The Champ Is Here!

Summary

Throwbacks with Matt Leinart & Jerry Ferrara

Episode: The Champ Is Here!

Date: December 18, 2025

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Episode Overview

In this energetic, hilarious, and heartwarming episode, Matt Leinart and Jerry Ferrara cover Jerry’s triumphant experience at the Derek Jeter Invitational, swelter through family holiday travel stories, dig into modern family traditions (and headaches) around Christmas, and debate the state of sports—especially the new NBA Cup and NFL MVP race. With characteristic back-and-forth and guest Annie Agar bringing NFL trivia heat, the guys offer a rich blend of personal stories, sports analysis, and relatable dad-life moments.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Jerry Wins the Derek Jeter Invitational [00:03–09:46]

• Jerry on winning the Celebrity Shootout:
  Jerry attended the 30th annual Derek Jeter Invitational charity golf tournament in the Bahamas, a bucket-list event for '90s baseball fans with legends like Ken Griffey Jr., Cliff Floyd, Andrew Jones, and many others.
• The Celebrity Shootout:
  • All celebrities and Hall of Famers gather around a par 3; closest-to-the-pin wins.
  • There’s heavy roasting from emcees Anthony Anderson & Chris Tucker, adding to the nerves.
  • Anthony Mackie and Ja Rule both shank—Ja hits a cameraman (“completely vertical… hit the camera dude right in the arm”—Jerry, 07:10).
  • Jerry, under major pressure, delivers: “I essentially closed my eyes, swung, and I hit it to about 11ft. Everyone goes nuts.” (Jerry, 07:56).
  • As notable players (Michelle Wie, Nick Swisher, C.C. Sabathia, Chris Young) fail to get closer, Jerry takes the title.
• Quotes & Memorable Moments:
  • “This is one of the greatest things I’ve ever accomplished in my life.” (Jerry, 08:39)
  • “Standing in front of all of those Hall of Famers… and just to stripe one… it’s got to be…the greatest feeling Jerry Ferrara’s ever, ever felt in his entire life.” (Matt, 08:43)
• Jerry’s new identity post-win:
  • “Now everyone starts calling me champ everywhere I’m going. Charles Oakley: ‘What’s up, champ?’” (Jerry, 09:18)
  • Jerry promises full “heel” mode next year: “I’m gonna walk in like Ric Flair, bro. Sunglasses, shirt off…” (Jerry, 09:31)

Family Travel & Dad Life [00:48–03:42]

• Matt’s New York fiasco:
  Navigating New York at Christmas with young kids is “magical” but “the most anxiety and stress we’ve had as parents” (Matt, 01:13).
  Return travel: Plane delayed for six hours, then a night in a hotel, more delays. "It was like a 36-hour day. It was brutal."
  Memorable: Matt’s son, after six hours on the tarmac — “Daddy, did we land at home?”

Christmas Traditions, Gifting, and Family Philosophy [17:57–35:51]

• Gifting other adults:
  Matt, on paring down adult gifts: “My dad. That’s it…My wife and I aren’t doing gifts for each other this year.”
• Modern Christmas chaos:
  • Explosion of gifting among friends’ kids and teachers: “We have to…all my nieces and nephews…our best friends…This adds up to like 15 or 20 gifts…Christmas is all about that, but when did we go into like the friend circle?” (Matt, 19:32)
  • Both reminisce about the shift from intimate to overwhelming holiday expectations.
• Least Favorite Traditions:
  • Jerry: The Italian “Feast of the Seven Fishes.”
    “My brother and I don’t eat fish at all…my aunt Celeste would always make me mozzarella sticks and chicken parm.” (Jerry, 22:27)
  • Matt: Elf on the Shelf.
    “It just adds another layer to the magic…but I just don’t know at what point this little f***ing Keebler elf became a huge part of our life.” (Matt, 25:10)
  • Both admit to reluctantly lying to their kids as part of holiday “magic.”

Reflections on Gifts & Family Memories [41:13–44:30]

• Meaningful gifts:
  • Video game consoles evoke strong feelings about what parents went through to afford them: “The Xbox was a couple hundred bucks back then—a lot of money…they had to save up probably or budget it.” (Matt, 41:30)
  • Jerry’s moving story: Mom put a San Jose Sharks starter jacket on layaway for a year despite money being tight. “The jacket’s great, but the memory of what my mom did…” (Jerry, 44:18)
• Experiences over things:
  • “Creating experiences…those are things your kids will remember forever.” (Matt, 32:09)

Is Christmas the New Best Sports Day? [35:51–40:51]

• Christmas Day status debated:
  • NFL and NBA games overlap—has the holiday become the new top sports viewing day?
  • “Christmas with the kids playing to the toys…having a nice glass of wine or beers…watching NFL and NBA…” (Matt, 37:24)
  • Both reminisce about growing up with different Christmas Eves/Days—traditions, trips, NBA games at Madison Square Garden.

The NBA Cup & Celebrating Small Titles [45:19–53:44]

• Knicks win the NBA Cup; what does it mean?
  Jerry: “No means do I think it should be a banner…I just enjoyed watching that game.” (Jerry, 46:41)
  Matt: “It doesn’t get you any closer to an NBA Championship.” (Matt, 52:53)
  • Debate over whether it’s appropriate to celebrate (“Our good friend Charles Barkley says the NBA Cup is embarrassing. I don’t see any other incentive.” - Matt, 47:30)
  • Both agree: Intensity was higher; fans can enjoy it—just don’t call it a ring.
  • Knicks fans will celebrate wins regardless.

Load Management, Youth Sports & NBA Woes [48:00–51:25]

• Load management and AAU fatigue:
  Matt: “Basketball’s been around a hundred years. Load management wasn’t a thing in the 90s…”
  Jerry: “Kids are playing hundreds of games a year before college. That starts a whole chain reaction.”

Funny & Relatable Dad Stories [26:36–30:05]

• Tough, pain-loving kids:
  • Matt describes his son, Case: “He will be my teenager who, if I threaten him, he’s like: ‘Do it, Dad. I want to feel it.’ He loves pain. It’s awesome…I’ll never question his toughness.” (Matt, 26:36 & 27:56)

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Special Guests & Trivia Segment – Annie Agar [57:13–68:24]

• Annie joins for “Twisted Tea Trivia”:
  • Opening banter on road trips, Costco, and the NFL.
  • Chiefs dynasty: “It’s hard for me to dislike them…Mahomes is great…Kelsey, Andy Reid… I love it.” (Matt, 58:58)
  • NFL MVP debate: Stafford vs. Josh Allen. “He [Josh Allen] is the entire offense…they would be maybe a four-win team without him.” (Annie, 61:14)
  • Discussion about weird possible Super Bowl matchups.
  • Jerry makes a case for Arizona’s Trey McBride as Offensive Player of the Year (“Dude is leading the league in catches…105 catches…more touchdowns than [JSN]…” - Jerry, 63:14), which Matt and Annie mostly dismiss due to the team’s poor record.
  • Fantasy football suffering: “Fantasy is still undefeated as the worst thing going.” (Jerry, 66:21)
  • Trivia round: Current NFL player stats and rapid-fire guessing, with much banter over who answered first.

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• On the Jeter Invitational win:
  “This is one of the greatest things I’ve ever accomplished in my life.” (Jerry, 08:39)
  “I’m going to walk in like Ric Flair, bro. Sunglasses, shirt off…” (Jerry, 09:31)
• On Elf on the Shelf:
  “I just don’t know at what point this little f***ing Keebler elf became a huge part of our life.” (Matt, 25:10)
• On meaningful gifts:
  “The jacket’s great, but the memory of what my mom did…” (Jerry, 44:18)
• On Christmas sports:
  “Christmas with the kids…NFL and NBA…has to be up there…top two or three [sports days].” (Matt, 37:24)
• On NBA Cup celebration:
  “No means do I think it should be a banner… I don’t feel any sense of accomplishment. But there’s no reason why the Knicks shouldn’t celebrate that win.” (Jerry, 46:43)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Derek Jeter Invitational Story: 00:03–09:46
• Holiday Travel Woes: 00:48–03:42
• Christmas Traditions & Gifting: 17:57–35:51
• Meaningful Gifts & Family Memories: 41:13–44:30
• Christmas as a Sports Holiday: 35:51–40:51
• NBA Cup & Trophy Celebration Debate: 45:19–53:44
• Sports Load Management, Youth Training: 48:00–51:25
• Dad Stories, Tough Kids: 26:36–30:05
• Annie Agar NFL Segment & Trivia: 57:13–68:24

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Tone & Style

The episode is classic “Throwbacks”: warm, self-deprecating, and loaded with affectionate ribbing. Both hosts are open about the absurdities of modern parenting, the genuine pressure and joy of shared sports moments, and nostalgic about their own upbringings. The blend of humor, nostalgia, and real talk is tangible throughout.

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For New Listeners

This episode offers:

• Firsthand sports celebrity stories you won’t get anywhere else.
• Honest, funny takes on family, holidays, and modern fatherhood.
• Unique perspectives from two icons with very different routes to fame.
• A real sense of how sports, memories, and personal victories—big and small—shape their lives.

Skip the ads and outros; this is where the action, laughs, and lessons happen.

Transcript

[A]

Your boy. Yeah. The new.

[B]

Yeah Dog.

[A]

Derek Jeter Invitational champ.

[B]

It's got to be one of the greatest feelings Jerry Farrar's ever felt in his entire life. And I'm proud of you, buddy.

[A]

All right. Welcome into another episode of Throwbacks. Matty, Ice. Maddie, New York.

[B]

Maddie, New York.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, I'm on location. You were just on location. I am. I'm in the Bahamas. I am at the thing I talk about probably once a week for the last year to you, Matt. I'm at the Derek Jeter.

[B]

We're at the Derek Jeter Invitational. I know, I've heard it. I. I get it. Dude, I gotta be.

[A]

I'm finally here. We have a really fun story coming up for it. But I was just thinking of something because you had a, you had a like, hellacious travel back, right, with the boys. You and the family went to New York and it was just one of those marathon, like, we may not get home for Christmas. You were just stuck.

[B]

So we went to New York this past weekend and my wife, it was, I could talk about for a long time. It was great, right? We did all the touristy stuff. We lined it up. Fao, Schwartz, Rockefeller ice skating, Central Park, Broadway, all of these things. The boys are great. I would say this, my advice to parents trying to go to New York in December. It is magical. It is great. Having a 4 and 5 year old is the most anxiety and stress that we have had as parents because like, you talk about home, you get lost. You get lost in New York home alone. Yeah, like, you just like, you got to hold their hand every second of the day. So that part was, was stressful. But my wife created an incredible weekend. So the travel day, dude. So the storm hit like Saturday night snow. It was, it was, and it was like windy snow. Right? It wasn't like, oh, cute little snow, let's go walk around. And then Sunday through about 11. So anyway, we get to the airport, we're flying out about 1:30 Eastern. We, we take off from the gate, everything is going good. And then for some reason, you know, like, you just when, you know when you sit for like an hour and you get something's up and you're like, is it maintenance? Is it, is it like something wrong? Because we're, we're, we're away from the gate, we're ready. And basically like there was a long line for deicing flights were getting canceled left and right just throughout the day. And then we hit our time limit. We were out there for, we were out there for Three hours. Once you hit three hours, you have to go back to the gate if you don't take off because it's like, you know, it's a, it's a law or something. The problem was we didn't have a gate for another two and a half hours. We were in the plane for six hours on Sunday with, by the way, my boys were fantastic. They had their iPads, they were great. They didn't. This is how long we were in a plane for. We are literally sitting there and we come back to the gate to get out and Cannon goes, daddy, did we land at home? I was like, bro, buddy, we're going to, we're going to go stay in a hotel in Queensland right now and we're gonna get up at 3am to take a shuttle back to the airport for a 6am flight and hope we get out. By the way, delayed two more hours on Monday morning to get home. So it was like a 36 hour day. It was brutal. We made it. The boys are great. I don't handle those situations very well. I gotta be honest with you. I was fine on Sunday. Monday I thought we were gonna get hit again because we had maintenance issues on the plane. And when you hear maintenance, I'm rather.

[A]

I'm like ready to just. Let's not do this flight if there's maintenance.

[B]

That was my experience. Great. Happy to be home.

[A]

Well, I'm glad you made it back. My trip is almost over. You know, I figure I have a good story to tell and we always do our NITSA kind of crossroad moment. And it's kind of a crossroad for me. But we're gonna basically do this as a full segment, so shout outs to Nitza. I want to say we're doing it's Crossroad present Crossroads presented by nhtsa. The next time you are out drinking, call a ride, share a taxi. A sober friend, designated driver. The only decision that will change your world for the better is a decision to call for a sober ride. Drive sober or get pull over. So, Maddie, what do you got? I did something for, for the program, for the show. I think I, I think I did a good thing. So, you know, Jeter tournament, turn two foundation, they do wonderful things for a lot of kids coming into their 30th year doing it whole setup. And again, if you love baseball and there's a lot of other athletes there and entertainers, but if you love baseball and especially 90s baseball, forget it. It's Ken Griffey Jr. Jeter, Cliff Floyd Andrew Jones. It's awesome. Everyone you ever want to meet in baseball, specifically from the 90s. So after you play your first charity round, a scramble, they do something called the celebrity shootout, right? They gather all the celebrities, which are just hall of Fame baseball players and a few, you know, actors, and everyone from the tournament, like 200 people gather around this par three, and they hit a shot, and it's closest to the pin, right? Like, J. R. Smith won it last year. And I've been daydreaming for years of not even just winning. I'm like, I would love.

[B]

This was your moment.

[A]

I would love to get a. Like, imagine getting a hole in one and turning around. You're staring at Derek Jeter. Yeah, it'd be awesome. But also, you get roasted the entire time by Anthony Anderson and Chris Tucker. They are on the mic making fun of you before you hit your shot. So I'm not excited to hit this shot. I'm not saying, like, oh, pick me. I hide in the back. You know how short I am. I can't see over anyone. I was standing behind CC Sabathia. Can't do so now before me, Anthony Mackie gets up. Captain America, bro. Gets up to the teeth. And please follow along. I will post this on throwbacks. You know, Anthony's in good shape. Jack dude, lot of swing speed. He hits a shank so bad. And there's camera shots where it doesn't just, like, whiz at people. It crosses in front of someone's eyes. It was a. Like, a warning headshot. And if it would have hit this person, that would have been a really, really bad day. So they're all gonna move everyone to the left or back. I know you've hit someone, right?

[B]

Oh, yeah. On live TV. Fine, though. But mine was. Mine was like, 130 out. I overshot the green. I just hit a kid right in the bouncer.

[A]

Right? Or.

[B]

No, I had it right in the thigh.

[A]

Was the bullet or was it.

[B]

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Okay, not the. Not off the tee. Thank God.

[A]

And then. Okay, so I. I watched that, and then that's implanted in my brain. And now I'm really getting nervous, and I'm at my crossroad, and then a few people go. And then Ja Rule gets up. Ja Rule for the show later on. And I think Jo just started playing golf.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And this one's all. This one, I want to talk about the word viral. This one is everywhere. You've probably seen it. If you're listening or watching. If not, look it up. He hits a shank that thankfully was not going as fast as Anthony Mackie's. And it hit.

[B]

He hit it backwards almost.

[A]

It was, like, completely vertical. It was completely vertical for camera dude who probably thought, no one's going to hit me here. Gets drilled right. Right in the arm. Fortunately, he's okay. And Ja was a good sport about it and all that. So now I'm just like, I gotta get. Let's just get this thing over with. And they call my name. Where's Jerry? And Anthony Anderson starts making fun of me right away. Nick Swisher's yelling at me that I, like, work out with my wife making fun of me. All these guys are like, all right, 145 yards, little downwind. Your boy's got a nine iron. And I did have to back off twice because Chris Tucker was just clowning me. But then I just got up there, I essentially closed my eyes, swung, and I hit it to about 11ft, right? Everyone goes nuts.

[B]

Yeah, that's a good shot.

[A]

But then I gotta sweat out. Next on the tee, Michelle We. What? All right, the dream's over. That was fun while it lasted. She kind of hits it short. I had to sweat through Michelle W.E. martinez, Nick Swisher, C.C. sabathia. And then. I think it's fine. Connolly gets it. Connolly hit right after Ja Rule. Finally gets, like. I think it's done. And then Chris Young. Last player to hit Chris is a stick, bro. I'm like, oh, he hits it to, like, 12 and a half feet. And your boy. Yeah, the new.

[B]

Yeah, dog.

[A]

Derek Jeter Invitational champ.

[B]

It's worth it. It's all.

[A]

This is one of the greatest things I've ever accomplished in my life.

[B]

I know, bro. I know. Trust me. It's standing. Standing in front of all of those hall of Famers. Derek Jeter, the captain, famous actors, comedians, and just to stripe 110ft to the pin, bro. It's got to be the great outside. Outside of a hole in one. It's got to be one of the greatest feelings Jerry Ferrar's ever, ever felt in his entire life. Well, I'm proud of you, buddy. I'm proud of you.

[A]

I gotta be on the classic Jeter. Like the. You know when you used to make, like, a big play or something. I got the classic Jeter thing. Now everyone starts calling me champ everywhere. I'm going, Charles Oakley. What's up, champ?

[B]

You walked into dinner. You walked into dinner that night with your head.

[A]

They made me bring the belt to the JA rule before.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So now I'm going full heel. Next year I'm gonna fly back with this belt and I'm to walk.

[B]

You're defending champ, bro.

[A]

I'm going to walk in like Ric Flair, bro. Sunglasses. Sh. I might even take my shirt off. So that was my crossroad. It's one of the greatest things that ever happened to me. Shout outs to Nita. Thank you for telling, for letting me tell that story through the segment.

[B]

There's nothing better than sticking a great golf shot, even if you're just playing with your boys. But when you're doing it in front of an audience, especially like that against, you know, players you watch growing up. Yankees. Like, like. And to. Not. Dude, I'm telling you, I get goosebumps. I. Because I can, I can. I've been in that situation. Not. I didn't. I didn't hit a ball nearly as good as you, but I've been in that situation. The feeling of everybody watching you and just like, don't mess this up. Don't mess this up. But then to just nut it right there, dude. Proud.

[A]

The only other thing that could have made this horribly wrong was once it.

[B]

Was like, oh, and I want beat out Michelle. We.

[A]

Yeah, but she's awesome.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Once it was like, okay, I want it. I'm sorry. I'm starting to walk out to get the belt. And Connolly, who was more jacked up than me, bro, he takes a running star and pushes me from behind to get out there. And I almost face planted, like, I had to catch my balance. He pushed me. So it's on video. He pushed me so hard my neck whipped back. Like he would have ruined my moment because I would have just face planted on the.

[B]

Yeah, you would have hurt your back for sure.

[A]

But man, the JA rule thing, I. You gotta wonder. You probably gotta think 50 Cent's gonna want to weigh in on that shot, right? I mean, at some point I just.

[B]

Think next year or Jeter's just gonna have. You gotta. You gotta like, you could literally kill somebody doing that, dude. Like, you could literally kill them. So you gotta. You gotta eliminate the, the, the, the people on the side. Put everyone in the back or wear some type of helmet.

[A]

Most nerve wracking for sure. But I still say the, the sickest thing. And I actually told this story to Jeter and Connolly. The sickest thing I ever seen anyone do is you play in that hockey game without, without being like, yeah, I played hockey for like 10 years as a kid. That's still the sick. That's the sicko thing of the year I've ever seen anyone do.

[B]

Yeah, that took a lot of balls. And looking back. Looking back, it took a lot of balls. Yeah.

[A]

The whole time.

[B]

Just remember, I just started. I just remember sitting back there, and by the way, I'm like, six nine in skates, dude. So, like, it's like, yeah, I'm sitting back there. I'm just like. And I skate like, I'm like, I can skate. Okay. Like, I can hold my own skating, right?

[A]

Sure.

[B]

I'm. I'm playing against Theo Fleury. Mark Messier and PK Suban were on the. The line in front of me. I was like, Theo Flurry, I grew up watching when he played for the Calgary Flames. Mark Messier, top two or three players of all time. PK Suban is one of the greatest defensemans of all time and still young. I'm like, what am I doing out here, dude?

[A]

I had one where it's like, what, did your team not tell you? Hey, Matt, maybe you shouldn't do well?

[B]

I was not the worst skater on my team. It was. It was. Gosh, I can't remember his name. He was the worst. He was way worse than me. So that. That got me through it because I'm like, oh, I'm not that bad. I'm actually like, well, I look okay.

[A]

They all trolled me the whole time, too, because you got the invite to the Jeter, hopefully you can make it next year. But they were like, where's. Where's Leiner? We invited them. I'm like, oh, he couldn't come this year. And they're like, oh, we really could have used them this year. The who was like, we really could have used math to hear this year. Like, they were pretending like they were super let down. So you have to come next year.

[B]

Could have used me for what?

[A]

I don't know. I think they were just trying.

[B]

They need some football presence there.

[A]

They do need a little football presence there. So.

[B]

But I'm a. I'm a baseball player at heart, so that would have. I love that. Are you kidding? I love all those guys. I grew up watching all those guys.

[A]

I mean, my. My defining moment, because I'm a 90s Yankees kid. My opening practice round was. It was me and Connolly paired with Tino Martinez and Bernie frickin Williams, bro. And if you. That's like Yankee porn. If you're a 90s Yankee, that's straight up Tina Martinez.

[B]

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[B]

My dad.

[A]

Your dad. That's it.

[B]

I feel like I don't have very many left with him. So I'm like, pop, what do you want? He wanted a. He wanted. And he's gonna listen to this. He already knows. He wanted a custom pool stick because he loves playing pool. So I was like, hell, yeah. I'm gonna get you a pool stick. What you want. You want your name engraved on it? What do you want, Dodgers colors? He's like, no, just give me a. Just give me a nice.

[A]

No, no, just get me a good pool stick.

[B]

Yeah, I think. I think it gets. I. I don't know when that stopped. I mean, other than, like, my wife and I aren't doing gifts for each other this year. We kind of just said, hey, let's not. Let's take a little trip, because we need a trip by ourselves. Let's take a little trip after the holiday, like, a little weekender up to, you know, like, Napa or wine country or just, like, go relax. But, like, it. The.

[A]

The.

[B]

It hasn't. I don't. I'm a bit. I'm a. I get so much free swag, dude. So I just. I'll just stuff a bunch of bags with, like, the hoodies, like, re.

[A]

Gifter.

[B]

And I just re gift, dude. Or I just give it to people because they like it. They appreciate it. But, yeah, dude, we don't really do that.

[A]

Like, when did you and your brother stop? Like, I. Early on. Like, 18 years old, and I used to get my brother.

[B]

Like, we still kind of do, like.

[A]

Something, but, like, at some point, I just looked him in the face and I said, I. I'm not a good gift giver. I like giving gifts. I'm not like, just tell me what you want. I want to guess and get you something that you don't want at all. I'd rather get you something you want. And at some point, I remember being, like, 19 years old. I'm like, anthony, I'm not getting you any birthday gifts or Christmas gifts. It's over. If there's something I see that I think you should have, I'll get it for whatever. It's over. I don't need this pressure.

[B]

So, you know. You know what the problem has become and is as your family, like, family. And I don't know if. I don't know if, like, I know you guys have your. Your crew in Cleveland, and there's a lot of kids, because you always see that. But, like, it has become now that we give gifts to all our friends kids, because. And I'm like. And I'm like, when did we start giving presents to all our best friends? 19 kids they have. They all. Like, there's 47 kids. And, like, we have to, like, all my nieces and nephews, which, again, it's fine. All my nieces and nephews Get a gift. Our best friends. Kids gets gift. This adds up to, like, 15 or 20 gifts we're giving to the kids now and again. Christmas is all about that. But I'm like, when. When did we go into, like, the friend circle of giving each other gifts? Can't we just hang out? Like, what? Like, let's go hang out on Christmas Day. Go to the park. Let's, like, you know, play in the backyard.

[A]

You know, I mean, I know Brie will always send me these, like, Instagram reels about, like, here's, like, who the dad shops for. And it's like, wife. And then here's who the mom shops for. Kids, dad. Like, true, But I just wouldn't get everybody. It's not that I don't want to do that, but I think you go too far. I always send back. I'm like, well, stop getting everyone gifts and see what happens.

[B]

I had this conversation with the wife this week. Someone told her that they give, you know, you give the kids teacher a present, like a little gift card.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Okay, that's. And which is great.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Tradition. It's been around forever, and they deserve it. But now we're giving the PE Teacher, the music teacher.

[A]

Oh, you're branching out.

[B]

The, like, the librarian. Yeah. The front desk, everybody. And I'm like, at. I'm like. And again, I feel bad saying that because, like, everyone is great. But, like, at what point does it end? Like, where do you stop?

[A]

I don't know. You might keep going. At some point, there's gonna be a scholarship in your name.

[B]

What are we doing? What is. What is the worst Christmas tradition that you are a part of that you maybe grew up having? Maybe do it now for the Ferrara family?

[A]

Well, you know, I grew up Italian Catholic, right. So for me, I'll go back to childhood, and I think we both probably have the same. As an adult, and I'll clear the floor for you on that one. But childhood growing up, you know, and this is more like a religious thing, so I'm not trying to hate on the religious aspect, but you do the Feast of the Seven Seas, right? It's this big, giant fish salad that is like, oh, it's calamari. It's squid. It's all. It's. It's. It's.

[B]

That sounds great.

[A]

And like, my grandparents, like my mom, the. They love it.

[B]

And it's.

[A]

It's not just.

[B]

It just get a spaghetti.

[A]

The Italians go. Then they have the fish sauce after that. And, oh, my brother and I, we don't eat Fish at all. Like, no form of fish. Cooked, uncooked, nothing. So, you know, everyone thinks, like, Christmas. Oh, all the food for my brother. And I like, my Aunt Celeste, who would host, would always make me, like, some mozzarella sticks and, like, chicken. A little chicken parm. She order out separate. Because there would just be this giant bowl of every kind of thing from the sea you could ever see. So for me, I know there's religious things behind it, so I'm not saying, like, I hate.

[B]

No, I get it.

[A]

Get rid of it. But it's always my hardest, worst part of Christmas.

[B]

I can't even have a. Like, if I like sand, I like fish. Like, I can eat fish. Like, in a nice dinner. If. If any food from the sea touches my salad or touches another food item on my plate, I won't.

[A]

You're out. Yeah.

[B]

My wife is like, what the is wrong with you? If salmon, like a cooked nice salmon is just on my bed of lettuce, I can't eat the lettuce.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

It's disgusting.

[A]

I can't even, like, one time makes.

[B]

Me want to gag, dude.

[A]

One time, Brien. And she was. She wanted me to taste this, like, artichoke dip thing or whatever, so she put her fork in there and handed it to me. And I'm like, you just had that in your salmon. I'm not eating off before. I wouldn't even know.

[B]

You and I are the same.

[A]

Because she had some. What is. What's. What's yours. You could do present day or back in the day.

[B]

We didn't have a lot of Christmas traditions back in the day. Like, we had. You know, we had the family would come in, stay at our little house, which is awesome. Like, looking back, I want. I mean, you and I are going to agree on this. We've talked about it. But the elf on the shelf.

[A]

Talk about too much. Where does it end?

[B]

When did this little guy become a part of our lives? Like, when. When did this start?

[A]

I didn't have this as a kid. Did you?

[B]

I didn't have it either. No. I do want to say this. I do want to say this before I start talking on the elf, because it has. Christmas is magical for the kids. Right? That's what you try and make. And. And Josie does a great job because she tries to make everything grand and magical and the. And the memories, and I love it. It's the best part about Christmas in the month of this. This month. But the elf on the shelf, it's like. And the kids wake up now every Morning. Oh, by the way, dude, Ziggy, our elf came to New York, bro. Came to New York.

[A]

He brought him on the play. Ziggy was up. Ziggy was sitting on the tarmac for six hours.

[B]

Ziggy flew. Yeah, Ziggy. Ziggy was chilling down in the. Down in the. Under the.

[A]

So what do you do? You have to put them in like a glass jar, right, and touch them to ruin the Christmas magic?

[B]

Yeah, no, it, listen, it's just a lot and it's, it's just adds another layer to the magic of Christmas and I love that because the kids get excited and that's really what it's all about. It's not about me, it's not about my wife. But I just don't know at what point this little fucking Keebler elf became a huge part of our life. I'm. I'm genuinely. Now you send me, you always send me these DMS on Instagram and I. There's some real creative out there, dude. Like some of these people go all in, which I love seeing. That's just not us. And again. Well, I don't, I don't even. I don't do the elf.

[A]

So I got into it last year because we've only been. You know, my kids are young, so we don't. I think we only did. We did it for the first time last year and you know, great inspiration from Tick Tock and Instagram. But I guess my biggest. First of all, you're just straight up lying to your kids. Like, bottom line.

[B]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[A]

When you start doing the. Have you ever done the elf threat? We're pretty much lying, watching.

[B]

We. We pretty much lie to our kids about everything though, right?

[A]

Yeah. But have you ever done the elf threat? Like, James, stop that. The chippy's watching. Like, he's like some bouncer at a club.

[B]

Jerry. We, we. We lie to our kids every day of their lives.

[A]

I.

[B]

We threaten them with. We threaten, you're not going to get a treat later. Like, really? Okay, you need to go to your room or else you're not gonna be able to watch tv.

[A]

And we both know you're gonna watch tv. Yeah.

[B]

And Casey, by the way, my six year old who's like, like Bobby Boucher from freaking Waterboy looks at me and he just looks at me with like, like, he, like, he. My son is this, this is my son really quick. He is the. He is the kid and he will be my teenager. That would be like, if I threaten him or like, you know, I'm like, hey, son. Or if I have my card on him, like, you want a spanking? Or whatever, he will look at me and he'll be like, do it, dad. Do it. I want to do it. I want to feel it. That's him, dude. Oh, you saw. You saw a little glimpse of him, dude, but that's him. He loves pain. He loves it. He was walking in New York at some point this weekend, dude, and he just starts going like that. He just starts. He just starts, like. Like, yeah, like hitting his head. Like he's getting ready to, like, tackle a freaking running back in a game. I'm like. I look at Josie, I'm like, what the is wrong with him?

[A]

Well, I did see it in my. With my own eyes when our four boys are on the beat. Now, my kids were a little shell shocked by yours in the sense. Like, they're physical. They wrestle, but like, Case, you know, so much bigger and stronger. At one point, all three kids are beating the. Out of Case, and I walk over boys.

[B]

Part of his day.

[A]

I was like, boys, come on, let's break it up. And Kason's like, they're fine.

[B]

Oh, dude.

[A]

He love. He loves.

[B]

He loves it.

[A]

He.

[B]

He loves pain, dude. He, like, it's. Honestly, it's. It's awesome because I just. I'll never question his toughness.

[A]

Well, some. Some people might say, oh, you got a football player. You might have either like a UFC kid or maybe.

[B]

Definitely not. Definitely not gonna have a UFC kid, because here's another funny story. We put them in taekwondo or no jiu jitsu, which is great for these kids. I don't know if the boys ever got a part of.

[A]

But, like, I'm starting them.

[B]

There's some great places right here, like the.

[A]

The Gracie Academies.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah. It's literally five minutes away. Yeah. And we tried it. And Cason is big and strong and tough and care, but he's not a fighter. He's not a. He rather take it. Like, he likes football. He likes that stuff. But, like, this little girl was in there, and, you know, they get paired up. This was. He was four and. And. And he's so big. They get paired up and this little girl is just work numb the holds and all this. And he's just sitting there and like, standing there like, like, what do I do, dad? And the instructor was like, no, you can, like, push her back. Like, like, you know, you do all this stuff, like grapple and all these things. And he just. He doesn't have that instinct if, like, if someone hits him at school, he's gonna.

[C]

He.

[B]

He's. He might cry. He's gonna. He's not gonna care, but he's not. He'll probably just go tell the teacher instead of my. Our rule, obviously, our rule is, like, if someone ever approaches you, put hands on you, you have our permission to. You have our permission to hit them back.

[A]

Always.

[B]

Cannon will do that in a heartbeat. He'll actually start it. He's going to be the instigator. But anyway, no. So, yeah, he's not. He's not going to be in the ufc, but he's going to be. I told. I told Josie this weekend. I said, babe, I'm sorry, but we are going to have. We're going to have a linebacker. He also is a catcher in baseball. He's just tough dude. He's just like. He loves that, man. It's hilarious.

[A]

Well, maybe that's why he doesn't fight back, because he knows, like, I could probably hurt this kid, Right?

[B]

Yeah. He has these outbursts where it's, like, kind of scary. Like.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

We're like, oh, God, I don't want to get hit by that fist. And he's only five.

[A]

Well, I was going to put this one, too, on my worst tradition list, but, you know, I have another way of working this in. But for me, is there shopping easier or worse with Amazon and all that stuff? Like, I'm very clear on this.

[B]

It's. Well, here's the thing. It's definitely easier. It's definitely easier. Now you gotta do all the boxes on that. There is something about that I miss, and it's kind of like the. The whole thing of, like, you miss kind of going to the movie theater to go watch a movie, right? The popcorn, the Coke, like, to sit in the theater and go out, right? That was like a rite of passage, like, whatever. I took my boys to the mall the other day. Just say, like, because I wanted. I wanted to walk them all, dude, I don't think. I think I bought a couple things, but, like, I wanted to actually go shopping for Christmas. So, like, it's definitely easier, and we do it 95 of the time. But there's something about, like, back in the day, like, meeting your boys or going, hey, I want to go.

[A]

Perfume smell.

[B]

Yeah. Going to get my girlfriend, like, a cubic zirconium freaking necklace from Claire's or some, like, going into the mall and go shop for it. Like, like, you know, you accomplish something. You got. You're productive. You got out there. I do miss that, so I do do that every once in a while. But I mean, yeah, dude, Amazon. Oh.

[A]

But that's kind of one of my worst. Like, I, I loved going to the mall as a kid. Like Staten Island Mall used to go and like, see, Wuang was a hang. It was incredible. But I did not like going to get a gift for the girlfriend at like teenage years. Like, I, I just like, I don't know, I have no idea what to get you. And like jewelry. I, I think every girlfriend when I was like a teenager and even like early 20s has probably returned any gift I've ever gotten them because it was just. I'm never going or just has never worn it or done anything. Took years for me to, to get good at that. So I don't, I miss the mall, but I don't miss going to buy a gift for like some teenage girl I didn't even know.

[B]

No. Yeah, I agree.

[A]

Okay. Do you remember? Well, no, you got.

[B]

I'm say, do you get, Are you getting. Do you get the wife gifts this year?

[A]

We always say, let's not, let's focus on the kids and similarly, like, let's take a trip or like a good date. Like, let's make them. Let's have an experience instead of a material.

[B]

That's what it's all about. But I, I think, I think. Sorry. I think life is like, I see all these things pop up and I think this is great for parents to hear and like, we get, you know, we get the toys and all that stuff, but, but creating experiences like my wife created this weekend. It was fantastic. And it's a lot. Right? But you, when you create the experiences, those are things that your kids will remember forever. They will remember the ice skating at Rockefeller. They will remember the late night ice cream at, you know, Serendipity. They will remember where Josie stood in line for two hours in the freezing cold just to get to be 10th in line.

[A]

That's a mom right there.

[B]

Yeah, it was. Yeah, it was, it was just goat. Right? And so like that, that's the thing. It's like now you got to get the toys and all that. But that's what life should be about for the kids because they'll remember it, man.

[A]

Yeah. Like, I remember the first, the first gift I ever got, Brie. Like when we were dating for like a year or two, I think I got, I got her Chicago ones. I got her Jordans. Chicago ones. I got her grape fives because she was in like a Jordan kick for a minute and I got her lingerie. I literally got her sneakers and lingerie. Yeah, well, this is. This is 15 years ago, buddy.

[B]

What type of what?

[A]

I went into that store. There's a store in la. I guess it's still there. I don't know if people go, Victoria's secret agent provocateur, right? And I walk into this place and I don't know what got into me because she didn't ask for lingerie. And I'm not that kind of guy. Like, I got you some stuff. Sexy laundry. That's not what I do, bro. But I was. I guess I was trying to impress early on that, like, whatever. I walk into the store and there's like, these three really attractive women. They're like, hi. And there's lingerie everywhere. And immediately I walk in and I'm just like, I get something for my girlfriend. They're like, have a seat. Would you like some scotch?

[B]

You were, like, nervous being in there.

[A]

Pour me a glass of scotch in the store the moment I walked in. And I chug it. I think they know dudes walk in and are insanely intimidated and nervous. They. They basically got me drunk and I just bought a bunch of lingerie that she ended up liking. But good for you. I went for years with, like, being a terrible gift giver. Now, Matt, if she mentions something in passing and hopefully she's not listening, but even in, like, July, if she's like, oh, you know, I really need. I need a new pair of on clouds. But I go buy it and I hire. You just hide, because I won't remember. I won't. I won't be like, oh, this is my Christmas shopping week. I won't. I just buy. Buy it and I put it away. And then I just got to remember that I bought it for her, so hopefully she's not listening.

[B]

What? So the. Your wor. The wor. Elf on the shelf. I know we both agree. Do you have another tradition that you guys.

[A]

Fish salad was the worst. And for me, it was. I was putting in, like, buying. And also, like, the real tree stuff. Like, I'll get back to putting up a real tree one day when the boys could. Yeah, when the boys could help, bro. I married a girl from the Midwest. You know, she wanted me.

[B]

Yeah, you go come tree down like Paul Bunyan.

[A]

Physically cut the tree down. Like, I never. I never cut a tree. I've never even cut wood, really, before I failed wood shop.

[B]

What are you.

[A]

What are we doing, dude?

[B]

You.

[A]

You were. You were.

[B]

Yeah, you were smoking weed at 18. You weren't freaking. You weren't.

[A]

You weren't cutting trees. Christmas tree in like a parking lot on the corner. Like, you're going to buy weed. You'd go get. See the tree guy and. And you'd walk home with a little Christmas tree. That's how you bought a Christmas tree back in the day. So that was it for me on that. All right, let's hit a few more and then we're going to do our Wendy's read. Because I'm pretty excited for the Wendy's. What, what we're going to discuss on that. Christmas officially the best sports day of the year. Has it hit best or is it working its way up? Because now we got a full NFL slate.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And obviously the NBA is own Christmas forever. And I think maybe they're both kind of staring at each other like, whoa, can we share this day?

[B]

I'm, I'm, I, I'm trying to think here. So we have Cowboys, commanders, Lions, Vikings, Broncos, Chiefs. Not, not really great games.

[A]

The Chiefs not being in it. It hurts the slate for sure.

[B]

Lions, Vikings is, is meaningful. I think the Vikings are still technically in at this point, whatever.

[A]

And they want McCarthy just to play. Well, I think get some momentum.

[B]

When you think of sports on holidays, like Thanksgiving, it's really just Thanksgiving. Right. It's like, people love Thanksgiving because you get football all day. You just get to lay around. It's. It's, it's like a. It's an easy. You're just lazy. Right. It's an excuse to be like, Christmas is such a great day because you had NBA basketball. You just throw some games on in the background. Usually it's one of our teams, Right. Lakers or someone.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Or a big market. Right. Like, you always had a good game on. But now with the success of football last year on Netflix, like, that was, Remember that was a big thing. It's like, is this crash. Is it going to crash? Because everybody's watching. It was amazing. Like, it was great. And so like, then there's like, well, football surpassed. It doesn't matter. Both can coexist on that day. It's the. It as far as, like the greatest sports day. Like, there's, there's events and all that, but, like, it's got to be up there, dude. It's top two or three. I'm trying to think of, like, you.

[A]

Got like Equinox, right? When you got like, Super Bowl Sunday day.

[B]

Super Bowl Sunday is a great day. Right. Like, it's one game, but it's a great day. It's like you have a party, you're laying on your couch. It's just an excuse to be lazy and not move. But man, Christmas with the kids playing to the toys in the background. You're having a nice glass of wine or a couple beers and you're watching a little NFL and you switch over to the NBA and you watch your Knicks take down somebody sticking thumbs and asses and like, like you can like. I'm sorry, you know, I just came.

[A]

Yeah, dude.

[B]

I think it surpasses the best sporting sport watching day of the year.

[A]

One of my best traditions that I sell used to have long before kids and before breed to a degree. I'd always go LA to New York for Christmas. I only spent one Christmas in la. I had no family out there. So I always said I'm always going home to New York for Christmas, Christmas Eve. Like we were Christmas Eve family back in the day or Christmas Day family. We were Christmas Eve because Christmas Day all my cousins on my mom's side would then go to their dad's. My mom had sisters would go to their dad's side. My dad had passed. So Christmas Day was kind of just like a wash. We didn't really do much. So once I in the entourage years and I started going to a lot of bad Knicks games. Knicks always play on Christmas. So I'd always fly home for Christmas Eve. And then Christmas Day. I went to six years in a row where I went to the Knicks game on Christmas day. And I will say, Matt, I know regular season basketball. We may discuss that in a second. A Christmas Day game is. There is a at being. There is an added special element. Everyone's happy to be there and like everyone's on a Christmas break and there's no school and maybe there's no work for a lot of people. So it's a really cool environment to go to an NBA Christmas game. I gotta say, I think we were.

[B]

We're a Christmas Day family. I mean Eve is nice. We're kind of mix and match. Like growing up we went to church on Christmas Eve again. All my relatives that would fly in across the country would stay with us. And then Christmas Day was just the day with the kids. Now like we do Christmas morning home and then we kind of rotate a munch the families around, like, oh, go to my cousins or my brothers or something. So I think we're hosting this year so we'll have a full day of Christmas, which is fun. So they come over, we play games, watch that the kids play in the backyard. So I, I like Eve because we've last couple years we've gone to friends houses locally here. And that's the best thing about where we live. It's just everything is just so like a small community. So like, let's go. There's parties.

[A]

You can still go outside.

[B]

Yeah, and you can still go outside, so. But Christmas.

[A]

Have you ever had a game fall on Christmas Day, like college or. No one on college, you would have been done. But any NFL games ever fall on Christmas Eve or Christmas, Thanksgiving? Right?

[B]

Yeah, a couple times in Houston. Never on Christmas. The thing is, when I was in college, we were always in bowl season and we were always like getting ready. So like, I never really had a Christmas. I didn't have like a traditional Christmas like you have growing up. Obviously you're in cut. Like, I never. Oh, I'm going back home for Christmas now. Like, I was practicing, you know, or I was getting ready for the Rose bowl, like, or the national championship was always that week. So we would always leave like right after Christmas or the day before because you're out in the place for about a week. So it is, it is special though, dude. Christmas is. I think it's my favorite holiday for sure because of just especially having little kids. I think it's. It's. It's right up there. I. I'm a big Halloween person too. I know some people aren't, but.

[A]

Yeah, but man, let me tell you, there was nothing better than being a kid and getting that video game you were hoping you would get. And then you're off, dude, for like seven days from school, your boys come over. All I do now, literally half of my Instagram show, I just watch NHL 94 clips on Instagram.

[B]

I'm the greatest. Oh, on the Mount Rushmore video games.

[A]

The.

[B]

Not to get like all serious and sentimental.

[A]

Let's do it.

[B]

But you know, Christmas and so like for you and I, we're in a. We're in a position where like, you know, like, our families, like, you work hard, you have a nice home, you can get them pretty, like pretty much what they anything.

[A]

Very fortunate.

[B]

Yeah, very fortunate. Right. But when you look back and you get that Nintendo 64 or you get that Sega Genesis or you get what. Whatever. It was like, like the Xbox was a big one. I think I was like, as a teenager, right. And like, we didn't. We grew up very middle class, like, just like whatever. And wondering how my mom and dad, like, thinking they had to save up probably or like budget it, right? You have to budget those things because, like, dude, the Xbox was a couple hundred bucks back then is a lot of money, man. Like, so that always, like, makes me feel like, why I love Christmas because of all of, like, how we grew up, right? When you grow up with no money and you grow up, like. Like all those things, like, you just appreciate that. So it makes you think, like, that's why. Like, that's why I'm all about the experiences and creating the core memories around the holidays.

[A]

You just. You just brought up a memory that, for me, that I could literally cry telling this story. Right. But we grew up similar, if anything. We were maybe like, lower to middle class. Like my mom.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Crossing guard. She worked her ass off. Single mom, right? We, like, we had food, we had shelter, we had clothes. We. But, you know, I wasn't walking around in Jordans, and I didn't have a car waiting for me when I turned 18, all that stuff. So I think I was probably, like, 13, 14. Talk about a throwback. This is like, starter jackets are at their height now at this point, right? Their height to the point now where we had, like, the og, like, Raiders zip up and all that. And now we're into the pullover. Cute quarter zip one, right? And I love. I still say to this day, no, no sport has done expansion better than hockey. Like the Sharks. The Lightning. The Sharks back in the day.

[B]

The Sharks, Yeah.

[A]

Just ridiculous. So I wanted. I remember going to, like, the sporting goods store, and they had the starter section. This is, like, in November, and it was my birthday in November. I'm like, mom, I really want that San Jose Sharks pull over. Like, it's all I want. Back in the day, it didn't matter. You're a Ranger fan. You could wear the Shark because it was dope.

[B]

Because you just look cool, Mom.

[A]

That's all I want. It could be my birthday and my Christmas present. She's like, jerry, I'm sorry. Like, we truly can't afford it. It's like a 200 jacket or like 180s. Like, can't afford it. I don't have the money. We leave. Never. I don't bring it up again. And on Christmas, I open up a present, and she got me the jacket. And I remember going there, and I'm going, mom, oh. And, you know, credit cards were around, but she didn't have. She used to be able to go put things on layaway, if you remember. Layaway, where you make, like, a deal with the store. Hey, I'll pay you off. I'll maybe pay You a little interest. It's basically like a credit card directly with the store. And you gotta, like, kind of know she put the San Jose Sharks jacket on layaway. Paid that off over the course of a year. Wow. And I still have the jacket in, like, storage. I'll never get rid of it.

[B]

No.

[A]

And I mean, you know, it's amazing, dude. And the thing is, the jacket's great. The memory of what my mom did.

[B]

And you're talking about it 40 years later, 35 years later.

[A]

Yeah, I guess that's a good way. I literally could cry. I guess that's a good way. Merry Christmas, everyone. We'll wish you Merry Christmas next week, too, because we do have an episode next week, and we do have Annie Agar coming up to close out the show. Before we do, we got one more thing to talk about, and we're gonna. We're gonna tie it in with our good friends over at Wendy's. You know, we do fresh take of the week, and you could also join Team Tendies and enjoy a lineup like never before. Crispy, juicy Tendies now at Wendy's. Bro, by the time this airs, I mean, I think people still be talking about it. My Knicks won the NBA M or whatever cup it is. I don't even know what it's called. And, bro, you and I, we're, like, in a Twitter fight. We're doing a show right now and we're crying over Christmas memories. And while all the time, you and I are.

[B]

I just love. I just love. I just love poking. I just love.

[A]

Such a ball breaker.

[B]

But look, hold on, dude, real quick, real quick. Let me just. Let me just say something for you. Get in there. When you. When you go on Google and you type in New York Knicks titles, the New York Snick. The New York knicks have won two NBA championships in 1970 and 1973, led by legends like Walt Frazier and Willis Reed. They also recently won the inaugural NBA cup in 2025, a separate tournament, making their first trophy in over 50 years. Though it's distinct from an NBA Finals title, it is literally online.

[A]

I do like that they put a distinction.

[B]

Dumbest, by the way.

[A]

I'm not asking for that. So here. Here's. Here's the way I look at all this, okay? I enjoyed watching that game. I was at the sports book at the Grand Hyatt here in Baja Mar with a bunch of Knicks fans at time of our life. And by the way, Sportsbook was packed. People, like, left the party like, hey, let's go watch the end of the Knicks game. It was a draw. No one's watching. Knicks, spurs if it's not the NBA cup. It brought a few people to watch. So number one. But I thought that's a great win. It's a lot of fun. No means do I think it should be a banner. I think it's actually ridiculous your Lakers hung a banner. I think they got pressured from the NBA. So I give the Lakers a.

[B]

By the way, I, I agree too.

[A]

Right?

[B]

It's terrible. It's right up there next to Taylor Swift's banner.

[A]

But I don't like. So I'm not saying like, oh, the Knicks won a championship. I don't feel any better about the Knicks cheating championship. My, my entire Knicks fandom. Like I don't feel any sense of accomplishment. Right? But there's no reason why not. The Knicks should not celebrate that win because those games were intense. That was playoff level intensity. And here's the thing about Knicks fans. We would be celebrating if that wasn't a Knicks, if that wasn't a cup, if that was just a road win in December versus the Spurs. And in an intense game we would be online being like, oh, we beat the spurs, we beat what we'd be celebrating anyway. So I don't see the big deal about like it's going to be 24 hours.

[B]

Our boy, our, our good friend Charles Barkley says the NBA cup is embarrassing. I'm disappointed that we have to make an inseason tournament to make these guys more money. This is a joke, okay?

[A]

I love Charles and certainly he could speak to it at a different level. But from the fan perspective, I, I think it's way more nuanced than let's get these guys some money. Okay? Why are they doing it? Because the regular season games at some.

[B]

Point starts because the NBA ratings are down and no one, no one's watching.

[A]

The regular season has felt too long and there's load management things and all that. And I think that's a much bigger nuanced conversation because yes, there is load management, but we also have 27 year olds blowing out their Achilles at record number. So I'm not saying I'm a fan of load management because I'm not. But I also don't like when 27 year olds in the peak of their powers are blowing out their Achilles.

[B]

Basketball's been around a hundred years. Load management wasn't a thing in the 90s, early 2000s because I think this.

[A]

Is not medically proven. But I don't think Michael Jordan played four AAU games a year for 10 years before he got to college. I think that these guys are playing and you could speak to this probably more than I can too. Your kid played AAU ball. It's like, I, I feel like they're tearing all this because they're playing one sport. They're finding their sport that they're majoring in, and they're playing like hundreds upon hundreds of games before they even like, get into high school. So it started this chain reaction. And look, I hate load management as well. I, Kevin Garnett says it best you get paid for 82. Yeah, pay. Play your 82.

[B]

People talk about people saving money. People save money. That's the part. I think Kobe had a great quote about it. Like, people will save a year, pay 500 to go see their favorite player play. That's, that's what, that's what players owe the fans. You're making $20 million a year. I get it, dude. I played, I played professional. I understand the, the impact it has on a body. I totally understand. But like, no, I get, I'm with you.

[A]

And I want my most proudest thing I could say about the Knicks for the last five years since Tibbs came in, and now even with Mike Brown, they play hard, bro. There's not a whole lot of load management. They play every game hard. You know what Tibbs does to teams? He has guys playing 40 minutes in January. So I don't feel bad about it, but what I don't love is, all right, I'm, I don't think the Knicks said, hey, let's do a big trophy presentation, okay, so we could clown it a little bit. That's an NBA thing. And I, well, they just need to.

[B]

Get rid of that dude. That, that, that's what makes it like escalate into this. Why are they celebrating? But they are, they're on a stage.

[A]

About is like Tyrese Maxey tweeted, like, this is some high level basketball you're watching and that's a high level dude. And say what you want. We've all somehow gotten to a place where the regular season feels less important and less anything. Those games, all the cup games from most of the teams were taken very, very seriously.

[B]

Well, because some of the, because, because some of these guys are making money, that's good money for them. Because how I, I, I, I don't see any other incentive. Like, who cares?

[A]

They made 500 grand. Like, Jalen Brunson and Josh Hard are donating the money to the staff. They're giving the Money to the staff.

[B]

They don't need it. But the last 10 guys on the bench could use that.

[C]

Right.

[A]

But to your point, always too, like is Tyler Kolik trying extra hard because he wants.

[B]

My point is for his career. My point is are these guys should be playing hard every night.

[A]

That's my point.

[B]

It shouldn't be. It shouldn't be high level basketball. Yeah, go play high. High level basketball for 82 games. Yeah. You're going to miss a couple games here and there. Yeah. You're going to be tired. Like I get it. NBA playoffs are high level basketball because that's when it counts the regular season. It just, it's just that's why it's so hard for people to watch the NBA during the regular season.

[A]

When you get like and that with.

[B]

All the rules and it's such a. They're so soft now.

[A]

Like when you get Chris Russo and like and Stephen A. Knicks shouldn't be celebrate like who cares that they're celebrating like the. They won important game to them. Okay.

[B]

The biggest problem is the fouls. And I and I and the threes and I love basketball. I played it. I'm not like a, like, you know, I'm not like an NBA analyst.

[A]

Right.

[B]

But like when I watch sga, who's fantastic.

[A]

Talk about baiting the foul baiting.

[B]

And the fact that these refs like James Harded had it for years. Right. Like the fact that these refs let that it's like it just makes it unwatchable because it's like, come on, bro. Like, like come on. Like what are we doing? And SGA is great. Like, but that dude, that dude, I mean he could like you breathe on him. It's a foul. So it's like why do people want to watch that?

[A]

I just want to say terrible. As we close out our Wendy segment. Thank you for letting us talk about this. And I'm going to look in the camera a little bit and to all my friends who are NBA media and sports media guys like Chris Russo, all this. Okay. You're saying you don't want to. Don't celebrate it and it doesn't mean anything. This NBA cup doesn't mean anything. I bet you if it was Nick's Thunder it would have meant something. And the Thunder were trying to.

[B]

It doesn't get you any closer to an NBA championship. But no, here doesn't mean.

[A]

I agree completely. As far as an NBA championship, it means nothing. I agree. But if the Knicks I'm talking about just for media, sports media guys saying oh, it means nothing. Who cares? It's for money. Who cares if the Knicks lose to the Spurs? Every single talking head sports show is waking up going, the Knicks can't win a championship unless they trade for Giannis, and they need to get Giannis because they. Look what the spurs just did to them in the NBA Cup. Could you imagine what the Thunder would do to them?

[C]

Well, that's because.

[B]

Because. That's because all your New York media friends are just out of their mind.

[A]

It's not even new. What I'm saying is don't say it doesn't matter. And then, like, hedge. It's just a hedge. Because if the Knicks lost, they just would have talked about how unprepared the Knicks are and how an unserious championship contender they are. So can't have it both ways, is my point. Pick a lane and go for it.

[B]

Oh, man, I love that. Good for them.

[A]

I love that. You watched a little cup action. You saw Josh give Brunson.

[B]

Yeah, I saw. I saw. I saw your boy Josh Hart give him a little thumb action up the.

[A]

I mean, I know that's locker room fun and all that.

[B]

It actually made me laugh because I could just picture, like, how many times I've slapped a dude on the ass in locker room. Just, you know, you just mess around.

[A]

And I've never had anyone do that to me. But I did have. I'm here. Anthony Anderson's at this event. I was talking to him and he reminded me of something. He did a cameo on Entourage. And if you go look at his cameo, when he walks away, for some reason, I have tears in my eyes. Like, I was laughing on one of the takes. Messing around. We finished the take. He's like, hey, Turtle, see you later. And he goes, wax me in the balls, bro. He almost dropped me. And that's the take they kept. That's in the show.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Not him whacking me. Me crying, walking away like someone just stole my breath. All right, thank you, Wendy's. We are going to bring on Annie Agar. Hit our twisted tea. Trivia came in hot today. Me and Maddie solo.

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[A]

All right. Joining us as she does each and every week, Annie Agar, courtesy of Twisted Tea. Grab a refreshing Twisted Tea today and you. You got a road game today.

[C]

I'm on the road, guys.

[A]

I don't know why.

[C]

Hopefully I don't perform as bad as the Giants when I'm.

[B]

I don't know why. I'm just picturing you like in like the parking lot of Costco.

[C]

Even better. Bass Pro Shops there.

[B]

You're even better. I don't know. I mean, Costco is my favorite place.

[A]

Basketball.

[C]

Pretty amazing.

[B]

Like Disneyland for adults.

[C]

Yeah. And when you get all the free samples, like, you walk around and oh.

[A]

Yeah, I'm trying to avoid the Costco Stuff as long as my wife mentioned. Yeah. Did you join Costco? I'm like, no.

[B]

Why haven't you joined Costco?

[A]

Because I don't wanna. Do you actually go there or you get like, I don't want to set foot in a Costco for the rest of my life, dude.

[B]

The kids run around. It's like, Costco, close hit, dude. When you turn 40, bro, they're like.

[A]

Then you gotta bring a U Haul truck to bring all your stuff home. Because you have.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

They give you boxes.

[B]

They're a little stingy on the boxes. The one by me now, which kind of is upset. I'm like, it's.

[C]

It's just carry all this stuff, this bulk stuff by myself.

[A]

Well, before we get to some amazing twisted T trivia, we'll see how. Annie, the road game is today. I got a few things I wanted to hit up today. Number one, we should, like, nod our heads, take a moment of silence for the Kansas City Chiefs. Right? Like, awful way to end it. We're gonna get there, but awful way to end it. Like, an awful. For my bank account as well. I just keep betting on the Chiefs, and they were finding ways to lose, but that was one of the most. I just felt sad after it happened. Like, it just felt sad. I didn't want to see, like, you're watching, like, a great warrior don't fall on his sword, you know, I kind.

[B]

Of feel like they're the one dynasty that, like, I. I just. I had. It's hard for me to dislike them because Mahomes a great dude. It's like, I love Kelsey. I love Andy Reid. It was just. I wouldn't mind seeing them stay on top and keep doing it.

[A]

Right.

[B]

Like, you have some of those dynasties before where maybe people, like, didn't like the. The Patriots because Bill Belichick was kind of an asshole. All this stuff. Like, you've respected Brady, but, like, it was hard to dislike the Chiefs, in my opinion. So it is kind of a bummer, man. But. And then you know Mahomes. I know you will. The. The Mahomes kind of going out like that. Probably Kelsey's last run. Like, it. It's. Yeah, it's a bummer for sure.

[C]

That's the thing. We'll never see that Chiefs team the way they were. Whether Andy Reid's gone or Travis Kelsey retires. Like, it. Or Mahomes isn't back to his normal self, which. Pray to God that doesn't happen, because one of the best to ever do.

[B]

It, but be fine.

[A]

Well, it makes you put Brady in perspective, too, because, like, Mahomes and Brady at this point in their careers are at the very exact same place. Rings, appearances, maybe Mahomes has more appearances. But then the knee, then the big knee injury. So, like, Brady then goes on to win four more Super Bowls and all, like, so, you know, the amount of.

[C]

Patriots fans, though, that have said, hey, that was week one. Like, we didn't lose the playoffs like the Chiefs did. And then Brady went down.

[B]

You know, who took his place?

[A]

Who took Matt Castle? And they went like 11.

[B]

They went 11. They went 11 and 5.

[A]

11 and 5 and didn't make the playoffs.

[B]

They beat us and they beat us. And then that's the year we went to the Super Bowl.

[A]

That's why the other thing, the other thing. And sorry about Micah Parson, that. That's like, these injuries are. I mean, they're always been bad in the NFL, but now it just. As you get down to the playoff time, it's just. It's getting worse. Like, worse and worse. And then I was also thinking, we. I. I always ask you guys, who do you think has the best MVP odds? It's like, was it Josh Allen the whole time? Just like we thought it was in the beginning of the season? Because dude is like, right there now.

[C]

It depends on how they. How they value the MVP role. Because mvp, he's literally. He is the mvp. That team would not. Would be maybe four wins without him. Like, he is. He is the entire offense. He and James Cook. But if you're in terms of, like, stats and obviously everybody's looking at Stafford and everything, but in terms of who brings the most value to their team, it's gotta be Josh Allen.

[B]

I agree.

[A]

He definitely.

[B]

I think Stafford's gonna win it, though.

[C]

I think so, too.

[B]

Stafford's numbers are ridiculous, and he's doing it at 39 years old, 38 years old, and they're arguably the best team in the NFL. But Josh. Josh Allen is like, for him to have no receivers, James Cook is great. The offensive line is spotty. The defense is spotty. And for him to be able to carry a team like this in the National Football League is absolutely ridiculous. And you look at the playoff picture. Burrows out, Mahomes is out. Lamar is. Are they officially eliminated? I'm not sure, but they're right there. Like, this is his window to win the super bowl. Because if you don't, like, you got all these young, like, Bo Nicks got all these young kind of studs coming up. Dude, I'm Telling you, this is it. This is the year they gotta win.

[A]

Do you think, though, for the first time in a while, like, obviously the NFL's not nervous about anything. It's still the best product and best sport in America for sure. But this could be the first year. Be like, oh, my God, is it gonna be. Is it gonna be Chiefs? I mean, not Jaguars, Seahawks in this. In the Super Bowl. Like, we could get a really weird super bowl this year.

[B]

What now? Is it on Fox? Is it on my network?

[A]

I don't know. I don't know. If you want.

[B]

I'll tell you what. They. They care about who's in the Super Bowl. That's all I know.

[A]

It's Texas.

[B]

It's not on Fox. Cbs. It's probably CBS then, right? Yeah.

[C]

It could very well be the Texans. Dude, that'd be crazy, wouldn't it?

[A]

Yeah. This could be the first really weird one. All right.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Before we get to twisted trivia, I have a case to make about something that not many people are talking about.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

And I think when you actually break down the case, it. It's a real case and should be heard. So I'm going to ask you guys a question off the top of your heads. Who do you think are. Give me a few players you think are in the top 10 for Offensive Player of the Year, not MVP. Offensive Player of the year.

[C]

Puka up there.

[A]

He's about fourth.

[B]

Jonathan Taylor, Taylor, Jackson, Smith, and Jigba. Heavy favorite right now, the quarterbacks.

[C]

Oh, yeah, I forgot he's his number.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Stafford, Drake, May.

[A]

JSN is a heavy favorite. Jonathan Taylor, 2. CMAC, and Puka and G and Gibbs tied at 3. And then you got Gibbs, Al. Somehow George Pickens is up there. I don't know what was going on there.

[B]

What's happening here, dude?

[A]

And look, I mean, jsn, you. It's. No one would be mad if he got it. He's having an unbelievable season. But why now? We always talk about the running back slander. Running backs don't get mvp and they usually are in the running for this. Now it has become a receiver. Why are we not Talking about Trey McBride for Offensive Player of the year? Dude is leading the league in catches. He got 105 catches.

[B]

Because he plays for the Arizona Cardinals.

[A]

Exactly. They have no other offensive weapon. And somehow he. He has more touchdowns than JSN. He has more touchdowns.

[B]

That's because he gets 20 targets a game.

[C]

We had a trivia question that, oh.

[B]

He'S a great player. Yeah.

[C]

And. And you Throw in like forever to get there.

[A]

JSN has three fumbles. No fumbles for Trey McBride. Like, why is he not. He's not even in that top 10 of offensive player of the year betting odds.

[B]

Because they're 4 and 9, 4 and 10. And when they're down. When you're down multiple touchdowns every game, all you do is throw the football.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

So he's.

[C]

I was gonna say no.

[B]

I don't want to take it away from him. Go ahead, Annie.

[C]

Would they give it to a team that's. That's already eliminated from the play? Like, because you said Miles Garrett going.

[A]

To win defensive player of the year.

[B]

Boom.

[A]

I just won the argument. Miles Garrett's going to walk away with defensive.

[B]

Yeah, but getting. But getting sacks. And that is a lot harder than catching 15 balls a game when you're getting targeted 30 times.

[A]

Yeah, no, but I'm saying it's not like Trey McBride versus Miles Garrett. Miles Garrett's going to walk away with defensive player there. Deserves it. And his team is trash.

[C]

Interesting.

[B]

I don't.

[A]

I don't.

[B]

I don't. Yeah, and I wouldn't. McBride's great. This isn't like a thing on him. I think he's a fantastic player. But. Yeah, I mean, I don't think that's a. I don't think that's a hot take. I think you're wrong, completely wrong on that.

[A]

That he should be getting some real considerate. I'm not saying he's necessarily. Yeah, I think he should be getting.

[B]

Consideration, but he's on a terrible team. When you're always down and you're just getting tons and tons and tons of targets like it does, it doesn't feel like you're impacting the game the way a Miles Garrett is impacted. Miles Garrett is like a mic apart. You can single handedly impact the game and keep your game, keep your team in a game by sacking, by. By affecting the line of scrimmage.

[A]

It's just different. Well, one more counter, Annie, and Matt is all right. Puka is lining up next to Devonte. He's got Stafford throwing him the ball. Jonathan Taylor, you can still make the case where he's falling off. Cmac. That's a loaded offense. Jsn. I mean, you can't say tons of weapons, but Darnold's ridiculous. I don't know. I think what Trey McBride is doing is unbelievable. And he's still got four games left, so we might see a crazy season anyway. I just think that that's not one person anyone's talking about.

[C]

You might be the only one to bring up his name this week. So I'm, I'm glad.

[B]

By the way. I love it. He's a, he's a baller.

[A]

Trey McBride Island. And the last thing Matt. And then we'll get to do some trivia. And Annie, I don't know what you feel about it. Fantasy football is. It's still undefeated is the worst thing going. I lost the, I lost the Jason Myers in the Bears defense. Straight up lost to those two players really, really quick.

[B]

He's got the second most targets in the NFL. Dude. He's got the first Jamar Chase.

[A]

I mean, wouldn't you want to talk.

[B]

He's literally got the second most target. I mean. Yeah. I'm just saying.

[A]

I don't know. I think he deserves, I think he deserves to be in the top three for the conversation. If you could talk about Miles Gary. All right.

[B]

I disagree.

[A]

And yeah, Matt, you're never gonna change my mind. Fantasy is just the word. And do you even play fantasy or no?

[C]

I usually do, but this year we couldn't because we had a it was either betting or fantasy deal and we went with the betting one.

[A]

So I didn't play this smart, which.

[C]

Was good because I gave my therapist still a break. Fantasy. Oh, makes me so mad. You just can't.

[B]

Maybe if I lived in a state where you could bet I would do that.

[A]

I think that's what your problem is, Matt. I think chalk one up for.

[B]

It's definitely not, bro. It's definitely not. I love fantasy football.

[C]

Yeah. When we were talk the pros and cons of living on the east coast or the west coast, that's a pro.

[A]

That's all we got.

[C]

We get sports betting, so we're just.

[A]

Let's. Should we do a little twisted trivia? I, I, you know, we, we dismantled the argument on Odell Beckham. Matt got it in about 1 seconds before. A win is a win.

[C]

Win is a win.

[A]

Take my loss.

[B]

You just, you take your losses. So, like, I literally told you when we were doing it live, I beat you. I, I said it before you, and you were like, so gung ho. I'm like, bro, the film doesn't lie. It just doesn't lie.

[A]

I understand.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

We can move part of the show, yell at each other. Who was.

[B]

The fact that you understand is great.

[A]

But when it wasn't like you were a full second ahead, it was like zero.

[C]

Just saying it was very close.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Thank you. I wasn't like far Off.

[C]

But you could tell there was one person talked before the other for, like, a split second. I just couldn't tell who.

[A]

Wow. E2, Annie. E2. All right, sorry. Matt's up. Matt is 11. 3 and 1 in trivia, and he has 40 total questions. Right. I have 26. 7 questions. Right.

[B]

That's the number one seed right there. That's the number one seed in the AFC.

[A]

I'm about to go. Like, I'm about to go. Cinderella, James Madison for our boy Joel Clat. Let's go.

[C]

Matt's going to get offensive player of the year in this.

[A]

Yeah, he's going to get offensive player.

[B]

Jerry's getting cut for sure.

[A]

All right, let's go. Let's go.

[C]

All right, these are. These are more like current questions that are.

[B]

Come on, Jerry. I'm actually.

[A]

This year, Jerry, I'm rooting for.

[B]

I'm rooting for you. I'm not even going to say anything because I want you to win.

[A]

Matt, let's not do the thing, bro. Okay.

[C]

All right, first question. Who is second in the NFL in sacks this season? Second in the NFL in sacks?

[B]

Nick Bonito.

[C]

Nope. Good guess, though. He was leading for a while.

[B]

Garrett's one, so.

[C]

Yep.

[B]

Someone surprised.

[C]

This guy's probably, like, 10 sacks lesser, but.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Is it Will Anderson?

[C]

Nope. Let me know if you want to hit.

[B]

It's not Will Anderson. Bonito or Miles Garrett. Yeah. We need a hint. We both guessed.

[C]

It's close to home for Jerry Burns. Yep. Brian Burns.

[A]

Oh, my God. How the hell did I not know.

[B]

That I was gonna say him first?

[A]

Because I stopped watching Giants games four weeks ago. Is why I haven't watched Giants game in, like. Come on.

[B]

Dude.

[A]

I've ignored this part.

[C]

Neither is Joe Shane, so, you know. Okay, number two, who is second in the NFL in rushing yards this season?

[A]

James Cook.

[B]

Say James Cook.

[C]

That was a good one.

[B]

I just saw that the other day. Because he's on my fantasy team.

[A]

If I have to listen to my nephew one more time tell me James Cook is the best running back in football. It's the only reason why I knew that. This guy's a homer. He is electric.

[C]

Okay, number three, who is second in the NFL in receiving yards this season?

[A]

It's not Trey McBride.

[B]

Puka Nukua.

[C]

Yes, it is. Puka.

[A]

Well done. You guys killed on this one.

[B]

He's also on two of my fantasy leagues.

[C]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

Jackson, Smith, and Jigma's one, right? Nuku is two. Yeah.

[A]

Yep.

[C]

Okay, we have two pictures. You have to name this Player. All right, picture number one, Dragon. Oh, my God.

[A]

Jerry, I swear to you, it's a lag. It's a lag because I said it like a second for you.

[B]

Call everybody. I mean, that's not even close, bro.

[C]

Spot on to me. Yes. Drake May.

[A]

Another video review. That's great for this program.

[B]

That's easy. I won that one for sure.

[C]

Okay, next picture. Who is this player?

[A]

Will Levis.

[C]

No, wait. What did Matt say?

[B]

I said, bo Nix.

[C]

I said, damn it.

[A]

Why did I say Will Levis?

[B]

Bro, that was just an ass.

[C]

They do kind of look alike.

[A]

Will Levis. I don't know. Yeah, it popped into my head.

[C]

Dude, that's Bonix.

[A]

God.

[B]

Dude, honestly, I'm starting to feel bad.

[A]

Is that it? Just those two. I'm glad it's over. I'm glad that one is over.

[B]

Yeah. That wasn't your best showing.

[A]

I'm gonna make a prediction, though. I got the tie break this week for sure.

[B]

I get. I would. I'll bet. I'll bet you $1,000 you didn't get.

[A]

Then it's the Bohemian Wi Fi. I'm on. Because I could not have said it any faster. And it's not humanly, by the way.

[B]

We had the same conversation last. Same thing, dude.

[A]

All right, well, Annie, thank you very much. Safe travels.

[C]

Thank you, guys.

[B]

Hey, what do you get in Bass Pro Shops?

[A]

Bye.

[B]

Bye.

[C]

Anything and everything. I. That place is like, talk about an adult playground. That's my favorite place. Yeah, and the one here is like a. It's massive. It's like a. It's Outdoor World and Bass Pro Shops combined.

[B]

Oh, have you ever seen that video where the guy jumps in, like, the big fish tank and he's swimming like.

[C]

Yes.

[B]

In the.

[C]

Yes.

[B]

Freaking. I think it was at a Bass Pro Shop.

[C]

I use that in one of my videos because.

[B]

Yeah, that's so good.

[C]

Naked. I said something about. I think it was Dennis Allen at the time. Didn't go for it or something. I said he had smaller balls than the guy in the bass. Brush up, Steve. We're back to balls. This is what we talked about, guys.

[B]

Do we see you coming up?

[A]

Are we. We leaving you alone for the holiday? Oh, we do. All right, we'll see you. We'll see you back next week for maybe a Christmas edition of Twisted Trivia. Who knows?

[C]

Love it. I will not be in my truck.

[A]

Then, so thank you very much, Annie. Drive safe. We'll see you next week.

[C]

Sounds good.

[A]

All right, Maddie, that's it for us. We got one more before 2025 comes to a close.

[B]

Yeah man. Big 25. Go back. Subscribe like everything Throwbacks. Follow us on Instagram at Throwback show. We appreciate all the love, dude. 2025, one more show. Brought me a baby girl completed. Our family 2026 is complete in your family, bro. We're almost there.

[A]

Some might say. I got my wife her present already.

[B]

Yeah, we talk about it. We'll talk about it next week before we close out the year, dude.

[A]

Because next week we'll talk about it and we'll do getting down a little.

[B]

Bit of our go time.

[A]

Freezing cold takes of 2025, which we did last year and it went over really well. So that episode will have freezing cold takes of 2025. Thanks for listening everybody. See you one more time in 2025.