The Obongjayar Interview with Throwing Fits

Summary

Throwing Fits — The Obongjayar Interview

Release Date: October 27, 2025
Host(s): Throwing Fits (James Harris & Lawrence Schlossman)
Guest: Obongjayar (Obi)

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Overview

This week, Throwing Fits welcomes the Nigerian-British artist Obongjayar (Obi), fresh from London and off the economy flight, for a lively, unscripted conversation. The episode is a wild journey through Obi’s career, evolving sounds, personal growth, hilarious misadventures, and reflections on cultural identity, creativity, and fame. From tour chaos and fashion, to celibacy and the frustrations of music criticism, Obi is as candid as he is charismatic—unafraid to roast himself, his hosts, and the world at large.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Arrival & Sleeplessness

• Obi's Introduction: Fresh off a flight, admits to being utterly "knackered," referencing his dangerous hotel nap and poking fun at the rockstar myth.
  • Quote: “I'm knackered. I'm a knackered rock star. 90 years old.” (02:32)
• Flight Story: Obi recounts finding a used condom in his Uber, riffing about label budgets.
  • Quote: “This Uber had an open condom, side pocket. Used side pocket. Mad. That was crazy.” (03:01)

2. Fit Check & Fashion Vibes

• Obi's Fit:
  • Camp Lab x H Town top and bottoms
  • Rita Ora vest
  • Vintage sunglasses from Hackney (£12)
  • Vivienne Westwood ring, gifted blue Burnham from friend Celeste, Alighieri ring
  • Prefers silver over gold: “It just looks better on my skin.” (05:32)
• Style Approach: Obi enjoys vintage but isn’t trying too hard: “I like what I like... I love clothes, but I’m not going shopping all the time.” (79:26)

3. Travel Chaos and Tour Life

• Flying Economy: Emphasizes his practicality and economy preference—“We don’t waste money, bro. I don’t have money to waste.” (07:49)
• Love of Plane Food: Contradicts snobbery: “I love plain food... I don’t even need to be hungry to eat on the plane.” (09:13)
• Travel Pet Peeves: Hates people taking shoes off or using the bathroom too much on planes.
  • Quote: “Handle your bladder, bro. Be an adult.” (10:36)

4. Culture Clashes: UK vs. US

• American Obsession with British Culture: Finds it “cute,” especially the football (soccer) craze, but doesn’t care about sports himself.
  • “It’s like watching kids dance.” (12:52)
• Glizzy Talk: Love of the word (hot dog); pokes fun at American and British slang overlaps.
• Accents & Misunderstandings: Entertaining exchange about rapping in an American accent and gun culture in the US.

5. Digital Habits & Millennial Vices

• Instagram and YouTube Addiction: Obi laughs about the conspiracy to keep him “horny 24/7” with Instagram’s algorithm and admits to doomscrolling—primarily on YouTube for movie reviews, essays, and news.
  • “My name is Obi and I'm addicted to YouTube.” (18:16)
• Screen Time Guilt: Puts off checking his screen time notifications, and says his phone always dies—maybe subconsciously trying to escape digital dependency.
  • “When my battery dies, it’s like, okay, cool. That's done.” (21:27)
• Bad Texter: Admits ignoring texts/calls, openly a “horrible texter.” (21:51)

6. Nigerian Roots & Culture Shock

• Moving to the UK at 17:
  • Biggest shock wasn’t the people, but seeing blue eyes for the first time: “I was infatuated by this girl. The first time I'd seen blue eyes.” (23:14)
• On Not Missing Nigeria: He doesn’t romanticize the past (“no looking back”); moved for opportunity, not nostalgia, though he misses his family. (26:05)
• London Neighborhoods: Thinks East London is pretentious, preferring the low-key vibe of South.

7. Work Ethic & Artistic Identity

• Nigerian Work Ethic: Self-defined as a “worker, hustler, survivor.” (30:44)
• Originality over Trend:
  • On Nigeria’s musical influence in the world: “I don't think it's maxed out. It's going to continue to do its thing.” (32:15)
  • Personal Sound: “I say my music is post-Afro... a completely new take on what that can be.” (34:08)
  • Insulation from Trends: Doesn't insulate himself from outside trends intentionally—just surrounds himself with creators, not copycats: “If you're copying and pasting, you're just an idiot.” (39:34)

8. Process & Substance

• Song Creation: No formula; process is improvisational: “There's no formula. There shouldn't be.” (37:31)
• On Critics & Genres: Annoyed by lazy genre-boxing, especially critics mislabeling his music; tells a story about a Pitchfork reviewer calling “Prayer” Afro-pop—“You don't know what Afro-pop is.” (59:39)
• Critical Comparisons: Doesn’t mind being compared to greats like Frank Ocean or Moses Sumney—shrugs it off as helping new listeners find a frame of reference. (61:18)

9. Personal Evolution & Celibacy

• Growth Mindset: Reflects on a recent shift—less interested in partying and fleeting relationships, aiming for more considerate connections.
  • “I'm just trying to be a decent human being... not having it necessarily be constantly about, like, oh, hey, you wanna f***?” (46:15)
• Celibacy: Recently celibate by choice, finding meaning in deeper relationships. (45:40–48:33)
• Addiction, Routines: Talks about briefly quitting cigarettes and drinking when working on music, but more about balance now. (43:49–45:24)

10. Religion, Spirituality, and Introspection

• Leaving Religion: Had a “copy-paste” faith until he began questioning what he actually believed as an adult.
  • “I don't know, man. I've not... I don't know if there's a God...” (51:57)
• Spirituality Skepticism: Dismisses “spiritual but not religious” as a cop-out for people who want both halal and haram. (55:17)
• Favorite Sin: Wrath; admits he holds grudges and is fueled by naysayers. (56:17)

11. Music Business Realities

• Life-Changing Moments:
  • Fred Again’s “Adore U”: “That’s the biggest song I’ve been a part of... completely threw me into the ocean.” (63:57)
  • Describes Fred as a subtle, attentive leader: “He’s a leader...you don’t know when it’s happening, but it’s happening.” (68:38)
• Financial Extremes: Survived on Domino’s pizza and Sainsbury’s donuts between his first deal and getting paid. (74:47)
  • “Donuts and pizza, pounds of donuts and pizzas.” (75:43)
• Indulgence: Now financially secure, but sensible: “That's why I'm financially secure, because I'm not a idiot.” (76:35)

12. Fame & Fan Interactions

• Still Can Move Freely: Fame hasn’t stopped him from living normally in London; fans “aren’t crazy, it’s about the music.” (90:17)
• Community vs. Celebrity: Cherishes authenticity over spectacle—“it feels like a community, like you're seeing a friend, rather [than a superstar].” (90:55)
• East vs. South: Finds Hackney (East London) full of industry “headaches”—South London is “genuine, homely.” (92:08)

13. Random Diversions & Deep-Cut Moments

• Bidet Curiosity: Unfiltered, hilarious debate about bidets, wet wipes, and hygiene rituals. (81:01–82:54)
• On Age: Google/Wikipedia has his birthday and age wrong—finds it funny, refuses to correct it. (72:44)
• Favorite Vintage Stores: Name-drops spots in West London, recommends charity shops for the best finds. (78:59)
• Uber Exec Love: Enjoys Uber Exec for the lifestyle feeling, Bluetooth—but admits it's a dumb expense he’s trying to cut. (77:03)
• Uber Musicians: Shares how LA Uber drivers always try to network if you admit you're in music. (84:38)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On self-definition:
  “My thing is just goated in itself, you know?... I say my music is post-Afro because it’s a completely new take on what that can be.” (34:08)
• On music critics:
  “You don't even know what Afro-pop is, so why would you say this thing is Afro-pop?” (59:39)
• On digital habits:
  “My name is Obi and I'm addicted to YouTube.” (18:16)
• On jetlag:
  “I'm knackered. I'm a knackered rock star. 90 years old.” (02:32)
• On British and American differences:
  “It’s like watching kids dance” (re: American football/soccer obsession) (12:52)
• On spiritual labels:
  “When people say they're spiritual, to me, it means they don't want to do the work to be religious, but they want the belief.” (55:17)
• On formative fame:
  “I came here on economy, bro. Why are you leeching off me?” (41:24)
• On donuts as survival:
  “Donuts and pizza, pounds of donuts and pizzas.” (75:43)
• On successful features:
  “That’s the biggest song I’ve been a part of... completely threw me into the ocean.” (63:57)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Intro / Obi’s Arrival & Jetlag — 02:03
• Fit Check — 03:58
• Plane Tales & Travel Habits — 06:18
• Culture Clash (US & UK, slang) — 11:49
• On Music Watching/YouTube Addiction — 17:48
• Screen Time & Digital Detox — 21:19
• Culture Shock & Blue Eyes in the UK — 22:33
• Nigerian Roots, Not Romanticizing Home — 26:05
• Work Ethic & The Nigerian Hustle — 30:44
• Nigeria’s Musical Influence & Obi’s Genrelessness — 32:15, 34:08
• Creative Process (improv, anti-formula) — 37:30
• Critics, Genre, and the Pitchfork Review — 59:39
• Celibacy & Self-Discovery — 45:40
• Views on Religion & Spirituality — 50:45–55:17
• Wrath as Favorite Sin (seven deadly sins breakdown) — 56:17
• Fred Again Feature / Life-Changing Collaborations — 63:57, 68:38
• Financial Struggles & Domino’s Survival — 74:47
• Fashion / Vintage Stores / Shopping Philosophy — 78:59
• Uber Exec, Bidet Debates — 81:01
• Views on Fame, Fan Interaction & Genuine Community — 90:06
• Constructive Criticism for Hosts — 92:58
• Plugs / Favorite Song on Album — 94:44

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Conclusion / Plug

• Listen to “Paradise Now” — Obi’s album is out, and his current favorite is the song “Prayer.” (94:51)

“I just want to be a decent human being and be a lot more considerate about the relationships I'm building... It's not about the celebrity, it's about growing up.” — Obongjayar (46:14)

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Summary Tone

Loose, irreverent, and deeply personal—much like the Throwing Fits hosts, Obongjayar matches their spontaneity with authentic self-reflection, biting humor, and openness about both his art and his life. The episode is packed with laughter, introspection, and uniquely modern insights into the realities of the contemporary music world.

Transcript

[Jeff Bridges]

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[Dana]

Jeff Bridges, why are you still living above our garage?

[Jeff Bridges]

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[Obongjayar (Obi)]

So Dana.

[Dana]

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[Obongjayar (Obi)]

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[Dana]

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[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

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[Obongjayar (Obi)]

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[Jeff Bridges]

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[Dana]

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[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Is fresh off a flight from London, England, because we collectively scammed his label into paying more to get him to New York a day early so we could rip a pod before he starts torn across America's east coast and then head back to Europe in which he'll be playing records from the adored by snobs, beloved by the people and impossible to pigeonhole. Album paradise Now. And if he's not a idiot, he'll do an encore with his Fred Again feature. Fresh off getting that F1 money and here at chat, getting liddy and giddy London vintage and realizing God is ass. Obang Jayar Obang Jayar AKA Obi. How the hell are you?

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

I'm good man. How are you? Nice to finally be acquainted, man. Yeah. You knackered fan. Big I'm knackered.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

Really?

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

I love how you say knackered.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

Knackered.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

I'm tired.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

I'm knackered.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

Sounds like it sounds like a slur it does sound kind of bad, bro.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

It sounds really tired. I'm tired. I'm knackered.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

You tired?

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

And I had like a dangerous sleep before I came over, so I went to the hotel and fell asleep.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

A forbidden nap.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

A forbidden nap. I should have done it. I woke up, my eyes were like puffy. I'm like. My glasses are on, so. Sorry.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

It's not because you're a rock star.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

It's because you're also. I'm knackered. I'm a knackered rock star. 90 years old.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

There's no such thing as a knackered rock star, man.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Nah, you should see Iggy Pop right now.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

He's like 100 years old, bro.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

I love you.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

He's still going, though.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

He's. He's, he's. He's knackered.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Rock star. He's looking pretty.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

He's not. No, he's.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

He's not.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

He's.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

He's kind of like.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

He's melting, I believe is the term.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

He's. He's melting. He's melting.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Yo, RP Speed. RP Aussie.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

Oz. Yeah, let's.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

I know that happened today, legend.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Were you on the flight when that news broke?

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

No, I was in the Uber that had a condom in the, like an open condom, side pocket. Used side pocket. Mad. That was crazy.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

You didn't take it, did you?

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

I was about to.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Was the Uber only. Was the wild. Was the label only getting you Uber X's because you scammed them into getting a more expensive flight?

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

No, they actually don't do that. No, they don't get me Uber X's. They.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

They got you the bang bus.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

They got me the big bus. Yeah, apparently.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

Well, Obi, thank you so much for joining us, cuz you could napping right now.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

I am.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

And you're a busy guy.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

The first I wanted. I really. I'm really happy to do this.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Yeah, we've been trying to make something for a minute.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

I'm. I'm a huge fan. The memes on. On Instagram.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

Thank you.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Legendary. Legendary link up, fam.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Did you know we're also a podcast?

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

I know.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

No, I know.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

We're a meme page with a podcast oriented. Speaking of fashion, Obi, let's just do a real quick, quick fit check. What did you wear today? What did you nap in? I'm assuming you napped in this fit.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

This is what I. This is what I wore. I've literally worn this. I was off the flight. Went straight to sleep in. Straight.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

That's pretty Gross, actually.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Whatever, man.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

So what are we doing?

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

What's this set here?

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

This is Camp Lab and H Town collab on the top and bottom and on the shoes. And Rita Ora vest, actually.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Oh, oh.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Shout out.

[Rubrik Ad Voice]

Wait, what?

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Rita Ora? Like Adidas?

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Don't worry about it, baby. Oh, oh, oh, no, no, no.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

She's married.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

No. Hey, sorry if it came across like that. That's not what I meant.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

That's what James meant.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Rockstar. Rockstar.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

And these sunglasses, I just got them like £12 on the street somewhere and hack me.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Nice. What about the hardware?

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

The hardware? Blue Burnham Glastonbury. My friend Celeste got me that. What's that again?

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

It's like Saturn. It's like a planet. No. Is that beams?

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

No. What are you talking about?

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

It's like a signet ring.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Come on.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Oh, Vivian Westwood.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Come on, bro, it's fifth, man. Come on, man. Jesus. Nice.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

You're the guest, bro.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

Stop, bro, stop. Testing my. Now this is my podcast. You know this.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

You know what this is?

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

What is that?

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

It's some fake.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Well, I can tell.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

What about other hand?

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Other hand, that's Aligiri. I got gifted that. And that other one I got from. It was like I bought in Paris like five years ago. Nice. And that's a cart here is by doa, a friend of mine from London.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

What about silver?

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Yeah.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

You don't do gold or you just.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

It's a silver suit. Me, I don't think really I'm a silver man. I think. I think my. I just like the way it contrasts off my skin, you know?

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Well, maybe one day you'll be platinum. I will be with that album.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

What about the stadium?

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

I'll be stadium stadium status.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Oasis will be open.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Exactly. And they from the grave.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

What about the knickers, bro?

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

What?

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

The knickers.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Oh, oh, the knickers. The knick is also.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

No, no, the pants.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Oh, my pant. Oh, exactly. Nick is a. Yeah, that's what I was getting to.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

The panties.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Yeah.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

Calvin Klein.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Oh.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

What about the belt?

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

The belt's a construction thing I think I just picked up.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Oh, nice. Yeah, it's like.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

Cuz you're a working man.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

I'm a working man. Exactly. Off the plane, Straight off the plane, into the pod.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Well, all right, let's get into me and P. You just flew in today, right?

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Yeah.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

What movies did you watch on the plane?

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

I watched. You know, I tried what I watch. Oh, wait, I remember what I watched. Actually. I watched something really interesting. I watched the. The.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

Made quite the impression yeah, it didn't, did it?

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Oh, yes. I watched Memoir of a Snail. That's why I watched. It was really good. What is that children's movie? It's not a children's movie. It's like an animation, you fucker. So as an animation is like. But it's really sad. It's like a really depressing snow die. It's pretty up. It's not about. It's not actually not about a snail. This girl who. You should watch it. It's great.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

Resounding endorsement.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Sounds fire. Do you feel like you have to watch something like, artsy fartsy on the plane? Because people might snap a pic and be like, yo, who's watching Sicario again?

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

I love Sicario. Sicario. We all do, man.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

What are you talking about, bro?

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Top one and two. You crazy?

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Maybe not two.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

Not Dave the So.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

No, listen, Sakari one is great. Carrie series also. It's not as good as one, but it's still really good.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

I agree.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

I would watch Sicario on the plane very happily.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Absolutely, bro. That's my bird dog, Alejandro. But who saw.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Who do you see?

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

We saw Nav. We saw Nat. We flew with Nav, and Nav was watching some, like, very, like. It was very funny that Nav was watching this one movie. I forget. I think it was like a Tarantino flick. Well, of course.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

It was, like, very obvious. It was an obvious choice.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Yeah.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

But you can tell when someone's watching, like, a thing to do the thing. You know what I'm saying?

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Like, to be like, oh, look at.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Look at me. I'm very cool.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Any art hoes on in first class?

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Like, no, I didn't fly. I didn't fly first class.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

What business?

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

No, because we don't spend. We don't waste money.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

Waste money? Bro, you're a rock star.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

No, no, no, no. That's not how we do it. But I don't have money to waste to start with.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

Okay.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

I think we. We flew. You were an economy regularly. Regular economy gross, bro.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

How many bag you check?

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Mind your business.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

That's what? That's too far.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

I think you should mind your business. What I think you should do. Okay.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Check your. Like, do you check instruments?

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Yes, we do. Yeah. Check instruments. Check bag.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

That's risky.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

No, no, not really. It's pretty safe.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

I feel like people get their nab, though, because the people know you're traveling with, like, good.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Now that's rock and roll.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

Okay. Getting your stolen before they.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Oh, yeah, that's rock and roll. So you can cancel with reason. Still get paid. That's what insurance for.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Sorry. Act of God.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Exactly. Exactly.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

What are we snacking on back there in row 57?

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Oh, my God. Do you know what's funny? I actually was in row 53.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Come on, big ass plane.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

That's pretty huge. Virgin Atlantic. Shout.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

Don't shout them out. They put you in economy, bro.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Whatever, bro. Next time. This is for next time, bro. This is how you build relationships.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

That's true.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

What's up, Rich?

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

What's up?

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

What's up, Dicky B?

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Let's get this man on the Dicky.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

BP job saying I put you on a pj. Yeah.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Yeah. What are you snacking on? Trail mix?

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Actually, you know, I just. I just love plain food. I love eating on.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

What.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

I love it. There's something about eating on the plane that I don't even need to be hungry to eat on the plane.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

I agree with that. But it's not good food.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

It's not good, but I just love it. I just eat. I eat whatever they give me.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Well, because it's like. It's like.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

It's like chicken. It's chicken feet. There's manure, right?

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

What was the. You got chicken, beef or pasta? Chicken, chicken, chicken.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

And I asked for seconds, cuz I.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Do you get seconds?

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Yeah, I did. The lady, she the. The witch, the. The waitress. This was really. She was cool.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Do you. What do you sip on? Do you like to drink when you fly or just water?

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Water and Coca Cola, maybe. Okay, but you know, but yeah, conserve that voice, baby. Exactly.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

What's like. Was there any. I mean, I don't know the last time, like, we flew row 53, but like, what's the.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Wait, wait, hold on a second.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

It's businesses in our contract dog. We only fly business.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Oh, yeah. Okay.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Yeah, I put.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

I'm flying myself. This is my money. Oh, I save my money.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Mom, were the heathens up back there? Like, what's like. Okay, what's like your.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Wait, you could ask you what economy is like.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

Yeah, we forget.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

This is kind of messed up.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

You got to get that pot money, bro.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

America, bro.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

What's like, your, like, biggest pet peeve behavior on planes like, mine? For me, I'll just give you an example. Maybe kill time for you to think about it. Bare feet, obviously, like, disgusting people, like, walk around bare feet. People that don't put the. People that don't put the window down and up your viewing experience. Because now.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Absolutely, absolutely.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

What's your. What's your biggest pet peeve?

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Definitely the shoes off thing is peak and annoying. And the people that just don't. They just keep going to the bathroom. Especially because this is economy. This is for the economy. People out there. People that just don't keep going to the bathroom. It's like, bro, handle your bladder, bro. Like, be an adult.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

Wear a diaper.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Hold it in, hold it into the end of the flight. Hold your shit.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

I feel like this is specific for you because you were sitting right by the bathroom. Right.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

I mean, I actually wasn't. I was. I was sat with. I had lost legroom because I was sat by the fire exit. It.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Okay, nice.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

So I was. My legs were stretched out. I was living it large. Yeah, I was definitely. Yeah, I'm a hero.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Did you ever. Did you ever have the. Just a flicker of a thought like, yo, what if I pull the exit real quick? Like, what would happen?

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

I have thought about that. Yeah.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

That's dark.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

I've thought about that because I just want to. I just want to feel the breeze in my face, man.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

Drop the top on the bo.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Feel the breeze.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

I'm like a bird.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

I want to fly away.

[Jeff Bridges]

I don't know.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

That sounded good, dude. You got it. You got it.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

I got showing Thursday. I'm going to sound good.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

That's a Nelly Furtado. First thought of that song. I want to take this plane down.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

Well, now you're on a no fly list. Congratulations.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Yes. Thank you. You're welcome.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

As soon as you got here, we started assaulting you with the British slang. I mean, do you ever, like, what do you think of Americans? Certain Americans are Anglophobia from across the pond. I mean, talking bloke core. We're talking. I'm sure you've seen a million soccer jerseys between hotel and here. Splitting the G. Love island. I think it's kind of haircuts.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

I think it's kind of cute. Yeah, I think it's cute. The sockets, this football thing. Oh, my God, I said something. I mean, I'm not full. I don't really watch football because I don't give a. About sports.

[Rubrik Ad Voice]

Really.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

No, no, really.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

He's an artist, not a job.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

I couldn't care. I couldn't care less about. Why would I go and watch someone play a thing?

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Yeah, you're right.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

Why don't I watch a grown man play?

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Exactly. Why would I do that? Like, I play music and thank you, hallelujah. I would not. I'm not. I'm not really a sports guy like that. I mean, I. I know what's going on, but I I' play football. Than actually, like, okay, watch someone play.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

If you get bullied for not being a sportsman.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

No, I'm cool. Okay. You like? How dare you.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

Wait, so you're flattered with like, people over here right now? Like, the obsession I'm into.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

It's cute. I mean, it's like, oh, look at the Americans playing football, little bro. I'm saying it's like. It's just. It's like watching kids dance.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

What about splitting the G? You see that?

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Yeah, that's just. Yeah, like, I love doing that when it's like a nice. It's a nice conversation. You start.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Okay. Okay. Split the G. Yeah, I think football fever, I think is heating up here.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

What's your team? What do you support?

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Everton.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

I'm glad you didn't say Arsenal, because everyone is Arsenal.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Arsenal.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Okay, cool. Arsenal. Don't say Arsenal.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

You're. You're a gooner.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

I'm a goner. Yeah. I'm a go.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

He's a real gooner. You hear first.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Is Arsenal good?

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

What?

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

They the bed. They're habitual.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

I have no idea what's going on. You tell me. Like you. I don't know.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

I watch American football.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

It's so lame.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

I want my players with cte. I want them to murder suicide inside their families. I want them to pull the emergency exit on the play.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Like American football is. I'm really into that. I'm really. The idea of it, you know, the rules, just. I don't have no idea. Like running into each other. I reckon I'd be really good at like playing American football because I'm really quick.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

You're pretty. You're pretty.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

You're like a wide receiver. Do you know a position. You probably don't even know what position.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

That is, but wide receiver, bro. Sure. You work out long? Long distance? Thorough. What?

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Yeah, that's what.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

I don't even know what.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

That's a euphemism for John Elway with.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Another long distance throw.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

Vaguely sexual. I don't know.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Don't know what's happening. Defensive right back.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

Okay.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Defensive. Was that. Is that defensive forward?

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Kind of.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

That's like football. We're talking about football now. I don't know what's going on. I have football. I don't. I don't make it up. Let's. Let's start our own sport.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Let's do it.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Pause. Hey, yo.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Exactly. That's a American.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

That's an American thing. It's like. It's really cool. Yeah.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

What?

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Like Americanisms have been glizzy.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

That's my thing.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Glizzy.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

I love saying glizzy. It, bro. It's. It's poetic. Is it? I think so. I love the word glizzy. And I also love a glizzy for.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

You're talking about the hot dog glizzy. Not like the up the pole glizzy.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

No, the. The hot dog. The hot dog glizzy.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

Gotcha.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

The hot dog. Lizzy.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

For you guys, that's a. That's b. A banger. That's a banger, right? Like bangers and mash. A sausage. A glizzy kind of.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Right? Am I. It's quite a sausage. People don't even say bangers and mash. They don't? Not really.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

Oh, damn.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

It's like a specific type of bangers and mash. It definitely is a thing where people don't really say banger. Okay. You know, it's like, can I get a banger?

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

Well, they ask you that, the label.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Hits you up and asks, yo, where's the banger? Like, leave me alone, man. I'll try it again.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Obi, we're gonna need two bangers. Yeah. Asap. Are you used to sing with an American accent?

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

I used to rap with an American.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

You rap in America? We kind of got a little bit like, what's. What is the American accent? Can we hear your American accent right now?

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

You know, I'm kind of. What did I say? Can we kill him? I can't do it. When. When people put me on the spot to do it. I can't do it.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Can I have a gun?

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Can I have a gun?

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

Yes.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Yes, you can.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

Thank you for asking. We got complimentary.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

There's one right there. That's huge. I walked in, I was like, what the is that?

[Libsyn Ads Voice]

Yeah.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

Welcome to America.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

America.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

That's a gun, bruv.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

That's a. That's a.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

What? That is a blower.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

That's a. That's a Uzi, brother.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

Gun culture aside, what bugs you out about America? Like, what legitimately scares your president right now? Well, yeah.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Shout out Jonah Trump, bro.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

Shout out this guy hate.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Don't ice me, bro. Please. Thanks.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Yeah.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Okay.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

The president for sure.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Cut that one out.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Of the files.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

What?

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

I don't.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

The culture.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

The culture.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Forget the accent actually weirds me out. Loki still.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Yeah, bro.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

It's kind of weird. I. I like. It's weird, man.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

What do British influencer girlies sound like? Because the. The American influencer girly, she has, like, the up talk.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

It's kind of like, I don't I don't roll in those circles. My circles are quite cool. So I don't.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

What's your. What's your Instagram explore page look like?

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Oh, a lot of jiggling things. Oh, a lot of jiggle on my explosion. A lot of jiggle bouncing things.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Do you think that because I think, bro. Do you think that that's. Because it's. Does that reflect your viewing habits or is that what IG like, kind of knows? Even if it's not. Like, I don't follow these thoughts, but there's certain.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

I think it's a conspiracy, bro, against you. I think it tells me like, they just want to. Just want to. When you go, you know, when you open your phone to go get someone's Instagram, I think they just want to you over. Oh, that works in my favor. Because if I'm getting someone's Instagram, you're like, oh, cool.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

They don't want you to connect with people. They want you to be socially isolated.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Yeah, exactly. Yeah, exactly.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Mark Zuckerberg, we got you, bro. We know you're on the Epstein files, bro.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Absolutely. Easy. Come on.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

So we got one number one on.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

This cover, the Trump and then Maxbox.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

In terms of frequent absolute flyer miles.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Yeah.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

I love that you think there's a conspiracy to keep you horny 24 7.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Like, I think that's what they're trying to do. Like, look, I know you want this.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Yeah, exactly.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

I know you want to look at Jiggle.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

How's your screen time?

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

I know you want to jiggle.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

How's your screen time looking?

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

It's pretty bad. Yeah, I'm addicted to my phone. Like, but no, I don't know how it happened, but I'll be on my phone. I'd be like, why am I still on this thing?

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

Yeah, are you doom scrolling? Like, what are you doing?

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

I'm addicted to YouTube. Okay.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

What do you watch on YouTube?

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Random things. Like, like, Well, I watched like the last time I watched on YouTube was this on my way back from the airport and I watched the Fantastic Four review.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Okay.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

A review of the movie.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Review of the movie.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

Are you like a Marvel guy? Are you?

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

No, it's just a thing to watch. I'm fucked. I'm actually, I'm addicted. Help me, please. My name is Obi and I'm addicted to YouTube.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Is it clobbering time?

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

I have an addiction to YouTube. It's actually crazy. I watch so much stuff on YouTube. I was like, a lot of like, like long form movie essays, things like that.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Like, and then I. And then I hail a snail or whatever.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Yeah. And I follow quite a lot of American news things. Okay, what's like, American news? Like, YouTube channels. What's it called? Midas. The Midas touch thing. A lot of that stuff. So I watch. That ends watching a bunch of stuff about America, not the bee.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

Is that not depressing, considering this country is, like, in one?

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

It's like. It's not obviously not fun, but it's like.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

It's like, I don't live here. I don't give a damn. No, no, I'm saying you. I live.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Clearly. You are. Yeah. You're knackered.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

Yeah, totally.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

You're totally knackered. You're knackered, bro. It's very interesting to me because it's. It feels like watching, like, a TV series. So. Yeah.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

How are they gonna fuck this up?

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

There's so much, like. There's so much drama.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

Yeah.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

It's like. It's every day, it's like, Trump's done this, that. Two hours later, Trump. Oh, my God. Trump's done this. And it's like. It's like, constant. There's a constant wave of things that are happening, and I just find that super interesting.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

But watching the members of Parliament be like.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

I'd say step down.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Happens. That happens once every. Like, really doesn't happen every day. Like, it's not as. It's not as dramatic as the. Like, America is, like, America, things are happening. The Epson files. Not now. Like, they're talking about.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Whoa, whoa, whoa, bro. I don't know what you're talking about. Those don't exist.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Yeah, yeah. What is that?

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

Nice try, bro.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

What? Epsteini, cut that. Zip, zip.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

That's big, bro.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

That's Jeffrey. Yo, bro. Yo, that's Unk, dog. That's. That's my travel agent. Watch what you said.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

That's my ride.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Home economy prime. Economy plus. Yeah.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

All right, so you are addicted to YouTube, and I'm addicted to you.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

And the demise of the.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Not even necessary is that, you know, when you just get on the reels and end up on. Just reading you.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

You on Tik Tok or just real?

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

I'm not. It's reals, man. I'm not really a Tik Tok guy. I need to figure that out. I'm sorry. My thing.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Just keep.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Just go.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

You just go.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Just continuously. Just keep going.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

You just go. And you'll never emerge.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Honestly, have you seen those. Those videos where it's like. It's like. Like, stop scrolling now and go. To sleep. Like, I get that far.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

Get that concept.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

I get that far down.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

What's your screen time? Like?

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

What are you talking? Like, when it comes. When the notification comes. I just. I just. I just close.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

That's a good way to deal with your bro.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Yeah. Because you know what? Like, why would you. Why would I want to indulge with that? You, man. Why are you telling me what I'm doing?

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

What's the longest you could go without your phone, you think?

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Oh, I can go quite long if I'm. If I'm writing, if I'm in that kind of space.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

Oh, you're in the zone. You're locked in.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

I'm blocked here, But I don't. My. My drummer said this to me the other day. He's like, you're. You kind of. Your battery is always dying. And he said, you're. You're probably. You'd probably subconsciously do that because you don't want to be with your phone. So when my battery dies, it's like, okay, cool, That's. That's done.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

It's like, all right, guys, we can start, right?

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Exactly. Exactly. Exactly.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

So two bangers coming up.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Exactly. So I don't. I don't care. I don't need to have my phone constantly. I don't respond to message. I'm really bad at.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

You're a bad texter.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

I'm a horrible text.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

Like, horrible.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

So I'd be on my phone, I'd see it come in. I'll see your call coming. I'd be like, I'll close it. And I just keep scrolling on reels. Damn, that's pretty terrible. I don't do anything product on my phone. I don't look at my email. I'm pretty. I'm terrible.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

What's your email address?

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

You don't want to know about it.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

What?

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

You don't want to know by at gmail dot com.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Oh, yeah. Okay.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

Are you sure you want.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Hit them up.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

You're not gonna get a response, but feel free.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

That's obviously not my email address. Oh, okay. Jesus Christ. You fell for that?

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

I mean, I don't know, dude, this chat.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Why would I just throw my email address to the. To the general pubs.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

We're big suckers.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

To the civilians.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

To the civils. Yeah.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

To row 54, 53. No, but the. You're. But the people behind you.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Oh, nice.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Yeah.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

They don't deserve your good save when you move.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

You grew up in Nigeria until you moved to the UK when you were 17. What was the biggest Culture shock when you touched down on the Queen's territory.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Yeah. Do you know what's funny? I didn't really. When I. And this is the first time I thought about this because people ask me this question all the time and I know, I didn't care, bro. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. This is good. This is good.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Thank you.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

I just remembered that when I. When I first moved here, I didn't realize that people had different color eyes. So this girl I used to. I like, I was working at this, this, this kind of like sports center, and this girl, she just had blue eyes. Like, like lots of white girls have blue eyes.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Sure.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

And I was like, my God, your eyes are so beautiful. I'd like, I was like, I was infatuated by this girl. Like the first time I saw him seen blue eyes.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

Is that like the white girl?

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

That's the white girl equivalent. Can I touch your hair?

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Can I touch your dick? Did you smash yo? No, I didn't actually. She was like, yeah. Cool.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

What the. So you so seeing white people for the first time.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

What the.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

It wasn't white people, like, more than her eyes were.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Their eyes are blue. They don't wash their legs.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Your eyes. I. I was like, oh my God, you got so beautiful eyes. No, you haven't got beautiful. This is an example. Okay. This is.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

I know, but I did.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Yeah, you have. It's all right. It's cool. Yeah.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Take your shades off.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

That so was the eyes that got you.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Yeah. And I was like. And the blue. I was, my. I was like. I thought she was the most beautiful girl I ever seen in my life, but she was mid. In retrospect, very, very right. Like I'm like, like, you know, but she was beautiful. We were beautiful. Yeah. What.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

What would Dr. Umar say, bro? He got hypnotized by the snow.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

I was, I was, I was. Yeah, I was. I was completely infatuated. And she'd like, she'd be saying to her friends, like, he thinks my eyes are so beautiful. Because she knew that her eyes were just like average. I was, I was definitely like gassing up. Yeah.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Too much.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

Okay.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

And that's my, that's why I remember about my culture, how beautiful white girls eyes were.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

How quickly did you realize that white people don't wash their legs?

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

I only found this out recently. You.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Is that crazy on reels? Oh, you saw, you saw Lawrence's Instagram.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

I wash my legs.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

How do you. Okay, that's a. Show me how you wash your legs.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

Well, I'm happy You asked that.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

No, I.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

That's exactly what a non leg washer would say.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

I use. I use bar soap and I wash my legs.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Like, okay, show me how you wash your legs.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

I would, like, be, you know, I scrub and get them all lathered up.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

And then that's only, like, part of your leg.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

I'm not like, exfoliating. I'm not gonna lie.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

You go and you go under your feet.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

Yeah, yeah, wash my feet for sure.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

You don't do that. You didn't. That was not in your demonstration.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

How many times I fall in the shower because my feet were so slippery from all the soap I use on the bottom of my feet.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

But how'd you. You go underneath like that?

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

Yeah, of course.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

You go between your toes.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

Not that much.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

I don't have. Gross. I don't believe you, bro.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

I know that you're wearing flip flops. Lawrence, you gotta start going between the toes, okay?

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

I'm on trial here.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Okay?

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

This is bullshit.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

What do you.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Okay, so you're ensconced fully in London town, man. What do you miss the most about Nigeria?

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

Really?

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Anything.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Stop it, bro. I lived in Nigeria. I really. I love Nigeria. Like, I. But I don't miss the. Like, I don't miss food. Yeah, don't.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

People say that London has bad Nigerian food?

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

But I like his food. Like, what if I like. I don't. That's not a thing I miss. Like, I don't.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

I'm.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

I'm the. I'm the kind of person, and my friends will tell you this. I don't. There's no looking back. There's never looking back.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

It's a decent mindset to have when I get back.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

When I go back to Nigeria, I'm like, oh, my God. This is, you know, the energy of the place.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Everyone washes their legs.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

More hygienic, obviously.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

One eye color.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

I don't. I don't like. Oh, my God. I missed this about the place because it's like, I grew up in a very. I grew up in. I was. I didn't grow up rich or well, to do.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Were you in Katie?

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

I was in Calabar.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Okay.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

So my Nigerian experience was not something like, I think back and be like, oh, my God, I wish I went back to Nigeria.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

You, like, escaped it in your mind.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Yeah, I got out the hood, bro. I was out.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

Out the trenches.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

I'm not. I don't miss being in the trenches. Trenches, bro. Like, it's not the trenches. Trenches, right? No electricity, trench adjacent. That's not, you know, I don't miss that.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

That sounds like the trenches, by the way.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

I mean. Yeah, but the trenches is trenches to dip. Trenches is different.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Okay.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

I think trenches is just like.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

It's all relative, I guess.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Violence, okay. My thing wasn't violence. I don't miss that. I miss, like, my family. But I kind of. I see my family because they come over and, you know, I've got my family. I live my mom. Like, I don't live my mom. Is that why he's got it? I do. My mom's in London and my brother.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Do you live with your mom?

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

I don't.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Okay.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Can you imagine?

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

That's exactly.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Yes.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

You just said what a mom liver would say.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

I don't think I'm too. I'm too independent to live with anyone, I don't think. Even a partner. Right.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Is it true you think East London is whack?

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Who told you this?

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

I've watched.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

We did research.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

I. I'm addicted to YouTube just like you are.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Right. Okay. I think. I think East London. I don't think it's whack. I think it's. It's become very pretentious. It's become a thing. Like, you walk. Okay, so.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Oh, you're a Cafe Sicilian.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

I'm saying, it's like everyone. Everyone puts up. It's like a fashion show. It's like, I'm going. You're. You leave your house to go to the shop. You have to, like.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

And that's corny to you.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

I think it was like, why, bro? Just be. It's like. It's like influencer central. Everyone is like a thing. Everyone works in music, everyone works in fashion, everyone.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

So it's a scene. It's a.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

It's a scene Every. It's like, you can't. You can't leave. You can't sit down for a coffee. I was. So I lived in. I lived in London, in Hackney for like six months. In East London? Yeah, like six months. Because with my ex, it was. There was a moment where she had to stay at the flat and I had to move out because we'd broken up and, you know, and she left.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

Messy.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

It wasn't that messy. It was something that we. Right, okay. I moved out my flat in south to go somewhere else so she can be, you know, until she found a place to live.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

The lady doctor.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

I was in Hackney for like a couple months or like. Like two, three or six. I don't know. I can't remember. And I'd go for a coffee in. In London fields and just on to and to read my book and just like have a morning to myself. And you'd run into like 10 people on this in the span of like 30 minutes of being stopping chat. And everyone's like, everyone's like, oh, hey man, like, yo, what are you up to? Just pull up and like sit down. There's like, hey Obi, good to see you, man. And just sit down. Like, bro, like, get the out of here. But I just need. Yeah, no offense. If you want to see me, I love you.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

If you're one of his many fake friends.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Allow it. Just allow it, man. Like sometimes just allow people.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

If the man's reading, just have my coffee, bro.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Like, you don't have to sit next to me and talk to me.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

You don't like, were people like sucking up to you or trying to like change my friends.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

It's like sometimes like when you are. It's like going. When you meet, you bump someone at the train. On the train or like at the train station and then. And they walk and you, you say hello and they come into the train with you and sit next to you. Oh, like, bro, like, come on, man, give us some space.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

Headphones.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Yeah, but I, I.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

You're too polite.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

No, I don't want to keep. What? I just, I don't even know you that well, bro. Like, why are we, why are we talking? What are we talking about?

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

Yeah, right.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Honestly, the best. This episode's gonna be six months.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

You gotta cut it.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

The best thing in the world. And what's funny is the last time I had a full time job, I worked with Genesis. Who's the lovely Genesis who's here in the room with us?

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Very lovely. And what's your top say for you? Dominica, Dominican Republic? I'm shout out to Dr. That's Rip.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

What? No.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

The best thing you do with the coworker.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

I was gonna say rip and then I said, dude.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

All right, it's cool, dude.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Shout out.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

Brain.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

My creative brain is just constant.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

That coffee is hitting you hard, bro. I know.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

I'm feeling myself.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

I want to go back to.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

I'm going to tell Cruz it's time to jump on the table.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

Having a man.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

These tables are. Will not be able to hold you, bro. What's the most Nigerian thing about you besides this crazy energy you're keeping right now?

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

I think it's probably that. There you go. Yeah. Is the energy very. You know, it's the most Nigerian thing about me. I'm, I'm a, I'M a worker. I'm. I'm a hustler. I think I just. I'm a survivor. That's like.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

Scammer.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

I want all the smoke, bro. Aon pull up on me. Yeah, he's a scammer. He. He said he was going to build a new, like, a city. Yeah. City in Africa.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Built on, like, special, like, he's like.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

Yeah, we'll build it on vibranium, like Wakanda.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

He said he's going to build it on cryptocurrency. Yeah.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Yeah.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

He's going to actually mine the cryptocurrency by himself. Idiot.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

Soul survivor.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Yeah. What? Idiot. I don't. I don't. We don't.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

We don't.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Acorn over here. No, he's from wherever he's from. Acorn. Acorn. Land Acon.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

He's from Wakanda.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

He's from Land Aonia. Do you think Nigeria's influence on Main street music has reached its full potential? Like, it feels like it's been influential for a minute, but, like, could it.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

I mean, it's always been, though, like, Nigeria. I mean, Nigeria has always had its moment. I went back from. From, like, I guess Afrobeats with Kalakuti and, you know, like, high life at a certain point after Ghana.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

Yeah.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Diplo gentrified.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

You guys went crazy. Rip. Yeah.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Riplo.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

I don't know.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Yeah, he's up there with Ozzy Osborne remixing War Pigs.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Yeah.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Crazy Train.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

You're in your first.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

He's making the EDM Crazy train up in the big sky.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Breaking y. It's always been a thing. I think it's just like. I don't think it's. I don't think it's. It's maxed out. I think it's going to continue to do its thing. I'm. I'm very. I'm kind of like, really excited to see what South Africa does with I'm a Piano.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

What's the. What's that genre called?

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

I'm a Piano? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I feel like. But I feel like Nigerians have taken the I'm a Piano thing and turned it into like an Afro. Afrobeat thing. It's like a weird. Become like this really weird things, like. But I. I can appreciate the sharing of genre just, you know. Yeah.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

Who, like, for people listening at home that want to, like, get into this genre. Who do you like? Who are the top dogs right now.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

In your opinion in Nigeria? Yeah. Or maybe even there's people, man. The top dogs are top dog. But people. I Like, there's people I like and people I love.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

What do you like?

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

I'm into. I. I really like Grandma. I think Grandma is really good. I like BoJ. I like Udumu. I like Santi and Udunci Nahud. The whole of that kind of like Altair community. Those are. Those are things that I find inspiring and like, interesting. Everything else is just whatever. Cool. It's cool. It's good, you know, like the big dogs are the big dogs anyway, what they put out, it's gonna be good.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

Like a Burner Boy.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Yes. It's like, it's just like he's already a global icon, but that's like, whatever. That's cool, right? There's already my.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

You know, the best moment recently was when Burner Boy was at Wireless festival and he's like, is this. Is this the main stage?

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Yes, to a certain level. And you're just blowing.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Of course I wouldn't then. That's not a thing that excites me.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Right, so. So is. Is the Nigerian sound kind of like locked as like how we know it or. Or is it still innovating?

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

No, it's so. I think it's. It's like what the science you guys. And we don't see guys are doing is. Is. Is a evolution of what has been before.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Okay.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

And. And where it's. And how the exposure to what is. Is tacking on to what has been.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

Is that how you see your own music as well?

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

I mean, my thing is. My thing is just goated in itself, you know? Do you know blood smoke up my own ass. But like, I think my thing is completely. It's a fresh take on what that. I. I say my music is post Afro because it's a completely new take on what that can be. Where it's. Where. Where it is going next.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Do you get like, how do you feel when like, like critics or people writing about you are like, oh, he's like, we can't. He's so impossible to define his genre.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

I hear it though. I hear it. I. I know that.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Do you like that or do you like.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

I don't care. I mean, I don't like or don't not like it. It's just like, is this a thing? And I. I guess I kind of also grapple with it within myself because I'm like, okay, cool. I'm trying. I also try. I'm trying to fine tune what it is that my thing is. Yeah, but there's. There's still time to do that.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

It's constantly evolving.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

We're constantly evolving. But, like, we're also fine tuning. Right.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Right.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

And we'll get to. And when we get to the point where it becomes what it is, then it will be what it is.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Do you like, do you think that every project like paradise now will kind of jump around? Genre. Genre or like. Section that's my section.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

It's not the thing. That thing is not a thing that is done. It's not done. What's the word I'm looking for? I don't do it.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

It's not consciously.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Yeah.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Okay.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

I don't do it intentionally.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

It's not a conscious decision.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

So something that just happens as naturally being made. Yeah.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

I mean, but I think when your phone's dead.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Yeah. So it's not. All I have is brain power. Crazy.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

You're like, guys, the last YouTube video I watched was some, like, some dub status.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

It.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Let's make a dubstep song.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

Writing songs about Fantastic Four.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

The thing is. Yeah, the same thing is that is like, I don't go in and say, okay, let's make it this song.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

Okay.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

We just make a song. Really?

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

The influences, that must be so frustrating for your bandmates.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

No, but it's not because. Not really because we start making a thing. Everyone's influences and what their idea of the take of what is going on becomes. What is. I mean, so for instance, if, if I start playing a riff or playing a, like a drum pattern or whatever. Yeah, whatever. The other person's take on what it is I'm doing. So to them, it could be like, okay, you're making a. This is a, like a rock and roll thing. I might not think it is a rock and roll thing, but they might think so. So their idea of what to do with that would then. But something that comes off, everyone's interpreting comes in and. Exactly. And then. So. Exactly. So we're not intentionally being like, okay, this is our take on what we is happening in the room at the moment. Yeah.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

I'm saying, is that how your song creation process typically is? You just. Which starts with the instrumentation. I mean, I, I versus like, lyrics and like, it depends, man.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

If you're in the studio. So I work like, my, my stuff is mainly with like, producers and stuff. And then we bring musicians in later on or depending on what's needed. But before, before that happens, before that process happens, I usually just like, sit on my sofa, play the guitar, write some songs. Like, if I'm walking, it comes. It comes. It comes in with lots of different things happen at different moments, you know, so I can just like wake up in the morning and have like an idea for a song or have like a subject I want to talk about and go into it that way and then start with the lyrics and then figure out the melody layer or start with the, you know, like a riff or something. Something. And then come with lyrics later. So those things kind of just happen. Or we could be in the studio, we're just jamming out, just messing around on instruments, and then something comes from that. So there's no. There's no one particular.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

No formula.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

There's no formula. There shouldn't be. That's not music making. Just like. That's like you're in a factory or something.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

Okay.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

I mean, is there though any genre that you would one day love to try and tackle or incorporate into your. Or.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

No, because when you start to think about things like, okay, I want to make. Make this kind of thing. You've already it. Because, mate, you can't. You can never make any kind of thing. I'm saying you can't make any kind of thing. You can. I. I think if you're trying to replicate something that is. That is already been you. That's. You've already failed. Like the thought of that. You've already failed because you should. It's your take on it.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Yeah.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

And your understanding of the thing that already exists, rather than you be like, oh, look at that shiny thing. I'm going to recreate it. Right. That's not. You're not an artist. You're just some guy that can draw.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

Are these lessons you like learned over time or is this kind of always been your process?

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

I'm just too. I've got. My ego is too big to try copy something. I think I've always been. It's always been that way, but I think. But that's for the. I think that's for the best because you're not trying to imitate. You're. It's almost. You're trying to add on to what you've gotten from the thing that you. You're into. Like, what's my. The things you're. The. Your taste, for instance, in like clothes or fashion or whatever. The right. Is based off of your understanding of taste. What you think is cool is based. It's like because of what your. The information that you've gathered across.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

It's inspiration versus, like interpretation, which is. We had a previous guest, Ian Isaiah, who's a musician.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Talk about this shirt. I wouldn't wear this Shirt. Personally.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

It'S actually based on a napkin.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

I'd like to see you try from.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

A Parisian cafe, but you see what I'm saying? So that. That decision is based off of why you. That. Why that makes sense to you and why you would be like, okay, this is mix. I can wear this because it's cool, and I know it's cool, even if it comes from this other thing.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

No, I mean, that's.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

It just proves my point. There's absolutely classes and sessions.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

There's absolutely similarities between, like, called personal style and creating music or any sort of art where it's like, yeah, you could just, like, copy and paste or you can, like, just figure it out on your own.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Yeah, but if you're copying and pasting, you're just an idiot.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Do you. Do you think a lot of people are copying pasting?

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Absolutely.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

These days?

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Absolutely. I mean, but it's not. But it's not. That's not my business. Do whatever you want to do. That's not my thing. I'm not gonna. You can.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Have you ever have. Have people ever tried to make your business? Have you ever felt pressured.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

No.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

By external forces to be like, yo, Obi, man, like, saw this. Like, you saw what King Cruel's doing over there.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Yeah, but I wouldn't be. I wouldn't even be around that. Like, yeah, I mean, like, I wouldn't be in it. I wouldn't be in an environment where someone would be able to tell me that.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Is that you've intentionally insulated yourself from, like, show.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

And I tell you who you are. Like, there's no way. There's no room. I've been where someone be like, obi, you should do what King CR Is doing. Who the are you? Why are you here?

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

Get the out.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Who's this guy?

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

Who is this?

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Where did you come from? Because the people, like, my. My taste in people reflects the people that are around me. So the people that I, you know, I have around me are people that are a creator.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

You've had to boot a snake out the inner circle.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

But I haven't had to.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

Okay. No white boy with beautiful eyes needed to get out the studio.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

That's good to know.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

You're a good judge of character.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Yes, I think so.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

So you never, like, there were never friends that as you got more famous and gained a profile that they.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

I don't think.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

I don't think I'm getting.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

Well, you're more famous than a lot.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Of people, but it's all relative, bro. But famous is different. It's like the idea of famed. But I think maybe it's the word famous. The word famous implies like.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

Can you just walk around in London though?

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

No. You got a lot of friends that want to sit down and have a coffee with you?

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Yeah, we're kind that, bro. Yeah.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Oh, sorry. I don't know what we're talking about.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

I have lost track what it's saying.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

This is crazy.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Release the open.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

So no one switched up or changed like you?

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

No, I think because your stars. It's like it's the. It's the. It's the orbit. My orbit isn't that like, I'm not like people aren't coming attracted to me because of what I have to give. I came here on economy, bro. What are you like. Why are you leashing off me, you know?

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

Yes. For a second flight.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Exactly.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

Second meal on the flight.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Excuse me.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

It's not like.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

It's not like I'm. I'm surrounded by people that are like after a thing probably.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

What about girls, though?

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

That's not because of who I am. Just because I'm sexy. Sorry.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

And you're like, they could chill all day.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

That's fine. That's.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

Bring them around. Bring a friend.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

They don't even got to watch their couple. All right, if we're not. If we link up in London.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Yeah, yeah.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

We're not going to chill in East London together.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

I'm probably will chill. No, no, no, no, no. I'm not saying Hackney. The people. I never said that. Get a loading this guy.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Where are we going? Where are we kicking it?

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Where do we. I mean, I would like. Okay, we probably will go to somewhere in. In Dawson. If we're going to. If we're going to like on a night out having drinks, we probably go to like three.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

It's called 1, 2, 3. What do you sip on when you're enjoying imbibing wine?

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Tequila. Tequila, man. That's my drink of choice. Because it's just a vibe, man. It wakes you up.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

Tequila drinker would say.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Tequila soda. Like, I haven't drank in like a month. Like, that would be my drink of choice if I want straight tequila soda.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Tequila soda.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Okay.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

He's watching his figure.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Or I took you in the shorts and what?

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

We're going dancing. What are we doing?

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Yeah, we're going dancing.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Hell yeah. Straight dancing. Like, no pre game. No, like dinner. Like we're just.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

I don't get the pregame things. Like, why. Let's go get drunk at the place.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

That's a fair.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Why'd you want to go like you get drunk and then now you're in the car like.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

Okay, right, right.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

And then you either go there and stand, you know, be in the vibe.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

That's a great point.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

But I don't really go out to places though. I'm not like a. I don't go to venues and things. I don't. I go to like.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

What are you like a home chiller? Like when you are.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

I'm more. I'm more of a home chilling guy. Or we go to a bar, a few friends and then somewhere else. Someone's house.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

Okay. House party after.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

I like.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

That's the vibe.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Got it.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

What. When you're recording an album though, you do go like. You do go sober. You stop drinking, you stop smoking.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Yeah, I mean, I tried to stop smoking, but like I. I'm failing very horribly on this particular run because you try Zin, bro. I don't. I don't like that, man. That freaks me out.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Really.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

It helped me quit smoking like effectively way.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

But like what? I. I just. I don't think I'm addicted to nicotine. I think I'm just addicted to the doing of the thing. The. The.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

The smoking. Smoking of the cigarette, the blasting of the dark.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

The cigarettes.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

You're addicted to cigarettes?

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

I'm addicted to cigarettes.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

You're not it.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

I like the doing of the thing.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

I like the cigs. You're addicted to smoking.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

The rich.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Yeah, exactly. I like the. I like the thing. So I have. I like when usually, I mean, when I got here, I had a cigarette, but I got completely cut out when I'm about to go into like. I stopped drinking. Stop smoking.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Oh, that's why you're on.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

You're on your health right now. Because you're working.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

You gotta lock.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Yeah. I mean you've got like, vocally you just gotta be like ready and like energy wise, everything's gotta be lit. So you can't. I can't. You know, people can do whatever they want. That's not my vibe. I don't need to be. Because I just don't wanna. For me, it's like, I don't wanna. If I do a show that's not good, I don't want to be like, ah. I wanna. I don't want to have a reason to.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

You don't want to compromise the product.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Ex. I try to do everything I can to cow when you.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

When you do turn in the album or when, you know, tour raps like. What's that? First night back with devices. What's that looking like we go crazy?

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Are we like, well, move like moving forward. Hopefully it's not like, that's not the. So I did that. I've kind of done that thing where I was like, okay, cool. I'm going to not do this for this amount of time. And then because at the end of it, I'm going to go hard. Yeah. I think I need to kind of start not looking at it in that way and kind of looking at it in a way.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

Find a balance.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Yeah. Do you know, like, that's cool. Okay. If I'm going to. Okay. I don't have to. To end the thing with a massive thing. Yeah. I'm looking forward to getting bus. You know, that's not the vibe. Getting up, dude. Yeah.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Celibacy when you're doing the. Or is that.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

You know what? Currently I'm on the celibacy thing. No, but it's just like, not because I'm. I want to. I just like, I just. I can't be bothered obviously, in this space where I just like, okay, like, that's not the thing for me right now.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

You can't be arsed.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

I can't be arsed.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Well, you can't be distract. Like, is it a distraction? Is it too much of your time?

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

It's not even that. I just can't be bothered.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

What does that. What does that mean?

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

I'm just like, okay, I'm in my. I'm just working. I. Currently, I'm just like.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

So we're not mixing business with pleasure.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Not even. I was like, currently, I'm just like, I'm just celibate. So I make it become a thing when it's not really a thing.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

You're too busy.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Not even. It's just like, I'm okay. Too busy to bust. The reason is. The reason is the honest. God's honest truth is because I'm trying to. I'm trying to like, just be a decent human being and. And be a lot more respect. Not respectful, but a lot more like, considerate about. Of the relationships I'm building with people moving with maturity. Yeah. And not having it necessarily be constantly about like, oh, look, we can bro. Yeah, girl. Hey, yo.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

No, we get it.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Girls are bros too.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Yeah. Yeah. So it's like I. The hoes are bros. And I guess I'm in that. In that way. Over the last couple months, I've kind of been. Had to face myself in that.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

Oh, sure.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

In that way.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Was it like.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Not just like a bunch, you know, you. You been, you know, I've been single for, like, three years now. And in that time, I've run ragged.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

Active.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

I've run ragged, you know, and then. But I guess East London, there's only so much. There's only so much. I mean, you have to come. You have to face yourself at some point. Yeah.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

This man ran out of.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

No. Her.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

All the birds.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

And it's not. It's not cool, man. It's not. It's not a cool thing. Especially when seriously, you know, you're. You're losing. You're not building relationships with people because you're just doing this and doing that. That you're constantly moving without any, like, emotional attachment, you know? So I think for me, and why I've been celibate, you know, this last month is because I've. I've come to terms. I've come. A month.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

It's been sold over a month.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Yeah, I mean, I had to.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

We're not shedding any tears for you, bro.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

This man was celibate for 21 years.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

That's not true. I lost my virginity when I was 16.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

A month. A month is a month in.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

That's a long time for you.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

That just not. No, it's not even that. It's not. Because it's not about. It's not about the celebrity. Celebrity, celebrity, celebrity. It's not about celebrity. It's not about that. It's more about the. It's like, how are you interacting with people? It's like, what is the. Well, how are you? What's what? You. What is the. If you meet someone, you're like, okay, I'm interested in you. I want to. I want. If I don't like your vibe, I don't like your. But that's it. It's not about. I don't have to. We don't have to. It doesn't have to be a sexual constant. Right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We can just be cool.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Yeah.

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[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Have these. Have these changes you've tried to implement in yourself. Have you started to see returns on them?

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Like, of course.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Because then you have all parts of life.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Yeah. Because you have friends, sense, and you have. You're not like, you're not looking at everyone as this.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

Cheeks to beat.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Yeah, I mean, you know, things become like more deep, deeper than, you know, surface, you know, so you're getting to know people rather than like or actually if you like, know if you really like someone.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

So there's a moment where you're just like, I gotta log out of riot, bro.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Yeah, I mean, I mean, absolutely, because you're just. You're just kind of being an idiot.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

I gotta stop treating women like commodities.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

I didn't do that. I never did that. That's. That's you. That's you.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

That's like a dating app thing, right?

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Yeah, yeah.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Left, left, right.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

The gamification becomes.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Yeah, it becomes. It comes. The whole thing becomes gamified. And why are we talking about this for so long?

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

It's crazy. Because it's really interesting.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

It's interesting.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Do you find the. This slight, you know, introspective moment you're having or not slight, but it's been a short amount of time.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Time.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Does this affect your music at all?

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

I'm like, no, it hasn't. No, it doesn't have anything.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

This is just you.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

This is just me. Like, it's growing up, man. I think it comes.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

I love that for you, dude.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Yeah. Because you want to just be like, you want to be. You want to be sick. You're like a sick human being, like all well rounded and you need to. At some point you need to come, you need to speak, approach. Approach your self growth. Yeah, you need to approach yourself. You need to like, yeah, I'm happy for you, dude.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

This is honestly, this is deep. In a good way. Sincerely, truly.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

I mean, another big change that seems like you went through in life. You grew up religious, but you know, when you started going to uni, you kind of lean away from it. What? Damn.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Done your research, my dog.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

What made you realize that God is ass?

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

I was having an argument with my friend on the shop floor because I worked. I worked in the shop in Norwich called Dogfish. It's like they sell dog, dog, fish. Oh, come on, man.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

What type of store is it?

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Like they've like stussy, like Carhartt kind of like. And we're talking about the Bible and I was arguing a point with him that I had no idea about. I just knew I was. My argument was based on what I'd been told and I hadn't even read the Bible pages. Like these things I was saying were from. You're copying and pasting exactly And I was like dogma. And when I went home and I was like, I was so sure about what I was saying and, you know, I'm sure it was correct, but I didn't know, like, I didn't do my own research for myself. I didn't look into it myself. I didn't really, like, actually know if I really believed it. Yeah. So then I started looking into like, religion and like, where, you know, all of this, all of like the, the Bible and that kind of stuff. And like, I'm like, why. I don't.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Where were you looking?

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Like Google on YouTube.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

YouTube?

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

You got radicalized. Hell yeah. And then I realized. I realized, like, I don't even. I don't know if I. With any of this. Like, I don't.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

This is just how you're raised and how you spit. You're spitting out.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Exactly. I don't know. Like, I don't. And, and that's been my. That has been my, my how I move. Oh, nice. Very good. That's how that's been. How, how I've moved since, like. I don't know, man. Like, I've not. I don't know if there's a God or if there isn't a God.

[Jeff Bridges]

Okay, cool.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

But if. Whatever that's. I don't know, bro. Like, until, until, until I know, then if I'm. If I. If I die and I go to heaven's gates and God is like, haha. I'm like, pepper, you got me. But if I. If that's.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Sorry, bro, you got too much pussy.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

Oh man. Premarital sex. I went to all those gay wedding.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Yeah.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

See, in hell you can see. What else?

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Think about hell's hell be fired.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Literally.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Hell. Hell will be kind of cool. I mean, if I go to hell.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

Be suffering for all eternity.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

How do you do it in the heat now? Everyone's gonna be there, though. Yeah.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

Honestly, everyone's sick.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Everyone. Holy. Is that Hitler?

[Jeff Bridges]

Yo, bro.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Yo, is he smoking weed?

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

Kanye west smoking weed with Prince?

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

The whole stone. Everyone, Every stone. Everyone. Everyone's everyone's needles. Yeah, everyone's there.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

That's a great point.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

It's like, why, like, why would you want to go to heaven when there's no one there, bro?

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Who do you think?

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Like, nothing.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

Mother Teresa, Someone playing hop and stuff?

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Like heaven population.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

And also heaven. Like heaven sounds like a chore because everyone's doing stuff. So if you're like, you're singing praise to God the whole time, you don't.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Think you're gonna like, have sex in heaven?

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Probably not, bro. Sex is taboo. Like, unless. Unless. Unless it's like orgy vibes. Heavenly. Heavenly orgies.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

The angels, baby.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

That's brazy. That's wild.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

This is a good riff. I like this. This is what you were talking about at Dogfish, right? Wait, who can I when I die.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Clapping cheeks on cloud nine?

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

Excuse me, sir. This is a dogfish.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

A pearl necklace at the pearly game.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

Yowers.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

That's wild.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

Okay, so that.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

So is that like. Like understanding or. Or realizing have this realization? It's like, you know what? Like, I don't know everything. Is that kind of.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

I don't. Yeah. I don't know. I don't know anything. Like, if. I don't know. That's a great.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Can I just say that's very professionally humble of like a successful musician to hear that coming.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

Yeah.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

And just to hear that. That's how you, like, move in life.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

No, but, yeah, because that's, you know, I don't think. Think. I don't think you can. You don't. Like, there's always room to grow. Yeah. We have room to learn. Right. So if you. If you move in a way that is like, I finish life. You don't. You can't finish life. You know, like, and you have to, you know, again, you pull. And I was saying earlier, like, check in with yourself. Okay. Why? What am I up to? Like, what's going on? What? This. This is not how I want to.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

It's not a video game.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Yeah, I'm saying exactly. This is. I need to. I need to. I need to figure out what works to me, you know, how I can better myself.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Are you spiritual at all?

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

No, I don't believe. I think the idea of being spiritual is rubbish. Really. I think it's. When people say. Yes, I. You know, when people say they're spiritual to me, it means I don't want to do. I don't want to have the. I don't want to do the work. I don't want to do what I have to do to be religious, but I want to do. I want to. I want to do the things that I'm not supposed to do if I'm religious. But I also want to have the. To have the belief of. Of.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

Yeah, they're like hedging.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Exactly. So I want to sin, but I also want to be, like, religious.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

I want halal and haram.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Exactly. That's. That's what spiritualism. But I wanna, you know, I wanna.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

Sin, like, have their cake and eat it.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Exactly. That's what's in it. Yeah.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

I mean, been that.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Have you.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

What's your favorite sin?

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

Watching Arsenal.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

What are the sins again? But what is sin, though? This is like. I don't know. This is another question. Like, what is sin? What. What do we. Yeah.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Coveting thy neighbor's ass. Like. Like donkey. Not. Or covering their neighbor's wife.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

The seven deadly sins are gluttony.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Yeah.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

Greed.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

No, but that's seven. That's the seven deadly sins. Doesn't. That doesn't cover all the basis of.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

Sin, but they're the best ones. Let's go through. Let's go.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Okay, let's go. Let's see. What's my favorite of the seven deadly.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Sins are a classification of vices within Christianity. Pride, greed, lust, envy, gluttony, wrath, and sloth.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

You're a lusty.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Leave me alone, bro. I think it's wrath, bro. I'm a. I coachful. I hold it. I hold a grudge, though.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

He's a vengeful guy.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

Damn, dude. Wait, you. You like. Wait, so how does wrath manifest itself in your everyday life? Like, if somebody does you dirty, you never forgive them type.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

I just hold it. I just hold it on. I hold on to it. I hold on to it and I. It's like. That's like your dog. I know, but it's like. It's like the Michael Jordan things. Like, I take. I'm like, the smallest thing. Can make me just be. Take really personal. You're compet. Very.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

What if. What is. What spurred you to, like, what's like, kickstarted your creativity or, like, your output or your productivity that someone you've heard about yourself.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Would you say that again?

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Like, what's something. Like Michael Jordan's like, you know, he hears like, oh, yo, MJ, you're not doing. Then he goes off like, 66. Like, what's something that.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Yeah, it's just like, it's not. You're. It's not gonna go anywhere. It's like, I don't know what you're doing. It's not very good. Or it's like, I don't know what it is, or it's not gonna be as big as. Or whatever. Like, the littlest things. Yeah, even. Like.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

Like, you read comments and shit. Like, what do you.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

I don't really read comments. I think it's just the thing of. I just hate when people catch. But my thing is that when people put me in. It's like, okay, this is just this box. It's like, okay, but that's only box. It only exists as a. In the conversations about my music and stuff. Like, okay. And it's like, okay.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Oh, he's post Afro.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

No, post Afro is my vibe. That's. I. I came up. He came up. But it's like.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

It's like, oh, he's an darling from East London.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

But. But it's not even that. It's like they put me. They don't even.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

He's all.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Look, they just. It's all. It's only this. It can only go this far. It's. It's like. It's. It's a. It's a Nigerian thing. Oh, it's racist. I mean, it's like. It's like. No, but I don't think it's. I don't think it's done with that intention. I think it's just like, okay, because I. I'm from this place. Yeah, that's as far as it is.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

They're putting guardrails on you before we even got.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

It can't be. It can't. It's not going to be.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

And you're like, watch me.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Yeah, exactly. It can't. It's not good. It's not as good. It's like Bob. The Bob Marley thing. So when you think about. Bob Marley is one of the greatest writers ever, musically. Right? But when people think. Talk about Bob Marley, then Billy Hungry. He doesn't. He doesn't. He doesn't come into the conversation of the best. Best writers, songwriters.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

Because he's a reggae guy.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Because he's a reggae guy. And that's the thing that. That's not to compare myself, but Marley. But that's the same kind of thing. So they. When people listen to my music, people who don't. Who aren't. Who don't really understand or they kind of just see me as someone who's. Of this place. They don't listen to the music in the same way that they would. Right. Someone else is King Cruel. Yes.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

So they're approaching you with, like, preconceived notions in their eyes.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Impossible for this to do that. So I'm not even going to pay attention to what's going on.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

So what do you do? Do you work harder?

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

I don't work harder. I. I just. I'm just like you, man. You're gonna. We're gonna see how. Let's see how straight up. Yeah. It does. It feel. It fuels me in a way where it's like. Man, it like, pisses me off.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Sure as it should you ever fought anyone?

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

No, I don't need to, man. I like the last. The thing that pissed me off. The. The most recent thing that pissed me off, but not pissed me off. I was kind of like this guy was. I was reading a review.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

Yeah.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

And don't do that.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Why would you do that?

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

No, but it was. I wanted to. I wanted to because I went to see.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

What was the review.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Yeah, the pitch work review. Oh, Oh, I know, but the review. I just want. I wanted my own. I just want. I was like, why is this person reviewing my music? Because you clearly don't. And, you know, everyone has their. Everyone's got their opinions, and that's completely fine. The review was good. I'd be like, oh, my God. Incredible, right? But I wanted to. I was more interested in what was written about the record. And there's a thing that I saw where this person was like, oh, yeah, it's. He compared a song on the record to. To being Afro Pop. He called this song called Prayer Afro Pop. And I was like, you don't know how. You don't even know what Afro Pop is. So why would you say that this thing is Afro Pop?

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

You're out of your element.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Yeah. So, like, why. So why would you even review an obonjera record when you don't know where you're coming from?

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

He called it Prayer. He called Afro.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Exactly. I'm like, how. It's like, how. Once I saw that, I was like, you don't. You know, I wasn't even mad at the review. I was like, you shouldn't even talk on this.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

Right. You're ignorant to what is happening.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Yes. You don't even know what you're talking about.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

Who's the reviewer?

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Let's call. Let's.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

Let us call.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

No, we don't need to do that. It's fin. It's. But it's not. But it's not about that. It was like, why. And this is the thing I'm saying about the Bob Marley thing. Like the things that kind of get Walden Green. Why would you do this, bro? Like what we love. That's not that deep. It's not.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

It's a woman, bro. You're going to get us in trouble.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

No, no, it's not.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

That's a man.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Oh, okay. Now we're going to.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

This is.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

This is Lawrence talking. Sorry. Not to misgender.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Do you feel. Okay, let me ask you this.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

You.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

You feel are. And this is, I think, in endemic. In all reviews, right. You have to give references and context to the reader who might be new to your music, they put you next to Frank Ocean's Blonde and Moses Sumney, friend of the podcast. How do you feel about being compared and contrast with other. Other artists?

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

I mean. I mean, that's. I guess that's a way that people could make sense of things, right? And luckily, I mean, those names are sick. Like most great. You know, Frank is great.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Who do you think is better, Abs, you or Moses?

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Oh, for sure.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Yeah.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Yeah. Moses is just like. They're. They're defined as hell. Shredded strong. He's so strong, but he's miserable because.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

He'S on this, like, weird diet.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

He talks about it.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

It's like, that's sucks.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

That's kind of long for him.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

He's suffering for the.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

I saw him. Like, I saw. I saw him. He was in London like a couple weeks ago. I saw him at the Martin show.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Frank Ocean, probably strong because he Big.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

Flex alert.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Fighter of your night.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

Allegedly.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Allegedly. Yeah, true.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Okay.

[Rubrik Ad Voice]

Allegedly.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

But being put next to names like that. Do. Do you like that?

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

I mean, it's good names, I guess, but it's not. Whatever.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

It's context for the reader, right?

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

It's not about. To me, it's not even about that, bro. It's like, just pay attention to what's going on. Like, if I didn't know anything about dubstep, I. But I don't. I'm not gonna go listen to a dubstep. I'll be like, oh, my God, this is. This, like. I give it like a five. I don't know what's going on. Like, that's why I have even. Like, I. I can't. I don't know if it's good or not.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

I mean, you're on a Friday.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

That's all I know. And that's. That's a different thing. That's subjective, not objective. Right, Right. So I wouldn't. I wouldn't speak on a dubstep record.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Or yo, that drop is filled.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

I mean, because I. I don't know.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

Where that is from those blue really.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Just matters how filthy the drop is.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

But you don't. How. But how do you gauge. How do you measure how filthy the drop is?

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

How much going on YouTube? And you. I used to do this in study college. You.

[Jeff Bridges]

No.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

100 filthiest drops of all time dubstep.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

But that's. But that's not. But even. That's how AI. That's how AI would. Would do that.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Do you AI your music?

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

No, I don't.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

I know.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

I know. No, but my point is. My point. My point is my. You go on. If you go on. If you go on YouTube and search one. Top 10 most filthy drops.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

Let's do right now.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

It doesn't give you. It doesn't give you an accurate. Right.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

One person's opinion.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Exactly. Or the most popular opinion.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

Sure, sure. The consensus.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

So you don't. So you still don't really know. Because that's. You haven't. You don't.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Dude, this one is sponsored. Top 10 most brutal sick dirty dubstep drops of all time. 12 years.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

About YouTube Premium. No, but you fly business.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Yeah.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

It's in the concert.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

It's a priority.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Sucks for you, bro.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

I'd rather fly business than have YouTube Premium.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

I want to support my creators by watching the ads.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Yeah.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Huh. What are the videos on?

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

You're paying YouTube. Not the creators.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Yeah.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

Not the guy reviewing the Fantastic Four or whatever the. You're watching Midas Touch.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Did getting on a Fred again record change your life?

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

Yeah. Speaking of filthy drops.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Yeah. I mean, changed my life in a way. Like, that's the biggest song. That's the biggest song I've been a part of.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Yeah.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Yeah. I mean, it's definitely introduced me to a lot. It's completely. Throw me into the. Into the. Into the ocean.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Ibiza ocean.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Yeah.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

Into a crowd with beautiful eyes. What's that?

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

I think it's deeper than that, but it's not, because it's not the. There's a. There's a thing, me and my friend, called Ibiza bar music. And it's not that, but the thing adore you is that it lives. It's like even. Like, even, like musically, like, even the sounds that bread. I mean, that's just a Fred thing. He's a. There's a. There's a credibility to the music. Right. That you can't even. As much as it can live within those spaces. It is also like. I know like some producer be like, I don't. I wouldn't be able to make that. Yeah.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

Just because it's played there doesn't mean it's not exactly special. Exactly.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

It's like. And that's. And that's the beast here. Fred is like. Is. He's. The guy is a. He's a. He knows what the fuck he's doing.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Are you trying to get on Victory lap 4?

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

That song is sick.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

I agree.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

What's your favorite? What's your favorite one? Skeptical.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

I mean, there's three, right? I love. I love Hanuman Kind.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

I love all them Den Skeptical Skeptic one.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Skep one is on Big Smoke.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Big Smoke.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

But he's on coolest 1, 2, and 3, right? Like, they keep him on.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Yeah, but like. But like this. The pots in it. What pot are you find?

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

Could have been, could have been, could have been.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

The beat is just filthy, bro.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

It's one of the.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

V is just hard.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

It's one of the top 10 filthiest, dirtiest, sickest drops of all time.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

It'll be number one on that. It was. What's your thoughts on Playboy Max?

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

I don't really know that much about him.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Any of the ways.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Black Boy Max.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

Playboy Hardy. Different guy. I mean, he's. He's crushing. I mean, the proof is in.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Playboy Max, man. Shout out. Playboy Max, man.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

He's credited on the songs, definitely.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

No, but he was. He was in the.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

He was engineer.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

He was in the video. I don't know.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

I support all bisexuals.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

He bisexual.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

It just.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

He got exposed is the wrong way to say it, but that's how they kind of presented it. Found an old. Like, a gay dating profile that he crazy.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

And I don't get that, bro. Like, I like.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

Whoa, whoa, whoa.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

People are free to. You don't get.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

What don't you get?

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

No, I don't. No, no, wait. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I don't get when people fight. Find. Seriously, find a profile of someone. And why. Like, what. Like, what are you exposing, bro? Like, some. Okay, someone's. If someone's gay, that's cool. Why is that? Why do you have to. Why?

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

Internet is whack, bro.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

How is that, like, the idea of exposing someone based off of, like, what they are or, like, what they've been?

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

And what sucks is that, yo, this guy's black.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Exactly. What the.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

Wait, wait, you're black?

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Like, no, I'm not. I'm green.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Okay.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Yeah. He watched with pounds. Pounds, shillings. I'm peed up, baby.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

With.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

The other streamer that got exposed. Maybe it's a streamer thing.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

I don't know.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

For, like, you know, being on a gay dating site. And. And I feel like the reaction was pretty measured, and people are just like, yeah, oh, all right, let's move on.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Okay, cool.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

As long as they then have to address it and they do the analysis.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Why do. Why. Why do you.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

But even worse, the narrative now, and I'm not here to speak for anyone, but the prevailing narrative that between whether it was Max or what happened to this other guy sketches, they go. That was a. A different dark period. In my life. Like, they. It's like trying to. They then feel like they have to bury yourself.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

And that's. And I hate that, bro. That's the thing that pisses me off. Like, why. Like, why do people feel they need to get into people's business like that.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

Thank you.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

But like, a man. And it's like this. That culture that pisses me off, bro. Like.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Like exposure culture.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

What's your business, dog? Like, what's. Why is that your business, bro?

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

That comes with the profile that you gain as you pop.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Yeah, man. But like, man, allow it, bro.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Do you ever feel a little nervous or something? Like screenshots of text?

[Rubrik Ad Voice]

I don't know.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

I don't. Am I saying. It's my. I say what I said do whatever you want. Like, I don't know.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Let's get on the phone. No paper trail.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

No, no, no, it's not. I don't. I don't think, like, I'm. I'm very, very happy with who I am and, like, what and how I am as a human being. I've done some, you know, maybe I've done some. I ghosted someone or whatever that, you know, had my. You know, my. My fair share of being a. But I'm not. I don't. I. In a way that is like. Like, in a way that is. You can't. No one can say anything about me. That is wrong.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Yeah.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

Gotcha.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

I mean, because I think I'm a pretty good guy in. In as a human being.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Let's expose Fred again. What's something about Fred that might surprise people?

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

He's the greatest of all time.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

The goat.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

I said it. I'm sorry. I'm really sorry, but I didn't mean to expose you like that, bro.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

What is something about him that, like, you know, the average fan wouldn't know, but you, as a class, he's.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

He's a. He's a leader, man. Like. Like, I think we can get. Because I didn't know until I met Fred. Like, I didn't. You could, you know, the personality, the. Very bubbly and like.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

Oh, really?

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

But when you meet Fred, like, you can see, like, this guy's got this. Not. He's. That also. He's, like, very loving and very, you know, and very attentive is the word that I'd use. Very attentive to everything. And he knows what's happening and he knows that's the shepherd, the people around him, right when. But it doesn't feel like he's leading you or he's like telling you what. Where to go and how this is going.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

He's like conducting the creative charge of.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

The thing that's going on.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

Playing the orchestra without making you.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Without making you feel like it's like you're being, okay, go do this.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

Not being ordered to do.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

It's kind of like. And that's how, that's how. Like, that's why I say he's a leader. Like, you don't. You don't know when it's happening, but it's happening.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

It means by example.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

And that's why. And that's why.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

How did you get on that? Like, what was the.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

So in random one? He just text me being like, I jumped on this song. What do you think? Because he got the. He got the. He used the. The live version that's on YouTube and he got my number off a friend of mine. So.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

And so he's like, yo, I got this banger sign off on it.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Or that's like, what do you think of this? And. But that's the thing about Fred. It's like, hey, man, like, I did this thing on your. This beautiful song. I would love really wanting to know love. I really love to know what you think. And it's like, it's such a nice way to be. To introduce yourself to someone regardless of what, what your status is or how big you are. Right? You're not saying, hey, bro. Oh, it's me, Fred.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

Right?

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

This is what I've done. Like, you. Should we do it? Yeah, it's like, I'm saying, like, ship.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

Up or ship out.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

It's like, yeah, it's like, bro, like this, you know, your song's really beautiful. I hope you don't mind I did this. Like, what do you.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

He's a kind man.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

And it's like, you know, it's like. It's just like. It's disrespectful. You respect people.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

He's.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

But did you also. Did you also low key see dollar signs?

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

No, I didn't.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

I mean, I. I just Fred in it, so it's probably gonna fuck off, I think. I think I. I think it was the idea that it was gonna reach a lot of people was definitely.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Of course.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

It was just.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

It was just appealing for sure.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

But I didn't think it was good.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

You weren't like, this is gonna change.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

I didn't, I didn't. I didn't think it was gonna be as big as it is.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

It's gotta be. I don't know the numbers exactly, but it's gotta be as a somewhat. It's got to be one of his most known songs. Just based off like your hook, right?

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

I mean, I don't. Yeah, whatever. But that's not the point though.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Well, I guess now. Victoria.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Yeah. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8. Which is crazy because it's almost like I was thinking about this today. I was like, this is a really good way of. Of letting a song live. Yeah. Especially in this culture where it's like things come out and it's just gone disposable. But now you're. And it's almost like grime. It's very grime centered because, like, you know how, like, I don't know if you. You guys know anything about grime. Oh, bro.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Stormzy, shut up.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

That's not me.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Shut up.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

We know a crime.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

You're welcome. You know my word. Anyway, but my point is. My point is. My point is. Right, The Tricky.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Tricky?

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Yeah, Tricky Sick.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Is grime og. Oh, he's not.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Tricky's in grime.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

My bad. Whatever.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

That was a test.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

You just passed. You know a lot about grime.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

You know who Tricky is?

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

Of course, dude.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

You don't know who Trick.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

He's trip hot, bro.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Anyway, man. So the thing with like how the produce the beats that people. Producers would produce, we kind of go around the kind of like DJ circuit and that would be used as on like clashes and like stuff like that. Yeah. Is what Fred is doing. So like that beat has become like a thing that is like everyone.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

It's like a mixtape.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Exactly. And I think that's really sick.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

It's like respectful to the genre.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Exactly.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

This might be before your time, but like during like the Napster Kazan Kaza days, you get these 39. You get these 12 minute remixes. No, I know you get these like 12 minute remixes.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

I'm 19, by the way.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

You're 19?

[Rubrik Ad Voice]

Yeah.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

That's crazy. No, I'm not. Do you know what's funny? Like the top my age on Google is not my age.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

Really?

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Yeah. They've got it mad wrong. Like. And I was like, do I look that old?

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

Oh, they have you.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

It says you're 35.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

35. That's wild. I'm not 35.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

How old are you?

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

I'm not telling you.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

You don't say your age.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

I mean, I sort of like, I don't know. I. I do sometimes and I don't. Sometimes.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Okay.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

Black don't crack. It's cool, dude.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Don't worry about.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Absolutely.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

I'm pretty.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

He's not 35.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

I'm not 35.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

19.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

I got my birthday wrong. They said birthday. I'm not going to tell you.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

Like the date. Like the date. Wrong.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

The date. The month. The. The. I guess Your birthday is October 16th. I'm not born. I wasn't born in October.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

You know you can edit your own Wikipedia.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

No, but I like. It's kind of fun. I like.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

Right. You're not famous yet. Cuz they have your birthday.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Nobody. But that's the thing. I am famous now.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

He's.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

They put the. They went through the effort of putting the wrong date of my.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

They're not purposely doing it. They just got bad intel.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Clearly. Oh my God.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Ob.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

This also has your date of death.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

No, I'm kidding. Jesus.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

That be crazy.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

That would. Crazy. That'd be good.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Like horror movie.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

I can imagine if you actually died on that day.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

Final Destination.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

It's yesterday. We're all in hell.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Oh my God. This is hell. Yeah.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

First day in hell.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

Fire.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Can you imagine if your hell was like constantly just in this room, like podcasting?

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

It is.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

It is.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

We're living here. What are you talking about? I think it's more purgatory, but yeah, we're somewhere in there.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

All right, so you got. You got big recognition, big dollars, big checks off the Fred Again feature. What's the brokest you've ever been as an adult?

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Oh my God. As an adult?

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Yeah. Like what. What's.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

What Was just some broke boy after. After uni. After uni. Yeah. First EP just come out, actually before my first episode.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

You signed?

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

I was so as I was trying to. This is between the moment. Between. I was trying to figure out. I was trying to sign my publishing deal. Yeah. And I quit my job because I was like, okay, my publishing deal's coming. Then you take. It took ages to come. So I was in this. In. That's this in between period.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

It's called unemployment.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

No money, bro. Like, I literally was. I was broke as.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

What are you doing? Like diving.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Like, I was not. I just. I was like. I was doing. I was. I was eating pizza. So I'd get two dominoes. There's. There's this Domino's pizza.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

We're familiar. It's an American invention. Guns and dominoes, bro. That's what we do.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

So Domino's. They've got two for Tuesday. So I'd. I'd get the two for Tuesdays. And that's what I live on for the week. Not for the week.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

How long would that.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Last year I last like like three, four by days.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

Wow, that is strong.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

But pizza and. And I used to also do this thing where I'd like, oh my God. But I'd. I'd go to Sainsbury's and I get donuts because at that time they were like, like 99p for like a pack of four, five or six, whatever. I get like, I get like three packs and that. Because they're so filling. Because of the. How up they are. Yeah, yeah. And when you eat that, you're not hungry for the rest of the day.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

Yeah.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

But donuts and people pounds the donuts and pieces.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

Yikes.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Calorie maxing.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Yeah, exactly. You had to. I mean, I had to because I was like, I was bulking. I couldn't. I couldn't afford to do anything else.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

What did you do? Like, when that first publishing check came.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

In, I. I moved. I moved. I moved to the nice apartment.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Okay. Okay.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Well, I mean, I moved to. I moved to a house share. That was just like, I was. Okay, cool. Now I need to be. I'm able to do these things and I can. I can really be. I can just. I can just. I can just relax, you know, I can, I can. I can focus on the music that I need to focus on.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

I don't have to ration out my pizza until next time.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

I don't have to eat. Yeah. I'm saying like, yeah, that, that life was donut maxing. My life was not great.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Is that when you. Is that the moment when you're like, you know what? Like, okay, I'm financially secure off my career.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

I wouldn't say I was financially secure. It was, it was just like I had money.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Are you financially secure now?

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

I'm definitely financially secure, but like, I'm.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

Not enough to fly economy, clearly.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

No, but that's why I'm financially secure because I'm not a idiot.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

Because you're not blowing your money.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

I'm not a dumb idiot.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Right.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

I could fight. I mean, I could this thing, but I don't think it's. What do you there yet?

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

We're just busting your ball.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

What do you. What do you indulge on money?

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

I like, I do some dumb man.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Like what?

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

Tell us.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

I wouldn't fly. I wouldn't fly private. Not private. I wouldn't fly business because I think it's just too much money and city at the money. But I'd go, I'd like uber exec.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

Damn the big body.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Yeah. I'm saying it's like, because I.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

That's like the first class of driving.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Exactly, exactly. Which is dumb. I'm. I'm actually, I'm cutting. I'm cutting. I've cut that. Is that what.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

So you pull up to the podcast studio?

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

I mean, I wouldn't do that. My manager would let me do that because he's make. He has sense. But I like when I'm home and stuff and if I, if I, if I'm going to. When I used to do. There's a point where I was getting uber execs everywhere and I could like. And it really cut into my, my money.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

Just buy a car. I know.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

It's like, that's what I'm saying. That's the, that's the thing I spent. I don't even like buy clothes like that. Like I, you know.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

So you probably get free, right?

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

At this point?

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

I mean, I do, but like. Yeah, I do.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

I mean if we do.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

You do.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

That's my point.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

You're a big vintage guy though. Yeah. What's been a favorite vintage pickup recently?

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

I got this like Yoji Yamamoto like top. I think I've won. I've worn it multiple times, but it's like a two tone black and navy. Navy blue with navy blue sleeves. It says like brat gammon on it and I just really. It's like a T shirt and I really love it because I quite. It's really tight on me. It looks good.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Are you do. Are you into having like a vintage Yoji phase?

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

No, I don't like, I'm not, I'm not like, I'm not as into the thing as you guys. Like, I'm. I like what I like in it. You guys.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

You have good taste though.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

I've got a good taste. But you guys know the thing, right?

[Rubrik Ad Voice]

Right?

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

You do though.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

And that's Yo G. Me. I'm a motto poor home from 2000.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Exactly. I follow.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

I mean, no, we get too. Dude, don't relax at school.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

We're not nerds.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

You do.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

I'm married, bro.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

You get one.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

One.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

Thank God my wife doesn't listen. I set myself up.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

What can I say? You get one, you get a.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Single serving package.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

I get none. Right, right, right, right.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

By choice. That's a choice.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

I mean. Yeah, exactly. This is, this is like lifestyle growth.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

What are some good vintage stores in life?

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Running someone in Teacup. Do you know what I found? Yeah. Like going to like the, like the, like, like the like the charity charity spots especially like in like West London and stuff are like really good to.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

Go to like where rich people leave their.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Exactly.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Like what the broke people are buying. But you're just like, nah, that's fire.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Exactly.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Okay.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Exactly. But I mean, I just. I mean, I don't.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

I don't.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

I. I. Man, I'm in. I love clothes. Yeah. I'm into fashion and that stuff like that. But I don't go. I'm not like, I'm gonna go shopping.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

Right.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

It just comes to you.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

It just. If I'm. If I'm walking and I see something is a store. Like, I walk in and see if I. Something in there. But I'm not like, I'm gonna go to this place. Yeah.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

What do you think of dudes where shopping is like, their hobby is that.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

I think it's sick, man. That if you're into that, then you're into that.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

You're not gonna judge.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

As long as you're out. I like the thing that jaws me out is like, I'm gonna go to like, lv Splash out and get this.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

That's just drip, bro.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Like. Yeah. I'm not drip culture. I'm not. Look at me. I'm a wild boy, man.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

I wear pop tops and you're a rock star.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

I cut my clothes. Like, if I need to find. If I need to wear something new, I just be like, okay, I'm just gonna cut that shirt and wear it out.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Do you shop when you're on tour?

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

No. Some. I mean, sometimes if I need something to wear and I feel like I haven't got anything, I just pull up. I'll go to. To like the nearest, like, shop.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Do you. Do you get homesick when you tour?

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

No. Really?

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Oh, because you're looking forward, guy.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Like, I don't. I don't. I don't miss anything. I'm just like, we just.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

You don't miss, like, your bed or like.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

I do miss my bed. I do toilet paper. I mean, toilet paper is like the. One of those wipes things. I love those things.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

The wet wipes.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Wet wipes.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

And those are the fire.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

Yeah. We're currently like, clean booty hole, gang.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Exactly. You got to clean it like you.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Have a of bit day.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

I don't know. Is that the. I don't know if I trust.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

What do you mean, trust what?

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

It's going to scan your butthole. Know your. Know your Social Security number be exposed.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

For using a bidet.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Tell me. Okay.

[Libsyn Ads Voice]

I don't know.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

You know how it works.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

What do you mean? Well, a bunch of water just shoots at your butthole. Okay, let me Ask you this. If you go. If you take a bike out and it gets muddy.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Yeah.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

And you bring it home. Home. Do you clean it with a hose or do you clean it with the dry paper towels?

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

I see what you're.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

Butthole's the bike in this mouth.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

I understand.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

The mud is poop.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

So you say. Yeah, that makes sense. Because. But just you spraying it, you're doing this. Yeah. But the. You know, you're moving. There's a.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

You're directing the flow.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Exactly. But the bidet is just like.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Oh, no, the bidet's there. You're. You're moving and getting, like, all the.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Oh, that's how it works. Because I've never. I've never used. Use one.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Oh, bro.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

So never.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

I've never used one. I want to. I want to experience one.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

I guarantee it'll change your life.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

You reckon? So you're moving your. How do you know?

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

I mean, your butthole. Isn't that, like. There's not everywhere. I would hope. Like, it's like a pretty.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

How many dominoes and donuts exactly?

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Depends on how wild you go.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

How many airplane chickens do you have another one?

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Yeah. Okay, cut. Cut. Ob.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

Yeah, we were. We were like, we're going to mature.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

This podcast moving forward, so you're shaking. I want to continue this conversation. So. So.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Okay, well, first of all, less direct irritation with your booty hole.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Right.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

You're not.

[Rubrik Ad Voice]

You.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

You're not.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

You're using a lot less, like, rough dry paper.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

No, but I'm not using dry paper. I just. You're projecting right now.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Well, how much. What do you spend on wet wipes per month? What's your budge?

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

What. What's my bud. Hello. My money. I use it. I've got these ones, the Andrex, like, butt wipes, and they're like four pound for, like, a pack. Yes. I get two. But I also. What I do is, like, I get the butt wipes and I get the toilet paper. You use the butt. The butt wipes and then you use.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

Dry it off.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Yeah. And I clean it out.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Okay.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Vibes.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

I respect the process.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Thanks. This is great intel for the audience at home, yo. Going very deep in there, yo.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

I don't think we realize this. You're on the F1 soundtrack.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

I am, actually. And you're.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

You're a big car guy, even though you're. Is that why you're calling Uber execs?

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Nah, man. I'm calling UberX because I want to feel. I want to be.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

You want to feel like a big Guy.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

No, no, no, no, no, no, no. I call it Uber Ex. So I can use the, like, Bluetooth.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

Oh, you know, all cars have Bluetooth.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

I not have to be like, I don't want. I don't want to be. I don't want.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Expl.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Yeah, exactly. I don't want to be like, this is my car.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

Are you playing your own music on the Bluetooth?

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

I'm playing whatever the I want because it's like, this is mic. This is for me for the next hour, however long we're in this car.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

Hour. Damn.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

London traffic is pretty bad.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

It's pretty crazy and depends on what. You're. Great.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

Yeah.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

What's the last. What's the last song you played on your phone in the Uber?

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

I played. I listened to a song I was going to the studio to make.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Oh, yeah.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

And I had. And I told the guy. And this is the thing with me. I don't.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

You told the guy, turn your phone off. No recording.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

I told. I. I had to. I had to.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

One star driver.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

I had to say to the driver, like, yo, I'm. I. I'm. I'm trying to write this song. So I'm going to play a few times, if you don't mind.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

Oh, that's nice.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Because it's like. It's kind of. It can be quite jarring for someone to hear your song.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

Like, this is ass.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

That's what Lawrence tells the Uber driver.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Before he puts it. But luckily for me, the guy. The driver. The driver was. He, like. He plays. He's like a musician. Like a Kenyan musician and. Well, no, someone who. He plays keys and he's. He loves music. And he was like, you know, we're talking about the music. Which was so. I don't think it was as jarring for him. And I tried to keep it to a minimum.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

What was his feedback?

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

He was like, this is really cool. It sounds like Sade meets Phil Collins.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

Oh, that's a vibe, dude.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

It's pretty crazy.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

Two of the best ever do it.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

This song's really good, bro.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

You ever. You ever spend time in la?

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Yes.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

You cannot tell the Uber drivers you're a musician because they'll all try to get.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

I know, I know. That's happened. That's happened. That's happened.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

Of course.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Me a few times in la, and they're like, yo. But I think that when you get an Uber. Exactly. You haven't got these problems. Uber black.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

They're trained.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Shut the up. Don't talk to me.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

That's the button you don't say, you.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

Know, this is my car. I'm the captain now.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

You have to say that. That's why this. That's why I. I get Uber. So it's not because of the big dog.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

It's a lifestyle choice.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Because you can tell them not to talk to you.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Shut the up.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

Put the divider up, please.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

That's just rude. Like, you don't tell.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

They. They give you the buttons. No conversation.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

No, but you do. So on those, with those buttons, you press no conversation.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

No, I don't. I order Uber X's.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

Wow.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

But in New York, they are professional. Like, they're typically professional drivers. This is what they do. Pretty much, like, not. Well, some of them full time, some of them not in other cities like LA and maybe London. It's a lot of, like, kind of people doing, you know, aspiring creatives, doing. Getting a little side bag.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Right.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

You know, like getting rent money by doing Uber on the side.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Yeah.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

And they're a lot more chatty Patty with you.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

I mean, some of the chat, like, sometimes, man, like, I'm not the most chatty person in the world. Especially when.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Yeah, you are.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

If you seem like it. What are you talking about?

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Because we're talking now. Because this is. I'm into this conversation.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

Thank you.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

But if someone. If someone is like, you're talking. Oh, my God. Okay, so I was in a car a couple days ago on my way to a lunch, and me and the guy was. Me and the Uber driver started talking. He started talking to me about his girlfriend and, like, his baby mama. And I was like, you know, like randomly, you know when someone just starts, like, just starts to come.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

Trauma dumping.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

And I was like, okay, cool. You know? Yeah. I was like, oh, that's. Yeah. No, it's sick, man. Well done, bro. Like, whatever.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

Congrats on the set.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

And then. And then, then it kind of the conversation veers into, like, talking about politics.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Oh, no.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

And I'm like. And I. I'm like, bro, like, you know, people just don't know what. You don't know what you're talking about, bro. Like, you have no idea.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

Like, you with the Bible.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Exactly. You have no idea what you're saying. And you're. But you're so sure. And I'm. And I get so. I get so riled up by that passionate where I was like, bro. I was like, bro, like, you're gonna, like, like, you. You have. You don't know what you're talking about. Let's just not talk about it.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

And he was like.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

No, no, no, no. We're just having a conversation. I want to know what you think. Think like you clearly don't want to know. I want to know what I think because what I'm telling you what I think you're saying that it's a lie and that you know, you have to dig into it a bit more.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

This is the.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

The Brexit ass.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

This is the British. This is the British way, right? They lure you. I'm so sorry.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

That is just. That is the American way.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

The British way.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

Was this in America or in.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

In England? In England.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

The American way. Weed. Shoot your ass.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

Scoreboard.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Yeah.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

No health care for you.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

No healthcare for you. Ice.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

You're a big.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

That the Uber driver just calls ice on the passenger. I don't know.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

It's rough, dude.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Maybe the Uber driver hits the.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

I'll drop you off.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Probably at this point.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

Probably redirecting to alligator Alcatraz.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Ice alert.

[Jeff Bridges]

Where are we going?

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Like what.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

What about my lunch? My high powered lunch and put in.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

The detention center as my destination.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

That's so funny. You at.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Yeah, you're. Despite being an Uber exec lover, do you still take a two hour walk every morning?

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

No. Anymore? No, no, I've done that in a minute still.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Why?

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Because I can't be bothered anymore. Like I'm different space in my life, different times.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

Trying to sleep in.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

I'm doing that. I mean, yeah, I got money now.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

I'm not walking for two hours.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

That's just something you said to like.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

No, I used to sound good to girls. I didn't do. I didn't walk for two. I mean I kind of did at the time. It's kind of roughly two hours.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

Like as therapy.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

No, because I was working on a record record at the time. That was kind of what I was doing in that moment. That was just really good for me where my brain was at. And I lived in an area I lived in, in New Cross, in New Cross Gate. And there was like I could walk to the. To the park in Greenwich. It was like there was a nice little thing to do.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

Stroll.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

But where I live now, it's like. But. And you know, it just doesn't make sense. So like, you know the.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Where do you live now?

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

I live in Campbell.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

What's your. What's your address?

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

What. Why is your. Why do you want to know? You want to send me some stuff?

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

We're about to be with this pocket is about radical transparency.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Radical transparency.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

You don't want to let people into your home.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Yeah, I Would love to. Okay, drop the Addie. You can send money to my PayPal.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

All right, so you see, you had a nice. You already gave your email address.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

You had a nice. Course, that's not my email address. You fell for the baby.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

No, Just tell them it's your email.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

Wink, wink.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

No, but yeah, you get sued. Huh? What?

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

You can't get sued in England.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

I don't know what I'm talking about.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

Wait, wait, hold on.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

You stop. You stopped walking. You're sick of that.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

I still walk. I still walk. I still walk. Why you do. Don't. Do. I don't do it every morning. Okay. Can you.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

We've talked a lot about fame, whatever, at different levels. Can you move like you used to move?

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

Really?

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

You're not.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

People don't.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

People. I mean, people come up to. But I don't. That's not the. My. I'm not like. No one's bugging me.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

What's the typical fan interaction?

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Like, hey, man, I really like your music and I really appreciate. That's nice. I'm like, thank you. I really appreciate it. Like, that's. It's like a nice thing to know that people feel a. Feel comfortable enough to come up to you and say that and, like, you can have a. I can have a conversation. But yeah, I do, because people that come up to me aren't. They're not. They're not like. They are not crazy.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

Right?

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Not. They don't.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Yeah.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

There's not this. I. There's not the exact. Not yet. But yeah, they, like, they're into what I do. And they. There's a. There's a level. It's about the music.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

Okay.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

You know, the work. Yeah, exactly. They're not. They're not like. What's the word?

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Like a cult of person.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

Not vultures or blood suckers or snakes.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Yeah. They're not rats.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Goofies.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

It's what I'm looking for. I can't. I can't.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

It's cool.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Intentional. Intentionality.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

They're not infatuated by the. By me as, like. As a guy, as a person, you know, like, oh, my God.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Well, they haven't listened to this podcast.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Taylor Swift. Oh, my God. Taylor Swift. Right, right, right.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

It's not that you're not gonna get.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

John Lennon the way London is. Like, it's like, oh, I didn't. You can see anyone in the street. And it, like, it feels like. It feels like a community. Like you're seeing a friend, rather.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Yeah, but that's the community that wouldn't let you read your book and have your lunch.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

Are you friends?

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Are you scared?

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Because that's what I'm saying. Everyone in the music industry is. The concentration of those people are in Hackney.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

Yeah.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

So there are people, like the people I know and I work with. And like, there's a. That's. Those people that will come up to you and sit.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

Demographic problem.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Do you. Are you hesitant or like, kind of res. To, like, fan infatuation like that where you can't just walk around.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Oh, my God, Obi.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

I emailed that email address a million times.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

I wouldn't know how to. I wouldn't know how to do that. I don't think I'm the kind of. I don't. If someone's infatuated because of my better learn looks or like, because of my, like, an idea of fame or because of, like, how. How visible I am or whatever. And it's not about the thing that I do right. Them not becoming a problem for me because I'm like, like, what are we doing here?

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

You stay in the Uber exec.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

Yeah. You don't exactly roll the windows up.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

You put the. Yeah, just be like, oh, just do this, bro.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

It's Taylor Swift. I got to take it.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

It's not. We're not. We're not that. We're not.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Your phone's gonna be upside down when you do it.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

We're not at that point yet. And I. And I, you know, hopefully. Hopefully.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Well, again, people have.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

I love living in South London, man. Cuz, like, you know, you, You. It just. It's just a. It's a very genuine existence, bro. Like. Yeah, I mean. Shut up, bro. It's like. It's very, like, it just feels. It feels more homely, like, more like. It feels like people are more genuine. Yeah. I mean, I'm. I'm not saying that east and all, that. It's all genuine. I mean, where I'm at is that's what the. That's what the vibe is going to.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

You're happy where you're at currently. That's what we're talking.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Nice. You know, and it feels. It feels. Feels good.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Well, hey, man, that might change. One, after they listen to this podcast. Two, after they catch you at a few shows that you got going on this summer and fall. The last question we want to ask you before we get you out of here so you can proper rest up, drink some tea with the honey, Protect the voice. For the first show you have in two nights, do you have any Constructive criticism you would like to give us.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Yeah.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

To close the show out.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

How'd this go? No, I know.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

Really perfect.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

No, because it's not. It's not. It's not like put together. It doesn't feel like this. This. This, this. Well, no, but it is. But you have.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

That's. Just keep it going.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

You've done your. You've done the research. You've done what you. But it's not about. We're having a conversation.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Yeah.

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[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Yeah. Is that. What color is that?

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

It's an Apple. 17 inch Mac. MacBook Air.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Yeah.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

Shout out Tim. Shout out Tim the homie.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

What's the. What color is that?

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Is that like a. I will tell you in.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

Look up the color code is a.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Is a MacBook Air.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

Yeah, bro, what are we doing here?

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

32 gig now.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

What's the color, though? That's. That's what I'm asking.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

I don't know.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

It's like some type of blue, I think.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

That light. Is it blue?

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

It's kind of like blue.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Yeah. Yeah. Sick. That's what I was asking.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Let me ask. Let me pull up.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

No, we don't need to do that.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

Okay, okay, okay.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Yo, Shout out Apple.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

So perfect podcast. We're best friends.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

No, you guys are. You guys. You guys are sick.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Perfect laptop.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

The setup is good. It doesn't feel. I feel comfortable.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

Great.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

That's all Coffee days and like sex and stuff. Crazy.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Well, thank you for again just blessing us with a fantastic hour and a half.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Thank you.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Right after. And we understand that hopping off the economy flight is tough, so we appreciate.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

Two Chickens Deep too.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

We appreciate you deep. Yeah.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

I don't know what you're playing. What are you playing for dinner tonight?

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

I'm actually going to dinner with a friend.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Where are you going?

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

I don't know yet.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

Okay.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Surprise.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Yeah, man. She going to.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

You're going to get the chicken.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Going to show me his city.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

Oh, it's a New Yorker friend.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Yeah. Nice.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

You got to order the chicken.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

All right. She ordered the chicken.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Thank you, OB for coming on to the only.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

We appreciate you, bro.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

What you like to plug?

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Nothing, bro, just. No, come on. No, but there is good. Listen to my album Paradise Now. Right now.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Paradise Now.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Thank you very much.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Your favorite song on the album.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

My favorite song right now is Prayer.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

Yeah, I heard. I read about in Pitchfork. It's like Afro Pop.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Yeah, yeah, that one. Yeah.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Afro partial to a born in your body.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

It's very, you know. Thank you. Yeah, yeah.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Thank you.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Thank you.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

Yeah.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

It helps me Helps me accept my stretch marks.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Where do you have stretch marks? My ass. I've got stretch marks right here.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Yeah, because you got big, bro.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

It's from all those pizzas and donuts.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Exactly. I have to stretch out. I have to stretch to get here.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

You know, it's like what Cat William said. It's like there's only two ways you got stretch marks. You was big and you got little. He's little and you got big. That's it.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

I think mine was glitter and I got big.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

I think so.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

Go to big and beautiful.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Thank you, baby.

[Host 2 (Interviewer)]

Big and beautiful parents.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Now out now.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Thank you so much. This has been really fun. Thank you.

[Host 1 (Interviewer)]

Thank you, bro. Chef, take us out.

[Jeff Bridges]

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[Dana]

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[Jeff Bridges]

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[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Dana.

[Dana]

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[Jeff Bridges]

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[Obongjayar (Obi)]

Nice.

[Dana]

Jeffrey, you heard them.

[Obongjayar (Obi)]

T mobile is the best place to get the new iPhone 17 Pro on us with eligible traded in any condition.

[Jeff Bridges]

So what do we have in the for lodge?

[Dana]

Dude, my work here is done.

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