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Throwbacks with Matt Leinart & Jerry Ferrara
What Made Kobe Bryant Special, The Redeem Team, All-Time Lefty Hoopers, Ohio State vs. Michigan and More with Michael Redd
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Michael Redd
Can you imagine how much we would have made in college?
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Matt Leiner
And let me tell you what, man. I would have made more in college than I did in the NFL. We paved the way for the. For these guys. But, God, it would have. It would have. It would have been nice.
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Jerry Ferrara
Okay, welcome to another episode of Throwbacks. Me and Maddie Liner, as always, do us a favor, stop by the YouTube, as they call it, go to Throwback Show. Give us a subscribe. Yeah, like, subscribe, don't be afraid, like, and all that. And on all social media platforms at Throwback Show. Matt, today you must have woke up feeling like your left arm must have been like, why my left arm feels good today because we have another amazing lefty professional athlete joining the show. Michael Red.
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Matt Leiner
Michael Red, dude, Shout out to Mike Red, dude. So, yeah, dude, there's not a lot, you know, listen, man, we kind of lefties kind of get labeled as a little different, a little off, a little quirky. Voodoo, Voodoo, whatever you want to say. Like, we're just weird, right? We're different. Like. Like, shout out. Shout out to my lefties, but shout out to my lefty Hoopers, because I was a Hooper back in the day. We got the greatest. Excuse my language, the greatest stroke, you know, every lefty you could think of. And Michael Redd is right up there at the top, man. What a freaking beast, dude. And. And again, like, one of, like, Olympian all star, incredible player dude.
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Jerry Ferrara
He's also. If you're paying, I, you know, I'm. I basically go on, like, Twitter these days for basketball content only. He's been crushing in social media and he launched a YouTube channel. You just search his name. He's coming at basketball in a very different way from media. As you see a lot of former players and current players, it's more about, like, the drama of the NBA and
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Matt Leiner
the stories where talking between errors.
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Jerry Ferrara
Yeah. Michael Redd has been approaching content. Like, let's really dig into some X's and O's and why this guy's good and things you might not notice as a fan that he, having played the game, will notice.
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Matt Leiner
He.
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Michael Redd
The.
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Matt Leiner
The cool thing about it is he's giving his flowers to the new generation.
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Jerry Ferrara
Yes.
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Matt Leiner
And giving his flowers to the old generation and. And, like, bridging the gap between the audience. Right. Like, it's like, hey, we don't have to talk about these. Like, these kids are really, really good. It's just a different era of basketball. It's played differently than maybe when Mike played or when it was played in the 80s. And 90s so like it's okay to respect and love both and he's breaking it down and his stories are incredible and I, I think he's one of the best follows on social media for, especially for hoops and like becoming and, and becoming one of my favorite players. I mean he was still like one of my favorite players as a lefty but is. And one of the better human beings. Like incredible interview and also has had
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Jerry Ferrara
a great post NBA career. I believe he's like a dog investor and, and he's just crushed it. So after the Michael Redd interview, stick around because we are doing so. I am so.
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Matt Leiner
I can't wait for this year.
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Jerry Ferrara
This is in my wheelhouse. Like this is what I would do on my own time with friends. You and I, in honor of having one of the great lefty shooters are going to draft our all time NBA lefty lineup. Now you got two ways to go. Matt, you could just go best available, try to get a strong five. I'm going into this, I'm drafting a team that I could put on the court that would run your team out of the building even if you had slightly bigger names. That's how I'm GMing this to GM.
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Matt Leiner
I guarantee I know one of your, one of your top five and I'm not even gonna go there. I guarantee.
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Jerry Ferrara
I hope he's available. Maybe he might not. So yeah, stick around for after the interview. We'll do that draft and let's bring on the great left handed shooting, Michael Redd. All right, joining us on Throwbacks today, one of my favorite players to watch as I started my obsession with the NBA and now he's one of my favorite follows on social and his YouTube channels. Crushing it. The way he speaks about basketball both when he played and the way it's played today. Michael Redd joining us on the show. Thank you so much, Mike for coming on.
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Michael Redd
Oh, it's my honor, guys. Big fan of both of you guys and it's a privilege to be on the show with you guys.
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Matt Leiner
Just a great, just a great lefty, Jerry.
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Jerry Ferrara
Just two great lefties right. I'm sitting here with humbled as a righty to be sitting here with two of the great left.
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Matt Leiner
Mike, I said, I said there's something different about being left handed. Just whether it's a Hooper or throwing a football or the lefty swing, we're just like, we're just smoother. Like everything we do is smell. I was telling Jerry before you came on, right. I mean like that's just it Just looks prettier, man.
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Michael Redd
You know, my nickname Matt growing up was called Silky. Oh, I think it had a lot to do with. It had a lot to do with the fact that I think we were left handed.
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Matt Leiner
Well, my, my, my nickname growing up was Shamu because I was £300 at 10 years. Well, I mean, dude, I was, I was a pitcher. So I were talking before I loved. I love baseball. Grew up in a baseball family, but I love hoops. I still love hoops. And football was sort of kind of. We don't kind of randomly fell into hoops as I got older but. Or fell into football. But I was like probably 180 pounds in fourth grade, but I was on the hill and I was just pumping gas. But my, my teammates nicknamed me Shamu. So not proud of it, but you
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Michael Redd
know, so, so not bad for just falling into football.
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Matt Leiner
Not bad.
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Michael Redd
Not bad.
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Matt Leiner
But. But listen, man, I would give anything. I still the one thing that I hold on to. And Jerry can attest it outside of.
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Michael Redd
We.
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Matt Leiner
We've transitioned into golf now in our older years, but I just popped my calf playing rec league basketball a couple weeks ago, man, and it was like devastating because I think my basketball career is over. So. But we can move on. Yeah.
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Jerry Ferrara
When you were a young guy coming up was b. Was it. Was basketball always number one sport for you when you were a kid or did you play a lot of different sports? It.
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Michael Redd
It was. I played as. As you all know, we're, we're similar age. Like we all played different sports growing up in the park. And as I got older, basketball became predominant. But between my freshman and sophomore year, I actually had a love for tennis that superseded basketball at that point. I became a really good tennis player in high school. But ultimately, yes. In fact, when I went to Ohio State first time meeting coach o' Brien who was our new coach at the time, the first things he said to me, is it going to be tennis or basketball? I said basketball. I'm not good enough to play tennis at Ohio State, but that's how much I love tennis.
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Matt Leiner
I've been a part of this Ohio State. And you were obviously great at Ohio State and had a great career there. The Ohio State Michigan rivalry I've seen from a football side, which is crazy. Is it the same when you're playing a part of the basketball rivalry when you play in Michigan? I know it's probably a little bit different. And do you have any kind of unique, crazy stories from that rivalry?
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Michael Redd
It's it, it is similar, but different. Obviously it's more heightened with football, no question about it. But, but basketball certainly that was, they were a rival of ours. Indiana when I was in school was more of a rival than Michigan actually because of the Bobby Knight connection to Ohio State. And, and, and so there were great games throughout the years with Ohio State and Indiana. So I think those two schools I was in school were the schools that stand out. Yeah, Michigan was always great competition for us in basketball. When we played against them, we, I think probably in my career I probably split with them. But, but you know, the aura of the Fab Five and, and, and all of that was, was certainly looming over when I played and they had great players when I played against the Macy Bastian tractor trailer and Lewis Bullock trailer, Royce Taylor. There's so many different great players they had. And, and, but we held our own though. For sure. We played against those guys.
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Jerry Ferrara
Was it always OSU for you? What was your recruiting journey like?
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Michael Redd
The first school to recruit me was Michigan and I was a Michigan fan growing up. Ironically to your point, Matt and Jerry. I loved Glenn Rice and Ramil Robinson growing up and then obviously it went on to the Fab Five and Jalen Rose being a left hander player, tall point guard, guard. So was I growing up as a kid and looked at those guys tremendously. So. But something changed my senior year and I didn't want to do my laundry and so I just wound up staying at the Ohio State University and stay close 10 minutes from there. It came down to that. And also at the time Ohio State was a distress program, really struggling program and a lot of kids from my area were leaving Ohio to go and build up other programs and I wanted to stay home and help revitalize our program and it wind up working out.
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Matt Leiner
God, there's nothing better than driving down the road old mom and dad and just dropping the laundry off. Correct. I almost went to Michigan too. My mom almost had a heart attack. She's like, you're never going to survive out there. And I ended up staying home. When you get to the NBA, Mike, I'm always curious because, you know, in the NFL it's just there's these moments and all that and you've talked about your rookie year kind of being one of your favorite years. What was just the transition like and what's the toughest part about the transition? Going from college hoops to playing at the elite level in the NBA.
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Michael Redd
Well, at the elite level of the NBA, Matt, and you know this well, you're playing with the best of the best and That's a different dynamic and there's a different rhythm to professional sports than it is in college, like the transition from high school to college was. And the rhythm, the pace, the preparation, the intentionality with your craft all came into play for me as a 20 year old going to Milwaukee and added the privilege of being around incredible veterans. Like I've mentioned before, Ray Allen, Glenn Robertson, Sam Cassell, Lindsey Hunter, Irvin Johnson, Tim Thomas. I had the privilege of being around great players, great people that really helped my career accelerate. But there is certainly a difference between college and pro, and a lot of it has to do with physicality and also the speed you're playing against grown men coming in from college, which is a different dynamic.
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Jerry Ferrara
Yeah, I remember, I remember that Bucks team, your rookie year so well, and it was Eastern Conference final team. Right? So you're a young guy coming in, watching all this. Like, I always wonder this when you, you kind of taste that so early in your career. Not that you would ever take it for granted, but do you think maybe like, oh, we're going to be here every year, we're going to be back here all the time because it's such a grind even to get to the Eastern Conference finals, let alone the NBA Finals. So what was that transition like from Eastern Conference finals team and going into your second year and you start getting the rock a little bit. How'd that go?
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Michael Redd
Well, the best thing that ever happened to me was that we went to the Eastern Conference finals my rookie year. But it wound up being the worst thing because you get spoiled by it. You think this is going to be like this every year, and I never got back to that level again in my career with the Bucks at least. And so there was so much learning for me in that year of sitting and watching. And I was able to take what I learned that year and really absorb it and really apply it to my game going forward. And yeah, it's really hard to get to the Eastern Conference, let alone the Finals. It's hard to get to that level. And you at that point have to have a great team. And so I enjoyed my tenure in Milwaukee. I had 11 great years in Milwaukee. Obviously, my last year was in Phoenix, but for the majority of my career I was in Milwaukee and enjoyed every minute of it.
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Matt Leiner
What would you consider your kind of welcome to the NBA moment? Was it a guy, someone you guarded, or maybe you're on the bench and you're watching Kobe play or something? What was that moment for you?
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Michael Redd
Well, my rookie hero was Eddie Jones, the Great.
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Matt Leiner
Eddie Jones. Yeah, Laker, baby.
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Michael Redd
Exactly. Tenacious defender, as you know, Matt Jerry, tremendous length and also really underrated offensive player. And as a rookie, I'm trying to guard. He was in Miami at the time and it was certainly a rude awakening guarding him and having him guard me. And it was just a tough night, obviously. And then my first year as a starter, playing against Kobe was a rude awakening for me. Usually, typically as a guy that came off the bench, as a six man role, I didn't play against the starters my first three years, but so I kind of missed a lot of times against Kobe. And then he does a turnaround jump shot. He's posting me up and he does a turnaround jump shot. I can test, but his foot hits my. Underneath my arm. That's how high he jumped. I said, wait a minute. This is a different level, different level of athlete and player. And yeah, it was an incredible moment and it made me realize I had to step my game up and become a better player.
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Matt Leiner
You, you had, dude, you had such an amazing. I think, you know, not too long ago Shane Battier was talking about Kobe, right? And you were on X and you've been incredible on social media. Just breaking down. I enjoy for me, from the football side, I always see like the play breakdowns and I think it's really cool because it opens up this lens to just normal fans and you've been really doing that on the basketball side and there's not a lot of guys like in your era that are breaking that down. You did break down the Kobe stuff. Just could you dive a little deeper? I'm a die hard all time Kobe fan and a Laker fan. And Eddie Jones got what a name blast from the past.
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Jerry Ferrara
Temple University.
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Matt Leiner
There you go.
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Michael Redd
Yes, sir.
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Matt Leiner
Just, just what made Kobe. Just Kobe? Because we, every time we have someone that played basketball, I always ask the same question, like, what made him so unique? What made him so different? I often feel like he is almost underrated when you look at like the Mount Rushmore of players. For whatever reason, this generation just, they go to LeBron, all these other guys, just Kobe Bryant. How would you kind of describe playing with him, watching him play?
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Michael Redd
Probably the toughest challenge for me ever in basketball. Him and AI 1a, 1b. Kobe was really strong, underrated, strong. You had to be really physical with him. The more you were physical with him, the more he fed off that though, had the ultimate green light. So, you know, really not too much you can do with him with his skill set along with having the green Light, Right. But more than anything, I think his mentality, he had a mentality to destroy you, which I appreciated because I had the same mentality. And so, you know, his ability to be completely obsessed with the game of basketball. And you felt that when you played against him. And I had the privilege of being on the Olympic team with him in 08, but we had a three year process before that. So we spent a lot of time with each other between 05 and 08 leading up to the Olympics and got a chance to see his work ethic, got a chance to feel him in practice. Him and I used to go have our own training sessions by ourselves actually. So I had the privilege of seeing him up close beyond how Most was able to see him. And what an incredible athlete. What an incredible mindset. That, that to me marks him more than anything.
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Jerry Ferrara
One of my favorite quotes of yours is when you talk about guarding AI and the best defense for AI is making him guard you. Right. I'm going to make him work on the other end because you really can't guard everything. Everything we ever hear from a coach is team defense. And we're going to run a lot of different looks. Sure. And a lot of players like yourself get asked, you know, who were you thinking about the night before that you had a guard? But I'm going to flip that question for you. You know, how did you use to prepare for certain defenders? And who were some of those defenders that you would be up the night before on the offensive end thinking like, all right, this guy's coming at me tomorrow. So here's how I'm going to approach it.
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Michael Redd
I slept well every night, Jerry. I'm be honest with you. I'm not even being like, honestly, I think my career is underrated because I was in Milwaukee.
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Matt Leiner
It for sure is.
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Michael Redd
And it doesn't get the highlights. And I wasn't a really flashy, flamboyant like personality, just did my job and went home. But I mean there was the Eric Snows, the smaller guards that would get underneath. You did Derek Fisher's, the Eric Snows. Then you had the Meta World pieces, the Ronald Test and then you had those guys, Bruce Bowens who had tremendously.
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Jerry Ferrara
A lot of hand checking. I'm hearing a lot of hand checking right now.
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Michael Redd
Yeah, Trevor Ariza was a terrific length guy. Rasool Butler got rest assured. There's a lot of guys who had length. Eddie Jones again, Reuben Patterson. There's a number of great defenders. I had the, I wasn't overly athletic. I didn't rely on my athleticism. I just had to rely on being crafty and outwit you, outsmart you. And being left handed, Matt certainly played a role in that. You know, it's hard to guard a left handed player. I had the ability to go left and right. So the scouting port was, well, he's left handed but he goes right. Right. So how do you, how do you defend against that? And then the ability to shoot the basketball at any point, gave me such a leeway. So we had tremendous defenders, and it was a physical league, obviously, when I played. But I slept well every night, pretty much, yeah.
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Matt Leiner
Jerry, come on, man.
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Jerry Ferrara
Listen. You always hear. No, but you always hear those stories of, like, I was up all night because I knew I had to guard this guy. But I was wondering on the flip side, like, on the offensive side, but that's how, you know. And by the way, like, I. I don't look at you as underrated, because I know how good you are. I watched it. I was there for all.
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Matt Leiner
Thank you, man.
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Jerry Ferrara
Every now and then, yeah, you know, something happens with the younger generation that sure gets the word out. And I love, love, love how people have discovered you, the young people, because I'm a 2K player myself. They discovered Michael Redd 2K. And what is the quote? Like, Michael Red, but everything's green because that's how, you know you had a perfect shot. That must have been fun for you to. To live through. Is people like Michael Redd on 2K. Guy's unbelievable. Because that's what I would say watching you in the era.
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Michael Redd
My. My game is completely embellished on 2K. A lot of young people, I didn't really miss. And it's a funny story about 2k. My son was playing 2k when he's 4 or 5 years old, and. And I tell the story sometimes, and. And I. I go into his room, it's dinner time. And I say, son, it's dinner time. Come down to eat, buddy. He's playing. I'm coming, Daddy. I'm playing 2K. And I says, well, son, we have to get going. Dinner's ready. Mom is ready for us to come eat. He said, yeah, dad, I'm coming. I'm playing with Michael Ray in the Milwaukee bus. And he didn't connect the character on the video game. True story.
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Jerry Ferrara
It's wild.
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Michael Redd
And to me, it was like I won. In life, if my son doesn't just see me as a basketball player, he sees me as dad. He just knows me as dad in a sense. And so it was a really fun moment. But most people, young people, you were amazing on 2K. Oh, my God. You never missed. And you know, it's true. That is. That is. It's always an honor for people to remember what you. You did on the court. But I think more importantly, probably on the video games now, you know, these days. But.
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Matt Leiner
Right.
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Michael Redd
But. But it was. It was an incredible tenure that I had when I played. I loved every minute of A Jerry. I love competing and I always, in my social media, you know, my platform, I usually try to admonish the. The guys that were ahead of me, the Allen Houstons and Right Wells, the Mitch Richmonds and Reggie Millers, and give those guys their flowers because they were terrific in their own right, in their time. And I think it's important as a player to remember who came before you, but also while still celebrating what's happening right now with the young players.
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Jerry Ferrara
That's what you do that I love so much too, is you. You. You celebrate the generation you were in and the ones even prior. But you know, you have said, like, I look at basketball now, I'm like, man, these guys are like unbelievable. Like, I've heard you even talk about Lamelo. And you're like, you said, I think a year ago in 2025, you're like, this guy is really unbelievable. Everyone's giving you crap for it. I've always appreciated that about how you talk about today's game too.
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Michael Redd
I love the modern player. I really do. They're so talented. And Melo had got the bad rap and really was associated with the Globetrotters, the way he played from a lot of fans. But like, I saw a young man who was learning how to play the game, who's extremely talented, who wants to win. Actually, through all of the showmanship of his game, he really wants to win.
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Matt Leiner
Con canipple, baby. He's a right hero.
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Michael Redd
Knipple's been terrific.
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Matt Leiner
Yeah, I think you're bridging the gap because especially in basketball, you know, with football, there's not as many kind of mouthpieces. Guys like Micah Parsons has his own podcast and all that. But in basketball, you always see like, it's almost like the era is clashing. Like the older guys are like this and that they couldn't play in this. And I just think you're doing a great job of kind of bridging the gap of like giving the old guys flowers, giving the new guys flowers because they are so talented. We've talked about lefties a little bit, Michael. We do a segment every week called Throwback 3 and we wanted to ask you your all time favorite lefties basketball players. You can go all the way back, you can go modern, you can go shooters, whatever. Your top three lefty basketball players, you can't say yourself. So we're gonna go. We're gonna go. Your top three. Who you got?
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Michael Redd
Wow. Top three. You've gotta look at Chris Mullen.
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Matt Leiner
Yes, yes.
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Michael Redd
Honorable mention. I didn't See him play. Bill Russell. You've got a, you've got a honorable mention. David Robinson.
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Jerry Ferrara
Yes.
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Michael Redd
For me, certainly Manu Ginobili was. I had to guard him. He was incredible.
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Matt Leiner
Yeah, he was good.
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Michael Redd
He's terrific. Terrific left handed player. And then you look at James Harden and what he's done with his career. Arguably one of the greatest scorers in the history of the game. I'll throw one, I'll throw a last one in there. I know you asked for three, but I'll throw. Lamar Odom. Yeah, Lamar Odom was terrific.
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Matt Leiner
God, he was good.
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Michael Redd
6, 11, 6, 10. Kind of ahead of his time when we look at his game. So those are the lefties that stand out to me along the years. There's so many more.
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Matt Leiner
Did you, did you ever play? I mean, I know you do. Anthony Peeler was one of my favorite players growing up because the Lakers, it was, it was Eddie Jones. It was. Peeler was on those teams. It was,
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Jerry Ferrara
yeah.
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Matt Leiner
Divock.
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Jerry Ferrara
Yeah.
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Matt Leiner
But Peeler was so smooth, man. I think that was probably like, God, I must have been like 10 or 11 years old when he was on the Lakers. But Peeler's one of my favorites.
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Michael Redd
He, he was terrific. Nick Van Exel, left handed as well. Yeah, Nick the Quick was special. And, and so there's been so many great players that kind of get overlooked that I, I love to highlight along the way. But yeah. Anthony Pillar, unbelievable left handed player.
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Jerry Ferrara
I got a, a question for. So I, I've, I've listened to you talk about the Redeem team. You know, it's such a unique story and we all saw the documentary and you have so many good stories from there. But as I was kind of preparing for you, I. You had a quote that you know, really stuck out to me too because when you said like time to be on the Redeem team, he said because the rest of the world caught up. Right. And that's just struck me as like, you know what that really was the time period. And now you look at the NBA now, I guess if you go back to that time period when you say they caught up to you, obviously they got better. But what do you think they were doing in other countries, basketball wise, that made them catch up? So not quickly, but now we look and you can look at the top five NBA players, whatever your rankings are. And you know, there's a lot that are not American currently.
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Michael Redd
Yeah. Oh, I think the exposure from 1992, Dream Team with Jordan and Barkley and Ewing and Larry Bird and Magic, all those great Players expose the game on a global scale. And the world really began to take a liking to basketball the more. And. And so by the time you get to 08, you know, you've got six NBA guys on Spain's team, you know, and so, you know, their ability to have been together for years played a massive part. No longer could we just put a team together and think we're going to win the gold medal in that summer. And I think you have to credit Jerry Colangelo with being a mastermind of putting the guys together for three to four years before the Olympics so we can develop chemistry, cohesion, togetherness, the ability to trust each other in tough moments. Dinners, breakfasts, training camps, we went through all of that before we got to the gold medal game. And I think those moments helped propel us in those moments during that championship game. So I think the world had an advantage as far as being in our development system, obviously. But also having been together for since they were teenagers, that's a big deal when it comes to winning.
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Matt Leiner
What do you think of like club AAU basketball now? I just heard my son played it a little bit. I kind of got my feet wet. What are your thoughts on that?
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Michael Redd
So I have an AAU program. You do?
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Matt Leiner
Okay.
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Michael Redd
It's not the traditional AAU program because we focus on development more than playing. And the kids, they struggle with it because they're not used to just like doing L cuts and post entry passes and learning how to do a left handed layup and like chess passes. And I think there is something to be said about learning the fundamentals, Matt. As you know, in order for you to be really gifted at the passes and all behind the back, you got to master the simple plays and simple things. And I think we've lost that in our generation. As far as fundamental basketball being the foundation. People come to me all the time about when I play or fans that say, hey, Allen Iverson's amazing. I said, but what you don't realize is Allen Iverson is probably the most fundamental basketball player in the league, you know, and so they see all the highlights on SportsCenter and whatnot with these great players, but not realizing they're so fundamentally sound. And I think that's an important aspect. And so we do that with our A program. I think there's too many games played, which breaks down the body much sooner. Kids experience burnout by the time they're juniors and seniors in high school. They dislike basketball by the time they get to college. Obviously Nil now has reinvigorated my love and, like, for the game. But I think your body takes a beating, and then by the time you get to the NBA, if you're lucky, you know, injuries are popping up more frequently now. So I think it does stem from an arduous schedule in the AAU circuit.
- [29:16]
Jerry Ferrara
Yeah, you said it. Even at, like, the top of our interview, you're like, you know, you played a lot of sports as a kid. You know, you didn't just play basketball. And nowadays I feel like, you know, kids pick their sport very, very young, and then it's just push all the chips in a lot of. They just push all in. Like, this is our sport. This is our lane. And. Yeah, I mean, I could only imagine being a kid where it's like. I mean, some kids that they like, oh, you never tried baseball, right? I mean, football's different. I don't. Maybe some kids should try. I definitely should never have tried. But. But you say tennis, golf. I know you're a golfer, too, which, like, that's what I want to say. I know. Like, it's so funny, right? Because I remember when there was, like, a wine craze in the NBA, right, with LeBron. LeBron started really kind of drinking some wine, and the next thing you know, every NBA player has a wine label and all this stuff. Golf. Back in, like, 08, during the redee, like, it obviously was popular. Not nearly as pos popular now, were you playing. You were playing golf back in the redeem. But it wasn't like everyone's going, yeah,
- [30:17]
Matt Leiner
LeBron just picked it up, right?
- [30:18]
Jerry Ferrara
Because LeBron's, like, obsessed with golf now. Now golf is going to be the wave now in the NBA.
- [30:23]
Michael Redd
I've been playing golf for 25 years. Ray Allen took me on the golf course in 2001.
- [30:29]
Jerry Ferrara
He could play.
- [30:30]
Michael Redd
Yeah, he's terrific. And so we just DM'd each other the other day about playing with each other. But he started me on this journey, and I love golf so much. To your point, we were at the hall of Fame last September. We had the privilege of being inducted in the hall of Fame.
- [30:46]
Jerry Ferrara
Yes. Congrats.
- [30:47]
Michael Redd
Thank you, buddy. What a tremendous recognition and honor the conversation. We hadn't seen each other in 17 years in one space, all of the whole team. And the majority of the conversation was around golf. And I'm trying to weasel my way into these games with LeBron. D. Wade, Chris, Paul, Jason. Kidding. And they all rejected me. They're like, mike, you're too good for us. Like, you were not there yet, but. And so it was amazing because LeBron was like, no, I'm not ready for you yet. I'm not ready for you yet. I mean, you're on a different level. So the game is, as you guys know, you can play forever, and it continues to help that competitive nature that you're born with.
- [31:27]
Matt Leiner
Are you over at Muirfield?
- [31:29]
Michael Redd
I'm at the golf club.
- [31:31]
Matt Leiner
Oh, the golf club.
- [31:32]
Michael Redd
At the golf club. It's the top 30. It's one of the best golf experiences in, in the world to me.
- [31:38]
Jerry Ferrara
So, you know, we need to do that. Matt, when you're there, when you're in Columbus with big news. Listen, I've been asking Urban Meyer, all these dudes golf. Matt's getting into it. Let's all meet up, get two foursomes out there and let's go.
- [31:51]
Michael Redd
Dude, I knew you were asking for a reason, man. I knew you were asking for a reason.
- [31:56]
Matt Leiner
Well, Urban's a member. Brady Brady. Brady Quinn. Lives over in Dublin, right by you. Yeah, um, I, I, I played golf in my, during my career. I just never got the bug. And then as Jerry and I started the show a couple years ago. Jerry's a golf, he's a golfer. And so, dude, I've been, I went to, I played St. Andrews last summer in Scotland. Like, I'm, I'm all about, I'm all about. I played in Tahoe in the little classic, the, the pre with Austin Reeves, who's a, who's literally a scratch golfer. So I'm, I'm in, man. I'm in. Now that my basketball career is over, I'm in.
- [32:32]
Michael Redd
I got down to a 1.
- [32:34]
Matt Leiner
Oh, dude, I can't play with you either.
- [32:36]
Michael Redd
3. Now I grind though, man. I work at it. I take lessons and you got to work at it constantly. But I definitely want to be a script. I'm right there. I just gotta continue to make more putts. But yeah, I'm right there. I love the game.
- [32:51]
Jerry Ferrara
Well, you know, it's even tougher for like a 12 handicap, like me playing with a 1 handicap like you. But then again, the lefty stuff, you, I can't even look at you for swing help because it just looks so different and smoother. Like, the righties just don't look like that. So I can't even, like, look to you for help because you're on. You're operating in this other spectrum of leftyville.
- [33:10]
Matt Leiner
Do you golf lefty, too? Because I golf right There's a. Ok, so I golf righty, but throw lefty. There's a Lot. There's a. It's a. It's kind of random, but.
- [33:17]
Jerry Ferrara
Yeah, no, Mike is a pure left.
- [33:20]
Matt Leiner
Pure lefty.
- [33:20]
Jerry Ferrara
You are pure lefty.
- [33:21]
Michael Redd
I tell you. A great golfer who's low key. Mike Conley. So Mike Conley's like a four. Like a four. Five. And. And we have. We have civil war in the summertime when he's home. We play golf all the time and we love to be each other. D' Angelo Russell as well. A lot of guys are.
- [33:38]
Jerry Ferrara
I just heard another two lefties. Just another two lefties just popping up, man.
- [33:43]
Michael Redd
Right, exactly right. Exactly right.
- [33:45]
Jerry Ferrara
Listen, I. I appreciate the time. I could talk to you forever. I literally have like 10 more NBA things. Maybe we could get you back as we get deeper into the playoffs. Because for sure, you know, I want. I want to know your thoughts on, like, the play in which I think has been great. And I guess, like, last thing, I was thinking about this the other day. You know, regardless of whatever happens with okc, but even if they do win the title or come very close again, it kind of feels like current rules and aprons and I, I'm not. I'm versed on the cap, but not smart about it. Like, I feel like it'd be really sad if they happen to win the title again. And then we have to see like one of those core guys go because of Cap Rul. Like, we kind of lose that sense of a team that everyone's just coming to try to beat. I don't know. I had this thought the other day and I wanted to mention it to you, but I don't want to keep you for another 20 minutes, so.
- [34:34]
Michael Redd
No, I think it's going to be hard pressed to find true dynasties going forward.
- [34:38]
Jerry Ferrara
Yeah.
- [34:38]
Michael Redd
You know. You know, like the usc dynasty, the mid 2000s. Right. Like having those guys. That was for you, Matt.
- [34:46]
Matt Leiner
Thank you, man.
- [34:46]
Michael Redd
Yeah, yeah. But. But having. To your point, Jerry, having teams be in contention for six or seven years, that same roster, that's not going to be the case going forward. I don't believe. Unfortunately, now you got to maneuver. As a gm, you have to maneuver a lot of things. But I think seeing the same faces on the.
- [35:05]
Jerry Ferrara
On.
- [35:05]
Michael Redd
On a roster for six to seven years, it's not going to happen. It's often.
- [35:11]
Jerry Ferrara
Well, enjoy what we got coming up. Playing is going to be fun. Go play some golf and yeah, we'll definitely hit you up when we're coming out to.
- [35:18]
Michael Redd
Please do.
- [35:18]
Jerry Ferrara
And absolutely.
- [35:20]
Matt Leiner
Yeah. And also keep doing the social stuff, man.
- [35:23]
Michael Redd
We really.
- [35:24]
Matt Leiner
I appreciate. I'M sure the younger guys do. And also just business after. After basketball, man, and this new era of Nil and all that. I think you just, you're becoming a great mentor online for a lot of young kids. So I think it's awesome.
- [35:35]
Michael Redd
Thank you, Matt. Yeah, Matt, last question for you.
- [35:38]
Matt Leiner
Yeah.
- [35:38]
Michael Redd
Can you imagine how much we would have made in college?
- [35:43]
Matt Leiner
And let me tell you what, man. I would have made more in college than I did in the NFL.
- [35:47]
Jerry Ferrara
Shit.
- [35:50]
Matt Leiner
Hey, listen, you know what? But we paved the way for these guys. Actually, the o' Bannon brothers paved the way, but we did.
- [35:57]
Michael Redd
I agree.
- [35:58]
Matt Leiner
Yeah, we did pave the way though, man. But God, it would have been nice. It would have been nice.
- [36:03]
Michael Redd
It would have been nice. 100%. I did ask for reparation a couple years ago. Yeah, I did. And we're too old. We're too old.
- [36:10]
Matt Leiner
This will make you probably feel older too. I have. My 19 year old son is playing college football for SMU and he's getting paid now with all the Rev share and nil. So now I'm, I'm. I'm like. And he's like, dad, yeah, I'm making money. He's like, but man, pops, you would have made a ton of money back in the day. I'm like, oh, yeah, dude, for sure. It's cool though, man. I'm happy, I'm happy for the kids. They deserve it, so.
- [36:31]
Michael Redd
Absolutely. Absolutely.
- [36:33]
Matt Leiner
Well, we appreciate you, man. You're the best, dude.
- [36:34]
Jerry Ferrara
Thank you, Michael.
- [36:35]
Michael Redd
Thank you both, man. Thank you, Jerry. Thanks, Matt.
- [36:42]
Jerry Ferrara
All right, again, big shout outs to Michael Red. That was a lot of fun, but now we're about to have some real fun. All right, so we're going to do GM draft lefties only you could do it however you want. Best five or your position. Matt, should we do a sixth man as well?
- [36:56]
Matt Leiner
This is a six, man. We got shout out to six man.
- [36:58]
Jerry Ferrara
Yeah, I need a heat check guy.
- [36:59]
Matt Leiner
There's enough, there's enough names. I mean, the list, the list is strong. I mean, there's, there's. They're strong. It does. I feel like it does. It can tail off a little bit, but then it depends just on, on what your need is and what you're
- [37:11]
Jerry Ferrara
going for and how deep of a cut do you want it to be?
- [37:14]
Matt Leiner
So we're gonna draft. We're gonna, we're gonna switch off to 10 or to 12 because we'll draft a six man or however you want that. We'll do 12 picks. We'll just rotate everyone. I'm gonna. I'm gonna flip a coin. Dude. I have a quarter.
- [37:25]
Jerry Ferrara
Okay. Snake draft. No snake.
- [37:27]
Matt Leiner
Heads or tails? You trust me? No snake. Just straight one through 12.
- [37:31]
Jerry Ferrara
This is a big flip. It's a big flip.
- [37:32]
Matt Leiner
It's a big flip. Call it in the air. You ready?
- [37:35]
Jerry Ferrara
Yep.
- [37:36]
Matt Leiner
Set. Go.
- [37:37]
Jerry Ferrara
Tails.
- [37:38]
Matt Leiner
Oh, Fell off the table. Hold on. One more. Here we go. Ready?
- [37:42]
Jerry Ferrara
Tails.
- [37:44]
Matt Leiner
It's heads. Oh, it is heads.
- [37:46]
Jerry Ferrara
It's fitting that another all time.
- [37:48]
Matt Leiner
I mean, you can't tell, but I am gonna. I am gonna.
- [37:51]
Jerry Ferrara
I believe you, buddy. I believe you.
- [37:53]
Matt Leiner
Pick it up.
- [37:53]
Jerry Ferrara
Thing I know is you're an honest. You're an honest broker. All right. With the first pick of the lefty draft, Matt Leiner, you were on the clock.
- [38:00]
Matt Leiner
I tried not to go back old school because I'm not going to build an old school team, but I'm going to go with one of the greatest players of all time, Bill Russell. The greatest. Arguably Mount Rushmore, one of the greatest players the NBA has ever seen. I think his game back there translates into this game. I'm going with Bill Russell, the number one pick.
- [38:19]
Jerry Ferrara
Okay, that was great. I'm going to go with a little bit of strategy here. I'll explain later. But my first overall pick is the great manufacturer Jovi. Taking him right off the board in, I think, the first guy really to show us the Euro step in a way that we haven't seen it before. Manu. Welcome to Team Ferrara. God, you are on the clock liner.
- [38:43]
Matt Leiner
He was in my.
- [38:44]
Jerry Ferrara
He.
- [38:44]
Michael Redd
Yeah.
- [38:45]
Matt Leiner
Manu is one of my favorites. Listen, I. I'm gonna go with one of the greatest scores of all time. A pick and roll with Bill Russell. I'm gonna go. James Harden, number two, doesn't play a lot of defense, but when you have Bill Russell backing you up, you don't need to play defense.
- [38:59]
Jerry Ferrara
That is pretty fantastic. I. This next pick, sticking with strategy. I'm doing this just to piss you off. Chris Mullen, let's go. I know that's where you were going next.
- [39:10]
Matt Leiner
I know it's not.
- [39:12]
Jerry Ferrara
No, it's not. Well, I'm sitting with Manu and Chris Mullen a much more modern style.
- [39:16]
Matt Leiner
I mean, you got.
- [39:17]
Jerry Ferrara
Defensively, I got problems. Yeah.
- [39:19]
Matt Leiner
I was gonna say you're real slow on the defense so far right now. All right, that was a good pick. I'm gonna go. Oh, this is where it gets interesting. This is where you can go a lot of different ways.
- [39:30]
Jerry Ferrara
Yes. Now we're in the nitty gritty.
- [39:33]
Matt Leiner
I'm gonna go with Chris Bosch. Oh, as my power forward, I got Russell at 5. Bosch. It might be a little bit of a stretch. Perennial all star Olympian, a really great player. Kind of got lost in Toronto for all those years, but like Chris Bosh at 4, can shoot, it can extend.
- [39:53]
Jerry Ferrara
See, that's the one.
- [39:53]
Matt Leiner
Right now. I'm smacking you.
- [39:55]
Jerry Ferrara
Well, the one thing you need when you have Bill Russell is also. You need some shooting. So you just solve that with maybe one of the best stretch for James Harden players.
- [40:03]
Matt Leiner
I'm good.
- [40:03]
Jerry Ferrara
Yeah, but Harden's a lot of things, and he's a good shooter. I wouldn't. I wouldn't classify him as a knockdown like dead eye. He's not Chris Muller.
- [40:11]
Matt Leiner
He's a great. He's one of the greatest scorers. The amazing scorer.
- [40:14]
Jerry Ferrara
Right? He's. Yes. Okay, great. I need to take the pressure off now. I stashed this guy to the third round because I figured you got your center, so I didn't need to jump for center, but. But I'm going with the Admiral. David Robinson answers the lot of the defensive questions, a lot of the rebounding questions that my team. By the way, I got two spurs on the squad as well. Which.
- [40:34]
Matt Leiner
Which I almost went David Robinson and just did twin flops.
- [40:37]
Jerry Ferrara
You could have went double bigs and totally screwed me, bro.
- [40:40]
Matt Leiner
Oh, okay. This is where it gets interesting. I'm gonna go. I could totally screw you right now and go, your boy, but I can't have. I can't have undersized guards. I'm not gonna do that. So I'm gonna go probably playing my two. I'm gonna go Michael Red. I'm gonna go Michael Red.
- [41:01]
Jerry Ferrara
You're getting a little too much shooting. I was afraid you were going to
- [41:04]
Matt Leiner
start to have underrated defender another Olympian can drain. I mean, my team is absolutely stacked.
- [41:10]
Jerry Ferrara
Okay, so I have David Robinson, Milo Ginobili, Chris Mullen. I am going to add a piece now for fit that I think I just have to. And I think he fits so well in this spot. I'm going Lamar odom at the 4 versatility now. I have dual ball handler. I have a scorer. I have a good long defender. My team's. I'll tell you one thing, my team is weird right now. We're living up to the lefty weirdness, so you got to recap. So you got Bill Russell, James Harden, Michael Red, and did you take your fourth yet?
- [41:43]
Matt Leiner
Chris Bosh.
- [41:44]
Jerry Ferrara
And Chris Bosh. Okay, so you got two picks left.
- [41:48]
Matt Leiner
Hmm. This is a tough one. And this is. This is this is going to be interesting, and you're not going to know where I'm going with this, but I think this guy. I think I know is. No, you, you don't know. I guarantee you don't know. It's one of the best in that era. One of the better European players we've seen. He was sort of hidden on a championship team, but in this, he's versatile like Lamar Odom. I'm going with Tony Kukoc.
- [42:20]
Jerry Ferrara
Listen, I love your points. I love your case. I'm just going to say I feel like I'm back in the game now because now I have a guy I could target on.
- [42:30]
Matt Leiner
Tony Ku. Coach and Lamar Odom are, are a wash other than Tony Ku. Coach is a way better shooter than Lamar Odom.
- [42:36]
Jerry Ferrara
Okay.
- [42:37]
Matt Leiner
Way better shooter.
- [42:37]
Jerry Ferrara
I, I find it hard to believe
- [42:39]
Matt Leiner
Lamar is a better ball handler, but I mean, they're, I mean, I'm, Look, I'm scoring, bro.
- [42:44]
Jerry Ferrara
I just find it hard to believe that if you had your choice over Tony Kukoc and Lamar Odom, you.
- [42:49]
Matt Leiner
I was about to pick Lamar Odom over Michael Red, but I'm like, you know what? I'm good. I don't need any more long. Like, Bosch is versatile. I'm good.
- [42:57]
Jerry Ferrara
So, okay, I got Manu, I got Robinson. Feel free to cut all this out, by the way. I got Manu Robinson, bro.
- [43:03]
Matt Leiner
Just take Jalen Brunson. That's who you want.
- [43:05]
Jerry Ferrara
I, I, well, I need a point guard, so I'm gonna take Jalen Brunson. Oh. Even though I know you wouldn't do that to me. Can take them. So that rounds out my starting five of Brunson, Janobile, Mullen, Odom, Robinson, and you have your starting five of Russell, Harden, Bosch, K. Coach Michael Red.
- [43:25]
Matt Leiner
Oh, dude, I'm putting 200 on you. Here's my six, man.
- [43:28]
Jerry Ferrara
You ain't stopping anybody either.
- [43:30]
Matt Leiner
What are you talking about?
- [43:32]
Jerry Ferrara
You got Bill Russell. That's it. That's your only defense.
- [43:34]
Matt Leiner
Michael Red could. Michael Red could play D. All right, all right.
- [43:39]
Jerry Ferrara
Was his offense.
- [43:40]
Matt Leiner
Don't forget defense on your team. Jalen Brunson ain't playing defense.
- [43:43]
Jerry Ferrara
No, he's Christmas.
- [43:44]
Matt Leiner
Chris Mullen for sure ain't playing defense. Probably he's crafty. He's crafty. Lamar Odom would not a great defender.
- [43:53]
Jerry Ferrara
Admiral.
- [43:54]
Matt Leiner
And Bill Russell, I mean, I'm, I'll take, I'll take Russell, Bosch and Red. Harden can't play and KU coach, probably whatever.
- [44:00]
Jerry Ferrara
So I'm curious to See what your 6th May are you going offense or defense?
- [44:03]
Matt Leiner
No, I'm going, I'm going to. I'm going. A guy who can play one through four. He's an NBA champion. A highly, highly underrated player, won an NBA championship. He can score too, but he can defend all of those guys. I'm going with Tayshawn Prince.
- [44:23]
Jerry Ferrara
It's a great pick. That was my pick.
- [44:24]
Matt Leiner
It is a fucking great pick. At my six, man, that is.
- [44:28]
Jerry Ferrara
I mean, I almost took him in a way, I almost staggered this. So I was going to pass on Odom and leave him for you. And then Totem's a good pick. Currents with the fifth. With the fifth pick because that is. He kind of rounds out the whole roster.
- [44:42]
Matt Leiner
And you have an interesting one because I was torn. I have a guy that I left off who I love. Well, I just love him.
- [44:47]
Jerry Ferrara
But a guy I'm leaving off. No disrespect to me, like Willis Reed is kind of an obvious. Yeah, I don't know enough. Like, I know how good they were, I know how iconic they were, but I don't know enough.
- [44:58]
Matt Leiner
Bill Russell is the only old school guy for me that I could like. All right, justifier.
- [45:05]
Jerry Ferrara
Okay, here are the names I'm passing on and then I'll announce I'm passing on Derek Coleman. Although I loved Derek Coleman back in
- [45:12]
Matt Leiner
the day, he was a beast.
- [45:13]
Jerry Ferrara
Incredible. I even toyed around with like a Julius Randall or even like a Catino Mobley. Let me get like a 20 point scorer a game, but I'm not. I need a little more toughness and I need a little more defense. And when you name those two things, I can't think of anyone else other than the late great Anthony Mason. Let's.
- [45:34]
Matt Leiner
Anthony Mason.
- [45:35]
Jerry Ferrara
Now we got some fear on the board.
- [45:37]
Matt Leiner
Now we thought you were going a different player.
- [45:40]
Jerry Ferrara
Who'd you pass? So who'd you pass? We left a lot off the board. There's too many to choose from. But who's someone that you almost took?
- [45:48]
Matt Leiner
Zach Randolph, bro.
- [45:49]
Jerry Ferrara
Zebo. I love Zebo.
- [45:51]
Matt Leiner
Zebo as a six off the bench was a. Oh, I talk about toughness
- [45:56]
Jerry Ferrara
and a 2010 score is not quite there with me.
- [45:59]
Matt Leiner
But you don't need defense, Mason.
- [46:01]
Jerry Ferrara
You get ball handling and you get a little toughness.
- [46:05]
Matt Leiner
I mean, I gotta be honest, guys and. I know, I know. I mean, we can have our guys. Eddie, if you want to chime in. I mean, I'm. I'm fucking running races.
- [46:13]
Jerry Ferrara
Wait, wait, wait. Get Eddie. Jump on. Call anyone.
- [46:16]
Matt Leiner
I'm running. I'm running laps. Around your team.
- [46:19]
Jerry Ferrara
This was harder than I thought though. But I don't think you're smashing me. I have everything, bro. What do you think, Eddie? What's the instant reaction?
- [46:28]
Matt Leiner
Be honest.
- [46:29]
Eddie
I'm looking at Matt's team like, oh my. I can't believe you picked Manu over James Harden.
- [46:34]
Matt Leiner
I can't believe you picked man, who was your number one number one overall
- [46:38]
Eddie
pick, man who Genoblue.
- [46:39]
Matt Leiner
Look at the chat. Number two liner. Yeah.
- [46:41]
Jerry Ferrara
Why are you guys talking like Manu Genobi?
- [46:45]
Matt Leiner
Manu is fantastic. But are you number one pick James
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Eddie
Harden about to be 30, 000 points. One of the greatest office you could
- [46:51]
Matt Leiner
have got, by the way.
- [46:52]
Jerry Ferrara
You could have got. Who's the. Wait, wait, wait. Who's more of a winning player, James Harden or Manu Ginobili? This is an even guys.
- [47:05]
Matt Leiner
You could have got Manu in the third round. I wasn't taking him until my third pick. You could have got him in the third round.
- [47:11]
Jerry Ferrara
You could have got James Harden at any point. I was never taking him.
- [47:15]
Eddie
I knew the Nick bias, I knew the Knicks bias was strong. When you picked Mace over Julius Randall, that was, that was the law.
- [47:21]
Jerry Ferrara
But again, I went. I needed defense.
- [47:24]
Matt Leiner
I would have taken defense.
- [47:27]
Jerry Ferrara
I need a little defense and ball handling. Like, I didn't. Randall's a score. I don't quite need what Randall does. I need what Mason does.
- [47:35]
Eddie
I was waiting for like a loophole pick, like somebody to say, well, LeBron's actually left handed. Russell Westbrook's actually left handed. I was waiting for one of those.
- [47:42]
Matt Leiner
There was a couple of those in there actually that they said.
- [47:45]
Jerry Ferrara
I like that.
- [47:46]
Eddie
The Tayson Prince pick was the Tayshop Prince. That was a good one.
- [47:50]
Jerry Ferrara
That's the swing.
- [47:51]
Matt Leiner
He was. I was almost going in my starting five because he, he, he's one through four. Like he was one of the.
- [47:56]
Jerry Ferrara
I should have maybe taken him over Odom. I was hoping to get. Oh, to be honest, I was hoping to get Odom and Prince.
- [48:02]
Matt Leiner
Dude, I had. I, I laid out my one. I had Tony. Tony Ku. Coach was. I probably could have taken Prince.
- [48:08]
Jerry Ferrara
That's to me where I think I, I have a big case to come back.
- [48:11]
Matt Leiner
But I don't. But I don't look at Lamar Odom as like this upgrade over Tony Ku. Coach, I. And I love Lamar Odom. But Tony, if we're talking about healthy
- [48:18]
Jerry Ferrara
Lamar Odom, who's not like, I get all the issue right. But if we're taking that out of play, play like the on the court to me. But here's KU coach is a great player, but Odom is like one of the most talented players ever.
- [48:29]
Matt Leiner
Bill Russell Bosch, talk about third.
- [48:33]
Jerry Ferrara
We're talking about. You're saying Manu's the third guy on a championship team. I love Chris Bosh. I wish he went to the Knicks instead of the heat he had to take.
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Matt Leiner
Yeah, but Bosch and the Raptors was, was a perennial all star. Yeah, he was a great player.
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Eddie
I like what he did in position wise with this lineup too. Well, that was my pure point guard, peer two guard. Pure, pure power for one of the.
- [48:56]
Matt Leiner
By the way, comes off in place one through four. Thank you.
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Eddie
That's nice.
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Matt Leiner
Hey, we'll let, we'll let the audience decide.
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Jerry Ferrara
I think Matt's team falls apart with Tony Kukoc falls off a cliff with Tony KU coach. And honestly, I'll tell you this right now. That's actually your stats, by the way.
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Matt Leiner
Jalen Brunson. Jalen Brunson not going to know what to do because he doesn't know how to pass. So he's going to be like Chris Mullen, Ginobili, Odom. He's like, oh, wait, I have to pass. Talk about, talk about.
- [49:23]
Jerry Ferrara
What are you doing when you have Disarray coach when you have KU coach and Zebo on the team?
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Matt Leiner
I don't have Zebo. I don't have Zebo. I have Prince, buddy.
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Jerry Ferrara
But I'm just so. But someone had one guy has to sit at some point.
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Eddie
I like how Matt knew you were.
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Matt Leiner
Zibo is not on my team. Dude, are you, are you. Who is your six man Prince, by the way? If you want me to put Princeton.
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Jerry Ferrara
Oh, that was someone passed on. Right?
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Matt Leiner
I'll put, I'll put Tony KU coach on the bench. I'll put Prince at three.
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Jerry Ferrara
Well, that was always my plan was like, you don't have to take your sixth man sixth. You could just bench your guy. Right. Like there's a world where, you know, Brunson maybe sits a little bit and Ginobili runs. That's the thing. Ginobi could run the point. He could run the office.
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Matt Leiner
I love Ginobly. I just wouldn't have taken him number two overall.
- [50:10]
Jerry Ferrara
So you would have taken James Harden over Ginobile?
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Matt Leiner
If you would have went one, would you have taken Bill Russell?
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Jerry Ferrara
Yes, for sure. There's no Bill Russell is the number one pick.
- [50:20]
Matt Leiner
I, I probably would have taken David Robinson because I was building a center first and then I was going to probably take Harden or, or Ginobili with.
- [50:27]
Jerry Ferrara
See, I, I, I love Harden. I think Harden's awesome.
- [50:31]
Matt Leiner
But on this team, I, I don't, I don't need him to play deep
- [50:35]
Jerry Ferrara
because he's not going to. He's not going to. That's good that you don't want him to play D because he won't.
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Eddie
It's tough saying that when Zalen Brunson's in your story.
- [50:43]
Matt Leiner
Chris Mullen, Jalen Brunson. You, you have no defense in your guards. At least you have Michael Red, who can play.
- [50:49]
Jerry Ferrara
Michael Red said on this very episode, my best defense was my offense. He said it in the episode.
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Matt Leiner
Matt. Yeah, dude, come on. And he's on that team.
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Jerry Ferrara
He needs to go for 28 to make the other defender.
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Matt Leiner
By the way, my team is scoring 200 points. Dude. It's not. Doesn't even matter if we put, if
- [51:08]
Eddie
we put these teams together and we watched it happen. 180 to 120 like this.
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Jerry Ferrara
Yeah, you know what? I'm gonna do that. I'm gonna do that tonight. I'm gonna put it on 2K tonight and I'm gonna run a sim on it and let, let the school.
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Michael Redd
We need that. We need that.
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Eddie
Good work, guys.
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Jerry Ferrara
That was fun. I, I first.
- [51:33]
Matt Leiner
We got to do more of those.
- [51:35]
Jerry Ferrara
I love drafts, man. Drafts.
- [51:36]
Matt Leiner
Drafts are the best.
- [51:37]
Jerry Ferrara
Dude, Drafts are the best. You took one of the most polarizing playoff players. Say that three times fast. Polarizing playoff players of all time. A guy who historically we have said, I don't know, is this guy going to show up in the playoffs? James Harden, Is he going to be there? Is he going to score? They benched him in the playoffs, and the team came back and won.
- [51:59]
Matt Leiner
What is Brunson done for the Knicks? And I love, and I, by the way, I love Jalen Brunson, but if you're gonna start saying, he might even
- [52:05]
Jerry Ferrara
be my sixth man, who knows, maybe I plug Mason.
- [52:08]
Matt Leiner
Okay, so then James Harden will be my six man, and I'll.
- [52:10]
Jerry Ferrara
If you're worrying about my Mullen defense,
- [52:12]
Matt Leiner
I'll put Red at one and I'll put Tayshawn Prince in there to guard one through four. Whoever.
- [52:16]
Jerry Ferrara
I'll put Odom. What if I go Ginobili, Odom, Mullen, Mason, Robinson, where are you? You're in a box.
- [52:23]
Matt Leiner
You don't, you don't think Tayshawn Prince can lock up Lamar Odom?
- [52:28]
Jerry Ferrara
What I'm saying is, defensively, you, you got nowhere to go anywhere. You're in a box. I got Robinson, Mason, Odom You.
- [52:37]
Matt Leiner
The sad thing about this is you thought way too hard about this, and your team sucks. I thought about.
- [52:42]
Jerry Ferrara
You can't say my team sucks, bro.
- [52:44]
Matt Leiner
Well, no, it doesn't suck, but it's gonna. It'll lose to my team.
- [52:47]
Jerry Ferrara
We'll find out.
- [52:48]
Matt Leiner
Yeah, we will find out. We will find out.
- [52:51]
Jerry Ferrara
Shout outs again to Michael Red. Go follow him on all platforms. We gotta come up with the next draft for.
- [52:56]
Matt Leiner
Because listen, we'll take. We'll take. We'll take a request. What draft should we do next? That was fun. We could do anything, any sport.
- [53:03]
Jerry Ferrara
All right, I got a fun one. What if we did the all six two and Underdraft?
- [53:08]
Matt Leiner
That could be fun.
- [53:08]
Jerry Ferrara
That could be fun. Shout outs to my short people all
- [53:11]
Matt Leiner
out there taking Mugsy Bogues or Spider.
- [53:14]
Jerry Ferrara
I'm taking Mugsy Bogues first. That was always the player. My mom said, jerry, if Mugsy could do it, you could do it. That was my mom's like, a little pitch to me.
- [53:23]
Matt Leiner
By the way, you're. You're not only you're Jose Altuve, but you're also J.J. barea. Dude, that is you.
- [53:29]
Jerry Ferrara
J.J. bar, a champion J.J. bar who was guarding LeBron in the final.
- [53:34]
Matt Leiner
He had great minutes to the playoffs, bro. He great. He was a part of that rotation.
- [53:39]
Jerry Ferrara
Great minutes. All right, we'll be back next week. Thanks for listening.