Kyle Morgan | Tier1 Podcast

Summary

Tier1 Podcast – Episode Summary

Episode: Kyle Morgan | Tier1 Podcast
Date: July 9, 2026
Host: Brent Tucker
Guest: Kyle Morgan
Producer: Drew Tucker

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Episode Overview

In this rich and deeply personal episode, Delta Force veteran and host Brent Tucker sits down with returning guest and friend Kyle Morgan—fellow special operations veteran, instructor, and founder of Blue Bearing. Together, they deliver a candid conversation about the realities of transitioning from elite military service to building a meaningful business, personal and spiritual transformation, leadership, teaching, the value (and struggle) of healthy relationships, and the importance of authenticity. The episode offers an inside look at the culture and challenges of special operations, the business of tactical instruction, faith, and the hard lessons learned from career, addiction, and personal loss.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Podcasting: Fun vs. Business

• Transition & Stress: Both Tucker and Morgan reflect on how podcasting evolves—from a passion project to a business when sponsors and expectations are added.
• Authenticity versus Promotion: Morgan emphasizes the importance of genuine relationships with sponsors and being wary of turning into a “paid influencer.”

  "I want to safeguard my own emotional, mental and spiritual health too. I can't be there for everybody. And that's where using these platforms to help radiate our messages and voice and being a light in all the darkness, the chaos is huge. But I want to do it with integrity, with honor…" (07:00, Kyle Morgan)

2. Building Teams and Managing Partnership Dynamics

• The Necessity of Strong Teams: Morgan details his approach to assembling his Blue Bearing team, onboarding training directors, and the learning curve of leadership outside the military.
• Articulating Value: Both discuss the humility required to build up those around you while maintaining high standards:

  “I lessened myself quite a bit to try to build him [Blake] up and anyone else... I think that I am a very capable man that's capable of also some extraordinarily bad things if I'm being honest with myself." (97:33, Kyle Morgan)

3. Personal Growth and Sobriety

• Public Growth: Morgan talks about healing “out loud,” sharing the journey through addiction, recovery, and the profound impact it’s had on his life and mission.

  “I was, I was lost, man, and to the, to the point of like extremely dangerous to myself and others... But I would, I would not want to intentionally cause people harm. So I would do it in the darkness…” (39:20, Kyle Morgan)

• Accountability and Grace: He recounts the life-saving interventions and the grace shown by others and emphasizes the importance of honesty after years of hiding mistakes.

  “Had that not happened the way it happened, they would have let me retire from the unit and... I would have just gotten away with something and that that massive character defect that had to be exposed wouldn't have been exposed.” (47:40, Kyle Morgan)

4. Faith, Values & Transformation

• Spiritual Maturity: Morgan connects his faith journey to his personal growth, highlighting the difference between mere endurance and hope.

  “So scripture tells us to use the trials, the tribulations, the strengthening, to endure. But to endure what? To get to hope. Because if you're just enduring, that's misery. So it has to be connected to some sort of hope.” (34:20, Kyle Morgan)

• Intent & Authenticity: The discussion delves into the difference between actions and intent, with Morgan and Tucker agreeing that motives are eventually revealed by time and consistency.

  “Intent. That's the difference between the left and right column... time will always tell what your intent is. It will come through.” (32:41, Brent Tucker)

5. Leadership Lessons from Special Operations

• Teaching & Translation: Both share their passion for translating combat and team experience into lessons for law enforcement and first responders—impacting survivability and decision making.

  “It's not just to grab a mic, not just to grab FaceTime with people, it's to impact their lives and to allow. To increase their survivability. And God forbid, if they have to use lethal force, like their lethality.” (74:09, Kyle Morgan)

• Navigating Gray Areas: The challenges of high-stakes environments are explored authentically, emphasizing the non-binary, real-world complexity of “shoot/no-shoot,” and the burden of leadership.

  “Combat's just not always black and white... And, and, and we don't, we don't get the benefit of, of knowing whether we made the right call or not. They're just, they're just calls you make and you have to live with.” (70:10, Brent Tucker)

6. Culture, Brotherhood, and Accountability

• Ongoing Connection: The group reflects on the difficulty of keeping up with relationships outside tight-knit teams, and publicly challenges themselves to regular check-ins for accountability.

  “We weren't meant to do this walk physically, like, without other human beings. Brothers in Christ and brothers that… we have a lot of shared common experiences.” (23:01, Kyle Morgan)

• Iron Sharpens Iron: The importance of surrounding yourself with people who make you better—even (or especially) when that means swallowing pride.

  “But I'm very intentional about teaching the very basic principles of all of it. And it's, it's made me a better shooter. But him, he's the training director now and like my man crushes me in some things, but not everything. And I absolutely love iron sharpens iron. I love it, dude.” (116:29, Kyle Morgan)

7. Notable Operations and Public Storytelling

• Radisson Hotel & Distinguished Service Cross: Morgan shares the importance—and complications—of finally telling his perspective of the Radisson Hotel mission publicly, why it matters for the record, and the responsibility of publicly representing the experience of a select few.

  “There's a lot of narratives that were starting to get written even from when I was awarded the Distinguished Service Cross… That place is a breeding ground for, for terrorism… I was told to maintain relationships so we can take every single one of us to go dismantle ISIS.” (101:20–106:21)

8. Humor & Humanity

• Funny Stories: After some coaxing, the episode closes with light-hearted anecdotes from training—the importance of not taking oneself too seriously, and the playful competitiveness among teammates (see 131:07, “Texas scramble” golf wager).

  “If I win, I get the master bedroom, and you guys got to do a sleepover one of the nights, and I get to pick the nightgowns…” (131:07, Kyle Morgan)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “I think podcasting has a weird way of going from fun because at the beginning of it, it is fun… then once it turns into a business, it becomes a little less fun.”
  —Brent Tucker (05:57)

• “Everything I have in my life is contingent on for me truly being sober minded.”
  —Kyle Morgan (47:51)

• “True freedom to me is the space that if you can invite the Holy Spirit into between instinct and action and watch that space increase…”
  —Kyle Morgan (35:33)

• “Combat's just not always black and white. It's just, it's not always a guy with an AK pointed at you. So that's easy. That's an easy one. What happens when you go into a room, and there's an AK in the room and he's next to it?”
  —Brent Tucker (69:53)

• “Had everything not happened exactly the way that it, that God intended, I wouldn't be sitting here right now…”
  —Kyle Morgan (47:47)

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Important Timestamps

• 03:08 – Introduction of Kyle Morgan and discussion of podcasting chemistry
• 05:57 – The shift from hobbyist podcasting to the stress of business
• 10:22 – Recent collaboration with Andy Stumpf and thoughts on training studios
• 23:01 – On brotherhood, accountability, and periodic check-ins
• 32:41 – Deep discussion: Action vs. intent, authenticity, and heart posture
• 34:20 – 37:41 – The spiritual journey: Hope, faith, sobriety, and practical renewal
• 39:20 – Morgan’s candor about addiction, overdose, and recovery
• 47:40 – DUI, honesty, and the vital lesson of exposure
• 70:10 – The burden and ambiguity of combat decisions and leadership
• 74:09 – The mission and impact of tactical training for law enforcement
• 92:49–94:54 – Personal loss, resilience, and the transition around the departure of Blake
• 97:33–99:41 – On building a business, supporting others, and hard-earned wisdom
• 101:20–106:21 – Lifting the curtain on the Radisson operation and the reality of awards
• 116:29 – "Iron sharpens iron": Embracing friendly competition in training and growth
• 131:07 – The episode wraps with levity—golf bets and team hijinks

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Conclusion

This episode is a rare, wide-ranging discussion best described as raw, insightful, and deeply human. Tucker and Morgan, in their authentic, blue-collar, yet spiritually grounded style, pull no punches about the challenges of leadership, recovery, faith, and building a truly meaningful post-military life.

Recommended For:

• Veterans & first responders navigating life after service
• Leaders—especially those facing moral or personal adversity
• Anyone interested in the intersection of elite military culture, faith, and practical real-world advice

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Transcript

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[Narrator/Advertiser]

Welcome to the Tier one podcast.

[Brent Tucker]

This is amazing. Dude, check this out. And with us today, we have my old friend Kyle Morgan. I would. I would go through the. The normal. How many years of service, what you did, but at this point, I almost feel like that would be a little bit rude. I think. I think they know you.

[Kyle Morgan]

I gotta do it. I gotta talk about myself. Humbly, of course.

[Brent Tucker]

Correct.

[Kyle Morgan]

That's, you know, kingpix Media. He talks about one of his satire things. His Persona is. It's the csgi Combat Solutions Group Industries.

[Narrator/Advertiser]

Yes.

[Kyle Morgan]

So basically, like a blue bearing, but the opposite of what we do.

[Brent Tucker]

Right.

[Kyle Morgan]

They talk about their teaching methodology is the teach method. So talk. Tell everyone about Combat comma. Humbly. So, yeah. So if that's what you're looking to get out of this podcast.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah. All right, let's. Let's kick it off like we're here. Yeah, Absolutely.

[Kyle Morgan]

No crap. There I was. We were flying.

[Brent Tucker]

We should have brought him. You should have brought him. Put him right on the couch right there. Just say funny things all the time. He's hilarious.

[Kyle Morgan]

He is. I love him. I love having him as a co host. And basically, when we. When we agreed on doing it, it's for the Black and Blue podcast, because in case you don't know, I'm a podcaster as well, not just doing other people's podcasts. This year has been a little different in that sense, and I'll talk about that with the intention of it, but the Black and Blue is a regular thing. Every week there's an episode coming out, whether it's public or. Or on a bonus episode on Patreon. But, you know, bringing him on is our energy, our chemistry is there. He's extremely intelligent. He's extremely witty. He's a man of faith. His priorities are as, you know, his wife and children and then the community that he serves. And he's become a brother man. And I really do appreciate everything that he does. For me, the biggest thing that when we started this relationship with the podcast specifically, you know, I was like, hey, man, I really just want to bring you on as a way for it to reduce the, the stress of guests.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Kyle Morgan]

So, like, we're still going to have guests, people that I want to talk to, people that, you know, we've blessed, we've been blessed with opportunities to talk to. You've been on the, on the show. That was one of our better performing episodes, man. And it's because of the conversation, like, I care about you and you care about me and, and then we care about, you know, having conversations publicly. And that's, you know, that's the. But it also is stressful as, you know, like lining up schedules, everybody. And it's, it really has created a, an atmosphere where it's less stressful for me.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah. So it, Podcasting has a weird way of going from fun because at the beginning of it, it is fun. I'm not saying it's not fun anymore, but yeah, it's new, it's exciting. It's a different challenge. And then once it turns into a business, it becomes a little less fun. You know, as soon as you get that first sponsor that now you have to put out an episode every Monday. It's different when you want to put out an episode every Monday and when you have in writing and you're telling other businesses that you will put one out every Monday. And so the domino effect, now I have to find someone, I have to find something to talk about and the stress begins.

[Kyle Morgan]

Dude, one of the things that, you know, because you're 100. I agree, 100. Like the sponsorships for podcasts are, are a very necessary and a very appropriate thing that you can use to help leverage the platform that, you know, God's providing you and that you're, you're fostering and nurturing, being a good steward of. But as you, the moment you put a brand on, on the podcast, it's kind of there forever.

[Drew Tucker]

Yeah.

[Kyle Morgan]

And it's like one of the things, this is just an observation, I think just from being a podcaster is, I mean, some companies just want to do something with you for a couple months, so then they can use the content for years per year and, you know, they may pay you for a couple months and that's it. And it's like, just like with Blue Bearing, like, I'm about relationships and long relationship. I mean, connection really. I want to be someone that's worth connecting with. I want to safeguard my own emotional, mental and spiritual health too. I can't be there for everybody. And that's where using these platforms to help radiate our messages and voice and Being a light in all the, all the darkness, the chaos is huge. But I want to do it with integrity, with honor and, and to show people that I'm not just like a paid, a paid for, you know, influencer. And you know, there's. The thing is though, like companies out there, some of them want long relationships. And the biggest way to tell is, is talk about contracts. Yeah. You know, for me it's like a two year contract is kind of the minimum to show. Now I get it. In the beginning, you're trying to see if there's, if it's equitable, if it's the right fit. You don't need a contract to do that.

[Brent Tucker]

Right.

[Kyle Morgan]

Just try things out and, you know, but I wouldn't spend too long on, you know, it not being quantifiable.

[Brent Tucker]

Right. We need to date for too long.

[Kyle Morgan]

Yeah. And some things are just more of a natural fit anyway, so there's really no dating period. It's just kind of like, yeah, let's, let's try it for six months. But after that trial period of a six month contract, that's where I'm like, let's do, you know, a year to two years because. And that's where right now with our podcast, the two sponsors. The podcast are sponsors of Blue Bearing, which they also, in our contracts also sponsor the podcast as a, as a part of it. So the expectations are. It's a little, we fill all the expectations with both part with both the, the partnerships with Blue Bearing and with the podcast. So it's very helpful. But it is something that, like you mentioned, it's a business like, and it's fun to do until it turns into a business and then you gotta, you know, pay people and then especially with guests that you want to like. A good example is I went out and filmed with Andy Stump last week for one. It was an opportunity that he was open to and why not go to Kalispell and in June and I got to take my wife. Love that area, my family and yeah, it's beautiful. It was a good reset for us, man. And. But as a part of it, I was like, yeah, he wanted me to do his podcast, the Cleared Hot. So I'm excited for that. You've done that one. And he's a wonderful human being, but a wonderful podcaster and just a conversationalist. But as a part of it, I was like, hey, can you do our podcast too? Like, you know, obviously, logistically, me flying out there, you flying back, doesn't make sense financially. Like, what about if we Just get out there, and then we film our podcast on top of yours. And we can use a different setting. We were actually potentially going to use the black rifle coffee that he started or opened up there.

[Brent Tucker]

Yep. The coffee shop there.

[Kyle Morgan]

Yeah. It is beautiful.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Kyle Morgan]

But it would have had to been after hours, so it closes at 6:00pm yeah. And we just decided to film in his. In his podcast, which is next level. It's a. I mean, it's a smaller space, but it's like.

[Brent Tucker]

Right. You decide to slum it in his studio, huh?

[Kyle Morgan]

Yeah, dude. I mean, the lights like it. He talked about, like, you know, everyone wears hats, so, like, that shadow. He has a light back here up there. It's just like these big. I don't know what they're called, but, yeah, Starship was like, this is nice.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah. I was talking to JT about that because he had a hand in helping get that studio design. They brought in, like, a company from Hollywood.

[Kyle Morgan]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

Something like that to do. And it shows.

[Kyle Morgan]

Impressive.

[Brent Tucker]

It is it. He set the bar on it. Yeah.

[Kyle Morgan]

We just threw up a black. A cheap black and blue flag over top of black rifle coffee.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Kyle Morgan]

And. And I switched seats with him, which was cool.

[Brent Tucker]

Talk about his podcast studio. There was a time where I was looking at mine. I was like, hey, I want to have the best podcast studio. I'm happy with mine. I was thinking for a while, I was like. I was looking at everyone else's like, what can I do to, like, plant the flag and do something really cool as a podcast studio and have a

[Kyle Morgan]

war room on your wall?

[Brent Tucker]

And then. And then he did that, and I. I quit thinking about that. I was like, I'm not. Well, stop. I'm not gonna beat that. This is fine. This is.

[Kyle Morgan]

This is more than just fine. This is a. This is what we would call in the biz, a vibe.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Kyle Morgan]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

Well, this is your second time here. If you're. If you're on my Patreon, you would know this, but most people don't know this publicly. Publicly.

[Kyle Morgan]

I've been just quietly waiting for you to take ownership of it. People are like, I thought y' all filmed, like, I guess Brent hates me. I don't know.

[Brent Tucker]

You would have been, I believe, episode three. I'm. I'm thinking it was a while ago. Two or three.

[Kyle Morgan]

Thought it was gonna be two.

[Brent Tucker]

Could have been two. Okay.

[Kyle Morgan]

That was gonna be two.

[Brent Tucker]

Probably two.

[Kyle Morgan]

And not your first, but.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah. Yeah. Well, you can't be. What is. What does Ric Flair say? He says that wasn't Very good. He goes, no one. No one can be first anymore, but all of you can be next.

[Kyle Morgan]

That's perfect.

[Brent Tucker]

The. I don't know why. I just quoted Ric Flair.

[Kyle Morgan]

I like it.

[Brent Tucker]

But we filmed you and JT on the same day, and I was new at this. It was a new editing software, and I had edited one episode. Okay. With just. Just fine. And I brought in all the clips and everything that I wanted to do to edit that episode.

[Kyle Morgan]

And I basically Instagram edits or something.

[Brent Tucker]

I use DaVinci Resolve. DaVinci Resolve. Yeah. And I basically.

[Kyle Morgan]

Complex. You still use that?

[Brent Tucker]

Oh, yeah, I still use it. I love it now. I love it now. But it was a little bit of a learning curve, and part of that learning curve was deleting your episode and JT's episode.

[Kyle Morgan]

Right. I thought you. I thought you were punking me when you said that. You're like, how I deleted the episode. I was like, I thought it was a great episode. Like, I don't know why you would have deleted it.

[Brent Tucker]

Funny that we're talking about this story. You're just talking about Andy. I was working on the episode on the plane flying to. To Andy's.

[Kyle Morgan]

Oh, really?

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah. And I deleted it. And it even said, are you sure you want to delete? This will be temporary. This will be permanent. But I was in the da Vinci program, so I thought it would permanently delete it from da Vinci, because I just brought in a bunch more, accidentally highlighted all the clips, and brought everything that I didn't need. So I just wanted to take everything back out. But no, it meant it. It deleted it. It wasn't in the recycling bin. Absolutely deleted it permanently.

[Kyle Morgan]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

Before Andy's was the next day and we landed, I went to Best Buy. I was go to the Geek Squad. I was like, is there any way you can recover things that were accidentally about that? Oh, I went. I went to some other nerd computer store. At some point, I just had to accept they're gone. Yeah, they're gone. So, yeah. Welcome. Welcome back again.

[Kyle Morgan]

Are not in the computer again.

[Brent Tucker]

The files are not. And the computer.

[Kyle Morgan]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

So it took seven months to get you back.

[Kyle Morgan]

Because I love you. I'm here.

[Brent Tucker]

Thank you. And we go to the lives and we get. Do a live this time.

[Kyle Morgan]

Yep. We'll do a live tonight. Yeah. And do a little workout in between.

[Brent Tucker]

And we'll do a workout in between,

[Kyle Morgan]

which I think that's also worth mentioning is you look fantastic, by the way.

[Brent Tucker]

Thank you.

[Kyle Morgan]

I was like, I can't get past this. Tricep that keeps flexing on me right now. It's just, like, now.

[Brent Tucker]

I don't know what to the.

[Kyle Morgan]

I. I'm still trying to get my left side to match my right from the neckers I talked about on the podcast. But clearly you showed up blue and white.

[Brent Tucker]

So I decided to run upstairs before the episode.

[Kyle Morgan]

And he changed for you.

[Brent Tucker]

I was like, I can do a collared shirt.

[Kyle Morgan]

It looks good.

[Brent Tucker]

Been getting some.

[Kyle Morgan]

Are these new?

[Brent Tucker]

Those are new, actually. Yeah. Devin got those for me for Christmas. Well, stay calm.

[Kyle Morgan]

There you go.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Kyle Morgan]

Yeah, this is new. The old King of Judah.

[Brent Tucker]

Nice.

[Kyle Morgan]

It's like a. You guys will both really appreciate this. It's. It's. It's kind of like that, you know, the. The devil's a cunning lion. Roaring. Roaring lion.

[Brent Tucker]

Roaming around.

[Kyle Morgan]

Roaming around. Exactly. And. But it's also the representation of the King of Judah and Jesus with the prophecy fulfilled, and when he. You know, how he leads with courage, but with grace and truth. And so it's. It's on my hands. This is a compass. This is that Vegasir. I'm not an. I'm not a Nordic for folklore person, but it is a representation of. If you don't know where you're going, man, any road will take you there. So, like, my hands are busy. My hands are doing things, and they're out here, and I'm like, especially with teaching.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Kyle Morgan]

And it's just the way I. I. I basically scrutinize things through this optic, you know, this renewed sense of. Of my. Of my mind and to include tattoos, because it doesn't tell us in scripture that we can't get tattoos. It's. It's why we're doing them. You know, people take Leviticus out of context now. Right, Drew?

[Drew Tucker]

That is correct.

[Kyle Morgan]

We're. It's.

[Drew Tucker]

We're not under the law.

[Kyle Morgan]

Yeah, well, that. And it's, you know, using it to worship some pagan tradition and all those things. It's gonna. It's. That's against what God tells us. But why we're doing something. Is it for attention? Is it. Same way. Why am I sitting in this seat right now?

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Kyle Morgan]

Like, is it. Is it for more attention?

[Brent Tucker]

What was your first tattoo? How old were you, and what was it?

[Kyle Morgan]

Fifteen.

[Brent Tucker]

Fifteen?

[Kyle Morgan]

Yeah. I'll show. I'll show everybody. It's the only one I have.

[Brent Tucker]

Oh, sir, this is a family show, but go ahead.

[Kyle Morgan]

Let me pop this top.

[Brent Tucker]

That was your first tattoo at 15?

[Kyle Morgan]

Yeah. It's just cross. Well, it's been added to with the.

[Brent Tucker]

Okay.

[Kyle Morgan]

Eagle.

[Brent Tucker]

All right.

[Kyle Morgan]

It's in memory of my cousin that passed away in a car accident.

[Brent Tucker]

Oh, wow. Oh, yeah.

[Kyle Morgan]

It's a memory of my cousin that passed away in a car accident in Florida, actually.

[Brent Tucker]

No way.

[Kyle Morgan]

Not far from here. Heading out to one of the springs, you know, on one of the days off from school. Yeah, they were, you know, convoying out there and, you know, just having a good old time. And he was driving a Ford Explorer Sport, overcorrected off the shoulder, and it's that sugar sand.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah. Oh, yeah.

[Drew Tucker]

Just.

[Kyle Morgan]

It flipped it, like, eight times. He was ejected. The passenger survived. She was buckled up. So it was. It really, you know, at that age, 15, about to be 16. He was maybe eight months older than me. I looked up to him, and to lose him at that young. I was able to get this in memory of him and convince my. My mother to sign.

[Brent Tucker]

Okay.

[Kyle Morgan]

I don't know if you can do this in Florida still, but back then you could with a legal guardian signature tattoo. So I got that one at, like, 15, about to be 16.

[Brent Tucker]

Do you have to talk your mom into it where she's like, okay with this one?

[Kyle Morgan]

No, she was. She was supportive because me and my other. My cousin drew it, and we've got it. We both got it on the same spot, and she was. She was super supportive. But then after that, I was like, hey, what about this one? What about this one? And I got a bunch of these, like, silly tattoos all over me.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah. So we.

[Kyle Morgan]

Which I won't show on camera, but we.

[Brent Tucker]

We. We grew up similar, but both. Both Florida. Both. Both not wealthy to say the least.

[Kyle Morgan]

Oh, trailer park

[Brent Tucker]

Sulfur water for sure. Here's.

[Kyle Morgan]

I couldn't smell that.

[Brent Tucker]

There's two things that I wanted as a kid now. Just because. Just because we were trailer trash.

[Kyle Morgan]

Buttoned back up.

[Brent Tucker]

Oh, there you go.

[Kyle Morgan]

Can't let too much chest meat come out.

[Brent Tucker]

Just because we were trailer trash, by. By definition, my mom refused to let us be white trash, and I wanted.

[Kyle Morgan]

Are you calling me white trash?

[Brent Tucker]

I was talking to myself. Okay, but if the shoe fits, wear it. I wanted a rat tail so bad. That's so bad. I'm so glad my mom didn't let me have a sweet bowl.

[Kyle Morgan]

I had a sweet bowl cut for a long time.

[Brent Tucker]

Oh, did you?

[Kyle Morgan]

Oh, yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

So she wouldn't let me have a rat tail. Wasn't happy about it, but I moved on.

[Kyle Morgan]

What you're trying to do now. What do you call that? What do you call that when it's that.

[Drew Tucker]

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[Brent Tucker]

That's.

[Kyle Morgan]

There's like a word for it.

[Brent Tucker]

It's like, it's. I don't know what I'm doing with that right now. I'm just. My hairline's receding, so I'm just growing it out to enjoy my hair for the last. For maybe the last few years.

[Kyle Morgan]

That's what I did for a little while. Didn't last very long. Now my hair is all falling out. It's bad, dude. Like, back here now, too. I just. Eventually, I'm going to keep it buzzed, man.

[Narrator/Advertiser]

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[Brent Tucker]

Right. Yeah, man.

[Kyle Morgan]

I had it pretty long like that. You know, I had the. But I'd always have to wear a hat because I'm like, dude, I can't cover up The. The comb over doesn't work anymore.

[Brent Tucker]

Right.

[Kyle Morgan]

So. But, you know, I turned 42 in three days, so. Well, held on to. I held on to it longer for. Than anyone else in my. On my dad's side of the family.

[Brent Tucker]

There you go.

[Kyle Morgan]

Like, by a lot. They were like, buzzing their head by, like 27.

[Brent Tucker]

Well, the. The second thing I wanted so bad.

[Kyle Morgan]

She wanted.

[Brent Tucker]

She works for a while get. Was I wanted a Megadeth poster. Remember those mega Death posters? Guy coming like, the skeleton. I think it's Eddie the Skeleton. And I wanted one so bad, and

[Kyle Morgan]

my mom said I probably had some.

[Brent Tucker]

Absolutely not.

[Kyle Morgan]

Some, like, hot boys posters.

[Brent Tucker]

Dude, I was.

[Kyle Morgan]

I was like, juvenile and.

[Brent Tucker]

Oh, yeah.

[Kyle Morgan]

Big timers and all that.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah, this was. This was pretty young.

[Kyle Morgan]

Bleach blonde.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah, this is pretty young in my life. Like eight, nine tanger on my hip. Yeah. And then I. I had my rap phase in middle school and, like, in high school. And then by high school, my. Thankfully, my brother had. Had ripped me out of that.

[Kyle Morgan]

Drew, you older?

[Brent Tucker]

Oh, yeah, a little bit.

[Kyle Morgan]

Yeah, a little bit. A little bit.

[Brent Tucker]

Three years older.

[Kyle Morgan]

There it is. Dude, I love that recent post y' all did. Is it like the Step brothers one or is that.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah, yeah, we were. Where were we at, Drew? We were down in. Right outside Miami at a show. So we did a. The Step brothers, like, on a boat, like, type thing.

[Kyle Morgan]

Or was it.

[Drew Tucker]

Was it the vest or the boat?

[Kyle Morgan]

No.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah, yeah. You're talking about the vest one.

[Kyle Morgan]

Yeah, it was.

[Brent Tucker]

I know.

[Kyle Morgan]

I just saw it more recently.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah, yeah, yes.

[Kyle Morgan]

It's recirculating. That's the thing about the Internet. It's always there.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah, yeah.

[Kyle Morgan]

Unless you delete the files before you post them.

[Brent Tucker]

That's the problem. It never got to the Internet. I still have that video.

[Kyle Morgan]

I will say this. It does force you. You to have some time with my. With my friend here. Like, with Drew. No. Like, it forces us to, like, we're not forced to do anything. But my point is, is that we're so busy, and this is one of the things that I want you to know. Walking away from this is like, we gotta. We gotta do better. Like, you and I with staying in touch.

[Brent Tucker]

I agree with that. Like, yeah, we said that on the weekly.

[Kyle Morgan]

Yeah. Weekly check in, man. Let's do it. Let's challenge, you know, for a month. Let's just see if we can do it. And. Because it's been. It's been seven, eight months, and there's a lot of life that's happened in between, and you're not alone. I know. You know. I know you know you're not alone.

[Brent Tucker]

Right?

[Kyle Morgan]

And I know. I know I'm not alone. But we weren't meant to do this walk physically, like, without other human beings. Brothers in Christ and brothers that.

[Brent Tucker]

Right.

[Kyle Morgan]

That we have a lot of shared common experiences. That. That's not just putting us in a room together. We don't have to do this. Like, I care about you. I care about what y' all are doing, Drew. And you and I admire that. And. Yeah. So let's just set a challenge, and we'll help. They'll. They'll help us hold. Hold each other accountable.

[Brent Tucker]

And that's. And that's true in friendship. That's true in fitness. Yeah, that's. That's true. And. And business.

[Kyle Morgan]

That's what helped me stop cussing because I. I did a challenge and. And very publicly, like, one. One burpee per cuss word. And, yeah, I did a lot of

[Brent Tucker]

burpees in the beginning.

[Kyle Morgan]

Dude, but you could literally be, like, mid conversation and drop down and knock. One. One.

[Brent Tucker]

Okay.

[Kyle Morgan]

Per cuss word. And then pick back up. It wasn't like, oh, I'll be right back. It was like. It was actually like an icebreaker too. And but one of the things I noticed, it was just with a challenge, like, you would see that. So now when guys come to the courses, they already either know it or they. They. They maybe haven't been paying attention. And then they see me, and then maybe they've only ever seen me from Sean Ryan show, and they're like, what's changed? Like, he's. He doesn't cuss where. I cussed every other minute, and. Because that's just the way I talked, you know, that's the way I'm wired This is how we talk.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Kyle Morgan]

And it's not me like on this ivory tower. It's just, it totally, it totally changed the way that I interact with myself and with everybody else here at the Tier One Podcast.

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[Kyle Morgan]

Yeah, I remember when talking about that

[Brent Tucker]

even the way you talk should be, you should be tier one in the way you talk and just cussing. It's just, it's just not professional. There's, there really is no need for it. I don't, I don't think a good man and I'm not, I don't, like, I don't get in my ivory tower. If some guys cuss occasionally, let one slip, that's not a big deal. But if it's, if it's just a part of your vocabulary, constantly have a little bit of problem with that. And maybe it's just because I'm old school. Even, even if you do that around the guys, I get it to some degree. It's not that big of a deal to me. I don't like it when guys cuss around women. Yeah, I don't, I don't think, you know, that's some, some old school stuff you, you'd never get a get away with. But hey, there's, there's, there's a lady present.

[Kyle Morgan]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

And I think that's just part of being a protector as well.

[Kyle Morgan]

The irony of that though is because I agree there's two parts to this. One is like the first time I was told like, hey, we don't do that. Here is an otc. I'm coming in the Room, like, get on. And they're like, hey, hey, Morgan, we don't do that here. I'm like, what do you mean? I thought I did okay. And no, the cussing thing. And I was like, oh, you know, that makes sense. And it started to make more sense. So, like, I would teach this. I teach this way. When people come into our courses and they're. When we're dealing with any role player interactions or even when they're given verbiage to paper targets. Like, to practice verbiage, I might practice the words with brevity and with clarity and authority and. And tone. Right. You can increase the tone based on the desired level of feedback that you want. You give the input. But the. You know, the. But then I'd go home and cuss in front of my children and in front of Erica. And the thing that I'm really grateful for is that for whatever reason, they never cuss around me. Now I've changed. Like, God is transforming my mind, and I had to set this intention. And it's for me, it's not for anybody else. It's to be respectful to others, of course. But it's really how I interact with myself and others. I don't get as angry, which is huge. But, like, I don't know what it was. They just wouldn't cuss. And. And now they know I don't cuss, and they still don't cuss in front of me. Yeah. And it's. They're grown, right? Like, three of them are, you know, 19 and 19 to 25. Right?

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Kyle Morgan]

And it's. It's pretty wild, man, how it changes. And people are just respectful to the fact that, like, I don't cuss anymore, and I don't walk around like, oh, you can't cuss in front of me. Just. People don't really do it. Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

It's a small thing, but even doing that is just a. Is just a small way for people to go, oh, he's different.

[Kyle Morgan]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

And in a good way.

[Kyle Morgan]

That's a byproduct of it.

[Brent Tucker]

It's a byproduct.

[Kyle Morgan]

It is. It's not. If you. If you set your heart to. I want people to see me, that I'm different now.

[Brent Tucker]

Like, it'll never work.

[Kyle Morgan]

That goes back to something I want to share that I posted today about just checking in reminders for ourselves, because every one of these things that I'm about to say, it's. It's something that we have to think about because it's really easy for us to justify things within our own, our own reasoning, our own self, our own truths, our own way of life. Even so, can I share that?

[Brent Tucker]

Sure, sure.

[Kyle Morgan]

I like the way this is going. So there's several of these paragraphs but and I'm not this isn't if it invokes a conversation like that's great. But my point is just a reminder to speak it out loud to think about each one of these. So a focus on material things can be Mass can masquerade as good stewardship of your possessions. Loving personal control can masquerade as using God given leadership gifts. Anger can masquerade as having a heart for what is right. Self righteous legalism can masquerade as loving God's law. Building your own ministry empire can masquerade as a commitment to the expansion of God's kingdom. Fear of man can masquerade as a sensitive heart toward the needs of others. That's a big one. That's a big one. Selfish attention seeking can masquerade as being candid about your needs. Going back to the tattoos, going back to judgment and criticism can masquerade as a commitment to honesty.

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[Kyle Morgan]

Tennessee 2012 no theological pride can masquerade as a commitment to God's truth. A craving to be known and respected can masquerade as a commitment to ministry. That's a big one too man. Because I say this quite often now like blue bearing is a ministry. Because I want to say that with confidence because it's like this God given mission to using the unique gifts and talents of teaching, shooting, moving, communicating, medicating to witness to others through our example. But it could also very easily be like, I'm greater than because of this ministry calling.

[Brent Tucker]

Right.

[Kyle Morgan]

I'm right there with everybody else. And that's why I think I can call it a ministry, because I'll do it with you. And I'm not going to tell you to do something I won't do with you. And I won't. I'll say what I mean, and I'll mean what I say, and I'll. And my actions will match. There will be no. There'll be no longer like masks that I used to wear in. In this duality. If you.

[Brent Tucker]

If you line up all those. Those sayings that you just said, one on top of another, this can masquerade as that. The difference between the left column and the right column on every single one of those is intent.

[Kyle Morgan]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

And it's intent. That's the difference between the left and the right column. And some people are better than others at faking it. And it can be hard to tell at some point, but time will always tell what your intent is. It will come through. It will come. You can only fake it. For authenticity is one of the hardest things to fake for a very long time because your true colors will come through.

[Kyle Morgan]

That's where the leaves are really loud. Like, they'll grow really quick and then fall off. But the fruit is where we'll be measured. But then even more so Scripture tells us about the pruning, like God pruning us. And that can be painful, that can be uncomfortable. And it's a trust thing. That's where faith is. We have to rest on faith is as things are being pruned so we can grow to accomplish the mission that he has for us. And. But the intention is. It's the heart posture. It's so important that we check in on these things because especially with my passion being a part of my mission, my purpose to teach, and that's super blinding. And I have to check in to see am I actually on solid footing and do I have a purpose for the things that I'm doing. But the intent piece, like you said, man is so important to check in with man because there's this transformation period. Scripture tells us the renewal of your mind. And the transformation happens when and how. The renewal is how I view the world now. It's that optic that I'm looking at. Not just the current, the future, but the past. I look at my past with that same lens now. And what I see is joy. I see God's hand all over my life. And people can talk about this or that, but it's all throughout my life where all I saw was pain, misery. And that's where endurance without hope. So scripture tells us to use the trials, the tribulations, the strengthening, to endure. But to endure what? To get to hope. Because if. If you're just in enduring, that's misery. So it has to be connected to some sort of hope. And I look back at all the remorse too, and I'm just like, yeah, man, that's. It doesn't erase any of it. It's just being made new is a real thing. And. And how we. How we as we're being transformed, how do we be. How do we become transformed? Like, I don't have the answer other than scripture, like God's word and with each other.

[Brent Tucker]

The Holy Spirit.

[Kyle Morgan]

Yes, invite. Yes, inviting man. That's something more recently that I've just been really has been on my heart is. People talk about freedom and I talk about freedom. What is that? Right? We can talk about the freedoms of this country that we fight for and have fought for. We can. We can quantify those. You can, like, can we justify why we did this war, that war, any war. But the. As a soldier, like we were called to serve this country, to protect these freedoms. Now, whether our commanders put us in a place that wasn't justly so, it's not for us. Right. But that's where true freedom to me is the space that if you can invite the Holy Spirit into between instinct and action and watch that space increase. And inside of that freedom is what I call peace from instinct to action. And that's transforming my life, my mind, because I instinctually want to punch this person in the face. But I don't. Instead, it's a real feeling. Anger is a real thing, but I don't let it take hold of me. I don't get as angry like I talked about with not cussing anymore, but it does happen. And I get frustrated. I get frustrated with my wife, she gets frustrated with me. But instead of just reacting, I invite the Holy Spirit. And sometimes it's just literal space. Like I just. I have to walk away. And it always is connected to the breath. Connect back to my breath. That creates more space. And then I go to prayer. And in that prayer, I ask the Holy Spirit to come into this space and to give me the clarity, to give me the words or no words.

[Brent Tucker]

Well, we throw that word around a lot. But There is no true freedom. Truth. Well, there actually is. True freedom is anarchy. That's what true freedom is. Yeah, we, we're a free country. You can't go do anything you want.

[Kyle Morgan]

No, we're a country of law.

[Brent Tucker]

We're still a country of laws. So. And that's, that's true. Whether it be, you know, our country or spiritually.

[Kyle Morgan]

Well, that goes.

[Brent Tucker]

Never have, never have true freedom.

[Kyle Morgan]

That goes back to morality though, where of course the law, legal, ethical, moral. Where does the moral law come from? Like, this is something that, like I didn't really understand, but it's inside of all of us. And maybe I still don't understand it because the question of society, think Babylon, or think even our current society, like society actually has a massive impact on, on what is right and what is wrong to us. But instinctually in some of, in all of us, like there is a right and wrong and who gives us that.

[Brent Tucker]

And that's always, that's always the argument. That's why it's such a. And important not to make it political. But they've made it political. Yeah, that this count. This country was founded on Christian values and that's why we are a moral country. But there are certain side of politics that are pushing against that. And not just politics, but certain people as well that want to remove the Christian values from this country. And then they. But the problem is once you remove the Christian values from this country, now what's right, what's moral becomes, becomes completely subjective. And who are you to say what's, what's moral? Now we're just making it up based off feelings. And as we go, you don't know how that goes.

[Kyle Morgan]

And we know how things drive our lives.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah, we know how that goes.

[Kyle Morgan]

Well, that's why Paul tells us to take every thought captive, because I describe this as this like thought feeling, action loop. When that loop is broken, that's called emotional dysregulation or deregulation, whatever the word is. But my point is, is that it's super unpredictable in your own, in your own being. Like, it's, it's unsafe, it's volatile. Could be, it could be very passive, depending on how it shows up for you. But for me, like, I had to be. I had to start my way from actions, for one. I had to connect the loop right from stop being so broken. And a lot of that was just trauma response rationalization of an unhealthy association with fear, with life, with death, with care. Right. And I think that's where it's so important that we have an emotional regulation and then a maturity to be able to truly surrender our lives. But because otherwise the next day you're like, oh, I turned my life over to Christ, I'm following him. And the next day you're, I'm sad. Oh, I'm still, I still get upset, I still get sad, still get angry. But my life is filled with more happiness and joy than any of those other things because other. Those are very. Where is this coming from? Oh, it's a feeling I'm having right now. Okay, what was the thoughts that caused the feeling? So connecting that loop from actions to feelings to thoughts. I had to work the other way because I was just out of my mind. Like the last year, year and a half, I've been thinking about this a lot because I have been talking about this a lot more this year on the Mulligan Brothers, which the documentary comes out tomorrow. Mike Ritlin, Mic Drop I talked about it at great length and then even with Andy Stump on his podcast more recently. Just that last year and a half of my military career, man, I was, I was lost, man, and to the, to the point of like extremely dangerous to myself and others. But I would, I would not want to intentionally cause people harm. So I would do it in the darkness that I'd say is like, oh, and I'd have this like physical armor on. Not I didn't have body armor on, but like I was a jobless operator walking around trying to find my way. And you know, opioids were a thing prescribed for a year plus during COVID with my neck being fused and it was just coming off of those was just like one of the hardest things I've ever done. But it ended up bringing alcohol back into my life, that was no longer enough, nor was it ever right. But that, that led to illicit drugs for a little bit of time. When I lied about a DUI by omission and, and went to Austin, Texas for internships to save my excuse me, literally that happened. I got my retirement orders, got a dui, didn't tell anybody, left the next week for Austin, Texas for six months. And that's when I found myself. People call me a big cokehead or whatever, man. It was a very short lived experience. But the bottom line is I would put anything into my body to escape. And I also was, would go to places that weren't. They didn't have to really deal with people, went to strip clubs and not that the women aren't people there, but I can just interact with Them and no one else bothers you. And it was a very, it was a very dark time for me. And that's where I was exposed to cocaine that almost killed me. And. But this is what I wanted to share because you can hear me talk about all these things on some of those more recent podcasts and it, because it's not that I didn't want to talk about them in on Sean's show, but I was, I was healing out loud, man. I was like, literally, you saw the, yeah, the crazy eyes and everything everybody talks about, but like I was very clearly still wanting the things my sobriety to be real. I wanted the, my marriage to be possible. I wanted the, this renewed sense of mission to be successful with Blue Bearing, but very much healing out loud. So there's only so much you can cover and not even that. You get this through growth, through the spiritual conditioning and growth. You start to look at things a new way. And I look back at that era that I'm talking about and you know, coming back from a, an overdose which was, I thought was cocaine that was laced with fentanyl almost killed me, but it still wasn't enough. I've been sober since then. But the thing is, is had everything not happened exactly the way that it, that God intended, I wouldn't be sitting here right now because, right, they circled the wagons back up. We're going to get you the help you need, Kyle. For the third time now, all while I'm still looming this DUI that I didn't, I didn't talk about. And I, this, it popped in a, A security clearance, whatever inquiry or not inquiry, but a, just a random whatever. And when presented with it over the phone with my direct supervisor, you know, he. Security just came up and said that there's a DUI back in July. And there was a moment where I could have been like, yeah, but I, in that moment I just froze, man. I was like self preservation, right? And the next thing out of his mouth was, are they talking about the one that you got two years ago? Very clearly, very openly, very, you know, no hiding from that. And I was like, oh, they must be. And straight up lied. No longer by omission, but directly to that person, a person I deeply respect. And you know, I went over to his house that night and told him, okay, man, I lied to you. And I got a DUI before I went to do those internships and I, and I didn't tell anybody. And you know, coming back from that overdose, like the unit knew and they still wanted Me to get the help. They were going to, like, we're going to let you, we're going to let you retire. They could have court martialed me three times, like, absolutely the last time. And what did they do? Circle the wagons? We're going to let you retire. We're going to get you into these programs here. Instead of going outside of the military system, we're going to get you into these programs here. And that set me on this path of recovery. And to be no longer a slave to alcohol or substances. Like, I've been sober for over four and a half years is paramount. Like, everything I have in my life is contingent on for me truly being sober minded. But I've reflected on this. Like, had I just gotten away with that because my, my lawyer was just continuing my dui, like until post retirement. Like, I didn't get that thing, didn't get adjudicated until two years ago. Really? Yeah. I went to court and they, I was found not guilty of the dui, which this isn't. Like, look at me, I didn't go, no, man, that is, that is how God works in my life, in our lives. And man, you want to talk about how it had to be the right judge, it had to be the right attorneys, the DAs, like everybody has been, they saw what I've been doing and how I'm doing it and why I'm doing it, and they found me not guilty. Not because they, they worked the system. It was just our system of our country of laws, you know, coming together. And it was an honor. It was, it was a very humbling moment. But all to say that had that not happened the way it happened, they would have let me retire from the unit and I would, there would be no question of this PNG list and all this other stuff. Like, sure, there would. As soon as you mentioned Delta Force, like you're, you're suspect to be on the list, but. Which is a whole nother conversation, but which I'm happy to discuss. But my point is, is that I would have just gotten away with something and that that massive character defect that had to be exposed wouldn't have been exposed. And that's why I say, like, I went back to doing the things, acting the way I acted, eventually alienating everything I care about. So I have a lot of remorse. But even after that, what they did was administratively move me to USASAK so I couldn't retire directly from the unit, but they didn't change my retirement orders.

[Brent Tucker]

Okay.

[Kyle Morgan]

So I still, it still says the same things. That your says. It says all the things I just. The last two months before terminal leave, I had to do it from you.

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[Brent Tucker]

You mentioned to me about this earlier. I said something like, well, that's. That's a. That's a secondary effect.

[Kyle Morgan]

Byproduct. Yeah, it's a byproduct of how people see you.

[Brent Tucker]

I love what you just said for the reasons why you said it, because you're just being open and honest. It's easier to be open and honest when you're not the same man. It's. If, if you're continuing down that road, you want to continue to suppress and hide that usually. But as a forgiven man, it's just. It's easier to. To accept things and as a man, though, and to be a light to others and be like, hey, look, I'm. I'm a. I'm a fallible man as well. But that doesn't mean you have to stay that way. But a byproduct of that is going to be when you say everything you just said, you don't have to live a life worried by hiding all those things and go, man, I train cops. I hope no one ever finds out that I did drugs.

[Kyle Morgan]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

I hope I never get exposed for this. I hope I never. What's crazy about. About that is if you just hit them head on and change, then there's nothing to hide from.

[Kyle Morgan]

Goes back to intent.

[Brent Tucker]

And it goes back to intent.

[Kyle Morgan]

Yeah, right. Because like, and. And man. First Corinthians 13:11. Drew, can you read that real quick?

[Drew Tucker]

All right, First Corinthians 13, 11. When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I set aside childish ways.

[Kyle Morgan]

It took me 37 years to become a man. That's okay, though. It's okay. It doesn't erase all of the, all of the experiences that God placed me in and Right. And all the things that I'm proud to have done and to serve with the guys, the teams, the missions, all those things. Man, like, it doesn't race any of those things. However, now that I am a man, like, I have to remind myself when I'm acting a little bit childish, when I'm thinking a little bit childishly. Now, this doesn't. This is where people get this twisted. Like, I have a reverence, a childish, like, love and admiration for our Heavenly Father that can be replaced by nothing else. And that's. I have to constantly. And that's where God blessed me with three daughters to soften my heart, even when I was trying to harden it and the world was. And the environments, like, they kept it softer. But now I have a love for my brothers and I have a love for my wife and my children that can't be replaced by anything. But that way I think and communicate and interact with, with our Heavenly Father is beautiful, man. Because I gave up on my father, you know, and this is something more recently that I've also, you know, because you heal and you grow as you heal, if you're being honest with it, like, that's what healing is like. I thought I would never forgive him, but God gave me that opportunity to walk into that ICU last, actually a year ago, almost to the day. My father was on life support and not a person in sight. And I only found this out by the grace of God that he was in the ICU and that I could make it out to be there with him in the final moments. But I had to make some very adult decisions, like to let him continue to suffer or take him off life support. But before I did that, I got to share these moments with my father. That was just. It was, man, such a blessing I'm so grateful for, because I walked in that room and all the resentment, all the hate that I had was gone. And I was like, man, that's my dad. And I missed him. And I got to tell him I love him. I got to tell him I'm sorry for not being there as much as I should have or could have, potentially. I got to forgive him for the things directly and indirectly that he may have done. But ultimately I got to pray with him and ask the Holy Spirit to take his. You know, to take him to heaven. And I know he knew Christ, but I. I know he was lost as we all are, but we have to stay on this path with a bearing, you know?

[Drew Tucker]

Right.

[Kyle Morgan]

It's a narrow road.

[Brent Tucker]

It seems so simple. You can. You can get off the path pretty easy. And it's always easy to say you can get right back on the path just as easy as you got off of it.

[Kyle Morgan]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

I'm not saying it will be. I'm saying it can be. It won't be easy because of us, but it can be.

[Kyle Morgan]

And if you think about this path, I don't know if I said this already, but if. If you don't know where you're going, any road will take you there. That's all. That's how I. That's how I lived a majority of my life.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Kyle Morgan]

I'll say this again on Monday.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Kyle Morgan]

Like, I open with that speaking engagement, even though I'm talking about active shooter response. I talk about the Radisson to connect to what I'm doing with blue bearing. But yeah, it ultimately. How do we find courage? We have to. Where is our identity lie? You know, so we have to talk about identity. And I use myself as an example when I'm. When I do this speaking thing to connect to the training. But this, this path that we're on, because if we're, if we're moving forward, it may seem like progress and it may even appear like success, but without that azimuth, you know, that's where, you know, staying in the light being the biggest part of this. And then you'll find that bearing. And then how do you stay on it? Through prayer, through supplication, through counsel left and right. But even when you do veer off the path and you'll get. You'll understand this. The dead reckoning versus train associating, which one is faster? Terrain association, terrain associating, that knowing when to do which one based on the terrain. Right. But also which one can be easier to get lost on Terrain associate, because you're typically moving faster.

[Brent Tucker]

You're.

[Kyle Morgan]

You've only done one bar one asthma check, like from great distances, and then you're just moving out. Using the terrain to help associate where you are correct and time and distance and all those things. But.

[Brent Tucker]

And everything you just talked about is what got me a second trip to West Virginia.

[Kyle Morgan]

I also got a second trip to West Virginia. I talked about that in greater length too, because I think I mentioned that on the Sean Ryan show, but I

[Brent Tucker]

talked about, like, train association only failed me once, but that's all it needed to fail before I made it all the way.

[Kyle Morgan]

I made it all the way to the end. End.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Kyle Morgan]

And got told, go get some more experience and come on back two selection.

[Brent Tucker]

I didn't want back the resurrection, just the relook. Okay. All right.

[Kyle Morgan]

Yeah. So. But everything that they saw in me, I couldn't See, in myself, even though I knew, like, I went straight into the bubble, I was like, nah. And my point is, is, like, that's the trip that. That I met Ryan Henderson, which I'd love to talk about more, but when I went back to my team to go get more experience like that, that's something that. Had that not happened exactly the way then I wouldn't have been there to. To help.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Kyle Morgan]

To help save Ryan's life.

[Brent Tucker]

Let's. Let's talk about that for a second. We just.

[Kyle Morgan]

Let me. Let me finish one. Oh, yeah, the rut thing. Because you mentioned the rut.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Kyle Morgan]

And, you know, going through the recovery stuff, like, people talk about rock bottom. I've even heard this said to me, like, he's just got to hit. Or to Erica, like, he's just got to hit rock bottom and he'll come back around. I don't know if it was the digging of the hole or jumping in or the climb out. I don't know what I liked more, but I was like, I'm done digging holes, man. But the thing is, is, like, the holes, they. The holes have to change into this. This rut on. Along the sides of the path. It's paralleling the path. So when we slip into that rut, moving on this bearing, which not. Not if, but when, how do we come out of that? You know, that's where we invite the Holy Spirit in, into that space of forgetting why you veered the distractions. Taking your eyes off of Jesus. Right as Peter sunk in the water, all he said, save me. And then his hand, and then the lesson. So we have someone to lean on. That's why I say we're never alone. And there may be some people that are listening to this that are just like, man, I'm tired. All that God talk. Well, move on. But this is something that, like, anchoring our identity in something greater than ourselves is. Is. Is paramount, man. And. But we're. We're not on this path alone. And that's where I. I think it's important that we. We challenge each other with. With staying more connected.

[Brent Tucker]

You just. Because it's something that someone else told me and you just brought up Peter. I'm not saying this is what you meant by that, but, you know, Peter gets a lot of flack for being out there on the water with Jesus and taking his eyes off of him and. And then needing to be saved. Peter also, though, got out of the boat. Yeah. And everyone else stared trembling and stepped onto the water. We. Let's give him credit for that too.

[Kyle Morgan]

He said call. If it's you.

[Drew Tucker]

Call me.

[Kyle Morgan]

Call me to you. I'm coming like that. That Peter is a wonderful example of being a hardened human.

[Brent Tucker]

That story. He only takes heat for. For that part of it, but he never gets credit for actually stepping out on the water.

[Kyle Morgan]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

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[Kyle Morgan]

But he was probably go out before mine, I imagine. Unless y'. All.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Kyle Morgan]

Who knows? I was in charge here.

[Brent Tucker]

I release things when I want to release things, how I want to release things. It's one of the few joys that. That I am in control of that sponsors don't. Don't dictate to me.

[Kyle Morgan]

Same with deleting them too. But.

[Brent Tucker]

And he's doing.

[Kyle Morgan]

Sorry, that was the last time I'll say that.

[Brent Tucker]

He was. And he's doing great work over in Ukraine right now. D. Mining. He's trying to go other places saving lives. Yeah. Such a. Such a cool story. But he was a teammate of. Of yours in seventh group.

[Kyle Morgan]

America's dive team.

[Brent Tucker]

America's dive team. You can't just call yourself that. I didn't.

[Kyle Morgan]

I fell in on that.

[Brent Tucker]

Okay. All right. All right.

[Kyle Morgan]

I think it's official somewhere. I don't know.

[Brent Tucker]

All right. But. But you're continuing to say it. So you're. You're still part of the.

[Kyle Morgan]

I just had Ben Harrow on my podcast. And. And not to derail the story, but Ben was our. Our ODA commander.

[Brent Tucker]

Was he?

[Kyle Morgan]

And he lost both his legs above the Knee that next trip after that. So that oda, wonderful human man, oh

[Brent Tucker]

man, that ODA had, had some, had some, had some bad times because that

[Kyle Morgan]

our company did, our company got hit pretty hard in 2010.

[Brent Tucker]

I'm not sure not to, I'm a derail my own story, but here we go. But I, I, I don't, I don't think SF get me wrong individual stories. Yeah. And on podcasts get, get a lot of attention. I don't think the regiment as a whole gets enough credit for the absolute, for the human toll the Green Berets took in Afghanistan. There were rotations that 30% of, of companies didn't. I'm not saying they all died, but they all come back in one piece. I'm talking about 30% of companies having a casualty rate that is, it was a, it. We're not, this wasn't Vietnam. This was a fairly low intense conflict. But it wasn't for ODAs. ODAs were out there, especially in the south and the east, just getting it on knowing that if you're a 10 man team, three of you are leaving early, either on a flight for life or in a body bag. Yeah, that's, I don't think most people

[Kyle Morgan]

know that in every rotation I did with Special Forces was no less than eight, eight to ten months each one. So it's not like they're all long. There's like these phases of the deployment, you know, that you go through. But that one, I agree with you 100% and I think that's why a lot of the Special Forces guys that have either still in or gotten out either want to speak more publicly about it or they don't. They don't want. Because their experiences are so unique in the sense that every oda, even in the same company, is covering such large amounts of terrain with their mission, whatever the mission is.

[Brent Tucker]

Right.

[Kyle Morgan]

Like each one of those is so, is so unique. And then we start to tell ourselves like no one, no one's ever going to understand. You know, just the, the, I mean this is something I was thinking about when I was talking with Mike Ritland because he asked me some pretty pointy questions about like, made me think about certain trips and like things that had happened. And one of them, man, was just like we, we would put soda cans empty with rocks in them in the casino, wire around the mud walls in the middle of the night in case a little bit of early warning from what though? The Taliban sneaking in and cutting our throats. Like that's not possible. Yeah, that's Exactly.

[Brent Tucker]

Why?

[Kyle Morgan]

Because guess what, there's five of us out here. Some freaking op opium den friggin warlords covering this point, that point. Can't trust them as far as you can throw them with your left hand. And, and there's one of us, like that's just, just to preserve the force because we're spread across the river.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Kyle Morgan]

And it's like one of us is up at all times. I mean it's laying your head down every night. Thinking about that is like we had a. We had a normal.

[Brent Tucker]

It just made me. I don't think I've told this story. I'm sure the same ways you hear a story, like I haven't thought of that in forever. I don't know how I forget certain things. We had a nasty base attack and the only thing that saved us was our partner force is the gate guards and the security at night, which if you really think about it, that's probably not the best idea. They're not, they're not that reliable. They're no replacement for Americans. But that night they were. And they were awake and they saw movies or locals. Yeah, they were a hired guard force and they were awake like they should have been. And they saw movement and so they randomly, as they do, they randomly fired at moving. There was some yelling and then they randomly fired and that's what woke us up. And it was seven of them on the initial wave. And they had ladders, they had bolt cutters, they had rugs so they could

[Kyle Morgan]

get over the wire.

[Brent Tucker]

They get over the wire and they all had suicide vests on. If, if they had gotten there or the partner force wouldn't have done their job or whatever. They would have made their way into our compound. They would have ran into the first building and blown themselves up. They'd have put a hurting on us. Yeah, they really would have. By the grace of God, those guys were up. And instead of it being an absolute bad day for us, you know, we. We woke up and took care of about 12, 12 guys and probably about seven minutes because we, because we own the night.

[Kyle Morgan]

Got it on.

[Brent Tucker]

We got it on. It was actually pretty easy after that. But they had RPGs that they had. They were just getting ready to fire at our, at our guard towers. In fact, it was. That might have been my first sniper kill was. You got a sniper kill was tell stories on. You're the guest. But it's just. Remind me. It's a conversational podcast.

[Kyle Morgan]

This is.

[Brent Tucker]

You want to talk about.

[Kyle Morgan]

I'm interviewing.

[Brent Tucker]

You want to Talk about luck or one of those things. Another guest, you say, is it odd or is it God? So I had just got done the night prior re zeroing my, my, my nada. My night optic on my long gun. And so when I woke up at like 3 or 4 in the morning and heard this ruckus, I turned over, grabbed my gun. It was already set up for. For night time. Yeah, because usually I don't keep my, I don't keep my night vision on my sniper weapon, you know, then I would have to find it, I would have to mount it on. Yeah, I was out shooting at people in 45 seconds, you know, and it'll take me minutes otherwise. But yeah, I saved a guard tower because our RPG guy decided, hey, let me take care of this guy. But I think the most ironic thing about, I call it my first sniper kill. It was probably a 75 to 100 meter shot. Could, could have hit it with a LA5 and nods. You know, his head was so big in my scope. Yeah, you couldn't miss it. But it was with a sniper weapon. So I, I do consider it a. I don't.

[Kyle Morgan]

You said some. One of the guests said it's. Is it odd or is it God? Yeah, it's kind of like the coincidences. I don't believe in them. It's like the, the guy. I call them God incidences and people. People can take this out of context or take it whatever they will the way they want because we're talking about killing right now. But it goes back to in defense of others and as a warrior, as a soldier, you know, what we were called to do and what we were legally also required to do or be capable of.

[Brent Tucker]

We're legally allowed to do it. We're morally, we were required to do it for our teammates and everyone around us.

[Kyle Morgan]

And that's what I keep coming back to is like regardless of the moral or excuse me, the legal authority, like the reason that I'm able to, to sleep better at night is knowing that because I let this kind of consume me for a while about, you know, killing intimately to take other human beings lives and you know, the fact that no one I've ever killed was they were either trying to kill me or I was told to and that that was helpful. Now I was complicit in other things that happened that I'm not, I wasn't proud of, you know, like, oh, that dude, he looked like a threat. And now there's also grace for this too, because perspective man, like I come in the Same room. You got a different perspective than I do. Unless somehow we're together like we shouldn't be. I go one way or the other.

[Brent Tucker]

Right.

[Kyle Morgan]

And we have a different perspective of the room. So I think my initial reaction was a bit when that happened was like, like at least put him out of his misery or help him. Yeah, one or the other.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Kyle Morgan]

So. And I'm not saying that we were doing illegal, immoral things. I'm just saying, like, there's the, the, the combat is a real, A real crazy environment at times. You don't control the enemy. And perspective is, Is huge as we navigate the battlefield at war. And we're at war against, you know, the. Not just the things of the flesh, like the spiritual realm every day. And that's where, like, we're talking about the whole armor of God in our fellowship. I actually moved our fellowship so I could do the live tonight to tomorrow night. But we're, we're going to talk about the helmet of. Helmet of salvation tonight.

[Brent Tucker]

I think what some things you may be referring to, and if you're not, then let's talk about this. Combat's just not always black and white. It's just, it's not always a guy with an AK pointed at you. So it's that, that's easy. That's an easy one. What, what happens when you go into a room and there's an AK in the room and he's next to it? Well, we're in Afghanistan. He can have an AK in his house. And that, that doesn't make, you know, he's not illegal for having an ak, but now you have a, you know, you have decisions to make, and it's just not black and white, and you have to live with those decisions. There's a. I can think of a lot of gray areas that either I chose to shoot or chose not to shoot. And, you know, each one of those, I don't, they don't consume me by, by any means, but I. After, after the mission, you think about it for a little bit and you move on when you're busy, and then on other down times, sporadically, you think about it. Things pop in your head and they consume me, but they're things I think about every now and again. And, and, and we don't, we don't get the benefit of, of knowing whether we made the right call or not. They're just, they're just calls you make and you have to live with.

[Kyle Morgan]

Yeah, no, it's, it's, it's not, it isn't black and white and, and that's where like my heart for teaching law enforcement like they got to deal with people every day and at any point it turns into a potential use of lethal force but without understanding how that can escalate like that from you know, compliance or non compliance to lethal force. And it's, you know, that's why I think we do what we do trying to help impact as much as we can using our experience, not, not, not pretending like I was a cop, I was never a cop. I'll never tell anyone I'm teaching them how to do their job. I want to teach them things that are going to help them do their job better potentially if they're, if they deem it appropriate, you know, but translating our experience to them is huge for

[Brent Tucker]

just out of, out of sheer respect and because I didn't ask them. There's a major city SWAT team that just had a, a cop that was shot and the, the guy barricaded himself in and now the SWAT team has to come get this guy out of there. In barricaded shooter situations, if you don't know what you're doing, even if you halfway know what you're doing, that's, that's a bad one. Like it's, it is it you can, you can, you can easily get in over your head or get caught in a really bad situation. And for them to reach out to me and say, hey, this happened, here's, here's a new news article. We came out on top that day and we absolutely used methods that everyone

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[Kyle Morgan]

Every style, every home that you taught

[Brent Tucker]

us to, to come out on top and none of us were hurt and the. And there was a bad guy removed from this earth. Makes me think then that trip was absolutely worth it.

[Kyle Morgan]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

Absolutely worth it.

[Kyle Morgan]

No. And that's because I know that's, like, at the core of why you do what you do on the teaching side. Like, that's why you're doing it. It's not just to grab a mic, not just to grab FaceTime with people, it's to impact their lives and to allow. To increase their survivability. And God forbid, if they have to use lethal force, like their lethality.

[Brent Tucker]

And they're increasing their lethality increases their survivability directly. That's exactly why I do it.

[Kyle Morgan]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

It's a great way to explain it,

[Kyle Morgan]

but when you do hear those things, like, it's, It's. It's validating. It's encouraging for me to hear it too. Even from your. Your story there is encouraging because if we don't, if we lose sight of why we're doing it, then, like, the reality of it, because we're not operational anymore. Like, our fight looks different. So as we're staying adjacent to the. To this fight domestically.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Kyle Morgan]

Like, we. It's important that we. That's why I think anybody that I know that, and I'm sure it's the same for you that we train with is like, I'm there. Like, you call me, you send me a note about this. We did. We did some ops here or there. I'm happy to jump on the phone and talk through it and. Because that's one of the big things that we can help them with is like a little bit of the planning, a little bit of the task work and then the crisis response stuff and then the action after actions. Like, that's where we can really leave them better than we found them of understanding. Like, hey, let's. Let's spend a little extra time on this after actions, even training.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Kyle Morgan]

In the hopes that they. They adopt even just an element of that.

[Brent Tucker]

I. I just got off a phone call today with another, quote, large entity of a SWAT team. And I think they were. I could tell by his line of squash he was a little concerned. He didn't want me to come in and be like, all right, I'm Going to turn you into a little Delta Force. You know, he didn't say that. That's kind of how I was perceiving it. So he just let you know, I, I don't come in, I don't come in here and do that. I just tell you, hey, this is how I, this is how I did business. This is the why behind everything I did. And if you pick up one or two things or if you're, when I leave here, 10% better, 5% better than when I got here, that's, that's a win. And oddly enough, that was something I had to mature into as an instructor because at the beginning of, of my career just being real and beginning of my career and training, if I was to be real open with you about it, there was a part of me that didn't understand. It's like, hey, why would you do anything other than the way I tell you how to do things? Yeah, I'm from the Delta Force where the best of the world is eqb. I'm gonna tell you how I do things. And I, and I would expect you to go, okay, let's do everything this guy says because he's the best. And of course I never really said, never said that, but when they didn't, when they looked at the way I did things like, okay, I get why you do that, but we're gonna keep doing it this way. Why, why would you do that? Yeah, and I had to, had to adopt that, that mentality or else at some point you'd get frustrated.

[Kyle Morgan]

Why though? Like, not why you thought that way, but why? And this is where I, it's really hard, especially in the beginning, to do this by yourself teaching. Because what does cqb, it's a team sport. It's a team environment. We break things down as a team and we can neck that down and teach it into twos and solo response stuff. But, but we build based on a team based tactic and techniques and to have the right group of dudes around me that to the point that you just mentioned about that 5%, that 10% that teams that you leave teams with, like pushing the needle like you want to, you want to, you want to go around when given these opportunities or they come to you, like, we want to push the needle every day. Like, what's one tangible thing you want to take away from today? And the moment they start going, well, this, this and this, I'm like, well, hold on, let's just talk about one thing, right? Tangibly that we can take and, and Then I won't let them finish without understanding, well, how are you gonna. How are you gonna work on that? We capture all those because I have the right team of guys. Four to six of us, depending on, like, there's four of us coming down or me plus three for this, this training next week. But back in North Carolina, there's six of us. So active le guy, retired military guy, plus the full time team. So it is. What's huge is that needle. As I'm sitting here running my mouth with you is being pushed. Like, Devin's like, text me today. He's like, hey, I'm putting in the order for this on the forecast for X, Y and Z. I'm like, roger that. Like, logistically, like from a. We're a training team that trains probably no less than three times a week. And I say we. It's a collective we. I train with them as much as I can, but they're giving me the space to be able to grow this, this company, this mission, the brand. And it is such a good feeling because that needle keeps getting pushed as I'm grow. Because we talk about, like scaling a company, a training company. We're talking about training. It's really hard to scale that because it starts off with one, maybe two, and then you guys start to hate each other and it's like, oh, well, this guy sucks. That guy sucks. Well, we both suck. We're just trying to get a little better if we're being honest with ourselves. But starting this by myself and then trying to do it my way, Erica was like, I didn't sign up for this. You basically replaced Delta Force with blue bearing. No. And I was like, this is post Uvalde. I was driving around like a traveling circus show.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Kyle Morgan]

Giving it away. You're a good dude. You're a good dude. Let's go. Yeah, pay me later. It's fine. Pay me in IOUs and just learning how to value yourself and also to be patient with yourself too, but, man, this is really hard to do alone. And. And it's really hard to do when you're, you know, hey, can you come help me for this? Can you come help me for that, man? Like a business, a training company as a business is really hard to scale. And I do see a little bit more light and I'm not gonna. So hire slowly and fire quickly. That's one of the things that Andy wrote in his book, the Drown proof book.

[Brent Tucker]

Oh, yeah.

[Kyle Morgan]

There's several things I wrote down from his book, but he said it's Not a Navy SEAL book, but it's pretty.

[Brent Tucker]

It's called Drown proofing. Yeah. Or Drown proof. It's pretty.

[Kyle Morgan]

I don't know. I. I brought it up to him. I was like, well, it's funny. One of the chapters you and you talk about, you know, this isn't your typical Navy SEAL book. If you want to hear all about BUDS or who's going to carry the boats, then this isn't the book for you. And then he goes into buds, but his. His rebuttal, and this will come out on our podcast.

[Brent Tucker]

Okay. Yeah.

[Kyle Morgan]

He's quick, man.

[Brent Tucker]

He is quick.

[Kyle Morgan]

He was like, no, I'm just talking about what gets you. Like, what. How you fail or how you quit. He's given examples of. But he's connecting it to direct examples through buds.

[Brent Tucker]

Right.

[Kyle Morgan]

And I was like, okay.

[Brent Tucker]

You don't see the connection there a little bit, though. I was like, yeah. All right.

[Kyle Morgan]

Well, it's a. It's a great book. And I actually was going to bring these conversational starters. It's a deck of cards, and it would have been good for you and I to just bust two of them out because it's. There's 52 cards in it, but one's. One category is a reflection question, one's a challenge, and then one's a quote to reflect on.

[Brent Tucker]

Okay.

[Kyle Morgan]

So check those out. I'm not sponsored by Andy Stump. I just think I had a great experience with him over two days. And I knew. You don't know people. I knew you would until you spend some time with him. And he'd been over backwards. And his wife Leah did a private training session, Jiu Jitsu with my daughter Kennedy. Very cool. It was awesome, man. Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

Well, before we get too far off the. The blue bearing and scaling it up and, you know, higher, slow fire, quick.

[Kyle Morgan]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

You know, people are going to at least want to have the. The subject of, you know, of. Of Blake brought up. I mean, you guys, was he one of your first hires?

[Kyle Morgan]

He was, as you were scaling up. He was my second. Like, W2.

[Brent Tucker]

Okay.

[Kyle Morgan]

I had a green. A former Green Beret before him, and. And while he was there, too, I ended up firing him. But Blake was. I think we. We met back in. I just came back from. From doing the ibogaine and five meo. And how'd you meet him? Instagram. Oh, really? So one of our. At the time, a mutual friend that came out and did the protector mindset earlier that this is in. So I started the company, you know, on terminal leave, but really Got hot and heavy in 22, like post Javal day. Okay. So remember when I said, like, going around, like traveling circus show, like, hey, can you help me? Hey, can you help me? Like, all over the country? And it was very inconsistent, you know, based on. And just crushing myself. And Erica was just like, nah, man. So one of the things coming back from Ibogaine, I looked at her and said, hey, like, I'm sorry. I'm making this about me. I'm making this about something that I'm not intending, but it's happening. I want to. If we're gonna. I. I would love to do this mission that is Blue Bearing, but I don't want to do it without you.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Kyle Morgan]

How do we do it?

[Brent Tucker]

Right.

[Kyle Morgan]

Yeah. And I said, but if that's something that you don't want to do, then we can just. I'm just gonna stop Blue Bearing.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Kyle Morgan]

And.

[Brent Tucker]

But you have to be willing to let it go at the same time.

[Drew Tucker]

Yeah.

[Kyle Morgan]

And I was, man. That's where I view ibogaine as like a. A great interrupter. It created a space to me for me to be able to actually make some changes more permanent in my life. But you got to do something with it, man. Because if you go back to the same ways of thinking and acting, then there you go.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Kyle Morgan]

But it also isn't a one and done thing. Some people can do it once and that's. That's all they needed. That's where it's like. I don't. I won't advocate for psychedelics at large, but Ibogaine, I think is. Is special in its own right for some. And for me, it was. It was a sum total of all the modalities of treatment and never closing the door completely for help. And it was just one of the last things that I had to do outside of surrendering my life to Christ. So it did make the journey with sobriety easier. It did make a space to make changes. And one of those changes that happened was Erica was like, all right, let's do it. So the end of 22 into 2023 is when we bought that. The shoot house. Well, it was an auto body repair shop we converted into a shoot house, but it was a. Erica's a realtor too. So it was a commercial investment. And we used our own 401k and any. Any savings we had to buy it.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Kyle Morgan]

But, you know, okay, so now I have a facility in North Carolina and. But it's still at that point there was one other guy, that former Green Beret working with me and. But I was like, I need. I need some law enforcement help here. And it was always in the back of my mind. And, you know, I went back and did ibogaine the second time, and that's. You can listen to some of those other interviews I've done that came out this year. I talk about that at great length of why, but it's one of those things that, like, I don't need to do it again.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Kyle Morgan]

But there's a reason why I went back and everything that I needed to experience, I was able to experience. And ever since then is. Is when it's really been easier to. To keep this. This path that I'm on. But in doing so. I had met through Instagram this other law enforcement guy that former law enforcement that worked out on the coast of North Carolina, and I was connected to him through a mutual friend at the time that had did some training with me. One of the first protector mindsets at our facilities in North Carolina. And he's like, hey, this. This is a former cop. Maybe be a good fit. So we just started talking on Instagram about. He saw that I was shooting Sigs at the time.

[Brent Tucker]

Okay.

[Kyle Morgan]

And it was a thing, right? No, they didn't go off in the holster. But I thought you were gonna jump on the Sig thing. But the Axg Pro and then the comp.

[Brent Tucker]

That's more banter for alive. Yeah, yeah. Oh.

[Kyle Morgan]

So, yeah, he. He had. He was, I think, 82nd for a little bit, got blown up, and then had to medically separate. And then he became a Fayetteville law enforcement officer, and I think pretty quickly became a member of their ert. And I think he served for, you know, I don't know, six to eight years in law enforcement. I'm not exactly sure. But he had to medically separate from law enforcement for, I think, personal health reasons. And, you know, but he started like his own little training thing, I guess, and. But it just started with him asking me about holsters for this. For the. How I was modifying holsters for the Sigs and what I thought about them. And I came back from that second ibogaine, and he was like, hey, man, I got something that I'd like to run by you. Once again, this is still via Instagram. And I was like, yeah, sure, what's going on? And I was actually supposed to call him, I guess, on that day that we messaged, and then I didn't, and I called him the next day. And I think that's important because of the stories he's told about when that call came through was very profound. I didn't hear about this until probably six months later, but either way, the call happened. He wanted to talk to me about some training through local colleges for law enforcement as a way that maybe could help Blue Bearing. And I was like, yeah, cool. But they don't really pay much at all. And not that I'm solely doing this for pay, but in order to grow the business like it, you have to. You have to get paid.

[Brent Tucker]

Right.

[Kyle Morgan]

There's a way to do the philanthropy side and. And, you know, I think you know that very well. But my point is, is that I. I basically was like, hey, someone had to cancel a slot or reschedule for this upcoming protector mindset, like this weekend. Do you know anybody the f. You were fville. Do you know anybody in the fville, because we're right in that area that would want to do the course. And. And he's like, I don't know.

[Drew Tucker]

I don't know.

[Kyle Morgan]

I can. I can see. And I was like, what about you? You want to come do it? And he got excited about it and came out, and I saw something in him where, like, I didn't really have it in the other guy. Like, the Green Beret was really good for helping me build the shoot house, helping me, you know, build some of the logistical systems.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Kyle Morgan]

But just the experience side of close quarters battle was kind of was. Was worth investing in, but it just wasn't like something I could lean on, per se.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Kyle Morgan]

So I saw that he was very capable in the course, and I actually asked him if he could help me, you know, split the group up and run Corner Feds while I'm doing. When I broke into Center Feds, I already ran Corner Feds. I'm like, but I want to keep them going. So I run a Corner Fed lane while I'm doing Center.

[Brent Tucker]

Exactly what you're talking about.

[Kyle Morgan]

And because of progression and it's easier to teach things based on Corner Feds first, because Center Fest, people lose their minds when you say points of domination. It's like, it's still an. It's an L, man.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Kyle Morgan]

Sometimes we end up strong. Well, but that's. Yeah. Anyways, so. But at the end of the course, like, I think it gave him a bit of. A little bit of a spark inside of him. And he was about to leave, and I was like, hey, I bet you didn't know this was an interview. And he was. He. He kind of smiled and left, but he shared this very publicly so I'm not sharing anything that he hadn't already shared. You know, he was emotional the whole drive home about the fact that someone like myself had saw something in him and think he was struggling with a bit of identity. And so, you know, fast forward, I just, A couple weeks later, I'm like, hey, got another course coming up, man. If you want to come help out, I'll pay you as a contractor. And it didn't take long for me to really lean in towards him. And we were thick as thieves for a long time. And I think just like anything with. Especially as it pertains to public view and, you know, social marketing, like, it's a part of our business, but it's not our business. It's not the business. So I believe in social marketing. I do. But, you know, over time, I just think it maybe turned into something different and, and that's fine. My biggest thing with, with Blake is just understanding what he wanted to do. And, and that wasn't very clear to me, even up to the end. And, you know, I got his resignation via text, so I, I, I don't know. People want me to. Something else had to be there. He could have just wanted to do something different. And I think that's very clear now, you know, with time removed, because it's been about a year. August 8th was when that happened. But like I said, last year, around this time frame was a very. I had a lumbar surgery on my 0405 in. In June, like, June 2nd. My father passed away, and then we got t boned by a drunk driver with my wife and children. You want to talk about, like, a test for me? Yeah. I came out of that thing making sure they were okay. Right. I'm talking about, boom. And it was violent, man. And I had just gotten back surgery, so I'm wearing this brace, and I jump out of that thing and check on the kids, Erica and the kids. And I run around the other car. I'm gonna rip this person out of the car. I'll make sure they're okay.

[Brent Tucker]

Right?

[Kyle Morgan]

But then I saw that they were intoxicated, and I was just like, I was, I was just flooded with, oh, my God. That was me. It just never happened.

[Brent Tucker]

Right? Oh, wow.

[Kyle Morgan]

And I. And you want to talk about transformation? That was a good example of, of. I just felt so much compassion and justice needs to be served for sure. And I wasn't going to let that slide because the, the cops were a little bit like, well, you want to take it? You want to take It. Somebody's taken it. Somebody's going to do this DUI assessment.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Kyle Morgan]

Like, and. But I also, it really, it really was. It was a very, I guess, transformational period of my life where. And Drew can quote this, but is it Romans that says everything we use for our good and God's glory? Yeah, Romans 8:28. Romans 8, 28, man. And I just kept going back to that. I'm like, I don't know what's going on, but I viewed being able to be there in the room with my father as a blessing. Do you encounter that drunk driver as a reminder?

[Brent Tucker]

Right.

[Kyle Morgan]

And a blessing that we're not, we're not any more harmed. Erica had a bunch of like the airbag burns and stuff, but I do think it met. It jacked my neck back up. And then, because like I said when I saw you last year, November, I was still struggling to like hold my rifle because of the neck. The fusion above. The level above my fusion blew out and almost had to get that fused. So not to make this like, oh, woe is me. It's just. And then all the. And then, you know, Blake quitting and people, people, you know, I did a public statement, he did one. And I wish him nothing but the best with what he's doing. My big thing is I just want to know anybody that works for me. I just want to know what you want to do and I'm there to support it. Even if that takes you away from the company. But I just. Those things don't get better with time.

[Brent Tucker]

So I ask these questions because we've talked about this in private and we ironically have dealt with similar things. I, I understand it to some degree if this is the case, but because it's, it's. It's a, it's a big thing to, to ask, just depending to ask another man. But do you think certain things had an effect on your guys relationship? Like, you know, you go on Shawn Ryan, Sean Ryan, and now you have this notoriety. You're the Delta Force guy. Like, you are the subject matter expert and everything cqb and that's just the

[Kyle Morgan]

way it is because in our company,

[Brent Tucker]

because, because you earn 100%, you're also the, the owner and there's this little bit of. But maybe the best way to.

[Kyle Morgan]

By no means is what you're saying me saying that I'm God's gift to tactics and techniques. These are, no, these aren't original thoughts, man.

[Brent Tucker]

That's right.

[Kyle Morgan]

These are, these are things that we've been shown right in Our ability, our ability to articulate them is what. What sets us apart at the highest

[Brent Tucker]

levels that only few men have gotten to see. And we can be humble about it, as we should be. But there does get to be a point that if you push me far enough, I'll say, why do I have to be apologetic about this? We're the best in the world about this. This is just how it is. But if you want to have this amount of credibility in this space, well, then you should have done what I did, which was one of the hardest things in the world. And I did it. And so you get this almost like Batman and Robin type of syndrome.

[Kyle Morgan]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

Or a relationship, if you will. Do you think some of that played into it?

[Drew Tucker]

Evening.

[Brent Tucker]

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[Kyle Morgan]

I'll be moving in.

[Brent Tucker]

Let's get started.

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[Brent Tucker]

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[Narrator/Advertiser]

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[Brent Tucker]

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[Kyle Morgan]

yeah, man. It's one of the things that I've been very cognizant of over these four and a half years of running the company is when I do find someone that I'm like, assessing, identify, assess developers and I need help. Like, we need help. I've identified that because this is too much for one of us to try to do alone. I could lose my way and go make a ton of money traveling all over the country 340 days a year. I'm not doing it, man. But I wanted. I just need a group of dudes that are, that are. That have their own experiences that complement each other. And I am the chief instructor. And that's what I tried to build with him and what I've built. So it's one of those things where, you know, as you gain. I lessened myself quite a bit to try to build him up and anyone else, like, because I don't think that highly of myself. I think that I am a very capable man that's capable of also some extraordinarily bad things if I'm being honest with myself. So I'm not operational anymore. So in order for me to say that I am the subject matter expert in these things, what am I resting on if I'm not still Doing them. So how do you do this? You got to do it as a team. So having consistency and time and developing. I love team building. It's something that I've always just been enamored with people that were great at it, people that weren't learning from both in building teams. And the thing is with a business, like an exposure. Like, I said this more recently too, because actually Andy asked me this, like, do you think you went on Shawn Ryan show too soon? And I was like, it's a good question. It is. It's a great question. But the thing is, is, like, I was. I was deer in the headlights, man. Like, not during the headlights. I was blinders on.

[Narrator/Advertiser]

Right.

[Kyle Morgan]

Maybe at moments I was like. But my point is, is that you can clip that. That would be good. Like a Sean Ryan up to him. I'm like, no. There I was. So the whites of his eyes where I was. You gotta think Uvalde happened, man, earlier that year. And I. I was go, go, go, go, go. Going in debt. And was given this opportunity to. And actually you had Mike Glover on recently. Like, I was supposed to tell the story publicly for the first time with him about the Radisson. Okay. And this isn't something. The Radisson wasn't a mission that I was sent on. Like.

[Brent Tucker]

Right.

[Kyle Morgan]

And that's why there's been messengers along the way. Even in 2018, when I was still active in the unit of like, hey, Parkland, school shooting in Florida. Kyle, you need to go. People I admire, Kyle, you need to go teach cops active shooter response. And I was like, but I'm trying to become a team leader in Delta Force. What are you talking about? And I just. But they were planting seeds and. And you know, so when given. So Mike schedule didn't line up, he was like, really hard to get a hold of.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Kyle Morgan]

So Sean Ryan reached out and I looked at Eric and I was like, Shawn Ryan. Like, I don't. I don't know much about him, but I know he's got a pretty big platform that'll help us with this mission. When I say us, I meant me. Because remember, she was like, I didn't sign up for this.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Kyle Morgan]

But that didn't come out till later on. And there was signs along the way. But I got to go up there with her. She supported me 100 doing it. She was in it at the end. You know, she got her mic time. And all of those things that I shared weren't. Weren't lies. They weren't like partial truce. They were Just where I was at in my life at that moment. And I went into it for two reasons. Healing out loud is going to help me speak something into existence that I can't run from. So helping me with something I struggled with, which was accountability, and then knowing that that's going to potentially help one other person. So that's kind of dual pronged, but professionally Blue Bearing to help the mission at Blue bearing, of course. And, and I wanted to speak on something that I was very. What's the, the best way to put this? Like, I, I, I hadn't been able to publicly tell the story about the Radisson from my perspective. It had it been told in, you know, closed circles and stuff. But there's a lot of narratives that were starting to get written even from when I was awarded the Distinguished Service Cross. Like, God bless the Department of State folks. The two guys, Ryan and Mike and then the two MARSOC guys that we built a team on the fly based on my position's past, based on your, your buddies that I tr. I rotated in with, like, and so on. The relationships, even in an environment where our hands are tied, we're not able to do our job the way we wanted to or could have. I was told to maintain relationships so we can take every single one of us to go dismantle isis. And I was in that period of like, what am I doing? You know, so, but, but, you know, a couple years later, I was awarded this English Service Cross. And man, it was one of the most I got my, I got to bring my family in to the unit. Yeah, like, not just like, even extended family, people I care about, like, everyone that I wanted to come in was able to, Was authorized to come in and to celebrate that experience. And I, and I was just, I was so humbled by this. And the whole unit was there. I don't know if you were deployed. It was, it was this 2018 when I was awarded it. I remember, I remember it vividly. And, and they did it in the dfac, but, and you know, I asked one of the people to speak that was, that was a responder with me, and, you know, God bless him. But it seemed, it seemed like the, the story he was telling was his perspective, but it seemed like his perspective maybe had changed over time and, and not in the sense of my, my, he didn't change my actions. It just sounded a lot like because of our efforts, the Department of State, this, like, absolutely. It was a huge success from interagencies. Like, but that wasn't because of The Department of State. It wasn't because of our unit, it wasn't because of marsoc. It was because of the people.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Kyle Morgan]

Like the five of us.

[Brent Tucker]

Right.

[Kyle Morgan]

And one of the dudes, the, the one MARSOT guy that I was really close with there, I don't know if he was ever even awarded the Silver Star because he got tied up in the. The death of Logan Melgar the next, the next year after the Radisson.

[Brent Tucker]

I didn't know that. That those two were the. The same person.

[Kyle Morgan]

Same. Same dude.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Kyle Morgan]

And then he was the.

[Brent Tucker]

I know there are two. There's two MARSOC people that got rolled up.

[Kyle Morgan]

Yeah. There was like, there was a handful of dudes. It was a. And I'm. It's one of those things where it's crazy.

[Brent Tucker]

I didn't know that. And I'm, and I'm well aware of the Logar story, but I didn't know that that was a carryover from, from, from that.

[Drew Tucker]

Yeah.

[Kyle Morgan]

That it happened in the house that I lived in.

[Brent Tucker]

No way.

[Kyle Morgan]

I lived in it by myself.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Kyle Morgan]

Which team, whatever was Kyle and was whoever was before me and after me until, until we could hand it off to our Navy counterparts. And then they started to vest. Investing meant more manpower into it. But my point is, is that that place is a, is a breeding ground for, for terrorism. The trance to hell has been and always will be. But we're given limited authority to do things. We're not supported in the ways that we should. The people that are put in these positions aren't empowered to make the types of decisions that I was able to make. Right in response to the act, to the call that I got five to eight armed gunmen shooting the place up and blowing, blowing explosions heard. That's the only notification I got. So what do I do? This sucks. What am I going to do? Quit or build a team?

[Brent Tucker]

Right.

[Kyle Morgan]

And it wasn't like random. You, you like the guy I'm talking about the marsoc. I was like, hey, like you, me. Well, let's go. And then everything formed. And it's not like everything happened because of me, it was because of the actions of a few. But there was zero pause.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Kyle Morgan]

And. And that's where courage is contagious.

[Brent Tucker]

It sure is.

[Kyle Morgan]

And that moment where I was awarded the Distinguished Service Cross, I was a bit. Not just me, my family, people I work with were just like, what was that? When he's talking about, you know, the narrative of the, of the response. And it was a very kind of PR based narrative. So I Bring that up, because there was a part of me that wanted to share the story, to say it publicly. From my perspective, given it wasn't a mission. I cleared this with security before I even left the unit. And the only thing that they wanted was it not to be attributed to that. If it was said in a special forces model, then I'm good. So that's where we go back to the. You don't talk about fight Club. And I. I used my own pride to want to. And the opportunity given with Sean.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Kyle Morgan]

Was a blessing. There's no other. It changed the trajectory for blue bearing.

[Brent Tucker]

Right.

[Kyle Morgan]

And was it too soon? I wouldn't change anything, man, because that's me playing God. And I have to look back at past and going back to the full circle to the Blake thing, it's like, I wouldn't change a single thing. Like, all I have to do is change moving forward.

[Brent Tucker]

That's right.

[Kyle Morgan]

With the past, you know, from the past. That's exactly right. Plan for the future and be in the present. You know, learn from the past, plan for the future, be in the present. And, you know, so there's a lot of things that, knowing what I know now, that's why, you know, this call, I wouldn't, you know, I did see that in a time trying to bring this back to that. The time when Blake resigned. It's. I knew I needed help on a daily basis. And that's the problem with, like, if I, like, hey, Brent and I are going to do this training thing together. You live eight hours away. Like, we would crush everything that we do together, but there would be a disconnect just through geographical separation. And I wanted a. I wanted a team that I can train with three times a week or more. And when I'm doing other things to grow as the chief everything officer back then.

[Narrator/Advertiser]

Right.

[Kyle Morgan]

Like that. The. The training side is the needle's pushing. And it was becoming extremely, you know, post Sean Ryan show, when Blake went on, you know, I went up there. I did a speaking engagement to pay for the travel for him to go up there. Not that he couldn't pay for his own travel, but I, you know, I did want to support him in it, and I helped make that thing happen. And things changed, though, after that, and it was really. And I get it, because Sean Ryan show, even when I did it, he was probably a fraction of the size he is. Even last year, the. One of the best things ever happened to me is post Shawn Ryan show coming out. Where I went on. It was my Instagram Account got deleted or hacked and deleted. No. So, like, I had this huge bump. I was at like 30 plus thousand. It was, you know, doing the. The bump, and I look at my account, the next day, it says, deleted, can't be found. And it was. It was a blessing in disguise. I was like, oh, no. I lost momentum, right? You know, and. But the thing is, is, like, the people that wanted to find me have found me, right? And I think it actually removed a bit of the stress of all the extra attention, which has been huge, man, because it's a lot. The moment we get more. More followers, more subscribers, the more attention we get, the more distractions we get.

[Brent Tucker]

You did. You did. You did a lot for Blake.

[Kyle Morgan]

Not.

[Brent Tucker]

Not only, you know, bringing him on is. Was. Was something for him when Sean. Ryan sought you out, correct?

[Kyle Morgan]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

And then when. When he went on, that was.

[Kyle Morgan]

I asked Sean.

[Brent Tucker]

You asked Sean that? Like, you. You did that?

[Kyle Morgan]

I said that this guy is a former SWAT guy. He hasn't had many law enforcement guys on his show. I said, hey, I. I think he's got a wonderful story. Even how we met is very powerful. The timing of it. Like, he was, you know, once again, this is. Things he shared on Sean show. Like, he was about to take his own life when that call came through. And, you know, like, that. That's. That's pretty profound if you think about God's hand moving and. And the timing of all of it. And I didn't realize that at the time, but my point is, is that, you know, I asked Sean if that's something he'd be open to having a conversation. Now, that was Blake's job to. To make that story worth. Right, him coming on. So that's not me saying, you can't tell everything I tell him. He does not. He's a very. A very selective person and a very private person, too.

[Narrator/Advertiser]

Right.

[Kyle Morgan]

So I view him as a friend and.

[Brent Tucker]

But we also can't pretend like it wouldn't have happened if. If you didn't push for it. And that is true.

[Kyle Morgan]

And that's the same. Like Ryan Hendrickson. I was able to get Ryan and connected with him with Sean. And that's awesome. If you. If you watch his. It was powerful, man. I was sobbing watching that. Not just because of my interaction with him when he stepped on the id, but like, everything after his father, all the things like, he's such a wonderful man that's still so driven. But. But he's not alone. Like, we. We have to stay connected. And I'm not Like this puppet master, when people. I just am a good steward of my relationship with Sean. And I don't. I don't just be like, hey, so and so. Because I get hit up all the time. Like, hey, do you think so? And you could connect. No, I'm like, for what? Like, you have to explain why that's something that you think would be helpful.

[Brent Tucker]

It's not gonna send him a text message three times a week for. For random guest information.

[Kyle Morgan]

Yeah. So, you know, it's. It is something that it was on him to. To make that show happen. And. But things did change, and I knew. We all knew that we were trying to prepare for that. And, you know, I'm not saying that's his motives for. For quitting, but I will say that this is hard work. It is. And especially when you're driving in, you know, weekly or, you know, as often as I would make him right or require him to. But he was my employee. That's the biggest thing that I think people don't understand is that. And that's my own doing, too, is I wanted him to be my law enforcement training lead. And there's people that think that he did what we did. And, you know, I'm not taken away from his SWAT experience, but once again, the team that I build, like, I. I have to always be like, I don't need you to try to. Try to. And I'm not saying he told stories. I'm just saying, like, we're a collective experience.

[Drew Tucker]

Right?

[Kyle Morgan]

Like, we have to be unified in our messaging and the way that we deliver it. We find our own voice in how we deliver it. But at the end of the day, like, people are going to come to Blue Baron because of me and everyone else that they trust me to put them in front of or that I put in front of them. Excuse me. And it's a learning lesson. But even before he resigned, I already started onboarding, which is what is now my training director, Devin. And I didn't hire him as the training director. I hired him as a. As a. As a. As a former special forces guy, 18 Bravo, to help be, like, a weapons subject matter expert for us. Just because that was missing. I'm not that guy.

[Brent Tucker]

Right.

[Kyle Morgan]

Just to maintain all the student stuff and our stuff and a primary instructor for cqb. But I did it differently. I guess my point is, is that, you know, I onboarded him over. I did the whole, like, resume thing and, you know, reached out to character witnesses and all that. References. Excuse me.

[Narrator/Advertiser]

Right.

[Kyle Morgan]

And then just learn Learning over time about establishing business practices and all that. And this wasn't like I'm gonna like I'm trying to push Blake out. That wasn't it. It was just like I need someone to take ownership of the shoot house like every day and kind of hiring him for that. But he's became. And that was his job to either do or not do. But it was very clear his expectations, Devin. And you know, not that we were like drowning in cash, but I needed to take a bit of risk to be able to. Because that's the other thing is like as we get different revenue streams come in and all that, we could take all the near term victories and spread those out. Or as a company that doesn't take investors that's bootstrapped in this thing, we have to reinvest capital. And the last people to get paid is me. So I didn't get paid any more than anyone else in the company and I still don't.

[Brent Tucker]

So I'm aware.

[Kyle Morgan]

Yes, you, you do know. So but you want to pay people what they're, you know, absolutely what they people. You can't replace those. So man, I've just learned so much in a short amount of time and which you know, on board and Devin and then Blake resigning kind of coincided.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Kyle Morgan]

And so that's great.

[Brent Tucker]

By the way. I got to meet him and shoot with him when, when I went up there.

[Drew Tucker]

Yeah.

[Kyle Morgan]

What'd you call him?

[Brent Tucker]

He's, he's an impressive dude.

[Kyle Morgan]

Would you call him Big Brown?

[Brent Tucker]

Big Brown. Yeah, that's right.

[Kyle Morgan]

He is a phenomenal shooter.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Kyle Morgan]

Like he. Not that I'm the best shooter in the world. I'm not saying that by no means, but I'm. I am better at shooting than I've ever been and that's saying a lot.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Kyle Morgan]

But I'm very intentional about teaching the very basic principles of all of it. And it's, it's made me a better shooter. But him, he's the training director now and like my man crushes me in some things, but not everything.

[Brent Tucker]

And I absolutely love iron sharpens iron.

[Kyle Morgan]

I love it, dude.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah, it's.

[Kyle Morgan]

It's such a good environment because we take ourselves less serious. We take what we're doing real serious. And you fast forward a little bit after that. Rick, Rick Awning. You got to meet Rick too. Or he's the 20 year retired state, Connecticut State Police.

[Brent Tucker]

Don't believe I got to meet him.

[Kyle Morgan]

So he, he came on full time basically January 1st as our law enforcement lead and he retired 20 years of being on the state police for Connecticut. 15 of those years were on the state team. But he moved back after he retired. He moved back to Stanford, North Carolina. That's where he was raised, but lived in Connecticut for like 30 years. So. And then over these past few years, I had met him while he was still active and thought really highly of him and our mutual friend told me he was retiring and he's right down the road. So. Man, Rick is a, is a, he's an anchor in this company. Truly.

[Brent Tucker]

If people want to shoot with you and, and train with you, are you still assuming you have open enrollments and classes going on? Where, where, where do they go to get that?

[Kyle Morgan]

So go to blueberry.com and the open enrollments. If you go to the training part of the open enrollments, it's. All the open enrollments are in North Carolina. Whether it's. We have, you know, we have half the year left, but this year we were very intentional about instead of me potentially having to reduce the amount of training by half, last year is kind of where it was going. We've actually increased the offering, but doing them all in North Carolina.

[Brent Tucker]

Okay.

[Kyle Morgan]

So in trying it out this year to see how it goes, but there's still, you know, half the courses for the year. We have a couple, two more hostage rescue LE only courses that are open enrollments, which are awesome because you got dudes from teams all over the country coming together. It's like a melting pot of experience. Over three days we have our protector mindset courses, which is three days this year. Home defense course coming up in July. Pistol performance mechanics two day. Rifle Performance mechanics two day. And then our advanced rifle pistol course, which is the Divergent Rifle Pistol.

[Brent Tucker]

Okay, yeah, busy.

[Kyle Morgan]

Yeah. But it's, but it's like once a month, like, and then every other week we're training together and if I gotta go focus on this or that, like, I can do it now.

[Brent Tucker]

Are you still going out to departments and training as well? Are you trying to keep everything in house and as much as possible?

[Kyle Morgan]

This year we honored basically three of the things that were carryovers from last year department. So we just finished.

[Brent Tucker]

She honored those.

[Kyle Morgan]

Yeah, there's one more that the. It's not concrete, but it could be a week in September. But that's an old one that we're honoring from the past and just trying to really isolate like what's, what's, you know, what's sustainable to include offerings, to include frequency, keeping it local. But there are some places like that I know with A certainty for next year. Like, we'll go back to. And do open enrollments because they're always super successful, meaning the caliber of individual that shows up to. When we go to Texas to do rifle pistol courses or we go to Florida. Like, they're. It's saturated with good, good dudes that understand training and want to. Want to better themselves, that maybe can't, you know, fly or drive to North Carolina.

[Brent Tucker]

Well, you're doing me and you are doing an active shooter conference just next week. By the time this airs, it'll probably have just happened. Why. Why'd you say yes to that one? It was easy for me. It's in my backyard. It's, like 45 minutes away. But they called me and they're like, hey, you, we got Kyle coming down. Would you be interested in as well?

[Kyle Morgan]

Is that why you said yes?

[Brent Tucker]

That is why I said yes. That actually is like, I was coming. They're like, yeah, count me in. I'll. I'll do that, too.

[Kyle Morgan]

I.

[Brent Tucker]

So, Rex, as long as you pay me more than you paid Kyle.

[Kyle Morgan]

Yeah, well, as long as you let me speak and not Brent, who's the keynote speaker.

[Brent Tucker]

You got the first night.

[Kyle Morgan]

No, dude, I. They got Mike Colosso coming to. He was one of the responding officers to the Covenant School shooting in Nashville. I wish I could listen to his story, but I think it's happening during our training.

[Brent Tucker]

Okay, so,

[Kyle Morgan]

man, I think a big. A big part of me doing it was Nick. Rex, man, like the. The president. He is. He met me. I met him. He. He found me at TTPOA a couple years ago. Actually, you were there. It's when I ran into you.

[Brent Tucker]

Okay.

[Kyle Morgan]

Nick Whacker, and. Yeah, y' all had a booth there, and maybe you introduced me to him, but either way, like, he opened up that line of communication and, you know, I hadn't really had done anything with Florida SWAT association, and. But I did, you know, hear and hear, you know, good things about what they're doing. And just through our interactions over the past couple years, he said, we want to run our first active shooter conference, and we'd like you to come down. Is that possible? And this was last year, and just like with anything, if we can plan out a year in advance, man, like, let's put on a calendar and we're going to commit.

[Brent Tucker]

That's right.

[Kyle Morgan]

We're going to honor our contracts. Like, we're going to, you know, see things through. And I'm really glad he's excited. I'm excited, and it's Essentially what given the opportunity last year because our focus is active, active shooter response over these years, just continuing to refine and learn, you know, how to better deliver our curriculum. And then, you know, using Alert as a, as a. Another great opportunity I was given. Last year the team was. I spoke at Alert, the, the annual conference which there was over a thousand officers sitting in the room and. And then we did two days. Basically exactly what we're doing this week. Two one day intros to our protector mindset. It's a crash course, man, but I love it. The team's ready for it and it's gonna be some good training. We got 18 students on day one and 18 on day two. So it's, it's, it's gonna be a lot. But we want to be able to reach as many people as we can and give.

[Brent Tucker]

Exactly.

[Kyle Morgan]

And challenge people. Not just like, you know, we want to do things that are like the big thing with a day crash course is like just exposing them to what you can accomplish in a day. That's my goal. This is what you can actually accomplish in, in an eight hour block. It'll be eight hours minimum of 10. We don't do lunch.

[Brent Tucker]

We don't pack a lunch, boys.

[Kyle Morgan]

It's a working lunch.

[Brent Tucker]

We got work to do.

[Kyle Morgan]

Yeah, great.

[Brent Tucker]

Now we have to work through lunch too. On my side.

[Kyle Morgan]

You better because I think we're going to be close to each other now.

[Brent Tucker]

Are we? What time are you starting?

[Kyle Morgan]

Zero. What's time? What's stand two? We're just going to probe the wire.

[Brent Tucker]

We'll be at stand to minus 30 minutes. So no big deal.

[Kyle Morgan]

No big deal, dude. No. 7:45 check in.

[Brent Tucker]

All right. Yeah, yeah, we're starting a little bit before you, but that's no big deal.

[Kyle Morgan]

But you won't get as far as us. You're doing team, you're doing team based stuff.

[Drew Tucker]

Right?

[Kyle Morgan]

From what I understand or like convergence?

[Brent Tucker]

Like yeah, a little bit. A little bit of both.

[Kyle Morgan]

Okay. And that's what we do too. Like it's. He marketed as a solo response but going full circle. Like we don't just teach solo right away, we teach twos because what's the other known others are coming when exactly what they're wearing? I don't know.

[Brent Tucker]

But right.

[Kyle Morgan]

Deconfliction and convergence is a known so but it also helps us really understand what's more optimal doing things together. And then we layer in basically the afternoon with. With solo and then we come back and finish with convergence.

[Brent Tucker]

So and, and separated by time. Well we'll go go in the garage here and, and compare notes about that. I'm always interested in talking to you about those things. That's, that's, that's always.

[Kyle Morgan]

My fee is you can retainer, but

[Brent Tucker]

I have the same fee you do, so it'll. So it'll zero out and we'll just talk to each other in the garage.

[Kyle Morgan]

Just going in circles.

[Brent Tucker]

Last, last question I have for you. It's the same question I always have. Tell me a funny story, Kyle. Funny story that doesn't involve me.

[Kyle Morgan]

Oh man. Man. You know, this is really funny that you bring this up because I literally just said this to someone earlier. Doing our own podcast with the Black and Blue podcast. I actually think I'm kind of funny.

[Brent Tucker]

Okay.

[Kyle Morgan]

But. But when asked to tell a funny story, I'm drawing a blank. So

[Brent Tucker]

steal one. Steal one from your cover.

[Kyle Morgan]

Something to you.

[Brent Tucker]

It can't. Of course it can.

[Drew Tucker]

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[Kyle Morgan]

i'm trying to think of something through. Through OTC that was funny. There's so many funny things because we did go to OTC together.

[Brent Tucker]

We did.

[Kyle Morgan]

I don't cuss anymore. But you know who I'm talking about would say seven before the or seven after the six. The class. The class with the big.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah, yeah.

[Kyle Morgan]

That guy was such a hoot, man.

[Brent Tucker]

Oh, he was. He was the best. I'll how about this? I'll tell you a funny story from otc.

[Kyle Morgan]

Okay, good.

[Brent Tucker]

Cuz it.

[Kyle Morgan]

It's has to do with me.

[Brent Tucker]

No, that's to do with that same guy. There's a lot of jokes. There's a lot of funny stuff that revolve around.

[Kyle Morgan]

I used to call him Hammer Fist Phil.

[Brent Tucker]

Why is that?

[Kyle Morgan]

Cuz, man. I'm like, hey, he said 50%, dude.

[Brent Tucker]

Oh gosh. Yes.

[Kyle Morgan]

He like it is 50 boxing. Like, I'm like, you don't know your own strength, man. And his hands are like this big.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah, Phil. He.

[Kyle Morgan]

I love him.

[Brent Tucker]

My Phil from HPTRT is Phil with a K and a weird last. Kind of weirder last Name, and his name is also with a K. And it's a little bit of an odd last name. I've accidentally dialed the OTC Phil on several occasions and now he just picks up like, did you mean to call me Brent? Oh, no, Phil, I. I didn't. But I'll call you back here in a little bit to catch up.

[Kyle Morgan]

I actually just messaged him not too long ago because I was. We were heading out west and I was like, hey, are you still here? And he's like, nah, just because he does, you know, executive coaching and professional development and it's something I need to start to invest in myself too.

[Brent Tucker]

Oh, nice.

[Kyle Morgan]

Having him kind of assist with that. And we had a good class man. Here's like, I've been able to stay in touch with him a bit.

[Brent Tucker]

And Xavier, just text me before the. Before the show started. And one wanted to say hi to you.

[Kyle Morgan]

Oh, good. Yeah, we're definitely gonna.

[Brent Tucker]

Three of us need to do something at some point and that would be. That'd be cool. And I just realized I can't tell the same story because there's discussing in that story too. It's pivotal to the punchline. It's pivotal to the punchline too.

[Kyle Morgan]

We'll do. We're about to do burpees anyway, so.

[Brent Tucker]

Okay, maybe.

[Kyle Morgan]

I don't know.

[Brent Tucker]

We were doing off road. I don't know if it'll have the same effect. I'll still. I'll g it up. But we. I'll. I'll send it. We were doing the off road driving course and those Jeeps y at Blackwater, I think, is where we were. Where we were at.

[Kyle Morgan]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

And. And he goes, man, I used to have a. A truck like this and you could take that thing anywhere. You know, he always had a big dip in his mouth. And he goes, we just. Me and my boy, we just go out in the woods and we would

[Drew Tucker]

be

[Brent Tucker]

spit and we just started laughing and laughing and laughing because he just said, f. Yeah. And I was like, that was a bad time. So you and your boy would just go out in the woods and f. He's like, no, I didn't finish. I didn't feel. It was like, no, we think you did. We think you did.

[Kyle Morgan]

Was this one of the cadre? Was this one of the cadre there or.

[Brent Tucker]

No, this was. This is one of our guys. Joey, we'll let this out.

[Kyle Morgan]

Oh.

[Brent Tucker]

He was like, no, I didn't finish. He's like, no, we think you did. He's like, I let me finish. And we were just laughing too hard. It took for. He kept on trying to finish it. I had to go ask him later to say, hey, what. What was What We. What he tried to say was, me and my boy used to go out in the woods in this jeep and F things up, but he paused at a bad time, and, yeah, he paid the price for that.

[Kyle Morgan]

You.

[Brent Tucker]

You got to be careful where you pause.

[Kyle Morgan]

Yeah. Power the pause.

[Brent Tucker]

Power the pause. Completely change the sentence.

[Kyle Morgan]

Yeah.

[Drew Tucker]

Another great example why. Maybe not to cuss.

[Narrator/Advertiser]

Exactly.

[Brent Tucker]

That's right. You take the cut. You take the cuss word out of there. Not even an option. Not even an option. Thank you, Drew.

[Kyle Morgan]

For.

[Brent Tucker]

For now making that. Oh, a learning lesson.

[Kyle Morgan]

I got a funny story.

[Brent Tucker]

Nobody.

[Kyle Morgan]

Oh, I do got one.

[Brent Tucker]

Oh, Johnny, come lately over here. What do you got?

[Kyle Morgan]

I had to take it back. So. So you know Devin the. The training director?

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Kyle Morgan]

That man. Sarcasm is seamless.

[Brent Tucker]

Okay.

[Kyle Morgan]

Like, it is. It is. He. It's. It's extremely. To me, and it. And it doesn't bother me because I find a lot of humor in how quickly he's able to layer sarcasm in everything. But when given a challenge, he's extremely competitive. So he takes golf really serious. And I talked about this on the podcast recently, but this was one of the funniest things that I didn't get to the other side of is that there was a wager. I said, the three of us, so the rest of the team against him. And it was Texas scramble.

[Brent Tucker]

Okay.

[Kyle Morgan]

Someone helped me on the comments with that. If. And right away, he didn't pause. He's like, if I win. I was like, dang, dude, hold up. If I win, I was like, oh, crap. Right? I get the master bedroom, and you guys got to do a sleepover one of the nights, and I get to pick the nightgowns or the. The onesies. The. Your attire. Right.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Kyle Morgan]

And it was. The consequences were pretty severe, right? Like, we were like, man, if we lose, it's going to have to be on the last night, because we can't. We're not going to sleep.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Kyle Morgan]

Sleepover in the living room.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Kyle Morgan]

Not with him. He gets the master bedroom.

[Brent Tucker]

Right.

[Kyle Morgan]

Which is my room. And I was like, oh, am I willing to give this up?

[Brent Tucker]

Right? Risk, reward.

[Kyle Morgan]

All right, well, let me think about what the consequences if we win for you. It took me a couple hours to come back to him, and he acted like this didn't bother him because we won. But okay. Three strokes. All right. Nine holes. Three strokes that. It wasn't by much. And the consequence for him, because he loves to drive. Like, I don't make him drive. He. He loves to be the driver.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah, some guys are like that.

[Kyle Morgan]

And. And I let him do it. And his consequence was that he couldn't drive for this trip. He had to sit in the backseat and navigate from the back seat. Not using CarPlay giving acting as CarPlay. And the top this off, we have an Asian member on our team. He had to drive, or he's of Asian American descent.

[Brent Tucker]

Even better.

[Kyle Morgan]

Justin.

[Brent Tucker]

Even better.

[Kyle Morgan]

I was like, justin has to drive, and you have to listen to our music the whole time because he constantly makes fun of the music I like. So that was his. That was his consequence. And he acted like it didn't bother him.

[Brent Tucker]

You know it did.

[Kyle Morgan]

But it did.

[Brent Tucker]

You know it did.

[Kyle Morgan]

And if that wasn't funny to you, sorry.

[Brent Tucker]

It's a story, and we'll take it.

[Kyle Morgan]

Yeah, I found one. See, it just takes me a little while.

[Brent Tucker]

You're good. You're good. All right, we gotta reset this thing for a live.

[Kyle Morgan]

Almost a cereal.

[Brent Tucker]

I promise not to delete this episode.

[Kyle Morgan]

Please don't.

[Brent Tucker]

Thanks, man.

[Kyle Morgan]

Yeah, no, thank you.