James Hatch SEAL Team 6 | Tier1 Live

Summary

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Tier1 Podcast Live: James Hatch (SEAL Team 6)

Host: Brent Tucker (Delta Force, retired)
Guest: James Hatch (Retired SEAL Team 6, Yale faculty)
Date: May 29, 2026

Produced by Drew Tucker

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Episode Overview

In this live edition, Brent Tucker welcomes James Hatch—retired SEAL Team 6 operator and current Yale faculty—to an unfiltered, wide-ranging conversation about elite military service, leadership, trauma and recovery, the realities of war, and American civic life. Fielding questions from a lively audience, both men open up about political division, veteran culture, personal failures, and the importance of community and mental health. The discussion is frank, gritty, and often vulnerable, featuring firsthand perspectives from two top-tier combat veterans now contributing in new ways as educators and advocates.

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Key Topics & Discussion Points

1. Political Leadership, Trump, and American Division

Timestamps: [02:07] – [16:44], [50:03], [51:14]

• Draft Deferments & Leadership:
  • Hatch and Brent reflect on Trump’s Vietnam draft deferments and broader issues of privilege across both parties.
  • “Not a good look.” (Hatch, [02:15])
  • They debate whether actions from decades ago should define present character, but agree the nation’s options for leadership are concerning.
  • “We’re the greatest nation in the world, and those are our two options, right?” (Hatch, [15:32])
• Pendulum of Political Extremes:
  • Brent contends the pendulum swings from left to right and identifies social unrest (e.g., George Floyd riots, COVID restrictions) as contributing to Trump’s appeal among some.
  • “I think a lot of what has happened under the Trump administration is a reaction to that.” (Brent, [05:38])
• Double Standards & January 6th:
  • Hatch opposes blanket punishment for January 6th participants not involved in violence, but insists police were not supported by either left or right when attacked.
  • “I can't rail against BLM and be like, yeah, January 6th is okay.” (Hatch, [08:29])
  • They unpack hypocrisy, law enforcement loyalty, and the complexities of protest and policing.
• American Disunity & Accountability:
  • Both lament the toxicity of today’s climate. Brent critiques Trump for being more interested in division than unity.
  • “I don't believe he gives a fuck about making the country united.” (Brent, [09:39])
• Election Reform & Money in Politics:
  • They agree that campaign finance and “big money” are distorting the democratic process, citing Citizens United, dark money, and the rise of billionaire candidates.
  • “There has to be reform... But the only people who can make the law to do that are the people who benefit from our corrupt system.” (Hatch, [16:41])

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2. Life After the Military, Ivy League Experience

Timestamps: [17:24] – [21:19], [27:05] – [29:12]

• Adjusting to Yale:
  • James describes being anxious and feeling like an outsider on campus.
  • Tells an emotional story about Yale undergrads presenting him with a signed Veterans Day card.
  • “I cried like a little kid, man. Like, I didn't know these kids even knew I was there.” (Hatch, [19:42])
• Bridging Worlds:
  • Both agree academia and military/civilian divide is wide, and the work is in building trust and mutual respect.

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3. Trauma, Growth, and Mental Health

Timestamps: [22:26], [98:42] – [147:22]

• Would You Erase Your Trauma?
  • Both agree: their suffering after being wounded in combat, while painful, led to growth, wisdom, and ultimately, healing.
  • “Without hard times, there's no growth. I hate it.” (Hatch, [23:11])
• Combat Injuries and Recovery:
  • They return several times to the personal burden of being wounded—the guilt, self-criticism, drive to return to duty, and support from family and teammates.
  • Stunning honesty about hospital breakdowns, feeling “broken” by small tasks after injury, and the long process to internal forgiveness.
  • “I struggled with that for a while… did I make the best decisions with the information I had at the time? I did. And it took me a long time to say I'm okay with it.” (Hatch, [125:10])
• PTSD: Injury or Disorder?
  • Hatch prefers “PTSI” (post-traumatic stress injury) over “disorder,” arguing it’s something that ought to improve with work and time, not define a person forever.
  • Both men stress personal responsibility and the need for communities to be honest in recognizing real suffering versus system gaming.
  • Fierce debate over whether those with severe, uncontrolled PTSD should have access to firearms.
  • “I don't think you should own a firearm if you have PTSD, if you have a mental illness.” (Hatch, [98:55])
• Healing & Moving Forward:
  • Both describe healing as an ongoing, effortful process of acceptance.
  • Hatch: “It’s never going to go away. The only thing you can do is figure out how to dance with it and keep going.” (Brent, [136:21])
• Alternative Medicine & Psychedelic Therapy:
  • Brent shares powerful testimony about using Ibogaine and 5-MeO-DMT to finally “love myself” and stop thinking of suicide.
  • “Most of my life, I thought about killing myself. …I’ve not thought about suicide since then. And I can honestly say I love myself.” (Brent, [159:15])

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4. Veteran Culture, Scams, and Service Dogs

Timestamps: [155:01] – [157:58], [160:16]

• Both criticize the proliferation of “look at me dogs” among veterans not truly in need, emphasizing the difference between legitimate need and exploiting a system, which harms those genuinely suffering.
• The burden on the VA to detect “fakers” versus decent providers getting their benefits cut due to rampant system abuse.
• Hatch: “You want to know why that's happening? Because there's so many scammers faking the system. …The only people who can really fix this? Veterans getting out and having the integrity to say, ‘this is what's wrong with me. And this is all. Nothing more, nothing less.’” (Hatch, [161:08])

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5. Special Operations, Unit Culture, and the “Operator” Myth

Timestamps: [29:12], [83:51] – [91:02], [94:50], [105:00]

• Reputation and Truth in War Stories:
  • Deep dive into conflicting accounts of historic operations (e.g., UBL raid), community policing of public figures, and the impact of post-9/11 Navy SEAL media culture.
  • “Something changed in the culture …it was a situation that was created. …At one moment, we're the quiet professionals, and at the next moment, we want the action.” (Brent, [87:28])
• Books and Publicity:
  • Candid takes on the act of writing books/memoirs.
  • “When you write a book and when you tell a story, it's your story. But you didn't do that by yourself.” (Brent, [82:46])
• Inter-Unit Rivalries & Operator Elitism:
  • Hatch and Brent note some squadrons/individuals at “Tier 1” units have been unprofessional toward non-operator attachments or partner units (e.g., Army Rangers), but it’s not universal.

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6. Good Leadership, Community Service, and Paying It Forward

Timestamps: [27:05], [30:23], [53:00], [103:05], [175:14]

• Students at Yale:
  • Uplifting story of having students write to a fallen police officer’s son about courage, and students asking hard questions in class—demonstrating hope for the next generation.
• Continued Service:
  • Both men dedicate themselves to mentoring, supporting first responders, and advocating for animal causes (see: Spike’s K9 Fund).
  • “People go home to their families at night—people like me—because dogs saved my life, and some of them got killed doing that.” (Brent, [56:50])
• Pranks, Brotherhood, Humor:
  • Stories about pranking, SEAL/Delta rivalries, and the necessity of humor and camaraderie in chaotic, high-stress environments.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “War, not peace, produces virtue. War, not peace, purges vice… It unites him with his brothers… Don’t despise war, my young friend, nor delude yourself that mercy and compassion are virtues superior to manly valor.” — Quoting “Gates of Fire” (Read aloud by Hatch, [119:32])
• “The mind is like a hazardous power tool.” — Drew, [158:02]
• On trauma and guilt: “I’d sit there and cry in the shower and then try to hide them and walk out the closet to my family, like everything’s okay.” (Hatch, [131:59])
• “If you incentivize sickness, more people will be sick.” (Brent, [86:39])
• Brent on psychedelics: “I never loved myself until the... I did that. And I've not thought about suicide since then.” ([159:15])
• Brent on student growth: “That's courage, man. It's great. Self-awareness.” ([29:08])
• Hatch, on pranks: “If you out prank me, I will not sleep until I out prank you back. Damn, that's a sickness. Oh, I'm a petty man.” ([73:24])

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Audience Questions Highlight Reel

• Best Civilian Rain Gear for Operators? ([76:25])
  • "Arc'teryx or Patagonia. Hard to beat, for sure." (Both, [76:59])
• Glock or Sig? ([121:19])
  • Both quickly—"Glock."
• Pizza opinions (New Haven debate): ([67:06])
  • “Sally’s, Pepe’s, or Modern—and there’s a local favorite that starts with Z.”
• Service Dogs, Stolen Valor, & Vet Scams:
  • “There are real people who benefit, but if everyone claims one then those truly in need go without.” (Hatch and Brent, [155:19])
• On Writing Memoirs:
  • “It’s self-indulgent… when guys like Matt and Rob saw the writing on the wall… you could use that as currency and you could create generational money for your family.” (Brent, [82:47])
• On Unity in America:
  • “Unity at any cost is tyranny with extra steps.” (Audience superchat, [54:34])
• On American Dream:
  • “No, nowhere else in the world would a guy like me get to stand in front of a class at Yale…” (Brent, [175:46])

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Additional Topics

• Special Operations Humor:
  • Tales of pranks, inside jokes about “SEALs” versus “sealed” team, Internet typos, and rivalries among Delta, SEALs, SAS/SBS.
• Why Not More & Better Candidates for Leadership?
  • Both express frustration that “the greatest country in the world” is stuck with subpar political options.
• Can Military/Mental Trauma Be Fully Healed?
  • Both agree: it’s like a permanent injury—never exactly the same again, but still able to be functional and meaningful.

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Calls to Action & Resources

• Spike’s K9 Fund
  • Providing ballistic vests, medical care, and training for working dogs nationwide. ([56:17], [177:07])
• Check-In App
  • A mental health and accountability tool for veterans and their supporters to get daily check-ins and encourage connection. ([177:06])
• Donations/Support:
  • See 50ftf.org for veteran ruck support.
  • Brotherhood Blades, Vengeance.com, FRCC Shop, Lion Arms USA — episode sponsors/products for supporting the podcast.

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Closing Sentiments

• “We need you guys who give a shit about this country to be kind to each other and figure out how to move to the next step… Our country is a special place, and in spite of its blemishes and all of the things that are wrong. No, no. Where in the world was a guy like me get to stand up in front of a class at Yale University who comes from where I did? Like, that only happens in the United States of America.”
  — Brent ([175:14])

• “You would not believe the healing that comes from honest conversation with your brothers.”
  — Hatch ([145:23])

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For More

• Upcoming: Next week’s live with major giveaway; join the Tier1 Podcast Patreon.
• Connect:
  • James Hatch: Yale faculty, Spike’s K9 Fund
  • Brent Tucker: Tier1 Podcast, Truth in the Dark podcast (live Sundays)
  • Magnet (Lion Arms USA): Custom firearms, merch

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Transcript

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[James Hatch]

Welcome back to another episode of the Tier 1 podcast live edition on a Thursday night. With us, we have SEAL Team 6, operator, retired of course, and Yale faculty member James Hatch.

[Drew Tucker]

Yeah.

[James Hatch]

On the couch we got Magnet, as always from Lion Arms and making it all happen to the best of his abilities. Behind the screens, Drew Tucker. It's a Thursday night live for the boys. Let's go. All right, thanks for sticking around, guys. Let's get right into it. Drew to the super chats. We shall waste no time.

[Drew Tucker]

All right, solely 1, 2, 3, 4 says, what do you think of Trump getting five draft deferments for Vietnam, not serving in the military?

[James Hatch]

Not a good look. Not a good look. I will tell you this. Don't ask me about things I did when I was 18, when I turned 60 to 70 something. I don't think what you did as an 18 year old defines you. But what say you now?

[Brent Huberty]

I agree with you. I think, you know, it was the thing. Like Dick Cheney, conservative, popular guy. Also, there's some folks that were Democrats, the same got the firms. It was really mostly about economic. Yeah. Where you were on that. So the thing, I don't, I don't really. I think that was a trend. If you get out of going to war, you would. And he had the money and the means and I get it. But what I have a hard time with is the guy was born on third base and he acts like he hit a trip. Guy's never been in a fucking fistfight. I mean, you know what, when he stood up after getting winged, I was

[James Hatch]

like, okay, okay, all right, There you go. Give him credit for that for sure. But you're right, he was going on third. Let's not act like it wasn't I'll give you a different spin.

[Brent Huberty]

I'm here for it.

[James Hatch]

Of course, he does some, some pompous things and says some pompous things only every day. He's also done some really good things.

[Brent Huberty]

Like,

[James Hatch]

like he has, he has flown a person in the Gulf War. He, he, he chartered a personal plane or charter, not a personal plane. Bought a personal plane to get the troops home. He has given business. The ncaa, then the NAACP used to love Trump. He used to do things for black businessmen all the time. They loved him.

[Brent Huberty]

Yeah.

[James Hatch]

When he, when he found out Rosa Parks, I believe it was Rosa Parks, when she couldn't pay her rent at the end of her life, he paid her rent.

[Brent Huberty]

I don't think that's true.

[James Hatch]

No, I said it. So it's.

[Brent Huberty]

And it's on the fucking Internet now, right? And it's true.

[James Hatch]

I just made the Wikipedia page.

[Brent Huberty]

Somebody is good on their phone. Find that out. It wasn't President Trump that helped Rosa Parks. If it was, I'm. I have a nightmare.

[James Hatch]

No, no, that's, that's, that's true when I'm talking smack. He, no, he taught Bill Gates how to read. When Bill Gates was a young, a young poor child.

[Brent Huberty]

Right.

[James Hatch]

Didn't have the needs.

[Brent Huberty]

Right. I mean, and he knows more about pretty much everything than anybody at any given moment.

[James Hatch]

Correct. I would. Joking aside with all those ridiculous facts, he does do a good. If, if that were true, if he truly believed that and maybe does truly believe it, I think he's pretty pompous, don't get me wrong. But he still surrounds himself with good people, like any good leader.

[Brent Huberty]

I would disagree with that as well.

[James Hatch]

You don't think Elon Musk and Doge was a good thing?

[Brent Huberty]

No, I think that wasn't actually a very serious effort. I think it was mostly visual. There's no long term commitment to it. And you know how that is if you're going to do something that major. And as I recall, he had a falling out with Elon Musk and they had a breakup and it was very public and then they came back together. Right. So I don't think that was handled very well. I don't think it was handled in an efficient way. I think they ended up firing a lot of people that they had to go back and rehire because it was just jump. I mean, the idea that we should make government more efficient is certainly a good idea.

[James Hatch]

Right.

[Brent Huberty]

Being an idiot about it and blunt forced trauma and just saying the people I don't like. I don't get I also believe this. It's not as much about Trump because people had to vote for him, but I think part of the reason that Trump is in power, this is my opinion, is that we're a nation. That's. The pendulum swings. Right. So we had this whole George Floyd thing, and it was okay to go down and burn down businesses and riot and cause fucking mayhem, but you weren't allowed to go to church because it was Covid. Right. You see, so there's this. There was a double standard, and it. And the pendulum swung really far one direction. I think a lot of what has happened under the Trump administration is a reaction to that. And I think he's into symbology. Not as much as he is into actually helping people.

[James Hatch]

I use. I use it as a joke, The. The Rosa Parks thing, because I knew that was. I knew that was a real story. I knew it wasn't Trump, but that actually did happen.

[Brent Huberty]

Somebody did.

[James Hatch]

The little. The owner of Little Caesar.

[Brent Huberty]

Yes, that's right. Yeah. The pizza guy. Yep.

[James Hatch]

The pizza guy. Of. Of. Of all people.

[Brent Huberty]

There's no doubt Trump's done a lot of good things and he's done, you know, he's helped people here and there. Of course, he's also sent a lot of businesses into the ditch.

[James Hatch]

You don't think not to again? Well, I mean, it's a political argument. So now it's political. You don't think the Democrats sent more businesses into the dish because of COVID Covid absolutely wrecked.

[Brent Huberty]

But that's not really the point. That's. See, and this is a common thing in our political discussion right now is if I say something about Trump. Well, the Democrats. Okay, let's say they did.

[James Hatch]

Right.

[Brent Huberty]

Okay.

[James Hatch]

That's the one thing I get heated about.

[Brent Huberty]

Do I think it's not a Democrat

[James Hatch]

thing and not to cut you off?

[Brent Huberty]

No, no, no.

[James Hatch]

I get heated about. I'd be heated if the Republicans did that.

[Brent Huberty]

Yeah.

[James Hatch]

Our response to Covid just crushed Americans. Crushed Americans.

[Brent Huberty]

I agree. And I think.

[James Hatch]

So I do get a little emotional

[Brent Huberty]

about that, but I do believe. So do I. And I do believe many should have seen Yale during that. Holy man. Right. So. But I think what happened was there were people who genuinely thought it was the right thing to do. I don't think anybody was actually going out of their way to try to anybody over. Except when you are a person who owns a business where these riots happen and they just let. Come in and burn your down, I think it's hard to come back from that. But let me get back to The Trump stuff. Yeah, you and I are, I would consider myself very positive law enforcement person, the backer. And then when I hear people say, oh, Trump backs law enforcement, I gotta call on that. Because the guys who got their heads bashed in and people almost got killed on January 6th were cops. And he's let people out of jail, pardoned them, and he's trying to raise money to let them defend themselves or whatever, bail themselves out somehow. That's not pro law enforcement. If, hey, what he's saying is, you're in my gang, you can, you can break the law.

[James Hatch]

I did, I did an episode on that. So I, I did a deep dive on this and I'm, and I'm, I can't, I can't sit here and rail against BLM and be like, yeah, January 6th is okay. Anything, anything that any of them did against law enforcement, I won't tolerate. But all what, what happened a lot was if you were just there, you got a, you got a blanket, you got a blanket punishment. And guys were in jail for up to years trying to defend themselves. There was a lot of people, the blanket punishment, you go, you go look into this and it'll blow your mind just because you were there. It did not start out as, as a riot. And some people showed up late after the riot was open and just doors were open and people, and people, peace. Most people peacefully walked in.

[Brent Huberty]

Yeah, for sure.

[James Hatch]

But then they did a blanket punishment. I want the people we have, I think we have the technology, there's cameras, there's the people who did things wrong. Let's punish them. But we can't do a blanket punishment.

[Brent Huberty]

Well, we did a blanket pardon. Right. So maybe that's the, you know what I mean? Like, so it's difficult for me to hold. He's a hypocrite. Every. I'm a hypocrite, you're a hypocrite, we're all hypocrites. But here's the thing. I don't believe this is the bottom line with him. I don't believe he gives a fuck about making the country united. I think he wants the country to look the way he believes it should look. And I don't think he gives a fuck about what other people think, genuinely. And I don't think that's the best look for the leader of our country.

[James Hatch]

Let me ask you a follow up question then.

[Brent Huberty]

Yeah, yeah.

[James Hatch]

Do you think he truly, his intentions are good? Do you think he truly wants to make America great again? Do you think he makes decisions that, that he believes are best for the country.

[Brent Huberty]

No, I believe he makes decisions. I mean, how many deals do his son's businesses have with the dod? How.

[James Hatch]

How did.

[Brent Huberty]

How did Elon Musk's Starlink double triple their rates to the DoD during. And nobody even mentioned it. I don't trust the guy. I think he's a liar. I don't trust him at all. And I think he wraps himself in the flag and talks tough and he talks too much and causes a lot more problems than he solves. I genuinely believe that. And listen, I love my country and I want to. Look, there's people around him that I think are good people. I don't think Pete Hegseth is one of those. I think that dude's way out over his skis.

[James Hatch]

And I, I know. I get. I'm not, I'm not looking for.

[Brent Huberty]

No, no.

[James Hatch]

A tit for tat, you know, and this. But this is, this is where I usually like draw the line, you know, of sorts. And I'm here for it. And you're vocal about this and that's fine.

[Drew Tucker]

Yeah.

[Brent Huberty]

Well, we got him.

[James Hatch]

Right? There's not a thing we're about to talk about tonight that it goes. Gets awkward in the garage after this. Not a thing. Were you just as upset about Hunter Biden's dealers dealings? And that's all I ask.

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[James Hatch]

That's all I ask. You know, I just is. That's right. I just asked. And. And if. So now. Let me walk. Let me walk you back for just a second.

[Brent Huberty]

And I wonder Hunter Biden thing have anything to do with our relationship with Ukraine. Right. I mean, you spent some time in Ukraine.

[James Hatch]

I can't hurt it.

[Brent Huberty]

Well, hold on. Or could it. You see, I'm going like, if. If you're a person who thinks that what Hunter Biden was doing was not on the up and up. No. Right.

[James Hatch]

You see where I'm going, right? The stats that there's. Yeah, but see, there's no way anyone. There's no way that can be defended. But. But no one seemed to. The news organizations truly didn't really carry that story a whole lot.

[Brent Huberty]

Again, you know, we talked about that early.

[James Hatch]

We did. On the record again.

[Brent Huberty]

What do people want to hear?

[James Hatch]

That's right. They want to.

[Brent Huberty]

They want to be pissed off. And look, I think too with the president, man, like. And he's our president. Right, Right. But I have kids in my class that are RTC kids and, and they're stepping out and I worry about that. I don't think he's got the best top people running business, you know, And I don't think his motivations are where they should be.

[James Hatch]

I'll tell you why I like Hegseth. I'll tell you why.

[Brent Huberty]

Are you serious?

[James Hatch]

Sure.

[Brent Huberty]

Wow. Sure.

[James Hatch]

He's at least bringing back common sense standards to the military. And for that I, I appreciate.

[Brent Huberty]

I do too. But that's where he like, come on, man. You were in the service for how long?

[James Hatch]

20 years.

[Brent Huberty]

So a guy shows up, the first thing they do is talk about PT and haircuts. You're like, okay, this guy's a amateur. They want to fly the generals and admirals in for all over so they can get up on stage and dance around and talk about haircuts and PT they could have done that with an email, man, for sure.

[James Hatch]

And here's where I differ a little bit about that, which is this. I take a different perspective on it. I think it's. How pathetic has our military gotten where we actually need to talk about haircuts and physical fitness that has become to somewhat a standard. And I'm not anti.

[Brent Huberty]

No way to argue that I'm not anti general.

[James Hatch]

Like, I'm. I'm not. But I will tell you, I. The more, the higher up I got and the more time I got to spend with generals, the less, the less I was enamored by. By generals. Some of them were great.

[Brent Huberty]

Yeah.

[James Hatch]

Some of them okay.

[Brent Huberty]

Yeah.

[James Hatch]

They got there somehow. And so these people will. Will call everyone else above, like, below them and be like, hey, I am the general. You are going to come to me. We're going to have this meeting when something's wrong. They have the ability to do that. I'm not saying they all do, but.

[Brent Huberty]

Yeah.

[James Hatch]

Well, guess what, generals and admirals, you have a boss too, and he can call you in.

[Brent Huberty]

Yeah.

[James Hatch]

And if you as a general called, thought something was so important that you needed a. A cultural readjustment and then your subordinates went off and complained about it, that general would. Heads would roll.

[Brent Huberty]

Yeah, I got you. So.

[James Hatch]

So I think they've gotten so big, you. You forgot you have a boss too. And you can't get lippy about your boss either, because you wouldn't. You wouldn't allow that to happen under your watch. That's. I guess that's my, My point on that.

[Brent Huberty]

Yeah, man. I guess I'd need to kind of be in the root for those discussions. But I think.

[James Hatch]

But it. But to bring this around real quick, to bring it full circle. This. You want to know my big. My Biggest problem is.

[Brent Huberty]

Dude, do tell.

[James Hatch]

This is always where. It's always where I bring it back together. Is Trump great? No. I voted for him. I thought he was the lesser of two evils. Is. Is what I thought.

[Brent Huberty]

I just didn't vote.

[James Hatch]

Did I? Don't.

[Brent Huberty]

I don't blame you, and I kind of do. I feel bad.

[James Hatch]

Was. Was Kamala great? No. Was. Was Biden great? No. And now we can go all the way back to. Because I'm talking about who. Who Trump ran against. Was Hillary great? No. My biggest problem is we are still. I know we agree on this. We're the greatest nation in the world, and those are our two options, right? Trump and Hillary, Trump and Biden, Trump and Kamala Harris. That is what we should be more upset about. Why is that what we have as a nation to choose between?

[Brent Huberty]

I think it's money. I think it's Citizens United. That's what most of the smart people would say when we made money become a part of a big part of the politics. I think that's. I mean, think about it. If a guy like Trump can say, hey, man, yeah, I don't need a paycheck. I'll be the president. We'll get this stuff personally financed. I mean, I can see that. I. I don't believe there's going to be any way for elections to be fair with that amount of money involved.

[James Hatch]

There has to be reform.

[Brent Huberty]

Yeah.

[James Hatch]

And who can put money into our

[Brent Huberty]

elections and listen to us like, we know all.

[James Hatch]

And these. I just know enough to be dangerous. And we've got to. We've got to do wave with these packs and super. And super packs and. And who can have money is influence. And. But unfortunately, the only people that can make the law to do that are the people who benefit from our. From our corrupt system. And so.

[Brent Huberty]

But there's good people out there trying to fight both. Both sides of the aisle. Like, I'm a big fan of Mark Kelly. He's a friend of mine personally. And he's like, he doesn't take corporate money. He doesn't.

[James Hatch]

I love that.

[Brent Huberty]

He's a really good. You should. You should have him on, man.

[James Hatch]

Okay.

[Brent Huberty]

He's like. He's a funny dude.

[James Hatch]

Let's go back to another. Another super chat.

[Drew Tucker]

All right, Jimmy, did you experience negativity at. Due to being a veteran, you make friends with people you didn't expect to.

[Brent Huberty]

Yeah, man. That is a really emotional thing. So I got there, I was scared to death, and I thought, oh, man, these guys are going to think I'M a monster. And you know, they're going to. I mean, look at my arms tattoos. I'm not the kind of guy that shows up at Yale unless it's like, as a. I don't know, somebody coming to tow somebody's car or something. So my, like, my first day there, I'm walking in between my first and second classes, and there's a bunch of dudes working on the church on Hill House Avenue, which is this really pretty street at Yale. And they look like us. They're dudes with tattoos and, you know, smoking and shit. And I walk up and I'm like, hey, man, can I smoke? And the guy's like, sure. Like, what are you doing here? I'm like, that's my first day of classes. And they're like, what? And I'm, you know, I'm their age. So I was definitely not part of what the normal undergraduate situation looked like.

[James Hatch]

Okay, but.

[Brent Huberty]

And I thought, okay, I look like this and the kids are going to be kind of intimidated by me. But, man, on Veterans Day, that first semester I had, some of the kids had walked up and been nice and said, hey, you know, introduce themselves. And I'd started to kind of hang out with them and I really enjoyed it because they were from everywhere. And anyway, this one kid, his name's Nick and he's still a dear friend, and I. He ran for state office in Pennsylvania in a very MAGA hat kind of district. And he is not one of those. And I told him I'd write a skateboard to campaign for him. So I actually went, but his name's Nick Jacobson, and in fact, he's getting ready to start at the Yale Law School. And I love this kid. But he walked up to me, I didn't know him, and he handed me a card and I was shocked. And I'm like, what is it? And I didn't really make the connection with Veterans Day. I hadn't said anything to anybody. I just kind of maintained a low profile. And I opened the card and he had had all the kids in this directed studies cohort that I was the first non traditional student to be in. They signed it, thanking me for my service.

[James Hatch]

That's awesome.

[Brent Huberty]

And I cried like a little kid, man. Like, I didn't know these kids even knew I was there. Except, like, I remember the first day I showed up in class, they're like, hey, are you the tech guy? I'm like, well, no.

[James Hatch]

Yeah.

[Brent Huberty]

No, I did not ever. No one has ever been disrespectful to me about my service. There are people who I've had people say to me flat out, I totally disagree with, blah, blah, blah, but, yeah, you're a human being, and you did what you thought was the right thing. And I've never had any over it, ever. No one's ever been disrespectful to me at Yale or even remotely rude, you

[James Hatch]

know, love to hear that. It's only a matter of time.

[Brent Huberty]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I've had some of the kids. Students in my class square me away.

[James Hatch]

Oh, really?

[Brent Huberty]

Oh, yeah. Yeah, dude, that's. There's some funny stuff. Yeah.

[James Hatch]

What's we got?

[Drew Tucker]

Let's see. It says Drew and solely says Drew. Any Bible verses have taken care of animals? Yeah, there's quite a few. So the first is in Genesis. It says that we're to have dominion over the creatures, and. And that dominion is stewardship. Proverbs 12:10 says that the righteous takes care of his beast, and the wicked, their mercy is cruel. And then there's a lot of laws in the Old Testament law that says if you see your neighbor or your brother's animal in trouble, you're not to walk away from that. By law, under the Old Testament, you were to help your neighbor's animals if they were in trouble. There you go.

[Brent Huberty]

That's cool.

[James Hatch]

Drew, you know too much.

[Brent Huberty]

Yeah.

[James Hatch]

Animal Bible verses.

[Brent Huberty]

Hey, man, we got it.

[James Hatch]

I love it. I love it.

[Drew Tucker]

All right, the Prussian. All right. It's good to see you, man. Who did the halibut on the poop deck?

[James Hatch]

Who did the halibut on the poop deck? Does that make sense to anyone?

[Drew Tucker]

Maybe to the navy guy, James. Halibut. Make us Google stuff.

[James Hatch]

Oh, the Prussian. Do. Do me. Do me a solid. See if you can reword it or explain that one, please.

[Drew Tucker]

All right, the poop deck is the lower deck on the boat, right? I. I don't know where the poop goes.

[James Hatch]

We're moving on.

[Drew Tucker]

All right, help us out.

[Brent Huberty]

All right.

[Drew Tucker]

Just another 11. Bravo. Paying my late fee. Just left the range. Sorry.

[James Hatch]

Actually, you. It's. You're just fine for being late today. He doesn't even know we had issues, dude.

[Drew Tucker]

That's how late he is.

[James Hatch]

That's right.

[Drew Tucker]

All right, Daniel Hayawatsi says he needs a tier one piss bottle inside. Podcast joke.

[James Hatch]

Yep.

[Drew Tucker]

The real Justin says jizz Row, the super seal sits when he pees.

[James Hatch]

Oh, gosh.

[Drew Tucker]

More inside jokes on the tier one podcast, solely. 1, 2, 3, 4. Says, imagine you're back to the time after your shot Would you take a pill that stops the mental suffering that follow, or would you want the pain because it helped you overall?

[James Hatch]

Oh, what do you got?

[Brent Huberty]

If I could make sure that I still had the same wisdom that I received from going through all the. I put myself through after.

[James Hatch]

Yeah.

[Brent Huberty]

That's the only way I ended up here.

[James Hatch]

Yeah, that's. That is that.

[Brent Huberty]

Unfortunately, I had to kick myself in the junk for a couple of years and my family and the people who love me and.

[James Hatch]

Yeah, we talked about that on the podcast.

[Brent Huberty]

Yeah.

[James Hatch]

Without hard times, there's no growth. Whether that's happens in your childhood and I hate it.

[Brent Huberty]

I hate it.

[James Hatch]

I hate it.

[Brent Huberty]

Can't we just have one easy get it right? No, we.

[James Hatch]

We joked about, but I'm 46. I'm still doing. It's not. I usually don't make the same mistake twice.

[Brent Huberty]

You're a toddler if you're 46.

[James Hatch]

I usually don't make the same mistake twice. Here's the problem. I'm really, really creative with my first mistakes, so that's why I keep having to learn lessons.

[Brent Huberty]

Right. I think you probably ought to lend me that car for a few weeks because you might get in trouble with it.

[Drew Tucker]

All right, let's see. Zulu whiskey says, what's up, boys? Are you the dude from the famous lollipop picture?

[Brent Huberty]

Yeah.

[James Hatch]

Do you know. Do you know what that is in reference to? If. Because if not, then you're not him.

[Brent Huberty]

It's when I was on the helicopter with the lollipop, the fentanyl lollipop in my mouth.

[James Hatch]

Oh, were you really?

[Brent Huberty]

Yeah.

[James Hatch]

That's funny.

[Brent Huberty]

Yeah. Yeah, that was. It was actually.

[James Hatch]

The boys do their research. They know.

[Brent Huberty]

It was actually funny because I was a piece of. In multiple ways. That night. I did not bring my fentanyl lollipop. Remember how they made, like, the custody of it, you know, you had to sign and all. Like, it was a. And guys would lose them and go through investigation, you know, like, I'm like, that. I'll never get shot,

[Drew Tucker]

dude.

[Brent Huberty]

I'm laying there screaming like, somebody give me the lollipop. Mike Tucson gave me the lollipop and had to go back in a gunfight. So don't leave your lollipop.

[James Hatch]

I'll make you feel better about. No, this is awesome.

[Brent Huberty]

I'm so glad I came. This has with me my whole life.

[James Hatch]

So I get shot. Yeah. The tourniquet. The tourniquet hurt worse than getting shot. Yeah. It basically tore my arm. Almost. Almost tore my arm off.

[Brent Huberty]

Damn.

[James Hatch]

How close were you? Probably about 10 yards, 10 meters.

[Brent Huberty]

Yeah.

[James Hatch]

The. So I do get my fentanyl lolly pop out out of my, out of my shoulder pockets where I always kept it. I did remember it. I was like, this hurts. Oh, maybe this will help. It did not help. Another buddy of mine was shot through and through in the calf, like just a little bit away from me that night. And, and my nods were shot off. So damn. I'm walking. And we were on, we were doing, we were running down squirters. So it took us 45 minutes, an hour to get back to this shot up small patrol to get back.

[Drew Tucker]

Damn.

[James Hatch]

And so I'm holding on to people because I can't, I'm, I can't see anything. And whoever is in front of me, I'm like, hey. I'm like, hold on the shoulders. You got your fit in a lollipop. He's like, yeah, yeah. And so I, so I take his fit and lollipop. This random person. There's only four of us or Americans, right? And then I look back, I'm like, hey, you got your fit in the lollipop. And it's, and it's Frank, the guy who shot. He's like, yeah, Brent. And there it's Frank. I was like, oh, no, yo, you keep it. He's like, nah, man, I'm good. You can have mine. So I, I, everyone else's the patrol. And I ate the little lollipop of the guy who was also shot.

[Brent Huberty]

This trip has been worth it every minute of my life. I am now not the biggest piece

[Drew Tucker]

of in the room. Thank you.

[James Hatch]

He said he didn't need it. I needed it.

[Brent Huberty]

Yeah. Hey, dude, I needed it.

[James Hatch]

Yeah.

[Drew Tucker]

Aaron Farales says for those of us unable to be in New York this year for the ruck, what can we do to help support the project?

[James Hatch]

I'm sure you go to 50forthe fallen.com and go, and go donate. It's a, it's a foundation. There's always. Yeah. It's usually advantageous to them to make it easy to, to donate.

[Brent Huberty]

That's it.

[Drew Tucker]

The website is50ftf.org There you go.

[James Hatch]

Thank you.

[Drew Tucker]

Five zero f t f.org and Bo's watching.

[James Hatch]

He's probably very, he's very disappointed in me that I didn't get the, the website right. So thank you for correcting me on that.

[Brent Huberty]

Oh my gosh. I just saw one of those things from Hugh Conrad up there. See that you seriously.

[James Hatch]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Brent Huberty]

How proud of us were you after our second paper submissions. So their first paper submission. Remember I told you I had that police officer and his dog come in after they'd had a use of force, okay. And they saw the video and they walked through, you know, their first paper. I said, joe, the police officer, I said, joe has a son. He's six month old. His name's Theo. And, and I want you guys to write a paper. I want you to write a letter to Theo telling him what courage means.

[James Hatch]

Right?

[Brent Huberty]

That's the name of the class. Courage in his shadows after meeting his father.

[James Hatch]

Okay?

[Brent Huberty]

And dude, those, those. Those letters would make you cry like it was. It was a beautiful. Like it was. It was amazing. So the second one, we had a different speaker and I said, pick a national level political leader and write them a letter based on what you've learned from the conversation with the police officer and then with Jack Smith, the guy who was the prosecutor for President Trump. He was the second speaker. And write this political person about what you have learned from both the police officer and the formal federal prosecutor. And they fucked. You know, they just went their political. It was like a political hack thing. And I went through all the papers and I circled all the eyes. I, this, I think you, this, I, this, I. And I handed them back to him and I was like, look, you guys, you're human. You sound the way a lot of people think arrogant Yale kids would sound.

[James Hatch]

And they're like, whoa.

[Brent Huberty]

And it really, like, it hit. It was awesome. So, Hugh, thank you for that. Hugh is also the guy, by the way. He was the kid who looked Jack Smith in the eye in class and said, hey, man, I voted for President Trump, but how do we stop dehumanizing each other? That's courage. Yeah, that's a. That's courage, man. It's great.

[James Hatch]

Self awareness.

[Brent Huberty]

Yeah.

[James Hatch]

Too.

[Brent Huberty]

Yeah.

[James Hatch]

All right, Drew's. Keep going.

[Drew Tucker]

Just not 11B says, I was born, grew up, and just south of Salt Lake City. Remember Camp Williams kind of fondly. That's where I pissed on my company xo. Wow.

[James Hatch]

Sounds like a story there.

[Drew Tucker]

Memorable.

[Brent Huberty]

All right, now.

[James Hatch]

All right, what else?

[Drew Tucker]

Bruce Wayne says. Hey, Brent, it's Seth from last night. Wanted to say thank you again for taking the time and speaking to me over the phone last night. Thank you for the amazing advice. The flag will be on its way soon. That's awesome.

[James Hatch]

I was telling you about, you know, I was talking to a SWAT guy.

[Brent Huberty]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[James Hatch]

Last night. That's. And that. And that was him out of Texas, a little bit smaller SWAT team out of this. He had some Tactical questions for me. And I was like, you know what this phone call worthy, you know, because, because you know, when you get into those CQB questions we. You have to flesh out all the variables. You know, it's never that simple. Or is it hostage rescue?

[Brent Huberty]

Is it.

[James Hatch]

Do we need to go fast? Do we go slow? I probably talked to him for over an hour last night and didn't know him from. From Adam but loved love to do it and that's just another way like that we try to. We put our money where our mouth is and we don't care.

[Brent Huberty]

Small town.

[James Hatch]

You can call me if you have a problem there. There are people you can. You can reach out doing care enough to. To talk to you.

[Brent Huberty]

So you guys in New Haven hear that?

[James Hatch]

Seth, I really appreciate you doing that man. And, and that gives me an opportunity to talk about it. Otherwise it'd sound really pompous of me to be like, hey, no one knows this, but let me just tell you about a cool thing that, that I did, you know, so. So I appreciate you saying that. Giving opportunity to talk about it.

[Drew Tucker]

Jack Crowley, thank you so much for the love. The Prussian says, who would win in a fight a sealed or a green gray?

[Brent Huberty]

Depends on the fight. Depends on what the rules are. Right? There's. I've actually gotten the water with some dudes that were army guys who were pretty fucking good in the water. So you got to be careful what you wish.

[James Hatch]

I have a. I have a problem that no matter how much I try to to make sure it doesn't happen, I can't shake and that is misspelling things and it sucks. Green gray was. Was episode one. So it's a long canine canine handler from 10th group bow and I. I woke. I wrote Special Forces green gray rather than beret. My eyes never saw it. I fixed it after a couple hours of being up too late. Too late. The Internet never forgets.

[Drew Tucker]

Well, the G and the B are right next to each other on the type on. On the keyboard.

[James Hatch]

I wish that was the last thing I misspelled, but that I probably misspelled three or four things after that.

[Drew Tucker]

Let's see. Drew Crowley says hashtag Mama J. Purple robes say, do you really have purple pajamas?

[Brent Huberty]

So this is a funny story. Jay Crowley is the mother of the wife of a fellow with whom I used to work. And her. This fellow's wife and my wife are close. And this is this my friend's wife's mother. And she had a tactic when her daughters would go out and be out past Curfew, she would put on her purple robe and get in the car and drive to where the party was and go in. In the purple robe. And so when we heard this, we all bought purple robes. And it's just kind of a tradition in our family.

[James Hatch]

Here's. Here's a cool story just from, you know, whether it be Seal Team 6, Delta 2 2. You know, those guys living together. And it's not a competition when they get together, they're best friends.

[Brent Huberty]

Yeah.

[James Hatch]

Dunk Bailey was. Was on here and he was a. He was a two two guy. And the SAS had a compound in Bagram. Not B, just Baghdad. Biop and the Delta Force had an adjoining compound. And they were doing missions, sometimes together, usually separately, but working on the same task force. And at some point, like, you know what they were. It was who was joined. Sharing a wall. They're like, screw this. And they put an explosive up and they blew a hole in the wall so they could hang out with each other and not have to walk outside and walk around and knock on the door. That's the show that they're brothers.

[Brent Huberty]

That's awesome, man.

[James Hatch]

While they were doing that. So they. They had got these like, odie green jackets and. And had some name tabs put on them. It's the Delta guys. Oh, once you get those old school, like green jackets, like, they look like Rambo jackets. And they were like, yeah, they cut our rainbow Jack Rambo jackets. So they bought them for the Delta Force guys and whatever their name was, they put Bo on the end of it. Kind of like Rambo. You know what I mean? So I love those, you know, Drew Bow.

[Brent Huberty]

I love those dudes. When we. Magbo, whenever there was misery and I didn't work, I worked with the sbs obviously more.

[James Hatch]

Right.

[Brent Huberty]

But whenever it was miserable and shitty, those dudes were always hilarious.

[James Hatch]

They were. They were always. It's like they got funnier.

[Brent Huberty]

Yeah.

[James Hatch]

Oh, man. And that's who you want. That's who you want to work with.

[Brent Huberty]

100.

[James Hatch]

All right, what else we got, Drew?

[Drew Tucker]

All right, we've got JBAD 99 says oldest universities ranked number one, Harvard, number two, William and Mary in Virginia.

[James Hatch]

William and Mary. There you go.

[Drew Tucker]

And he's an alumni of.

[James Hatch]

That's an inside information.

[Drew Tucker]

I carry some PTSD from attending it. And then third. Third is Yale. But fun fact, St. John's is sometimes called third oldest because it was King something before it was called St. John's and so whatever that college was, it's called King something. I don't remember what it's called.

[Brent Huberty]

Okay, well, St. John's is awesome. They do that old books, classics thing, too, and that's really cool.

[James Hatch]

You know what's crazy? I mean, I've. I don't know. What's Yale's mascot? I don't even know. Hold on, hold on. Hopefully I talked over it. Yes, Drew, do you know what it is? You might have heard it, but do you know what Yale's mascot is? No. Do you know what Harvard's mascot is?

[Drew Tucker]

Don't remember. I know I want to take a swing at it.

[James Hatch]

I feel like I know every mascot in football, and I can't tell you.

[Magnet]

I didn't know they had football teams.

[James Hatch]

Yale and Harvard still play football. It's, like, been going on for 100 some years.

[Brent Huberty]

Yale bowl, it's like 80, 000 people, and they. It's like 8, 000.

[Drew Tucker]

It's probably like watching a soccer game.

[James Hatch]

All right, what's. Back in the day, what's the oldest mascot?

[Brent Huberty]

Bulldog.

[James Hatch]

I feel like I did know that

[Brent Huberty]

they call him Handsome Dan, and I'm thinking about getting. I'm thinking about getting a Malinois.

[James Hatch]

Yeah.

[Brent Huberty]

When my. My service dog is. She's 15, she's gonna die soon, and I. When she's. I'm thinking about getting another one and call him Nasty Dan. Oh, nice to go out to, like, the lacrosse games. What's.

[James Hatch]

What's Harvard's mascot?

[Brent Huberty]

I think I. I think it's a silver bowl or something like that bowl or bull bowl. B O W L. I'm. I don't know. I have no idea.

[James Hatch]

Please, please look that up and let us know.

[Drew Tucker]

John Harvard the Pilgrim. John Harvard the Pilgrim.

[James Hatch]

All right, I'll take the bulldogs over there.

[Brent Huberty]

All right. Hey, Harvard's no joke.

[James Hatch]

All right. All right, what else we got? Let's keep going, Drew.

[Drew Tucker]

All right, let's see. Just another 11. Bravo says starting a fun to get the tier one podcast off of AOL

[James Hatch]

fiber Internet here. That is not the problem.

[Drew Tucker]

Something happened. I didn't touch nothing. All right, solely 1, 2, 3, 4. Says when doing soft training, don't quite. I'm sorry. Don't quit. Like, tier one podcast. Don't quit their dodgy WI fi.

[James Hatch]

We don't have dodgy WI fi. I won't stand for it.

[Brent Huberty]

Gotta continue on with the mission. That's right.

[Drew Tucker]

No, don't tell them that. Guys, donate. We need WI fi. We need WI fi.

[Brent Huberty]

True. If you people weren't cheap asses, we'd probably be a little bit better on the band width.

[Drew Tucker]

Daniel Hati says this is what happens when you start on time.

[James Hatch]

I know that's what we said. We start on time. We're actually notoriously late. 804, 805. And then I was the one, right. And so Drew was like, hey, you want to get him? I was like, no, he knows 8 o' clock means 8 o'.

[Drew Tucker]

Clock.

[James Hatch]

Then we had to restart it and I don't even have that in anymore.

[Brent Huberty]

Yeah, it's never happened.

[Drew Tucker]

Let's see. Right wing nut says, didn't Berg doll convert to Islam? The dang Muslims didn't even want him. They gave him back.

[James Hatch]

I'm. I don't remember. No, enough. I feel like at one point, because we. I'd done several train ups for that and I feel like I did hear that. But I'm sure when. I'm sure he was doing what he had to do to survive.

[Brent Huberty]

Yeah, I think that's my take as well.

[Magnet]

Was it five years?

[Brent Huberty]

I think five years.

[James Hatch]

Yeah.

[Brent Huberty]

Yeah, yeah, five years. And it was not. He did actually escape. And they, when he did that changed things dramatically for him.

[James Hatch]

Do you know what they did to him when he tried to escape when they got him?

[Brent Huberty]

I know they put him in a cage.

[James Hatch]

They put him in a cage and then they.

[Brent Huberty]

It was like a mattress springs. That's what he was on.

[James Hatch]

And if I remember right, wasn't like just mattress springs. Whatever it was, he could put his feet down through it. So maybe it was like maybe cut out or something like that. But maybe it was match of springs. They would. Because he tried to run away, they would burn the bottom of his feet.

[Brent Huberty]

Feet. Yeah.

[James Hatch]

And then when they would heal, they'd come back and burn the bottom of his feet again.

[Brent Huberty]

Kept him from going. Yeah.

[James Hatch]

Time served.

[Magnet]

Five years.

[James Hatch]

Time. There's nothing we can do to him that. That the Taliban hasn't. Hasn't already done. Yeah, he's all right.

[Drew Tucker]

Jared Rosen says, I think Andy Stump is the only public figure in the space to be honest about the Tim Kenned situation. Why is that? Why is Jocko silent on the topic?

[James Hatch]

I don't know. I think, I think. I think we were pretty honest about it. Yeah. Yeah. You think it's implied. Besides us?

[Drew Tucker]

I guess it better be.

[James Hatch]

All right, this is not me attacking Jocko. I don't need. I don't need clickbait stuff to, to try to get further in this. We. There's all sorts of things we could do. But I will answer. But I will answer a question if you ask it. So why do I think Jocko is silent on the. On the topic? I don't. I don't know. I don't know it was. But I'm. I am disappointed and I'd love. And, hey, Jocko can get a hold of me. I try to try and probably try to get a hold of Jocko. If he hears this, I'd. I would absolutely love to talk to you about it and I'll. And I'll correct this record, but Jocko has, you know, makes a living off of extreme ownership. And then when the Tim Kennedy stuff came out, rather than saying something about it or saying, hey, we have a podcast with this guy that, that put out bad information, they just silently removed the, you know, the episode and didn't. And didn't. Never addressed it. Maybe he thought that was enough and maybe he thought that removing the episode was extreme ownership about it. I don't know. I. You'd have to talk to him, you know, so there you go. Yeah. You're at Yale, you know, at the time. You're. You're still in the special operations community. Do you remember, like, catching wind of this whole, like, Tim Kennedy stuff is. Are you tracking it at all? Maybe.

[Brent Huberty]

I know. I. I know that he's an ex. I think he, like, I'm pretty. I jumped a bit with John McPhee, and I really like that guy. I'm sure he's fun, but I think he. I remember John did some stuff with him early on, but I don't know. I just know Tim's a fighter and he's. There's been some things, honestly, I kind of try to stay out of because

[James Hatch]

he wrote a book that was absolutely full of massive fabrications.

[Brent Huberty]

That seems to be the right.

[James Hatch]

And. And. And John McPhee wasn't too far behind him.

[Brent Huberty]

I've heard some folks say that I should like John, though. He's funny, I'm sure.

[James Hatch]

Oh, yeah, I'm sure he's funny.

[Drew Tucker]

Nice. Arch says good evening from the great state of Texas. I just made the SWAT team this last week. I will be going to Paul Howells SWAT School. Thanks for being a part of me being tier one. I am pumped.

[James Hatch]

Let's go. Night, Sarge. I'm pumped for. For you. You're. You're going to. You're going to go off and do some. Some great things. Things that other men who didn't have the courage to challenge themselves and go out to be a SWAT team will not get to experience, but you will because you went out and you went after it. And got it. So congratulations.

[Drew Tucker]

Korsoff says Mr. Hatch, among Gen Z faith and academia, the medical establishment and the NGO expert class has been demolished. Is that deserved and is there any going back?

[Brent Huberty]

Yeah, I think, Kane, I don't know exactly what you mean by demolish. I think. Are you talking about the USAID stuff and the funding and all that kind of stuff that's been going on under this president administration, if that's what you're saying? I do. There's been some definite, I mean, there's people out there documenting like the human toll on some of those things. Conversely, it's not hard to find places in those organizations where there was waste. And I think, you know, I'm the knuckle dragger that, you know, slipped into the doors of the Ivy League, you know, because they thought I was a janitor maybe. But I honestly believe that there's somewhere in the middle is the truth there. I think that, that there's waste, fraud and abuse in most government, any bureaucratic place. Unfortunately, the way we're taking care of that is by being bombastic about it and, and separating people and us versus them kind of thing. I don't believe that we're, that NGOs are ever going to go away. I don't believe that they should, nor should they. Right. And I, and I don't believe that, you know, the usaid, that type of idea is a, is going to go away. But I definitely believe there's been some major damage and I don't know enough about the situation to be able to say to you, yes, this is specifically what's going to happen or what's not going to happen. But let me say this about that. I believe that using guys like me and Brent has become the easy button. And I think, you know, when you can say, hey man, fellas, go snatch this leader of this country. And it can happen in a matter of hours. You know, there are people who've never had to deal with the consequences of war that all of a sudden think it's a really neat thing. So I think we should take a very good part, a significant part of the defense budget and put it into the Foreign Service and make it the foreign service, a serious institution. And that comes back to, I think that the point you're trying to make, but that's an organizational thing and a big government thing. That would take a lot of time. So I do believe that we're in a space right now where we're spending a lot on the military, clearly, and not other things that Might preclude the use of the military if we spent some time trying to work things out.

[James Hatch]

All right, solid answer.

[Drew Tucker]

Sully 1234 says thoughts on SEAL Eric dimming US Marines saying Jocko was coward in war caused Marine and civilian deaths. Deming criticized Marcus Luttrell too.

[Brent Huberty]

I don't know this person or the but that seems like the criticism is there. The only criticism. I have never met Jocko. I know one guy that I worked with, in fact one of the guys that saved my life that did know him. I do know that he was invited to come and try out. He had a name on a locker and never showed up. I think he wanted to do something else. I don't know the man. I don't know anything about him. It's easy to criticize people that are public and get out and talk about things like it's easy to criticize me. I've gotten out on in my book and other podcast things like that and I think that's just part of the deal. And if you're going to be public, you just got to learn to live with it.

[Drew Tucker]

Yeah, right wing nut says what do you think about them shooting an unarmed woman? And my son is a SWAT cop so this isn't an anti police thing.

[Brent Huberty]

Is that for me or Brent? Yeah, I think it's my personal opinion that I don't think that woman should have been shot in the face. I think the guy put him in a position, put himself in that position and it ended up he put himself in front of the vehicle. That's just my opinion and based on the conversations I've had with the cops that I'm close to. Conversely, and I've said this to my class, it's pretty stupid to go out and run around with armed guys that are pissed off and been told that people are trying to kill them and laugh and joke about it and think it's a funny thing. I don't think that woman deserved to get shot in the face, but she sure as wasn't spending her time wisely.

[James Hatch]

Correct.

[Drew Tucker]

See, I thought he was asking about January 6th, so I guess it's no

[James Hatch]

woman got shot in the face on

[Drew Tucker]

J6 not in the face but it doesn't say shot in the face.

[James Hatch]

Oh, I thought I said sorry. I'm sorry.

[Drew Tucker]

Shooting an woman. So I, I mean I don't know if it's going to be the, the ice thing or the January 6th thing.

[James Hatch]

I have an opinion on, on, on, on both actually. I just, I hate telling cops. This is just what I What? What? I. What? I. I hate telling them because I just. You can't stand in front of a car. How about. How about we make a. How about we make the standing rule to civilians? Don't run over cops. Like.

[Brent Huberty]

But she didn't really run over him.

[James Hatch]

Did. Well, here's. And of course, it's always a little bit. She absolutely charged the car. She didn't run over him, but he was standing in front of the car and she. She goosed it and he had already been dragged by a car. Did you remember that. That part of it, by chance? So, you know, he has that. And it is like, don't make his ptsd. Right.

[Brent Huberty]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[James Hatch]

So when. When. When cops have their guns drawn to you and saying, get out of the car, the vehicle.

[Brent Huberty]

Let's.

[James Hatch]

Let's just do that. That's just pretty crazy.

[Brent Huberty]

I still don't know that she needed to get shot in the face.

[James Hatch]

It was. It was a consequence of her actions

[Brent Huberty]

and a choice by him. And he was the guy with a gun. And look, I don't envy that position.

[Drew Tucker]

When you're. When you're a short woman behind the driver's steering wheel, that's all that you can see.

[James Hatch]

Yeah. Well. And. But it goes back to. Let's just keep. Let's just keep, you know, you know, peeling back the onion and. You already said it. I don't think she's making a wise, know, choice of her time.

[Brent Huberty]

Right.

[James Hatch]

Like, why. Why do you think you've never been shot in the face by a cop.

[Brent Huberty]

I just did what they said.

[James Hatch]

It's pretty. That's. That's. That the day. Yeah. Whether. What. No matter what, it's actually really easy to not get shot in the face by. It's so easy. It's so easy. I've covered this on the January 6th thing before. I. I don't think that that girl should have been shot, but it's different. You're like, well, that's. That's. Where's your consistency? You said that girl should have been shot. Now it's a January sixer and she should not have been shot because as always, circumstances are different. One does have a weapon, if you will, a vehicle, and the other one was clearly and obviously unarmed and pose no. No threat. That's. It's my opinion. I don't. Not going to.

[Brent Huberty]

Right.

[James Hatch]

Bash anyone else on that. And again, because I did. Because I did a deep dive on. On this. She was. She did not like confined spaces. And people kept on pushing in there and pushing in there. And pushing in there and she was trying to escape the horde, not push forward into.

[Brent Huberty]

And she was getting pushed.

[James Hatch]

Right. And so she decided, hey, let me get away from this massive, like, crowd of people that are confining me. And it cost her life. But guess what? Can I, at the end of the day, let's roll it back. You want to know why I've never been shot in the Capitol, right?

[Brent Huberty]

Because you don't go to the Capitol and on Nancy Pelosi's desk.

[Drew Tucker]

Yes.

[Brent Huberty]

Right.

[James Hatch]

So I've also, I'm consistent as well. You know, let's, let's, let's roll it back.

[Brent Huberty]

But I would also say, and this is what bothers me about these discussions, the things that took place to create that situation, those things count, right? All of the, all of the, the, the dramatic language, the US and them and you know, all of those things, that's leadership, creating an environment. It's creating a, an atmosphere of conflict. And you and those things count.

[James Hatch]

Right.

[Brent Huberty]

And that's why leaders count. And I don't. You know, we were talking about problems with, my problems with President Trump. That is my problem. He doesn't give a, about bringing us together. He's decided that if you don't believe things the way he does.

[James Hatch]

Right.

[Brent Huberty]

You're not an American.

[James Hatch]

I will. And again, just not, not just like the, blindly like. No, no, but this is the discussion, right? No, no, because we did, you know, because of the January 6th thing. I, I, you know, we, we, we looked into it. I mean, Trump did say we will go down there and we will march peacefully. It's what he said. He also said in other parts of his speech that, hey, we need to stand up, you know, and, and fight for our country. Context clearly shows what he, what he really meant by that. But it could have been taken out of context. And so you, as a leader, like, you have to, you have to know what, what your words have, you know, the power your words have and make sure that no one can take it out of context. My other problem is, is we played about a five minute compilation of the other side. You know, you still can't call him a Nazi. You still can't say we have to take this guy out. You can't say Joe Biden. Well, yeah, you can.

[Brent Huberty]

It's America. But you're an.

[James Hatch]

Right. I'll take him behind the gym and, you know, and, and punch him. And there's just, just clip after clip after clip of them also inciting violence. 100 Again, I say inciting violence. I want to be very consistent in context, do I really think they were inciting true violence? I would hope not. I would hope not. I think they're talking about, you know, metaphorically and fight, you know, and things like that. But it's happening on both sides. Let's return to civility.

[Brent Huberty]

I agree with you. The only way to do that, though, is to have somebody who has the big microphone say, hey, man, chill.

[James Hatch]

Give you that.

[Brent Huberty]

Let's.

[James Hatch]

Starts at the top.

[Brent Huberty]

Yeah, no, I'm with you. It's both sides for sure. And I remember, like, you know, I mentioned earlier, I'm pretty good friends with Gabby Giffords, and I. And I met her when she was on a congressional delegation. Delegation. She came to Kanahara, and I took her on a tandem jump. And like I said, man, I shot a lot of people in the head. None of them lived. And she's walking. She's my hero.

[James Hatch]

That's crazy.

[Brent Huberty]

But that's what she. She's a Democrat. But I remember talking to her. She was. I'm like, what's a blue dog Democrat? Like, what is that? She goes, well, I live on. In the part of Arizona that's on the border, and I'm a Democrat, so we're, you know, liberal, blah, blah, blah. But part of my constituents are ranchers, and they are taking heavies because of the traffic that's coming across the border. Right. And she got really into it. Like, she was proud of that. Like, that was something. Like she was.

[James Hatch]

Love it.

[Brent Huberty]

But not long before she got shot, what was her name? Sarah Palin.

[James Hatch]

I do remember her.

[Brent Huberty]

She put, like, a sniper's thing on her.

[James Hatch]

I do remember that.

[Brent Huberty]

And I remember Gabby saying to me, and I talked to Mark about this, too, but I remember Gabby saying she was going to these town hall meetings during the. They called it Obamacare, but the Affordable Care act. People were screaming at her. And she called and she said, jimmy, I'm really afraid somebody's going to walk up and shoot me in the face at one of these things.

[James Hatch]

It's been so long. Do you remember why that guy did it? I don't know.

[Brent Huberty]

He was out of his. That kid was out of his mind. He was seriously mentally ill. And then. And this can take us to another thing that is also a problematic discussion. You know, it's the guns. And, you know, here's my problem with all of the talk about those things is at no point does anybody say, what is the responsibility of the people who live with someone like that.

[James Hatch]

Oh, I love it.

[Brent Huberty]

The kid, the parents who, you know or you know, this kid who was a college kid who got kicked out. They made him leave school because he was mentally unstable. The kid was rolling with a Glock with a 30 round clip in it. Yeah. I mean, somebody knew the kid had that. And then. Right. Like, we have to kind of.

[James Hatch]

I, I wonder if, if your kid, no matter how old, if he lives in your house and uses your gun, you will bear some sort of responsibility.

[Brent Huberty]

Has to be.

[James Hatch]

I don't have a problem with that. Yeah, I know. But I'm. There's a reason I'm not king for a day. Like, I. Like, you know, there's. We need balance in this world. Like, you don't want me making laws. It wouldn't be good. I don't have the empathy. I know that.

[Brent Huberty]

Like, but I think it's good to have that tension and we can. You know what I mean? Like, let's talk about that. Like.

[James Hatch]

Right.

[Brent Huberty]

Pulling both ways.

[James Hatch]

Yeah, absolutely. What else we got?

[Brent Huberty]

Drew?

[Drew Tucker]

Kane Corsov says unity at any cost is tyranny with extra steps.

[Brent Huberty]

Okay.

[James Hatch]

That is, that is true unity at any cost. That's interesting. Unity at any cost.

[Brent Huberty]

So then you would say that all of the politicians that are, that are united with President Trump are tyrannical.

[James Hatch]

Yeah. So I don't think.

[Brent Huberty]

Because I would. Right.

[James Hatch]

I don't think there's such a.

[Brent Huberty]

I'm

[Drew Tucker]

having a hard time because like you, you eliminate people that don't agree with you so that you can have unity.

[James Hatch]

That is also part. There's. There's two parts of unity at any cost. And that's why my brain's going back and forth, back and forth. There's. There's a violent side of it, of unity at any cost. If you remove people, you'll get unity. You'll also get unity, which start shooting people enough. Yeah. You'll eventually get the unity you want to.

[Brent Huberty]

You want people to, to switch to Islam.

[James Hatch]

The other way to get to unity is extreme compromise. But extreme compromise at what does. Doesn't provide unity at the end of the day. Take a couple. Right. If one cup. If one.

[Brent Huberty]

Yeah.

[Drew Tucker]

It's going to be resentment.

[James Hatch]

There's going to be resentment. So you don't really have true unity. Yeah, I don't know that. That's interesting. Yeah. So I think, Dom, the only way for true unity is to remove people. So. Yes, that is tyranny. Yeah, absolutely. Good, good. Look, we. I love our audience.

[Drew Tucker]

Canine Indie Actual says huge shout out to Jimmy and Spike's canine for keeping our canine Unit Ballistic. Vested and safe day to day. Much love, brother.

[Brent Huberty]

Thank you. And I have, you know, I kind of. I was the founder of Spikes Canine Fund, but Emily Gray runs it. And I kind of stepped out of the kind of the day to day operations because I wasn't smart enough and I was too emotional about it. And Emily's really, you know, the organization's doing better, they've improved and, you know, there's a lot of things that they're working on right now. And I'm starting to dip my toes back into it and see, you know, where I can be of value. Look, man, we need, you know, these dogs aren't volunteers and.

[James Hatch]

Right.

[Brent Huberty]

And there's people that go home to their families at night, people like me, because dogs saved my life and some of them got killed doing that. And they don't know what we're asking them to do. And we use their loyalty as a tool against them to keep us safe. So Emily and the rest of the crew at Spikes Canine Fund are getting after it. We have trainers that are teaching people, trainers from units like mine, units like Brent. We have guys that have incredible talent and skill trying to help. All we need is the resources to spread the news and get these, like, particularly these small rural communities where there's one or two police dogs that don't have access to the funds so they can get proper training. You know, we need everybody's help with that and those dogs damn deserve it. And, and I appreciate you bringing it up and I'm grateful that I was able to do something. You know, they've helped out over 3,000 dogs in all 50 states. And you know, with medical care, with ballistic protection, the best ballistic protection you can buy. Training. We didn't realize that training was such a need until we did a podcast with, it's called Working Dog Radio. And they, I asked them, I'm like, you guys know the community. What's the biggest, you know, lack? And they said training. And it makes sense because, yeah, the dog can only be as good as the training.

[James Hatch]

Correct.

[Brent Huberty]

And that what the human gets, the human is the person who decides how well that dog is. We need to make sure the humans are trained. It's a, there's a lot at work there. And the dogs deserve it. And they do. They keep our community safe. They find, you know, the, the way these guys that are hiding, you know, porn, children, stuff on these little thumb drives, there's dogs that can sniff those things out. I mean, they do so much for us.

[James Hatch]

Yeah.

[Brent Huberty]

And we really thank you for having me on. Thanks for the question because it's important.

[James Hatch]

Thank you.

[Drew Tucker]

Do we take a commercial break at this point?

[James Hatch]

Let's do it. Commercial break.

[Brent Huberty]

I got a pee.

[James Hatch]

We'll be right back.

[Drew Tucker]

All right.

[Brent Huberty]

That's awesome. I'm glad we're talking about the Trump stuff.

[James Hatch]

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[Drew Tucker]

Let go of the button.

[Brent Huberty]

There it goes. All

[James Hatch]

right. Hello.

[Drew Tucker]

Yeah, we're on.

[Brent Huberty]

Just.

[Drew Tucker]

I don't know why my.

[James Hatch]

Well, you figure it out. I'm trying to figure out people entertained. Let's see here. I'm gonna go right on to buff like Jesus Sally peeps for Modern Pizza. There is only one right answer and it starts with an S. It's got to be.

[Drew Tucker]

I wonder if those are pizza places in his around Yale. Yeah. Oh, all right.

[James Hatch]

I'll. I will wait. I will wait for him for.

[Drew Tucker]

I don't know why these. I'm hitting the buttons and these videos aren't playing. We got gremlins tonight, Bo.

[James Hatch]

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[Drew Tucker]

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[James Hatch]

You're going to like it.

[Drew Tucker]

We also have. Do we want to do it now?

[James Hatch]

Magnet.

[Brent Huberty]

What's up?

[Drew Tucker]

You want to show that shirt? It's hilarious.

[Magnet]

You guys have it.

[Drew Tucker]

Put it up on the camera.

[Magnet]

There's two.

[Brent Huberty]

Oh,

[Drew Tucker]

you guys are gonna like this. You guys gonna like this shirt? I laughed when I Saw it. Tactical hot dog.

[Magnet]

You guys asked for it. I did it.

[James Hatch]

He's done it.

[Magnet]

Last night there was a drop on the Patreon. So if you guys aren't Patreon member, the go to line art lion underscore arms. It's on my story right now. These just drop their 25 plus shipping.

[James Hatch]

There you go.

[Drew Tucker]

Yeah, buddy. That's a funny shirt, man. Good job on that one, Magnet. Good job.

[James Hatch]

Speaking of Patreon again, we're just making up some time for a break to get everyone to give everyone a break. The next Thursday should be. We're giving away these panos. These digital, digital panos. They're not the analog, not L3, $50,000, but the. They cost me four grand and I bought them to see how good they are and I'm giving them away. So I'm gonna release a episode tomorrow giving my review on them, how good I. I think they are. James will let you. I'll let you look into that and see how good four thousand dollar panos are.

[Brent Huberty]

I've never looked at the other panels. We didn't have them.

[James Hatch]

Oh, that's right.

[Brent Huberty]

Yeah. Okay, well, so they'll be great to me.

[James Hatch]

So. Yeah. The only thing, you still have a week to join Patreon. You don't have to do another sign up. Just join Patreon and you're automatically entered and you just might win. I say that it's this whole setup. It's the helmet, the battery pack, the ear pro, the. The. The helmet mount and the nods, the whole shebang. And I'm giving away because I already bought it. I had to buy an IR illuminator because I wanted to. To really test them. And I'm going to give you that IR flood and illuminator as well with it. Join the Patreon Tier 1 podcast.

[Drew Tucker]

Brent, are you gonna sign the helmet?

[James Hatch]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Brent Huberty]

Cool.

[James Hatch]

I will ask the Patreon member if he wants me to sign it. I'll absolutely sign the. The.

[Drew Tucker]

You can get it with or without.

[James Hatch]

Yeah, absolutely. So that's pretty cool. No one, no other podcast is dumb enough to buy four thousand dollar digital nods and then Panos and then just. I'll just give them away.

[Brent Huberty]

We are it.

[James Hatch]

We are that dumb. We are that dumb.

[Drew Tucker]

Stick around.

[James Hatch]

Absolutely. All right, let's get back to it. Let's keep it rolling.

[Drew Tucker]

But like Jesus says Sally's Pepes or Modern Pizza, there is only one right answer and it starts with a S.

[James Hatch]

I feel like that's a Yale question.

[Brent Huberty]

No. So New Haven, Connecticut Is seriously the pizza up there. Like, people travel from all over to have the pizza there. And there's three major places. Sally's is one. Pepe's is probably the most famous and then modern. And Sally's and Pepe's are located in this Little Italy part of town. And then I will. I will let this person have the S. He wants Sally's to be the number one. But there's a local's favorite. Oh, that.

[James Hatch]

Some inside baseball.

[Brent Huberty]

Go ahead and. And it. And starts with a Z. I'm just gonna leave it at that.

[James Hatch]

All right. All right. What else we got?

[Drew Tucker]

Let's see. Kula Naughty says you're a Delta Force operator pleaser. Find your balls and speak out against the Israel problem or be late to the program because it's a touchy subject.

[Brent Huberty]

Find your balls, dude. That's a great way to get a response.

[James Hatch]

All right.

[Drew Tucker]

For 4.99.

[James Hatch]

Just.

[Drew Tucker]

Okay, Israel subject. For 4.99, I'm not gonna have an

[James Hatch]

emotional response about grabbing my balls.

[Brent Huberty]

What's the Israel problem? That he's.

[James Hatch]

Because Jews run the world and Jews are the reason that we grab Maduro. Jews are the reason we went after Iran. Jews are the reason we have transgenders. Jews are the. You name it, what's the problem? Jews are the reason.

[Drew Tucker]

You know.

[James Hatch]

Yeah. So instead of me grabbing my balls, how about you grab your brain? And. And what I mean by that is you're telling me. I saw a clip the other day. It was so funny, and it was someone talking about how we support Israel, you know, in their air defense system, and essentially they wouldn't exist without us. And so Israel can't do anything without us, yet Israel runs us. Logically.

[Brent Huberty]

Yeah.

[James Hatch]

No sense at all. Here's the other problem again. Here's the other problem. I have it. It really has to do. I have at the. At the moment, which I don't believe in aliens. And that can be another whole nother discussion. I'm fine with that because I don't see the. The overwhelming evidence. I don't even need overwhelming. I just need.

[Brent Huberty]

Nobody can keep that secret.

[James Hatch]

That's right.

[Brent Huberty]

No way.

[James Hatch]

I'm glad you mentioned that. No one can keep that secret. So if Jews run the government, you're telling me the hundreds of reps we have at the House of reps and the hundred senators we have, not one has the fortitude to come out and say, hey, I just want to let you guys know, the Jews have been trying to tell me exactly how to vote, and I won't stand for it anymore. There's absolutely no evidence. The evidence is everyone on the Internet trying to find things.

[Brent Huberty]

Trying to.

[James Hatch]

You already have an end state decided and you make everything line up for that. So until you can come to me logically, even though I don't believe it, I will listen to it. I have no problem listening to it. I don't think that's going to win your argument. You're going to have to come a little bit better that we see how I came with things like logic. Reason. You should try that. Give. Give that a whirlwind.

[Drew Tucker]

All right, Deville. Thank you for the. The love there, brother. Unlisted X2Y says James. Are you Skull and Bones?

[Brent Huberty]

I am not. I am not Skull and Bones.

[James Hatch]

I bet they have cool T shirts. They better have to.

[Brent Huberty]

They don't. Do. They don't? No.

[James Hatch]

That's the worst secret. Then what's the why I'm getting the secret?

[Brent Huberty]

Because it makes people talk about it. It's cool, right?

[James Hatch]

Tell everyone how cool you are.

[Brent Huberty]

Well, maybe.

[James Hatch]

I don't know. Yeah. All right, what else we got?

[Drew Tucker]

Brent Huberty says. Cheers, gents. $50.

[Brent Huberty]

Oh, nice.

[Drew Tucker]

Keeping the lights on. Thank you very much. Zulu whiskey. Thank you, sir. The Prussian back in to talk about the poop deck. He says it's a song by Georgie Georgenson.

[Brent Huberty]

Okay.

[James Hatch]

Oh, old school song.

[Drew Tucker]

Who did the holut on the poop deck? When my. My dad was in the Navy, that was a popular song.

[James Hatch]

All right, all right, all right.

[Brent Huberty]

Thank you.

[James Hatch]

Thank you for clearing that up.

[Drew Tucker]

You have to look that up.

[James Hatch]

That was gonna bug me. All right. Have to look that up. Oh, Bo. Speaking of Darren. But Healer, there's both. Looks like he's gonna get what he wants. He always does.

[Drew Tucker]

Above average state of Texas. Exitune Pantera, this love banker. But he didn't. He didn't pick out the. The hollow butt on the poop deck.

[Brent Huberty]

You guys got some regulars, man.

[James Hatch]

Well, yeah. Oh, we do.

[Brent Huberty]

That's awesome. That's awesome.

[James Hatch]

At this point, it's so funny. If I ever. I almost don't want to meet them. I say that tongue in cheek, but, you know, like, it's like I. I only know them by their screen name, and I feel like I know them by. By the way they make comments. And so if I meet. If I meet them for real, I'll find out, oh, that's not who you really are. That's like. That's your Internet Persona. Like, oh, you're just a normal person. No, I just want you to Be this ridiculous Internet Persona for me, because that's how I've known you for months and months and months.

[Drew Tucker]

Gray beard operator, he says, I just wanted to thank everyone for the help on my GoFundMe, you know, from last week.

[James Hatch]

That's last week. Absolutely happy to do it. Thank you for everything you've done for this country.

[Drew Tucker]

I think he updated. He said, I think they're up to. They're north of 4,000, maybe about 4,600 bucks.

[James Hatch]

Okay.

[Drew Tucker]

But today a. A sheriff presented them with some foreclosure information. So really facing that.

[Brent Huberty]

Yeah.

[James Hatch]

Okay. Keep us. Keep us. I'm serious. Keep us updated. If. If we need to get more involved, then. Then we will Just another lemon.

[Drew Tucker]

B says, I did make it here for the glitches.

[James Hatch]

Dang it didn't even. Didn't even get away with that. Yeah, glitches.

[Drew Tucker]

All right. Deville says, have you ever got out pranked? Rumor has it you're quite the prankster, Jimmy.

[Brent Huberty]

These are allegations.

[James Hatch]

These are allegations.

[Brent Huberty]

I don't know where, honestly. Like, I've never really been a pranker. I don't know.

[James Hatch]

Okay, so that might be on me then, because they didn't say who it was for.

[Brent Huberty]

Yeah, maybe. Probably.

[Drew Tucker]

Oh, yeah, it could be you.

[Brent Huberty]

I've never really been a pranker.

[James Hatch]

Never been out pranked. Never been out pranked. In fact, if you out prank me, I will not sleep until I out prank you back.

[Brent Huberty]

Damn, that's a sickness.

[James Hatch]

And it is. And it. And it doesn't have to be tomorrow.

[Drew Tucker]

He's petty.

[James Hatch]

It doesn't have to be next week. Oh, I'm petty. I'm a petty man.

[Drew Tucker]

Petty like that.

[Brent Huberty]

I. Yeah, I think pranks are immature, you know?

[James Hatch]

Oh, they can be. Don't get me wrong.

[Drew Tucker]

Like, nobody said they weren't.

[James Hatch]

Certain pranks are like, it better be funny, you know, don't ruin anyone's stuff. Don't do this, don't do that. Like, a good prank is well thought out. Funny hurts no one. That's what you want. That's a. That's a good prank. And those and that. That takes some thought. Anyone can do a stupid. Anyone can light dog poop on the front porch. That's stupid.

[Brent Huberty]

Right?

[James Hatch]

It takes real intelligence to pull off a true prank.

[Brent Huberty]

Slinging a. Like a magnet through somebody's wallet on Friday.

[James Hatch]

Right.

[Brent Huberty]

So when they go to get gas in their truck, their doesn't work. Yeah, yeah, I know. I just think pranking's immature. I don't know why anybody would do it. Personally.

[Drew Tucker]

I'M a love the game.

[James Hatch]

Oh. Because did. Did you. Did you hear? I did to Andy when he came.

[Brent Huberty]

No, you're poking the bear, man. You're poking.

[James Hatch]

All right. It is limit. Sure. Yeah, for sure. But that's why I like to put on. That's why I like to put on this.

[Brent Huberty]

I love a prank.

[James Hatch]

This. Okay. I like to put on this serious or, you know, jovial like and then. And then hit you when you. When you're not really expecting it. So when Andy Stumpf came on the show, he did it just like we did. He did a recording and then there was a couple hour break and I took him to dinner. While he was at dinner, we removed everything out of the studio and we brought in a hot tub and when he came back and we brought shorts for him and a tank top, you know, so again. And we did the live in a hot tub.

[Brent Huberty]

Oh, my God. And I had.

[James Hatch]

This was anti hero when I had a co host. So me and inflatable me, Andy and Tyler.

[Brent Huberty]

See, I wish I'd have known that. I probably should have done some.

[James Hatch]

So, yeah.

[Brent Huberty]

Background.

[Drew Tucker]

I mean, we should have presented you, Jimmy, with like a Harvard sweater or something like that.

[James Hatch]

Right? So.

[Brent Huberty]

Right.

[Drew Tucker]

And.

[James Hatch]

Oh, trust me. And I'm glad I get to remember those pranks every now and then because Andy's never got me back. Yeah, Andy will. Yeah, that's right. Oh, yeah, Andy.

[Brent Huberty]

He'll take you for a ride in the helicopter and kick you out or some over the lake, you know, and

[James Hatch]

if he's really smart. So I know his prank is going to be intelligent and you won't sniff it out and it won't. It's.

[Brent Huberty]

He's writing it in a special language

[James Hatch]

right now, you know, or just knowing Andy, he's just playing the long game. He's like, I was never going to do anything to you. It was better for you to always worry doing something to you. Anyway. Yeah.

[Drew Tucker]

10th Mountain veteran. Thank you so much for the.

[Brent Huberty]

Thank you.

[James Hatch]

Thank you.

[Drew Tucker]

Thank you very much. Absolutely. We'll put that to good use. Hack half sack full of nades says. Cheers, boys. Finally able to get back on live. Been too long. Love y' all keep holding that Tier one standard.

[James Hatch]

We try.

[Drew Tucker]

TBD Sear says. Hey, boys. Question for both. What civilian rain jacket shell did you run the most selfishly, I'm buying a new one and need opinions. Voodoo Godsmack.

[Brent Huberty]

Sure, I use the one they gave me, but. No, but we had smart guys that were geek gear geeks. And so I think we used a lot of North Face stuff.

[James Hatch]

Arc Teryx Art, North Face Arterics. It's a lot easier to buy our terics when the government's paying for it. I don't think I'd ever buy an arteryx, but they're a little pricey.

[Brent Huberty]

Yeah, for sure.

[James Hatch]

Or Patagonia.

[Brent Huberty]

Yeah, Pataguchi.

[James Hatch]

You can't go wrong with those things.

[Brent Huberty]

And they're guaranteed.

[James Hatch]

Like, they work.

[Brent Huberty]

You just send it back. And if they can't fix it, they give you a new one. Yeah, Patagonia is hard to beat. For sure.

[Drew Tucker]

K9RB Ron says, First time giving. And Jimmy, thanks for what you are doing and to help the pups here in Nashville.

[James Hatch]

Nice.

[Brent Huberty]

Wow, man. Thank you. Nashville's an amazing town.

[Drew Tucker]

Just another one. B says BMS equals Brent Misspelling syndrome can be cured at leering centers.

[Brent Huberty]

Nice.

[James Hatch]

Touche.

[Brent Huberty]

They're not letting you go with that, are they?

[James Hatch]

No, every. Almost every week. Almost every week.

[Drew Tucker]

10th Mountain in again.

[James Hatch]

Oh, thank you.

[Drew Tucker]

With another big gift.

[James Hatch]

He must be halfway into an FRCC bourbon bottle. Keep going, buddy. No, thank you so much, brother.

[Drew Tucker]

Absolutely. Just another love. B. Says you're never late when it's your formation.

[James Hatch]

That's true.

[Brent Huberty]

That's true.

[James Hatch]

That's a good rule.

[Brent Huberty]

I like.

[James Hatch]

That's true. Yeah.

[Drew Tucker]

He also says starting a fund to defend the CAG daddy from slander, lawsuits from all of Navy.

[Brent Huberty]

Yeah, I'm here. I'm trying to get some evidence against his ass. And I really, What I want is that car in the garage.

[James Hatch]

It was, was, was Rob on the teams when, when you were in.

[Brent Huberty]

Yeah. Yeah.

[James Hatch]

And Matt Bissonette was your two. I see. Or just on your team.

[Brent Huberty]

Yeah, he was the two, and he probably should have been the one. He's smarter than me. Yeah, I used to. Definitely one of the most talented guys. Seriously.

[James Hatch]

Yeah, I, you know what's funny? I, I, I do. I tell. I hear good things about, about Matt. Yeah, I do. I, I'm not just saying this. I'm just saying. Yeah, I, I hear 50, 50 things about Rob. I've heard people say good things about Rob. I've heard people say, you know, yeah, not necessarily bad, but he was, he was an average operator. But guess what? You'll never work so hard to be average in your life in a, In a tier one unit.

[Brent Huberty]

Yeah, you know, I think, you know, with, with. I actually have something to say about all of that. Right. Because I know both those guys. And, you know, I've written a book. In fact, it's funny, the guy whose

[James Hatch]

name you've said that a couple times. Want to make sure it gets out?

[Brent Huberty]

Yeah, it's called Touching the Dragon.

[James Hatch]

That's right.

[Brent Huberty]

Which is funny because the guy I wrote it with was a Harvard guy. This is before I went to Yale and I'm like, yeah, I'm a Yale guy, but my book was written by a guy from Harvard, so Eczema as

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[Brent Huberty]

I think. In I want to say it was 2004 or 5. Maybe it was 6 or 7. The Navy it was after Lone Survivor I think the Navy put Together they hired a production company and they put together a movie called act of Valor. And in the first, in the credits on it, it said, these are real seals using real tactics and procedures and equipment, which flies directly in the face of every bit of guidance that we've ever been given about opsec. Right. So at the same time that that happens, Lone Survivor goes down, the Chris Kyle thing, and it's embraced, really, by the community, and it creates this new kind of way for people to turn their experiences into currency. And when you see generals and admirals writing books, right, and you see guys that did the real heavy lifting being told to shut the fuck up. Yeah, right. It's hard. And I'm not. Look, I'm not saying that what I did by writing a book was right or wrong. I actually think it was right. And I tried to do my best to make sure that I didn't give anything away that was problematic. But it's worth saying, when you write a book and when you tell a story, it's your story. But you didn't do that by yourself. I'm telling stories about things that other guys were in there with me with. Right. So that's selfish. It's self indulgent. When I believe that when guys like Matt and Rob saw the writing on the wall, that you could use that as currency and you could, you know, create generational money for your family.

[Magnet]

Right.

[Brent Huberty]

It's hard. Look, by the way, when you write a book, at least, like with my. Because I wouldn't use Navy SEAL in it. I didn't make any money. Right. But look, we can all have strong feelings. I think Rob suing you is insane. Personally, I don't understand it. But when you go out and you start talking things and saying things about, like, historical events, boy, you better be tight. You know what I mean?

[James Hatch]

Yeah. Right.

[Brent Huberty]

And the problem is, especially with Rob, I think more. And I'm not super tight in the community, but he's really alienated himself. And so the guys that do know the truth.

[James Hatch]

Yeah, I think that's. We talked about this before. If you don't say anything, I guess, positive or negative, we're just in a world where they just assume the negative. Maybe or because I'm being sued that, you know, that I'd beat that I'm negative towards Rob. Not happy about the lawsuit.

[Brent Huberty]

No, I wouldn't be either. But yeah, yeah.

[James Hatch]

I don't. I don't. By no means do I wish ill of Rob. Like, I. I think he's dealing with some demons for sure. You know, I think. And I, I want. And I even said it in the episode, I was like, yeah, I want. He's. He has to live with this. And I'm. It's. It's taking a. A toll like, you know, lies always do.

[Brent Huberty]

Yeah.

[James Hatch]

On a. And if he were to, you know, ever decide, like, you know what, I, Yeah, I'm. I'm going to come clean. It's just not worth any more, you know, effort. Maybe this is the only way to live a better life. And I'm. At least try it, because this way isn't helping. I would, I would hop on a plane tomorrow to run out there and grab a beer with that guy and tell him I'm proud of him.

[Brent Huberty]

Yeah.

[James Hatch]

I don't want anything bad to happen.

[Brent Huberty]

That would be. That would be really cool, actually.

[James Hatch]

Don't. I do. So I have a question for you. And this is just, you know, reading you as, as a man and not, not trying to be controversial, put you on the spot. Just, you know, we've hung out long enough now, like, I'll send this one.

[Brent Huberty]

Yeah.

[James Hatch]

It's not leading. It's not. You weren't there, so it makes it even, Even easier. Weren't. You weren't on that radio, though. You worked with both of them. You were. You. You were from that squadron. Why do you think this is just as. Is a genuine question.

[Brent Huberty]

Yeah.

[James Hatch]

Why do you. Of course, I choose to. To believe. We'll. We'll just put these two right. Yeah, I, I choose to believe, Matt, for, you know, for my reasons. And some people who don't. Sometimes you don't know enough about a subject, so you say things like, oh, it's basically two versions of the same story.

[Brent Huberty]

Right.

[James Hatch]

And it's just not true. How is it on one mission, two guys, you know, from the same squadron and one guy says, hey, that guy wasn't even anywhere close and it was just me and ubl. And the other guy was like, yeah, we, we stormed to the third floor because that's where we knew he was. And forest alters went in there and we all, we all took our turns shooting at him. Those are two, like, wildly different stories. How do you get two different stories of that decree on the same mission? Because I know this like in ars, and, and just us talk like that. You never, you. You might get another point of view from, you know, from what someone else was doing.

[Drew Tucker]

Right.

[James Hatch]

But their information actually only even though it's different when you hear it, it actually helps the story. Right. Like, it fills it in Blanks.

[Brent Huberty]

Yeah.

[James Hatch]

These two stories aren't. Aren't working in Tangent. They're. Yeah, it's like two people on two different missions. How. How does that happen?

[Brent Huberty]

Well, again, this is my opinion. I. I think once you turn something into currency.

[Magnet]

Yeah.

[Brent Huberty]

Say, for example, we talked about the veteran stuff. When you make sickness something that you can get rewarded for, like, people are gonna be more sick. Right.

[James Hatch]

That's right.

[Drew Tucker]

Yeah.

[James Hatch]

So that's. That's another hard truth, I think. Yeah.

[Brent Huberty]

I think there's so much rumor, and again, you know, I just wasn't there, and I've heard lots of different things, and I don't really know what the truth is, but what I can say is something changed in the culture of the community and when. I don't know what it was with those guys individually that made them decide to do those things, except that they must have lost respect for the community in some sense, in some way that.

[James Hatch]

Look, man, I think that's very true, by the way. I think they lost respect for the community, and that's even a judging way. But right quick, just to add on to that, when you feel like the community you gave everything to has now turned its back on you. I get it. Yeah, I get it.

[Brent Huberty]

But I think in that case, I'm not.

[James Hatch]

I'm not justifying. I'm just saying I get how you get to that point for sure.

[Brent Huberty]

Especially when, you know, you've done the. Both those guys did a lot of deployments. You know, honestly, they earned their paychecks, and they were both talented guys. Right. And they still are. And the part that makes me sad is that it became, again, it was a situation that was created. The atmosphere was such that that was an option. Like, you know, when I first got to. To Naval Special Warfare Development Group, like, that wasn't even. Like, you wouldn't like, that wasn't even on the table. But, you know, we didn't have act of Valor. We didn't have Chris Kyle. We didn't have Marcus Troll standing up at the Republican National Convention. Like, these were.

[James Hatch]

All right.

[Brent Huberty]

All encouraged.

[James Hatch]

Yeah.

[Brent Huberty]

So it became

[Drew Tucker]

a norm.

[James Hatch]

You want to hear an unpopular opinion?

[Brent Huberty]

Yeah.

[James Hatch]

It's probably from your. From your. From your community. More. Yeah, more or less. Which might make it even worse that I'm the one who likes it. I like that movie.

[Brent Huberty]

The Zero Dark Thirty.

[James Hatch]

No Active act of Valor.

[Brent Huberty]

Yeah. I never watched.

[James Hatch]

I know it was a little cheesy at times. The acting wasn't necessarily the best at times. Holistically, like, the message and like, Navy seals right here taking out bad guys. And the tactics were generally good and everything, like. Yeah, I'm sure there was, like, the Hollywood knee slide. You know, spice it up, you know, give some entertainment. I liked the movie act of Valor.

[Brent Huberty]

Hey, I never saw it, but, you know, this is something that I think is true of any part of special operations, whether it's the army or the Navy, the Air Force, whatever. At one moment, we're the quiet professionals, and at the next moment. We're not. We want the ac. You know, there's a reason you push yourself. There's an ego part of it as well. And I think when you get to a place where you've been told these certain rules are the way they are, and then all of a sudden the people who are setting the rules are breaking them, I know you're like, okay, ego's going to run, you know.

[James Hatch]

One of my favorite scenes in that movie, I think he was a boat guy. You'll either love it or hate it. There's a scene in the movie. I'm gonna ruin it from you real quick, but hopefully you watch it where they drive a truck into a river trying to get an extraction, like, as the boat. And they're getting chased by all these guys. Yeah, they have a. You know, they have a fallen teammates got shot in the face, and they're trying to give them, you know, medical attention. And they're like. And they're trying to get the boats there, like, hey, we're coming in. Are you gonna be there at the, at the. At the rendezvous spot? They're like, we're like, we're 30 seconds out. Like, we are too. And they run the truck into the river. When the truck kind of goes into the river, it clears a. Like a field of fire for the. What are those boats called? The swick boats.

[Brent Huberty]

Sweet boats. Right, the river ones?

[James Hatch]

Yeah, the riverine boats. And they just open up on the bad guys with the miniguns and destroy everyone. I was like, oh, that's. I've never seen a movie like, try to make the riverine boats look cool. And those guys couldn't have looked any cooler. That's awesome because they, you know, they, they, they. And they inserted them, like, you know, flying low in a river, attached to, like, a chinook, and they drop it and the guy's fast rope into the boats and they get moving knowing that the boys need them. It's awesome.

[Brent Huberty]

Yeah, it's awesome. Good. Well, anyway, but at that point, you

[Drew Tucker]

say when the bolt pulled up, when

[Magnet]

the boat pulled up, with the miniguns going out.

[James Hatch]

Oh, I get goosebumps thinking about it. It's because. Because it's this. It's. And. And me and you have this in common. I know I didn't tell you, like, my. My shot story, because it is today's about you. My guest. We both had 1/60 guys put it all on the line to come get the boys when they're hurt. I wouldn't be here today, and I don't think you would either.

[Brent Huberty]

God damn, man.

[James Hatch]

And so when you understand what it's like for the boys to put it on the line for the boys, like when I watch that scene, that's really what I think about. Not really. Like, you know, kind of how cheesy or, you know, or this a Hollywood. What they're conveying is when the guys are hurt and need it most, their teammates will come.

[Brent Huberty]

Yeah.

[James Hatch]

Hell or high water, they. They'll break all the rules. They'll move faster than they ever thought they could move fast. They'll move further than they thought they could move with two things they would never do.

[Brent Huberty]

Yeah.

[James Hatch]

Drink IV bags to make it happen. That's what. That's what men will do for. For their countrymen.

[Brent Huberty]

Yeah, man. And it's a beautiful thing.

[James Hatch]

It is a beautiful thing. God, it's a beautiful thing. All right, let's get back to it.

[Drew Tucker]

Sonny Mabry says, sup, fam? Just checking in. Hope all is well and true. If not, it will be. Love, y' all guys. Love y' all guys. Drew a little more than Brent Magnet. Slightly less than Max.

[Brent Huberty]

All right, thank you, Sonny.

[Drew Tucker]

Right wing nut says. No, I meant the woman that was shot on January 6. I could give crap less about the woman that tried run over the cop.

[James Hatch]

Oh, God. Much. Okay, okay. Well, we covered both. We covered our bases. We covered it. All right.

[Brent Huberty]

I. I give a. About humans.

[James Hatch]

They're still. And you know, I'm glad you said. And I'm going to give that guy as well. He said that. I. It's just easy to. To say things.

[Brent Huberty]

Yeah. Of course. It's flippant. And it's also the culture right now.

[James Hatch]

Right.

[Brent Huberty]

Yeah.

[James Hatch]

At the end of the day, that was an American.

[Brent Huberty]

Yeah. She's got a mom, too. And you know, like, that's right. But the whole thing. Like, the whole thing's everybody involved. Right? Yeah.

[Drew Tucker]

Let's see. Buff, like Jesus says Jimmy or Brent. Opinion on Kyle Gawk, guy running for Congress in Connecticut. His story seems a little stolen, valorous, or a little over embellishing.

[James Hatch]

I'll track him. That guy.

[Brent Huberty]

I don't know who that is, but.

[James Hatch]

All right. I mean, I'll look into it. I'll look into it. Kyle Gok.

[Brent Huberty]

Okay.

[Drew Tucker]

Solely says was Matt Cole war crime book on Seal Team 6. Good. Chris Fetta said Seal Team 6 guys who whistleblow were disgruntled and Cole had agenda. Brent thought it was good.

[Brent Huberty]

I haven't read the book. I do know Matt Cole, and I have spoken to him, and I think he is a serious journalist.

[Drew Tucker]

But

[Brent Huberty]

when I spoke to him, the things that I was talking to him about were things that he'd already talked about that I had direct knowledge of and differed. So I think Matt is a guy who has a good job doing what he likes to do, which is he believes find things that are people that are fucked up and bullshit. And so that's the lens through which he sees things. And I believe Matt probably knows a lot more about the community than most people in the community, based on my talks with him. And I think.

[James Hatch]

Right. Yeah.

[Brent Huberty]

And I don't believe he is a. I don't believe he's out to get anybody. I do believe he wants to be a successful investigative journalist. And this is his vein for sure.

[James Hatch]

Yeah.

[Brent Huberty]

So it's in, it's. It's on his. Like he, in order to pay his rent, he's got to find to talk about. Right. So, I mean, that's his job. I don't think whether he's disgruntled or not, I don't know. But I do know that he's a serious journalist.

[James Hatch]

Yeah. I don't think he's disgruntled. I think this is all opinion based. I don't think he's disgruntled. I don't think he has an ax to grind. There's nothing that would like, point that way to say like these. He's anti this, anti that.

[Brent Huberty]

Some of the people that are talking to him are.

[James Hatch]

They are disgruntled for sure. And that will skew and that will speak.

[Brent Huberty]

But he's a smart guy.

[James Hatch]

I. I did say it was good. And I've had to say this before. Holistically, that does. That's not like. That's not me saying, hey, 100 of everything he says is, yeah, yeah, yeah. But there's something. Although it's like, holistically it was good. And some things can be accurate yet misleading at the same time. I've always said this, you know, the wedding party bombing, that was horrible. But now we're judging people off of what we know in the aftermath.

[Brent Huberty]

Right. With the full benefit of hindsight.

[James Hatch]

And you know that I have a problem with this. Will. This will sound weird. I don't want to get anyone in trouble, but I don't think desecrating bodies on the battlefield is a good thing. And what's legally and moral should should be on upheld. However living the life. I'm just telling you I understand it.

[Brent Huberty]

Exactly. No, I'm with you 100.

[James Hatch]

When you bury your brother because a savages did savage things, it. It does something to you. And war is war.

[Brent Huberty]

Yeah.

[James Hatch]

And so I'm just saying I understand it. So that's kind of all I'll say on that.

[Drew Tucker]

The Prussian says the female vet killed on January 6th was named Ashley Babbitt. Say her name Ashley Babbitt.

[James Hatch]

Because you asked me to the diving

[Drew Tucker]

B23 says got here late but the answer regarding last week about Glover.

[James Hatch]

Okay.

[Drew Tucker]

On cleared hot episode 125 at the

[James Hatch]

215 mark bringing receipts.

[Drew Tucker]

Yeah, yeah.

[Brent Huberty]

I love it.

[Drew Tucker]

He mentions he screened past and made it as an operator, then got in trouble. Was sent to support but after probation choose to not be a 6IC.

[James Hatch]

I will look into that. Dagnabit. You got. You guys leave me with homework. I shouldn't complain. I love it. All right. Episode 125. 2. Yeah. I can't drew episode 125 to 215 mark. Okay, let me explain. I'm gonna tell you what I think is happening and I will look at it and please remind me next week and we'll. We'll talk about it. What I think is what he means. He screened and passed. Yes, he went to selection and passed. And then he went to OC to be an operator and then he got in trouble. I don't remember him being in trouble. But I don't remember. I don't remember. OTC was long ago and he wasn't in OTC for that long. So I don't know if he got in trouble or just didn't make the standard. I don't know. And then went to support. But after probation, which means once you fail OTC, sometimes they will give you another chance. 12, 20, 18, 24 months later and he chose not to go back to otc. That's how I read that. I know it could be read like another way to seem like he was insinuating more. I don't know. I'll have to go back and watch it to make sure. But I'm going to give the benefit of the doubt and read it that way.

[Drew Tucker]

All right, just another 11B says stepping outside of being a smart arse, some people say veterans with PTSD should not own firearms. What say you, Tier one guys opinion on this?

[Brent Huberty]

Go ahead.

[James Hatch]

I don't think I'm about to piss people off. I don't think you should own a firearm if you have ptsd, if you have a mental illness.

[Brent Huberty]

Yeah.

[James Hatch]

And if there are times that you don't know where you are or you think the enemy's there, or you go into some psychotic episode, you can't have a firearm. Tell me anywhere else where people are okay with people with mental issues having a firearm. You can. You can be upset at me all you want for saying that. Don't be upset at me about it. Bring an argument to me about it and we'll. And we'll talk about it. People get emotional. And like, you're telling me, I serve this country, I put my life on the line, and I can't have a second amendment, you know? Right.

[Brent Huberty]

Yeah.

[James Hatch]

Yeah. That's what I'm telling you. Because I am consistent with. With my argument now and not to get you. I'll give you a chance. No, my other problem is that if you don't. So, but if you don't really have any episodes and like. And you were like, you are completely good all the time and you can have a. And you should have a firearm, then you don't have PTSD and you're just collecting benefits that. That you wanted to be there for a lifelong paycheck. So you kind of caught in a catch 22 in that.

[Brent Huberty]

Yeah. Yeah.

[James Hatch]

I think you're a smart man. What say you, Jimmy?

[Brent Huberty]

I don't know. I think you should not. I think if. Regardless of whether or not you call. Here's the thing. What is PTSD really? And who determines it? And I've spent a lot of time. I've been diagnosed with it, and I have. You know, I've been to see a lot of doctors, and one of the things that I remember about it specifically that made it interesting was that a very prominent doctor said to me, look, the thing about PTSD that makes it difficult is that it's not unlike cancer insofar as it is very individual. Right. That's why cancer is so hard to cure, because it's individual.

[James Hatch]

Okay.

[Brent Huberty]

So, however, there have been times when I'm like, you know what? I shouldn't be around a gun. You know. Yeah. But should I be the one who determines whether or not I should be around a gun? And that does Open some doors if it does. But look, here's what I say. And we talked about Gabby Giffords a little bit ago, right? That kid that did the. That shot her had done things clearly that showed he had a significant mental illness, did not know where he was. Those types of things. Whether you've been a. Whether you're a veteran, a firefighter, a cop, what probably shouldn't be around. I'm. Guess I'm. It's a long way to say I agree with you.

[James Hatch]

I will let me caveat it real quick. If I haven't made people mad enough because you said it's like cancer, well, guess what? There's different stages to cancer. So as of right now, do I believe. Here's. Here's where I would. Where I would give. If you want to break down PTSD into different levels, and I'm sure there's people smart enough to be like, hey, you're. You're level one, you're level two, level three or four, and the. The most severe level cannot have it. I could. I'd go down that road. But since we don't have those levels, that's. That's where. That's. That's where I initially started at.

[Brent Huberty]

I wonder, too, right? Like, is that something that, you know, you don't know what goes on in people's homes, right? You don't know. Is that an obligation for the family? Is it. You know, and we say that and then somebody goes sideways and smokes their family or. And then how do you feel about that? Like, oh, I could have gotten involved and. And it shouldn't be up to individuals. Shouldn't. Should it, you know?

[James Hatch]

Well, most questions. Most of them are smoking themselves.

[Brent Huberty]

Exactly.

[James Hatch]

And if we'd have. And if. And if we decide, you know, me anyway.

[Brent Huberty]

That's.

[Magnet]

That's a question on the federal background check, by the way.

[James Hatch]

Is it?

[Drew Tucker]

Yes, ma'.

[Brent Huberty]

Am.

[Drew Tucker]

Solely says, if loved one is near death, what should you say?

[James Hatch]

Do you know your savior, the Lord Jesus Christ? That's number one. Start out with that.

[Drew Tucker]

If they say yes, we'll say see soon, buff like Jesus. Zanelli is ketchup and Kraft mozzarella cheese, but Libby's across the street is fire.

[James Hatch]

This guy is from that area.

[Magnet]

Yeah.

[James Hatch]

Yeah.

[Brent Huberty]

He probably knows. Yeah, I mentioned that. I did grow up in a trailer park in Utah. So ketchup and mozzarella is gourmet, right?

[Drew Tucker]

Oh, man. Okay, this is. Let's talk about trailer park. So my brother and I, we grew up in a double wide and nice. Our pizza that's deluxe, dude. Our pizza. We. It was sliced bread. Do you remember us doing this? Sliced bread with ragu sauce, pep cheese, and then some pepperoni on top of that, and then you put it in the. In the toe. You had to toast the bread first to make it kind of crispy. Right.

[Brent Huberty]

So it could hold the sauce and.

[Drew Tucker]

Yeah, that was. That was our. That was our homemade, out of the refrigerator pizza.

[James Hatch]

Yeah, that's right. I do remember that.

[Brent Huberty]

Yep.

[Drew Tucker]

That was exciting as a kid. Like, we're making our own pizza. It's amazing.

[Magnet]

Anyway, Jimmy, you track Dave Portnoy?

[Brent Huberty]

I don't.

[Magnet]

Oh, he's a pizza guy.

[Brent Huberty]

Yeah.

[Magnet]

Reviews on pizza places.

[Brent Huberty]

Okay.

[Magnet]

New.

[Brent Huberty]

New Haven's pretty good place to eat some pizza. When you guys come up. We'll. We'll see. Yeah.

[Drew Tucker]

Chase Lee says, could y' all give a shout out to the 19 warriors that gave their lives October 11th in Afghanistan, if you can. Nick has the names. Thanks, fellas.

[James Hatch]

Okay. Oh, Nick. Nick. Or the. So the social media guy.

[Brent Huberty]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[James Hatch]

You've been texting with. Yes, absolutely. We. We will get on that.

[Drew Tucker]

Soli says Ranger Nick Irving said SEAL Team 6 Squadron Treated Rangers like shite. Why did they do this? And should they have been kicked out?

[James Hatch]

Are you aware of this? Of. Of. Of this talk? And I. I can. I will. I will probably. I will go to a limb. Give me a second here and say it's probably true, but this is. This is what I hate. And he does say what squadron it is.

[Brent Huberty]

Okay.

[James Hatch]

I'm sure we have a squadron that hasn't been as nice to people as. As other squadrons. And I would say one squad. You know, some squadrons might be too friendly. I think there is a professional boundary to be. To be had, but it's. It's. And. And he said this later, that it was only that squadron and other squadrons were really nice to him. And it wasn't your squadron.

[Brent Huberty]

Well, I wouldn't surprise me. I know that we had times, in fact, the night that I got injured, we had some of the Rangers made some accusations that guys had killed kids.

[James Hatch]

Really.

[Brent Huberty]

So there was always some tension with. In particular, it wasn't about which groups like this battalion or this squadron. It was about individuals that had issues and that. And if they ended up in leadership positions, it caused problems. And it was really unfortunate because together, man, if we were all leaning in hard, we were unstoppable.

[James Hatch]

Right. You know, I'll say this, and it's the. I don't know what happened. So you can always tell a Story, but not tell the whole story or it's your version of the story, what you remember even.

[Brent Huberty]

You know.

[James Hatch]

So here. Here's one that even though I didn't run it this way, I understand why. Well, sometimes we ran it this way depends on where we were. There were gyms we had at some times that were operator only gyms.

[Brent Huberty]

Yeah.

[James Hatch]

Like this is our gym. It's not that big and we can't have everybody in here. This is our gym. You have.

[Brent Huberty]

Right.

[James Hatch]

Sure, your gym isn't as good, but do push ups, go lift ammo cans, do a. That I've done before. And if you want these things, then do what's necessary to come get these things. Right. So I don't know if it's some of that. That was going on, but. But I don't know. Maybe I've had that before. But even though that's not the type of person that I am, I've been in the situations and I agreed with those things. When you understand it the big. Holistically, I do want to say these. These names just real quick about Operation Red Wings, if you guys don't mind. Matthew G. Axelson, Danny Dietz, Jacques Fonton, Seamus Gore, and if I say mispronounce any of them, please, please correct me. It's not rude at all. It's. In fact, it's. It should be done. Corey, Good nature. Daniel Healy, Kip Jacoby, Eric Christensen, Jeffrey Lucas, Michael McGreevy, Marcus Morales, Michael Murphy, Shane Patton, James Ponder, Stephen Reich, Michael Russell, Chris Schurgenbach, James sue and Jeffrey Taylor. Never forgotten. As long as your names are being told, you were not forgotten.

[Drew Tucker]

North, South, east, west. Says just a regular here. You're right, Brett.

[James Hatch]

You are.

[Drew Tucker]

They say don't meet your heroes. I won't put you through

[Brent Huberty]

6.99.

[James Hatch]

I've. Hey, I've. I've said it before and I have proved it time and time again. And some people do put us up on a pedal stool as being Tier one guys. And there's certain things, Alex. Yeah. We should be put up on pedestals on certain things.

[Brent Huberty]

Yeah.

[James Hatch]

But here's the truth about it. I will impress you with how smart I am. I'll tell you that right off the bat. Sure, there are certain things. There's a reason I was Tier one.

[Brent Huberty]

Right.

[James Hatch]

I will also impress you with how

[Brent Huberty]

dumb I am, how I can blow it right out my ass, and how

[James Hatch]

that same man that could make it here could make that like that's the same man.

[Brent Huberty]

Yeah.

[James Hatch]

Yeah. That's the duality of it. I'm. I am both a very impressive person and an absolute wrapped into the same

[Brent Huberty]

body and can explode into either format any moment. Yeah, yeah.

[James Hatch]

So true though it is. Yeah.

[Drew Tucker]

Joe Saunders. Yippee ki, yay. Says. Okay, sorry, I got to ask, because the tactical hot dog shirt is inside. Inspired, would it be possible to also have a tactical Chicago hot dog shirt?

[James Hatch]

It's never enough.

[Drew Tucker]

Then max it out with tactical chili hot dog shirts.

[Magnet]

Okay, Joe Saunders, let's see how these two shirts.

[James Hatch]

All right. We'll see how these go.

[Drew Tucker]

Excuse me. T. Chambers says in James Yale coursework on conflict, what do you see as the true long term cost of increasingly using soft and low intensity conflict? Does relying on that capability erode the nation's ability to build stronger foreign policy?

[James Hatch]

Solid question.

[Brent Huberty]

Yeah, I think. You know, my course on on conflict is called the impact of war on its willing and unwilling participants. And while I was willing, you know, I bring in a lot of the unwilling too. I think if the American public understood truly the volume of work that was done by the minority, it would be shocking.

[James Hatch]

It would be.

[Brent Huberty]

I also think that it put, you know, whatever you think of guys, you know, there's plenty of people here. Obviously people come here because they're interested and, and they have respect for the work, but there are a lot more people that don't. Right. And one of the things that I felt like I learned in the military was that the civilian world doesn't know how to talk to the military, and the military doesn't know how to talk to the civilian world. And because of that, people die. And so in my class, I try to bring people in that are very progressive and very conservative. Men, women, different parts of the world. And I think based on the classes that I've had so far, I would say this. If we want to actually be serious about trying to avoid war and to use it only when it's absolutely necessary, we need to invest significantly in the foreign service in ways that can be meaningful when it comes time to deal with things like we're dealing with in iran.

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[James Hatch]

Okay,

[Drew Tucker]

right wing nut wants to know, Brent, did you get a nine banger in the toilet?

[James Hatch]

Those are bad pranks. I did.

[Brent Huberty]

I have. I can't imagine somebody would do that.

[James Hatch]

Yeah, talking about like an afghan like toilet where it's. It's not like those flimsy walls with like, with you know, space underneath. Like it's like it's enclosed.

[Brent Huberty]

Yeah, it's quiet in there.

[Drew Tucker]

Oh, it wasn't after that human performance trt.

[James Hatch]

I know those guys.

[Drew Tucker]

Hey fellas.

[James Hatch]

What's up, Phil? Hey.

[Drew Tucker]

Fellasi says, who wouldn't want to be regular on a multi million dollar podcast? Brent plays the long game on the pranks magnet. Your hot dog roller was never thrown out. It is your wedding present. Solely 1, 2, 3, 4 says Matt Cole said Seal Team 6 guys said Seal Team 6 guys who go public though great operators, Rob O', Neill, Matt Biz, etc aren't the best of their community. Agree.

[James Hatch]

We covered that already.

[Brent Huberty]

Yeah, I think. I actually believe I understand where Matt's coming from and then the guys who would tell him that. But I don't think you can conflate someone's ability to operate with whether or not they went public. Because I've been, I can speak mostly. I worked very closely with Matt and I, I'd Put that guy up against anybody in shooting competition.

[James Hatch]

Yeah.

[Brent Huberty]

Long or short?

[James Hatch]

No, I'm telling you, it's very consistent with Matt. Every. You know, I've had a lot of phone calls and some who will be public and some who. We're like, hey, I'll just talk to you, but keep it off. You know, keep what we say offline.

[Brent Huberty]

Yeah.

[James Hatch]

And it wasn't about Matt's shooting abilities, but they will also. They will always give Matt Bisson a lot of. A lot of credit for what a solid operator he was. And I love. I love to hear that. I love to hear that.

[Drew Tucker]

North, south, east, west says Touching the Dragon. How many copies sold I just made plus one. So best, as always, the Brent, Drew and Magnet.

[James Hatch]

Ah, thank you.

[Brent Huberty]

Thank you.

[James Hatch]

One more. That's the answer.

[Brent Huberty]

That's it.

[Drew Tucker]

Justin. 11B says no tactical sh. Cogo hot dog shirt. Nothing good happens in illinois, north of I 80. Hail F. No to Shago.

[James Hatch]

All right, all right, all right.

[Drew Tucker]

We got a lot. We have diversity of opinion in our fan group. They keep it colorful. They keep it colorful. Aldo says the acting was pure arse. Still very entertaining.

[James Hatch]

There you go. I wouldn't go as far as say it was pure arse. It was. Sure. It wasn't. It wasn't. Ben Affleck. You have to. You have to rate it on the curve. That. That it is. Was it good acting for active Navy SEALs?

[Brent Huberty]

Yes. That's not their day job.

[James Hatch]

I will say yes. You know, was it again, was it a Hollywood actor? No, but they didn't say they were Hollywood actors. That's right. That's why I give them. I give him a pass. But it was entertaining. We agree on that.

[Drew Tucker]

Eclectic Carbon says, what are some things completely unrelated to the military or your business that you guys nerd out about? That's a good question.

[James Hatch]

That's a good question.

[Brent Huberty]

Hand me that book.

[James Hatch]

Yeah.

[Brent Huberty]

This is it, man. I brought this to give to Brent and his crew. And when I got to Yale, man, I was, you know, 52 years old, I tried to read these kind of things, and I just didn't have the capacity. And I met these professors that have been working on this stuff for the majority of their adult life, and they see the beauty of it and the ways in which it can be helpful to you as an individual and your community. This is what I geek out about, is this literature, you know, so, for example, like, we were talking earlier, and I and I outlined some things in here. This is the. The Odyssey is gonna be a big movie. This Summer, the Odyssey's coming out. And like, I put this particular thing in the book that I gave to him. This is a patch made, you know, It's Spike's patch. December 23, 2006, when he was killed. I put it in here. I put it in book 17 of the Odyssey. And it's at this place where Odysseus is coming home after, you know, being at war and then trying to get back through all the trials, tribulations, and stupid shit he does. And he gets back and he. I'm going to read this. As they spoke, Argos. So Odysseus gets back to Ithaca, which is where he is from, but he. No one can recognize him. Argos, the dog that lay there, raised his head in his ears. Odysseus had trained this dog, but with no benefit. He left too soon. So this was Odysseus's dog he took off to do. He fought in Troy and then he took him a while to get back home. He left too soon to march on holy Troy. The master, Gone Boys took the puppy out to hunt wild goats and deer and hares. But now he lays neglected without an owner, a pile of dung from mules and cows. The slaves stored heaps of it outside the door until they fertilized the large estate. So Argos lay there. Argos, the dog lay there, dirty, covered with fleas. And when he realized that Odysseus was near, he wagged his tail and both of his ears dropped back. He was too weak to move towards his master at a distance. Odysseus had noticed, and he wiped his tears away. So this guy's gone 20 years, nobody knows he's back. And his dog knows the deal.

[Drew Tucker]

His dog knows who he is and

[Brent Huberty]

that this was written 2500 years ago and none of that shit's changed. And I could. I could keep going. That's what I geek out about. Because you'll find yourself in these books and. And you will have a different appreciation for these things that we're facing. Sorry, man. I'm religious. No, truth.

[James Hatch]

That's because truth doesn't have an expiration date.

[Brent Huberty]

It.

[James Hatch]

It doesn't. So I'mma. I'mma send you one back. I geek out on car stuff and history.

[Brent Huberty]

Dude, I need to get in that garage and get.

[James Hatch]

Here's. It was from Gates of Fire, and I told you about this one earlier and it just. It just. It hit home to me about. Because everyone says war's horrible. I'm. I'm. It. It can be. Yeah, but I never Anyway, this. This sums up war to me. It's when Dynakis or Dioniki goes to. To the alpha male Spartan and. And says, war was horrible. And Polonikes says, let me tell you about war, son. And he says this. War, not peace, produces virtue. War, not peace, purges vice. War, in preparation for war, call forth all that is noble and honorable in a man. It unites him with his brothers and binds them in selfless love, eradicating in the crucible of necessity all which is base and ignoble. There in the holy mill of murder, the meanest of men may seek and find that part of himself concealed beneath the corrupt, which shines forth, brilliant and virtuous, worthy of honor before God. Do not despise war, my young friend, nor delude yourself that mercy and compassion are virtues superior to manly valor.

[Brent Huberty]

That's a lot. There's a lot to unpack there.

[James Hatch]

It's a lot to unpack. It is. It's a lot to unpack. But in a. Yeah. In a warrior society. It's some of the truest words I've ever heard.

[Brent Huberty]

Yeah.

[Drew Tucker]

North, southeast, west. Says for Flucky 7, James Sig or Glock?

[Brent Huberty]

Glock.

[James Hatch]

Thank you. Glock. Oh, that was.

[Drew Tucker]

Didn't know.

[James Hatch]

You know, we could. We could. We can disagree on trump. That one. That one. Our friendship was in the balance.

[Brent Huberty]

We're on the line. All right. All right.

[James Hatch]

Which is surprising. Surprising because you. You. I love Glocks. What? I shot a million rounds through, but you guys are traditionally more aligned with Sig, so I didn't.

[Brent Huberty]

Yeah, I didn't like them. They'd rust. They were shitty. I didn't like them.

[James Hatch]

All right. You're a good man.

[Brent Huberty]

I'm a Glock guy. You can throw it in the. You know why? I'll tell you why. I went down to your compound one time, and there was a guy who used to work there, and he was now a rep. And he took, I don't know, like, probably eight or nine Glocks. And he ran a cable through him and he hooked him to the back bumper of his truck. And we drove out to the range on a gravel road. And when we got out there, he said, hey, man, those things will shoot. Pick any one of them up. And they damn did. And I'm like, I need that.

[James Hatch]

What more do you want on a no fail mission?

[Brent Huberty]

Exactly.

[James Hatch]

All right.

[Drew Tucker]

That'd be an awesome commercial for Glock.

[James Hatch]

No kidding.

[Brent Huberty]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Drew Tucker]

Gus says, love you guys. Christ is king.

[James Hatch]

Oh, thank you, Gus.

[Drew Tucker]

North, south, east, west. Back end says okay, I'll say it. Since James has brought it up 12 times. Brent, what's in the garage? Did you complete your Corvette dreams without telling us?

[Brent Huberty]

I don't know anything.

[James Hatch]

I, for some reason, I actually never told him. I said on the Andy stump. All right. I actually said on the Andy stuff podcast. He goes, what's, what's one thing? Like, what's your dream? Like, what would you do? And I was like, this is the, this is the most shallow, worst thing in the world, you know, to say publicly, but you get put on the spot. This is true. I was like, you know, I've started businesses, I've worked really hard. I've done a lot of things that I've wanted to do. I drive a, I still have it. A 200,000 mile Dodge Ram. I was like, I just love Corvettes and I would love to have a Corvette one day. That's, that's, that's my shallow. And that's, that's my first thing.

[Brent Huberty]

America, right?

[James Hatch]

I, I bought a 2025 Corvette Z06. Black on black. Exactly. Exactly what I wanted. I never said it. I didn't want to tell the, the Patreon. I never really wanted to post it on Instagram. Me and my, you know, me and my vet Z06. Because it just seems like, you know, I didn't want to flaunt it or be like, hey, like, look what, look what?

[Brent Huberty]

I have bought that Patreon. Coming.

[James Hatch]

But, but yes, I've. I finally, I finally bought my dream car.

[Brent Huberty]

Dude, it is bad motor scooter.

[James Hatch]

I don't, I don't. And I don't. I'm not that guy. I'm not flashy. I don't, I don't buy. I don't buy a lot of things. I just don't enough. And I finally. And I finally bought that.

[Brent Huberty]

Good for you, man. That's why we work.

[Drew Tucker]

He waited too late. He should have done it a long time ago.

[James Hatch]

I. I should have.

[Drew Tucker]

Should have done a long time ago. All right, hard. But he's cheap. Like that.

[Brent Huberty]

Hard.

[Drew Tucker]

Stuck says, could either of you have avoided winning the enemy markmanship award? Like, if you did things differently.

[Brent Huberty]

Yeah, go yourself. I'm kidding. It's funny, man. I actually struggled. That's where I got shot. I remember being in the hospital and there were some people that were kind of famous that were going to come bring me those awards and they were concerned because, you know, I grew up reading books where guys called a Purple Heart the marksmanship medal, you know, for the enemy. And I top that off with holy. I feel like I failed my crew because I got hurt. And it changed the dynamics of the mission, and people had to expose themselves to fire to help me and the helicopter crews, like, so it was a pretty serious thing. Like, I can joke about it now, you know, and.

[James Hatch]

Yep.

[Brent Huberty]

But, man, my wife, though, God bless her, she's like, well, if you'd have been a little bit faster, maybe you wouldn't limp.

[James Hatch]

It's a good woman. Yeah, Yeah, I struggle. I did. I struggled with that for a while. It's taken a long time for me to. To come out and say, well, of course, yes. Could I have done something better or, you know, different. Better to not get shot? Absolutely. You can say that about every winner or loser of every game, every. Everything in. In life.

[Brent Huberty]

Yep.

[James Hatch]

Did I. Did I make the best decisions with the information I had available to me and am I okay with that? I had. And I never really gave myself that grace. I never always. I always said, you should have done. You should have, you should have, you should have. I didn't. I didn't know enough to. To do that. I made the best decision with the information I had at the time, and I. And I sent it. And it took me a long time to say I'm. I'm okay with it. And it's one of the reasons I was such in a hurry to get back to combat.

[Brent Huberty]

Sure. Yeah.

[James Hatch]

Because I wanted to prove to. And that's what's funny. No one else was asking me to prove myself. All these things we just stack up on ourselves. I couldn't wait to get back to combat to prove I. I could be trusted. I don't make mistakes in combat. I can make up for this. I came back wiser. Yeah, it was so. It was a good thing. But, yeah, it weighed on me for.

[Brent Huberty]

For a long time when I got locked up after I had my little incident with the cops and they. They helped me. I was suicidal, and I, you know, ended up being in the hospital, locked up, where I couldn't hurt myself. And the psychiatrist that I was working with, psychologist that I was working with, I call him the dragon tamer in my book. He came and he had a legal pad, and he's like, hey, man, write down like, the top three or four things in your life that you just like that are horrible for you. The first thing I wrote was that I failed the mission, got the dog killed, put my buddies at risk. Yeah. You know, up the mission. Because in my mind, we probably would have rescued that if I Hadn't got. You know what I mean, like all the catastrophizing that you do.

[James Hatch]

I don't want to interrupt too much, but I. I meant to ask you this on the recorded. I don't want to miss this opportunity again. You're talking about the. The Berg. Bo Berg doll. You thought he was in the area. In hindsight, did you ever guys ever find out if he was in the area or how close you were to him or. Or any more information on that?

[Brent Huberty]

Yeah, I think there were details that pointed out that they certainly were in contact with him, but there was nothing definitive that he was in the area. And I've actually talked to one of the legal people on his side, and he said that their best information is that he wasn't there. I have, through an intermediary, asked if he ever hurt the helicopters.

[James Hatch]

Okay.

[Brent Huberty]

And he never heard anything like that.

[James Hatch]

All right. Probably makes you feel a little better, right? I mean, of sorts. I hate to say that maybe.

[Brent Huberty]

I don't know.

[James Hatch]

I know I can tell you why it would. I tell you why it wouldn't, but. Okay. All right.

[Brent Huberty]

No, no, it's good. But the doctor actually did something that I think you did it yourself. You were capable, it seems like it, that you had the capacity to work yourself through it. But I didn't. I couldn't forgive myself at all. And so what I did is I wrote. He said to me, now, listen, number one was, you failed the mission, got the dog, killed Europe, you know, all the things that I was thinking. He's like, here's what I want you to do. I want you to write down about that night and everything that happened. And I'm like, oh, okay, you. If I could have killed that dude and got away with it, I'd have beat him to death right there in the. Seriously, Right? He's like, here's the. You know, write it down. And that's the last thing I wanted to do, right? So then I. I start writing it down. And I did, like, a paragraph, went on a mission, got shot. Now I'm now a piece of shit, whatever. And he's like, I know. No, he's like, I'm gonna need you to write. I want you to start 30 minutes before the planning, and I want to know who you saw, what you smelled, the noises you heard. And I want you to end when you woke up in the hospital in Germany. And I'm like, you. And then he left, so. And I'm locked up in my pajamas in the psych ward, right? And so I start going, we're getting to the same spot here, man. Okay, I go through it.

[James Hatch]

I go through it.

[Brent Huberty]

I go through. And it was like three or four pages, actually, when I finally really sat down and dug into it. And at the end, he sat across from me and he said, hey, man, look. What did you do wrong? I'm like, what do you mean? He goes, well, I've read this. You wrote it. And he goes, what did you do wrong here? Because it seems to me, based on what I can read, given what you knew at that time, this was something you had done in the past and had been effective with.

[James Hatch]

Right.

[Brent Huberty]

So you had experience. The conditions were a little bit different, but you didn't have any control over that. What did you do wrong? And I had to say, wow, I guess I didn't do anything wrong. It just didn't work out. And it took me that much punishment and that I put myself and my wife and my kids and people through it. It took me that being locked up by myself with a fucking notepad to go through it and say, okay, look, I'm a human being. And. And this time, when I decided to dance with consequences, I got banged up, you know?

[James Hatch]

Yeah. I. I didn't take it well. Yeah, I. I eventually did, and I. I hit a lot of things.

[Brent Huberty]

And you were out with other. With other. You were with a partner force, right?

[James Hatch]

We. I was.

[Brent Huberty]

And then you had what, three other guys?

[James Hatch]

Three or four. Partner force, and then troop commander, combo guy, dog guy. Three. Three other guys. I don't think I've ever talked about, you know, some of this stuff, but it's. I. You know, I couldn't use my right arm to. To bathe myself, you know, so, you know, I'm having. And I wouldn't accept help because I'm like, I'm not dead.

[Brent Huberty]

Yeah.

[James Hatch]

But then while I'm in the shower and I can't reach all my body parts because of the consequences of my. My perceived actions, I just sit there and cry in the shower.

[Brent Huberty]

Yeah. Yeah.

[James Hatch]

I. I try to put my shoes on, but. You can't put shoes on with. With. You can't tie your shoes with. With. With one hand.

[Brent Huberty]

Right.

[James Hatch]

And I would. And these. It's just so funny in a weird

[Brent Huberty]

way, and it's interesting.

[James Hatch]

And I'd cry. I'd sit there and have to, like, hold back my tears and, you know, or they dribble out like a. You know, and then try to hide them and walk out the closet to my family, like. Like, everything's okay.

[Brent Huberty]

Yeah.

[James Hatch]

Well, I just cried in the closet because I couldn't put my shoes on. I don't know why the. The little things broke me and the bigger things didn't. And I. I even not. I don't. I haven't thought about it.

[Brent Huberty]

Yeah.

[James Hatch]

In a long time. And I guess I probably should note.

[Drew Tucker]

No.

[Brent Huberty]

No. Because you'll beat my head into the.

[James Hatch]

Yeah. No. I'll tell you this. I don't. And I get it. Here's the other thing. There's not. I hate that. That psychologists do this because I think the mind is obviously different because it's different how you deal things, how you can deal with things. And I'm. I just. I only tell people the way I deal with things.

[Brent Huberty]

Yeah.

[James Hatch]

I don't know if it's good for you. I know. You should try it. I know. If what you're doing isn't working. Let's try this.

[Brent Huberty]

Exactly.

[James Hatch]

But here's this crazy thing I do. I put it in a little box and I put it in the back of my mind, and I don't think about it.

[Brent Huberty]

Yeah. Actually, what. What that is. That's your backpack. We all have them. And when you get knocked down and all that shit's gonna come out.

[James Hatch]

They've told me that for years.

[Brent Huberty]

When it does, just have some. Just give me a ring.

[James Hatch]

But guess what? You know, so far, there's. I got other. Life has moved on. I have other things to deal with now. Don't get me wrong. About. On the anniversary of those really bad events.

[Brent Huberty]

Yeah.

[James Hatch]

I dig back there. I open it up. I think about it a lot. You know, I do whatever. I don't get drunk. But, you know, I. Yeah, I celebrate. I remember. And before I go to bed that night, I put it back in this little box and I say, see you next year.

[Brent Huberty]

Yeah, I know.

[James Hatch]

And. And that's. And that. And that's what I do. I hated exposure therapy. I. I just. I did, like, the only thing that worked for me. And I'm. And I'm okay with that. But obviously, exposure therapy haven't. Hasn't worked for a lot of people. And I feel like. Sure. We're not. We're not. We're just saying this is like this. This. This is the answer, and this is.

[Brent Huberty]

No. There's a lot of answers.

[James Hatch]

Right. And so here's. Here's all that is a lead up to. This is a question I have for you, and it has to do with. With. With ptsd. This is one of my. My biggest gripes with ptsd. And I'm not that guy that likes to just change an acronym and say it's new now. But someone else explained this to me. I said, you know what? I'll agree with that. I actually like to call it ptsi. Post Traumatic Stress Injury. Because a disorder says you're messed up, you'll be messed up for the.

[Brent Huberty]

That can never change.

[James Hatch]

And that can never change. It's a disorder. And I think it's more of an injury. I think it's like any injury. It's the worst it's going to be when it initially happens. But you should be working on it and healing and it should get better. It's crazy to me to think that after you almost get your leg blown off and you lose your dog, that. How old are you when that happened?

[Brent Huberty]

42.

[James Hatch]

42. That at 43, that, you know, you're dealing with that still. And then by 73, you're still dealing with it at the same amount that should. That should not happen.

[Brent Huberty]

Right.

[James Hatch]

You know what I mean?

[Brent Huberty]

Yeah.

[James Hatch]

So can ptsd. Can't.

[Drew Tucker]

What?

[James Hatch]

But I mean, I just said that. A little bit of leading question. So. So I apologize. I feel like almost forced into that. Can't. Can it be healed? Should it be healed? Is it the words? I'm trying. I think you get the gist of it.

[Brent Huberty]

I think that you can't. And you know, I get this from like Toni Morrison. You're gonna lose chunks. Nobody gets out of this clean, man.

[James Hatch]

And he said it best. Yeah. He says, when it was on your interview, I was watching it, you know, in preparation. Where he goes, when you touch war, war touches your back.

[Brent Huberty]

Yeah. I think. And look, it's to pick someone who isn't in the military that had significant auto accident or like was involved in a crime where someone was a victim of a crime or.

[James Hatch]

Right, right.

[Brent Huberty]

All of those things are going to put difficulties in your path. You don't have to be a combat guy to have it. Although it's effective if you want to make some money when you retire. Right. You know what I'm saying? Right.

[James Hatch]

So I do believe that.

[Brent Huberty]

Yeah.

[James Hatch]

A little sinister with that.

[Brent Huberty]

And when you incentivize sickness. Right. So, yeah, nailed it. I. I personally believe that you do not ever. It's never gonna go away. You can't drink it away. You can't it away. You can't gamble it. You can't. Like, it's not gonna go away. The only thing you can do is figure out how to dance with it and keep going.

[James Hatch]

Yeah, I agree. With you. Because when I call it an injury, just like your leg. Yeah, just like my arm, it will. It will never go back to 100%. I call. I actually call it my new hundred percent. It's not my new 100%. It is what it is. But has it gotten incredibly better? Of course. It's been years. There is and has to be a healing process, and if you're. Whatever it is you're doing, if it's not a healing process, you're doing it wrong. That's not necessarily on you, like trusting other people to give you good advice or you have to look for, you know, for. For other things. But there. There. There has to be healing. It. It can be done, for sure.

[Brent Huberty]

I think what I think where the rub is here, where the crux is, is that there is a truth to the idea that at some point this trauma has affected you in a way that you can't see your way out of it. You can't. I like, you know, depression. I say it this way. It's the most selfish of diseases or whatever you want to call it, because all you think about is yourself, how I this up. I did these things wrong.

[James Hatch]

That's.

[Brent Huberty]

Go ahead.

[James Hatch]

No, I was gonna. You're absolutely right. You're right. It's just one of those things. It's the absolute hardest to accept when

[Brent Huberty]

you're going through it or see it. Right?

[James Hatch]

Yeah.

[Brent Huberty]

Yeah.

[James Hatch]

I mean, you're absolutely right. But everyone in it. In it.

[Brent Huberty]

You know. You know who's a really good example, you should probably have them out. You should probably have them on Jay Redmond, man.

[James Hatch]

I was just thinking to him the other. You know, what I was watching in Waves, in War. I just talked to. To DJ there, by the way. DJ says hi.

[Brent Huberty]

He is a good. Boo.

[James Hatch]

DJ says hi. I told him that you were coming on.

[Brent Huberty]

Awesome. He's a good kid, man.

[James Hatch]

And I watched that. That in Waves and War and has a lot to do with plant medicine. Plant medicine. And. And someone told. I think someone told us. No, I'm. I'm actually wrong with this. No. The reason why I thought about him was I was watching the Andy Stump episode, and you said he came in and said hi to you. Correct. Hopefully crossing wires and you're like, what's wrong with your face, dude?

[Brent Huberty]

So that's the story, right? Like, I didn't know who the he was, and. And I had heard about him in the hospital because he was a legend at the hospital. He's like the dude who got shot in the face and he was cool, and he put this thing on his walls, like, hey, don't come in here and feel sorry for me and the president. President Bush put it in his office and had Jay in his office later. But I didn't know any of that shit. All I know is I get out of the hospital after I've gotten, you know, up in Bethesda, I get back to Virginia and my wife comes in. She's like, hey, man, this guy's coming over with his wife. His name's Jay Redmond, and he was at SEAL team, blah, blah, blah. And I'm like, okay, what for? She goes, I don't know. Really. He just wants to come visit. I'm like, oh, that's cool. So he comes in, I don't know him, and he's got, like, a couple of notebooks. I'm like, hey, man. He's like, hey, I'm Jay. I'm like, hey, man, what's happened to your face?

[James Hatch]

He just AK round to the face.

[Brent Huberty]

I got shot in the face.

[James Hatch]

Yeah.

[Brent Huberty]

And I'm like. And I'll get back to the other stuff, but later on, I'm like, you know, you get asked by the Olympic hockey team to go talk. I'm getting asked by the dog pound. He goes, well, you got shot in the leg. I got shot in the face.

[James Hatch]

That's right. And I. I've talked to him on the phone before, and he was a really nice guy. And it reminded me, like, I need to have that guy on. On. Well, he's actually.

[Brent Huberty]

I will show is he came over on his own and with his wife. Again, proof that God makes some people better than others. They're like, out of the blue, he sat down with his busted ass face and his up arm, and he wrote down lessons learned after he got wounded, things that he didn't know that would help his family, things that he could use to help himself. Like, he created a manual on his own roadmap and he gave it to every guy that got wounded after him.

[James Hatch]

That's awesome. Did you keep it? You still got it?

[Brent Huberty]

I probably do somewhere.

[James Hatch]

But you don't have Charlie Beckwith.

[Brent Huberty]

Dude, I threw away all my pictures. I cut. Like, I was like, I'm a piece of. There's no. I have no. I don't want any history. I don't want any of it. Like, I don't have any pictures of when I was a kid.

[James Hatch]

Like, if you guys wanted to find out what I'm talking about with the Charlie Beckwith letter, watch Monday's episode And we'll. And we'll talk.

[Brent Huberty]

I got a lot of things in my life, but I got a letter from Charlie Beckwith.

[James Hatch]

I think that's the coolest thing. That's the coolest thing. Let's go back to super chats. Just. Just real quick.

[Drew Tucker]

Just. Now, let me. Says intriguing answer on my PTSD question. Sticky subject. I think there are varying degrees as well as how one responds to therapy. If pills are your fix, you're a weak sob. No gun.

[Brent Huberty]

Whiskey's what you need.

[Drew Tucker]

No guns. If you push through like a veteran. Veteran.

[James Hatch]

I. I am. I am very. Again, I speak in generalities, so I hate it when I say something, they're like, well, let me get. Let me tell you this one thing. Yeah, of course. Right.

[Brent Huberty]

Yeah.

[James Hatch]

Generally speaking, I don't like psychological medicines. I. I stay away from. From them. I don't want something else, like, influencing my.

[Brent Huberty]

Like, they really helped me. I felt the same way. They really helped me.

[James Hatch]

And.

[Brent Huberty]

And they did. They helped me get to a place where I could work through things. And, And.

[James Hatch]

But here. Here's my finish to it. If. And generally. And hope, actually, I should say generally and hopefully.

[Brent Huberty]

Right.

[James Hatch]

But if you need them, let's. Let's. Let's. Let's work off of them. Like we. We have. Let's. Let's try to get to. Right to where we're not dependent on pharmaceuticals. Because I know this. The more pills you have in the lot in your life, not the healthier you are.

[Brent Huberty]

No, I think 100 or at least to a minimum.

[James Hatch]

You know, like, I have to have this. Guys. I knew some guys are taking 20 pills a day.

[Brent Huberty]

Oh, yeah.

[James Hatch]

For all sorts of things.

[Brent Huberty]

Yeah. No, yeah.

[James Hatch]

Not good.

[Brent Huberty]

Yeah. But I think too, if you're also like, if you're a healthcare provider and they're like, hey, man, these things work, man. I know this works. You know, But I do think there is something to be said about trying other methods. So plant medicine has been very, very effective.

[James Hatch]

Right.

[Brent Huberty]

Yet Alex on here, like, well, which Alex West. I've had him. Yeah. And he, like, he's cutting edge on that. Right.

[James Hatch]

The nicest guy that, if you didn't know any better, didn't know he had killed people in his past.

[Brent Huberty]

A lot of people.

[Drew Tucker]

A lot of people.

[James Hatch]

I love that about Alex. I'm a big fan, Alex.

[Brent Huberty]

Me too.

[James Hatch]

We. Here's just an update. Like, you know, when he was on the podcast, I was so moved by him and, and how humble he was, how. How nice he was, what he was doing with with veterans. I was like, I, you know, I, I get emotional with, with veterans. And I was like. And he told me about the surfboard projects. I was like, like, we're gonna donate a surfboard.

[Brent Huberty]

That's awesome.

[James Hatch]

How much is it? You know, I was like, all right, put, put us down. And we just sent our logos over, and he just identified a veteran.

[Brent Huberty]

That's awesome.

[James Hatch]

I said, we don't have to. I said, if you could, do you mind doing, like, a tier one podcast surfboard that, you know, we'll donate, but if, but if not, like, I don't care.

[Brent Huberty]

Yeah.

[James Hatch]

He was like, yeah, well. And so this veteran, you know, took it, and so we got a tier one podcast surfboard coming up.

[Brent Huberty]

Dude, that's awesome.

[James Hatch]

And in the nicest way. Here's, here's my, here's my plan. When I get a picture of it, I'm going to tag the next podcast veteran podcast. You know, essentially, I'll probably call beforehand to make sure that, yeah, it's kosher, you know, that I'm not just being a jerk and basically calling out the next veteran podcast and be like, we, we donated a surfboard to a veteran.

[Brent Huberty]

What about you?

[James Hatch]

What about you? And then hopefully they do almost like the ice bucket challenge, and then they do it. And after they get their surfboard, then they, then they tag jocko and be like, jocko, we did a surfboard. Where, where are you at?

[Brent Huberty]

And, yeah, let me back up on something. We're talking about meds, ptsd, how you put things in a box. I actually, I think what you have done by creating this is the therapy that you enjoy. We've talked about some fucking, really tough times just sitting here bullshitting before we're even on the air. And we've also talked about some tough things here on the air and that we have normalized that. That's how you get that out of your backpack. It'll come up again. And guess what you're gonna do? You're gonna talk about it.

[James Hatch]

Yeah, I do think there's something about normalizing it, because when it feels ab. If you're hiding it because it's abnormal

[Brent Huberty]

or you're embarrassed, you're embarrassed. Yeah, that.

[James Hatch]

I, I, I, I agree with you. I don't, I don't, I don't.

[Brent Huberty]

But you're doing it, like, in this conversation.

[James Hatch]

I don't put it back there because I'm ashamed of it. I put it back.

[Brent Huberty]

Just rather not deal with it

[James Hatch]

of sorts. Yeah, I put it back there because it's not beneficial to my life. The Bible says think on these things, and it says a list of things that you know to think about. And as you know, what is good, what is pure, what is joy, what you know, it Drew, just so I get it right, can you tell me what the Bible tells you to think on?

[Drew Tucker]

Yeah, it's Philippians. I believe it's chapter two or four. It says, whatsoever things are good, whatsoever things are a good report, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are worthy.

[Brent Huberty]

Did I already say good report?

[Drew Tucker]

Think on these things and the peace of God will rule in your heart.

[James Hatch]

And I think the mind is a very powerful thing. And it's like. It's like. It's like drinking, right? Good and bad things have similarities by this. There's nothing wrong with some drinks, but if you drink too much long enough, you will be addicted to it. And now it is kind of alcoholism. It wasn't, but now it is. If you. If you think on these things that are negative and if you can get them early enough and stop and say, no, I'm not going to let this take control of my life. I'm not going to think on these things, you can get a hold of it, but once you let that go so far for so long, it will consume you. I do believe that. So my choice is to stop it early and. And. And think on those things. It's just me.

[Brent Huberty]

No. Hey, man, that's.

[James Hatch]

I like.

[Brent Huberty]

That's our navigation.

[James Hatch]

I like that we have this podcast because if someone's tried what you've done, they're like, oh, well, let me try this. Or if they want to try this first and it doesn't work, you have other options. But I am tired of people not maybe not having.

[Brent Huberty]

Throwing your hands in the air.

[Drew Tucker]

Right?

[James Hatch]

Yeah. All right, let's. What else we got, Josh?

[Drew Tucker]

Husky says June 3rd will be the passing of my wife's first husband, Specialist Robert Allen Pierce. Killed in action, Afghanistan.

[James Hatch]

Tough.

[Drew Tucker]

The diving bee says exactly.

[Magnet]

Agree.

[Drew Tucker]

I heard how. How you put it. Wanted to put out where and when. For the record, as a support guy, I know how people take where you work and think. Operator.

[Brent Huberty]

Yeah.

[James Hatch]

Okay.

[Drew Tucker]

Thank you, Chase. Lisa's. Sorry, gents. Phone died and I missed your reply to giving a shout out to the 19 killed in action.

[James Hatch]

Oh, you're good. But we absolutely did.

[Drew Tucker]

We did it.

[James Hatch]

Thank you so much for. For doing that, Sixes.

[Drew Tucker]

Tonight, we as civilians only had hero worship for Seal Team 6. It was awful when names came out because they should have had anonymous anonymity. It's sad because you realize some want fame and money more than history. I want to thank you for protecting the constitution. Aloha from Kauai.

[James Hatch]

Happy to do it. Happy to do it.

[Drew Tucker]

Holy fook says. Sorry folks. Been on a flight to lost wages so missed most of the live. I know James, you don't use hair gel anyway anymore. But when you had hair, what, what was your hair gel routine and recommendation?

[James Hatch]

Yeah, I got a quick question before that. When did you lose your hair?

[Brent Huberty]

Because in your pictures you pretty young. I was in my early 20s. I was starting to go bald and I was like.

[James Hatch]

Early 20s.

[Brent Huberty]

Yeah. Oh, yeah.

[James Hatch]

That's.

[Brent Huberty]

Yeah. I never used hair gel. I couldn't do product. I just didn't have enough hair for it. And, and I didn't know how to use it. So I just. There was no product. Maybe that's. I should have had some product. It would have lasted.

[Drew Tucker]

Brain Medlin says you always ask Sigurd Glock. But what about Beretta?

[James Hatch]

Because there's a reason it doesn't even make the options.

[Brent Huberty]

I got some gun geek buddies that have some pretty badass pistols that are like not names. I don't know. But I'm not a gun guy.

[James Hatch]

Smith and Wesson has one that I like. The, what it called the. Just the MP40 or the MMP is a good one. I, I make fun of Beretta a little bit. They actually have great shotguns and they do. And I'm, I, I will ingest like. They don't make great pistols. Let me tell you. It's not the pistol that makes a shot. It's the man holding it right? It is. Give me what's, what's that one pistol that everyone hates on. It's super cheap. It's super bad. Your buddy with the, the mustache came in for you in his name. He was going to compete with this pistol as a joke.

[Brent Huberty]

Taurus.

[Magnet]

Oh, I know what you're talking about. I know what you're talking about. I can't think of it right now.

[James Hatch]

Oh, I know you're talking about. Yeah. Let me tell you, you. You put even that pistol, you'll think of it here in a second. High. High point.

[Magnet]

High point here.

[Brent Huberty]

Okay.

[James Hatch]

And it sounds a little hottie, but guess what? Put a high point in your hand, you'll win a gunfight.

[Brent Huberty]

Yeah.

[James Hatch]

It's just true.

[Brent Huberty]

Right?

[James Hatch]

Right.

[Brent Huberty]

Yeah.

[Drew Tucker]

North, south, east, west. Here's some vet cash.

[Brent Huberty]

Nice.

[Drew Tucker]

I don't know if that's Chevette or Corvette, but we really appreciate it.

[James Hatch]

Nice.

[Brent Huberty]

Or.

[Drew Tucker]

Or it's Just veteran cash. So there's that eclectic carbon says, black on black Corvette. You may just get invited to Shadow Force if you're lucky. Shadow Force north, south, east, west says, oh, there it is. I mean, vet, as in Corvette cash. There it is.

[James Hatch]

Oh, thank you.

[Drew Tucker]

Just another 11B says, Are you going to wear a members only jacket and gym coach shorts when you drive your Corvette?

[Brent Huberty]

Hey, the windows are tinted. You wouldn't know.

[James Hatch]

That's right.

[Brent Huberty]

Probably in there. Probably in there.

[Drew Tucker]

Not unless T tops speedo.

[James Hatch]

So if. Real quick, if anyone wants to know how I'm doing, I don't normally whip out a computer in the middle of a. Of a live. Guess what? Our live tonight, I'm. I had a misspelling in it. Oh, did.

[Drew Tucker]

There it is.

[James Hatch]

Someone just text. Oh, it's sealed.

[Drew Tucker]

That's why they keep saying sealed team 6. I didn't even know that.

[Brent Huberty]

That's awesome.

[Drew Tucker]

That's funny.

[James Hatch]

And someone just text me, goes, hey, just so you don't get any more backlash, just want to let. They text me a screenshot of. Just want to let you know you had a misspelling tonight.

[Drew Tucker]

Well, earlier in the ear. Earlier in the live, somebody did a chat. They. They did. They said sealed, and then they. They filled in the acronym. They were like, I saw that.

[Brent Huberty]

I'm like, what the is that?

[Drew Tucker]

I think they did tactical for the tea or something like that.

[James Hatch]

Tactical.

[Drew Tucker]

And so I was like, okay, that's interesting. I didn't. I didn't know.

[James Hatch]

So green, gray will never die. And now we have Navy SEALs.

[Drew Tucker]

Yeah, the SEALs. That's why they said, which is better. Like SEAL.

[James Hatch]

Okay. We have got to grow so other people can do this. Oh, man, not me. I am. I do. I. I'm. I'm busier than I should be. And that's where it shows.

[Drew Tucker]

We're just dudes, just like you. All right, right wing, that says James, I may not agree with you on very much at all, but you certainly earned your opinion, sir. 1,000 things. Well, thank you for your service. I mean that. Thank you for coming on.

[Brent Huberty]

Well, thank you, man. I appreciate it. We're all Americans here walking each other home.

[Drew Tucker]

Aldo says if you could go through life with zero trauma, hardship, you would develop into a very undesirable person to be around. You would experience no growth.

[James Hatch]

You're not wrong.

[Brent Huberty]

Interesting.

[Drew Tucker]

This.

[James Hatch]

Another one's gonna get me here for a second.

[Drew Tucker]

Brad Freeman. PTSD was invented by the service dog industrial complex. All right, I told him earlier in the. In the text, I said, you forgot to put Israeli.

[James Hatch]

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[Brent Huberty]

But that's weird.

[James Hatch]

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[James Hatch]

Here we go again. Are you ready for this?

[Brent Huberty]

Yeah, man, I think I'm on it already. I think I know where we're going.

[James Hatch]

I call them look at me dogs.

[Brent Huberty]

Yep. Oh, yes, sir.

[James Hatch]

I call them look at me dogs. And again, it's not because I hate veterans and no one's done what I've done. It's not that. The truth is, is guys like me and you, we've seen too much, we know too much. And yeah, and there are, there are people that just, that either want a dog or they want to look at me dog. Or like there I was at soft week and this guy's dog went down with heat exhaustion because he wouldn't leave his dog at home. I, I just, now, I. Granted I don't know his situation and it may be so dire, but I'm telling you, I have a hard time believing that this many people cannot leave their home without the companion of a dog to keep them from losing their mind. I just, I won't buy that. Yeah, so it goes back, and it goes back to my argument about resources. There are people who could benefit from this. And so if everyone claims one and everyone wants one, the people who could really benefit from it are going to be the ones who shorted.

[Brent Huberty]

No, I think that's a problem. And like, look, it's already happened. Like the airlines are like, hey, no, wait a minute, you know, Right. So.

[James Hatch]

Right.

[Brent Huberty]

And again, legitimately, I did have a service dog for a very long time. And what she did. And she's still alive, but she's old now. She can't go with me everywhere. She'd be sitting here with me. What she did for me personally was get my head out of myself. She's got to eat, she's got a drink, she's got to go to the bathroom. And I know that I, her life is completely dependent upon what I can do to give her that right. Like she's, I'm under. I have to Give her the exposure that she gets to the rest of the world. And so for me, it was good because it got me out of my head, and I stopped feeling sorry for myself, and I had something to do. But then there was a time where I was like, okay, because here's the deal. If you have not yet done this. And I talked to. And I get. Get calls from people all the time about getting a dog. And I'm like, listen, when you have a dog and you go to the airport, you don't have any privacy. Everybody who loves dogs is coming up to talk to you. So. So in a way, for me, that was a good thing, because I was like, I. I couldn't talk to people. I didn't want to be around anybody. I couldn't go in the. In the bathroom and stand at a pisser with my back. Like, I couldn't do it. The dog helped me do that, and I couldn't. I had to talk to people because they were like, hey, what kind of dog is she? And I'm like, you know, so there is. There are good things. But again, just like you mentioned earlier, in fact, I remember talking to a ship about mental health stuff, and this guy came up to one of the senior enlisted guys. He's like, listen, man, these kids, as soon as we say we're going on deployment, they're like, oh, I feel suicidal. Right. So they're using the system to benefit. I think there's some of that with the dogs as well.

[James Hatch]

Well, absolutely. Just another fun fact. You want to know who texted me about the misspelling? My neighbor who's watching the show. Cool.

[Drew Tucker]

That's awesome.

[James Hatch]

In a weird way, again, it's. I don't mean it to sound like unhumble, but let's say. Let's say you were a fan of the show. Like, what. What are the chances of you moving, like, right next door and. And the podcast, you know, you not. That's not what this happened. Like, he just. I think he came. I can't remember how he knew I did a podcast, and he's like, okay, I'll start watching. And now he starts to watch it. But that would be crazy to just move in next door to, like, oh, my next door neighbor is a retired Delt Force operator with a podcast that I enjoy watching, and it's happening right next door to me all the time. I'll just come sit down. I told him. I said. I said, next time, just come on over and tell me it's cool to see these messages.

[Drew Tucker]

Come sit on the guest couch with. With magnets.

[James Hatch]

It. There's a spot right there for sure.

[Magnet]

People are scared to sit next to me.

[James Hatch]

Yeah.

[Drew Tucker]

Aldo says the mind is like a hazardous power tool.

[James Hatch]

100%.

[Drew Tucker]

Just N. B says. And you just went to my point on ptsd. Brilliant, gents. Absolutely brilliant. Nailed it. If you can learn to work through, that's what we do. If you can't, you're faking the funk with PTSD and shouldn't own Firefox firearms.

[James Hatch]

There's some. There's some truth. There is some truth to that. We just can't deny that and say, oh, that's not possible. There's some truth to that.

[Brent Huberty]

Yeah.

[Drew Tucker]

Just. Now let me again says, thoughts on the VAE's memo on MDMI trials.

[James Hatch]

I'm not up to date on that, are you?

[Brent Huberty]

Yeah, a little bit. They're just trying out different psychedelics. So I think they've done psilocybin and now they're doing mdma. And those are kind of lightweights. The real heavy duty stuff. If you saw that, the waves where the ibogaine. Yeah, I did ibogaine and I did five meo. And that's right. Yeah, that's the. That's the Family Truckster.

[James Hatch]

How was.

[Magnet]

How was the ibogaine?

[Brent Huberty]

It's. It was a beating. Yeah, in a good way. But what it does is it shows you a side of what you are.

[Magnet]

And then here. Did you go to Mexico?

[Brent Huberty]

I went to Mexico and then I followed it up with the five meo. And that is a rocket ship.

[James Hatch]

Yeah.

[Brent Huberty]

And it is the combination of those two together. And in that whole system, which is ceremonial, that was life. I'll just say it this way, man. Most of my life, I thought about killing myself. And I never loved myself until the. I did that. And I've not thought about suicide since then. And I can honestly say I love myself because I saw what I am.

[Magnet]

Wow.

[James Hatch]

And.

[Brent Huberty]

And I. And some of the guys. I'm not a religious guy, but a lot of the guys that I was there with were Christian. And they were like, yeah, I saw God. Like 100. Like, it was. It was a beautiful thing.

[Drew Tucker]

We've got Joe Saunders. Yippee. Kaye says no one feel bad about hair. My kids and wife say, what happened? You were like Fabian.

[Brent Huberty]

Yeah, exactly.

[Drew Tucker]

Oh, well, I got married and had kids.

[Brent Huberty]

Bye. Bye. Hair. Yeah. So thanks for bringing that up. Family. Yeah.

[Drew Tucker]

And the last one so far of the night, it's north, southeast, west, couch, equal faint odor of hot dogs.

[Magnet]

So the guy that makes My shirts is a disabled vet. He was a marine, jumped out of helicopters. Last week when he dropped off the T shirts, his benefits were cut in half because they said that he can go back to work. He needs double hip replacement and a knee replacement. And his benefits were cut in half because they said he can go back to work.

[James Hatch]

Work. That's exactly what I'm talking about. You want to know why that's happening? Because there's so many scammers faking the system. The government isn't good about being precision with. With their cuts.

[Brent Huberty]

Well, I mean, think about it. Just think about being a VA person. I'm here. I'm a VA person. I'm a. You know, I'm a receptionist. I'm a patient. You know, I wasn't trained to figure. To be a detective, to. To figure out insurance fraud or.

[James Hatch]

Right.

[Brent Huberty]

And. But that's the now that's their respons. Like, they spend half their time trying to figure out who's so scammed.

[James Hatch]

And so many people were upset about my. My episode about. Oh, about veterans scamming the system, which. Which is my point. Because they're not good at it. Do you know the only people who can really fix this? Veterans getting out and having the integrity to say, this is what's wrong with me? And this is all. That's what.

[Brent Huberty]

Right.

[James Hatch]

Oh, that's wrong with me.

[Brent Huberty]

When you incentivize it.

[James Hatch]

I want to be compensated or, you know, fixed for what was broken. Love it. Nothing more, nothing less.

[Brent Huberty]

Right.

[Magnet]

They won't even fix them. Walks with a cane.

[James Hatch]

Who walks with a cane?

[Magnet]

He has to.

[Brent Huberty]

I do. If I want people to feel sorry for me. Yeah. Like, if I want to get on the seat in the airplane first, I take that cane with.

[James Hatch]

When you came before a kid, I feel so bad that you're up on the third floor. Like, of course he's up on the third floor.

[Brent Huberty]

I don't care. It's because it's a good price. And from what I'm hearing on the texture, I could take that Corvette for a ride.

[James Hatch]

You sure can. You absolutely can. All right, we've done it. We've done it for. For long enough. This is the point of the night where Bo is the big winner. And if he wants to hear Pantera, he gets to hear Pantera. This love. And we also read the. The regular chats on. On the way out instead of super chats.

[Magnet]

Someone wrote me and said that the new Sean Ryan has an undercover ATF agent, Chris Bayless. And he wrote. He read your Book Jimmy. And it saved his life.

[Brent Huberty]

Yeah, I talked to him on the phone the other day.

[James Hatch]

Oh, really?

[Brent Huberty]

I'm actually trying to get him to come talk to my class. He's reading this. He's reading Don Quixote right now, and he's going to figure out where to fit in. Yeah, that was a really interesting thing. He's a super. That guy's been through some things. No, have you? Did you listen?

[Magnet]

30 years of.

[Brent Huberty]

Yeah. Undercover gang work. Yeah. Yeah. For James Ra Wondering, do you have a piss bottle? So I don't know what that's all about.

[James Hatch]

Rob o' Neill told in a story that he had a piss bottle on the helicopter, which is normal, but then he forgot that he put it in his pocket, and then he cleared the whole thing with the piss bottle, and he got all the way back, back to Afghanistan with the piss bottle in his cargo pocket.

[Brent Huberty]

So. Ah. Okay. Now, I did stack up a few by my rack in the little hut I was living in because I didn't like to get up and waddle out there today for sure.

[James Hatch]

And I get that. Oh, man, Here we go. Oh, that would have been bad. I didn't know Maroon 5 also had a song called this Love, so. That would have been very.

[Brent Huberty]

That would have been bad.

[James Hatch]

Very different. I don't think Bo paid for that.

[Magnet]

He does live in Texas.

[James Hatch]

Oh, God. Gosh, no. Do not play that one, man. I'm telling you, Everything is slow tonight. Here we go. All right. Ttk. JD Would invade Cuba for the right couch. You think we'll. I mean, whether we should or not isn't the question. Do you think. You think he'll finish the hat trick? You think he'll do something about Cuba before he leaves?

[Brent Huberty]

I mean, why wouldn't he?

[Drew Tucker]

Why wouldn't he?

[Brent Huberty]

That's kind of what he does. I could take Cuba. What the does that mean? Okay, and then what? Right. Is anybody thinking about three or four years down the road?

[Drew Tucker]

Right?

[Brent Huberty]

Yeah, I think so.

[James Hatch]

I think he will as well. He's not up for Reed. I don't think he's ever cared about necessarily doing. Doing what? What's good for reelection. He just does what. What he wants.

[Brent Huberty]

Yeah.

[James Hatch]

Great live, y'. All. Joe Sanders. Thank you. Good to see you again. Braden Medlin. I'll be on time next week. Thank you. Buff like Jesus. Piss bottles and 50 grenades is how wars are 1t bone. Get off my Bluetooth, double G. My hometown, Longview, had an industrial accident with 8 confirmed presumed. 11 dead. Just keep them in your thoughts, please. Oh, my gosh.

[Brent Huberty]

That's that thing in la, right?

[James Hatch]

I don't know.

[Brent Huberty]

I think so.

[James Hatch]

Okay, if we sprayed WD on your head, James, could we bolus strike you?

[Brent Huberty]

That's not funny.

[James Hatch]

He didn't come out. He didn't come all the way out here to get harassed by you guys.

[Brent Huberty]

Yeah, I think that's my work. That might work.

[James Hatch]

Did Jimmy really put. Oh, my gosh, D. Fisher. Did Jimmy really put a dildo in a cookie jar?

[Brent Huberty]

That wasn't me.

[James Hatch]

Okay. All right. I figured you'd figure that.

[Brent Huberty]

I heard about it, though.

[James Hatch]

Gray beard operator. Good to see you back in the chat. He's replying to T. Chambers. I can honestly say, for my time with 75th Ranger Regiment, 3rd Group and some other units, I can honestly say it's not that sexy. It is at times, but it ain't always. Chucky. D. Just finishing. Just finished coming out of my daughter's art show in her middle school. Next time I'll bring a flask with some FRCC bourbon.

[Brent Huberty]

Absolutely.

[James Hatch]

Please do. Lost Boy Gray, 24, too old to join the National Guard or military in general.

[Brent Huberty]

No way.

[James Hatch]

You're in your prime, buddy.

[Brent Huberty]

Get after it, buddy.

[James Hatch]

You're in your prime. Absolutely. Aldo, severe hair loss is the ultimate test of confidence.

[Brent Huberty]

Like, you don't have a choice. Well, actually, mine just moved in my

[James Hatch]

back, which is really not sexy. I know. I get that, Dusty. Go Tigers. James, please tell me you use F bombs in your class.

[Brent Huberty]

I do. And actually, I went to some very famous professors when they gave me that opportunity, and I said, hey, man, what can I, you know, give me some advice? And the best ones, they all said the same thing. You just be yourself, do you? If you cuss, cuss, you know, And I do. But, hey, what I'm really proud of is that a young lady in the class I had this year who was pretty shy, actually used the word in class. And I was really impressed. And she introduced me to her parents, which means that they don't hate me, which is really cool.

[Magnet]

You need to watch Rooster.

[James Hatch]

He writes back and says, nice trans. Tim Kennedy says, yo. As he always does. As he always does. You know that Bo just texted me and said he's 1000% right about having that canine talks. So Bo was a 10th group Green Beret canine handler as well. I think he's one of the, if not the first Green Beret and. And training to send a dog out of MFF on the white side. He's done a lot of canine work. He's a Great dude. Great dude.

[Brent Huberty]

When I was a free fall instructor at Yuma, it was full of 10th Group guys. Oh, yeah? Yeah. They call it a 10th Group mafia.

[James Hatch]

Yeah. Yep. Yep. Brandon Bailey. How often do you knife hand students? It. James.

[Brent Huberty]

I don't knife him.

[James Hatch]

I don't. Yeah, you don't seem like a knife to me. You're too laid back for.

[Brent Huberty]

I'm not very laid back, but I'm not allowed.

[James Hatch]

I should say demilitarized.

[Drew Tucker]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[James Hatch]

Be a better word for it.

[Brent Huberty]

Hey, see that kid? Hey, the kid. Anthony Annunziata. He's a. He's an assault charge with a lacrosse stick. Be careful. Yeah. He says F bombs are most definitely thrown in class. Yeah.

[James Hatch]

Love it. Love it.

[Brent Huberty]

He throws a few too.

[James Hatch]

I love that your students are. Are in here supporting you. It's really. It shows.

[Brent Huberty]

They're amazing.

[James Hatch]

Shows the type of.

[Brent Huberty]

But that's how they are. They're that way with each other.

[James Hatch]

Yeah.

[Brent Huberty]

And their teachers. Yeah. It's really cool.

[James Hatch]

Last resort for Brent. Does your former unit still only do deliberate with mandatory requirements of it being at night and ballistic walls? And how does it differ with Dev Brew. Oh, that is a. That is. There's a lot to unpack there, but. No, that's not. Not necessarily. We'll. We'll do it. We'll do it whenever it requires. Day, night, same ballistic walls. Non ballistic walls. It. It all that matters. We have shields. We'll bring ballistic walls if we got to do. Yeah, right. Don't. Don't get trapped in this box of. We can only do this under these certain conditions.

[Brent Huberty]

That's a very conventional mindset.

[James Hatch]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Joe Sanders. Whole new meaning to curse like a drunken sailor.

[Brent Huberty]

Yeah. For sure.

[James Hatch]

Animal mother. Could be military science. But I heard a dude who said he was Navy, but not in the Navy per se worked either.

[Brent Huberty]

Worked Eat EOD guys.

[James Hatch]

Do you see trained lions?

[Brent Huberty]

They do use sea lions.

[James Hatch]

I was at the naval. Gosh, I can't remember what it was called. The Navy developmental Dive Unit. Is it. That's what it's called.

[Brent Huberty]

The experimental dive. Yeah, I did that experimental.

[James Hatch]

And so my SF team was. They was going down there. I don't know who set it up. We went and did a walkthrough of. Of their facilities and then they were showing how. They were showing us some crazy. I mean. And that's how we get our. Our. Our dive charge.

[Brent Huberty]

Dude, I rode bicycles underwater for 12 hours with thermometers up my butt like that. Yeah, that's.

[James Hatch]

I saw people doing that behind glass. Yeah, Living, you know, at 100 foot depths, you know, for long periods of time.

[Brent Huberty]

You think, oh, I'm only going to be in here eight hours. All I need is a three, two, one.

[James Hatch]

Oh, gosh. When we were leaving, they're like, hey, we need people to do dive things. Are you interested? By the way, this guy who gave us the walkthrough told me, he goes, I said, I said, have you ever. Are you a diver? Yes. Have you ever done this? Yes, I've also done this. I said, what's the worst thing ever happened to. He's like, I lost my eyesight for like four days once, but it came back. I was like, okay, sat divers are saturation divers, right? So at the very end, he goes, hey, we're looking for guys. You guys are tactical diversity. We need you and we'll pay you extra. And I forget what it was like 75 a day. It was not much your eyesight. I was like, what is it? He goes, we have these, you know, we have these dolphins, you know, that are, that are protecting the bays. And we gotta, we need dolphin. We need guys to come in, train against them and train against them and don't worry, they'll have a muzzle. But, you know, their job is to basically come hit you. I was like, so I'm gonna get, and I'm gonna get a Draeger, swim in the middle of the night and just wait for an 800 pound dolphin with, with a little padding on his nose to go full force into my side, just waiting for it.

[Brent Huberty]

They hit like, no, thank you. Like the Seattle D line.

[Drew Tucker]

Yeah.

[Brent Huberty]

You know what I mean?

[James Hatch]

Like, that's exactly what I thought. You could find something I want worth 75 bucks.

[Brent Huberty]

You better. It's frightening.

[James Hatch]

You better, you better. You better. Add a couple zeros. Here it comes.

[Brent Huberty]

Here it comes. Here it comes.

[James Hatch]

Absolutely. It. Could you imagine depending how far out you are, but I'm guessing it's a 30 minute to hour infill and every kick you take, you're waiting for an animal to come near you.

[Brent Huberty]

Yeah.

[James Hatch]

No.

[Brent Huberty]

And you know, the. They put on them for real ain't padded.

[James Hatch]

Yeah, okay.

[Brent Huberty]

Yeah. And it's designed to puncture you and then inflate you, so.

[James Hatch]

That's so funny. Anyway, James, I hope we didn't disappoint. I told you the recording would. Would be what it is. But the, but the live would be a whole different animal. It would be a lot of fun. And it's fun, man. You got a good crew and it's exactly. And it's fun because of the community. It's, it's fun because of you guys. I, I love it. Thank you so much. Thank you for everything you've done for our country. Thank you. Everything that you continue to do with raising the next generation of young Americans and what you do with the K9 work. I, I, I just can't thank you enough for coming.

[Brent Huberty]

Appreciate it.

[James Hatch]

I love it when guys like you come on the show and I, and I've never met them, and we leave and we leave knowing I could, I like that guy. I don't like many people. I like that guy. I could, I could call that guy at any point.

[Brent Huberty]

And yeah, man, I hope you come visit me. You'll meet some of the kids, check it out, come do a podcast up there.

[James Hatch]

Yeah, this.

[Brent Huberty]

We could definitely be the last time

[James Hatch]

we see each other.

[Brent Huberty]

And there's some kids up there that listen to your show before. I'm like, hey, man, would you guys. You're like, yeah, he's cool, right? So that's awesome. Thank you. And I think what you're doing is also, I believe, a national asset. And I don't mean to say that in like a, you know, I'm not kissing your ass, but you're having difficult discussions about things that matter with people who clearly give a shit about their country.

[James Hatch]

Right.

[Brent Huberty]

And are passionate. And I think this is the kind of thing that we need a lot more of. And I think if we get the opportunity to engage in these types of discussions, we should invite more people. We should try to make it a community thing. And I think what's really cool about, like, a person like you is you have these titles, you have these accolades. You would belong to these units, and you, and you use it as a, as a force for good, to bring people in to try to help them. And I think that's a great thing. Thank you for giving me the opportunity to share, talk about my time. I hope, like, I want people to understand how important those dogs are, man. Like, you can't imagine what it's like to go out, like, I did all these missions with the dogs, and then when I lost them, I didn't have them. And I was like, holy, I'm naked. Naked. The dogs are such a force multiplier, and they keep people alive. Police officers go home to their families every night. Shooters go home to their families every night. God knows that the dogs sometimes have to suffer. But it is upon, it is incumbent upon us to, because of what they give us, the safety they provide our personal families.

[James Hatch]

Right.

[Brent Huberty]

Our units, our nation. It is that we got to take. We got to give them everything they need to be successful before, during, and after.

[James Hatch]

I agree.

[Brent Huberty]

And. And it's just the duty. It's ethics. And last, I would like to say to your audience, we need you guys who give a shit about this country to be kind to each other and figure out how to move to the next step. And I'm doing my part, and it's clear you're doing yours. I think we all need to do that because it's important. Our country is a special place, and in spite of its blemishes and all of the things that are wrong. No, no. Where in the world was a guy like me get to stand up in front of a class at Yale University who comes from where I did? Like, that only happens in the United States of America.

[James Hatch]

We talked about that on the recording.

[Brent Huberty]

Yeah.

[James Hatch]

Gratitude, gratefulness, you know.

[Brent Huberty]

Yeah.

[James Hatch]

And we're gonna. You'll get one more chance to say the last word because you are the guest magnet. What do you got for us?

[Magnet]

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[James Hatch]

Do it, Drew.

[Drew Tucker]

I want to thank Jimmy for coming out tonight. Really appreciate it, really enjoyed it. The recording was great. You guys, check us out at. Truth in the Dark podcast. Doing a live every Sunday night so far, 7pm you guys have asked about tongues. We're gonna talk about tongue speaking. What the Bible talks about that and. And then answer all your random Bible questions. This Sunday night. Live Truth and Dart podcast.

[Brent Huberty]

Check it out.

[James Hatch]

Jimmy.

[Brent Huberty]

Yeah, man. Two things I want to say about the dogs again. Spikes, canine fund. Any little bit is helpful, and I promise you, your money is well spent there. And the last thing I want to talk about, we're talking about mental health a little bit. I've run across this recently. A guy who's a former hockey player who knows some people, some head injuries, and had some psychological issues. He's got veterans, and he approached me, said, jimmy, would you use this and check it out and see if it works? And it's helpful. It's an app. It's called check In. And when you set it up, you put people in there that if you forget to check in, it will alert them and they'll check in on you. So like I can use it with buddies that I know are struggling. We both. And I can hear that they're doing or I can see that they're struggling and I can call them because a lot of us aren't going to ask. But if we put something into the app that's random and there's a group now, we know somebody needs help. This thing is amazing. And every day attraction. It does graphs you can see. You can put journal notes in there about, hey, this is what was going on today. This is why this affected me. And I think this is like when we talked about after actions. I think the Check in app gives you an ability to put some perspective on how you're really doing over a long period. And I think this is something that you can do as a friend group or a team, a school, a church, whatever. It helps you take care of each other in ways that guys aren't going to come up. There's a 1-800-suicide. Nobody you know, they're not going to do that. They're going to want to have somebody that they know.

[James Hatch]

Yeah.

[Brent Huberty]

And trust. And I think this is a really good way to help that happen. The Check in app. Check it out.

[James Hatch]

You got it.

[Drew Tucker]

Cool.

[James Hatch]

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