Mike Glover with Brent Tucker| Tier1 Live

Summary

Tier1 Podcast: Mike Glover with Brent Tucker | Tier1 Live

Date: June 28, 2026
Host: Brent Tucker
Guest: Mike Glover (Former Green Beret, SIF Assaulter, Fieldcraft Founder)
Producer/Co-Host: Drew Tucker
Theme: Firsthand insight into elite missions, leadership under pressure, realities of military service, law enforcement, and the business of preparedness.

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Episode Overview

This special Tuesday Night Live episode reunites former Delta Force operator Brent Tucker with Mike Glover, a fellow veteran of elite Army Special Operations and founder of Fieldcraft Survival. The conversation is wide-ranging and candid, covering everything from the evolution of military podcasting and content creation, critical lessons from law enforcement failures and reforms, deep dives into the realities of special operations, reflections on controversial public figures, and the importance of faith and preparedness. Along the way, the hosts field diverse, often no-holds-barred questions from a highly engaged live audience—addressing everything from inside military culture, tactics, and equipment, to personal philosophies, books, and even if men should sit when they pee.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

The Origin & Evolution of Military Podcasting

• Mike's Start in Podcasting (03:17)

  • “I honestly started podcasting to get a lot of things that were just stuck in my head… It really was therapeutic for me.” — Mike Glover
  • Early podcasts were recorded in pajamas using a phone, showing humble beginnings before evolving to high production.
  • Lesson: Content and authentic storytelling matter more than production value, especially in the beginning.

• Advice for Aspiring Content Creators (04:00)

  • Focus on content and skill—not equipment.
  • “Podcasting is a skill you hone. Just put out a product… be good at your skill and slowly work at it.” — Brent Tucker

Viral Moments & Difficult Topics

• Viral Critique: Uvalde Response (07:18)

  • Mike never expected millions to watch, first achieved virality critiquing the Uvalde school shooting response.
  • “I gave one officer who was pushing the momentum credit, and obviously criticized the rest. We know how that went.” — Mike Glover

• Law Enforcement & Military—Learning from Tragedy (08:24)

  • Post-Uvalde, active shooter training and law enforcement culture have fundamentally changed.
  • Military tends to “learn from its actions, try not to make the same mistake twice.”
  • Civilian criticism (from people who’ve never been in harm’s way) can be unfair—but still acknowledges necessary accountability.

Patriotism & America’s Reputation

• Re-examining America by Foreign Visitors (11:05-12:56)

  • A wave of World Cup fans and social media reversals changed the negative overseas narrative.
  • “[Foreigners] are besides themselves of how great this country is… For them to come over here and be like, well, hold on. We’ve been bamboozled a little bit. America’s pretty awesome.” — Brent Tucker

• Humorous interlude about bandwagon sports fans, soccer, and joking about Turkey’s prospects against the US (14:44-15:38).

Critique of Self-Help Books by Navy SEALs (Satire Segment)

• Spoof Video Mocking “Self-Help” Book Industry (16:31-18:28)
  • Hilariously skewering the formulaic, cash-in approach of certain military memoirs.
  • “All Navy SEALs can only write is self-help books… My mama didn’t give birth to me, I was deployed to this country…” — Mike Glover [satire segment]

Inside Baseball: Special Operations Selection & Performance

On Failing, Selection, and Standards (Delta, Green Beret, SEALs)

• Attrition Rates & Why People Fail (20:03)

  • “I was the one that was able to return [to Delta selection]. Not bragging. You’re actually right, I did fail. And then I came back… They don’t usually fail, actually.” — Mike Glover

• Delta vs. Green Beret: Individual vs. Team Performance (23:10–24:43)

  • “It’s really about how they perform as a team… Our worst man is going to run absolute circles around the Green Beret’s worst man.” — Brent Tucker
  • Rep volume, standards, and Op Sergeant/team sergeant influence performance in SF teams.

On Public Criticism and Feedback

• Handling Criticism Online (27:55–30:08)
  • Block and delete for disrespect, but open to constructive feedback.
  • Both read comments, sometimes winning over trolls by “killing with kindness.” Favorite hostile comment: “While Brent’s in Montana, I hope he gets stuck in a structure fire and dies” — Brent (29:14).

On Foreign, Law Enforcement, and Special Ops Collaboration

• Working with NATO SOF, KSK (Germany), RRC (Ranger Recon), HRT, BORTAC

  • KSK hamstrung by political hierarchy, but professional individuals (88:18–90:29).
  • HRT not on par with Delta in CQB, but the best law enforcement has. RRC praised as best-kept secret in SOF.

• Memorable Stories: (80:27–82:18, 181:57–185:48)

  • Stealth kills in Bosnia, wild exploits of RRC, and the emotional recounting of losing a beloved working dog, “Vinnie,” killed saving lives on a JSOC mission.

The Tim Kennedy Controversy & Forgiveness

• Perspectives on Tim Kennedy’s Public Fallout (58:11–70:38)
  • Mike recounts their long, intertwined history, standing up for Tim in training, and the “dramatized” stories in Tim’s book.
  • Both believe in community, forgiveness, and honesty; Brent’s consistent, “the offer still stands” for reconciliation.
  • “At the end of the day, we’re all human. We’ve all fallen short. I wish Tim all the best, I wish Brent all the best.” — Mike Glover (62:36)

Debates on Terms, Stolen Valor, and the “Operator” Label

• Clarifying Roles, Transparent About Augmentee Status (101:44–113:21)
  • Mike addresses claims he has ever claimed to be a “Delta assaulter,” clarifies his exact roles (SIF assaulter, GRS, worked with the unit but not a Tango-qualified assaulter). All his prior podcasts clarify this.
  • The term “operator”—debated history, usage, and how it’s been diluted; both wish for new, precise terminology.

Funny & Candid Moments

Sit or Stand Debate (41:09–43:38)

• Long, hilarious riff: “I still take a Delta Force operator without combat experience [over an unknown Green Beret].”
• Loud dismay/discussion over whether men should sit to pee, with personal and team room anecdotes.

Field Snacks, Pooping in the Field, and Toilet Paper Emergency Procedures (227:01–230:38)

• Favorite snacks: Nutter Butters, trail mix, and Uncrustables.
• On running out of toilet paper at the gym: “There must be a sacrificial sock.” — Brent Tucker

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Starting Out Small:
  “A lot of my podcasts were on my cell phone, on a voice memo… legitimately, no studio, just talking into my cell phone. That helped me… it was therapeutic.”
  — Mike Glover (03:17)

• On Uvalde Critique Going Viral:
  “Never, unfortunately. It was on Uvalde when I criticized the law enforcement response… gave one officer the credit, and then obviously criticized the rest. And we know how that went.”
  — Mike Glover (07:18-07:42)

• On Patriotism:
  “There’s video after video after video of foreigners coming here to America and just…beside themselves of how great this country is… For them to come over here and be like, well, hold on. We’ve been bamboozled a little bit. America’s pretty awesome, actually.”
  — Brent Tucker (12:29)

• Satirical Rant on Navy SEAL Self-Help Books:
  “Forget hell week. This is hell life. I lost a lot of friends in Fallujah… My book’s called make your bed. And I’m not talking about fixing your bed…cut a tree down, drag it back, fabricate a bed… and then, and only then, will you be ready to be a district manager at a rack room shoes.”
  — Mike Glover (satire, 16:31–18:28)

• On Handling Haters:
  "Usually those really negative comments, I'll write back to them. But I usually, like, write back something really nice to them. Sometimes I'll win them over."
  — Brent Tucker (29:49)

• Defending Law Enforcement Training:
  “I hate to say that. And SWAT teams don’t know any better. They hear ‘special operations’ background… No. Just put out a product… content is more important. Be good at your skill and slowly work at it.” — Brent Tucker (114:46 onwards)

• On Single-Man CQB Criticism:
  “The only people that should be commenting to you about that are people with equal experience or more… If you've never done it, who are you to tell a SIF guy and a GRS guy how CQB should be done?”
  — Brent Tucker (122:35)

• On the Meaning of ‘Operator’:
  “No one else stole that from us — we actually stole it. I’m protective of the word. We've lost control of it. Now I wish for new terminology.”
  — Brent Tucker (109:29)

• On Forgiveness and Growth:
  “Despite the errors [Tim Kennedy]'s made…I think the best course of action is to learn from those mistakes and move forward.”
  — Mike Glover (62:36)

• On Christianity and Adult Understanding of Faith:
  “If you thought the Bible was boring as an adult, give it another try— you might think differently.”
  — Brent Tucker (101:34)

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Live Q&A Highlights & Timestamps

• Why Green Berets Fail OTC/Delta?
  (20:03)
• Delta vs. Green Beret in a Firefight:
  (23:10–24:43)
• Handling Negative Comments as a Public Figure:
  (27:55–30:08)
• Most Favorable/Unfavorable Terrain:
  (74:18–77:06)
• Favorite Foreign Units to Work With:
  (93:06–95:14)
• Field Snack Preferences:
  (226:01–227:44)
• On Operator/Assaulter Titles and Misrepresentation:
  (101:44–114:11)
• Special Forces Officer Pathways:
  (141:50–144:21)
• Military vs. Law Enforcement/Tier System Analogy:
  (146:58–151:59)
• Best MOS on an ODA:
  (169:38–171:12)
• On JDAMs and Favorite Weapons Platforms:
  (181:57–189:44)
• Civilian Preparedness & Everyday Carry:
  (131:15–132:06, 210:33–214:45)
• Book Recommendations and Learning:
  (99:06–101:34, 156:52–159:28)

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Episode Tone and Language

• Candid, unvarnished soldier humor (running gags about “sitting to pee,” field pooping, self-deprecation)
• Respectful but direct critique (honesty about failures, the “operator” controversy, and the SEAL book industry)
• Sense of brotherhood, humility, and deep pride in special operations, American values, and the importance of paying lessons forward to law enforcement and future generations.
• No sacred cows: Willing to poke fun at their own communities (Green Berets, Rangers, SEALs, support vs. assaulter), but always with context.
• Faith and mission-driven: Both men put family, God, and the larger preparedness community at the center of their work.

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Final Notes & Community Info

• Collaboration Hopes: Discussion of joint Patreon events, ongoing cross-pollination between Fieldcraft Survival and the Tier1 community.
• Upcoming Guests: Kyle Morgan and others in live schedule.
• Contact Info: Reach out to participants via their official Instagram handles or through Tier1 Podcast’s email.
• Appreciation: Heartfelt thanks to the community for their support, tough questions, and commitment to making all these discussions possible.

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“Because of you [the audience], I’ve been able to build a business and give security to my family post-experience, and that means a lot to me. So I plan to do a lot more with Fieldcraft, and collaboration is one of those things. I just hope we can keep doing this.”
— Mike Glover (246:38)

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Listen to the full episode for more Q&A, inside stories, laughs, and powerful lessons from the highest levels of American special operations.

Transcript

[Mike Glover]

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[Mike Glover]

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[Drew Tucker]

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[Brent Tucker]

All right, we're live.

[Drew Tucker]

Drew, we're live.

[Brent Tucker]

Let's do it. Welcome back to a special Tuesday night. I almost came right out the gates and said, welcome back to another Thursday night.

[Drew Tucker]

Oh, gonna mess up our whole week.

[Brent Tucker]

That's. No, it's gonna make your week better because we got a Tuesday Night Live and a Thursday Night Live.

[Drew Tucker]

Yeah, we do.

[Brent Tucker]

With us tonight, we have special guest Mike Glover. And as always, oh, Drew with a. A sound effects. Look at the pro. Look at the pro. Over on the couch, we have, of course, Magnet from Lion Arms, as always. And making it all happen with his electronic wizardry knowledge, my brother, Drew Tucker, the producer. You guys ready?

[Drew Tucker]

We're ready.

[Brent Tucker]

Let's do it. Welcome back, guys. I'm excited about tonight. Got my old friend Mike Glover here with me. We've. We've crossed paths before. Limited, but cross paths. We were in the Q course together, spent some time at the unit together, and now we're. We're podcasting together.

[Mike Glover]

Wild. That's crazy.

[Brent Tucker]

Mike, what are you doing? Podcasting. Why you do it.

[Mike Glover]

Hey, what's going on, guys? Welcome back.

[Brent Tucker]

How'd you get into it? You started early. Started at a great time, both with social media and podcasting. And I don't mean that, you know, facetiously. You probably didn't know it was a good time. It's more. More of a hindsight thing. But what made you pull the trigger on that. Because back then it, it's cool to do it now, but probably not when, when you first pulled the trigger on that.

[Mike Glover]

I, I don't think anybody was listening to me but my mom. I, I honestly started podcasting to get a lot of things that were just stuck in my head, to get outside of my head and kind of comprehend the experience. A lot of my podcasts were on my cell phone, on a voice memo that I recorded on my, in my pajamas, in my bed. I mean, legitimately, no studio, just talking into my cell phone. And so that, that helped me. I found that podcast and talking about things, you know, military experiences, lost friends, it really was therapeutic for me. That's why I started.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah, it's, it's really cool. You say that people forget where people started. What I mean by that is you go to your channel now and you see a nice polished product, right? Great thumbnail, good production, good editing. You know how you've, it's, it's a, it's a skill that you hone. Podcasting is still a skill that, that you hone. You can go back to Joe Rogan. Look at. So some of Joe Rogan's earliest episodes. They're trash. Trash. They're not. People are going to want to hear that. It's not nice to say about. But Joe would probably say that about his early episodes too. I'm pretty sure he knows just trash. So it's, it's really cool that, but that's, that's the thing. It doesn't have to stay trash. And I give this same advice to, to other people who want to get in the space where you feel like you have to drop 10 or $15,000 and get the nicest of everything. No, just put out a product that content is, is more important. Be good at your skill and slowly work at it.

[Mike Glover]

Yeah, I, I, I took pride in anything that I did. And despite not having the resources because I was broke, I figured it out. I talked into my cell phone for a couple years and then got a zoom like the H6, which I could afford at the time with two mics. And I'm kind of back to phones. I actually do my podcast in a phone now because the technology is so good. So I've evolved and kind of de. Evolve in more simplistic terms. Yeah, but yeah, it's, it's, it's talking in front of an audience about subject matters and experiences and etc. You get better at it the longer you do it.

[Brent Tucker]

For sure. You sure do. And I, People get to See, a. A polished product. It's. I'm not great at speaking. I'm not. Not, you know, sitting, like, bashing myself.

[Drew Tucker]

Oh, you're good.

[Brent Tucker]

I'm not good at it.

[Drew Tucker]

Yeah.

[Mike Glover]

You're a good podcaster.

[Brent Tucker]

We all know. And I get, I give. You already know. I'm going to say magnet. Who's. Who's the. Who's. Who's the best podcaster in the space by how he talks, what he says. Who is it? Joe Rogan. No.

[Drew Tucker]

No.

[Brent Tucker]

Well, Joe Rogan's not bad. Who do. Who do you think I give that award to?

[Mike Glover]

Andy Stone.

[Brent Tucker]

Andy St. Andy Stone. You watch that guy and you're like, I say a lot.

[Mike Glover]

Yeah. He's polished. He's mastered the craft.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah. So I, I even edit out. I edit out my ums just because they, they annoy me. They annoy me. Yeah.

[Mike Glover]

I, I don't think you've dropped many ums. Not our podcast.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah. You gotta catch them. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You weren't listening for him.

[Mike Glover]

You're good at workflow. You're good at flowing the conversation chronologically,

[Brent Tucker]

but was there ever a point where you go from. There's. There's probably 20 people, a hundred people watching your podcast. And I, I know it's to some degree a weird thing for, for two grow men in our background to talk about, but this is, but this is a business sound and it's what we do.

[Mike Glover]

It's our life now.

[Brent Tucker]

Right. Do you know what your. One of your biggest videos is of you wise?

[Mike Glover]

I was.

[Brent Tucker]

You got any over the millions?

[Mike Glover]

Yeah. A whole bunch of millions.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah. Yeah. Okay.

[Mike Glover]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

Could you ever imagine at the beginning that you'd ever get a result like that with a video that a million people would care about what you had to say on anything?

[Mike Glover]

Never, unfortunately. It was on Uvalde when I criticized the law enforcement response and did a play by play on the actions of the officers and gave one officer who was pushing.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Mike Glover]

The momentum, the credit, and then obviously criticized the rest. And we know how that went.

[Brent Tucker]

I. It hurts me to say this, but it's, It's. It's a good thing that came from a bad thing.

[Mike Glover]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

I still train mainly SWAT officers and SWAT teams and they will say we're not as good as we believe as the military. The military does a really good job of learning from its actions. Ars try not to make the same mistake twice, spreading that information out. And they're right. We don't. We're not 100% good at that. But for the Most part, the military is pretty good about that.

[Drew Tucker]

Yeah.

[Mike Glover]

Yeah. Evolving and upgrading its circumstance, like let's say speed of war. The unit does that by objective.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah. Uvalde was a horrible showcase of, of law enforcement presence.

[Mike Glover]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

However, law enforcement refuses to let that happen again. In fact, I'm doing an actor shooter conference for the Florida SWAT Association.

[Mike Glover]

Really cool.

[Brent Tucker]

And, and they, they still think about that and somewhat talk about it. They don't, I mean, it's been a long time, so they don't, it doesn't, doesn't live rent free in their head, so to speak, but they won't let it happen again. And so they're, they are capable of doing that. And law enforcement because of that has changed the way they've trained, changed their, their culture of active shooter. And it's made a point to be like never again. And I, and that is one of the good things that happened from that.

[Mike Glover]

Yeah. I know a lot of SWAT teams that I've taught throughout the country who, if they were in that position, that would have never happened. Midland swat, Modesto swat, A whole bunch of SWAT teams that would just have got it done.

[Brent Tucker]

You know, this is, this is one thing that annoys me a little bit and, and this is going to come off a little bit snide and it's not, it's not meant to. But sometimes when I read comments of people who have never picked up a gun and have never put themselves in harm's way and automatically though, start bashing the Uvalde officers. Don't get me wrong, they deserve criticism. They do. But for other people who've never done that, be like, oh, I would have, I would have ran in there. I can't believe they didn't. Would you have? Maybe. But would you have. You've never picked up a gun and ran into harm's way so far in your life and you think, you think during that day you're going to maybe, and I hope you're right. But man, that's, that's also a little unfair to, to some degree as, as well. And I know that's an unpopular opinion that, that people have, but it's, it's worth asking, or at least a little bit of self reflection for, for something.

[Mike Glover]

I think it's the right opinion for sure.

[Brent Tucker]

Well, let's see how we're doing over here. Here's, here's one thing I want to talk about because I'm, I'm not, I'm not done being a proud American because man, things are, things are changing. Things are changing for the good. We've waited. Guys like us have waited a long time to. For. For the momentum to kind of go back and swing back the. The other way. Let me tell you what I love, Drew. Let's go to that. That video, and it's the very. The very bottom video. We're gonna. We're gonna start with that one. I know. We're gonna. I know. I prepped you with that one. And that's my badger. Go. Let's go all the way down. Have you seen these videos? Go ahead. Go ahead. Drew, you deserve and are owed an apology, and I'm gonna say sorry on

[Mike Glover]

behalf of all the countries outside America

[Brent Tucker]

and their media and the narrative they paint about America.

[Mike Glover]

Hundreds and thousands of fans for the World cup are now seeing America through

[Brent Tucker]

their own eyes, realizing the narrative they've been fed is false, and they're now realizing America is not the place that they thought it was.

[Mike Glover]

And I am sorry. The media in these countries outside of

[Brent Tucker]

America paints you the way they do. America is rich in culture, scenery. The people are amazing, and the media

[Mike Glover]

in the countries outside of America paint this weird narrative that is a place

[Brent Tucker]

that you shouldn't go.

[Mike Glover]

But now the tides are changing.

[Brent Tucker]

There is a shift that is happening. I'm sorry. You've been painted in this light for so long, and I'm so happy.

[Mike Glover]

America is finally receiving the flowers that it deserves.

[Brent Tucker]

We've all seen the videos of the

[Mike Glover]

Europeans experiencing America for what it truly is.

[Brent Tucker]

That's good enough. There's video after video after video of foreigners coming here to America and just besides themselves, beside themselves of how great this country is. Don't get me wrong. I'm not that guy. I don't need you to come over here and follow their feet. But what I also don't expect the rest of the world to do is paint the picture of America and in some bad light that just isn't true. For them to come over here and be like, well, hold on. We've been bamboozled a little bit. America's pretty awesome, actually.

[Mike Glover]

Yeah. How many people are trying to jump ship into other countries? How much? What's the mad exodus? America? There's none of that. Nobody's crossing borders, trying to get into foreign countries.

[Brent Tucker]

There's no rafts full of Americans trying to try to get out of here.

[Mike Glover]

Yeah, that's not happening.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah. Oh, I love it. That's not a. You a soccer fan?

[Mike Glover]

Yeah. Yeah. I'm getting. My son's getting into it, so with him, I've gotten Into it, and I love it. I think it's pretty cool.

[Brent Tucker]

I'm. I'm. I'm a bandwagon guy. Just not on a lot of things. Like, my Florida Gators have not been worth cheering for a whole lot. But I'll always be a Florida Gator fan.

[Mike Glover]

Same. I grew up one.

[Brent Tucker]

When it. When it comes to bandwagon sports to some degree. Check it out. I. I don't like synchronized diving. I don't put it in the Olympics, though. And America's about to jump off that podium for a gold. You know, for a chance of a gold medal. I'm watching same. I care about diving all of a sudden.

[Drew Tucker]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

I don't care a lot about soccer. World cup comes around. All right, America, give me the T shirt. I'm watching. And they have not disappointed. Last week, I think we only had one game under our belt.

[Mike Glover]

Magnet.

[Brent Tucker]

When I asked you what. What do you think about the. The American soccer team? And we rolled over Australia since then, didn't we? I told you. I think. I think they're a great team. I mean, they have a great coach. So people are talking about them. Yeah. Which it took a long time for

[Drew Tucker]

them to get as to where they're

[Brent Tucker]

at, but I think they're a great team now. Lord David keeps saying England, so him and I've been going back and forth on that. They got a team. They got a team. Who. Who do we play next? Do you know? No, you don't. Oh, you're my soccer expert. I know Chad's.

[Drew Tucker]

A lot of.

[Brent Tucker]

I have been.

[Drew Tucker]

So.

[Mike Glover]

They just beat Korea. I know that.

[Brent Tucker]

What's that?

[Mike Glover]

They just beat Korea.

[Brent Tucker]

Who did?

[Mike Glover]

The American team.

[Brent Tucker]

No, we just beat Australia.

[Mike Glover]

No. Well, last weekend, I think it was

[Brent Tucker]

a little weekend, But Paraguay. We're 2 and 0, right. Two games so far. Right. Paraguay.

[Mike Glover]

Be Korean.

[Brent Tucker]

Australia, probably. Anyone they played.

[Mike Glover]

Half of me is tormented.

[Drew Tucker]

All right. Yeah. It's gonna be a good night.

[Brent Tucker]

I know there's gonna be a few more, but there's this.

[Drew Tucker]

There's.

[Brent Tucker]

Is it North Korea or is it South Korea? Yeah, you might specify that. Korea. The. You wrote a book called Prepared, and I'm. I'm proud of you. For. For.

[Mike Glover]

Where is this going?

[Brent Tucker]

No, this isn't a joke. I say this the other. Go from soccer to a book. I love it when special operations guys or anyone in the military writes a book. There's a wrong way to write a book. There's a good way to write a book. When you write a book the right way and yours isn't even ultra focused on. On. On your military career. You dabble in it and you say things when it. When it's important. But I think it's important for future young men of America to read books like this and have a reason to want to join the military. So kudos to you on the book. That was. That was not a joke, Shukron.

[Drew Tucker]

Looks like we're playing turkey Thursday, 10 o'.

[Brent Tucker]

Clock. Oh, yeah, 10pm they're gonna get crushed. I know. What?

[Drew Tucker]

Thanksgiving comes early this year, boys.

[Brent Tucker]

Turkey's. Turkey's gonna get crushed.

[Drew Tucker]

Yeah. What.

[Brent Tucker]

What's.

[Drew Tucker]

What.

[Brent Tucker]

What. What do you say The. The score is going to be 2Z 2N. All right, I'm. I'm going. I'm going 31.

[Mike Glover]

Oh, I'm going 61.

[Brent Tucker]

I love it. Love it.

[Mike Glover]

Yeah, it's turkey. Come on.

[Brent Tucker]

It's turkey china. All right. They're known for hair plugs, not soccer.

[Mike Glover]

We're making. When are we going?

[Brent Tucker]

Ask me how I know.

[Mike Glover]

Oh, that place is legit for that.

[Brent Tucker]

Speaking of books, Drew, pull up Instagram and this. This just. This summarizes a little bit what I hate about. Forget seals writing. It's not. Well, we can make fun of seals, but. But how? They kind of. What's the word I'm looking for? Almost take advantage of. Of their background and. And overly. Overly apply it for monetary gain. It can be done in a good way. But this one. This one kills me. Go ahead, Drew.

[Mike Glover]

Hell week. This is hell life. I lost a lot of friends in Fallujah, and what did I learn about it? How to make you a district manager at a Sherwin Williams. My book's called make youe Bed. And I'm not talking about fixing your bed. Make it with your hands. Go in the woods, cut a tree down, drag it back, fabricate a bed. And then, and only then, will you be ready to be a district manager at a rack room Shoots.

[Drew Tucker]

Of course.

[Mike Glover]

It's a self help book. All Navy SEALs can only write is self help books. No one's ever read a Navy SEAL book and been like that was a great science fiction, horror, thriller, novel. It's always the ten steps to something. I don't sleep at night anymore. And I've only been functionally literate for two years. Forget Faulkner, forget Dickens. Prose is for pussies. And poetry makes me gag on my own vomit. The tears I was supposed to shed for my fallen brothers. I pushed those tears down into my nut sack. And then I came. Words on the page. It's got a Chapter one, it's got a.

[Brent Tucker]

Chapter two, it's got a.

[Mike Glover]

Chapter three. Having a hard time folding your clothes? Read chapter three. My mama didn't give birth to me. I was deployed to this country. I went to the VA hospital and all they gave me was bushels of Viagra. The whole time I wrote this book, I was hard as damn Chinese bone book, if that's even the phrase.

[Brent Tucker]

What does that mean?

[Mike Glover]

I'm not good with phrases, but I can give you the top 10 steps so that you can manage a Walmart. It's all self help bullshit jargon, but it's written by a Navy seal, so dudes who voted Republican will like it. You don't need to read those pussy books written by flippy little boys. You gonna go read Ernest Hemingway, a lesser man?

[Brent Tucker]

As far as I'm concerned.

[Mike Glover]

We're not reading that. I don't need flippy words to tell me about what to gather from life. There ain't nothing to gather from life. Crush your enemies and your enemy. This week is that promotion. Forget hell Week. This is hell life.

[Brent Tucker]

All right.

[Mike Glover]

I lost a lot.

[Brent Tucker]

I forgot how long that was Shipley on that guy. Yeah, of course that's. That's ridiculous to some degree, but it's a little bit funny because it's a little bit true. How long did it take him to do that video? I. I think. I think he. Yeah, I think he crushed it. I think he wrote it down for about 30 seconds and took one take and sent it. Oh, man. All right, Drew, let's go to the super chats now that everyone has had a chance, a fair chance to get here. And that might be the pizza magnet.

[Drew Tucker]

All right, just know 11 Bravo says I'm first this time.

[Brent Tucker]

He finally got first.

[Drew Tucker]

Yes. 34 says, why'd you fail Delta OTC? Why do green Berets usually fail? Seals trying for Seal Team 6 usually fail on CQB.

[Brent Tucker]

That's okay. That's a lot. That is.

[Mike Glover]

So why'd you fail?

[Brent Tucker]

I love it. He spread the hate around.

[Mike Glover]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

To Green Berets. Why do green. That's just a gin. That's a general statement. Why do Green Berets usually fail?

[Mike Glover]

That's pretty general. So it's a leading point.

[Drew Tucker]

It's a leading question.

[Mike Glover]

In my class one I, there were only a couple SF guys, actually. I had Rangers. I had big army infantry out of. Let's just say it was 15. I don't know the exact number, but that's a roundabout number. It was a smaller OTC class And I was the only one in that class that didn't get NTR that was told to go away.

[Drew Tucker]

5.

[Mike Glover]

I believe five to seven guys were given opportunities to do direct support roles. And again, a couple maybe were dropped and told never to return, which is a. A big, bold move because they did something really either unsafe or unethical. And out of the seven or so that we dropped, it was like half the class. It was a heavy attrition class. I was the one that was able to. To return. And I don't say that like it's bragging, because that's not bragging. You're actually right. I did fail. And. And then I came back. It says, why do Green Berets usually fail? They don't usually fail, actually.

[Brent Tucker]

Not. Not more than anyone else fails.

[Mike Glover]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah. And. And seals trying for ST6 usually fail on CQB. That is correct, because you were getting. You were getting assessed on cqb. So that is going to be a big. A big reason why you.

[Mike Glover]

And they screen. Right. They don't. They don't have a selection process as far as. So an actual thing. Right.

[Brent Tucker]

They call their OTC Green team or selection, and you're right. Okay. And. But they. And they have an assessment before that, which. Which is not. So they do things. It's a process of, like, screening a little bit different. But I feel like they. They get pretty close to the. To. To the same product. But. But of course I'm biased.

[Drew Tucker]

I mean, Brent, I failed chemistry, and then I had to take it over

[Brent Tucker]

in the summer, so I wish you'd have told me that sooner so you had that.

[Drew Tucker]

So sometimes you got to take it over.

[Brent Tucker]

All right, that says a lot, but I'm proud of you for admitting that.

[Drew Tucker]

I cheated in the summer to pass, so stop it. You did. I sure did. 100% did.

[Brent Tucker]

How old were you?

[Drew Tucker]

All right, got to tell this funny story. Okay, so me and my friends, we had to take the chemistry over in the summer at Lyman High School because there was a terrible chemistry teacher at Seminole. But anyway, we went when it was lunchtime, we found the answer book. I hope Lyman doesn't get this.

[Brent Tucker]

Anyway, 50 years ago for you. So they're good.

[Drew Tucker]

We found the answer book while the teacher was at lunch, and we. We took the answer book to all the tests, and then we quickly wrote all the answers down in the stairwell and then returned the book back before lunch was over. And that's how we passed all of our tests for the rest of the summer. Yes. All right.

[Brent Tucker]

Beat the System.

[Mike Glover]

I was going to say, you could have took a picture of it, but there's no cameras that were around.

[Drew Tucker]

There wasn't no cell phones. Me and my friends played tic tac toe in the dot game for the rest of the summer. That's all we did. All right, solely. 1, 2, 3, 4. Back in. He says difference between how average Green Beret performs in a firefight and how average Delta operator performs.

[Brent Tucker]

That's a, that's a, that's a difficult question to, to really nail down in an answer, but I'll, I'll, I'll give it a whirl. You're talking about individuals for starts for, for starters. And that's not really where the strength is. The strength isn't in the individual Green Beret in the firefight or the, or, or the sole Delt Force operator in the firefighter. It really goes down to how they perform as a unit and a team. And I've said this before, I think if you put the best Green Beret up against the best Delta Force shooter, some flat range, the Delta Force guy is going to win, but it won't be easy and he's going to have to work for it. In fact, if it's a Best out of 10, the Green Beret might, might even steal a few. And that, that means our best versus their best. It's close, but, but, but we will win because we're better, but not like super power better. The difference is this, is that our worst man is going to run absolute circles around the Green Berets worst man. And that's, and that's where we shine in a firefight where you have no weak links and as a cohesive team, everybody has situational awareness and is moving, moving it the right ways, understanding. And it's the way this firefighter is developing and everyone's where they should be. So it's not about the individual. It's really about how they perform as a team. What do you think about that?

[Mike Glover]

I think it's absolutely correct. I, I default to the OTC hallway where they have that box of ammunition of the, the brass cartridges that you expend in that entire course. And it's enough to fill a 55 gallon drum. And that's what you expend just in basic training, because it's basic. There's nothing super advanced about that training, but the reps and the attention to detail and also the standard is pretty insane. And when you go to Green Berets, the Op Sergeant typically sets the standard. So if you have A bad op sergeant, a bad team sergeant. You might have a loose standard. You might not even have a standard at all. So that. That's. That would be unacceptable in the organization, the unit. So I. I think it's. It's spot on. Yeah.

[Drew Tucker]

All right, Brent, would you rather be in a firefight with a Green Beret with combat experience or Delta operator without combat experience?

[Brent Tucker]

I still take a Delta Force operator without combat experience because we have no

[Drew Tucker]

idea if the Green Beret was good at the combat experience.

[Brent Tucker]

That's right.

[Drew Tucker]

Anything you disagree with each other?

[Brent Tucker]

I mean. Oh, solely. 1, 2, 3, 4 is. Has. Was. Was ready.

[Drew Tucker]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

With. With questions right out the gate. Anything we disagree with each other about? Oh, that is a good question. Mike thinks he's better at me at math because of his Asian heritage.

[Mike Glover]

When I have an abacus. If I have an abacus present, because I know how to work it, I just.

[Brent Tucker]

The beads and. And I'm not. I'm not bad at math. So that. That may be one thing that's been a sticking point for a long time.

[Mike Glover]

We talked about that.

[Brent Tucker]

That. Yeah, that might. That might. That might be it.

[Drew Tucker]

Just another 11B says, I heard Kiki was going to be here tonight, likely using false names and bashing Brent.

[Brent Tucker]

Okay. All right. We'll be. We'll be on the lookout for Kiki.

[Drew Tucker]

Oh, Kiki. Holy fuchs is.

[Brent Tucker]

Mike, real quick, before we get to the next one. And that's okay. It's you. You're in the public eye. People are gonna bash you, you know, and. But it's. I think it's a little bit. I want to say, how do you handle it, Mike? Some. Some people say this that I. I can't completely do. Of course I. I have to read the comment section. I read it for a couple reasons. Like, it's a good. It's a good feedback. I've gotten good feedback from the comment section about whether it can be. You talk too much. The audio isn't very good. I wish you to ask them this. Like, there's. There's certain things that. That people are giving good, constructive feedback in. In the. In the comment section. Of course you're going to read good comments. You're going to read bad comments. And I can't. I can't not read the bad comments. I'm still a person. And you want everyone, always you. Most people want people to like them. So I'm sure in the public eye, you. You're no stranger to negative comments. Do you see them? How do you deal with them?

[Mike Glover]

So I do recomment sometimes. And, you know, a lot of the times when I don't read comments is because I don't have the time and because I'm. I'm just putting content, disseminating information usually one way. But I am very reciprocal when it comes to constructive criticism. The one thing I don't tolerate, and it's easy because now, for example, if you block and delete somebody on YouTube because of the Google algorithm, it's tied to a Google account and their imei, which means they can't generate other accounts to bash you because you'll block them all. So if I have somebody who's disrespectful, disrespecting my family, my wife, my kids, talking about things out of context like they don't understand, then I typically just block and delete because I, I just don't have time for that. But I. I am very open to criticism, and I think it's. It's part of this whole feedback loop which evolves us in this space, which I think is positive.

[Brent Tucker]

That's harder for me to do because you're much bigger than me. So if I block 10 people, I'm gonna lose 10% of my viewership, you know, So I can't. So. And I, I need those negative comments to push the algorithm. It's a comment. I'll.

[Mike Glover]

I'll.

[Brent Tucker]

I'll take it. It's like a tool.

[Mike Glover]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Mike Glover]

It can be a tool for engagement for sure.

[Brent Tucker]

I don't know if, if you, if you have one that stands out, but I've said it before. I do have my favorite anti Brent Common I've, I've ever read.

[Mike Glover]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

And it was on. It was on my episode with, with Andy Stump. And I hope, I hope I can remember it right. Some guy wrote and goes, while Brent's in Montana, I hope he gets stuck in a structure fire and dies so we never have to hear from him again. It was so over the top. Whoa. It made me laugh. Like.

[Mike Glover]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

Like I wasn't. It's my. In a weird. It's my favorite comment. I'll never forget it.

[Drew Tucker]

Geez.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah. Cause I was like, geez. Like, and you. Unless you catch me on a bad day, which is rare, I'm human. Usually those really negative comments, I'll write back to them. But I usually, like, write back something really nice to them.

[Mike Glover]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

You know, to try to kill them with kindness. Yeah. And sometimes they'll. I'll. I'll win them over with just some niceness. And there's plenty of times that that hasn't. That hasn't happened. But do you. Have you ever seen a comment that either, like, either really hurt or just stands out to you? Like, he doesn't even know me. Why would he say that?

[Mike Glover]

I have that. So one of the ones, I did a segment for Black Rifle Coffee on pro tips, and I'm just. I'm. I'm having fun with it, so I'm just talking. I'm not. I'm not doing anything constructive. A lot of it was just banter. But I basically said, dry firing sucks. And to evolve your game, you need a dry practice, meaning you don't just need to stare at a pasty with a pistol and pull the trigger in one movement. You need to draw your gun. You need to move laterally. You need efficiency and movement built. But nobody saw that part. They only saw the part where I said, dry firing sucks. And then it came out on the Internet. They clip the clip of me just saying, dry firing sucks. Course. And what's ironic is we actually teach dry firing at Fieldcraft, and we had at the time a YouTube video on how to dry fire efficiently.

[Brent Tucker]

Right.

[Mike Glover]

And. And obviously, if. If you went to the unit or. Or spent any time in special operations, I remember an OTC staring at a wall for weeks dry firing a pistol on a pasty.

[Brent Tucker]

Here's now that. I haven't thought about this for a while, but you got me thinking about things.

[Mike Glover]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

I referred to. We were watching a. A breakdown video of a suspect in a car with. With a. With an ak. It was like a mini ak. I forget what it was called. It was like a smaller version of an ak, and he had a magazine that was in the gun. I referred to it as a clip. I really don't do that Normally, but with AKs, I will. Because it's a banana clip.

[Mike Glover]

It's a banana clip, right? Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

And someone saw that I had referred to it as a clip, and he was like, all right, I can't take this guy serious. I don't even think he was in the Delta Force. No OP, no Tier 1 operator would ever refer to that as a clip. I'm going, that's your standard of whether I was an operator or not. It's because I used the term clip. That's so good.

[Mike Glover]

One petty.

[Brent Tucker]

That's so petty.

[Mike Glover]

One him. Zero us.

[Brent Tucker]

All right, what else you got, Drew?

[Drew Tucker]

Well, speaking of, you know, the. The critics from the. From the audience and of course, no, there's nothing negative here, but they. Somebody did ask is this rug, is it a trophy of war? And if not, why haven't you replaced it?

[Brent Tucker]

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[Drew Tucker]

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[Brent Tucker]

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[Mike Glover]

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[Drew Tucker]

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[Brent Tucker]

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[Drew Tucker]

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[Brent Tucker]

I'm tough. So there's. There's Syrian. I wish I would go back and do. And the fact that I didn't get a massive custom made rug from Afghanistan haunts me to this day. They'll make a dive logo for you. They'll make it into like Halo wings, the SF crest. They'll do whatever you want for like 200 bucks.

[Mike Glover]

Y of op fun. So it's free.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah. Yeah, that's. That's a regret in my life and I always meant to do it and I just never did. I got a question for you. You know guys are going back to. To Vietnam. Not, not a lot of them, but some. Some do.

[Mike Glover]

Yeah. Magnus, right? Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

Do you think. Can you foresee in your 60s or 70s going back to. Going back to Afghanistan?

[Mike Glover]

I thought about it. It's the most beautiful country Even.

[Brent Tucker]

Even as soon as. As now. Yeah. Yeah.

[Mike Glover]

I actually, I'm planning a trip back to Iraq and I'd like to go to a couple mgrs grid coordinates that I have in Afghanistan. I. I think like one. That whole trip back for macv SOG operators is a part of their healing process. For me, it would not be that I don't have much trauma from that segment or section of war. For me, I have five rips to Iraq and a couple to Afghanistan. But I, I have fond memories of the isolation and being next to the Hindokush mountains and the river and the magic of that place.

[Brent Tucker]

Here's. Here's the, the, the flip side of that. I think those guys can go back to Vietnam with. With. With no problem.

[Mike Glover]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

No safety concerns.

[Mike Glover]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

You can go back to Iraq right now with really no safety concerns. I'm of course, it's always a little. But it's low. Yeah, low in Afghanistan. The Taliban still rule it and I don't know if I trust them. Yeah, you know, I, I don't.

[Mike Glover]

Yeah, I don't. Unless you like, bonus taught them on the flat range and hooked him up with some CPV classes or something in exchange for your survival.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah, I'd love to, but I just don't know if I can. Trust me or I'd have to have like some verified thing like. Hey. Yep, yep. We have someone there. Like, you know, your, your safety is, is guaranteed. And someone else has confirmed that. I don't know. That's the only difference to me about going back to Afghanistan is it's still owned by the Taliban.

[Mike Glover]

No, you're right. That would be a high risk because they're all wild cards. You don't know who's left over.

[Drew Tucker]

All right. Holy FUC, says Mike. UFOs and Bigfoot. Any stories or experiences you can share

[Brent Tucker]

and do you believe we get this question for every, Every guest. They want UFOs and Bigfoot to be real. Yeah. So bad. Our last guest was an Oregonian and believed in Bigfoot, and so they got a win on that one. Oh, I, I do not. Mike, what say you?

[Mike Glover]

I, I don't. Not the Bigfoot for me because I think trail cams and how much time I've spent in the backcountry. Elk hunting.

[Brent Tucker]

That's what I said.

[Mike Glover]

I would for sure have seen it by now.

[Brent Tucker]

There's boat. We'd find bones that they have to die.

[Mike Glover]

Yeah, absolutely. You'd find something, some kind of trace evidence. But UFOs for sure. I mean, the idea. I'm very much so a Christian and so when I think about this idea that we're it. I also believe in spirits and potentially aliens. You can call it alien. I think it's very spiritual. So I do believe that.

[Brent Tucker]

Okay, I'll buy that. On the spiritual side, we've had, We've. We've talked about that before.

[Mike Glover]

Angels and demons. That's. I believe that that's right.

[Drew Tucker]

Holy fook. Let's see, Mike, what was the training like for being a guard at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier? As you look back on that experience, how did that shape you?

[Brent Tucker]

There's a well informed listener.

[Mike Glover]

I love it. So good.

[Brent Tucker]

I told you, our listeners are the best. They really are.

[Mike Glover]

Yeah, well, me and Britt talked about on the podcast because he remembered a story I shared in the Q course about some of my experiences and being hazed very young in the army in the 90s. There wasn't much going on. There was a lot of bored infantrymen, and I was surrounded by a good group of guys and was brought under their wing, and it was difficult. It takes on an average seven to nine months to earn your tomb identification badge through specific gates. And the attrition is higher than anything because the limitation is there's only, I think, 600 badges out of all the badges that have been awarded since 1948. I'm badge holder 470, and it took me nine months. So I was on the far right, extreme side of taking the longest to earn the badge, but it was very difficult.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah, I love that we got a chance to talk about that during the podcast because it's, it's. It doesn't, it doesn't get brought up. I don't think people know about, you know, how hard it is. I don't think people look at it that, that lens we, that we talked about it, like, for hundreds of thousands of people, even foreigners, that may be the only look they get at our military.

[Mike Glover]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

But the look they get is the most squared away to a millimeter uniform. You know, the, the absolute highest standards of, of, gosh, now I'm forgetting the word drill and ceremony of, of dnc. The highest level of professionalism. It's impressive. And if you guys have never said on the record, if you've never gone to the tomb of the Unknown Soldier and done a. Was it Changing of the guard, it's called. Yeah, it's just the reverence, you know, it's just. It's a special thing.

[Mike Glover]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

Special thing.

[Mike Glover]

There's a. There's a video of me on YouTube flipping the rifle. A couple of years ago, I went. I went and visited the tomb quarters, and there was a super squared away female tomb guard, which is pretty rare. And I've seen the, the not so good version of that, but she was super squared away. I watch her change the guard. She was the sergeant in the guard at E5. And I take the weapon from her and I do the inspection. I haven't done it in decades.

[Brent Tucker]

Right.

[Mike Glover]

And, and, and it's comical because I do the weapons inspection pretty fluidly.

[Brent Tucker]

Right.

[Mike Glover]

And. And pretty close to the standard of what. What is expected. And the comments, because there's like a hundred thousand of them. Most of them, like, who's this loser? Who's this dork flipping this rifle? That dude, he's a, He's a jokester.

[Drew Tucker]

He's.

[Mike Glover]

He's just pretending to be a tomb guard. I'm like, oh, damn, they're savage.

[Brent Tucker]

They're savage crazy.

[Drew Tucker]

If you plan to visit the tomb, make sure you bring your walking shoes. It's a long walk uphill.

[Mike Glover]

It is at the top of the hill. Yeah, it is.

[Brent Tucker]

It.

[Drew Tucker]

Well, holy f again, Mike, since you know Christian Craighead, AKA Obi Wan, Nairobi, do you know the complete story of what happened on the HR in Kenya in 2019? Did he walk you through it in any detail? If so, any. You can share another good question.

[Mike Glover]

Yeah, so he, he, I have talked to, to Craig Hagg about this and before he actually talked publicly about this, he shared the story with the. What he thought was an angel, basically giving him the warning order that it was about to happen. And that interaction for me is powerful as a Christian man who, who believes in God and my Lord and savior, Jesus Christ. And when he told me that story, it, it meant the world to me because it was, it was like my own confirmation bias that there we are in the presence of God always and the things that happen in our lives are by design. And everything that happened to him, including the things that he's went through, the trials and tribulations are all because of that specific interaction. And I think it's God's plan for him. So I, I love Craighead. I wish him all the best and I think he deserves the Victorian cross.

[Drew Tucker]

Yeah.

[Mike Glover]

And there's stipulations on it, there's a whole bunch of politics involved in it, but if anybody's listening to this from the UK or has the input, he, he, he should be given the Victorian cross.

[Brent Tucker]

Agreed, Mike.

[Drew Tucker]

Glocker Sig, do you sit or stand to pee? Have you ever pulled your taint. All questions on Brent's pre qualification to be a guest on the show, it should be.

[Brent Tucker]

There's a lot of, there's a lot of inside jokes. Oh, I love that on, on this one. But a lot of inside jokes, yet very serious at the same time.

[Mike Glover]

Yeah, I have to answer those immediately.

[Brent Tucker]

Glocker Sig.

[Mike Glover]

Glock.

[Brent Tucker]

Yes, yes.

[Mike Glover]

Clock 17. I carried that. I mean, I carried it everywhere.

[Brent Tucker]

But do you sit or stand to pee?

[Mike Glover]

Sometimes I sit. Okay. I, sometimes I sit because Drew says that's okay.

[Drew Tucker]

That's okay.

[Mike Glover]

When you get older and you got some prostate things working through and you think you're done, and then when you get into the living room like 100ft from the bathroom and it dribbles down your leg, you, you want to sit a little bit, just relax, just hang out, things Change. Yeah, things change.

[Brent Tucker]

I'm a. I'm a.

[Drew Tucker]

It's a weird.

[Brent Tucker]

It's a weird subject that we're on, but you want. You want to talk about where, like, you're so bullheaded about something and that you didn't even know there was an option. Drew's like, I said to pee sometimes. For starters, this whole conversation happened when I was.

[Drew Tucker]

He thought I said I was gay.

[Brent Tucker]

That's how bad it was when I was in a team, when I was at the team room at the unit, and I had read a. An article in a newspaper to. Talking about different guys who sit and stand to pee. I was like, I didn't even know this was a thing. Guys don't sit to pee.

[Mike Glover]

Oh.

[Brent Tucker]

So I go to the team room. I'm like, hey, anybody. Anybody in here sit the pee? And like, two guys are like, yeah, I do. Like, what?

[Mike Glover]

What?

[Brent Tucker]

I immediately go to the next team room over. Bus in. Hey, half the units.

[Mike Glover]

It's the pee.

[Brent Tucker]

Anybody here sit the pee? And one guy. One guy's like, I do. And the other guys in the team room look at him.

[Mike Glover]

Like, you said, they all got fired.

[Brent Tucker]

This is something men don't talk to each other about. Yeah, apparently some do and some don't. And. And go room to room asking, right? And the sitters don't know there's only standards, and the standards don't know there's some sitters.

[Mike Glover]

Did you try it, though, after that?

[Brent Tucker]

All right, so he does every time.

[Drew Tucker]

Every time he poops. He does.

[Brent Tucker]

Does. That's true. I was like, drew, you tell me as a man when it's okay to sit to pee. And he goes, well, sometimes I get up at like 2 or 3 in the morning, and instead of turning on the light and waking up, like, I sit to pee in the dark. And I'm like, that's actually not a bad. Oh, that's actually not a bad answer. And I can't believe I'm so dumb. I've woken up at 2 or 3 in the morning, and I just. It's never even crossed my mind. You do it. I'm just. Yeah, I'm just going to turn on the light and wake up completely, because sitting is never even an option.

[Mike Glover]

Or you piss on the floor and then guide it in because you hear

[Brent Tucker]

it and you're like, that's where it's at. That's.

[Mike Glover]

The wife will get that later.

[Brent Tucker]

I don't want to clean it up.

[Drew Tucker]

That's my. I'm just lazy. That's why I do it.

[Mike Glover]

Oh, he did. He did. Correct me. I saw. It's Victoria cross. I said Victorian cross, but, I mean.

[Brent Tucker]

And the last one was something about tank.

[Drew Tucker]

Have you ever pulled your tank?

[Mike Glover]

I have pulled my taint, yes. Three times. Just today. Just today.

[Brent Tucker]

Just today. I get it. I get it. I was at. I was at a concert with my girlfriend, and she wanted me to ride a mechanical bull. And I squeezed on as hard as I could.

[Mike Glover]

Something.

[Brent Tucker]

Something popped in between.

[Mike Glover]

Oh, your pubic bone?

[Brent Tucker]

That area? Yes. And. And. But that was the best way I could describe it. She's like, why'd you fall off so fast? I was like, I think I just pulled something. She's like, oh, what'd you pull? I think I pulled my taint. I was able to. This is the best way I can describe it. I didn't know the medical term for it. Yeah, like that. I walked like Kid Rock was there that night. Nickelback, if I remember right. Like Hank Williams Jr. It was a big, big concert, and I walked just fine, but I could feel it tightening a little bit by the next day. I couldn't walk. Oh. I couldn't even walk. And it lasted. You should have saw him.

[Mike Glover]

I thought he got beat up.

[Brent Tucker]

He could not walk up the stairs. Yeah, it lasted for like, three. Did you.

[Mike Glover]

Did you check it out? Did you look at it and check out the bruise in the taint?

[Brent Tucker]

I just rolled with it.

[Mike Glover]

Your iPhone. You like.

[Brent Tucker]

Where is this a Sparta? Man would have at least done that. No. No. Anyway. Oh, now you're all caught up on. On the. The live shenanigans. I think they'll. They'll probably remind me of something else. All right.

[Drew Tucker]

Anymore. All right. Does beer or does Bear grills.

[Mike Glover]

Sorry.

[Drew Tucker]

Does Bear Grylls x SAS Reservist give good survival advice? Outside of yourself, who do you recommend?

[Brent Tucker]

Solid question. Do you keep up with them at all? Because. Yeah, because of that.

[Mike Glover]

Yeah. You know, he's. He's. He found Jesus, which is cool, and he talks about God. He's doing documentaries on. On Christian history, which is amazing. Biblical history. I like beer, girls.

[Brent Tucker]

Look, you ever met him by chance?

[Mike Glover]

I. I have met him.

[Brent Tucker]

Okay.

[Mike Glover]

Yeah. He's an awesome dude. And he was a reservist SAS guy. And irrespective of his military background and experience, he's done a lot for the survival industry in space. And so technically, there's controversy because things that he filmed weren't so accurate. But he put survival and preparedness in a light that wasn't stigmatized with this tinfoil hat shit that exists. So I think he's positive. I think he did a lot. And then outside of yourself, who do you recommend? What's Jason's last name?

[Brent Tucker]

Born.

[Mike Glover]

No, not born. Statham Jason. It's Hobo Forge on Instagram. He used to be a unit medic. He was an. A squatter medic. I probably shouldn't have said that because he doesn't advertise that a lot. He doesn't like to do.

[Brent Tucker]

He does knives, right?

[Mike Glover]

Yeah, he does knives.

[Drew Tucker]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

I met him as a knife maker at a sentinel.

[Mike Glover]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

Foundation.

[Mike Glover]

Yeah, he was. He's a great guy, a great human being. He got me into bobbers and motorcycles. I bought a bobber because of him. But he's a good survivalist also. One of my old instructors that used to work for Philcraft, Kevin Estella, as a Bushcraft and practical survivalist. He wrote a book about it. It's like a hundred or 101 outdoor techniques or something like that. And amazing survival instructor. Like a good teacher.

[Brent Tucker]

I'm gonna tell you a story I just thought of now. Your company got an old friend of mine to. To reunite. Casey Hildreth.

[Mike Glover]

Oh, was.

[Brent Tucker]

He was at street cop convention.

[Mike Glover]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

In Nashville.

[Mike Glover]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

It was like four years ago. Something like this.

[Mike Glover]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

Anyway, I see. And I know I knew you were the owner. I was just going to go over there and introduce myself and be like, hey, tell Mike, you know, Brent Tucker says. Says hi. But I never went over there and said hi for whatever reason.

[Drew Tucker]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

And I looked at him like, that guy looks kind of familiar, but whatever. But a lot of guys do. He has, like, long hair now. He's put on like 30 pounds of muscle. It's not 40.

[Mike Glover]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

And. And he eventually comes over and he says something. It was like, hey, man. Just figured I'd come over and say hi since we're practically right next to each other. And when I heard him talk, I was like. And we'd been. We'd been the show for like, three or four days.

[Mike Glover]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

This is the last day of the conference. He comes over and says hi. And I was like, what's your name? He's like, casey Hildreth. And I was like, casey, it's Britt Tucker.

[Drew Tucker]

I've.

[Brent Tucker]

We've been in the booth. We went. So we were Q course friends.

[Mike Glover]

Yeah, that's right. Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

And then last time I saw a selection with him, the last time I saw him was me and him. I always screw up. This year, I want to say 2015 we did the 2015 USASAK sniper competition together. He was a fifth group. Chriff.

[Mike Glover]

Recognize that one?

[Brent Tucker]

No. I would have remembered if you were at that one then. Not that I have the year wrong. Maybe 2016.

[Mike Glover]

Oh, okay. I shot the. Yeah, I shot 14 and. And. Oh, 13 and 14. I shot.

[Brent Tucker]

Okay.

[Drew Tucker]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

15 or 16.

[Mike Glover]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Mike Glover]

He lost.

[Brent Tucker]

We end up getting second place. The third group, their soda constructors.

[Mike Glover]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah. Because they. They cheated. I'll die on that hill.

[Mike Glover]

Yeah. I've taken second. And you suck too. That's a bummer.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah. Let me tell you where it's the. The biggest bummer that I. I had underestimated is I might as well have just had like a really bad day and come in 10th to come to go have to go back to the Delta Force and come in second. I got harassed relentlessly for coming in second place. Relentlessly. Yeah. But that's.

[Mike Glover]

Yeah. Casey's good people's a one former a 15 guy.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah. Love that guy. Forgot to tell you that story.

[Mike Glover]

Handsome fella too.

[Brent Tucker]

Very handsome fella.

[Drew Tucker]

Yeah. Just another 11B. Mike, besides being born in California, do you still like it there even though you're wrong?

[Mike Glover]

Yeah, I actually do. I love California. I love the people. I spent a lot of time. I was post certified in Cali and I taught a counterterrorism course to cops. And California law enforcement are really good. They're really squared away. There's. They do a lot of heavy lifting because that place is a hole in a lot of places.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Mike Glover]

And so. But I. I was born in Fort Word. I started Phil Craft in a small town called Jackson, California. A small gold town in Amador county where the sheriff was good to go. There's amazing people, amazing scenery, amazing food. It's just the politics, man. Like Mater Bass this. And Spencer Pratt has got robbed.

[Brent Tucker]

Got robbed.

[Drew Tucker]

Absolutely.

[Brent Tucker]

I go to Bakersfield almost every year to be either a guest speaker or. Or be a part of the event for Wounded Hero foundation whf. And Bakersfield is an amazing place full of cowboys and. And people still working on in the oil field.

[Mike Glover]

The Ag Belt.

[Drew Tucker]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah. They're. They're great. And I do. Last time I was in Southern California, I actually got. For the first time I didn't hate California. That's when I realized. I think my. My hatred. That's. To be dramatic for the term.

[Mike Glover]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

For California is a little bit skewed because I love California. The place, the trees are amazing, the weather is amazing, the geography is amazing. If it is a better People are going to hate me for this. It is a better place geographically than Florida. I love Florida.

[Drew Tucker]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

Which makes me almost even more upset about really just Southern California screwed up the politics cuz they screwed up an absolute heaven of a place.

[Drew Tucker]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

It's one of the coolest places in America.

[Drew Tucker]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

You can go to the beach one day, the mountains the next, the mountains the next. You can be laying out in the sun. And at night, because the humidity is pretty low, you still gotta hang. You still gotta walk around with a, you can walk on with a hoodie on.

[Mike Glover]

Yeah. It's awesome. If it wasn't for the naked bum stealing your lobster rolls on the back decks of restaurants.

[Brent Tucker]

That goes back to politics. Yeah. All right.

[Drew Tucker]

Solely says thoughts on death of Logan Melgar by SEAL Team Six, etc.

[Mike Glover]

Yeah, I, I didn't know him personally. I, I crossed paths with him at some point. I think it's a tragic situation. Look, I, I've been downrange kind of in isolation in different countries with team guys, both from devgu and other organizations. And there's a lot of jackassery that happens. There's a lot of shenanigans between rivalry organizations. And I could see that happen. I could see it going wrong and I could see somebody getting hurt or even this circumstance, somebody getting killed. I've never been part of seeing that kind of take place. But I, I don't know if I buy into the idea that these guys just murdered him over op fun, over a circumstance where they thought they were going to get rolled up. I think they were screwing around with him and he, he, he got, he got dead. I don't know the specifics of it, but it's tragic all the way around because it never should happen.

[Brent Tucker]

Obviously this is what I hate the most about this. It's not crazy to me that there's always a wild card that says something off the wall.

[Mike Glover]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

Just a bad plan or just something stupid that no one should do. He's a wild card.

[Mike Glover]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

There's a wild card in almost every unit or two.

[Drew Tucker]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

But usually they ended up being two MARSOC. If I remember right, two MARSOC guys there and two guys from SEAL Team 6 that were part of this plan.

[Mike Glover]

Yep.

[Brent Tucker]

The craziest part about it isn't that this guy hatched this, this plan, it's that three other guys are like, yeah, let's do it.

[Mike Glover]

That sounds, that sounds perfect.

[Brent Tucker]

That's the craziest part.

[Mike Glover]

That is crazy because typically you're right. The ratio is like one dude out of two dudes is gonna be like, bro, what are you guys thinking? Is dumb, right? Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah. That's the craziest part of that story to be.

[Drew Tucker]

Soly says are funds for informants being stolen by us. Sof a problem? Is stealing rare?

[Brent Tucker]

That's a no comment. That's. That was a. There's a question.

[Mike Glover]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

Are funds for informants been stolen by us? Off. Okay. Is stealing rare? I'll just, you know, I only. Only know one way to be, and that's. And that's honest, whether it's with the good, bad, or the ugly. Does it happen? Yes, it happens. Is it rare? Yes, it is. It is. It is not the norm. I'll say that. But does it happen? Yeah.

[Drew Tucker]

And how much did you get?

[Mike Glover]

A Harley and a Ford F150 Raptor.

[Brent Tucker]

It happens.

[Drew Tucker]

Solely says thoughts on Pentagon blaming Green Beret officers for Tango Tango ambush. Says they gave false plan to get approval for operation they weren't equipped for.

[Brent Tucker]

Good question.

[Mike Glover]

I have intimate knowledge of this. Unfortunately, my old team leader on 366, which we talked about on the podcast, was. Was one of the commanders involved in this. He was actually of the commanders that got fired. And also the group commander was a personal friend. I. I consider him a friend. So. 1. The red tape that staff officers at higher echelons in, in whether it's in Sija Sodif or name the command center, have made it very difficult for guys on the ground to do their job. Now, with that being said, I also know, and I've interviewed the wife of one of the guys that was killed on the ground. With that being said, any organization outside of JSOC because of the assets they bring to bear, any special forces organization would have been put in the same situation because they were outnumbered, they didn't have overhead isr, and they were basically set up so they. They. They did the right thing because they wanted to be proactive and go after bad guys. And a lot of times I've been on oper, in fact, that same captain or that same same. At the time he was a lieutenant colonel when he was my captain, he would write up basically five W's and make some up so we can get outside the wire.

[Brent Tucker]

We all did.

[Mike Glover]

We all did. And. And that's. That's actually a reflection of a good leader, by the way, in combat. And so we. We got the job done. And I, When. When his name was associated with it, I knew that's what his intent was because he was a war fighter. He wanted to get the guys in the fight, and it just happened to be a circumstance where they were outnumbered. And tragically, some guys lost their lives. But that happens in conflict, that happens in war. That's what war is.

[Brent Tucker]

It's really difficult. They expect results from us, and then they hamstring us almost to ensure that we don't get the results that you're asking us to get. And then you question. Then you question why the guys start working in a gray area or do certain things like this. You painted good men into a corner. And they're not liars, they're not deceivers, but they. They will do what it takes to go after bad guys. Yep.

[Mike Glover]

And that's what you want.

[Brent Tucker]

And that's what you want.

[Mike Glover]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

And guess what? And when they get away with it and you know they're doing it, the. The op Sergeant Major knows it's happening.

[Drew Tucker]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

Most of the time.

[Mike Glover]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

Unless. Unless it's a bad one or. Or. Or, you know, there's a couple. Couple cutouts to that. But generally the ops object Major nose and was like, I know what you're doing, but yeah, this is. This is what happens. But when they get away with it, you don't have a problem with it, but when it. In the rare instance it backfires, then. Then you want to crucify him. I have a problem with that too.

[Mike Glover]

Yeah.

[Drew Tucker]

Solely back in says thoughts on Tim Kennedy and Brent going after him.

[Mike Glover]

So this is kind of new to me. I have been living under a rock for the last year, actually more than a year, been off social media for a year, and I am familiar with the circumstance. And. And I will tell you personally, look, I was. I went to Sodic with Tim Kennedy. He told a story in his book about me stepping up in Sodic. And when they wanted to fire him, it was during the field shoot. He had one shot left. I know because I was spotting him. Because when he failed the field shoot with his partner, they picked the top shooters. And it was me and Joe from B23, and we were the top shooters in the class. And he picked me and his partner picked another guy. When that happened, they really wanted to fire him because they didn't like him. And. And it was known in certain circles that Tim Kennedy was a target. Like he was a. He was an egotistical guy. They didn't like him. And my thoughts as a senior E7 in sodic was that the benefit of the doubt goes to the student. And I told Ricky, who was one of the instructors who actually came from B23, and was working as a civilian. I said, he's got one more shot. And he goes, no, he doesn't. I said, I have the round. You gave me the rounds. This is the round. He's got one more shot. And I, and I argued with the NCIC Eric from 10th group. And he said, the benefit of the doubt goes to the student. You got one round. Shoot it. If he hits it, he's. He stays in. If he misses, he doesn't. Well, he hit it. I called a win. A win call. That was pretty heavy because it was the furthest target on range. 66 was about 600 plus meters, which is nearly transonic for. For 308. We were shooting M24s. We didn't have three and win mags. And when he shot it, I knew it was a hit. It drifted in the target, hit dead center. And I was targeted. After that, I was treated like an enemy of the regiment. And despite that, I. We still place top shot. And then we didn't even go to graduation because we had to deploy to Iraq where we were with B squad in that rotation like a week, like days later. It demonstrated to me that despite being a Green Beret, being qualified, that based on how people perceive you, you could be targeted. And I know what that feels like. So I've always had empathy for Tim that way. When I got out of active duty and was in the guard in 19th group, I was his boss. I was his J3 sergeant major and I was a young sergeant major. I made it my first look. I was in my early 30s and we had kind of grown up in similar Sith Companies. Him, C37, me to B23. And I saw the good side of Tim Kennedy. I tell the story. I saw him, you know, go out of his way to help people, including a kid. We went to a charity event and he signed UFC gloves and talked to this kid about being in the army and doing real good things and, and he. He changed his kid's life right in front of me. No expectations. I had no understanding of who he was behaviorally, nor. Nor knew his. His reputation. I just knew that he was a good human being. And I still believe that today, despite the errors that he's made. And he's made many errors and despite Brent calling him out, I think because I come from a background as a Baptist in North Carolina, as a Christian, and my mom raised me the right way, my wife reinforces that the home it is in me to forgive him for the mistakes he's made because I have fallen short myself, and I think that's all of us. Brent's communicated to me about how he's fallen short and things that he's improving. And I think the best course of action is to learn from those mistakes and move forward. Also, I have four kids and I have a life that I'm living. So although I have an opinion, I'm not invested in this as heavily as some people because I just don't have the time. I just don't have, I'm changing diapers. I have a one year old, a two year old and two six year olds and, and it's a heavy lift. I love God, family and prepping in that order. And that's my focus. And I wish Tim Kennedy all the best. I wish Brent all the best and I hope that one day you guys could sit down in a conversation and talk through the difficult things that need to be said and can move past it. That's, that's my hope.

[Brent Tucker]

I agree with that. You know, even, even when I, when I did that podcast, it, I don't, I don't talk about this a whole lot, but I believe I've said it before, weighed heavily on me. I don't to some degree what's going on or what did happen about it, I was aware would happen. It would look like eating our own. And there is a, there is a perception of that and I get it. It would look like, you know, vets are tearing down other vets and the, if you, if you didn't, if you didn't really pay attention to the details and, and, and, and how bad it was, then you wouldn't understand it.

[Mike Glover]

Of course.

[Drew Tucker]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

And most people, and most people don't. And that's just, that's the reality of it. So when people don't understand it, I don't get mad at them because that's, that's, that's just the reality we live in. If you can't, if you can't tell the whole story In a 30 second short on Instagram, that's about all you're gonna get, you know, from it. And you're going to need to listen to a two hour podcast.

[Mike Glover]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

Of, of everything. And you're really not going to get that for, for most people. Here's a little bit of, of case in point about like the, the, the sniper story. It's not that part of the sniper story. It's when you rewind it back a little bit and he said that his shooting partner quit in the middle of a stock lane and Quit because he wasn't a very good sniper. And. And he quit because he had the self realization that he didn't have the discipline and he wasn't good. Good enough to be a sniper. Really Kind of dragged his name through the mud a little bit.

[Mike Glover]

And he's dead. I know that.

[Brent Tucker]

And he's dead.

[Mike Glover]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

And here's what, here's what's worse. He did graduate that sniper course. I know that. He did. He did graduate that sniper course. And the reason why you ended up shooting with them is because they failed. And of course. And I don't. I'm not going to get into details of this because only me and you have been the sodic. Really understand that. And I get. He probably just took some creative liberty. He made it sound like it was the, the one shot that you take on your stock and then they recreate that stock.

[Mike Glover]

Yeah. It wasn't that.

[Brent Tucker]

But it was a field shoot. But it was a field shoot. I wasn't gonna get wrapped around that. Could have taken too long to. To explain. But why they. Why they really had to do that is because him and his partner failed the field shoot.

[Mike Glover]

Yes.

[Brent Tucker]

And then when you reshoot it, you don't retake it with the same partner they split you up with with a new partner. So that way you can't blame it on the other person.

[Mike Glover]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

And I say blaming it like it's a bad thing so it gives you a fresh look with a partner.

[Mike Glover]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

And I know me and you will, since he's not really out, we'll just say his first name. Joey. Yeah. Friends with him as well. And he even told me, he goes, I'll tell you why Mike took that shot with Tim, because Mike was one of the best shots in the class. And we paired, we paired them up with strong shooters.

[Mike Glover]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

To make sure that they're. That you know, that they got a. A fair look at it.

[Drew Tucker]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

So it wasn't the second part of that story. It's the first when you set a guy quit who's dead and he didn't quit just so you could build up the story in a book.

[Mike Glover]

That's fair. He.

[Brent Tucker]

That's bad.

[Mike Glover]

That's fair. One. I. I know that guy because he was on a sister freefall team when we were training up with JSOC for Free Fall.

[Brent Tucker]

That's. And he died in a free fall accident.

[Mike Glover]

He died in a freefall accident. Some think it was self induced. But he did not fail in a stalking lane. He did not quit. He failed the. The reshoot on the test.

[Brent Tucker]

Correct.

[Mike Glover]

And, and, and technically they wanted to fail Tim for that and he didn't. In fact, what, what he doesn't mention and I, and I've told Tim this personally, which I find a little bit problematic is I said to him, the, the, the, the guy literally said, and this dramatizing the book, but it actually happened this way. He said, you got one shot. And the whole class was done, right? They're sitting in the, in the chairs or the bleachers, right? He said, you got one shot. You hit it, you're in. You miss it, you're out. And I called a wind call. That was heavy. It was a heavy wind day. It was like a 1.5 with anybody knows in a mill radian reticle. A 1.5 wind call at 6, whatever is. I think it was 670 meters is a heavy wind call for, for that weapon system. Um, so I called like a left 1.5 and he came off the gun and he turned around and looked at me and said, are you sure? And I looked at him and I said, tim, get back on the glass. And just was super calm about it. And, and when I, when we hit the target, I stood up and I didn't say a word to anybody. They try to fail me by giving me an extra shot on the last day of sodic and I took it in an urban environment and hit the target, no problem. But there was ego there. And I think one of the problems that Tim deals with is ego. And I think he would be humbled by. He's humbled by this experience. Obviously I haven't talked to him in detail about this, but I know he's humbled by this experience. He needs ibogaine, like many of us. He needs psilocybin, like many of us in 5 Meo DMT and it gets the best of us. I knew him as somebody who was different in his ego. When we were young E5s and he was E5, I was E6 when we used to do roll jiu jitsu together, I, I experienced that with him. But at his core, he's a good man, a good human being who has made a lot of mistakes.

[Brent Tucker]

And I won't say what we've talked about, but I, again, I believe I've said this before. Even through that whole experience. After the first episode, second episode, third episode, me and Tim were in talks.

[Mike Glover]

Oh, I didn't know that.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah, he called me. I'll call. I'd call him, we'd send text messages back and Forth again, those are personal things. So I don't reveal.

[Mike Glover]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

Personal things. But I don't have a problem saying this because it's not a bad thing. He was always very cordial with me.

[Mike Glover]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

Which is if you think about a little bit of. A little bit weird because I'm. I'm out there. And let's just be honestly. You have a guy trying to take down your. Your empire that he built, and he did build an empire.

[Mike Glover]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

And he's gonna have. And we had. If you didn't know that we were in the middle of this public debacle, you'd have thought we were just two old teammates talking on. Talking on the phone together.

[Mike Glover]

Yeah. You know, which I think how it should be. I think we were very.

[Brent Tucker]

We were very cordial. Cordial. And everyone. Everyone I talked to always said the same thing. Hey, Tim. Tim's a. Tim's a good guy. He's a really nice guy.

[Drew Tucker]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

You know, but then they would, you know, still tell the truth and. And things. But I. I got that time and time and time again that he was a good dude, which did make it harder to do that episode, knowing that he's. He's a nice guy. But I'm. And I'll say it again, he's never. He's never really come clean about it.

[Mike Glover]

Yeah. And for you, it's principle. It seems like it's principle.

[Brent Tucker]

It's just. It's just principle. But my goal, my end goal was never to expose Tim Kennedy. My goal is to set the record straight. And I said this at the end of that podcast, which was, hey, the same thing you said. I'm not perfect, Tim. I just did different things, you know, that. That are wrong, and this is wrong. It's now in the open. We're just asking you to correct the record and then go out and continue to do good things. And if you come out and apologize, and I was never looking for, like, I want you to come out here, bend the knee, and give me an. Itemized down the list, you know, apology for everything you've done wrong. That'd be a dick move.

[Mike Glover]

Yeah. You know, you just wanted him to go through it.

[Brent Tucker]

Just go through it. And I said, and guess what? And we'd welcome you as a community. We would welcome you back with open arms, and I'd be the first one to come up there, have a beer with you, hang out, post on ig, welcome back to the fold.

[Mike Glover]

And he never did that.

[Brent Tucker]

And he never did that. But guess what? That offer still stands. And that offer. Will. Will. Will always stand.

[Mike Glover]

I'd like to see that.

[Brent Tucker]

I'd like.

[Mike Glover]

I'd like, as somebody who knows you both and respects you both, I would like to see that.

[Brent Tucker]

All right, what else we got?

[Drew Tucker]

Some MILSOM nerd says what's current mission of CIF and why POTUS psd.

[Mike Glover]

I've. As a member of the sif, we. We do POTUS psd. I've actually done it in Africa before. We've been tasked just like the unit to do that, usually overseas. Oh, usually overseas. And if the units on the mission set they have priority, like they're closer to the asset or the. Whatever you call it, what you want to call him, this his code name or whatever. But we. We're on the outskirts in containment, and the Sith's current mission is fluid at the point. Now it changes, like, daily, but I thought it was deep underground. I thought they were doing some Doug stuff.

[Brent Tucker]

That. That was at one point. At one time. I know that's accurate. I haven't talked, which the unit doesn't. Guys, they just pawned it off on the surf. Oh, I hate that. I hate that mission.

[Mike Glover]

It's the worst mission ever.

[Brent Tucker]

I'll only talk this to this about you, because SF I view as kind of like your little brother, right? To some degree in this aspect. Like, I can talk bad about my little brother. Don't you dare talk bad about my little brother. Yeah, I'm a proud Green Beret and.

[Drew Tucker]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

Always will be.

[Drew Tucker]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

This is what I don't like about what they did with. With the CIS or Chris, whatever you want to call them. SF is so good about planning. They're so good about planning. And higher headquarters, if you ever presented them a plan and then they had one question and. And your plan fell apart based off of one question. They'd come down on you so hard.

[Mike Glover]

Oh, yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

Rightfully so.

[Mike Glover]

Yep.

[Brent Tucker]

So why is it when headquarters does something like this and says, all right, we're gonna do away with the Kriff? And then the one question is, what are you gonna do with them? And they go, I don't know what we're gonna do with them. How does that fly?

[Mike Glover]

It's insane to me. It's insane.

[Brent Tucker]

Absolutely insane.

[Mike Glover]

It's insane.

[Brent Tucker]

They did away with a premier unit with absolutely no real plan. And then they were like, all right, well, what are we gonna do now? It's too late. We've already said it. And put it into motion.

[Mike Glover]

I hate that.

[Brent Tucker]

That one blows my mind.

[Mike Glover]

It's hor. And I hope they. You know, the j. The JSOC integration is. Is super important for the sif, but because us, US Special Forces Command doesn't own them, and they know they're outsourced. They hate it. They hate that they don't have control. And. And we. We were always in a position like, wait, who's. Who's got us? Who's got tactical control? Well, when we went into theater, it was task force. They owned us. JTF owned us. JSOC owned us. But when. Whenever we got back, they're like, no, we own you now. And so they would make us do these insane things, these insane requirements, when that wasn't our mission set. And so it was this push and pull. And I honestly think the Doug mission, which I've done in the unit I've been on, I've been on one Doug where it was brutal. And I was like, I don't ever want to do this again. When that deep underground mission, if it gets pushed down to the sif, which I think it's. It's happened. It's. It comes with a line of funding and a whole bunch of opportunity for guys. And despite the. It being probably the worst mission set in the history of special operations, if it does happen because it's. There's a high likelihood now more than ever than it might.

[Brent Tucker]

Exactly.

[Mike Glover]

Then they will be at the tip of the spear until the unit comes in and goes, we're taking this.

[Brent Tucker]

Right. And that's what I was about to say. Especially with Iran right now. It's. It's a. It's a. It's a problem. And it's the units to be like, okay, never mind. We're not going to give it up yet.

[Mike Glover]

You guys go in first, we'll come in after.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah. What else you got, Drew?

[Drew Tucker]

Holy Fuchs says, Mike, your favorite and least favorite terrain to operate in and why.

[Mike Glover]

Well, I think. So that's a two for one. What about you with Syria, as far as the terrain?

[Brent Tucker]

Well, the. The terrain itself, I was gonna go. I was gonna go. Mountains.

[Mike Glover]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

Hate mountains. It doesn't matter if you're going uphill, downhill, scary. It's just. It's just tough terrain to fight in. And I'll add one more to that. There's. And it's good and bad, you know, like in southern. And we're kind of where eastern and southern Afghanistan kind of meet. You have this kind of shale, if not like open mountains, and then you have mountains. It's full of trees.

[Mike Glover]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

And they. I hate them. Both. They're both good and bad for. For both. When you have no trees, you have no cover. But when you have all that cover there, especially the bigger trees in eastern Afghanistan, they can almost move with impunity. And our ISR has a hard time seeing them.

[Drew Tucker]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

And so both. Both sides of mountain warfare and terrain just. Just sucks.

[Mike Glover]

Yeah. That's.

[Brent Tucker]

That's out of breath really quick.

[Mike Glover]

Yeah. At 10,000plus feet with. It's like Robert's Ridge terrain, that's probably the hardest to navigate.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Mike Glover]

Because regardless, you're in kit. I mean, I've done a rotation where we didn't wear any kit. I mean, we were running around in BDUs with recce rigs. The mountains most unfavorable. I would say the. The best terrain to operate in has been the urban environments, obviously.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Mike Glover]

Using little birds and helicopters to infiltrate. Right on the objective was an insane experience. And it's amazing. It's awesome. I was wearing Nike Jordan black Jordans because we were hitting those targets that had marble floors in certain sections. And you would get in there with a little dust or mud on your feet, and you slide all over the place. So I would go in there and then wipe my feet at the door and. And then have like a basketball court running around the house.

[Brent Tucker]

I don't think people realize this. When you go explosive breach. It may be clean in their note. You. You create the dust.

[Mike Glover]

Oh, yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

And you will put some slippery. I've seen guys go in there planting that foot because that's. And, you know, to. To make entry and that's. You know, they're making a dynamic move and just completely slide on their back like they got wheels on their back and just. It's crazy. I'm trying to think what they're called. But in Iraq as well, those I'm calling mangroves, that's not really what I call palm groves. Yeah. Palm groves.

[Drew Tucker]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

Oh, man. That's sketchy. This another. Every time I enter a palm grove, it's just the hair on your back stands up. On the back of your neck stands up. Because you just. You don't really. It. All your advantages are kind of taken away.

[Mike Glover]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

And by the time. Even at night, by the time you see them, they can probably see you.

[Mike Glover]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

It's. And you're. I'm not saying we're the hunted at that point. We're still the hunters. But a lot of our advantages are taken away. And. And I just don't like fighting fair.

[Mike Glover]

Yeah. Until we. Until the unit got Fusion goggles. You, you would go into a palm grove and it typically had a palm grove was surrounded by high grass and the infrared light on your laser with a flood would split off of the grass, right? And then you would, you would basically blind yourself out. And then you couldn't orient and, and get, you know, good acquisition of targets. And then the bad guys knew if they were in a palm grove, ISR had a difficulty seeing them. And then even when daps or little birds rolled in, they couldn't really penetrate the groves.

[Brent Tucker]

Just nothing but chaos, confusion was waiting for you.

[Mike Glover]

Yeah, I was on a target with the sif and it was a B squad on target. They gave up the target set because they had a, an HVT winded up being a real good target set. This is where Vinnie was killed. But they dropped 105 from the gunship and it was danger close for us. And there was 13 Libyan foreign fighters and it punched into the mud and exploded. And so all of them were still alive. So when we went to do BDA and walk across the objective, we're expecting just to assess bad guys and, and, and, and, and cap them one more time across the objective. And they were all alive with suicide vests.

[Brent Tucker]

And I'm like, oh, God, there's a classic case.

[Mike Glover]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Brent Tucker]

What else we got, Drew? Last one, then we'll go to, then we'll go to break.

[Drew Tucker]

Okay. Mike talks good of rrc. Any experience or story?

[Brent Tucker]

Why would you talk good of rc, huh? Why would you talk good of rrc?

[Mike Glover]

I like rrc.

[Brent Tucker]

We just had our first RRC guest.

[Mike Glover]

Oh, really?

[Brent Tucker]

And he was awesome rrc.

[Mike Glover]

So I operated with him when I was in Afghanistan. They staged out of our firebase for a couple months. And what I realized about our, it was at the time rrd, right? RRD was this weird segmented organization that kind of got away with a lot because nobody, nobody knew what they really did. And whenever the guys came in, it was awesome. They, they, they tried, they almost taught me in to go into RD selection. And the guys, I remember a story where these guys showed up and they had their commander with them. I think it was a captain, a young captain. And all of them had beards down to their knees. It was awesome. And they had hair that had been growing for years. And, and they had full autonomy to basically use all resources. And they were doing an infill into BK to Barakal, which is a, a safe haven for terrorists at the time because the furthest northern fire base in eastern Afghanistan was n. And we hadn't occupied BK yet. We had for a period of time, but we pulled out of it. And so these guys, it was like a three or four man team and they flew an MH60 by themselves to go recce this place. And they. And when they came in for the infill for the MH60, they had a couple bird package with ah, sixes and stuff or not a eight sixes, but I think it was daps or something. Some local close air support. And they had a Spectre gunship overhead. And I'm like, my controller is like, we can't get a Spectre gunship in a gunfight. And you guys got one for infield that we could see. And it was super impressive. They were super impressive guys.

[Brent Tucker]

Yes. I said it was one of the, the best kept secrets of special operations because everyone knows of them, but no one really knows what they do.

[Mike Glover]

Yeah. You know, they show up when something cool has come down.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah. When Mike Edwards, who was the guy who, who did the show, you know, said he would come on the show, I was like, yes, I would love to interview an RDRC guy. And it's funny, I was thinking about Mike because something we said that it can work for you and against you. What worked for them, which was kind of was working against the Sith, like are you my dad? Are you my dad? Are you my dad? Yeah. Worked for them because no one really knew who they worked for. But they were so small, I mean they're really small, really small that they were like, I don't know who owns you so do what you want.

[Mike Glover]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

Was kind of what they. They got.

[Mike Glover]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

And that. And that worked out for them.

[Mike Glover]

I went through GRS selection with a sergeant major from battalion who was an RD guy in Bosnia. And he told me a story which I'll just par paraphrase the story. They were 3rd guys in a barn and they were hiding and they had three bad guys come into the barn to bed down for the night and they killed these guys with gator knives. Remember the old gator knives? It's like the rubber handle and it's a old flip flip knife. Just a shitty gator knife. And everybody had them. They all had gator knives. And they didn't want to compromise the entire element because there were all their buddies were outside the barn. They literally killed them with their hands. And I'm like, that couldn't have happened. And they're like, it happened. And he told me this story. I'm like, dude, how is that, how is that Are you kidding me? And they're like, yeah, we snuck down from the. From the rafters. Like a movie.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Mike Glover]

We got on top of them and we each took one guy and killed them silently. I'm like, whoa.

[Brent Tucker]

Like I said, those guys, the best kept secret and special. Everyone knows of them, but no one really knows.

[Mike Glover]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

And it's. And it's awesome. That's awesome. Drew, it is 9:30. We're a little late for the halftime show, but we're due. You ready?

[Drew Tucker]

I'm ready.

[Brent Tucker]

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[Mike Glover]

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[Drew Tucker]

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[Mike Glover]

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[Brent Tucker]

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[Drew Tucker]

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[Brent Tucker]

All right, well, squeezing in some pizza.

[Mike Glover]

Like a house that.

[Brent Tucker]

Hey, guys, I, I want to remind you guys, this is. Of course I know you're a businessman. It's an open invite to you. But told you about our friend Darren Beheeler. He's the, he is one of the founders of 50 for the fallen. So a non profit that helps veterans. We got a big September 11 gathering at New York City.

[Mike Glover]

Wow.

[Brent Tucker]

And they're going to do a rock and then we're going to be at the, the monument of the horse soldier. It's a really big event.

[Mike Glover]

Really cool.

[Brent Tucker]

Us and the tier one family are, are going up there and we're going to be a part of it. So guys, please, please go to the 50 for the Fallens website if you're interested in more details for that. I'm sure Bo is watching and if there's anything else he wants to throw in there, he, he usually super chats and announces his. His presence. All right, give me one second. That website is 55zeroftf.org 50 for the fallen guys who do a lot of great work. All right, This is Drew's opportunity to take a break. So I'll read some super chats here from Tate 1999. Greetings from Germany. I love it. They, they tune in from everywhere.

[Mike Glover]

I love that.

[Brent Tucker]

It's crazy when you go to like the analytics of your channel and you see, you know where all countries. Yeah, I'm like, how do they.

[Mike Glover]

I don't. Did you open it up to the globe? Is that a setting or something?

[Brent Tucker]

No, it's just a. Just a YouTube thing.

[Mike Glover]

That's really cool.

[Brent Tucker]

You can go in your analytics and they'll tell you where they all tune in from. It's crazy. Anyway, did any of you guys have experience with the German military? For example, the KSK?

[Mike Glover]

I have. During that my A1 rotation in Afghanistan, we were co. Located with the Germans, and part of my responsibility as the recon NCO was to coordinate for RECCE operations. And were you mes by chance? We were in Kundu Ku. Okay.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Mike Glover]

And when we. When we established that base, we were the new guys in town. But the Germans were really respectful. The problem with the German hierarchy in the military is they look down on enlisted men. The command structure is very monarchical, and so the officers, all the staff was there, and the KSK had their little team house. And when I went over there, this is no exaggeration, it looked like a movie. Everybody was tanned and jacked. There was a dj, there were dudes in booty shorts, like, even the, Even the, like the, The. The underwear, like the, like the, The Speedos playing volleyball. And they were super cool. We. We got. I think we did some stuff together, but they were so hamstrung because they hadn't been out the wire because the German command structure. And this is, this is a. An actual event. Our command structure, which was way more aggressive, forced them out of the wire. And the first time they went out of the wire, they hit an IED and they were sending sit reps back that it was safe and everything was good. What's safe and good when. Not the ksk, but the, the big German military. It's safe when you're not really doing anything right. And. And so the KSK got spun up, but again, they were hamstrung. And I think the little birds, the eight sixes, supported that and loiter and some of the guys, some of the team leaders were getting a package together to go help them, but that. That didn't happen. But I, I do have experience with ksk, and I think they're amazing soldiers. They have deep pride, but because of cultural differences and that whole World War II thing, they have a lot of stigmas and it's very difficult for them to navigate.

[Drew Tucker]

Agree.

[Mike Glover]

You have a lot of experience with ksk.

[Brent Tucker]

No, not. I really actually don't. Almost, oddly enough, almost everything you said is pretty much my, My experience with. With them as well.

[Mike Glover]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

And most I must say, most, not all. And I guess we. We've lost the ability to talk in generalities in this country. Yeah. Most NATO forces were not very kinetic or offensive during the gwat.

[Mike Glover]

That's right. Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

Yes. Some people got after it. Some people were better than others. Or some parts of that country, their soft units got after it. But generally speaking, they were more than happy to play a support role and even a support role with. Within the wire. Yeah, of course I can. I can name ones that were great. The. The Canadian infantry went out there. They're in the south, and they. They did some good things and some present patrols and made their. Made their presence known. Kansoff was. Was great. The Brits do what the Brits do. Australia is great. But we. But we had a lot more countries than that supporting us. And they. They. They. They didn't all equally pitch in.

[Mike Glover]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

And that's. That's also a. A fact. All right, Drew, you're back, but I'll read one more so you can see where we're at.

[Drew Tucker]

Yep.

[Brent Tucker]

This one. Some. Mills Simnerd. Both. Ever work with jpn? Guessing that's Japan or Korean soft. How was it?

[Mike Glover]

I've never worked with either. Yeah. Which is weird.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Mike Glover]

I mean, one of the questions you asked me in the. The gun. What is it called?

[Brent Tucker]

The two Between Two Guns.

[Mike Glover]

Between Two guns.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah. Between two guns episode during my time

[Mike Glover]

in first grade group.

[Drew Tucker]

I.

[Mike Glover]

I never was in first group, but.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah. Well, they didn't probably let you work with them because they were. They were unsure of your allegiance.

[Mike Glover]

Yes.

[Brent Tucker]

Is that a pot? Is that a possibility?

[Mike Glover]

Half of my family got divided into North Korea, and so there's some. You know, my. My security clearance has a couple.

[Brent Tucker]

Is that true? Does some of your family.

[Mike Glover]

I. I think it is, actually. I don't know if I can say this on the air, but I think.

[Brent Tucker]

I didn't ask you what's your. What's your ethnicity?

[Mike Glover]

I'm half Korean.

[Brent Tucker]

You have Korean.

[Mike Glover]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

Okay. Yeah, but that's what disturbs me. You don't say south or North.

[Drew Tucker]

Yeah.

[Mike Glover]

Korea is a unified front.

[Brent Tucker]

That means North. All right, what else we got? Drew?

[Drew Tucker]

He's torn.

[Mike Glover]

I'm torn inside. Half of me is torn from the waist down.

[Drew Tucker]

All right. Holy Mike. Your favorite foreign military unit to work with both in and outside of combat. And watch high.

[Brent Tucker]

What you got, Mike?

[Mike Glover]

Oh, that's a. That's a real good one here.

[Brent Tucker]

This is having to answer some questions.

[Mike Glover]

Yeah. This is going to be really. Probably not the answer that people Expect. But it's the Iraqi mil. The Special Operations Command.

[Brent Tucker]

Isof.

[Mike Glover]

ISO. Well, it's. It's ictf.

[Brent Tucker]

Ictf. Okay. So. Yeah, I know exactly what you're talking about in the difference between the two.

[Mike Glover]

Yeah. So ICTF evolved because they're pulled into Jordan, trained by A15 and B23 in a rotation, brought, brought back into the country for counterterrorism operations. And you would, you would see an ISOF operator or ICTF operator. There's a difference between the two. Yes. And you would see ICTF and go, whoa, I've been in gunfights with ictf, and those guys have saved American lives also. They're the guys who unfortunately were left alone and had to fight ISIS in the initial phases of it, especially in Missoula. And a lot of them lost their lives. In fact, Issa, a guy I served with when he was a sniper, we. We did urban hides together, was killed in the Missoul push. And I raised money for his family on a GoFundMe and had it delivered Western Union to, To his family. They are the most squared away. And, and this is some history because when I was in Balad with a squadron, they were working with a unit going out, and they had to have a bipartisan force, and that force was only trusted to be ictf with the

[Brent Tucker]

unit guys grading them on a racky scale. Make sure you guys understand that ICTF is like their tier, is their tier 1 tier 1 element, and ISOF is like their tier 2 element.

[Mike Glover]

Like the range. It would be like the Ranger.

[Brent Tucker]

ISOF was great commandos. Yeah, but they were, but they are different than, than ictf. Yeah, but both from a vetting process and a. And a funding line, I mean, ICTF was. They, they, they weren't wanting anything. They. Yeah, they got a lot and deservingly so. They did a lot.

[Mike Glover]

They did a lot.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Drew Tucker]

Some members of the Nerd says opinion on EOD and any badass. Funny story of them.

[Brent Tucker]

My favorite. It doesn't really have to do with eod. It does, but not directly with the od. It's on the other side of eod, which sometimes you just get the truth from young American infantry grunts. I was, I was in SF doing a presence patrol with the 82nd. We just got in the country. We really wanted to get the lay of the land, and I was really impressed with that 82nd group, the platoon. So they'd been there about six months before us, and yeah, they were going to be another. Another. They're only halfway through their Rotation. They knew everything. They, as they should, you know, they knew all the players and all the neighborhoods. They knew everything about everything. And we went on, on a presence patrol with them and we found an ied. And I'm sitting there in, in the truck waiting for them to call the eod. He's like a buffalo, can't remember. They're in their really big mrap. They come out here and, and this gunner looks down at me and goes, hey sergeant, I got a question for you. Like 19 year old PFC gunner.

[Mike Glover]

What?

[Drew Tucker]

Bright.

[Brent Tucker]

I was like, what you got? Just call me Brett. What do you got? He goes, why is it we're in these shitty vehicles looking for the IEDs, but when we find them and we know where the IED is and there's no threat to it, they come out here in a vehicle that can withstand IEDs when there's no threat. Shouldn't we be in those vehicles and then they can take these vehicles out once we find them? I'm like, you're right. I, I have no answer for that. You. You. This is so backwards right now. I don't know what to tell you. You. You nailed it. That's, that's my EOD story in Iraq. Yeah.

[Drew Tucker]

Are there hand to hand combat SM in unit? How's them?

[Mike Glover]

Oh yeah, I love that question.

[Brent Tucker]

How's them? Dibs. Good. Dibs is good. They're. They're all either on the verge of being UFC fighters or, or former. And they're, they're really good. They're. I really enjoyed the, the combatives program at the unit.

[Drew Tucker]

Holy fook, Mike. What's something new you want to learn to do and why? Solid question.

[Mike Glover]

That's a solid question. There's. There's two, there's two things that I'm, I'm really learning to be better at. And I talked to your brother about it. I asked him the question if he went to seminary. He went to seminary. And I'm, I'm currently doing a show called preaching the choir that I do every Sunday, sometimes during the week. I, I talk about like a Bible study version of. It's called practice what you preach. And I am learning the Bible because it is something intently that I have neglected my entire life. And I, I have enough discipline today to prioritize my faith and my family. And that means carving it out and being obligated to do it for you. A lot of you guys are like, this helps me. It could be one person. It started out with one person and now it's a couple Thousand that follow it. But I do a Sunday episode where I talk about some connection with God and then my circumstance, the situation that I'm living through. I'm not a pastor or preacher. I don't intend to be that. I never went to seminary. But I'm just a guy who's kind of going through my faith journey and want to share it with people because I think people are in the same boat. And that's a huge part of my life that I've intentionally and deliberately woken up and decided to do. And it's. It's a. It's a long road.

[Brent Tucker]

Love it. I love that answer. Let me tell you something else in. In my journey as well. I think people remember the Bible as being very boring as kids being preached at. I grew up Southern Baptist as well. I wanted to fall asleep every Sunday morning that my parents ever took me to church and probably had to wake me up almost every Sunday morning we

[Drew Tucker]

slept together in church.

[Brent Tucker]

As an adult, when you read the Bible through a fresh set of eyes as an adult, you pick up on things that you would have never picked up on, like weird things. Like Jesus kind of talked trash at. At some points and said very, you know, I want to say outlandish, but, you know, said funny things. Jesus was kind of funny. I'm reading them all over again about King David. So I'm reading Saul. This is awesome. You talk about combat trash talk from the beginning of time, talking about David goes to conquer, reconquer Jerusalem and take it back. The king and his men march to Jerusalem to attack the Jebus, the Jebusites who lived there. The Jebusites said to David, you will not get in here. Even the blind and the lame can ward you off. What you talking trash to King David? The. They thought, David cannot get in here. Nevertheless, David captured the fortresses of Zion, which. Which is the city of David. And it goes on to say that basically they didn't have their, uh, their I's, their T's crossed. And he used the water shaft to. To go into the city and. And take it. But you say you read it through just again, like a fresh set of adult eyes, and you're like, that's. That's actually kind of funny.

[Mike Glover]

Yeah, there's some awesome, amazing stories, warrior stories.

[Brent Tucker]

Oh, let me tell you, some probably go back further than this. But like, the very first special operations unit was David and his. And. And his men. Yeah, that went around just absolutely wreaking havoc around there. So anyway, I love, I love to hear that. And I Said, guys, if you thought the Bible was boring as an adult, give it another try. You. You might think differently.

[Drew Tucker]

Let's see. Groff says. Mike, why have you previously misrepresented as being an assaulter in the unit according to Prank?

[Mike Glover]

I. I don't know why that's the case. It's. It's probably miscommunication because, I mean, there's no. There's no time in history, in my history that I've ever said that I was an assaulter in the unit. Now, I've killed bad guys in the unit, in the organization. I've rotated with them. I've been awarded medals, and I. I did a job, but I would.

[Drew Tucker]

And.

[Mike Glover]

And I would never even phrase it as an assaulter. I was an assaulter in B23. Operator is actually a technical military term. A lot of people don't know this, but it's a Tango identifier, which means that you're technically and legally given a very broad title and representation that has legal ramifications. And so I am not. I was never Tango qualified, and I've said that on many podcasts. In fact, the first podcast I ever did with Andy Stumpf and other guys, I've told this exact story. However, initially when I talked about it, I was pretty vague and indefinite about how I specifically outline certain things. Because in the unit, you're taught. What do you. What did you do in the military? I work at. You suck. What did you do in Use to suck? I was at cag. Right. There's a line of. Of store, a story arc, and there are some guys who have misrepresented themselves. But I've always clarified when asked, and honestly, I'm not ashamed of that. I had a good run. I had a good experience, and the unit is a period of my life, although short, a highlight of my career. And so Pranka and me, when. When I was on active duty or when I was off active duty and he was on active duty, he had a problem with a lot of things that I talked about. Ironically, he came out and did a lot of things that I was doing initially. As far as, like, talking about military experiences, et cetera. I don't have a problem with pranka. I think he's a good human being. I know he's a warrior. I wish him all the best, but I think that's miscommunication. It happened with an Air Force guy, a 2, 4 guy, who. Who I heard is a really good dude, who was actually an augmentee who augmented the unit and. And was on several rotations with SMUs. I don't know. I honestly don't know.

[Brent Tucker]

I'm actually glad that, that they asked that question. And because I got asked that question last week, I said, hey, Mike Glover's come on the show. It's going to be a good time. And like, hey, what do you think about that? And I said, well, I don't, I don't follow Mike Glover closely. I'm. I'm sure you're the same boat as this. Just because I have a podcast doesn't mean I watch podcasts. Actually, I watch almost no podcast.

[Mike Glover]

Same same.

[Brent Tucker]

If I watch a podcast, it's usually in preparation for, for someone. Yeah. Coming on the show. We already said Andy Stumps, one of my favorite podcasters. I've probably watched five episodes same of his. And I said, I have seen some of. Some of Mike's stuff and I haven't seen where that he's ever said that, but I haven't seen his whole library, so I can, so I can't speak with authority on that. And then someone else in the comments section said, well, you know, he says he was in the building at the unit. And I said, well, that's true. He was in the building and he was at the unit. And so if he's speaking in generalities, that is true. And if someone assumes he's an assaulter off of that, then that's, then that's on them, not Mike. And of course, you come on this. The show and we, they don't know it yet. We've already talked about that on, on the recorded podcast. But here's, here's something that, that probably does. Doesn't help you out. And it's. And it's. I don't believe it's your fault, but I'll tell you the. Not only do I not watch other people's podcasts, I don't watch my own pod. I definitely don't watch podcasts where I'm a guest on.

[Mike Glover]

Yeah, I hate doing.

[Brent Tucker]

Oh, I hate doing that.

[Mike Glover]

It makes me cringe a little.

[Brent Tucker]

I don't like it, Mike. Just because it came across my feed. Mike Ritland put out a short that said Delta Force operator Mike Glover. Oh, like who?

[Mike Glover]

Ritlanded?

[Brent Tucker]

Yes. Oh, yes.

[Mike Glover]

Yeah, that must have been his producer because obviously me and Mike have talked about that.

[Brent Tucker]

But because, because I'm, I'm in this space and we've already done a recording. You just got asked the question. You, you answered it. I already know. Guess what? I don't do my own Shorts. Yeah, someone does my shorts for me. Mike Ritland doesn't do his own shorts. And by. And I don't expect you to go look at every short put out there.

[Mike Glover]

Yeah. Is this the most recent podcast that I did?

[Brent Tucker]

I do believe so.

[Mike Glover]

Okay, so if that was, we actually talk about that. I mean, in, in the actual context of the podcast.

[Brent Tucker]

Right.

[Mike Glover]

And so that's a mistake.

[Brent Tucker]

Right. And. And I did watch that podcast in preparation for. For this. Like I said, you know, so, so

[Mike Glover]

anyway, and somebody, somebody said assaulter and operator are synonymous. What do you think about that? Because in. In the Sith, we're called assaulters.

[Brent Tucker]

All right, I'll. I'll tell you my initial thought. I'll tell you where I was humbled. And then I'll tell you where my thought still is. I said, I. I said based off of. Of my experience of growing up early G. What, that you didn't use the term operator 100. No Green Beret ever got away with calling themselves an operator. I mean, that was sacred terminology only

[Mike Glover]

reserved for the Delta Force for a Tango qualified.

[Brent Tucker]

Because that's the understood use of that. I was adamant. I was like, hey, operator only means one thing. You are a tier one assaulter. Because words have to matter. Otherwise, like, how do you differentiate between them? So because. Especially because of. Of terms of common usage. That to me is what an operator is. And no one else should use the term operator. And of course, you know, the 24 now uses it. The. The farm is called OTC now as well. Everyone's an operator. Civil affairs is an operator. SWAT guys are operators. And now we don't have a distinguish. We're not able to distinguish what the difference because there are levels of operators. I saw that someone sent me an old basic handout from like the 1950s or 60s SF and it talked about. It used the terminology Special Forces Operator. And they said that term. They're like, you don't own that term. The Dulce forces founded in 1977. SF's been using that term for a long time.

[Mike Glover]

Wow.

[Brent Tucker]

And I, I could find, I could find it and show it to you, but it's like a paragraph. It talks about generally what, what the capabilities is of a Special Forces operator. And I was like, man, the 50s. 50s or 60s, it's old. I was like, I'm wrong.

[Drew Tucker]

That's right. Green braise, it's not yours anymore.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah, they took it. But then I went back again. But then I went back to. That is true. That. That may be true. But then it goes Back to. Well, at some point that. Now the only. The only difference I take is, I hate to say it, no one else took that from us. So, yeah, we stole that term. But now, because of, you know, common usage that I stand by. I still stand by what I said, I just realized that we stole it. No one else. Other people didn't steal it. We actually stole it.

[Drew Tucker]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

So I am protective of the word operator, and we've lost control of it. And now I. I wish somehow, some way, and, oh, by the way, talking to. To. To the. To the old guys in the unit, the old term operator wasn't cool back then. When they first started using it, it was not cool. Like people like operator, like, you work with telephones, like, yeah, what is that? So it became cool, and once became cool, they stole it. I'm like, well, it's. It's. It's time to use a new word again.

[Mike Glover]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

And then they'll steal that too.

[Mike Glover]

But I've. I've. I've often heard internal, the organization people saying, tango, you know, like, you're a tango. And it's the differentiation between qualified and not qualified.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah. And that's. That you're right. That's probably where it's going to have to go, because you really can't. You can't take that because no one else can have that identifier because that is unique to. To the unit. Yeah.

[Mike Glover]

Anyway, and there's something weird about it, too, because when I gr. When. I mean, when I, like, people were like, oh, so. So you went through support training or whatever it's called CSS or whatever. No, I never went through that at all because I went through operator training. And at the point in which basically you go. You go to specialty routes or free fall and everything else, I was told you got to come back in two years. And so when I came back, they're like, oh, you're good. Like, you're good to go on target, and then we'll figure it out later. Right. And, you know, we talked about this on the podcast, so I don't want to spoil it, but we had the conversation about, like, what that entails, like, going through that entire process until you cross the hall into Saber Squadron. You're not an operator.

[Brent Tucker]

No, no. And I could be wrong about this, which is crazy because I lived it, and I. And I don't know. I don't think you are guaranteed that tango identifier until you get out of. To get out of probation.

[Mike Glover]

Yeah, that's right.

[Brent Tucker]

So they can take it they can take it from you.

[Mike Glover]

Yes.

[Brent Tucker]

It's not, it's not permanently in your record. I think that's may they say a year, but I actually think it's like three years.

[Mike Glover]

Okay.

[Brent Tucker]

But. But I could be wrong. I could be wrong on that.

[Mike Glover]

I think I know what the pranking thing is. I have. I have obviously a lot of civic experience. I stood up a sith. I was an assaulter. I was a sniper recce guy. I was a sniper recce team sergeant. Most of my combat rotations involve being in the Sift company working with Delta. When I talk about certain rotations, he's a Navy guy. When I start to talk about certain rotations, I don't think he realizes that the SIF was part of Task Force 16 with 2. 2 SAS Ranger Regiment Red and green. And. And I've been like. I've. I talked about my commander, Tom D. Tommaso, who was the B squadron commander, who was been on target with us as the ground force commander. And, and that relationship is not well known to a lot of guys in the unit, but especially a guy who comes from a naval background. Right. I don't think that's well known. And I've said on podcasts I'm an assaulter. I was an assaulter in B23.

[Brent Tucker]

I'm okay talking about this because it's. It's over. And, and the color codes have been out there for a while.

[Mike Glover]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

Were you guys referred to as Task Force Black? What color code did you get?

[Mike Glover]

I. I've been asked that before, but I think we were Team SIF.

[Brent Tucker]

Okay.

[Mike Glover]

I think when we were with TF16, it was Team SIF.

[Brent Tucker]

Okay.

[Mike Glover]

At least on NCO, yours and BSM, it's Team Sith.

[Brent Tucker]

Again, not to be a spoiler, but you said it on the recorder. There's a lot in the record it says there's not that any of these tidbits are going to ruin is crazy if you think about it. To not go across the hall and say, hey, we have issues with you and you and I'll like the details of that is. Is in the recorded. But then to go to Iraq with a sift team that works hand in hand. With the unit.

[Drew Tucker]

Yeah.

[Mike Glover]

With the unit. Yeah. It's pretty crazy.

[Brent Tucker]

The irony of that is it was wild. It probably wasn't funny at the time. It's a little funny now.

[Mike Glover]

It's funny.

[Drew Tucker]

Yeah.

[Mike Glover]

It wasn't funny at the time.

[Brent Tucker]

You can't work with us, so go overseas and work with us.

[Mike Glover]

Yes. Yeah, that was that was not fun. One.

[Brent Tucker]

Okay. I think the Internet took a lot of the operator thing and made it popular.

[Mike Glover]

That's for sure.

[Drew Tucker]

For sure.

[Mike Glover]

For sure.

[Drew Tucker]

Yeah.

[Mike Glover]

Definitely the Internet. Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

You know, there's, we will, there'll be super chats there all night.

[Drew Tucker]

Oh, there's a lot. They, they, they exploded after the break.

[Brent Tucker]

Okay, here's, here's one thing I want to talk to you about. And again, like, we're, we're both similar as, as far as, well, we're, we're both big first responder fans. You know, we want to go train SWAT teams. We, we have realistic real world experience that not all SWAT teams have because they're not always opposed. Yeah, but they will be. You do this job long enough, you will, you, you will, you will roll snake eyes. And so they need that experience from us so they don't have to learn it the hard way the way we did.

[Drew Tucker]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

But at the same time, this is where I think I, I, I take it on the chin a little bit. As, as a veteran, there's a lot, I'm not going to name names, but there's a lot of bad training companies out there.

[Mike Glover]

Yes.

[Brent Tucker]

I hate, I hate to say that.

[Mike Glover]

I've experienced that. Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

And SWAT teams don't know any better.

[Mike Glover]

They don't.

[Brent Tucker]

They, they hear. They hear. This is a background, you know, it's a special operations background. They don't know enough to ask the right questions, like, this is, this should be good. They come in here and then when guys like us go in there like, oh, we have to undo this whole thing. And then SWAT teams get a little bit tired of like, what do you want me to do? This guy tells me to do this. Then another guy comes in and we just got good at this tactic. Now we have to do a different tactic and a different tactic. And to me, my answer to that is I think certain veterans are kind of making a buck either overselling their experiences or, I don't know, to. But it's a veteran problem, I can tell you that, because the law, you know, the law enforcement is looking at us and saying, hey, let me learn from you. And we have, and we have companies out there that are teaching things that, that, that aren't good. How do we solve that?

[Mike Glover]

Well, there's, there's only two organizations that I know of that institutionally do cqb, and it's the CIF and, and Delta. Obviously Dev Group does it. If you take a Whiteside seal. I've worked with Whiteside seals. I've I've actually managed them. When I was in B23, they had two of us to seven of them to kind of walk them through the ropes. We were E7s. All these guys were E5s, young, fresh out of buds, and they didn't really have, they had the gist of cqb, but they didn't have a schoolhouse that was committed to that, that was on par with the CQB that we were doing. The Sephardic is completely programmed by the unit. They had a, they have a liaison. Satterley was the liaison for years out at range 37. And so when I, like when I tell teach CQB or I talk about CQB, it, it is from the core structure and fundamentals of lessons learned from Delta. Right? I'm not making something up, bottom up. I, I'm taking cues. When I talked about, talking about comments, when I talked about single man cqb, I was taught single man. I didn't manufacture that. You know, the insult on the Internet is like, what the hell is this dude doing? I'm doing what I was taught. And, and familiarizing you is something that I think is beneficial because it wasn't taught as a common core competency. You're not taught single man CQB in a very collective task, which seems ass backwards because collectively you should do an independent individual core curriculum and then mend it together. And then that's the benefit of cqb. It's, it's, it's supported by all the guys. So I think the biggest problem is if you were a special operations guy, MARSOC guy, whatever you think you know cqb, but the, the reality is you were taught the gist. You were taught a fundamental, but you didn't do that as your job. Like the last part of this is I was a sniper, right? You're, you're so qualified. I'm so qualified. The only snipers in the US army in special operations are SIF snipers and Delta snipers. They're, they're, they're the three troop in the squadron and there's two teams per SIF company. That's, that's a total of 24 guys, I would say 20 guys for each group that's qualified as, as a sniper. Everybody thinks that if they go to Sephardic or to, for betting they're a sniper, so they come out and they go, I was a sniper. No, you were sniper qualified. You weren't designated as a sniper. So I think that's part of the, the hiccup and Then again, people not knowing the difference and they can't articulate it, I think on both sides. If you take, you know, a Delta Force operator looking at me and go, what does this guy know about cqb? Well, I know a little bit about cqb. I did it for many rotations as my job. But, yeah, sure, I'm not. I'm not the subject matter expert like you are. On the other far left of the extreme, it's like we do CQB because we've done it before in a school. That's not how it works. I mean, that's. That's at least not the subject matter expert that you expect to have.

[Brent Tucker]

It's. It's unfortunate, but it's true. And I don't. I'm blessed to have the experience that I have, because I could. I could. I could have joined a little earlier, a little later, or been born a little early later, and I could have zero combat experience, and I would be. I would also be just a schoolhouse CQB guy.

[Mike Glover]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

And there's nothing wrong with a schoolhouse CQB guy if that's all there is. Because you don't. You don't get to choose that.

[Drew Tucker]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

But when you have a schoolhouse CQB guy and a combat CQB guy and you get to choose, you have. There is a difference.

[Mike Glover]

Perfect blend.

[Drew Tucker]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

Right. One. The one knows the how. I like to explain it. One knows the schoolhouse basics, and I don't do away with the schoolhouse basics. Like, they're there for a reason.

[Mike Glover]

Building block.

[Brent Tucker]

They're a building block. And I will take shortcuts off of that, but I don't ignore them. I take shortcuts because I know what I'm giving up. And it's when people start taking shortcuts without knowing what they're giving up now, it's dangerous.

[Mike Glover]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

And it all starts with the long form of. Of cqb. But the why behind CQB, you learned in com, you learn in combat. That's where you learn, really learn the why behind it.

[Mike Glover]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

And when. And when you only know the CQB rules and this is what we do, you have to know the why behind it to instruct.

[Mike Glover]

Absolutely.

[Brent Tucker]

Now, the one man cqb. Is that a. Is that a GRS thing or GRS thing? Yeah.

[Mike Glover]

Yeah. Because we had. I mean, we were by ourselves. We had to cover a case officer. We had to have some tactic. And I. The first time I saw it, Evan Hayford demonstrated it to me, and I'm like, what the Hell is this wack shit? I mean, everybody in the class, unit operators, civ operators were like. Or SIF assaulters were like looking at. And we're like, dude, what the hell is this? And then we did a couple of sim hits with, with extracting the case officer. I'm like, this is beneficial because there is some, some, some technical components that work in that madness whereby the alternative is you're just painting the rooms with a, with a rifle, you know, overwhelmed by everything that exists or you just blow things off. This gives a little bit of nuance to it. And when I did that, I did with GBR GBRs and they saw a little bit of it, but the Internet just swarmed it because guys were doing like, oh, this is Mike doing Single Man C. Could be. Who the hell does he think he is? I didn't make it up. Guys, I was telling you what I was talking.

[Brent Tucker]

Is that where you were holding the rifle at the hip?

[Mike Glover]

Yeah. It's basically retracted underneath the armpit high where you can open up your field of view. And then if you're turning a corner, especially you, you could assess a threat without pushing the gun fully extended where you're over committed to that one problem set and not able to maneuver the gun in space. It's, it's, it's a good tactic.

[Brent Tucker]

I mean, yeah, I, I know. I, I always try not to, but I know at some point you just have to say it and, and hopefully people have listened to me long enough and know that's I'm not, you know, I'm not a, I'm not someone who looks down on my nose at anyone. But I have to be honest. At the same time, what irritates me is not that people. Let's see how I say this, right, it is kind of that people will comment to you about that. Yeah, I'll say it. The only people that should be commenting to you about that are people with equal experience or more. If you've never done it, who are you to tell a SIF guy and a GRS guy and a guy with multiple combat rotations and multiple GRS rotations and have the audacity to be like, what are you doing? You're wrong. That's stupid.

[Mike Glover]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

They'd never stand here and tell you that to your face.

[Mike Glover]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

Because you just ask them and not necessarily in a bad way be like, okay. Just trying to understand them, like, okay, well what'd you do? Oh, you didn't do half the things I did. Get out of here. Yeah, yeah. Again, we'll never say that out loud. Yeah, I'll, I'll say it real quick. I'll take that eight round.

[Mike Glover]

Yeah, but better you than me taking.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah, yeah, I'll take $25 million lawsuits. I'll take heat rounds. I don't care. I don't know. I tell everybody, they always ask me if I did anything I said I didn't do. I'm a knuckle dragon gun building.

[Mike Glover]

But you guys did a lot, man. And I think that's the overwhelming problem here is, is everything gets lost in nuance right there. There's. There's this idea that there's not this holistic experience here. I didn't like when somebody sees a 10 minute YouTube video of me doing Single Man CQB. That was a, a very robust validation or verification process in grs. And that was multiple combat rotations. We consider it combat rotations in grs. As, as a direct. I didn't work as an industrial. I didn't work for Blackwater Triple Canopy. I worked for the organization. And all I'm saying is this is a technique. And if you have an open mind, you could listen to what I say and take it with a grain of salt, add it to your kit bat or not, and just blow me the off and just call me an idiot. That's fine.

[Brent Tucker]

Let's. And I didn't watch the episode. Yeah, but I, I know you. I know your background. I know enough to, to send to, to send this with some sort of confidence real quick. If you have an option of 2, 3, and 4 guys. Are you telling, are you telling people one man should go into a room alone as, as a primary option?

[Mike Glover]

Never.

[Brent Tucker]

Okay, so what if you're by yourself and your only option is to go in by yourself? Don't. Don't you think you should at least have thought about that 100 before it's time to do it for real?

[Mike Glover]

Yes.

[Brent Tucker]

And, and here's, here's. He can tell you that you're wrong. And this is another thing that I've, that I've always hated, both in business and with the naysayers and, and my teammates, because there's always one or two of them, the guys that go, that plan will never work. That won't work. We can't do that. And then I always want to go, okay, don't tell me what doesn't work. Tell me what does work. Don't tell me what won't work in business. Tell me why it won't work and tell me what your ideas. Yeah, and so for a guy to be like, that's not that, that's not how you do one man cqb. Well, in a certain situation, whether it be home defense, whether it be a GRS of some sort of PSD having to recover an asset, there, there is a, there is a world we live in that someone may have to go into a room by themselves. Police officers are a great example.

[Mike Glover]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

Police officers do one man CQB all the time. Not because they want to, out of necessity.

[Mike Glover]

Yep.

[Brent Tucker]

So if that's not how you do it, tell me how you do it exactly. Oh, you don't know.

[Drew Tucker]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

Then shut up.

[Mike Glover]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I, I just, I wish got me on a rant there in, in tactical forums. I just wish people would have a more open mind. I, I, I've experienced this kind of behavior my entire military career. I went to the SIF and I said, why are we doing it that way? Because it's always the way we've done it. I'm like, but hey, have you thought about this? I don't have to think about that because this is the only way we do it. Yeah, but this war is evolving. You know the coin from the unit when Nate Nacy is it, Nacy was the CSM said the speed of war. That's the speed in which you need to operate and change and adapt. And if you're not willing to have that open conversation, then you're a square peg in a round hole. And that's how it's always going to be.

[Brent Tucker]

If that were true, we'd have never done offset walk ins because to the X is how we always do it.

[Mike Glover]

Call outs.

[Brent Tucker]

Right. If that was true, we'd never do call outs because that's how we always do. If that was true, we'd never have shields because that's how we always did it. We can go down that road. And it's really weird with tactics because I can also argue, especially hostage rescue, the tactics really haven't changed. They really haven't changed. Like the ones creating all these like new things.

[Mike Glover]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

There's, there's, there's aspects to them that have, that have changed. But even with deliberate, when you step inside that room, because at some point you have to go inside that room, it's right back to the same tactics that's been true since the 70s.

[Mike Glover]

Yep.

[Drew Tucker]

I don't agree with anything you guys are saying, but I, when I got to do stuff like that, I put my red coat on, I get my musket, I kneel right in front of the bad guy and try to reload. So.

[Mike Glover]

All right.

[Drew Tucker]

That's the way we've always done it. All right. Holy F, Mike. Your car collection, your favorite and why. What is your zombie apocalypse car and why is it a land.

[Brent Tucker]

I love it when they ask questions.

[Mike Glover]

I love that. So my favorite car is it's going to be my son Ben's car. It's a 1980 Porsche 911 SC. It's a rally conversion. I bought it from the original owner for $20,000. It's probably worth 100,000 today.

[Brent Tucker]

Nice.

[Mike Glover]

And it's, it's 60,000 original miles. And it is a car that I know I'm giving my son when he turns probably 18, if he's good. And then, and then it's a Land Cruiser because the FCJ 80 series, which is anywhere between 1991 to 1997, is the most capable off road vehicle with an engine that doesn't die. You might blow a head gasket, but that's a couple hundred thousand miles in and a solid front axle and the combination of adding lockers front and rear with a center lock differential, which is four wheel drive, I've learned that recently is the most capable rig I've ever driven. It's a vehicle that I used overseas. Many rotations, we had them going to the grocery store. But when I was in the CIA, we had LC2 hundreds, the new gen Land Cruisers. And they're amazing.

[Brent Tucker]

Here's one question. I don't know. We got super chats. We'll, we'll do a lightning round at some point and burn through them. But I don't always get to sit here and ask you questions. And it's one I didn't get to ask during, during the recording. When starting a business, it's tough. You can go with a known quantity, which is, which is training and shooting. And you guys, you guys do, do part of that, without a doubt. But you decided to focus on survival. And it's, it's always good because there's kind of a niche, right. But when it's niche, it's also a little unproven. And can you survive in this space? How'd you, how'd you land on that? How'd you land on survival?

[Mike Glover]

It was because of one training with JSOC and the Agency doing these high speed courses. You've been through them. Octc. When I went through octc, the official cover course in Richmond, Virginia, I was shocked at how little I didn't know about certain things like peacetime detention Going through peacetime detention in the unit, going through covert comms, going through hrock in the agency. These survival preparedness courses taught me a lot. Camp Slappy taught me a lot. Getting tuned up in the rtl. Like, I. I think survival and preparedness is a stigmatized genre that has been given a bad name because of just fringe.

[Brent Tucker]

Fringe preppers.

[Mike Glover]

Fringe preppers who think the world is collapsing. But when I talk about survival, it's driving to the grocery store. This Canadian dude who was killed in Montreal yesterday, who was shot by this female police officer, tragically, and this officer who lost his life. They woke up in a safe, very complacent environment. They never knew that this was going to hit them, and they never expected it. And my whole purpose in survival is knowing that even a small piece of information, applying a tourniquet, stopping the bleed, understanding, communication, having a plan, even just a little bit of that, if it impacts somebody's life. And I can get feedback that, hey, was in a car accident, I had a Phil Craft kit, I saved this guy's life that is so purpose and mission driven for me that it brings me a lot of gratitude and. And humbles me every day. So when you see that kind of feedback loop and you realize you're having an impact, it drives you and motivates you. And there's nothing that I would rather be in besides preparedness.

[Brent Tucker]

I love that you said that. I've been a very first responder to three very bad car accidents. And just. I'll just say, as a man, as a man, if you don't know how to stop the bleeding and put on, it's actually not hard. But you don't know what you don't know. And especially. And you don't always get to vote on that. You could be driving your family and someone runs into you because they didn't pay attention to the red light. And you can't save your own family with some really basic stuff and some really basic equipment, and that's survivability. So I love that you mentioned that one of the most dangerous things we do is drive on the road.

[Mike Glover]

Absolutely. When I was doing donuts in her vehicle, I was like, man, if I slap this guardrail.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah, yeah. If you'd have gotten the trunk, you'd have seen a med kit. All right, what else we got, Drew?

[Drew Tucker]

All right, solely, it says, what does the Bible say on being punctual, Drew? I guess I would say Proverbs 16. It says that the. A man plans his way in his heart, but the Lord Directs his step. Steps. So if the Lord. If I plan to be on time and Lord directs my steps to be late, what am I gonna do? All right, affirm Alpha says Svartak grad versus OTC grad.

[Brent Tucker]

Good job, Drew.

[Drew Tucker]

Thank you.

[Brent Tucker]

That's. That's a big accurate. That's a foreign acronym.

[Drew Tucker]

It's got fart in the word, though.

[Brent Tucker]

Sephardic.

[Drew Tucker]

That was hard.

[Brent Tucker]

Here's. Here's how I know someone's been to Sephardic or not. Are you ready for this? What does Sephardic stand for?

[Mike Glover]

Special Forces Advanced Reconnaissance. Target and entered and exploitation and target interdiction course.

[Brent Tucker]

I've asked that question that I could never remember it close to. And I'm close to that. To that. I could never get it.

[Mike Glover]

So Sephardic is managed by the unit.

[Brent Tucker]

And how long is it?

[Mike Glover]

It is two months. Oh, no, no, it's us. It's actually. No. Is it? I don't remember.

[Brent Tucker]

You know, it's worse. Someone asked me how long dive school was the other day and I couldn't remember how long is that school?

[Mike Glover]

Three weeks, four weeks?

[Brent Tucker]

No, I think it's six weeks.

[Mike Glover]

It's long. I think it's longer than four weeks.

[Brent Tucker]

I think it's six weeks. I think it's like essentially two weeks of pool, two weeks of open circuit, two weeks of closed circuit. But I could be wrong.

[Mike Glover]

Yeah, Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

I went to the school, I couldn't tell you how long it is.

[Mike Glover]

Yeah, Sephardic. I can't remember the length of Sephardic, but there's no comparison because Sephardic is more of like the high speed fam. Because most of your training is done in ojt and honestly, they don't. I don't think use of fake has the budget for it. OTC is long. It's not, it's not a short course. The shooting program is long as a long course. You get more reps, you, you, you come out more prepared and more proficient. You don't get those reps in Sephardic.

[Drew Tucker]

Brent, are there SIF groups in the uk?

[Brent Tucker]

No, No.

[Drew Tucker]

I was just wondering because if they, if there were, would they be called Sith Lords?

[Brent Tucker]

I knew something was coming.

[Mike Glover]

Yeah.

[Drew Tucker]

Aaron Farrell says thank you very much for the gift, Aaron. Thank you. Mike was one of the reasons I got more into training and becoming proficient with my everyday carry. I bumped into him at a store in Utah. He was incredibly nice to me and my wife in my brief interaction with Mike. He is a stand up human being.

[Brent Tucker]

You can't tell Me, I get those. I get those comments every now and again. And you. You can't tell me those aren't the best comments to read.

[Mike Glover]

Like, yeah, having actual interactions with somebody and then getting that feedback is, is, Is significant. I appreciate that response. And, and that's the thing about this Internet deal, is you could perceive somebody the wrong way and have an interaction with them in person and realize we have a lot more in common than we don't.

[Brent Tucker]

I'm gonna. I'm gonna butcher the saying as I normally do, but. But something like, you know, if you're 90% my friend and 10% my enemy, you're 90% my friend. But in this political world, this. And this is even now dragged into the tactical world, if you're 10% my enemy or think 10% different than. Than I do, you're 100% my enemy.

[Mike Glover]

Yeah, it's wild.

[Brent Tucker]

It's wild.

[Mike Glover]

It's wild. Prank is a great example of that because I, I really like prank. I think I was on his first rotation with A one in Kundu, and I saw him and some of the guys do some heroic things. I, I actually, he doesn't know this. I've never said this publicly. I wrote his V device, that rotation.

[Drew Tucker]

No way.

[Mike Glover]

I was part of headquarters element, obviously, and me and the dog guy wrote his award. And, and I'm not saying that like I did anything special. It was just tasked to me by the troops arm.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Mike Glover]

But. But I have a lot of respect for him and, And I lost some respect for him when this criticism came out because I thought it could have been hand. It could have been hand handled over a conversation. And I know they were reaching out and they wanted to put me on blast and all kinds of stuff, and I'm not into that, man. I. I just got. I got diapers to change. I got too much to do.

[Brent Tucker]

You know, it's crazy because now I really under. Really even more understand where you're coming from. I'mma. I'mma spin it on you that you. You sensed me earlier. Earlier. You know what I love, because I know I. Matt's actually a really likable guy.

[Mike Glover]

He is a likable.

[Brent Tucker]

He's a likable guy.

[Mike Glover]

I. I have pictures that I took of Matt down range and that I was sharing with him. And I loved him. I thought he was.

[Brent Tucker]

You and Matt hung out on a range.

[Mike Glover]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

You'd have a lot more good times than you had bad times. 100%, you know, exactly. Just told. Talked about me and Tim.

[Mike Glover]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

You know, 100%. It's one of those things. I think we're just starting to lose a little bit of a focus on it that. You know what? I bet we got more in common than. Than we don't. And if we ever met, we'd. We'd realize that.

[Mike Glover]

100.

[Brent Tucker]

It's like a Chris Ledoux song. This. This. This cowboy hat.

[Drew Tucker]

That's right.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Drew Tucker]

This cowboys hat For Mike, what was your experiences like with BORTAC or hrt? Which law enforcement teams impressed you most and which do you enjoy training most?

[Brent Tucker]

Another great question. I love questions like that.

[Mike Glover]

So I. I have experience working with both. I work with Bortax snipers. I shot the usasat comp with Bortech Snipes that were really good. I talked to the team lead that was on the BORTAC unit that went into the Uvalde, into the classroom, and he briefed me on what happened. I have a lot of respect for those guys. Yeah, HRT stands apart because on a couple rotations, I work with hrt, helping chop off fingers for biometrics. I thought it was a fun job,

[Brent Tucker]

um, before they said, you guys, you

[Mike Glover]

can't do that anymore, Bags. But. But I. I have a lot of respect for hrt. It's actually the job that I applied for and got into the program. I had a Quantico date. I was lined out to do that through the tr. TRT program, the. The tactical recruiting program, TRP program. And I was all set up to do it. I worked with HRT on several rotations and was very impressed by their skill set. But a lot of their organization is modeled after the unit because they were evolved and built at the similar times. And also the unit works a lot with hrt.

[Brent Tucker]

We don't have the same oversight, though, per se of HRT that we do of range 37. And I've talked to those guys. I've seen this. I know this is probably a bad representation, but I've seen their videos, and I'll go, that's not. It's not exactly how we do it. Yeah. But even though I say that, I've always said this about HRT because people want to compare them to the Delta Force or a tier one unit, and they're just. They're. They're honest questions. And I say, no, they're not the force. If. If they were, when they came on objectives with us, they could get in our stack. But they don't.

[Mike Glover]

No, they don't.

[Brent Tucker]

And they can't.

[Mike Glover]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

But don't get it twisted that's not an anti HRT stance. They're absolutely the baddest law enforcement has to offer, and they will crush whoever is in front of them. I'm sure of it.

[Mike Glover]

Yeah, that HRT guy that we had on that, a one rip stack stacked some dudes and he wasn't afraid to do it. In fact, when he went home conus I talked to him afterwards. He was on a Puerto Rico HR hit and stacked a dude coming back on leave. So I'm like, how cool is it? This dude's like down range with Defoe crushing it. And then he goes home and he's in Puerto Rico.

[Brent Tucker]

That's pretty cool.

[Mike Glover]

Yeah, that's pretty cool. On vacation.

[Drew Tucker]

All right. Teddy Brazil says, how come I rarely see CQB also encompass hostile guys that maybe aren't armed mixed in. Were you guys dealing with a lot of that, or was there not much middle ground between shooting and giving up?

[Brent Tucker]

No, we have that in training. Absolutely. We. We encounter that in training. That's why they're called unknowns. And they're. They're treated that way until we know exactly what they are. Do I get a lot of that on target? I don't really get a lot of that on target as far as when I say that a lot of that we. Everyone who's unarmed is an unknown until they're searched. Until, you know they have nothing on them. Everyone's an unknown. But it's. It's. We're not complacent and you're never going to get one up on us. So you've never snuck one by us and you never will because we're professionals. But it's very rare that an unknown ends up being someone who's hiding another intent and turns, if you will. And it's now hostile. I mean, it happens. Not saying it doesn't happen, but it's pretty rare.

[Mike Glover]

Pretty rare.

[Brent Tucker]

But often enough to always be prepared for it.

[Mike Glover]

Yeah.

[Drew Tucker]

At the same time, is HRT CQB on par with Delta? Brent says no.

[Brent Tucker]

We just talked about this. We got ahead of that one.

[Drew Tucker]

Cody, Bishop, Mike. I carry my G19, Brent's favorite, in the holster you did with Tenacore. I want something similar for my.43X. Are you going to do more holsters with long haul supply?

[Mike Glover]

The answer is yes. Yeah, that's actually in the works right now. I've been asked that a lot. And we used to do some really nice holsters. I had a holster factory in Prescott, Arizona, with some veterans making holsters. And I want to bring that back, man, it's a passion of mine.

[Brent Tucker]

I love that comment because it kind of shows the, the cross pollination because that's a, you know, that's a very specific question for someone who watches my show and knows exactly who you've, you've partnered with and things you've done. So that's awesome. I'd love to see see that.

[Mike Glover]

Yep.

[Drew Tucker]

For Brent, this is Bjorn. For Brenton. Mike, what makes a great officer or troop commander? Should soft officers be prior enlisted? If they aren't, what can they do to make up for it?

[Brent Tucker]

I've always said this. Tell me what you think about this. Instead of officers going to school for four years, I believe all of our officers should go be enlisted for four years and all officers should be Mustangs. You'd be hard pressed to get me to, to say I'm wrong on it. I'm not saying I'm, I'm right. Don't get me wrong. Like you're right.

[Mike Glover]

That's right.

[Brent Tucker]

Okay.

[Mike Glover]

You should absolutely 100.

[Brent Tucker]

You can't tell me there's. Whether it be ROTC or even West Point that just being in the the military for four years, doing it as your everyday job, 9 to 5 or 6am to 5, isn't the best OGT to see who you want to lead you.

[Mike Glover]

Yeah. The best officers I've worked with have been officers who are prior enlisted. Kent Solheim comes to mind. He lost his leg. He was shot four times in Iraq and B23 and, and spent the rest of his career leading with one leg. Jasper Jeffers, one of the best officers I worked for. An A squadron guy, but a general. Now I think about General Rudd. Rudd was I believe the A squadron commander at the time. And he, he was an officer's officer. He had the, the, the kind of, the attitude of an officer. Donahue is another one who was an officer. That was my commander. My first jump in the unit was with Donahue. We were in the clouds and we were jumping unconventional aircraft. And he's like, hey Mike, you think we should jump? And I looked the, the ramp went down and we were in clouds and I'm like, we can't see the drop zone. He's like, send it, let's go. And dude, I let my first jump in the unit. I was behind somebody and she cleared the, the tree line.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Mike Glover]

And, and you know who this is too? She's cleared the tree line. Her feet like walked over the pine trees and I landed straight in the trees on my first jump in the it. Which is awesome. But Donahue was a good officer. He was the last man to exit Afghanistan on the bird.

[Brent Tucker]

That was pretty cool.

[Mike Glover]

That was really cool.

[Brent Tucker]

What makes a good officer?

[Mike Glover]

I. I think an officer who trusts his men and allows them to do what they do best, their job. I think that's, that's, that's what makes a good officer.

[Brent Tucker]

You know what's crazy? It's that simple.

[Mike Glover]

It's that simple.

[Brent Tucker]

It's that simple.

[Mike Glover]

It's that simple.

[Drew Tucker]

Yep.

[Brent Tucker]

Yep.

[Drew Tucker]

All right. Teddy Roosevelt says, two lives in one week. Awesome. Also, I'm wearing my not even JV T shirt in honor of Mike Glover. Lots of laughs. Cheers, guys.

[Brent Tucker]

I forgot about that. I forgot the heat. You took over the JV comment. Do you remember?

[Mike Glover]

Yeah. On Rogan's podcast.

[Brent Tucker]

Oh, did you take some heat on.

[Mike Glover]

Which was taken completely out of context. That's not what I even said. What I said was, this is crazy. The analogy was that you have a SEAL Team six guy who gets out of the military like Andy Stumpf, and he goes to be a cop and he's a police officer, and he thinks he's going to be an operator, but he's not. Because although there are high speed police officers, I've worked with them, I've trained them, they're amazing officers that do amazing things.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Mike Glover]

The overwhelming majority of the job on patrol is sitting in your patrol car waiting to get the call. Right. So it's not that exciting for the most. For most of the country, you're in a major city, it's completely different. But for the most part, that's what it is. And so I said to Rogan, I've said, yeah, it's. It's not even jv, meaning it's not even a category of judging a varsity versus a junior varsity, because it's not the same league to think that. And then guys who responded to me by telling me go myself in my comments, I said my. My response to them was, so you think you're a Delta Force operator? You think you're a SEAL Team Six operator? You're not. You're a patrol officer. My undergraduate degree, My undergraduate degree is in criminal justice. What I learned in the criminal justice system and understanding what a peace officer actually is is that the job is not high speed. You're a SWAT officer. Completely different. You're an HRT guy. Get it? But a patrol officer who's a cop who beats the street, that job is very specific and has nothing to do with operations. So it's not even jv, meaning it's not varsity. It's not jv. It's not even in the same league or category. You're not operating to go kill or capture bad guys. And these guys took it very personal. And I get it. Because you hear something and it elicits emotions because you think I'm attacking your profession. I wouldn't. My, my dad was a law enforcement officer in the military. And as, as a civilian, I love law enforcement. I would never disrespect him. I said it's not even jv meaning it's not in the same category because you are not a SEAL Team 6 operator. If you get out of the military and expect that job to fulfill you. That was the point of the context.

[Brent Tucker]

I understood it completely. I agree with it completely. We're back in this thing where people, people don't understand what generalities are.

[Mike Glover]

Yes.

[Brent Tucker]

And this is the, this is the way I put it. And I don't know why people get it with sports, but when it comes to tactics, all of a sudden like lines are kind of blurred.

[Drew Tucker]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

I'll do my best off the top of my head to do this. Tier one units are like an NFL all star team. Okay. The sith is like professional football. And tier one, I'm sorry, white soft units are like D1 college athletes.

[Mike Glover]

Good analogy. Yep.

[Brent Tucker]

And SWAT teams, generally speaking are like a high school football team because there's levels to this. Most SWAT teams I train and I don't know why I have to say this. Some really good high school football teams out there. Okay. Yeah, most of them are part time SWAT teams. How offensive is it that you have a. And, and the SWAT teams themselves aren't happy about their selection process. The SWAT teams themselves aren't happy about how hard it is to get rid of a bad guy that's not meeting the standards.

[Mike Glover]

Everyone I've trained has that same priority. Even the most elite SWAT teams, Midland swat, elite SWAT team, they deal with that culturally as well.

[Brent Tucker]

So why would you think you can do part time what these guys do for a living? And they went to a two month CQB class and they live it every day. And because, because you also have to be a street cop and a SWAT guy and these guys just have nothing but time to train. Yeah, of course. And they have a lot more money. Of course they're going to be better than you.

[Mike Glover]

Yes, that's.

[Brent Tucker]

And the problem is guys take that as like a personal dig on them. It's not a personal dig on you. This is just reality. Trust me. If, if you had that time and those resources, I believe you just, you'd be just as good.

[Mike Glover]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

And they think it's a personal attack.

[Mike Glover]

They said, they said, I said they're jv. I actually said, they're not even jv.

[Brent Tucker]

It's actually worse than that.

[Mike Glover]

They're not, they're not even in the same category. Because that's, if you take, if you take the most elite SWAT team and you ask them, when's the last time you guys had an officer involved shooting LAPD or, or la. SWAT would say, we had one this week. Right. Their, their operation tempo is super high. You take that for a tier one organization or the SIF at its height. We were in engagements every night, sometimes flexing to multiple targets every single night. Where, where I, I'm looking at spreadsheets where we killed and a squadron killed like a hundred plus dudes and in four or 90 days. And you're like, okay, that's a lot different category than serving a warrant and entering the room a specific way, not expecting contact, because it doesn't happen.

[Brent Tucker]

So now let me take it to the same analogy with sports, because it's kind of how people understand it to some degrees how I understand it. How ridiculous would it be if a high school quarterback looked at the Miami University of Miami quarterback and said, oh, that's how you're telling to throw a ball. That's not how you throw a ball.

[Mike Glover]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

Or worse, because you're in a sith and I gave you guys still professional standards for, for the NFL.

[Mike Glover]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

If a high school quarterback looked at the, an NFL quarterback and said, that's not how you throw a ball. Yeah, like that'd be. In no world do we exist and sports, would anyone take that guy serious? But because there's this, I don't, I don't know what it is. There's some sort of association like, oh, I'm a lesser, I'm lesser of a man if we're not seen as equals. Yeah, that's just not true. No one said that. If you're feeling that. No one said that. But there's levels to everything.

[Mike Glover]

And, and to, to those that were offended, I will tell you something. Being a public speaker as a profession is very difficult because things get lost in nuance. And I want context for everything. But that's not how our clipped world works. And if you were offended by that and you're a law enforcement officer, please revisit it, listen to my explanation, and know that I love you. I, I, I have trained more law Enforcement officers and more SWAT teams for free and, and giving my time because it is an obligation with experience and anything that I have that potentially could save a life and I would never critically analyze that profession and disrespect somebody in, in the blue. I just would never do that. I mean, it's just not who I am.

[Brent Tucker]

That's where it gets even worse. It'd be one thing if you, if you said that and to be honest with you, you could say that the way they want, the way they perceived you as saying that and you'd be right. To me, I'd say you're still right. They don't like the way you said it. You'd be right.

[Mike Glover]

Yes.

[Brent Tucker]

This is me completely open for a second. But it's even worse. It's not even how you meant it.

[Mike Glover]

That's not how I mean at all. Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

So I'll. I'll give you an opportunity right now to, to apologize to absolutely no one. Magna.

[Drew Tucker]

Got it. All right.

[Brent Tucker]

I'm sorry. Back to the super chats.

[Drew Tucker]

All right. For both of you. Had to do it all over again. But had to do it different job in sof. What would it be and why?

[Brent Tucker]

Oh, that's a good question. I don't know if I've ever really thought about that. Although I had to do a different job in soft because I didn't do it. I didn't grow up doing it. It's one of the few jobs I didn't do and I don't think I would go. I just. And it really is nothing against them. I don't think I'd go be a SEAL knowing everything I knew. I think I'd just be a career Ranger.

[Mike Glover]

Like an old platoon sergeant and first

[Brent Tucker]

sergeant like an old tune.

[Mike Glover]

And then a bat sergeant Major. Yeah, that would be cool.

[Brent Tucker]

And then maybe, you know, my tier one time would have been an, an rd. Cuz the Ranger regiment really has a lot to offer.

[Mike Glover]

Yeah. You could do anything. REY SNIPES Ew. There's so many paths.

[Drew Tucker]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

And they're in the gwat. They were their own assault element. Getting after it.

[Mike Glover]

Yeah. Doing CQB every night.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah. I'd probably just be a, a career Ranger.

[Mike Glover]

What.

[Brent Tucker]

What say you?

[Mike Glover]

I just did a video on Mike Glover channel on this and I, I actually addressed this directly and said I would be a controller, a CCT guy. I, I went to SOTAC Special Operations Terminal Air Control School and was. And was JTAC qualified and it made me realize how much you can't part time that job, I almost failed. It was horrible. But then I had. I have a lot of respect for the controllers that I worked with throughout the years. And they always come in when you're doing something cool, like a free fall train up.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Mike Glover]

And they always disappear when you're doing something shitty, like a. Like a deep underground up. You're like, oh, we don't need controllers for the Dougs because we're underground.

[Brent Tucker]

Right. Yeah.

[Mike Glover]

Must be nice.

[Brent Tucker]

What else we got, Drew, did the

[Drew Tucker]

SEAL that said Green Berets have nothing to teach them change his view?

[Mike Glover]

That's a good question. He did. Oh, did we. I mentioned that on the.

[Brent Tucker]

I'm not tracking that.

[Mike Glover]

So I mentioned that. And we were senior E7s. And I.

[Brent Tucker]

Hold on. I vaguely remember this actually. Go.

[Mike Glover]

Yeah. And the young E5s that were all seals actually told one of my teammates, Kevin Owens, he said, and Kevin Owens was a former Irish Tier 1 operator in Ireland and their Irish Ranger wing. And he says, what could you possibly teach me? And we were senior E7s with multiple combat rotations. We were. We were in the snipes. And these guys were. Just showed up from BUDS after our first couple objectives and we were killing bad guys and getting in gunfights, and they realized like the. The difference between us and them, they were more reciprocal. And a lot of those guys became really good friends. Several of them went to. To blue.

[Brent Tucker]

Love it. Yeah.

[Mike Glover]

Good guys.

[Brent Tucker]

What could these guys teach us? For starters? Humility. We'll start with that, then we'll work over to cqb. What else you got?

[Drew Tucker]

Welcome, Mike. Who wins in a fight? Siberian tiger or Kodiak Brown bear? I'll hang up and listen song by

[Mike Glover]

Kid Rock oh, so I have a tiger on my arm because when my mom was in labor with me, she said for the 24 plus hours she was in labor with me, she had a vision that a. A tiger basically protected me. So I'm going to go with the. The tiger.

[Brent Tucker]

Nice. Okay. I like the speed. Speed over strength, you know, to some degree.

[Mike Glover]

Yeah.

[Drew Tucker]

What are your views on seals in general?

[Brent Tucker]

In general, they're great. Absolutely, bar none. In general, they're great.

[Mike Glover]

Same answer.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Mike Glover]

Good dudes.

[Drew Tucker]

Right wing nut. Rooftop Koreans on top of every educational dwelling. Can you make it happen? Mike? Welcome, bro.

[Mike Glover]

Only if we can get rid of the Uzi band. We got to get that NFA tax stamp. They all need submachine guns.

[Drew Tucker]

Brent, you mentioned Comstock is coming on, but when someone asked about Spear Operations group, you said you weren't familiar. I Think he was involved.

[Brent Tucker]

All right. And that's normally what happens. Usually the week they're coming on is when I know the most about them. I don't. He's not coming on for probably another four weeks. So.

[Mike Glover]

Is that Dale?

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I don't, I don't, I don't have time to, to deep dive everyone until, until it's, until it's my five meter target. Yeah.

[Mike Glover]

Good call.

[Drew Tucker]

Mike, can you take a bit on Ernest Shackleton and what are a few lessons you learned from reading his book?

[Mike Glover]

Yeah, his book is called South. It was written in 1917. Ernest Shackleton was a pioneer and expeditions. And one of the things that Ernest Shackleton was very good at is identifying deficiencies in men. And when he identified deficiencies, he didn't put them down. He, he did a transcontinental Antarctic trip where he was going to cross the, the entire Antarctica with his men with sled dogs when they got trapped in the ice. He got locked into it for over a year and they survived on basically an ice cap. The Norwegians already took the South Pole, so that was out the window. So for this expedition, he decided this transcontinental path was going to be the goal. It never happened. They, they left England and set sail on the day that World War I started. They even said to Churchill that they would stay and fight in the war because they were obviously capable men. But he said that this expedition was super important. That never happened. He wrote the book south basically talking about his experience trapped in the ice. The most profound lesson is he didn't put down his men. He kept them busy and he separated what he thought were the troublemakers and put them in his own tent so he could overwatch them. And he took major risk when necessary, was very deliberate about his actions. And he's the reason, the sole reason, I believe. I mean, Frank, Frank herd, his, his two IC was also involved, but I think between those two men, they're, they're the reason that 27 men came back alive and basically unscathed. A little, just little bonus history. Several of the men, upon returning from a year trapped on an iceberg after this hellacious survival event, actually fought in World War I and died on the battlefield. Oh, I actually have an autographed copy of his book by Ernest Shackleton. And I have the, the, the ship Endurance tattooed on my left forearm.

[Brent Tucker]

Dang it. Did you talk history while I was out?

[Mike Glover]

I did. It's done now.

[Drew Tucker]

Yeah, he did.

[Brent Tucker]

Now I got to watch my own show to learn about what Was said

[Drew Tucker]

on my own show podcast.

[Mike Glover]

Read the book Endurance. The book Endurance is written by an author who basically analyzed and assessed it. I. My goal is to actually dig deep into it because there's a lot of very specific details that are very interesting. And then his book is called South.

[Brent Tucker]

Okay.

[Drew Tucker]

If all troops in Afghan were US soft standard, would us have won?

[Mike Glover]

No,

[Brent Tucker]

No, it wasn't a troop problem.

[Mike Glover]

Yeah, it wasn't. It was terrain politics.

[Brent Tucker]

It was an Afghan problem.

[Drew Tucker]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

This is, this is my, this is my spin on. America did not lose the war in Afghanistan. America won every battle, 99 of those battles with ease. We won every battle we went up against the Taliban never beat us at anything. We turned it over to the Afghans and the Afghans just didn't want it. They don't want their own country's freedom as much as we wanted their country's freedom. That was the problem. The Afghans lost the Afghan war. That's right.

[Drew Tucker]

Good timber says song request Embracing emptiness by crowbar. $10 for the lawsuit.

[Brent Tucker]

24 million 900.

[Mike Glover]

990.

[Drew Tucker]

Accident nut says. What's the general consensus on Marine infantry as a fighting force?

[Brent Tucker]

That's, that's, that's an easy one. And Mike can answer for me.

[Mike Glover]

They're the. One of the most formidable foes of the enemy on the battlefield because they have standards that they don't deviate from. They always have. Now marsocks, I'm joking, being facetious. But, but young infantrymen who are on the battlefield are some of the hardest soldiers Marines that I've ever worked with. I've done joint operations with them on big pushes into valleys in Afghanistan. And their leadership, bar none, were some of the best. Their gunny sergeants were some of the best I've ever seen.

[Brent Tucker]

I'm a proud army man. It'd be tough beat to ever beat a marine infantry division if, if you needed, if you needed or battalion, brigade, any size element if you needed a horde of Americans to come get you. Be hard pressed for me to not to say send the marines. Yeah, they will crush anything in front of them.

[Mike Glover]

Yeah, they'll kill everything.

[Drew Tucker]

Ian Hightower says. I'm just here for a good time. But I have a question. What is Yalls favorite carrier full size pistol. Currently shopping for new toys.

[Brent Tucker]

Of course. All right, I'm gonna go with a Glock, but this would be one of the first times I say this out loud. Depends on your budget. It really depends on your budget if you got the money. A staccato piece is hard to beat. This is hard to beat, but staccato

[Mike Glover]

C2, if you get the money, if you don't clock 17 just for me, for my hands. I got big old hands.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah. But it's a drastic difference between a 600 gun appropriately. Appropriately modded out to a thousand and what I was given, that cicada.

[Mike Glover]

So I don't know how much I got a P11 for three grand.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah. Three grand. That's. It's a big difference.

[Mike Glover]

It shoots itself.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah. And so. So I never say Glock is better than a staccato. I'm a big fan of Glock because for the money and what I think most people should have, unless you train a lot, you're not going to outshoot that Glock. More than likely, if you train a lot and you're ready for the next step, yes, you should go get a Staccato. But for the most people, they'll. They will just jump up to that. When you. You could have just saved a lot of money and been just as dangerous. Yeah. Spitting on ammo and been a lot more dangerous. That Glock. First thing I ask people is, what's your budget? Yeah, what's your budget? What are you doing with it? Yep.

[Drew Tucker]

Dylan for 300, man. Thank you so much for the support. Pay help and pay the bills. Doing good things. Tier 1 podcast is the best, man.

[Brent Tucker]

Thank you, sir.

[Drew Tucker]

Our man Dwazi.

[Brent Tucker]

Dwazi.

[Drew Tucker]

The Pepsi unverified second ransom note says Nancy Guthrie died. Oh, no.

[Brent Tucker]

I used to do a dance. I used to do a Nancy Guthrie update. I quit. Quit doing it because there's nothing to update on. I hope we. We all knew there was at. At this point. There's no real good outcome gonna come from that.

[Mike Glover]

No, not at all.

[Brent Tucker]

But it's crazy. I still don't really understand It's. Yeah. It doesn't seem. Does it doesn't play out the way it normally should.

[Mike Glover]

Yeah. And where's her body? That's the question.

[Brent Tucker]

Right. Why'd you do it? What's the motive?

[Mike Glover]

Yeah.

[Drew Tucker]

Genesis says, Mike, has Andy given you your quant certificate?

[Mike Glover]

That's the most racist comment of the day. 4.99. That's it, man.

[Brent Tucker]

For that,

[Mike Glover]

I'm going to be with Andy. By the way, July 7th, we're doing a. A YouTube video on backcountry flying and survival with this helicopter. Hopefully it doesn't.

[Brent Tucker]

Oh, nice. Yeah.

[Mike Glover]

Hopefully it doesn't kill us.

[Brent Tucker]

You probably do know, although you don't keep up with. With my podcast. Like I said, no one has time

[Mike Glover]

to actually today listen to three of them. Awesome.

[Brent Tucker]

The. Did you see what I did to Ant on my last podcast? Did you see what I did to Andy on the live? It's. It's kind of gay, but it's also kind of infamous.

[Mike Glover]

Well, he's kind of gay too, so

[Brent Tucker]

apparently I outgat him. So with the same thing we did with you of source. He came in and did a recording.

[Mike Glover]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

And then. But I took him out to dinner between that and the live.

[Mike Glover]

Oh.

[Brent Tucker]

And when we were out, I had everyone move everything out and put a hot tub and in place and I brought him back and I was like, I thought you'd be more comfortable in the water for the live.

[Mike Glover]

Did he get in for the live?

[Brent Tucker]

Oh yeah, he got in.

[Mike Glover]

Oh yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

And me, my co host and Andy. Just three dudes in a hot tub.

[Mike Glover]

Hell yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

For two hours. Did the live.

[Mike Glover]

That sounds nice. That sounds. My legs. My back could use that right now.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah, I'm still waiting on Andy to get me back on that one. Yeah.

[Drew Tucker]

If you only had about an hour of range time, what drills would you run to get the best use of your time? If you had an entire day, what drills would you run?

[Brent Tucker]

That's. That's a broad question. And I, and I'll tell you why. Because I don't know where you're at and I don't know necessarily what, what your goals are. I can, I can assume some goals, which is speed and accuracy. But some people shoot love slow and accurate. Some people love a little bit of distance. I'll. I will tell you this. This is just a. So most people can get. As a random rule of thumb, there's. There's two things on both opposite sides of spectrums that kind of irritate me on called novice shooters. On the. On one side you have shooters that just real slow, real methodical and they just shoot the bullseye out. Yeah, buddy. It's time to speed up. Yeah, it's time to speed up. But they, but that's all they want. They just want to knock out that. And then you have the, the other guy who's going faster than he should and it kind of has that shotgun effect. And the problem with the shotgun effect, even though it's all on paper or we'll call it the body on that. The problem is we're always training. We. We don't just train this for fun. We train this in the worst case scenario. If we ever really had to use this to protect ourselves for our family or the innocent. And Once that adren adrenaline gets pumping, if you're barely hitting now, wait till it's for real. And those are now misses and we can't, we cannot have that because now you're not protecting people. Now you're possibly putting people in danger. So whatever drill you're doing, continue to push for speed. But my, my rule of thumb is this, push for speed and when you get about 70 to 80% inside the nine ring, then you're ready to move up in speed. But if that next thing because some people, and I'm sure you do this too, some people, I just tell them to shoot faster. I just force them to shoot faster. And they can, they see you could have been shooting faster this whole time. You just didn't press yourself. And other people, I do that and they fall apart. Well, if you fall apart, go back to a good 70 to 80% hit rate and just stay there until that increases the 80 or 90%. And now it's time to speed up and you have to have a shot timer to because otherwise you're going by feelings. And that's. Yeah, it feels like I was faster on that one and that stuff, that's, that's what I, that's what I would tell them. You can do almost any drill but keep it within that, that, that hit rate.

[Mike Glover]

I like that framework. That's what I would do. A base and fundamentals and marksmanship, building up the speed when appropriate, falling off and then getting back to basics.

[Brent Tucker]

Yep.

[Drew Tucker]

Luke says Benjamin Netanyahu, orbital strike the studio. No, he would never do that because he pays us $7,000 an episode.

[Brent Tucker]

Oh, I forgot to bring this up last week, but now is a good time to bring it up. I don't know if you know this, but the Jews run America and they, they own Trump and they own, they own everything in this, in this peace deal that we struck with Iran, which is really a six, 30 or 60 day ceasefire is, is what it is. You know who was upset about it and did not want it to happen?

[Mike Glover]

Israel.

[Brent Tucker]

Israel. They didn't think it was time. They just wanted to keep striking with. And I understand that from their point of view, they wanted to happen. But guess what? America did. America did what America wanted because that's who runs America, which is what America runs America. So if you guys were, were correct and a, and, and Israel runs everything, then we wouldn't be doing a ceasefire right now against their will.

[Mike Glover]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

So I don't know, it's just a little thing called facts.

[Drew Tucker]

Affirm Alpha, best, worst mos on an oda.

[Mike Glover]

His MOS is the worst. Mayan's the best.

[Brent Tucker]

All right, I.

[Mike Glover]

Good answer. Does anybody know that?

[Brent Tucker]

That's a. That's a good joke.

[Mike Glover]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

You can send it.

[Mike Glover]

Yeah, yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

I'll tell you. I. I know you're going to agree with me on this.

[Mike Glover]

I know. Yeah. I know where you're going.

[Brent Tucker]

18 Charlie is the worst MOS.

[Mike Glover]

Yeah. Building stuff.

[Brent Tucker]

The cool part about it's cool.

[Mike Glover]

Yeah. Blowing stuff up. Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

But that's not what you do.

[Mike Glover]

Your Fraggle Rock is like, most of the time you're building stuff.

[Brent Tucker]

You're either building stuff, helping with generators, hand receipts.

[Mike Glover]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

Building. You're in charge of building the pallets when you leave, when you come back, you know, inventory. Just 18 Charlie. It briefs well, but the secondary job, which is really your primary job, like, time wise, 18 Charlie, worst job on an ODA.

[Mike Glover]

I agree. That's it for sure. Best job. Bravo.

[Brent Tucker]

I think Bravo and Echoes really are kind of the best jobs. And. And I. And I would. I say best one Bravo, Without a doubt.

[Mike Glover]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

Weapons are cool. Weapons are fun. You're in charge of training the. The od. The od. The ODA Tradings Fund. Echo Radio suck. You don't really have a secondary job.

[Mike Glover]

Yeah. And so you're just hanging out with the Bravo on the range. Neil Hudspith, my como guy, was always just shooting with me.

[Brent Tucker]

Delta suck because just Medic is. It is kind of cool. But they're also the S1, and that kind of sucks, too.

[Mike Glover]

That does suck.

[Drew Tucker]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah. It's those secondary jobs that. That no one tells you about.

[Mike Glover]

Nobody talks about those.

[Drew Tucker]

Sully says SAS have shot live rounds next to each other's heads. We've talked about that here before. Australian SAS Joe Hotai says. Said they did this and it has value. You guys agree? Does Delta do this?

[Brent Tucker]

Of course we do. And of course it has value. If you were asked to move so fast on target that you will have to shoot rounds not in intentionally. It just ends up being a secondary effect of the speed. So it's not like we're ever asking anyone, hey, just go stand over there and I'm gonna shoot by your head. Do you trust me? So it's not. It's not planned out like that, but at the speed of which you do cqb, you will end up taking some very tight shots. And you have to, because that's the speed of which combat is executed at. If you can't do it in the shoot house, guess what? You're not going to make it happen in combat.

[Mike Glover]

Agreed.

[Drew Tucker]

Have you ever looked into the 2017 Las Vegas mass shooting and. Or have any opinions? Are there any other events you believe deserve more scrutiny?

[Brent Tucker]

Mike, what say you? I have an opinion on this, but I'm gonna send it to your way first.

[Mike Glover]

Yeah, I've studied the whole entire thing and I think there's a lot of holes in the circumstance. But here's what I'll say. Overall, one of the reasons there were so many casualties is because on the ground, and this is a part of preparedness and training and understanding how these events take place, many people yelled to the crowd to hunker down in place, and many people who did that died in place because he was in an elevated position, basically using a fighting position, down, and they can call it defilated. Right. And as he was doing that, he was just working the whole entire objective. If you were running and you actually got over a fence or you were moving perpendicular away from the threat, you had a higher chance of survival. Imagine you're somebody who has no training and somebody yells to you, get down. And then you get down in place, not understanding where it's coming from. I think a lot of times people think that stopping or freezing or hiding under a desk is, is advantageous in survival. And I haven't studied many, including in this book, Virginia Tech shooting, Mandala Bay, etc. Most people die when they sit, stand still. This just happened in Montreal. These officers who hid behind this planter that was made of concrete, adequate cover. But when you hide behind a planter and you're in the fetal position, you're basically sleeping. You're in a position where you can't see the enemy, you can't maneuver. And if a guy is flanking and maneuvering on you because he knows basic tactics, even natural instincts, you're going to likely die. And she was hunkered down. She had no situational awareness. An innocent man walks up behind her, not knowing better, and he gets shot and killed by the officer. So the best way to survive this circumstance, Mandel Bay or whatever, is move off the X as fast as possible and assess what's going on while you're moving away from the crisis site.

[Brent Tucker]

And we know this is snipers. What's the hardest target to hit?

[Mike Glover]

A moving target.

[Brent Tucker]

A moving target.

[Mike Glover]

Everybody thinks moving targets is something that we do. When I was in otc, we were using pits and sticks. Walking, walking along a berm. And I'm like the most elite counterterrorism in the unit is doing it this way. I mean, it's a. It's actually a efficient way to do it with the radio, right? Yeah, but. But hitting a moving target is the most difficult thing to do, and especially

[Brent Tucker]

when you add speed is one. But it's not just speed, you know, because you could be walking, but if I'm from here to you, I'm gonna hit you. Yes, but you put walking at distance, even 600 meters.

[Mike Glover]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

50. 50 I hit you. To be honest with you. 50 I hit you.

[Drew Tucker]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

100 you go jogging. 10 chance I hit you.

[Drew Tucker]

Yep.

[Brent Tucker]

You run. I'm gonna have to get lucky to hit you. And that's the reality of it.

[Drew Tucker]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

That's why. That's why when snipers talk about, you know, how important their first shot is, it's really important because I have to hit you while you don't know you're being hunted and you're standing still.

[Mike Glover]

Yep.

[Brent Tucker]

Because if I miss you and you start moving, it's tough now. Yeah, yeah. Great advice. Get moving.

[Mike Glover]

Get moving.

[Drew Tucker]

Hey, Mike, was it harder getting into GRS or Special Forces?

[Brent Tucker]

That's a good question.

[Mike Glover]

Yeah, Special Forces, a longer process. And we talk about on the podcast about the Q course and selection and SFAs and stuff. One of the things that is not known is the shooting qual in grs. And I showed up with several operators from the unit, several SIF guys, and we were basically the cream of the crop as we were assessed, as we were basically validating our resume. When I showed up, we dropped half the class because we couldn't. Those guys couldn't shoot the call. They got a second chance to come back after their retest, and they failed. But it was one of the most difficult assessments of validation and shooting for a six figure job. And it's very simple. You show up, you proof your resume, you get in the club, you don't shoot, you go home, and you lose a six figure job, it happens that quick. And it's the, the only assessment that I've been through where after it was all said and done, when I went downrange with like Sean Ryan, me and him were Yemen together. I knew that the guy sitting next to me, no matter what his background was, was a proficient shooter with a Glock 17 and could get some things done with that gun. And it gave me profound confidence in the skill set. With that being said, I mean, there's. There's a whole bunch of different situations and circumstances that makes SFAs physically harder because it's not the same one's four weeks or three weeks as a. It's called Tactical development course, and one is years. I mean, it took us years to graduate the Q course. Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

Although I obviously never did it. Not professing to be. Only. Only to say, this is. Even. Even at my level. It is. It is. It is well known that. That. That is not a gimme.

[Mike Glover]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

And you. Even at our level, you better. You better show. You better show up not Rusty, because it's no joke.

[Mike Glover]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah. Here's. Here's a question I didn't get to ask you on the podcast, although I touched it on the Between Two Guns episode. How did you. How did you end up being episode number one for Sean Ryan? And it's easier now to be like, yo, you were the first guest on Sean Ryan. I was the second guest on Dalton Fishers.

[Mike Glover]

Oh, really? Awesome.

[Brent Tucker]

Now Dalton Fisher's blown up.

[Mike Glover]

He's blown up. Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

But when I went on that podcast, I'm like, all right, I mean, I'll go on this little podcast. Yeah. I mean, no, it's not just being, you know, honest. Like, I did it out of. Because I wanted to help him.

[Mike Glover]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

And the irony is he helped me.

[Mike Glover]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

Because that. That thing's gotten blown up. Tons of views by now. Everyone knows Sean Ryan now, but when he asks you to be guest number one. What. What are you thinking?

[Mike Glover]

It's funny because I think I podcast him on my podcast before he podcasted me, and I. I had conversation.

[Brent Tucker]

I gotta dissect that for a second. Okay, I got it. Yeah.

[Mike Glover]

And I had conversation with him and. And not. I don't think I convinced him. I think I had conversations with him about he. How he would benefit from doing podcasts. And he. We. We talked about it, and we hadn't had a plan to do it, and then he said he was going to do it, and we did it. But here's one thing you should know about Sean is he's a perfectionist. And there's a reason his podcast has been successful. It's because he does every. At least initially, he did every single edit and did so almost in nauseam. Like, it was like. I'm like, bro, are you okay? He. He just. He was so critical of every single angle and lighting and everything, and it had to be perfect. And. And to be honest, I don't even remember the podcast because I don't remember what I said, but it was just two guys kind of shooting the talking about things.

[Drew Tucker]

Yeah.

[Mike Glover]

But I'm really proud of Sean. He's gotten a lot of hate, just like Everybody in the space. But Sean was one of the good ones that I worked with in the Agency. A lot of good guys that work with in GRS especially, but he was exceptionally well, and we had good history together. We were in Yemen when we tore it down and dropped the JDAM on it. And then we moved to Iraq, to Erbil together. So. Good.

[Brent Tucker]

So that was one of the podcasts that. It was longer, so I. I perused it.

[Mike Glover]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

But I watched the intro, and I watched, like, the first 20 minutes of it before. Before I started skipping ahead. And I'll tell you what. What I was impressed with. Remember when we had just talked about, you know, go back to Joe Rogan's very first podcast.

[Mike Glover]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

Trash.

[Mike Glover]

Yeah.

[Drew Tucker]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

You know, go back to the beginning of yours. We just did small changes to this thing. But I go back to my first episode. I'm like, oh, I hate that. That. That's how, you know, my podcast studio was set up.

[Mike Glover]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

I remember watching that and going, oh, my gosh. Sean Ryan's podcast was really good on episode one.

[Mike Glover]

On episode one. Yeah, he did.

[Brent Tucker]

Everyone else has that problem except Dalton Fisher, and Sean Ryan does not have that problem. Yeah. And they're both perfectionists. Sean Ryan's episode was really good on episode one.

[Mike Glover]

Yeah. It was production value. Yeah. Yeah. Perfect. He had every angle perfect.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Mike Glover]

It was awesome.

[Drew Tucker]

Brad Freeman.

[Brent Tucker]

I'm sure. I'm sorry. Now. I'm sure he's gonna go back to that and, you know, look at his questioning style or, you know, he'll pick it apart.

[Mike Glover]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

But for me looking, I was like, he was really good right off the bat.

[Mike Glover]

Yeah. Have you been on Sean's podcast?

[Brent Tucker]

No. Oh, you should be on his. We've been. We've been in talks before, but, yeah, I will probably. I kind of put a pause on. On podcasting as being a guest being a little more protective of my time.

[Mike Glover]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

But I really. When this. I also want a reason to go. I've already told my story.

[Mike Glover]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

With Dalton Fisher. I mean, I told my story. Yeah. But I think when this lawsuit is. Is over, I might. I might go around and just have something to talk.

[Mike Glover]

Do a little tour.

[Brent Tucker]

Do a little tour. I don't know if I'll do it or not, but.

[Drew Tucker]

All right. Brad says, I've noticed the power move of making guests sit in tiny chairs lower than bread. Is that how you assert dominance over your guest?

[Mike Glover]

I was on the floor when we started this.

[Brent Tucker]

Moving on. You know, that is an interrogation. As. As you know, that is an Interrogation technique. You know, that's what. When you go into a little cell with. With a cop or into secondary, they're in a taller chair than you.

[Mike Glover]

Brent's feet are hanging off the chair right now. You guys didn't see that angle?

[Drew Tucker]

Well played.

[Brent Tucker]

Must have done that subliminally.

[Drew Tucker]

So says any cool JDAM. Joint direct attack munition stories from Mr. Glover. Going to special forces readiness evaluation with 20th group in three months. Any tips for training following? Shut up and ruck at the moment.

[Brent Tucker]

Hold on, Mike. Drew, you don't know those acronyms.

[Drew Tucker]

I just said that. What the hell are you talking about?

[Brent Tucker]

I do not know those acronyms. That's what I love about you being my producer is you don't know those acronyms, and you stumble over them, and it's funny for everyone. Did you look those up or did someone in the comments section give you the answers to that?

[Drew Tucker]

No, the comments section's not that nice to me. I looked them up because I have time to Google.

[Brent Tucker]

Okay.

[Drew Tucker]

And I didn't know if it was Go to be Free or, how do you say, the sf.

[Brent Tucker]

One of the funniest things Drew's ever done in this podcast was called the Guat. Was it the Guat? Yeah, the Guat. Yeah. Gwat. It's called the Gwat, But I get it. Like, if you didn't know any better,

[Drew Tucker]

it's Never heard the G in my life until that time.

[Brent Tucker]

It should have been called the Guats. Yeah. And anyway, okay, all right, back. Back to you, Mike.

[Drew Tucker]

And then someone. Someone spells America, but it's not America without an A, and they put more Rs in it. And I was like, I don't know what they were trying to say. So now it's, yeah, Drew, we're gonna.

[Brent Tucker]

We're gonna lose part of our audience if you ever get too smart back there. You realize that as long as I

[Drew Tucker]

got Google, I'll be fine.

[Brent Tucker]

All right. All right, back to you, Mike. Sorry.

[Mike Glover]

Okay, what was the first one's? Any cool JDM stories from. So I. It's. It's kind of in line with. Somebody just commented about it on Sean Ryan's podcast. I did talk about this dog, Vinnie, and look, it's. It's odd saying this. I've repeated it, but I. I always want to emphasize this because I want people to know and understand the significance of dogs and what they do for special operations organizations and for the men that they serve with. They'll selflessly run themselves into harm's way and sacrifice their lives A dog named Vinnie bit a suicide bomber. We talk about it on the podcast a little bit but. But saved my life and the life of another guy that would have been catastrophically injured at a minimum. And when we left that target set after we did basically 105 danger close all over the objective, we did x fill with 2AMH 60s, 2 Little Birds and 2A 86s. And 1 60th doesn't like to fly during the daylight. And so we were napping the earth. And I'll never forget like standing in the field and being littered with brass from the A6s as they were decimating the objective. We killed 13 Libyan foreign fighters. It was a really hellacious kind of situation, but at the prime and peak of an experience that I thought was like the most epic time of my life. And as we exfield we drop a JDAM to clean up the entire objective. So we didn't want any, anything to go to the enemy that we still had things that we didn't bip in place. And so they decided to drop I think two 500 pound JDAMs. It was, it was amazing to see that whole thing come together and you know, land at the MSS Fernandez and look between my shoes and I had blood on my boots. Vinnie's body was behind me wrapped in a American flag. And then seeing I, I said this before but we, when we, we used to vector into MSS Fernandez 160th with land the helicopters like airplanes because they would come in with an approach and, and then touch the rear wheel and then the front wheel of the 60s.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Mike Glover]

And the little birds would touch down and I remember looking at all these kids coming out of the defact in their clean army PT uniforms looking up like holy. And I, and I thought to myself like our experiences are very different.

[Brent Tucker]

Very different. They do, they look at you like who are these gods of war?

[Mike Glover]

Yeah. And the entire task force, the unit, B squadron, I think the SAS came out because they had lost some guys that week. They all came out and were there to receive us because they saw everything that happened on ISR and that was pretty special as we saluted Vinnie's body off of the M860. It was awesome. It was epic.

[Brent Tucker]

Those are things you'll never forget.

[Mike Glover]

Never forget.

[Brent Tucker]

You'll never. People think that. And there is of course there's a hierarchy, you know, to special operations and regular military and then there's even hierarchy within special operations. After one units we have tier two units. But when someone dies, we're all Americans. Absolutely doesn't matter what unit you're from. We'll all, we'll all come out there and, and honor that, that sacrifice and it's just something really, really special about that.

[Mike Glover]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Drew Tucker]

Brent, what role, if any do you think air defense artillery will play in anti drone ops?

[Brent Tucker]

Being my first mos they like everyone else, they're, they're going to have to adapt. I believe there will probably always be a place for long range air defense, medium range and short range, even ManPad, you know, in the short range Stinger missiles. But there's going to have to be another type of air defense that can go after drones and of course they have that now, but it's one of those things where it's a, it's a knee jerk reaction to it and they're just getting these counter drone basically electronic disruptors that, that, but it's going to, we are going to need air defense that can handle swarms. We're going to need air defense units that are highly trained at that and, and it's going to need new tech, new gear and that's what's really cool about going to soft week and, and seeing those things that, that are emerging, they're heading that way and I think we'll, think we'll be, be prepared for it and I hate to gain off of, off of other people's blood and all War to some degree is bad because you know, young men are dying for a cause and they're being told to go die. But we are benefiting, we're benefiting from the Ukrainian war and to some degree it'd be a tragedy for that to happen and for us not to benefit from us because then be completely, you know, for nothing. For nothing. Yeah. And that, that war has really shown us what to be prepared for not, not to have to be reactionary like, like they are right now. So I think we'll be prepared. It's coming.

[Drew Tucker]

HK416 verse MK18 verse MCX.

[Brent Tucker]

I like them all. I actually like an MCX but I'm gonna have to go with H and K for 416 just because I've put about a million rounds through it and I'm very familiar with it but those are, those are strong choices. I don't, I have a favorite but I don't, I'm not against any of them. I'd probably, and this personal opinion, I'd probably go HK416MCX and Mark 18 Mike, what say you?

[Mike Glover]

Same order. I use the 416 in the unit and then. And when I got a GRS, we had four 16s until we swapped to LWRCS, which is a huge mistake.

[Brent Tucker]

Oh, man. I don't, I don't know if it happened in, in your time in the building, but the, the, the emotional roller coaster ride that it was for guys to give up their tried and true M4s and go over to H&K416s.

[Mike Glover]

Yep.

[Brent Tucker]

And I get it. The H&K416 is better. But it's one of those things and progress has to happen. But it's not like M4s were failing anyone.

[Mike Glover]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

And anyone was complaining. Or like, we need the next newest thing. We need something heavier and piston driven. Like no one was asking that.

[Mike Glover]

It's a lot heavier.

[Brent Tucker]

They were just. They're just given that. Be like, this is what you'll now use.

[Mike Glover]

Yep.

[Brent Tucker]

But it's, it's. It's part of progress. And a Delta Force operator had his hand in that. What's that? The 416?

[Mike Glover]

Yeah. CD, CDD was developed.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Drew Tucker]

I so appreciate both you warriors being open about your Christian faith. You inspire me to continue to be open about Jesus. Who is your favorite Old Testament hero, Drew? You two and why?

[Brent Tucker]

Just said mine. David, without a doubt. A. A man who was very fallible, did some pretty bad things. I mean, his. He got. He got one of his wives by sending her husband to war and having him murdered. And then by. At some point in the of his life, God describes him as a man after his own heart. So David's my favorite Old Testament character.

[Mike Glover]

Mine's going to be Noah. I mean, he's the one. He's the grandfather of preparedness.

[Brent Tucker]

Yes, absolutely. I see what you did.

[Drew Tucker]

The ultimate survivor

[Mike Glover]

epic story. Everybody knows it, but I mean, the way it was communicated. Nobody believed him. He. He did what God told him to do. And. And we're thankful for it. I think it was an epic story of survival.

[Brent Tucker]

You hit the head. You hit the nail on the head on that one. I don't. We read these stories like they're just stories, but as you get older, I think you have a better. Like I said earlier, you thought the Bible was boring. Read it again as an older man with a little more.

[Drew Tucker]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

Insight into life. You talk about Noah. That guy must have been absolutely mocked for years and years and years and years for what he was doing.

[Mike Glover]

Yep.

[Brent Tucker]

But he listened to God and it worked out.

[Mike Glover]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

Drew, what say you?

[Drew Tucker]

My favorite would probably be Elijah. And because of the, the, The. The showdown against the Baal worshipers. So he was a preacher who got to kill people. So that's. It's gonna be Elijah.

[Brent Tucker]

Well, if that's, if that's your favorite Old Testament person, you probably should have named a child after him, Drew.

[Drew Tucker]

Yeah, my firstborn was. All right, let's see. I so appreciate the argument. Or 27d4 says John McPhee was the individual who wanted you to burn in the fire. You called him out. Some actually argue that you were PNG Me, not him. Haha.

[Brent Tucker]

Okay, that's. I think that's, I think that's just a classic case of, of just I'm rubber your glue. That's what that kind of reminds me of. Oh, that's what you're gonna say about me. No, that was, that was that guy. No, I'm not, I'm not PNG. I wasn't, I wasn't fired from the unit or PNG from the unit. John McPhee was. Nor did I have my special forces tab react removed for doing unspeakable thing to lower enlisted women. John McPhee did. And that's just not being, that's just not inciting drama. That's, that's just the truth happened.

[Drew Tucker]

How was your talk with Chris Robinson from the last deployment project? And how are you liking About Face so far?

[Brent Tucker]

Yes. To talk to Chris Robinson who is. He's going to come on the podcast and talk about the pull out of H Kaya. See if I can get my. I believe it's July 30th, 23rd. He is going to come on.

[Drew Tucker]

Yep.

[Brent Tucker]

And that's where he is on the schedule. And I was prepping for, for this show and I had something else that took up all my drive time. I actually haven't started About Face but I have, I drive back and forth to South Florida and trust me, it, it will be probably on the very next drive there. I always listen to them at two speed sometimes depends on what it is. I hate it when I have to go down to one and a half speed because I really want to knock it out. Do you listen to, do you listen to audiobooks or are you a reader?

[Mike Glover]

I'm an audiobook guy. I mean I, I, if I like it, I'll buy the hard copy as reference.

[Brent Tucker]

Same here. Yeah, yeah.

[Mike Glover]

And stack it up. Yeah, yeah. I like audiobooks. At 1.5 is 1.5. Yeah. That's my, that's my jam. We get through it. You could burn an hour off of a four hour book for sure.

[Brent Tucker]

Yep. All right.

[Drew Tucker]

Hey, Mike, does John park still work at Fieldcraft?

[Mike Glover]

No. Phil Craft as an entity, as an actual business was dissolved. I didn't technically buy back Fieldcraft Survival. I bought the assets and that's kind of how it works in acquisition. And so they dissolved the company. They offered me the assets. I bought back all the assets and then I rebranded it Philcraft Outpost, which is the media arm of Long Haul Supply Company, which is my company.

[Brent Tucker]

Okay.

[Drew Tucker]

If you pee on the lid, dudes will quit sitting.

[Brent Tucker]

Correct. You can solve this.

[Drew Tucker]

That's a problem solver right there. Do either of you have any task force Orange ISA stories?

[Brent Tucker]

I don't, I don't. I know they do good things. I had friends that went over there that were level threes in SF and they just go into this black hole and I know they do good things. They just, or maybe they did do good things for me and I didn't even know where it came from. But not, not to my knowledge. You know, I was there for 10 years. I kind of knew how the system worked. But it doesn't mean I know everything. I know they do good things. They. I just don't know what they did for me. That's kind of a crappy thing to say. That's, that's. Do you have a different take on that?

[Mike Glover]

Yes. When I, when I, when I was ripping into Libya, I was meeting with Task Force 27.2, which the command was, was the unit. And I was sitting down with a TFO guy who used to be a lawyer and very intelligent guy and he was telling me about what they just did. And this is a long time ago, this is, this is not leaking secrets. They were doing a reconnaissance, basically checking out auxiliary routes across Africa. And they did a two man movement across the entire continent of Africa and sub Saharan Africa.

[Brent Tucker]

No, thank you.

[Mike Glover]

And they had ISR platform watching the two of them drive a Hilux on the way across it with some of their indigenous elements. And I thought to myself like, damn, like that's pretty wild that you got the permission to do that. But it's even cooler that it's American special operators doing it. And there, there are really some smart dudes. I mean, Joe Kent was in, was in tfo. He has some wild stories and yeah, well respected organization that's not really talked about a lot.

[Brent Tucker]

Here's what people don't understand about the story that you just told is they're like, okay, well we had people watching them. The only thing that ISR was going to do if something went wrong was, was tell the story of how they died.

[Mike Glover]

100%.

[Brent Tucker]

That was all I was going to do.

[Mike Glover]

They just were watching them on a pod. They didn't have a gunship.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah, right. We were not going. Those boys were hanging it out there and there is no way we were going to get to them in time if they needed us. Yeah, that's wild.

[Drew Tucker]

Lenny. Good boy, man. Thank you so much for the love. Appreciate that. Greetings Burnt Tickler. I live in Maine and I would love to have you do a deep dive on Graham Platner Leaf. Bevin Babin wrote a piece on him and Valhalla Nate is a big fan of his. Would love to get your take, maybe try to have him on. Thanks for being a real one.

[Brent Tucker]

Have you ever heard of Graham Platner? I have not. So I'm have to look into him. Okay?

[Drew Tucker]

Okay. Okay. Noobs get up in the middle of the night to piss. You keep one eye closed and turn light on. Ill training 101.

[Brent Tucker]

That's the technique. It's a technique.

[Drew Tucker]

Sonny Mabre and the Sonny.

[Brent Tucker]

What's up man?

[Drew Tucker]

Love you man. Brothers, hope Yalls Father Day went well special. This is a nice way to start the week off. I'm late again tonight, so sorry Drew. Anyways, love y' all boys. Say it back. Also, Mike move to Florida asap. N9 says Mike, you are still running a Leopold Leopold ICO red dot on your carbon carbine. Carbine, that's right.

[Mike Glover]

Yeah. I mean I, I, I have like a lot of them and it just depends. But I do have a loophole on, on one of my carbines. If I'm going to use a variable magnified optic, it's going to be kind of an SPR setup. So it's going to be, you know, a minimum of 14,5 and yeah, it's a good optic. Leopold is my, one of my favorite optics besides Schmidt and Bender, which I can't afford anymore.

[Brent Tucker]

I've said that before. My, my tastes got a little different after the government stopped paying for it. I used to be tasco, now you're Tasco. I used to be Night Force or nothing. I'm like, well, there's some other options

[Mike Glover]

out there now, like two grand a

[Brent Tucker]

pop accuracy international or nothing. I'm like, that's some options out there now.

[Drew Tucker]

LS3 says this is not a question. Stranglehold always paired well with door kicking.

[Brent Tucker]

I believe he's referring to the Ted Nugent song Stranglehold.

[Drew Tucker]

Oh.

[Brent Tucker]

And if so, yep, it's not only is it Parole Dorkin, it's a great cruising around song.

[Mike Glover]

That's right.

[Brent Tucker]

Just hit the open road. Turn that on. You're having a good time.

[Drew Tucker]

Thank you man, for the love. T. Chambers says Mike, what was your strategy for carving out your share and standing out when you're competing against deeply established brands in a saturated market and business? How do you pivot when you hit a wall?

[Brent Tucker]

I'm here for that question. Go ahead.

[Mike Glover]

Yeah, that's, that's a good question. So one, I made a mistake of over diversifying. I ran three different businesses at the same time. Media, service and, and product. And what I learned is one, don't take on investors too early. It's necessary at scale, but don't do it too early. Two, never try to scale a business that involves people. A service related business. There's a reason why there's no tactical. Businesses that really have scaled Nek and Blackwater don't count. There were already a lot of money and contracts invested in them at one in one year we trained 10,000 civilians. We were training six courses every weekend the entire year. Everything from survival first aid to tactical courses. The reality is the more people you have in that particular field, the more liability and risk you run. So pick a segment of the business. That's the 2080 rule. 20% of the business is producing 80% of the results and double down on that segment of business. And so if you look at my business at peak, media became one of the biggest segments of business. And so like what Brent's doing right now can be at his own scale, the most successful component of it. And then everything else is supplementary. So the product that you add, it's just, it's beer money right now. When I got product into Bass Pro and to Sportsman's Warehouse, we couldn't even pay for the PoS because the inventory required to keep up with the retail when they want 40% of the margins of the top is unrealistic. I had a conversation today about it this morning in a podcast. If you have a $10 product in Walmart, they want $4. Of that $10 you expect to get $4. So that product needs to cost $2. Except the product to make for your overhead is 25%. So you're already in the hole. You're a few dollars in the hole. It's not a realistic business which is why 90% of Walmart is made in China. So the, the reality is you need to find a way to diversify the product, the service with media in today's entrepreneur landscape. And then the most Important variable was being consistent. So if you have a good product, if you have a good service you have, if you have a good media position, just do that consistently. And what you'll do is you'll outrun and pace your competition. And I use the quote from Ernest Shackleton because it's my favorite one. It's through endurance we conquer. I've modified it. Through faith we conquer. I think that's the proper role of it. But if you're in the game for longer than everybody else and you're willing to be more consistent, you'll bypass everybody because they don't have the agility or the endurance you have.

[Brent Tucker]

I agree with that. Wise words. Solid answer, Mike.

[Drew Tucker]

All right, when is Nick Fuentes going to announce his candidacy for 2028? And which one of you two is going to be his running mate? No more saggy balls in the White House. 20. 2028.

[Brent Tucker]

We talked about this last week. Of course, we didn't have Nick on. On that card. I am. I'm excited about the options the Republican Party has. The Democratic Party has some options. They've just been really bad about putting their best option forward like that. It's been theirs to lose, and they just. Kamala Harris, you guys, could they. I. I believe they probably could have

[Mike Glover]

beat Trump if they put the right candidate forward.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah. And I'm not saying that their candidates are good necessarily. I'm so. I'm good for what they want to do and. But I said in this next election, Marco Rubio has really been impressive.

[Mike Glover]

Super impressive.

[Brent Tucker]

JD Vance has done nothing wrong. In fact, he's done a lot of good things as well. I don't really want to have to choose between those two. And now you add Nick and into. Into that mix. It's just. It's just a really strong, strong showing.

[Mike Glover]

Yeah. I want Nick and Josh Holly on the ticket. I like both of those guys.

[Brent Tucker]

Heck, yeah.

[Drew Tucker]

My bad. I don't know why I had Nick Fuentes in the. It's Nick fr. All right.

[Brent Tucker]

Frittis.

[Drew Tucker]

Fred is what.

[Brent Tucker]

How do you say it?

[Mike Glover]

How do you say it Is.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah, Fred is.

[Drew Tucker]

Fred is. Sorry. Big trick there. It is. All right, great.

[Brent Tucker]

Funny shorts on. On his. His coffee mug. You know, little. Little rants. Epic.

[Mike Glover]

Epic.

[Drew Tucker]

Do you run a OEM trigger in your Glock for daily use? If not, what's the CAG daddy like?

[Brent Tucker]

Never. First. First thing I trade out in the Glock is. Is its trigger. They're just. They're. They're just trash. I shouldn't say trash, but they're just so easy to swap and it's. And it's so. And it's so cheap. You know, you have a lot of options. I have a Timney trigger in mind, but almost, almost any option is gonna. Is going to be better than the stock option. So you got any, any favorites in the trigger world?

[Mike Glover]

No, I've used them all and I, I usually do a three spring kit on it and just getting rid of that slack and I, I hate the, the angle and so doing a. A complete swap is preferable. And they're tearing. Tactical's got a kit that's really good.

[Brent Tucker]

That's what I use.

[Mike Glover]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

Anything tearing tacticals.

[Mike Glover]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

Is going to be. It's going to be good.

[Mike Glover]

Absolutely. Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

Yep. Is it. That's what I did. Magnet and anything else between Timney, Terran Tactical. CMT has a good one.

[Drew Tucker]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

But I did the same thing he's talking about. And, and even if you don't know how to do it, there's a YouTube video out there that'll show you step by step how to do it. They're. They're dropping triggers. They're pretty easy. That's the Honda of the gun world. Absolutely.

[Mike Glover]

That's a good analogy. I own a Honda.

[Drew Tucker]

Did the unit pair you with tulum because you were both Asians?

[Mike Glover]

They actually did in a way. I mean, we were, we were in Sat one and I. He was in, I think SAT too, if I could, if memory served me right. But, you know, we were in G Squadron together and we were inseparable and we were really good friends and we worked together. Well, we have similar backgrounds. His background is Vietnamese. His. His father was a Green Beret that extracted his family out of the Vietnam War. And yeah, he's a, He's a great human being. And yeah, we worked well together.

[Drew Tucker]

Mike.

[Brent Tucker]

Oh, sorry. Yeah, the. We talked about on the podcast. You and him both left the unit at the same time to go help stand up the Sith. 10th group. Yeah, poor 10th group. They. They haven't seen two Asians come to 10th group at the same time. In the history of 10, they have

[Mike Glover]

not had an Asian intense group. It's the whitest group on the planet. And they're like, who the hell are these dudes?

[Brent Tucker]

And here you two come to.

[Mike Glover]

Yeah, it was a fun time. It was the best time. I mean, a year of JSOC validation where JSOC just said free budget, whatever you want to get these guys trained up. I took a free fall or I took a dive team and Converted them into a sniper record team, and he did the same. It was. It was fun.

[Drew Tucker]

Mike. I miss Kevin. I've. I don't know that's kissed or deleted a lot of people with 556 Owens. Are you guys still in contact?

[Mike Glover]

Yeah, me and. Me and Kevin are good. We just don't. I mean, I just don't keep up with a whole bunch of people in my. In my circle. He moved to North Carolina, focus on his family. Kevin Owens is one of my favorite human beings and a. One of the most professional and elite human beings I've ever met. I mean, he's a little Irishman that will whip your ass because he's a Muay Thai kickboxer and a boxer. And he also is one of the best guys I've ever seen operating downrange. I mean, he's. He's just most efficient dude ever met. Really good dude. Tier one operator. Before he even came into Special Forces in my. He was my SUT instructor and then my mentor who got me through Sodic and in the sniper world because of

[Brent Tucker]

his background, by the way. I told him I'd harass you a little bit while you're on there. Matt, the owner of Cloud Defensive, said, oh, he's. He's gonna get a hold of you.

[Mike Glover]

Hell yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

So let's kick this thing off, man. I said, I'll tell him right now.

[Mike Glover]

Yeah, man, I love Cloud Defensive, man. We actually ran their lights. We did Phil craft lights with them. Great, great dudes. Great product.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah, they're a sponsor of the show. They've been great. They've been great.

[Drew Tucker]

All right, we're getting kind of close. We're about 90. Done.

[Brent Tucker]

All right, sure.

[Drew Tucker]

Mike, did you ever become a PMO like you wanted to?

[Mike Glover]

No. No. The real quick of this was I got recruited for Ground Branch, went through the. The process was had a school training date. The sequester hit which Stop Loss me or Stop Lost stop hiring. They did hiring freeze because every budget was. Was frozen. And they basically told me after I got out of the army as an E8, after my team starting time for Ground Branch, they said, we can't hire you because is a freeze. And I said, what the hell am I supposed to do? I'm like expending my Roth ira. I'm broke, living on an air mattress in Texas and was part timing in 19th group. And they said, we'll send you to GRS selection now if you can make the date. And I made the date and then I went down range to Yemen and Realized I kind of like the job. GRS was a great job.

[Brent Tucker]

How long did you do that job for?

[Mike Glover]

Almost three years, two and a half years.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah, very cool.

[Drew Tucker]

Aim point or eotech? Christ is king.

[Brent Tucker]

I like them both. And ironically enough, really for. For no good reason. There's just certain platforms I like a name tech. Name tech. I like an aim point on. There's certain platforms I like an eotech on.

[Mike Glover]

Same.

[Brent Tucker]

It's just weird. I really can't tell you why.

[Mike Glover]

Yeah, same.

[Brent Tucker]

My 300 blackout. I love the aoint on. My HK416 I love the neotech on. Yeah, I just did.

[Mike Glover]

Yeah. One of the most reliable optics assessed by socom was the M68 or the Comp 2 made by AimPoint.

[Brent Tucker]

It was a micro, but still it was. It was an aim point. But it's one of those. You can't go wrong with either one. No, you cannot go wrong with either one. No.

[Drew Tucker]

Mike, where do you recommend people start as a prepper? What's a reasonable stash for a temporary emergency?

[Mike Glover]

I. I feel really gay saying this, but start with the book. I mean read prepared. I wrote Prepared. Not for the prepper. I wrote Prepared for a person who really wants to understand why they should prepare. And I recommend the audio Download because at 1.5 speed you can get through it really fast and get a baseline understanding. Also, a reasonable stash for a temporary emergency is just a basic bug out bag. A go bag. Get a bag that has 40 liters of capacity, load it with essentials and have it staged somewhere. Wildfire, hurricane or any disaster. That bag should be somewhere where you can access it. Even put it in your vehicle and then have first aid for sure in that bag.

[Drew Tucker]

Great to see Mike on the podcast. Keep kicking arse, Brent. Love seeing the lives.

[Brent Tucker]

Absolutely. Precision with purpose. Just so you know. I know you probably think I forgot about sending you that brb. It got in the mail this week. I did not forget about that. So you can expect it any day now. Fun fact.

[Drew Tucker]

General Donahue is officially retiring.

[Brent Tucker]

Real legend.

[Mike Glover]

Good.

[Brent Tucker]

Any idea what he ordered? Two star.

[Mike Glover]

Three star Donahue. I thought he. I just saw him in a. In a brief and I think he's three star.

[Brent Tucker]

One of the smartest guys I've ever worked for. Yeah, just a 50 pound brain and. But in a good way. Some people are so smart, they're too smart for their own good. Yeah, CD he's practically smart.

[Mike Glover]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah, he.

[Mike Glover]

He could be a professor at Harvard. I mean, just wild.

[Brent Tucker]

Who knows what that man's gonna do next.

[Mike Glover]

I know, man.

[Drew Tucker]

Flowback27. Thank you very much.

[Brent Tucker]

Thank you.

[Drew Tucker]

Mike, do you think if you didn't go the special forces route, you would have been a k. Pop star?

[Mike Glover]

According to my children, who really like that demon hunter thing. They're like, yeah, for sure. Dad should have been a k. Pop star.

[Brent Tucker]

That's Dalton. I see your. I see your super chat Chat.

[Mike Glover]

I would have been the fat one in the. In the crew. The little. The chubby. The chubby Asian one.

[Drew Tucker]

Zulu whiskey says, what's up, boys? Big fan, Mike.

[Brent Tucker]

Hey, Zach.

[Drew Tucker]

Congrats on getting Fieldcraft back. Everyone wants to know more about the CQB video with dj. Can you give more context? Was it satire?

[Brent Tucker]

Satire?

[Mike Glover]

Oh, told you. I think we. We talked about it, right?

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah. You're late, Zach.

[Mike Glover]

We.

[Brent Tucker]

We. We already talked about it.

[Mike Glover]

You'll have on the download. We talked about it in depth. It wasn't satire. The reality is, again, I. I said it in the video. I. I wasn't. I didn't make this up. I was taught it. And the first time that I saw it without seeing the practical application, I thought it was. And then I realized in my career field and the entire time I was in the military, I was never taught single man cqb. And I thought it was a good technique, and I saw it work in Sims hits. And. And so, yeah, and again, when I

[Brent Tucker]

asked that question, it goes. It goes back to grs because that's. That's more applicable to grs.

[Mike Glover]

Yeah. We're alone often, and our job is to rescue case officers and protect them.

[Drew Tucker]

This thing just refreshed on me. We still have about 20 more super chats to go through here. 34. Here we go. Hard retard says we. Mike, have you thought about collaborating you our chapstick with Brent's first responder? Something Water cans? Frcc.

[Mike Glover]

That's pretty funny.

[Brent Tucker]

I. Did you do a chapstick like double on. On Andy's? I saw that. Yeah, I saw that.

[Mike Glover]

Actually. That would be a good combo.

[Brent Tucker]

I did catch that one.

[Mike Glover]

That would be a good giveaway. We'll do a giveaway on giveaway.

[Brent Tucker]

Okay.

[Drew Tucker]

Mike, is the tier one piss bottle in your survival kit?

[Brent Tucker]

You.

[Mike Glover]

It should be. It should be.

[Drew Tucker]

Wiley Coyote, thank you once again this week for the love Brent. Drew. Mike would love to come out, eat steak, drink whiskey, smoke cigars, swap stories. Thin Lizzie Jailbreak for the outro.

[Brent Tucker]

Guess you'll get that.

[Drew Tucker]

Might as well start calling Wally Coyote the official DJ of the Tier 1 podcast.

[Mike Glover]

I know that's awesome.

[Brent Tucker]

Wally Coyote. Send us an email at. At the tier one podcast gmail.com and get down here. We'll. We'll. We'll do. We'll do steaks, we'll smoke cigars. Come sit. Sit right next to Magnet. You've. You've earned it. Come. Come down here and hang out with us, brother.

[Drew Tucker]

It'll be on us, which is actually on you.

[Mike Glover]

That's what we really mean.

[Drew Tucker]

Because of the best.

[Brent Tucker]

Yes.

[Drew Tucker]

All right, Dylan as well. Hanging there with Wiley. What do I have to do to get a range day with you guys?

[Brent Tucker]

I'm sure you just get a hold of Mike and he. He does it for a living. I don't do the range that much, but if you're part of the Patreon, we're going to do a Patreon meetup. I know that a lot of the information hasn't come out lately, but here in a little bit, we'll. We'll go nose down on that, and sometime in September, we're gonna have a range day for a Patreon meetup. So they. They really cool. What's it take to. To get you on a range these days, Mike?

[Mike Glover]

Any. I mean, hit me up.

[Brent Tucker]

Where can they hit you up at? Where they can actually probably.

[Mike Glover]

Mike. A dot clever on Instagram. Okay, just dme.

[Drew Tucker]

Mike, you mentioned a pigeon drone in another podcast. Is it true all pigeons are CIA drones, or is that conspiracy slop?

[Mike Glover]

It's so. It wasn't pigeon. It was actually a vulture. Me and two were testing drones for the unit for darpa, and I was tracking a drone and was like, this thing's a piece of shit because it doesn't fly where I want it. And the guy's like, what are you looking at? I said that? The damn drone right there. And he's like, dude, that's a bird. And it was actually the vulture. I was tracking the vulture and my drum was like 3km going over one of the ranges.

[Brent Tucker]

I'm like, oh, can't make it up.

[Mike Glover]

And I was making fun of it, and then I'm like, okay, I'm a believer.

[Brent Tucker]

It works.

[Drew Tucker]

All right. Much respect. I'm proud to be an American because of men like you.

[Brent Tucker]

Thank you, Jake.

[Mike Glover]

Thanks, man.

[Brent Tucker]

Thank you, brother.

[Drew Tucker]

Any funny shite stories? I remember my first time trying to wipe under nods in the dead of winter and the wind was so, so cold. Blowing up my crack in the snow and full kit squatting over the straddle trench.

[Brent Tucker]

It's funny the things you remember.

[Mike Glover]

Oh, I had to end A guard change in an emergency guard change. Like the first time it's ever been done in history apparently, because I had a. Like, I literally got on the phone because there's a phone out in the booth. And I said, hey, I. I can't wait six minutes. And they're like, are you serious? I'm like, bro, I'm clinching. I've been butt clinching this since I. I got up here. And they had to do emergency guard change where they just went posting orders, ran as directed, orders acknowledged, and we just swapped out and everybody's like, what happened? The guard change. Like they were waiting for. For a whole bunch of time. And that was it, man.

[Brent Tucker]

I. I got a 6 inch grasp on an 8 inch turn. Someone's got to get here.

[Mike Glover]

Prairie dogging.

[Drew Tucker]

He's got another funny one in the recording. So you guys check that out when it comes out.

[Brent Tucker]

That's right.

[Drew Tucker]

Where are the Tim Kennedy stories at? Here's Johnny come lately. What is your favorite story of his?

[Brent Tucker]

We touched on that earlier.

[Drew Tucker]

It's been a long episode.

[Brent Tucker]

A little bit earlier. Yeah, we touched. We actually touched on that already. Hard. You've come in here, retard. Now all late.

[Drew Tucker]

Thanks, Brody. Martin, man, thank you so much. Pros and Cons for SHIELD use for Law Enforcement Tactical Team. I'm having a hard time getting my agency to prioritize them. Song Vote Bombs Over Baghdad.

[Brent Tucker]

Here's the problem. I fully believe this because it costs money and it's. And it's not produced by Axon. They can't find the money for it until someone gets shot. And then. And then they'll be able to. To shit out a shield Bingo. When you could actually stop that from. From happening. And so I don't. I don't know how to make them prioritize it. But I will tell you this. And I get it, I get it, but you just can't. Like I asked him once. They said no. Well, you got to ask him again and you got to ask him in a different way. Or you have to make. You have to write up your white paper in a different way to make them understand that we're reducing risk. By doing this, assaulters can make better decisions if they're not afraid for their lives. This is better for the public. Get creative. Keep asking. That fight is worth fighting the fight.

[Mike Glover]

Good answer.

[Drew Tucker]

Mike Glover and brother Tuckers. How's it going, fellas?

[Mike Glover]

Good, man.

[Brent Tucker]

That's old Phil. That's Phil from hbtrt.

[Mike Glover]

I got a piss like a racehorse, but I'm Doing good.

[Brent Tucker]

Go get it.

[Drew Tucker]

Sure.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Mike Glover]

This one. He just let me see which one's not okay. This one we can go over this one.

[Brent Tucker]

Okay.

[Drew Tucker]

Mike, how do you know Matt Vincent? How about. Because that's right for you.

[Mike Glover]

Yeah. Matt Vincent was one of the first guys that I met that was a local army recruiter when I started Fieldcraft Survival. And I was in Prescott, Arizona, and we did a whole bunch of recruiting efforts to recruit guys into the Army. And it was a really cool experience because he was a very thoughtful and progressive. Hate the word, but progressive in the nature of. He was looking at new venues in order to recruit, and we would have events where I'd come in and talk to new guys that wanted to join the army potentially and talk them into joining the Ranger battalion. But some. Some great opportunities. And Matt Vincent's a rock star. I love him. He was platoon sergeant, got blowed up, been through a lot of combat, and. Yeah, good man. Good man.

[Drew Tucker]

This other specifically for Mike. Can Mike Glover please demonstrate the tank turret with the M4 meme in the Big 26, two of my favorite green grays.

[Brent Tucker]

Do you understand that?

[Mike Glover]

Huh?

[Brent Tucker]

Okay.

[Drew Tucker]

They want you to demonstrate the tank

[Brent Tucker]

turret with the M4 meme and the Big 26. Oh, I don't get it. I don't get it.

[Mike Glover]

There's one with Kent Solheim. I work with Kent Soulheim.

[Drew Tucker]

Okay.

[Mike Glover]

That was awesome.

[Drew Tucker]

I worked with ken Solheim in 2010 11. That man was an absolute beast in the gym and an even better leader.

[Brent Tucker]

Oh, where'd you work with Kent at?

[Mike Glover]

So Kent was. He was actually the ground force commander during Operation Red Wings. He rescued Luttrell. He was the team lead, the captain on column, Captain America on. On365, which is the dive team Charlie Company. And then he came over the SIF and was my team leader in Recky.

[Brent Tucker]

Oh, very cool.

[Mike Glover]

And then he got shot. On the 07 trip working with task force, he took four rounds to his. His leg and his back, and he lost. He wound up losing his leg, but went back into command and became a colonel. Great, great dude. Rock star.

[Brent Tucker]

Well, what was an officer doing. Doing that. Doing that close to the action? Did he get lost?

[Mike Glover]

He was. He was on containment, and there was a. An RPG gunner that popped out of an alleyway, and he. He shot him, and he closed the distance on him, and he didn't know his partner was on the other side of the alleyway and cross coverage and lit him up. And then a guy that we know named Adam, who. Who is probably Retired now or in the unit. Winded up killing that guy and then started to work on Kent and basically saved his life. He's lucky. Lucky to be alive.

[Drew Tucker]

All right.

[Brent Tucker]

You need to go you the bathroom? Should I? Yeah.

[Mike Glover]

I'm so into this. These guys are awesome.

[Drew Tucker]

Brent, it's 2001 again. Guat. Run it back with what you know. Would you still go Jeep, Green Beret or Rangers? Tier 1 is full and not taking additional members.

[Brent Tucker]

Oh no,

[Drew Tucker]

you answered that earlier.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah, I answered it earlier. I would. I will not get cornered with your line of questioning. I would go Rangers first and I would still go. And I would still go Green Berets after that. And just. And just really hope that at some point the tier one units is taking additional numbers.

[Drew Tucker]

How arms I Bo.

[Brent Tucker]

What up, Rick? Oh, Rick. He'll be here on Sunday. Okay.

[Drew Tucker]

All right. Coming to Florida, Always showing up late. See you guys next week. Back to Disney again, Mike. I still have a fieldcraft truck bag and tourniquet holders. Wish you the best. Best rebuilding.

[Brent Tucker]

Heck yeah. Love that. Again. Love to see the cross pollination again between Rick who listens to our show but has products from Mike. That's really cool.

[Drew Tucker]

Really burns my chaps when they say we lost Afghanistan, brother. There hasn't been another 911.

[Brent Tucker]

You ain't wrong. You ain't wrong.

[Drew Tucker]

Hell of a week. Bought two Cloud Defense Rain, 3.0 lights, then some tasty game.

[Brent Tucker]

Heck yeah. You're on a roll, buddy.

[Drew Tucker]

Saved a shite ton of money with the tier one code on both and finally jumped on the tier one Patreon train. Thank you, girl.

[Brent Tucker]

Dad.

[Drew Tucker]

Cheers, boys.

[Brent Tucker]

Yep. You guys have no idea how awesome the Patreon community is. Is for me and hopefully each other. I'm so grateful to have it asked

[Drew Tucker]

this question last week, but gotta ask Mike, did you have a favorite Kid up song? And why was it Barbie Girl by Aqua? Cheers Legends.

[Brent Tucker]

Favorite Kid up song.

[Mike Glover]

I was the guy who always was playing the 80s, so everything 80s. Boston, the Eagles, Motley Crue, Guns N' Roses, it was all 80s.

[Brent Tucker]

I'll take that.

[Drew Tucker]

Mike. My favorite field craft podcast was when you had Chris Vaughn Simon and Lee Busby. Man, that was good.

[Mike Glover]

Yeah, two. Two legends from the unit. Two amazing human beings. And I just talked to to Lee today. I'm doing a piece on his sailboat in Charleston, South Carolina. We're doing a little survival video because it's the ultimate bugout rig. And I love Lee, man. He's. I love Chris too. Both legends and good human beings.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah, Love it.

[Mike Glover]

Thank you.

[Drew Tucker]

I don't know if this has already been seen, but Mike, did Andy give you your quantitative certificate, which is the most important thing on your resume?

[Mike Glover]

I need one now. He needs to Annie up at this point.

[Drew Tucker]

Violence may be controversial, but I have never understood those who don't want to learn emergency medicine to help their fellow man.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah, there's. That's a really good point.

[Mike Glover]

It's a weird point. I was criticized for teaching people how to stop the bleed when I came on the military because like, why would you want to teach the people that? And I'm like, why would you not?

[Brent Tucker]

Right.

[Mike Glover]

It happens.

[Drew Tucker]

No homo.

[Brent Tucker]

No.

[Drew Tucker]

But what shoes is Mike wearing? Also, I like your video game reactions on your channel, Mike.

[Mike Glover]

Thanks, man. I. I have fun doing those and it's nice to have kind of an outlet just screwing around and talking and talking about video games and, and going through it. So it's really fun. So thank you for that. And these are the new Ultras. This is the gen 2 that have vibrant souls. And I need it because it's zero drop. I run a prosthetic in this because my left leg because it was broken is about a half inch shorter than my right. Yeah. So I have to wear it. And these, my 13 size foot, this is the only shoe that I could wear without like discomfort. And they're awesome. There's. These are the Ultra. I just picked these up. These are the Ultra. What is it the, the new model? I don't have the model on here.

[Brent Tucker]

I'm sorry.

[Mike Glover]

It's these guys.

[Brent Tucker]

So. You a gamer, Mike?

[Mike Glover]

No, I'm not a gamer at all.

[Brent Tucker]

Okay.

[Mike Glover]

I don't know.

[Brent Tucker]

The reaction.

[Mike Glover]

Soon the reaction.

[Brent Tucker]

Okay. Yeah. Have you ever, have you ever watched or do you know of a gamer called the Burnt Peanut?

[Mike Glover]

No.

[Drew Tucker]

No.

[Mike Glover]

Jeez.

[Brent Tucker]

All right. I know someone on there knows who the Burnt Peanut is. He's a. He's a gamer. Yeah, but he, he's in this Peanut AI outfit. Outfit like and.

[Mike Glover]

And doing reacts.

[Brent Tucker]

He's just. No, he's playing. Oh, he's just funny. He's just really, really funny.

[Mike Glover]

I like that stuff, man.

[Brent Tucker]

He'll have like 300,000, 500,000 in his lives.

[Mike Glover]

Damn.

[Brent Tucker]

He's just live streaming and just. And, and that. And, and on multiple platforms and no one knows who he is. Yeah, no one knows who he is. Yeah, he's pretty funny actually. Devin's brother Cam got. Got me. Get. Got me watching him. I don't watch him very often, but every now and again while we sat there and watched it one night.

[Drew Tucker]

All right, have to ask, what is the favorite field snack of all of you? The whole tier one team and Mr. Glover Magnet. You got a field snack.

[Brent Tucker]

No, it wasn't in the field.

[Drew Tucker]

You've never been in a field. It says the whole tier one team.

[Brent Tucker]

All right, I'll lead this off. It's. It's a little bit, you know, just super bland and normal trail mix. I love trail mix. It's got. It's got peanuts. I got a sweet tooth. The, you know, the raisins in it. It's got. It's really got everything you need for a little bit of long term energy in the fat and some. The short term energy and the sugar. If you're really getting after it, you'll. You'll burn those things off. Trail mix was just always a go. A go to favorite snack. If you could have Nutella, you would have that. I probably would, actually.

[Drew Tucker]

Yeah.

[Mike Glover]

It'd be delicious.

[Brent Tucker]

It'd be delicious. So good. Yeah, don't try to make that sound like it's a bad thing, Mike.

[Mike Glover]

Your field snack, I think just for the calories and the. And the flavor. Because I'm a pb, I like Nutter Butters. Yeah, Nutter Butters for like just keep it in the kit and just something that is full of sugar and fat and calories.

[Brent Tucker]

I didn't have them at the time, but because a little bit of newer thing. Uncrustables. Uncrustables that were called. They're like a PBJ snack.

[Drew Tucker]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

Pre made.

[Mike Glover]

Yes. Those are really good.

[Brent Tucker]

I'll.

[Mike Glover]

I'll get down German gummy bears too. Haribo gummy bears, Hairball anything.

[Brent Tucker]

Haribo anything.

[Mike Glover]

I love that.

[Brent Tucker]

Isn't that what Sean gave you a box?

[Mike Glover]

He did. And he started something because I was getting care packages. I have enough gummy bears to start a war and live off of mine's trail mix.

[Drew Tucker]

Exactly, exactly. Like my brothers. Imagine that right wing nut Graham Platner is an anti Semite.

[Brent Tucker]

Perfect. Okay.

[Mike Glover]

All right.

[Drew Tucker]

Guess he's warning you, Aldo. This Platner fellow said you could be masculine and a liberal as well. Or some spit like that.

[Brent Tucker]

Spit like that.

[Mike Glover]

Is this a guy they want on the podcast?

[Brent Tucker]

That's the guy. Graham Platner is what they're asking me to look into.

[Mike Glover]

Oh, interesting.

[Drew Tucker]

All right, Dalton Fisher says, Brent, the fact that it's 11:30 and you just cracked that white monster is neither shocking nor advisable. Good to see Mike on here. I've always been a fan.

[Mike Glover]

Oh, thanks, man.

[Brent Tucker]

Thanks. Dalton. Dalton, love. Love it when.

[Drew Tucker]

When.

[Brent Tucker]

When you're watching the show.

[Mike Glover]

Just makes me slide my dms. I'm supposed to be on Dalton stuff.

[Drew Tucker]

All right, which do you all prefer? A porta potty midday in the summer or a wooded area?

[Brent Tucker]

I never prefer a porta potty midday.

[Mike Glover]

Never.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah, right.

[Mike Glover]

I have. I have partaken.

[Brent Tucker]

Doesn't mean I wanted to. Yeah, yeah. Give me the wooded area all day long. Midday at a concert.

[Mike Glover]

Oh.

[Brent Tucker]

Oh, gosh. And when. And when it's almost full.

[Mike Glover]

Yeah. Have you ever pooped on a rock? You should try that. Just a solid rock. No hole necessary. Change your life.

[Brent Tucker]

I've pooped in Iraq. There's my dad. Joke.

[Drew Tucker]

All right, you guys are out at a restaurant pooping, and there is no toilet paper. What do you do?

[Mike Glover]

That happened to me today at the gym.

[Brent Tucker]

What do you do?

[Mike Glover]

I went to the gym and I'm sitting in a. And it's. It's. It's weirdly in a corner facing another that's sideways. So I'm staring at the guy who's next to me, but I could see his feet. And I look down. There's no paper, and there's paper hanging underneath the stall. So I just grab it and pull it slowly. And he's like, excuse me. I'm like. I'm just jacking some toilet paper, man. Yeah, that happened this morning. That's.

[Brent Tucker]

I've done that before in a. In a multi stall bathroom where I think about myself, though. Yeah, I've done the. I've done the bathroom stall. Hop to. To go. To go to the next one. But if there's truly no toilet paper, there must be a sacrificial sock.

[Mike Glover]

Oh, you're going to use a sock that's thick?

[Brent Tucker]

If there's no toilet paper, could you

[Mike Glover]

use, like, these thick wool socks or using.

[Brent Tucker]

Do what you got to do.

[Mike Glover]

For sure, I'll do it.

[Brent Tucker]

Oh, I'm not using my shirt.

[Mike Glover]

Yeah, I usually use it if I'm in, like, a BDU top, obviously.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Mike Glover]

I've cut the shirt.

[Brent Tucker]

There you go. Okay.

[Mike Glover]

Pull the knife out, cut the shirt, and then use that thin shirt.

[Brent Tucker]

I've used my box again.

[Mike Glover]

That's great.

[Drew Tucker]

Not if I'm wearing my favorite underwear.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah. These are things you have to know before you're in the situation.

[Mike Glover]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

You're not going to make the best decision during it.

[Drew Tucker]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

So these are good topics to cover.

[Drew Tucker]

Be prepared. It's in the book. All right. Glad Mike's back and I won it on that steak.

[Brent Tucker]

I went on that steak.

[Drew Tucker]

I went in on that steak.

[Mike Glover]

I'm sorry.

[Brent Tucker]

I want very different, very different.

[Drew Tucker]

Go to the bathroom.

[Mike Glover]

He wants Mike steak.

[Brent Tucker]

You know, we're going to have to have two. Two events here. Tube steak, the Patreon range day, and just a steak day at. At the podcast.

[Mike Glover]

Tube steak for everyone.

[Brent Tucker]

I have to have a steak day day.

[Drew Tucker]

All right. Whiskey and stogies. Miss you.

[Brent Tucker]

Love you.

[Drew Tucker]

Hate to be the guy, but it's coming out during this podcast. General Donahue is stepping down, retiring, resigning as last boots on the ground for him. Curious to hear thoughts?

[Brent Tucker]

Yep, we'd already covered that. But I won't get tired saying that CD is. Is a great man and a great leader and. And America is losing a great leader with him stepping down.

[Drew Tucker]

And the last of the super chats. Here it is. Matt's the man was my recruiter in 2014. Glad to see you back, Mike. Brent, keep the killer podcast going and keep Mike holding his piss.

[Brent Tucker]

We let him go.

[Drew Tucker]

We failed.

[Mike Glover]

Perfect way to end it.

[Drew Tucker]

Failed.

[Brent Tucker]

Failed. You know what's worse is that my phone died and I have to play an outro song. Mike, do you have your phone on you? But do you. Do you have your phone on you?

[Drew Tucker]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

Someone's got to get on that on them Bluetooths and play thin Lizzy. For 500 bucks, I'll let you do it. No, I don't want to do it. Okay, you don't want to do it because I don't even think I have that thing downloaded. Got it. I'm on. I was an echo. I can do this.

[Mike Glover]

It's all coming out.

[Brent Tucker]

Nope.

[Mike Glover]

That's a nice shirt.

[Brent Tucker]

Nailed it.

[Mike Glover]

You designed that?

[Drew Tucker]

Yeah, buddy. Like it? Frcc Shop Boys. Hot dog.

[Brent Tucker]

This is the part of the episode. Part of the episode. If there's no super chats, we just hang out in the regular chats while we play the requested song. And I cannot believe that this is not popping up or already in your phone because you've been known to steal my Bluetooth Every. Every Bluetooth speaker I have that he's ever connected to, somehow his phone connects to it over mine. You know, it's great. And then when he shows up on my phone. So now what's gonna happen? And it makes me so mad. It makes me so mad.

[Mike Glover]

I see. Gunfu Fighter said, what's up About Phil Craft tribe. What's up, Gun food. What's up, Mason? Good tune.

[Drew Tucker]

Yeah, Some music. We don't have any music. As a member of the FC Tribe for many years. What is the plan now to rebuild FC to be even better than if ever was before? Also, any collab plans with Tier one outside of this podcast?

[Mike Glover]

I like to do collaborations with a lot of people. I think it's a natural collaboration. Be cool to bring my patrons together with you guys as patrons and do like a patron event.

[Brent Tucker]

Hell yeah.

[Mike Glover]

That'd be epic. That'd be awesome.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah. Well, we're looking. You're out of Salt Lake still, Correct.

[Mike Glover]

I'm at Heber City, next to. Next to.

[Brent Tucker]

In the area.

[Mike Glover]

Park City. Yeah. In the air, about an hour up the hill.

[Brent Tucker]

You got a. You got a good range to go to?

[Mike Glover]

Yeah, yeah, I got. I got access to a whole bunch of ranges and ranches and all kinds of stuff. Man, it's beautiful there too, in the mountains.

[Brent Tucker]

We were talking about doing that Patreon event and just doing kind of basically a camp out, like, you know, arrive Friday, camp out, do a Saturday shoot. You know, camp out Saturday and then just everyone leaves Sunday. That would be no kind of thing.

[Mike Glover]

Let's talk. Let's chat about it. It'd be easy.

[Brent Tucker]

Like I said, we can just combine the Patreon and have plenty of. Plenty of. Plenty of land. How cold is it going to be in September where you're not cold at all?

[Mike Glover]

It's going to be 70 degrees and sunny.

[Brent Tucker]

You know what? As in fact, it'll be. Be a much nicer place to do it than Florida. It'll be. Yeah.

[Mike Glover]

And it'll be central, kind of centrally located somewhere.

[Brent Tucker]

We'll. We'll definitely need to talk about that. For sure. And I need to hit the easy button with that. At. At. At some point somebody just said this.

[Mike Glover]

Clint Emerson. Am I going to do content with him? I just talked to Clint last week. He's actually going to be doing content on Phil Craft Survival's YouTube channel. He'll be doing. He's a Black Squadron guy. Really good dude. Wrote eight books on survival, so he'll. He should be on this. You guys would love.

[Brent Tucker]

Oh, you know what's worse? I don't remember what song he said within the Thin Lizzie. Did you say Thin Lizzie or did he give a song?

[Mike Glover]

No, he gave a song in the first

[Brent Tucker]

with a Wiley Cody.

[Drew Tucker]

Jailbreak.

[Brent Tucker]

Jailbreak. Thank you.

[Mike Glover]

This G Squadron, the unit known as G Unit. I don't even know if it exists anymore.

[Brent Tucker]

Ish.

[Mike Glover]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

I'll tell you in the garage how that that worked out.

[Drew Tucker]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

All right, here we go. Looks like we're on a commercial because magnet won't get YouTube Premium. Just put yours in.

[Mike Glover]

Just put yours in.

[Brent Tucker]

Oh, no. What is going on? Why is it not. It is connected, but it is not playing Now I have to now have to be a bad oo in front of. In front of everyone. It says it's connected. I don't like that.

[Mike Glover]

I'll bring a big cooler full of sticks. That's awesome.

[Brent Tucker]

I don't like it. Drew, don't do nothing. You do not. Drew, do you have yours on? Is it on silent? Well, you got this case where I can't. I don't know if that's the issue. Oh, push the volume up. Yes, I'm aware of that. The volume's up, but she ain't playing. I don't like that. Turn the thing up. Just push the button on the side and make sure the speaker's on.

[Mike Glover]

There's a button that goes up and there's a button that goes down. If you push that up button, it goes. It go. Pumps the volume up.

[Drew Tucker]

My brother was an echo, guys. He knows what he's doing.

[Mike Glover]

He said he wasn't a computer echo, though. A radio echo.

[Drew Tucker]

And he also said he hated it.

[Brent Tucker]

It says it's on. It says it's on silent. There's something about the silent setting on. On your weird phone that's not letting it play.

[Mike Glover]

Shout out to New Zealand. Beautiful place. You ever been to New Zealand?

[Brent Tucker]

I've never been to New Zealand. Never been to Australia.

[Mike Glover]

Really?

[Brent Tucker]

I really did want to go to Australia. I really want to go. I should have done it while I was in the unit. I could have done something with the Aussie SAS and got a free trip out of it. Now it's like a three thousand dollar plane ticket to try to go down there.

[Drew Tucker]

There's a couple buck toward Magnix, YouTube Premium Fund.

[Brent Tucker]

Oh, Big bar. That was funny, dude, but up a little bit. Has to be a little loud for him to hear it.

[Drew Tucker]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

All right, we are back. And everyone had to watch that. I'll tasty gains. I'll bring a big cooler full of steaks for the Patreon event. Heck yeah. All right, what do we got? Hey, plug in your phone. Yeah, I was gonna. I was gonna do that at the break and I forgot to because I was in a hurry. Although I don't think this was valuable. Valuable advice about preparedness by Claire Rose. Original. Especially after I was not prepared to do that right wing nut Brent, do an episode on the Russians in Syria. Y' all smoked. Call it killing Wagner. Okay. Drunk Christian which is one of my favorite names. Screen names on this because it's such a. It's the. The dichotomy of drunk Christian is a screen name. Step one, make a fire pit. Step two, build a fire fire. Step three, grab the Book of Mormon you stole and toss it in the fire. Step four, read Galatians 110.

[Mike Glover]

Nice.

[Brent Tucker]

Or as a good friend of mine calls them, the mountain Jews.

[Mike Glover]

Ah, the mountain juice.

[Drew Tucker]

Is that Bo?

[Brent Tucker]

It would surprise you. It would surprise you who that blonde haired friend is.

[Drew Tucker]

Okay. Not a dude.

[Brent Tucker]

Oh. Back. Aaaa 9p1z. Will there be a mechanical bull in the Patreon meetup? I don't think it's ever fully healed.

[Mike Glover]

Oh.

[Brent Tucker]

I don't think it's ever. Now again, I'll do a dynamic movement and I can still feel it. Just a tip. Hinge. This happened like a year ago. I don't think it's ever fully healed. That's okay. I'm not. I'm not going on target anymore. There's no real reason for me to do anything that dynamic in my life. Another bull?

[Drew Tucker]

I don't know.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah. Billy Batty. I have entered after taking the asvab. I don't want to talk about it. Many regrets. I get it, Bay. God had a plan for you, and. And you're on a different path. So be the best in whatever you are doing right now. And I mean that. Oh. Rack shadow, aka tape. Buster, whiskey, T, fox. Mike, what's your current EDC pistol?

[Mike Glover]

A G17. That's a default, but I will say the Sig 365X macro is a good, good setup. It's just. I prefer. My hands are bigger, so a smaller pistol just is too snappy in my hands. I prefer a full size.

[Brent Tucker]

Here's a great question no one has ever asked, and it'll be tough to do, but you're gonna do it. Mike, I'm gonna need you to do it.

[Mike Glover]

Yep.

[Brent Tucker]

Rank Green Beret groups, and we'll just keep it active duty.

[Mike Glover]

Okay.

[Brent Tucker]

It's one through five. Rank them third,

[Mike Glover]

fifth, tenth, seventh, and first.

[Brent Tucker]

Okay. Oh, there's no way to do that to make anyone happy.

[Mike Glover]

I know everybody's offended on the back end.

[Drew Tucker]

Yeah.

[Mike Glover]

And first and seven could rotate and I wouldn't care, but it's for sure. Third, fifth, and tenth.

[Brent Tucker]

All right. All right. And the last half. The last half of that question. Drew, scroll down for just. Oh, no, I. I got.

[Drew Tucker]

I got it.

[Brent Tucker]

Serger, if y' all could go back, which group would y' all Want to be in. Which AOR would you want to work in? You go back to fifth.

[Mike Glover]

Just because they did the Syria mission and.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Mike Glover]

And I just talked to some guys on this veteran overlanding run with John Wayne Walding.

[Brent Tucker]

Okay. Great human being, great name.

[Mike Glover]

They. They just did this and some of the fifth group guys, they were telling me about the Syria interactions and working with you guys.

[Brent Tucker]

And we had a great time with him.

[Mike Glover]

Whoa.

[Brent Tucker]

Crazy. Mainly we worked with the jeds.

[Mike Glover]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

And the Jeds were awesome.

[Drew Tucker]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

I still keep in contact with one of them to this.

[Mike Glover]

Was he a fifth grouper or.

[Brent Tucker]

Sure was. Lifetime fifth grouper. Spent a little bit of time in a 15, but you know, was. There was a Jed worked. They were kind of jobless.

[Mike Glover]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

And Anders being. Anders was like, you guys looking for work and like, we'd love to work with you. He's like, come on, I'll. I'll find your work. And he did. Yeah. And. And it was. And it was a time of their life. We needed the help too. We ended up making great friends with those guys.

[Mike Glover]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

The Jeds are really special. Like they are. They.

[Drew Tucker]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

They recruit senior guys and they give them more training. The Jeds are just one of the best kept secrets of. Of sf.

[Mike Glover]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

Really cool. I wish. It's another unfortunate thing of sf. They're so capable, but they don't have the authority to. To do what they're capable of doing.

[Mike Glover]

Absolutely.

[Brent Tucker]

That's all we got for tonight. I think we're all the way through the super chats. It was a marathon tonight. Mike, thanks so much for hanging out with us for as long as you did.

[Mike Glover]

I love it, man.

[Brent Tucker]

That was. That was. That was unexpected. But a great time. We had a big audience and a great show, guys. Thank you so much. Thursday we have Kyle Morgan coming on. This is a. This is just. This is just gonna be a fun week of lives. We'll go around the room as we always do. Magnet from Lion Arms. What say? You gotta give a shout out to Justin Overload. Just another love.

[Mike Glover]

And bravo.

[Brent Tucker]

He sent us another Glock 45 to do. Okay.

[Mike Glover]

For a giveaway.

[Brent Tucker]

Okay. And I'm gonna collab with Rich. Where we at? Where we at for. For our giveaway gun. They. The chair one's pretty much almost done.

[Drew Tucker]

And the Glock is still getting seracoted.

[Brent Tucker]

Okay. That'll we got. We got a hatchet coming up from Brotherhood Blades getting made. We got another custom tier one. Not another, but another gun. But a custom tier one Glock that we're going to give away to our Patreon.

[Mike Glover]

Hell yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

I don't know if you saw we gave away a pan. A pair of panos. What kind of real is operational?

[Mike Glover]

Ish is.

[Brent Tucker]

I know. Yeah. Yeah. I found a pair of digital panos on Etsy for $4,000.

[Mike Glover]

Wow.

[Brent Tucker]

Digital panos. Yeah, they were actually.

[Mike Glover]

Same housing.

[Brent Tucker]

Same housing, just digital rather than. I guess we'll call it analog. Yeah, they were now because they're digital and it's a screen with IR cameras, essentially, the refresh rate, if you move your head really fast, it'll blur a little bit.

[Mike Glover]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

But for four grand and have actual panos, they didn't do real well. And really low light, it'll just kind of wash them out. But that wasn't that big of a deal either because I. I went and got a hundred dollar IR flood to put on my gun. IR flood and pointer. A cheap one from. From Amazon.

[Mike Glover]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

So I'll bring the light with me and if you bring some IR light, those things worked great. I mean, don't get me wrong, I mean, if someone would have handed me those at the unit, this is trash. Like, I had to get off my high horse. But for like a civilian to get a hold of those and like actually have panos that work with some. A little bit of IR flood in any condition.

[Mike Glover]

It's rad.

[Brent Tucker]

They're really cool. We just gave away to. To our Patreon Etsy.

[Mike Glover]

That's wild.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah. Yeah, it was crazy. Drew, what do you got?

[Drew Tucker]

All right, Sunday nights Bible study with Truth in the dark at 7pm Last week was pretty good on the deity of Christ and there was civil debate. Somebody tried to convince us that Jesus was not God and he lost. So, you guys, it might be entertaining. So Truth in the Dark also for cigars, coffee, bourbon, go to FRCC shop. Support America.

[Brent Tucker]

Love it. Thank you, Drew. And as our guest, Mike Glover. You get the last word.

[Mike Glover]

I just want to say thank you to you. You're making an impact in this space and I appreciate that. The candor. I appreciate the opportunity to talk about Tim and the situation and evolving both of our circumstances and how difficult that's been. But also allow me to clear the air on several things that I've been through. Yeah. And I'm. I'm very thankful to the audience and how kind and respectful you guys were and asking some tough questions, but that's necessary, especially in the position and role that I am as this influencer. And because of you, I've been able to build a business and give security to my family post experience and, and that means a lot to me. So I plan to do a lot more with Phil. Craft and collaboration is one of those things. And I just hope we can keep doing this. And I appreciate you guys. Thank you so much.

[Brent Tucker]

Okay, I'm gonna front load your episode and it'll go out this Monday, 6am Eastern time. So if you guys are looking for the full episode of Mike, you won't have to wait much longer. Guys, thank you so much. We'll see you in just a few days, Thursday for our Regular Scheduled Tier 1 podcast live with Kyle Morgan. Thanks, guys.