The Triple Option and Throwbacks Live presented by Nissan | Day 1

Summary

Podcast Summary: Throwbacks with Matt Leinart & Jerry Ferrara
Episode: The Triple Option and Throwbacks Live presented by Nissan | Day 1
Release Date: April 24, 2025

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Introduction: Live from Green Bay

In this special crossover episode, Heisman Trophy winner Matt Leinart and Jerry Ferrara host "Throwbacks" alongside Mark Ingram from "The Triple Option." Broadcasting live from the Nissan Drafthouse outside the iconic Lambeau Field in Green Bay, Wisconsin, the trio dives into the excitement surrounding the 2025 NFL Draft. The event marks the first-ever live crossover between their two podcasts, promising an engaging discussion over the next two days.

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NFL Draft Insights and Predictions

Matt Leinart, Jerry Ferrara, and Mark Ingram delve deep into the dynamics of the upcoming NFL Draft, analyzing key prospects and team strategies.

Top Quarterback Prospects

1. Cam Ward

   • Mark Ingram posits Cam Ward as the leading candidate for the number one overall pick, highlighting his athleticism and leadership.
   • Quote: "Cam Ward is for sure has the highest ceiling of all these quarterbacks. He started at three different universities in college. He's a tremendous athlete, has all the physical traits." [33:25]

2. Shador Sanders

   • Jerry Ferrara emphasizes Shador Sanders' versatility, comparing him to legends like Joe Burrow and Patrick Mahomes.
   • Quote: "He can do it both ways. He could be one of the top five corners in the NFL and one of the top five receivers." [52:46]

3. Jackson Dart

   • Jerry Ferrara predicts Jackson Dart as a promising second-round pick, noting his performance at Ole Miss and potential for growth.
   • Quote: "I think Jackson Dart is going to go in the first round today... This guy reminds us of Joe Burrow." [40:43]

Running Backs Resurgence

The hosts discuss the renewed focus on running backs, citing standout performers like Ashton Gent and Saquon Barkley.

• Matt Leinart praises Ashton Gent for his versatility and impact on the field.

  • Quote: "Ashton Gent had 1900 yards after contact, more yards than I ran for my Heisman year." [15:54]

• Jerry Ferrara highlights the deep running back class, anticipating a high-quality selection in the early rounds.

  • Quote: "The running backs are making a comeback. They're an integral part of an offense." [16:48]

Team Strategies and Bold Predictions

Urban Meyer shares his perspectives on team strategies, advocating for accumulating multiple first-round picks if a single quarterback doesn’t meet expectations.

• Quote: "If it's not a generational quarterback, you're going to trade up and get five first-rounders to build your program." [18:19]

Mark Ingram and Jerry Ferrara offer bold predictions, including potential trades to secure top talents like Ashton Gent and Travis Hunter.

• Mark Ingram's Prediction: The Cleveland Browns will draft Travis Hunter and Shador Sanders, subsequently retiring their jerseys.
  • Quote: "The Cleveland Browns will walk away with Travis Hunter and Shador Sanders and then immediately retire both of their jerseys." [65:47]

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Personal Anecdotes and Experiences

The hosts share heartfelt stories from their careers, connecting personal experiences to the current draft landscape.

Matt Leinart’s Lambeau Field Memories

Matt Leinart recounts his first NFL game kickoff at Lambeau Field, highlighting memorable plays and the camaraderie within the team.

• Quote: "My first NFL game was the NFL kickoff right here in Lambeau, and they did win. It was a close game with a goal-line stand." [05:07]

Jerry Ferrara’s Connection to Green Bay

Jerry Ferrara reflects on his first visit to Green Bay, tying in personal milestones such as the birth of his son during a game against the Packers.

• Quote: "This is my first time back in 19 years, and it will always hold a special because my son was born that week." [07:56]

Urban Meyer’s Coaching Insights

Urban Meyer offers invaluable coaching perspectives, discussing the importance of draft strategies and the mental resilience required for rookie quarterbacks.

• Quote: "The mental side of the game is the hardest for rookie quarterbacks." [38:50]

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The Fullback Position: Evolution and Future

A significant portion of the discussion centers on the evolving role of the fullback in modern NFL offenses.

Rob Stone explains how the fullback position has transitioned from a lead blocker to a more versatile role, incorporating both blocking and receiving responsibilities.

• Quote: "It's no longer just a fullback; it's now called the blocking back with diverse responsibilities." [28:47]

Jerry Ferrara emphasizes the importance of the fullback in setting the tone for an offense, advocating for players who can contribute on special teams and perform multiple roles.

• Quote: "The fullback is as important as an offensive lineman, doing the dirty work to set the tone." [27:41]

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Audience Interaction and Fun Segments

Throughout the episode, the hosts engage with fun topics and playful banter, making the discussion lively and entertaining.

• Cheese Curds and Frosty Flavors: Reflecting their Green Bay location, the hosts humorously incorporate local culture, discussing cheese curds and Wendy's new Frosty flavors.

  • Quote: "We have some cheese curds. Who wants a New York Giants perspective? It doesn't matter because you're going to get it anyway." [49:17]

• Fan Questions: The trio answers listener questions, ranging from hypothetical scenarios involving non-professional players to memorable NFL hits.

  • Quote: "Hardest hit I ever took was from Cam Chancellor, a 6'4", 230-pound safety who just bulldozed through." [72:50]

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Conclusion: Looking Ahead to Day Two

As the episode wraps up, the hosts tease upcoming discussions, including deeper dives into quarterback prospects like Travis Hunter and the intriguing dynamics of the draft’s second day.

• Quote: "Travis Hunter brings two different positions, two sides of the ball. He's a fascinating talking point for this." [51:31]

The live broadcast concludes with a reminder of the next day's schedule and gratitude towards sponsors Nissan and Wendy's, ensuring listeners stay tuned for more insights and memorable moments.

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Notable Quotes

• Mark Ingram: "Cam Ward is for sure has the highest ceiling of all these quarterbacks." [33:25]
• Jerry Ferrara: "He's a unicorn. He really is, like we've never seen." [53:30]
• Matt Leinart: "When you're there in the room and you're still the only one, it's kind of like discouraging." [10:08]
• Urban Meyer: "If it's not a generational quarterback, you're going to trade up and get five first-rounders to build your program." [18:19]

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This episode offers a comprehensive exploration of the 2025 NFL Draft, enriched with personal stories, expert analysis, and lively interactions. Whether you're a die-hard football fan or new to the sport, Matt Leinart, Jerry Ferrara, and Mark Ingram provide valuable insights and entertaining commentary that capture the essence of the draft excitement in Green Bay.

Transcript

[Rob Stone]

Foreign.

[Mark Ingram]

Everybody. Thank you. We enjoyed that feedback. Good to have you here. Well, we got some Vikings fans running around here. We got a lot of Packers, Colts. Who's ready for this NFL draft, huh? Awesome. Hey, thank you all for joining us. We welcome you to the triple option and the throwbacks crossover presented by our great partners at Nissan. We are live from the drafthouse here in beautiful Green Bay. Iconic Lambeau Field right here behind us. Take adventure to new heights in the all new 2025 Nissan Armada. Head over to nissanusa.com armada to learn more. You see the Armada in the front yard of this beautiful house. Take a look at it. All right, so first time ever, guys. Our two podcasts are crossing over live. Triple option, throwbacks. We're here with you for the next two days. So come on back tomorrow as well. Plenty of food and beverage everywhere. Again, you can see this live on YouTube, on X, on Facebook. Just go to the triple option or the throwbacks handle. Again, my name is Rob Stone. Who's ready to meet the rest of the guests here? Right? We ready?

[Matt Leinart]

All right.

[Mark Ingram]

We're going to need a little bit better than that. Who's ready to meet our co host, huh? There we go, Green Bay. That's what we're talking about. All right, we got any Michigan football fans out there? All right, get ready to boo.

[Matt Leinart]

All right.

[Mark Ingram]

Well, let's see. Hold on. Oh.

[Matt Leinart]

All right.

[Mark Ingram]

I think Mission is going to win this one. He is. Let's go, Badgers.

[Urban Meyer]

There we go.

[Mark Ingram]

Play to the home crowd, Rob. Play to the home crowd. You should know better than that. He is a three time national champion head coach. He has sent multiple first round picks to the NFL and he is a 2025 College Football hall of Fame inductee. He is the Urban Meyer. Give me the oh, coach. Give him the oh, there's a few. There you go. There we go, Urban Meyer. All right, hold on, Luke. Fickle heat coming in.

[Urban Meyer]

You just gave me one of those.

[Mark Ingram]

It's, it's. I thought we were in the Midwest. I thought this is like everybody's come together with cheese curds and beer and love and hugs. All right, we'll talk about that after the show. All right, let's bring on our second co host. He is a national champion from the University of Alabama. He is a Heisman trophy winner, a first round pick, a former pro bowler. He is Deuce Deuce Mark Ingram ii. What's up, baby? All right. Man. He smells as good as he looks. Everybody, just so you know that it's. It's the truth. Show them the zippers on the back of the pants. Don't understand. This is the Midwest look, right? The Midwest approves of this. I don't know what the hell he's doing either. I don't get it either. All right, this man goes by many names. He's got a ton of talents. He is an actor, he is a writer, he is a producer, he is a director, he's a gopher, he is a production assistant. He does it all. You might know him as Joe Proctor. Maybe you know him better as Turtle. He is a New York sports super fan. He is also the proud recipient of. Of a recent colonoscopy, and he's happy to tell you all about it in great detail. He is Jerry Ferrara. You're welcome. Welcome. How to get that in? All right, one more. One more to go. You guys ready? We already have one Heisman Trophy winner. We already have two national champs. We're going to add to both of it. So a Heisman Trophy winner from the University of Southern California. Fight on. He is a former All American. He is a college football hall of Famer. So here at the Nissan Drafthouse, with the 10th overall pick, we select from USC, Matt Leinert. He's got the suit, people. Hold on.

[Urban Meyer]

The original.

[Mark Ingram]

The original hat.

[Rob Stone]

This is what we used to wear.

[Jerry Ferrara]

Back in the day in 2006. Mark, what do you think, Mark?

[Matt Leinart]

Like it? I like it.

[Mark Ingram]

Hold on. The camera's got us in. What do we do with this button? Midwest. Does anybody know who has four buttons anymore?

[Jerry Ferrara]

Nobody, right?

[Mark Ingram]

She is. She's spicy. She is spicy. All right.

[Deuce McAllister]

It's a good look.

[Jerry Ferrara]

It's really not a good look, but.

[Mark Ingram]

Set. Matthew, let's talk. All right, so here we are. Thank you. This is, like, more material. This. This could clothe my entire family. All right, here we are, iconic Lambeau Field. You guys know this place? Well, some of us have never been here before. For Jerry, coach and myself, this is our first time. But, Mark, you started your NFL career right there.

[Matt Leinart]

Yeah, I did. Yeah, I did, man. My first NFL game was the NFL kickoff. You know, the kickoff, whatever, on Thursday. And it was right here in Lambeau, man. And yes, they did win.

[Mark Ingram]

Yeah.

[Matt Leinart]

Yeah, they won. It was a close game. And we had a. We had a goal line. Standstoner. So it's four. It's like. It's like on the one yard line. Last play of the game, Right? And of course, we line everybody up. Coach, what did you say? We line everybody up.

[Urban Meyer]

22 people within three yards. Of the ball.

[Matt Leinart]

We line everybody up and their D line just torpedoes the O line. And then linebackers just jump over the top and I'm just get the ball and there's just AJ Green jersey just falling on me. So that was the dream start to my NFL career.

[Mark Ingram]

And do you remember 2017, though, as a saint?

[Matt Leinart]

Yeah, I. I tapped that ass that time.

[Mark Ingram]

Yeah.

[Matt Leinart]

And I did a lambo leap. I'm sorry, did you? I found the Saints fan. Did a lambo leap. Turned up in this. They weren't happy with me that day. And I had my career game against the Packers Sunday night. They was in New Orleans. Hung up 172 on them, a couple TDs, you know, hit the beanie Winnie on them in the end zone, you know, so. Man, but I love the packers, man. They. They fans always was.

[Mark Ingram]

How can you not?

[Matt Leinart]

Like, fans is always so respectable and kind.

[Mark Ingram]

Like, except for her. Except for that one right there.

[Matt Leinart]

Where.

[Jerry Ferrara]

Yeah, she's a troublemaker.

[Mark Ingram]

Security's got her eye.

[Matt Leinart]

Oh, we keep an eye on her.

[Urban Meyer]

Yeah.

[Mark Ingram]

Yeah.

[Urban Meyer]

Matthew, you threw the bomb right at me, right?

[Jerry Ferrara]

Yeah.

[Mark Ingram]

This is.

[Jerry Ferrara]

Green Bay has a special place in my heart. It's actually my first time back since 2006. So I was a rookie in Arizona, and we played Green Bay October, late October. My oldest son, who's now 18, was born that same week. So he was born, I think, on a Monday. Tuesday is an off day in the NFL. So I missed the first couple days of practice to go fly back home to LA to. To be there for the birth of my firstborn. And that week we were on the road in Green Bay playing against Brett Favre from the packers, who was one of my idols growing up as a quarterback. So we lost 31, 14, got our butts kicked. We weren't very good that year, but to play there, my family went. I threw a touchdown in that game. It was pretty cool. This is my first time back in 19 years, and it will always hold a special because my son was born that week, which was cool. And I got to play against my idol. So it's great to be back.

[Matt Leinart]

You just reminded me because my. My dad actually played with Brett Favre here. So I remember having, like, being a little dude, like, with a cheese head, like, watching my dad come in here in Lambeau and play with Brett Favre. And like, he used to tell me, like, he used to catch passes and his fingers would be all jacked up from Brett Favre.

[Jerry Ferrara]

But we also. I mean, we also. Green Bay came to Arizona A lot in the playoffs. I'm sure the packers fans remember those. The Rogers, the playoff games that we won. I think the. The year we went to the Super Bowl, Green Bay came to us. We beat them on a crazy game. They came to us a couple times in the playoffs, but only one time here in my career. But it's great to be back.

[Mark Ingram]

So real quick, the three of us, this is our first time here in Green Bay. First time looking at Lambeau, and, you know, there's just a handful, really, Jerry, of iconic sporting venues in this country. Madison Square Garden, certainly one of them for football. It's maybe Soldier Field, but it's definitely this place.

[Deuce McAllister]

Yeah. When we. When we pulled up here, we were even riding over together. And the minute we just saw the stadium, the sign. You just have to take a picture of it. Sadly for me, one of my fondest memories. I don't want to get booed here, but it's when Coach Coughlin's cheeks froze. Giants, packers to get to the street. Yeah, sorry. I know you can boo. It's fine. But it's really cool to be here, and what a great place to have the draft.

[Mark Ingram]

Agreed.

[Jerry Ferrara]

I mean, how excited are the. Are the fans for the draft to be here in Green Bay, Right? It's freaking awesome. It's so awesome.

[Mark Ingram]

Great show out in Detroit last year. Pittsburgh next year.

[Matt Leinart]

Did you see the Lambo flying in on airplane?

[Deuce McAllister]

I. I did not, no.

[Matt Leinart]

When you see it flying in, that's when you like. You like. Oh, yeah, that's sexy.

[Mark Ingram]

Coach, you've been in some iconic venues, for sure.

[Urban Meyer]

Yeah, I was. I was sitting next to Jerry. We walk in, I see Lambeau Field, But I'm old school. I remember Vince Lombardi, Bart Starr, and that was my m. That was my era. What were you doing when Vince labardi was coaching, huh? For Green Bay? What?

[Mark Ingram]

I remember the magic.

[Urban Meyer]

So I'm a big fan. Thanks for having us. And this is an iconic play. You know, it's really cool. This is the only place that a small market can still dominate the big market, and that's a great appreciation for so many people to watch.

[Mark Ingram]

Communities is certainly amazing and unique. All right, so here it is. It's draft day, right? 2025 draft. Mark your memories from when you were drafted in the first round by the Saints.

[Matt Leinart]

Man, I remember being in the green room for a lot longer than I had wanted to be. You know what I mean?

[Jerry Ferrara]

Me, too.

[Matt Leinart]

It's all relative, right? Like, you know, there's people who got drafted sixth, seventh, Round. But like when you're they there in New York in the green room and like the whole room is clearing out, you're still the only one basically, almost still in the room. It's kind of like discouraging, you know, I mean, humbling. So no, but I remember being there with all my loved ones, obviously with my mom, my sisters, my grandpa, my grandma. I had like Coach Saban was there. Even Julio got picked like number six and like he came back and sat with me. So I just remember being around people who loved me and supported me and obviously having the opportunity to go and achieve my dream of playing the NFL. So great day, great memories. But like I said earlier, like it, that's really the start. You know what I mean? Just because you get drafted doesn't mean you've made it. You still have to go prove yourself why they picked you in order to be able to go have a successful career in the NFL. So amazing blessings, great memories. I remember my suit, you know what I mean? I think my suit was a little.

[Jerry Ferrara]

Bit bigger than yours.

[Matt Leinart]

I look like a beach, I look like a bishop, you know, I mean like, like Deacon Jones, like, you know what I mean? Like all the suits a little bit more fitted now. Mine was baggy back then, but yeah, I was clean though. I was iced out. Had the iced out watch, you know, I was fresh.

[Mark Ingram]

So you're still iced out.

[Jerry Ferrara]

I was gonna say that.

[Mark Ingram]

Extra iced out.

[Matt Leinart]

Just the quality is a little better. You know what I mean?

[Mark Ingram]

Coach, your memories with Jacksonville and what draft day was for you as a head coach.

[Urban Meyer]

Not great memories, getting our ass kicked in, but oh snap, I've been on both sides.

[Jerry Ferrara]

Let it all out, coach.

[Urban Meyer]

Just let it all out of the draft. Watching our college guys lives get changed. And I remember the one year I think we had five or six guys going the first round, but when we. It was a game change. It was a generational talent. I still believe he'll be a Hall of Famer someday. I know it's not. Sorry, but Trevor Lawrence was a no brainer. You look at every quality that you look for in a quarterback and it was, it was the same year Zach Wilson was coming. I think Trey Lance was coming out. We did our due diligence, we did our work, but that was a no brainer that we also had a pick late in the first and that was a lot of time spent. And that's where Jimmy Johnson put together. They still use it to this day, the draft value. And Matt and Mark, what you see is the top of the draft is the value is unbelievable, what you can get from that. And I'm curious what's going to happen this year because there's a lot of conversation about is the top of the draft that high for us? No brainer. Trevor Lawrence, take them. But then when you start getting in the back half of the first round, the valuation drops dramatically and you can get sometimes three players in that middle to late first round for that first pick.

[Matt Leinart]

Yeah.

[Urban Meyer]

So we picked Trevor Etienne, etn, and he was tremendous and he got hurt for our first year, but we spent more time on the back half the first round than the first pick.

[Mark Ingram]

Do you remember coach was watching video of Trevor Lawrence, your first stint on Big Noon Kickoff, and we were doing some demos of Lawrence and what he was doing on the collegiate level. And I could hear it in coach's voice, like, oh, man, this guy can run. Like you were loving his legs.

[Urban Meyer]

Yeah, he's a 46. What. What is he?

[Rob Stone]

Six.

[Urban Meyer]

Six. He's a four.

[Mark Ingram]

Four.

[Urban Meyer]

Four. He's a legit four.

[Mark Ingram]

Four.

[Urban Meyer]

He's under four or five. Great release, and I know it hasn't gone great, but he's still good. I still think once they get the surrounding cast and everything, he'll be a. He'll be an All Pro for a long time.

[Matt Leinart]

The situation you're in has so much to do with the success you have, you know.

[Mark Ingram]

So, Jerry, as a. As a New York guy, what does the draft mean to you? How does it resonate?

[Deuce McAllister]

Well, you know, I kind of speak on behalf of the fans where I think it's awesome to hear these stories because you're seeing young people get this amazing start in their career. But then as a fan, it's always the chance of hope. Right. Regardless of where your team is. You know, if you weren't in the super bowl or if you weren't even a playoff team, it's a sign of hope that one of these young players is going to come in and change the face of everything for a franchise that we love. So that's how I always looked at the draft. The draft means hope. Hope for the young guys coming in to have amazing careers and hope for the fans that that player will come in, like maybe, like maybe a great pass rusher at number three to change the. To change the future of the team.

[Mark Ingram]

So what do you guys think of the draft? Hitting the road, right? It used to always be a new city.

[Urban Meyer]

Roger Goodell. Now, I didn't realize this. I think New York kind of pushed him out as someone was Saying the other day at dinner, that's one of the greatest things to spread the wealth. I was at Ohio State the year after he won the title and it went to Chicago and that's the first time I saw hundreds of thousands of people for the draft. So I think it's been a great boom for. It's become a show.

[Mark Ingram]

It is. That's why we're here, right? We're here on the road. Mark, what's something that you're, you're really looking forward to tonight with the round one coming down?

[Matt Leinart]

Man, you know, I'm a running back man. So just, you know, I think Ashton, Jenny, man, just the season he had, it was unbelievable. You talk about the season he had the yards after contact, he had stone. He had 1900 yards after contact. Like that's a huge season for anybody. That's more yards than I ran for my Heisman year. Like, you know what I mean? So like when you put that in perspective and over 164 tackles he broke. So like just. I think he's going to translate great to the NFL. I think he can. Every down back who can run inside, run outside, catch the football, pick up pass protection, I saw him do it all when we, when we watched these games on film. So I love that the running back is having to reach resurgence. We saw what Saquon was able to do for, you know, the Eagles. Obviously Green Bay has a great runner and Josh Jacobs. So the running back is still, the running back is still, you know, position one, you know what I mean? Position eight, you feel me?

[Mark Ingram]

Why, why do you think teams got away from the running back? Why did the priority get, get less? I think they did.

[Jerry Ferrara]

I think the one, the one it was, I think it was the Todd Gurley deal. Todd Gurley got, who was great, got paid all that money that year, got hurt and then it was just like teams were like, why are we going to pay these guys 40, 50 million when. And then, then you started to see second, third round, fourth round draft picks have the same type of success. So it was. I'm so, I'm so pumped up because the running backs are making a comeback. They're the, they're integral part of an offense. And you, you see what Detroit's doing. Jameer Gibbs and Montgomery, you see Ashton Genti. Now this is the deepest running back class probably mark in a long time. But I think we're seeing a premium back on what Saquon did. Bijan Robinson was drafted in the top five, I think a couple of years ago. He's a star. So I'm fired up too to see. I think, I think someone might make a play for Genty in the top five. I'm not sure who that's going to be, but someone's going to maybe come up and get him.

[Matt Leinart]

Yes, sir.

[Jerry Ferrara]

I think, I think as far as the draft for me today, the obvious is just Shador Sanders in this quarter for what is kind of a quiet draft. As far as like there's not, I mean, I think we all assume Cam Ward's going number one, but outside of that, it's like there's not a ton of quarterbacks being talked about. That's what's dominated the draft. Even last year, six first round quarterbacks, which was a record. So I'm just, I'm, I think there's going to be a splash trade somewhere to trade up and get somebody. I think that's going to happen. I think we might see some movement from the second round. Coming back into the first and after the first two picks, that's wide open. It's, it's, it's. The Giants could be chalk. They could take maybe Abdul Carter, Travis Hunter, but if they don't and, and what happens with that pick could dictate the rest of the draft in the first round.

[Urban Meyer]

What I'm looking forward to, and this is, I really want the crowd to think about this, is that teams that pick early in the draft obviously are not very good. So one player a lot of times can't flip a organization right away on this. Jimmie Johnson, Shart and, and for the fans that don't know Jimmy Johnson, obviously great coach, super bowl winner at the Cowboys put together this chart years ago. NFL still uses it as we speak. So 3000 point value system for the first player picked. As you get to the bottom of the first round, it's 600. That means the GMs that use this and the head coaches and talk about trades, you could potentially get four first round draft picks by flipping the first pick or the second pick.

[Mark Ingram]

It's tempting. Why not?

[Urban Meyer]

If it's not. If it's Trevor Lawrence. No, don't do it. He's a generational if I'm not. Is Cam Ward a generational? Is Carter a generational? Is Travis Hunter all these guys? If not, I'm trading it. I'm going to go get five first rounders to build my program organization because the one guy, if he's not a generational, it's not going to flip your team.

[Matt Leinart]

It's going to hurt.

[Urban Meyer]

Does that make sense.

[Matt Leinart]

It's going to hurt your team.

[Urban Meyer]

And that's the value system that I think people overlook. And this is, this sits on the desk of the GM on draft day. How cool is that? And you sit there and stare at it as you're going through the draft.

[Matt Leinart]

Inside info from Coach Meyer this morning.

[Mark Ingram]

I think we're going to see some moving and some shaking again. This is the triple option. This is the throwbacks coming together live from Green Bay, Wisconsin, right outside of. You see it right there, Lambeau Field here. Plenty more to come. We're here for about another hour and Change live on YouTube, live on X, live on Facebook. And coming up next, the crowd is going to like this one. We've got a Green Bay packer legend. We're going to let him tote the rock a little bit and join us here. The live presentation from Green Bay. Quick break. We'll be right back in a moment, my boy. If you are ready to take on the off road, there's only one ride built for the all new 2025 Nissan Armada.

[Jerry Ferrara]

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[Mark Ingram]

How many pounds? How many?

[Deuce McAllister]

500.

[Mark Ingram]

Feels like a lot.

[Jerry Ferrara]

Rob Stone, maybe you're hauling a jet ski up to lake house. Maybe you're bringing your boat to the beach. Maybe.

[Mark Ingram]

I used to have a boat ride.

[Jerry Ferrara]

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[Deuce McAllister]

Yeah, it's also got tons of space on the interior. I got a bunch of kids. So whether you're taking them to their 15 million activities or I'm a big golfer, throw four or five golf bags in the back seat. You got tons of room for it with the guys. Also twin turbo V6 engine, so it's good for whatever you really want to throw at it.

[Matt Leinart]

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[Urban Meyer]

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[Mark Ingram]

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[Jerry Ferrara]

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[Mark Ingram]

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[Jerry Ferrara]

Let's go.

[Mark Ingram]

Hey, man, we were all in it earlier today right there in the front yard. It's impressive, man. It swallowed. It swallowed us all.

[Jerry Ferrara]

I feel like we need to get a couple of those.

[Mark Ingram]

To the triple option and the throwback crossover presented by Nissan here right outside Lambeau Field. Who's ready to start? Not booing, but cooing. All right, we ready for this?

[Matt Leinart]

Are we ready for this?

[Urban Meyer]

Here we go.

[Mark Ingram]

Bringing in former Green Bay Pro bowl, former Green Bay super bowl champion, the pride of Shippensburg University. Let's go, Raiders. He is John Coon. Welcome, baby. Former teammate of Mark Ingram as well.

[Rob Stone]

What is up? This is awesome, man. The NFL draft being in Green Bay, it's something that when I came here in 2007, I never imagined we'd see this day. This was before Title Town. There was still a Kmart and a shop, little shopping center down there. And they. They built this immaculate Title Town, all with this vision in mind to have an NFL draft in this city, in this community, in this state. I can tell you what, I've been all around last night and this morning, and Wisconsin is showing up big at this draft. Showing up big.

[Mark Ingram]

Quick estimate, how many pounds of cheese curds have you digested through your career?

[Rob Stone]

I don't know. I don't know, Rob.

[Mark Ingram]

So good. That's so.

[Jerry Ferrara]

Put a number on it, Rob.

[Rob Stone]

Yeah. We don't count calories up here. Not at the fullback position.

[Matt Leinart]

Right.

[Rob Stone]

We weigh in, and if we make weight, then we good. That's all we.

[Mark Ingram]

I'm going to let these guys jump in a second, but I'm always fascinated by the culture in Green Bay. So as a player, you get drafted and you're dropped into a. A neighborhood, into a community. Like, where do These guys live, how do they acclimate? What do they do? Are they here year round? How, how does it work as a player for the Packers?

[Rob Stone]

You know, it's, it's like, it's like any other NFL city, except it's got its own little flavor here. Yeah, guys, you know, in every other NFL city, guys don't just live right by the stadium, right. So there's little communities outside, you know, Howard de Pierre that guys can go into. Young guys normally start off with, with apartment buildings before they upgrade into houses and start having families. But, but it's no different. And a lot of these guys, man, there's no better place to start your NFL career than in Green Bay, Wisconsin. You got a team and a city giving you every advantage to be successful. This facility is top end in the NFL. And then the number of distractions are limited. Although you can find them in Green Bay, you can still go out there and do some stuff, but distractions are limited and it's wholesome. These guys, listen, these fans are the best fans in professional sports. I believe it. Even though I played on a couple other teams and I love those fan bases. This group has a hundred thousand person wait list for season tickets. Find that somewhere else.

[Urban Meyer]

Hey, John, in this world of big markets, and this is enigma Green Bay, how in the world does this, does they change coaches, they change quarterbacks? They change and they win. They win, they win. Why? What is the secret sauce here in Green Bay?

[Rob Stone]

Well, honestly, I do. I just think it's one of those. Well, the quarterback part helps.

[Urban Meyer]

Yeah.

[Rob Stone]

When you go three in a row the way that the Green Bay packers did, it helps a lot. So we all know and we'll talk about some draft picks and quarterbacks. The most important position, when you go from a Brett Favre to an Aaron Rodgers to a Jordan Love, that helps a lot. But really what it is is when you walk in here the very first day as a player and it doesn't matter if you're drafted here, if you're traded here, if you come here as a free agent, you see the history that this place has. You see the demands that's put on you as a player and what is required of you. An excellent expected of you when you play here. And not just by this organization, but by these people, by the city, by the people and by the owners.

[Jerry Ferrara]

You. Oh, all right, he's working. We're back. Can you hear me? Can you hear me? Lambo leaps memories. Obviously had a great career here, played with some of the greats. What is your fondest memory as a Green Bay Packer.

[Matt Leinart]

Failed Lambo leap.

[Jerry Ferrara]

And also, yes, apparently he had a, he had a failed Lambeau leap that we want you to talk, we wanted to talk about the failed Lambo leap, but also just your fondest memory of being a Green Bay Packer.

[Rob Stone]

You know, winning, winning the super bowl is, is the best. It's the absolute best. Doing it against the team that cut me three years in a row in the Pittsburgh Steelers, that was even better. Yeah, yeah, that's more of a personal, you know, feel good. But I would say winning the George Hollis trophy in Chicago after the NFC Championship game, taking their previous owners trophy home with us and bringing it back to Lambeau Field to go to the super bowl, that was probably the sweetest because we had such a great team that year and Chicago was just in the thorn in our side with Erlacher and that great offense that they had down there. So beating them at their place to win the NFC championship probably. But we've had great success in Chicago. We really have. We won a game down there in 2013, fourth and eight from the 48 yard line with about 40 seconds left and, and we pulled an improbable Hail Mary to, to Randall Cobb to score a touchdown. So we've had a lot of success down there. But I would say the NFC championship is my favorite.

[Jerry Ferrara]

I, so I, I love this because you're a fullback man, an old school football I formation. You have a fullback. I played with Owen Schmidt, I played with some of the just crazy fullbacks and obviously you fit that mold and I have so much respect for you guys. Is what the fullback position now obviously offenses and everything has changed. What are your thoughts on that and what is just like kind of take the fans through just what it was like. Like you are literally lead blocking for guys. You don't get a lot of glory or grace, but you are as important as an offensive lineman. Talk a little bit about just the fullback position and where you think it's going to go. Maybe it's coming back, I don't know.

[Rob Stone]

Well, so when I first got in the NFL it was all lead and power, right? A little bit, a little bit of counter bim. But. But in all honesty, it evolved and it started going outside zone guys that could catch the passes in the flat, do the little belly thing and still lead block. You had to be able to play special teams at all times as well. And by the time I was done playing the linebacker sizes themselves have shrunk because they went from taking on ISOs and taking on powers to. To have it now cover people into space. So you had to change during my time. You had to change from really being that battering ram to having some finesse while still being physical. I don't think that's changed very much since then, other than the NFL has decided we're going to potentially eliminate a spot and we're going to call it the bb. And I see that in a lot of playbooks now. It's the bb. It's no longer a fullback. It's no longer a tight end. It's called the blocking back. And you know, Matt, just as good as anybody, you can line a full back up and there's an F in every position. Even if it's five wide, there's an F on that field. So the. The players are there. They just might not be called the fullback.

[Urban Meyer]

You come in on the work week on Monday, who's the top three or four defensive players in your career? Just when you can't really watch that film saying, damn, I got blocked, that dude.

[Rob Stone]

I would say Lance Briggs is number one.

[Jerry Ferrara]

He was a dog.

[Rob Stone]

Lance Briggs was so nasty. And him and Earl Ackert together, I think will go down to me as the greatest one two combo. Now, Navarro, Bowman and Pat Willis will have something to say about that because they were outstanding as well. But, man, those two down in Chicago were both great. The two I named in San Francisco were fantastic. Bobby Wagner, I got to play a lot against Bobby early in his career, and he's still doing the damn thing. Still doing the damn thing. So I would say some combination of those four or five guys that I just named are the ones that I come in and I go, this is. I'm gonna earn my money this week.

[Deuce McAllister]

All right? I gotta do it. I feel like you're the perfect person to ask, and I think in this scenario, we usually don't let the person use themselves, but I think you could use yourself here.

[Rob Stone]

Okay.

[Deuce McAllister]

Mount Rushmore fullbacks.

[Rob Stone]

Okay. Okay.

[Deuce McAllister]

And by the way, yours should be on there. So feel free to put yourself on there. We usually don't allow that.

[Mark Ingram]

But, you know, should he be on the list? Guys?

[Deuce McAllister]

So there you go. Three spots to fill.

[Rob Stone]

These guys are awesome. Well, I'll be honest, I know. Now, here's a quick question. Jim Brown and Jim Taylor were both listed as fullbacks. Do you guys consider them fullbacks?

[Jerry Ferrara]

No.

[Urban Meyer]

No.

[Rob Stone]

Anybody out there?

[Mark Ingram]

No.

[Rob Stone]

Okay, so we'll keep them out then. But I mean, hey, historically, and I know a lot of history, your List.

[Deuce McAllister]

You do how you do it, how you want. It's your list.

[Rob Stone]

I'll go all stop.

[Mark Ingram]

Yes, he listen. A train.

[Rob Stone]

There was a time. There was a time in the 90s when kids actually said, I want to play fullback because of Mike Allstot. So Mike allotted from Purdue. He learned in Purdue the bigger he looked. So Mike Allstot, number one there. Lorenzo Neal, because he's just. He's just an outstanding guy. 20 years at the fullback position. Are you kidding? Might have been 19, but he's. He's up there. Lorenzo Neil, I would have to do. And this. Some people may not remember this guy, Sam Gash. He was an absolute maniac. He was a maniac fullback when he was playing. And then, man, who else am I going to throw up there as a fourth one, You. You know what? Okay, okay.

[Jerry Ferrara]

All right.

[Rob Stone]

He named a good one, Tom Rathman. Here's one better for you. Larry Centers, because he's the first fullback to catch 100 passes in a season. When you talk about the position getting versatile and having to do different things, Larry S. Was the guy who made that happen.

[Mark Ingram]

I'm not trying to make light of a situation, but I'm curious. Is there a play in your career that you don't remember, but you hear about a lot as a fullback?

[Rob Stone]

No, luckily. Luckily, no. I. I did not have diagnosed concussions. I did have one ding down in Atlanta. We beat the brakes off of them in the 2010 playoffs. And my second touchdown in the game, I got hit on the side and things were kind of. Do you remember the knockout game that you used to have on PlayStation?

[Jerry Ferrara]

Oh, yeah.

[Rob Stone]

When you got knocked down, you had to make the two screws. Yeah, I had a little bit of that going on. Some smelling salts while I was on one knee. And then I got up and I came to the sideline. And back then the game was so cool. I just said to Doc McKenzie, you know, he said, okay, we're gonna check you out. And I said, just a stinger.

[Jerry Ferrara]

Just a stinger, Doc.

[Rob Stone]

And he goes, john, I know it's just a stinger, but we're up 28. You're probably going to sit the rest of this one out.

[Mark Ingram]

It's a good decision. Good decision on his part. Let's talk about the draft overall. Matty, I'm going to start with you. Is. Is Cam Ward locked and loaded at number one going to the Titans?

[Jerry Ferrara]

Yeah, I mean, I think so. It's such an interesting quarterback draft class compared to last year. Right. And six guys in the first round and all six of those because we saw Penix kind of late in the season. Takeover. All really good. Like all. All showed tons of promise. Going to have great careers. Probably this year it's a little bit different. I think Cam Ward is for sure has the highest ceiling of all these quarterbacks. He started at three different universities in college. He's a tremendous athlete, has all the physical traits. I think there's a big gap between 1 and 2 and 2, we might not know who that is. It could be Shador, it could be Jackson Dart. But I think the Titans and coach knows this. He just talked about it. You know, he picked Trevor Lawrence number one. I think when you, when you believe in a guy, you gotta. You're throwing all the money at. He's. You just. There's a belief and hopefully this is the guy that can change the organization in Tennessee. You know, they've missed on a couple quarterbacks recently. They need probably a lot more help too than getting that. But if they believe Cam Ward is the guy that can change the franchise, that's who they're going to pick today. I'd be shocked if they don't.

[Mark Ingram]

Unless they trade down and get some quantity.

[Jerry Ferrara]

Cam Ward to me is a big time prospect. That could, could be that guy.

[Deuce McAllister]

See, do we not think anything crazy is going to happen? Do we think it's going to go chalk and it's going to be. But you just got to look at it like there's quite a few teams that need help and players and a quarterback as well. So I think you might see other teams try to get into the first round.

[Urban Meyer]

I want to ask, is Cam Ward a generational talent? I know it's a simple question, very complicated. Because if he's not, you got to trade that pick away, man. You gotta get your team right. If. Is he a gen. It's not. It's a yes or no. Is he a generation?

[Jerry Ferrara]

I think all that matters. All that matters, Coach, is what those guys think in that room and making the pick. If they think he's a generational player, then that's who they're going to take. I mean, we've watched film. I mean, he's dynamic, he can run, he could throw. Yeah, but, but gosh, I mean, how many first round. I mean, gosh, I was one of them 15 years ago. But how many guys just don't ever make it to what you help as a number one draft pick? So to your question, the jury is out. But all that matters is what they believe in that room. And that's what we're hearing.

[Mark Ingram]

Mark, you interviewed Cam last season as part of Big Noon Kickoff. What were your takeaways from. From him as a. As a human being and as a talent?

[Matt Leinart]

I mean, I was extremely impressed with him, just what he had been able to go through. He had no stars coming out of high school. He took a. He went to Incarnate Word, then he goes to Wazoo, then he goes to Miami. So you see this progression of a guy who refuses to be denied, Right? And when you have a guy that has that kind of mindset and that kind of ability to overcome adversity, that's someone who you want leading your team, then you turn on the film. Miami probably wins four games if Ken Ward is not their quarterback. So I think he's a dynamic player. I think he has a good arm. I think he has a good mindset now, leadership and all that, being able to lead grown men in the locker room. That's to be seen. But I was. I came away extremely impressed with him. He's very rooted in his family. We saw him last night at dinner, had his whole family with him. So I came away extremely impressed when I was able to have that interview with him.

[Urban Meyer]

I want to ask John. John, were you part of a rebuild? And if you are. If.

[Rob Stone]

Yes, one time, 2016. Well, I guess you could say 2008 with Aaron Rodgers first year as a starting quarterback was somewhat of a rebuild, even though we had just gone to the NFC championship the year before with Brett Favre. So, yes, to some. To some extent, I was part of.

[Urban Meyer]

So would you. Would you. If you're sitting in that war room, would you be on a. Because I was. I'd rather take, once again, a generational talent. I'd rather get me four or five that I know are going to be starters and then, you know.

[Rob Stone]

Yep.

[Urban Meyer]

Projected guys that you can plug in and play. Because one guy, unless he's that good, is not going to flip it.

[Rob Stone]

It's not going to flip you to the top of the afc. Can it flip you to much better than what you were last year? Can it flip you to nine and eight? Can it flip you to the seventh seed in the playoffs? What I found in the NFL to be true is that an average quarterback gives you a chance of winning. Right. So you need a guy. He doesn't need to be, you know, per se, generational, to flip you from four wins to nine wins. I think an average quarterback and I think Cam Ward is better than an average quarterback.

[Mark Ingram]

How has Green Bay Been able to do it over the last couple quarterbacks in franchise history, not getting, you know, the top 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 pick, doing it late in the first round or somewhere else.

[Rob Stone]

They tell you, same thing with houses. Don't buy a house when you need a house. Right, because then you're going to be pressured into sports, spending some money on some stuff that you don't necessarily need when you buy, when you buy a quarterback, when you draft the quarterback before anybody even suspects you. People were looking in 2005 when Aaron got Rogers got drafted and saying, okay, well, he's, you know, probably seeing Aaron drop in the draft and probably never believe the pack. And then they were sitting there watching again. And people probably never imagined that the packers were going to trade up in 2020 to get Jordan Love. But you know what? They did it both times because they did their due diligence. They did believe that they were generational. They already had their plan for that season and maybe even other seasons going forward. And they said, this guy is the guy that we can build 15 years after the next two.

[Jerry Ferrara]

I mean, you played well. Rogers sat for what, four years, right? So he or three or four years behind Brett got to learn. And that was sort of kind of how it was with quarterbacks in that era. It's like you sat. You learned. I sat a little bit behind Kurt Warner. And then now we're seeing all these guys just get thrust into play right away, day one. What do you think? Because you've been in a million huddles, years and years of huddles and young quarterbacks, older quarterbacks. What is, what do you think is like the one thing, the hardest transition that you've seen? Because now these young guys are just getting forced into throw hands down, hands down.

[Rob Stone]

It's the mental side of this thing, right? It's the mental side of the game that's the hardest for the rookie quarterback. And I mean, Patrick Mahomes sat for 15 games behind Alex, 15 games behind Alex Smith. Josh Allen thrown right in there. And remember what we were saying about Josh Allen? 55% completion percentage, missing all the deep balls. All of a sudden you put him with Stefon Diggs. There's your deep ball connection. His timing started to get worked out, the rhythm started getting worked out. So I don't think it's a one size fits all for when to play the quarterback position. But I tell you what, you better be. You better have a guy who's smart if you're putting him in there at the beginning because if he can't take it mentally, the emotional side of this will get to these guys, too.

[Mark Ingram]

We're going to talk plenty more quarterbacks coming up in the next 40 minutes or so. He is. Who is he again, guys? John, thanks for joining us. Appreciate it so much. I have a feeling we're going to be hearing a lot more from you the coming months. We'll talk about that a little bit later. Here we are. The triple option, the throwback out there. There's one. There's an oh coming back.

[Jerry Ferrara]

We got a game.

[Mark Ingram]

The draft house presented by Nissan. The throwbacks, the triple option. Combining forces for this, we're going to talk about Travis Hunter and the NFL quarterback quandary that some of these programs are going through right now as we lead in to the first round of the NFL draft later today.

[Urban Meyer]

Quick break.

[Mark Ingram]

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[Deuce McAllister]

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[Deuce McAllister]

Get it quick.

[Rob Stone]

Get it.

[Matt Leinart]

You can't let the frosty melt. That's just a sin. You know what I mean? Like, we gotta make sure the frosty everything gotta get.

[Mark Ingram]

All right, it is time now for cool picks presented by Wendy's. Find your new favorite frosty flavor today with choices like brownie batter, brownie batter, strawberry and caramel swirl. All right, so we're going to talk about a potential draft pick or a theme that we think is going to be a cool pick later today. Matt, as our resident quarterback, we'll start with you and let's attack the QB situation.

[Jerry Ferrara]

It's. I just said, I just talked about a couple of minutes ago. I think it's a very intriguing class because it's not a deep quarterback class. I think you have Cam Ward and then there's a, there's a cluster of quarterbacks there that could go as as early as top 10 or into the second round. So something to keep an eye on is Jackson Dart. Jackson Dart out of ole Miss. Started three years at Ole Miss, was fantastic. There in the SEC, I was actually looking him up. Average about 500 yards rushing every year. Like he's a, he's a kid who could run the football. Dirt ball this. I actually believe he's going to be the second quarterback taken today in the draft. I think something either. We know the Giants Browns need a quarterback. Steelers need a quarterback. You could even see The Rams at 26 get a, get the next quarterback because Stafford might be done here in a year or two. Got a Rams fan right here. I think Jackson Dart is going to go in the first round today. Whether it's a trade to get up into the late first round or somewhere there maybe 21 with the Steelers.

[Urban Meyer]

So someone, someone in the coaching profession told me they compared him to Joe Burrow. Ish a little bit. The same mentality, toughness.

[Jerry Ferrara]

He's confident, he's tough. He's got a little swag to him. He can move. Like Joe Burrow is a good. I mean that's a good comp. Like he, he has that same type of body, same type of size. So keep an eye on Jackson.

[Matt Leinart]

Like, let's just like calm down a little bit. You know, you can't just throw.

[Jerry Ferrara]

We're just saying. He reminds us.

[Mark Ingram]

He went number one overall in 2020. You go over the last five NFL drafts.

[Matt Leinart]

Calm down.

[Mark Ingram]

19 quarterbacks have been taken in the first round. Of course, six were taken last year. Caleb Williams, Jaden Daniels, Drake May, Michael Panics, J.J. mcCarthy, Bonix, all in the top 12. So there was a quarterback that was run. Maddie, you and I were talking about quarterbacks yesterday as we're driving here and the over under on quarterbacks taken in the first round. It was. They always loved the hook. Three and a half, right?

[Jerry Ferrara]

I was ready. I was ready. I was ready to bet that two and a half.

[Deuce McAllister]

You went over then under. Now I think I'm back to under.

[Mark Ingram]

You're all.

[Matt Leinart]

Only two gets in the first round.

[Deuce McAllister]

Yeah.

[Matt Leinart]

No way.

[Mark Ingram]

I think five quarterbacks.

[Jerry Ferrara]

We're not doing bold predictions right now.

[Mark Ingram]

I'm just saying it could happen. It could happen. All right.

[Matt Leinart]

No way. Only two going first.

[Mark Ingram]

Quarterback is gonna be a fascinating situation. The Shador Sanders, everything but something you talked about. Mark, this is a draft that is deep at the running back spot.

[Matt Leinart]

Deep at the running back position. I, I think you, you're going to get a very high quality running back in rounds. End of round two, round three, round four. And like one guy who I think is not getting enough respect right now is my boy Cam Scoo. Guess who Cam Scatter.

[Mark Ingram]

Boo.

[Matt Leinart]

If you know football and you watch football, this dude is a guy who, he does the dirty work. We had John Kuhn up here. You talk about someone, he said that you're gonna have to be able to play special teams. This is a guy who can play special teams. He could run the ball, he catch the ball. He had over 2300 all purpose yards, over 600 yards receiving.

[Jerry Ferrara]

You know, so he ran all over Texas in the park.

[Matt Leinart]

Thr touchdown pass. So you talk about a versatile player, a versatile back who, who does the dirty work and who kind of sets the tone. You need a tone setter at the running back position. That's him.

[Mark Ingram]

That's a dude that a franchise and a fan base will move their arms around, right? Like they're, they're chanting coon, coon. Sc let's go. Which frosty did you pick?

[Matt Leinart]

Brownie batter.

[Mark Ingram]

You went with the brownie batter.

[Matt Leinart]

Brownie batter. My dog.

[Mark Ingram]

Man. That looks pretty good. That looks pretty good. Who wants a New York Giants perspective? It doesn't matter because you're going to get it anyways.

[Deuce McAllister]

I saw one Giants jersey out there. I saw a neighbor's jersey.

[Mark Ingram]

How do you think the Giants are going to handle this one?

[Deuce McAllister]

So kind of off Matt's point to me with the Giants like it, I think it has to be obviously Carter or whatever play. I think you have to leave with Carter and a QB in the first round. I think that has to be. I think you have to trade into that first round and kind of what coach was saying, like it needs to be generational and I agree with that. But I think you do in today's day need a lot of swings because I think it's the hardest thing to figure out. And we've seen some players emerge from late first round, mid first round. Russell Wilson, who's now on the Giants, who was he? Fourth round pick, you know Brady, Tom Brady, of course. You know Brock, seventh round. So like I think if you're the Giants, you need as many bites of the apple as possible. They might have nine quarterbacks in that quarterback room at one point.

[Mark Ingram]

Last. Last 15 drafts, Jerry. The last 15 NFL drafts, the New York Giants have only taken four quarterbacks.

[Jerry Ferrara]

Can you name them?

[Mark Ingram]

Think about that. I can.

[Jerry Ferrara]

No, no.

[Deuce McAllister]

Little trivia in the last how many years?

[Mark Ingram]

Last 15 drafts.

[Deuce McAllister]

15 drafts.

[Mark Ingram]

We'll start in 2013. A young man out of Syracuse.

[Deuce McAllister]

2013. Young man. Alice, you call yourself a Giant?

[Mark Ingram]

SC round four. 110 overall.

[Matt Leinart]

Massive.

[Mark Ingram]

Massive. Five games. Forgive me. Nine completions. All right. 2017, from Cal, Davis Webb, 387. Played one game for the Giants, two total in the NFL. You're seeing a track record. It's not going great. We go to 2018. I don't even know how to pronounce this guy's last name. Kyle Lavletta. Lavletta lavaletta from Richmond. Round, Round four. One games played, zero completions in one year.

[Deuce McAllister]

Great, guys. This makes me feel Great.

[Mark Ingram]

Okay, then 2019. I hope you can name this guy. Round one, number six.

[Deuce McAllister]

Yes.

[Mark Ingram]

Daniel Jones.

[Deuce McAllister]

Probably could have got him at 18.

[Jerry Ferrara]

Why don't you give the fans a little perspective on your thoughts on Daniel Jones. Jones.

[Deuce McAllister]

Listen, I stayed on the island, something.

[Jerry Ferrara]

We talked a lot about on throwbacks.

[Deuce McAllister]

I tried really hard, but now you know how that story ends. He's going to absolutely light it up at some point with the Minnesota. Just going to happen where he is currently. Yeah, he's going to.

[Mark Ingram]

How do you feel about your quarterback room right now with DeVito, Jamis Winston and Russell Wilson?

[Deuce McAllister]

I got the pleasure to hang out with Tommy DeVito at Super Bowl. I think he's a good guy to have around. Look, I really was excited, excited for the Jameis Winston experiment that was going on. I know Malik Neighbors was probably very excited because he might have had 1900 yards at receiver with James throwing it. Kind of to quote coach here, what are we doing?

[Mark Ingram]

What are we doing?

[Matt Leinart]

What are we doing?

[Mark Ingram]

What are we doing?

[Jerry Ferrara]

Coach?

[Mark Ingram]

Somebody that's not named Travis Hunter.

[Urban Meyer]

I like Mace. How about the Buckeye? Me? I got the Mason Graham. I. I'm going to say this, Mark. I think on day one, on day one, first game of the season next year, I think Mason Graham will be the most impactful draft pick in this draft. Playing him and possibly your guy, the tight end, Tyler Warren. Tyler Warren, a defensive tackle. My coaching history. Every Sunday I would come in, get ready to play the next team. I'm not watching the quarterback. I'm watching the opposing D line. If we can handle them, life's good. If we can't handle them, it could ruin your day. This is a bad week. That's a bad. So I think Mason Graham, what he did the Buckeyes last year in that game, we were there. He too gapped. He played with great leverage, great hands. He's a monster. I think he's NFL ready. I think he makes the most impact on the first game of the season in 2020.

[Jerry Ferrara]

He's a. He's a safe pick and he's going anywhere from five to like I saw him with five, which is crazy. He, whatever team drafts him is getting the hell.

[Mark Ingram]

He looks like a dude who's going to stay there for a decade plus and be a constant figure. By the way, what's your Wendy's Frosty flavor?

[Urban Meyer]

Oh, was it brownie? What do you call right here Brownie?

[Mark Ingram]

Caramel, man. Take a bite.

[Matt Leinart]

Well, I don't see y'all eating y'all frosties.

[Jerry Ferrara]

Why didn't. I don't have a spoon.

[Mark Ingram]

That's all right. I. I got, I got some spoons.

[Matt Leinart]

Hold on.

[Mark Ingram]

I get to make a pick too.

[Urban Meyer]

Cuz drink out of like he did.

[Mark Ingram]

He's drinking it like a milk. What do you got for Coach didn't go with a buckeye, so I'm going to go with the buckeye. Josh Simmons, right? 6, 5, 3. 17. He was high round one material before he got injured. Probably would have been the first offensive lineman taken. Had that patella injury in mid October. But he's got the measurables two years at San Diego State, two years at the Ohio State. Remember, has some experience at right tackle from his days as an Aztec. Moved over to the left tackle side. So he shows that he can be versatile. Right. And this is a guy that again, if he was healthy. You're going to look at the medical reports. If he was healthy. That's a top seven type dude and he's slipping late in round one. I wonder if somebody says, you know what? Let's, let's, let's remember the guy who was a top. Top 10 pick and take him early.

[Urban Meyer]

And I've been there. You're going to do the evaluation like you can't imagine on the. I mean, they are diving into that knee to make sure everything's.

[Mark Ingram]

Oh, for sure.

[Jerry Ferrara]

Someone could get a steal with him.

[Mark Ingram]

Robbins. All right, so I got my Frosty. But hold on. Does anybody got some cheese curds out there? We got some cheese curds.

[Jerry Ferrara]

Throw us a cheese curd.

[Matt Leinart]

Come here.

[Mark Ingram]

Who's got cheese curds? Bring them onto the stage. Come on. How do we. It's Wisconsin. Like we should be raining cheese curds.

[Jerry Ferrara]

They got.

[Mark Ingram]

We got some cheese curds.

[Urban Meyer]

Where are they Start telling people to throw.

[Mark Ingram]

Oh, this. My gimmick is not working.

[Jerry Ferrara]

Yeah, we don't need about five seconds and I'm done.

[Mark Ingram]

All right, I'll eat the cheese curd Frosty a little bit later, but I'm going with the caramel now. Sell it for me. Mark. Mark Ingram. All this caramel frosty for you.

[Matt Leinart]

Look at the caramel dripping off the Frosty. Just the deliciousness. It's just immaculate. Oh, man. With the brownie batter.

[Mark Ingram]

I am a sucker for a Frosty.

[Matt Leinart]

Now we just need French fries. So I could dip, you know, Dip.

[Mark Ingram]

Well done. Well done. All right, we're going to take a break here from Lambo. We're going to clean up the Frosties off our chins. Over here, we're going to talk. The guy who's maybe the most fascinating talent in this upcoming NFL draft, the Heisman Trophy winner from Colorado, Mr. Travis Hunt. Where is he going to go? Maybe number two, maybe number three, who knows? We'll talk about that when we return to the Nissan drafthouse. Here, throwbacks and the triple option in the house here in Green Bay. This is the triple option and throwbacks presented by Nissan coming your way live from the draft house here in Green Bay, Wisconsin, Lambo Field. Like, Matty, you could throw. I don't think you could make it. Now, back in the day, maybe a couple hops from here.

[Jerry Ferrara]

That's like a hundred yards, dude. At least.

[Mark Ingram]

I think that's 100 yards.

[Deuce McAllister]

But you had a cannon.

[Jerry Ferrara]

That's deep, Rob.

[Mark Ingram]

That's deep. That's like. That's how much faith I have in your arm. Or I did have in your arm.

[Jerry Ferrara]

Zero chance.

[Mark Ingram]

Apparently not.

[Jerry Ferrara]

I'm throwing that. I'm throwing that about 51 yards right now.

[Mark Ingram]

Okay, she's still pretty good.

[Matt Leinart]

Round one is round one from the.

[Mark Ingram]

NFL draft today, tomorrow, round two and three, Saturday rounds four and seven. So 257 picks, seven rounds over the course of the next couple days, and maybe the most interesting talent in this year's draft. We understand what Cam Ward is, but what Travis Hunter brings to the conversation, Two different positions, two sides of the ball. He's a fascinating talking point for this.

[Urban Meyer]

Draft and someone we know well, we covered him a bunch on Big Noon. We met him and remember, he's on set with us in Penn State. I didn't realize how big he is. He's a great kid. He's a grinder. He works at it. He's clean living guy that takes care of his body. So a couple weeks ago I came out, said, if I'm. If I have the number one pick, I'm taking Travis Hunter and I'm playing them both ways. In my almost 40 years in the game, I've never seen a guy that can do what he. He does. What he does is athleticism, because could he be the best corner? I think top one of the top five Corners in the NFL? Yes. Could be one of the top five receivers in the NFL, I think. So can he do it both? I do, but this was thrown at me just a couple days ago. Matt, he has not played elite competition. He has not. And when Colorado had, you know, they, they, they haven't, you know, and that's this whole Shador Sanders conversation too. So it was thrown back at me aggressively and said, there's no chance. This is not me saying it. This is a former NFL GM said, do you believe he can go against Denzel Ward, line up for four or five plays in the series, punt the ball and then go over and play defense against Marvin Harrison Jr. Or whoever? And that's a different. And you guys know it.

[Matt Leinart]

Yeah.

[Urban Meyer]

That next step from college to the NFL. Yeah, that's a ridiculous step.

[Matt Leinart]

Well, you saw when he tried to do it against McMillan, the receiver from Arizona. He kind of had a tough day. McMillan put up some good numbers that day when they played Colorado. So you are going to have to do that. If you. His mindset, he wants to do it right. But in my personal opinion, I think he goes on the defense side of the ball. I think he plays cornerback. And I think you have a package of 20 to 25 plays for him on offense. So he can focus on defense but still be impactful on the offensive side of the ball as well. So that's the way I think you're able to handle that situation. Situation. Until he could prove to himself and to the coaching staff that you need more of a workload.

[Jerry Ferrara]

Also, you know how difficult it is. And again, if there's someone that can do it, he continues to prove everything.

[Rob Stone]

He's only done it.

[Jerry Ferrara]

He's only done it. So that's why, like, that's why I would, I would bet that he could do it and he could do it at a high level. But coach, you know this. The NFL prep the week and like defensive coordinators and how much time goes into one game on Sunday. It's. College is a lot, but like NFL is no joke. Know. And he's. Can you just imagine like the decoordinator and the offense corners like sharing like what. Like just like the, the prep of a week of going into offensive meetings, defensive meetings and making sure then you're dialed in on Sunday. And if you. Maybe you miss a coverage or that and you get burned by Tyreek Hill, like it is a different game at the next level playing and play out. So I say, why not give it a try? He's a unicorn. He really Is, I mean Shohei Ohtani of football for sure, like we've never seen. We talked about it with Charles Woodson. Charles Woodson, Charles Woodson had packages on offense. He was never, you know, an every down guy. This guy has done that at a high level. And can he do it against the elites? It's a, it's a question that remains to be seen.

[Urban Meyer]

And the question on top of that, if you do, how long can you sustain it? Reality is the body is going to start to do this shortly and it's do this much quicker than it did in college because the season is that much longer. And who you're. I when that, when I started thinking about, you know, I had some great teams. But week in, week out with that cat's getting ready to face, I mean there is no slouches that he's going to be going against.

[Deuce McAllister]

But don't you think too like to Mark's point, even if he's not a full time receiver and it's a package, whether it's 10 plays, 15 plays, he's one of the guys to me, if I was rooting against him, if I see him on offense, he's getting the ball. He's so much gravity is going to be drawn to him if he is on offense, whether he gets the ball or not. And yeah, maybe that's not something you could do time in, time out, but if he's on the field on offense, you got to assume they're trying to get him. The ball might be a lot of things you could do off.

[Matt Leinart]

And that's, and that's the impact that he has of being on the offensive side of the ball. Because now you have other players open things up.

[Urban Meyer]

Yes.

[Jerry Ferrara]

Can you imagine him doing a eight or nine play drive as a wide receiver and then they punt, kick a field goal, score comes back and now he's like, oh, you have to go guard DK Metcalf for 10 plays. Hey, Cleveland needs only, I mean anybody.

[Matt Leinart]

He's not going to be in there for the nine plays on the drive though, in my opinion.

[Jerry Ferrara]

Right, but that's, but that's, that's the thing. It's like how much is he going to play on offense or how much.

[Urban Meyer]

Yeah, how about his quote? How about his quote? What was the quote again?

[Mark Ingram]

His quote is saying if they're not going to let me play both ways, I'm not going to play for you, essentially is what it was.

[Deuce McAllister]

Which is probably not true. But you got to take him at his word because that guy's Going to play football.

[Urban Meyer]

I just hate player mandate like that. I mean, you're gonna do what?

[Mark Ingram]

It didn't feel like a mandate to me. It felt more like, hey, I really want to play both sides. I hope you respect.

[Matt Leinart]

He wants to do it. And he. All he's done is his whole life. By the way, now you're going to the NFL.

[Jerry Ferrara]

Like, he's going to go to Cleveland at 2. We think so who's he playing up in? In. He's going to guard Jamar Chase.

[Deuce McAllister]

Yeah. Yeah. And we're all gonna watch it.

[Jerry Ferrara]

DK in Pittsburgh now. And Baltimore. Baltimore.

[Matt Leinart]

And your other boy, Pickens, going deep. Baltimore with Z. Fl.

[Jerry Ferrara]

I'm all for it. That's popcorn. I want, by the way.

[Mark Ingram]

I say, I say, I say double down and then add to it. You talk about, like, he's going to play defense and they're going to punt. Let him return punts, too, man. Let him. Let. Put that ball in his hand is magical.

[Matt Leinart]

But, like, if I'm the offensive coordinator, he's going to the defensive coordinator room. I'm pissed off. Like, no, he should be coming over here with us. Like, you know, there's going to be.

[Jerry Ferrara]

A lot of management.

[Deuce McAllister]

Could that be a problem in the line? Yeah, we want him.

[Mark Ingram]

I think they'll be. I think they understand the players won't care.

[Jerry Ferrara]

The players aren't going to care.

[Mark Ingram]

The players make their team better.

[Jerry Ferrara]

Yeah.

[Mark Ingram]

If the team is better with him playing in the coaching staff meeting, like.

[Matt Leinart]

No, he's coming with us today. No, we need him to do this today. No, he's coming with us today.

[Mark Ingram]

Right. And the last battle. And I'll end it with this. His agent. His agent is going to say, let's make sure you are listed as a wide receiver because the pay scale difference between wide receiver and cornerback is two different worlds. You want to be paid wide receiver money, not cornerback.

[Matt Leinart]

I want to be playing.

[Mark Ingram]

I want to be paid punter money. I don't care.

[Matt Leinart]

I'll be playing wide receiver and cornerback.

[Mark Ingram]

Now you put the two together. Yeah. Now we're talking something wide receiver, cb.

[Matt Leinart]

Wrcb.

[Mark Ingram]

Create a new position.

[Matt Leinart]

Wrcb.

[Mark Ingram]

All right. We're gonna make some adventurous picks right now here in front of our. Our live crowd, right in front of Lambeau Field here in Green Bay. Take adventure to new heights in the all new 2025 Nissan Armada. Go to Nissan USA.com Armada to learn more. There's a great look at the 2025 Nissan Armada there in the front yard here.

[Jerry Ferrara]

Oh, that thing sick.

[Mark Ingram]

By the way, when I say front yard, like, this house, this property is literally owned by the Fox affiliate here in Green Bay. Like it is their house. It's not Mr. And Mrs. Smith's house.

[Deuce McAllister]

The Fox is the owner of the.

[Urban Meyer]

House here they rented out.

[Jerry Ferrara]

Who owns the house here in the crowd?

[Deuce McAllister]

Anybody?

[Rob Stone]

Anybody?

[Jerry Ferrara]

The owner here.

[Mark Ingram]

There's. There's. I don't know, man.

[Jerry Ferrara]

There's.

[Mark Ingram]

There's a. There's a business model down this block for sure. And they've got prime real estate. This is crazy. All right, so here we go. An adventurous pick driven by Nissan. Who wants the first tab on the adventurous pick? Everybody's kind of looking away.

[Jerry Ferrara]

I'll go. Jerry, you want to go?

[Mark Ingram]

Bold prediction. Give us a bold prediction.

[Deuce McAllister]

I think, you know, we've all talked so much about this draft, and since the Super Bowl. Super bowl ended that Monday, we were talking about the draft, which is great, but it's been a long time, and we've heard kind of about the same players and the same teams and their needs. There's a bunch of teams that have been pretty quiet throughout this whole process, and maybe they're not going to do anything. But if you are looking at those first five or six picks we've even talked about, if you are a team that believes you are maybe a warren away from really being a play, I think it's not going to be fully chalk from 1 to 6, and it might not be as simple as, oh, the Giants move back to. You might see a really good team, a close team, try to get in and swoop up one of these players that could take them to that next level.

[Mark Ingram]

So I want to piggyback on that real quick because I want to take a poll. I love that thought. So is this. Is this a fair list of Tier 1 NFL teams that are this close to a Super Bowl? Detroit.

[Matt Leinart]

Yeah.

[Mark Ingram]

Buffalo.

[Matt Leinart]

Yes.

[Mark Ingram]

Philadelphia.

[Matt Leinart]

They just won Super Bowl.

[Mark Ingram]

Kansas City.

[Matt Leinart]

They have Baltimore. Yes.

[Mark Ingram]

Feels like a. Like a tier one, tier two. They're really close, but might need a couple guys. Houston.

[Matt Leinart]

Houston is. Yeah.

[Mark Ingram]

Rams.

[Jerry Ferrara]

Rams are close.

[Mark Ingram]

Last year, 49ers. Washington.

[Matt Leinart]

The Niners missed their window. Yeah, the Niners missed their window.

[Mark Ingram]

So that might make things interesting with the draft.

[Rob Stone]

Two more.

[Mark Ingram]

Two more. Tampa Bay close.

[Deuce McAllister]

Yeah, yeah.

[Mark Ingram]

Close because of where they are. And these guys behind us, Green Bay. These guys with Jordan. Love right behind us. So those programs, I think, are. Are feeling, wow, we're really close, and we've got that window. How that. That manifests itself at the draft.

[Deuce McAllister]

Adventures. Be adventurous. Get out there.

[Mark Ingram]

Yeah.

[Deuce McAllister]

Make some moves.

[Mark Ingram]

You're driving your Nissan Armada, right?

[Jerry Ferrara]

You want to hear my adventures thing? Talk about draft or talk about trades. I think this is. I'm gonna go out. I think this is going to happen. It's got to be quarterback, Chicago Bears. I've been this.

[Urban Meyer]

Yeah, there we go.

[Matt Leinart]

Throw the cheese curds at him.

[Jerry Ferrara]

They're picking 10 tonight. Yeah, okay.

[Matt Leinart]

Throw the cheese curves at him.

[Jerry Ferrara]

Hey, man, come on, man. I think they trade up into the top five. I think they trade with New England at four. Oh, to get Ashton Gente. Yeah, pair him with Deon. Listen for a second. Ben Johnson now the new head coach, what did he have in Detroit? He had Sonic and boom. He had David Montgomery and Jameer Gibbs. Now you get Ashton Gente, who we love, right? And you get Deandre Swift, who in one healthy is very good. You pair that with Caleb Williams and all the star receivers they have. New England is in rebuild mode right now at 4. They're. They're probably going to pick an offensive tackle. They could trade back, get a. Get some more. Bears have a lot of capital in the second round as well, so they can make this trade. New England kind of trades back picks 10, they still get a really good player and they get more draft picks action. I think Ashton Genty telling you someone's going to trade up to get him potentially.

[Mark Ingram]

Okay, that's a good one.

[Jerry Ferrara]

My bold prediction.

[Mark Ingram]

I like that bold prediction. You want it, Mark?

[Matt Leinart]

Come on. Nah, I think, man, what's possible, there's a premium on how the quarterback can run, right? And so when you have a generational talent of quarterback who runs the football in Jalen Milroe, I'm thinking like maybe somebody likes the upside of this young kid and they trade back into the first round and get him in the first round. You know, there's talk about him going second, third round, mid round. But when you have a quarterback who he will probably the second best running quarterback in the league right now today after Lamar Jackson. When you have a guy who run, who's that big, that athletic, running that fast and his upside, you might have some, you know, some, some.

[Rob Stone]

That's bold.

[Matt Leinart]

It might be appealing to some people, you know, to go up there and get a Jaylen Milro in the first round.

[Mark Ingram]

How many quarterbacks. How many quarterbacks do you think there's going to be?

[Matt Leinart]

Four, bro.

[Mark Ingram]

You think there's no way it's two, right?

[Jerry Ferrara]

If there is four, you might get him.

[Mark Ingram]

You're going dart. You feel those are one and Two.

[Matt Leinart]

Cam. Cam.

[Deuce McAllister]

Shador.

[Mark Ingram]

Shador. You think goes round one.

[Matt Leinart]

Cam, Shad, Dart Mil.

[Urban Meyer]

You're saying Shor goes before dart shuck and Milro.

[Matt Leinart]

I'm just saying quarterbacks going in the first round. I don't know what or. Well, we know Cam, but after that we don't know.

[Mark Ingram]

And again, remember the. And coach, you were there. Teams fall in love with a player and you got to have a quarterback. You're not going to succeed at any level in football without a quarterback. And teams are going to get panicky and say maybe I do like this guy more or maybe I've always really liked him and I'm going to play it quiet, Jerry, play it cool and then get in there. I like dart though, as the number two Cuban.

[Urban Meyer]

But the history, even look at the super bowl with Patrick Mahomes and it's not so much maybe the first round, it's that quarterback. This may be the late first, early second. I think that something's going to happen. I keep staring at this with the crushing the marks at quarterback, which we all agree. You know, you put these quarterbacks in a QB heavy draft. Where are they in the last couple years? Yeah, I'm saying a team that. I'm looking at these five teams. You have Titans, Browns, Giants, Patriots, Jaguars. If they are in the mentality they need to rebuild. I said they dump one of those draft picks and go get four or five, try to accumulate talent as opposed to re stick all your money and resources into one. That's a question mark.

[Matt Leinart]

These mugs don't draft the quarterback. That's what I. I don't care. When's the last time there's been less than two quarterbacks in the first round?

[Mark Ingram]

Like actually I have that.

[Matt Leinart]

Do you have that?

[Mark Ingram]

I have that for you.

[Matt Leinart]

Do we have that?

[Mark Ingram]

Pull it up. 2022. One quarterback was taken in the first round.

[Jerry Ferrara]

20.

[Mark Ingram]

Anybody know who that is?

[Urban Meyer]

2022.

[Mark Ingram]

2022.

[Urban Meyer]

Two years. Three years ago.

[Mark Ingram]

Two gloves.

[Jerry Ferrara]

Oh. Kenny Pickett.

[Mark Ingram]

Kenny Pickett. Number 20 overall by Pittsburgh.

[Matt Leinart]

Wow, that's not long ago.

[Mark Ingram]

Nine total quarterbacks were taken in 2022 round seven with pick number 262, Brock Purdy. Brock Purdy. That leads to one of my bold predictions. A big name talent is going to get get shipped today or tomorrow. Brock Purdy. You may be that big name. Miles Garrett.

[Matt Leinart]

Dang.

[Mark Ingram]

You may be that big name. George Pickins, you may be that big name. Go on.

[Jerry Ferrara]

Kurt Cousins.

[Mark Ingram]

Kurt Cousins.

[Jerry Ferrara]

Kurt Cousins is going to be a part of it tonight.

[Matt Leinart]

Who is this guy?

[Jerry Ferrara]

Robbie Dimes.

[Mark Ingram]

I've done my work. Hold on. I got. I have one more bold prediction. Actually, two more bold predictions.

[Matt Leinart]

Make it three.

[Deuce McAllister]

Three more bowl.

[Mark Ingram]

I don't know. I'll figure out the other. The two teams that are going to walk away from this draft on night one as the winners. The New York Giants.

[Jerry Ferrara]

Yep. I agree.

[Mark Ingram]

And the Cleveland Browns.

[Deuce McAllister]

Whoa.

[Mark Ingram]

Which leads me to. My history is not on your side.

[Deuce McAllister]

Watch this one, Rob.

[Mark Ingram]

Watch this one. Ready? The Cleveland Browns will walk away with Travis Hunter and. And Shador Sanders and then immediately retire both of their jerseys.

[Matt Leinart]

Oh, my God.

[Mark Ingram]

I think they're gonna get both of those guys in the first count. How about that? Bringing. Bringing Colorado to Cleveland. You don't think there'd be some excitement?

[Jerry Ferrara]

That's not that. That's not that bold of a prediction, though, really, Because Cleveland just trade back up in the first round. That's why they were like.

[Mark Ingram]

It's still.

[Deuce McAllister]

I thought it was pretty bold.

[Mark Ingram]

Thank you, Jerry.

[Deuce McAllister]

I thought there was boldness, I think boldness.

[Mark Ingram]

Okay. All right, let's talk about. Let's talk about Shador Sanders while we have the opportunity. While. While we're discussing him. We all like him. He's a talent. Big 12 offensive player of the year, obviously has pedigree, has DNA. I don't like how kind of some of these negative articles have seeped out the last couple days.

[Deuce McAllister]

Well, look, I equate it to, like, having a conversation with my wife about some family drama and, like, I don't know what to believe anymore. You've told me this side of the story. This side of the story. Like, I. I trust nothing. I hear similarly with Chador. I. I am so confused because it's been a full 360. He's going in the top three. Oh, he's going to slip. Maybe that someone's going to take him at three. And now he's out of the first round. Like, it is so confusing. I've never been more confused about a single player and where he's going to go. And I think it could be all BS at this point.

[Matt Leinart]

You know, Matt, they hate this man for no reason.

[Urban Meyer]

Hey, Matt, we covered Shador a lot. We did a little segment on Big Noon, and there is. Is not this year. The year before, it was almost half the snaps he was spent because his offensive line was so bad.

[Matt Leinart]

Right.

[Deuce McAllister]

Running for his life.

[Urban Meyer]

You can't do that at the NFL.

[Matt Leinart]

You can't.

[Urban Meyer]

Everyone's too fast, and you'll get hurt.

[Matt Leinart]

Yeah.

[Urban Meyer]

So what's his pocket presence? Who Knows he cannot say you have great pocket presence because you watch him now. And once again, I was all in on Shador because we've seen him. Incredible arm, talent, accuracy, but a lot of that, you start back and you sit back and watch it. Wait a minute. Now he's on the move and you. That's not possible.

[Jerry Ferrara]

And that. And that wasn't his fault.

[Matt Leinart]

He was trying to. He was trying to have the weight on his shoulders and be Superman. And he would be running backwards 30 yards to get sacked.

[Jerry Ferrara]

And there's the only one. I mean, Lamar Jackson is really the only player that can. That can almost kind of sit back and then pick and choose when he wants to run, because he's that.

[Urban Meyer]

And that's a whole different.

[Jerry Ferrara]

And that's a whole different. Shador doesn't really. Shador is a really fine quarterback. I mean, he. He's accurate, he's got a good arm, he moves well enough. But he's not an elite athlete in that regard. As far as running, like Cam Ward's an elite athlete. I think he. He runs and he's. He's closer to the Lamar mold as far as his ability to use his legs. I think Shador needs to go to a place where he has to have, like, he has to have a lot of guys around him. He has to have a lot of really good players around. And I'm not sure you're going to get that at 2 or 3.

[Urban Meyer]

Let me. Let me put you on the NFL model. Okay. One through ten. Arm strength.

[Jerry Ferrara]

Probably like a seven.

[Urban Meyer]

Accuracy.

[Jerry Ferrara]

I think he's like a ten, nine or ten. He's highly accurate.

[Urban Meyer]

Mobility one through ten.

[Jerry Ferrara]

See, that one's. That one's different for me because Ben Roethlisberger was extremely mobile, but he wasn't fitting fast.

[Urban Meyer]

Right.

[Jerry Ferrara]

Shador Sanders can move and move around and manipulate the pocket, but he's not fast. So I think his mobility is very good. He's just not going to break away and run for, you know, like, again, I use Lamar. I mean, that's not. That's. That's unfair. But Josh Allen. Josh Allen is big and fast and can run and use his legs. Shador doesn't have that game.

[Urban Meyer]

And then you go.

[Jerry Ferrara]

The football iq, I think it's high.

[Urban Meyer]

And then leadership quality. Those are the things you're saying. Okay.

[Matt Leinart]

Other than throwing his line under the bus that one time, I'd say that he has good leadership quality.

[Deuce McAllister]

Yeah.

[Urban Meyer]

First. First rounder. Who.

[Matt Leinart]

First rounder on sh. Yes.

[Urban Meyer]

Top. Top 15.

[Matt Leinart]

Yes.

[Urban Meyer]

Wow.

[Mark Ingram]

You're torn, I know you are man.

[Matt Leinart]

21 and a half.

[Mark Ingram]

You had.

[Matt Leinart]

It's the line. Right.

[Rob Stone]

But this is the.

[Jerry Ferrara]

To your 21, 21 and a half.

[Matt Leinart]

Right?

[Jerry Ferrara]

This is what you're saying. This is the time of the draft and I went through this as well where especially the quarterback position stuff starts to come out because teams want to manipulate. They want to, hey, let's throw a bad hour. It's, it's really the excuse, the shitty part about it especially with a quarterback who just wants to get drafted.

[Deuce McAllister]

I've never been more confused about the smoke screens.

[Jerry Ferrara]

We're all confused. But that there's, there's a rhyme and reason to some of these teams and hoping that a kid like that drops.

[Matt Leinart]

Happens every draft two to three weeks out and.

[Jerry Ferrara]

But the problem is it's, it's Shador, it's Deion Sanders. It's all of what we've seen from Shador in Colorado the last two years that have put this big ass light on him. And now he's about to become a professional. So it's this is this.

[Mark Ingram]

We'll know the next couple hours of that story tonight. How about some fan questions to take us home here as we're. We're wrapping up the big show.

[Deuce McAllister]

I don't know if you guys pay attention out there. How many of you raise your hand if you think you could get one yard in the NFL? You guys are some lion.

[Mark Ingram]

You are going to break, you're going.

[Jerry Ferrara]

To break your arm, dude.

[Mark Ingram]

Unrealistic.

[Matt Leinart]

Jerry, the question is on how many carries.

[Jerry Ferrara]

One carry, you get one play.

[Deuce McAllister]

Take three carries over under one and a half yards you think you're going over.

[Matt Leinart]

Is this net yards? Is this leaving with. Is it gaining one yard or is it net yards? Like you have to have the stat line three carries for one for you.

[Deuce McAllister]

You have to have three carries for over one.

[Jerry Ferrara]

Give us a visual of is what offense for two yards.

[Deuce McAllister]

From the, the dude with the glasses and the Aiden Hutchison jersey wants to says put him in the eye and I'll get it.

[Matt Leinart]

That's not the best way to get your yard.

[Deuce McAllister]

Well, before we get to the fan.

[Jerry Ferrara]

Questions, Coach, you don't want to run up the middle.

[Deuce McAllister]

This one's for coach and this one is from Jerry from Brooklyn. If you had to like if there was a new rule that said you have to play a non professional one snap per game and I was your non professional, where would you put me on the field if I had to play one snap in order for your team to be eligible what would you have me do?

[Matt Leinart]

Long snapper.

[Jerry Ferrara]

Yeah.

[Urban Meyer]

I'd extend you far right outside. Someone would have to cover you. If not, we could fall down for six yards, but. Yeah, but as far right.

[Deuce McAllister]

So you wouldn't even have the faith to just be like, you know what? They'd never think we'd do this with Ferrara. Let's give the kid a shot.

[Urban Meyer]

No chance. Just stand.

[Deuce McAllister]

That's why you're a Hall of Fame coach.

[Jerry Ferrara]

Hey, by the way, that reminds me. One time I. I lined up on the outside as, like a. As a decoy at the corner, just started laughing. He jammed the. I went out there, I was like, dude, just. I'm not even. I'm just blocking. He just goes, all right, don't care. Right up.

[Urban Meyer]

Throwing F bomb.

[Matt Leinart]

Yeah, I did.

[Deuce McAllister]

Sorry, Jim in Wisconsin. Who's out there in the crowd? This was for Matt and Mark, and we kind of asked K this question, but hardest hitting player you ever played against in the NFL, or you can even go college or NFL.

[Matt Leinart]

Oh, hardest hit or hardest hitting?

[Deuce McAllister]

Hardest hitting player, whether he hits you or not, the guy that you did not want to get hit by.

[Urban Meyer]

Spikes up.

[Jerry Ferrara]

I think I was never scared to.

[Matt Leinart]

Get hit by somebody, but I was aware of where they were at on the field.

[Deuce McAllister]

Right?

[Jerry Ferrara]

That's.

[Deuce McAllister]

Yeah.

[Matt Leinart]

So I'd have to say it was Cam Chancellor.

[Deuce McAllister]

Cam Chancellor? Yeah.

[Jerry Ferrara]

He was just coming downhill.

[Matt Leinart]

Camp Chancellor. Yeah. Nasty mug. He hit me. Watch your mouth. He just big. About 6, 4, 230 pound safety, black visor, sitting in the middle of the legion.

[Deuce McAllister]

Just waiting, Just waiting.

[Mark Ingram]

Just.

[Matt Leinart]

You bounce off. He. He. Yeah. So, yeah.

[Mark Ingram]

Yeah.

[Matt Leinart]

Camp Chancellor. I had to say I knew where he was at when we played Seattle.

[Deuce McAllister]

Matt, who are you getting ready? You're coming at. You're breaking the huddle, and you're like, oh, God, this guy's coming off the edge.

[Jerry Ferrara]

Ray Lewis in Baltimore. I was telling Mark I want one of his all black Ravens jerseys. That was back in the heyday with Ed Reed and Terrell Suggs and all black. Black visor 52 right from here, like six yards. I'm like. And I never got hit by him, but I was like, but the hardest ever been hit. James Harrison for Pittsburgh. I was coming out on a bootleg. I went to jump up, he picked me up by my waist, body slammed me. The only time in my career where I stayed out a play, I couldn't get up.

[Deuce McAllister]

Dude, did he say anything to you after he did it?

[Jerry Ferrara]

I had a back contusion. And then the next week I broke my collarbones.

[Mark Ingram]

It was a bad week for me, Matt.

[Deuce McAllister]

My neck in my back.

[Jerry Ferrara]

The trainers came out. The trainers came out. They're like, yo. I'm like, yeah, I just can't move real quick, but give me a second, man.

[Mark Ingram]

Final real quick, Matt. Hardest I've been hit.

[Jerry Ferrara]

Was that week one?

[Matt Leinart]

Yeah, it was.

[Jerry Ferrara]

No, that was Maryland.

[Matt Leinart]

It was week one. Tcu.

[Deuce McAllister]

Coach, we got one for you. And I'm still upset you wouldn't actually give me the rock. All right. Ethan from Minnesota, one of the most overlooked players you ever coached.

[Urban Meyer]

Tara McLaren. Yeah, great calls.

[Deuce McAllister]

Few commander jerseys out there.

[Urban Meyer]

The Redskins right there. Yeah, Redskins. Terry McLaren was a guy that was fast, was a guy that was unrecruited coming out of high school, developed, was our best special teams player. And, yeah, people passed and passed and passed. The other one, the other one. Corey Lindsley, you're starting center. And I got in a big argument with scouts the next year because, I mean, best center I've ever had, one of the best penalties, and they said his arms are too short. I was like, what are you talking about? And he went on to have a great career, a great career here. Started as a rookie at Green Bay. Corey Lindsley.

[Mark Ingram]

Hey, we want to. We want to thank everybody out there for watching, listening, but our live crowd. You guys, thank you so much. Love to have you back tomorrow. You're all welcome back tomorrow night. Come on back tomorrow afternoon. We will be live on. On X, on Facebook, on. What else? Where else are we? We're live here in person outside of lambeau field. Again, 12 to 1:30 Central Time. The Draft House House coming back. Subscribe Day one, done. Day two, coming your way. Tell your mom, as always, huge thanks to our incredible sponsors, Nissan and Wendy's, and we will see you again tomorrow at 12 Central.

[Matt Leinart]

Wow. As a pro.