have a lot of things to do.

[C]

I got a lot going on, buddy.

[A]

I want to point out before we dive into the things that are truly, truly important, one of the work things that's important is again, we're going to be at the Super Bowl. We're gonna be at the red carpet. We're doing a throwbacks episode from the fanatics super bowl party in New Orleans. Sick February 8th. I mean, we're starting to get asked like, it's gonna be there. We don't even know who's gonna be there. We just know it's gonna be. It's gonna be like a royal rumble, people just coming down the carpet.

[C]

We got asked who's gonna be there so many times this week. If we're like. Or like, what kind of prep do you do? We're like, we haven't really thought about that yet. We haven't. We don't. We don't know. We're just gonna.

[A]

Gonna wing it. We're gonna win. But that's just.

[C]

That's the best type of, I think stuff, right? Just like winging it. But yeah, I mean, it's gonna be. It's gonna be awesome. The who's who party of the weekend Super Bow last. You and I have been to a bunch of Super Bowls, and whether it's the parties, the people you meet, the things you get to do, but the. But for us to be together, to do Throwbacks on the red carpet shout out to Michael Rubin fanatics for. For letting us be there.

[A]

I think we get to go in the party too. We're in the party.

[C]

Are you. Are you getting after at this party? Is this one of those things? Because you, you know, like, what kind of party guy are you these days at 44?

[A]

Okay, 45. You're very great.

[C]

You're five. There you go.

[A]

Awesome that you think I'm 44. Uh, so historically, I am one of two people at a party sometimes. And. And I feel like the fanatics party. I'm not saying this in a bad way. I'm gonna be. But I'm gonna be uncomfortable because I'm gonna be the only. Not the only, but a lot of accomplished athletes. Like, I'm gonna have a little bit of a. What? Why am I here? Like, I'm gonna get kicked out. I don't belong.

[C]

Can I. Can I be.

[A]

Can I stop you?

[C]

I'm gonna stop you for one second. I get. We should do. We should. It would be hard to like, figure this out. Remember we did in Manhattan Beach? Who would get recognized more? I don't think we do that, but I guarantee you we'll set the over and under. We'll talk about this next week before. Okay, the over. Under of how many people come up to you and say something about Proctor or something about Turtle? I bet that number is super high.

[A]

Well, I sometimes get uncomfortable at big events like this, so I do one of two things. I either responsibly drink my way through it, right? Like, kind of helps get me out of my shell, for lack of a better word. Then I'm like the life of the party. The people will invite me to their birthdays after. Oh, we gotta go.

[C]

Like Jerry. Can I see that side of Jerry? Can we just.

[A]

Or the flip side is I have a couple of drinks and I'm just wall flowering it. I find the spot that's away from everyone. I post up, hopefully sitting. And I just. It all depends too on like the. The level of volume. I need to be able to talk and have a little witty repartee. And then I'm good at the party if I can't do that. And the music's just. I'm like.

[C]

I mean, it's. I. I've seen videos. Like, they have a dj, I think. Sure. Bieber came out and try. I mean, it's like a full day party, like, vibe and like, you're jamming in music and people. I'm gonna follow your lead because I'M very similar to you. I have a feeling most of the weekend we're going to be more the wallflower. Like, have a couple drinks, post up and just watch.

[A]

Are you. I can't imagine you as a wall. I feel like you're a social butterfly.

[C]

No, I'm more of that. It just, it just depends. But I think in this party, I think we should be like, I want to see Jerry rock. Like, I just want to see Jerry rock. I want to see you in your element. The reason why we've come together is because of our mid-2000s run. Like, let's be honest, that's like, like our two worlds collided. And I, I think those two worlds need to collide again. Super bowl week.

[A]

I will, I will say response. I feel like you were, you are, were. Are an amazing wingman. Not even for, like, let's go hit on chicks like that. Just like, at a party, you know, the best people. But you have enough social anxiety that you're not on the dance floor like Frank the Tank. I feel like you're a good wingman at a party.

[C]

Yeah, for sure. I'm very similar to you. I, I get, like, I'll get. I don't get social anxiety, but I'm much like, I'm not. As I've gotten older, I found myself not as much as a people person or I just really enjoy the people that I'm already with. And, like, I don't need to. I think that's a great dad thing. Right? Like, as a dad, it's like, I don't really need to expand my circle of friends. You know, like, your kids start playing.

[A]

Sports, the circle gets close. Close.

[C]

It gets closer, and it's harder to get. Bring more people in. You just vibe with people. You know, this party is going to be different, clearly. But yeah, I, I look, I think, I think we just kind of play it by ear, but I don't think we go in with any type of expectation. I think we just go in and, like, if we, if we want to go take a shot, let's rock and take a shot. Okay.

[A]

Be open to where the super bowl takes us and where the fanatics party takes us.

[C]

But anyway, yeah, super bowl fanatics red carpet, we'll be there. We can't wait.

[A]

Question that I'm definitely going to ask some of the people that we. That stopped by the throwback spot on the carpet. Okay. Are you okay? Is it approvable to whatever you refer to it. French exit, Irish goodbye. How do you feel? Do you get offended like, if you and I had a great time for.

[C]

Three hours, I call it the Houdini.

[A]

But then you turn around and like, where's Ferrara? I don't know. And then you don't see me till the next day. You mad at me. You texting me like, wow, you don't even know. Like, oh, he left.

[C]

Great. No, because I'll do that. My rule of thumb for me is, like, if we go out with a big group, like, say locally here, I will say all my friends don't listen to this. I will probably say goodbye to one or two people and be like, yo, I'm leaving in five minutes. I'm just letting you know. And I'm. Then. And then when I bounce, I bounce. I don't. I don't need to tell the whole group. So for you and I, I already, like, I already know you. I already know. That's already in your party bag for this.

[A]

We got that chemistry. We got that QB wide receiver. If you are.

[C]

If it's me and you and a couple dudes at super bowl and you're like, hey, letting you know I'm out in the next 15, and then I'll be like, go. I wouldn't. I could care. I could care less. But if you leave. If you leave at the super bowl party without telling me, I'd be like, what the. Okay.

[A]

Okay.

[C]

I would.

[A]

Noted.

[C]

I have no problem bouncing early, but.

[A]

I need to know there's going to be a lot going on. So, yeah, follow along with us. You know, follow us on. At throwback show on all social platforms, YouTube especially. Who knows? Maybe we'll, you know, do some live stuff just the week while we're there. But more importantly, only two. We want to hear from you guys as well. What's something that we must do? Must being the key word. Something we must do when we're in New Orleans. I've spent some time in New Orleans. I don't know if you have.

[C]

I'm gonna gamble my ass off, too.

[A]

Okay. That's a good must. I. I did a movie for a few weeks in New Orleans, and one thing I was told to do, which we did do, we in the daytime, went through a drive through and got a hurricane drink. And that put me out for the one. Put me out for the entire day. That's not doing that.

[C]

47 different liqueurs in there and you just get hammered off of one sip.

[A]

Yeah, we're not. We're not doing that. But yeah, send us your thoughts on what we must do while we're in this room.

[C]

Look, I think also, too. What are some of the stuff questions you want? Guys want us to ask some of these people? I mean, we're going to get a list. People from all different.

[A]

Should we do a practice run? Trevor Lawrence walks down the carpet in his cast, right? I saw him at the super bowl last year in Vegas.

[C]

What kind of shampoo do you use for that flow?

[A]

Do you think it's the hair that's slowing you down? Like, should you cut the hair going into next season? It's worked for some people.

[C]

Do we want to get a new look for next year? You just got a new head coach, right?

[A]

New look, new you.

[C]

Yeah, I think. I think everyone who's listening throw us question ideas. You know, in all of our social media chat, like, we check and we love it. Honestly, I. I would say this. Like, everything goes. We're gonna have just fun. Like, we don't. We're not gonna really have, like, this crazy.

[A]

Not gonna be professional.

[C]

Yeah, we're definitely not gonna be professionals.

[A]

Well, we got some other. We got some other big stuff going on, Matt. Okay. I don't want to put you on blast, but we've talked about it on the show before. We heard your lovely wife before, who's been on this podcast before. She's a lot more pregnant than she.

[C]

Was, and I'm just getting uppercutted from all angles over here. I'm just getting.

[A]

This is probably the last show before your baby that's. It's imminent. Right. So how are you guys feeling knowing that you're about to go from, you know, you have three. Cole's 18, though, so he's. Consider him.

[C]

I mean, this is four, you know.

[A]

Four.

[C]

Yeah, three.

[A]

But you're gonna have three under.

[C]

Under five.

[A]

Under five, essentially.

[C]

Yeah. I just turned. I'm. Let me just say all this. We're super excited. We were back and forth for a long time about having the third baby. Ultimately, this is what we decided. And, you know, I think for my wife especially, like, really felt like this would complete our family. And. And again, I'm all in on that. Obviously, she's been a rock star this whole pregnancy. She works. She's. She's just super mom. She's just everything. She's ready. Like, we're. We're. We're a couple days. We're a couple days away. Like, we. We will. We will have a baby by this time next week, that's for sure. So it's. We're excited. I actually woke up this morning. I was Like a couple more sleeps. It's happening. So I, you know, we've just been so busy that it's like you almost. And with the kids and all that, it's almost like you just like it creeps up on you. And we're like, holy, this is happening now. So fired up. We're super excited. She's gonna crush it like she always does. Her mother, my mother in law just came in town. She's the best. She's got a one way ticket. So she.

[A]

The troops have landed on the troops.

[C]

We got our name. I mean we are full like storming.

[A]

The beaches of Manhattan.

[C]

Oh dude, we have, we're just locked and loaded over here. We are locked and loaded.

[A]

So I got a few questions for you though.

[C]

Yeah, fire. Fire them away.

[A]

You a diaper guy? You a bath guy? What's your like dad thing like? Hey, I got. With the baby infant. I got this part for me. I was a good bath book, pajamas, let's go to bed guy. That was, I was good at that part.

[C]

I gotta be honest, I'm not a big newborn phase guy. I can't. I really, I, I really don't like it. I think, I think I speak for a lot of dads when it comes to that who won't say it, but I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, you know, jumping off a cliff here with that comment, but I just, there's not a lot to do for me. And we had, you know, we had issues with both our boys, like with, with milk and breastfeeding. And I'm like, you know, I don't know if I'm telling too much, but whatever. Like, so like it was, it was. And we had. Our. Both our boys had severe acid reflux and all that kind of stuff. It was. But they couldn't sleep on their back. So our two were miserable sleepers for a long time. So like it was just tough on us where then we've had. Obviously they were healthy like that. That was just a small issue. But. And we've had. Maybe you guys are the kid. Like we've, we have close friends who. Whose baby slept like 10 hours after.

[A]

How annoying. I'm like when you're up all night and you see another couple with a newborn, you're like, oh, how's that newborn sleeping? And you're only hoping to hear that they're as bad as you. And like, oh, this sleeps like nine, ten hours a night. It's like. Well, I'm like.

[C]

So her and I are like who asked you earlier? Her and I are like, oh, my gosh, what if this baby actually sleeps? We have, we have a best friend. We have a best friend, their baby. I'm probably off some months here, but like say a year old was sleeping until like 10:30am like in bed at 7. Just wouldn't even get out of bed. And we're like, what? And they're like, yeah, it's amazing. And they had two other kids is amazing. Like, we just haven't experienced that. So that's one thing. But like the newborn, the newborn phase, in my opinion, I'm just. I tell everybody, every new dad too. It's like you're just there for. For emotional support with your wife. You're there to go do a lot of things. I'm there probably more with my boys now. Even Cole and my other boys like sports and we got this and that. And I'll take them because really, the newborn is pretty easy for the most part during the. The nights are tough, but during the day it's eat, sleep. Yeah, sleep, eat, sleep. And you're just. And you're. You're on a clock, you know, but that's it. So I am, I am.

[A]

So you're not diaper bad?

[C]

Oh, I, I'm. I'm also diaper too. I'm not afraid of that. The problem is, is, you know, we're not finding out if we have a girl. I got no idea how to change a girl diaper front to back. I heard front to back, right? Is that what we do?

[A]

Listen, I'm a boy, dad. I have two boys. You have three boys. I don't. I. I don't know.

[C]

I don't know a lot of my. Like, my best friend has three girls. I'm like, dude, I know how to.

[A]

Block yourself from getting peed on from a boy. Like, I've gotten fast twitch to not get split.

[C]

You know how many times I just literally stuck my hand on there when they're peeing. Just like, yeah, just wear it. Like. Or like they got a little poop in the butt. I'm just like, I'll just use my finger, whatever. I'll wipe it. Like you just like, it's so. I don't know. With a girl, I feel like I'm just going to be like, oh my God. Like, it's so del. I'm so delicate, you know? Like, I don't know. We'll see what happens. But. So I'm good on the diaper. I'm good on all that stuff that none of that bothers me. I gotta tell you. I gotta tell you something.

[A]

Come on.

[C]

About last night. So the, the conversation in our household now, and a lot of guys are going to relate to this is, you know, the whole vasectomy thing.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[C]

So we're done. We're done having kids like this. Is it right, that there's, there's no debate there. We're done. Preach. I. I don't really want to get a vasectomy, dude. And this shit kept me up last night for a couple hours once. You're probably the same. Once my mind starts running on something, I'm just like, I can't. I can't stop.

[A]

The silence becomes deafening of your thoughts.

[C]

And then I'm thinking and I've talked to a lot of my boys about this, and a lot of my boys are like, dude, it's awkward. I had one time this doctor was in there with a couple women and, you know, like, I'm. I'm average. You know, I'm average. I'm just sitting there, everything's flying around. It's just super uncomfortable. I'm, like pissing myself laughing so much because I'm like. I'm like, oh, I don't want to go through that.

[A]

Oh, this sounds awful. All terrible.

[C]

That kept me up. I don't know. I need some advice. Do I just. Do I just risk it and not do it?

[A]

No. Do you want to have seven kids? Do you want to have seven children? What are you talking. I know there's other things you could.

[C]

Do, but that's what she told me this week. I said, well, I'm just not going to do it. We'll just be safe. And she goes, okay, well, you're going to risk having another one.

[A]

A hundred percent. She is 100% true. Because you could think everything, right? And there's terms for this, Matt, you know, slipped one past the goalie. There's terms for this, and it happens over and over and over again.

[C]

The bottom line is, is it kept me up this week and I'm gonna find a doctor. I'm gonna delay it as much as possible, but I'm gonna find a doctor and I'm going full anesthesia, knockout.

[A]

Wait, see if they'll do a twofer. Maybe I'll come, I'll fly out to la, we'll do a two for one discount.

[C]

You're gonna do that? Not tell Brie? Because that wouldn't go well.

[A]

Oh, no, no, no. I, I, no, not gonna do all that.

[C]

So that's, that's where I'm at. I don't know, guys. I mean, like, I know I'm in this. I know I'm not alone on this. No, I know I'm not alone on this. And every guy that. All my buddies that have gotten one, they said it sucks that they're like, it just sucks. It's not giving birth, clearly. And I'm not.

[A]

No, but it's.

[C]

Because that is ideal world. But it's just not ideal. And it's just something about, you know, me just going full, like, ankles and, like, straps, bootstraps, and just like, here you go, buddy. And I'm. And I'm. And I'm awake. That's the thing. I don't want to be awake while he's up in my nuts.

[A]

So I got. I got like one or two more. And I promise everyone we are going to talk about sports. We're going to talk about what happened this past weekend and going forward also, I kind of buried the lead we have. We had Charles Barkley on earlier, so you could say we've had the basketball player on. But we also have Austin Reeves joining us from your Los Angeles Lakers. I should have led with that, but I'm. We just got caught up on some personal stuff. So he's going to be joining us right after we wrap up here for a second. Okay. You don't know what you're having, so I'm sure you've talked names. I don't. I think that girl names are easier to come up with because for me, and I don't know now, and your two boys have really cool, unique names, but for me, you meet a lot of people in your life. So when we were talking about boy names, it's like, what about Justin? No, no, this kid in eighth grade, Justin. Real piece of shit. What about every guy? Every boy guy name? For sure, I was associating with someone or something, so I went with the two names I knew the least about. But then with girl names, I don't really have those strong opinions. Like, you could pitch me anything, and it just sounds better. And I think you could be more adventurous. With girl names, it's like.

[C]

Yeah, it's like. It's like baby clothes. Like, girl clothes are so much better. They're so much better than boy clothes. And I have no experience. But for us, we're all Cs, so we actually made it harder on ourself. Maybe easier in some way, but harder because we're all Cs. Cole, obviously, was the first one. And then when we decided with Cason and Cannon, we're like, let's just keep it all C's. So we have. But to your point, we have C names picked out. And I'll say this. So Brady Quinn and Alicia Quinn, great friends. They just had. They had a baby a couple weeks ago, and they named their baby boy Cade. Beautiful baby.

[A]

Yeah. Go look at playing quarterback somewhere little.

[C]

Like, everyone's doing well over there. Shout out to Brady and Alicia, their clan of 19 kids. But Cade, I'll say this because we're not gonna name our son Cade. Was one of our final.

[A]

There.

[C]

Oh, it was, like, there. And then they made their announcement, and it was like, you and Brandon. Josie was like, we can't name Kate because Alicia and Brad are named. Okay.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

I told. I told Brady that during the season, I'm like, damn you, dude. We love that name. So we have another. We had an alternative that we've always liked, and then the girl. But you're right. The girl names are just more. They're more. They're more adventurous. They're more fun, and we'll see. We have a couple. We have a couple lined up for that as well, but.

[A]

And I guess I grew up with a lot of asshole dudes. I'm like, what about Joseph? No, no. Can't do. Can't do that. There is no. No this kid.

[C]

Well, when.

[A]

When you got.

[C]

When you guys. When you guys have your third. Oh, you know, at some point, because that'll be a whole pod.

[A]

I feel like that's a perfect segue to talk sports.

[C]

Have you already thought about Nate? I mean, I don't feel like we're.

[A]

All Jays, but we didn't do it intentionally. Jacob, James, me, Jerry. It wasn't.

[C]

Oh, you got to keep it, Jay. You got to keep it J.

[A]

But I feel like Bree's now at a point where she doesn't know what to say when she's calling for someone. Jake. She's just all over the place.

[C]

Yeah, we. I like. I kind of like having. I like having all the same letter. It's kind of cool. Like, keeps them like a little tribe, you know?

[A]

All right, well, more to come on that I look forward to.

[B]

And.

[A]

And let's just say the Ferraris have their own personal feelings on what's coming.

[C]

Well, listen, next week, we're going to talk about, obviously, next week's Super Bowl. We have a lot to talk about, but I do want to talk about the renovation project that my wife is spearheading at some point, and we don't have to do it. You don't have to do it because it's. Yeah, that's gonna.

[A]

All right, more on that. More on that next week. And it is.

[C]

Like I said, like I said, I'm getting hit with just, just jabs. Just jabs. Boom.

[A]

Well, all over the place. Weekend, obviously, you know, football's off. We're going to talk about what happened last week and then really there's nothing to do but talk about these two teams for two weeks, which I feel like is a little long. But everyone is talking about the Chiefs being like the number one villain in sports. And if you want to be that, if you want to be the champs, you got to beat the champs. And I, I, I hear all that and I get it, but I, I don't also want to lose the fact that they are going for a three peat, which Mahomes is going to get incredible lion's share of the credit for. But, and maybe that's fair. But Andy Reid, Chris Jones.

[C]

They have the two. I mean, Belichick was great, obviously, and even like McDaniels was the Patriots, like, this is just very similar. Right? This is the dynasty. We saw Tom Brady and the Patriots do that for over a decade. They have the two best big game, big moment play callers maybe of all time. Think about that. Andy Reid is incredible. And Spagnola, as we've known the last couple years, it's the play calling in the moments a lot. There's a lot of great play callers out there. There's a lot of on both sides that can get to a certain point. But then when it's crunch time and everybody's going to talk about the blitz and everybody's talked about that blitz on fourth down, always through the orbit. Yeah, we don't need to talk about the blitz, but how many times over the years or Andy Reid and we like on 4th and short, they don't ever tush push. They get creative in their play calling and they, and they're, it's always, they always, they always execute. Yeah. And so that is play calling elite play calling in the biggest moments of the biggest games. That is what Mahomes is as well. And that's why you can't really bet against them in this game. And that's why they're all going to go down. Like I tweeted this out. I think Andy Reid deserves to be in the conversation of the greatest of all time if he wins a four Super Bowl. I mean, you can compare Belichick, super bowl, that, but but for what he's done, it's remarkable.

[A]

So, yeah, that's what I don't want to lose. Like I said, Mahomes will get the Lion's share of it because of the position he plays. And also, he's unbelievable. He deserves a lot of the credit.

[C]

But, you know, do you dislike the Chiefs because of the villain? Because then people are tired. People get tired. And I. I appreciate.

[A]

Great.

[C]

I appreciate it.

[A]

Yeah, I appreciate it. But also I. I think that's a cool story that like, to put up a team. Like, it's the ultimate. If the Eagles win, shout out Andrew Gundling. If the Eagles win, shout out Kevin Hart. Then you really. They took down Brady and then they took down Mahomes in a Super Bowl. I think that adds to the Eagles franchise and their fandom, and I think it'll mean even that much more. Every super bowl means a lot, but if they could do that, I think it's the ultimate test. You. Not that you want to see the Chiefs lose, but I loved rooting against the warriors for LeBron, even though I'm not a. I'm not a Warriors or Cavs fan. I'm sure lots of people love rooting against the Yankees, and now your Dodgers have assumed that position. Right. So I think it's good when the sport has a dominant team that everyone's just trying to get. It's like the. A tale older than time, Right? Like Dan versus Goliath.

[C]

I also don't think. I look at Villains and you look at some of those teams, and I feel like a lot of teams, there was someone maybe you didn't like. Maybe there was a villain that played up the personality. But the warriors, like Dynasty, it's hard to dislike Steph Curry. Steph Curry, right.

[A]

But Draymond, they had Draymond, but no one likes Draymond. People.

[C]

Yeah. And you love them on your team, but you hated him. And then as people don't like him is whatever. I like him. I enjoy it as an athlete. But when I look at the Chiefs and I. You can't dislike Mahomes in my opinion. Moms is a great. And people can talk about him getting calls. That's not him. Like, Brady got a lot of calls too, but. But he's like, he's a likable guy. He's a great dude. And if anyone that knows him in his circle, you say, like, oh, he's just a normal superstar that just happens to be the best in the world at what he does. Kelsey, who I know a little bit and people can dislike him for other reasons and this and that. Kelsey is like the coolest dude in the planet. He's like. He's the coolest dude in the planet. Chris, Joe, all of those guys, they don't have unlikable play. Andy Reid is the greatest. He's awesome. So for me, that's why I appreciate it and I like those guys. It's. It's. You can get tired and you. Like, I was rooting for Josh Allen and all these things, but at the end of the day, we need to appreciate what we're seeing because it just doesn't happen very often.

[A]

Well, you teed up perfectly too, with the, with the Bills. It's kind of a sneak preview maybe, but for our Throwback 3 this week, we're gonna do most tortured fan base, franchise specific. Not just.

[C]

We haven't even talked about it. They have to be number one.

[A]

Very possibly. We'll. We'll get into the top three. Throwback three. I saw you tweeted too, though. You. You thought that was a first down, right? I. I certainly thought that was the first down. I. I don't know. I. Why we're still at this place. I'm not saying put a chip in the ball. I'm not a chipper. I'm not a true. Like a chipper, like a truther, but it certainly looked like a first down in the moment. I just don't know why we're still doing this. Left foot, right foot, bring out the. I get it. Like, maybe there's not a better way, but.

[C]

Well, it's evolved. You had. You had chains, which they still have, and then you have the yellow line that's on the visual on the tv and then you have replay and then you have. You know, it's evolved over time, but to still rely on the spot of two guys who had clearly two different big spots by like a half a yard. It just, it just. It. I think what bothers people, it's just that moment that is the biggest moment. And again, that was what, 11 minutes left in the fourth quarter. A lot happened after that and it was huge.

[A]

That was a momentum.

[C]

I hate. I. I tweeted what I tweeted because I still think it was a first down, but I hate when people look at one player, two plays and that's the guy. The whole. It's the. It's. It doesn't work that way. They tush pushed a million times. They didn't get it on the goal. They didn't get it. They had other and that's where the difference between the play calling is. The Chiefs execute those plays when other teams don't. And that is always the difference between these playoff games. That's the difference between playoff football. The great team will find the way. Maybe a little help on the. I, I understand. I get the argument and it's. And, and there's. They're starting to have some stats and facts, you know, obviously backing those. But that didn't decide the game. It didn't.

[A]

Mahomes made so many plays with his legs. Josh Allen, he's a freak. And Josh Allen did not. Who you. That's usually the guy you would think Bill's missed two two point conversions. That doesn't help. There was a lot of sloppy things that led to that being the way it is. I'm just like if we could have technology where we could see where Roger Federer's serve hit to like right center meter going 140 miles an hour. I just feel like the biggest sport in our country by far could figure something out.

[C]

But that, that, that call was never going to be overturned because it was called short on the.

[A]

And you have to leave.

[C]

There's too many bodies and there's too many bodies. And that's the point. It wasn't, it wasn't blatant. But you felt like his. It could have easily been reversed or it could have easily been. If it would have been called the first down on the field, they would have reviewed it and kept it a first down as well.

[A]

Yeah, I don't know as a, as a athlete, a professional athlete. Do you. I used to feel like this with like high school sports and CYO sports. Do you just feel like there's some teams after it happens so many times is could you have a feeling as a professional athlete in a locker room, just not even superstition, just knowing like this team, they got our fucking number. Like we don't know does that happen even at that level? I've felt it on the high school level and below.

[C]

I was going to say I felt it in like little league baseball coaching.

[A]

Right?

[C]

Like, like you're just like, like an.

[A]

Error at that moment.

[C]

Maybe their best player, maybe that best player doesn't show up or how do we get this kid out? And you just, you just hope and you pray. But at the end of the day it's always, you're always, you always fall short. It happened to us in a flag football game. It happened to us in high school basketball. You can.

[A]

That's where the very.

[C]

It's very similar in the NFL where when you, you don't ever go into that game thinking that's going to happen. I guarantee that you go in to think, hey, we can beat these guys, we're going to beat these guys. But there is something always during a game where you're just sitting there saying, it's going to happen again. And I feel it. It's just going to happen again. And Mahomes, this is the problem and this is going to be the problem with the Super Bowl. You just. If, if the Eagles are up three with two minutes left or even the Chiefs are up three with two minutes left, Mahomes is going to do something that's going to win the game or ice the game. You do not want to be in that situation. And that is just easier said than done because they are so great. That's the point.

[A]

You got to do a horror movie stuff.

[C]

At some point you think, maybe he's gonna throw a pick, maybe you get a sack, maybe there's something that happens, but we just haven't seen it yet.

[A]

You gotta stab him in the heart, shoot him with a silver bullet, chop off his head, explode, blow his body out. You have to do all those horror movie things to defeat Jason. I do those.

[C]

I do want to say that the Bills and Baltimore for that matter, and even I even put Cincinnati right. Those are the three. Those have, those have elite quarterbacks that you feel like if Burrow was in the playoff, you know, you feel like, hey, they may might make a run. It'll be interesting. The Chiefs, because everybody's talking about can they chase Brady and can Mahomes and all this. You have to keep the team together. You have, you have to keep the core pieces. You have to keep the coaching together. I don't think the Bills window and no, no one's saying I don't think the Bill's window is over because you have an elite player barely in his prime. Josh Allen's what, 26 years old? I mean, and Mahomes is 29, 30. He still has a lot of years left. But that the coaching staff. Kelsey might be done after this. You're going to. Chiefs are going to lose some guys and it's going to be can they fill that roster? I think I heard Julian Edelman talking about this week because he was a part of that. It's like it's just going to come down to can you replace those guys with other free agents that can do similar? That is not a given. So enjoy the dynasty while we have it. It won't last forever. And at some point, the Bills or even the Ravens are, are going to break through. It's gonna, it's gonna happen. Just batter.

[A]

Or when I got a little mad at you on Twitter because. Oh, man, did you? Well, you know, I, I throw my feelings out on Twitter and then all of you who love to respond to me when I try to make a point of something that annoys me and respond with like, cry more, cope harder. I listen, you're all wrong. I, I think the Tush push. And I'm sorry, I'm not calling it the brotherly shove. That's a cute name for a play that tells me that Eagle fans are embarrassed of the play.

[C]

Tush Push sounds worse.

[A]

But that, that's what I mean. Eagles fans were like, no, no, it's the brotherly shove. It's like you're only doing that because you know, Tush push is a terrible name for that terrible play. And you're trying to make it sound cooler with Tush Push. Listen, I'm all for something works do it over and over. If I find a play in Madden, I'm gonna do it over and over and over. Right? I get it. I, I, I get it. But for football as a whole, to me as a fan, all right, there's, there's a lot of other people who feel this way. I think we had to watch. What? Not between the Bills and the Eagles game. What, eight or nine Brotherly shove to Tush pushes. It's just bad to watch. I find myself checking my phone on like 4th and inches. I'm like, all right, they're gonna just. I, I, to me, it's a boring play. That has too much of an advantage when you have a 200 and something pound player pushing Jayla. All right, sure. Jalen hurts happens to be someone who runs it better than anyone else. The guy squats a billion pounds. I get it. I don't know how that it's good for football. I'm not even saying it's like a cheat code or why don't you stop or why don't you do it? I think it's a horrible play to watch. I'm shocked no one's gotten hurt yet and you have freaking Saquon Barkley. I feel like we've complained about the Eagles offense up until this point. At times I feel like give the ball to Saquon. Saquon Barkley's gotten tackled on the one 12 times this year. He did not get the ball the next time.

[C]

I think Jalen Hurts was 4 of 6 on that play this past weekend and, and Josh Allen was two of.

[A]

Six and it decided a game in some ways.

[C]

I don't, I don't mind it as far as it's all your fault.

[A]

I'm mad at you because you and Reggie did this.

[C]

We invented it.

[A]

We invented it. Now we're dealing with it later.

[C]

By the way, Reggie and I take full credit of inventing the bush push, tush push, brotherly shove, whatever you want to call it. We started it.

[A]

Yes. It was illegal back then. Right. Technically.

[C]

You know, there's, there's blurred lines, like in everything, but sure, sure. And then he did that. I remember Reggie did that with Matt Stafford in Detroit and, and that was, that was the first we, I imagine we were the first, like, big play and a big moment where people remember. Right. People remember the bush push. He did it in Detroit with Stafford to win the game at some point, like five or six years later, I don't know the year. And I remember he and I were texting about it.

[A]

Did you see that?

[C]

I put it was. It was awesome. And then since then, because it's not illegal, Philadelphia is just, They've mastered it. That was. I understand. Maybe they just eliminate the push and you go back to. If you want a QB sting.

[A]

Yeah, there's been a lot.

[C]

I think Herbert's been hurt on a QB sneak. Mahomes has been hurt shop. I played with Matt Schaub in Houston. It was just a normal QB sneak sneak he had. He got a Liz Frank on his ankle from Albert Haynesworth, I believe it was. I think we were in Tampa, so I think probably biggest fell on his ankle. Lineman of all time fractured his ankle. So that's, that's why you don't see the Chiefs do it. And that's why the coaching. I, I here was. My problem is when you watch that game and you watch Eagles, Eagles have a plan. Eagles are dominant. They get it. I bet 95 of the time, maybe higher. Maybe it's 100 success rate. Oh, I guess it wasn't 4 or 6.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Whether you have Saquon Barkley or not, they have, they have dominant interior linemen and they have a quarterback they just, they have just executed perfectly. The Bills, they just kind of said, hey, Josh, go get us a. There's not really like when he jumped over and did that.

[A]

Right. That place scares me.

[C]

It scared me. And he's so elite and. But that was the difference between the Bills and the Chiefs in that game was the coaching in those moments where it felt a little lazy from the Bills, it's like, yeah, just Josh, go, go rely on Superman.

[A]

Also you got James Cook who's anything he wanted. For most of the game, James Cook.

[C]

Was running all over, all over some type of creative play where if you have Josh Allen in the open field at 65250 who could run bull you over with an option to run pass or a James Cook out there. I just feel like that's a better play for them than every time lining up and trying to get a 1 yard when the Chiefs knew exactly. And they knew, hey, we know he likes to go to his left or whatever and they, they, they, they shoved it. I don't have a problem. I don't know if you ban it. I think you tweak. Maybe you just don't get pushed from behind anymore. And if.

[A]

Yeah, I don't think ban Q. I'm not saying ban QB sneak.

[C]

It is.

[A]

I'm really not. I'm. I'm saying ban the 200 pound Super Athletic player just right up behind them, just pushing him. Everybody, it's a boring.

[C]

Everybody, everybody can do it. They just can't. That's the thing. It's not.

[A]

Well, it's not all advantage.

[C]

They're just better at it than everybody else.

[A]

To everyone online who is telling me to cry harder or copart guys, I won money, a good amount of money. A mortgage payment on the Eagles. Okay? So I'm not hating on the Eagles. This isn't I. And also I've realized something. The Giants are so bad. How can I hate on the Eagles or the Commanders of the cow? Like we're nowhere near the Eagles and Commanders right now. So what is hating on those teams do for me? Absolutely nothing. So I'll bet on him. I don't know. That was just. I just think you could get rid of it. I think it could still be very effective.

[C]

But I think you can get rid of it. I think you can tweak the rule. I think I, I think they will because there's so much backlash and especially if we see we're gonna see it eight times in the Super Bowl.

[A]

Something is gonna ha. Mark my words, something with the tush push. I'm not calling brotherly shove you animals.

[C]

Something is sounds worse when you you a grown man calling it a tush push.

[A]

I good. I want, I want them to feel uncomfortable. I want everyone to hate it. We're going to take a quick break and come back with Austin Reeves right before we do. But I said it last week. NFL needs a lottery. Would there be a look at this weekend. What a perfect weekend. Imagine if you roll out. We're going to give out the awards. Here's the mvp. Here's rookie of the year.

[C]

Is the Pro bowl this weekend?

[A]

Who got exactly? I don't know.

[C]

Do you? I think the Pro bowl games are this weekend.

[A]

Could care less. Yeah. Let's roll out. We're going to do the NFL lottery and we're going to give out some awards. Everyone would watch that weekend to be something so good to talk about instead of these two teams for the next 12 days. So there we go.

[C]

Dell. Buddy. Yeah.

[A]

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[A]

All right. I'm pretty excited because obviously I'm, I'm a huge basketball nerd. We have our first. Not only like just any basketball player, but an LA Laker, which is probably making Matt very happy. Austin Reeves, thank you for joining us.

[C]

Yes. Thanks for coming on, man.

[A]

Come on now. You could tell me you're a big Laker for. Go ahead.

[C]

Well, no, no, I would say we did. We did. We had Charles. We had Charles Barkley on very early in the show, which Barkley don't count.

[A]

He's not active.

[C]

Barley. But Barley doesn't count because I got my, I got my Lakers on now. I'm. But I'm born and raised. I know you're a big Kobe fan. I grew up in Orange county, but I've been a die hard Laker fan since the Showtime lakers. I actually JJ's a buddy of mine. Me and JJ go way back. We came out the same year at college, so when he, he came out of Duke the same year I came out of us, he had some great JJ stories. But I will not, I will not say it on the pod, but you ask him. You ask him. You ask him tomorrow when you see him. I heard you, I heard you had a couple nights out with Leinert back in the day. I'm telling you, it'll be hilarious.

[B]

How old would he give some.

[C]

Oh, dude, he, he'll, he'll, he'll, he'll turn red. He'll be like, dude, no, we're not talking about that. So. But thanks for coming on, man. How's it going?

[B]

No doubt. Appreciate y'all for having me. Everything's good. Like I said, I got a, got a little round in after practice today, so life, Life can't be any better.

[A]

I'm gonna ask a pretty random question off the gate because I'm a pretty big golf fan myself. Right. Do you get in season to play on the road? And if you do, how are you transporting the sticks? Does that fall into the equipment manager's purview? Like, where are your clubs? Because the clubs are like the. That's the most important thing while traveling.

[B]

Yeah, for sure. I just take them to the, the plane. They put them under the plane and they, they take them to. So when we get to the hotel, they give us like a ballroom for the food, sleep and stuff. They just take them in there and if I want to go, I go get them and, and put them back and they'll put them back under the plane. So it's. They. Our equipment people make it very, very easy for me to play a little bit.

[A]

You're the only one. You're the only one.

[C]

I was gonna say, who do you golf with on the road, on the team?

[B]

Well, jj, he's a stick. Yeah, he's not the Bug right now, but before DLO got traded, he was the one I played with most. We played, I mean, probably over a hundred rounds together in the last, you know, year or so.

[A]

LA's got some amazing golf. You know, when I was, I wasn't doing like tons of research because I know a lot about your career, but when I was like looking you up and stuff like that, I'm like, Newark, for a minute there I'm like, wait a minute, he's from Jersey. I'm like, oh no, that's Newark, Arkansas. So you know, you go from there to la. I'm sure the golf course has probably helped transition you as golf everywhere, but what is that like going from where you grew up and the next thing you know you're playing for your favorite team in la. That just must have been surreal.

[B]

Yeah, it was crazy. The night of the draft when we got the call and they were like, we'll take you on a two way, you know, it was almost a no brainer for me, you know, because you said I was a huge Kobe fan, so therefore I was a Laker fan. And you know, just having the opportunity to, you know, play for the team I grew up watching the most, you know, was special. And like you said, obviously the golf year round definitely helped the transition. Yeah, there's a lot of things that I love about la. There's a couple things I don't. One being traffic. Traffic is horrible. But like I said, when I'm able to go off year round, you know, you can't beat that. But my transition's been very easy. I don't do much. I play a lot of golf, play video games. I don't really go out much. So there isn't much difference made. About three places, my house, the gym or golf course and that's it.

[C]

What, when you, I mean when you got to la, obviously it's a big difference from where you grew up. Was there outside of traffic because I think everybody kind of understands that when you get there, like, man, this traffic is no joke. It takes you live, you know, 15 minutes, 20 minutes from the, the arena. It takes you an hour. Was there anything that shocked you when you move, when you made the move out to LA or surprised you about the city?

[B]

Honestly, a what surprised me the most is how much I enjoyed it and how much I, like, really liked it. I'd never been to LA before, you know, literally the day after the draft when I came out here, I didn't know what to think when I was on the plane right here. I mean, if you'd asked me 10 days before that, like, if I wanted to be in la, I probably would.

[C]

Have been like, I don't know.

[B]

Like, I've heard a lot of, you know, not so good things about la, but ever since I've been here, you know, especially with the basketball side of it, you know, the fans have welcomed me with open arms and treated me, you know, really good since day one. So, like I said, my transition was really good. And, you know, it kind of surprised me how much I enjoyed it.

[A]

Did you have your. Your welcome to the NBA moment? Matt has a great, like, welcome to the NFL moment. I'm not an athlete. There's. For acting, there's no real, like, welcome to, you know, maybe there's a welcome to Hollywood. You go to the wrong party, but there's no welcome to acting. Did you have, like, holy, I'm. I'm in the NBA right now. Like, this is happening.

[B]

But I think the. I was actually telling the story a couple days ago. There's only been one time in my. The whole life of playing basketball where I was like, I don't know if I belong. Like, I don't know if I stripped.

[A]

The imposter syndrome for a second. Yeah.

[B]

And the crazy thing was, is I wasn't even on the court. I was on the sideline. So it was my rookie year in training camp, and LeBron came down and like, snaked the ball screen or something and shot, like, a hook shot over DeAndre Jordan from, like, the elbow. And they bank in. And I was just sitting there like, I don't know if I belong to. Like, I belong right now.

[A]

That's not in your bag. You don't got that.

[C]

Dude, you got. But you got a filthy bag, dude.

[B]

You got a bag that, though. That's was. That was the one time I was like. But then I quickly realized that that was LeBron. And not many people can do what he did. So that was. But that was the one time I was like, what the. Like, I couldn't believe it because he shot it over a 7:2 guy. The touch was insane. He was going full speed. By the time the ball went in the goal, he was like in the deep corner. So I was like, wow, I don't know if I belong here.

[C]

There's. I. I was telling Jerry, my rookie year, I played Monday Night Football against the Bears, and it was. You're obviously a lot younger, but it was 2006, and I was looking across, it was. Brian Erlacher was a middle linebacker, and that was the year they ended up going to the Super Bowl. And I just. It was like, I'm walking up and, like, you know, I mean, you're. When you play as an athlete, you're in a zone. You don't really think about much other than, like, for me to play all this, but I'm like, I looked and I kind of made eye contact with them, and I'm like, oh. And Brian Erlacher's, like, almost six, five. Like, he's a big. And by the way, he's an absolute stick on the golf course as well. And I was like, holy. Like, this Monday Night Football. And I made it. And then the following year is my second year, we went up to Baltimore and played Ray Lewis and Ed Reed. When they were rolling in that scary. That was. That was the first time I was on the field where I was actually like. Like, I hope I don't get hit by somebody in this game like that. Like, it was never really thought about that. Was it you said. I mean, is there. Is there someone. I'm a basketball nerd, too. I love basketball. And is there someone. You're only on the court. I, I. Kyrie had a play, like, not too long ago where he kind of, like, crossed over. Like, the ball went off his forehead. I think he had a little lefty floater, and I think they panned to Anthony Edwards, and he was just like, holy. Is there like, someone on the court where you're always just like, I can't believe that dude can do that with the basketball.

[B]

Yeah, I mean, I think there's a couple. I think the way. I think the way Steph shoots the ball is, you know, obviously, he's the greatest shooter ever, but Christmas Day, he made a shot in the right corner. I think we were up probably, like, five at the time or something. And he made a shot in the right corner over LeBron where it didn't even look like he. He didn't really have the ball in the right shot pocket, having his hands right. And so I was on the opposite block, boxing out when he shot it. And I'm looking at it, like, kind of through the goal. And the whole time it didn't look like. It didn't look good coming off his hand. It didn't look like it was going to go in when it, like, when it got closer to the rim and gets to the rim and, like, hits the front of the rim and kind of just rolls in. And we all, like, in that moment, I think there was a time out afterwards, we all were like, what? Like, that's not real. Like, real people don't do that. Like, he's a. He's a different breed. So Kyrie's another one. I mean, and then, like, KD is, you know, his length.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

The way he can dribble, pass, shoot. Like, there's. There's a handful, probably five to 10 guys in the league that are, you know, on that different level.

[C]

Just different.

[A]

Right?

[C]

Just a different level. Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. I feel like Durant's one of those players. I always think, like, it's so fun when players come from college and they go into the draft and all they. They grow from, accept, oh, he's actually 6, 9. And Durant, @ least in the media, was always one of those dudes, like, he's 6 9, he's 6 10. I'm like, how tall is this dude? Like, really? By the end of the seven. I went to Cav Sons couple of days ago, and I'm like, I feel like if you cut Jared Allen's hair a little bit, he's like, Jared Allen size. I guess he is. You don't realize it. How many times have people mentioned to you, you know, you got memed. You have that famous. You and LeBron.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

I don't know how often that's come up in your career with your boys or whatever. I have a few theories of what you guys are talking about. You don't have to say, but your reaction was, like, one of two things. It's either like, I have no idea what you just said, or you're like, I can't do that.

[B]

So I actually make that face quite a bit.

[A]

Right. But he did so much, and you did so little.

[B]

So me and my brother actually do that a lot.

[A]

That's amazing.

[B]

It just happened that the camera caught me in that moment as he was doing that. So I'll give you all the little story. So we're in Brooklyn playing Nets, and I think we're up probably, like, 15, 16, and it's like, two minutes left. So this is my rookie year. Frank calls a timeout, or so they call the timeout. We're running an ato, and he's drawing up a play on the board. We're winning by, like, 17. Two minutes left. Like, game's over. So me being the good rookie I was at the time, like, I was locked into the play.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I don't know if everybody else was. So I was, like a big. I asked a lot of questions, especially, like, my rookie year, because I didn't want to be the guy that messed up. So I was always like, you know, I'm doing this or I'm doing this. Right? So I asked Frank going out, I was like, I'm doing this. And he was like, yeah. So I don't know if there was, like, a little dead period of time where there was still some time, like, coming off the clock before we could inbound it. So I just asked Brian again. I was like, I'm doing this.

[C]

Right.

[B]

Pretty sure he got mine and Russ's spot mixed up because I wasn't supposed to do anything, which makes sense, because my rookie year, I never did anything to other place. I just stood in the corner and played defense. So I think he had me in Russ's spot. So he was sitting there, like, doing.

[A]

All these giving you. That looked like a lot of rust stuff that he was doing with his heads.

[B]

Well, I was just like, I don't know what you're talking about. So they just caught me at the right time, and I didn't even know, like, in the moment, I didn't even know anything about it. And then I got to my locker, and my phone just wouldn't stop buzzing. Like, my alcohol just took it. And I'm like, what? Like, I'm trying to shut it off. And I look up, and I was.

[A]

Like, oh, they got me.

[C]

That's, like, the worst thing to be a meme, for sure.

[B]

So we had some fun with it.

[C]

Did he? Jerry, you should tell Austin about your. Your celebrity basketball appearances.

[A]

Stop.

[C]

You said you're not an athlete.

[A]

Stop.

[C]

Stop.

[A]

I'm not an asshole. Does not want to hear that. He doesn't want to hear any of my celebrity all star game performances. No, I. I love to play. I'm the dude who shows up at, like, the charity game, and I'm actually pretending like I'm in the NBA and playing hard. I'm slapping the. I go, russ. I go, like, Russ Westbrook. I go.

[C]

The funny thing is, is he actually does. There. There's video of him, like, getting the crowd high, like, talking to the guy. I'm like, what are you doing, dude?

[A]

Hey. It's never gonna happen for me. This is the closest I'm gonna get. I still play a decent amount of pickup. I tell you what, though, too. I'm obsessed with, you know, shoes, obviously for style, but like shoes on the court. I gotta say, dude, I'm. I'm about to purchase. I'm about to purchase some of yours. Well, first question number one, I love the look, but are you a part of the name process? Because the names are amaz. The names are dope of every shoe. Are you. How much are you a part of that? Or is that someone behind the scenes? Because the names are great. When you look at the shoe, you're like, oh, I see that. I get that. Especially the Valentine's Day one coming.

[B]

So I'm not, I'm. I'm not creative enough to boil it down to a.

[A]

Right.

[B]

So my agent, Reggie Berry, he. We actually are picking shoe names right now, which is funny. He'll send me a list of five to seven or five to three names, and he's like, this is what I think is, you know, fits, you know, the line, the storyline, whatever. And I have to pick from the. The 5 to 7 or whatever they are. So. But like I said, I won't take credit for that because if you was to be like, hey, name this shoe. I would just be like, I don't know.

[C]

So you. So I pulled up, you got like Year of the Dragon.

[A]

That's my favorite.

[C]

So you, you. So are you aware of these names? Or he just sends you the names and you just like the way, the way they sound. And I love. It's affordable. These shoes are fire, dude.

[A]

They're dope. They got great performance reviews too. You got great performance?

[B]

No, they've been, they've been, you know, ever since we signed with them with rigor, they've been nothing but great, you know, anything I need at any time. And then they've, you know, let us be hands on with basically any process that we wanted to. Like, like with the, you know, naming of the shoes, color waves. But yeah, no, the, the. The names always have some type of meaning behind them.

[A]

Can I pitch you something? Because I do love the hillbilly bogey shoe, right? It's green, it's got some golf. It's got the bullseye, and we talked about golf. Could we put some spikes on that bad boy and take it out to the course?

[B]

They actually sent me. They, you know the crazy part? They sent me some spikes to. That you can put into them, right? And so I wore them. Really in one day when I went golf.

[A]

Tell me you went low.

[B]

I caught my best round ever.

[A]

Of course, not an ad right there. This is true.

[B]

I shot a 67 in my basketball shoes, no bogeys, five birdies and it was, it was incredible.

[A]

So is the hillbilly. No bogeys.

[B]

Exactly.

[C]

What was it, what was it like when I can only imagine like having your own signature shoe is like, it's kind of like, like dude, I made it right. Like what was it like when you found out that that was all coming together for you?

[B]

Ah, like you said, it was just special. You know, I, like I said, was huge Kobe fan. So I grew up wearing Kobe's, all the Kobe's. And then you know, just having that opportunity to have my own shoe, have the input on, you know, what, you know, even the price and, and how we can make it affordable for everybody was really special and you know, just trying to build that, grow that. But like I said, when that, that opportunity, you know, presented itself, it was, it was a no brainer and something that you know, we wanted to, you know, have fun with and be creative with.

[A]

We mentioned hillbilly bogey because obviously you got, you know, a great tick tock account. Your YouTube channel. I've watched a lot of your stuff because I consume YouTube golf and golf content probably just as much as basketball these days.

[B]

Way more YouTube golf than I think anything else.

[A]

Yeah, I, I, it's just so addicting. It's the best on the plane. You're on way more planes than me. I'm sure you're probably downloading and watching. But now we're gonna go current active players, not retired players. Who you gonna get on the channel? Who you calling out? Is there somebody that you either want or could give you a good round? You said you're low 67. I'm sure most NBA players haven't put the time in to get to that level. Who do you want on the channel for a match?

[B]

I think the one is stuff.

[A]

Yeah, that's where I was gonna hope you were gonna go. Yes.

[B]

Yeah, I mean I just know he's a, he's a good player.

[A]

I'd watch that. I wish that. Yeah, that's really it.

[B]

I mean I think, I think that that's the, there's a couple other guys I think.

[C]

Is Chris Paul good? I think Chris Paul can play, right?

[B]

I actually asked him the other day when we played San Antonio. He said he hadn't been able to play much this year. But Corey Kisper's good, Doug McDermott's good.

[A]

I know Kyle, Kyle Lowry's really good. Which, yeah, he, he, I say this with all due respect. He's my least favorite player in the NBA. Because he just, like, he.

[C]

He destroys.

[A]

Yeah, he just kills. Well, I'm a Knicks fan. But also just, like, he just does all the things that you scream at that he makes you scream at your television, which is only because he's a great player. So then when I hear he's good at golf, too, I'm like, oh, Austin, have you.

[C]

Have you ever watched. Have you ever watched a game with a. Like a Sporting. Like a football game or something, or a basketball game with an avid fan of their team? Have you ever, like. I watched the game with Jerry. How was that experience for you? Because I can tell you how my experience was with Jerry. It's chaos.

[B]

It's literally chaos.

[C]

Isn't it so funny? Because I don't know. I don't know if it's like, being an athlete's weird, right? It's like, why do you care so much? I don't. It's just so funny to me. He was like. We were at. We were actually. We were doing something for the podcast this summer in New York, and it was. Or was it the summer? No, it was.

[A]

It was. It was late spring. It was Nick's Pacers, second round. The game. OG Anunoby pulled us hamstring.

[C]

I remember playoff game. We're doing, like, some upfronts for the show, and we're at this, like, little bar, and it's like. And I'm. Honestly, I'm like a kid is. I'm like, I can't wait. And by the way, we had courtside Nick seats that night that we chose. That he chose not to go to.

[A]

Because I would have missed the entire second quarter.

[C]

But watching him watch his team play, honestly, dude, it was pure comedy. I was like, why do you get like that? Like, I didn't understand it. And he doesn't understand my point of view for sure.

[B]

Now that it's. It's definitely. It's definitely funny. It's. It's chaos.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Listen, I imagine if, you know, I'm trying to put it in my terms, like, if, all right, we're gonna shoot this movie or this show, but you guys probably wouldn't even care about that. You guys have seen all the pressure. There's nothing I could say to shake you or make you care more. So I can't even put it into, like, acting terms or something to make you guys relate, but we care a lot, man. It's a good. It's a. It's a good thing.

[B]

All the reason we do it, you know, the fans are great.

[C]

How do you, how do you like the Intuit Dome? It was cool.

[B]

It was pretty cool. Which I mean, we, you know, do so focus on the game and stuff that you don't really get to see. All the, the stuff that's in the arena, you don't get to go walk around where the concession stands and all that stuff is. But you know, I think the, the wall that they do is a good idea. It kind of brings back that like college atmosphere vibe. So I thought, you know, I thought it was a, a really, really cool arena.

[C]

Yeah, I went to a game there a couple, couple weeks ago randomly. I'm a Laker fan, but I, I thought for me, just like an in game experience as a casual fan, it was, was pretty awesome. Like it was cool. Like you get kind of with the laser shows and just the wall and like everything was state of the art. Is there, Is there. We got, you know, obviously there's some NFL fan bases. I always thought like, this going up to Seattle was tough. Playing up in Philly is really tough. Nasty too. What's the, let's say worse, like worst fan base or like place you really like? Man, Like, I just hate playing there. Is it the Garden or Boston? Is it New York? Is there a place that sticks out?

[B]

I mean, I think, I mean Boston and New York, but I think that it's not. I think that the fan bases are like, they're so passionate in like really no basketball to where it's like, it's like cool. Like you have some fan bases that are just chaotic, that don't know the game, but those, you know, fan bases, you know, know the game, enjoy good basketball and you know, anytime you go, you know, Lakers, Boston, Staples slash crypto, whatever you want to call it is going to be going crazy. So I would say those two. And also Memphis, Memphis gets, Memphis gets hectic.

[A]

Which grindhouse.

[B]

Yeah. So I mean, and it's also. Memphis is an hour 30 from where I grew up. So I feel like anytime, anytime we go there, I probably know over, you know, 75 people there, so it's cool to play there.

[C]

I feel like they talk the most too, right?

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

God, I don't. I don't know. I. Maybe it's always like the games I end up watching, but I feel like they just talk the most.

[A]

I feel like every team talks though, right? Like, I guess I think it was when they had.

[C]

Was it Dylan Brooks? I think when he was on their team or whatever, right? Oh, yeah. I mean, yeah, just like, dude, I, I mean, I Love it. But I'm just like.

[B]

I feel like always they're competitors, they play hard.

[C]

Always. Yeah, no, they're good team for sure.

[A]

So are you going to be our first two sport athlete since Dion? Because you're going to go pro and golf at some point, right? It's happening. At least go in the Creator Classic. You would have won that thing.

[B]

I'm definitely gonna try. I've always said it, I've said it since college that, you know, when B. The basketball does stop bouncing, I want to take a year and a half, two years and give everything I got to. To golf. Because I've never. I've never had a lesson.

[C]

Wow.

[B]

Never. I never practice. I started playing when I was 16. So.

[A]

You haven't been playing that long in your drive. I mean, I know eight. What, eight years? 25. That's not that long for golf man, to be shooting 67s.

[B]

I think, you know, golf is hard for anybody, but a lot of the things that I've talked to guys that play, you know, you know, are trying to compete in golf, a lot of the things that they talk about that is really hard for them. Kind of like come natural to me. I have very good hand eye coordination. You know, chipping, putting, putting, not as much. But just getting up and down from bad spots is probably something I'm pretty good at because when I started playing golf, I wasn't good at golf. So you're in those bad spots, always in bad spots. So I definitely want to. To give it a go.

[A]

I got faith. If I'm bet, I'm a betting man, I'm putting money that I think Romo.

[C]

Tried to do it right while he was still playing. I think he was the one current athlete, and I think he missed just by a couple of shots.

[B]

I think he missed like, he went to like a. One of the. The major qualifiers and yeah, I think he made like double on 18 to miss it by one or so.

[C]

Yeah, that's got to be like my. I really like golf. I just don't play. I don't. I really like it. I got a nice set of clubs.

[A]

Left too. Right. Left.

[C]

I'm alrighty. I'm all right.

[A]

Oh, that's right. You're like the left sometimes. Right? Right.

[C]

But like my biggest fear, I'm telling you, man, like, just thinking about it is like hitting in front of a gallery. It's like my biggest fear.

[B]

No, it's. It's real.

[C]

Right.

[B]

I played in a. A YouTube, like, tournament, and there was probably three, 4,000 people there. And I was playing with the. With Garrett Clark, which is probably, like, one of the biggest YouTube golfers. So he was my partner. So our little gallery we had was. Was pretty big. And we go to the first tee, and I'm sitting there, like, why am I so nervous? Like, my hands shaking. Like, so I had already planned it out, like, thought it out. So I. I didn't care who they told the tee off first. I was gonna tee off first because I went and put my ball up before anybody was paying attention. So I teed it up because I knew I was going to be sitting there shaking, trying to put it on the tee. And they lined down the. The tee box, and I'm just sitting there looking like. Like, y'all don't understand. Like, I'm not a professional golfer. Like, this is not. I'm nervous as right now, and turned out that that was my best swing all day in fairway, but it's definitely. It's different for sure.

[C]

People don't understand. Like, you're right there. Like, if I was up in a gallery, I'm. I swear to God, I'm taking somebody out. Like, I'm taking somebody out. Not on purpose.

[A]

He blasts the dude in the arm.

[C]

Dude.

[A]

So you saying that you can relate to a fan that gets excited about watching athletes do great things that they can't necessarily do. So you. I mean, because you. You guys played in front of thousands. If you total it all up, you're probably damn near a million people that you've played in front of live, right?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And you're nervous about that. So what I'm saying is, chalk one up for the fans who start crying when OG Anunoby pulls his hamstring. Like, me.

[B]

You guys care. I won't. I won't lie to you. I'm a. I'm a fan of Jordan Speed, so I get nervous.

[A]

Right.

[B]

Thing that you've done watching the Knicks, I've probably yelled with Jordan missing a putt or something. I've definitely. I'm a fan, so I. I get it.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Well, we talked about the shoes, which I'm purchasing, but Matt's rubbing it in my face. Because when we're having you on, we're excited to talk about Recover 180. And Matt's like, oh, I have some. I'm like, wait a minute, dude.

[C]

I got a bunch. I didn't even put two and two together until I was like, oh, I drink this all. It's great. I freaking love this stuff.

[B]

Amazing. Yeah.

[C]

I mean, tell us about it. Like, what are you doing with them?

[B]

Yeah, I mean, Lance, come to us. This has probably been two years ago now with the idea of partnering together and just trying to build something special. And so at first we were like, cool. Like, like I had never heard of it. So we were like, just send us some stuff and, you know, we'll see where it goes from there. And then we just, you know, continued to stay in touch and obviously the drinks are really good.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Organic. So it was just something that, you know, like I said, I wanted to, you know, try to grow with, you know, a bunch of good people and, you know, it's been nothing but great. You know, I drink them after years before games.

[A]

Does it fit in the golf cart cup holder?

[B]

It definitely does.

[A]

That's my big pet peeve. When it don't fit in the golf cart cup holder, it's over the cup holder.

[B]

You can have them wherever.

[A]

Awesome. Thank you so much. Good luck with the rest of the season. We'll let you go. Yeah. And keep. Keep swinging. I know you're busy with basketball, but let's not forget about the little white ball that we like to knock now. We'll.

[C]

We should get around in. When Jerry. Jerry comes out this way, y'all let me know.

[A]

Yeah. All right. Thank you, Austin.

[C]

Appreciate you, man.

[B]

Slow down.

[A]

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[C]

And national champion, and someone to keep.

[A]

Everything on the tracks. Every week, coach Urban Meyer, running back Mark Ingram. Than me, Rob Stone. Get into what matters most to you.

[C]

We take you inside the biggest moments.

[B]

In college football while having some fun.

[A]

Bringing you guests from all over sports and entertainment. Watch triple options on YouTube or listen on Apple podcasts, Spotify or wherever you get your podcasts. All right, it's time now for dynamic duos presented by Wendy's. Two faves for just seven bucks. Gotta be Wendy's. Terms apply. So each week, Matt and I, with throwbacks, we kind of want to pick a duo. It could be quarterback, wide receiver, anything in, you know, movies, tv. We're going TV this week. We're going the best duo. Mom and dad, television parents. And this could be whatever it means to you you'd want them to be your parents. They were funny. Whatever Your criteria is quick honorable mentions, like the bad parents. Like, I don't know if you'd want. I just re watched Breaking Bad. Don't know if you want Walter and Skyler White as your parents.

[C]

I'm assuming you went and I have no idea. I'm assuming you went more wholesome television show. I could go Breaking Bad show. I went sitcom.

[A]

Oh, no. I went sitcom too. So this is Hope this is going to be good. Do you want to go first? You want me to go?

[C]

I'll go first. So.

[A]

Okay.

[C]

The greatest night as a childhood watching television was what?

[A]

Tgif.

[C]

Tgif.

[A]

Heck, yeah.

[C]

Thank goodness or thank God. Whatever you said thank God. It's Friday and you had the run of family matters. You had the run of step by step. You had to run a full house at all those shows.

[A]

I could sing all those songs.

[C]

I'm going. And this is, it's a little. It's a little different. It's not a mother and father. It's actually three guys. And it's full house.

[A]

Okay.

[C]

And it's Danny Tanner, played by the late Bob Saget. Incredible, obviously funny, great in that, great career. Uncle Jesse and Uncle Joey. Uncle Jesse. John Stamos. Uncle Joey Gladstone, obviously cut. Dave Coulier. And I'm just saying there's a lot of reasons why comedy. The show was one of my favorite shows. I had a massive crush on Jody Sweetin who played Stephanie Tanner. It was the Olsen twins breakout. They were babies on that. Candace Cameron, who I probably had a crush on too, later in life. I mean, Aunt Becky. Who didn't have a crush on Aunt Becky? Lori Loughlin. Yeah. A little trouble.

[A]

A little trouble back in the day.

[C]

Not too long ago, but still, like every, if you say Aunt Becky, everybody's like, oh, love Aunt Becky. So I'm going with my favorite TV parents, the trio of dads. Danny Tanner's a widow. He loses his wife in the, in the show and they come in and they take care of the three daughters. Shout out to the three.

[A]

Couple of things there. I love that. Number one, as a child of a single parent, you know, my dad passed away when I was five, so when Full house comes along, I used to. Not that it made me emotional, but I would be like, oh, it would be really cool if, like, one of my uncles and, like, moved in. I, I, to me, that was like the perfect family. Right? One parent, but then all this other family help. Number two also, I think Candace Cameron married Pavel Bureau Hockey. Yeah. We got a little sports connection. And I Got to know Bob Saget really well over the years because of his cameos on Entourage, which a lot of people put Bob Saget's cameos on Entourage up there for their all time favorite Entourage cameos. I mean, I have one of the legends that I have a lot like Tom Brady sucks balls is probably one of the lines that gets said to me most. But second or third is, did you just get blocked by Bob Saget? That comes up all the time. He was the sweetest guy. What like, you know, and what made him so dynamic was like his stand up was so much different than that character. Right. He was a little irreverent and just every time I ran into him, it was an occasion. So that one meant a lot to me. That's a great one. I did not pick that one because I went with just one that I went with my. The first thing that popped in my head when I thought of television parents. The first couple that popped into my head was Phil and Vivian Banks.

[C]

Oh, absolutely.

[A]

That was.

[C]

That was my honorable mention.

[A]

You know, they took in their troubled nephew from Philly, who got into a little trouble. Phil. Uncle Phil was a judge. So look, he had some juice. He could get you out of some situations if you needed it. And they just. Him throwing jazz out every episode, it just was. That's the perfect parent balance for a television show. They were funny.

[C]

Remember the final. The final show when Will Smith stands or in the empty.

[A]

Alone in the house. That's. That's one of the biggest memes on.

[C]

Twitter, by the way. I cried. I literally. I haven't cried in a lot of like ending of shows. And I don't know how old I was, but I could, I could pull that up on YouTube, watch that clip and. And start to get teary eyed. That, that, that was one of the greatest runs, Obviously. Will Smith. I mean, just an iconic character. DJ Jazzy Jeff and then Uncle Phil and Viv. Oh, God. What was. What's the sister's name?

[A]

Well, it's Ashley. Young.

[C]

Well, young Ashley and then. No, but older. What's her name?

[A]

Hillary. Hillary.

[C]

Hillary. Hillary.

[A]

Hillary. Can't forget Hillary.

[C]

I mean, yeah, that. That was on my own. I had a cut. That one's great, man. Mike and Carol Brady. Brady brunch.

[A]

Sure. I mean, I had Al and Peggy Bundy up there too. Different honorable mention there.

[C]

Yeah, I mean, I think they're iconic also.

[A]

Fun little fact about the actor who played Uncle Phil. He was also. I'm a ninja Tur kid, like the cartoon. He was the Voice of Shredder in the Ninja Turtles.

[C]

Was he? I didn't know that.

[A]

Oh, yes, Turtles. He was the voice of Shredder. So shout outs to Uncle Phil and Aunt Viv and thank you to Wendy's. That's our dynamic duo. And that leads us right perfectly into our throwback three. It's kind of a feel bad for this one, honestly.

[C]

I know because we're just going to be ripping on fan bases this week.

[A]

Our throwback three is the top three most tortured fan bases in any sport. Doesn't have to be football. It's any sport. So I've had some time to think and there's a lot. There's a lot that didn't make that. You can go this in many directions with torture.

[C]

I'm excited. I think you can go in a lot of different directions. But I'm excited to get what people think too because normally with these we send out and there's a lot of debate and all that, but I'm. I think we'll get a lot of these fans and these fan bases giving us all the reasons why they're tortured and they hate their sports teams, but they love them at the same time. And while they're never going to win. So you got it, man. You want to fire away?

[A]

Yeah. And honestly, I had, I, I'm pretty clear on my number two and number one. Number three was the toughest. And for me it was between the jets and the Lions. I went with the Lions because they're just better right now. And that was a really tough loss. You can make the argument that the jets really have the Namath super bowl and you know, a little Vinnie Testaverde run and then the two Mark Sanchez AFC championship appearances is really the, the only thing they've had in franchise history. And that, that franchise, those fans are star. But with the Lions, I just think it's different. They've, you know, from the Thanksgiving games, the run of no playoff appearances even with Stafford. To me, number three is the Detroit Lions. And I think the fan bas one of the fan bases. I'm rooting the most for success because I like a lot.

[C]

Not Detroit based, but just the Lions.

[A]

Lions specific in particular. Lions specifically. Pacific.

[C]

Yeah, I mean they're, they were, you know, they're the. One of the oldest franchises.

[A]

That's the other thing around 1930.

[C]

They've never made it to a Super bowl. So it's almost, it'll be almost a.

[A]

Hundred years and boy, do they want it.

[C]

I put Cincinnati as three and I went more More sport in general. Just kind of like overall, when you think of Cincinnati, the last championship was in 90, and that was a Cincinnati Red.

[A]

That's one of my favorite baseball teams.

[C]

Of all time, Bengals. Oh, and three in the Super Bowl. They've only been three times. They've never won. And we look at the Bengals, you look at now, they have. I always base it around, okay, you have Joe Burrow. You have one of the best. What are you going to do with Joe Burrow? But now you play in an era where you have to defeat Patrick Mahomes and Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson. It's just, it's. It's a really tough time.

[A]

I mean, that Rams super bowl was their moment. They should. They really.

[C]

Aaron Donald finishes it off and that was the ch. That was a chance they had. You go back to some of you know Carson Palmer, who a good friend I played with, you know, he. He was number one pick, great there. Pete Rose, rest in peace. Banned from baseball, but was like one of the most iconic. I'm just saying, like, you go back.

[A]

And you're like, man, Achilles Smith, remember.

[C]

Yes. Achilles Smith's son is a baller. He's a. I'm sure. Yeah. He's got. I think he committed to Oregon. So he. He and Cole know each other are. They're around the same age, but yeah, just Cincinnati. I think when you look at it, you just. You're like, the Reds haven't been good in a long time. The Bengals are kind of there, but notoriously been sort of a. Just kind of a cheap, I'm say, shitty organization. But just, you know, they have the pieces now. They have some of the pieces. What are they going to do with them? Obviously you go, yeah, I go. Cincinnati. It's a cool town, though. It's a cool town.

[A]

Cool town. But also it's like, like good sports town, too.

[C]

They just.

[A]

It was really tough this year not to make the playoffs with that team, with that offense specifically. That is a playoff.

[C]

Don't. Don't lose to New England.

[A]

Yeah, I agree. I agree.

[C]

That's.

[A]

I mean, like, you don't want to waste. I just get to the point of you don't want to. Not. You're wasting. You don't want to miss out on too many healthy Joe Burrow years. Not.

[C]

You only have so much time. You think. You think these guys are going to play for 15, right? And maybe they do. Or you think you're going to be able to keep Jamar and T all like, it just doesn't work. That way. It's very hard to do that.

[A]

T. Higgins is tossed around in every trade rumor free.

[C]

Like they should try and keep him. But if they lose, I mean.

[A]

Yeah, that's what I want.

[C]

Again, you're just banking on being healthy every year. Exactly.

[A]

So yeah, well, my, my number two. I would be remiss not to call myself out. I have to here and it just is the way it is. But I'm putting the New York Knicks specific fans on there and I'll make the case for you, Matt. Some success in the 70s, two championships. No one under the age of 60 really remembers any of that. We had the 90s run. Michael Jordan broke our heart every single time we talked about the Mahomes thing. That was the same thing with the Knicks. Knicks were up 20 in 94 and blew a 20 lead with home court advantage. Like, like you, you think they're dead and they're just not. And then obviously nothing really good has happened from then on. One finals appearance run in a half a season. But just look at from 2000 till now, which is now a 25 year run. There's like four playoff appearances in those 20 years. So I think most Nick fans will agree with me. And now, yes, things are good. Things are good. Lot of fun vibes are high right now. We've suffered to get to this point and that's why I feel like it's okay.

[C]

I don't know if you've. I wouldn't say you're tortured really. Cincinnati's never, I mean some of these teams have never. I mean Detroit Lions have never won.

[A]

A championship in 1972.

[C]

Yeah, but you still, I mean you guys, what did you guys get? Like, you guys have a star team.

[A]

This year and you guys, the Bengals have a star team this year.

[C]

Playoffs. You guys made the playoffs last year and you guys are rocking right now.

[A]

Listen, I mean, I get it now. The vibes are high.

[C]

But I wouldn't say the Knicks, I wouldn't be like the Knicks are.

[A]

That we imagine being the worst.

[C]

Well, knowing, knowing what type of fans you guys have. Knowing you, I could understand why you.

[A]

Well, here's what I'm saying. This is the kind of torture we had to endure. Imagine being the bottom three in the NBA for like four straight years and not having a first round draft pick. Pick. Think about it like that.

[C]

We.

[A]

There was a run there where the Knicks were bottom three for years in a row with no first round pick. And then we picked Kristoff's Porzingis and then now he's winning championships for the Celtics. So that's my number two. I know Nick fans and Charles Oakley.

[C]

Can'T even sit in your arena. Come on.

[A]

That I refuse to discuss because I love Oakley. I will not discuss my number two.

[C]

I, I, I'm gonna assume this might be your number one. I'm going Minnesota.

[A]

No, not my number one in the honorable mention.

[C]

We might have the same number one. We might not.

[A]

For sure.

[C]

Minnesota. When you look at all of the sport, I think I would say great sports. I meant great sports town. They got the T. Wolves.

[A]

It's a great sports town. Yeah, I've been there.

[C]

Minnesota Twins.

[A]

They got a ring with Twins.

[C]

You have all four major post. Minnesota Wild. Yep. Couple, couple factoids here. The last championship came in 91. Do you know which team won that?

[A]

Obviously was 91. Was the Twins.

[C]

Yeah. Minnesota Twins.

[A]

Yeah. Kirby Puckett, baby.

[C]

Favorite player. My brother's favorite player growing up all time. Kirby Puckett. Mine was Ken Griffey and Vince Coleman. Random. I know. Vikings never won a Super Bowl. They've been four times. I love, I love doing research when we do this.

[A]

Well, because you realize like how bad.

[C]

Realize like how bad or how great they are. I, I put some notable heartbreaks in there. See if you remember some of these miss kicks by Gary Anderson and Blair Walsh.

[A]

Yep.

[C]

Farrer's interception in 2009, the failed Herschel Walker trade. Do you remember that?

[A]

Do, I mean, so. Yes.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

It led to Emmett Smith. Right.

[C]

And led to Emmett Smith, Smith, Darren Woodson and Russell Maryland. So in 89, the Vikings traded for Herschel Walker.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Who was, I mean, was a beast. Right. I mean, still a beast, but didn't pan out. But in return, the Cowboys essentially got all those draft picks and they drafted those three players. The Cowboys went on to win, obviously, three Super Bowls in the 90s. And the Vikings. So like, you look back and you're.

[A]

Like, so you're doing the whole city of Minnesota.

[C]

Yeah, I'm, I'm just doing, yeah, I'm just doing it. A sports town. Yeah. The Vikings. I, and then this year with Sam Darnold and all that. And you know how I feel about Sam. But just the year they had and, and they've been, they've been, they're a very good team. Playoffs a lot of times, even the Cousins, but just, you just, they can't get over the hump. So say Minnesota. I, I don't know how I would say this. I don't know. Like New York fans are, are like Philly fans love their sports. Right. They probably hate them, but they love them. They're always showing up stuff. I don't know if Minnesota has like, they, they might hate me for saying this. Like truly great appreciative fans. I'm sure the Vikings, you know, I mean, like, dude, I think they do.

[A]

I mean, the few. I know.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Okay, so I know Josh Dumas. I know Nick Swartz, you know, I know.

[C]

Like, do they have deep, deep rooted.

[A]

I think fan.

[C]

I think Vikings for sure.

[A]

Vikings for sure. You know, the Twins have had.

[C]

Had.

[A]

You know, they. They would have been a lot of first round exits.

[C]

I mean, they can't even fill up their stadium anymore.

[A]

They were a lot of first round exits to the Yankees in. You know, but I take that back.

[C]

I think, I mean, I'm sure there's true good fans there, but they just. I mean, they haven't celebrated a championship since the Twins. And I don't even think people go watch the Twins anymore in Minnesota.

[A]

I'm with you, man. Wow, look, number one.

[C]

I. It's.

[A]

It's the Bills. It's the Bills. I'm sorry. I feel for you, Buffalo. We even got a lump in the Sabers with all this. Who have not been. Not that we talk hockey much on the show. I do love playoff hockey, but yeah, there's. From the four Super Bowls to everything going on now, to being in the same division as Tom Brady, something has got to give. And their fan base is so electric and amazing. If I could say what team I'd want to win a championship that I have no affiliation with in football, for sure, it's the Bills. I would feel. And I, I feel the best for their fan. I feel like they would appreciate that super bowl more than any other franchise.

[C]

That I, I've told. I told you this story, but I was with the Bills for a cup of coffee in preseason my last year and Doug Moran.

[A]

Is that like a call, like spur the moment you hop on a flight and you're gone? Like, hey, I'm going to Buffalo.

[C]

I was on an elliptical, 2024 hour fitness in Hermosa Beach. True story.

[A]

And you just got a call like, hey, Buffalo.

[C]

I was still tr. Yeah, I was still working out, but I was still working out, but I was. I was. I was done. Like I was. I was. I had a workout first for Pete in Seattle earlier that year, like in March, and then just training throughout the summer. One foot in, one foot out. Didn't really care. And then my agent called and he was like, Buffalo, you're gonna fly out tonight on a red eye. You're gonna get there tomorrow, go through and then you're practicing. It was literally practice the next day. I was there for four days. It was preseason four game number four. Really doesn't matter. A lot of the backups play. Kevin Cobb had a concussion. He was out. They just drafted EJ Manual. Was their first.

[A]

Yeah, EJ Manual.

[C]

So I always wonder if I would have, if I would have played well, would I have made it? Probably not. I think they needed an arm and I was okay with that. I didn't really care to be honest with you. But I played like, I will say the, the three days that I was there. There was one event that took place with the team like a back. Like they do. Like an event where the players come in and sign some autographs. I remember they treated me like, like a king. Just the fans in the sense of oh, we're so.

[A]

I was like, God, they love that team.

[C]

So I disappointed them so much in that game. But my, my glimpse of the Bills Mafia firsthand and Houston had good fan. I. It was just like, wow, this is cool. Like this is a cool place. There's not much to do out there in Buffalo.

[A]

Are they up there for you as a fan base just from even like a quick four day experience from things you've seen in the NFL.

[C]

0, 0 doubt. Like maybe the best fan. I mean a lot of these teams have great fan bases, but maybe the best, like truly passionate, love their team and that's all they got up there, man. I mean you're from New York. It's Buffalo, the Sabers and Buffalo Bills. There's nothing else over in Buffalo. And so I'm with you. I, I want them to win a championship. I don't care as much about the Sabers. I want the Bills to win a championship.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Before it's all said and done.

[A]

And I will say too like they're the Josh Allen is, is in a way similar with My Homes, like, like a Steph Curry where they are getting a lot of fans that don't live in Buffalo but love Josh. Like my nephew's the perfect example and even though he lives in like my nephew's claiming well Buffalo's New York. Like yeah, you. I told him like you live closer to Cleveland and Buffalo and that's not, that's not a joke. That's true. You can get here faster than you could Buffalo. But I do feel like there's a lot of Bills fans for this very specific team. And my nephew really wants to go to a game. So anyone out there listening? You got the Buffalo Bills hookup, let me know because I think I got to take this kid to a Bills game next year.

[C]

You got to take them to a.

[A]

Game in September preferably. I ain't trying to freeze my ass.

[C]

I did, I did play. I did beat Josh Allen in a flag football game. That's my claim to hell.

[A]

We, we count, we count everything here.

[C]

I want a championship. I ran through through in the playoffs. I ran through Josh Allen, Will Levis. No Will Levis, then Josh Allen and then Desmond Ritter and then Dorian Thompson Robinson to win the championship.

[A]

You should just maybe highlight the Josh Allen part of those.

[C]

Oh, we smacked his team. Wasn't very good. We smacked his team.

[A]

Well listen, this was a really really fun show. Maddie. Next week I look forward to seeing you bright eyed and bushy tailed, well rested. Josie liner it. We love you throwbacks.

[C]

Joe Rockstar.

[A]

Rockstar. I can't wait to hear about your backyard project next week that's going on that Matt said yes to.

[C]

It might be the wrong time to vet about the back back probably with a you know, couple day old but all good. There's always time for that on throw.

[A]

And don't forget like and subscribe on all socials and for the YouTube especially. And again pay attention. Keep notifications. We will be at the fanatics red carpet event in New Orleans and the next time I see you Matt will be you'll be a father of four and I will see you in New Orleans.

[C]

Yes sir.

[B]

Peace. Go.